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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hopefully we got one, we got one tonight Look at God.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
If you didn't have it , I had it, coop.
You know what I'm saying?
I got one tonight.
Look at God, hey, if you didn'thave it, I had it, coop.
You know what I'm saying?
I got the back.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
No, you know, normally I actually get prepared
for the show today because Ilike preparing, like some people
like to prepare days prior.
I am a game time person, so Ido like like prepare for the
show in real time, and soyesterday I actually prepared
for the show outside oflistening to the music.
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It's the first time I had doneit and it did just throw me off
because I am used to havingeverything out in front of me
already, because peopleunderstand, when I'm off on
Thursday it's like, oh no, Icome down here and I'm down here
all day.
So it's like my stuff iseverywhere.
So I just got to like put itback together like Voltron.
So you know I'm saying it'slike oh no, no, my notebook's
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over here, the iPad's over there, my cigars are right here, my,
my beanie if you get cold, yeah,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
He's back Cadillacs, the robe just out of frame.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
The robe's actually over there on the couch.
The robe's actually on thecouch.
That's daytime mirror musicflow.
It's the beanie and the Nikehoodie for the hip hop talks.
You gotta coordinate, you gottacoordinate.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Don't let the robe hear that man the robe gonna
pull up on you for the hip-hoptalks.
You got to coordinate.
Don't let the rope.
Hear that man, the rope goingto pull up on you and throw his
axe.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Look here, I done had some of these ropes on, they
got legs.
They probably walking around.
It's like yo where my slap timeat Coop?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Dr Strange Cloak of Levitation.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Hey, I did want to clear up one thing, Sean, before
you jump into some of thethings that you wanted to share.
We had some commentary about,you know, LeBron James and once
again people made it all aboutBronny and what we said about
Bronny and just totally skippedover the whole LeBron part.
We know Bronny is doing well inthe G League guys, we follow
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the tea leaves and the numbers,just like you.
We were saying he's not NBAready and if you want to know
how we know he's not NBA ready,he's not playing in the NBA
right now, he's playing in the GLeague.
Stop talking crazy to us aboutcrazy stuff.
If he was NBA ready, he wouldbe in the NBA.
Hello.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Hello, people, don't listen man.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Hello.
You understand the words thatare coming out of the moderator
who can't find his damn notes.
Man, Are you listening to thewords coming out?
Yeah, Okay.
Sean go ahead.
Your turn, bro, that is crazy.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Anything.
Hg on your side.
Do you want to rebuttal,because I think someone came to
your head as well about the GLeague comment.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
No, I mean, we said what we said.
It's just like we said hebelongs in the G League.
We know he's putting up statsin the G League.
We're aware of that.
He's just not aware.
I mean, he's just not ready forthe NBA.
And that's what Stephen A wassaying for LeBron Stop putting
him in those positions that he'snot ready for right now.
I mean OK, here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Him averaging 21 points in the G League.
It's like OK, so you're tellingme that you would be at USC
right now averaging that, whichwould make you a potential
lottery pick yes, an NBA player.
And what we were saying was isthat it might be best for you to
go back to school for anotheryear to actually be a
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professional basketball player.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And let's keep it above him.
Putting up those numbers in theG league gets more coverage
than anybody else that put upnumbers like that in the G
league.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Oh yeah, cause?
Cause the players that put upnumbers like that the G League?
Oh yeah, because the playersthat put up numbers like that,
that make it up here, usuallyonly come in here and average
five or six or seven pointsanyway, but whatever.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Go ahead, Sean.
All right, Yo fellas, we got acouple of super chats real quick
.
Let's get them out the waybefore we get into the show.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
OK, it's Mad Max.
That's not a real super chat tostart the show, but we're going
to deal with that.
Mad Max, $10.
Holla, coop buddy, we need totalk, we need to link.
No, we don't.
Paul, absolutely, absolutely.
It's been kumbaya.
That's great.
I ain't even going to front onyou, mad Max.
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Kumbaya is brilliant.
To the shadow realm for good,or the phantom zone Tired of his
laced ish.
That's the first thing first.
Okay, mad Max coming in.
Mad.
Max again.
Mad Max got got a dub on itearly, okay, mad Max.
Second, if you hear anotherperson say the pepper butterfly
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over Illmatic, I'm gonna slapthem to the stone age so they
can learn some history.
Make sure Fontano got thatmessage, okay.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
All right, mad Max, please.
Shout out to Mad.
Max.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I never thought I would say this, but thoughts
expressed by Mad Max are notreflective of hip-hop talks.
You just have to say they'reabout.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Coop.
He's shooting a shot at Coop inthe chat.
He's shooting at me in the chat.
I just read your super chats.
What are you doing?
We need a link.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Don't tell a man, you need a link.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
You don't say it like that Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Saying we need a link is nasty work.
Literally.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Like no, oh crazy Shout out to that.
Max.
Shout out to I Am God in thechat.
Shout out to Rufus Sims in thechat as well.
Ill City in the chat.
Chicago, chicago, chi-townstand up.
We're definitely going to getto you guys tonight as well.
Before we get into it, fellas, Ihave a question for both of you
, but I want to kind of set thestage for my question.
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So we see the Kanye rant allover Twitter.
Everything that he's sayingcrazy shit he's talking about on
Twitter.
We see the UMG stuff with Drake.
All of this mess that Drake isdoing Suing for a diss record,
suing for defamation ofcharacter, all of these
different things.
Fellas, fellas.
(07:03):
It's getting nasty out here.
We got so many times.
We see our artists.
You know one thing about Kanyehe was one of our favorite
artists, right?
He gave us some great music inthe very beginning, first phase
of Kanye's career one of thebest phases of hip hop, would
you all agree.
He gave us a prime J blueprint.
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He gave us a lot of memorablemoments.
But now he's starting toseparate himself from those
memorable moments by doing thisfoolery that we're seeing on
Twitter.
It's not about the musicanymore, it's about the antics.
The antics are now starting toleapfrog all the music, even for
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Drake.
Someone else who was verypolarizing as an artist coming
out the gate gave us some reallygood music, and now both of
these guys are becomingcharacters to themselves, going
to Twitter posting differentthings and memes and all of this
other trash and I was gettingaway from the music.
How do y'all feel about that?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
AG.
You want to go how you feel, ag.
Oh no.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
That's spot on, man, go ahead.
I'm always somebody that triesto compartmentalize the artist.
You know what I mean from theperson.
You know, because we makemistakes a lot of times of
putting people on pedestals and,to your point, sean, they end
up just letting us down.
But, um, you know, like he's,he's making it very difficult
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for somebody to compartmentalizehim and still rock with him on
any type of level musically.
Um, you know, me and my girl, wehad this conversation this week
.
She was just talking about,like, if a old song that she
used to love it has justrandomly come across her
playlist, she just hit skip andlike, don't even want to listen
to it anymore because it's hardto, like you know, listen to
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with the antics and the thingsthat he's putting out there.
You know what I'm saying.
So, um, like sean's saying,it's really getting to that
point where it's hard to even,you know I'm saying, tap back
into the old version of him.
You know I was talking to myson when Bully dropped the other
day online.
I was like you know, I textedhim.
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I was like yo, it dropped butI'm not listening to it, I'm not
supporting it, or whatever, andhe was like, nah, me neither.
You know what I mean and youknow some months ago he was
wanting to check it out, butit's getting hard to like.
He's really dug himself in ahole that I don't think he'll be
able to come up out of.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Okay, so check it out .
So we haven't Having a littleChi-Town episode.
It seems like we're going to bereviewing Rufus' project in a
minute.
Shout out to I Am God, ill CityRufus.
What a dope project we're aboutto talk about in a minute.
Hopefully get you on here nextweek too.
Plug Is this really a differentversion of Kanye, though, guys?
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I think this is just Kanyebeing Kanye, really, at the end
of the day, guys.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I said the same thing , Coop, to my girl.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
It's wrapped up, though I'm being very, very
serious when I'm saying thisCocaine is a hell of a drug,
though.
Guys, have you ever donecocaine?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
no, okay let me say that again for the people in the
back.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Motherfucker, I have that.
Shit is fun, okay, so will hebe wild?
So would he be wilding?
And would he be?
wilding and tripping out yeah,who contracts?
I heard that so would he bedoing the shit that he be doing?
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I'd be like, oh no, fam, justdusted.
But I've been dusted before, sothat's just kind of how I look
at it.
That's why I prefaced it bysaying I'm not joking.
If somebody that's abused thedrug before, it's like, oh no,
motherfucker, I don't know whatthe fuck that shit is.
That's what happens.
No, for real, that's whathappens when you do that real
shit.
You know what I'm saying?
Not that step-thorn, he's got alot of money, he's taking
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expensive drugs.
It makes me think of the DaveChappelle, rick James, skit.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Cocaine is a hell of a drug he's on drugs guys, but
it's at a point now where youcan't make excuses for him.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I've been saying this shit for a long time.
He's on drugs.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Hard drugs.
Even that's no excuse for himat this point, man.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
These are hard drugs.
These are hard drugs andunchecked traumas.
He's dealing with a lot ofissues, and this is why people
still do relate to him.
He's dealing with a lot ofissues that a lot of other black
males are still dealing withUnchecked trauma and hardcore
drugs.
He is still not dealtappropriately with his mother's
death either, guys and I justwant to be very careful about
saying that, but he just hasn'tdealt with it yet, guys.
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He hasn't, and it's tearing himapart because he feels
responsible, and the worst partabout it is that he might
actually bear some burden.
If you've heard some of thestories about how things went as
opposed to how they should havegone, and so because of that,
you have some unchecked trauma.
You have somebody with accessto money and resources and fame
and power, but this isn't toomuch different than him saying
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George Bush doesn't care aboutblack people.
No, that's the same nigga.
Now, what the problem is isthat the music sucks.
The problem is the music sucks.
The problem is not thecommentary, the incendiary
commentary.
No, it's a lot of problems withthe commentary.
It's a lot of problems with thecommentary.
Coop.
No, what I'm saying is that theincendiary commentary has
always been there getting thehall pass when he was making
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classic shit Period, point blank.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
He been saying watch.
I don't think it was asinflammatory though.
It wasn't as inflammatory ohhe's done, he's done.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
You know, he his inflammatory?
Oh, he's done, he doesn't youknow you know.
No, this motherfucker beenthrowing up some gang signs on
some certain communities.
Those are gang signs.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
By the way, when you say those are gang signs, but,
he's playing a dangerous gameright now, you know and I'll
leave it at that because I don'twant to say too much or put
stuff out in the universe, buthe's, he's playing a very
dangerous game right now andit's a scary thought.
So yeah I mean he just this is.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
he did this a few years ago during like the whole
wyoming thing.
It's just it wasn't the exactsame commentary, guys, but this
is just kind of what he does andI do think that it.
You know, you, when you dealwith some drugs, like you will
literally go on like binges andyou'll go 17, 18, 19 hours
straight and your thoughtsbecome you know what I mean it's
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like oh no, mental health isreal and so it's like drug abuse
and like all that, and he needssome help and you know, quite
frankly, to make some bettermusic.
But music, but you know, Idon't really have anything else
new to add about it.
I've been saying this shit foryears and I've been like well,
the music's not good and he'slike really fucking up and yeah,
but let's not give him the drug.
Let's not give him the drug out,though, you know, I mean
because that's an easy plea tocop you know I'm only saying
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drugs this time is because, likeI, from somebody who's abused
drugs before, it's like I don'tknow it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I felt like drugs.
I felt like drugs.
I'm not laughing at you.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
It feels like drugs.
It feels like drugs.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
It's a combination of everything y'all said.
I really do think he's stillgrieving.
I really do.
I'm not trying to cop a pleafor him.
I do think that he's grievingvery, very heavy, and this is
how he's dealing with it,because I also feel that he felt
like he's being betrayed by somany people that he poured a lot
into, because he's naming thesepeople by my names on a list,
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and these are folks that heprobably felt like yo, I gave
them ideas, everything, all ofthese things, and when I needed
them they weren't there for me,and I think that's why he's
lashing out the way he's lashingout.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
All right, I'm sorry to interrupt.
I'm going to stop right there.
He makes it hard for people tostand beside him Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I think that might be the most poignant point is that
I don't think that's what I'msaying.
I don't think that might be themost poignant point is that I
don't think that's what I'msaying.
I don't think that thecommentary is the problem.
I don't even think you know thedrug addiction and the mental
health issues, like, like all ofthat's not a problem.
The problem is is because ofhis track record in history,
there's nobody to really getbehind him.
(15:22):
Right, right, that would be theproblematic part about it,
especially from his side, right?
Speaker 4 (15:29):
You've got to love him from a distance and it's
tough.
You've probably got people inyour life that you've had to
leave behind or love them from adistance.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Look here, my father just passed away and I cut
people off like relatives.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's tough.
My father just passed away andI cut people off like relatives,
yeah it's tough.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
You probably felt healthy after that, for whatever
reason.
You probably felt healthy afterthat.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I feel great, and I don't apologize for feeling
great, feeling better.
No, I refuse to feel bad.
I'm too old for that shit.
Yeah, I don't feel bad, I don't.
You're not going to weigh medown no, but again.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Let's get back to the music.
Stop the antics.
Yeah, I don't feel bad, I don't.
You're not going to weigh medown.
No, but again.
Let's get back to the music.
Stop the antics, all this otherstuff, Talk behind the scenes
or whoever.
Let's get back to the music.
That's for everybody, that'sfor Dre, that's for Ye, that's
for content creators.
Let's get back to hip hop.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Let's not do the clickbait stuff.
Let's not follow the algorithm,become the algorithm.
You know, it's usually what youknow for what kanye is going
through.
There's usually somebody thathas come before you that usually
is like a relatable figure orsomebody you can point to and be
like well, the cause of itreally comes from here, but it's
like no, he's actually thecause, even the tone that we are
taking towards him.
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He created this tone.
You know what I mean Aboutreally speaking the truth and
saying what you feel.
Very much like the gentlemanwho you have on your hoodie, ag.
You know what I mean.
He made this shit cool and nowit's kind of like the shoe is on
the other foot and everybody'sopen season on you now, the way
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you've been open season oneverybody from day one, you know
, because there is nobody thathe is Not aired out, guys,
there's nobody, nobody.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Which is crazy, which is crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So, fellas, let's get to new music new music Freddie
Gibbs Nobody another Lucy fromFreddie guys.
We got an album coming.
Shout out to Andrew, who did areaction to Nobody.
You can catch that up on ourMirror Music page.
Shout out to Andrew, our behindthe scenes guru and my co-host
of Mirror Music.
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Check out Andrew's response andreaction to Freddie Gibbs'
Nobody but AG.
What did you think of?
Nobody.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Well, first of all, you know it was.
It was crazy because the songdropped that same night of the
pod that we was waxing poeticabout him over.
You know the slow R&B loops.
You know what I'm saying abouthim over.
You know the slow R&B loops.
You know what I'm saying.
So when I heard the sample onthe song what I thought to be a
sample I was like yo, I've heardthis before and it was driving
me crazy where it came from andI was like yo, this is crazy.
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But turns out it's not a sampleat all.
It's from his original track.
If you go back to his previousproject, he Only Died Once track
.
If you go back to his previousproject, he only died once.
It's on the interlude with allthe voicemails where you know
the devil is trying to, you knowcall him and then the girls and
stuff leaving voicemails andthat was the beat in the
backdrop, yeah, and then heturned that into a track.
(18:36):
You know, I think it's calleduh, nobody's, uh, nobody's home
interlude or something like that.
But um, he reused it,repurposed it and ended up
spitting over it and made a dopesong out of it.
But yeah, I mean smooth track.
Freddie got the hot hand rightnow.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Sean what you think.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Similar thoughts, I agree.
I agree.
I told you you guys sold me onFreddie and this is another
joint that was dope.
I'm hoping the album come realsoon.
I hope that is something thatwe can bop to.
Let's get back to the music.
I agree with everything Angiesaid.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
When I heard this record, I was thinking so, is
the next album called SoulSamples sold separately?
That's what I thought.
Soul Samples sold separately,that's what I thought.
Quadruple S Soul Samples soldseparately.
Part Two is also what I thoughtabout, because it does.
It does appear that he's chosento get in a kind of soulful bag.
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I mean, I mean, I think this isan intentional movement to make
music like.
This is what I'm saying, and soI am fascinated about him maybe
potentially revving back up,because actually, if, um,
freddie's catalog and hisprogress Freddie actually just
really took a year off for thefirst time in about eight or
nine years, really, you know,and so maybe this is like the
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ramp back up you know what I'msaying With you only die once
and, um, maybe something comingthis year.
So those were my thoughts, butit was a dope record.
I don't think it was anythingspecial, but I do think, like
you said, sean, I think he has ahot hand right now, though, and
usually when you have a hothand, that's a good time to like
make an album, and spring andsummer is on the horizon, and it
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does appear that he is also oneof those rappers that it seems
crazy for his acquainted.
We are with him.
It seems like he's on the vergestill and he's been on the
verge for a minute and I feellike he might just have he's one
record away.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
He is one record away in my opinion, from from being
like a household name becausehe's got everything right.
I'm not breaking away his wholecareer okay, I don't know about
that.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
So we're just gonna slide ill magic with the 999
super check, if you guys want toinclude late release albums
from last year, starting withNovember 2024, on your list for
this year.
Would you rank Sky Zoo's albumthis year?
Where would you rank Sky Zoo'salbum this year?
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Excuse me, I don't know, I don't know, I probably
got it close to the middle,maybe to the back half, maybe
the back half it was justoutside of my top 10.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I think I had it at like 13 for last year, so if you
put that into this year itmight crack the top 10 so far
yeah I doubt it.
I mean, I'm just gonna behonest with you it didn't have a
lot of staying power with me,although I really liked the
album.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I liked the album too , but no, it's not going to.
I mean, we're about to talkabout one of the projects that
I've actually enjoyed most thisyear.
It's like no Shaitan's on fire.
It's like I like the I Am Godproject better.
I like Mike Rufus' projectbetter.
Absolutely it's moreentertaining, and we're going to
talk about this in a minutebecause I feel like we need to
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start talking about it, becausewe are going to talk about Rufus
and Ill City's production joband I am God and just the
Chicago culture of emceeingright now.
This is what I'm about to say.
It's not just that the guys canrap, it's that they're
entertaining while they rap.
I found myself entertained bythis Rufus Sims album.
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Highly Like I hear the bars,but I found myself entertained.
I catch the bars quick.
You know what I'm saying.
Like I know he can rap, youknow what I'm saying.
I love the theme of this albumand how they literally
interpreted and took pieces ofold, dirty bastard interviews
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and interluded them throughout.
Yes, yeah, footage that a lotof people maybe haven't heard.
I like the project was verywell put together.
This is the type of projectwhen I listened to it I thought
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to myself no, I sound like amajor artist put it together,
sound like a major producer putit together.
If Death Jam were to wrap thisproduct up, you wouldn't say
anything about it.
You'd be like man, these skitsand these interludes are really
thoughtful and really reallywoven together between some
really great music and somereally dope cypher type of beats
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for really great MCs to rhymeon.
He has a cadence and a style tome that actually, even though
he's from Chicago, it kind ofcomes off to me like a schoolboy
cue and an MC hustle, and Imean that in a complimentary way
.
I started hearing someschoolboy Q type of cadence Like
sometimes like Q's early shit,q would be off kilter but on
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beat.
You know what?
I'm saying I hear that when Ihear Rufus.
But I mean that it's likethat's one of those hard tricks
to pull off in rap.
And I can see why the old DirtyBastard theme comes into play,
because old Dirty Bastard islike the king of the off-kilter
style, and so I can even seestylistically where he's coming
from, because when I listen tohis flow and his delivery, his
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approach, he's one of those guys, like some guys can rhyme to
the hi-hat because their flow isoff-kilter anyway.
So they don't got to rap to theboom, boom, boom.
They can rap to the shh.
He can rap to that because hehas an off-kilter style.
And so I loved what he did,flow and delivery-wise, while
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maintaining a high level oflyricism.
It is one of my favoriteprojects this year.
I was super impressed by thebeats from Ill City on this
project.
I thought the production onhere was stellar.
Shout out to Ill City foranother dope production job.
Shy's on fire right now, guys,and it's just, you know, it's
time for us to fucking pull up.
So those are my thoughts.
We can give it an officialnumber after y'all, talk, y'all
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shit.
But those are just my earlythoughts about listening to the
project today and talk y'allshit.
But those are just my earlythoughts about listening to the
project today.
Here's my last thought.
The project was long.
It's hard to get for me tolisten to a project that long
and be entertained.
That's what I mean.
It's like.
Oh no, these guys are pros nowat this point, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
When I saw this album cover, I'm sold already, right.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I'm sold.
It's a Wu-Tang.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Forever it's Wu-Tang forever, right, wu-tang, forever
.
You got my attention right likeCaptain Candy said, you got my
attention right so I'm bought in.
And then I started hearing,like you said, the themes from
Dirty and I started hearing justthe entertainment part of it.
This album has a lot ofcharacter to it.
It does when you think aboutalbums and you think about, just
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you know, some album rappity,rap, flow, flow, all of this and
that which is great, beats andeverything which is great, but
where's the character?
And this album has greatcharacter, well, that's here.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Well, that's where he reminded me of q a lot, because
I'm like, oh no, he can rap,rap, like he's a rapper's type
of rapper, but he's got a styleand a content base where it's
like oh no, there's more to itthan just the entertaining part
of his style.
Facts.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Facts, even when I hit a posse cut.
And again it's kind of go backto you, sarah, you're cool by
Chicago.
Chicago has something to sayagain and this is a different
type of Chicago bop.
This is not, you know, jay,this is not drill.
This is like taking you back tothe essence of Chicago hip hop.
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When you think about whenCommon started like really
landing those big punches, whenyou're talking about just the
dexterity of his rhymes, theseguys, yeah, these guys I Am God
Rufus, like the collective ofall these guys that we've been
hearing the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
They are more twister and common in do or die than
they are.
Kanye and Chief Keith yeah,absolutely.
And Dirk like, yeah, yeah, theydefinitely more of that Matter
of fact.
I Am God on his verse on hereliterally went from a common
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flow to a twister flow.
I think it was like eight barsin, I think it was either on his
sixth bar or on his eighth bar.
He literally sped up and rappedtwister style for about four
bars on this record.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I'm maintaining a high level of lyricism.
That's I.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Am showing off, that's I Am showing off.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
It was a show off.
It was a definite show off.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Relax, you get it you in the bag, you in the pocket
right now no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
When he did it, when he did it, that's how I felt too
I was like oh he's he like ohno, no, I hear to beat all types
of ways yeah, yeah, yeah, he'sshowing off right now.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
But for me, when you talk about, when you talk about
the album itself cool, I agreewith you.
I feel like this is one ofthose albums that the more you
listen to it, the more you'reentertained by it, because you
start.
I listened to it the first timeI said okay, I got it.
Second time I missed that.
Well, I missed that, and that'swhat I'm looking for in an
album.
I'm looking at things that Ican pick up along.
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On my second, on my third, goaround with the album and that's
what I found about I Am Godlast album.
You go back and listen.
I listened to that one, right,because I wanted to hear it next
to each other.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I wanted to hear it next to each other.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Yeah, and shout out to Ill City because the beat's
crazy again and it's like he'sin the back Now he's showing off
, now I am showing off.
You got Rufus giving you thecharacter.
He's giving you a lot of thepanache, if you will, in this
album and it feels great.
It feels great to hear an albumthat's so entertaining that
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you're not focused so much oneverything else around it but
you focus on the entertainmentpiece of it.
It goes back to Return of theThirties and Chambers.
It's one of the most.
It's one of those albums thatyou can just listen to and you
don't have to bust your brain tolisten to it, if that makes
sense.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
It's just entertaining.
It's fun to listen to it, ifthat makes sense.
It's just entertaining.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
It's fun to listen to .
Speaker 1 (28:46):
It's entertaining, even the crazy stuff that gets
crazy.
For you you're like man that'scrazy, but it's really fun.
It gets crazy yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
For sure shout out to those guys, man, what you got
to eat.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Dope reviews by the two of you.
Unfortunately for me I didn'tget a chance to listen to it.
I was gonna listen to it thismorning but I had some work
across my desk that wasunexpected so I had to tap into
that.
But from what I gather, fromwhat you all say like the
production is top notch from illcity you know what I mean
coming off the I am god project.
So I'm definitely lookingforward to that.
(29:23):
When I saw the album cover whenI was getting ready to download
it, like Sean, it got me rightout the gate Okay, oh, this
looks interesting.
You know he's taking theconcept from Old Dirty Bastards
Return to the 36 Chambers, sothat had me really intrigued.
So I like what you said, coop,because it looked like that the
album has a cohesive themethroughout.
(29:45):
You know what I mean, becausethat's one thing that's missing
from hip-hop nowadays iscohesive themes and people
really curating projects andputting them together, because
we're in a microwave streamingsociety and people don't put
that much care in albums anymore.
So I'm excited to hear thataspect of the album, to have a
concept leaning into the olddirty um bastard thing and then,
(30:05):
you know, really putting ittogether from a solid front to
back project.
So I'm really excited to tapinto that um this weekend and
for the hill city production.
You know I'm saying so.
Shout out to the camp, shoutout to I am god and shout out to
rufus sure so hill city on thisproject.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
To me, I think this is a better production job than
city of gods, that's saying alot that's saying a lot.
I'm not saying that the beatsare better, necessarily, and
this is why I'm saying it's abetter production job.
Oh, he had to experiment morebecause of who the artist is as
a producer, and so, from theperspective of if we're going to
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look at it on some Wu-Tang shit, it's like, well, I Am God
would be closer to a GZA or aRay.
They're easier to construct abeat for because of
fundamentally how they rhyme,how they.
Oh, it's harder to make a beatfor Old Dirty Bastard.
(31:05):
It's harder to make a beat forOld Dirty Bastard.
It's harder to make a beat forRufus.
You get what I'm saying.
It's more challenging.
Because they're unorthodox, it'sa more challenging come-off for
the producer, and so the factthat I think the production jobs
are comparable about,stylistically, what you have to
do to make the great thingsabout this artist shine as a
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producer oh well, he did thatexceptionally well on this
project in my opinion, andstylistically, because he is
more unorthodox than I am, god,I do think it makes it a better
production job just to that.
If we just going down to thenitty-gritty about like the
beats and stuff, it's like it'svery comparable, and so I'm
going to give the edge becauseof the unorthodox style with
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rufus rhymes with, which is whatstood out to me when I heard
him on I am god's project, youknow right I was like.
I was like oh no, his style isunorthodox.
But he's in pocket on the beatand he's still catching it.
You know there's that thatpeople have an unorthodox style
oftenly, are more musicallyinclined sometimes than even
that they realize, becausethey're actually catching the
musical timing of it and not thetraditional 16-bar format
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timing of it.
They're actually catching itlike a sheet of music, not like
a program machine.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, and to your point, they're more entertaining
too.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It's always more entertaining because you want to
figure out man how the fuck didhe put those words together and
then make it fit, and then makeit fall, well, it keeps you off
balance?
Yeah, there's definitely allthat.
So I mean, Sean, we can kind ofwait for AG to give it an
official ranking.
I am going to reach out toRufus when all this is done, and
maybe Ill City and I.
Man, we just need to haveeverybody on.
But yeah, I think we need tobring rufus on and give him some
(32:42):
shine for this project.
Um, I don't want to date it tooearly, but, sean, I was
thinking this is somewherebetween a four and a 4.25.
Honestly, I agree I agree.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yeah, I mean the production alone get you in the
door for right he'll see,they're crazy in the production
alone.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
He did beats on here.
Crazy they are, yeah so, yeah.
So I mean, ag, we'll kind ofwait until we give, like the
official, the official Hip HopTalks final review, and I want
to listen to it.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yeah, I'm tapping into that tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Well, I've listened to it two times.
I do like to give somethingthat third listen before I
finalize it, but I did thinkthat the project was good enough
that we needed to discuss ittoday and not let any more time
pass.
Check out Rufus Sims.
Ill Dirty Rufus tentativelysomewhere between the 4 or 4.25
for Hip Hop Talks.
We'll see what AG thinks.
I'll come back with a timerating as well.
No pressure, no pressure.
(33:32):
It's a definite 4,.
Ag, I think you're going to behard-pressed to hear this
project and say that it's not a4, though At least that's what
I'm saying Gathering, just fromwhat y'all are saying, I'm
expecting that for sure.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
When the album was ending, when I got that.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Listening to the second time I was like, oh no,
this is a 4.25.
It's pretty damn good.
Yeah, I was impressed.
We know that they'reindependent artists, but you
wouldn't know it anymore.
I don't even know it.
Like, how about this?
The music that the dudes in theshop is making right now?
It's like they may give me aquestion what an independent
artist is in these days andtimes, because they sound more
professional and polished thanmost of the guys that they
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actually are telling me are theprofessional and polished
artists.
They're professional andpolished artists that are
putting together projects likethis with these skits woven
together with features placed inthe right places for the right
people to rap over certain typeof beats.
It's not, you know what I'msaying.
So it's like who the pros andwho the indies really?
You know what I'm saying?
Who really outside?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Well, here's the thing it sounds like the
approach is the difference makerthat separates them from other
indie artists, the care and theapproach that they're putting
into all their projects.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
So yeah, I was say this, I and and we can kind of
leave it like here and slide,slide to somebody a little bit
more notarized maybe but Istarted feeling today when I
listened to this project.
That's how that griselda shitstarted, that's how this project
started to make me feel.
It's like, oh no, like you know, because here's the thing, like
(35:01):
, and you guys know this, oh no,west side had been putting it
down for a minute by himself, Ithink.
Conway stepped in and thenbenny stepped in, and when benny
stepped in is when it became athing.
And so when I heard this rufusproject, it's like, oh no, we've
been talking, I am god, shit.
And this rufus project isprobably the first project that
I've heard from other camps andI've heard some other stuff and
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it's been good, but this is thefirst one.
I was like, okay, I'm like ohshit, hold on that momentum, you
know what I'm saying.
When cats keep getting aroundeach other and it happened, and
it only take one dude like I amGod to really kind of like
ignite the flame and everybodyelse start believing, start
working a little harder, gettingmore beats, spend a little bit
more time together doing moreshows, more people in the city
start.
You know what I'm saying.
We start talking about it more.
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That's how shit really issupposed to groove.
You know what I'm saying?
And this album gave me thatfeel Dope.
All right On to Playboi Carti's.
I Am Music, you Are Not.
Next topic.
All right, glad we had this onHip.
Hop.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Talks no, no, no.
Did you listen to the?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
album.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah, can I Once?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Man first of all.
First of all, I want to say Igot I Am God in the chat, Don't
nobody care about.
No, I Am music.
Next.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
I got a quick funny story, since we talked about
Dirty.
I think I texted this to Sean.
So this Friday evening me andmy kids are riding around in the
whip and my son's like yo dadput that Playboy Cardi on and
I'm like man, I mean.
I listen to the.
I was like I heard the Kendricktrack or whatever he was like,
(36:35):
but put the whole album on.
I was like man, cardi'sunlistenable for me and I'm okay
with that.
I recognize that I'm old andCardi's for you, young kids, I'm
cool with that.
It's a generational gap, youknow.
He's unlistenable for me.
And my son was like, well, Ifeel you, but at least tap in
for the features.
He's like travis got a firefeature on there weekend, on
there, kendrick, he's like atleast tap in for the feature, so
(36:58):
you know.
So I was like all right.
So I put the, put the record onlisten and I was like man, I
can't do this.
So I was just like if I'm gonnalisten to something that's kind
of wild, unorthodox, outside ofthe box or whatever, I at least
wanted to sound dope, you knowwhat I mean.
I said I'll put on some old,dirty bastard and god love her.
(37:18):
My daughter in the back seat,13 years old, chimed in and said
yeah, put on Nutmeg byGhostface, I'm sold, god love it
.
You know what I'm saying.
So I was like that's my childfrom my own heart, right there.
You know what I'm saying.
If I would listen to her bounceout of the box on Unorthodox
(37:40):
talk about wild stuff.
She was like put on Nutmeg.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Cool, I'll say this and then we can move on.
I felt in the beginning I feltbad because I'm like man, I want
to be able to give a solidcritique, but I'm like, I want
to be authentic to myself.
I listened to the first threesongs and then I turned it off
and I listened to some JayHoliday and it had me thinking
that Jay Holiday, um, and it hadme, holiday was actually he had
(38:07):
he had a moment.
Then I played four or five, sixmore songs.
Then I went back and listenedto a little bit of Bobby
Valentino and I was like man,bobby Valentino had a moment as
well when he you know, he had tojump and nod, slow down, remix
and all of that.
And I listened to Cardi againand I just turned it off and I
couldn't do it no more Because Ifind myself going to other
(38:27):
random music.
Jay Holiday is random, bobbyValentino is random.
I started listening to justrandom shit, just to try to get
out of it.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Bobby Valentino actually lives on my side of
town.
I know his hangout spot.
We go to the same hangout spot.
Sometimes he's got cool spottygames like that.
He we go to the same hangoutspot, sometimes he's got cool
spotty games like that.
He be there all the time.
Tell him to give a shout.
I won't be doing that.
Bobby.
Don't be acting right towardsthe staff sometimes, but cool.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
I find myself going to listen to some random stuff.
I even listen to one of yourfavorite songs, Kiss Me Through
the Phone by Kiss Me.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Through the Phone.
First of all, it's not Kiss Methrough the wall First of all
it's not kiss me through thephone that I'm a fan of.
It's like you with Bow Wow andSierra that I'm a fan of.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
That's the one.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
It's the cotton candy ass rap songs that I like
together.
That's the cotton candy rapsong that I like, not the Soulja
Boy song, the Bow Wow song, theCC Right.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
I had to listen to some random stuff.
The more the story is.
I had to listen to some randomstuff just to get my mind off
the Playboy or Cardi Apple.
No disrespect intended, it'snot for me and I'm okay with
that.
I'm not going to cap, I'm notgoing to go here and pander to
it.
I'm okay with it not being forme.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
With that being said, can we move on?
No, Well, I actually didn'tgive my review.
Go ahead, AG.
No, go ahead Coop.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
We'll come back to the whole Kendrick of the whole
thing, because I had a questionfor you all, but go ahead, coop.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
First of all, a couple of things, a couple of
things that I care about.
Rufus said in the chat there'sabout six or seven of them.
It's very Wu-Tang-ish, that'sdope.
We need to be checking for that.
Second of all, the bar that Isee Bobby Valentino at is not a
gay bar, you assholes.
It's a whole restaurant.
(40:16):
No, me and Bobby V don't havematching robes.
No, I don't speak to Bobby Vwhen we're at the same bar when.
No, I don't speak the bodylanguage when we're at the same
bar, when I'm at this bar.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
I'm mutual.
