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Speaker 2 (02:00):
We're going to uh, we're going to kind of kick
things off.
We're going to format things alittle bit differently today,
guys.
We're kind of actually going tostart off by doing something
that we always share on Twitterevery week to actually start off
the mornings before the show,which is the Bar Seminar.
For those of you who are notfamiliar with the Bar Seminar,
the Bar Seminar is Sean, ag andI's essential hip-hop quotable
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for the month or for the week.
So every week, sean picks averse, ag picks a verse, I pick
a verse, and that's kind of ourbar seminar for the week.
This week, I actually pickedsomebody who we are going to be
talking about frequentlythroughout the course of this
show Old Dirty Bastard's verseon Brooklyn Zoo.
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Old Dirty Bastard's verse onBrooklyn Zoo.
Like most people in our agedemographic in bracket who are
familiar with Old Dirty Bastard,this is probably the song that
we're most synonymous with interms of his rapping style.
Would that be a fair assessmentin terms of, like the actual
rapper?
That is ODB?
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This is the song that weassociate with that, and so this
is my bar seminar, because I'llnever forget when I was in 10th
grade and Michael Hubbard and Iwere having an argument about
who the best rapper in Wu-Tangwas, and he was like, well, when
old dirty bastard raps, he'sthe best rapper.
And I was like, nah.
He was like go listen toBrooklyn Zoo.
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And every time I listen toBrooklyn Zoo I go back to when
he says that and I always say tomyself it's like well, I don't
know if he's right, but he damnsure not wrong.
Every time after I listen toBrooklyn Zoo that was my bar
seminar for the week was OldDirty Bastard with Brooklyn Zoo,
and we'll be unpacking that alittle bit further a little bit
later on in the show.
But that's what I got to get uskicked off CG yeah, man, um, I
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picked Inspector Deck, anotherWu-Tang member, off.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Uh, above the Clouds, a feature record on an album
that we'll talk to again later.
Um, uh, talk about again lateris a moment of truth.
And this record alwaysfascinated me.
It's actually my favorite djpremiere beat of all time and I
know you know he has a plethoraof beats you can pick from, but
this is my personal favorite.
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But this song always fascinatedme because, you know, the who
kept everything in house, youknow, even features.
They would never really jumpoutside of the camp, you know,
and this is what I consider tobe one of Dex's best verses of
his career, and it's not even ona Wu record, you know what I'm
saying.
So, and it was just dope tohear him on something that
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wasn't a RZA production, so itwas refreshing in its own way.
If I heard Deco on Pete Rockproduction or premiere
production, it was, you know, itwas something in its own way.
If I heard deck on Pete rockproduction or premier production
, it was, you know, it wassomething to get excited about.
Inversely, how we talked abouton the last show, biggie ramen
over RZA production on long kiss, good night.
You know what I'm saying socause they kept everything so in
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house.
So, yeah, that was my barseminar for the week.
My my, you know, butter clouds.
My favorite primo beat and deckis my favorite woo member of
all time and this is one of histop verses.
In my opinion, he killed itwithout my.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I had to double dip on my fellas.
I had to go with um once again.
It's on for jay and beans.
Um, I really, really wantedjust to give it to Beans, but
Jay went crazy on here as well.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
He wasn't as potent and as surgical as Beans.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
But Jay's moxie on his once again his own is
ridiculous.
You know what I mean.
Beans came into.
I feel like Beans came intothis song wanting to prove a
point that not only can he sparwith Jay, but he can get the
best of them if they're goingback and forth, because he took
the bulk of the song like he hadthe bulk of the bars, of course
, in his joint.
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I think it was like two to oneratio when it came to the bars.
But Jay's moxie and hisconfidence, and this again, what
?
2005, when this album came outyou know by this time he's on
like.
You know he's somewhere else atthis point.
He's somewhere else as, as alegend.
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Um solidified everything, ogall of that, and he just came in
and did his one, two step andstill has some of the best
quotables on that song.
Although beans did a phenomenaljob throughout the entire song
and I know, cook, this is one ofyour favorite albums of beans
as a whole andans went crazy onthis album, but once again, this
song really told me then.
It was like the.
To me it was like a full circlemoment for Beans, because it
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showed you how great of alyricist and as a deliverer,
that Beans really is amongst oneof the greatest bitches, james,
so I really want to dump a dipon that one All right, Pete.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
First of all, Sean, we're proud of you for giving
Jay some props.
I'm actually putting Jay in abar seminar.
We are so very proud of youtoday.
He's my top five.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
He's my top five AG.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I think that Dex's verse on Above the Clouds might
be a top five verse for him, andthat's saying a lot.
It's definitely top 10.
It might be top five.
I can only think of three Topfive.
I can only think of threeverses that I prefer over it AG,
so you might be right.
It might be my fourth, so itmight be top five.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
We might be perfectly aligned on that.
I got triumph over it, I gotguillotines over it, and then I
got protect your neck over it.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Okay, see, okay, so I might have protect your neck
right after it.
I'm going to tell you the versethat I love of his.
I love his verse on Duel of theIron Mike on Liquid Swords
that's fire.
Yeah, I love the verse on Duelof the Iron Mike that's fire.
Yeah, I love the verse on Duelof the Iron Mike, but it's
R-Duel.
Yeah, those are all great barseminars this week, fellas.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Do y'all think the Beans sorry my fault.
Do y'all think the Beans andJ-Collab is their best?
I personally do.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I think it's number one If it's just those two.
Yes, Not Adam.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
You want to know what it is.
That's one of those underratedduo songs that doesn't get
talked about enough, kind oflike a double trouble by most.
In thought on, things fallapart where it's like two guys
really just get busy, reallyjust get busy.
And one of the beautiful thingabout that that record and why
I'm bringing up the thought anduh and yassine record is because
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you can hear the guyscompetitively feeding off of
each other in a healthy way onthose records.
And so when you're sean, whenyou're talking about um, jay is
jay's moxie, it's like oh no, hehasn't wrapped with beans in
about a year or so.
You know what I'm saying.
It's been a no, he hasn'twrapped with beans in about a
year or so.
You know what I'm saying.
It's been a minute since he'sactually wrapped with beans
around this time of memory, sir.
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And so he probably did walk inthere.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Like Jay's always bringing hisgame.
He did.
Yeah, it was like hold on, itwas one of those moments where
it's kind of like.
It's one of those things whereit's last year in the playoff,
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where you know, and Edwards idolis Kevin Durant, but they're on
the court now and it's lookingat Katie like and you know
Katie's still in his prime, butat the end of his prime and
eight's at the peak of hispowers right now.
That's what the Beans' J recordis like.
It's like oh no.
J's still going to get you 30.
J's going to get you 30, butAnt's about to make him work for
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that 30, guys, you know whatI'm saying?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
That's not an easy 30 .
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Not an easy 30.
Not an easy 30.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
In the past, that's the layout for Jay In the past.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Right, that's what I'm saying.
It's like, oh no, kd going toget 30 on hand, but it's like,
oh no, they're coming on 25shots.
He usually get 30 on 18 shots,yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
But that was a perfect analogy.
But to your point earlier, Sean, about the two-to-one ratio on
the bars, that's like KD gettinghis 30 on less shots, if you
feel what I'm saying when lessis more Great point.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I think Beans may have caught him by surprise,
because, Sean, I agree with youon this too.
That is that moment where yourealize it's like oh shit, Beans
is an all-time great MC.
Yeah, he's just not like thisera great.
It's like oh no, he's all timegreat he's all time okay, it's
all time great.
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So yeah, and speaking of which,we have anniversary of what I
feel like his best album.
On march 29, 2005, he releasedthe becoming 20 year anniversary
for the album.
This is is his best project inmy opinion.
I could go on days about it.
I think anybody who follows mefollows this show knows that
Beans is one of my personalfavorites.
Hold him up high Feels like hecould have been top five all
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time if not for some personalproblems and personal troubles
and a certain CEO slash rapartist.
So, with that being said, whatare your favorite records on the
Becoming and what is yourfavorite verse on the Becoming?
Sean, kick it off.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
You want to go AG.
Oh yeah, for me you know wetalked about it's on that's my
second favorite record behindFeel it In the Air.
I think Feel it In the Air isone of the greatest cerebral
hip-hop songs of all time.
You know, I'm saying, if thatmakes sense, like beans really
locked in for that song and Ithink that's his magnum opus as
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far as like solo records, youknow, I mean his highest
performance.
Um, as far as, as far as thealbum as a whole, I do think
this is his best work.
Uh, you know, I'll give it afour and a half.
It's very close to a five.
Um, I just think when I, when Ithink about this album, I get a
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little bit upset about itbecause it came at a bad time.
I try to imagine if this album,when it came out circa 2002 or
2000, going into 2003, when theRock were still flourishing
before the breakup it was just alot of things surrounding this
album.
He didn't want it released whenit was.
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It was during the Rockefellerfallout.
He was in jail, it was just somany things that marred this
release.
It was, it was during therockefeller fallout.
He was in jail, it was just somany things that marred this
release, and it was just um, itwas just a bad look, man.
I think this.
I think in the annals ofhip-hop, this album would get
held a lot higher if it didn'tcome out during all that turmoil
that was going on with himselfas well as his uh you know um
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label mates.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
So yeah no, I agree, man.
One of my joints on here is allone shot deal, um.
And I also love purple rain,the bum b.
It's hard.
Purple and bumpy is crazy man.
Again, that's beans going intoa different pocket and that's
showing that he can rhyme along,round along anybody, anyone.
And I've always felt that, evenwith this, he also had a joint
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with Cam on here.
The last song of the album withCam on here after his own.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, running is crazy, crazy, Crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Running is almost as good as it's on.
Yes, because Cam showed up andyou think about all the features
that you have on this albumfrom Snoop Bun B, Cam Free, of
Course.
I think Petey is on there.
Petey, Moschino, Redman, Redman.
Everyone knew when you get onthis record with Beans, you got
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to bring your A-game.
No one mailed it in because youhad to come with your A game
with beans.
If you don't come right withbeans, you're going to get
destroyed with beans, and thisis 2005.
This is beans.
I don't want to say past itsprime, but to your point, AG, it
was marred in a lot of thestuff that was going on with the
Rock.
The Rock at this time was done,to be quite honest.
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A lot was going on.
So you kind of he's in themiddle of all of that.
He got Dame on one side, Jay onthe other side.
Kanye is out of here.
You know Dipset has taken offby now.
There's a lot going on andBeans was kind of left behind in
all of that stuff Because whenKanye took off, Beans kind of
took a step back Because he wasno longer Jay's sidekick at that
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point or Jay's side-by-sidewith Jay anymore.
Kanye took that spot.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
And it was a lot of pressure on this as well,
because wasn't this the firstrelease on Dame Dash Music Group
?
Wasn't this the first release?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I think it was yeah, this is post.
Yeah, this is post-everything,this is post-graduation 2005.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Right, because when they split I know that the first
thing that the ones who wentwith Jay went I know the Bleak
album and the Young Guns albumcame out under Jay, but I think
the Beans album was what cameout under Dame but, like I said,
it couldn't even be promotedright with the situation going
on with them or whatever.
So it was a lot of pressure inthat too.
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Um, being the first release onthe dame dash music group,
unless I'm mistaken, but I thinkit is the first release and in
real time, even though the splithad already like happened
happened.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
It was being pitched us like it was still ongoing.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Exactly, it was still unfolding.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Right.
The split had already happenedbehind closed doors.
It was getting presented to uslike a sprain or a fracture.
It's like, oh no, that shitbroke.
See you niggas, See you niggas.
Right, that's not how it gotkicked to us.
Sean, I want to piggyback offone one of your thoughts with
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with my a couple of mine.
First of all, I think the bestactual verse on this album is
actually means verse on one shotdeal.
I love one shot deal.
I think that's the verse onthis album that would be the bar
seminar I would pick from thisalbum.
It's hard to stun on Redman,especially when Redman's a
feature artist, but that'sactually my point about this
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album.
Beans actually got the best ofeverybody on this album and
that's how you know he hadascended to all-time great MC
status Because, well, Redman,Cam, Jay, Puba, Bun B, Skino,
Petey Well, none of them soundas good as Beans do and he
actually did an excellent jobabout putting the artist in the
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right places.
And so I think in Snoop, evenon Don't Stop, and I think one
of the more underrated momentsof this album and I agree with
your four and a half rating, AGis actually the placement of the
artist on the songs Bun B onthe Purple Rain Joint that's
perfect placement for Bun.
You know.
Puba on Bread and Butter that'sperfect placement.
Who?
Speaker 3 (16:53):
else, like nobody was even reaching out to Puba
around that time.
Like he's one of the mostpopular, oh no.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
He pulled that one out Like Puba on Bread and
Butter is like the rabbit in thehat on the album where it's
like ooh, I wasn't expecting toget that.
The aha moment.
Yeah, that was like oh nice,pull, nice play.
This is booked in.
This album is booked in.
I know the album ends with theJay feature and with the Cam
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feature, but for me the album isbooked in by his two best
records.
In my opinion and that'sFeeling in the Air.
And Look at Me Now these arethe type of records that I feel
like only a prime Scarface couldachieve, and I think he might
even be more lyrically inclinedat his peak than a prime
Scarface.
Just lyrically speaking, Iagree.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
With the wordplay, with the wordplay With the
wordplay and the verbiage.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And so look at me now and feel it in the air are his
one and two records.
For me they're both on thisalbum and he's just special
special on those records becausehe's the MC's MC on there.
But he's also thoughtful.
He's also insightful.
He's also insightful.
He's also pulling at some ofyour heart strings.
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He's also giving you game.
Read their body language 85%.
Communication non-verbal 10%.
You know their story.
Man, love the five-time show.
You just know you pull theirstrings.
You're the puppet master.
Fuck them.
Other bastards.
Now watch who you puffin' after.
That's woo.
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As far as some rap shit go, itdoesn't get much better than
Feel it In the Air, in myopinion.
I can remember when this albumcame out.
This record was one of thefirst records to drop.
It dropped like January of thatyear.
It was the first record that Iheard that year.
I was like that record's aclassic, like instantly.
And so first record that Iheard that year, I was like that
record's a classic, instantly,wonderful piece of work.
I could go on and on about whathis career could have been and
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should have been.
I still think he's a Hall ofFame MC.
And speaking of the Hall ofFame.
In this week's news we haveCarmelo Anthony, six-time
All-NBA, multiple All-Tarselection, three-time gold
medalist, ncaa champion andtournament most valuable player,
rightfully and dutifully soelected to the Hall of Fame.
I think he's still on the top10 scoring list, even though KD
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just recently passed him andbumped him down from ninth to
10th.
So what do you all think aboutMelo getting into the Hall of
Fame?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I'm happy for him.
Man, Pure bucket Can score atevery layer, every level on the
basketball court.
I've always wished that Melogot to push the NBA game to
LeBron Maybe not the same pushbecause LeBron is LeBron, but
just something to help him getthat.
Push, man, Because that rookieyear he should have got rookie
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of the year or at leastco-rookie of the year, like they
did Grant Hill and Jason Kiddback in the day.
Even when I look at his son, youknow, kyan Anthony.
They put a report out todaythat he was not selected for the
McDonald's All-American right,but they gave it to Bronny.
That's neither here nor there,but it just it feels that Melo,
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the NBA never got behind Meloand I feel like in his first
year in Denver and his secondand third year in Denver he made
Denver a legit contender assoon as he stepped foot on that
court and Denver wasn't reallynothing before he got there.
They were, like, you know, justtrying to figure out, find the
pieces, and that's why they hadthat number three pick, of
course, but for me, melo, Ithink because he went and got
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the bag as he should.
He didn't do the super teamthing.
I mean, he was supposed to be,you know, there before Chris
Bosh.
It may have hurt his legacyoverall, but I do wish that he
would have gotten a championship, but he did it his way.
I don't think he regret it.
He did it his way.
Love Melo man.
So happy for him to get theHall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
AG, you mind if I go and you can finish this up with
the Melo talk.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Go ahead Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
So this is from somebody who was raised in
Atlanta and was my favoriteplayer growing up.
He's this generation'sDominique Wilkins, in my opinion
, and listen to what I'm aboutto say.
Oh, if you ask the people whoplayed with him and played
against him, oh, they have himat the highest of the highs.
Like go ask Larry Bird andMichael Jordan what they think
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of Dominique Wilkins.
They'll talk to you end on endwith praise.
You know, those are two top 10players.
In one case, the goat, you know.
The other guy's the only personto win the MVP three times in a
row.
So to me he's one of thosepeople and we just kind of
bought this guy up to heat.
In a lot of ways he's very muchthat guy.
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In rap terms, he would beScarface, you know it's like oh
no guy.
In rap terms he would bescarface.
You know, it's like oh no, hemight not be on your number one
list, but your number one rapper.
Love that dude and how he getsbuckets.
I think when it comes to nbabasketball, we have to kind of
separate.
Basketball is sourced out tohype more than any other sport.
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Sport is sourced out for onething, you know.
So I think, centers andconversations involving centers
and all other players should beseparated.
And so if you take the centersout of it, so you're taking Will
Kareem, russell, Yoke, mb, theteam shack, you taking those
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guys out.
As far as scores of thebasketball are concerned, oh no,
he belongs in the category withKobe and Jordan and Durant and
Iverson and Bernard King andGeorge Girvin and like that
select of just when they got therock in their hands, it's like
pretty much Bucket Bucket.
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You know what I'm saying.
He is one of those guys and soif you were talking about one of
the 10 best pure scorers of alltime non-center he would be on
that list, and so he's a prettyspecial player.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
He is.
Yeah, absolutely, klub, youcooked that Me.
Personally, I would liken Mellomore to a Jadakiss.
You know I hold both very highand feel like they don't get the
credit that they deserve.
Mello is my second favoriteplayer of all time that I've
ever watched.
Now I know, before the chatstarts going crazy, that he's
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not the second greatest playerof all time, but as far as my
personal favorites, since I'vebeen watching basketball when I
was a real small kid Melo's mysecond favorite, behind none
other than Michael Jordan, and Ithink that you know what Melo
brought to the table.
You know, say what you wantabout his defense, but on the
offensive side of the basketball, I personally don't think it's
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anybody to do it better becauseit's nothing that he couldn't do
.
You know he was prettyefficient as a three-point
shooter free throw For his size.
His first step's crazy.
Like you said, he can score ina phone booth.
He can shake you out of yourboots without even taking a
dribble.
You know what I'm saying Get tothe basket, dunk on you.
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That second jump on a putbackwas crazy fast, like he doesn't
present as athletic as he youknow really is and he would give
people fits Like like Coop said.
You asked like the PaulPierce's of the world, kobe's
Paul George, a top tier defender.
He was a nightmare to to defendand I only slightly put them
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over your boy Durant, coop,because you know Durant's a
little bit better efficient of athree-point shooter or free
throw but Melo in his postgame,and his power and what he's able
to do on the block and go upagainst forwards and bully them
on the block, that's the one keyelement that I think he
slightly edges Durant on, youknow but he's one of the best AG
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.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I was actually thinking to myself Durant and
Melo are the best all-timescorers at all the levels, as in
at the free throw line, at themid-range, at the three-point
line.
I would argue back with youthat although Melo is the better
post player obviously due tosize and girth uh, because
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they're fundamentally comparablekb is the better three-point
shooter.
He is the better free throwshooter, he is the best.
This sounds crazy to say this.
Even with mellow.
Now kb's the better mid-rangeshooter, because kb might be the
best mid-range shooter ever,guys right, you know him or mj,
but I'm not.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I'm not gonna squabble if you got mellow or
duran is the best pure scoreoverall he's got a better field
goal percentage all the timehe's more.
He's more efficient, for sure,but I just love watching mellow
mj took way more shots, but yeahyeah, I just, I just like
watching mellow with his firststep in his jab step series and
all that stuff, like he couldjust like guard him.
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You want an island bro, like.
But one thing about it it'slike well deserved him getting
into the hall of fame.
People want to talk about, youknow, him not having a
championship or whatever, butall his other accolades is there
.
You know, as a freshman leadingSyracuse to a title, been a fan
ever since then he got, youknow, all Olympic gold medals.
I hate to be the woulda, coulda,shoulda guy, but to Sean's
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point, I do think it was aconcerted effort to make Melo
the antithesis of LeBron,because I think if you got the
second pick in Detroit with JoeDumars, I wonder if the league
called him and said, yo, you gotto take Darko Milichev, because
I don't think that's a call youmake in sound judgment.
If Melo's on the board and ifMelo goes to that Detroit team
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you know, constructed as theywere, he probably has at least
two rings and him and LeBron arebattling in the East also with
Wade.
But I personally think thatthey wanted Melo out west to
clear a path for LeBron becausenobody saw d way coming, like
you know, uh, the player hebecame, but real quick.
You know we forget about thestops.
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I think it was the um stopsnitching dvd and then mellow
was on.
There was a lot of turmoil, likeI think you know, and god, god
rest his soul.
Rest peace to david.
Sir, I didn't.
I think that david stern didn'twant a repeat of like what he
had with iverson, so he tookcertain steps to kind of, you
know, stifle mellow, if you will, and that continued through his
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whole career.
Like I'm a bulls fanatic, youknow, and I held phil jackson as
the greatest coach there everwas, but when, when he was an
executive for New York, how hedid Mello during that tenure,
spreading the narratives abouthim and all that stuff that made
me look at Phil in a differentlight.
And I didn't really rock withPhil that much after that, you
know, because Mello didn'tdeserve that.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
That's a super chat, fellas.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, let's get out my head, sean.
Let's knock out some of thesesuper chats before we get lost.
Go ahead, pull them up, run it,run it, run it, raising head,
rank the verses on guess who'sback?
I'll take that.
I'll take that.
I actually think Scarface is mynumber one on there and then.
(28:04):
Jay man, come on, man, don't dothat.
From the womb to the tomb, ahot pot of jar and a spoon,
trying to make me 40,000 andmove.
No, no, it's face he was spent.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
But I give you this though Jay's ability to out swag
everybody like he.
All he had to do was competelyrically.
He would just out swageverybody on the song finesse is
way through it worked moreoften than it did.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I'm going face Jay Beans, but if you want to go,
jay, that's fine.
I'm not going to argue with you.
Super chat.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I go Beans Jay.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
No, beans facing Jay oh, so we all three got a
different number that shows youhow dope the song is.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah.
It's a great record, yeah,artist, formerly known as Kanye
West, the Raisin Head Mellow orT-Mac, and did he underachieve
Mellow for me?
I mean actually for me.
I will tell you like I wasalways a big McGrady fan and for
me McGrady was only the onlyperson when Kobe was active that
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actually could bust Kobe assand guard Kobe at the same time.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
He was an animal man.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And I think there's something to be said for that.
I think Melo, objectively, isthe greater all-time player, but
I'm taking T-Mac.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Yeah, t-mac had a lot of length pause, but I don't
think it's fair to compare himbecause of injuries.
I like the Dominique Wilkinscomparison you said earlier,
coop, but the injuries thatT-Mac had I don't think that's a
fair comparison for him becauseMelo was, he had a lot of minor
injuries but he was relativelyhealthy most of his career.
But let me ask you this realquick before we move on.
(29:47):
I saw on ESPN today.
They were talking about thebest players to never get a ring
and they were asking if Melowould make that top 20, which is
an absurd question.
But you know, I personallythink Melo would be in the top
five NBA players of all time tonever get a ring.
I have three or four peopleabove him.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I won't put him in the top five.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
You don't think he tracks that top five.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
No, elgin Bailey, yeah, I got him both above Elgin
.
You have him over Elgin Bailey,I do.
I got Barkley Malone StocktonEone.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Stockton Ewan.
Stockton John.
Stockton Ewan.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
You don't think Carmelo Anthony is better than
John Stockton all the time?
Speaker 3 (30:38):
He had Carl Malone, though.
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I've been explaining this to everybody my entire life
.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
John.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Stockton didn't have Karl Malone.
Karl Malone had John Stockton.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
He benefited off of Stockton, but they had each
other, so that should count forsomething.
Melo's personnel that he's hadon his team doesn't compare to
any of the other guys.
Man, no, I'm sorry, I thinkBarkley got the top of the list
though.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
John Stockton's chest pass, bounce pass and
basketball IQ is a point guard.
Derek Coleman would have gotthose buckets.
Sean Kemp would have got thosebuckets.
Barkley would have led theleague.
Malone had that working jumperthat those other guys didn't
have.
If Barkley would have hadStockton, barkley would have led
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the league in scoring.
Jordan wouldn't have all thosescoring titles.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
True, I think Melo's somewhere in the range of AI and
Reggie Miller somewhere in thatballpark.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I'll put AI over him and Reggie Miller over him,
though Me too AI didn't haveanything.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
AI had a higher ceiling.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
He had a higher ceiling, but he wasn't as great
for long as Melo was.
Ai got more in the league at6'1".
Yeah, he did Hold on.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
He's got more scoring titles, finals appearances and
MVPs than Melo.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yes, he's got all of them.
The MVP does count for that.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, does count for that.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
He's got to carry Snow to the championship.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, that team that's the biggest back pack
ever.
Eric Snow wasn't the issue, butI hear what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Okay, we got any more super chats.
One more CJ.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
CJ the Kid.
What up, I'm here, ogs.
Bless you guys, as always,bless CJ.
I'm excited for a possiblemoment of Truth Album Talk today
with the primo subject.
So are we?
We got you, we're almost there,but right now, summer Jam
lineup Fellas, go, don't do that.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
A.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Boogie Gunna, glow Rilla.
Know how I feel about glow mygirl money long Cash Dog.
Cash Cobain, jim Jones.
Ja Rule and Friends withAshanti.
Did they really pitch it likeJa Rule and Friends?
Ja Rule and Friends, it's anearth tribute.
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Ja Rule and Friends.
Ja Rule and Friends, it's anEarth tribute.
It's an Earth tribute though.
Ja Rule and Friends though.
Yeah, I mean Fuck.
Is it Sesame Street Summer Jam?
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Ja Rule and Friends Okay, all of them had a black
child ever drop the album, sothat's how they got to market it
.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
You know what?
Every time, every time, I'm noteven going to go there, I'm
looking forward to the Irv.
I'm looking forward to the Irvtribute.
I hope Ashanti shows up.
It's going to be hard to do alot of those hits without
Ashanti.
Yes, what are your thoughtsabout the lineup though?
Guys?
All jokes aside, how the helldid Jim Jones get on this lineup
(33:44):
?
What is Jim?
Jim Jones get on this lineup?
Jim Jones be politicking boy.
He be politicking, he bepoliticking.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
This is crazy.
This is.
I have no true thoughts.
I'm beyond.
I have no true thoughts.
I think Glorilla's going to doher thing, because I agree with
you.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Thank you.
Have you finally come over tomy way of seeing things?
Are you rocking with Glo?
Finally?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Not yet, but I can acknowledge that she got some
motion.
I think she should be theheadliner, to be quite honest.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
To be honest with you , when I was looking at it I was
like so who's headlining?
Gunna or Glo?
Are they giving it to A Boogie?
Because A Boogie from Uptownand A Boogie from Uptown.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
But if you headline like her set going to be mad
short bro, let's call it what itis.
Like, can you?
Be, a headliner with a set thatshort.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I don't Hold on.
How long were you expecting herset to be?
And Hold on.
How long were you expecting herset to be?
And how long do you think theset would actually be?
Because I think Glo can giveyou a 20-25 minute set at this
point.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I think she can give you that.
I would say a headliner need todo a minimum of 30.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I think she's there, fam.
I think she's about there.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I think so.
She got enough features outthere right now that can get her
through.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, I'm about to tell you the feature songs she
done made about three or fourbig records.
Now AG, that's about 12, 15minutes plus the features and
you know they're going to bedoing some talking and crowd
interaction and some dancing andsome yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Well, you got to take into consideration the feature
verses.
Ain't a whole record.
You know what I'm saying.
You go through a feature versein 60 seconds.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
You can stream them out.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I mean, like, think about it like this.
Like think about it like this,oh no, when Jay did the takeover
thing and he did the takeover,oh no, that took about 10
minutes.
Like you can stretch it out.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Right, he's a showman .
He's a showman, though I meany'all gonna stop hating on Glo.
No, no, she can perform, Idon't know how.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I'll end up defending Glo on this show.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
I just don't know if she a headliner though, but what
I'm?
More interested in is theresponse to the older acts like
Ja Rule and Jim Jones, becauseremember, it wasn't last year
the debacle where Redman andMethod man said he was never
going to.
Method man said he was nevergoing to come back because of
the reception they got.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Well, I think I mean AG to answer your question.
I think Hot 9-7 took notice ofit and that's why I'm asking how
Jim Jones made the list,because I understand Hot 9-7
being smart enough andintelligent in New York City to
want to pay homage to Irv, andso I know why Ja Rule is being
invited.
But based on what happened lastyear, based on all of the
lineup outside of Ja Rule andfriends, I don't see where Jim
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Jones fits into this algorithm.
Am I wrong about that?
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I think it's an ongoing relationship but the
Dips, like, they performed at alot of different summer jams, so
they got that rapport, you know, and he has a new project out.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I was always one of those guys that's like it's not
dipshit to me if Cam's not there.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
That's fair enough.
Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Like Cam's, my buy-in .
Speaker 3 (36:56):
If you let Jim tell it, he's the only one that's
been keeping the flag waving allthis time.
You let him tell it.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Look here Even a country that has suffered, a
country that has suffered ahostile takeover from a dictator
, still waves his flag.
What are we talking about?
Yeah, jim Goonies, yeah okay heshould also be the headliner
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too.
That's another thing.
He'll take goons.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Okay, he should also be the headliner too.
That's another thing he'll take.
He got more heads than anybody.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I've had enough summer jam talk.
We might have to table thisconversation.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Let's move on from that we might have to table this
conversation next year.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
So VOD Magazine actually did something
productive for a change.
They did the top 30 femaleguests versus yeah, ain't nobody
safe this year, everybodygetting aired out like.
On something productive for achange, they did the top 30
female guests versus Ain'tnobody safe this year, everybody
getting aired out on siteYou're not about to do fuck shit
.
No, you're not about to keep ondoing fuck shit.
I don't care if you're big, Idon't care if you're small, I
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don't care if you buy a magazine, I don't care if you're an
independent contributor, I don'tcare what space you operate on.
They be doing sucka shit.
But this list I actuallythought was a pretty dope list.
I thought some of theplacements were misplaced, I
thought they missed some things,but as a whole I found this
list to be good.
Do you mind if I highlight somemoments for you and gather your
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thoughts on them?
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Sure, I'm in agreement with you, coop.
This is one of the better listsI've seen in a long time.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
It's one of the best as far as lists go.
Some of our bigger rep punditcommentators whatever the fuck
they are need to take notice.
This is what a real list lookslike.
This list is actually reallygood, really quality.
What do you think about LaurynHill's verse on nobody cracking
this list At 25.
(38:46):
I actually think that you couldargue that it could be a little
bit higher, because it'sactually, lyrically speaking,
one of the better verses on here.
Too recent Might be too recent.
It is a classic record, though.
So Da Brat on Socket to me.
(39:06):
I like that.
The Brat made this list a lottoo, and she deserved to make
this list.
Yeah yeah, left Eye on you.
Know what's Up.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Left Eye don't get enough credit as a rapper.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
I thought maybe Left Eye might have made this for the
Ladies Night remix was one ofmy thoughts left.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
I might have made this for the uh, ladies night
remix was one of my thoughtsthat that's a caveat because
it's for features, and that waslike um, I don't think that was
one in one person's inparticular record.
I think that was a cumulativelike effort thing, like it's not
like missy's record or thebrats record or whatever.
So I, I don't think they, Ithink they didn't count that in
general.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, what if I told you that Foxy Brown made this
list more than any other artist,and I think they still might've
missed the verse, and sheshould have.
I thought Kim, I thought Kimwas on here the most no Foxy's
on here for bang bang, which Iwant to talk about at 22.
(40:06):
Yeah, foxy's back on here forthe I Shot you remix at 16.
And Foxy's on here at numbereight for Affirmative Action.
And Foxy's on here at numberthree for Ain't no Nigga.
That's four.
Yep, you're right, because Kimgot three, but I thought she
could have made Touch Me TeaseMe.
I thought Touch Me Tease Mecould have been in here.
(40:27):
Touch Me Tease Me should havebeen in here.
Am I wrong?
Am I wrong?
Touch Me, Tease Me, should havebeen on here, right?
That's a big fact.
So my hot take when I read thislist Foxy is actually the best
female guest appearance artistof all time.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yeah, you could take off 30, 29, 28, or one of them
joints and put Foxy in there.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Now here was my next thought.
Foxy's the best, but Kimoperates at the highest clip
still, because when Kim hits themark man, kim hits the mark,
it's a show stealer.
This is what I mean about Kim.
First of all, I think havingthe Quiet Storm remix at nine
might be too low.
Guys, right, I think Bang Bangand Quiet Storm remix where they
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are obviously taking shots ateach other I think both of those
are too low.
I think Quiet Storm remix mightbe top five too.
Yeah, yeah, I love that.
They put I Can Love you atnumber four.
That's my personal favorite Kimfeature verse.
I was about to say that's myfavorite Kim verse on the low.
That's the one I mean.
(41:33):
There's a Honda with Tanishaand Ron.
She went off.
She went off.
She, more than at any othermoment in her career, is the
female version of Big on the ICan love you verse.
Like that's a big level verse.
It's big and so I love that.
I think Nikki at monster at twois still.
(41:55):
It's still a little bit high.
But when I looked at this wristoverall, I realized that the
people that made this list areour age and younger.
Nobody older than us made thislist and they're probably and
when I mean they're probablyyounger than us, I don't mean
much younger, but probably like35, 36, 37.
Because most of the stuff onhere, when you look at it, think
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about the stuff that theymissed.
Queen Latifah on the I Wanna BeDown remix.
Mc Lyte on Self Destruction.
Yo-yo on it's A Man's world.
The brat on don't hate on me.
Off Jermaine Dupri's 1472.
That was a sleeper pick for me.
Bahama D on push up yourlighter off the roots.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
So, yeah, I think they got it right for the most
part, though I don't agree.
I mean, I don't disagree withnumber one, kim on Benjamin's,
because I because, if it wasn'tfor the beat switch on Big's
verse, I might say Kim has thebest verse of the whole song.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I can see that.
I can see that I'm glad they'reshowing Foxy love.
Though, to be quite honest,she's my favorite.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
She's my favorite female emcee of all time.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
As we get further away from, you know, the 90s era
of hip hop, we forget how greatFoxy was, man, her performance
Foxy was blazing every track shewas jumping on man.
Foxy was dangerous as a featureemcee, you know.
I mean, like I said, you thinkabout you know the joint she had
with Jay Ain't no nigga.
(43:23):
I mean she stole the showregardless of who wrote it.
She stole the show.
She's like 16.
I mean I shot your remix.
She stole the show.
You know affirmative action shestole the show.