This is wild, this is wild.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
This is why it's not safe to live in Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
It's not, it's really not Not safe out there Having
met rules and speaking ofAtlanta, Playboy Cardi is from
down here.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
What I will tell you is that what I really took away
from this album is that man,young Thug, is really a legend
because he has fathered a wholestyle down here that has enabled
people or you could say it'sfuture, if you want.
He comes off as more of a thugtype of protege, which is just
offshoot of future in me anyway.
But it's like no, they'veliterally created a whole genre
(41:02):
of music and really I thinkPlayboi Carti's problem is that,
well, he's not future, he's notthug.
So it's like it's not as good,because if you want to listen to
what he does, go listen to thefuture, go listen to thug.
And so I think for and listento what I'm about to say for
what box he actually fits in.
(41:23):
He has some of the sameproblems that, like a big crit
and a Wale have on a certainlevel, if that makes sense, like
where it's like, oh no, likeyou're dope at what you do, it's
just like you know the guysbefore you did it better, and so
it don't hit as hard as itshould.
But I didn't enjoy the album atall, if you really must know.
I didn't enjoy that, but Ididn't enjoy the album at all.
(41:43):
If you really must have Ididn't.
I didn't enjoy that and you cansay that I'm old and that I'm
out of touch and get off my lawn.
I'll tell you that Georgia is ashoe that will stay.
You should get off my lawnanyway.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
So you don't get shot , it's fine.
I got a couple quick thoughtsbefore we move on.
Number one I know Cardi was,you know, out of it.
I ain't going to say he was outof the game, but he did drop a
project for over five years.
But 30 tracks of Cardi is a lot.
This is what I mean.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
You know he has such a big following that he went on
tour last year.
He went on tour last year with7 Out Stadiums.
He sold out 7 out last year.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
That's the next one.
I was going to make the numbersfor this album.
Actually, the album did reallywell and I never thought I would
see this.
But Kendrick has now become thenew stimulus package for you
know what I'm saying featureartists.
He's on three tracks on here.
One is only worth talking aboutthe good credit joint.
But you know, drake was thestimulus package for artists
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before, but now it's kind offunny seeing Kendrick in that
position.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
No, no, AG, we're not giving him that much credit.
He'd been hearing me talkingshit about that guest appearance
catalog.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Well, yeah, he's more collaborative now.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Well, that light pack he called a guest catalog.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Well, that's what.
That's what I was alluding to,cause I had a conversation with
one of my homies and he was likeyou know what he was like, I
don't even rock with Kendrick,like that.
He said, but I would figurethese Playboy Cardi features are
beneath him, he's like to me,they like cheaping him.
And I was like what do you mean?
And he was like somebody of hisilk, somebody of like what he
represents, getting on a recordwith Cardi, kind of cheapens who
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he is.
And I didn't think he wouldmake that move and I said, well,
I disagree, because if you'regoing to be that guy to hold
down that number one position,you got to make yourself more
visible rounds correct you got,you got to make the features and
stuff like that.
Because listening to the goodcredit song, I know people are
over hyping it up, but he reallyphoned that record in y y'all.
(43:44):
Let's be for real, let's behonest.
And he did something familiarIf you listen to the flow and
the cadence on there.
He's in his euphoria bag but hereally phoned it in lyrically,
you know what I'm saying.
But he's in that euphoria bag.
So when you hear it you're likeokay, that's something familiar
.
So you kind of recycling andI'm not saying it's a bad thing,
(44:04):
because rappers do it all thetime like how you know, TV Off
and Squabble Up is, in a way,recycled, not like us.
You know what I mean and thisis a Right, same BPM.
Stuff like that.
Once you get something out ofthe park and it's a hit.
You know, you kind of stick tothat formula, but I think he did
that here.
But I didn't agree with myhomie with what he said because,
(44:26):
yeah, it may you know, quote,unquote, mr Morale and all that
stuff to get on a Cardi record.
But if you're that number oneguy you have to do that.
You have to be more visible.
You have to do these features.
That's going to touch adifferent audience because a lot
of people who are Playboy Cardifans are not generally Kendrick
fans.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
So he has to do those records.
Let me give you some pushback.
He don't have to do thoserecords.
See, he feels the pressure ofall the things that he hasn't
done that we've been talkingabout.
He does Because here's thereality of the matter.
Oh no, he's been big for a longtime and he was the man before
and still chose not to do this,like when he was at his actual
what I feel artistic, lyricaland creative peak nary.
(45:09):
A verse you could get out ofhim now.
So it does seem like somebody istrying to correct past wrongs,
but here's what it does andhere's where your friend might
be right about the cheapening.
It's like fam, unless you'vegiven us some album verse of the
year, type of contender versusthe way our all our other
legendary mcs have guestappearances like that.
Like, think about this some ofour favorite verses from some of
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our favorite mcs ain't even onthey damn albums.
Some of our favorite versesfrom some of our favorite guys
are not even on their album.
Like some of my favoritescarface stuff is the stuff he
did with Beans, mac and Brad.
I love Mac and Brad, that'ssome of my favorite face and
Beans stuff.
You know what I'm saying.
He doesn't have enough of thosemoments.
(45:53):
That's what I mean.
It's like, oh no, where's theback and forth between Schoolboy
Q and Kendrick?
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Right, those are the guest appearances.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
We wanted that.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
We didn't get right, right, and I think you said is
to write previous wrongs, but Ithink it's more so of replacing
the person who was in that spotbefore, like, okay, I took this
person down, I got to replacewhat they did in that space,
because even with 50, when heeliminated Ja Rule, he went to
sing songy route to to inheritJa's fan base, did he not?
(46:28):
You kind of have?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
to do that AG you got actually were in my head
because I thought about 50 whenI thought about this.
And here's the difference Now,50 didn't just sing like Ja Rule
, he did all the things that JaRule could do and then he did
yeah, right.
So there wasn't just the 21questions, there was an in the
club, there was a wankster,there was a back down, there was
(46:52):
a mini-man.
It's like, oh no, he hit youwith everything that he had, not
just the thing that hiscompetitor had, he hit you with
everything.
And here's just the reality ofthe matter.
No, drake has made a lot ofthese records hits, like a lot
of those records that drakefeatured on are hits because
drake featured on it with akendrick feature.
(47:14):
It's now officially become didhe say anything about drake on
the record?
And I don't know if thatnecessarily translates to hit
making ability, the way Drake'sprime looks what up jar that's
fair.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
And before anybody says that I'm hating on Kendrick
, just know that I spent madbread the other day because I'm
taking my daughter to see SZAand Kendrick for the uh, the
stadium tour.
So before anybody says I'mhating on Kendrick, just gave
Kendrick mad bread.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
So you want to know what I need to see when he's
coming.
I guess that would be a goodgraduation present for my
daughter.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
We're pulling up to Charlotte.
Man, come through, charlotteyou coming to Charlotte May 3rd.
My daughter's birthday is onthe 24th, so that's a birthday
present.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Okay, graduation is May 22nd though.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Yeah, my son graduated.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Graduation is like May 22nd, though May 31st, we
locked up till graduation dayreally.
I won't be there good to bewatching kids succeed.
We know you won't be there goodto be watching our kids succeed
.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Sean will be at the Bobby Valentino and a Jay
Holiday concert in state withfive honey packs.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
With five honey packs oh, old school VHS looking like
an old school essay.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Oh man, shout out to Bobby Valentino.
For real though.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Valentino got some hits.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Bobby Valentino getting this much airtime on Hip
Hop Talks tonight.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
It is crazy.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Cut that shit.
Anniversaries AG speaking ofKendrick to Pimple Butterfly,
March 15, 2015.
Is to Pimple Butterfly?
A classic?
Is to Pimple Butterfly,Kendrick's best work?
Overall thoughts and synopsison to Pimple Butterfly, Mad Max,
don't you say shit?
Speaker 3 (49:06):
My favorite thing about this album is it dropped
on my birthday.
My birthday is March 15th, sothat's my favorite thing about
that.
But yes, if I'm being objective, it's a classic.
Because the people say so, do Iconsider it a classic?
I personally don't hold it likethat.
I would say it's his fourthbest album to me because I even
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put gnx over to pimp to pimp abutterfly.
I don't I don't hold it likethat, as most people do.
Um, but my favorite kendrickrecord of all time is on here.
How much a dollar costs.
Love that record.
It goes back and forth betweeneither that or Duckworth for my
favorite song of his all time.
But King Kunta I I mean there'ssome records on here, but
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overall I wasn't a fan of theproduction.
It's real jazzy, kind of like amodern, what you would think a
modern tribe album would soundlike.
And I've always had one thoughtin particular about To Pimp a
Butterfly and it might be anunpopular opinion, but my
thought that was always that Nasis, and people are going to say
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I'm blazing Nas or whatever,but Nas' untitled album ran, so
To Pimp a Butterfly could fly Inmy opinion, because the themes
that's on that album of Untitled.
I think in 2008, when Nasdropped the N-word album, the
world wasn't ready for it, right?
But when you get around to ToPimp a Butterfly coming out, a
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lot of the white media was ableto grab a hold of it and do
these think pieces on it,because Kendrick is a little bit
more safe with the samemessaging and he made it more
palatable and digestible forthat group to take.
So am I saying Untitled is abetter album than To Pimp a
Butterfly?
I'm not saying that I prefer it, but I'm not saying it's better
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.
But what I'm saying is Untitledis a necessary thing to happen
so we can eventually get to ToPimp a Butterfly and it be
heralded the way that it isrespectfully, I do not agree
with any of that.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
no, and I'm going to tell you why I don't agree with
that, and this is where I'mactually going to give Kendrick
some credit, so people will stopcalling me a hater.
Hit your record buttons, screenrecord this y'all.
The main thing that I actuallyremember and how To Pimp a
Butterfly made me feel afterlistening to the first time was
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this was the concise andconcerted and focused effort
that Untitled was not.
The song structure is better,the songs and this is probably
the only time you're going tohear me say this about a Nas
project that is pretty wellwritten.
It's like, oh no, kendrick, toPimple Butterfly is more well
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written than Untitled.
The songs are better.
The songs have a fullness tothem that are equimini.
It takes a nation of millionslevels like in terms of
completing a song from beginningto end, giving it all the
crannies and little things tomake the song complete.
Untitled is uneven.
Speaker 3 (52:16):
I agree with all that .
But what I'm asking you'retalking about the quality of the
records and the album itself.
I'm talking about thematicallyis what I'm bringing up.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
I just I get what you're saying.
How about this?
I feel like Untitled is a microview of our black social
conditions.
It's Nas taking micro pieces ofour black condition like fried
chicken and exposing thedichotomy of those macro things.
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Pimple Butterfly is a macroeffort.
It's an overall synopsis of theBlack culture.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Which makes it more digestible and palatable for
audiences.
That's not from our culture, iswhat I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Because it is delivered in a way that feels
more fully conceptualized thanuntitled.
But that's the macro effect,that's fair, the micro effect.
So I would agree with you onthat.
Yes, is it a classic?
I'm going to have to tell youthat it is.
It's one of the morewell-written pieces of work in
hip-hop history.
It has just enough specialrecords on there, in my opinion,
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to call it a classic.
I'm with you, ag.
I think how Much a Dollar Costsis his best song.
I go between how Much a DollarCosts and Real off Good Kid Mad
City.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
Those are my two.
We forgot Mortal man.
Mortal man Like yeah, oh no, Iwas about to get to Mortal man.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
That's what I mean when I say there's just enough
classic stuff on here.
Because on here, because mortalman is a is what I like to call
an instant classic record.
How much a dollar cost is ainstant classic record?
I think these walls is.
When I heard these walls I waslike this is this record, could
have went on a quimini and itwouldn't have lost a step on a
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quimini, and I do think a fewalbums that's gotten five mics
that actually earned every micthat it got.
We'll be talking about that alittle bit later too, and so I
do think that it's a classic,but I'm going to say the same
thing that I already said aboutit it's hard to ride to that
shit, especially after 15minutes.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
Where do you rank it in the catalog?
Speaker 1 (54:21):
When I go back and listen to it now.
Ok, so it all depends on howyou really want to rank things.
Do I enjoy listening to damnmore than I do listening to Pimp
a Butterfly?
I sure do.
I can't in clear conscience tellyou that it's better, because
when he hits onto Pimp aButterfly he hits like, I'm
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sorry, like as much as I thinkDuckworth is brilliant, I think
how Much a Dollar Costs is oneof the more brilliant
storytelling moments in thehistory of rap and I think it's
one of the more thoughtfulmoments where we talk about God
in a manner that is trulydigestible.
It might be the most digestiblesong where we actually where
God is the focus in the historyof rap.
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It's like that.
It's that special.
So when you're hitting yourmark like that as a writer, when
you're making cultural anthems,like all right, when you're
making thematic things that hitlike mortal man, mama said you
know hood politics?
Yeah, it's, there's some stuffon there's, there's some stuff
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on there.
There's some stuff on there, Ican't deny.
So I'm still going totentatively tell you that it's
his second best album.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Yeah, y'all in the chat.
That was cool, being fullyobjective giving Kendrick praise
man.
Don't say this dude hating onKendrick man, like how about
this.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
He gave him his love man Because he won the Pulitzer
for this right.
No, that was for Damn See.
I think that's backwards.
That's what I would tell you Ifyou told me that he won the
Pulitzer it might have been amake-up situation.
They might have thought well, hedeserves a Pulitzer, a make-up
situation, because this is whatI mean about it.
Oh no, this is one of the fewrap albums that actually
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deserves a pulitzer.
Like it takes a nation, uh,death certificate.
You know, like it's one ofthose types of albums in terms
of the social commentary beingso long lasting, so important,
but so concise and so woven.
In a way, the problem is thatyou can't ride to it.
I would tell you that the beatscould have been better.
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Because of that, like I feellike the beats could have been
better.
Because of that, I feel likethe producer could have made it
more digestible, becauseKendrick is so concise and so
intense and so in-vents and sohell-bent on achieving his goal
and his message on here.
It's like no, I feel like theproducer should have gave him
more shit to ride to.
So I'd say the biggest problemwith this album isn't Kendrick,
it is the production.
It's fair, that's fair.
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Now we'll go to an album thatdoesn't deserve a music
anniversary, but we're talkingabout it anyway, and that's
Prime 2 by Royce Da 5'9" a DJpremiere March 16th 2018.
Somebody tell me why the hellwe're talking about this album.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yo, that's crazy, it's.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
AG moving out Am I wild you talking about Prime?
Speaker 3 (57:04):
2.
I think the first one's aclassic.
But as far as this one, thefirst one's a classic.
This one I don't like as much.
Yeah, it's a personal classic,it's not a renowned classic but
for me it's a personal classic.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
I really enjoy Prime 1 classic.
Speaker 3 (57:21):
It's hard what this duo brings.
When we talk about who had youbrought this up last show, who
has the most chemistry withPrimo, I think, outside of Guru,
and then the obvious answerswould be Nas.
We talked about Big Jay Jay Rue.
I brought up AZ.
Remember we was talking aboutthe format and surprisingly,
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nobody brought up Royce.
This combination, like Boom, isone of Premier's best works.
You know what I mean.
And I think Royce over Primoproduction is a dope marriage.
I think the thing that it's adope concept.
But I think why this onesuffers is the box that they put
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themselves in when they came upwith the concept of what each
Prime album would be.
They take, if you don't know,they take the production and
sample from one producer, oneproducer's catalog, and Primo
chops up all the beats from that.
The first one was based offproducer adrian young and then
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the second one, prime two, wasbased off the production of
ant-man wonder.
And that's challenging to limityourself to one person's
catalog to sample from.
You know what I mean.
Like somebody like risen coulddo that masterfully.
I feel like you know what I'msaying because, would you say,
sean 36 chambers only had like ahandful of samples on their
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period.
You know, yeah, the way he wasjust chopping stuff was crazy.
But I think the second onesuffered from the box that they
put themselves in to just takefrom one person's catalog on the
samples and stuff.
But I still think it's a solideffort and I'm looking forward
to prime three they're doinganother one, yeah.
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I mean it's gonna be on hold tothis Nas joint drop, I assume.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (59:14):
I don't wanna hear you thought it was gonna come
first better stop fuckingplaying.
Alright, better stop playing.
First of all, nobody told them,nobody told these niggas to be
taking just samples from oneproducer and making an album out
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of it.
Nobody asked you to do that.
Nobody told you to do that, andso I'm going to be honest with
you.
I really enjoy Prime.
I thought Prime was a sleeperalbum of the sleeper album of
the year the year that it cameout.
It might have been one of myfive favorite projects that year
.
I did not enjoy Prime 2.
I did not.
I did not find it to beproductive.
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There's not a standout micperformance on there, in my
opinion.
There's not a standout beat onthere, in my opinion, and I wish
that these niggas would drop aprime three when you've been
promising me a nas and djpremiere album.
That, by the way, I told all ofy'all.
See when I be right, don'tnobody say nothing.
Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
They'd be like no, you said it wasn't dropping.
You said it wasn't dropping.
Last year I told you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
I told you this time last year.
I was like, yeah, I said so,ilmatic's 30 years old.
You think you getting a djpremiere nas album the year?
Ilmatic is turning 30 and I'mthe one that's done hard drugs
like Kanye.
Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
But for the record, though, I think this one's a 3.5
.
The first prime I give a 4.5,so their overall discography is
a 4 In my book.
Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Respectable.
Let's keep it moving, fellas.
Let's get into some news.
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Yeah, erykah Badu and alchemists are working on a
project.
Guys, it's like we'll miss youout we'll miss you first of all,
first thing I was thinking iswell, no, no, I was thinking
well, don't both of them havelike green eyes?
So maybe if they stare witheach other, the reflection will
keep him from being hypnotizedlike everybody else has been,
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because everybody else has beenhypnotized, they're in trouble.
Like you know, if you stay inthe studio with her too long,
she can be like the Virgin Maryshe can just conceive right
there.
It's like immaculate conceptionshit going on with Badu.
It's a very dangerous situation.
I am looking forward to thefact that Erykah Badu can rap
y'all.
And what if this is an ErykahBadu rap album is actually what
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I thought about when I heardthis, because she's very
stylistically, she's veryBahamadi or Lauryn Hill-ish on
the mic, like when she actuallyrap raps.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
It's an interesting concept, but I didn't think
about that until you just saidit.
But we could be gettingsomething like that.
Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
I only say that because when I heard this, you
know what I thought about.
Some of the first freestyles Iever kicked were over the beats
to Baduism.
Because that was the thingabout Baduism that kind of made
it so funky and different forthe time.
See, mary was rapping over EastCoast hip-hop beats.
Badu was swaying on shit thatyou could cipher to, no matter
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where you were from.
You know what I'm saying, yep,and so when I heard that she was
pairing with Alchemist, I'mlike, is Badu going to give us
some 16s?
And here's the next thing thatI thought Sean and you listen to
this wherever you are.
You listen to this too in thebackground somewhere.
Oh, she better not give me arap album before Lauryn Hill
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give me a rap album.
Let this be a rap album.
And Lauryn Hill ain't gave meno rap album.
Erykah Badu, give me a LaurynSean you know I'm going ooh,
that's possible.
Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
That is possible.
I'm telling you that.
Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
I will be on here and be like and today is day number
4,976 that Lauryn Hill has notmade a full wrap.
I will come on here.
It better not happen.
She better be singing andscatting like Ella Fitzgerald on
these Alchemist beats.
For the sake of Lauryn Hill, Iwill come on here and I will
show my ass, and that's all Igot.
Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
It may happen.
I'm looking forward to it.
We'll see what comes from it.
I'm scared of Erykah Badu soI'm not going to say, but so
much Damn, coop and AG went out.
It's the Erykah Badu stuff.
See, that's what happens whenyou talk about Erykah Badu
(01:03:35):
Everything goes black.
Okay, cooper's back.
See, let's get up to the ErykahBadu conversation, because both
you and AG going black and justlike that, I'm by myself.
So, yeah, you're tuning in tothe best right now.
Erykah Badu, I'm out of here.
I'm not going to say anythingabout her at all, because
everybody else go black whenErykahcdew conversation comes up
.
So, um, I want to move on tosomething different.
As soon as coop and ag comesback.
Yeah, this don't feel goodright now.
(01:03:57):
Um, can somebody tell me a jokeor something, because I don't
know what's going on with theseguys.
This is crazy.
Yo, ag, come back.
Coop, come back.
Yo, this is crazy.
I'm the only one that got theinternet working in my house.
Ag and Coop, west Virginia.
You know what it looked likeover there.
All right, my bad, that wasjust calling my bad.
(01:04:21):
That nigga's bouncing off.
That was everybody gettingtheir body off of here.
Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
No, no, no, no, no.
My sister was just calling me.
It kicked me out because mysister was calling me.
All right.
Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
Yo, let's move on, because that got crazy.
Let's move on.
Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
There's no telling what you were saying about
Erykah Badu.
I didn't say anything.
I was still here.
Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
I was still here because I didn't say anything
about Erykah Badu.
I'm afraid of her.
Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Always will be.
I got nothing to say bad aboutit.
Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Cam said she came at the same spot.
He said he left.
I'm not saying I'm not sayingI'm not saying I'm not playing.
So I met Erykah Badu once Iactually helped take care of.
You'd love to tell about it.
No, so Seven's fifth birthdayparty actually got held at my
job.
So I got to meet Erykah Baduand Andre Benjamin for the first
time on the same day becausethey were celebrating their
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son's birthday.
But the first thing I noticed Iwas like man, I was like Badu
got a small frame and a saddle.
That was in real time, you knowthis is before everybody had
really seen it.
This is before the Internet andlike all that other shit.
This is back in the day.
This is like early 2000s.
It's like, oh no, this is like,this is 2003,.
(01:05:35):
I think, yeah, about 2002, 2003.
Oh no, I seen her in real time.
I was like, oh, I see why Andrestuck.
Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
I saw her in.
Japan.
I saw her in 2000 in Japan.
She came over to Japan to do aconcert and that night I had
like a crazy dream.
I was being chased by a bunchof bulls and she was weird.
What the fuck I know?
I say the same thing.
That night I had a dream mydude had Sean in Spain.
(01:06:04):
Now that is true.
This is real talk.
I can a dream, Badu and Sean inSpain.
Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Now, that is true.
Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
This is real talk.
I can't make this up.
I had a dream that I was beingchased by a bunch of bulls.
I mean, I don't even know why Imean Sean.
Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
I'm not going to lie to you, you know, because I live
in Atlanta.
Most of these women down hereare terrorists and Coochie is
probably a weapon of massdestruction, but I mean Badu,
the leader of the Taliban.
I don't know, Look it's bombsover Baghdad for real when she
show up.
Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
Okay, that state is like frankincense and myrrh and
I was like man, it's a strongmusk in the air.
I didn't know when she came onthe state it, it's a strong musk
in the air.
I didn't know when she came onstage what I could.
Storm the musk in the air.
It's kind of a musky idea, butit's not like a bad musk, it's
like a weird strong musk.
I'm like man.
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Something is happening.
I'm like man.
Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
And look here Badu's legend is so real.
Look here Badu's legend is soreal.
Look here One of my young G's,our mentor.
He pulled up on me one day.
He was like yo Coop, he's likewhen you post, he's like chicks
that listen to Badu.
They got locks and burn insets.
Snap their fingers to your shit, nigga.
She was like he's like, yourshit is dangerous.
(01:07:27):
Like Badu is dangerous.
This nigga like 27 years old,he calling Erica Badu dangerous,
yeah, crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Shout out to Al.
It was a nice run, al.
It was a nice run, uncle Al.
Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
When that musk hit the air.
I was like man, this kind oflittle musky in here, but it's
not bad.
It's no real earthy like MotherEarth.
Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
We just need to go.
We let Sean go too far.
Let's go.
Let's go to the end.
Time to come back.
Time to come back.
We're going to have our realconvo today.
We had a convo last week whenwe were doing anniversaries
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about Tupac's Me Against theWorld, and our dialogue, you
know, inspired me to do what Ifeel are Tupac's best 25 songs.
Now a lot of people like thelist and enjoy the list.
Some people have had somecritiques about some of the
stuff on the list, and so I kindof want to remind some people
(01:08:34):
about this list.
Pac is an icon and a legend andone of the first real
superstars that we had thateverybody knew outside of the
walls of hip hop.
So when I'm making my list, I'mmaking my list with the
entirety of his fan base in mind, not just us, right?
Too often when we make theselists we think about just us.
(01:08:56):
To quote Kendrick, there arepeople who are not like us.
Yeah, like that little Kendricklove the day.
Yeah, there are people who notlike us that love Tupac and that
listen to him for differentreasons.
Yeah, there are people who notlike us that love Tupac and that
listen to him for differentreasons, and so I tried to
encompass all of thoseexperiences into making the list
.
So a lot of people have beengiving me flack about how do you
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want it making the top 25.
Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Man, I thought this was pretty flawless.
Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Let me explain something to people.
How Do you Want it Is one ofPac's biggest crossover records.
Easily, easily.
There are people who do notknow.
I Get Around, keep your Head Up, tupac that know how Do you
Want it?
Tupac, because of how Do youWant it?
The first time that I heard howdo you want it, my mom had one
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white friend growing up I wasgrowing up.
It was a woman named Kathy.
The first time I ever heard howdo you want it was in Kathy's
Lexus, because Tupac was baldand was sexy and they made a
song she could sing along to.
He had crossed over into adifferent world.
I had realized even when I wasyounger, because my mom's only
white friend was bumping thisshit too.
(01:10:14):
You feel what I'm saying?
Pac had that type of effect.
And also to understandsomething Pac is the first
rapper to really make a hitrecord and talk greasy while
he's making the hit record.
Are you listening to the stuffthat he's saying on?
How do you want to see DoloresTucker?
You a motherfucker.
Instead of trying to help anigga, you destroy your brother
Worse than the others.
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Bill Clinton, mr Bob Dole, youtoo old to understand the way
the game's told you lame, so Igot to hit you with the hot
facts.
I'm out of jail making millionsNiggas top that Niggas want to
sense to me.
They'd rather see me in my cellliving in hell.
Only a few of us will live totell.
Now everybody want to talkabout us.
I'll be the first one to bomband cuss nigga, tell me how you
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want it and you don't think thatshit's top 25, what's?
the party record, who on a partyrecord.
So when people are given andthis is what I'm about to say
when people give big all thiscredit for doing all of those
things on all his hit records,it's like, well, where do you
think he got it from exactly?
Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
Sidebar question.
Have y'all ever seen the uncutversion of the how Do you Want
it video?
Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
Have you ever heard the uncut version of how Do you
Want it?
Because Tupac actually wrotethat hook and sung it and Suge
got KC and JoJo because he'slike nah, he's like you can't
sing good enough and this isgoing to be a big record, let's
call the homies.
That's why, if you listen tothe end of how Do you Want it,
if you really listen to it, pacis laying the skeleton track,
(01:11:42):
because it's him singing thething but the uncut video,
though.
Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
They used to play that joint like let's see to
make another video on HBO, andthey had the uncut video.
This is before BET uncut, andlet me tell you the joint was
wild.
Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Wow, I think I picked some obvious choices Pain Pour
out on a little.
So many tears, dear Mama,california Love, that's what I
mean.
He's actually one of the fewartists that we have.
This was a super easy list tomake.
Guys like he was big and boldand bad, but his best stuff was
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right in front of you.
There was some stuff that Ikind of like went back and forth
about.
Like crazy off of macavelididn't make my list.
I thought about that for aminute um I only had one great.
Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
The only grab I had was but I don't know what I
would replace the only grab Ihad was changes, not making it I
thought about changes.
Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
So how about this?
I always thought I wonder ifheaven got a ghetto and changes
were the same record and Ithought, if I wonder if heaven
got a ghetto was always a betterrecord.
So that response.
Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
That's a fair justification in my book.
Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
Yeah, you got Crazy on there too, right.
Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
No.
I don't have Crazy on there.
Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Do you got the list in front of you for the people
that didn't see it?
Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
I got it right here.
No, I'm about to say I figuredSean probably had it there.
Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
I got it in front of God.
Troublesome 96 was one of theones that I thought about.
That's what I mean.
It's like, oh no, I could haveeasily did 50.
Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
That's what I mean.
And Coop said in no particularorder, so anybody throwing flack
his way by the order.
He said in no particular order.
Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
There are personal songs that I love more.
Some of these records thatdidn't make my list, like God
Bless the Dead, that's one of myfavorite pop records.
I love God Bless the Dead.
You know what I'm saying.
That's one of my shits.
You know what I mean.
Last Words with Ice-T and IceCube I love Last Words.
That's one of my favorite poprecords.
It's like so I didn't do it,like bury me a.
(01:13:43):
G yeah no there was plenty 50,but what I really tried to do is
I tried to take the recordsthat I felt like were his
biggest, most important and alsohis best songs that maybe
people weren't as acquaintedwith.
Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Yeah, you covered all bases.
For the ones that don't know,let's run through it real quick
and this is no particular order,but this is Coop's list.
Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
This is a dope list.
Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
I get around.
Keep your head up.
Pain, pour out a little liquor.
My block, dear mama.
So many tears.
Hail Mary, against all odds Tolive and die in LA, california.
Love Brenda's got a baby.
Ambitions as a rider, I ain'tmad at you.
No more pain.
How do you want it?
Picture me rolling, two ofAmerica's most wanted, if I die
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tonight, one of my favoritesHearts of men.
All about you, me and mygirlfriend.
I wonder if heaven got a ghettotemptations and all eyes on me.
Ok, so so.
So how about this?
Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
So how about this?
I was thinking like, ok, it'slike I I picked.
If I die tonight, do I pick adeath around the corner or do I
pick hearts of men?
It's like, do I feel deatharound the corner more I do?
What's the better beat?
Hearts of men.
What's the better delivery?
Hearts of men.
What's the better written song?
Hearts of men.
It's like the only thing thatdeath around the corner really
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got over hearts of men is thatthe content hits you on a more
personal level better when youare a young kid growing up in
the projects and you're havingsuicidal thoughts.
Not that kid anymore.
Hearts of Men is a betterrecord objectively.
You get what I'm saying.
So when people are talkingabout some of these POC records,
it's like you might be talkingabout where you was in life
because I had to separate myself.
Because you connect the POClike that.
(01:15:25):
I had to separate myself frommy connection to the records to
do the list.
You know what I'm saying.
Because if that's the case,it's like death around the
corner is going in therepersonally over hearts of men.
Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
But when I listen to hearts of men and that fucking
beat drop, I'm like, oh no,that's shit, crazy, it's crazy
but you know what your list,list um, made me realize, though
I think it would be hard pressforressed for anybody and I mean
anybody, excluding no one tobeat Pocket of Verses there's
only one small loophole.
(01:15:54):
One small loophole, and that'sif you get him on the production
.
That's the only loophole.
Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
And this is why I would tell you that the only
person that could beat him isSnoop, and Snoop would have to
play every last record from theChronic and Doggy style to do it
.
He could play nothing elsebecause he would lose
Production-wise.
The production on the Chronicand Doggy style is enough to
beat Pac, but even I'm not sureif that's enough because, like
well, pac has too much range.
(01:16:23):
Well, how about this?
Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Not a lot of people got a lot of records to beat
Lil' Ghetto Boy off.
Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
The chronic Like Pac got a lot of records to beat
Lil' Ghetto Boy Like how manyniggas walking around like that.
It's like oh, no, no, no, I cantake that record off the board
and I got plenty more to spend.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, he actually has, likewhen nothing but a G thing drop,
it's pretty much over.
Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
In theory, it sounds like when you start playing side
by side, you'll realize I don'tthink anything's touching it.
Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Here's the thing, here's where he really wins.
When the songs are comparable,then they come about.
What you feel more, that's whenyou lose it to him.
Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
That's why I said production might be the only
loophole.
Pot was never known for greathim.
That's why I said productionmight be the only loophole, like
, if you got cause, pot wasnever known for great production
.
You know what I'm saying, butthat's the only loophole.
I could see somebody gettingthem.
Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
So this is why all eyes on me is just so important.
It's because it's like, well,all eyes on me is the records
that compete with that doggystyle chronic get richer or die
trying, like you know, I meanthose big, you know gotta go big
, yeah, so.
So he's got that.
So think about that.
(01:17:39):
He's like well, he got you onthe big records, he's got you on
the personal records, he's gotyou on the content, like by a
lot, unless you were not, orChuck B or KRS-One, so you ain't
winning.
Like I said, snoop, if heplayed all the Chronic and Doggy
style stuff, it's the bestbattle Everybody else is.
Speaker 4 (01:17:58):
And Coop is the connection he got you on, a
connection he connects to thepeople way more than any other
artist.
Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Yep.
This is what I'm saying, thisis like oh well, you might think
that somebody like, how aboutthis?
Oh, dmx is a better bar spitterthan Pac.
But even if he had to goagainst Pac there's.
I remember Marvin Gaye used tosaying to me he had me feeling
like black was the thing to be.
(01:18:25):
That resonates with our culturedifferently when he talks like
that it's a game changer.
It's a game changer when hetalks like that.
He's the only dude that everreally talked like that.
Guys, he's a legend, right?
He made our blackness sobeautiful, even through the
problematic parts of it.
Talib had an album called theBeautiful Struggle.
(01:18:46):
That would describe Tupac'sstyle to a T.
Tupac's style to a t.
Like tupac's style is thebeautiful struggle about like
our culture and like as anartist.
His style was a beautifulstruggle too, you know so don't
list though coupe.
Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
There's not really anything to nitpick about.
Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Like I said, like like no, I see people dropping
stuff in there like bomb first.
It's like that's why I wastelling people it.
Oh no, I could have done aneasy 50.
Like when I got done with the25, it's like I had another 20
records in my head, like I didthat list.
I did that list without needingto go through album credits or
just you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
It's no, it's no.
Hit them up on here is youdon't have outlaws on here.
You know what I'm saying?
This is pot.
You're getting full pot on thislist.
Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
I did feel like how about this?
I feel like the only time andthis is why Bomb first isn't on
there A lot of the time becausehe was so great them coming on
did kill the momentum of some ofthe songs, some of them, and so
I only picked, I think, tworecords that they were on and
those songs were just so epicthat you just couldn't ignore,
(01:19:54):
and that's Hail Mary and AllAbout you.
Mm-hmm, yeah, like, even thoughthey closed those records out,
those records are just.
He's too phenomenal on there toleave the records off.
You know what I'm saying?
He just is.
Hail Mary is a bar seminar to me.
Like when I first heard that, Iwas like yeah, I was like
that's that's, that's arguablerhyme of the year.
Think about that.
That's one of the bestlead-offs to a song that nobody
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ever talks about because of thecontent.
I ain't a killer, but don'tpush me.
Revenge is like the sweetestjoy, mixed again pussy picture
paragraphs unloaded, wise wordsbeing quoted.
I peep the weakness in the rapgame and sold it Prophecy
Because he's the first guy toflip the game.
He's the first one to make thesong for the streets and for the
girls.
I peeped the weakness in therap game and sold it.
(01:20:36):
I'm that guy.
He was talking his shit alittle bit too yeah.
People be like, oh, he wasn'tthis bar guy.
It's like, oh shit, go listento Hail Mary.
It's like that sounds like barsto me.
Yeah, five Deadly Venoms.
No, no, no.
I remember Five Deadly Venomswith Trench.
That's what I'm saying.
We could do this all day.
(01:20:57):
Guys Do this all day, but yeah.
But that's one of the bestlead-offs to a song somebody
talks about I ain't a killer,but don't push me Easily.
Think about what he's sayingwhen he's saying that I am a
killer, but don't push me.
Think about how many black menthat actually feel that way
every day when they wake up.
That's that relatability thathe provides that almost nobody
else provides.
He knows how to sum up pieces ofour struggle in a bar in a way
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that nobody before I am a killer, but don't push me.
That is like the sweetest joynext to getting pussy.
Yo, that's.
That's just as good as anythingshakespeare ever wrote.
Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
Guys, no doubt, no doubt very matter of fact, it's
very matter of fact and it getsstraight to the point.
Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Yeah, yeah, matt max.
He is the first guy to reallymake hit records for ladies and
make hit records for the streets.
He is I'm sorry, none of theguys before did that.
Rock him didn't do that.
Slick rick didn't do that.
Kane tried to do it.
It did not happen successfully.
People forget after Kane madeHalf Steppin' and Raw it was all
songs for the ladies.
That was part of the downfall.
No, he did not do that.
Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
He did it in the same song at that.
You got to toss it up wherehe's actually dissing someone
and he's talking about theladies in the same song.
Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
What is it?
Papa Song off Strictly for myName.
That's one of my favoritejoints he's got so many records,
too, that I could go through.
The only album that I'm not abig fan of while he was here was
the first one.
The rest of them I'm all bigfans of, including Strictly.
I love Strictly, probably morethan the average person does,
but that was one of my firsthip-hop buy-ins, though no doubt
(01:22:33):
Good list.
And now to the main event.
Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
Yes, sir.
So we need everyone'sparticipation on this.
I'm going to put a lot of pollsfor us inside the chats, so we
need y'all to help us getthrough this.
I said polls we should havetalked about, said polls inside
the chat.
Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
See, I'd like to apologize to the fans.
When we started the show, I didnot have my moderation list.
Had I known that Sean was goingto be putting polls inside the
chat, we definitely would haveX'd that part of the segment out
.
Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
Now I'm hearing it.
Yeah, you're right, angie'slike I can't do this yo, let's
get to it AG alright.
Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
So yeah, we about to.
It's March Madness time.
We about to get into the hiphop talks bracket.
So yeah, sean had been talking.
Yeah, nah, north Carolina allday and Michigan.
Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Sean had been talking for a while.
North Carolina shouldn't evenbe in the tournament, but that's
another conversation foranother day.
Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
I didn't dispute that .
Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
Yeah, West Virginia should be there, but that's a
sore spot because I'm a NorthCarolina fan too, so we won't
talk about that.
Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
West Virginia.
Actually, North Carolina justtook West Virginia's slot.
That was the team that wassupposed to be.
Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
I know it's bittersweet, because I'm a
Carolina fan too, so I can'treally say nothing, but I
digress are you wearing Carolinablue Sean?
Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
what the fuck is going?
Is that Carolina blue Nike?
Yeah?
Sorry you wow, yeah, just incase next week, when my team's
still playing, I'm going to wearmy Duke gear next week.
I don't believe this is goingto happen.
You're from West Virginia.
You're a North Carolina fan.
You're from Queens.
(01:24:18):
You're wearing a fucking target.
Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
Hey, north Carolina and Michigan, since I could read
and write.
Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
The two teams Duke hate the most, that's right.
North Carolina and MichiganCan't stand them both.
All right, fair enough.
All the bad things happen toall your teams this tournament.
Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
Right man.
Your best player's brain is hisankle.
Yo, like share subscribe.
We have a lot of people in theviews right now Like share
subscribe.
Let's keep it going.
Okay, just scribe, let's keepit going.
Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
Okay, back to this.
No, no, no.
Kentucky doesn't count.
Is Kentucky a team?
Still, oh, damn Maybe next yearguys, maybe next year guys,
team sucks.
All right, keep going.
Ag Mars Madness.
Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
But yeah, like Sean had been talking for a while, to
do a segment or a topic basedaround the content of the
history of the albums that gotfive mics in the source.
So what we want to present toy'all today is a bracket based
on those albums that receivedfive mics in the source.
Because, let's be real, printmedia is no longer a thing.
(01:25:22):
So I'll tweet today by I thinkit was a cat shout out to Old Ed
Energy.
He said he missed the SourceMagazine era because you know
this blog, the blogger is not it.
You know what I'm saying.
So we want to pay homage to theprint media and source magazine
era.
But it's three differentsubsets of albums that got five
(01:25:44):
mics in the source, the covetedfive mics.
For those of you who don't know, we got the albums that were
actually awarded five mics.
And then we got another set ofalbums that were retroactively
awarded five mics because theywere never rated.
Most of those were out beforethe publication started rating
(01:26:04):
albums because the sourcestarted in late 88.
And a lot of those earlieralbums 88, early 89 didn't get
rated on the mic system.
So they went back retroactivelyand gave a lot of these albums
five mics that they feeldeserved it.
And then the final subset isalbums that they got wrong,
which, in their publication,they either gave a four and a
(01:26:27):
half or, in some cases, a fourmic rating.
And they say you know what Ourbad?
We was wrong.
We're going to go back andchange this and give it five
mics.
And the issue that they did thatin is issue 150, which was in
2002, for anybody who wants toGoogle it and look it up.
So we have all those albumscomprised here to do a break.
(01:26:49):
Well, actually two brackets.
The first bracket is going tobe a playing bracket, sort of
like the first four tournamentto get into the big dance, and
the 16 albums that make up thefirst bracket that we're going
to go to are the albums thatwere never rated but they
retroactively gave five mics.
(01:27:10):
So only two out of those 16will make it to the big dance
list.
So we're gonna go through thatone first now, before people in
the chat get to acting crazy andstart talking about what was my
favorite album got a uh so toolate for that.
Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
It's two hours too late for that.
It's 90 minutes too late forthat.
Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
They already started so here's the thing there's no
bias involved in the rubric thatcreated the seedings on the
bracket.
The higher seedings went to thealbums that were first awarded
five mics the coveted five mics.
The lower seedings went to thealbums that were originally
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awarded a four or four and ahalf.
They didn't get five out thegate, so by default they get the
lower seedings, and then so onand so forth.
So, starting from the top, ifpeople's instinctives is one of
the first albums to get it, letthe rhythm hit them edutainment.
So they get the number one andnumber two, top tier rankings,
and so on and so forth, goingthrough the history of the five
(01:28:09):
mics, and then, like I said, thefour and a half's and the
four's, they get the bottomrankings and we meet in the
middle.
So that's how we did that, youknow, shout out to my girlfriend
like you know what I'm sayingdoing the visuals for the
bracket.
Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
So hey, ag, what up?
Do you mind if I submitsomething to you before you go
any further your thoughts andSean's thoughts on this.
First of all, I think this isan excellent idea for you, by
the way, so shout out to youthis is an excellent idea.
I didn't get to tell you in thechat earlier this week because
I was busy when you put up andschemed everything, but I
(01:28:42):
thought this was an excellentidea.
I will tell you.
It really did make me question,though why are we paying homage
to the source?
Because I'll tell you what.
How right were they really, ag?
Because when I'm looking backon it, I feel more led astray by
(01:29:03):
them than I do really feel likethey were ever really hip hop's
Bible.
They got way more wrong thanthey got right, and when I saw
your bracket for the first time,I looked at the albums on the
bracket that weren't originallyhanded five mics.
There you go, yep, and I saidto myself they're better, the
(01:29:23):
albums that weren't originallyhanded five mics, or about the
whoop, the album's asses whohave five mics, was my thought.
When I read your bracket, ag, Isaid these are the albums that
didn't get five mics, goingagainst the albums that did make
five mics.
I said the only album that gotfive mics, that's making it out
of here alive, is Illmatic andthere's not a fucking guarantee.
Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
When you see them beat together, it's kind of
jarring.
Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
Let the rhythm hit them somewhere close to Doggy
Style or the Chronic Gone Kaboom.
And so it really made me thinkto myself what did you really
get right outside of Illmaticand Equimini and I'm not fucking
joking when I'm saying thatOutside of Illmatic and Equimini
, what five-mic album did theyreally get right in real time,
like in our time, Because weweren't there for the first?
Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
four.
Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
The first four.
Oh no, the first four werePeople.
Instinctives.
Let the Rhythm Hit.
Edutainment, Edutainment andAll for One by Brand Newbie
right.
Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
Yeah, that was America's Most Wanted, was in
there too.
Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
They were actually all in the same issue, like all
the ones you just rattled off,right.
So, okay, america's Most Mightmake it somewhere.
And as much as I love Let theRhythm Hit Em and I've waxed
poetic about Let the Rhythm HitEm more than anybody in this pod
space- yes, that is a fact.
Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
That is a fact.
Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
Let the Rhythm Hit them.
Ain't making it past no damnCuban length well, we're about
to see or a reasonable doubtwe're about to see look here man
that was the baseline for allof this yes, baseline.
Ray Charles and Helen Kellercan have a kid and they can see
(01:31:10):
this shit that's about to happen.
This shit is wild, that's wild.
Speaker 4 (01:31:15):
It goes against the conventional, it's
unconventional.
Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
But I say this to say because think about it.
Ag, correct me if I'm wrongbecause I haven't looked at the
list in a couple of days.
Is Supreme Clientele on hereBecause they gave that four and
a?
Half.
Crazy Right, think clientele onhere Because they gave that
four and a half.
Crazy Right.
Think about Liquid Swords got afour.
Doggy Style got a four.
It's like hip-hop buy-in.
Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
What hip-hop buy-in.
They didn't go back and giveLiquid Swords five.
Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
They didn't go back and give Liquid Swords five.
They don't.
Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
Everything you said.
We'll do a part two to this,because everything you're
talking about is what weactually kind of constructed the
entire show on before doing itinto a bracket.
Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
All I'm saying is is you're telling me it was hip
hop's Bible.
It's looking like Leviathan tome, though.
Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Well, it is jarring when you see the groupings
together, because the four and ahalf and the fives grouped
together are better, in myopinion, than the actual fives.
And then you got the ones thatwere never rated.
But that's like the earlierlegends and stuff.
So this will get interesting.
So we'll go ahead and do theplay-in tournament first, and
two will come out of that andthey'll get the 16 seeds for the
(01:32:25):
main bracket.
Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
I don't even.
I don't you know what I wasjust thinking about.
This, yo, and this is how Imuch enjoyed the Rufus project.
I don't even mean to sidebarout of this.
I was just thinking about someshit that Rufus said.
Rufus was talking some gangstershit on there and it's like you
gotta know the G's to evencheck some of the shit that he
was saying on this project.
I'm just thinking Like he wasgiving you some rules and shit
(01:32:51):
on the project too.
People need to peep thatproject Because he was saying
some of the rules out too.
Yeah, he was doing someteaching on there, right?
So, yeah, so, ag, back to thiswhole you know source fucking up
and you having to fix it with abracket.
I don't know about all that.
That's what it sounded likewhen you said it.
That's what we're going with.
Speaker 4 (01:33:11):
We created the algorithm.
Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
This is all original content right here.
Let's get it All right.
So this is the play-intournament, people.
So only two of this will comeout alive and be the 16 seeds
for the main tournament.
So we got 16 albums for thisplay-in.
On one side of the bracket, wegot the number one ranked Run
(01:33:35):
DMC self-titled album againstthe number eight seed.
All Eyes On Me.
Gentlemen, see what I'm talkingabout, you understand the word,
because all I mean was neverrated in real time they couldn't
(01:33:56):
afford to not give him five.
Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
They never even gave him four and a half.
Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
For me against the world it was never rated in real
time, and the reason why it'sranked that as an 8 seed because
it was the last on the listbased on.
For those of you who are notfollowing, it was the last on
the list based on.
For those of you who are notfollowing, it was the last on
the list in chronological order,you know, starting from all
these that were retroactivelygiven a 5.
So that's why it's the 8 seed.
Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
So all eyes on me.
Next Sean you in agreement.
I agree Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
People in the chat saying I'm up here playing like
I can read this shit.
Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
I can't see shit alright, now we got the four
seed by all means necessary upagainst, that's by BDP, by the
way, against a five seed.
Critical breakdown byultramagnetic MCs.
Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
All means necessary.
It's not even a conversationfor me.
No disrespect, you know whatI'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Alright.
Still on the same side of thebracket we got number three seed
Criminal Minded by BDP, Upagainst number three seed
Criminal Minded by BDP, Onceagain Up against number six seed
Strictly Business by EPMD.
Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
I'm looking down productions all day again.
Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
I'm always more BDP than EPMD.
Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
So I'm not, it's not even that one's less
conversational for me becauseCriminal Minded is superior by
all means in my opinion, andyeah, I'm going to have to go
Criminal Minded as well.
I do too, man, conversationalfor me because criminal minded
is superior by all means in myopinion, and yeah I'm gonna have
to go criminal minded as well.
Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
I do too, man.
Yeah, all right, we're still onthe same side of the bracket.
We got a two seed license toill by the beasties.
I love, like I do too, but it'sgoing up against the seventh
seed straight out of Comptonjust like that.
Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
See how it happen.
It happen fast, like watch thatplane get shot down in the sky.
It's like that's my plane.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
That ain't your plane yo put y'all's votes in the
chat.
You know what I'm saying.
We going through these alright.
So we're on the other side ofthe bracket now.
We got a number one seed, llCool J, with radio, versus the
number eight seed, doc.
No one can do it better Radio.
(01:36:24):
I'm going DOC.
I got to go radio.
I'm going DOC Coop.
I'm going DLC Coop.
You might be the tiebreakervote, bro, what you got.
Speaker 4 (01:36:32):
Matt, take it to the chat.
Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
When you got Coop radio is more important, but no
one can do it.
Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
Better is better what are you advancing?
Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
no one can do it better, cause it's better it is,
it's better it is.
I'm sorry it is I love no OneCan.
How about this?
No One Can Do it Better is oneof those rap albums that I love
more than the average personloves.
It's one of those old rapalbums that I go listen to still
.
Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
One of the biggest what-ifs to hip-hop history.
Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
The, no, the the.
How about this?
The way I talk about Beans?
No, I feel the same way aboutDLC.
Yeah, I feel the same way aboutDLC.
Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
I do.
It's okay to be wrong Sean.
Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
I got to get Steve.
No one can do a better specialdude.
No one can do a better special.
How about this If the DLC hasthe career that he's supposed to
have?
I can't even tell you thatScarface is the best rapper
coming out of Texas, let alonethe South.
That's how serious DOC is.
Yeah.
If everybody knows how I feelabout face.
(01:37:40):
No DOC like that.
Speaker 4 (01:37:42):
Yep Go, listen to the product.
Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
For those of you who follow along, we're going to put
both of the brackets up onsocials.
We're going to try to have thatup tomorrow, over the weekend.
You know what I'm saying, howthis pans out.
Same side of the bracket, wegot a number four seed.
It takes a nation of millionsto hold us back by public enemy.
Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
How is that a four?
Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Because there's no bias, it's chronological order.
Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
You know what I'm saying, how you know they were
released so when you say ittakes a nation to millions in
four, I go flag on the plateOff-size.
Yeah, that's why I had to keepexplaining it.
Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
So that was the only way to do the rubric, with no
bias on where it landed, youknow.
Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
What you mean Fourth greatest rap album ever.
Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
All right, mean four.
What you mean?
Fourth greatest rap album ever.
Alright, so the number fiveseed is Long Live the King by
Big Daddy King.
Not enough, I'm gonna go withit.
Takes a Nation.
Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
Everybody in agreement?
I don't know.
I love Long Live the King.
How about this?
Long Live the King is a hip-hopclassic.
It Takes a Nation to Millionsis one of the best rap albums
ever made, ever Absolutely andin some people's opinion, the
best rap album ever made.
How about this?
Dj Premier's number one rapalbum of all time is it Takes a
(01:38:59):
Nation to Millions.
It's all this back and hehelped put together Illmatic.
Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
Fair enough.
Yeah, Next up, we got on thesame side of the bracket.
We got on the same side of thebracket.
We got the three seed paid infull by Eric B and Rock M,
Versus a six seed straight outthe jungle by the Jungle
Brothers.
Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
I think this is a pretty easy one.
Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
It's painful, yeah, payton full and it takes the
nation are the two albums fromthe 80s that are probably going
to go the furthest.
Yeah.
Now, on the same side of thebracket, the last matchup we got
is the number two seed, raisingHell by Run DMC, versus the
number seven seed, greatAdventure with Slick Rick.
Oh, my goodness, I knew it wasabout to lose again.
Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
Give me Slick, rick, it's Slick.
Speaker 4 (01:39:49):
You got it.
I think it's about to loseagain Give me.
Slick.
Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
Rick, it's Slick.
I think it's because of thetime.
Speaker 4 (01:39:52):
I think it's just the time.
Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
When I was saying that no One Can Do it Better is
one of the few old school albumsI go back and listen to and
listen to.
Oh, the Greatest Adventures ofSlick Rick is the album from
that time that I go back andlisten to the most.
It's a pillow, it's a pillow.
It's a cornerstone album.
Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
But now this is where it gets interesting, fellas,
because we're down to our EliteEight and remember what we're
playing for.
You're just playing for twofinalist spots to get into the
other bracket.
We'll see what happens.
We got All Eyes On Me versus byAll Means Necessary.
We'll see what happens.
All right, we got all eyes onme versus by all means necessary
.
Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
Taking all eyes on me .
All eyes on me.
I have to agree, I have toagree.
Yeah, anthony, we're notputting polls up because the
polls are going to take too longto collect the data, so we just
literally need y'all to putthem in the chat.
But we are reading and lookingin the chat.
We do need y'all'sparticipation in case we're in a
deadlock.
Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
Yeah, if we're in a deadlock and can't decide, we'll
take it to a poll in the chatPause.
Wow, that's crazy.
Alright.
So the next one we got CriminalMinded versus Straight Outta
Compton.
Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
Okay, so Straight Outta Compton is inspired by
Criminal Minded.
It's literally the albumStraight Outta Compton is
inspired by.
Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
I'm still taking Straight Outta Compton for
myself.
Speaker 4 (01:41:23):
That's tough bro.
Yeah, this is where it getstricky.
I'm going to need to chat.
Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
I don't know if I can do that.
I don't know if I can do that.
I think super highly of both ofthose albums, but I couldn't
tell you which one is reallymore important.
Because Criminal Minded is justas landmark for East Coast hip
hop groups as Straight OuttaCompton landmark for East Coast
hip-hop groups as Straight OuttaCompton is for West Coast
(01:41:51):
hip-hop groups.
Speaker 3 (01:41:53):
People have to understand.
Speaker 1 (01:41:55):
Criminal Minded.
Okay, because people look atKRS-One and need to understand
this.
It's like oh no, the KRS-Onethat you know is not the KRS-One
that's on Criminal Minded.
The KRS-One that's on CriminalMinded is more like Ice Cube on
Straight Outta Compton and IceCube will tell you who was your
motivation on Straight OuttaCompton, krs-one on Criminal.
Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
Minded Big facts, him and Chuck D for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
Chuck D on the social comments here.
If you ask Ice Cube where thatgangster shit is, no, that's
KRS-One from Criminal Minded KRSof the gangsta first before he
became a general.
Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
What do y'all want to say?
First one to 30 votes 30 a goodnumber.
Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
Yeah, I can't do that Right now we are at 50%.
Speaker 4 (01:42:42):
Is there a lot?
51% right now?
Criminal minded.
What's the vote count?
Let me see if I can see thevote count.
I have to end the what's thevote count.
Let me see if I can see thevote count.
I have to end the poll to seethe vote count.
Can't do that.
Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
No, I can't do that to criminal minded, not in clear
conscience.
It's too big, because it's gotmy 9mm Because straight out of
Compton's got to expressyourself.
Fuck the police and straightout of Compton.
But criminal minded's got my9mm goes bang.
South Bronx bridge is over.
Speaker 4 (01:43:11):
Yo, it is dead.
It's still 50-50?
It's 53.
I can stop it right now.
That's tough.
Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
That's the toughest question we've had, maybe on
this show since we've done thisshow.
Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
Is 53 for BDP.
Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
Let me check.
I had to end the poll.
If I end the poll right now,which I just did, it would
Strata Compton 52.
That's 38 votes, 52%.
Strata Compton 47%criminal-minded.
Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
All right, it moves on Fair and square way, either
way.
Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
That's a tough one.
Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
All right.
Speaker 4 (01:43:45):
You probably can't go wrong with album one.
Yep.
Either way.
Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
Either way, we're on the other side of the bracket.
We're trying to complete ourfinal four on this side.
So we got DOC.
No One Can Do it Better.
Up against it Takes a Nation.
Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
DOC.
Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
Yep, good night.
Good night, yep.
Speaker 4 (01:44:06):
You agree, Sean?
No, I agree.
It's not even a question.
Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
Yeah, but wait till y'all hear the next one, paid in
full, versus the GreatAdventures of Slick Rick.
Good grief, I'm sorry, rick,but I'm going paid in full.
That's hard to do but I got togo paid in full.
Y'all, man up and make adecision.
(01:44:32):
Man, put y'all big boy pants on, y'all killing me.
Man, y'all trying to be alldiplomatic and shit.
Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
You know how I feel about Slick Rick man.
Okay, so how?
Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
about this.
There's only two rap albums, inmy opinion, that actually have
four of the 100 greatest hip-hopsongs.
Two rap albums, in my opinion,that actually have four of the
100 greatest hip-hop songs ofall time on one album, and these
are actually the only twoalbums that have them in my
opinion, because Peyton Fool hasmy Melody.
Eric B is President.
(01:45:03):
Peyton Fool, I Know you GotSoul and Slick and the Greatest
Adventures has Mona LisaChildren's.
Speaker 4 (01:45:11):
Story.
Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
Teenage World and hey Young Love.
I think those eight songs areall top 100 songs and I love
Slick Rick, but Payton Full's atop five rap album to me still
to this day, and I'm pickingPayton Full as much as it pains
me.
Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
That's two out of three.
So even if Sean picked Slick,Rick Peyton Full moved on.
Speaker 4 (01:45:35):
Even when I end the poll, Paul's on.
I think the poll had it.
Let me see where we got it.
The poll got Peyton Fullwinning.
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
Don't ever ask me to do this again on live television
.
Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
This is the play-in tournament.
This is the qualifier.
Speaker 1 (01:45:54):
This is ridiculous.
I'm getting stressed out.
I need to smoke in the show,all right.
Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
So we got our final four, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
Okay, not okay.
Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
Our final four, for just the play-in, so it's going
to come down to two.
All right.
So on one side, this is for youget qualified to move on to the
other bracket.
We got all eyes on me versusstraight out of Compton.
I'm taking all eyes on me.
We're moving to the otherbracket.
Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
I'm taking all eyes on me.
I am, I'm with you All eyes onme.
Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
I am, I'm with you.
All eyes on me.
Speaker 1 (01:46:31):
I'm taking Tupac with me everywhere.
Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
I go Every other video.
I'm with you, Coop.
What say you, Sean?
All eyes on me.
It's a tough one, but all eyeson me.
I'm with you On the other side.
For the other qualifier we got,it Takes a Nation versus.
Paid in Full.
Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
I won't, I won't do that.
Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
Let's chat that one.
I won't do that.
Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
I'm going to say Paid in Full for me.
Because I can stand on myopinion, I'm going to say Paid
in Full for me.
Speaker 4 (01:47:07):
You saying Paid in Full.
Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
For me.
We'll see what the chat sayssays we'll roll with whatever
the chat says.
Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
Do you want to know the truth?
Ag, at my core, I can't agreewith that because it takes a
nation of millions.
It's too important, I get it.
It's no, it's this is.
This is the one knock I'm goingto give on the short classic.
And when I mean the shortclassic, the paid in full, the
(01:47:34):
Illmatic, oh no, when somebodymakes a purple tape or it takes
a nation to millions, there'ssome trump card in the amount of
classic records that are made,and what I will tell you is that
Rakim's songs are morememorable on Paid in Full, but
he doesn't have as many.
What up?
How are you Food upstairs?
(01:47:56):
Daughter, just got home.
You know teenagers, cars, nodoubt I get it.
Speaker 3 (01:48:03):
I had that same conversation with somebody else,
I can't remember who it was onetime Coop.
We were talking about CubanLink versus Illmatic, and Cuban
Link would have a very goodargument against Illmatic
because, like you said, tomaintain that greatness over a
larger amount of tracks isharder to do.
But in that particularcomparison, though, it's a cheat
(01:48:25):
code because Raekwon had a ROMpartner in Ghostface, so it's
technically like a dual.
Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
The thing that makes Illmatic better than the purple
tape is the timeless theme Songfor song.
Purple tape is beating Illmatictoo.
That's why I have it at numbertwo, because if we're actually
talking objectively, if you'redoing what Jay-Z says at the end
of volume three, which is topull your CDs out and go song
for song, well nobody's beatingthe purple tape or it takes a
nation If you're just going songfor song.
Speaker 3 (01:48:54):
We might come across that match up here shortly.
We're going to see All right.
So y'all ready for it.
Speaker 4 (01:48:59):
What the chat got us yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
So this is what I mean Illmatic and Paid in Full.
Have the impact Purple and paidin full, have the impact Purple
Tape.
And it Takes a Nation ofMillions actually have the
classic songs.
Like 12 of them, like 12.
There are 12 classic records onit Takes a Nation of Millions.
No, no, no.
There's only one or two orthree rap albums that have 12
(01:49:24):
classic songs on them.
Guys, it Takes a Nation ofMillions is one of them.
The Purple Tape would be theother one.
The rest of the shit we canargue about.
Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
Those are the only two albums I know for certain
that have 12 classic songs onthem, but did it make it out
alive though Did it make it outalive in the chat what we got?
Speaker 4 (01:49:38):
It takes a million, got 62%, paid in full 37%.
Okay, so when I'm doing my list, I Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:49:45):
So when I'm doing my list I usually have these albums
right next to each other, but Iusually have it.
Takes a Nation One Step, allright.
Speaker 3 (01:49:52):
So we got our two qualifiers, so All Eyes on Me
gets in.
That's great.
Speaker 4 (01:49:58):
All.
Eyes on Me gets in thetournament Great qualifiers.
Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
All right, sean, you want to put up the graphic of
the main tournament.
Speaker 4 (01:50:12):
While I write these in real quick.
Is it sitting right here?
Speaker 3 (01:50:17):
AJ, yep, alright.
So I think we're ready for thereal deal, the main event.
Let's go.
Alright.
So we got.
This is around the 32, so wegot a lot more to go through Mad
Max if you don't think it takes.
Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
a nation of millions has 12 classic rap songs on it.
Speaker 3 (01:50:36):
you don't know shit All right, we're going to start
on one side of the bracket.
We got, like I said, to refreshy'all's memory, if it's got a
high seed it's because there wasone of the earliest albums to
get awarded five mics from thesource one of the earliest and
(01:50:57):
depending on when the albumdropped and when it was awarded
five mics, you know we went inchronological order so it was no
bias.
The lower seeds, like the 14sand 15s of the world, those are
the albums that either got afour and a half or four.
If you got a four, you got alower seed than the four and a
half, but they were they wereretroactively a great uh graded
(01:51:18):
on five mics.
So if you have any questions onthe seating, so let's get into
it.
So my album's about to getslaughtered?
Yeah, all right.
So on one side of the bracketwe got a number one seed
People's Instinctives by Tribeversus All Eyes on Me by Pop.
Speaker 1 (01:51:41):
Good night.
Good night, thank you forcoming out.
This has been Hip Hop Talks.
Speaker 4 (01:51:48):
Bible, my ass.
This is what I'm talking.
Hop talk Bible, my ass.
This is what I'm talking aboutBible, my ass.
Speaker 1 (01:51:51):
You didn't rate all eyes on me, but you gave people
the instinctive five mics.
You know what's controversial.
Speaker 3 (01:51:57):
I don't think that people's instinctives is their
second five mic album other thanlow end theory.
I think it's Midnight Marauders, and Midnight Marauders don't
have five correct.
Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
You know what they gave Midnight Marauders, right
no, it's not on here.
Speaker 3 (01:52:09):
They got people's instinctives.
Speaker 1 (01:52:10):
They're low in theory .
That's what I'm saying, butthey gave Midnight Marauders
four.
Speaker 3 (01:52:15):
Yeah, and they didn't correct that either.
They didn't go back and give itfive.
Speaker 1 (01:52:19):
They didn't go back and change it.
Okay, that is like giving Judasthe land instead of Abraham.
No Bible Land belong to Abraham, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
So next will be an easy round, but a controversial
round.
This is on the same side of thebracket.
We got a number eight seedTrill OG by Bun B, which a lot
of people don't feel like.
That should have been awardedfive mics but it actually got
five.
Not a five Versus a nine seeddeath certificate by Ice Cube.
Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
Death certificate, next one Moving on Next.
Speaker 1 (01:52:57):
Next.
Speaker 4 (01:52:58):
Trill.
Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
Burger and Bun B.
That was a Bun B, alright.
Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
That was easy, but this next round ain't so easy.
We got a number 5 seed LifeAfter Death, versus a number 12
seed Chronic 2001.
I'm going Life After Death.
Speaker 4 (01:53:25):
I gotta go.
Life After Death man.
Speaker 3 (01:53:28):
I hate to see Chronic 2001 go so early, though I'm
not as big on 2001, as everybodyelse is.
Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
It is a masterful production job.
The songs that are great areall-time great.
It's not the end-to-end playerthat Life After Death is the
highs are high.
Speaker 4 (01:53:47):
The highs are really really high.
Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
The highs are as high as you can go as you can go the
highs as high as you can goright.
Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
What's people saying in the chat?
What's the chat looking like?
Speaker 1 (01:53:55):
everybody's saying life after death life after
death that's what's up, yeah, weonly got one chronic 2001 yeah,
that's the most loving ass.
Speaker 3 (01:54:05):
Niggas too let's keep it moving.
On the same side of the bracketwe got a number four seed the
low-end theory by Tribe CalledQuest again versus a number 13
seed, doggy Style, whichoriginally was awarded four mics
.
That's why it's so low-seeded.
Speaker 1 (01:54:25):
Doggy Style's up against the low-end theory.
Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
Yeah, I'm going doggy style.
Speaker 1 (01:54:29):
I'm going to move my mic right quick because I'm
about to say some things at avery young age yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, I can see what he'ssaying.
Speaker 4 (01:54:38):
Coop's saying he like it doggy style in the low end.
That's what he's saying.
That's what he's saying.
Yo Coop is saying some nasty.
What was going on?
Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
Andrew texted me About this.
He was like yo man, that's acrazy matchup.
Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
Yeah so.
So In my opinion, these are twoof the ten best rap albums ever
made.
Speaker 3 (01:55:08):
Yeah, one's in the top five, and that would be
Doggystyle.
In my opinion, these are two ofthe 10 best rap albums ever
made, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:55:15):
One's in the top five , and that would be Doggystyle,
because if I'm making a top 10list, usually when I make my top
10 list, I do find the low-endtheory falling around 8, 9, or
10.
Usually 9 or 10.
And Doggystyle usually falls.
Speaker 4 (01:55:27):
That's tough.
Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
Like after the purple tape in Illmatic, like three,
four, five.
Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
You didn't say your vote yet, sean, but me and Coop
both agree doggy style.
So what you got?
I mean majority rules, but Igot doggy style.
Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
The people are saying low end.
The people are saying low endin the chat.
But that's the East Coast bias,y'all tripping.
Speaker 3 (01:55:49):
You're not tripping.
Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
Our panel of three all said doggy style, so you're
not tripping if you think thelow end theory is better than
doggy style.
You're just not right.
Like how about this?
The low end theory is one ofthe best production jobs in rap
history.
Doggy style might be the bestproduction job in rap history,
guys it's in contention.
(01:56:11):
It's in contention for the bestproduction job in rap history.
Like history, song wise, asmuch as I love the records on
low end theory, this is wherethis is where and I hate to say
it like this no, this is wherethe hit records do matter.
Say it like this no, this iswhere the hit records do matter.
It do because if the songs arecomparable, the albums are
(01:56:35):
comparable.
It's like, oh no, you're notabout to sit up there and look,
here we got the jazz.
Ain't beating fucking gin andjuice nigga.
I'm like no.
Speaker 4 (01:56:45):
That is not how this program works.
It's not.
Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
It's not how this program works.
It's not.
Speaker 4 (01:56:49):
It's not how this program works.
It's not.
Speaker 3 (01:56:53):
We all three were in agreement.
Nobody even pushed back on that.
I know the chat said low end,but we all three were in
agreement on that one.
Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
I'm still playing doggy style like I'm in eighth
grade.
What are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (01:57:06):
As you should.
This next round is tough,should this next round is tough.
Speaker 3 (01:57:11):
This next round is tough.
I know my answer, but it'sstill tough nonetheless.
We're still on the left side ofthe bracket.
We got a number 6 seed in theblueprint versus a number 11
seed in the infamous whichoriginally why is y'all laughing
(01:57:33):
, man?
You know my ass.
For those who don't know, theInfamous originally got four and
a half mics, but it's an 11seed against the Blueprint.
Speaker 1 (01:57:45):
We're aware.
We're aware of the four and ahalf mics.
Speaker 3 (01:57:47):
So I got the Infamous .
Sorry, the Blueprint has to golike this Early.
Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
First're aware.
Speaker 3 (01:57:48):
We're aware of the four and a half mics, so I got
the infamous.
Speaker 1 (01:57:50):
Sorry, the blueprint has to go like this Early First
round upset.
Early Good night.
Because this is what I mean.
So how about this?
This is what I mean when I'mtalking about how this shit goes
.
Oh no, the infamous is aborderline top ten rap album all
time to me.
Yeah, yeah For the JehovahWitness people that come after
(01:58:12):
me.
Speaker 3 (01:58:12):
This is just how the joint failed.
This is just how the matchupended up.
Man, glad they're going to belooking for your ass.
Speaker 4 (01:58:17):
I just put the poll up because I don't want no one
to say Sean is hitting on Jay.
I don't want any of that.
Speaker 1 (01:58:24):
So I just put the poll up, just in case man like
real talk there ain't a NewYorker walking around that
really thinks that the blueprintbetter than the infamous?
Don't nobody think?
That.
Speaker 3 (01:58:39):
Don't nobody think that it's a lot of people that
yeah, Nah, Coop, Nah.
Speaker 1 (01:58:43):
Coop.
Okay, how about this?
Those people, those peopledon't know shit.
That's what I mean.
Sometimes you got to let peopleknow who they are.
They be like, oh, you feel thatway.