You got Nas and AZ onaffirmative and she stole the
show.
When I look at it like that,like who was saying before, when
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you think about Kim and whatshe's been doing she stole the
show in the time she hopped onit All about the Benjamins when
that beat flipped and Kim is onthat, steal the show.
I'm not mad.
They did.
Even Mia X got to give love toMia X.
(44:04):
Got to give love to Mia X.
Okay, so now I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
He's had two placements as well.
Man forget he.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Oh, whoa, oh my God, sean, I'm bad, I'm bad.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
No, but this is what I will say I really had to think
Of what went into play Duringthe list, because the one thing
that raised the eyebrow For me Iwas like Yo, where is Lean Back
With Remy on here?
But that's not a Fat Joe record, that's a Terror Squad record
and she's part of Terror Squad,so it's not considered a feature
.
You gotta really you know whatI'm, so it's not considered a
feature.
You got to really think aboutthe technicalities when they
(44:40):
make these lists.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
I'll tell you this I do feel like a lot of this stuff
should be on here.
I do feel like Mia X at 7 onBout it is appropriate.
I do think Mia X at 14, I'llmake them say might be a little
bit too high.
I think Queenpin on no Diggityat 27 should be higher.
(45:02):
I think Foxy Brown on I Shotyour Remix is top five for me.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
guys, I don't care what they do that's their best
verse, I think, the Queen Pan.
I'm glad you brought that up,Coop, because I thought that was
very, very low.
It should have been a lothigher.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
It should have been at least.
How about this?
I would be cool with swappingout Mia X and Queen pin on the
Make them Say Un, putting Queenpin's no Diggity verse at 14 and
Mia X's Make them Say Un verseat 27, because Mia X does have
the Bow that Bow, that verse,and that is the verse that we
remember her for Well.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
I think to that point , though I think that out of all
the names on here, like QueenPin's name doesn't ring as many
bells as a lot of these otherfemale MCs, so she probably got
pushed down to the bottom Beforeyou went off screen Coop.
I do think it needs to besomething said about the impact
of the monster verse, because Ithink the monster verse is why
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the impact of it is, why it's,uh, put so high at number two.
So I wasn't mad at that.
But another another thing onhere that I loved about it and
this um, you know, we can moveon unless y'all have anything to
add, not so much to featureartists, but it's a ton of missy
records on here where she wasthe main artist and had somebody
else feature.
I love the flowers that Missywas getting on this list for her
(46:26):
song.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
First of all, I thought it was a nice call by
them because my favorite Nickiburst might be Nicki on the
Hello Good Morning remix.
I'm happy that it might be herbest verse to me.
When I'm saying Monster is toohigh, I get the impact, the
notoriety and the game-changingmoment it is for her.
But what I'm saying is itprobably belongs objectively at
five, not at two, because the IShot you remix verse for Fox is
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better.
It's better.
I would tell you that Trina'sNAMM performance is better and
more Like.
There are women out here whoare doctors, who are partners in
law firms and if you cut onNAMM, alright, you understand
what I'm saying.
You understand what I'm saying.
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You understand what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
I'm glad you put Lauryn Hill.
Nobody verse on here as well.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
First of all, she doesn't have that many guest
appearances for her to make thislist.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
There's no reason she doesn't.
The verse deserves to be onhere.
It's just a stellar verse.
It's a stellar verse.
I don't think Soleil should beon here.
If I'm being honest, thatrecord's too big.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
That record's too big .
That record's too big.
But.
Jt was big down here it was big.
Yeah, do you?
Speaker 3 (47:43):
want to kidnap her.
We ain't hear from her for awhile.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
She should have blinked twice.
She should have blinked twicePut her on mute.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
But yo, the Lady of Rays joint on Stranded Death,
death Row, aka Baby D Yo, thatwas a good pull to put that.
That made the top 10, I think,no, it was 13.
But yeah, I like that they putthat on here.
Stranded on Death Row is aposse cut.
That I don't think gets enoughlove.
It ranks up there pretty highfor me.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
They got a good one, I think.
Remy on the Anteup remix Ithink that might be a little bit
too high.
That's at six.
I think they feel bad.
I think they feel bad aboutRemy not making it.
I don't know if that's top tenaction, I don't know.
Coop, I think that's right.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
That Anteop remix was going crazy and she was the
reason for that.
When she came on that changedthe momentum of that song.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Rhapsody on Complexion Too Low?
Speaker 3 (48:42):
I don't even know if that makes the list for me.
I would replace that with thewhat did you say earlier?
The Touch Me, Tease Me joint.
I would replace that with theRhapsody.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
I feel like the guest appearance she did on the Busta
Rhymes Best I Can is betterthan the Complexion one.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
That might have been an inclusion vote.
Like we gotta get her on here.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Yeah, I think they just put that one on her.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
to be honest, I thought Vida's verse on Put it
On Me was a nice pull becauseit's one of those verses that us
, as fellas, don't realize howmany women know that verse,
until we hear it in the clubagain and every chick in the
club sings the verse.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
It resonates with them.
I saw Drew's rapping that joy.
Like yo.
What are you doing First?
Speaker 2 (49:31):
of all, you must have been in Midtown Atlanta, where
I'm working, san Diego.
You have been in MidtownAtlanta.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
He has the same difference.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
I hate to say this, because I love Rhapsody.
I think it's an inclusion pickand it's on a Kendrick Lamar
song, so that garners extraclicks.
Just having Kendrick's name onthe list, what's going on, they
got to get the algorithms.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Man.
What's going on.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
They got to get the algorithms, man, they got to get
yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
No, no, no, no, but overall they did a good job.
Nice pull about the Missy thing.
Eve did make it here twice.
I'm not a big fan of the HotBoys remix, like period, even
though Eve does have the bestSame here.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
I love that record.
I think even Q-Tip got off onthat joint man.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
You can keep that for me.
Actually, I like the originalbetter.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
And Nas went crazy on there.
Man, that's a staple at hisshows.
You go to the Nas show.
He's performing that verseduring his lady set.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
And I understand it, but I think it might be his most
overrated verse.
The verse ain't that good.
Sorry, it ain't that good, it'sjust okay.
The Nas Hot Boys remix versey'all think that's dope yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
I don't think it's overrated or underrated.
I think it's properly.
I don't think nobody ravesabout it, but it's a fire verse
on a commercial record.
That beat is crazy, the beat iscrazy.
Escobar.
Cbr bikes, switching gears,headlights Shines so bright,
it's a freeze like this.
You know what?
Speaker 1 (51:11):
I mean Freeze like this.
It's not the freeze like this.
That's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
Who don't like the verse birds?
Because when we came back fromDon't Call Out, he hit that deer
.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
First of all, the deer hit me Motherfucker, jumped
over the median and kicked thecar.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
Sorry for bringing that up, Coop.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Still paying for the shit.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
How the fuck fuck you get insurance on a car.
It's just make you pay money.
After you got insurance on thecar, it was like, yeah, it was
like, well, a deer hit your shit.
The insurance really don't comewith a deer hitting the car.
It's like oh okay, I can havethe insurance phone in overall
dope list.
Dope list shout out to Vop.
We got our artists ready, ourRufus and Ill City.
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Are they in the backdrop in thebackground?
Are they ready?
for us are they here because ifthey ready, we can go ahead.
You know, get this party getthis party started.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
I'm about to bring them up.
We got Ill City.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
We got any super chats before we get this
cracking off, are we good?
Yeah, we do.
We got a couple.
Hold up, let's knock those out.
Bring the homies in CJ the Kidfirst and foremost.
Some rappers.
We like fruit toast.
When I look back on thoselyrics, y'all punks beat the
guts.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
Just beat the guts.
Cj is wild man.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
We're seeing the maturation.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
Look here, toastmasters has made CJ
assertive he's an animal man.
He's an animal Animal tough.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Animal CJ.
Cj the Raisin Head Foxy shouldhave had the top three guest
verses.
She's got a lot, she's got alot.
She's got a lot.
You know what else I thoughtabout.
I thought she had the bestverse on the no One Else remix
too, with the Brat and Foxy andKim.
I thought she had the bestverse on there when she said it
off-brand Nigga, uh, chrome thatwhips and shit Bubbling laying
(53:24):
up with them Colombians yeah,foxy crazy on the guest verse.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
Foxy's the one for me , but I think real quick, I
think she didn't over-sexualizeherself like Kim and she wasn't
as lyrically gifted as Lauren,so she got lost in the shuffle.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
I don't think she got lost in the shuffle.
Ag, I don't think she got lostin the shuffle.
You know, fox was on way more.
I think she got black.
I think she got black ball.
She got black ball.
Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.
I think China Dog messed her up, because when China Dog came
out, china Dog was terrible.
It was terrible.
It was a big, big drop.
The beats were bad.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
It was bad.
It was chasing the sound of1999.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
And it just didn't click.
It didn't click at all, and Jaywas heavily involved on that
one.
His pen was all through thatalbum and it was just Jay's pen
wasn't the best on that as well.
We gotta keep that, that abovetoo.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
No, it wasn't.
The album's not good.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
She's not good, the beat's not good.
No, sean's actually right, thebeat's not good, she's not good.
Broken Silence, broken Silence,was, was, was the one.
That's the one.
Broken Silence is the album.
I tell people.
Broken Silence, that first halfof Broken Silence is as good of
any project that I heard thatyear.
That first half of that project, the second half it tapered off
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a little bit.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
But there's stuff on there.
But, her discography couldn'tstack up to Kim's, that's just
being real.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
That's the J-Roll channel.
All right, so we about to getour fellas up on here.
L-city what?
Speaker 5 (54:58):
up man.
What's happening, what'shappening.
Speaker 6 (55:04):
That broken silence was crazy.
Yeah, davin had something to dowith that?
Right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
That's her brother, isn't it?
That's her brother.
That's her blood, isn't it?
That's?
Speaker 1 (55:21):
her brother.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
That's her blood brother.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
The one who produced.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
Hate Me Now for Nas.
Speaker 5 (55:28):
Yep, okay.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
Fellas, tell us what's good.
We've been following I Am Godfor a couple of years now and
you know, by process of, youknow osmosis and assimilation,
I've been getting familiar withwhat we have been getting
familiar with you all andeverything that's just going on
(55:53):
in the Chi.
So tell me how you all linkedup, known each other, met each
other, what the Chicago movementis like, before we get into the
project.
I want to talk about the citybecause, like when I hear y'all
shit and that's like I said iton the last episode I question
it's like is this kind of likehow Griselda kind of like got
started, where it's like well,everybody's kind of doing their
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thing but everybody kind of istogether for like a common cause
and a common good?
Ill City.
Are you the in-house producer?
Are you the new Derringer?
You know what I'm saying.
Tell us how the dichotomy ofthe team is put together and
broken up and all that.
Speaker 5 (56:30):
Go ahead, bro.
Well, you know, I'll put it toyou like this, though, they did
kind of like their presence asthey became what they are.
When they started, whengrizzled started, they did a lot
of fire under us, you know,being as though that they was
coming to the city and really,when nobody really hit to them,
like that shit.
(56:50):
So, you know, we was going tothe shows when it was only like
15 20 but, like you know, weknow Vic Spencer and Vic Spencer
is real connected with likeWestside, so, just being in
cahoots with him and knowingthat he is one of the guys that
they, you know, rock with, wehad to really step our thing up.
(57:12):
But yeah, they lit a fire underus and we just started doing
our thing, but it's our ownsound.
So but go ahead bro.
Speaker 6 (57:21):
Yeah, I first heard of Brazil through Vic and Chris
Crack.
They was doing songs with them,like back in.
Crack had a song with Conway,like in 2016, and then that's
how I got on their wave.
But I think, as far as me, meand Eel, like real brothers man,
We've been locked in for aminute.
Me and Eel, like real brothersman, we've been locked in for a
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minute and at one point he wasjust helping me and my brother
Jay Hayes, out just whether itbe with studio time or you know
what I'm saying making merch,selling merch.
Then, maybe in I don't know2020, maybe I think Bro started
DJing and he became our DJ andnot too long after that he got
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him an MPC and then it was likehe started making the beats and
they was cool at first, and thenbro just started going crazy
but by him being my brother, I'mrapping off the beats right off
the bat and then he getting allthe weak ones, all the weak
beats.
Speaker 5 (58:20):
He trying to make it make sense, you know.
Speaker 6 (58:23):
And then, as far as the movement in Chicago, we all
have been aware of each other.
I had came home from jail right, this is why I say it started.
I had came home from jail likethe end of 21.
And I had texted Nick Spencerfor his birthday.
I got out on his birthday andhe like check your messages.
I started a group, and hestarted.
He had like this little groupit was like me, him, feel More
(58:47):
Green and I Am God, and then hewas like you know what I'm
saying?
This is, we're going to do aproject, and we actually started
working on a project, but wenever finished it, though.
But then, at the same time, Iwas doing music with, like to me
, me, jujilla and Panamera P aremore like the street hip-hop
cats in Chicago, so I was doing,as well as doing music with God
(59:11):
and Fillmore.
I was doing a lot of music withJujilla and Panamera P, and
then I kind of think I was thebridge Jujela and Panamera Pete,
and then I kind of think I wasthe bridge, and then now, at
this point, we're like we don'thave a name or anything, but
it's definitely a strong circleof like seven or eight of us
that always appear on eachother's albums, support each
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other at each other's shows, andI guess it would be because
they're the Esk.
But we're technically not alabel, not a group.
We just understand that we needeach other to really push
through and establish what'sgoing on in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (59:53):
As far as the album Ill Dirty Rufusus, can you guys
walk me through?
How did that concept come aboutto adopt some of the themes
from the classic album Return tothe 36 Chambers and the
inspiration of Old Dirty, likeyou know, whose idea was it and
who helped craft and curate?
(01:00:15):
Or was it a team effort tocraft and curate the album to
what it ended up becoming?
It was more of a team effort tocraft and curate the album to
what it ended up becoming it wasmore of a team effort, I think.
Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
Uh, around around the time, the uh the woo docu, the
rule, uh docu-series that theyhad on hulu came out, me and bro
was just always on the phonewatching it.
And then, um, old dirty'scharacter started to come into
fruition for Bro, and I alwayssaw Bro like that too.
(01:00:43):
You know what I mean.
Like you know, the ace in thehole, the one, you know, the
one-hand army, a son, you knowwhat I mean.
And so, like you know, he wasjust like man.
It'd be a cold thing.
If you know, we do a projecttogether.
But we called it like Eel, likeill dirty rufus, you on the
beach, you know, and I'm on therams and, and you know, because
(01:01:05):
his rams game is so differentand so unorthodox, which is why
we use the title uh uh, uh, usethe uh, old dirty, um uh
character, because it's likethere's no father to a staff.
So that was the whole reason.
So I just really wanted thatway to shine light on his
lyrical ability.
(01:01:26):
You know what I mean.
We didn't really want to make aWu-Tang S album, because it's
still my sound and, like I'vebeen saying through all the
other interviews too, whenpeople ask, rza can only do RZA.
You know what I mean.
I didn't want to cop a soundlike the RZA.
I think there's a point in thealbum where we did go there.
(01:01:49):
You know what I mean.
But we didn't start that.
We knew we wanted somethinglike that in the album, but we
didn't want the album to be justtotally Wu-Tang, you know type.
Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
You know we wanted to shine on our sound, but still
pay homage to the art that wewas using too.
Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
And I want to no go ahead, rufus, no, no, no go
ahead.
Speaker 6 (01:02:12):
I want to pay homage to just the originality of ODB,
because I was on house arrestfor two years and you know I
ain't a spring chicken so I wasalmost like, alright, this case
gonna take me under, my rapcareer is over with.
But then I end up having funagain with rap, just
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experimenting with certainthings.
And then I came to theconclusion, like man, I want to
start making music that, like,it's hard to copy.
You know, I said, or have a, astyle that's hard to copy.
So I just I don't know.
It's like, even if you, if youhit some of the stuff I was
doing like three or four yearsago, it wasn't as polished as
(01:02:54):
like the way I do it now.
So I jump in and out pockets.
I got an end goal where it'salways the land in the pocket.
But I just kind of do thisthing and to me it was kind of
reminiscent of just how ODB justkind of did what he wanted to
do, but it made so much sense,you know.
Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
That's dope.
Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
So, rufus, I would equate your style in boxing
terms to having to fight aSouthpaw.
And so, yeah, if you've everboxed before, like fighting
somebody who's lefty, who knowhow to punch, is like the worst
thing in the world for you,because they can beat you with
their style, even if you'restronger or faster.
And so the first time that Iheard you on another project
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produced by L-City City of Gods,I said to myself it's like of
schoolboy q and of two chainswhere you're having fun when you
rap, but it is unorthodox, butit's actually like low-key
gangster, like you're having,like you're having so much fun
on this project.
People are missing a lot of theshit that you're saying, because
it's like it took me two orthree times to catch it and I'm
like oh yeah, I'm like he havingtoo much fun because he's
making me have so much fun thatI didn't start catching some of
the stuff that you were sayinguntil the third time around,
(01:04:22):
because I was enjoying the styleand the cadence and the flow
and the put together so much.
Speaker 6 (01:04:28):
I used to think I was the next like at one point in
time in my career I thought Iwas the next Meek Mill.
So I was doing like I wasalways doing hip hop, but I was
doing like I was trying to catchwhat the streets wanted.
I was around so many streetcats, so I'm trying to make
these street anthems and bangers.
And then I finally got to aspace where I was like man, fuck
(01:04:48):
them, man, I'm going to do whatfeels good to me and I'm having
so much more fun.
Now.
My content is still very street.
It's a reflection of a lot ofthings that I've been through,
but you know I come from.
You know jumping in certainpockets already, so I'm like all
(01:05:10):
right, how can I take this toanother level and just make it
super creative?
Not too far where I'm runningsomebody off, but still enough
where it sounds fresh.
Though you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
No doubt.
But that's hip-hop.
Hip-hop is pushing theboundaries, it's being authentic
and being, you know, genuine toyourself.
And we hear that a lot in thisalbum.
I listen to Cap Crazy a lot.
I love Cap Crazy.
I even love Cap City.
For you to even that productionon Cap Crazy, just to have that
hint in the backdrop of Dirty,you know that shit is genius.
(01:05:41):
And the fact that, like yousaid, rupert, your style is so
unorthodox, it's not aboutwriting a beat, it's really just
getting crazy on it.
You know what I mean Justreally just blowing on it and
doing what you want to do.
There's no boundaries to it,there's no rules to it.
Speaker 6 (01:06:01):
And you can feel that in the freedom of actually what
you're rapping on on that jointas well.
Man just rapping regular gotborn to me Like it's like and
it's so easy to copy.
And then I had all these peoplelike man, I mean you still
going crazy, but that new stuffyou're doing a little bit I'm
like man, that's what I'm atwith it, man.
Speaker 5 (01:06:18):
So take it or yeah, and I think for like cap crazy.
We just wanted to like have fun.
You know what I mean.
Like bro, bro got so many.
You know, if you go back to um,you know, dig into his.
Uh, you know, slow down, go tohis yeah, go to his discography
um, and really just follow upall the way.
(01:06:39):
Up until now Well, listen, upuntil now, all those projects
before I came in and did mything, those projects were like
serious projects.
So in the midst of everybodyyou know, winning the Boy Scout
Logic, giving him all thisproduction and him putting his
thing together, it allowed me tojust say you know what?
They're giving him real seriousbeats.
(01:07:01):
I'm going to give him like thebest production, the fun
entertainment production and wejust going to go crazy with it.
The number one thing for meabout us with this project and
me and bro we talk like everyday.
So it was like the rollouts.
I just wanted the rollouts, theanticipation, and then once the
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project hit, boom, you knowwhat I mean.
And to ag's point on the uh lastshow, you know I know like a
lot of people were saying we hada lot of features and that was.
It was a reason for us havingall the features on this one
because, like I say, hisprevious albums he really only
had like probably like two orthree features and the rest was
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just him.
So this was like an opportunityto because we already widened
the wave in the city.
So this was like a perfectopportunity to not only show you
know, uh, our ability to havefun in hip-hop.
It also showed you, showed hiscamaraderie amongst the guys and
who he hanged with you knowwhat I mean and basically go
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throughout the city and getdifferent artists, you know,
like we had Bizarre, we hadSapphire, you know just a lot of
guys that he's connected withjust to make a great album.
You know what I mean.
But yeah, that was the wholegoal for this whole album, not
just Cap Crazy is just to havefun, give them a fun product.
Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
Right, that was an honest critique.
But you know, once I thinkabout it, it kind of fits the
theme of the album because ifyou're making an O'Day to like,
you know a Wu-Tang solo album,most of the Wu solo albums have
a lot of features, you know,featuring the rest of the crew.
So it makes sense when youthink about it.
(01:08:45):
And cat crazy just so happensto be, um, my favorite joint on
the album.
That gives you that old, dirty,uh bastard vibe to it.
Um, but rufus, you spoke toearlier about how your old stuff
from a few years ago doesn'tsound like you know the stuff
you're doing now.
You wanted to do somethingwhere nobody could bite or copy
your style and have more funwith the records.
So in that, did your writingprocess change any, like when
you go in the booth?
(01:09:05):
Or you know your whole processleading to record the album?
Did you have to switch that up?
Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
In the process I start writing at the mic.
At the mic and it kind of it'slike I still write some songs,
but to me it's almost like apump faking a free throw when
you're writing sometimes,because it's like when I scratch
it I can say this better, I cansay that better, and sometimes
it's like living in the momentkind of, and I kept getting
(01:09:33):
better and better at it.
So it's like I so it's like Irecord off energy drinks and my
mind gets moving real fast and Ijust, you know, I got to
remember what the thought, thatI just thought and then still
had a conviction, but yeah, Imake most of it right at the mic
.
Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
So hold on, hold on.
So let me hold on.
Ag, are you finished?
You mind if I piggyback offthat?
So I'm fascinated by thatbecause I used to be an artist
and so some of the last thingsthat I was doing is I was
teaching myself to have four toeight bars ready before I would
go to the mic.
So when you're saying that youhave, are you?
Are you like?
Are you in your mind, like, isthe beat playing?
(01:10:12):
And you're writing the bars inyour mind and then you're
stepping to the mic, are?
Speaker 6 (01:10:20):
you talking about you really just going to the mic on
some uncut, like in riffing.
Sometimes I might have a fourbars, I might have a hook, right
, right.
But I record so much musicthough now you don't have time
to write, yeah, and I just getinto a zone, almost like a
basketball game.
I get in the zone, I know mymind already knows what it's
(01:10:42):
time to do, and once I get tothe mic, like my mind, I think,
goes to a different place.
So I make them right at the mic, most of them, and all I need
is like one good line and thenI'm gone.
I can just keep building offthat.
So I've been just punching.
I'll stop, give me back, comeon, give me back, give me back,
give me back.
And then, yeah, kind of gotreal good at just doing it like
(01:11:03):
that.
I still write and I do what yousaid too.
I might come in.
If I come in with eight bars,it's over with.
I'm finna, smoke, right, I'llbe nervous.
It's like a fun thing, becauseI'd be nervous sometimes I don't
have the a-bomb and I'm like ah, yeah, I tell people, I tell
people all the time, yeah, I gotthe verse ready, and then I get
(01:11:24):
in there and I'll be like, allright, what are we gonna do?
But then I make some of my.
I start with I start realizinglike damn, I make some of my
best music like this.
So I kind of just thought, um,um, just catering to the process
and making the process better.
And then I do it in front ofeverybody and it's like some of
the best lyricists in the city.
They be like oh you crazy bro.
Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
You mind if I ask just one more question, right
quick, before you jump back in.
Sean, yeah, so I've listened toPanamera, peas and Jujilla's
project as well and of courseyou know we've been down with I
am god for a minute.
You do come off like the odb ofthe crew with the unorthodox
style and voice.
(01:12:08):
So how do you feel when you'rein the studio with these
quote-unquote uh, traditionallyricists?
Because they're great at whatthey do, like jujujilla's verse
on I Am God's Morse Wade wasprobably my favorite guest verse
on there and it made me gocheck for him and Panamera.
So I have their projects too,and all of those guys.
(01:12:30):
I would consider those threeguys to be your more traditional
, fundamental emcees.
Does working with guys likethat make you go further outside
of the box?
Does it push you to be likewhen you're walking in?
Does that nervousness is thathigher when you and I Am God are
sitting there in the yo withyou?
Speaker 6 (01:12:50):
It's this song that me.
I remember this one session Ihad for the loyalty project and
I had a song, one song I Am God,then one song with you and they
going project.
And I had a song, one song withI Am God, then one song with
Jew and they going crazy.
And I'm just like I got nothingready, which I never do, but I
was just like they definitelypushed me lyrically.
You know what I'm saying.
(01:13:12):
And it's like the people that Irap with they push me in
different ways, almost so Iwould say Jew and I Am God push
me more lyrically.
Somebody like Vic Spessa, he'slike he's a lot of fun.
He's like the funny, he's likea funny guy.
Then Pano we call Pano TimDuncan it's just like big
(01:13:34):
fundamental, don't miss he just.
You know what I'm saying, hejust.
But I don't know.
Yeah, they all push me, notenough to change up my process,
but maybe just to be aware, like, all right, you with the
killers today, you know what I'msaying Right, so, fellas, we
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got a super chat.
Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
From my Mere Thoughts Does this quote look familiar.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the recordthat's my shit.
Speaker 6 (01:14:08):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
That's my favorite song.
Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Favorite song yeah, that's my Mere Thoughts.
Speaker 5 (01:14:15):
That was like the second and third record that we
actually had finished for thealbum.
But the first track that we hadthat I built off of was Grits
and Eggs.
Once I, you know, had thisability and I'm like man, you
know we're not there yet, butonce I got Grits and Eggs broke
(01:14:38):
one in one day, did it.
The next day, I think, richieWest came by his crib, laid down
his verse and it was done, andI'm like all my beats need to
have that type of vibe, and thenso on.
Then we came up with thisconcept called Rucka.
Actually, rucka is actually aconcept from a joint he had on
(01:15:00):
there called Jim Carrey, on AimHot, which he dropped in 2021.
And I was like man, it'd becold if you take this one line
and just make it a hook and Brojust, you know, did his master
thing with it, you know.
Speaker 6 (01:15:15):
I wrote I actually I wrote Rucker, I wrote that one.
Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah , yeah, that's dope, that's dope
.
So, siddy question for you, man, you got different ends of the
spectrum.
You got Rufus on one end, yougot IM on the other.
As a producer, as a curator,and you're putting together the
sounds, the soundscape for allof the artists on the crew, the
soundscape for all of theartists on the crew.
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Do you see yourself gravitatingmore to one style based on how
it makes you feel as a curator,as someone who's producing a
record?
Because, going back to whatRufus said earlier, having fun,
getting to have fun on a record,having fun on the album itself,
as a producer, do you feel thatsame way?
Are you having fun on the albumas you're producing for a
(01:16:04):
specific person?
Or do you feel like I have tolock in a certain way because I
have?
I am who's going to bring adifferent flavor, different
energy on this record?
Are you changing your vibes andyou coming up with the actual
beat itself?
Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
you know, when I do come up with like certain beats,
bro is out, they first.
Ruth is always here.
Everything I do first beforeanybody even hears.
Speaker 6 (01:16:22):
So the cat is me and Jay.
Speaker 5 (01:16:27):
Hey, they hear the beats first before anybody, and
the beauty about that is is thatthey'll tell me who to kind of
like to let to go to and be likehey, you might want to take
that to.
I Am God you know what I mean,and so like.
I'll take that to I Am God andhe'll probably like it.
Like Stephens is like the introtrack.
(01:16:49):
You know Hayes had that first,but Hayes was like you know what
, get that to I Am God.
I think he'll sound real coldon that.
And so I was like man, you knowhe'll take that joint and he
did what he did with it.
But, like I said, yeah, in myprocess you know the bros, they
always around, so they they hita lot of stuff before anybody
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else do, and so we just likemake certain plays.
You know, man, you might wantto hook up with this artist or
you might want to hook up withthat artist, and actually that
makes it fun for me because itshows my versatility to be to
able to give people tailor-madeproduction is what I call it,
you know, I mean that's what Iwant, that's that's my goal.
to work with anybody is to makethe production tailor-made to
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fit them, so, like with the lasttwo projects that I did, and
that's what happened.
You know, I just made theteller made two different sounds
, but the same approach, if thatmakes sense, absolutely.
Speaker 6 (01:17:48):
Me and Jay Hayes, our group.
We like a duo.
We are both solo artists, butwe do a lot of music together,
and he's one of the main guys inthe city too.
Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
So me and Jay Hayes, we even before this whole thing,
the little people, the littlepeople, yep, yep.
Speaker 6 (01:18:07):
So yeah, we've been rocking out for a long time, but
I think Chicago just reallystarting to realize, man, it's
much easier together than apart,you know what I'm saying.
And then a lot of peoplelow-key, like Chicago is a
hating-ass city, so it's likethere's a lot of guys that can
spit, but we formed this littlecircle and then everybody be
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like oh man, y'all won't let mein, or you know, we can't be
down with the cool kids and belike man, this is a real organic
thing.
Y'all hands, y'all the rules.
You know what I'm saying?
Keep down with this.
Speaker 5 (01:18:38):
The bar is set really high in our camp, like it's a
way you got to really you knowrhyme.
It's a way you got to presentyourself.
You know what I mean.
You know, because a lot of theguys that's in our circle man
have great accomplishments.
We got a couple guys that didEuropean tours in Fillmore Green
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and big Spencer.
You know what I'm saying.
You know they did Europeantours.
You know uh uh, you know youknow they work.
Speak for itself.
You know Rufus.
You know his years of work init.
So it's like the bar is reallyreally set.
You know what I mean.
And we we done been around alot of guys that you know, kind
of like they just go to the gymand just taking shots.
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You know that ain't what we do.
Speaker 6 (01:19:23):
Yeah, they export hoopers yeah, they export
hoopers.
Speaker 5 (01:19:27):
We really that's why the music sound the way that it
is.
It's because we really reallytrying to, you know, set the bar
at a high level.
A lot of people would thinklike we just doing too much.
It's like nah, bro, we gotta beauthentic and like so go ahead,
go ahead cool no, you go aheadno, you go ahead I want to hear
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you talk so, nah so.
But, like I said, the bar is setpretty high and so, like you
know, the music has to match.
And so for us, you know, wejust we just want to put our
best foot forward.
You know the music has to match.
And so for us, you know, wejust, we just want to put our
best foot forward.
You know what I mean.
And then we older too.
So, like the music, for us atour age, it has to make a lot of
sense.
You know, we ain't in the clubs, we ain't, you know, popping
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bottles.
You know we, we real men, livea real life.
So, like the music has toreflect that.
You know what I mean.
And you know it's nice.
You know, like we say, we cleanup, nice too, while we doing it
.
Speaker 6 (01:20:26):
I think a lot of people in our city right, they
could spit.
But it's like I'm not a fan ofeverything.
I ain't a fan of stuff.
That's just about anything.
It's like what are you talkingabout?
You know what I'm saying it'slike and how does it relate to
you for real, as a man, as aperson?
You know what I'm saying.
So I want to hear about you, Iwant to see your growth as a man
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, and that's what I want to hear.
And I think a lot of people getlost in what everybody else
want or what will or what won'twork.
But the guys I'm around, thoseare my favorite artists.
Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Dope.
Dope.
Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
AG.
Oh no, you was going to saysomething.
Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
I just want to know Ill City.
So what is it like with you?
I know for me your producer inthe studio is kind of like your
tour guide, so it appears thatyou are organized and have
objectives when you all arerecording.
Is that accurate?
Because, based on what you allare telling me and from the
conversation that I've had withI Am God, it's like y'all are
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synchronizing what y'all aredoing, so y'all are coming to
the yo with objectives in mindabout knocking shit out, getting
shit in.
Yeah, yeah, to the yo likewhat's objectives in mind about
knocking shit out, getting shit?
Yeah, yeah, uh, working mostinto the movement.
Do you ever have to get on anyof the artists about, kind of
like, staying on task, gettingshit done?
Speaker 5 (01:21:49):
um, not not all the time, not all the time.
Um, it's like you know, theseguys are so focused and then
they make me so focused.
So, it's like you know, sincewe probably like hooked up and
did this thing in 2020 andstarted, just you know, cooking
up and being on the rise ofwhere we are right now, it just
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was a nonstop thing.
You know, we just always, youknow, sharing ideas.
You know on how each one of uscould be effective.
You know sharing ideas.
You know on how each one of uscould be effective.
You know, you know, and allthese guys got a vision of their
own.
You know, it's just for me, Ijust, like Alchemist said,
(01:22:31):
provide the big point.
You know what I mean.
So I just provide something forthem that they could just
really, really be dope on.
You know what I mean.
But like, yeah, we definitelyhave that camaraderie where, as
though it's that I am like allhands-on very hands-on If I
can't be hands-on as a producer,be able to curate, be able to
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say something, be able to haveany type of input.
That's how I intend.
I want to work with you becauseI just don't want no trash on
my street.
You know what I'm saying.
So for them guys, I don't haveto really do that because they
already, like you know, polishedin the way you know what I mean
they already set.
It's just, you know.
I just expand what I do andmake it, you know, make it
(01:23:18):
really better for them.
You know what I mean Because Iam God.
A guy like I am God man.
That's like a cheat code for me.
You know what I mean.
The beat could be trash, butwe're going to put the dopest
concept together.
He's going to put the dopestlyrics on there and it's going
to take off.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
Dope Only got one more question.
So you all speak about yourcrew is kind of like a
collective, nothing officiallike as a group or not signed to
the same label.
But is it any chance that wecan get something like a
compilation album from you all,with you at the helm of the
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production Ill City?
Is that something that couldcome down later on?
Speaker 5 (01:24:04):
It's actually kind of in the works, but we don't
discredit a lot of otherproducers too, because it's like
I'm just really not taking off.
There were guys that it's likea whole group of us it's me,
it's Billionaire Boy Scout, it'sLogic, it's Scripps, it's Mike
(01:24:25):
Jacks, it's Kid Breeze, it'sjust a whole crew of us that
actually collectively put thiswhole sound together.
And it could be just I couldhave the momentum, but everybody
else, all the other producers,may have their input or
something.
You know what I mean.
Like the compilation that weput together.
(01:24:45):
I may have three, four beats,billionaire may have three, four
beats on there, but it allsyncs in the same together.
You know what?
Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
I mean, and y'all are in the studio with each other
while you record Gotcha.
Speaker 5 (01:24:57):
In the studio on the phone, facetime, whatever it's
really that's major.
That's major Everything.
Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
As it should be.
That's how classics are created, like that.
Speaker 5 (01:25:08):
Yeah, yeah, and we get on each other's nerves too.
Like man, I gotta do this again.
Man, I don't wanna do thisverse again, and I don't feel
like putting this bass up inhere.
Man, now they want this louder.
But it's all good, though,because it's like we all strive
for perfection, so there's nohard feelings in that, or
nothing.