It's like it's okay, you don'tknow shit, it's okay, we post
this on social media.
Speaker 4 (01:58:57):
We're going to have somebody that's going to do mad
shows on it.
Speaker 1 (01:59:03):
They're not doing shows and getting 12 views right
now.
Speaker 4 (01:59:06):
They're going to do Twitter fingers on it.
They're going to be like yo.
This is.
Speaker 1 (01:59:11):
They're going to take the fake following from
Facebook and multiply it by thefake following on Instagram and
then divide it by the fakefollowing on Twitter and try to
get 55 views.
Speaker 3 (01:59:21):
They're going to jump out the window without even
knowing the rubric.
They're going to look at theseedings like well, how do you
get these seedings?
Speaker 4 (01:59:30):
They're going to look at the seedings like, well, how
do you get these seedings?
They're going to say to meblueprint is better than
infamous.
Speaker 3 (01:59:32):
My bad EG.
Yeah, blueprint.
Nah, it's the infamous.
Did you even put a poll up?
Speaker 4 (01:59:38):
I did.
I'm sure it's what it was.
Speaker 1 (01:59:44):
Somebody deserves to get hit with a poll if they
think that the blueprint and theinfamous are comparable.
The infamous.
Has I Somebody's already hitwith a?
Poll if they think that theblueprint and SMS are comparable
.
Speaker 4 (01:59:51):
I mean, think about this it's 84%.
Infamous, okay, we can move on.
We can move on, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:59:57):
All right.
Speaker 4 (01:59:58):
That's three volts.
Give up the goods.
Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
Shook ones Q you hectic the fittest Like drink
away the pain Up north.
Trip Temperatures risingStarting.
Speaker 4 (02:00:14):
I like to thank the Blueprint for coming out.
Speaker 3 (02:00:16):
Good night.
This next one's pretty easy too.
So we got A number three seed.
Brand newbie and one for all.
One of the first albums Awardedfive mics.
It's not going anywhere.
What'd you say?
Brand newbie and one for allOne of the first albums, awarded
five mics.
Speaker 1 (02:00:31):
It's not going anywhere.
What'd you say?
It's going down.
You don't even got to read meanother album.
It's going down, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (02:00:36):
It's number 14 to Me Against the World by Pop Going
down, you're moving Down, goodnight.
Speaker 4 (02:00:45):
AG and everybody get mad tweets.
What's that?
Everybody get mad tweets.
What's that?
G-buddy get mad tweets tomorrowyou ain't no doubt, right.
Speaker 1 (02:00:53):
Well, hold on, hold on.
At least maybe they'll tweet atme instead of just stealing my
shit, your shit, ag's shit.
Maybe tweet at me and have aconversation with me before you
steal my shit.
Be like hey, I sold it to Coopafter we argued about it.
It's like okay, this like hey,I stole this from Coop after we
argued about it.
Speaker 3 (02:01:09):
It's like okay For those who don't know Me Against
the World got a four and itsoriginal rating got a four, mike
.
So we're still on the left sideof the bracket.
We got a number seven seed theFix, versus a number 10 seed 36
Chambers.
I hate to do it to face, butit's not a conversation.
Speaker 1 (02:01:29):
It's not a conversation you know I feel
about face.
It's not even a conversation.
Speaker 3 (02:01:33):
No Moving on this last round.
On the left side of the bracketI feel like it's just for Coop.
Speaker 1 (02:01:42):
It's all bad.
I already know what you'retalking about, because that's
the part of the bracket that Ilooked at.
I was like, yeah, I'm out onthis bullshit.
Speaker 3 (02:01:48):
We got a number two seed in Let the Rhythm Hit them
versus a number 15 seed inReasonable Doubt.
Give me Reasonable Doubt, man.
Y'all think we hate OJ until wedon't.
Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
It's Reasonable, doubt, it's Reasonable.
Speaker 4 (02:02:07):
Doubt, but that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:02:10):
That's what I'm talking about.
That's what I'm talking about.
You know what I mean.
If you just would have gave Jaythe five that he actually
earned earned we would be havingthese problems today what you
got, sean.
Bible.
Sure, this ain't the tour likethe first five.
Speaker 3 (02:02:24):
I'm going to make you say it.
Speaker 4 (02:02:27):
Reason without doubt.
Alright, he said it.
I'm going to make you say it.
Risen without a doubt, risenwithout a doubt?
Speaker 3 (02:02:31):
All right, he said it like mad low.
It was barely audible.
Speaker 1 (02:02:34):
No, I love Let the Rhythm Hit Him.
It's just, it's More thananybody More than anybody I love
.
Let the Rhythm Hit Him.
Speaker 3 (02:02:44):
It's one of my favorite.
Speaker 1 (02:02:44):
It's one of my personal favorite rap albums.
Nah, Rockhead was rapping hisass off on that album for
wrapping his ass off.
It might be his best lyricalalbum.
While you know, it is like Itell people lyrically for me,
like, let the rhythm hit them isonly superseded by it was
written and not by a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:03:02):
Yeah, yeah, those two we on the right side of the
bracket now.
So we got a number one seed inedutainment by Boogie Down
Productions and a 16 seed thatjust got in.
Takes a nation by PE.
Told you it's not going far,told you.
Speaker 1 (02:03:20):
It's not going far, yep, it's not going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (02:03:24):
So we got to take an agreement takes a nation, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:03:28):
It's their fourth best album versus Public Enemy's
first.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:03:34):
All right, moving on, we got an eighth seed.
We talked about this guyearlier Kanye West, my Beautiful
Dark Twisted Fantasy.
Fun fact, this was the lastalbum to get ranked five mics by
the source when it was inpublication.
The very last one.
Speaker 1 (02:03:52):
They got this right.
It's a five mic.
They got it right.
Speaker 3 (02:03:55):
Yes Versus the number nine.
Seed Breaking Atoms by MainSource, where Nasty Nas made his
first guest appearance.
Speaker 1 (02:04:03):
Give me my beautiful, dark, twisted fantasy.
I agree, what you got, seanQueens, get the money.
Of course you do.
Of course you do.
Are you for real?
Yeah, I'm sorry, are you forreal?
I will tell you this.
I will tell you this aboutBreaking Adams, though it's the
most underrated rap classicprior to 1992.
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Prior to Of all rap albums madebefore 1992, it's the most
underrated of all the classicrap albums made before 1992.
It's the most underrated of allthe classic rap albums before
them, in my opinion it doesn'tget it's due but my beautiful,
dark, twisted fantasy specialit's not moving on, sean, sorry.
Speaker 4 (02:04:47):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (02:04:48):
I feel like this next round is just for Coop.
We got a number 5 seed.
Speaker 1 (02:04:57):
Equimini.
Speaker 3 (02:04:59):
Okay, no, we're not there yet, equimini 5 seed by
OutKast versus Purple Tape byRaycon yeah, this was the one
that I read.
Speaker 1 (02:05:08):
Now, what Outkast versus Purple Tape by Rick Dorn
and 12th Street.
This was the one that I read.
That's the one.
Speaker 4 (02:05:14):
Now what yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:05:20):
Equimini is a masterful album Masterful.
Speaker 4 (02:05:22):
So here's, what.
Speaker 1 (02:05:23):
I tell you, equimini is one of the few rap albums
that competes with the PurpleTape, song for song.
And I'll tell you that when Ihad Equimini ranked higher than
the Purple Tape at some point,it was because of a couple of
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records that I felt like gaveEquimini a more full feel than
the purple tape, and that'sSpody, odie and Liberation.
Now, song for song, I'll tellyou there's not really a rap
album that's better than thepurple tape, but the content on
Equimini is actually better thanthe content on the purple tape.
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It may not be executed better,but the content's better.
The production's not better.
You say all that to say it'snot better.
It's the purple tape.
Just take the purple tape,leave me alone, don't want to
talk, I don't want to talk byfar.
Speaker 3 (02:06:23):
That was the toughest round in this first round.
For sure Not for me.
It's not for me.
I'm sorry, coop, I know youwanted to see your boys make it
further Hold on.
Speaker 1 (02:06:35):
Did they ever go back Hold on, hold on.
Is Southern Playalistic on here?
Did they go back and giveSouthern Playalistic five mics?
No, sir, okay, there'll be noBible over here, okay.
You know what?
There's going to be weeping andgnashing of teeth over here.
There'll be no hip hop bible.
Weeping and gnashing of teethlakes of hellfire.
He got a point lakes ofhellfire for the Leviathan.
Speaker 3 (02:07:00):
I feel like this next round is a buy in.
I mean, I feel like this nextround is a buy round.
But you know I ain't going tobe too disrespectful, but we got
a number 4 seed in Illmaticversus a 13 seed gripping on
that other level by the GhettoBoys.
No, don't do that.
Don't do that.
You are wild disrespectful, bro.
(02:07:21):
You are wild disrespectful.
What is wrong with this guy?
Speaker 4 (02:07:28):
My bad man, my bad, we're just going to take
Illmatic and keep it moving.
Speaker 1 (02:07:29):
I just said I wouldn't try to be disrespectful
.
What is wrong with this guy?
My bad man, my bad.
All right, we're just going totake Illmatic and keep it moving
.
Speaker 3 (02:07:34):
I just said I wouldn't try to be disrespectful
when he bust out laughing.
Speaker 1 (02:07:37):
You have to stop laughing at him.
Just go to the next.
Speaker 3 (02:07:40):
Jesus man, you can't take him nowhere.
All right, All right.
Now hear me out.
Hear me out.
Number six Stillmatic versusthe number 11 seed that
originally got four and a halfmics Ready to die.
Speaker 1 (02:07:59):
Ready to die.
Speaker 4 (02:08:00):
Yo man.
Speaker 1 (02:08:01):
I have to agree.
Speaker 4 (02:08:03):
Because the streets is a short stop.
Speaker 1 (02:08:05):
Either you sling and crack rock or you got a wicked
jump shot, shot.
Speaker 3 (02:08:09):
I have to agree, reddy does better than
Stillmatic, but not it was Rick.
It ain't better than stop that,sean.
It's not a conversation it'scloser than a lot of people want
to admit, like to think thefirst 10 tracks of Stillmatic is
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like a highlight reel thatnobody.
If he cut Stillmatic down toless tracks, it would slapbox
with Illmatic in a lot of levels.
Can we go to the polls?
But he didn't do that.
It won't win.
You can put it on the polls,but damn Pause.
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:08:48):
Do a hip-hop poll.
I put a lot of girls on pollsin my day, AG, Don't feel bad
you but Ready to.
Speaker 3 (02:08:54):
Die should win and it will win.
Speaker 4 (02:08:56):
Ready to Die should win this I don't know, man, we
have a Nas base man.
Speaker 3 (02:09:04):
I'm not doing this.
We're going to have to recountthe votes like Florida.
Hold on me and.
Speaker 1 (02:09:09):
AG already.
We're not doing this, we'regoing to have to recount the
votes like Florida Hold on Meand AG already picked, ready to
Die anyway, machine Gun FunkReady to.
Speaker 3 (02:09:13):
Die it's majority rules.
I have to be objective.
Nod my gob, I got to beobjective no we're not having
this conversation.
Speaker 1 (02:09:19):
Juicy's on Ready to Die.
Speaker 4 (02:09:22):
Even my skin, my goodness.
Speaker 3 (02:09:27):
It's Ready to Die.
Speaker 4 (02:09:28):
We're going to be ready to die.
Yeah, all right, yo Nas, Itried.
Speaker 3 (02:09:35):
We let Nas try.
Speaker 1 (02:09:38):
You got Illmatic.
Illmatic is still buggingaround.
Speaker 4 (02:09:42):
Let me see what it said.
Real quick, the chat has itjust that quick.
Y'all bugging too.
They got damn.
They got still mad at 61%,ready to die 38%.
I swear to you, I'm looking atit right now I swear to you.
Now how are?
Speaker 1 (02:10:01):
y'all going to talk about Kanye when y'all going to
sit up here and do some Kanyeshit?
Speaker 3 (02:10:05):
It's ready to die dog .
We can't do that.
Speaker 2 (02:10:07):
We can't be that biased.
It's ready to die.
Dog, we can't do that.
We can't be that biased it'sready to die.
Speaker 1 (02:10:11):
I'm not Chatting around with you.
It's ready to die.
I'm not arguing with you aboutthis shit.
Speaker 4 (02:10:17):
Go on socials and blast AGM.
Kufa Pitkin Ready to Die withStigmatic Believe me.
Speaker 3 (02:10:24):
I tried to stir it.
I'm already going to getblasted.
I came up with the Rubik forthe bracket.
Speaker 4 (02:10:28):
They ain't going to hate on me anyway All right.
Speaker 3 (02:10:34):
This next one is kind of interesting.
I know my answer, I know Coop'sanswer, but it's kind of
interesting.
Round we got a number threeseed De La Sola's dead versus a
14 seed Scarface the Diary whichoriginally got four mics.
I'm going to Diary.
Speaker 1 (02:10:51):
I'm going to Diary, I'm going to Diary Love, the
Diary Personal favorites whenyou roll into your motherfucking
hood.
Tell me what you see.
Speaker 3 (02:11:03):
This is another buy round.
I feel we got a number sevenseed, a controversial album that
was awarded five mics in realtime.
The naked truth, by little kimversus a number 10 way bigger,
versus a number 10 seed thatoriginally got four and a half
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mics, is the chronic.
So okay.
Speaker 1 (02:11:28):
First of all, the chronic is blowing this album
out of the water, yes, but Ididn't necessarily agree with
the naked truth by Kim gettingfive mics.
But it is a great album.
Here's my complaint.
Here's my complaint.
Speaker 3 (02:11:42):
It's not great.
The album is great.
It is a great album.
But here's my complaint.
Speaker 1 (02:11:50):
I think LaBellaia is a far superior album to the
Naked Truth.
I think they're comparable.
I think La Bella Mafia isslightly better, but this is why
I tell people Kim is number oneon my list.
It's like oh no, kim gotHardcore.
The Naked Truth, la Bella Mafia, the Notorious KIM.
Speaker 3 (02:12:02):
Calla Long Dog.
The Junior Mafia album isreally like you know because
she's like, you know, that is ahighlight reel.
Speaker 1 (02:12:08):
Lil' Kim on the Junior Mafia album is a
highlight reel, SportsCenter Top10.
Speaker 3 (02:12:14):
Not to mention her feature run Highlight reel.
I like this next round.
It's a weird matchup but I likeit.
We got and this is the last oneon this side of the bracket we
got a number two seed inAmerica's Most Wanted by Ice
Cube, versus a number 15 seedthat originally got four mics.
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Oh Lord.
Speaker 1 (02:12:39):
The score by the Fugees.
Oh no, Give me America's Most.
I'm taking Cube as well.
Give me America's Most, whatyou got.
Speaker 3 (02:12:47):
Sean America's Most.
Speaker 4 (02:12:51):
Gang, gang, fool, fool Score.
Got hot hot.
Speaker 3 (02:12:54):
The fillers are not Yo, this is mad fun.
This is where it's going to geta little interesting.
It's going to get a littlecrazy.
So we at our sweet 16 Now.
So we at our sweet 16.
Alright, to the left side ofthe bracket.
We got all eyes on me.
Versus death certificate.
Speaker 4 (02:13:16):
Damn, Damn.
Let me go to the.
I go to the poll automatic.
Speaker 3 (02:13:23):
Nah, because y'all, y'all, some cowards, man.
Y'all ain't saying the truth.
Speaker 1 (02:13:27):
I'm going to tell you the truth.
I'm going to tell you the truth.
Speaker 4 (02:13:31):
He said death certificate right.
For me, it's death certificate.
Speaker 1 (02:13:38):
How about this?
I think Tupac is greater alltime than Ice Cube what?
But there have been very fewrappers that have been as great
for one album that Ice Cube ison Death Certificate and as much
as I love pop, as much as Ilove Pop, pies on me and I even
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think the production genre isbetter, I even think the songs
are bigger.
Death Certificate is a momentfor a rapper that very few
rappers has had and I'm takingDeath Certificate.
I'm taking the moment because Ithink Ice Cube's Top 10 MC
moment is Death Certificate.
Speaker 3 (02:14:18):
Death Certificate don't get enough love.
In my opinion it doesn't.
It's one of the best albumsever made.
Speaker 1 (02:14:24):
Right, how about this ?
Death Certificate is betterthan Good Kid Mad City?
Yeah, in my opinion, yeah,death certificate is only a half
a step down from doggy styleand the chronic, in my opinion,
guys.
And so, although I think alleyes on me is comparable and
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deserve and you can go eitherway when he doing shit like a
bird in hand, just the way thathe just broke it down so quick
and it was just in and out, it'slike oh no you listening to a
guy that, at the time that hewas rapping, listen to what I'm
about to say, and this issomething that Tupac never
really got.
Whether it's fair or not, oh no,when Ice Cream is rapping on
Death Certificate, you feel likeyou were listening to the
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greatest MC of all time.
At that moment in time, it wasarguable that he was.
Speaker 3 (02:15:09):
He definitely was Give me that he could slapbox
with Rakim if it came down to it.
Speaker 1 (02:15:14):
Because in 1993, if you told me Ice Cube was the
greatest emcee that ever livedyou wasn't saying some crazy
shit.
Speaker 3 (02:15:21):
No, he was.
To me he was because I didn'tknow who Nas was in 93.
To me Ice Cube was the bestrapper walking planet Earth in
92.
Speaker 1 (02:15:31):
And I do believe he had a three-year stretch where
he was the best rapper alive,and not too many rappers have
had a three-year run in a rowwhere it's like this nigga is
the best rapper alive and he didhave a three-year stretch like
that.
Speaker 3 (02:15:41):
Yeah, so you with Death Certificate too, sean.
Speaker 4 (02:15:45):
I'm gonna look at the poll real quick.
Speaker 1 (02:15:47):
The poll's probably going to pick all eyes on me
slightly, but that's more aboutPac yeah the poll is not too far
.
Speaker 4 (02:15:55):
The poll's got 54%, all eyes on me 45% death
certificate.
Speaker 1 (02:16:02):
Cube is different on death certificate and this is
what I mean.
He's every bit the gangsterthat he is on straight out of
compton in america's most, buthe's focused and concise the way
kendrick is on to pimp abutterfly.
But it's gangster and you canride to it.
As a matter of fact, when Ithink about it, to pimp a
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butterfly is actually the modernday death certificate in a lot
of ways.
You just can't ride to it.
That's the problem.
Speaker 3 (02:16:38):
I've heard people say it's the modern day.
It takes a nation, but I seewhere you're going.
Speaker 1 (02:16:44):
I'm speaking because he's a Cali nigga.
Because that's the thing withdeath certificates I got you you
can still ride to DeathCertificate, while Ice Cube is
giving you all of thesesocioeconomic commentary and
macro themes, like the Koreangrocery store in the
neighborhood, the bird in hand,the nigga working for McDonald's
and end up pushing weight.
Oh no, he's giving you theTopempo Butterfly untitled
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commentary.
It's way more fun than both ofthose albums could ever pray to
be.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:17:11):
But we gotta be fair.
Like, what are we doing?
Are we moving Death Certificateon?
Or?
It depends on your vote, Sean,because the chat said All Eyes
on Me.
Me and Coop said DeathCertificate.
If you go All Eyes on Me, wemight have to like put it in the
chat again.
Speaker 4 (02:17:26):
No, I said Death Certificate, you did you said
Death Certificate Okay.
The album is too important man.
The album is too important, nomatter what song you were on,
you were an Ice Cube fan in 1993.
If you were a hip-hop fan, youwere an Ice Cube fan in 1993.
Speaker 3 (02:17:41):
That was a tough round, though that was a tough
round.
Speaker 1 (02:17:44):
Yeah, I hate it.
It's tough.
He's so special on DeathCertificate.
Speaker 3 (02:17:55):
We got another great double album up.
We got Life After Death versusDoggy Style.
Speaker 1 (02:18:01):
Oh, that's Doggy Style.
Here's what it is.
You want to know what it is?
Death Certificate is a top 10mic performance.
All time guys, that's what Iwas trying to say, Death
Certificate is a top 10 micperformance all time guys.
That's what I was trying to say.
That's the top 10 micperformance it checks every box.
Speaker 3 (02:18:13):
I don't like how disrespectful you said that's
doggy style, but by the way it'sdoggy style.
I don't even know why we'retalking about this.
Speaker 1 (02:18:23):
Life after death starts off with being wanting to
sell records like two.
Speaker 3 (02:18:26):
We're not having this conversation.
Nah, it's doggy style thatstarts off with Big wanting to
sell records like Snoop.
Speaker 1 (02:18:28):
We're not having this conversation.
How about Snoop?
Yeah, nah.
Speaker 3 (02:18:30):
Nah, it's doggy style , Kool.
I mean Sean, you object, I gotdoggy style yeah you don't sound
too sure I mean it's hard tobeat Doggystyle it's hard,
that's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (02:18:47):
That's a tough one being said himself records like
Snoop oops like.
Speaker 3 (02:18:52):
I mean, it's a tough one.
Yeah, I'll be interested to seewhat the chat's saying, but all
I'm saying look here, I shouldhave said this before we started
barring some sort of miss thatDog.
Speaker 1 (02:19:00):
I'd be interested to see what the chat's saying.
All I'm saying look here.
I should have said this beforewe started Barnes, some sort of
mishap Doggy style, probablygoing to the final.
Barnes, some sort of mishapguys Fuck people talking about
yeah, dog style is like it'slike that.
We about to have some realtough conversations when we get
to this last eight.
Speaker 4 (02:19:16):
And they have to be honest conversations.
A lot of people we're notchasing, we're not clickbaiting
or anything like that.
You got to be honest.
Speaker 1 (02:19:24):
I mean not to be funny.
It's like life after death isfull of big moments.
Those moments aren't as big asthe moments on Doggystyle.
They're not.
I'm sorry, they're not, they'renot Hypnotize, hypnotize and
fucking you tonight.
More money, more problems.
That is not doggy dog word andwhat's my name?
Speaker 3 (02:19:42):
it's not to your point, coop.
You alluded to this on theTupac all eyes on me versus
death certificate or ice cube.
A lot of times when doing theserankings, people will put the
weight on who the MC is versusthe one particular body of work.
You know what I'm saying.
Instead of talking about lifeafter death versus doggy style,
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they say well, big is betteremcee than you know, snoopy is
all the time.
Speaker 1 (02:20:08):
So he is, and I think life after death is the third
best mic performance lyricallyever on record, after but you
gotta be able tocompartmentalize.
And you have to be objectiveabout what the content is doing.
So let's go back to DeathCertificate right, quick.
Oh no.
Ice Cube is gangsta andconscious on here.
There are themes on here.
So as much as I love Big'sstruggle and we're starting to
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notice this there's somebreaking points with some things
.
Subject matter what's thesubject matter on Life After
Death?
Like Now go listen's thesubject matter on Life After
Death?
Like Now go listen to thesubject matter on Death
Certificate and understand thatCube is doing all the gangsta
shit Big's doing on Life AfterDeath and Big is doing none of
the social commentary that Cubeis doing on Death Certificate.
And those things are separatingthings, especially when you're
going against an album likeDoggystyle, which Life After
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Death is essentially made in thevein of.
Except for Doggy Style's donebetter and bigger, the
production is better.
It's crazy to see theproduction better.
Speaker 3 (02:21:04):
The songs are better.
Speaker 4 (02:21:06):
And they smoked it 75% to 25%.
Speaker 1 (02:21:10):
So the mic performance, you know what I
mean.
The mic performance is onething.
That's what I mean about, oh no, ice Cube's special on Death
Certificate, the way very fewMCs have been on record because
he, to quote Common, is slingingSt Ives and bean pies in the
same sentence.
Successfully, successfully onDeath Certificate, successfully
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slinging St Ives and bean piesSuccessfully.
Speaker 3 (02:21:32):
Alright, we still on the left side of the bracket.
We got the Battle of 1995.
We got the Infamous.
Infamous versus Me.
Got the infamous Don't do this.
Infamous versus me against theworld.
Speaker 1 (02:21:43):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (02:21:45):
I'm going infamous man.
I love Pac, but I'm goinginfamous.
Speaker 4 (02:21:49):
You know I'm going infamous.
Speaker 1 (02:21:52):
I am too, and this is where Pac's catalog does get
hurt, because his most classicstuff isn't as classic as other
people's most classic stuff.
The songs are the albumsometimes.
Speaker 3 (02:22:06):
Remember what I told you the loophole and the verses
would be the production, andthis is the difference maker
here.
Speaker 1 (02:22:13):
Yes, because of the production on Me Against the
World.
How about this?
Me Against the World isprobably the third best rap
album in 1995.
Third, though, because PurpleTape would be number one and the
Infamous would be number two.
Speaker 3 (02:22:28):
You're forgetting about Lakeland Sores, though.
Speaker 1 (02:22:34):
I can't.
I've always argued about that.
That's personal preference overobjectivity, I think, because
that goes back to oh no, is theGenius the better rapper than
Tupac, like on some bar shit.
Oh well, we already know, that.
But it's like, oh no, JZA can'tdo so many tears and Dear Mama,
and If I Die Tonight and DeathAround the Corner.
Speaker 3 (02:22:54):
To your point, me Against the World makes Liquid
Sword sound niche.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (02:23:01):
It makes it sound like he has a specialty.
Speaker 4 (02:23:04):
It does.
Speaker 1 (02:23:05):
It does.
I would argue with you until Itell you that 95 is a special
year.
Speaker 4 (02:23:11):
It's a sleeper year.
We don't talk about it.
Speaker 1 (02:23:17):
I tell people, for me personally, I think 95 is the
third best rap year.
Enough, I tell people I meanfor me personally, I think 95 is
the third best rap year ever.
I think it goes 96, 88, 95 inmy opinion 95 sets up a lot of
stuff for 96.
In 96, yes 95 sets 96 up forthe success that it has Sets it
up.
Speaker 4 (02:23:37):
Nice.
You got to set the game up in96 because of 95.
Right, yeah, oh no.
Speaker 3 (02:23:43):
There'll be no more of that bullshit.
This next round is for you,sean.
Oh boy.
You got 36 chambers versusreasonable doubt.
Speaker 4 (02:23:56):
You know I'm going with that man.
Come on, don't do this, that'snot for me, it's a conversation,
though it's a conversation tobe had.
Speaker 3 (02:24:04):
It's 36, but it's a conversation.
Speaker 1 (02:24:07):
Actually, honestly, ag, I don't think it's a
conversation, because I thinkInto the Wu-Tang is a top 10 rap
album and I think ReasonableDoubt at its best is top 20.
I think there the Wu-Tang is atop 10 rap album and I think
Reasonable Doubt at its best istop 20.
I think there is a separation,that's fair.
Speaker 4 (02:24:24):
That's fair.
That's the group.
I know that's the group.
I know that's how you shootFrom now on.
That's how you shoot.
That's how you drive.
That's how you drive.
Speaker 1 (02:24:37):
From now on.
That's how you drive, becausethink about it, it's.
Think about it, like, like andI'm not trying to disrespect
reasonable doubt at all.
Think about the records on intothe 36 chambers, like.
Think about this, it's like.
First of all, if anybody thinksthat it's close and let's say
that it is close well, creamwould be your tiebreaker
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separated.
Yeah it's too groundbreaking ofan album protect your neck
that's what I'm saying protectyour neck and Cream are on into
the Wu-Tang.
As far as singles go, you'dhave to go to probably the
greatest adventures of SlickRick or Paid in Full to find a
project with two moregroundbreaking records on one
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album.
It it's got cream and Protectyour Neck on there, guys.
Can it all be so simple?
Wu-tang Clan ain't nothing tofuck with.
Method man Chess Boxing.
Shame on a Nigga.
It's too much.
It's too much.
Shame on a nigga that thoughtReasonable Doubt was better.
Shame on a nigga that tried torun game on a nigga.
Speaker 3 (02:25:40):
It's about to still get interesting.
This round's not pretty easy,though we're on the other side
of the bracket.
We got takes the Nation ofMillions by PE versus Kanye, my
Beautiful, dark, twisted Fantasy.
We know what it is.
Speaker 1 (02:25:52):
Hold on real quick.
Clan in the front.
Let your feet stomp, Niggas onthe left.
Ragshets to death.
Hood for the night, wild forthe night.
Thugs in the back, come on andattack.
The woo is coming through.
The outcome is critical.
Fucking with my style is sortof like a no, no, no, no, you
ain't fucking with that.
That might be the six or sevenbest record on there.
He's going bananas on there.
Speaker 4 (02:26:15):
He's going berserk.
Speaker 1 (02:26:21):
He's going berserk on that Clan in the Front.
Think about it Clan in theFront is on the back end of the
classic songs on the album.
Speaker 3 (02:26:25):
Nah, you're right, clan in the Front.
So we in agreement.
Takes the nation over DarkTwisted Fantasy.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:26:34):
As much as here's what I'm saying again why?
Don't you take a deep breath,bro?
Speaker 3 (02:26:38):
It might be the best rap album, just because it's the
best rap album arguably in thelast 15 years.
Speaker 1 (02:26:45):
This is what I mean.
It takes a nation a million isa top 5 rap album all time, to
this day to this day.
It's a top 5 rap album alrightget ready to lose y'all shit.
Speaker 3 (02:26:57):
Cuban links vs Illmatic react.
It's a top rap album.
It's a trailblazer.
Get ready to lose your shit.
Cuban Lynx versus IllmaticReact.
Speaker 1 (02:27:04):
I know what was happening.
Speaker 4 (02:27:07):
No, we don't do that.
Speaker 3 (02:27:08):
I know what was happening, we got to go there I
know what was happening.
We got to go there.
To me, this is the number oneand number two hip-hop albums of
all time.
For me personally, I gotIllmatic at one and Cuban Link's
at two, so I have to give theedge to Illmatic, but barely
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yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:27:30):
I got to go with Illmatic man.
Speaker 3 (02:27:32):
I hate to do it to Cuban Link.
Cuban Link, I love Cuban Linkfrom my own heart, but Illmatic
is just so perfect.
And see, and that's what we do,because that could go either
way, because that 10 tracks isso perfect.
But then, coop, you use that toform an argument against it.
Because you know I'm sayingCuban Link is greater over a
(02:27:53):
longer period but sometimes lessis more.
Like Illmatic is uncut, rawdope, not stepped on at all raw
dope, so let's not step on atall.
Speaker 1 (02:28:03):
So let's look at it like this Okay, so a lot of
people let's say Illmatic haseight flawless records.
I think a lot of people talkabout one time.
For your mind, it's likethere's a weak point of the
album.
That's the weak point.
So let's say you have eightflawless records, right?
Well, the problem for Illmaticagainst the purple tape is is
(02:28:26):
that, well, I can give you eightflawless records on there Yep,
and I give you four more, yep.
That would be the problem.
Yes and so and so.
This is what I always said.
I always told people it's likeoh no, illmatic is better about
the timeless themes and aboutthe time capsule of a record.
(02:28:48):
It is because what Illmaticreally is is a micro cosm, I'm
sorry, a macro cosm of hip-hopfrom 86 to 93.
It's a time capsule piece.
It's a time capsule piece.
It's a timeless entry piece,song for song.
It's not better than the purpletape because it doesn't have
enough songs to compete.
Speaker 3 (02:29:09):
But in a vacuum.
Let me push back on thatsentiment, because do you think
any song on purple tape isbetter than New York State of
Mind?
Just one song.
Any one song better than NewYork state of mind, Just one
song any one song.
Speaker 1 (02:29:24):
Okay, so no, but have .
How about this?
There are more songs that areNew York state of mind level on
the purple tape.
Speaker 3 (02:29:36):
Then there are New York state of mind level songs
on Illmatic would be, I meanwe're talking about quantity,
but if we're really busting itdown like is there a song better
than the World Is Yours, onTupeling.
Speaker 1 (02:29:48):
Yes, what song would you say?
I mean I hate?
Okay, so, as much as I lovePete Rock, the beat to
Incarcerated Scarface is betterthan the beat to the world is
yours to me.
Speaker 3 (02:29:57):
Do you think it ranks all time higher?
And the pantheon of hip hopsongs?
I think they're very.
I think.
Speaker 1 (02:30:03):
I think they're very comparable with where they rank.
And so I tell you, incarceratedscar faces gives the world is
yours.
Run for money.
And and I would tell you andthis is what I mean about the
purple tape being so special,it's like well, here's my
question to you what doesIllmatic have?
That's fucking with a Glaciersof Ice or a Guillotine or
Gambino's.
Speaker 3 (02:30:23):
That's the problem.
I'm glad you said that.
When they do that, wu-tang shithow about this?
Speaker 1 (02:30:31):
when Wu-Tang does Wu-Tang shit.
That is the ultimate cheat codein the history of hip hop.
Speaker 2 (02:30:37):
Because of the posse cuts.
Yeah, so Nas and Illmatic ain'tthe cheat code in the history
of hip-hop.
Because the posse cuts.
Yeah, the posse cuts on therecord.
Speaker 1 (02:30:40):
Nas and Illmatic ain't the cheat code Wu-Tang,
when Wu-Tang do Wu-Tang, shit isthe cheat code and never have
they done Wu-Tang shit like theydid it on the purple tape.
Speaker 3 (02:30:49):
But let me ask you this it very much is a
conversation and the combinationof Ray and Ghost, as dope as it
is, would you put any song?
Speaker 1 (02:31:02):
with Just them 2 over Life's a Bitch With Just them 2
?
Yeah, rainy Days would be theLife's a Bitch on the album, and
I don't think it's better thanLife's a Bitch, so I'll tell you
that?
Speaker 4 (02:31:10):
That's a great comparison.
Speaker 1 (02:31:12):
Rainy Days is the Life's a Bitch on the Purple
Tape.
But also, too, I'll tell youthis Rainy Days was my when I
first heard the Purple Tape.
It was my favorite record Right, because it was that life's a
bitch like Nas and AZ type ofmoment on there.
It's just not as good.
So I give you that.
Speaker 3 (02:31:29):
And this doesn't have nothing to do with Illmatic, so
to speak, but if I'm just beingpetty, as great as Cuba Links
is who has the best verse on allof Cuba Links' albums?
Speaker 1 (02:31:39):
Oh no, I'm not taking that away.
I always tell people part ofwhy you could really argue about
the purple tape being betterthan Illmatic is that you could
argue that the best versebetween the two albums belongs
to Nas.
But on.
Ray's album.
Right.
You could say that Right, youcan legitimately say well, the
best verse was on the purpletape.
Speaker 3 (02:32:00):
The best verse is on the purple tape.
I think it's two verses thatslap boxing with the verbal
intercourse verse by memory lane, Second verse of memory lane
and first verse of New YorkState of Mind.
And not for nothing AZ's verseon Life's a Bitch 2 mind.
Speaker 1 (02:32:19):
and not for nothing az's verse on life's a bitch too
I will tell you, though I willtell you both the verses on
life's a bitch are in thatcategory too.
Speaker 3 (02:32:24):
I think those are the one and two best features of
all time, I think verbalintercourse.
Number one life's a bitch.
Number two for me?
Speaker 1 (02:32:31):
no, okay, but this is what I mean.
How about this, you, okay?
So I think spot rushers isbetter than Represent.
That's why this is aconversation for me.
I think, how about this?
As much as I love, as much as Ilove One Love, oh no, glaciers
of Ice is better than One Love.
Speaker 3 (02:32:50):
Yeah, it is which album do you think has the
better writing?
Illmatic.
Speaker 1 (02:32:58):
Illmatic has, the better.
We're talking about writingpros, like as a writer.
Speaker 4 (02:33:04):
Illmatic is in that death certificate criminal
production production I'm givingto the purple tape yes, and
that's why we hold it high,because of the production.
Speaker 1 (02:33:16):
I mean to be honest with you.
I mean for me personally.
I think the purple tape is thebest produced product in rap
history.
Speaker 3 (02:33:24):
It's one producer versus a team of supertapes.
Speaker 1 (02:33:29):
If I was picking best production jobs in rap history
in order, I would go purple tape, doggy style in that order as
far as production jobs.
Speaker 3 (02:33:39):
So what are we doing here?
Which one are we advancing?
Speaker 4 (02:33:42):
You got to go Illmatic, because I still think
that you're talking about oneagainst.
Speaker 1 (02:33:46):
You want to know what I'm going to tell you what I
always forgot, what mytiebreaker is, and this is my
tiebreaker.
The degree of difficulty washarder for Nas because it was
just yeah, that's what I saidearlier, because Ray had ghosts.
Speaker 3 (02:33:59):
Ray had ghosts.
No, it was just that's what I'msaying, that's what I said
earlier.
Because Ray had ghosts.
Speaker 4 (02:34:02):
Ray had ghosts no this is what I mean.
Ray had the Wu-Tang in primeform doing Wu-Tang shit he had
RZA doing RZA shit.
Speaker 1 (02:34:08):
He had JZA doing JZA shit he had.
Inspector Deck doing InspectorDeck shit.
Method man is doing Method manshit.
You get what I'm saying?
No, they are doing Wu-Tang shiton the Purple Tent.
It is literally a handbook inWu-Tang rhyming.
Speaker 3 (02:34:24):
Yeah, here's the caveat.
Ray already has reps in becausehe did the 36th album.
This is Nas' debut.
Speaker 4 (02:34:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:34:32):
Ray, actually, to be honest with you, this is what I
keep telling people about Ray.
It's like no, ray's the onlyguy on.
Enter the Wu-Tang, it's a cow.
And Return to the 36 Chambers.
Hello, Hello.
Speaker 3 (02:34:45):
And I was younger too .
That's another caveat.
Speaker 1 (02:34:47):
Ray's on the first three albums.
Speaker 3 (02:34:49):
He's the only person that you hear on all first three
Wu projects.
That was a tough round To me.
That's my personal finals.
That right, there is mypersonal final.
That's a tough one.
Next round this is a tough onetoo.
But you know, ready to dieversus the diary, gotta go ready
to die, ready to die, youtaking the diary.
Speaker 4 (02:35:12):
I am.
Speaker 3 (02:35:13):
Wow, I know it's close, but I'm kind of shocked.
What'd you say, sean?
I got ready to die.
Y'all want to pull that one ormove on?
I did.
Speaker 1 (02:35:26):
Because to me the diary is ready to die south.
Speaker 3 (02:35:30):
I definitely see that , I definitely see that.
Speaker 1 (02:35:32):
Think about it.
It's like no, no, no Thingsdone changed and Jesus is the
same record.
Never seen a man die ineveryday stroke.
You know what I'm saying?
Like oh, no, no, the records belining up.
It's some of my favorite shit.
Speaker 3 (02:35:46):
I gotta take that to your ass.
Speaker 1 (02:35:49):
Hit the motherfucking floor.
I think objectively ready todie rings higher all the time I
told you man Scarface used toscare me when I was a kid, like
when the white sheet come on andit go and it go.
He the little interlude and itgoes, boo, boo, boo.
He'd tell myself, is this niggadead?
Yet he's like no, no, no, Idon't think he's dead.
I'm trying to go bust thisbitch again.
I was like oh shit.
I was like what the fuck goingon?
(02:36:11):
It's a rap album.
Speaker 4 (02:36:12):
I was like you can't swinging a lot man.
Speaker 1 (02:36:17):
The Diary's up there, dude the Diary.
How about this?
I didn't realize as asoutherner that swore by the
Diary my whole life, how much itwasn't a classic in other areas
until I moved to Cali.
When I moved to Cali, niggashadn't heard the Diary by
Scarface.
I was looking at the gangsterslike they was crazy.
By the way, looking atgangsters crazy in Cali gets you
(02:36:39):
shot.
Don't do what Coop does, by theway, that gets you shot.
But I was looking at niggaslike they was crazy.
Niggas stole my diary CD, bythe way.
Never look at niggas crazy andCali about shit.
Like that but niggas and Caliwasn't even up on the diary like
that.
Speaker 4 (02:36:52):
I'm like riding to this you know I mean, but no,
not a lot of people knew aboutthis diary like that.
Speaker 3 (02:37:06):
So you know, if I end it right here, the diary 54,
ready to die, 46 diaries likethat man yo, we gonna have to
come up with a tiebreaker then,because me and sean said ready
to die and then coop in the chatsay the diary.
Speaker 4 (02:37:19):
I think the chat what should be?
The tiebreaker, because I'lltell you, let's run it again.
Speaker 1 (02:37:25):
Because if tiebreaker is best song, I got Never Seen
a man Die.
Speaker 4 (02:37:29):
Shit.
Now it's at Hold up.
We got 41 votes.
Speaker 1 (02:37:33):
Give me that diary.
Give me that diary over Readyto Die.
I knew there'd be an upset inthe bracket.
Give it here.
Speaker 4 (02:37:38):
Give up the goods Ready to Die.
Speaker 1 (02:37:40):
Just hit the lead Give up the goods and get free.
Speaker 4 (02:37:42):
Oh, you hadn't stopped it yet.
I haven't stopped it yet.
It's at 41 votes right now.
51% Ready to Die.
49% the Diary.
I got lots of.
Speaker 3 (02:37:53):
Let's give it another minute and see where it goes.
Speaker 4 (02:37:54):
Wherever it lands that's what we're carrying on,
that's what we carried on.
This might be the mostcontroversial round.
I think this one is because itjust flipped over to ready to
die again, and that's 44 votes.
Speaker 3 (02:38:06):
Alright.
When our clock gets to, youknow, 2 hours 39 minutes, that's
when we call it Alright.
This is interesting, I didn'tsee this going this way.
Speaker 1 (02:38:19):
Diary special think about this ice cubes on the
diary hand of the dead body.
The only guest appearance isice cube yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (02:38:29):
I've been somebody who doesn't hold ready to die as
high as most, but I still pickready to die and I love face man
you want me to call it no, no,no we got 20 seconds.
Speaker 1 (02:38:41):
We got 20 seconds.
All right, taking all thesevotes, I want the diary to win.
Speaker 4 (02:38:45):
Face mobbed.
Speaker 3 (02:38:47):
We have 47 votes right now 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4,
3, 2, 1.
Speaker 4 (02:38:59):
Call it All right, it's 54 to 46.
Ready to die?
Speaker 3 (02:39:04):
All right, ready to die?
Moves on, that wasnerve-wracking.
Speaker 4 (02:39:10):
Yeah, that's 50 votes and they still voting 53 to 47
right now.
So if I end it right here, it'sready to die 53 to 47.
All right, we got to move it on.
Speaker 3 (02:39:20):
Sorry, coop, you fought.
I end it right here.
It's ready to die 53 to 47.
We got to move it on.
Sorry, coop, you fought hardfor it, though I respect it.
I did what I could.
I respect it.
Speaker 1 (02:39:31):
White Sheep is one of the most underrated rap songs
to start off a rap album in raphistory.
Speaker 3 (02:39:34):
Tough.
Next we got this, the last oneon this side of the bracket.
We got the Chronic versusAmerica's Most Wanted.
It's the Chronic for me.
Speaker 4 (02:39:45):
It's the Chronic.
Speaker 3 (02:39:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:39:47):
Chronic.
Speaker 3 (02:39:48):
All right, so we are down to our Elite Eight.
That's where it getsinteresting.
All right Back to the left sideof the bracket.
We got Death Certificate versusDoggy Style and, I'm sorry, ice
Cube.
Speaker 1 (02:40:01):
I'd like to apologize .
Ice Cube no.
Speaker 4 (02:40:04):
Doggy Style's hard to get you here.
Speaker 1 (02:40:05):
Look, we fought so hard to get you here, player.
Yeah, I'm sorry, cube, here'sthe final four, see, but Death
Certificate, here's what I like.
I like the way that you didthis bracket AG because it gives
us even though some albums,like the Purple Tape, are losing
out.
We have waxed poetic about thePurple Tape countless times.
We have not waxed poetic aboutDeath Certificate countless
(02:40:25):
times.
So even getting to get see.
Part of why I like this iswe're getting a chance to like,
give a breakdown and talk aboutmaybe some albums that are
classic, that aren't getting therespect on their name that they
deserve.
Death Certificate would be oneof those.
Their name that they deservedeath certificate would be one
of those.
Yeah, like, death certificatedeserves to be next to
reasonable doubt and doggy style, chronic and illmatic and yeah
(02:40:46):
so let's go.
Speaker 3 (02:40:46):
Let's go back to the original point.
Death certificate was a lowseed and it started out as a
non-seed and it was rated fourand a half in the source.
It's not even an original ratedfive mic album.
So that goes to your point.
Coop the fours and fours and ahalf in the source.
It's not even an original ratedfive mic album.
So that goes to your point.
Coop, the fours and fours and ahalf are, you know what I'm
saying, the cream of the crop onthis list.
You know what I'm saying?
(02:41:07):
It's just like the real NCAAtournament.
Upsets can happen, butunfortunately it met its end to
Doggy Style All right this nextone of fact.
Speaker 1 (02:41:18):
Here's really what we're finding out too, and I'm
glad that it's happening thatway.
If you told me that DeathCertificate was the third best
West Coast rap album of all time, I wouldn't argue with you,
right?
I think it is.
It probably is right, unlessyou count.
Speaker 3 (02:41:33):
Straight Outta Compton like.
Speaker 1 (02:41:36):
For me it's between Straight Outta Compton and Death
Certificate, and America's MostWanted by Ice Cube.
He is actually the holder oftwo of the five best West Coast
rap albums of all time.
Speaker 3 (02:41:46):
That's insane.
And that ain't even Count andKill at will.
That's insane, bro, and hold on, hold, on, hold on.
Speaker 1 (02:41:52):
And he's the main author of another top five West
Coast albums Straight OuttaCompton.
Three of your five best WestCoast albums have Ice Cube's pin
all over them.
Speaker 3 (02:42:01):
That's insane.
This next round is tough, but Iknow my answer.
We got the Infamous versus 36Chambers.
Speaker 4 (02:42:14):
I might have put in the poll.
Speaker 3 (02:42:16):
You know I'm going to go with it, paul, because you
queens, get the money, sean, butthe answer is 36, bro.
Speaker 4 (02:42:20):
It is 36.
I mean at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (02:42:23):
It's not as easy as you think, because what I will
tell you is that when I say thatEnter the Wu-Tang is a top 10
rap album all time, well, that'slike seven or eight.
Infamous is like 11 or 12, interms of all-time placement.
So it's like, oh no, there'sonly.
You know, the albums that areseparating these albums, in my
opinion, are like the low endtheory, you know you know what's
(02:42:48):
funny for me about this round?
Speaker 3 (02:42:50):
these are the quintessential classics by both
of these groups.
But I love Hell on Earth andForevermore that's wild Answers
into the Wu-Tang.
Speaker 1 (02:43:03):
He just said that's wild.
That's wild Answers into theWu-Tang.
You want to know what?
I had a friend, His name wasMark Millian, and Mark told me
once something and I've said iton this show to stay with me,
and that's that Enter.
The Wu-Tang is the mostinnovative rap album of all time
.
It is and it is, and so whenyou actually look at the fact
(02:43:27):
that it's the most innovativerap album of all time, it is one
of the few rap albums that doeshave classic songs like in so
many multiples that it'sridiculous has in more than five
.
Well, it's the most innovativerap album of all time.
It's got five instant classicrap songs on there.
It changed the game.
It changed the way that welooked at things.
It changed the way the craft ofemceeing was done.
(02:43:50):
The lead emcee and the crew atthe time got Rhyme of the Year
in the quote-unquote Bible ofthe Source for his verse on.
Protect your Neck.
It doesn't get much morespecial than Enter the Wu-Tang.
I would not be surprised ifthey won this entire bracket
with this album Possibility.
Speaker 3 (02:44:05):
What's the chat saying, Sean Let?
Speaker 4 (02:44:08):
me see Yo real quick.
Everybody please like share,subscribe.
I see some new faces in theaudience.
Give me your original content.
Original content.
Speaker 3 (02:44:18):
A lot of thought and effort was put in this bracket
for real, Absolutely 36, 59%,the infamous 40%.
Let's move on.
Got 36.
Final four appearance.
Speaker 1 (02:44:30):
Shame on the nigga who tried to run game on the
nigga.
Speaker 3 (02:44:33):
Okay, we got on the other side of the bracket.
We got.
It Takes a Nation of Millionsversus Illmatic.
Speaker 4 (02:44:42):
Queens get the money, man, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (02:44:45):
It ain't that easy though, sean.
I'm with Illmatic, but it's notthat easy, so hold on.
Speaker 1 (02:44:49):
So you're telling me that Illmatic is taking down.
Speaker 4 (02:44:51):
It Takes a Nation and the Purple Tape and that the
Purple Tape and it Takes aNation are not going to be in
the finals.
Speaker 3 (02:45:00):
Not in the final four .
If Illmatic wins, I'll put itin the poll.
Put it in the poll.
I don't like it.
You're not going to give a vote, coop.
That's not.
That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:45:13):
Okay.
So here's how I look at it.
Let's say that we're doing thisin bracket.
Now let's get realistic.
So let's say that, much likethis current NCAA tournament,
auburn's the number one overallseed, but everybody's picking
Florida, so Illmatic is thenumber one overall seed in this
(02:45:37):
tournament, obviously no, it wasthe number four seed.
I mean in terms of how, whenwe're talking about it, live.
Speaker 3 (02:45:46):
Like it's the hip hop bible, so to speak.
That's what you said, right,correct?
Speaker 1 (02:45:50):
But what I would submit to you that if we're
doing this in bracket form, Well, If you got to play the purple
tape One day, well, if you gotto play the purple tape one day
and play it takes a nation ofmillions.
Two days later you were notrunning both of those games.
Nigga, not both of those games.
You're not winning both ofthose games.
Speaker 3 (02:46:11):
You understand what I'm saying.
Fortunately for albums, theydon't have fatigue.
Speaker 1 (02:46:15):
You know what I'm saying I'm just like, like hold
on.
Speaker 3 (02:46:17):
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (02:46:17):
It's like you know what I'm saying, I'm just like
like hold on hold on.
Speaker 1 (02:46:19):
It's like you just got, like you just beat the
purple tape and now you're goingto be.
It takes a nation a million.
Two days later it's like no,you are not nigga, you are not
super nigga.
I could argue that it takes.
A nation is lucky to be in here.
I ain't even doing this.
Speaker 4 (02:46:37):
This is real ass shit I ain't even doing this if it
ain't on here.
Speaker 1 (02:46:42):
It's like you want me to do a bracket.
Speaker 4 (02:46:43):
Best rap albums of all.
Speaker 1 (02:46:44):
Time is like yeah, yeah, takes a Nation ain't on
there, so I'm out.
Speaker 4 (02:46:47):
Set out to say it it's not an easy lift.
It's not an easy lift at all.
Speaker 1 (02:46:54):
I mean we can advance Illmatic.
I'm just submitting somedevil's advocate type of
material.
Speaker 3 (02:46:59):
No, no, I'm with you.
When Sean left, that's why Iwas like it's not that easy man,
it takes a nation.
Speaker 1 (02:47:04):
I mean, okay, so let's look at it like this.
It's like, okay, so let's say,illmatic is, like, you know, the
96 Bulls.
It's like, oh no, the 96 Bullsmight be the best team ever, I
don't think they've beaten the88 Lakers and the 86 Celtics
back-to-back.
That's not happening.
I get your logic, but that'snot.
(02:47:28):
You know, we can't apply thathere.
Speaker 3 (02:47:29):
I'm just, like I said , devil's advocate, just admit
something to the team, but justsizing it up right, like MC and
lyrics, it goes to Nas right.
What Nas is doing on Illmaticis superior to it Takes a Nation
correct.
It's tough, yes, but no, I meanI just Quick yes or no so we
can move on.
Speaker 1 (02:47:51):
Alright production.
Okay, so here's what I'm sayingOkay, so how about?
This when do you have Illmaticrank as a mic performance all
time?
Speaker 3 (02:47:56):
I would say around third Like.
Because I got it was.
I would probably say aroundthird like.
To me it was written as thebest mic performance by MC on a
record.
I got that one.
Biggie on Life After Death istwo.
His versatility is unmatched.
Illmatic will probably come inat three.
I think Purple Tape is a cheatcode because you got Ray Angles.
(02:48:19):
I can't compartmentalize andsay it's just Ray, you know.
So Illmatic to me is the thirdbest mic performance on an album
.
Speaker 1 (02:48:28):
Okay, so for me I would tell you that it was
written at one.
Speaker 3 (02:48:35):
It's the same guy.
What are you talking about?
I?
Speaker 4 (02:48:37):
don't care.
What do you talking about?
I don't care, I'm a one and atwo.
Speaker 1 (02:48:41):
What do you mean?
Wow?
That's why I put them a one andtwo.
I would put it Was Written atone.
I would put Let the Rhythm HitHim at two.
I would put Life After Death atthree.
I would put Illmatic at four.
But what I would put, Illmaticat four, but what I would tell
you is that my four, five, sixwould probably be Nas on
(02:49:08):
Illmatic, Chuck D on A Text toNation of the Men and Ice Cube
on Death Certificate.
So it's not like it's far away.
Speaker 3 (02:49:14):
I'm putting Jay on Reasonable Doubt up there too.
Speaker 1 (02:49:17):
Jay's up there.
Jay's mic performance onReasonable Doubt is up there.
It's up there, jay's micperformance on reasonable doubt
is up there.
It's up there that's more onthe back end of my time this
might be controversial.
Speaker 3 (02:49:24):
I'm taking jay's mic performance on reasonable doubt
over biggs on ready to die.
Speaker 1 (02:49:27):
I'm sorry yes, if you're talking mic performance.
Yes, I'm sorry so, but this iswhat I mean.
Is it's like even for when?
Speaker 3 (02:49:36):
okay, so here's my problem with jay's, and I would
have picked reason without overready to die on this bracket if
they would have met up.
Speaker 1 (02:49:42):
I'm sorry again, we're talking mic performance,
volume one actually might behost.
That's my performance, like,because here's what I'm saying,
because when I give reasonabledoubt, when I'm giving
reasonable that, the doubt, thenod over volume one in terms of
mic performance, it's mostlyabout the evils and it's more
consistency, too.
Speaker 3 (02:49:59):
It's more consistency it's mostly about the evils and
it's more consistency, too,yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:50:03):
But it's about the evils.
It's like oh no, the evils area reasonable doubt tiebreaker.
Speaker 3 (02:50:07):
But not too many people can do streets is
watching though.
Speaker 1 (02:50:11):
That's what I'm saying.
That's why it's like, oh no,the evils is the tiebreaker as
much as it's because it'sbrilliant as imaginary players
and streets is watching is.
I don't think there is aspecialist to Eagles, even for a
special.
So so we can't talk about wecan't talk about Jake too long
Sean had will explode we have anagreement on Illmatic moving
forward, taking down, takes thenation, Even in the arm of the
(02:50:34):
polling.
Speaker 4 (02:50:35):
it has 86% Illmatic and 13%.
Speaker 3 (02:50:38):
it takes the nation All right, we're moving on,
ready to Die versus the ChronicChronic.
For me, it's the Chronic, theChronic, the Chronic.
Speaker 1 (02:50:50):
The Chronic playing at the beginning of Ready to Die
too, we all said that prettyeasily yeah, the Chronic All
right.
Speaker 3 (02:50:56):
This damn Final Four is crazy.
Y'all All right.
Speaker 1 (02:51:00):
We got the Chronic All right this damn, final Four
is crazy y'all.
Speaker 3 (02:51:01):
All right, we got.
Speaker 1 (02:51:01):
The Chronic and Illmatic.
Hold on.
We do have the Chronic andIllmatic in there and that is a
lot of people's one and two.
That's correct, yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:51:08):
Correct this Final Four actually is indicative of
four out of my five top fivealbums of all time, so I
couldn't be happier.
Speaker 1 (02:51:18):
Definitely cheating, definitely, cheating, definitely
cheating.
You just said it.
Did you hear the?
Speaker 4 (02:51:23):
niggas say it out loud, it was cheating.
Speaker 1 (02:51:25):
Okay, keep going.
Speaker 4 (02:51:26):
Yeah, just put it that way.
Speaker 3 (02:51:30):
Alright, we got Doggystyle versus 36 Chambers
and I like how this is balancedout east and west on both sides.
I'm taking Doggystyle, sean Ilike doggy style, sean.
Speaker 1 (02:51:41):
I don't like this man Taking doggy style, because,
remember when I said therearen't a lot of rap albums that
have as many classic songs asthere's the Wu-Tang.
Well, I can think of actuallyone rap album that actually has
more, and this would be the one.
This is the one, this is theone, this is the one, this is
the one, this is the one.
This is the one, this is theone, this is the one.
(02:52:02):
Doggy Style is the rap albumthat has more classic hip-hop
songs than Into the Wu-Tang.
Speaker 4 (02:52:05):
This is tough, this is tough.
Speaker 3 (02:52:08):
And so many things.
These are like polar opposites.
Like.
Dre is one of the like.
It is man, his production andhe's one of the best engineers
ever to do it.
Everything on Doggystyle soundscrisp, but everything on 36
sounds grungy and gritty onpurpose.
Rza's production, like bothproduction jobs are like top
(02:52:30):
tier About to hit you with thetiebreaker this is tough man.
But you got nine MCs, though,doing crazy stuff on 36, though.
Speaker 1 (02:52:40):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
It's a group effort onDoggystyle too.
But what I will tell you thisis no disrespect, oh, murder Was
the Case is the tiebreakerbetween these two albums.
There is no Murder Was the Caseon Into the Wu-Tang and there's
no Murder Was the Case on anySnoop Dogg album, since
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Doggystyle doesn't have a cream.
Coop Gin and juice is just asbig as cream.
So yes, it does.
Speaker 3 (02:53:06):
Okay, that's fair.
It's got gin and juice, so itdoes have a cream.
Speaker 1 (02:53:11):
And that's why I'm telling you Murder was the case
as the separator, because that'sthe Snoop record, that's
all-time great that we onlygetting on Doggy style and have
not gotten since We've gottenmore Wu-Tang shit comparable on
Liquid Sword.
Purple Tape, supreme Iron man.
There is no more.
Murder was the case after doggystyle.
Speaker 3 (02:53:33):
My bias is telling me 36.
Same here.
Objectively, it might be doggystyle.
I'm doggy style.
Objectively, it might be doggystyle.
Nope, I'm not doing it Too big,I'm going through.
Speaker 1 (02:53:50):
Just do the album rundown.
It's too much To me.
Speaker 3 (02:53:53):
it's not fair, because how innovative you said
it earlier how innovative 36 isis second to none To me.
I know most of us hold doggystyle real high, but I know some
people who look at doggy stylelike the Chronic Light.
Speaker 1 (02:54:13):
Those people are stupid.
Those people are stupid.
We can't help those you can'tfix stupid.
Speaker 4 (02:54:19):
AG.
Speaker 1 (02:54:19):
You can't fix stupid, Please don't AG.
You can't fix stupid, pleasedon't try here's what I will
tell you For everything thatthis is just my personal
Perspective of it and this is anopinion, so I'm not saying this
like fact.
It's definitely up for bait andup for discussion.
The rat machine as we know itexists because doggy style
(02:54:43):
exists.
There was no machine beforedoggy style this is the machine.
Speaker 4 (02:54:49):
There was no machine.
Speaker 1 (02:54:50):
Before doggy style there was no.
Put a rapper in the mix, addwater and watch the shit blow up
and become no.
And so for everything thatEnter the Wu-Tang is and
innovation, doggy style is tothe machine.
So when you're bringing up thegritty versus clean context,
(02:55:11):
it's like, yes, but never hasthe gritty been done so well,
but never has the clean beendone so well.
That's what I'm telling you.
Production-wise, you can golisten to some of the stuff
engineering-wise on Doggystyleand you're like, oh shit, this
shit sound clean today it shouldsound clean today.
Speaker 3 (02:55:29):
But that machine is the impact that Doggystyle have.
But 36 may like restructure thegame on how group individual
solo members.
I look at 36 chambers, likejordan signing with nike for the
air jordan, because before youknow, I'm saying when in 85,
(02:55:51):
when he was with jordan, noplayer had signature shoes.
It was players had team colors.
They were signed with converse,whatever, jordan was the first
signature shoot and the gamechanged, broke wide open after
that for people to do that.
I look at 36 Chambers, what theWu-Tang did with that album RZA
masterminded that to parlayindividual deals for every solo
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member at different labels, tobreak the game wide open and to
pioneer other groups doing thesame thing.
I I very much liken what 36chamber is to michael jordan
signing the nike, like it's thatbig for hip-hop it is okay.
Speaker 1 (02:56:31):
So how about this?
Let me give you a final doggystar argument.
Well, all everybody on the eastcoast was talking about in late
93 and early 94 was bringingthe East Coast back.
Why was that?
Why did they have to bring theEast Coast back?
Speaker 3 (02:56:50):
Doggy style, that's true, and this is the same year.
I forgot about that.
This is the same year.
Speaker 1 (02:56:57):
Thank you.
And this would be thetiebreaker, because if we just
if we talking about it in realtime.
As much as I love wu-tang clan,we were all there.
We all know who themotherfucking man was and it was
snoop.
He had, he had the records, hehad the album, he had the sales,
he had the no, no, he hadeverything in spades.
So as much as I love into thewu-tang, this is.
Speaker 4 (02:57:18):
How about this?
Speaker 1 (02:57:19):
Doggy Style is the reason that Into the Wu-Tang is
not in my top five.
You know what I'm saying,because I don't have the Chronic
in my top five either.
Speaker 4 (02:57:26):
Doggy Style is the reason.
Speaker 1 (02:57:27):
The Chronic and Into the Wu-Tang, aren't in my top
five, didn't they?
Speaker 4 (02:57:30):
release a couple weeks apart from one another.
Speaker 3 (02:57:34):
No, that was 36.
Speaker 1 (02:57:36):
36 and Tribe came out the same day I think that's my
favorite one A month apartNovember, late November to late
December, literally a monthdifference in time.
Speaker 3 (02:57:47):
Well, my top five is literally no particular order,
like you know Illmatic 36,doggystyle Chronic and Cuban
Link.
That's my top five, noparticular order.
Speaker 1 (02:57:58):
So mine is Illmatic.
The Purple Tape DoggystylePayton Full it Takes a Nation.
Then, literally right afterthat, enter the Wu-Tang, the
Chronic Low End Theory.
Speaker 3 (02:58:09):
We got to take this to the chat.
Speaker 4 (02:58:11):
I already did.
Let me see what it said.
Who went in the?
Speaker 3 (02:58:14):
chat.
I want to say 36, but I can'tmove it on without.
Speaker 4 (02:58:20):
Doggy style, doggy style, winning 69% to 33%, we
got to move doggy style.
Speaker 3 (02:58:25):
Then we got to be objective Doggy style, doggy
style.
I fall hard for 36.
Speaker 1 (02:58:30):
I love 36.
I told y'all I wouldn't besurprised if both of these I
told you doggy style.
Doggy style man.
Speaker 4 (02:58:38):
But I'm with it, though.
Appreciate you, esquire.
They came out the same month.
Okay, that's what's up.
Speaker 3 (02:58:44):
That's what's up.
All right, so we got Illmaticversus the Chronic.
Speaker 4 (02:58:51):
Man, you know where I'm going with this.
Speaker 1 (02:58:52):
We're not doing the Chronic versus Doggy style.
We are not.
Speaker 3 (02:58:57):
That's your rationale .
Speaker 1 (02:58:59):
I refuse that's right .
I refuse to argue that I'm notdoing that.
Speaker 3 (02:59:03):
I think, in a lot of ways, these albums are the
inverse of one another.
Nas is the superior MC with anall-star cast of producers, and
Dre is the all-star producerwith an all-star cast of rappers
, first of all, and Dre is theall-star producer with an
all-star cast of uh, you knowrappers.
Speaker 1 (02:59:21):
So and first of all, even though we do not like how
we got here when your last fouralbums are into the Wu Tang, the
chronic dog, silent, illmatic.
Oh no, we still did somethingright, guys.
We still did something right.
It's called hip hop.
Hip hop did something right,yeah, yeah, hip-hop did
something, no matter how youwant to toss and turn it, it's
(02:59:43):
like well, let's be clear aboutthis.
These are four of the best 10rap albums of all time, are they
not?
Speaker 3 (02:59:53):
Then they still work.
Speaker 1 (02:59:54):
Even though you and your girl tried to cheat, even
though Sean tried to knock Jayout and even though Sean tried
to knock J out and even thoughSean tried to elevate what you
had to be, we still sitting overhere with the chronic and doggy
style.
Speaker 3 (03:00:06):
I like what you said, coop, about the top 10 rap
albums of our time.
Listen to me run down our EliteEight Death Certificate.
Doggy Style, the Infamous 36Chambers.
It Takes a Nation Illmatic,ready to Die.
And the Chronic.
Speaker 1 (03:00:18):
Those are all top 20 rap albums.
Those are all top 20 rap albums.
Ready to Die might be theweakest rap album out of all of
those.
Matter of fact, Ready to Die isthe weakest rap album out of
all those.
Speaker 3 (03:00:31):
Who said it?
I didn't, but I think it a lotof times.
Let's be honest.
I'm trying to be fair and getfeelings out here.
All right Now the Chronic isfantastic, but to me it's not
beating out Illmatic.
Speaker 1 (03:00:45):
So are we all in agreement on that.
Yeah, and now we have see.
This is my favorite matchup,this is a tough one.
Speaker 3 (03:00:58):
Look at the road that Illmatic had to travel, though
to your point Coop Ridiculous.
Cuban links, takes the Nationand the Chronic.
Speaker 1 (03:01:09):
Right, okay, so if this was war, illmatic wouldn't
have any legs or arms right now.
We'd just be throwing his bodyout, because he would have lost
everything in the previous threerounds.
We'd just be throwing the bodyof Illmatic out.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no.
The Chronic took his arms, okay.
Purple Pig took his legs.
Leg leg, arm head, like RZAsaid, leg leg arm, head yeah.
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Protrons electrons always causeexplosion.
Word, word.
Speaker 4 (03:01:38):
What are we doing?
What are we?
Speaker 3 (03:01:39):
doing here?
Are we doing here?
I know where my vote lies.
Speaker 1 (03:01:42):
My vote lies with ilmatic, but this is definitely
a discussion it is actually agnow that you've done this and
we've taken it this far.
First of all, we put ilmatic upin this chat, so nas is going
to win, but I think we shouldobjectively take this poll to
all of our social media accountsand collect data.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, so, andso what I'll tell you is is that
(03:02:04):
we actually need to table thisand let everybody really vote
and tally up.
You know, you know we can, wecan literally.
You know we did our bracket.
It's down to illmatic and doggystyle.
Let's let the people decide,because I think those are two
wonderful albums to pick from.
And they are cool.
And personally for me.
Well, I got one album at numberone and I got one album at
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number four and the last time Ihad a conversation about these
two albums I literally said Isaid the separation between
album one and album four ispreference, because they're all
comparable and that would beDoggy Style.
It Takes a Nation Purple Tapeand the Omatic to me.
Speaker 3 (03:02:46):
I like that Cool.
Speaker 1 (03:02:49):
We got to be a part of the people.
Let's let the people decide,Because think about it, I'm with
it.
Think about it too, Althoughthis the album West Coast niggas
love the most.
And this the album East Coastniggas love the most.
And this the album.
Speaker 3 (03:03:01):
East Coast niggas love the most.
Let them vote.
I don't want to disrespectChronic like that because you
keep saying no, but I know somany people that put the Chronic
over Doggy Style yeah themniggas, old though I mean, it's
just one year how about thispeople?
Speaker 1 (03:03:16):
from our generation need to understand something
about the Chronic that theydon't really acknowledge.
Our generation swears by theChronic.
Our generation swears by doggystyle, and so does the
generation after us, and that'sthe difference, guys.
There's a generation after usthat swears by doggy style too,
that does not swear by theChronic, and that's what all the
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old ass niggas that keeptalking about the Chronic keep
on.
Speaker 3 (03:03:39):
It is crazy what difference a year can make,
though, but you know what's themost remarkable thing about this
?
Both of these are debut albums.
That's insane.
Speaker 1 (03:03:48):
There's the two best debut albums of all time by
rappers.
Both are important to theirsolo, solo rap.
Solo rappers yeah, best solodebuts ever.
Yes, if you were naming bestsolo rap debuts of all time,
where would you go?
This would be the two albumsyou'd go to.
Speaker 4 (03:04:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:04:07):
You'd be like where the hits, where the records?
Where the sales Doggystyle?
Where the songs?
Where the culture?
Where the hip-hop Illmatic?
Speaker 3 (03:04:13):
Let's do a comprehensive vote with the
people, let's put it in our chatin here and then we'll take it
in our chat to socials.
Speaker 4 (03:04:20):
I just did, I just put it in there.
I got it 75-25.
Speaker 1 (03:04:24):
What's going on, Sean ?
75-25.
Speaker 4 (03:04:29):
70-30, but it's still changing.
That's 45 votes so far 70 infavor of what?
We know where we at.
We have a large base right.
I think we're at.
We have a large Nas base right.
Right but.
I think we're contextualizingall of this regardless, Because
even with Coop, you asked Poeticreally well about doggy style.
But here's the thing aboutIllmatic.
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I think that, to me, is thetiebreaker.
You're talking about closingthe chapter of the Old Testament
of hip-hop and going to a NewTestament of hip-hop with
Illmatic.