Speaker 6 (01:25:29):
It was like, quote unquote more established
producers in the city.
Ill kind of just jumped theline Hard, like hard 2025.
Slow down, but Ill like the wayIll come.
Everybody see it and they'rerespecting it and I'm just so
happy for my brother you knowwhat I'm saying that he getting
recognition for what he doing.
(01:25:49):
Ill been making beats for what?
Five years now.
Speaker 5 (01:25:53):
Yeah, about five years.
Speaker 6 (01:25:55):
So, naturally.
Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
I am a drummer.
Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
You know, I used to play drums for churches, so
that's where like technicallylike the musical groove.
You know the musical backgroundreally come from.
So, like I just had to make thestep to just buy the equipment
I always wanted to produce.
I always wanted to buy MPC butI just never acted on it.
You know what I mean.
(01:26:18):
It was one of those thingswhere, yeah, money don't make no
money type of situations.
You know what I mean.
So it was just like man, youknow I'm sitting at the crib, I
might as well, just.
You know, at first I waslooking at it as a hobby, but I
didn't take it serious until Brotechnically made the transition
and was like this is the routewe're going to go, this is the
type of music we're going tomake.
(01:26:39):
And it was like man, I've beenwanting to just lock in and make
some dope hip-hop anyway, so itwas like perfect timing.
So all that 2020, during thepandemic, I'm working like tip
agency jobs and the majority ofthe time I'm really at home.
You know what I'm saying.
So I'm like, man, I got to dosomething with my time.
I just can't sit here.
(01:27:05):
So I just went on the head,bought the npc one and, you know
, sat down, watch a few videos,shout out to scripts.
He came through, showed me howto chop up samples and
everything.
You know what I mean.
And from there it just.
You know.
It was just history.
Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
You know what I mean for the record.
It sounds like you've been atit longer than five years.
Speaker 5 (01:27:20):
Man, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Like I say, that just comesfrom the ability of being around
music.
I was thinking about that.
You know what I mean Knowingmusic, having an earful.
I was about to.
Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
Go ahead, go ahead I was thinking, this is how your
beats.
I was about to say it's likeyou must be classically trained,
because ain't no way.
You've just been making beatsfor five years and you about to
say you had to have beenmusically inclined prior to it.
Because ain't no way.
Because I mean, I want to saythis is that well, two of our
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best five projects that we'veheard this year you've handled
the production for and we don'tconsider that a small feat and
you've made me questionproduction wise, like what the
difference between anindependent and a major is at
this stage in the game.
Because the soundscape thatyou're giving these artists for
me I know because I've beenaround and I've been an
independent artist oh, everymajor city got a bunch of
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independent artists with a bunchof talent.
So for me the producer is kindof the tipping point, and so the
stuff that you put together forthese gentlemen is the tipping
point, in my opinion.
You know what I mean.
So like, shout out to you,shout out to your team.
Now my last question is is it,are you guys doing shows in the
(01:28:36):
city with some sort of frequency?
Doing shows in the city withsome sort of frequency?
Is there a plan to kind of like, get out regionally in your
area and do something with youall, having such a strong core
of mcs and producers in chicago,becoming such a hub and will be
in such a hub for a long timeyeah, we was doing a lot last
year.
Speaker 6 (01:28:55):
Like last year was kind of like, um, the city, kind
of a reintroduction of the city, like, oh, this is all here and
I think a lot of the city waslike you know probably listen to
graville, especially a lot ofthe artists.
And then we had a certain showthat, uh, me and water put
together called renaissance ofthe culture, and it was sold out
(01:29:16):
, packed and then all of thehip-hop artists was there and I
could just see the look on theirface, the people in front of
like man, I a lot of peopledidn't even know what was really
going on in the city and thenwhatever.
Then from there we did anothershow, um, called purple box.
I got this, um, I'm likeco-owner of this purple box um
(01:29:36):
company called purple box.
It does like interactive videosand and it kind of just went
through the city and we.
That was another sellout showand I think that kind of set the
stage.
We ain't been doing as manyshows this year because I think
everybody kind of looking at itlike they want to do the right
shows and then I'm kind of oneof the people that throw some of
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the shows here.
As far as in hip-hop, we gotsome coming up, but you know
there's been a lot of peopletrying to jump on the wave and
they want us to just come pullup and they want to get the
whole crew there, but then theydon't want to break bread, so
I'll be like man, y'all tryingto jump on the wave.
Nah we cool.
Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
We might as well do our own show Plus like too.
You know, we'll do it.
Wherever we can to help y'allthrow it, we'll pull up and help
y'all throw it yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:30:25):
Man, we need to do that For real.
That would be great.
I'm serious.
I mean it's too bad.
Speaker 4 (01:30:35):
I mean.
So I tell y'all, like no no, no, we can tell.
Speaker 5 (01:30:37):
Even with us going back and forth to Detroit too.
You know what I mean.
We went to Detroit, did acouple shows with Bazaar too,
you know what I mean, and thatkind of helped us outside of the
city to throw some of theseshows.
They came to us, we came tothem and we look at it as a nice
(01:30:58):
market.
Detroit is actually a beautifulcity to actually do hip-hop in.
They actually got a beautifulhip-hop scene.
That kind of like took, took meaway.
You know what I mean.
I was like damn, I ain't know,it was like this, but they so
locked in with us.
You know what I mean.
That it's just man, it's justcrazy, but yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:31:18):
Detroit got a lot of hitters too yeah they got some
hitters, bro.
Yeah, detroit got some hittersyeah, they got some hitters.
Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
I be peeping.
They music scene too.
They got some guys out there,yeah we did a Chicago to Detroit
thing.
Speaker 6 (01:31:30):
I went out there.
I had Link with Bazaar.
Bazaar's name is Rufus, so itwas only right I had him on the
project and he kind of hereached out to me.
I went and did, performed athis birthday party show, and I
locked in with him and TaffFerris and Guilty Simpson and
just a lot of other cats outthere, and they showed a lot of
love.
Then Bazaar pointed to thesatellite bro y'all.
(01:31:52):
The bigger market though, andso then we went back out there
and we did like the Chicago toDetroit thing, where we all went
out there me, guy, jujela,panamera P.
Then they came back up here.
It's dope yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:32:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:32:17):
I'm in classic studios, guys All right fellas
we're about to let y'all go Forsure.
Speaker 5 (01:32:24):
I just want to say no , no, no, you're good.
Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
We're about to let y'all go.
Ill Dirty.
Rufus is out on every majorstreaming platform, correct?
Yes, sir, yes sir.
Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
Ill City was saying something real quick.
Speaker 5 (01:32:38):
I was saying I love the show watching.
Ever since I learned about it,I've been watching it like every
Thursday you know so dopeconcept, love the fact that
y'all show love to undergroundartists such as Rufus.
I Am God, man, the topics be onpoint.
(01:32:59):
You know the album reviews andeverything.
Y'all put a lot of people onnewer hip-hop because a lot of
people don't know that they canactually go out and find a nice.
You know the undergroundactually is really bringing a
better sound than the mainstream.
They just got to go look for it.
You know what I mean.
(01:33:19):
It's pure.
Yeah, it's pure, but it'splatforms like y'all, man, it's
platforms like y'all thatactually keep us going, man, and
y'all give people theinformation and people receive
that, man, and we've received alot of love since y'all guys did
the review on the album.
Man, it's been crazy.
So I love, love that for y'all.
Thank y'all for both reviewsactually for me, man appreciate
(01:33:43):
it hey I appreciate
Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
y'all hey, ill, I'll share something with you and
rufus before I get out of here,and this is conversations that
I've had when I am god behindthe scenes, when I was an artist
and this is down here inatlanta I mean, I had people
that knew me and that I wasconnected to, like djs that I
helped promote the major radio.
Like they used to ask me formoney, like to play my shit, and
(01:34:05):
I'm like I'm like you know me,it's like nigga, help spark your
shit.
And so for me, me being in iton this side was always about
the artist who I thought mayhave next.
You know what I'm saying.
Like whoever it is, it's Idon't care who it is, it's like
I just want them to get theirfair due and their fair shake,
(01:34:25):
because that's how the game usedto work.
Is that like the media outletsused to put you on to the
motherfucker that was next, andit's like it became a money
thing and it's like, no, I'm ahustler myself, I like my paper
too, but like not at the expenseof the game.
You know what I'm saying and soanytime we can run across the
camp like y'all.
it's like and I've been tellingSean and AG this since me and
Sean and AG actually met up forthe first time it's like, oh no,
(01:34:47):
we got to go to Chicago and gosee these guys.
We got to be at a show live.
Speaker 6 (01:34:55):
So you know other with y'all.
That would be amazing, bro.
We got to do that for real wedo yeah, we down for that.
Speaker 5 (01:35:06):
Get the security right.
When y'all get the chance, man,go back and listen to some of
Rufus' other work.
Man, I think you guys havereally enjoyed the work that
Rufus has presented before theIll Dirty Rufus.
I'll never take nothing awayfrom those projects, because
that's how I actually got to IllDirty Rufus is the guys making
the projects.
You know what I mean.
(01:35:26):
You know he's one of the most.
You know this is my brother.
I've been knowing him for like15 years plus.
You know what I mean.
So like this, you know it wasjust easy doing a project like
this.
You know what I mean,especially like me and him know
each other, come from the samehood, grew up you know.
But yeah, this brother isactually history.
(01:35:47):
You know he had a lot of familyhistory out here too.
You know you can learn about it.
But yeah, definitely, rufusSims is one of the ones man.
Go back and listen to his wholediscography man, you won't be
disappointed.
Speaker 6 (01:36:04):
I appreciate y'all and I love y'all opinion on
hip-hop and y'all very versed onsports too, I see.
You know, what.
I'm saying that's my life,that's my life sports and
hip-hop man.
Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
Yeah, appreciate it guys, rufus, you're, that's my
life sports and hip-hop man.
Yeah, appreciate it, guys.
What's up, rufus, you're goingto like my new show coming soon.
I'm going to be getting intosome more sports stuff too.
Me and Sean have been talkingabout doing some more
sports-related stuff.
Speaker 5 (01:36:30):
Yeah, All three of you, y'all nice.
Speaker 6 (01:36:34):
Y'all nice with it.
A lot of people don't even knowwhat they be talking about.
Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
Appreciate you, fellas.
Peace.
Peace, peace, that was dope,that was dope.
Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Y'all haven't heard the project yet, go check it out
.
Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Rufus Sims, ill Dirty Rufus on all streaming
platforms produced by Ill Citywe need to go in the summertime
because I'm not going to Chicagoin late November, absolutely
not not at all, absolutely notcrazy.
Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
We skipped over the inspiration for the time and we
didn't talk about the DirtyJoint, the return to 36 on the
anniversaries.
Y'all want to get that realquick.
Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Well, actually that's what I was actually about to
kind of get to.
Oh, okay, time-wise, I knewthey were already ready.
That's why I was like, well,well, let's go ahead and jump to
them.
Go ahead and get to this on.
Where do you rank this album inthe Wu-Tang solo catalog?
(01:37:58):
Would be my question for today.
Where does this album rank inthe Wu-Tang solo catalog?
Would be my question for today.
Where does this album rank inthe Wu-Tang solo catalog?
Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
Right, this is tough, it's tough, yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Because I think placing the album in the Wu solo
catalog will be able to provideappropriate context from there.
Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
I'm going to say six or seven Because this is early.
This is only the second soloproject.
Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
This is early.
There's still, I'm going to saysix or seven for me.
Sean, what say you?
Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
Cuba Link Jezza Liquid Swords.
Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
Man, you got Supreme.
Iron.
Man Cuban Link Liquid Swordsright.
Speaker 1 (01:38:52):
About five or six.
I have it over to Cal.
Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
I got Cuban Links too over this.
That's a push, that's a push.
Yeah, that's a conversation,and I think Pillage is a
conversation for me, because Ihold Pillage high.
Coop knows this.
Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
Look, man, you know how I feel about the Pillage.
I won't put Pillage over this.
We can't be having a feel aboutthe pillage.
I won't put pillage over this.
Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
We can't be having a conversation about the pillage
in conversation oh my god, okay,look here.
I had to clip Coop's reaction.
Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
But I love the pillage man, I really do.
But, um, this was a nice changeof pace, like Sean always talks
about when he waxes poeticabout this album and I think
about the entertainment factor.
It's one of the mostentertainment, entertaining
albums ever made and coming offof to cal being the second solo
(01:39:50):
I mean the first solo album into cal, 36 chamber was gritty
and grungy.
To cal took it to an even moredark and damp place.
You know what I'm saying Thaneven 36 Chambers was.
And then, coming off of Takao,you got.
This album, like Sean said somany times, is real bright and
entertaining, good change ofpace and I think that we're
(01:40:15):
talking about where it ranksamong the solo catalogs.
Just the entertainment factorand Dirty's style, what he
brings to the table will help itleapfrog some of those other
albums.
That's a close conversation.
You have to give Dirty's albumthe edge.
If I'm being objective, so itprobably falls in about five and
before you know, one of youtake the mic.
(01:40:35):
I just want to point this outbecause I was talking to Sean
about it and I had a thoughtDirty's position with the Woo.
We actually spoke about it onthe last show, on the latter
albums where he was, you know,god Bless the Dead when he had
transitioned.
That's the one element, thatingredient that was missing, you
(01:40:59):
know, from their albums.
You know what he brought to thetable and it got me to thinking
Dirty.
His contributions to hip hop wasjust so major but it was in a
limited, you know, concentration, if that makes sense, because
if you think about all thoseother solo albums from the woo
(01:41:20):
it's not a lot of dirty featuresout out there.
You talk about dual of the ironmic.
That's one of the only fewfeatures on the solo albums.
But he just adds thatingredient, like he does the
hook and takes the track to awhole another level.
Then you got joints.
That's scattered on soundtrackslike diesel from the soul in
the Hole soundtrack, windpipefrom Belly he's like it's just
(01:41:43):
joints here and there.
But Dirty wasn't really poppingup all over the place on these
Wu projects.
So his presence when he did,you know, get on a song, it was
really felt.
I mean, of course he had thebig hits outside of the Wu camp
the mariah fantasy remix andthen the um ghetto superstar and
stuff like that.
(01:42:03):
But I'm just talking about woojoints.
It's not a whole lot ofmaterial out there featuring
dirty and that made me a littlesad when I thought about it,
because he is the brightest spotof the group, if that makes
sense.
You know what I'm saying.
And it's not a whole lot ofmaterial out there outside of 36
Chambers and his contributionsto Forever, where he's really
(01:42:26):
with the Klan, a whole lot.
Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
Let me ask you this though, both of you guys when
does he fit on the Cuban link?
Honestly, where does he fit?
Speaker 3 (01:42:37):
He doesn't belong in that chamber because that's a
different chamber.
Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
And I'm okay with that.
I give what you're saying, thesample size is not as much as
you probably want.
Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
I've often thought to myself that he should have you
guys verse on knuckleheads.
Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
I love that verse, though I think you kind of need
you.
Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
I love that verse.
I love that verse.
But when I listen to the beatand when I listen to like the
story being told by Ray andGhost, I'm like no, that would
be actually a great place toinsert Dirty.
So if you're asking me wherethat would be, where, I think
you got what's needed for thatreason alone.
Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
Just for that, because if you think about the
aesthetic of Cuban Link, thatwas orchestrated very well and
executed even better.
Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
I got it.
I got it, though I'm sorry mybad Sean.
Speaker 1 (01:43:29):
He just didn't fit.
If anything, I would havewanted to see him more on Liquid
Swords, just because theconnective tissue between him
and GZA, because GZA brought alot.
Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
He's on Duel of the Iron Mike.
Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
I'm talking about more because the connective
tissue between him and GZA.
Gza wrote the majority ofReturn to the 36th, so it should
be some carryover into that insome capacity.
But it's very tough to saywhere you can put him in the
play sales.
Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
I got it.
I got it and it would makesense when you hear it
Wildflower.
Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
That's Iron man.
Yeah, that's some old shit,yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
Yeah, it is Iron man.
Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
But yeah, I can see that.
No, he fits on Wildflower,though you are right about the
fit.
Yeah, okay so here's the thing.
You said Cuban, are you areright about the fit?
Yeah, okay, so so here's thething.
You said cuban links, did yousean?
Yeah, yeah, so here.
So here's what.
So here's what I would say.
I would tell you that thisalbum should be fifth in the
solo catalog, and it would beslightly over the purple tape
too, and here's why the purpletape, too, is better, from
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beginning to end.
There is no brooklyn zoo no,there's the shimmy shimmy.
No, there's baby, come on.
There's no hippa to the hopper,no raw hide, no different from
the purple tape too.
Like those, four, five, sixrecords are all classic, classic
, classic hip hop songs.
Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
Right, that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
And so what I'll tell you is that the only actual
solo rap projects out of theWu-Tang Clan that are
definitively better are theoriginal Purple Tape, liquid
Swords, iron man and SupremeKeyword.
Definitively, definitively.
Because here's the thing, and Idon't think people really
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realize this, and this includesMethod man in this this crew has
never been a bright and happycrew.
No, this has always been a verydense, intense, dark,
street-oriented crew.
Think about this they rose tonotoriety on a song that
literally talks about thestruggles of inner-city life in
Cream and the need for money.
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They didn't Dirty was the fun.
This is the fun project.
This is the fun album.
This is the fun artist, andhip-hop needs fun.
That's why I like Rufus so much, because when you have one fun
artist, oh it changes thedynamics of the entirety of the
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group.
It does, and it's why Dirty wasnever the entirety of the group
.
It does, and it's why theirshit was never the same he was
the heart of the group man.
He didn't take it so serious butmuch like I just said Rufus,
he's the southpaw of the group.
It's like, oh, that style justcomes and hits you and it's
infectious and there's nothingthat you can do about it.
Think about how legendary he is.
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Aj, you spoke to this.
He barely made any material,guys, but the stuff that he made
is so impactful, like thequality of it.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
Yeah it's there.
Speaker 1 (01:46:34):
You only get one return to the 36th chance.
That's the thing, that's theunique part about it.
You can only do that once.
You cannot do that again, and,again and again.
You can only do that one timehe.
Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
I hear what you're saying.
He can't do Brooklyn Zoo again.
But Niggaplease is essentiallyShimmy, Shimmy Yari done a
variety of ways.
Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
It's entertaining.
It's just as entertaining.
It's entertaining, yes.
Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
That's what I'm saying in terms of that
entertaining factor of like oh,this is old, dirty bastard the
entertainer, not the rapper.
Speaker 3 (01:47:09):
It's the same chamber , but it's a different part of
the chamber.
Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
It doesn't give you that same feel.
Think about his brain.
Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
No, it doesn't, but that's what I mean about it not
being as hip-hop oriented.
It's the entertainer Thinkabout this Name a rapper that
could actually remake BillieHoliday's Good Morning Heartache
and Rick James' Cold Blooded onthe same album.
Speaker 3 (01:47:36):
Nobody would attempt it, nobody would attempt it.
Think about that.
Speaker 1 (01:47:39):
I didn't like it in the very beginning was crazy.
Nobody would attempt it.
Think about that.
I didn't like it in the verybeginning, fellas.
I'm being honest, nobody woulddo that.
Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
I didn't like it in the very beginning, but think
about it.
If you actually follow theartist, it's like no that
actually makes perfect sensethat he did it.
I mean it's like not on somerap shit, but he did
artistically maintain thatentertainment, that fun and the
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high-quality song-making.
So you're not going to get aBrooklyn Zoo or a Raw Hide, but
it's like, oh no, you're goingto get cold-blooded Redone.
You are going to get the actualrecord, nigga, please, with the
RZA in the back screaming youcan never fuck with the dog.
Speaker 3 (01:48:21):
That's why I said a couple shows ago on Conditioner
on the W.
As much as I like that song, itkind of makes me sad when I
hear it because you can hear thepain in his voice.
It's not the fun dirty that weknow Granted, it's recorded from
jail but you can hear the painin his voice with that.
Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
So this is what I mean.
There's a fine line between thepain and this is what I mean
about Good Morning Heartachemaking sense on Nigga, please.
Oh no, he's saying shit on thatalbum.
I get the cocaine.
It cleans up my sinuses.
Oh, he's still going.
I was still going then.
Right, he's a wild boy.
He's still a wild boy on there,so shout out to Dirty.
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Return to the 36 ChambersClassic Top five songs.
An album that is not top fiveWu-Tang album on any level is
celebrating the musicanniversary as well.
Meth Ray and Ghost released WuMassacre on 3.30.10.
Okay, the only thing that's amassacre is what this album's
sounding like.
This is an atrocity.
(01:49:21):
All three of them should beashamed of themselves.
There's three good records, onefor each great rapper on here.
That is nasty.
I thought the album was alright.
It's three records.
Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
It wasn't great.
I think it was kind of leavingyou wanting more.
I think of leaving you wantingmore.
I think it leave you wantingmore because a lot of these, all
the tracks on this album itactually leaked way before the
album came out.
There were Lucy's all over theplace when this album came out
and I don't even think it was.
It should have been an officialalbum.
It could have been a mixtape.
(01:49:54):
To be quite honest, I agree itcould have been a mixtape, but
they released it as afull-length album and you got
three of the most potent MCs, orthree of the most potent MCs in
Vogue.
I don't think they pulled itoff.
Speaker 3 (01:50:08):
My only complaint is I love Mef, but I think the
third person should have beenCapadonna, because those three
got the chemistry.
Speaker 1 (01:50:15):
That's a good quote, man, or Dex, dex wasx.
Originally it was going to be,I think Dex got his czar face
thing.
Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
Dex got his czar face thing he's like.
I got some top.
I got some top billing overhere.
Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
I'm not doing that you rolling your eyes, coop, but
name a track with all threeKappa Ray and Ghost on it.
That's not classic.
Name one humor me, coop.
Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
No, a Ray and Ghost on it.
That's not classic Name one.
Humor me, humor me, coop.
No, okay, first of all, I likeCapadonna.
I like the Pillage.
I just don't like Capadonna andthe Pillage as much as you all.
Ray, ghost and Capa are epictogether.
The level that we've had totalk about Capadonna and the
Pillage in the year that we'vebeen doing this podcast is
(01:50:59):
fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
The poor rhythm on Soul.
Paul, it is fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
We have talked about the pillage.
I want to count on how manytimes we have talked about the
pillage.
We have talked about thepillage like 92 times in a
calendar year.
It is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
It is ridiculous, cooper, it's the right thing to
do.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (01:51:21):
I'm going to go listen to Super Ninjas when we
get done.
Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
Is that going to make you feel?
Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
better yeah, milk this cow Milk this cow is my
joint though Milk.
This cow is my joint.
That is my favorite joint.
That's the cow's fire.
Feels like a fish knockoff fromIron man, but whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:51:40):
Nah, it ain't competing with fish at all.
That's one of the true.
It feels like a fish knockofffrom Iron man, but whatever,
yeah, yeah, nah, it ain'tcompeting with fish at all.
That's one of the true master.
Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
That's one of the best movies ever.
We eat fish.
Fish is epic Rap ballads, crazy, crazy record.
Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
It is crazy.
Okay, Speaking of more Wu-Tang,it's a Wu-Tang Forever type of
show.
Method man and Red man havesome new music out.
It's a Red man song, La La Laoff his Muddy Waters 2 album,
but the remix has been done bynone other than DJ Premier.
Guys, what do we think aboutthis DJ Premier remix with Red
(01:52:13):
man and Method man?
La La.
Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
La.
I feel like Premier is rampingup a little bit.
I feel like Premier's rampingup a little bit.
Like you know, after the Marcyjoint, I think this is another
hot joint that he put out there.
So if he keeps on, you knowwhat I mean.
Seems like he's getting moreactive, putting out more joints
and then leading us to this Nasalbum.
I get a little bit moreconfident with every little
loose to your single that he'sputting out since the rock Marcy
(01:52:39):
joint.
Yeah, I can dig it.
Speaker 1 (01:52:40):
I think it's just a wrap up every little loosey or
single that he's putting out,since the Rock Marcy joint.
Yeah, I can dig it.
I think it's just a wrap up.
I don't think it's somethingthat was supposed to do anything
more than that.
I just think it's a wrap up.
I really do Nothing to go crazyover, respectfully, but both of
them sound good on PremiereProduction.
By the way, Method may stillsound good man, which the way
Red Method Method may stillsound good man.
It's crazy.
(01:53:01):
It still sounds crisp man.
Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
I liked it.
I felt like it was a step up.
Yeah.
It's a step up.
I don't have too much more tosay than that it's a remix
record.
Yeah, it's a remix record.
I mean, Redman and Method manare consistently great when
they're together.
They're not doing anythingmind-boggling.
(01:53:27):
The beat is pretty dope.
I think the drums and thesnares and the kicks are nice.
It's a good beat.
Speaker 1 (01:53:34):
Yeah, this is a little loosey Something to get
us ready.
Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
Yeah, something a little in and out.
You know, not good, not bad.
You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, a little 3.5.
Yeah, yeah, light that up,smoke it.
You know it's all good.
Method man and Red man La La LaRemix that's it now you about
to wax poetic though.
(01:53:59):
I was about to say.
But now to the moment.
We've all been waiting for, themoment of truth.
On March 31st in 1998, one ofthe truly great rap albums of
all time got created.
I feel like that.
The moment of truth, quitefrankly, is a top 20 rap album
all time.
When I talk about all timegreat rap albums, very few of
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those rap albums have more than15 songs on them.
This is one of the five albumsthat does, and so not only is it
great, it's great on everylevel, by every measure,
including, like you know, as faras extended length player.
You could argue that therearen't five rap albums with a
better collection of songs,because this one actually has a
collection of 19 songs, and themajority of those songs are
(01:54:43):
actually stellar.
They're 20.
Well, I don't count.
There's one in the middle wherethe chick's just talking.
Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
Oh no, that goes into the.
You know what I'm saying?
That's blended with anothertrack.
That's a two-part track.
That's the oh shit, what isthat?
Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
that's uh I got them all written down.
That's the um.
I think that's uh, my advice toyou.
My advice to you new york,straight talk uh-uh it's um,
it'll come to me.
Speaker 3 (01:55:16):
Um, your rep grows big.
The rep grows bigger, I think.
I think it's the rap growsbigger when she's doing the
shout outs Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
It's like two minutes worth of shout outs and it's
the same thing in memory of.
So it's like I kind of count itas 19, because both of those
songs aren't really complete.
Complete songs, but thoughts onMoment of Truth.
Guys, ag, you want to kick usoff?
Speaker 3 (01:55:42):
yeah, I think this is their magnum opus.
Man, I think um, premiere is atan all-time high.
I think guru, as an mc, is atan all-time high on this.
Um, dope concept, dope rhymes.
Um, as far as like front toback, you know um, from track
one to the end of the album,this is their best album.
Some people may say hard toearn, but I disagree.
(01:56:04):
I think this is D1.
You know this is by far the oneand it's a really great album.
I think it's a Bob Mike album.
Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
It's up there.
I don't know if I'd give it aBob Mike, I'd definitely give it
a 4.5, but I really feel like Igive it a 4.5 respectfully.
I think from front to back,paws is the best.
It's their best album to me.
It's their best albumproduction wise.
The completion of theproduction to me is the best
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that we've seen in one setting.
Guru did his thing on it.
Really.
He wrote an entire album.
The only thing I dock it for.
If I had to dock it foranything and this is just really
, really, really, really pullinghairs, if you will, or just
being anal about it for us it'sjust more so just I wonder if we
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would have condensed it.
Take my two or three songs offand make it a little bit more
condensed.
Then I would have given more ofa classic, but I wouldn't argue
with nobody who feels this is aclassic.
I wouldn't say you think it's aclassic.
I just give it a four and ahalf.
I think that it's a greatcompletion of an album, a full
body album, but I wouldn't giveit a full classic.
Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
But I love this album .
But again I won't argue.
Speaker 1 (01:57:23):
If you got a classic, you got a five mic.
You got a five mic.
I just wish it was a little bitshorter, that's all.
Speaker 2 (01:57:30):
This is one of the few easy fives I've ever
actually listened to in my life.
In my opinion, where I don'targue about the five of it I
hear what you're saying Like,for me, some albums are just
five.
The Infamous is a five, this isa five, the Low End Theory is a
five.
It's like that for me when itcomes to this album.
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And you're right, ag, you'reright, guru never sounded better
on here.
But production-wise, whenwe're're talking about actual
beat side of it and the actualexecutive production side of it,
it's arguably the bestexecutive production and
production of beats that theeast coast ever presented from
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one producer outside of a rizzoproject.
And so that's what I mean islike, oh no, it's special.
It's like there's Q-tip on thelow end theory, there's RZA on
liquid swords in the purple tapeand then there's primo, moment
of truth as far as East coastproducers like, as far as like,
manifesto jobs.
And so this is this is amanifesto job in my opinion, so
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just the production alone makesit a five.
I did is a manifesto job in myopinion, so just the production
alone makes it a five.
Um, I did a little thing todayand I was just having some fun
and I'm gonna post it when we'redone where I was realizing, if
you go through all the stuffthat preem was doing, you know,
before um, before moment oftruth came out, he really held
all his best beats for guru.
Like it's remarkable when youlook at the stuff that he did
because I went back and listenedto some of the.
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Like it's remarkable when youlook at the stuff that he did
because I went back and listenedto some of the other stuff,
it's like, oh no, he kept thebest beats, like with the best
drums.
Like the best drums that he didare all on here.
Like he didn't give none ofthat shit away.
He didn't give it to Rakim, hedidn't give it to Nas, he didn't
give it to Jay, he didn't giveit to Jay, he didn't give it to
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Big.
Big got the best of it becauseBig got 10 Crack Commandments.
That was the accident.
That wasn't for Big, that wassome old shit.
Prima done.
Big just had him go back andcook that back up.
So, outside of kicking the door, I can't think of in a million
and one questions.
I was going through the stuffand I'm like, no, he gave all of
the best beats to Guru.
But I thought to myself whatwould it look like had he
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actually given these beats awayto someone else?
So I did a top three list ofall the beats that I thought the
emcees would have rhymed overbest over the beat.
So do you mind if I run it downright quick.
It looks like you wanted to jumpin and say no, no, go ahead, go
ahead.
So for you Know my Steez, Ithink big would have sounded
(02:00:03):
epic on you know my C's, and soI actually got big at number one
on you know my C's.
I got KRS-One at number two.
I got Rock Him at number three.
Oh, quick caveat you had tohave been on a beat by DJ
Premier before Moment of Truthfor me to include you in this
list of people.
So these are all the peoplethat had already rhymed on
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Premier's beats, so couldprobably get a Premier beat
because they had already had oneFor Robin Hood Theory.
I thought this beat would befor J Rue Damage, J Rue, the
damage of the best.
I have Bahamadi at second.
A lot of people forget that heworked on Bahamadi's collage
album.
So I have Bahamadiya at second.
A lot of people forget that heworked on Bahamadiya's collage
album, so I have Bahamadiya.
And then I have Prodigy atthird.
(02:00:44):
A lot of people forget that heproduced a record off Juvenile
Hell on Mobb Deep's first album.
So Prodigy, I'm going to makethis list.
Hit it from the back.
Yep, For work.
I got Jay.
When I listen to this beat, Ithink Jay would go crazy on work
.
I love to beat the work.
I got KRS-One at two.
I got Nas at three.
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For work For royalty.
I got Nas at one.
I got Rock M at two.
I got OC at three.
Oc For above the clouds listento this.
I got Big because I think Bigwould sound great on above the
clouds.
Listen to this.
I got big because I think bigwould sound great on above the
clouds too.
It would Well, big would soundgreat on everything.
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I got J.
My third choice ODB.
Interesting ODB the Big DaddyKane joint that Preem did.
Odb is on that joint.
Yes, A lot of people forgetabout that.
I thought ODB yeah, yeah, A lotof people forget about that.
I thought ODB, yeah, yeah, Alot of people forget that.
So I think ODB would soundpretty great over above the
clouds too, Like something alittle bit outside of the box
(02:01:48):
for that.
Jfk to LAX.
I got J.
I think that would be the beatfor J that J would take.
Of all the stuff that I heardon here, I think that that beat
fix J-Style the best.
The next two options are goingto kind of throw you off a
little bit.
Chub Rock and the Lady of Rageare my two and three for that.
He did some stuff for Lady ofRage and he's been doing stuff
for Chub Rock.
Chub Rock is nice.
(02:02:08):
People forget Chub Rock is nice.
He only made one album, butthat album was nice.
Chub Rock can spit.
Speaker 3 (02:02:20):
I used nice chub rock can spit out of cousin that
used to play the album all thetime man like
Speaker 2 (02:02:23):
it's a great album.
Chub rock was nice.
He's nice, was nice.
It's a setup.
I thought this beat was perfectfor rock him.
I actually think he probablyshould have taken this beat
instead of a couple of otherbeats he actually ended up
taking from preen.
But that's a whole nother story.
Actually it's a setup beat.
I was was like this is the OGbeat because I got Rakim Kane
and KRS-One as the people thatshould take this beat.
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The actual Moment of Truthrecord.
I have Nas at one.
I think that would be therecord he should rhyme over.
I got Heavy D at two.
I got Kane at three On BI vsFriendship.
I got Kane at three On BI vsFriendship.
I got Fat Joe at one.
I got DOS Effects at two.
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Wild Card.
I got Shaheen at three.
Speaker 3 (02:03:12):
That is Wild Card I like it.
Speaker 2 (02:03:13):
I like it 98, Shaheen .
Yeah, I like it.
Yeah, Shaheen on BI vsFriendship yeah, good look the
Militia.
I got KRS-One.
The Militia got KRS-One allover it to me.
I got OC after that and then Igot J at third.
The rep grows bigger.
I got JRu and then I got Bigand then I got Prodigy.
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What I'm here for, what I'mhere for, is Kane.
I love that record.
I think Kane would float herefor Me too.
I got Nas at two and then I gotJay at three on there Four.
She Knows what she Wants.
I got Bahamadia Another sleeperpick.
I got AG at number two fromShowbiz and AG.
Speaker 3 (02:03:59):
I'm the original AG, though I'm not joking.
Okay, that's actually my heavyD at number three.
My fault, I was just going tosay this is my least favorite
record on the album.
Speaker 2 (02:04:16):
It probably is mine too, ag.
It's on the bottom half.
How about this?
This album's a five to mebecause if you're telling me
that this is like the weekrecord five, right, new York,
straight Talk.
Right, new York, straight Talk.
I picked Rakim again for that.
I got Prodigy at number two.
Got Chubb Rock at number three.
My advice to you.
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I got Prodigy at this one.
I would love to hear prodigyover my advice to you.
That would be fire.
I like that.
I got yeah.
I got yeah, 98 prodigy over myadvice to you.
I think the title would fit too.
Yeah, that sounds like aprodigy record opening bar would
be crazy yeah yeah, the openingbar would be crazy.
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I hit you with a brick and thenleave your moms out the building
.
And I got Nas at 3 for Make EmPay.
I actually think Make Em Paywould be a great J record.