Illmatic was that unique bridgebecause it had elements of the
Old Testament of hip-hop.
Yes, it opened up the door forthe New Testament of hip-hop
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because it changed everythingaround.
It made rappers even old andnew, old, current and those who
was coming after him.
They had to figure out how torap again Because there was no
more.
You couldn't do the Rat-a-tatrapping anymore, you couldn't do
the pity-patting anymore.
Speaker 1 (03:05:31):
Kane couldn't do his shit.
No more, either Kane and KRScouldn't do their shit.
Speaker 3 (03:05:34):
no more, either, nobody talks about this, but I
know Eric B and Rakim broke up,but Rakim disappeared for a
little while.
He saw Nas's come up.
Nas said he used Ra's studiotime to record when Ra wouldn't
show up at the studio.
Nobody talks about Rakim didn'tput out another album for years
(03:05:58):
after Nas got on the scene.
You know what?
Speaker 4 (03:06:01):
happened.
Think about this All of thosestyles Kane, rob, even Chris
Fushnikins all of those stylesthat were popular, hammer, all
of them that was doing theirthing when Illmatic came out.
It changed things so much thatthose guys damn near please
don't nobody come at me hardcore, but they damn near became
(03:06:21):
extinct.
Lesson got out of the way.
That style could not transforminto what he was doing.
Speaker 3 (03:06:31):
It's a flagpole moment in hip-hop.
Speaker 1 (03:06:35):
So here's what happened.
Yes, rock M stepped away, butit also gave Rock M the
confidence to step back inbecause, unlike everybody else,
rock M's the only one thatdidn't have to change a thing
because, quite frankly, what Naswas doing was his shit.
Yes, no, you're right.
So Rock M didn't have to change.
Cool G-Rap.
Speaker 3 (03:06:55):
KRS change.
Let's be clear about G-Rap.
Neither did G-Rap G-R-A changed, let's be clear.
Let's be clear about G-Rap.
Neither did G-Rap.
G-rap is the father to NasStyle in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1 (03:07:03):
How about this?
Okay, and I agree with that,and he did change and I think
that hurt him when he came back.
Speaker 3 (03:07:12):
G-Rap, you think it did Mm-hmm.
I don't know if his fan basewas big enough to hurt him bad.
In general, I think his fanbase just was what it was.
I look at G-Rap of the AZ ofthe era before him.
Speaker 1 (03:07:25):
I can see that I will say this, and this is something
that I've noticed from ourdialogue too.
This, more than anything else,might be the thing that makes us
feel so special about Illmatic.
All of these albums that we'vebeen talking about that are
comparable to Illmatic guys.
They're all heavy group MCefforts Doggy Sal, heavy group
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MC effort, Enter the Wu-TangPurple Tape, and so that.
So the records that stick outto me the most are the soloist
mic performance, that would beNas on Illmatic, Chuck B on it
Takes a Nation of Millions Rock,Him on Paid in Full and Ice
Cube on Death Certificate.
Speaker 3 (03:08:08):
That's what we picked out about them.
The degree of difficulty.
Speaker 1 (03:08:12):
Right, and actually my main takeaway from all of
this and I've always kind offelt this way and it keeps
happening we've got to starthaving the conversation about
Death.
Cert, my main takeaway from allof this and I've always kind of
felt this way and it keepshappening we got to start having
a conversation about Death.
Speaker 4 (03:08:25):
Certificate as a top 10 rap album.
Speaker 1 (03:08:26):
Absolutely, we really need to start having that
conversation, the main thingthat I've noticed from this
conversation the DeathCertificate has all the things
that a top 10 rap album has, andwe don't talk about it enough
like it does.
Speaker 3 (03:08:34):
And that's not enough credit.
Speaker 2 (03:08:37):
Not enough credit.
Think about it Because thinkabout the other albums that
we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:08:40):
It's like no.
And this is nothing againstRakim, it's nothing against Chup
, this ain't nothing against Nas.
Oh, ice Cube's solo mission onDeath Certificate is the longest
of all those great solomissions.
Hasn't got the most bars Right.
Speaker 3 (03:08:55):
Right and real quick.
Coop, I want to give you a lotof credit because you said this
before we even started thebracket.
You said that the only personI'm not the only person, but the
only original awarded five micalbum that's going to come out
of this alive is Illmatic.
Our final four was Illmatic,which was awarded five mics
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originally.
Doggystyle, which was awardedfive mics originally.
Doggy style, which was awardedfour mics originally.
The chronic, which was awarded4.5 originally, and 36 chambers,
which was awarded four and ahalf originally.
You caught it from the get go.
You caught it from the jump.
Speaker 1 (03:09:32):
I already knew, because when I read your bracket
for the first time it made methink are we sure it's the Bible
, With all these four and ahalfs and fours walking around?
Speaker 4 (03:09:41):
A lot of yeah what Rubik was used.
Speaker 1 (03:09:44):
A lot of missteps, man.
Think about it, it's a lot ofmissteps.
It's easy to be you know youcan't be no Bible when you miss
the death certificate.
Listen, death certificate.
Chronic doggy style insuccessive years.
Speaker 3 (03:10:01):
No, yeah, but I respect them for doubling back
and saying we were wrong, though, you know, but that's after the
people had spoken, you knowyeah, I mean that's after you, I
mean that'd be funny, it's likemonday morning quarterback I
mean?
Speaker 1 (03:10:14):
I mean, when you get an extortant and somebody got
the gun to your head, you'regonna drop it in the bag.
You really don't have a choiceat that point.
Speaker 4 (03:10:21):
Put that shit in my bag.
It is an East coast publication, so of course that was a big
part of it.
Speaker 1 (03:10:28):
That's what I'm really trying to get at.
But no, but this is what I mean.
Are they our Bible Cause I'mbringing up the West coast
albums.
But AG just said Liquid Sportsdidn't even get a five-mic
buyback in.
Why doesn't Infamous and thePurple Tape have four-and-a-half
mics?
Why does Reasonable Doubt havefour mics?
Why does Ready to Die havefour-and-a-half mics?
The fuck is you niggas doing?
You wish to eat those shit, butthe fuck is you niggas doing?
Speaker 3 (03:10:50):
Just for context, real quick, before we get out of
here, the ones that wereretroactively awarded five mics
the four and a half werebreaking atoms by main source.
Death certificate by ice cube.
The chronic by dr dre 36chambers by wu-tang ready to die
by big and um the infamous bymob deep only built for cuban
(03:11:10):
links by rayquan and um thechronic 2001 by dre.
The ones that were awarded forthe originally awarded four mics
that got five wereretroactively, were Grippin' on
that Other Level by the GhettoBoys, doggy Style by Snoop the
Diary by Scarface Me Against theWorld by Pac, the Score by the
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Fugees and Reasonable Doubt byJay-Z.
Speaker 1 (03:11:33):
How can you have the Score by the Fugees in there and
not have Liquid Swords in there?
Speaker 4 (03:11:37):
Exactly Because it's the hype, it was the hype, right
.
Speaker 1 (03:11:44):
There are core Wu-Tang fans to this day, guys
that still feel like LiquidSwords is better than the Purple
Tape.
That's how serious LiquidSwords is.
There are people that swearthat.
I've had full-fledged argumentswith hardcore hip-hop heads.
They will literally break downsong for song and track for
track, while Liquid Swords isbetter than the Purple.
Speaker 3 (03:12:02):
Tape Cuban Leaks is just not fair, because you got a
tandem and RZA was on somethingelse.
Man, I just you know he's onsomething else.
Speaker 1 (03:12:11):
Okay, and maybe it's a style thing, I enjoy the beats
on Liquid Swords just as muchas I enjoy the beats on the
Purple Tape.
I think it's just Ray and Ghostare more exciting MCs, and so
Prince is getting more excitingbeats, right.
Speaker 4 (03:12:25):
It was very colorful.
Speaker 3 (03:12:27):
He didn't know which chamber to tap into for his
artists Look here.
Speaker 1 (03:12:38):
And this is what I mean about the production on
Liquid Swords.
It's like, oh no, when youlisten to the beat of Fourth
Chamber, you like kill a priestand ghost face in the jizz and
Riz about to rap over this beatLike nah.
And then it come in and youlike To me that's rap metal.
Speaker 3 (03:12:53):
That's rap metal.
I love that song.
You're like this guy's afucking genius.
Speaker 1 (03:12:56):
It sound like World War III.
Speaker 3 (03:12:58):
Yep, that's rap metal right there.
Speaker 4 (03:13:00):
Why is it all?
Speaker 1 (03:13:01):
wet.
Why did you just grab the rope?
That's my favorite ghost shit.
That's when ghosts came out tome.
When ghosts said that shit, Iwas like yo.
Speaker 3 (03:13:14):
Listen, that was my first concert I ever went to in
97, when they was on tour withRage Against the Machine.
When that joint rang off, themwhite boys in the mosh pit was
going crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:13:22):
Rap metal.
You gotta look like two dogsstuck.
Iron man be sipping rum out ofStanley Cup, Mighty mighty.
Speaker 3 (03:13:31):
Yo, this was mad fun guys.
No, no, no, this was a greatidea AG.
Speaker 1 (03:13:37):
This was one of the better.
This is one of the more funcontent pieces that I've had fun
doing in all my years ofpodcasting.
Speaker 3 (03:13:42):
It was tough.
It was tough.
Speaker 1 (03:13:46):
Great conversation.
Speaker 4 (03:13:49):
I want to give light to all of this because, for
those of you who are watchingand everything, y'all need to
understand how we curate.
We all have three differentminds, three different spirits
when it comes to hip-hop.
When we first talked about this, the original piece of this was
going to be a conversationaround five mics.
That was the originalconversation.
(03:14:11):
We had this in a chamber forprobably over two months, two to
three months.
We thought about it and AG andI had a conversation.
We said how can we get cool, toget tight on some polling shit?
That's how we started thisconversation.
That's how we started theconversation.
I said yo.
Ag said well, let's try to do abracket.
(03:14:33):
I said let's take the five-micconversation and put it in a
bracket to see how that looks.
Speaker 1 (03:14:39):
Okay.
So, guys, not being funny,trife hit us with the 50 bucks
classic segment.
Shout out, trife, Appreciateyou bro.
Hey, not being funny, guys, andthis is what I mean.
Is it really the Bible?
Because listen to all thealbums that you just named that
got recertified, okay, whatabout Southern Playalistic
Cadillac music and ATLians?
(03:14:59):
What about Soul Food by GoodyMob?
You feel what I'm saying, like,what about those three albums?
Yeah, what about 8 Ball andMJG's Coming Out Hard?
Speaker 3 (03:15:10):
That's Deshaun's point.
It's an.
Speaker 1 (03:15:12):
East.
Speaker 3 (03:15:13):
Coast publication.
They're not going to extendtheir hand too far to the south
or the west UGK's Riding Dirtyyou feel what.
Speaker 1 (03:15:20):
I'm saying See, cool, that's where you got Breaking
Adams as my main source, but youdon't have two lives through,
as nasty as they want to be.
That's our Breaking Adams downhere.
Speaker 4 (03:15:30):
You feel me it is, see, cool, that's the thing.
That's where we need to maybe apart two to have the
conversation around this.
We take it to the South, andtake it to the Midwest, and take
it to the West coast.
Speaker 1 (03:15:43):
Lil' Kim's hardcore better than the score, shit yeah
.
Speaker 3 (03:15:47):
But yeah to Sean's point, it was a lot of curating
that went into this and then Iwas like thinking hard as hell,
trying to figure out a way tocome up with the seedings.
That wasn't a heavy lift.
Speaker 1 (03:15:57):
And, like I said, you know what I would actually like
to do.
When we get done with all thisand all this comes out, maybe we
just need to reset thebarometer and just come up with
the five Mike albums by yearthat actually were five Mike
albums.
Speaker 3 (03:16:13):
That list would be a lot longer.
I know that.
Speaker 1 (03:16:16):
That's cool, but it needs to be done, and done
properly, because they didn't doit properly.
They still didn't go back andfix it, then some of the stuff
we need to have legitimateconversations about.
Think about this Ghost is a top10 MC.
Ghost didn't have one entry inhere.
Speaker 3 (03:16:31):
No, but he had Cuba Links in there.
He contributed.
Speaker 4 (03:16:36):
Iron man is going to revisit it.
Iron man is a great CD, if Itell you it should be revisited?
Speaker 3 (03:16:42):
Yeah, and it should be.
And not to mention the play-in.
To even get here, like I mean,we're all of a certain age,
we're in our early 40s, butthose play-in albums were tough.
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (03:16:56):
Those tough are some of the decisions we made in live
time with some of the albums.
Speaker 3 (03:17:01):
Those albums from 88, 89?
Look.
Speaker 4 (03:17:06):
It was written out and we left Hell on Earth out
Both would have gave a lot ofmoney, Money waters.
Speaker 3 (03:17:15):
Would have given more money.
Like I said, it was hard to putthis together and not be biased
.
In the easiest way I figured Icould do that is like well, the
five mics was coveted early on,so if you were able to achieve
that early on, you get thehigher ranking.
I mean, I'm not, I'm not tryingto be mean but some people need
to be.
Speaker 1 (03:17:34):
This is why I'm saying we need to revisit it.
It's like I don't know.
Some people deserve five mics,some people need to be d mic.
Some of these five mic albumsare not five mic albums.
I've been saying for a longtime that, as much as I love
tribe called quest, people'sinstinctive isn't a five, it's a
four, four and a half.
It's not a five, because thelow end theory of midnight
marauders is a five.
How can you listen to those?
(03:17:55):
two albums and take the pinkpeople on the same level we need
to swap some.
Speaker 3 (03:17:58):
So we of this shit, but let's shoot them some bail.
People's Instinctive was thefirst to get that.
Speaker 1 (03:18:04):
We're kind of having revisionist history and saying
Midnight Marauders is a low-endtheory, but at that time they
thought that was the pinnacleyou see what I'm saying, but
respectfully speaking, for whenPeople's Instinctive came out,
long Live the Cane had alreadycame out, which is a better
(03:18:26):
album.
Payton Fully and Follow theLeader it came out.
It Takes a Nation it came out.
Grace and Venture's Slick Rickit came out.
Oh no, they already knew what aclassic looked like, so they
had no business giving it a fiveany goddamn way.
That's right For real.
Like so they had no businessgiving it any goddamn way.
That's real, because nobody intheir right mind thinks that
people's instinctive is on thesame level as painful and
criminal-minded.
(03:18:46):
And it takes a nation and thegreatest adventures of slick
rick, and that's what I mean.
Are we sure that they're thebible?
Because really, what you'retelling me is people's
instinctive got the first five,you're telling me.
You've been fucking it up fromthe jump is what you've been
telling me.
Speaker 3 (03:18:59):
I texted Sean.
I was like yo remember I textedyou.
I was like yo, these albumsthat got the fours and the four
and a half might wax the onesthat got the five.
Speaker 1 (03:19:07):
Back up.
They didn't revisit Moment ofTruth and give it five.
No, I'm out.
I'm out, show's over.
Speaker 3 (03:19:15):
No Gangstar album is on here.
Speaker 1 (03:19:20):
Not Moment of Truth, not Hard to Earn, nothing,
unless you want to watch CoopUnwrapped.
Before the show Coop Unwrappedcomes out, we're going to end
this show.
Speaker 4 (03:19:27):
We broke it down into pillars.
We broke it down like theoriginal five, the 4.5s, the 4s.
It was going to be thatintricate, just to show how much
they were off the mark.
Speaker 1 (03:19:41):
And then the ones that weren't rated in the first
place, and this is what I meanabout the Southern thing.
It's like oh no, they gaveProject Pat, mr Don't Play,
three mics.
That'll get you murdered downhere.
I'm joking, memphis niggas willhurt you about that shit.
You get Mr Don't Play Becausepeople down here Mr Don't Play
is our purple tape.
That's just heavy on it.
Speaker 3 (03:20:03):
But what I love about how this bracket turned out was
a lot of the ones that you know.
Just like this NCAA tournamentis going to turn out, it's never
a case where all number oneseeds make it to the final four.
You know what I'm saying.
The albums that were in thelower seedings that got four and
four and a half ratings.
They made up 75 percent of thefinal four.
So you know, the bracket isreally realistic in that way.
(03:20:27):
And you know, shout out to mygirl for my helping me put
together.
She put a lot of work in it.
You know what I'm saying.
So I'd be remiss if I didn'tsay that.
You know what I'm saying.
This is hard to do and hard tojudge too.
Even when I was like puttingthem together, I was like I
wasn't trying to judge itbecause I wanted to save my real
reaction for the show, but someof these joints was crazy.
Speaker 4 (03:20:47):
It was tough.
Speaker 1 (03:20:49):
LP saying Getty Green is better than Mr Don't Play.
That's how I know.
You're not from down here, Allright.
Speaker 3 (03:20:54):
LP the Queens get the money too.
Lp.
Lp the Queens get the money too.
Lp.
Shout out LP.
But yo, this is mad fun y'allfor real Shout out to the chat.
Speaker 1 (03:21:03):
We appreciate y'all.
We appreciate y'all staying solong and hard in the chat with
us.
We still got over 100 peoplerocking with us in the chat, so
we appreciate y'all all lovingsupport I mean take us home,
please, sir.
Speaker 3 (03:21:14):
Yo real quick.
It's been a lot of brackets outhere because we in bracket
season, but we did ours right.
Speaker 4 (03:21:23):
No doubt Ours is the one Like, share, subscribe New
content, mirror music, unwrap,hip-hop talks.
We got a lot of stuff going onfellas Stoop stories coming soon
, if you don't want your podcasthost dancing all in the
brackets.
Come to Hip Hop Talks, takingyour color fonts and shit, doing
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all kinds of weird goofy stuffNiggas want to take everything
for a nigga Much love to all thepods though, straight up and
down, those who are local, thosewho are really out there, the
big pods, small pods, everybodyin between.
We appreciate everybody,appreciate the love.
It's a contact sport, let'shave fun.
Speaker 1 (03:22:05):
We appreciate y'all Appreciate y'all, I want to
thank all of you guys out therethat have been biting my style
and my material for the lastfive years.
What the heck is this?
I want to thank all you.
I want to thank all you, I wantto thank all you weak-ass
niggas who can't touch me.
I want to thank all you forcoming out.
(03:22:26):
It's been a pleasure.
It's been a pleasure and anhonor stunting on you, talking
shit about you to your face,behind your back, around your
baby mama, and all that it'sbeen a pleasure.
Yo like share subscribe.
Don't come to Atlanta with yourgirl I'm taking her Like, share
, subscribe, post on Twitter.
Speaker 4 (03:22:43):
If y'all love this segment, please share it on
Twitter.
We're going to get the visualsout there real soon and we're
going to put the polling outthere as well, for you all to
get on the Twitter and do thepoll thing and the voting thing.
So we're looking forward to theengagement.
So let's get it Peace.
Speaker 1 (03:23:03):
Don't bring your girl to Atlanta.
You share that girl oh.
Speaker 4 (03:23:12):
Yo bleep messed our whole song up AG Around here
Around here, yo, we still live.
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Welcome to Hip Hop Talks, wherethe moderator can't find his
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That's where we are Click like,subscribe and share.
We about to have a show, Maybe.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hopefully we got one, we got one tonight Look at God.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
If you didn't have it , I had it, coop.
You know what I'm saying?
I got one tonight.
Look at God, hey, if you didn'thave it, I had it, coop.
You know what I'm saying?
I got the back.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
No, you know, normally I actually get prepared
for the show today because Ilike preparing, like some people
like to prepare days prior.
I am a game time person, so Ido like like prepare for the
show in real time, and soyesterday I actually prepared
for the show outside oflistening to the music.
(01:31):
It's the first time I had doneit and it did just throw me off
because I am used to havingeverything out in front of me
already, because peopleunderstand, when I'm off on
Thursday it's like, oh no, Icome down here and I'm down here
all day.
So it's like my stuff iseverywhere.
So I just got to like put itback together like Voltron.
So you know I'm saying it'slike oh no, no, my notebook's
(01:52):
over here, the iPad's over there, my cigars are right here, my,
my beanie if you get cold, yeah,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
He's back Cadillacs, the robe just out of frame.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
The robe's actually over there on the couch.
The robe's actually on thecouch.
That's daytime mirror musicflow.
It's the beanie and the Nikehoodie for the hip hop talks.
You gotta coordinate, you gottacoordinate.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Don't let the robe hear that man the robe gonna
pull up on you for the hip-hoptalks.
You got to coordinate.
Don't let the rope.
Hear that man, the rope goingto pull up on you and throw his
axe.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Look here, I done had some of these ropes on, they
got legs.
They probably walking around.
It's like yo where my slap timeat Coop?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Dr Strange Cloak of Levitation.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Hey, I did want to clear up one thing, Sean, before
you jump into some of thethings that you wanted to share.
We had some commentary about,you know, LeBron James and once
again people made it all aboutBronny and what we said about
Bronny and just totally skippedover the whole LeBron part.
We know Bronny is doing well inthe G League guys, we follow
(03:07):
the tea leaves and the numbers,just like you.
We were saying he's not NBAready and if you want to know
how we know he's not NBA ready,he's not playing in the NBA
right now, he's playing in the GLeague.
Stop talking crazy to us aboutcrazy stuff.
If he was NBA ready, he wouldbe in the NBA.
Hello.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Hello, people, don't listen man.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Hello.
You understand the words thatare coming out of the moderator
who can't find his damn notes.
Man, Are you listening to thewords coming out?
Yeah, Okay.
Sean go ahead.
Your turn, bro, that is crazy.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Anything.
Hg on your side.
Do you want to rebuttal,because I think someone came to
your head as well about the GLeague comment.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
No, I mean, we said what we said.
It's just like we said hebelongs in the G League.
We know he's putting up statsin the G League.
We're aware of that.
He's just not aware.
I mean, he's just not ready forthe NBA.
And that's what Stephen A wassaying for LeBron Stop putting
him in those positions that he'snot ready for right now.
I mean OK, here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Him averaging 21 points in the G League.
It's like OK, so you're tellingme that you would be at USC
right now averaging that, whichwould make you a potential
lottery pick yes, an NBA player.
And what we were saying was isthat it might be best for you to
go back to school for anotheryear to actually be a
(04:34):
professional basketball player.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And let's keep it above him.
Putting up those numbers in theG league gets more coverage
than anybody else that put upnumbers like that in the G
league.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Oh yeah, cause?
Cause the players that put upnumbers like that the G League?
Oh yeah, because the playersthat put up numbers like that,
that make it up here, usuallyonly come in here and average
five or six or seven pointsanyway, but whatever.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Go ahead, Sean.
All right, Yo fellas, we got acouple of super chats real quick
.
Let's get them out the waybefore we get into the show.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
OK, it's Mad Max.
That's not a real super chat tostart the show, but we're going
to deal with that.
Mad Max, $10.
Holla, coop buddy, we need totalk, we need to link.
No, we don't.
Paul, absolutely, absolutely.
It's been kumbaya.
That's great.
I ain't even going to front onyou, mad Max.
(05:18):
Kumbaya is brilliant.
To the shadow realm for good,or the phantom zone Tired of his
laced ish.
That's the first thing first.
Okay, mad Max coming in.
Mad.
Max again.
Mad Max got got a dub on itearly, okay, mad Max.
Second, if you hear anotherperson say the pepper butterfly
(05:42):
over Illmatic, I'm gonna slapthem to the stone age so they
can learn some history.
Make sure Fontano got thatmessage, okay.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
All right, mad Max, please.
Shout out to Mad.
Max.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I never thought I would say this, but thoughts
expressed by Mad Max are notreflective of hip-hop talks.
You just have to say they'reabout.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Coop.
He's shooting a shot at Coop inthe chat.
He's shooting at me in the chat.
I just read your super chats.
What are you doing?
We need a link.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Don't tell a man, you need a link.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
You don't say it like that Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Saying we need a link is nasty work.
Literally.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Like no, oh crazy Shout out to that.
Max.
Shout out to I Am God in thechat.
Shout out to Rufus Sims in thechat as well.
Ill City in the chat.
Chicago, chicago, chi-townstand up.
We're definitely going to getto you guys tonight as well.
Before we get into it, fellas, Ihave a question for both of you
, but I want to kind of set thestage for my question.
(06:41):
So we see the Kanye rant allover Twitter.
Everything that he's sayingcrazy shit he's talking about on
Twitter.
We see the UMG stuff with Drake.
All of this mess that Drake isdoing Suing for a diss record,
suing for defamation ofcharacter, all of these
different things.
Fellas, fellas.
(07:03):
It's getting nasty out here.
We got so many times.
We see our artists.
You know one thing about Kanyehe was one of our favorite
artists, right?
He gave us some great music inthe very beginning, first phase
of Kanye's career one of thebest phases of hip hop, would
you all agree.
He gave us a prime J blueprint.
(07:24):
He gave us a lot of memorablemoments.
But now he's starting toseparate himself from those
memorable moments by doing thisfoolery that we're seeing on
Twitter.
It's not about the musicanymore, it's about the antics.
The antics are now starting toleapfrog all the music, even for
(07:44):
Drake.
Someone else who was verypolarizing as an artist coming
out the gate gave us some reallygood music, and now both of
these guys are becomingcharacters to themselves, going
to Twitter posting differentthings and memes and all of this
other trash and I was gettingaway from the music.
How do y'all feel about that?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
AG.
You want to go how you feel, ag.
Oh no.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
That's spot on, man, go ahead.
I'm always somebody that triesto compartmentalize the artist.
You know what I mean from theperson.
You know, because we makemistakes a lot of times of
putting people on pedestals and,to your point, sean, they end
up just letting us down.
But, um, you know, like he's,he's making it very difficult
(08:30):
for somebody to compartmentalizehim and still rock with him on
any type of level musically.
Um, you know, me and my girl, wehad this conversation this week
.
She was just talking about,like, if a old song that she
used to love it has justrandomly come across her
playlist, she just hit skip andlike, don't even want to listen
to it anymore because it's hardto, like you know, listen to
(08:50):
with the antics and the thingsthat he's putting out there.
You know what I'm saying.
So, um, like sean's saying,it's really getting to that
point where it's hard to even,you know I'm saying, tap back
into the old version of him.
You know I was talking to myson when Bully dropped the other
day online.
I was like you know, I textedhim.
(09:11):
I was like yo, it dropped butI'm not listening to it, I'm not
supporting it, or whatever, andhe was like, nah, me neither.
You know what I mean and youknow some months ago he was
wanting to check it out, butit's getting hard to like.
He's really dug himself in ahole that I don't think he'll be
able to come up out of.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Okay, so check it out .
So we haven't Having a littleChi-Town episode.
It seems like we're going to bereviewing Rufus' project in a
minute.
Shout out to I Am God, ill CityRufus.
What a dope project we're aboutto talk about in a minute.
Hopefully get you on here nextweek too.
Plug Is this really a differentversion of Kanye, though, guys?
(09:50):
I think this is just Kanyebeing Kanye, really, at the end
of the day, guys.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I said the same thing , Coop, to my girl.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
It's wrapped up, though I'm being very, very
serious when I'm saying thisCocaine is a hell of a drug,
though.
Guys, have you ever donecocaine?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
no, okay let me say that again for the people in the
back.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Motherfucker, I have that.
Shit is fun, okay, so will hebe wild?
So would he be wilding?
And would he be?
wilding and tripping out yeah,who contracts?
I heard that so would he bedoing the shit that he be doing?
(10:44):
I'd be like, oh no, fam, justdusted.
But I've been dusted before, sothat's just kind of how I look
at it.
That's why I prefaced it bysaying I'm not joking.
If somebody that's abused thedrug before, it's like, oh no,
motherfucker, I don't know whatthe fuck that shit is.
That's what happens.
No, for real, that's whathappens when you do that real
shit.
You know what I'm saying?
Not that step-thorn, he's got alot of money, he's taking
(11:06):
expensive drugs.
It makes me think of the DaveChappelle, rick James, skit.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Cocaine is a hell of a drug he's on drugs guys, but
it's at a point now where youcan't make excuses for him.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I've been saying this shit for a long time.
He's on drugs.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Hard drugs.
Even that's no excuse for himat this point, man.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
These are hard drugs.
These are hard drugs andunchecked traumas.
He's dealing with a lot ofissues, and this is why people
still do relate to him.
He's dealing with a lot ofissues that a lot of other black
males are still dealing withUnchecked trauma and hardcore
drugs.
He is still not dealtappropriately with his mother's
death either, guys and I justwant to be very careful about
saying that, but he just hasn'tdealt with it yet, guys.
(11:49):
He hasn't, and it's tearing himapart because he feels
responsible, and the worst partabout it is that he might
actually bear some burden.
If you've heard some of thestories about how things went as
opposed to how they should havegone, and so because of that,
you have some unchecked trauma.
You have somebody with accessto money and resources and fame
and power, but this isn't toomuch different than him saying
(12:11):
George Bush doesn't care aboutblack people.
No, that's the same nigga.
Now, what the problem is isthat the music sucks.
The problem is the music sucks.
The problem is not thecommentary, the incendiary
commentary.
No, it's a lot of problems withthe commentary.
It's a lot of problems with thecommentary.
Coop.
No, what I'm saying is that theincendiary commentary has
always been there getting thehall pass when he was making
(12:33):
classic shit Period, point blank.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
He been saying watch.
I don't think it was asinflammatory though.
It wasn't as inflammatory ohhe's done, he's done.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
You know, he his inflammatory?
Oh, he's done, he doesn't youknow you know.
No, this motherfucker beenthrowing up some gang signs on
some certain communities.
Those are gang signs.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
By the way, when you say those are gang signs, but,
he's playing a dangerous gameright now, you know and I'll
leave it at that because I don'twant to say too much or put
stuff out in the universe, buthe's, he's playing a very
dangerous game right now andit's a scary thought.
So yeah I mean he just this is.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
he did this a few years ago during like the whole
wyoming thing.
It's just it wasn't the exactsame commentary, guys, but this
is just kind of what he does andI do think that it.
You know, you, when you dealwith some drugs, like you will
literally go on like binges andyou'll go 17, 18, 19 hours
straight and your thoughtsbecome you know what I mean it's
(13:36):
like oh no, mental health isreal and so it's like drug abuse
and like all that, and he needssome help and you know, quite
frankly, to make some bettermusic.
But music, but you know, Idon't really have anything else
new to add about it.
I've been saying this shit foryears and I've been like well,
the music's not good and he'slike really fucking up and yeah,
but let's not give him the drug.
Let's not give him the drug out,though, you know, I mean
because that's an easy plea tocop you know I'm only saying
(13:59):
drugs this time is because, likeI, from somebody who's abused
drugs before, it's like I don'tknow it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I felt like drugs.
I felt like drugs.
I'm not laughing at you.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
It feels like drugs.
It feels like drugs.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
It's a combination of everything y'all said.
I really do think he's stillgrieving.
I really do.
I'm not trying to cop a pleafor him.
I do think that he's grievingvery, very heavy, and this is
how he's dealing with it,because I also feel that he felt
like he's being betrayed by somany people that he poured a lot
into, because he's naming thesepeople by my names on a list,
(14:39):
and these are folks that heprobably felt like yo, I gave
them ideas, everything, all ofthese things, and when I needed
them they weren't there for me,and I think that's why he's
lashing out the way he's lashingout.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
All right, I'm sorry to interrupt.
I'm going to stop right there.
He makes it hard for people tostand beside him Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I think that might be the most poignant point is that
I don't think that's what I'msaying.
I don't think that might be themost poignant point is that I
don't think that's what I'msaying.
I don't think that thecommentary is the problem.
I don't even think you know thedrug addiction and the mental
health issues, like, like all ofthat's not a problem.
The problem is is because ofhis track record in history,
there's nobody to really getbehind him.
(15:22):
Right, right, that would be theproblematic part about it,
especially from his side, right?
Speaker 4 (15:29):
You've got to love him from a distance and it's
tough.
You've probably got people inyour life that you've had to
leave behind or love them from adistance.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Look here, my father just passed away and I cut
people off like relatives.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's tough.
My father just passed away andI cut people off like relatives,
yeah it's tough.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
You probably felt healthy after that, for whatever
reason.
You probably felt healthy afterthat.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I feel great, and I don't apologize for feeling
great, feeling better.
No, I refuse to feel bad.
I'm too old for that shit.
Yeah, I don't feel bad, I don't.
You're not going to weigh medown no, but again.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Let's get back to the music.
Stop the antics.
Yeah, I don't feel bad, I don't.
You're not going to weigh medown.
No, but again.
Let's get back to the music.
Stop the antics, all this otherstuff, Talk behind the scenes
or whoever.
Let's get back to the music.
That's for everybody, that'sfor Dre, that's for Ye, that's
for content creators.
Let's get back to hip hop.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Let's not do the clickbait stuff.
Let's not follow the algorithm,become the algorithm.
You know, it's usually what youknow for what kanye is going
through.
There's usually somebody thathas come before you that usually
is like a relatable figure orsomebody you can point to and be
like well, the cause of itreally comes from here, but it's
like no, he's actually thecause, even the tone that we are
taking towards him.
(16:47):
He created this tone.
You know what I mean Aboutreally speaking the truth and
saying what you feel.
Very much like the gentlemanwho you have on your hoodie, ag.
You know what I mean.
He made this shit cool and nowit's kind of like the shoe is on
the other foot and everybody'sopen season on you now, the way
(17:09):
you've been open season oneverybody from day one, you know
, because there is nobody thathe is Not aired out, guys,
there's nobody, nobody.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Which is crazy, which is crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So, fellas, let's get to new music new music Freddie
Gibbs Nobody another Lucy fromFreddie guys.
We got an album coming.
Shout out to Andrew, who did areaction to Nobody.
You can catch that up on ourMirror Music page.
Shout out to Andrew, our behindthe scenes guru and my co-host
of Mirror Music.
(17:44):
Check out Andrew's response andreaction to Freddie Gibbs'
Nobody but AG.
What did you think of?
Nobody.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Well, first of all, you know it was.
It was crazy because the songdropped that same night of the
pod that we was waxing poeticabout him over.
You know the slow R&B loops.
You know what I'm saying abouthim over.
You know the slow R&B loops.
You know what I'm saying.
So when I heard the sample onthe song what I thought to be a
sample I was like yo, I've heardthis before and it was driving
me crazy where it came from andI was like yo, this is crazy.
(18:15):
But turns out it's not a sampleat all.
It's from his original track.
If you go back to his previousproject, he Only Died Once track
.
If you go back to his previousproject, he only died once.
It's on the interlude with allthe voicemails where you know
the devil is trying to, you knowcall him and then the girls and
stuff leaving voicemails andthat was the beat in the
backdrop, yeah, and then heturned that into a track.
(18:36):
You know, I think it's calleduh, nobody's, uh, nobody's home
interlude or something like that.
But um, he reused it,repurposed it and ended up
spitting over it and made a dopesong out of it.
But yeah, I mean smooth track.
Freddie got the hot hand rightnow.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Sean what you think.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Similar thoughts, I agree.
I agree.
I told you you guys sold me onFreddie and this is another
joint that was dope.
I'm hoping the album come realsoon.
I hope that is something thatwe can bop to.
Let's get back to the music.
I agree with everything Angiesaid.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
When I heard this record, I was thinking so, is
the next album called SoulSamples sold separately?
That's what I thought.
Soul Samples sold separately,that's what I thought.
Quadruple S Soul Samples soldseparately.
Part Two is also what I thoughtabout, because it does.
It does appear that he's chosento get in a kind of soulful bag.
(19:31):
I mean, I mean, I think this isan intentional movement to make
music like.
This is what I'm saying, and soI am fascinated about him maybe
potentially revving back up,because actually, if, um,
freddie's catalog and hisprogress Freddie actually just
really took a year off for thefirst time in about eight or
nine years, really, you know,and so maybe this is like the
(19:55):
ramp back up you know what I'msaying With you only die once
and, um, maybe something comingthis year.
So those were my thoughts, butit was a dope record.
I don't think it was anythingspecial, but I do think, like
you said, sean, I think he has ahot hand right now, though, and
usually when you have a hothand, that's a good time to like
make an album, and spring andsummer is on the horizon, and it
(20:16):
does appear that he is also oneof those rappers that it seems
crazy for his acquainted.
We are with him.
It seems like he's on the vergestill and he's been on the
verge for a minute and I feellike he might just have he's one
record away.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
He is one record away in my opinion, from from being
like a household name becausehe's got everything right.
I'm not breaking away his wholecareer okay, I don't know about
that.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
So we're just gonna slide ill magic with the 999
super check, if you guys want toinclude late release albums
from last year, starting withNovember 2024, on your list for
this year.
Would you rank Sky Zoo's albumthis year?
Where would you rank Sky Zoo'salbum this year?
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Excuse me, I don't know, I don't know, I probably
got it close to the middle,maybe to the back half, maybe
the back half it was justoutside of my top 10.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I think I had it at like 13 for last year, so if you
put that into this year itmight crack the top 10 so far
yeah I doubt it.
I mean, I'm just gonna behonest with you it didn't have a
lot of staying power with me,although I really liked the
album.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I liked the album too , but no, it's not going to.
I mean, we're about to talkabout one of the projects that
I've actually enjoyed most thisyear.
It's like no Shaitan's on fire.
It's like I like the I Am Godproject better.
I like Mike Rufus' projectbetter.
Absolutely it's moreentertaining, and we're going to
talk about this in a minutebecause I feel like we need to
(21:49):
start talking about it, becausewe are going to talk about Rufus
and Ill City's production joband I am God and just the
Chicago culture of emceeingright now.
This is what I'm about to say.
It's not just that the guys canrap, it's that they're
entertaining while they rap.
I found myself entertained bythis Rufus Sims album.
(22:09):
Highly Like I hear the bars,but I found myself entertained.
I catch the bars quick.
You know what I'm saying.
Like I know he can rap, youknow what I'm saying.
I love the theme of this albumand how they literally
interpreted and took pieces ofold, dirty bastard interviews
(22:30):
and interluded them throughout.
Yes, yeah, footage that a lotof people maybe haven't heard.
I like the project was verywell put together.
This is the type of projectwhen I listened to it I thought
(22:52):
to myself no, I sound like amajor artist put it together,
sound like a major producer putit together.
If Death Jam were to wrap thisproduct up, you wouldn't say
anything about it.
You'd be like man, these skitsand these interludes are really
thoughtful and really reallywoven together between some
really great music and somereally dope cypher type of beats
(23:12):
for really great MCs to rhymeon.
He has a cadence and a style tome that actually, even though
he's from Chicago, it kind ofcomes off to me like a schoolboy
cue and an MC hustle, and Imean that in a complimentary way
.
I started hearing someschoolboy Q type of cadence Like
sometimes like Q's early shit,q would be off kilter but on
(23:34):
beat.
You know what?
I'm saying I hear that when Ihear Rufus.
But I mean that it's likethat's one of those hard tricks
to pull off in rap.
And I can see why the old DirtyBastard theme comes into play,
because old Dirty Bastard islike the king of the off-kilter
style, and so I can even seestylistically where he's coming
from, because when I listen tohis flow and his delivery, his
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approach, he's one of those guys, like some guys can rhyme to
the hi-hat because their flow isoff-kilter anyway.
So they don't got to rap to theboom, boom, boom.
They can rap to the shh.
He can rap to that because hehas an off-kilter style.
And so I loved what he did,flow and delivery-wise, while
(24:18):
maintaining a high level oflyricism.
It is one of my favoriteprojects this year.
I was super impressed by thebeats from Ill City on this
project.
I thought the production onhere was stellar.
Shout out to Ill City foranother dope production job.
Shy's on fire right now, guys,and it's just, you know, it's
time for us to fucking pull up.
So those are my thoughts.
We can give it an officialnumber after y'all, talk, y'all
(24:40):
shit.
But those are just my earlythoughts about listening to the
project today and talk y'allshit.
But those are just my earlythoughts about listening to the
project today.
Here's my last thought.
The project was long.
It's hard to get for me tolisten to a project that long
and be entertained.
That's what I mean.
It's like.
Oh no, these guys are pros nowat this point, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
When I saw this album cover, I'm sold already, right.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I'm sold.
It's a Wu-Tang.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Forever it's Wu-Tang forever, right, wu-tang, forever
.
You got my attention right likeCaptain Candy said, you got my
attention right so I'm bought in.
And then I started hearing,like you said, the themes from
Dirty and I started hearing justthe entertainment part of it.
This album has a lot ofcharacter to it.
It does when you think aboutalbums and you think about, just
(25:26):
you know, some album rappity,rap, flow, flow, all of this and
that which is great, beats andeverything which is great, but
where's the character?
And this album has greatcharacter, well, that's here.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Well, that's where he reminded me of q a lot, because
I'm like, oh no, he can rap,rap, like he's a rapper's type
of rapper, but he's got a styleand a content base where it's
like oh no, there's more to itthan just the entertaining part
of his style.
Facts.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Facts, even when I hit a posse cut.
And again it's kind of go backto you, sarah, you're cool by
Chicago.
Chicago has something to sayagain and this is a different
type of Chicago bop.
This is not, you know, jay,this is not drill.
This is like taking you back tothe essence of Chicago hip hop.
(26:13):
When you think about whenCommon started like really
landing those big punches, whenyou're talking about just the
dexterity of his rhymes, theseguys, yeah, these guys I Am God
Rufus, like the collective ofall these guys that we've been
hearing the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
They are more twister and common in do or die than
they are.
Kanye and Chief Keith yeah,absolutely.
And Dirk like, yeah, yeah, theydefinitely more of that Matter
of fact.
I Am God on his verse on hereliterally went from a common
(26:53):
flow to a twister flow.
I think it was like eight barsin, I think it was either on his
sixth bar or on his eighth bar.
He literally sped up and rappedtwister style for about four
bars on this record.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I'm maintaining a high level of lyricism.
That's I.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Am showing off, that's I Am showing off.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
It was a show off.
It was a definite show off.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Relax, you get it you in the bag, you in the pocket
right now no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
When he did it, when he did it, that's how I felt too
I was like oh he's he like ohno, no, I hear to beat all types
of ways yeah, yeah, yeah, he'sshowing off right now.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
But for me, when you talk about, when you talk about
the album itself cool, I agreewith you.
I feel like this is one ofthose albums that the more you
listen to it, the more you'reentertained by it, because you
start.
I listened to it the first timeI said okay, I got it.
Second time I missed that.
Well, I missed that, and that'swhat I'm looking for in an
album.
I'm looking at things that Ican pick up along.
(27:51):
On my second, on my third, goaround with the album and that's
what I found about I Am Godlast album.
You go back and listen.
I listened to that one, right,because I wanted to hear it next
to each other.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I wanted to hear it next to each other.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Yeah, and shout out to Ill City because the beat's
crazy again and it's like he'sin the back Now he's showing off
, now I am showing off.
You got Rufus giving you thecharacter.
He's giving you a lot of thepanache, if you will, in this
album and it feels great.
It feels great to hear an albumthat's so entertaining that
(28:25):
you're not focused so much oneverything else around it but
you focus on the entertainmentpiece of it.
It goes back to Return of theThirties and Chambers.
It's one of the most.
It's one of those albums thatyou can just listen to and you
don't have to bust your brain tolisten to it, if that makes
sense.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
It's just entertaining.
It's fun to listen to it, ifthat makes sense.
It's just entertaining.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
It's fun to listen to .
Speaker 1 (28:46):
It's entertaining, even the crazy stuff that gets
crazy.
For you you're like man that'scrazy, but it's really fun.
It gets crazy yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
For sure shout out to those guys, man, what you got
to eat.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Dope reviews by the two of you.
Unfortunately for me I didn'tget a chance to listen to it.
I was gonna listen to it thismorning but I had some work
across my desk that wasunexpected so I had to tap into
that.
But from what I gather, fromwhat you all say like the
production is top notch from illcity you know what I mean
coming off the I am god project.
So I'm definitely lookingforward to that.
(29:23):
When I saw the album cover whenI was getting ready to download
it, like Sean, it got me rightout the gate Okay, oh, this
looks interesting.
You know he's taking theconcept from Old Dirty Bastards
Return to the 36 Chambers, sothat had me really intrigued.
So I like what you said, coop,because it looked like that the
album has a cohesive themethroughout.
(29:45):
You know what I mean, becausethat's one thing that's missing
from hip-hop nowadays iscohesive themes and people
really curating projects andputting them together, because
we're in a microwave streamingsociety and people don't put
that much care in albums anymore.
So I'm excited to hear thataspect of the album, to have a
concept leaning into the olddirty um bastard thing and then,
(30:05):
you know, really putting ittogether from a solid front to
back project.
So I'm really excited to tapinto that um this weekend and
for the hill city production.
You know I'm saying so.
Shout out to the camp, shoutout to I am god and shout out to
rufus sure so hill city on thisproject.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
To me, I think this is a better production job than
city of gods, that's saying alot that's saying a lot.
I'm not saying that the beatsare better, necessarily, and
this is why I'm saying it's abetter production job.
Oh, he had to experiment morebecause of who the artist is as
a producer, and so, from theperspective of if we're going to
(30:44):
look at it on some Wu-Tang shit, it's like, well, I Am God
would be closer to a GZA or aRay.
They're easier to construct abeat for because of
fundamentally how they rhyme,how they.
Oh, it's harder to make a beatfor Old Dirty Bastard.
(31:05):
It's harder to make a beat forOld Dirty Bastard.
It's harder to make a beat forRufus.
You get what I'm saying.
It's more challenging.
Because they're unorthodox, it'sa more challenging come-off for
the producer, and so the factthat I think the production jobs
are comparable about,stylistically, what you have to
do to make the great thingsabout this artist shine as a
(31:25):
producer oh well, he did thatexceptionally well on this
project in my opinion, andstylistically, because he is
more unorthodox than I am, god,I do think it makes it a better
production job just to that.
If we just going down to thenitty-gritty about like the
beats and stuff, it's like it'svery comparable, and so I'm
going to give the edge becauseof the unorthodox style with
(31:46):
rufus rhymes with, which is whatstood out to me when I heard
him on I am god's project, youknow right I was like.
I was like oh no, his style isunorthodox.
But he's in pocket on the beatand he's still catching it.
You know there's that thatpeople have an unorthodox style
oftenly, are more musicallyinclined sometimes than even
that they realize, becausethey're actually catching the
musical timing of it and not thetraditional 16-bar format
(32:09):
timing of it.
They're actually catching itlike a sheet of music, not like
a program machine.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, and to your point, they're more entertaining
too.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It's always more entertaining because you want to
figure out man how the fuck didhe put those words together and
then make it fit, and then makeit fall, well, it keeps you off
balance?
Yeah, there's definitely allthat.
So I mean, Sean, we can kind ofwait for AG to give it an
official ranking.
I am going to reach out toRufus when all this is done, and
maybe Ill City and I.
Man, we just need to haveeverybody on.
But yeah, I think we need tobring rufus on and give him some
(32:42):
shine for this project.
Um, I don't want to date it tooearly, but, sean, I was
thinking this is somewherebetween a four and a 4.25.
Honestly, I agree I agree.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yeah, I mean the production alone get you in the
door for right he'll see,they're crazy in the production
alone.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
He did beats on here.
Crazy they are, yeah so, yeah.
So I mean, ag, we'll kind ofwait until we give, like the
official, the official Hip HopTalks final review, and I want
to listen to it.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yeah, I'm tapping into that tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Well, I've listened to it two times.
I do like to give somethingthat third listen before I
finalize it, but I did thinkthat the project was good enough
that we needed to discuss ittoday and not let any more time
pass.
Check out Rufus Sims.
Ill Dirty Rufus tentativelysomewhere between the 4 or 4.25
for Hip Hop Talks.
We'll see what AG thinks.
I'll come back with a timerating as well.
No pressure, no pressure.
(33:32):
It's a definite 4,.
Ag, I think you're going to behard-pressed to hear this
project and say that it's not a4, though At least that's what
I'm saying Gathering, just fromwhat y'all are saying, I'm
expecting that for sure.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
When the album was ending, when I got that.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Listening to the second time I was like, oh no,
this is a 4.25.
It's pretty damn good.
Yeah, I was impressed.
We know that they'reindependent artists, but you
wouldn't know it anymore.
I don't even know it.
Like, how about this?
The music that the dudes in theshop is making right now?
It's like they may give me aquestion what an independent
artist is in these days andtimes, because they sound more
professional and polished thanmost of the guys that they
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actually are telling me are theprofessional and polished
artists.
They're professional andpolished artists that are
putting together projects likethis with these skits woven
together with features placed inthe right places for the right
people to rap over certain typeof beats.
It's not, you know what I'msaying.
So it's like who the pros andwho the indies really?
You know what I'm saying?
Who really outside?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Well, here's the thing it sounds like the
approach is the difference makerthat separates them from other
indie artists, the care and theapproach that they're putting
into all their projects.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
So yeah, I was say this, I and and we can kind of
leave it like here and slide,slide to somebody a little bit
more notarized maybe but Istarted feeling today when I
listened to this project.
That's how that griselda shitstarted, that's how this project
started to make me feel.
It's like, oh no, like you know, because here's the thing, like
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, and you guys know this, oh no,west side had been putting it
down for a minute by himself, Ithink.
Conway stepped in and thenbenny stepped in, and when benny
stepped in is when it became athing.
And so when I heard this rufusproject, it's like, oh no, we've
been talking, I am god, shit.
And this rufus project isprobably the first project that
I've heard from other camps andI've heard some other stuff and
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it's been good, but this is thefirst one.
I was like, okay, I'm like ohshit, hold on that momentum, you
know what I'm saying.
When cats keep getting aroundeach other and it happened, and
it only take one dude like I amGod to really kind of like
ignite the flame and everybodyelse start believing, start
working a little harder, gettingmore beats, spend a little bit
more time together doing moreshows, more people in the city
start.
You know what I'm saying.
We start talking about it more.
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That's how shit really issupposed to groove.
You know what I'm saying?
And this album gave me thatfeel Dope.
All right On to Playboi Carti's.
I Am Music, you Are Not.
Next topic.
All right, glad we had this onHip.
Hop.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Talks no, no, no.
Did you listen to the?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
album.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah, can I Once?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Man first of all.
First of all, I want to say Igot I Am God in the chat, Don't
nobody care about.
No, I Am music.
Next.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
I got a quick funny story, since we talked about
Dirty.
I think I texted this to Sean.
So this Friday evening me andmy kids are riding around in the
whip and my son's like yo dadput that Playboy Cardi on and
I'm like man, I mean.
I listen to the.
I was like I heard the Kendricktrack or whatever he was like,
(36:35):
but put the whole album on.
I was like man, cardi'sunlistenable for me and I'm okay
with that.
I recognize that I'm old andCardi's for you, young kids, I'm
cool with that.
It's a generational gap, youknow.
He's unlistenable for me.
And my son was like, well, Ifeel you, but at least tap in
for the features.
He's like travis got a firefeature on there weekend, on
there, kendrick, he's like atleast tap in for the feature, so
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you know.
So I was like all right.
So I put the, put the record onlisten and I was like man, I
can't do this.
So I was just like if I'm gonnalisten to something that's kind
of wild, unorthodox, outside ofthe box or whatever, I at least
wanted to sound dope, you knowwhat I mean.
I said I'll put on some old,dirty bastard and god love her.
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My daughter in the back seat,13 years old, chimed in and said
yeah, put on Nutmeg byGhostface, I'm sold, god love it
.
You know what I'm saying.
So I was like that's my childfrom my own heart, right there.
You know what I'm saying.
If I would listen to her bounceout of the box on Unorthodox
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talk about wild stuff.
She was like put on Nutmeg.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Cool, I'll say this and then we can move on.
I felt in the beginning I feltbad because I'm like man, I want
to be able to give a solidcritique, but I'm like, I want
to be authentic to myself.
I listened to the first threesongs and then I turned it off
and I listened to some JayHoliday and it had me thinking
that Jay Holiday, um, and it hadme, holiday was actually he had
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he had a moment.
Then I played four or five, sixmore songs.
Then I went back and listenedto a little bit of Bobby
Valentino and I was like man,bobby Valentino had a moment as
well when he you know, he had tojump and nod, slow down, remix
and all of that.
And I listened to Cardi againand I just turned it off and I
couldn't do it no more Because Ifind myself going to other
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random music.
Jay Holiday is random, bobbyValentino is random.
I started listening to justrandom shit, just to try to get
out of it.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Bobby Valentino actually lives on my side of
town.
I know his hangout spot.
We go to the same hangout spot.
Sometimes he's got cool spottygames like that.
He we go to the same hangoutspot, sometimes he's got cool
spotty games like that.
He be there all the time.
Tell him to give a shout.
I won't be doing that.
Bobby.
Don't be acting right towardsthe staff sometimes, but cool.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
I find myself going to listen to some random stuff.
I even listen to one of yourfavorite songs, Kiss Me Through
the Phone by Kiss Me.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Through the Phone.
First of all, it's not Kiss Methrough the wall First of all
it's not kiss me through thephone that I'm a fan of.
It's like you with Bow Wow andSierra that I'm a fan of.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
That's the one.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
It's the cotton candy ass rap songs that I like
together.
That's the cotton candy rapsong that I like, not the Soulja
Boy song, the Bow Wow song, theCC Right.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
I had to listen to some random stuff.
The more the story is.
I had to listen to some randomstuff just to get my mind off
the Playboy or Cardi Apple.
No disrespect intended, it'snot for me and I'm okay with
that.
I'm not going to cap, I'm notgoing to go here and pander to
it.
I'm okay with it not being forme.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
With that being said, can we move on?
No, Well, I actually didn'tgive my review.
Go ahead, AG.
No, go ahead Coop.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
We'll come back to the whole Kendrick of the whole
thing, because I had a questionfor you all, but go ahead, coop.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
First of all, a couple of things, a couple of
things that I care about.
Rufus said in the chat there'sabout six or seven of them.
It's very Wu-Tang-ish, that'sdope.
We need to be checking for that.
Second of all, the bar that Isee Bobby Valentino at is not a
gay bar, you assholes.
It's a whole restaurant.
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No, me and Bobby V don't havematching robes.
No, I don't speak to Bobby Vwhen we're at the same bar when.
No, I don't speak the bodylanguage when we're at the same
bar, when I'm at this bar.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
I'm mutual.
This is wild, this is wild.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
This is why it's not safe to live in Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
It's not, it's really not Not safe out there Having
met rules and speaking ofAtlanta, Playboy Cardi is from
down here.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
What I will tell you is that what I really took away
from this album is that man,young Thug, is really a legend
because he has fathered a wholestyle down here that has enabled
people or you could say it'sfuture, if you want.
He comes off as more of a thugtype of protege, which is just
offshoot of future in me anyway.
But it's like no, they'veliterally created a whole genre
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of music and really I thinkPlayboi Carti's problem is that,
well, he's not future, he's notthug.
So it's like it's not as good,because if you want to listen to
what he does, go listen to thefuture, go listen to thug.
And so I think for and listento what I'm about to say for
what box he actually fits in.
(41:23):
He has some of the sameproblems that, like a big crit
and a Wale have on a certainlevel, if that makes sense, like
where it's like, oh no, likeyou're dope at what you do, it's
just like you know the guysbefore you did it better, and so
it don't hit as hard as itshould.
But I didn't enjoy the album atall, if you really must know.
I didn't enjoy that, but Ididn't enjoy the album at all.
(41:43):
If you really must have Ididn't.
I didn't enjoy that and you cansay that I'm old and that I'm
out of touch and get off my lawn.
I'll tell you that Georgia is ashoe that will stay.
You should get off my lawnanyway.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
So you don't get shot , it's fine.
I got a couple quick thoughtsbefore we move on.
Number one I know Cardi was,you know, out of it.
I ain't going to say he was outof the game, but he did drop a
project for over five years.
But 30 tracks of Cardi is a lot.
This is what I mean.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
You know he has such a big following that he went on
tour last year.
He went on tour last year with7 Out Stadiums.
He sold out 7 out last year.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
That's the next one.
I was going to make the numbersfor this album.
Actually, the album did reallywell and I never thought I would
see this.
But Kendrick has now become thenew stimulus package for you
know what I'm saying featureartists.
He's on three tracks on here.
One is only worth talking aboutthe good credit joint.
But you know, drake was thestimulus package for artists
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before, but now it's kind offunny seeing Kendrick in that
position.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
No, no, AG, we're not giving him that much credit.
He'd been hearing me talkingshit about that guest appearance
catalog.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Well, yeah, he's more collaborative now.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Well, that light pack he called a guest catalog.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Well, that's what.
That's what I was alluding to,cause I had a conversation with
one of my homies and he was likeyou know what he was like, I
don't even rock with Kendrick,like that.
He said, but I would figurethese Playboy Cardi features are
beneath him, he's like to me,they like cheaping him.
And I was like what do you mean?
And he was like somebody of hisilk, somebody of like what he
represents, getting on a recordwith Cardi, kind of cheapens who
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he is.
And I didn't think he wouldmake that move and I said, well,
I disagree, because if you'regoing to be that guy to hold
down that number one position,you got to make yourself more
visible rounds correct you got,you got to make the features and
stuff like that.
Because listening to the goodcredit song, I know people are
over hyping it up, but he reallyphoned that record in y y'all.
(43:44):
Let's be for real, let's behonest.
And he did something familiarIf you listen to the flow and
the cadence on there.
He's in his euphoria bag but hereally phoned it in lyrically,
you know what I'm saying.
But he's in that euphoria bag.
So when you hear it you're likeokay, that's something familiar
.
So you kind of recycling andI'm not saying it's a bad thing,
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because rappers do it all thetime like how you know, TV Off
and Squabble Up is, in a way,recycled, not like us.
You know what I mean and thisis a Right, same BPM.
Stuff like that.
Once you get something out ofthe park and it's a hit.
You know, you kind of stick tothat formula, but I think he did
that here.
But I didn't agree with myhomie with what he said because,
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yeah, it may you know, quote,unquote, mr Morale and all that
stuff to get on a Cardi record.
But if you're that number oneguy you have to do that.
You have to be more visible.
You have to do these features.
That's going to touch adifferent audience because a lot
of people who are Playboy Cardifans are not generally Kendrick
fans.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
So he has to do those records.
Let me give you some pushback.
He don't have to do thoserecords.
See, he feels the pressure ofall the things that he hasn't
done that we've been talkingabout.
He does Because here's thereality of the matter.
Oh no, he's been big for a longtime and he was the man before
and still chose not to do this,like when he was at his actual
what I feel artistic, lyricaland creative peak nary.
(45:09):
A verse you could get out ofhim now.
So it does seem like somebody istrying to correct past wrongs,
but here's what it does andhere's where your friend might
be right about the cheapening.
It's like fam, unless you'vegiven us some album verse of the
year, type of contender versusthe way our all our other
legendary mcs have guestappearances like that.
Like, think about this some ofour favorite verses from some of
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our favorite mcs ain't even onthey damn albums.
Some of our favorite versesfrom some of our favorite guys
are not even on their album.
Like some of my favoritescarface stuff is the stuff he
did with Beans, mac and Brad.
I love Mac and Brad, that'ssome of my favorite face and
Beans stuff.
You know what I'm saying.
He doesn't have enough of thosemoments.
(45:53):
That's what I mean.
It's like, oh no, where's theback and forth between Schoolboy
Q and Kendrick?
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Right, those are the guest appearances.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
We wanted that.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
We didn't get right, right, and I think you said is
to write previous wrongs, but Ithink it's more so of replacing
the person who was in that spotbefore, like, okay, I took this
person down, I got to replacewhat they did in that space,
because even with 50, when heeliminated Ja Rule, he went to
sing songy route to to inheritJa's fan base, did he not?
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You kind of have?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
to do that AG you got actually were in my head
because I thought about 50 whenI thought about this.
And here's the difference Now,50 didn't just sing like Ja Rule
, he did all the things that JaRule could do and then he did
yeah, right.
So there wasn't just the 21questions, there was an in the
club, there was a wankster,there was a back down, there was
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a mini-man.
It's like, oh no, he hit youwith everything that he had, not
just the thing that hiscompetitor had, he hit you with
everything.
And here's just the reality ofthe matter.
No, drake has made a lot ofthese records hits, like a lot
of those records that drakefeatured on are hits because
drake featured on it with akendrick feature.
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It's now officially become didhe say anything about drake on
the record?
And I don't know if thatnecessarily translates to hit
making ability, the way Drake'sprime looks what up jar that's
fair.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
And before anybody says that I'm hating on Kendrick
, just know that I spent madbread the other day because I'm
taking my daughter to see SZAand Kendrick for the uh, the
stadium tour.
So before anybody says I'mhating on Kendrick, just gave
Kendrick mad bread.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
So you want to know what I need to see when he's
coming.
I guess that would be a goodgraduation present for my
daughter.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
We're pulling up to Charlotte.
Man, come through, charlotteyou coming to Charlotte May 3rd.
My daughter's birthday is onthe 24th, so that's a birthday
present.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Okay, graduation is May 22nd though.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Yeah, my son graduated.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Graduation is like May 22nd, though May 31st, we
locked up till graduation dayreally.
I won't be there good to bewatching kids succeed.
We know you won't be there goodto be watching our kids succeed
.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Sean will be at the Bobby Valentino and a Jay
Holiday concert in state withfive honey packs.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
With five honey packs oh, old school VHS looking like
an old school essay.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Oh man, shout out to Bobby Valentino.
For real though.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Valentino got some hits.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Bobby Valentino getting this much airtime on Hip
Hop Talks tonight.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
It is crazy.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Cut that shit.
Anniversaries AG speaking ofKendrick to Pimple Butterfly,
March 15, 2015.
Is to Pimple Butterfly?
A classic?
Is to Pimple Butterfly,Kendrick's best work?
Overall thoughts and synopsison to Pimple Butterfly, Mad Max,
don't you say shit?
Speaker 3 (49:06):
My favorite thing about this album is it dropped
on my birthday.
My birthday is March 15th, sothat's my favorite thing about
that.
But yes, if I'm being objective, it's a classic.
Because the people say so, do Iconsider it a classic?
I personally don't hold it likethat.
I would say it's his fourthbest album to me because I even
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put gnx over to pimp to pimp abutterfly.
I don't I don't hold it likethat, as most people do.
Um, but my favorite kendrickrecord of all time is on here.
How much a dollar costs.
Love that record.
It goes back and forth betweeneither that or Duckworth for my
favorite song of his all time.
But King Kunta I I mean there'ssome records on here, but
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overall I wasn't a fan of theproduction.
It's real jazzy, kind of like amodern, what you would think a
modern tribe album would soundlike.
And I've always had one thoughtin particular about To Pimp a
Butterfly and it might be anunpopular opinion, but my
thought that was always that Nasis, and people are going to say
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I'm blazing Nas or whatever,but Nas' untitled album ran, so
To Pimp a Butterfly could fly Inmy opinion, because the themes
that's on that album of Untitled.
I think in 2008, when Nasdropped the N-word album, the
world wasn't ready for it, right?
But when you get around to ToPimp a Butterfly coming out, a
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lot of the white media was ableto grab a hold of it and do
these think pieces on it,because Kendrick is a little bit
more safe with the samemessaging and he made it more
palatable and digestible forthat group to take.
So am I saying Untitled is abetter album than To Pimp a
Butterfly?
I'm not saying that I prefer it, but I'm not saying it's better
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.
But what I'm saying is Untitledis a necessary thing to happen
so we can eventually get to ToPimp a Butterfly and it be
heralded the way that it isrespectfully, I do not agree
with any of that.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
no, and I'm going to tell you why I don't agree with
that, and this is where I'mactually going to give Kendrick
some credit, so people will stopcalling me a hater.
Hit your record buttons, screenrecord this y'all.
The main thing that I actuallyremember and how To Pimp a
Butterfly made me feel afterlistening to the first time was
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this was the concise andconcerted and focused effort
that Untitled was not.
The song structure is better,the songs and this is probably
the only time you're going tohear me say this about a Nas
project that is pretty wellwritten.
It's like, oh no, kendrick, toPimple Butterfly is more well
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written than Untitled.
The songs are better.
The songs have a fullness tothem that are equimini.
It takes a nation of millionslevels like in terms of
completing a song from beginningto end, giving it all the
crannies and little things tomake the song complete.
Untitled is uneven.
Speaker 3 (52:16):
I agree with all that .
But what I'm asking you'retalking about the quality of the
records and the album itself.
I'm talking about thematicallyis what I'm bringing up.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
I just I get what you're saying.
How about this?
I feel like Untitled is a microview of our black social
conditions.
It's Nas taking micro pieces ofour black condition like fried
chicken and exposing thedichotomy of those macro things.
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Pimple Butterfly is a macroeffort.
It's an overall synopsis of theBlack culture.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Which makes it more digestible and palatable for
audiences.
That's not from our culture, iswhat I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Because it is delivered in a way that feels
more fully conceptualized thanuntitled.
But that's the macro effect,that's fair, the micro effect.
So I would agree with you onthat.
Yes, is it a classic?
I'm going to have to tell youthat it is.
It's one of the morewell-written pieces of work in
hip-hop history.
It has just enough specialrecords on there, in my opinion,
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to call it a classic.
I'm with you, ag.
I think how Much a Dollar Costsis his best song.
I go between how Much a DollarCosts and Real off Good Kid Mad
City.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
Those are my two.
We forgot Mortal man.
Mortal man Like yeah, oh no, Iwas about to get to Mortal man.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
That's what I mean when I say there's just enough
classic stuff on here.
Because on here, because mortalman is a is what I like to call
an instant classic record.
How much a dollar cost is ainstant classic record?
I think these walls is.
When I heard these walls I waslike this is this record, could
have went on a quimini and itwouldn't have lost a step on a
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quimini, and I do think a fewalbums that's gotten five mics
that actually earned every micthat it got.
We'll be talking about that alittle bit later too, and so I
do think that it's a classic,but I'm going to say the same
thing that I already said aboutit it's hard to ride to that
shit, especially after 15minutes.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
Where do you rank it in the catalog?
Speaker 1 (54:21):
When I go back and listen to it now.
Ok, so it all depends on howyou really want to rank things.
Do I enjoy listening to damnmore than I do listening to Pimp
a Butterfly?
I sure do.
I can't in clear conscience tellyou that it's better, because
when he hits onto Pimp aButterfly he hits like, I'm
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sorry, like as much as I thinkDuckworth is brilliant, I think
how Much a Dollar Costs is oneof the more brilliant
storytelling moments in thehistory of rap and I think it's
one of the more thoughtfulmoments where we talk about God
in a manner that is trulydigestible.
It might be the most digestiblesong where we actually where
God is the focus in the historyof rap.
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It's like that.
It's that special.
So when you're hitting yourmark like that as a writer, when
you're making cultural anthems,like all right, when you're
making thematic things that hitlike mortal man, mama said you
know hood politics?
Yeah, it's, there's some stuffon there's, there's some stuff
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on there.
There's some stuff on there, Ican't deny.
So I'm still going totentatively tell you that it's
his second best album.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Yeah, y'all in the chat.
That was cool, being fullyobjective giving Kendrick praise
man.
Don't say this dude hating onKendrick man, like how about
this.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
He gave him his love man Because he won the Pulitzer
for this right.
No, that was for Damn See.
I think that's backwards.
That's what I would tell you Ifyou told me that he won the
Pulitzer it might have been amake-up situation.
They might have thought well, hedeserves a Pulitzer, a make-up
situation, because this is whatI mean about it.
Oh no, this is one of the fewrap albums that actually
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deserves a pulitzer.
Like it takes a nation, uh,death certificate.
You know, like it's one ofthose types of albums in terms
of the social commentary beingso long lasting, so important,
but so concise and so woven.
In a way, the problem is thatyou can't ride to it.
I would tell you that the beatscould have been better.
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Because of that, like I feellike the beats could have been
better.
Because of that, I feel likethe producer could have made it
more digestible, becauseKendrick is so concise and so
intense and so in-vents and sohell-bent on achieving his goal
and his message on here.
It's like no, I feel like theproducer should have gave him
more shit to ride to.
So I'd say the biggest problemwith this album isn't Kendrick,
it is the production.
It's fair, that's fair.
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Now we'll go to an album thatdoesn't deserve a music
anniversary, but we're talkingabout it anyway, and that's
Prime 2 by Royce Da 5'9" a DJpremiere March 16th 2018.
Somebody tell me why the hellwe're talking about this album.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yo, that's crazy, it's.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
AG moving out Am I wild you talking about Prime?
Speaker 3 (57:04):
2.
I think the first one's aclassic.
But as far as this one, thefirst one's a classic.
This one I don't like as much.
Yeah, it's a personal classic,it's not a renowned classic but
for me it's a personal classic.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
I really enjoy Prime 1 classic.
Speaker 3 (57:21):
It's hard what this duo brings.
When we talk about who had youbrought this up last show, who
has the most chemistry withPrimo, I think, outside of Guru,
and then the obvious answerswould be Nas.
We talked about Big Jay Jay Rue.
I brought up AZ.
Remember we was talking aboutthe format and surprisingly,
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nobody brought up Royce.
This combination, like Boom, isone of Premier's best works.
You know what I mean.
And I think Royce over Primoproduction is a dope marriage.
I think the thing that it's adope concept.
But I think why this onesuffers is the box that they put
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themselves in when they came upwith the concept of what each
Prime album would be.
They take, if you don't know,they take the production and
sample from one producer, oneproducer's catalog, and Primo
chops up all the beats from that.