I got J Rue at 2.
I got KRS at 3.
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The Mall is my least favoriterecord, ag.
I think I got J Rue at two.
I got KRS at three.
The Mall is my least favoriterecord AG.
I think I got DOS FX at numberone for this one, yeah, because
it kind of has that rowdy kindof like up-tempo thing that they
were known for in the early 90s, you know.
And it's got the kind of likeold school.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:05:40):
No, no, no, I like, like it, I mean this in a good
way.
These, I mean I'm a flying, youknow, I'm saying I used to kill
them all, so right.
Speaker 2 (02:05:46):
Okay, we're just gonna go to the next one.
I got prodigy one more time atnumber one for betrayal.
I think prodigy would soundgreat over betrayal.
And then I got naz and Madea.
Right after that On Next Time Igot Rock, MJ and OC and on In
Memory Of I got Big Nas and Kane.
So that was just a little fun Iwas having.
(02:06:07):
I'm going to post the listafterwards.
I think it's a top 20 rap albumof all time.
Speaker 3 (02:06:13):
A couple quick thoughts.
That was a fire concept that'sgoing to come into play later.
Speaker 1 (02:06:18):
It's crazy how we all on the same wavelength that is
a very creative thought, but italso gives credence to me
feeling like it's not a classicbecause we just took Guru off of
every song and replaced hisvoice.
Don't do that.
Speaker 3 (02:06:32):
Sean, that was an exercise.
Did Coop freeze?
There you go.
A lot of Bahamadi love on yourlist, coop.
If I heard right, it wasn't anyAZ or Big L on here.
I'm here.
Speaker 4 (02:06:50):
It wasn't an AZ.
No, not AZ or Big L yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:06:52):
Yeah.
We got some super chats as well.
Fellas Coop, you there.
Speaker 2 (02:07:02):
There you go, all right.
Speaker 3 (02:07:08):
I think he froze again, Froze again.
Coop Might have to hop out andhop back in.
Speaker 1 (02:07:14):
Let's get a super chat real quick.
Speaker 3 (02:07:17):
Double barrier.
It's a classic that does seem abit long.
Their best, I mean to hold upthat level of consistency
through 20 tracks is difficult.
Speaker 1 (02:07:27):
Yes, I would not argue with anyone saying it's a
classic.
I would not Straight up anddown.
Speaker 3 (02:07:34):
You're raising your head with the $5 Super Chat.
We appreciate you, man.
If Moment of Truth was a MobbDeep album, where would it rank
in their catalog?
I ask the same question forTribe, called Quest, as well.
Speaker 1 (02:07:46):
Again, that's another good question, because you're
taking Guru out the frame.
You're taking Guru away from itand you're replacing Guru with
other MCs.
Yeah, that's another question.
Would you want to hear MobbDeep on every track, though, of
this album?
Speaker 3 (02:08:07):
The production.
You don't get to say Mobb Deepover Primo production as you do
over Havoc production.
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:08:16):
Square point, though we got Raisin Head sean is guru
the reason?
Speaker 3 (02:08:23):
uh, you don't think it's a classic?
Speaker 1 (02:08:26):
I think that's the reason ag and coop just shared
as well.
I mean, they just replaced gurualmost every track.
Speaker 3 (02:08:33):
Rest in peace, guru coop did a dope little concept
exercise.
Speaker 2 (02:08:38):
Man Sean tried to turn this into something else
all I'm saying is is that ifPrimo doesn't work on this album
, where do these beats go?
Because there's obviously guysthat are going to take them
that's a perfect transition.
Speaker 3 (02:08:55):
Is that all the super chat, so we can slide to the
next main event?
Okay, fun fact freddie fox wassupposed to be in gangstar and
not guru.
I, I did know that, but thanksfor the super chat.
That's dope.
Um, yeah, it's crazy how he'son the same wavelength coop
because, for you know, sayingour main event today, we had
another little fun exercise.
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Um, me and sean was having aconversation and he was bringing
up the big j and nas recordsthat primo gave to them and how
impactful those records was totheir careers.
And then I started talkingabout how the narrative was a
lot during that time that primogave his best beats outside of
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the camp, a gang star, and yourpoint was that he kept the best
beats for guru.
So in me and sean'sconversation I thought you know
what would be dope between jaynaz and big primo did 20 tracks.
It's 20 tracks on moment oftruth.
So I said let's put moment oftruth through the gauntlet and
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match it up versus style anddon't think about the MCs,
because a lot of times who's ona track can elevate it.
But if we take, say, take Nasout of the equation, take Guru
out of the equation here, onthat side of things, which one
is the better produced track?
So I don't have any vote inthis.
I don't have any dog in thefight, because I curated the
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matchups.
You know what I'm saying.
I tried to match them up asbest as possible with the.
You know vibes and energy andyou know the sound and stuff and
the quality of the track.
So, coop, when you did yourexercise and you was putting
certain MCs on certain tracksand you was putting certain MCs
on certain tracks, some of thematchups is going to, like you
know, spark to your brain.
We was thinking on the samewavelength or whatever.
Speaker 2 (02:10:45):
Okay, Okay, I see Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:10:48):
So, chad, we're going to need your help because I
don't get to be the third votebecause, like I said, I came up
with the matchups, these firstcouple of matchups, or whatever,
but you know, I tried to makeit progressively more difficult
to choose as we go along throughthe battle.
Speaker 1 (02:11:03):
So, Chad, we'll need your input.
It's like Cooper, not meth fora shelf, like there's no right
or wrong answer, just more so,right.
Speaker 3 (02:11:11):
Because I don't even know what the matchup looked
like.
Right, yeah, so they don't haveno clue.
This is blind.
I'm the only person who youknow what I'm saying.
I clue this is blind.
I'm the only person who youknow I'm saying I curated the
matchups.
We don't know.
This information has beenhidden from us, right?
So we'll see what my person, uh, my personal thought is that
sean will lean into the jay-z,nas and big tracks coop will
lean to the you know moment oftruth tracks because you hold it
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as a top 20 album.
But these matchups get tougheras they go along, so let's get
it kicked off.
If you're all ready, let's goahead.
First couple rounds, orwhatever Round one.
We got Beat Breaks by Nasversus she Knows what she Wants
off the Moment of Truth album.
Speaker 2 (02:11:50):
She knows what she wants.
Speaker 1 (02:11:52):
Yeah, she knows what she wants, okay yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:11:56):
So that was an easy one.
Like I said, these first couplerounds is fairly easy.
Speaker 1 (02:12:01):
You want me to poll them as well you can okay, I'll
get the second one up, okay,alright, let's go next round.
Speaker 3 (02:12:11):
Define my name by Nas versus my advice to you off the
moment of truth out my adviceto you off the moment of truth,
out my advice to you who.
That's what he has, what yougot, sean.
My advice to you, yeah, Okay,so we'll count that you don't
even have to poll that one,right?
Speaker 1 (02:12:34):
Yeah, let's just poll the ones.
Speaker 3 (02:12:35):
That's a discussion.
Let's just poll the ones thaty'all you know are in
disagreement on.
Let me split them, okay?
All right, that'll be the thirdvote.
All right, now we're startingto get to business a little bit.
Friend of foe 98, specifically98 by jay-z off volume one
versus new york straight talk onmoment of truth friend of foe,
(02:12:59):
Picking the beat right Only thebeat.
Speaker 2 (02:13:03):
I'll give Friend of Four 98 that one.
Speaker 1 (02:13:09):
Okay yeah, not by a lot, not by a lot, but it's
there.
Speaker 3 (02:13:12):
This is easy.
Like I said, it's going to getprogressively more difficult as
we go along.
Speaker 1 (02:13:16):
Friend of Four is crazy.
Listen to it, that's crazy.
Yeah, friend of Four.
Speaker 3 (02:13:20):
The original Friend of Four is crazy.
Listen to it, that's crazy.
Yeah, friend of Four, roundfour the original Friend of Four
.
Off Reasonable Doubt by Jayversus the Rep Grows Bigger off.
Moment of Truth.
Speaker 2 (02:13:32):
Rep Grows Bigger.
Speaker 3 (02:13:37):
I ain't mad at it.
Sean's more than a friend.
Speaker 2 (02:13:41):
I went to hear the beat again.
Speaker 1 (02:13:44):
The original friend of foe beat is not like that
it's a little lower grade andagain, I'm trying to separate as
much as I can the MC from thebeat.
It's tough to do.
So what's your pick, sean?
The beat it's tough to do.
It is what's your pick, sean?
(02:14:06):
I can't go.
Friend of Fall.
Rep grows bigger.
I agree with Kool.
Friend of Fall, the first oneis not the best.
Speaker 3 (02:14:14):
This is going to show how the moment of truth stacks
up.
Production Roz because we'reputting it through the gauntlet
this will be able to tell, isthe difference maker, guru, and
who rhymes on the other track.
So that's why we're doing thisround number five yeah, round
number five.
Come get me by Nas offNostradamus versus the mall from
moment of truth.
Speaker 1 (02:14:36):
I gotta go, come, get me go in the mall.
Speaker 3 (02:14:39):
I hate that, beat we have me go in the mall.
I hate that beat.
We have to poll it.
The mall, the mall.
Shout out to Jack.
Jack should love this segmentlet me see the mall.
Come get me what we doing first.
One to 20 20 votes, 20 pieces,fine.
Speaker 2 (02:15:01):
What are we doing First?
One to 20 votes 20 pieces, fine.
The 14% of you that said Momentof Truth is not a classic.
I want you stricken from thetrap for life.
Find you niggas out in thestreet, open hand slapping.
Speaker 1 (02:15:16):
Let's see, let's post it in there.
Speaker 2 (02:15:18):
We can all keep going .
Speaker 1 (02:15:20):
AJ and just come back to it, Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:15:25):
You want to get that for a week, Cause in case we got
a poll the next one, can't yourun?
Speaker 1 (02:15:30):
multiple polls, Only one at a time.
Yo, it's happening.
Yo can y'all see it?
Speaker 3 (02:15:38):
It's the first one to 20 y'all see it, it's true, our
first one to 20 didn't call it.
Speaker 2 (02:15:43):
No, I mean we can go to the next one and we'll just
pull it up.
Okay, all right, bet.
Speaker 3 (02:15:49):
Round number six rap phenomenon that's Biggie off the
posthumous Born Again albumfeaturing Method man and Red man
.
Speaker 1 (02:15:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:15:59):
Versus BI, versus Friendship, featuring MOP on
Moment of Truth.
Speaker 2 (02:16:14):
Taking BI versus Friendship.
Speaker 1 (02:16:25):
Yeah, I agree with.
Speaker 2 (02:16:28):
Cole, okay, the mall beat.
Come and get me.
By the way, did it?
Okay?
55 to 45.
Speaker 1 (02:16:37):
All right, close.
I think that's Nas fans keepingit close, though, all right.
Speaker 3 (02:16:40):
Speaking of Nas, round number seven, new York
State of Mind.
Part 2 from I Am versus whatI'm here For, off the moment of
truth.
Speaker 1 (02:16:51):
State of Mind Part 2.
State of Mind Part 2, baby Comeon.
Speaker 2 (02:16:58):
Yeah, barely, but.
Speaker 3 (02:17:00):
I love.
Speaker 2 (02:17:00):
what I'm here for Don't get it twisted, I love it.
Speaker 3 (02:17:03):
That's a hard record right there it is.
Speaker 1 (02:17:05):
That's a tough one.
That's a tough one.
Speaker 3 (02:17:09):
Alright, moving on Round number eight.
Ten Crack Commandments by Bigversus Next Time off the Moment
of Truth.
Ten Crack Commandments.
Speaker 1 (02:17:19):
Ten Crack Commandments.
Ten Crack Commandments, that'shigh level right there, that's
up there.
Speaker 2 (02:17:27):
That's one of his five best beats.
Speaker 1 (02:17:29):
It could very well be that beat is tough.
Speaker 3 (02:17:36):
Round number nine Bring it On by Jay off
reasonable doubt versus makethem pay off the moment of truth
.
Speaker 1 (02:17:45):
make them pay is tough.
Man make them pay is prettytough.
Make them pay is tough.
Speaker 2 (02:17:52):
I'm going make them pay, yeah make them pay make
them pay is tough alright sothat's okay.
Round number 10 let's slow itdown a little bit you can poll
that one if you want to, becausea lot of people in the chat.
Speaker 1 (02:18:11):
Bring it on versus make them pay you want to go
ahead and put that one up?
Speaker 2 (02:18:17):
yeah, let the people decide, because a lot of people
are saying, bring it on.
Okay, you want to go ahead andput that one up?
Yeah, let the people decide,because a lot of people are
saying, bring it on.
Speaker 3 (02:18:25):
Okay, so while they're doing that, all right,
you good Sean.
Yeah, we're going to slow itdown a little bit.
Like I said, trying to matchvibes, we got round number 10.
Second Childhood by Nas offSteelmatic matic versus betrayal
featuring scarface or a momentof truth I'm sorry, say that
(02:18:52):
again.
Speaker 2 (02:18:52):
I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you said.
Speaker 3 (02:18:53):
I'm sorry, say that again second childhood off of
still matic by Nas versusBetrayal featuring Scarface off
Moment of Truth.
Slowing it down a little bit onthis matchup, it's Betrayal
Going Betrayal.
Yeah, I'm going Betrayal.
Speaker 1 (02:19:17):
I gotta go.
Second Childhood man Alright,once this other poll is closed,
we gonna have to open that one.
Speaker 3 (02:19:20):
I gotta go.
Second childhood man.
All right, Once this other pollis closed, we gonna have to
open that one.
Speaker 2 (02:19:24):
Oh, okay, make them.
Pay is up 53 to 47 right now,with 15 votes in.
Speaker 1 (02:19:31):
Yeah, we can call that one in.
Speaker 2 (02:19:33):
Now it's 50-50.
Nope, I'll say 50-50.
Come on, somebody close it outfor us, somebody close it out
for us, somebody close it out.
I'll write that one down, we'llcome back to it.
Second Childhood, secondChildhood and Betrayal and
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Betrayal Yep.
Speaker 3 (02:20:01):
Who won the other one ?
I can't see it up on the Bringit on and Is that a gridlock?
Speaker 2 (02:20:07):
Is that a?
Speaker 1 (02:20:08):
gridlock.
Yeah, that's wild, do we callit?
Speaker 3 (02:20:17):
We gotta let one get to 51% Right.
We can call it a draw, we callit.
We got to let one get to 51%Right.
Speaker 1 (02:20:21):
We can call it a draw .
We can call it a draw, thatmight be the first draw.
Nope.
Speaker 2 (02:20:27):
Bring it on.
Just broke the gridlock.
All right, we'll take it.
Bring it on Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:20:33):
Bring it on, all right.
Speaker 3 (02:20:37):
Next one is Second Childhood, second Childhood,
second Childhood Betrayal.
Speaker 1 (02:20:48):
Betrayal.
Alright.
What's the next?
Speaker 3 (02:20:53):
one Round 11 Nas.
I Gave you Power Off.
It Was Written vs Robin HoodTheory Off Moment of Truth.
I Gave you Power Off.
It Was Written versus RobinHood Theory Off Moment of Truth.
Speaker 2 (02:21:04):
I Gave you Power.
Yeah, I think that might be hismost underrated beat.
Actually it is.
Speaker 3 (02:21:10):
It is.
It's real sad, real sad.
It matches the tone of the songit does.
Speaker 2 (02:21:16):
It's underrated because people don't even know
that it's him.
Speaker 3 (02:21:19):
Right, it doesn't have a signature premier sound.
It doesn't All right this.
This is the point of the battle.
Where but?
Speaker 2 (02:21:26):
also to a signature per premier.
Sound would have hurt.
It was written as overall soundand scope, so it's still
execution, especially in 96.
Speaker 3 (02:21:35):
It would have it would have Very good point, yeah
, very good point.
So this it would have signedout very good point.
So this is the part of thebattle where it really heats up
from here on out.
It's crazy.
Alright, number 12, roundnumber 12.
So Ghetto by Jay-Z off volume 3versus.
It's A Set Up off Moment ofTruth.
I love so.
Speaker 2 (02:21:57):
Ghetto, I do too.
I'm with Soghetto on thatactually.
Speaker 1 (02:22:02):
I gotta go Soghetto.
Speaker 2 (02:22:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:22:04):
Soghetto's actually one of my favorite.
Speaker 2 (02:22:08):
Soghetto's, one of my favorite J records.
Speaker 1 (02:22:11):
It is one of my favorite J records, for real.
Speaker 2 (02:22:12):
Yeah, see me in the streets with no bodyguard, just
two big guns, though the body issmall.
Speaker 3 (02:22:20):
Listen, this is Primo competing with himself, Like
did he give the best beats toother people outside the camp or
keep them for Guru in theirmagnum opus?
This is where it heats up Roundnumber 13.
Memory Lane versus In Memory Of.
Speaker 1 (02:22:44):
Memory Lane.
Speaker 2 (02:22:44):
Memory Lane.
Memory Lane is memory laneversus a memory of memory lane.
Memory lane memory lane is oneof those man, it's one of those.
It's one of those beat wise,it's one of those.
Yeah, yeah, like lyrically it'sthat, but beat wise, it's that
too and it doesn't even soundlike another primor track.
Speaker 1 (02:22:55):
It doesn't fit what he was doing it.
Speaker 2 (02:22:57):
That's, that's, that's fair, that's right I
think ilmatic is when his soundgot established, though, because
when people are like, well, hegave nas and big and all those
guys better beats, it's like,yeah, when he was done with the
gangsta album, like he did thisin between two gangsta albums
and and then he blew up so hedid hold everything, like from
95 to 98, he held everything forguru okay, so did we get a
(02:23:20):
winner on Second Childhoodversus Betrayal?
Speaker 3 (02:23:22):
I'll let you check.
Speaker 2 (02:23:24):
Let's check Second Childhood's winning, although.
I don't agree, you can go aheadand call that it's too far
ahead.
It's 69-31 with 15.
69, yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:23:33):
Big J and Nas is on a run.
They got the last handful ofrounds.
All right, coop, I'm going toask you this you know my Steez,
when you said, did your exerciseat MC's, who did you pick as
the number one for that record,big?
Speaker 2 (02:23:47):
Big, big name all over it.
Speaker 3 (02:23:52):
So for round 14, I got Kickin' the Door versus.
You Know my Steez Kickin' theDoor man.
Speaker 2 (02:23:58):
Kickin'.
You Know my Steez Kickin' thedoor man.
Kicking.
You know my Steve's Kicking thedoor man.
Let's put it in the polls.
Speaker 1 (02:24:04):
Let's put it in the polls.
That's a tough one.
That's a tough one.
I ain't gonna lie.
That's a tough one.
Speaker 3 (02:24:09):
Put it in the polls.
Put it in the polls.
Speaker 2 (02:24:13):
Yeah, see, y'all are thinking about Big's mic
performance.
Y'all ain't thinking about thebeat, the mic performance.
Speaker 3 (02:24:17):
I ain't thinking about the beat, no, I love the
beat.
That's my second favoritepremiere beat of all time.
My top three is Above theClouds Kicking the Door, and
then New York.
State of Mind.
That's my top three.
Speaker 2 (02:24:30):
You know my C's might be my favorite Gangstar record
Period.
Speaker 1 (02:24:35):
No, my C's is crazy.
I was thinking about.
Speaker 3 (02:24:37):
Nas' Like, Nas' Like would be in there, three or four
, something like that.
Speaker 1 (02:24:40):
But yeah, I just pulled that.
That's a bit tough one, man,yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:24:47):
Go to the next one.
That poll is going to happenfast.
Speaker 1 (02:24:49):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3 (02:24:51):
Round number 15.
Jay-z, the intro, a million andone questions slash rhyme no
more versus royalty off momentof truth Taking royalty.
Speaker 2 (02:25:00):
Actually one question slash rhyme no more versus
royalty off.
Moment of Truth.
Taking royalty, actually youtaking royalty, I am.
Speaker 3 (02:25:07):
I love a million and one.
And it's switched to rhyme, nomore.
Speaker 2 (02:25:12):
I love royalty, though, because royalty is one
of Premiere's best beats.
That doesn't sound like a primobeat, though.
Speaker 1 (02:25:18):
It doesn't, and that's why I have to go with Jay
.
Man, I have to go with Jay onthis.
I got to go with Rhyme, no More.
Speaker 3 (02:25:26):
We'll have to pause that and put that one in a poll
after this other one.
Speaker 1 (02:25:32):
Yeah, Rhyme no More and Royalty right.
Yeah, Kicking the door, 53% sofar.
Did we call it?
It's six now.
Speaker 2 (02:25:42):
No, no, no no, no, I want to wait.
Speaker 3 (02:25:45):
How many votes does it have, though?
Does it have more than 20?
Speaker 2 (02:25:48):
Kicking the door.
One it's 58 to 42.
Yeah, 58 to 42.
All right, we're looking betterthan a million and one.
I'm sorry guys, I know man thatmillion and one, y'all ain't
thinking about Jay.
Y'all ain't thinking about thebeat.
Speaker 1 (02:26:00):
I'm trying to compartmentalize it, man.
Speaker 3 (02:26:03):
It's the beat switch for me.
I'm a sucker for a beat switch.
Speaker 2 (02:26:07):
I'm a sucker for a beat switch too, but that beat
the royalty.
The beat the royalty is sosilky and so smooth.
It's like if you were to justdrop that record and be like DJ
Premier made that beat, he'd belike no, he didn't.
Speaker 3 (02:26:19):
It's a top five record for me on the album.
Speaker 1 (02:26:24):
Let's put it out there, let that marinate.
Speaker 3 (02:26:29):
Y'all ready to go to the next round?
Yep, let's get it.
Round number 16,.
We got Represent by Nas ofIllmatic versus the Militia,
featuring Freddie Fox on Momentof Truth.
Speaker 1 (02:26:43):
I got to take it.
You going Militia, I'll go.
Represent.
Speaker 3 (02:26:48):
We might be pulling all these last matchups.
Speaker 1 (02:26:54):
And Militia is tough, but I love Represent.
Represent one of my favoritesongs of all time.
Yep, I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 2 (02:26:59):
I don't love Represent the way everybody else
does.
Speaker 3 (02:27:03):
Represent is the most energy on Illmatic.
Speaker 2 (02:27:07):
But it's the third best beat that Primo gave him on
Illmatic I have it above MemoryLane.
Speaker 3 (02:27:14):
I do too.
Oh, I don't.
It's Nas' rapping performanceon Memory Lane that puts it up
over top of it.
Militia is special man, butRepresent I don't.
I don't.
It's Nas' rapping performanceon Memory Lane that puts it over
top of it.
Speaker 1 (02:27:21):
Militia is special man, but represent.
Speaker 2 (02:27:25):
Okay, royalties up 60-40 with 15 votes in what the
hell.
Speaker 3 (02:27:34):
I love Sean rooting for Jay-Z.
I'm not rooting for Jay, I'mrooting for Cream.
Speaker 1 (02:27:42):
So we're going to do so.
We call him.
Speaker 3 (02:27:45):
Royalty.
We call him Royalty on this one.
Speaker 2 (02:27:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:27:48):
Royalty Represent versus Militia Yep.
Speaker 3 (02:27:57):
Alright, oh, for everybody in the chat, I, you
know, saying, got these jointsin a playlist, this versus
matchup and playlist for Spotifyand Apple music.
So tonight I'll be puttingthose on socials so y'all can
listen to them joints foryourself no ready for the next
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one all right round.
Number 17 unbelievable by bigoff of ready to die versus work
off of moment of truth goingunbelievable.
Speaker 2 (02:28:33):
I love that beat.
Speaker 1 (02:28:33):
That's one of my favorites work is good, though,
man, work is crazy.
Work is crazy.
Man, I got to go.
Unbelievable is special.
Work is good.
Speaker 2 (02:28:52):
Okay, people forget so Unbelievable is one of those
beats that, stylistically, whenit came out, we'd never heard.
Came out, we'd never heardanything like that.
Never heard it.
We'd never heard those types ofsounds being used that he used
on Unbelievable no you didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:29:08):
You hadn't heard those sounds before you got a
glimpse of it.
You got a glimpse of it with JRool, with some of the
production he did with J Rool,but not in full throttle like
Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (02:29:18):
Right, he was on some other shit that day when he
made Unbelievable Last recordthat got made for the album.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:29:26):
Rightfully so.
Yep, crunch time Alright.
So we, you both wentUnbelievable on that.
So moving on Round number 18.
This is my personal favoriteround the Evils by Jay-Z on
Reasonable Doubt versus JFK toLAX A moment of truth.
Speaker 2 (02:29:48):
I'm going to go to Evils.
Man, when I picked Jay for JFKto LAX, the Evils was the record
that I was thinking.
Speaker 3 (02:29:55):
That's why I was smiling the whole time you was
talking Coop because I was likeyo.
This is lining up with what Iheard in my matchups.
Speaker 2 (02:30:02):
Does the sample count as part of the beat?
Absolutely, then I would givethe Evils the edge, because that
Snoop, the Prodigy spice isjust flawless execution.
But I tell you, the beats are atie, but the mix and the
scratches on the Snoop andProdigy sample is the tiebreaker
for me.
So I tell you the evils.
Speaker 1 (02:30:24):
The evils is another high level.
It's hard.
It's hard to beat that.
Speaker 3 (02:30:28):
So you're going to evils too, sean, absolutely.
So yeah, when you said thatCoop, you put Jay as your number
one, that made me smile becauseI was like, okay, my ear was
telling me right Because Inumber one.
That made me smile because Iwas like, okay, my ear was
telling me right, because I waslike these two the vibe is in
the same vein.
It's very Jay-Z-esque.
Same vibe?
Yep, sure is.
Sure is so it's funny how thatlined up unintentionally Round
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number 19, nas, the original NewYork State of Mind off Illmatic
, versus my personal favorite,primo beat Above the Clouds off
Moment of Truth.
Speaker 1 (02:31:02):
What's your finales?
Again, I'm sorry, new YorkState of Mind.
Speaker 3 (02:31:07):
Oh, New York State of Mind.
Speaker 1 (02:31:09):
You said that kind of quick Because, honestly, I was
never a huge, huge fan of Abovethe Clouds.
Speaker 2 (02:31:17):
I'm going to say Above the Clouds, we're going to
have to poll that.
Hold on.
First of all, represent.
Beat the militia by 71 to 20guys.
Take that down.
Take that down Above the clouds.
New York state of mind.
Let's throw it up for debate.
Speaker 1 (02:31:37):
You know I can't go against New York state of mind.
Y'all have to understand thatright.
But we just talking about thebeat, though I know Exactly yeah
.
Speaker 3 (02:31:47):
Wow, I got a butt of clouds, but I don't have a vote.
Speaker 1 (02:31:52):
I just think that New York State Amar, it just
represents New York.
So much man it smells like NewYork.
Speaker 3 (02:32:00):
So much man.
It smells like it.
New York has to hit different.
Speaker 1 (02:32:03):
When you hear it, it smells like it Right.
Speaker 2 (02:32:05):
I was about to say, it probably feels different for
you as a native New Yorker, thanit does for us still to hear it
with hip-hop fans right, yeah.
See, we're attached to theartistic merit and execution of
him bringing us into that NewYork state of mind.
You are a New Yorker and sothat New York state of mind is
different For us.
It's being invited into a world.
(02:32:27):
You have already been a part ofthe world so it probably hits
different.
Speaker 1 (02:32:31):
You can smell that shit right now.
That beat.
It smells like trash out here,that's fair.
Speaker 2 (02:32:40):
When he said or either on Betting Grants, with
the C-Lo champs laughing at baseheads trying to sell some
broken amps Like oh no, no, no,no, you can smell the piss from
the staircase, you can smell thepiss from the staircase.
It's like, oh no, no, it'sreally pissy around here okay.
Speaker 1 (02:32:54):
You see this redhead running across the street like
yo.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, redheadrunning across the street like
yo.
Speaker 2 (02:32:58):
Yeah, yeah, chuck a dick for VCR and all that.
Speaker 1 (02:33:03):
Yeah, I don't see that.
But yeah, I get it Sorry.
Speaker 2 (02:33:06):
Sorry, that was that's the west side of
Charlotte.
That's west side of Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (02:33:10):
That's west side of Charlotte, but we still have to
compartmentalize the song Nasfrom the actual beat itself, so
I do get that part Okay we Nasfrom the actual beat itself.
Speaker 2 (02:33:22):
So I do get that part of it.
Okay, we're 16 votes in.
We're 50-50.
Speaker 3 (02:33:24):
So let's go to the last one.
All right, the last round,Round number 20.
Nas is like off of I Am one ofmy personal favorites versus the
title track Moment of Truth.
Speaker 2 (02:33:38):
Okay, so I'm going to start out with okay, so, okay,
so anytime start out with okayso.
So I was never a big okay, soI'm not the fan of the Nas' like
beat that everybody else is andI'm just gonna leave it right
there, you just said that, causeSeagull said that on Hot 97.
Speaker 3 (02:33:54):
It was too happy.
Speaker 2 (02:33:55):
That's the only reason why you said it changed
everything.
Too happy, too happy.
But that's the only reason whyyou said it Changed everything.
Too happy, too happy.
But I will tell you that it'sstill better than the Moment of
Truth beat, in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (02:34:07):
Moment of Truth is arguably the best record on the
album.
Speaker 2 (02:34:11):
It is Nas' Like is pretty special.
Speaker 3 (02:34:14):
I still got Nas' Like , but Moment of Truth is heavy.
I think Nas' Like is betterlike.
Speaker 1 (02:34:18):
But moment of truth is heavy, I think not.
Not like it's better and it'ssad because not like was to your
point, ag, when, all when beansmade that comment.
That's when we start hearingthe narrative about not speak
bad beats.
Shortly after that, thatcomment on nas is like was a
catalyst to not speak bad beatsbecause of nostradamus and
because everything I thought itwas around before that, but it
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surely didn't help.
Speaker 3 (02:34:41):
Definitely didn't help.
Speaker 1 (02:34:43):
No, definitely not, they clowned it.
They clowned that joint.
Speaker 3 (02:34:47):
That's one of the greatest records.
Speaker 2 (02:34:49):
Somebody break this tie between New York State of
Mind and Above the Clouds please.
It's 50-50.
Speaker 1 (02:34:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:34:56):
There's 76 of you in here, just hit the button.
Somebody hit the button HitAbove.
Yeah, the worst.
There's 76 of you in here, justhit the button.
Somebody hit the button Hitabove the clouds.
Speaking of hitting buttons,hit like and subscribe if you
haven't done that already, andthen some asshole hit New York
State of Mind when I just saidsomething.
Speaker 3 (02:35:13):
So New York State of Mind won.
Speaker 2 (02:35:15):
Okay, I want to let you know what a real special
asshole did.
Somebody hit New York State ofMind and then the other person
hit above the clouds to make iteven again, and then the person
that hit above the clouds tooktheir boat away.
Speaker 1 (02:35:27):
So if you're going on in the chat, that's why nobody
liked it, new York State of Mind, and this stand is still at 53.
Speaker 2 (02:35:39):
That's a conspiracy.
We got to give these guys theRico for this or something.
Speaker 3 (02:35:47):
So the Biggie Jay-Z and Nas collaboration songs got
14 out of 20 rounds and theMoment of Truth album got six
rounds.
But I'll almost be inclined togive one round to y'all, because
y'all took it to the chat eventhough y'all both voted
otherwise.
Speaker 2 (02:36:06):
So well, also, too, a lot of these records got made,
I believe pre preem, like makingthis moment of truth stuff.
It's like, well, the stuffthat's on ready to die, illmatic
and reasonable doubt.
You know what I stuff.
It's like, well, the stuffthat's on ready to die, ilmatic
and reasonable doubt.
You know what I'm saying.
It's like the stuff that's on Iam is is more comparable time
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wise.
The stuff that's on volume oneis more comparable time wise.
The stuff that's on life afterdeath, the stuff that's on the
18th letter, that would be thestuff like so for me, I wouldn't
necessarily pull the stuff fromillmatic.
That is like it's crazy that itseems like, well, it was four
years apart but it's a wholenother world yeah, the
(02:36:49):
conversation is if moment oftruth is his zenith as a
producer.
Speaker 3 (02:36:53):
You know, if we put that album through the gauntlet
of some of his other bestproduced tracks for more notable
mcs, what does that look like?
And I didn't expect moment oftruth to win, but I was more
interested in seeing how closeit was well, here's the thing
about it.
Speaker 2 (02:37:08):
Is that, well, the stuff that's in those artists
catalog, that's their best stuff, and so that actually lets you
know how strong moment of truthis the fact that it's competing
with jay and Nas' best stuff?
Speaker 3 (02:37:19):
Yeah, it was majorly instrumental no pun intended,
instrumental in their earlycareers.
Big time, all three of them.
It's like Primo was a rite ofpassage, like you know, on their
debuts and that Big Jay and Nasall had to go through pre to
create their classics.
Speaker 1 (02:37:36):
He helped orchestrate the sound of the golden era of
New York hip-hop.
He was from Texas.
He's a pillar to that.
Honestly, he's one of thepillars to that and it's not
many producers you can say thatare a pillar to that.
He's one of them.
Him RZA, who else?
(02:37:57):
Lars Pro?
Yeah, these guys are pillars.
I mean Pete Rock, Pete Rock.
Speaker 2 (02:38:05):
Those would be the five guys.
When people talk about EastCoast hip-hop to me from the era
that I grew up in, I knowMarley Hall proceeds, but for me
I was taught Lars ProfessorQ-Tip Havoc.
Primo RZA Havoc.
Speaker 3 (02:38:21):
Those are the guys and that's what makes Illmatic
special Cause he had 75% ofthose people curate that one out
.
Speaker 2 (02:38:28):
Yeah, and this is what I keep telling people about
.
It was written.
No, he's not wrong.
He subbed out Q-tip for Havoc.
Subbed out Q-tip for Havoc.
Primo's still on there, I haveit.
Speaker 3 (02:38:38):
Cream is still on there, you know what I'm saying.
No, lars Pro, lars Pro gotsubbed out for Trackmasters.
Speaker 2 (02:38:43):
We can talk about that.
Talk about that behind thescenes.
We'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (02:38:47):
What do you get?
What do you get?
96 RZA on.
It Was Written.
Speaker 2 (02:38:52):
Oh my God, not fair.
It's Chico shit.
Speaker 3 (02:38:55):
Chico Can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (02:38:57):
Chico.
Speaker 1 (02:38:58):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:39:01):
All right, fellas Anything before we get out of
here.
Speaker 3 (02:39:03):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (02:39:05):
All right.
Speaker 3 (02:39:05):
Great show fellas.
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Great week guys.
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Speaker 1 (01:40):
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you got in your heart.
It's a dedicated to thecoalition Right.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Right Hashtag.
That's a new strategy.
I haven't heard of that oneCool, but if it works, yeah, put
all your haters together,hashtag, fuck your team.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
We're going to uh, we're going to kind of kick
things off.
We're going to format things alittle bit differently today,
guys.
We're kind of actually going tostart off by doing something
that we always share on Twitterevery week to actually start off
the mornings before the show,which is the Bar Seminar.
For those of you who are notfamiliar with the Bar Seminar,
the Bar Seminar is Sean, ag andI's essential hip-hop quotable
(02:23):
for the month or for the week.
So every week, sean picks averse, ag picks a verse, I pick
a verse, and that's kind of ourbar seminar for the week.
This week, I actually pickedsomebody who we are going to be
talking about frequentlythroughout the course of this
show Old Dirty Bastard's verseon Brooklyn Zoo.
(02:43):
Old Dirty Bastard's verse onBrooklyn Zoo.
Like most people in our agedemographic in bracket who are
familiar with Old Dirty Bastard,this is probably the song that
we're most synonymous with interms of his rapping style.
Would that be a fair assessmentin terms of, like the actual
rapper?
That is ODB?
(03:04):
This is the song that weassociate with that, and so this
is my bar seminar, because I'llnever forget when I was in 10th
grade and Michael Hubbard and Iwere having an argument about
who the best rapper in Wu-Tangwas, and he was like, well, when
old dirty bastard raps, he'sthe best rapper.
And I was like, nah.
He was like go listen toBrooklyn Zoo.
(03:25):
And every time I listen toBrooklyn Zoo I go back to when
he says that and I always say tomyself it's like well, I don't
know if he's right, but he damnsure not wrong.
Every time after I listen toBrooklyn Zoo that was my bar
seminar for the week was OldDirty Bastard with Brooklyn Zoo,
and we'll be unpacking that alittle bit further a little bit
later on in the show.
But that's what I got to get uskicked off CG yeah, man, um, I
(03:50):
picked Inspector Deck, anotherWu-Tang member, off.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Uh, above the Clouds, a feature record on an album
that we'll talk to again later.
Um, uh, talk about again lateris a moment of truth.
And this record alwaysfascinated me.
It's actually my favorite djpremiere beat of all time and I
know you know he has a plethoraof beats you can pick from, but
this is my personal favorite.
(04:15):
But this song always fascinatedme because, you know, the who
kept everything in house, youknow, even features.
They would never really jumpoutside of the camp, you know,
and this is what I consider tobe one of Dex's best verses of
his career, and it's not even ona Wu record, you know what I'm
saying.
So, and it was just dope tohear him on something that
(04:37):
wasn't a RZA production, so itwas refreshing in its own way.
If I heard Deco on Pete Rockproduction or premiere
production, it was, you know, itwas something in its own way.
If I heard deck on Pete rockproduction or premier production
, it was, you know, it wassomething to get excited about.
Inversely, how we talked abouton the last show, biggie ramen
over RZA production on long kiss, good night.
You know what I'm saying socause they kept everything so in
(04:59):
house.
So, yeah, that was my barseminar for the week.
My my, you know, butter clouds.
My favorite primo beat and deckis my favorite woo member of
all time and this is one of histop verses.
In my opinion, he killed itwithout my.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I had to double dip on my fellas.
I had to go with um once again.
It's on for jay and beans.
Um, I really, really wantedjust to give it to Beans, but
Jay went crazy on here as well.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
He wasn't as potent and as surgical as Beans.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
But Jay's moxie on his once again his own is
ridiculous.
You know what I mean.
Beans came into.
I feel like Beans came intothis song wanting to prove a
point that not only can he sparwith Jay, but he can get the
best of them if they're goingback and forth, because he took
the bulk of the song like he hadthe bulk of the bars, of course
, in his joint.
(05:53):
I think it was like two to oneratio when it came to the bars.
But Jay's moxie and hisconfidence, and this again, what
?
2005, when this album came outyou know by this time he's on
like.
You know he's somewhere else atthis point.
He's somewhere else as, as alegend.
(06:13):
Um solidified everything, ogall of that, and he just came in
and did his one, two step andstill has some of the best
quotables on that song.
Although beans did a phenomenaljob throughout the entire song
and I know, cook, this is one ofyour favorite albums of beans
as a whole andans went crazy onthis album, but once again, this
song really told me then.
It was like the.
To me it was like a full circlemoment for Beans, because it
(06:34):
showed you how great of alyricist and as a deliverer,
that Beans really is amongst oneof the greatest bitches, james,
so I really want to dump a dipon that one All right, Pete.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
First of all, Sean, we're proud of you for giving
Jay some props.
I'm actually putting Jay in abar seminar.
We are so very proud of youtoday.
He's my top five.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
He's my top five AG.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I think that Dex's verse on Above the Clouds might
be a top five verse for him, andthat's saying a lot.
It's definitely top 10.
It might be top five.
I can only think of three Topfive.
I can only think of threeverses that I prefer over it AG,
so you might be right.
It might be my fourth, so itmight be top five.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
We might be perfectly aligned on that.
I got triumph over it, I gotguillotines over it, and then I
got protect your neck over it.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Okay, see, okay, so I might have protect your neck
right after it.
I'm going to tell you the versethat I love of his.
I love his verse on Duel of theIron Mike on Liquid Swords
that's fire.
Yeah, I love the verse on Duelof the Iron Mike that's fire.
Yeah, I love the verse on Duelof the Iron Mike, but it's
R-Duel.
Yeah, those are all great barseminars this week, fellas.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Do y'all think the Beans sorry my fault.
Do y'all think the Beans andJ-Collab is their best?
I personally do.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I think it's number one If it's just those two.
Yes, Not Adam.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
You want to know what it is.
That's one of those underratedduo songs that doesn't get
talked about enough, kind oflike a double trouble by most.
In thought on, things fallapart where it's like two guys
really just get busy, reallyjust get busy.
And one of the beautiful thingabout that that record and why
I'm bringing up the thought anduh and yassine record is because
(08:28):
you can hear the guyscompetitively feeding off of
each other in a healthy way onthose records.
And so when you're sean, whenyou're talking about um, jay is
jay's moxie, it's like oh no, hehasn't wrapped with beans in
about a year or so.
You know what I'm saying.
It's been a no, he hasn'twrapped with beans in about a
year or so.
You know what I'm saying.
It's been a minute since he'sactually wrapped with beans
around this time of memory, sir.
(08:50):
And so he probably did walk inthere.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Like Jay's always bringing hisgame.
He did.
Yeah, it was like hold on, itwas one of those moments where
it's kind of like.
It's one of those things whereit's last year in the playoff,
(09:12):
where you know, and Edwards idolis Kevin Durant, but they're on
the court now and it's lookingat Katie like and you know
Katie's still in his prime, butat the end of his prime and
eight's at the peak of hispowers right now.
That's what the Beans' J recordis like.
It's like oh no.
J's still going to get you 30.
J's going to get you 30, butAnt's about to make him work for
(09:34):
that 30, guys, you know whatI'm saying?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
That's not an easy 30 .
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Not an easy 30.
Not an easy 30.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
In the past, that's the layout for Jay In the past.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Right, that's what I'm saying.
It's like, oh no, kd going toget 30 on hand, but it's like,
oh no, they're coming on 25shots.
He usually get 30 on 18 shots,yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
But that was a perfect analogy.
But to your point earlier, Sean, about the two-to-one ratio on
the bars, that's like KD gettinghis 30 on less shots, if you
feel what I'm saying when lessis more Great point.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I think Beans may have caught him by surprise,
because, Sean, I agree with youon this too.
That is that moment where yourealize it's like oh shit, Beans
is an all-time great MC.
Yeah, he's just not like thisera great.
It's like oh no, he's all timegreat he's all time okay, it's
all time great.
(10:32):
So yeah, and speaking of which,we have anniversary of what I
feel like his best album.
On march 29, 2005, he releasedthe becoming 20 year anniversary
for the album.
This is is his best project inmy opinion.
I could go on days about it.
I think anybody who follows mefollows this show knows that
Beans is one of my personalfavorites.
Hold him up high Feels like hecould have been top five all
(10:54):
time if not for some personalproblems and personal troubles
and a certain CEO slash rapartist.
So, with that being said, whatare your favorite records on the
Becoming and what is yourfavorite verse on the Becoming?
Sean, kick it off.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
You want to go AG.
Oh yeah, for me you know wetalked about it's on that's my
second favorite record behindFeel it In the Air.
I think Feel it In the Air isone of the greatest cerebral
hip-hop songs of all time.
You know, I'm saying, if thatmakes sense, like beans really
locked in for that song and Ithink that's his magnum opus as
(11:36):
far as like solo records, youknow, I mean his highest
performance.
Um, as far as, as far as thealbum as a whole, I do think
this is his best work.
Uh, you know, I'll give it afour and a half.
It's very close to a five.
Um, I just think when I, when Ithink about this album, I get a
(11:57):
little bit upset about itbecause it came at a bad time.
I try to imagine if this album,when it came out circa 2002 or
2000, going into 2003, when theRock were still flourishing
before the breakup it was just alot of things surrounding this
album.
He didn't want it released whenit was.
(12:21):
It was during the Rockefellerfallout.
He was in jail, it was just somany things that marred this
release.
It was, it was during therockefeller fallout.
He was in jail, it was just somany things that marred this
release, and it was just um, itwas just a bad look, man.
I think this.
I think in the annals ofhip-hop, this album would get
held a lot higher if it didn'tcome out during all that turmoil
that was going on with himselfas well as his uh you know um
(12:44):
label mates.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
So yeah no, I agree, man.
One of my joints on here is allone shot deal, um.
And I also love purple rain,the bum b.
It's hard.
Purple and bumpy is crazy man.
Again, that's beans going intoa different pocket and that's
showing that he can rhyme along,round along anybody, anyone.
And I've always felt that, evenwith this, he also had a joint
(13:07):
with Cam on here.
The last song of the album withCam on here after his own.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, running is crazy, crazy, Crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Running is almost as good as it's on.
Yes, because Cam showed up andyou think about all the features
that you have on this albumfrom Snoop Bun B, Cam Free, of
Course.
I think Petey is on there.
Petey, Moschino, Redman, Redman.
Everyone knew when you get onthis record with Beans, you got
(13:40):
to bring your A-game.
No one mailed it in because youhad to come with your A game
with beans.
If you don't come right withbeans, you're going to get
destroyed with beans, and thisis 2005.
This is beans.
I don't want to say past itsprime, but to your point, AG, it
was marred in a lot of thestuff that was going on with the
Rock.
The Rock at this time was done,to be quite honest.
(14:01):
A lot was going on.
So you kind of he's in themiddle of all of that.
He got Dame on one side, Jay onthe other side.
Kanye is out of here.
You know Dipset has taken offby now.
There's a lot going on andBeans was kind of left behind in
all of that stuff Because whenKanye took off, Beans kind of
took a step back Because he wasno longer Jay's sidekick at that
(14:25):
point or Jay's side-by-sidewith Jay anymore.
Kanye took that spot.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
And it was a lot of pressure on this as well,
because wasn't this the firstrelease on Dame Dash Music Group
?
Wasn't this the first release?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I think it was yeah, this is post.
Yeah, this is post-everything,this is post-graduation 2005.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Right, because when they split I know that the first
thing that the ones who wentwith Jay went I know the Bleak
album and the Young Guns albumcame out under Jay, but I think
the Beans album was what cameout under Dame but, like I said,
it couldn't even be promotedright with the situation going
on with them or whatever.
So it was a lot of pressure inthat too.
(15:07):
Um, being the first release onthe dame dash music group,
unless I'm mistaken, but I thinkit is the first release and in
real time, even though the splithad already like happened
happened.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
It was being pitched us like it was still ongoing.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Exactly, it was still unfolding.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Right.
The split had already happenedbehind closed doors.
It was getting presented to uslike a sprain or a fracture.
It's like, oh no, that shitbroke.
See you niggas, See you niggas.
Right, that's not how it gotkicked to us.
Sean, I want to piggyback offone one of your thoughts with
(15:47):
with my a couple of mine.
First of all, I think the bestactual verse on this album is
actually means verse on one shotdeal.
I love one shot deal.
I think that's the verse onthis album that would be the bar
seminar I would pick from thisalbum.
It's hard to stun on Redman,especially when Redman's a
feature artist, but that'sactually my point about this
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album.
Beans actually got the best ofeverybody on this album and
that's how you know he hadascended to all-time great MC
status Because, well, Redman,Cam, Jay, Puba, Bun B, Skino,
Petey Well, none of them soundas good as Beans do and he
actually did an excellent jobabout putting the artist in the
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right places.
And so I think in Snoop, evenon Don't Stop, and I think one
of the more underrated momentsof this album and I agree with
your four and a half rating, AGis actually the placement of the
artist on the songs Bun B onthe Purple Rain Joint that's
perfect placement for Bun.
You know.
Puba on Bread and Butter that'sperfect placement.
Who?
Speaker 3 (16:53):
else, like nobody was even reaching out to Puba
around that time.
Like he's one of the mostpopular, oh no.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
He pulled that one out Like Puba on Bread and
Butter is like the rabbit in thehat on the album where it's
like ooh, I wasn't expecting toget that.
The aha moment.
Yeah, that was like oh nice,pull, nice play.
This is booked in.
This album is booked in.
I know the album ends with theJay feature and with the Cam
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feature, but for me the album isbooked in by his two best
records.
In my opinion and that'sFeeling in the Air.
And Look at Me Now these arethe type of records that I feel
like only a prime Scarface couldachieve, and I think he might
even be more lyrically inclinedat his peak than a prime
Scarface.
Just lyrically speaking, Iagree.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
With the wordplay, with the wordplay With the
wordplay and the verbiage.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And so look at me now and feel it in the air are his
one and two records.
For me they're both on thisalbum and he's just special
special on those records becausehe's the MC's MC on there.
But he's also thoughtful.
He's also insightful.
He's also insightful.
He's also pulling at some ofyour heart strings.
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He's also giving you game.
Read their body language 85%.
Communication non-verbal 10%.
You know their story.
Man, love the five-time show.
You just know you pull theirstrings.
You're the puppet master.
Fuck them.
Other bastards.
Now watch who you puffin' after.
That's woo.
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As far as some rap shit go, itdoesn't get much better than
Feel it In the Air, in myopinion.
I can remember when this albumcame out.
This record was one of thefirst records to drop.
It dropped like January of thatyear.
It was the first record that Iheard that year.
I was like that record's aclassic, like instantly.
And so first record that Iheard that year, I was like that
record's a classic, instantly,wonderful piece of work.
I could go on and on about whathis career could have been and
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should have been.
I still think he's a Hall ofFame MC.
And speaking of the Hall ofFame.
In this week's news we haveCarmelo Anthony, six-time
All-NBA, multiple All-Tarselection, three-time gold
medalist, ncaa champion andtournament most valuable player,
rightfully and dutifully soelected to the Hall of Fame.
I think he's still on the top10 scoring list, even though KD
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just recently passed him andbumped him down from ninth to
10th.
So what do you all think aboutMelo getting into the Hall of
Fame?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I'm happy for him.
Man, Pure bucket Can score atevery layer, every level on the
basketball court.
I've always wished that Melogot to push the NBA game to
LeBron Maybe not the same pushbecause LeBron is LeBron, but
just something to help him getthat.
Push, man, Because that rookieyear he should have got rookie
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of the year or at leastco-rookie of the year, like they
did Grant Hill and Jason Kiddback in the day.
Even when I look at his son, youknow, kyan Anthony.
They put a report out todaythat he was not selected for the
McDonald's All-American right,but they gave it to Bronny.
That's neither here nor there,but it just it feels that Melo,
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the NBA never got behind Meloand I feel like in his first
year in Denver and his secondand third year in Denver he made
Denver a legit contender assoon as he stepped foot on that
court and Denver wasn't reallynothing before he got there.
They were, like, you know, justtrying to figure out, find the
pieces, and that's why they hadthat number three pick, of
course, but for me, melo, Ithink because he went and got
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the bag as he should.
He didn't do the super teamthing.
I mean, he was supposed to be,you know, there before Chris
Bosh.
It may have hurt his legacyoverall, but I do wish that he
would have gotten a championship, but he did it his way.
I don't think he regret it.
He did it his way.
Love Melo man.
So happy for him to get theHall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
AG, you mind if I go and you can finish this up with
the Melo talk.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Go ahead Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
So this is from somebody who was raised in
Atlanta and was my favoriteplayer growing up.
He's this generation'sDominique Wilkins, in my opinion
, and listen to what I'm aboutto say.
Oh, if you ask the people whoplayed with him and played
against him, oh, they have himat the highest of the highs.
Like go ask Larry Bird andMichael Jordan what they think
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of Dominique Wilkins.
They'll talk to you end on endwith praise.
You know, those are two top 10players.
In one case, the goat, you know.
The other guy's the only personto win the MVP three times in a
row.
So to me he's one of thosepeople and we just kind of
bought this guy up to heat.
In a lot of ways he's very muchthat guy.
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In rap terms, he would beScarface, you know it's like oh
no guy.
In rap terms he would bescarface.
You know, it's like oh no, hemight not be on your number one
list, but your number one rapper.
Love that dude and how he getsbuckets.
I think when it comes to nbabasketball, we have to kind of
separate.
Basketball is sourced out tohype more than any other sport.
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Sport is sourced out for onething, you know.
So I think, centers andconversations involving centers
and all other players should beseparated.
And so if you take the centersout of it, so you're taking Will
Kareem, russell, Yoke, mb, theteam shack, you taking those
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guys out.
As far as scores of thebasketball are concerned, oh no,
he belongs in the category withKobe and Jordan and Durant and
Iverson and Bernard King andGeorge Girvin and like that
select of just when they got therock in their hands, it's like
pretty much Bucket Bucket.
(22:42):
You know what I'm saying.
He is one of those guys and soif you were talking about one of
the 10 best pure scorers of alltime non-center he would be on
that list, and so he's a prettyspecial player.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
He is.
Yeah, absolutely, klub, youcooked that Me.
Personally, I would liken Mellomore to a Jadakiss.
You know I hold both very highand feel like they don't get the
credit that they deserve.
Mello is my second favoriteplayer of all time that I've
ever watched.
Now I know, before the chatstarts going crazy, that he's
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not the second greatest playerof all time, but as far as my
personal favorites, since I'vebeen watching basketball when I
was a real small kid Melo's mysecond favorite, behind none
other than Michael Jordan, and Ithink that you know what Melo
brought to the table.
You know, say what you wantabout his defense, but on the
offensive side of the basketball, I personally don't think it's
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anybody to do it better becauseit's nothing that he couldn't do
.
You know he was prettyefficient as a three-point
shooter free throw For his size.
His first step's crazy.
Like you said, he can score ina phone booth.
He can shake you out of yourboots without even taking a
dribble.
You know what I'm saying Get tothe basket, dunk on you.
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That second jump on a putbackwas crazy fast, like he doesn't
present as athletic as he youknow really is and he would give
people fits Like like Coop said.
You asked like the PaulPierce's of the world, kobe's
Paul George, a top tier defender.
He was a nightmare to to defendand I only slightly put them
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over your boy Durant, coop,because you know Durant's a
little bit better efficient of athree-point shooter or free
throw but Melo in his postgame,and his power and what he's able
to do on the block and go upagainst forwards and bully them
on the block, that's the one keyelement that I think he
slightly edges Durant on, youknow but he's one of the best AG
(24:45):
.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I was actually thinking to myself Durant and
Melo are the best all-timescorers at all the levels, as in
at the free throw line, at themid-range, at the three-point
line.
I would argue back with youthat although Melo is the better
post player obviously due tosize and girth uh, because
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they're fundamentally comparablekb is the better three-point
shooter.
He is the better free throwshooter, he is the best.
This sounds crazy to say this.
Even with mellow.
Now kb's the better mid-rangeshooter, because kb might be the
best mid-range shooter ever,guys right, you know him or mj,
but I'm not.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I'm not gonna squabble if you got mellow or
duran is the best pure scoreoverall he's got a better field
goal percentage all the timehe's more.
He's more efficient, for sure,but I just love watching mellow
mj took way more shots, but yeahyeah, I just, I just like
watching mellow with his firststep in his jab step series and
all that stuff, like he couldjust like guard him.
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You want an island bro, like.
But one thing about it it'slike well deserved him getting
into the hall of fame.
People want to talk about, youknow, him not having a
championship or whatever, butall his other accolades is there
.
You know, as a freshman leadingSyracuse to a title, been a fan
ever since then he got, youknow, all Olympic gold medals.
I hate to be the woulda, coulda,shoulda guy, but to Sean's
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point, I do think it was aconcerted effort to make Melo
the antithesis of LeBron,because I think if you got the
second pick in Detroit with JoeDumars, I wonder if the league
called him and said, yo, you gotto take Darko Milichev, because
I don't think that's a call youmake in sound judgment.
If Melo's on the board and ifMelo goes to that Detroit team
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you know, constructed as theywere, he probably has at least
two rings and him and LeBron arebattling in the East also with
Wade.
But I personally think thatthey wanted Melo out west to
clear a path for LeBron becausenobody saw d way coming, like
you know, uh, the player hebecame, but real quick.
You know we forget about thestops.
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I think it was the um stopsnitching dvd and then mellow
was on.
There was a lot of turmoil, likeI think you know, and god, god
rest his soul.
Rest peace to david.
Sir, I didn't.
I think that david stern didn'twant a repeat of like what he
had with iverson, so he tookcertain steps to kind of, you
know, stifle mellow, if you will, and that continued through his
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whole career.
Like I'm a bulls fanatic, youknow, and I held phil jackson as
the greatest coach there everwas, but when, when he was an
executive for New York, how hedid Mello during that tenure,
spreading the narratives abouthim and all that stuff that made
me look at Phil in a differentlight.
And I didn't really rock withPhil that much after that, you
know, because Mello didn'tdeserve that.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
That's a super chat, fellas.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, let's get out my head, sean.
Let's knock out some of thesesuper chats before we get lost.
Go ahead, pull them up, run it,run it, run it, raising head,
rank the verses on guess who'sback?
I'll take that.
I'll take that.
I actually think Scarface is mynumber one on there and then.
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Jay man, come on, man, don't dothat.
From the womb to the tomb, ahot pot of jar and a spoon,
trying to make me 40,000 andmove.
No, no, it's face he was spent.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
But I give you this though Jay's ability to out swag
everybody like he.
All he had to do was competelyrically.
He would just out swageverybody on the song finesse is
way through it worked moreoften than it did.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I'm going face Jay Beans, but if you want to go,
jay, that's fine.
I'm not going to argue with you.
Super chat.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I go Beans Jay.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
No, beans facing Jay oh, so we all three got a
different number that shows youhow dope the song is.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah.
It's a great record, yeah,artist, formerly known as Kanye
West, the Raisin Head Mellow orT-Mac, and did he underachieve
Mellow for me?
I mean actually for me.
I will tell you like I wasalways a big McGrady fan and for
me McGrady was only the onlyperson when Kobe was active that
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actually could bust Kobe assand guard Kobe at the same time.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
He was an animal man.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And I think there's something to be said for that.
I think Melo, objectively, isthe greater all-time player, but
I'm taking T-Mac.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Yeah, t-mac had a lot of length pause, but I don't
think it's fair to compare himbecause of injuries.
I like the Dominique Wilkinscomparison you said earlier,
coop, but the injuries thatT-Mac had I don't think that's a
fair comparison for him becauseMelo was, he had a lot of minor
injuries but he was relativelyhealthy most of his career.
But let me ask you this realquick before we move on.
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I saw on ESPN today.
They were talking about thebest players to never get a ring
and they were asking if Melowould make that top 20, which is
an absurd question.
But you know, I personallythink Melo would be in the top
five NBA players of all time tonever get a ring.
I have three or four peopleabove him.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I won't put him in the top five.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
You don't think he tracks that top five.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
No, elgin Bailey, yeah, I got him both above Elgin
.
You have him over Elgin Bailey,I do.
I got Barkley Malone StocktonEone.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Stockton Ewan.
Stockton John.
Stockton Ewan.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
You don't think Carmelo Anthony is better than
John Stockton all the time?
Speaker 3 (30:38):
He had Carl Malone, though.
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I've been explaining this to everybody my entire life
.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
John.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Stockton didn't have Karl Malone.
Karl Malone had John Stockton.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
He benefited off of Stockton, but they had each
other, so that should count forsomething.
Melo's personnel that he's hadon his team doesn't compare to
any of the other guys.
Man, no, I'm sorry, I thinkBarkley got the top of the list
though.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
John Stockton's chest pass, bounce pass and
basketball IQ is a point guard.
Derek Coleman would have gotthose buckets.
Sean Kemp would have got thosebuckets.
Barkley would have led theleague.
Malone had that working jumperthat those other guys didn't
have.
If Barkley would have hadStockton, barkley would have led
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the league in scoring.
Jordan wouldn't have all thosescoring titles.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
True, I think Melo's somewhere in the range of AI and
Reggie Miller somewhere in thatballpark.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I'll put AI over him and Reggie Miller over him,
though Me too AI didn't haveanything.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
AI had a higher ceiling.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
He had a higher ceiling, but he wasn't as great
for long as Melo was.
Ai got more in the league at6'1".
Yeah, he did Hold on.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
He's got more scoring titles, finals appearances and
MVPs than Melo.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yes, he's got all of them.
The MVP does count for that.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, does count for that.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
He's got to carry Snow to the championship.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, that team that's the biggest back pack
ever.
Eric Snow wasn't the issue, butI hear what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Okay, we got any more super chats.
One more CJ.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
CJ the Kid.
What up, I'm here, ogs.
Bless you guys, as always,bless CJ.
I'm excited for a possiblemoment of Truth Album Talk today
with the primo subject.
So are we?
We got you, we're almost there,but right now, summer Jam
lineup Fellas, go, don't do that.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
A.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Boogie Gunna, glow Rilla.
Know how I feel about glow mygirl money long Cash Dog.
Cash Cobain, jim Jones.
Ja Rule and Friends withAshanti.
Did they really pitch it likeJa Rule and Friends?
Ja Rule and Friends, it's anearth tribute.
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Ja Rule and Friends.
Ja Rule and Friends, it's anEarth tribute.
It's an Earth tribute though.
Ja Rule and Friends though.
Yeah, I mean Fuck.
Is it Sesame Street Summer Jam?
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Ja Rule and Friends Okay, all of them had a black
child ever drop the album, sothat's how they got to market it
.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
You know what?
Every time, every time, I'm noteven going to go there, I'm
looking forward to the Irv.
I'm looking forward to the Irvtribute.
I hope Ashanti shows up.
It's going to be hard to do alot of those hits without
Ashanti.
Yes, what are your thoughtsabout the lineup though?
Guys?
All jokes aside, how the helldid Jim Jones get on this lineup
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?
What is Jim?
Jim Jones get on this lineup?
Jim Jones be politicking boy.
He be politicking, he bepoliticking.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
This is crazy.
This is.
I have no true thoughts.
I'm beyond.
I have no true thoughts.
I think Glorilla's going to doher thing, because I agree with
you.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Thank you.
Have you finally come over tomy way of seeing things?
Are you rocking with Glo?
Finally?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Not yet, but I can acknowledge that she got some
motion.
I think she should be theheadliner, to be quite honest.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
To be honest with you , when I was looking at it I was
like so who's headlining?
Gunna or Glo?
Are they giving it to A Boogie?
Because A Boogie from Uptownand A Boogie from Uptown.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
But if you headline like her set going to be mad
short bro, let's call it what itis.
Like, can you?
Be, a headliner with a set thatshort.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I don't Hold on.
How long were you expecting herset to be?
And Hold on.
How long were you expecting herset to be?
And how long do you think theset would actually be?
Because I think Glo can giveyou a 20-25 minute set at this
point.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I think she can give you that.
I would say a headliner need todo a minimum of 30.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I think she's there, fam.
I think she's about there.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I think so.
She got enough features outthere right now that can get her
through.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, I'm about to tell you the feature songs she
done made about three or fourbig records.
Now AG, that's about 12, 15minutes plus the features and
you know they're going to bedoing some talking and crowd
interaction and some dancing andsome yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Well, you got to take into consideration the feature
verses.
Ain't a whole record.
You know what I'm saying.
You go through a feature versein 60 seconds.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
You can stream them out.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I mean, like, think about it like this.
Like think about it like this,oh no, when Jay did the takeover
thing and he did the takeover,oh no, that took about 10
minutes.
Like you can stretch it out.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Right, he's a showman .
He's a showman, though I meany'all gonna stop hating on Glo.
No, no, she can perform, Idon't know how.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I'll end up defending Glo on this show.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
I just don't know if she a headliner though, but what
I'm?
More interested in is theresponse to the older acts like
Ja Rule and Jim Jones, becauseremember, it wasn't last year
the debacle where Redman andMethod man said he was never
going to.
Method man said he was nevergoing to come back because of
the reception they got.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Well, I think I mean AG to answer your question.
I think Hot 9-7 took notice ofit and that's why I'm asking how
Jim Jones made the list,because I understand Hot 9-7
being smart enough andintelligent in New York City to
want to pay homage to Irv, andso I know why Ja Rule is being
invited.
But based on what happened lastyear, based on all of the
lineup outside of Ja Rule andfriends, I don't see where Jim
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Jones fits into this algorithm.
Am I wrong about that?
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I think it's an ongoing relationship but the
Dips, like, they performed at alot of different summer jams, so
they got that rapport, you know, and he has a new project out.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I was always one of those guys that's like it's not
dipshit to me if Cam's not there.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
That's fair enough.
Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Like Cam's, my buy-in .
Speaker 3 (36:56):
If you let Jim tell it, he's the only one that's
been keeping the flag waving allthis time.
You let him tell it.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Look here Even a country that has suffered, a
country that has suffered ahostile takeover from a dictator
, still waves his flag.
What are we talking about?
Yeah, jim Goonies, yeah okay heshould also be the headliner
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too.
That's another thing.
He'll take goons.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Okay, he should also be the headliner too.
That's another thing he'll take.
He got more heads than anybody.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I've had enough summer jam talk.
We might have to table thisconversation.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Let's move on from that we might have to table this
conversation next year.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
So VOD Magazine actually did something
productive for a change.
They did the top 30 femaleguests versus yeah, ain't nobody
safe this year, everybodygetting aired out like.
On something productive for achange, they did the top 30
female guests versus Ain'tnobody safe this year, everybody
getting aired out on siteYou're not about to do fuck shit
.
No, you're not about to keep ondoing fuck shit.
I don't care if you're big, Idon't care if you're small, I
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don't care if you buy a magazine, I don't care if you're an
independent contributor, I don'tcare what space you operate on.
They be doing sucka shit.
But this list I actuallythought was a pretty dope list.
I thought some of theplacements were misplaced, I
thought they missed some things,but as a whole I found this
list to be good.
Do you mind if I highlight somemoments for you and gather your
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thoughts on them?
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Sure, I'm in agreement with you, coop.
This is one of the better listsI've seen in a long time.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
It's one of the best as far as lists go.
Some of our bigger rep punditcommentators whatever the fuck
they are need to take notice.
This is what a real list lookslike.
This list is actually reallygood, really quality.
What do you think about LaurynHill's verse on nobody cracking
this list At 25.
(38:46):
I actually think that you couldargue that it could be a little
bit higher, because it'sactually, lyrically speaking,
one of the better verses on here.
Too recent Might be too recent.
It is a classic record, though.
So Da Brat on Socket to me.
(39:06):
I like that.
The Brat made this list a lottoo, and she deserved to make
this list.
Yeah yeah, left Eye on you.
Know what's Up.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Left Eye don't get enough credit as a rapper.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
I thought maybe Left Eye might have made this for the
Ladies Night remix was one ofmy thoughts left.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
I might have made this for the uh, ladies night
remix was one of my thoughtsthat that's a caveat because
it's for features, and that waslike um, I don't think that was
one in one person's inparticular record.
I think that was a cumulativelike effort thing, like it's not
like missy's record or thebrats record or whatever.
So I, I don't think they, Ithink they didn't count that in
general.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, what if I told you that Foxy Brown made this
list more than any other artist,and I think they still might've
missed the verse, and sheshould have.
I thought Kim, I thought Kimwas on here the most no Foxy's
on here for bang bang, which Iwant to talk about at 22.
(40:06):
Yeah, foxy's back on here forthe I Shot you remix at 16.
And Foxy's on here at numbereight for Affirmative Action.
And Foxy's on here at numberthree for Ain't no Nigga.
That's four.
Yep, you're right, because Kimgot three, but I thought she
could have made Touch Me TeaseMe.
I thought Touch Me Tease Mecould have been in here.
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Touch Me Tease Me should havebeen in here.
Am I wrong?
Am I wrong?
Touch Me, Tease Me, should havebeen on here, right?
That's a big fact.
So my hot take when I read thislist Foxy is actually the best
female guest appearance artistof all time.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yeah, you could take off 30, 29, 28, or one of them
joints and put Foxy in there.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Now here was my next thought.
Foxy's the best, but Kimoperates at the highest clip
still, because when Kim hits themark man, kim hits the mark,
it's a show stealer.
This is what I mean about Kim.
First of all, I think havingthe Quiet Storm remix at nine
might be too low.
Guys, right, I think Bang Bangand Quiet Storm remix where they
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are obviously taking shots ateach other I think both of those
are too low.
I think Quiet Storm remix mightbe top five too.
Yeah, yeah, I love that.
They put I Can Love you atnumber four.
That's my personal favorite Kimfeature verse.
I was about to say that's myfavorite Kim verse on the low.
That's the one I mean.
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There's a Honda with Tanishaand Ron.
She went off.
She went off.
She, more than at any othermoment in her career, is the
female version of Big on the ICan love you verse.
Like that's a big level verse.
It's big and so I love that.
I think Nikki at monster at twois still.
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It's still a little bit high.
But when I looked at this wristoverall, I realized that the
people that made this list areour age and younger.
Nobody older than us made thislist and they're probably and
when I mean they're probablyyounger than us, I don't mean
much younger, but probably like35, 36, 37.
Because most of the stuff onhere, when you look at it, think
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about the stuff that theymissed.
Queen Latifah on the I Wanna BeDown remix.
Mc Lyte on Self Destruction.
Yo-yo on it's A Man's world.
The brat on don't hate on me.
Off Jermaine Dupri's 1472.
That was a sleeper pick for me.
Bahama D on push up yourlighter off the roots.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
So, yeah, I think they got it right for the most
part, though I don't agree.
I mean, I don't disagree withnumber one, kim on Benjamin's,
because I because, if it wasn'tfor the beat switch on Big's
verse, I might say Kim has thebest verse of the whole song.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I can see that.
I can see that I'm glad they'reshowing Foxy love.
Though, to be quite honest,she's my favorite.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
She's my favorite female emcee of all time.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
As we get further away from, you know, the 90s era
of hip hop, we forget how greatFoxy was, man, her performance
Foxy was blazing every track shewas jumping on man.
Foxy was dangerous as a featureemcee, you know.
I mean, like I said, you thinkabout you know the joint she had
with Jay Ain't no nigga.
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I mean she stole the showregardless of who wrote it.
She stole the show.
She's like 16.
I mean I shot your remix.
She stole the show.
You know affirmative action shestole the show.
You got Nas and AZ onaffirmative and she stole the
show.
When I look at it like that,like who was saying before, when
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you think about Kim and whatshe's been doing she stole the
show in the time she hopped onit All about the Benjamins when
that beat flipped and Kim is onthat, steal the show.
I'm not mad.
They did.
Even Mia X got to give love toMia X.
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Got to give love to Mia X.
Okay, so now I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
He's had two placements as well.
Man forget he.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Oh, whoa, oh my God, sean, I'm bad, I'm bad.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
No, but this is what I will say I really had to think
Of what went into play Duringthe list, because the one thing
that raised the eyebrow For me Iwas like Yo, where is Lean Back
With Remy on here?
But that's not a Fat Joe record, that's a Terror Squad record
and she's part of Terror Squad,so it's not considered a feature
.
You gotta really you know whatI'm, so it's not considered a
feature.
You got to really think aboutthe technicalities when they
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make these lists.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
I'll tell you this I do feel like a lot of this stuff
should be on here.
I do feel like Mia X at 7 onBout it is appropriate.
I do think Mia X at 14, I'llmake them say might be a little
bit too high.
I think Queenpin on no Diggityat 27 should be higher.
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I think Foxy Brown on I Shotyour Remix is top five for me.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
guys, I don't care what they do that's their best
verse, I think, the Queen Pan.
I'm glad you brought that up,Coop, because I thought that was
very, very low.
It should have been a lothigher.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
It should have been at least.
How about this?
I would be cool with swappingout Mia X and Queen pin on the
Make them Say Un, putting Queenpin's no Diggity verse at 14 and
Mia X's Make them Say Un verseat 27, because Mia X does have
the Bow that Bow, that verse,and that is the verse that we
remember her for Well.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
I think to that point , though I think that out of all
the names on here, like QueenPin's name doesn't ring as many
bells as a lot of these otherfemale MCs, so she probably got
pushed down to the bottom Beforeyou went off screen Coop.
I do think it needs to besomething said about the impact
of the monster verse, because Ithink the monster verse is why
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the impact of it is, why it's,uh, put so high at number two.
So I wasn't mad at that.
But another another thing onhere that I loved about it and
this um, you know, we can moveon unless y'all have anything to
add, not so much to featureartists, but it's a ton of missy
records on here where she wasthe main artist and had somebody
else feature.
I love the flowers that Missywas getting on this list for her
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song.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
First of all, I thought it was a nice call by
them because my favorite Nickiburst might be Nicki on the
Hello Good Morning remix.
I'm happy that it might be herbest verse to me.
When I'm saying Monster is toohigh, I get the impact, the
notoriety and the game-changingmoment it is for her.
But what I'm saying is itprobably belongs objectively at
five, not at two, because the IShot you remix verse for Fox is
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better.
It's better.
I would tell you that Trina'sNAMM performance is better and
more Like.
There are women out here whoare doctors, who are partners in
law firms and if you cut onNAMM, alright, you understand
what I'm saying.
You understand what I'm saying.
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You understand what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
I'm glad you put Lauryn Hill.
Nobody verse on here as well.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
First of all, she doesn't have that many guest
appearances for her to make thislist.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
There's no reason she doesn't.
The verse deserves to be onhere.
It's just a stellar verse.
It's a stellar verse.
I don't think Soleil should beon here.
If I'm being honest, thatrecord's too big.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
That record's too big .
That record's too big.
But.
Jt was big down here it was big.
Yeah, do you?
Speaker 3 (47:43):
want to kidnap her.
We ain't hear from her for awhile.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
She should have blinked twice.
She should have blinked twicePut her on mute.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
But yo, the Lady of Rays joint on Stranded Death,
death Row, aka Baby D Yo, thatwas a good pull to put that.
That made the top 10, I think,no, it was 13.
But yeah, I like that they putthat on here.
Stranded on Death Row is aposse cut.
That I don't think gets enoughlove.
It ranks up there pretty highfor me.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
They got a good one, I think.
Remy on the Anteup remix Ithink that might be a little bit
too high.
That's at six.
I think they feel bad.
I think they feel bad aboutRemy not making it.
I don't know if that's top tenaction, I don't know.
Coop, I think that's right.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
That Anteop remix was going crazy and she was the
reason for that.
When she came on that changedthe momentum of that song.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Rhapsody on Complexion Too Low?
Speaker 3 (48:42):
I don't even know if that makes the list for me.
I would replace that with thewhat did you say earlier?
The Touch Me, Tease Me joint.
I would replace that with theRhapsody.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
I feel like the guest appearance she did on the Busta
Rhymes Best I Can is betterthan the Complexion one.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
That might have been an inclusion vote.
Like we gotta get her on here.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Yeah, I think they just put that one on her.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
to be honest, I thought Vida's verse on Put it
On Me was a nice pull becauseit's one of those verses that us
, as fellas, don't realize howmany women know that verse,
until we hear it in the clubagain and every chick in the
club sings the verse.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
It resonates with them.
I saw Drew's rapping that joy.
Like yo.
What are you doing First?
Speaker 2 (49:31):
of all, you must have been in Midtown Atlanta, where
I'm working, san Diego.
You have been in MidtownAtlanta.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
He has the same difference.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
I hate to say this, because I love Rhapsody.
I think it's an inclusion pickand it's on a Kendrick Lamar
song, so that garners extraclicks.
Just having Kendrick's name onthe list, what's going on, they
got to get the algorithms.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Man.
What's going on.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
They got to get the algorithms, man, they got to get
yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
No, no, no, no, but overall they did a good job.
Nice pull about the Missy thing.
Eve did make it here twice.
I'm not a big fan of the HotBoys remix, like period, even
though Eve does have the bestSame here.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
I love that record.
I think even Q-Tip got off onthat joint man.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
You can keep that for me.
Actually, I like the originalbetter.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
And Nas went crazy on there.
Man, that's a staple at hisshows.
You go to the Nas show.
He's performing that verseduring his lady set.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
And I understand it, but I think it might be his most
overrated verse.
The verse ain't that good.
Sorry, it ain't that good, it'sjust okay.
The Nas Hot Boys remix versey'all think that's dope yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
I don't think it's overrated or underrated.
I think it's properly.
I don't think nobody ravesabout it, but it's a fire verse
on a commercial record.
That beat is crazy, the beat iscrazy.
Escobar.
Cbr bikes, switching gears,headlights Shines so bright,
it's a freeze like this.
You know what?
Speaker 1 (51:11):
I mean Freeze like this.
It's not the freeze like this.
That's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
Who don't like the verse birds?
Because when we came back fromDon't Call Out, he hit that deer
.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
First of all, the deer hit me Motherfucker, jumped
over the median and kicked thecar.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
Sorry for bringing that up, Coop.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Still paying for the shit.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
How the fuck fuck you get insurance on a car.
It's just make you pay money.
After you got insurance on thecar, it was like, yeah, it was
like, well, a deer hit your shit.
The insurance really don't comewith a deer hitting the car.
It's like oh okay, I can havethe insurance phone in overall
dope list.
Dope list shout out to Vop.
We got our artists ready, ourRufus and Ill City.
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Are they in the backdrop in thebackground?
Are they ready?
for us are they here because ifthey ready, we can go ahead.
You know, get this party getthis party started.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
I'm about to bring them up.
We got Ill City.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
We got any super chats before we get this
cracking off, are we good?
Yeah, we do.
We got a couple.
Hold up, let's knock those out.
Bring the homies in CJ the Kidfirst and foremost.
Some rappers.
We like fruit toast.
When I look back on thoselyrics, y'all punks beat the
guts.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
Just beat the guts.
Cj is wild man.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
We're seeing the maturation.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
Look here, toastmasters has made CJ
assertive he's an animal man.
He's an animal Animal tough.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Animal CJ.
Cj the Raisin Head Foxy shouldhave had the top three guest
verses.
She's got a lot, she's got alot.
She's got a lot.
You know what else I thoughtabout.
I thought she had the bestverse on the no One Else remix
too, with the Brat and Foxy andKim.
I thought she had the bestverse on there when she said it
off-brand Nigga, uh, chrome thatwhips and shit Bubbling laying
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up with them Colombians yeah,foxy crazy on the guest verse.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
Foxy's the one for me , but I think real quick, I
think she didn't over-sexualizeherself like Kim and she wasn't
as lyrically gifted as Lauren,so she got lost in the shuffle.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
I don't think she got lost in the shuffle.
Ag, I don't think she got lostin the shuffle.
You know, fox was on way more.
I think she got black.
I think she got black ball.
She got black ball.
Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.
I think China Dog messed her up, because when China Dog came
out, china Dog was terrible.
It was terrible.
It was a big, big drop.
The beats were bad.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
It was bad.
It was chasing the sound of1999.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
And it just didn't click.
It didn't click at all, and Jaywas heavily involved on that
one.
His pen was all through thatalbum and it was just Jay's pen
wasn't the best on that as well.
We gotta keep that, that abovetoo.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
No, it wasn't.
The album's not good.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
She's not good, the beat's not good.
No, sean's actually right, thebeat's not good, she's not good.
Broken Silence, broken Silence,was, was, was the one.
That's the one.
Broken Silence is the album.
I tell people.
Broken Silence, that first halfof Broken Silence is as good of
any project that I heard thatyear.
That first half of that project, the second half it tapered off
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a little bit.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
But there's stuff on there.
But, her discography couldn'tstack up to Kim's, that's just
being real.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
That's the J-Roll channel.
All right, so we about to getour fellas up on here.
L-city what?
Speaker 5 (54:58):
up man.
What's happening, what'shappening.
Speaker 6 (55:04):
That broken silence was crazy.
Yeah, davin had something to dowith that?
Right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
That's her brother, isn't it?
That's her brother.
That's her blood, isn't it?
That's?
Speaker 1 (55:21):
her brother.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
That's her blood brother.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
The one who produced.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
Hate Me Now for Nas.
Speaker 5 (55:28):
Yep, okay.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
Fellas, tell us what's good.
We've been following I Am Godfor a couple of years now and
you know, by process of, youknow osmosis and assimilation,
I've been getting familiar withwhat we have been getting
familiar with you all andeverything that's just going on
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in the Chi.
So tell me how you all linkedup, known each other, met each
other, what the Chicago movementis like, before we get into the
project.
I want to talk about the citybecause, like when I hear y'all
shit and that's like I said iton the last episode I question
it's like is this kind of likehow Griselda kind of like got
started, where it's like well,everybody's kind of doing their
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thing but everybody kind of istogether for like a common cause
and a common good?
Ill City.
Are you the in-house producer?
Are you the new Derringer?
You know what I'm saying.
Tell us how the dichotomy ofthe team is put together and
broken up and all that.
Speaker 5 (56:30):
Go ahead, bro.
Well, you know, I'll put it toyou like this, though, they did
kind of like their presence asthey became what they are.
When they started, whengrizzled started, they did a lot
of fire under us, you know,being as though that they was
coming to the city and really,when nobody really hit to them,
like that shit.
(56:50):
So, you know, we was going tothe shows when it was only like
15 20 but, like you know, weknow Vic Spencer and Vic Spencer
is real connected with likeWestside, so, just being in
cahoots with him and knowingthat he is one of the guys that
they, you know, rock with, wehad to really step our thing up.
(57:12):
But yeah, they lit a fire underus and we just started doing
our thing, but it's our ownsound.
So but go ahead bro.
Speaker 6 (57:21):
Yeah, I first heard of Brazil through Vic and Chris
Crack.
They was doing songs with them,like back in.
Crack had a song with Conway,like in 2016, and then that's
how I got on their wave.
But I think, as far as me, meand Eel, like real brothers man,
We've been locked in for aminute.
Me and Eel, like real brothersman, we've been locked in for a
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minute and at one point he wasjust helping me and my brother
Jay Hayes, out just whether itbe with studio time or you know
what I'm saying making merch,selling merch.
Then, maybe in I don't know2020, maybe I think Bro started
DJing and he became our DJ andnot too long after that he got
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him an MPC and then it was likehe started making the beats and
they was cool at first, and thenbro just started going crazy
but by him being my brother, I'mrapping off the beats right off
the bat and then he getting allthe weak ones, all the weak
beats.
Speaker 5 (58:20):
He trying to make it make sense, you know.
Speaker 6 (58:23):
And then, as far as the movement in Chicago, we all
have been aware of each other.
I had came home from jail right, this is why I say it started.
I had came home from jail likethe end of 21.
And I had texted Nick Spencerfor his birthday.
I got out on his birthday andhe like check your messages.
I started a group, and hestarted.
He had like this little groupit was like me, him, feel More
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Green and I Am God, and then hewas like you know what I'm
saying?
This is, we're going to do aproject, and we actually started
working on a project, but wenever finished it, though.
But then, at the same time, Iwas doing music with, like to me
, me, jujilla and Panamera P aremore like the street hip-hop
cats in Chicago, so I was doing,as well as doing music with God
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and Fillmore.
I was doing a lot of music withJujilla and Panamera P, and
then I kind of think I was thebridge Jujela and Panamera Pete,
and then I kind of think I wasthe bridge, and then now, at
this point, we're like we don'thave a name or anything, but
it's definitely a strong circleof like seven or eight of us
that always appear on eachother's albums, support each
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other at each other's shows, andI guess it would be because
they're the Esk.
But we're technically not alabel, not a group.
We just understand that we needeach other to really push
through and establish what'sgoing on in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (59:53):
As far as the album Ill Dirty Rufusus, can you guys
walk me through?
How did that concept come aboutto adopt some of the themes
from the classic album Return tothe 36 Chambers and the
inspiration of Old Dirty, likeyou know, whose idea was it and
who helped craft and curate?
(01:00:15):
Or was it a team effort tocraft and curate the album to
what it ended up becoming?
It was more of a team effort tocraft and curate the album to
what it ended up becoming it wasmore of a team effort, I think.
Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
Uh, around around the time, the uh the woo docu, the
rule, uh docu-series that theyhad on hulu came out, me and bro
was just always on the phonewatching it.
And then, um, old dirty'scharacter started to come into
fruition for Bro, and I alwayssaw Bro like that too.
(01:00:43):
You know what I mean.
Like you know, the ace in thehole, the one, you know, the
one-hand army, a son, you knowwhat I mean.
And so, like you know, he wasjust like man.
It'd be a cold thing.
If you know, we do a projecttogether.
But we called it like Eel, likeill dirty rufus, you on the
beach, you know, and I'm on therams and, and you know, because
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his rams game is so differentand so unorthodox, which is why
we use the title uh uh, uh, usethe uh, old dirty, um uh
character, because it's likethere's no father to a staff.
So that was the whole reason.
So I just really wanted thatway to shine light on his
lyrical ability.
(01:01:26):
You know what I mean.
We didn't really want to make aWu-Tang S album, because it's
still my sound and, like I'vebeen saying through all the
other interviews too, whenpeople ask, rza can only do RZA.
You know what I mean.
I didn't want to cop a soundlike the RZA.
I think there's a point in thealbum where we did go there.
(01:01:49):
You know what I mean.
But we didn't start that.
We knew we wanted somethinglike that in the album, but we
didn't want the album to be justtotally Wu-Tang, you know type.
Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
You know we wanted to shine on our sound, but still
pay homage to the art that wewas using too.
Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
And I want to no go ahead, rufus, no, no, no go
ahead.
Speaker 6 (01:02:12):
I want to pay homage to just the originality of ODB,
because I was on house arrestfor two years and you know I
ain't a spring chicken so I wasalmost like, alright, this case
gonna take me under, my rapcareer is over with.
But then I end up having funagain with rap, just
(01:02:33):
experimenting with certainthings.
And then I came to theconclusion, like man, I want to
start making music that, like,it's hard to copy.
You know, I said, or have a, astyle that's hard to copy.
So I just I don't know.
It's like, even if you, if youhit some of the stuff I was
doing like three or four yearsago, it wasn't as polished as
(01:02:54):
like the way I do it now.
So I jump in and out pockets.
I got an end goal where it'salways the land in the pocket.
But I just kind of do thisthing and to me it was kind of
reminiscent of just how ODB justkind of did what he wanted to
do, but it made so much sense,you know.
Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
That's dope.
Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
So, rufus, I would equate your style in boxing
terms to having to fight aSouthpaw.
And so, yeah, if you've everboxed before, like fighting
somebody who's lefty, who knowhow to punch, is like the worst
thing in the world for you,because they can beat you with
their style, even if you'restronger or faster.
And so the first time that Iheard you on another project
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produced by L-City City of Gods,I said to myself it's like of
schoolboy q and of two chainswhere you're having fun when you
rap, but it is unorthodox, butit's actually like low-key
gangster, like you're having,like you're having so much fun
on this project.
People are missing a lot of theshit that you're saying, because
it's like it took me two orthree times to catch it and I'm
like oh yeah, I'm like he havingtoo much fun because he's
making me have so much fun thatI didn't start catching some of
the stuff that you were sayinguntil the third time around,
(01:04:22):
because I was enjoying the styleand the cadence and the flow
and the put together so much.
Speaker 6 (01:04:28):
I used to think I was the next like at one point in
time in my career I thought Iwas the next Meek Mill.
So I was doing like I wasalways doing hip hop, but I was
doing like I was trying to catchwhat the streets wanted.
I was around so many streetcats, so I'm trying to make
these street anthems and bangers.
And then I finally got to aspace where I was like man, fuck
(01:04:48):
them, man, I'm going to do whatfeels good to me and I'm having
so much more fun.
Now.
My content is still very street.
It's a reflection of a lot ofthings that I've been through,
but you know I come from.
You know jumping in certainpockets already, so I'm like all
(01:05:10):
right, how can I take this toanother level and just make it
super creative?
Not too far where I'm runningsomebody off, but still enough
where it sounds fresh.
Though you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
No doubt.
But that's hip-hop.
Hip-hop is pushing theboundaries, it's being authentic
and being, you know, genuine toyourself.
And we hear that a lot in thisalbum.
I listen to Cap Crazy a lot.
I love Cap Crazy.
I even love Cap City.
For you to even that productionon Cap Crazy, just to have that
hint in the backdrop of Dirty,you know that shit is genius.
(01:05:41):
And the fact that, like yousaid, rupert, your style is so
unorthodox, it's not aboutwriting a beat, it's really just
getting crazy on it.
You know what I mean Justreally just blowing on it and
doing what you want to do.
There's no boundaries to it,there's no rules to it.
Speaker 6 (01:06:01):
And you can feel that in the freedom of actually what
you're rapping on on that jointas well.
Man just rapping regular gotborn to me Like it's like and
it's so easy to copy.
And then I had all these peoplelike man, I mean you still
going crazy, but that new stuffyou're doing a little bit I'm
like man, that's what I'm atwith it, man.
Speaker 5 (01:06:18):
So take it or yeah, and I think for like cap crazy.
We just wanted to like have fun.
You know what I mean.
Like bro, bro got so many.
You know, if you go back to um,you know, dig into his.
Uh, you know, slow down, go tohis yeah, go to his discography
um, and really just follow upall the way.
(01:06:39):
Up until now Well, listen, upuntil now, all those projects
before I came in and did mything, those projects were like
serious projects.
So in the midst of everybodyyou know, winning the Boy Scout
Logic, giving him all thisproduction and him putting his
thing together, it allowed me tojust say you know what?
They're giving him real seriousbeats.
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I'm going to give him like thebest production, the fun
entertainment production and wejust going to go crazy with it.
The number one thing for meabout us with this project and
me and bro we talk like everyday.
So it was like the rollouts.
I just wanted the rollouts, theanticipation, and then once the
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project hit, boom, you knowwhat I mean.
And to ag's point on the uh lastshow, you know I know like a
lot of people were saying we hada lot of features and that was.
It was a reason for us havingall the features on this one
because, like I say, hisprevious albums he really only
had like probably like two orthree features and the rest was
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just him.
So this was like an opportunityto because we already widened
the wave in the city.
So this was like a perfectopportunity to not only show you
know, uh, our ability to havefun in hip-hop.
It also showed you, showed hiscamaraderie amongst the guys and
who he hanged with you knowwhat I mean and basically go
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throughout the city and getdifferent artists, you know,
like we had Bizarre, we hadSapphire, you know just a lot of
guys that he's connected withjust to make a great album.
You know what I mean.
But yeah, that was the wholegoal for this whole album, not
just Cap Crazy is just to havefun, give them a fun product.
Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
Right, that was an honest critique.
But you know, once I thinkabout it, it kind of fits the
theme of the album because ifyou're making an O'Day to like,
you know a Wu-Tang solo album,most of the Wu solo albums have
a lot of features, you know,featuring the rest of the crew.
So it makes sense when youthink about it.
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And cat crazy just so happensto be, um, my favorite joint on
the album.
That gives you that old, dirty,uh bastard vibe to it.
Um, but rufus, you spoke toearlier about how your old stuff
from a few years ago doesn'tsound like you know the stuff
you're doing now.
You wanted to do somethingwhere nobody could bite or copy
your style and have more funwith the records.
So in that, did your writingprocess change any, like when
you go in the booth?
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Or you know your whole processleading to record the album?
Did you have to switch that up?
Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
In the process I start writing at the mic.
At the mic and it kind of it'slike I still write some songs,
but to me it's almost like apump faking a free throw when
you're writing sometimes,because it's like when I scratch
it I can say this better, I cansay that better, and sometimes
it's like living in the momentkind of, and I kept getting
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better and better at it.
So it's like I so it's like Irecord off energy drinks and my
mind gets moving real fast and Ijust, you know, I got to
remember what the thought, thatI just thought and then still
had a conviction, but yeah, Imake most of it right at the mic
.
Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
So hold on, hold on.
So let me hold on.
Ag, are you finished?
You mind if I piggyback offthat?
So I'm fascinated by thatbecause I used to be an artist
and so some of the last thingsthat I was doing is I was
teaching myself to have four toeight bars ready before I would
go to the mic.
So when you're saying that youhave, are you?
Are you like?
Are you in your mind, like, isthe beat playing?
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And you're writing the bars inyour mind and then you're
stepping to the mic, are?
Speaker 6 (01:10:20):
you talking about you really just going to the mic on
some uncut, like in riffing.
Sometimes I might have a fourbars, I might have a hook, right
, right.
But I record so much musicthough now you don't have time
to write, yeah, and I just getinto a zone, almost like a
basketball game.
I get in the zone, I know mymind already knows what it's
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time to do, and once I get tothe mic, like my mind, I think,
goes to a different place.
So I make them right at the mic, most of them, and all I need
is like one good line and thenI'm gone.
I can just keep building offthat.
So I've been just punching.
I'll stop, give me back, comeon, give me back, give me back,
give me back.
And then, yeah, kind of gotreal good at just doing it like
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that.
I still write and I do what yousaid too.
I might come in.
If I come in with eight bars,it's over with.
I'm finna, smoke, right, I'llbe nervous.
It's like a fun thing, becauseI'd be nervous sometimes I don't
have the a-bomb and I'm like ah, yeah, I tell people, I tell
people all the time, yeah, I gotthe verse ready, and then I get
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in there and I'll be like, allright, what are we gonna do?
But then I make some of my.
I start with I start realizinglike damn, I make some of my
best music like this.
So I kind of just thought, um,um, just catering to the process
and making the process better.
And then I do it in front ofeverybody and it's like some of
the best lyricists in the city.
They be like oh you crazy bro.
Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
You mind if I ask just one more question, right
quick, before you jump back in.
Sean, yeah, so I've listened toPanamera, peas and Jujilla's
project as well and of courseyou know we've been down with I
am god for a minute.
You do come off like the odb ofthe crew with the unorthodox
style and voice.
(01:12:08):
So how do you feel when you'rein the studio with these
quote-unquote uh, traditionallyricists?
Because they're great at whatthey do, like jujujilla's verse
on I Am God's Morse Wade wasprobably my favorite guest verse
on there and it made me gocheck for him and Panamera.
So I have their projects too,and all of those guys.
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I would consider those threeguys to be your more traditional
, fundamental emcees.
Does working with guys likethat make you go further outside
of the box?
Does it push you to be likewhen you're walking in?
Does that nervousness is thathigher when you and I Am God are
sitting there in the yo withyou?
Speaker 6 (01:12:50):
It's this song that me.
I remember this one session Ihad for the loyalty project and
I had a song, one song I Am God,then one song with you and they
going project.
And I had a song, one song withI Am God, then one song with
Jew and they going crazy.
And I'm just like I got nothingready, which I never do, but I
was just like they definitelypushed me lyrically.
You know what I'm saying.
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And it's like the people that Irap with they push me in
different ways, almost so Iwould say Jew and I Am God push
me more lyrically.
Somebody like Vic Spessa, he'slike he's a lot of fun.
He's like the funny, he's likea funny guy.
Then Pano we call Pano TimDuncan it's just like big
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fundamental, don't miss he just.
You know what I'm saying, hejust.
But I don't know.
Yeah, they all push me, notenough to change up my process,
but maybe just to be aware, like, all right, you with the
killers today, you know what I'msaying Right, so, fellas, we
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got a super chat.
Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
From my Mere Thoughts Does this quote look familiar.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the recordthat's my shit.
Speaker 6 (01:14:08):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
That's my favorite song.
Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Favorite song yeah, that's my Mere Thoughts.
Speaker 5 (01:14:15):
That was like the second and third record that we
actually had finished for thealbum.
But the first track that we hadthat I built off of was Grits
and Eggs.
Once I, you know, had thisability and I'm like man, you
know we're not there yet, butonce I got Grits and Eggs broke
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one in one day, did it.
The next day, I think, richieWest came by his crib, laid down
his verse and it was done, andI'm like all my beats need to
have that type of vibe, and thenso on.
Then we came up with thisconcept called Rucka.
Actually, rucka is actually aconcept from a joint he had on
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there called Jim Carrey, on AimHot, which he dropped in 2021.
And I was like man, it'd becold if you take this one line
and just make it a hook and Brojust, you know, did his master
thing with it, you know.
Speaker 6 (01:15:15):
I wrote I actually I wrote Rucker, I wrote that one.
Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah , yeah, that's dope, that's dope
.
So, siddy question for you, man, you got different ends of the
spectrum.
You got Rufus on one end, yougot IM on the other.
As a producer, as a curator,and you're putting together the
sounds, the soundscape for allof the artists on the crew, the
soundscape for all of theartists on the crew.
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Do you see yourself gravitatingmore to one style based on how
it makes you feel as a curator,as someone who's producing a
record?
Because, going back to whatRufus said earlier, having fun,
getting to have fun on a record,having fun on the album itself,
as a producer, do you feel thatsame way?
Are you having fun on the albumas you're producing for a
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specific person?
Or do you feel like I have tolock in a certain way because I
have?
I am who's going to bring adifferent flavor, different
energy on this record?
Are you changing your vibes andyou coming up with the actual
beat itself?
Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
you know, when I do come up with like certain beats,
bro is out, they first.
Ruth is always here.
Everything I do first beforeanybody even hears.
Speaker 6 (01:16:22):
So the cat is me and Jay.
Speaker 5 (01:16:27):
Hey, they hear the beats first before anybody, and
the beauty about that is is thatthey'll tell me who to kind of
like to let to go to and be likehey, you might want to take
that to.
I Am God you know what I mean,and so like.
I'll take that to I Am God andhe'll probably like it.
Like Stephens is like the introtrack.
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You know Hayes had that first,but Hayes was like you know what
, get that to I Am God.
I think he'll sound real coldon that.
And so I was like man, you knowhe'll take that joint and he
did what he did with it.
But, like I said, yeah, in myprocess you know the bros, they
always around, so they they hita lot of stuff before anybody
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else do, and so we just likemake certain plays.
You know, man, you might wantto hook up with this artist or
you might want to hook up withthat artist, and actually that
makes it fun for me because itshows my versatility to be to
able to give people tailor-madeproduction is what I call it,
you know, I mean that's what Iwant, that's that's my goal.
to work with anybody is to makethe production tailor-made to
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fit them, so, like with the lasttwo projects that I did, and
that's what happened.
You know, I just made theteller made two different sounds
, but the same approach, if thatmakes sense, absolutely.
Speaker 6 (01:17:48):
Me and Jay Hayes, our group.
We like a duo.
We are both solo artists, butwe do a lot of music together,
and he's one of the main guys inthe city too.
Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
So me and Jay Hayes, we even before this whole thing,
the little people, the littlepeople, yep, yep.
Speaker 6 (01:18:07):
So yeah, we've been rocking out for a long time, but
I think Chicago just reallystarting to realize, man, it's
much easier together than apart,you know what I'm saying.
And then a lot of peoplelow-key, like Chicago is a
hating-ass city, so it's likethere's a lot of guys that can
spit, but we formed this littlecircle and then everybody be
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like oh man, y'all won't let mein, or you know, we can't be
down with the cool kids and belike man, this is a real organic
thing.
Y'all hands, y'all the rules.
You know what I'm saying?
Keep down with this.
Speaker 5 (01:18:38):
The bar is set really high in our camp, like it's a
way you got to really you knowrhyme.
It's a way you got to presentyourself.
You know what I mean.
You know, because a lot of theguys that's in our circle man
have great accomplishments.
We got a couple guys that didEuropean tours in Fillmore Green
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and big Spencer.
You know what I'm saying.
You know they did Europeantours.
You know uh uh, you know youknow they work.
Speak for itself.
You know Rufus.
You know his years of work init.
So it's like the bar is reallyreally set.
You know what I mean.
And we we done been around alot of guys that you know, kind
of like they just go to the gymand just taking shots.
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You know that ain't what we do.
Speaker 6 (01:19:23):
Yeah, they export hoopers yeah, they export
hoopers.
Speaker 5 (01:19:27):
We really that's why the music sound the way that it
is.
It's because we really reallytrying to, you know, set the bar
at a high level.
A lot of people would thinklike we just doing too much.
It's like nah, bro, we gotta beauthentic and like so go ahead,
go ahead cool no, you go aheadno, you go ahead I want to hear
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you talk so, nah so.
But, like I said, the bar is setpretty high and so, like you
know, the music has to match.
And so for us, you know, wejust we just want to put our
best foot forward.
You know the music has to match.
And so for us, you know, wejust, we just want to put our
best foot forward.
You know what I mean.
And then we older too.
So, like the music, for us atour age, it has to make a lot of
sense.
You know, we ain't in the clubs, we ain't, you know, popping
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bottles.
You know we, we real men, livea real life.
So, like the music has toreflect that.
You know what I mean.
And you know it's nice.
You know, like we say, we cleanup, nice too, while we doing it
.
Speaker 6 (01:20:26):
I think a lot of people in our city right, they
could spit.
But it's like I'm not a fan ofeverything.
I ain't a fan of stuff.
That's just about anything.
It's like what are you talkingabout?
You know what I'm saying it'slike and how does it relate to
you for real, as a man, as aperson?
You know what I'm saying.
So I want to hear about you, Iwant to see your growth as a man
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, and that's what I want to hear.
And I think a lot of people getlost in what everybody else
want or what will or what won'twork.
But the guys I'm around, thoseare my favorite artists.
Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Dope.
Dope.
Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
AG.
Oh no, you was going to saysomething.
Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
I just want to know Ill City.
So what is it like with you?
I know for me your producer inthe studio is kind of like your
tour guide, so it appears thatyou are organized and have
objectives when you all arerecording.
Is that accurate?
Because, based on what you allare telling me and from the
conversation that I've had withI Am God, it's like y'all are
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synchronizing what y'all aredoing, so y'all are coming to
the yo with objectives in mindabout knocking shit out, getting
shit in.
Yeah, yeah, to the yo likewhat's objectives in mind about
knocking shit out, getting shit?
Yeah, yeah, uh, working mostinto the movement.
Do you ever have to get on anyof the artists about, kind of
like, staying on task, gettingshit done?
Speaker 5 (01:21:49):
um, not not all the time, not all the time.
Um, it's like you know, theseguys are so focused and then
they make me so focused.
So, it's like you know, sincewe probably like hooked up and
did this thing in 2020 andstarted, just you know, cooking
up and being on the rise ofwhere we are right now, it just
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was a nonstop thing.
You know, we just always, youknow, sharing ideas.
You know on how each one of uscould be effective.
You know sharing ideas.
You know on how each one of uscould be effective.
You know, you know, and allthese guys got a vision of their
own.
You know, it's just for me, Ijust, like Alchemist said,
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provide the big point.
You know what I mean.
So I just provide something forthem that they could just
really, really be dope on.
You know what I mean.
But like, yeah, we definitelyhave that camaraderie where, as
though it's that I am like allhands-on very hands-on If I
can't be hands-on as a producer,be able to curate, be able to
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say something, be able to haveany type of input.
That's how I intend.
I want to work with you becauseI just don't want no trash on
my street.
You know what I'm saying.
So for them guys, I don't haveto really do that because they
already, like you know, polishedin the way you know what I mean
they already set.
It's just, you know.
I just expand what I do andmake it, you know, make it
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really better for them.
You know what I mean Because Iam God.
A guy like I am God man.
That's like a cheat code for me.
You know what I mean.
The beat could be trash, butwe're going to put the dopest
concept together.
He's going to put the dopestlyrics on there and it's going
to take off.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
Dope Only got one more question.
So you all speak about yourcrew is kind of like a
collective, nothing officiallike as a group or not signed to
the same label.
But is it any chance that wecan get something like a
compilation album from you all,with you at the helm of the
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production Ill City?
Is that something that couldcome down later on?
Speaker 5 (01:24:04):
It's actually kind of in the works, but we don't
discredit a lot of otherproducers too, because it's like
I'm just really not taking off.
There were guys that it's likea whole group of us it's me,
it's Billionaire Boy Scout, it'sLogic, it's Scripps, it's Mike
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Jacks, it's Kid Breeze, it'sjust a whole crew of us that
actually collectively put thiswhole sound together.
And it could be just I couldhave the momentum, but everybody
else, all the other producers,may have their input or
something.
You know what I mean.
Like the compilation that weput together.
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I may have three, four beats,billionaire may have three, four
beats on there, but it allsyncs in the same together.
You know what?
Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
I mean, and y'all are in the studio with each other
while you record Gotcha.
Speaker 5 (01:24:57):
In the studio on the phone, facetime, whatever it's
really that's major.
That's major Everything.
Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
As it should be.
That's how classics are created, like that.
Speaker 5 (01:25:08):
Yeah, yeah, and we get on each other's nerves too.
Like man, I gotta do this again.
Man, I don't wanna do thisverse again, and I don't feel
like putting this bass up inhere.
Man, now they want this louder.
But it's all good, though,because it's like we all strive
for perfection, so there's nohard feelings in that, or
nothing.
Speaker 6 (01:25:29):
It was like, quote unquote more established
producers in the city.
Ill kind of just jumped theline Hard, like hard 2025.
Slow down, but Ill like the wayIll come.
Everybody see it and they'rerespecting it and I'm just so
happy for my brother you knowwhat I'm saying that he getting
recognition for what he doing.
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Ill been making beats for what?
Five years now.
Speaker 5 (01:25:53):
Yeah, about five years.
Speaker 6 (01:25:55):
So, naturally.
Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
I am a drummer.
Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
You know, I used to play drums for churches, so
that's where like technicallylike the musical groove.
You know the musical backgroundreally come from.
So, like I just had to make thestep to just buy the equipment
I always wanted to produce.
I always wanted to buy MPC butI just never acted on it.
You know what I mean.
(01:26:18):
It was one of those thingswhere, yeah, money don't make no
money type of situations.
You know what I mean.
So it was just like man, youknow I'm sitting at the crib, I
might as well, just.
You know, at first I waslooking at it as a hobby, but I
didn't take it serious until Brotechnically made the transition
and was like this is the routewe're going to go, this is the
type of music we're going tomake.
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And it was like man, I've beenwanting to just lock in and make
some dope hip-hop anyway, so itwas like perfect timing.
So all that 2020, during thepandemic, I'm working like tip
agency jobs and the majority ofthe time I'm really at home.
You know what I'm saying.
So I'm like, man, I got to dosomething with my time.
I just can't sit here.
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So I just went on the head,bought the npc one and, you know
, sat down, watch a few videos,shout out to scripts.
He came through, showed me howto chop up samples and
everything.
You know what I mean.
And from there it just.
You know.
It was just history.
Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
You know what I mean for the record.
It sounds like you've been atit longer than five years.
Speaker 5 (01:27:20):
Man, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Like I say, that just comesfrom the ability of being around
music.
I was thinking about that.
You know what I mean Knowingmusic, having an earful.
I was about to.
Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
Go ahead, go ahead I was thinking, this is how your
beats.
I was about to say it's likeyou must be classically trained,
because ain't no way.
You've just been making beatsfor five years and you about to
say you had to have beenmusically inclined prior to it.
Because ain't no way.
Because I mean, I want to saythis is that well, two of our
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best five projects that we'veheard this year you've handled
the production for and we don'tconsider that a small feat and
you've made me questionproduction wise, like what the
difference between anindependent and a major is at
this stage in the game.
Because the soundscape thatyou're giving these artists for
me I know because I've beenaround and I've been an
independent artist oh, everymajor city got a bunch of
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independent artists with a bunchof talent.
So for me the producer is kindof the tipping point, and so the
stuff that you put together forthese gentlemen is the tipping
point, in my opinion.
You know what I mean.
So like, shout out to you,shout out to your team.
Now my last question is is it,are you guys doing shows in the
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city with some sort of frequency?
Doing shows in the city withsome sort of frequency?
Is there a plan to kind of like, get out regionally in your
area and do something with youall, having such a strong core
of mcs and producers in chicago,becoming such a hub and will be
in such a hub for a long timeyeah, we was doing a lot last
year.
Speaker 6 (01:28:55):
Like last year was kind of like, um, the city, kind
of a reintroduction of the city, like, oh, this is all here and
I think a lot of the city waslike you know probably listen to
graville, especially a lot ofthe artists.
And then we had a certain showthat, uh, me and water put
together called renaissance ofthe culture, and it was sold out
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, packed and then all of thehip-hop artists was there and I
could just see the look on theirface, the people in front of
like man, I a lot of peopledidn't even know what was really
going on in the city and thenwhatever.
Then from there we did anothershow, um, called purple box.
I got this, um, I'm likeco-owner of this purple box um
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company called purple box.
It does like interactive videosand and it kind of just went
through the city and we.
That was another sellout showand I think that kind of set the
stage.
We ain't been doing as manyshows this year because I think
everybody kind of looking at itlike they want to do the right
shows and then I'm kind of oneof the people that throw some of
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the shows here.
As far as in hip-hop, we gotsome coming up, but you know
there's been a lot of peopletrying to jump on the wave and
they want us to just come pullup and they want to get the
whole crew there, but then theydon't want to break bread, so
I'll be like man, y'all tryingto jump on the wave.
Nah we cool.
Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
We might as well do our own show Plus like too.
You know, we'll do it.
Wherever we can to help y'allthrow it, we'll pull up and help
y'all throw it yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:30:25):
Man, we need to do that For real.
That would be great.
I'm serious.
I mean it's too bad.
Speaker 4 (01:30:35):
I mean.
So I tell y'all, like no no, no, we can tell.
Speaker 5 (01:30:37):
Even with us going back and forth to Detroit too.
You know what I mean.
We went to Detroit, did acouple shows with Bazaar too,
you know what I mean, and thatkind of helped us outside of the
city to throw some of theseshows.
They came to us, we came tothem and we look at it as a nice
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market.
Detroit is actually a beautifulcity to actually do hip-hop in.
They actually got a beautifulhip-hop scene.
That kind of like took, took meaway.
You know what I mean.
I was like damn, I ain't know,it was like this, but they so
locked in with us.
You know what I mean.
That it's just man, it's justcrazy, but yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:31:18):
Detroit got a lot of hitters too yeah they got some
hitters, bro.
Yeah, detroit got some hittersyeah, they got some hitters.
Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
I be peeping.
They music scene too.
They got some guys out there,yeah we did a Chicago to Detroit
thing.
Speaker 6 (01:31:30):
I went out there.
I had Link with Bazaar.
Bazaar's name is Rufus, so itwas only right I had him on the
project and he kind of hereached out to me.
I went and did, performed athis birthday party show, and I
locked in with him and TaffFerris and Guilty Simpson and
just a lot of other cats outthere, and they showed a lot of
love.
Then Bazaar pointed to thesatellite bro y'all.
(01:31:52):
The bigger market though, andso then we went back out there
and we did like the Chicago toDetroit thing, where we all went
out there me, guy, jujela,panamera P.
Then they came back up here.
It's dope yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:32:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:32:17):
I'm in classic studios, guys All right fellas
we're about to let y'all go Forsure.
Speaker 5 (01:32:24):
I just want to say no , no, no, you're good.
Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
We're about to let y'all go.
Ill Dirty.
Rufus is out on every majorstreaming platform, correct?
Yes, sir, yes sir.
Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
Ill City was saying something real quick.
Speaker 5 (01:32:38):
I was saying I love the show watching.
Ever since I learned about it,I've been watching it like every
Thursday you know so dopeconcept, love the fact that
y'all show love to undergroundartists such as Rufus.
I Am God, man, the topics be onpoint.
(01:32:59):
You know the album reviews andeverything.
Y'all put a lot of people onnewer hip-hop because a lot of
people don't know that they canactually go out and find a nice.
You know the undergroundactually is really bringing a
better sound than the mainstream.
They just got to go look for it.
You know what I mean.
(01:33:19):
It's pure.
Yeah, it's pure, but it'splatforms like y'all, man, it's
platforms like y'all thatactually keep us going, man, and
y'all give people theinformation and people receive
that, man, and we've received alot of love since y'all guys did
the review on the album.
Man, it's been crazy.
So I love, love that for y'all.
Thank y'all for both reviewsactually for me, man appreciate
(01:33:43):
it hey I appreciate
Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
y'all hey, ill, I'll share something with you and
rufus before I get out of here,and this is conversations that
I've had when I am god behindthe scenes, when I was an artist
and this is down here inatlanta I mean, I had people
that knew me and that I wasconnected to, like djs that I
helped promote the major radio.
Like they used to ask me formoney, like to play my shit, and
(01:34:05):
I'm like I'm like you know me,it's like nigga, help spark your
shit.
And so for me, me being in iton this side was always about
the artist who I thought mayhave next.
You know what I'm saying.
Like whoever it is, it's Idon't care who it is, it's like
I just want them to get theirfair due and their fair shake,
(01:34:25):
because that's how the game usedto work.
Is that like the media outletsused to put you on to the
motherfucker that was next, andit's like it became a money
thing and it's like, no, I'm ahustler myself, I like my paper
too, but like not at the expenseof the game.
You know what I'm saying and soanytime we can run across the
camp like y'all.
it's like and I've been tellingSean and AG this since me and
Sean and AG actually met up forthe first time it's like, oh no,
(01:34:47):
we got to go to Chicago and gosee these guys.
We got to be at a show live.
Speaker 6 (01:34:55):
So you know other with y'all.
That would be amazing, bro.
We got to do that for real wedo yeah, we down for that.
Speaker 5 (01:35:06):
Get the security right.
When y'all get the chance, man,go back and listen to some of
Rufus' other work.
Man, I think you guys havereally enjoyed the work that
Rufus has presented before theIll Dirty Rufus.
I'll never take nothing awayfrom those projects, because
that's how I actually got to IllDirty Rufus is the guys making
the projects.
You know what I mean.
(01:35:26):
You know he's one of the most.
You know this is my brother.
I've been knowing him for like15 years plus.
You know what I mean.
So like this, you know it wasjust easy doing a project like
this.
You know what I mean,especially like me and him know
each other, come from the samehood, grew up you know.
But yeah, this brother isactually history.
(01:35:47):
You know he had a lot of familyhistory out here too.
You know you can learn about it.
But yeah, definitely, rufusSims is one of the ones man.
Go back and listen to his wholediscography man, you won't be
disappointed.
Speaker 6 (01:36:04):
I appreciate y'all and I love y'all opinion on
hip-hop and y'all very versed onsports too, I see.
You know, what.
I'm saying that's my life,that's my life sports and
hip-hop man.
Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
Yeah, appreciate it guys, rufus, you're, that's my
life sports and hip-hop man.
Yeah, appreciate it, guys.
What's up, rufus, you're goingto like my new show coming soon.
I'm going to be getting intosome more sports stuff too.
Me and Sean have been talkingabout doing some more
sports-related stuff.
Speaker 5 (01:36:30):
Yeah, All three of you, y'all nice.
Speaker 6 (01:36:34):
Y'all nice with it.
A lot of people don't even knowwhat they be talking about.
Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
Appreciate you, fellas.
Peace.
Peace, peace, that was dope,that was dope.
Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Y'all haven't heard the project yet, go check it out
.
Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Rufus Sims, ill Dirty Rufus on all streaming
platforms produced by Ill Citywe need to go in the summertime
because I'm not going to Chicagoin late November, absolutely
not not at all, absolutely notcrazy.
Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
We skipped over the inspiration for the time and we
didn't talk about the DirtyJoint, the return to 36 on the
anniversaries.
Y'all want to get that realquick.
Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Well, actually that's what I was actually about to
kind of get to.
Oh, okay, time-wise, I knewthey were already ready.
That's why I was like, well,well, let's go ahead and jump to
them.
Go ahead and get to this on.
Where do you rank this album inthe Wu-Tang solo catalog?
(01:37:58):
Would be my question for today.
Where does this album rank inthe Wu-Tang solo catalog?
Would be my question for today.
Where does this album rank inthe Wu-Tang solo catalog?
Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
Right, this is tough, it's tough, yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Because I think placing the album in the Wu solo
catalog will be able to provideappropriate context from there.
Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
I'm going to say six or seven Because this is early.
This is only the second soloproject.
Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
This is early.
There's still, I'm going to saysix or seven for me.
Sean, what say you?
Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
Cuba Link Jezza Liquid Swords.
Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
Man, you got Supreme.
Iron.
Man Cuban Link Liquid Swordsright.
Speaker 1 (01:38:52):
About five or six.
I have it over to Cal.
Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
I got Cuban Links too over this.
That's a push, that's a push.
Yeah, that's a conversation,and I think Pillage is a
conversation for me, because Ihold Pillage high.
Coop knows this.
Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
Look, man, you know how I feel about the Pillage.
I won't put Pillage over this.
We can't be having a feel aboutthe pillage.
I won't put pillage over this.
Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
We can't be having a conversation about the pillage
in conversation oh my god, okay,look here.
I had to clip Coop's reaction.
Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
But I love the pillage man, I really do.
But, um, this was a nice changeof pace, like Sean always talks
about when he waxes poeticabout this album and I think
about the entertainment factor.
It's one of the mostentertainment, entertaining
albums ever made and coming offof to cal being the second solo
(01:39:50):
I mean the first solo album into cal, 36 chamber was gritty
and grungy.
To cal took it to an even moredark and damp place.
You know what I'm saying Thaneven 36 Chambers was.
And then, coming off of Takao,you got.
This album, like Sean said somany times, is real bright and
entertaining, good change ofpace and I think that we're
(01:40:15):
talking about where it ranksamong the solo catalogs.
Just the entertainment factorand Dirty's style, what he
brings to the table will help itleapfrog some of those other
albums.
That's a close conversation.
You have to give Dirty's albumthe edge.
If I'm being objective, so itprobably falls in about five and
before you know, one of youtake the mic.
(01:40:35):
I just want to point this outbecause I was talking to Sean
about it and I had a thoughtDirty's position with the Woo.
We actually spoke about it onthe last show, on the latter
albums where he was, you know,god Bless the Dead when he had
transitioned.
That's the one element, thatingredient that was missing, you
(01:40:59):
know, from their albums.
You know what he brought to thetable and it got me to thinking
Dirty.
His contributions to hip hop wasjust so major but it was in a
limited, you know, concentration, if that makes sense, because
if you think about all thoseother solo albums from the woo
(01:41:20):
it's not a lot of dirty featuresout out there.
You talk about dual of the ironmic.
That's one of the only fewfeatures on the solo albums.
But he just adds thatingredient, like he does the
hook and takes the track to awhole another level.
Then you got joints.
That's scattered on soundtrackslike diesel from the soul in
the Hole soundtrack, windpipefrom Belly he's like it's just
(01:41:43):
joints here and there.
But Dirty wasn't really poppingup all over the place on these
Wu projects.
So his presence when he did,you know, get on a song, it was
really felt.
I mean, of course he had thebig hits outside of the Wu camp
the mariah fantasy remix andthen the um ghetto superstar and
stuff like that.
(01:42:03):
But I'm just talking about woojoints.
It's not a whole lot ofmaterial out there featuring
dirty and that made me a littlesad when I thought about it,
because he is the brightest spotof the group, if that makes
sense.
You know what I'm saying.
And it's not a whole lot ofmaterial out there outside of 36
Chambers and his contributionsto Forever, where he's really
(01:42:26):
with the Klan, a whole lot.
Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
Let me ask you this though, both of you guys when
does he fit on the Cuban link?
Honestly, where does he fit?
Speaker 3 (01:42:37):
He doesn't belong in that chamber because that's a
different chamber.
Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
And I'm okay with that.
I give what you're saying, thesample size is not as much as
you probably want.
Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
I've often thought to myself that he should have you
guys verse on knuckleheads.
Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
I love that verse, though I think you kind of need
you.
Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
I love that verse.
I love that verse.
But when I listen to the beatand when I listen to like the
story being told by Ray andGhost, I'm like no, that would
be actually a great place toinsert Dirty.
So if you're asking me wherethat would be, where, I think
you got what's needed for thatreason alone.
Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
Just for that, because if you think about the
aesthetic of Cuban Link, thatwas orchestrated very well and
executed even better.
Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
I got it.
I got it, though I'm sorry mybad Sean.
Speaker 1 (01:43:29):
He just didn't fit.
If anything, I would havewanted to see him more on Liquid
Swords, just because theconnective tissue between him
and GZA, because GZA brought alot.
Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
He's on Duel of the Iron Mike.
Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
I'm talking about more because the connective
tissue between him and GZA.
Gza wrote the majority ofReturn to the 36th, so it should
be some carryover into that insome capacity.
But it's very tough to saywhere you can put him in the
play sales.
Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
I got it.
I got it and it would makesense when you hear it
Wildflower.
Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
That's Iron man.
Yeah, that's some old shit,yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
Yeah, it is Iron man.
Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
But yeah, I can see that.
No, he fits on Wildflower,though you are right about the
fit.
Yeah, okay so here's the thing.
You said Cuban, are you areright about the fit?
Yeah, okay, so so here's thething.
You said cuban links, did yousean?
Yeah, yeah, so here.
So here's what.
So here's what I would say.
I would tell you that thisalbum should be fifth in the
solo catalog, and it would beslightly over the purple tape
too, and here's why the purpletape, too, is better, from
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beginning to end.
There is no brooklyn zoo no,there's the shimmy shimmy.
No, there's baby, come on.
There's no hippa to the hopper,no raw hide, no different from
the purple tape too.
Like those, four, five, sixrecords are all classic, classic
, classic hip hop songs.
Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
Right, that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
And so what I'll tell you is that the only actual
solo rap projects out of theWu-Tang Clan that are
definitively better are theoriginal Purple Tape, liquid
Swords, iron man and SupremeKeyword.
Definitively, definitively.
Because here's the thing, and Idon't think people really
(01:45:15):
realize this, and this includesMethod man in this this crew has
never been a bright and happycrew.
No, this has always been a verydense, intense, dark,
street-oriented crew.
Think about this they rose tonotoriety on a song that
literally talks about thestruggles of inner-city life in
Cream and the need for money.
(01:45:36):
They didn't Dirty was the fun.
This is the fun project.
This is the fun album.
This is the fun artist, andhip-hop needs fun.
That's why I like Rufus so much, because when you have one fun
artist, oh it changes thedynamics of the entirety of the
(01:45:58):
group.
It does, and it's why Dirty wasnever the entirety of the group
.
It does, and it's why theirshit was never the same he was
the heart of the group man.
He didn't take it so serious butmuch like I just said Rufus,
he's the southpaw of the group.
It's like, oh, that style justcomes and hits you and it's
infectious and there's nothingthat you can do about it.
Think about how legendary he is.
(01:46:18):
Aj, you spoke to this.
He barely made any material,guys, but the stuff that he made
is so impactful, like thequality of it.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
Yeah it's there.
Speaker 1 (01:46:34):
You only get one return to the 36th chance.
That's the thing, that's theunique part about it.
You can only do that once.
You cannot do that again, and,again and again.
You can only do that one timehe.
Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
I hear what you're saying.
He can't do Brooklyn Zoo again.
But Niggaplease is essentiallyShimmy, Shimmy Yari done a
variety of ways.
Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
It's entertaining.
It's just as entertaining.
It's entertaining, yes.
Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
That's what I'm saying in terms of that
entertaining factor of like oh,this is old, dirty bastard the
entertainer, not the rapper.
Speaker 3 (01:47:09):
It's the same chamber , but it's a different part of
the chamber.
Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
It doesn't give you that same feel.
Think about his brain.
Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
No, it doesn't, but that's what I mean about it not
being as hip-hop oriented.
It's the entertainer Thinkabout this Name a rapper that
could actually remake BillieHoliday's Good Morning Heartache
and Rick James' Cold Blooded onthe same album.
Speaker 3 (01:47:36):
Nobody would attempt it, nobody would attempt it.
Think about that.
Speaker 1 (01:47:39):
I didn't like it in the very beginning was crazy.
Nobody would attempt it.
Think about that.
I didn't like it in the verybeginning, fellas.
I'm being honest, nobody woulddo that.
Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
I didn't like it in the very beginning, but think
about it.
If you actually follow theartist, it's like no that
actually makes perfect sensethat he did it.
I mean it's like not on somerap shit, but he did
artistically maintain thatentertainment, that fun and the
(01:48:05):
high-quality song-making.
So you're not going to get aBrooklyn Zoo or a Raw Hide, but
it's like, oh no, you're goingto get cold-blooded Redone.
You are going to get the actualrecord, nigga, please, with the
RZA in the back screaming youcan never fuck with the dog.
Speaker 3 (01:48:21):
That's why I said a couple shows ago on Conditioner
on the W.
As much as I like that song, itkind of makes me sad when I
hear it because you can hear thepain in his voice.
It's not the fun dirty that weknow Granted, it's recorded from
jail but you can hear the painin his voice with that.
Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
So this is what I mean.
There's a fine line between thepain and this is what I mean
about Good Morning Heartachemaking sense on Nigga, please.
Oh no, he's saying shit on thatalbum.
I get the cocaine.
It cleans up my sinuses.
Oh, he's still going.
I was still going then.
Right, he's a wild boy.
He's still a wild boy on there,so shout out to Dirty.
(01:49:00):
Return to the 36 ChambersClassic Top five songs.
An album that is not top fiveWu-Tang album on any level is
celebrating the musicanniversary as well.
Meth Ray and Ghost released WuMassacre on 3.30.10.
Okay, the only thing that's amassacre is what this album's
sounding like.
This is an atrocity.
(01:49:21):
All three of them should beashamed of themselves.
There's three good records, onefor each great rapper on here.
That is nasty.
I thought the album was alright.
It's three records.
Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
It wasn't great.
I think it was kind of leavingyou wanting more.
I think of leaving you wantingmore.
I think it leave you wantingmore because a lot of these, all
the tracks on this album itactually leaked way before the
album came out.
There were Lucy's all over theplace when this album came out
and I don't even think it was.
It should have been an officialalbum.
It could have been a mixtape.
(01:49:54):
To be quite honest, I agree itcould have been a mixtape, but
they released it as afull-length album and you got
three of the most potent MCs, orthree of the most potent MCs in
Vogue.
I don't think they pulled itoff.
Speaker 3 (01:50:08):
My only complaint is I love Mef, but I think the
third person should have beenCapadonna, because those three
got the chemistry.
Speaker 1 (01:50:15):
That's a good quote, man, or Dex, dex wasx.
Originally it was going to be,I think Dex got his czar face
thing.
Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
Dex got his czar face thing he's like.
I got some top.
I got some top billing overhere.
Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
I'm not doing that you rolling your eyes, coop, but
name a track with all threeKappa Ray and Ghost on it.
That's not classic.
Name one humor me, coop.
Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
No, a Ray and Ghost on it.
That's not classic Name one.
Humor me, humor me, coop.
No, okay, first of all, I likeCapadonna.
I like the Pillage.
I just don't like Capadonna andthe Pillage as much as you all.
Ray, ghost and Capa are epictogether.
The level that we've had totalk about Capadonna and the
Pillage in the year that we'vebeen doing this podcast is
(01:50:59):
fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
The poor rhythm on Soul.
Paul, it is fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
We have talked about the pillage.
I want to count on how manytimes we have talked about the
pillage.
We have talked about thepillage like 92 times in a
calendar year.
It is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
It is ridiculous, cooper, it's the right thing to
do.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (01:51:21):
I'm going to go listen to Super Ninjas when we
get done.
Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
Is that going to make you feel?
Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
better yeah, milk this cow Milk this cow is my
joint though Milk.
This cow is my joint.
That is my favorite joint.
That's the cow's fire.
Feels like a fish knockoff fromIron man, but whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:51:40):
Nah, it ain't competing with fish at all.
That's one of the true.
It feels like a fish knockofffrom Iron man, but whatever,
yeah, yeah, nah, it ain'tcompeting with fish at all.
That's one of the true master.
Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
That's one of the best movies ever.
We eat fish.
Fish is epic Rap ballads, crazy, crazy record.
Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
It is crazy.
Okay, Speaking of more Wu-Tang,it's a Wu-Tang Forever type of
show.
Method man and Red man havesome new music out.
It's a Red man song, La La Laoff his Muddy Waters 2 album,
but the remix has been done bynone other than DJ Premier.
Guys, what do we think aboutthis DJ Premier remix with Red
(01:52:13):
man and Method man?
La La.
Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
La.
I feel like Premier is rampingup a little bit.
I feel like Premier's rampingup a little bit.
Like you know, after the Marcyjoint, I think this is another
hot joint that he put out there.
So if he keeps on, you knowwhat I mean.
Seems like he's getting moreactive, putting out more joints
and then leading us to this Nasalbum.
I get a little bit moreconfident with every little
loose to your single that he'sputting out since the rock Marcy
(01:52:39):
joint.
Yeah, I can dig it.
Speaker 1 (01:52:40):
I think it's just a wrap up every little loosey or
single that he's putting out,since the Rock Marcy joint.
Yeah, I can dig it.
I think it's just a wrap up.
I don't think it's somethingthat was supposed to do anything
more than that.
I just think it's a wrap up.
I really do Nothing to go crazyover, respectfully, but both of
them sound good on PremiereProduction.
By the way, Method may stillsound good man, which the way
Red Method Method may stillsound good man.
It's crazy.
(01:53:01):
It still sounds crisp man.
Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
I liked it.
I felt like it was a step up.
Yeah.
It's a step up.
I don't have too much more tosay than that it's a remix
record.
Yeah, it's a remix record.
I mean, Redman and Method manare consistently great when
they're together.
They're not doing anythingmind-boggling.
(01:53:27):
The beat is pretty dope.
I think the drums and thesnares and the kicks are nice.
It's a good beat.
Speaker 1 (01:53:34):
Yeah, this is a little loosey Something to get
us ready.
Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
Yeah, something a little in and out.
You know, not good, not bad.
You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, a little 3.5.
Yeah, yeah, light that up,smoke it.
You know it's all good.
Method man and Red man La La LaRemix that's it now you about
to wax poetic though.
(01:53:59):
I was about to say.
But now to the moment.
We've all been waiting for, themoment of truth.
On March 31st in 1998, one ofthe truly great rap albums of
all time got created.
I feel like that.
The moment of truth, quitefrankly, is a top 20 rap album
all time.
When I talk about all timegreat rap albums, very few of
(01:54:21):
those rap albums have more than15 songs on them.
This is one of the five albumsthat does, and so not only is it
great, it's great on everylevel, by every measure,
including, like you know, as faras extended length player.
You could argue that therearen't five rap albums with a
better collection of songs,because this one actually has a
collection of 19 songs, and themajority of those songs are
(01:54:43):
actually stellar.
They're 20.
Well, I don't count.
There's one in the middle wherethe chick's just talking.
Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
Oh no, that goes into the.
You know what I'm saying?
That's blended with anothertrack.
That's a two-part track.
That's the oh shit, what isthat?
Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
that's uh I got them all written down.
That's the um.
I think that's uh, my advice toyou.
My advice to you new york,straight talk uh-uh it's um,
it'll come to me.
Speaker 3 (01:55:16):
Um, your rep grows big.
The rep grows bigger, I think.
I think it's the rap growsbigger when she's doing the
shout outs Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
It's like two minutes worth of shout outs and it's
the same thing in memory of.
So it's like I kind of count itas 19, because both of those
songs aren't really complete.
Complete songs, but thoughts onMoment of Truth.
Guys, ag, you want to kick usoff?
Speaker 3 (01:55:42):
yeah, I think this is their magnum opus.
Man, I think um, premiere is atan all-time high.
I think guru, as an mc, is atan all-time high on this.
Um, dope concept, dope rhymes.
Um, as far as like front toback, you know um, from track
one to the end of the album,this is their best album.
Some people may say hard toearn, but I disagree.
(01:56:04):
I think this is D1.
You know this is by far the oneand it's a really great album.
I think it's a Bob Mike album.
Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
It's up there.
I don't know if I'd give it aBob Mike, I'd definitely give it
a 4.5, but I really feel like Igive it a 4.5 respectfully.
I think from front to back,paws is the best.
It's their best album to me.
It's their best albumproduction wise.
The completion of theproduction to me is the best
(01:56:39):
that we've seen in one setting.
Guru did his thing on it.
Really.
He wrote an entire album.
The only thing I dock it for.
If I had to dock it foranything and this is just really
, really, really, really pullinghairs, if you will, or just
being anal about it for us it'sjust more so just I wonder if we
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would have condensed it.
Take my two or three songs offand make it a little bit more
condensed.
Then I would have given more ofa classic, but I wouldn't argue
with nobody who feels this is aclassic.
I wouldn't say you think it's aclassic.
I just give it a four and ahalf.
I think that it's a greatcompletion of an album, a full
body album, but I wouldn't giveit a full classic.
Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
But I love this album .
But again I won't argue.
Speaker 1 (01:57:23):
If you got a classic, you got a five mic.
You got a five mic.
I just wish it was a little bitshorter, that's all.
Speaker 2 (01:57:30):
This is one of the few easy fives I've ever
actually listened to in my life.
In my opinion, where I don'targue about the five of it I
hear what you're saying Like,for me, some albums are just
five.
The Infamous is a five, this isa five, the Low End Theory is a
five.
It's like that for me when itcomes to this album.
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And you're right, ag, you'reright, guru never sounded better
on here.
But production-wise, whenwe're're talking about actual
beat side of it and the actualexecutive production side of it,
it's arguably the bestexecutive production and
production of beats that theeast coast ever presented from
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one producer outside of a rizzoproject.
And so that's what I mean islike, oh no, it's special.
It's like there's Q-tip on thelow end theory, there's RZA on
liquid swords in the purple tapeand then there's primo, moment
of truth as far as East coastproducers like, as far as like,
manifesto jobs.
And so this is this is amanifesto job in my opinion, so
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just the production alone makesit a five.
I did is a manifesto job in myopinion, so just the production
alone makes it a five.
Um, I did a little thing todayand I was just having some fun
and I'm gonna post it when we'redone where I was realizing, if
you go through all the stuffthat preem was doing, you know,
before um, before moment oftruth came out, he really held
all his best beats for guru.
Like it's remarkable when youlook at the stuff that he did
because I went back and listenedto some of the.
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Like it's remarkable when youlook at the stuff that he did
because I went back and listenedto some of the other stuff,
it's like, oh no, he kept thebest beats, like with the best
drums.
Like the best drums that he didare all on here.
Like he didn't give none ofthat shit away.
He didn't give it to Rakim, hedidn't give it to Nas, he didn't
give it to Jay, he didn't giveit to Jay, he didn't give it to
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Big.
Big got the best of it becauseBig got 10 Crack Commandments.
That was the accident.
That wasn't for Big, that wassome old shit.
Prima done.
Big just had him go back andcook that back up.
So, outside of kicking the door, I can't think of in a million
and one questions.
I was going through the stuffand I'm like, no, he gave all of
the best beats to Guru.
But I thought to myself whatwould it look like had he
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actually given these beats awayto someone else?
So I did a top three list ofall the beats that I thought the
emcees would have rhymed overbest over the beat.
So do you mind if I run it downright quick.
It looks like you wanted to jumpin and say no, no, go ahead, go
ahead.
So for you Know my Steez, Ithink big would have sounded
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epic on you know my C's, and soI actually got big at number one
on you know my C's.
I got KRS-One at number two.
I got Rock Him at number three.
Oh, quick caveat you had tohave been on a beat by DJ
Premier before Moment of Truthfor me to include you in this
list of people.
So these are all the peoplethat had already rhymed on
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Premier's beats, so couldprobably get a Premier beat
because they had already had oneFor Robin Hood Theory.
I thought this beat would befor J Rue Damage, J Rue, the
damage of the best.
I have Bahamadi at second.
A lot of people forget that heworked on Bahamadi's collage
album.
So I have Bahamadiya at second.
A lot of people forget that heworked on Bahamadiya's collage
album, so I have Bahamadiya.
And then I have Prodigy atthird.
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A lot of people forget that heproduced a record off Juvenile
Hell on Mobb Deep's first album.
So Prodigy, I'm going to makethis list.
Hit it from the back.
Yep, For work.
I got Jay.
When I listen to this beat, Ithink Jay would go crazy on work
.
I love to beat the work.
I got KRS-One at two.
I got Nas at three.
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For work For royalty.
I got Nas at one.
I got Rock M at two.
I got OC at three.
Oc For above the clouds listento this.
I got Big because I think Bigwould sound great on above the
clouds.
Listen to this.
I got big because I think bigwould sound great on above the
clouds too.
It would Well, big would soundgreat on everything.
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I got J.
My third choice ODB.
Interesting ODB the Big DaddyKane joint that Preem did.
Odb is on that joint.
Yes, A lot of people forgetabout that.
I thought ODB yeah, yeah, A lotof people forget about that.
I thought ODB, yeah, yeah, Alot of people forget that.
So I think ODB would soundpretty great over above the
clouds too, Like something alittle bit outside of the box
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for that.
Jfk to LAX.
I got J.
I think that would be the beatfor J that J would take.
Of all the stuff that I heardon here, I think that that beat
fix J-Style the best.
The next two options are goingto kind of throw you off a
little bit.
Chub Rock and the Lady of Rageare my two and three for that.
He did some stuff for Lady ofRage and he's been doing stuff
for Chub Rock.
Chub Rock is nice.
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People forget Chub Rock is nice.
He only made one album, butthat album was nice.
Chub Rock can spit.
Speaker 3 (02:02:20):
I used nice chub rock can spit out of cousin that
used to play the album all thetime man like
Speaker 2 (02:02:23):
it's a great album.
Chub rock was nice.
He's nice, was nice.
It's a setup.
I thought this beat was perfectfor rock him.
I actually think he probablyshould have taken this beat
instead of a couple of otherbeats he actually ended up
taking from preen.
But that's a whole nother story.
Actually it's a setup beat.
I was was like this is the OGbeat because I got Rakim Kane
and KRS-One as the people thatshould take this beat.
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The actual Moment of Truthrecord.
I have Nas at one.
I think that would be therecord he should rhyme over.
I got Heavy D at two.
I got Kane at three On BI vsFriendship.
I got Kane at three On BI vsFriendship.
I got Fat Joe at one.
I got DOS Effects at two.
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Wild Card.
I got Shaheen at three.
Speaker 3 (02:03:12):
That is Wild Card I like it.
Speaker 2 (02:03:13):
I like it 98, Shaheen .
Yeah, I like it.
Yeah, Shaheen on BI vsFriendship yeah, good look the
Militia.
I got KRS-One.
The Militia got KRS-One allover it to me.
I got OC after that and then Igot J at third.
The rep grows bigger.
I got JRu and then I got Bigand then I got Prodigy.
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What I'm here for, what I'mhere for, is Kane.
I love that record.
I think Kane would float herefor Me too.
I got Nas at two and then I gotJay at three on there Four.
She Knows what she Wants.
I got Bahamadia Another sleeperpick.
I got AG at number two fromShowbiz and AG.
Speaker 3 (02:03:59):
I'm the original AG, though I'm not joking.
Okay, that's actually my heavyD at number three.
My fault, I was just going tosay this is my least favorite
record on the album.
Speaker 2 (02:04:16):
It probably is mine too, ag.
It's on the bottom half.
How about this?
This album's a five to mebecause if you're telling me
that this is like the weekrecord five, right, new York,
straight Talk.
Right, new York, straight Talk.
I picked Rakim again for that.
I got Prodigy at number two.
Got Chubb Rock at number three.
My advice to you.
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I got Prodigy at this one.
I would love to hear prodigyover my advice to you.
That would be fire.
I like that.
I got yeah.
I got yeah, 98 prodigy over myadvice to you.
I think the title would fit too.
Yeah, that sounds like aprodigy record opening bar would
be crazy yeah yeah, the openingbar would be crazy.
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I hit you with a brick and thenleave your moms out the building
.
And I got Nas at 3 for Make EmPay.
I actually think Make Em Paywould be a great J record.
I got J Rue at 2.
I got KRS at 3.
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The Mall is my least favoriterecord, ag.
I think I got J Rue at two.
I got KRS at three.
The Mall is my least favoriterecord AG.
I think I got DOS FX at numberone for this one, yeah, because
it kind of has that rowdy kindof like up-tempo thing that they
were known for in the early 90s, you know.
And it's got the kind of likeold school.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:05:40):
No, no, no, I like, like it, I mean this in a good
way.
These, I mean I'm a flying, youknow, I'm saying I used to kill
them all, so right.
Speaker 2 (02:05:46):
Okay, we're just gonna go to the next one.
I got prodigy one more time atnumber one for betrayal.
I think prodigy would soundgreat over betrayal.
And then I got naz and Madea.
Right after that On Next Time Igot Rock, MJ and OC and on In
Memory Of I got Big Nas and Kane.
So that was just a little fun Iwas having.
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I'm going to post the listafterwards.
I think it's a top 20 rap albumof all time.
Speaker 3 (02:06:13):
A couple quick thoughts.
That was a fire concept that'sgoing to come into play later.
Speaker 1 (02:06:18):
It's crazy how we all on the same wavelength that is
a very creative thought, but italso gives credence to me
feeling like it's not a classicbecause we just took Guru off of
every song and replaced hisvoice.
Don't do that.
Speaker 3 (02:06:32):
Sean, that was an exercise.
Did Coop freeze?
There you go.
A lot of Bahamadi love on yourlist, coop.
If I heard right, it wasn't anyAZ or Big L on here.
I'm here.
Speaker 4 (02:06:50):
It wasn't an AZ.
No, not AZ or Big L yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:06:52):
Yeah.
We got some super chats as well.
Fellas Coop, you there.
Speaker 2 (02:07:02):
There you go, all right.
Speaker 3 (02:07:08):
I think he froze again, Froze again.
Coop Might have to hop out andhop back in.
Speaker 1 (02:07:14):
Let's get a super chat real quick.
Speaker 3 (02:07:17):
Double barrier.
It's a classic that does seem abit long.
Their best, I mean to hold upthat level of consistency
through 20 tracks is difficult.
Speaker 1 (02:07:27):
Yes, I would not argue with anyone saying it's a
classic.
I would not Straight up anddown.
Speaker 3 (02:07:34):
You're raising your head with the $5 Super Chat.
We appreciate you, man.
If Moment of Truth was a MobbDeep album, where would it rank
in their catalog?
I ask the same question forTribe, called Quest, as well.
Speaker 1 (02:07:46):
Again, that's another good question, because you're
taking Guru out the frame.
You're taking Guru away from itand you're replacing Guru with
other MCs.
Yeah, that's another question.
Would you want to hear MobbDeep on every track, though, of
this album?
Speaker 3 (02:08:07):
The production.
You don't get to say Mobb Deepover Primo production as you do
over Havoc production.
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:08:16):
Square point, though we got Raisin Head sean is guru
the reason?
Speaker 3 (02:08:23):
uh, you don't think it's a classic?
Speaker 1 (02:08:26):
I think that's the reason ag and coop just shared
as well.
I mean, they just replaced gurualmost every track.
Speaker 3 (02:08:33):
Rest in peace, guru coop did a dope little concept
exercise.
Speaker 2 (02:08:38):
Man Sean tried to turn this into something else
all I'm saying is is that ifPrimo doesn't work on this album
, where do these beats go?
Because there's obviously guysthat are going to take them
that's a perfect transition.
Speaker 3 (02:08:55):
Is that all the super chat, so we can slide to the
next main event?
Okay, fun fact freddie fox wassupposed to be in gangstar and
not guru.
I, I did know that, but thanksfor the super chat.
That's dope.
Um, yeah, it's crazy how he'son the same wavelength coop
because, for you know, sayingour main event today, we had
another little fun exercise.
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Um, me and sean was having aconversation and he was bringing
up the big j and nas recordsthat primo gave to them and how
impactful those records was totheir careers.
And then I started talkingabout how the narrative was a
lot during that time that primogave his best beats outside of
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the camp, a gang star, and yourpoint was that he kept the best
beats for guru.
So in me and sean'sconversation I thought you know
what would be dope between jaynaz and big primo did 20 tracks.
It's 20 tracks on moment oftruth.
So I said let's put moment oftruth through the gauntlet and
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match it up versus style anddon't think about the MCs,
because a lot of times who's ona track can elevate it.
But if we take, say, take Nasout of the equation, take Guru
out of the equation here, onthat side of things, which one
is the better produced track?
So I don't have any vote inthis.
I don't have any dog in thefight, because I curated the
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matchups.
You know what I'm saying.
I tried to match them up asbest as possible with the.
You know vibes and energy andyou know the sound and stuff and
the quality of the track.
So, coop, when you did yourexercise and you was putting
certain MCs on certain tracksand you was putting certain MCs
on certain tracks, some of thematchups is going to, like you
know, spark to your brain.
We was thinking on the samewavelength or whatever.
Speaker 2 (02:10:45):
Okay, Okay, I see Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:10:48):
So, chad, we're going to need your help because I
don't get to be the third votebecause, like I said, I came up
with the matchups, these firstcouple of matchups, or whatever,
but you know, I tried to makeit progressively more difficult
to choose as we go along throughthe battle.
Speaker 1 (02:11:03):
So, Chad, we'll need your input.
It's like Cooper, not meth fora shelf, like there's no right
or wrong answer, just more so,right.
Speaker 3 (02:11:11):
Because I don't even know what the matchup looked
like.
Right, yeah, so they don't haveno clue.
This is blind.
I'm the only person who youknow what I'm saying.
I clue this is blind.
I'm the only person who youknow I'm saying I curated the
matchups.
We don't know.
This information has beenhidden from us, right?
So we'll see what my person, uh, my personal thought is that
sean will lean into the jay-z,nas and big tracks coop will
lean to the you know moment oftruth tracks because you hold it
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as a top 20 album.
But these matchups get tougheras they go along, so let's get
it kicked off.
If you're all ready, let's goahead.
First couple rounds, orwhatever Round one.
We got Beat Breaks by Nasversus she Knows what she Wants
off the Moment of Truth album.
Speaker 2 (02:11:50):
She knows what she wants.
Speaker 1 (02:11:52):
Yeah, she knows what she wants, okay yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:11:56):
So that was an easy one.
Like I said, these first couplerounds is fairly easy.
Speaker 1 (02:12:01):
You want me to poll them as well you can okay, I'll
get the second one up, okay,alright, let's go next round.
Speaker 3 (02:12:11):
Define my name by Nas versus my advice to you off the
moment of truth out my adviceto you off the moment of truth,
out my advice to you who.
That's what he has, what yougot, sean.
My advice to you, yeah, Okay,so we'll count that you don't
even have to poll that one,right?
Speaker 1 (02:12:34):
Yeah, let's just poll the ones.
Speaker 3 (02:12:35):
That's a discussion.
Let's just poll the ones thaty'all you know are in
disagreement on.
Let me split them, okay?
All right, that'll be the thirdvote.
All right, now we're startingto get to business a little bit.
Friend of foe 98, specifically98 by jay-z off volume one
versus new york straight talk onmoment of truth friend of foe,
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Picking the beat right Only thebeat.
Speaker 2 (02:13:03):
I'll give Friend of Four 98 that one.
Speaker 1 (02:13:09):
Okay yeah, not by a lot, not by a lot, but it's
there.
Speaker 3 (02:13:12):
This is easy.
Like I said, it's going to getprogressively more difficult as
we go along.
Speaker 1 (02:13:16):
Friend of Four is crazy.
Listen to it, that's crazy.
Yeah, friend of Four.
Speaker 3 (02:13:20):
The original Friend of Four is crazy.
Listen to it, that's crazy.
Yeah, friend of Four, roundfour the original Friend of Four
.
Off Reasonable Doubt by Jayversus the Rep Grows Bigger off.
Moment of Truth.
Speaker 2 (02:13:32):
Rep Grows Bigger.
Speaker 3 (02:13:37):
I ain't mad at it.
Sean's more than a friend.
Speaker 2 (02:13:41):
I went to hear the beat again.
Speaker 1 (02:13:44):
The original friend of foe beat is not like that
it's a little lower grade andagain, I'm trying to separate as
much as I can the MC from thebeat.
It's tough to do.
So what's your pick, sean?
The beat it's tough to do.
It is what's your pick, sean?
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I can't go.
Friend of Fall.
Rep grows bigger.
I agree with Kool.
Friend of Fall, the first oneis not the best.
Speaker 3 (02:14:14):
This is going to show how the moment of truth stacks
up.
Production Roz because we'reputting it through the gauntlet
this will be able to tell, isthe difference maker, guru, and
who rhymes on the other track.
So that's why we're doing thisround number five yeah, round
number five.
Come get me by Nas offNostradamus versus the mall from
moment of truth.
Speaker 1 (02:14:36):
I gotta go, come, get me go in the mall.
Speaker 3 (02:14:39):
I hate that, beat we have me go in the mall.
I hate that beat.
We have to poll it.
The mall, the mall.
Shout out to Jack.
Jack should love this segmentlet me see the mall.
Come get me what we doing first.
One to 20 20 votes, 20 pieces,fine.
Speaker 2 (02:15:01):
What are we doing First?
One to 20 votes 20 pieces, fine.
The 14% of you that said Momentof Truth is not a classic.
I want you stricken from thetrap for life.
Find you niggas out in thestreet, open hand slapping.
Speaker 1 (02:15:16):
Let's see, let's post it in there.
Speaker 2 (02:15:18):
We can all keep going .
Speaker 1 (02:15:20):
AJ and just come back to it, Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:15:25):
You want to get that for a week, Cause in case we got
a poll the next one, can't yourun?
Speaker 1 (02:15:30):
multiple polls, Only one at a time.
Yo, it's happening.
Yo can y'all see it?
Speaker 3 (02:15:38):
It's the first one to 20 y'all see it, it's true, our
first one to 20 didn't call it.
Speaker 2 (02:15:43):
No, I mean we can go to the next one and we'll just
pull it up.
Okay, all right, bet.
Speaker 3 (02:15:49):
Round number six rap phenomenon that's Biggie off the
posthumous Born Again albumfeaturing Method man and Red man
.
Speaker 1 (02:15:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:15:59):
Versus BI, versus Friendship, featuring MOP on
Moment of Truth.
Speaker 2 (02:16:14):
Taking BI versus Friendship.
Speaker 1 (02:16:25):
Yeah, I agree with.
Speaker 2 (02:16:28):
Cole, okay, the mall beat.
Come and get me.
By the way, did it?
Okay?
55 to 45.
Speaker 1 (02:16:37):
All right, close.
I think that's Nas fans keepingit close, though, all right.
Speaker 3 (02:16:40):
Speaking of Nas, round number seven, new York
State of Mind.
Part 2 from I Am versus whatI'm here For, off the moment of
truth.
Speaker 1 (02:16:51):
State of Mind Part 2.
State of Mind Part 2, baby Comeon.
Speaker 2 (02:16:58):
Yeah, barely, but.
Speaker 3 (02:17:00):
I love.
Speaker 2 (02:17:00):
what I'm here for Don't get it twisted, I love it.
Speaker 3 (02:17:03):
That's a hard record right there it is.
Speaker 1 (02:17:05):
That's a tough one.
That's a tough one.
Speaker 3 (02:17:09):
Alright, moving on Round number eight.
Ten Crack Commandments by Bigversus Next Time off the Moment
of Truth.
Ten Crack Commandments.
Speaker 1 (02:17:19):
Ten Crack Commandments.
Ten Crack Commandments, that'shigh level right there, that's
up there.
Speaker 2 (02:17:27):
That's one of his five best beats.
Speaker 1 (02:17:29):
It could very well be that beat is tough.
Speaker 3 (02:17:36):
Round number nine Bring it On by Jay off
reasonable doubt versus makethem pay off the moment of truth
.
Speaker 1 (02:17:45):
make them pay is tough.
Man make them pay is prettytough.
Make them pay is tough.
Speaker 2 (02:17:52):
I'm going make them pay, yeah make them pay make
them pay is tough alright sothat's okay.
Round number 10 let's slow itdown a little bit you can poll
that one if you want to, becausea lot of people in the chat.
Speaker 1 (02:18:11):
Bring it on versus make them pay you want to go
ahead and put that one up?
Speaker 2 (02:18:17):
yeah, let the people decide, because a lot of people
are saying, bring it on.
Okay, you want to go ahead andput that one up?
Yeah, let the people decide,because a lot of people are
saying, bring it on.
Speaker 3 (02:18:25):
Okay, so while they're doing that, all right,
you good Sean.
Yeah, we're going to slow itdown a little bit.
Like I said, trying to matchvibes, we got round number 10.
Second Childhood by Nas offSteelmatic matic versus betrayal
featuring scarface or a momentof truth I'm sorry, say that
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again.
Speaker 2 (02:18:52):
I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you said.
Speaker 3 (02:18:53):
I'm sorry, say that again second childhood off of
still matic by Nas versusBetrayal featuring Scarface off
Moment of Truth.
Slowing it down a little bit onthis matchup, it's Betrayal
Going Betrayal.
Yeah, I'm going Betrayal.
Speaker 1 (02:19:17):
I gotta go.
Second Childhood man Alright,once this other poll is closed,
we gonna have to open that one.
Speaker 3 (02:19:20):
I gotta go.
Second childhood man.
All right, Once this other pollis closed, we gonna have to
open that one.
Speaker 2 (02:19:24):
Oh, okay, make them.
Pay is up 53 to 47 right now,with 15 votes in.
Speaker 1 (02:19:31):
Yeah, we can call that one in.
Speaker 2 (02:19:33):
Now it's 50-50.
Nope, I'll say 50-50.
Come on, somebody close it outfor us, somebody close it out
for us, somebody close it out.
I'll write that one down, we'llcome back to it.
Second Childhood, secondChildhood and Betrayal and
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Betrayal Yep.
Speaker 3 (02:20:01):
Who won the other one ?
I can't see it up on the Bringit on and Is that a gridlock?
Speaker 2 (02:20:07):
Is that a?
Speaker 1 (02:20:08):
gridlock.
Yeah, that's wild, do we callit?
Speaker 3 (02:20:17):
We gotta let one get to 51% Right.
We can call it a draw, we callit.
We got to let one get to 51%Right.
Speaker 1 (02:20:21):
We can call it a draw .
We can call it a draw, thatmight be the first draw.
Nope.
Speaker 2 (02:20:27):
Bring it on.
Just broke the gridlock.
All right, we'll take it.
Bring it on Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:20:33):
Bring it on, all right.
Speaker 3 (02:20:37):
Next one is Second Childhood, second Childhood,
second Childhood Betrayal.
Speaker 1 (02:20:48):
Betrayal.
Alright.
What's the next?
Speaker 3 (02:20:53):
one Round 11 Nas.
I Gave you Power Off.
It Was Written vs Robin HoodTheory Off Moment of Truth.
I Gave you Power Off.
It Was Written versus RobinHood Theory Off Moment of Truth.
Speaker 2 (02:21:04):
I Gave you Power.
Yeah, I think that might be hismost underrated beat.
Actually it is.
Speaker 3 (02:21:10):
It is.
It's real sad, real sad.
It matches the tone of the songit does.
Speaker 2 (02:21:16):
It's underrated because people don't even know
that it's him.
Speaker 3 (02:21:19):
Right, it doesn't have a signature premier sound.
It doesn't All right this.
This is the point of the battle.
Where but?
Speaker 2 (02:21:26):
also to a signature per premier.
Sound would have hurt.
It was written as overall soundand scope, so it's still
execution, especially in 96.
Speaker 3 (02:21:35):
It would have it would have Very good point, yeah
, very good point.
So this it would have signedout very good point.
So this is the part of thebattle where it really heats up
from here on out.
It's crazy.
Alright, number 12, roundnumber 12.
So Ghetto by Jay-Z off volume 3versus.
It's A Set Up off Moment ofTruth.
I love so.
Speaker 2 (02:21:57):
Ghetto, I do too.
I'm with Soghetto on thatactually.
Speaker 1 (02:22:02):
I gotta go Soghetto.
Speaker 2 (02:22:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:22:04):
Soghetto's actually one of my favorite.
Speaker 2 (02:22:08):
Soghetto's, one of my favorite J records.
Speaker 1 (02:22:11):
It is one of my favorite J records, for real.
Speaker 2 (02:22:12):
Yeah, see me in the streets with no bodyguard, just
two big guns, though the body issmall.
Speaker 3 (02:22:20):
Listen, this is Primo competing with himself, Like
did he give the best beats toother people outside the camp or
keep them for Guru in theirmagnum opus?
This is where it heats up Roundnumber 13.
Memory Lane versus In Memory Of.
Speaker 1 (02:22:44):
Memory Lane.
Speaker 2 (02:22:44):
Memory Lane.
Memory Lane is memory laneversus a memory of memory lane.
Memory lane memory lane is oneof those man, it's one of those.
It's one of those beat wise,it's one of those.
Yeah, yeah, like lyrically it'sthat, but beat wise, it's that
too and it doesn't even soundlike another primor track.
Speaker 1 (02:22:55):
It doesn't fit what he was doing it.
Speaker 2 (02:22:57):
That's, that's, that's fair, that's right I
think ilmatic is when his soundgot established, though, because
when people are like, well, hegave nas and big and all those
guys better beats, it's like,yeah, when he was done with the
gangsta album, like he did thisin between two gangsta albums
and and then he blew up so hedid hold everything, like from
95 to 98, he held everything forguru okay, so did we get a
(02:23:20):
winner on Second Childhoodversus Betrayal?
Speaker 3 (02:23:22):
I'll let you check.
Speaker 2 (02:23:24):
Let's check Second Childhood's winning, although.
I don't agree, you can go aheadand call that it's too far
ahead.
It's 69-31 with 15.
69, yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:23:33):
Big J and Nas is on a run.
They got the last handful ofrounds.
All right, coop, I'm going toask you this you know my Steez,
when you said, did your exerciseat MC's, who did you pick as
the number one for that record,big?
Speaker 2 (02:23:47):
Big, big name all over it.
Speaker 3 (02:23:52):
So for round 14, I got Kickin' the Door versus.
You Know my Steez Kickin' theDoor man.
Speaker 2 (02:23:58):
Kickin'.
You Know my Steez Kickin' thedoor man.
Kicking.
You know my Steve's Kicking thedoor man.
Let's put it in the polls.
Speaker 1 (02:24:04):
Let's put it in the polls.
That's a tough one.
That's a tough one.
I ain't gonna lie.
That's a tough one.
Speaker 3 (02:24:09):
Put it in the polls.
Put it in the polls.
Speaker 2 (02:24:13):
Yeah, see, y'all are thinking about Big's mic
performance.
Y'all ain't thinking about thebeat, the mic performance.
Speaker 3 (02:24:17):
I ain't thinking about the beat, no, I love the
beat.
That's my second favoritepremiere beat of all time.
My top three is Above theClouds Kicking the Door, and
then New York.
State of Mind.
That's my top three.
Speaker 2 (02:24:30):
You know my C's might be my favorite Gangstar record
Period.
Speaker 1 (02:24:35):
No, my C's is crazy.
I was thinking about.
Speaker 3 (02:24:37):
Nas' Like, Nas' Like would be in there, three or four
, something like that.
Speaker 1 (02:24:40):
But yeah, I just pulled that.
That's a bit tough one, man,yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:24:47):
Go to the next one.
That poll is going to happenfast.
Speaker 1 (02:24:49):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3 (02:24:51):
Round number 15.
Jay-z, the intro, a million andone questions slash rhyme no
more versus royalty off momentof truth Taking royalty.
Speaker 2 (02:25:00):
Actually one question slash rhyme no more versus
royalty off.
Moment of Truth.
Taking royalty, actually youtaking royalty, I am.
Speaker 3 (02:25:07):
I love a million and one.
And it's switched to rhyme, nomore.
Speaker 2 (02:25:12):
I love royalty, though, because royalty is one
of Premiere's best beats.
That doesn't sound like a primobeat, though.
Speaker 1 (02:25:18):
It doesn't, and that's why I have to go with Jay
.
Man, I have to go with Jay onthis.
I got to go with Rhyme, no More.
Speaker 3 (02:25:26):
We'll have to pause that and put that one in a poll
after this other one.
Speaker 1 (02:25:32):
Yeah, Rhyme no More and Royalty right.
Yeah, Kicking the door, 53% sofar.
Did we call it?
It's six now.
Speaker 2 (02:25:42):
No, no, no no, no, I want to wait.
Speaker 3 (02:25:45):
How many votes does it have, though?
Does it have more than 20?
Speaker 2 (02:25:48):
Kicking the door.
One it's 58 to 42.
Yeah, 58 to 42.
All right, we're looking betterthan a million and one.
I'm sorry guys, I know man thatmillion and one, y'all ain't
thinking about Jay.
Y'all ain't thinking about thebeat.
Speaker 1 (02:26:00):
I'm trying to compartmentalize it, man.
Speaker 3 (02:26:03):
It's the beat switch for me.
I'm a sucker for a beat switch.
Speaker 2 (02:26:07):
I'm a sucker for a beat switch too, but that beat
the royalty.
The beat the royalty is sosilky and so smooth.
It's like if you were to justdrop that record and be like DJ
Premier made that beat, he'd belike no, he didn't.
Speaker 3 (02:26:19):
It's a top five record for me on the album.
Speaker 1 (02:26:24):
Let's put it out there, let that marinate.
Speaker 3 (02:26:29):
Y'all ready to go to the next round?
Yep, let's get it.
Round number 16,.
We got Represent by Nas ofIllmatic versus the Militia,
featuring Freddie Fox on Momentof Truth.
Speaker 1 (02:26:43):
I got to take it.
You going Militia, I'll go.
Represent.
Speaker 3 (02:26:48):
We might be pulling all these last matchups.
Speaker 1 (02:26:54):
And Militia is tough, but I love Represent.
Represent one of my favoritesongs of all time.
Yep, I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 2 (02:26:59):
I don't love Represent the way everybody else
does.
Speaker 3 (02:27:03):
Represent is the most energy on Illmatic.
Speaker 2 (02:27:07):
But it's the third best beat that Primo gave him on
Illmatic I have it above MemoryLane.
Speaker 3 (02:27:14):
I do too.
Oh, I don't.
It's Nas' rapping performanceon Memory Lane that puts it up
over top of it.
Militia is special man, butRepresent I don't.
I don't.
It's Nas' rapping performanceon Memory Lane that puts it over
top of it.
Speaker 1 (02:27:21):
Militia is special man, but represent.
Speaker 2 (02:27:25):
Okay, royalties up 60-40 with 15 votes in what the
hell.
Speaker 3 (02:27:34):
I love Sean rooting for Jay-Z.
I'm not rooting for Jay, I'mrooting for Cream.
Speaker 1 (02:27:42):
So we're going to do so.
We call him.
Speaker 3 (02:27:45):
Royalty.
We call him Royalty on this one.
Speaker 2 (02:27:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:27:48):
Royalty Represent versus Militia Yep.
Speaker 3 (02:27:57):
Alright, oh, for everybody in the chat, I, you
know, saying, got these jointsin a playlist, this versus
matchup and playlist for Spotifyand Apple music.
So tonight I'll be puttingthose on socials so y'all can
listen to them joints foryourself no ready for the next
(02:28:19):
one all right round.
Number 17 unbelievable by bigoff of ready to die versus work
off of moment of truth goingunbelievable.
Speaker 2 (02:28:33):
I love that beat.
Speaker 1 (02:28:33):
That's one of my favorites work is good, though,
man, work is crazy.
Work is crazy.
Man, I got to go.
Unbelievable is special.
Work is good.
Speaker 2 (02:28:52):
Okay, people forget so Unbelievable is one of those
beats that, stylistically, whenit came out, we'd never heard.
Came out, we'd never heardanything like that.
Never heard it.
We'd never heard those types ofsounds being used that he used
on Unbelievable no you didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:29:08):
You hadn't heard those sounds before you got a
glimpse of it.
You got a glimpse of it with JRool, with some of the
production he did with J Rool,but not in full throttle like
Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (02:29:18):
Right, he was on some other shit that day when he
made Unbelievable Last recordthat got made for the album.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:29:26):
Rightfully so.
Yep, crunch time Alright.
So we, you both wentUnbelievable on that.
So moving on Round number 18.
This is my personal favoriteround the Evils by Jay-Z on
Reasonable Doubt versus JFK toLAX A moment of truth.
Speaker 2 (02:29:48):
I'm going to go to Evils.
Man, when I picked Jay for JFKto LAX, the Evils was the record
that I was thinking.
Speaker 3 (02:29:55):
That's why I was smiling the whole time you was
talking Coop because I was likeyo.
This is lining up with what Iheard in my matchups.
Speaker 2 (02:30:02):
Does the sample count as part of the beat?
Absolutely, then I would givethe Evils the edge, because that
Snoop, the Prodigy spice isjust flawless execution.
But I tell you, the beats are atie, but the mix and the
scratches on the Snoop andProdigy sample is the tiebreaker
for me.
So I tell you the evils.
Speaker 1 (02:30:24):
The evils is another high level.
It's hard.
It's hard to beat that.
Speaker 3 (02:30:28):
So you're going to evils too, sean, absolutely.
So yeah, when you said thatCoop, you put Jay as your number
one, that made me smile becauseI was like, okay, my ear was
telling me right Because Inumber one.
That made me smile because Iwas like, okay, my ear was
telling me right, because I waslike these two the vibe is in
the same vein.
It's very Jay-Z-esque.
Same vibe?
Yep, sure is.
Sure is so it's funny how thatlined up unintentionally Round
(02:30:50):
number 19, nas, the original NewYork State of Mind off Illmatic
, versus my personal favorite,primo beat Above the Clouds off
Moment of Truth.
Speaker 1 (02:31:02):
What's your finales?
Again, I'm sorry, new YorkState of Mind.
Speaker 3 (02:31:07):
Oh, New York State of Mind.
Speaker 1 (02:31:09):
You said that kind of quick Because, honestly, I was
never a huge, huge fan of Abovethe Clouds.
Speaker 2 (02:31:17):
I'm going to say Above the Clouds, we're going to
have to poll that.
Hold on.
First of all, represent.
Beat the militia by 71 to 20guys.
Take that down.
Take that down Above the clouds.
New York state of mind.
Let's throw it up for debate.
Speaker 1 (02:31:37):
You know I can't go against New York state of mind.
Y'all have to understand thatright.
But we just talking about thebeat, though I know Exactly yeah
.
Speaker 3 (02:31:47):
Wow, I got a butt of clouds, but I don't have a vote.
Speaker 1 (02:31:52):
I just think that New York State Amar, it just
represents New York.
So much man it smells like NewYork.
Speaker 3 (02:32:00):
So much man.
It smells like it.
New York has to hit different.
Speaker 1 (02:32:03):
When you hear it, it smells like it Right.
Speaker 2 (02:32:05):
I was about to say, it probably feels different for
you as a native New Yorker, thanit does for us still to hear it
with hip-hop fans right, yeah.
See, we're attached to theartistic merit and execution of
him bringing us into that NewYork state of mind.
You are a New Yorker and sothat New York state of mind is
different For us.
It's being invited into a world.
(02:32:27):
You have already been a part ofthe world so it probably hits
different.
Speaker 1 (02:32:31):
You can smell that shit right now.
That beat.
It smells like trash out here,that's fair.
Speaker 2 (02:32:40):
When he said or either on Betting Grants, with
the C-Lo champs laughing at baseheads trying to sell some
broken amps Like oh no, no, no,no, you can smell the piss from
the staircase, you can smell thepiss from the staircase.
It's like, oh no, no, it'sreally pissy around here okay.
Speaker 1 (02:32:54):
You see this redhead running across the street like
yo.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, redheadrunning across the street like
yo.
Speaker 2 (02:32:58):
Yeah, yeah, chuck a dick for VCR and all that.
Speaker 1 (02:33:03):
Yeah, I don't see that.
But yeah, I get it Sorry.
Speaker 2 (02:33:06):
Sorry, that was that's the west side of
Charlotte.
That's west side of Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (02:33:10):
That's west side of Charlotte, but we still have to
compartmentalize the song Nasfrom the actual beat itself, so
I do get that part Okay we Nasfrom the actual beat itself.
Speaker 2 (02:33:22):
So I do get that part of it.
Okay, we're 16 votes in.
We're 50-50.
Speaker 3 (02:33:24):
So let's go to the last one.
All right, the last round,Round number 20.
Nas is like off of I Am one ofmy personal favorites versus the
title track Moment of Truth.
Speaker 2 (02:33:38):
Okay, so I'm going to start out with okay, so, okay,
so anytime start out with okayso.
So I was never a big okay, soI'm not the fan of the Nas' like
beat that everybody else is andI'm just gonna leave it right
there, you just said that, causeSeagull said that on Hot 97.
Speaker 3 (02:33:54):
It was too happy.
Speaker 2 (02:33:55):
That's the only reason why you said it changed
everything.
Too happy, too happy.
But that's the only reason whyyou said it Changed everything.
Too happy, too happy.
But I will tell you that it'sstill better than the Moment of
Truth beat, in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (02:34:07):
Moment of Truth is arguably the best record on the
album.
Speaker 2 (02:34:11):
It is Nas' Like is pretty special.
Speaker 3 (02:34:14):
I still got Nas' Like , but Moment of Truth is heavy.
I think Nas' Like is betterlike.
Speaker 1 (02:34:18):
But moment of truth is heavy, I think not.
Not like it's better and it'ssad because not like was to your
point, ag, when, all when beansmade that comment.
That's when we start hearingthe narrative about not speak
bad beats.
Shortly after that, thatcomment on nas is like was a
catalyst to not speak bad beatsbecause of nostradamus and
because everything I thought itwas around before that, but it
(02:34:39):
surely didn't help.
Speaker 3 (02:34:41):
Definitely didn't help.
Speaker 1 (02:34:43):
No, definitely not, they clowned it.
They clowned that joint.
Speaker 3 (02:34:47):
That's one of the greatest records.
Speaker 2 (02:34:49):
Somebody break this tie between New York State of
Mind and Above the Clouds please.
It's 50-50.
Speaker 1 (02:34:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:34:56):
There's 76 of you in here, just hit the button.
Somebody hit the button HitAbove.
Yeah, the worst.
There's 76 of you in here, justhit the button.
Somebody hit the button Hitabove the clouds.
Speaking of hitting buttons,hit like and subscribe if you
haven't done that already, andthen some asshole hit New York
State of Mind when I just saidsomething.
Speaker 3 (02:35:13):
So New York State of Mind won.
Speaker 2 (02:35:15):
Okay, I want to let you know what a real special
asshole did.
Somebody hit New York State ofMind and then the other person
hit above the clouds to make iteven again, and then the person
that hit above the clouds tooktheir boat away.
Speaker 1 (02:35:27):
So if you're going on in the chat, that's why nobody
liked it, new York State of Mind, and this stand is still at 53.
Speaker 2 (02:35:39):
That's a conspiracy.
We got to give these guys theRico for this or something.
Speaker 3 (02:35:47):
So the Biggie Jay-Z and Nas collaboration songs got
14 out of 20 rounds and theMoment of Truth album got six
rounds.
But I'll almost be inclined togive one round to y'all, because
y'all took it to the chat eventhough y'all both voted
otherwise.
Speaker 2 (02:36:06):
So well, also, too, a lot of these records got made,
I believe pre preem, like makingthis moment of truth stuff.
It's like, well, the stuffthat's on ready to die, illmatic
and reasonable doubt.
You know what I stuff.
It's like, well, the stuffthat's on ready to die, ilmatic
and reasonable doubt.
You know what I'm saying.
It's like the stuff that's on Iam is is more comparable time
(02:36:28):
wise.
The stuff that's on volume oneis more comparable time wise.
The stuff that's on life afterdeath, the stuff that's on the
18th letter, that would be thestuff like so for me, I wouldn't
necessarily pull the stuff fromillmatic.
That is like it's crazy that itseems like, well, it was four
years apart but it's a wholenother world yeah, the
(02:36:49):
conversation is if moment oftruth is his zenith as a
producer.
Speaker 3 (02:36:53):
You know, if we put that album through the gauntlet
of some of his other bestproduced tracks for more notable
mcs, what does that look like?
And I didn't expect moment oftruth to win, but I was more
interested in seeing how closeit was well, here's the thing
about it.
Speaker 2 (02:37:08):
Is that, well, the stuff that's in those artists
catalog, that's their best stuff, and so that actually lets you
know how strong moment of truthis the fact that it's competing
with jay and Nas' best stuff?
Speaker 3 (02:37:19):
Yeah, it was majorly instrumental no pun intended,
instrumental in their earlycareers.
Big time, all three of them.
It's like Primo was a rite ofpassage, like you know, on their
debuts and that Big Jay and Nasall had to go through pre to
create their classics.
Speaker 1 (02:37:36):
He helped orchestrate the sound of the golden era of
New York hip-hop.
He was from Texas.
He's a pillar to that.
Honestly, he's one of thepillars to that and it's not
many producers you can say thatare a pillar to that.
He's one of them.
Him RZA, who else?
(02:37:57):
Lars Pro?
Yeah, these guys are pillars.
I mean Pete Rock, Pete Rock.
Speaker 2 (02:38:05):
Those would be the five guys.
When people talk about EastCoast hip-hop to me from the era
that I grew up in, I knowMarley Hall proceeds, but for me
I was taught Lars ProfessorQ-Tip Havoc.
Primo RZA Havoc.
Speaker 3 (02:38:21):
Those are the guys and that's what makes Illmatic
special Cause he had 75% ofthose people curate that one out
.
Speaker 2 (02:38:28):
Yeah, and this is what I keep telling people about
.
It was written.
No, he's not wrong.
He subbed out Q-tip for Havoc.
Subbed out Q-tip for Havoc.
Primo's still on there, I haveit.
Speaker 3 (02:38:38):
Cream is still on there, you know what I'm saying.
No, lars Pro, lars Pro gotsubbed out for Trackmasters.
Speaker 2 (02:38:43):
We can talk about that.
Talk about that behind thescenes.
We'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (02:38:47):
What do you get?
What do you get?
96 RZA on.
It Was Written.
Speaker 2 (02:38:52):
Oh my God, not fair.
It's Chico shit.
Speaker 3 (02:38:55):
Chico Can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (02:38:57):
Chico.
Speaker 1 (02:38:58):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:39:01):
All right, fellas Anything before we get out of
here.
Speaker 3 (02:39:03):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (02:39:05):
All right.
Speaker 3 (02:39:05):
Great show fellas.
Speaker 1 (02:39:07):
Like, share, subscribe.
If you rock with this dopecontent, this original content,
spread the word.
Spread the word.
We're going to post it on allthe socials.
Ag, if you can, let's post thismatchup on the socials so the
people on socials can actuallyengage as well.
Tell a friend to tell a friend.
Hit us up, let's get it, peace.
Speaker 2 (02:39:32):
Great week guys.
Long live hip hop Salute.
Speaker 1 (02:39:36):
Salute, queens, get the money.
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