The first one was based offproducer adrian young and then
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the second one, prime two, wasbased off the production of
ant-man wonder.
And that's challenging to limityourself to one person's
catalog to sample from.
You know what I mean.
Like somebody like risen coulddo that masterfully.
I feel like you know what I'msaying because, would you say,
sean 36 chambers only had like ahandful of samples on their
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period.
You know, yeah, the way he wasjust chopping stuff was crazy.
But I think the second onesuffered from the box that they
put themselves in to just takefrom one person's catalog on the
samples and stuff.
But I still think it's a solideffort and I'm looking forward
to prime three they're doinganother one, yeah.
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I mean it's gonna be on hold tothis Nas joint drop, I assume.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (59:14):
I don't wanna hear you thought it was gonna come
first better stop fuckingplaying.
Alright, better stop playing.
First of all, nobody told them,nobody told these niggas to be
taking just samples from oneproducer and making an album out
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of it.
Nobody asked you to do that.
Nobody told you to do that, andso I'm going to be honest with
you.
I really enjoy Prime.
I thought Prime was a sleeperalbum of the sleeper album of
the year the year that it cameout.
It might have been one of myfive favorite projects that year
.
I did not enjoy Prime 2.
I did not.
I did not find it to beproductive.
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There's not a standout micperformance on there, in my
opinion.
There's not a standout beat onthere, in my opinion, and I wish
that these niggas would drop aprime three when you've been
promising me a nas and djpremiere album.
That, by the way, I told all ofy'all.
See when I be right, don'tnobody say nothing.
Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
They'd be like no, you said it wasn't dropping.
You said it wasn't dropping.
Last year I told you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
I told you this time last year.
I was like, yeah, I said so,ilmatic's 30 years old.
You think you getting a djpremiere nas album the year?
Ilmatic is turning 30 and I'mthe one that's done hard drugs
like Kanye.
Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
But for the record, though, I think this one's a 3.5
.
The first prime I give a 4.5,so their overall discography is
a 4 In my book.
Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Respectable.
Let's keep it moving, fellas.
Let's get into some news.
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Yeah, erykah Badu and alchemists are working on a
project.
Guys, it's like we'll miss youout we'll miss you first of all,
first thing I was thinking iswell, no, no, I was thinking
well, don't both of them havelike green eyes?
So maybe if they stare witheach other, the reflection will
keep him from being hypnotizedlike everybody else has been,
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because everybody else has beenhypnotized, they're in trouble.
Like you know, if you stay inthe studio with her too long,
she can be like the Virgin Maryshe can just conceive right
there.
It's like immaculate conceptionshit going on with Badu.
It's a very dangerous situation.
I am looking forward to thefact that Erykah Badu can rap
y'all.
And what if this is an ErykahBadu rap album is actually what
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I thought about when I heardthis, because she's very
stylistically, she's veryBahamadi or Lauryn Hill-ish on
the mic, like when she actuallyrap raps.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
It's an interesting concept, but I didn't think
about that until you just saidit.
But we could be gettingsomething like that.
Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
I only say that because when I heard this, you
know what I thought about.
Some of the first freestyles Iever kicked were over the beats
to Baduism.
Because that was the thingabout Baduism that kind of made
it so funky and different forthe time.
See, mary was rapping over EastCoast hip-hop beats.
Badu was swaying on shit thatyou could cipher to, no matter
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where you were from.
You know what I'm saying, yep,and so when I heard that she was
pairing with Alchemist, I'mlike, is Badu going to give us
some 16s?
And here's the next thing thatI thought Sean and you listen to
this wherever you are.
You listen to this too in thebackground somewhere.
Oh, she better not give me arap album before Lauryn Hill
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give me a rap album.
Let this be a rap album.
And Lauryn Hill ain't gave meno rap album.
Erykah Badu, give me a LaurynSean you know I'm going ooh,
that's possible.
Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
That is possible.
I'm telling you that.
Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
I will be on here and be like and today is day number
4,976 that Lauryn Hill has notmade a full wrap.
I will come on here.
It better not happen.
She better be singing andscatting like Ella Fitzgerald on
these Alchemist beats.
For the sake of Lauryn Hill, Iwill come on here and I will
show my ass, and that's all Igot.
Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
It may happen.
I'm looking forward to it.
We'll see what comes from it.
I'm scared of Erykah Badu soI'm not going to say, but so
much Damn, coop and AG went out.
It's the Erykah Badu stuff.
See, that's what happens whenyou talk about Erykah Badu
(01:03:35):
Everything goes black.
Okay, cooper's back.
See, let's get up to the ErykahBadu conversation, because both
you and AG going black and justlike that, I'm by myself.
So, yeah, you're tuning in tothe best right now.
Erykah Badu, I'm out of here.
I'm not going to say anythingabout her at all, because
everybody else go black whenErykahcdew conversation comes up
.
So, um, I want to move on tosomething different.
As soon as coop and ag comesback.
Yeah, this don't feel goodright now.
(01:03:57):
Um, can somebody tell me a jokeor something, because I don't
know what's going on with theseguys.
This is crazy.
Yo, ag, come back.
Coop, come back.
Yo, this is crazy.
I'm the only one that got theinternet working in my house.
Ag and Coop, west Virginia.
You know what it looked likeover there.
All right, my bad, that wasjust calling my bad.
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That nigga's bouncing off.
That was everybody gettingtheir body off of here.
Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
No, no, no, no, no.
My sister was just calling me.
It kicked me out because mysister was calling me.
All right.
Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
Yo, let's move on, because that got crazy.
Let's move on.
Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
There's no telling what you were saying about
Erykah Badu.
I didn't say anything.
I was still here.
Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
I was still here because I didn't say anything
about Erykah Badu.
I'm afraid of her.
Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Always will be.
I got nothing to say bad aboutit.
Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Cam said she came at the same spot.
He said he left.
I'm not saying I'm not sayingI'm not saying I'm not playing.
So I met Erykah Badu once Iactually helped take care of.
You'd love to tell about it.
No, so Seven's fifth birthdayparty actually got held at my
job.
So I got to meet Erykah Baduand Andre Benjamin for the first
time on the same day becausethey were celebrating their
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son's birthday.
But the first thing I noticed Iwas like man, I was like Badu
got a small frame and a saddle.
That was in real time, you knowthis is before everybody had
really seen it.
This is before the Internet andlike all that other shit.
This is back in the day.
This is like early 2000s.
It's like, oh no, this is like,this is 2003,.
(01:05:35):
I think, yeah, about 2002, 2003.
Oh no, I seen her in real time.
I was like, oh, I see why Andrestuck.
Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
I saw her in.
Japan.
I saw her in 2000 in Japan.
She came over to Japan to do aconcert and that night I had
like a crazy dream.
I was being chased by a bunchof bulls and she was weird.
What the fuck I know?
I say the same thing.
That night I had a dream mydude had Sean in Spain.
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Now that is true.
This is real talk.
I can a dream, Badu and Sean inSpain.
Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Now, that is true.
Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
This is real talk.
I can't make this up.
I had a dream that I was beingchased by a bunch of bulls.
I mean, I don't even know why Imean Sean.
Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
I'm not going to lie to you, you know, because I live
in Atlanta.
Most of these women down hereare terrorists and Coochie is
probably a weapon of massdestruction, but I mean Badu,
the leader of the Taliban.
I don't know, Look it's bombsover Baghdad for real when she
show up.
Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
Okay, that state is like frankincense and myrrh and
I was like man, it's a strongmusk in the air.
I didn't know when she came onthe state it, it's a strong musk
in the air.
I didn't know when she came onstage what I could.
Storm the musk in the air.
It's kind of a musky idea, butit's not like a bad musk, it's
like a weird strong musk.
I'm like man.
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Something is happening.
I'm like man.
Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
And look here Badu's legend is so real.
Look here Badu's legend is soreal.
Look here One of my young G's,our mentor.
He pulled up on me one day.
He was like yo Coop, he's likewhen you post, he's like chicks
that listen to Badu.
They got locks and burn insets.
Snap their fingers to your shit, nigga.
She was like he's like, yourshit is dangerous.
(01:07:27):
Like Badu is dangerous.
This nigga like 27 years old,he calling Erica Badu dangerous,
yeah, crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Shout out to Al.
It was a nice run, al.
It was a nice run, uncle Al.
Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
When that musk hit the air.
I was like man, this kind oflittle musky in here, but it's
not bad.
It's no real earthy like MotherEarth.
Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
We just need to go.
We let Sean go too far.
Let's go.
Let's go to the end.
Time to come back.
Time to come back.
We're going to have our realconvo today.
We had a convo last week whenwe were doing anniversaries
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about Tupac's Me Against theWorld, and our dialogue, you
know, inspired me to do what Ifeel are Tupac's best 25 songs.
Now a lot of people like thelist and enjoy the list.
Some people have had somecritiques about some of the
stuff on the list, and so I kindof want to remind some people
(01:08:34):
about this list.
Pac is an icon and a legend andone of the first real
superstars that we had thateverybody knew outside of the
walls of hip hop.
So when I'm making my list, I'mmaking my list with the
entirety of his fan base in mind, not just us, right?
Too often when we make theselists we think about just us.
(01:08:56):
To quote Kendrick, there arepeople who are not like us.
Yeah, like that little Kendricklove the day.
Yeah, there are people who notlike us that love Tupac and that
listen to him for differentreasons.
Yeah, there are people who notlike us that love Tupac and that
listen to him for differentreasons, and so I tried to
encompass all of thoseexperiences into making the list
.
So a lot of people have beengiving me flack about how do you
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want it making the top 25.
Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Man, I thought this was pretty flawless.
Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Let me explain something to people.
How Do you Want it Is one ofPac's biggest crossover records.
Easily, easily.
There are people who do notknow.
I Get Around, keep your Head Up, tupac that know how Do you
Want it?
Tupac, because of how Do youWant it?
The first time that I heard howdo you want it, my mom had one
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white friend growing up I wasgrowing up.
It was a woman named Kathy.
The first time I ever heard howdo you want it was in Kathy's
Lexus, because Tupac was baldand was sexy and they made a
song she could sing along to.
He had crossed over into adifferent world.
I had realized even when I wasyounger, because my mom's only
white friend was bumping thisshit too.
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You feel what I'm saying?
Pac had that type of effect.
And also to understandsomething Pac is the first
rapper to really make a hitrecord and talk greasy while
he's making the hit record.
Are you listening to the stuffthat he's saying on?
How do you want to see DoloresTucker?
You a motherfucker.
Instead of trying to help anigga, you destroy your brother
Worse than the others.
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Bill Clinton, mr Bob Dole, youtoo old to understand the way
the game's told you lame, so Igot to hit you with the hot
facts.
I'm out of jail making millionsNiggas top that Niggas want to
sense to me.
They'd rather see me in my cellliving in hell.
Only a few of us will live totell.
Now everybody want to talkabout us.
I'll be the first one to bomband cuss nigga, tell me how you
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want it and you don't think thatshit's top 25, what's?
the party record, who on a partyrecord.
So when people are given andthis is what I'm about to say
when people give big all thiscredit for doing all of those
things on all his hit records,it's like, well, where do you
think he got it from exactly?
Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
Sidebar question.
Have y'all ever seen the uncutversion of the how Do you Want
it video?
Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
Have you ever heard the uncut version of how Do you
Want it?
Because Tupac actually wrotethat hook and sung it and Suge
got KC and JoJo because he'slike nah, he's like you can't
sing good enough and this isgoing to be a big record, let's
call the homies.
That's why, if you listen tothe end of how Do you Want it,
if you really listen to it, pacis laying the skeleton track,
(01:11:42):
because it's him singing thething but the uncut video,
though.
Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
They used to play that joint like let's see to
make another video on HBO, andthey had the uncut video.
This is before BET uncut, andlet me tell you the joint was
wild.
Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Wow, I think I picked some obvious choices Pain Pour
out on a little.
So many tears, dear Mama,california Love, that's what I
mean.
He's actually one of the fewartists that we have.
This was a super easy list tomake.
Guys like he was big and boldand bad, but his best stuff was
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right in front of you.
There was some stuff that Ikind of like went back and forth
about.
Like crazy off of macavelididn't make my list.
I thought about that for aminute um I only had one great.
Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
The only grab I had was but I don't know what I
would replace the only grab Ihad was changes, not making it I
thought about changes.
Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
So how about this?
I always thought I wonder ifheaven got a ghetto and changes
were the same record and Ithought, if I wonder if heaven
got a ghetto was always a betterrecord.
So that response.
Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
That's a fair justification in my book.
Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
Yeah, you got Crazy on there too, right.
Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
No.
I don't have Crazy on there.
Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Do you got the list in front of you for the people
that didn't see it?
Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
I got it right here.
No, I'm about to say I figuredSean probably had it there.
Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
I got it in front of God.
Troublesome 96 was one of theones that I thought about.
That's what I mean.
It's like, oh no, I could haveeasily did 50.
Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
That's what I mean.
And Coop said in no particularorder, so anybody throwing flack
his way by the order.
He said in no particular order.
Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
There are personal songs that I love more.
Some of these records thatdidn't make my list, like God
Bless the Dead, that's one of myfavorite pop records.
I love God Bless the Dead.
You know what I'm saying.
That's one of my shits.
You know what I mean.
Last Words with Ice-T and IceCube I love Last Words.
That's one of my favorite poprecords.
It's like so I didn't do it,like bury me a.
(01:13:43):
G yeah no there was plenty 50,but what I really tried to do is
I tried to take the recordsthat I felt like were his
biggest, most important and alsohis best songs that maybe
people weren't as acquaintedwith.
Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Yeah, you covered all bases.
For the ones that don't know,let's run through it real quick
and this is no particular order,but this is Coop's list.
Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
This is a dope list.
Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
I get around.
Keep your head up.
Pain, pour out a little liquor.
My block, dear mama.
So many tears.
Hail Mary, against all odds Tolive and die in LA, california.
Love Brenda's got a baby.
Ambitions as a rider, I ain'tmad at you.
No more pain.
How do you want it?
Picture me rolling, two ofAmerica's most wanted, if I die
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tonight, one of my favoritesHearts of men.
All about you, me and mygirlfriend.
I wonder if heaven got a ghettotemptations and all eyes on me.
Ok, so so.
So how about this?
Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
So how about this?
I was thinking like, ok, it'slike I I picked.
If I die tonight, do I pick adeath around the corner or do I
pick hearts of men?
It's like, do I feel deatharound the corner more I do?
What's the better beat?
Hearts of men.
What's the better delivery?
Hearts of men.
What's the better written song?
Hearts of men.
It's like the only thing thatdeath around the corner really
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got over hearts of men is thatthe content hits you on a more
personal level better when youare a young kid growing up in
the projects and you're havingsuicidal thoughts.
Not that kid anymore.
Hearts of Men is a betterrecord objectively.
You get what I'm saying.
So when people are talkingabout some of these POC records,
it's like you might be talkingabout where you was in life
because I had to separate myself.
Because you connect the POClike that.
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I had to separate myself frommy connection to the records to
do the list.
You know what I'm saying.
Because if that's the case,it's like death around the
corner is going in therepersonally over hearts of men.
Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
But when I listen to hearts of men and that fucking
beat drop, I'm like, oh no,that's shit, crazy, it's crazy
but you know what your list,list um, made me realize, though
I think it would be hard pressforressed for anybody and I mean
anybody, excluding no one tobeat Pocket of Verses there's
only one small loophole.
(01:15:54):
One small loophole, and that'sif you get him on the production
.
That's the only loophole.
Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
And this is why I would tell you that the only
person that could beat him isSnoop, and Snoop would have to
play every last record from theChronic and Doggy style to do it
.
He could play nothing elsebecause he would lose
Production-wise.
The production on the Chronicand Doggy style is enough to
beat Pac, but even I'm not sureif that's enough because, like
well, pac has too much range.
(01:16:23):
Well, how about this?
Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Not a lot of people got a lot of records to beat
Lil' Ghetto Boy off.
Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
The chronic Like Pac got a lot of records to beat
Lil' Ghetto Boy Like how manyniggas walking around like that.
It's like oh, no, no, no, I cantake that record off the board
and I got plenty more to spend.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, he actually has, likewhen nothing but a G thing drop,
it's pretty much over.
Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
In theory, it sounds like when you start playing side
by side, you'll realize I don'tthink anything's touching it.
Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Here's the thing, here's where he really wins.
When the songs are comparable,then they come about.
What you feel more, that's whenyou lose it to him.
Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
That's why I said production might be the only
loophole.
Pot was never known for greathim.
That's why I said productionmight be the only loophole, like
, if you got cause, pot wasnever known for great production
.
You know what I'm saying, butthat's the only loophole.
I could see somebody gettingthem.
Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
So this is why all eyes on me is just so important.
It's because it's like, well,all eyes on me is the records
that compete with that doggystyle chronic get richer or die
trying, like you know, I meanthose big, you know gotta go big
, yeah, so.
So he's got that.
So think about that.
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He's like well, he got you onthe big records, he's got you on
the personal records, he's gotyou on the content, like by a
lot, unless you were not, orChuck B or KRS-One, so you ain't
winning.
Like I said, snoop, if heplayed all the Chronic and Doggy
style stuff, it's the bestbattle Everybody else is.
Speaker 4 (01:17:58):
And Coop is the connection he got you on, a
connection he connects to thepeople way more than any other
artist.
Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Yep.
This is what I'm saying, thisis like oh well, you might think
that somebody like, how aboutthis?
Oh, dmx is a better bar spitterthan Pac.
But even if he had to goagainst Pac there's.
I remember Marvin Gaye used tosaying to me he had me feeling
like black was the thing to be.
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That resonates with our culturedifferently when he talks like
that it's a game changer.
It's a game changer when hetalks like that.
He's the only dude that everreally talked like that.
Guys, he's a legend, right?
He made our blackness sobeautiful, even through the
problematic parts of it.
Talib had an album called theBeautiful Struggle.
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That would describe Tupac'sstyle to a T.
Tupac's style to a t.
Like tupac's style is thebeautiful struggle about like
our culture and like as anartist.
His style was a beautifulstruggle too, you know so don't
list though coupe.
Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
There's not really anything to nitpick about.
Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Like I said, like like no, I see people dropping
stuff in there like bomb first.
It's like that's why I wastelling people it.
Oh no, I could have done aneasy 50.
Like when I got done with the25, it's like I had another 20
records in my head, like I didthat list.
I did that list without needingto go through album credits or
just you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
It's no, it's no.
Hit them up on here is youdon't have outlaws on here.
You know what I'm saying?
This is pot.
You're getting full pot on thislist.
Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
I did feel like how about this?
I feel like the only time andthis is why Bomb first isn't on
there A lot of the time becausehe was so great them coming on
did kill the momentum of some ofthe songs, some of them, and so
I only picked, I think, tworecords that they were on and
those songs were just so epicthat you just couldn't ignore,
(01:19:54):
and that's Hail Mary and AllAbout you.
Mm-hmm, yeah, like, even thoughthey closed those records out,
those records are just.
He's too phenomenal on there toleave the records off.
You know what I'm saying?
He just is.
Hail Mary is a bar seminar to me.
Like when I first heard that, Iwas like yeah, I was like
that's that's, that's arguablerhyme of the year.
Think about that.
That's one of the bestlead-offs to a song that nobody
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ever talks about because of thecontent.
I ain't a killer, but don'tpush me.
Revenge is like the sweetestjoy, mixed again pussy picture
paragraphs unloaded, wise wordsbeing quoted.
I peep the weakness in the rapgame and sold it Prophecy
Because he's the first guy toflip the game.
He's the first one to make thesong for the streets and for the
girls.
I peeped the weakness in therap game and sold it.
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I'm that guy.
He was talking his shit alittle bit too yeah.
People be like, oh, he wasn'tthis bar guy.
It's like, oh shit, go listento Hail Mary.
It's like that sounds like barsto me.
Yeah, five Deadly Venoms.
No, no, no.
I remember Five Deadly Venomswith Trench.
That's what I'm saying.
We could do this all day.
(01:20:57):
Guys Do this all day, but yeah.
But that's one of the bestlead-offs to a song somebody
talks about I ain't a killer,but don't push me Easily.
Think about what he's sayingwhen he's saying that I am a
killer, but don't push me.
Think about how many black menthat actually feel that way
every day when they wake up.
That's that relatability thathe provides that almost nobody
else provides.
He knows how to sum up pieces ofour struggle in a bar in a way
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that nobody before I am a killer, but don't push me.
That is like the sweetest joynext to getting pussy.
Yo, that's.
That's just as good as anythingshakespeare ever wrote.
Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
Guys, no doubt, no doubt very matter of fact, it's
very matter of fact and it getsstraight to the point.
Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Yeah, yeah, matt max.
He is the first guy to reallymake hit records for ladies and
make hit records for the streets.
He is I'm sorry, none of theguys before did that.
Rock him didn't do that.
Slick rick didn't do that.
Kane tried to do it.
It did not happen successfully.
People forget after Kane madeHalf Steppin' and Raw it was all
songs for the ladies.
That was part of the downfall.
No, he did not do that.
Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
He did it in the same song at that.
You got to toss it up wherehe's actually dissing someone
and he's talking about theladies in the same song.
Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
What is it?
Papa Song off Strictly for myName.
That's one of my favoritejoints he's got so many records,
too, that I could go through.
The only album that I'm not abig fan of while he was here was
the first one.
The rest of them I'm all bigfans of, including Strictly.
I love Strictly, probably morethan the average person does,
but that was one of my firsthip-hop buy-ins, though no doubt
(01:22:33):
Good list.
And now to the main event.
Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
Yes, sir.
So we need everyone'sparticipation on this.
I'm going to put a lot of pollsfor us inside the chats, so we
need y'all to help us getthrough this.
I said polls we should havetalked about, said polls inside
the chat.
Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
See, I'd like to apologize to the fans.
When we started the show, I didnot have my moderation list.
Had I known that Sean was goingto be putting polls inside the
chat, we definitely would haveX'd that part of the segment out
.
Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
Now I'm hearing it.
Yeah, you're right, angie'slike I can't do this yo, let's
get to it AG alright.
Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
So yeah, we about to.
It's March Madness time.
We about to get into the hiphop talks bracket.
So yeah, sean had been talking.
Yeah, nah, north Carolina allday and Michigan.
Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Sean had been talking for a while.
North Carolina shouldn't evenbe in the tournament, but that's
another conversation foranother day.
Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
I didn't dispute that .
Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
Yeah, West Virginia should be there, but that's a
sore spot because I'm a NorthCarolina fan too, so we won't
talk about that.
Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
West Virginia.
Actually, North Carolina justtook West Virginia's slot.
That was the team that wassupposed to be.
Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
I know it's bittersweet, because I'm a
Carolina fan too, so I can'treally say nothing, but I
digress are you wearing Carolinablue Sean?
Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
what the fuck is going?
Is that Carolina blue Nike?
Yeah?
Sorry you wow, yeah, just incase next week, when my team's
still playing, I'm going to wearmy Duke gear next week.
I don't believe this is goingto happen.
You're from West Virginia.
You're a North Carolina fan.
You're from Queens.
(01:24:18):
You're wearing a fucking target.
Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
Hey, north Carolina and Michigan, since I could read
and write.
Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
The two teams Duke hate the most, that's right.
North Carolina and MichiganCan't stand them both.
All right, fair enough.
All the bad things happen toall your teams this tournament.
Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
Right man.
Your best player's brain is hisankle.
Yo, like share subscribe.
We have a lot of people in theviews right now Like share
subscribe.
Let's keep it going.
Okay, just scribe, let's keepit going.
Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
Okay, back to this.
No, no, no.
Kentucky doesn't count.
Is Kentucky a team?
Still, oh, damn Maybe next yearguys, maybe next year guys,
team sucks.
All right, keep going.
Ag Mars Madness.
Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
But yeah, like Sean had been talking for a while, to
do a segment or a topic basedaround the content of the
history of the albums that gotfive mics in the source.
So what we want to present toy'all today is a bracket based
on those albums that receivedfive mics in the source.
Because, let's be real, printmedia is no longer a thing.
(01:25:22):
So I'll tweet today by I thinkit was a cat shout out to Old Ed
Energy.
He said he missed the SourceMagazine era because you know
this blog, the blogger is not it.
You know what I'm saying.
So we want to pay homage to theprint media and source magazine
era.
But it's three differentsubsets of albums that got five
(01:25:44):
mics in the source, the covetedfive mics.
For those of you who don't know, we got the albums that were
actually awarded five mics.
And then we got another set ofalbums that were retroactively
awarded five mics because theywere never rated.
Most of those were out beforethe publication started rating
(01:26:04):
albums because the sourcestarted in late 88.
And a lot of those earlieralbums 88, early 89 didn't get
rated on the mic system.
So they went back retroactivelyand gave a lot of these albums
five mics that they feeldeserved it.
And then the final subset isalbums that they got wrong,
which, in their publication,they either gave a four and a
(01:26:27):
half or, in some cases, a fourmic rating.
And they say you know what Ourbad?
We was wrong.
We're going to go back andchange this and give it five
mics.
And the issue that they did thatin is issue 150, which was in
2002, for anybody who wants toGoogle it and look it up.
So we have all those albumscomprised here to do a break.
(01:26:49):
Well, actually two brackets.
The first bracket is going tobe a playing bracket, sort of
like the first four tournamentto get into the big dance, and
the 16 albums that make up thefirst bracket that we're going
to go to are the albums thatwere never rated but they
retroactively gave five mics.
(01:27:10):
So only two out of those 16will make it to the big dance
list.
So we're gonna go through thatone first now, before people in
the chat get to acting crazy andstart talking about what was my
favorite album got a uh so toolate for that.
Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
It's two hours too late for that.
It's 90 minutes too late forthat.
Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
They already started so here's the thing there's no
bias involved in the rubric thatcreated the seedings on the
bracket.
The higher seedings went to thealbums that were first awarded
five mics the coveted five mics.
The lower seedings went to thealbums that were originally
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awarded a four or four and ahalf.
They didn't get five out thegate, so by default they get the
lower seedings, and then so onand so forth.
So, starting from the top, ifpeople's instinctives is one of
the first albums to get it, letthe rhythm hit them edutainment.
So they get the number one andnumber two, top tier rankings,
and so on and so forth, goingthrough the history of the five
(01:28:09):
mics, and then, like I said, thefour and a half's and the
four's, they get the bottomrankings and we meet in the
middle.
So that's how we did that, youknow, shout out to my girlfriend
like you know what I'm sayingdoing the visuals for the
bracket.
Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
So hey, ag, what up?
Do you mind if I submitsomething to you before you go
any further your thoughts andSean's thoughts on this.
First of all, I think this isan excellent idea for you, by
the way, so shout out to youthis is an excellent idea.
I didn't get to tell you in thechat earlier this week because
I was busy when you put up andschemed everything, but I
(01:28:42):
thought this was an excellentidea.
I will tell you.
It really did make me question,though why are we paying homage
to the source?
Because I'll tell you what.
How right were they really, ag?
Because when I'm looking backon it, I feel more led astray by
(01:29:03):
them than I do really feel likethey were ever really hip hop's
Bible.
They got way more wrong thanthey got right, and when I saw
your bracket for the first time,I looked at the albums on the
bracket that weren't originallyhanded five mics.
There you go, yep, and I saidto myself they're better, the
(01:29:23):
albums that weren't originallyhanded five mics, or about the
whoop, the album's asses whohave five mics, was my thought.
When I read your bracket, ag, Isaid these are the albums that
didn't get five mics, goingagainst the albums that did make
five mics.
I said the only album that gotfive mics, that's making it out
of here alive, is Illmatic andthere's not a fucking guarantee.
Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
When you see them beat together, it's kind of
jarring.
Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
Let the rhythm hit them somewhere close to Doggy
Style or the Chronic Gone Kaboom.
And so it really made me thinkto myself what did you really
get right outside of Illmaticand Equimini and I'm not fucking
joking when I'm saying thatOutside of Illmatic and Equimini
, what five-mic album did theyreally get right in real time,
like in our time, Because weweren't there for the first?
Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
four.
Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
The first four.
Oh no, the first four werePeople.
Instinctives.
Let the Rhythm Hit.
Edutainment, Edutainment andAll for One by Brand Newbie
right.
Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
Yeah, that was America's Most Wanted, was in
there too.
Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
They were actually all in the same issue, like all
the ones you just rattled off,right.
So, okay, america's Most Mightmake it somewhere.
And as much as I love Let theRhythm Hit Em and I've waxed
poetic about Let the Rhythm HitEm more than anybody in this pod
space- yes, that is a fact.
Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
That is a fact.
Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
Let the Rhythm Hit them.
Ain't making it past no damnCuban length well, we're about
to see or a reasonable doubtwe're about to see look here man
that was the baseline for allof this yes, baseline.
Ray Charles and Helen Kellercan have a kid and they can see
(01:31:10):
this shit that's about to happen.
This shit is wild, that's wild.
Speaker 4 (01:31:15):
It goes against the conventional, it's
unconventional.
Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
But I say this to say because think about it.
Ag, correct me if I'm wrongbecause I haven't looked at the
list in a couple of days.
Is Supreme Clientele on hereBecause they gave that four and
a?
Half.
Crazy Right, think clientele onhere Because they gave that
four and a half.
Crazy Right.
Think about Liquid Swords got afour.
Doggy Style got a four.
It's like hip-hop buy-in.
Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
What hip-hop buy-in.
They didn't go back and giveLiquid Swords five.
Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
They didn't go back and give Liquid Swords five.
They don't.
Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
Everything you said.
We'll do a part two to this,because everything you're
talking about is what weactually kind of constructed the
entire show on before doing itinto a bracket.
Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
All I'm saying is is you're telling me it was hip
hop's Bible.
It's looking like Leviathan tome, though.
Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Well, it is jarring when you see the groupings
together, because the four and ahalf and the fives grouped
together are better, in myopinion, than the actual fives.
And then you got the ones thatwere never rated.
But that's like the earlierlegends and stuff.
So this will get interesting.
So we'll go ahead and do theplay-in tournament first, and
two will come out of that andthey'll get the 16 seeds for the
(01:32:25):
main bracket.
Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
I don't even.
I don't you know what I wasjust thinking about.
This, yo, and this is how Imuch enjoyed the Rufus project.
I don't even mean to sidebarout of this.
I was just thinking about someshit that Rufus said.
Rufus was talking some gangstershit on there and it's like you
gotta know the G's to evencheck some of the shit that he
was saying on this project.
I'm just thinking Like he wasgiving you some rules and shit
(01:32:51):
on the project too.
People need to peep thatproject Because he was saying
some of the rules out too.
Yeah, he was doing someteaching on there, right?
So, yeah, so, ag, back to thiswhole you know source fucking up
and you having to fix it with abracket.
I don't know about all that.
That's what it sounded likewhen you said it.
That's what we're going with.
Speaker 4 (01:33:11):
We created the algorithm.
Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
This is all original content right here.
Let's get it All right.
So this is the play-intournament, people.
So only two of this will comeout alive and be the 16 seeds
for the main tournament.
So we got 16 albums for thisplay-in.
On one side of the bracket, wegot the number one ranked Run
(01:33:35):
DMC self-titled album againstthe number eight seed.
All Eyes On Me.
Gentlemen, see what I'm talkingabout, you understand the word,
because all I mean was neverrated in real time they couldn't
(01:33:56):
afford to not give him five.
Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
They never even gave him four and a half.
Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
For me against the world it was never rated in real
time, and the reason why it'sranked that as an 8 seed because
it was the last on the listbased on.
For those of you who are notfollowing, it was the last on
the list based on.
For those of you who are notfollowing, it was the last on
the list in chronological order,you know, starting from all
these that were retroactivelygiven a 5.
So that's why it's the 8 seed.
Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
So all eyes on me.
Next Sean you in agreement.
I agree Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
People in the chat saying I'm up here playing like
I can read this shit.
Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
I can't see shit alright, now we got the four
seed by all means necessary upagainst, that's by BDP, by the
way, against a five seed.
Critical breakdown byultramagnetic MCs.
Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
All means necessary.
It's not even a conversationfor me.
No disrespect, you know whatI'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Alright.
Still on the same side of thebracket we got number three seed
Criminal Minded by BDP, Upagainst number three seed
Criminal Minded by BDP, Onceagain Up against number six seed
Strictly Business by EPMD.
Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
I'm looking down productions all day again.
Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
I'm always more BDP than EPMD.
Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
So I'm not, it's not even that one's less
conversational for me becauseCriminal Minded is superior by
all means in my opinion, andyeah, I'm going to have to go
Criminal Minded as well.
I do too, man, conversationalfor me because criminal minded
is superior by all means in myopinion, and yeah I'm gonna have
to go criminal minded as well.
Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
I do too, man.
Yeah, all right, we're still onthe same side of the bracket.
We got a two seed license toill by the beasties.
I love, like I do too, but it'sgoing up against the seventh
seed straight out of Comptonjust like that.
Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
See how it happen.
It happen fast, like watch thatplane get shot down in the sky.
It's like that's my plane.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
That ain't your plane yo put y'all's votes in the
chat.
You know what I'm saying.
We going through these alright.
So we're on the other side ofthe bracket now.
We got a number one seed, llCool J, with radio, versus the
number eight seed, doc.
No one can do it better Radio.
(01:36:24):
I'm going DOC.
I got to go radio.
I'm going DOC Coop.
I'm going DLC Coop.
You might be the tiebreakervote, bro, what you got.
Speaker 4 (01:36:32):
Matt, take it to the chat.
Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
When you got Coop radio is more important, but no
one can do it.
Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
Better is better what are you advancing?
Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
no one can do it better, cause it's better it is,
it's better it is.
I'm sorry it is I love no OneCan.
How about this?
No One Can Do it Better is oneof those rap albums that I love
more than the average personloves.
It's one of those old rapalbums that I go listen to still
.
Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
One of the biggest what-ifs to hip-hop history.
Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
The, no, the the.
How about this?
The way I talk about Beans?
No, I feel the same way aboutDLC.
Yeah, I feel the same way aboutDLC.
Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
I do.
It's okay to be wrong Sean.
Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
I got to get Steve.
No one can do a better specialdude.
No one can do a better special.
How about this If the DLC hasthe career that he's supposed to
have?
I can't even tell you thatScarface is the best rapper
coming out of Texas, let alonethe South.
That's how serious DOC is.
Yeah.
If everybody knows how I feelabout face.
(01:37:40):
No DOC like that.
Speaker 4 (01:37:42):
Yep Go, listen to the product.
Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
For those of you who follow along, we're going to put
both of the brackets up onsocials.
We're going to try to have thatup tomorrow, over the weekend.
You know what I'm saying, howthis pans out.
Same side of the bracket, wegot a number four seed.
It takes a nation of millionsto hold us back by public enemy.
Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
How is that a four?
Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Because there's no bias, it's chronological order.
Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
You know what I'm saying, how you know they were
released so when you say ittakes a nation to millions in
four, I go flag on the plateOff-size.
Yeah, that's why I had to keepexplaining it.
Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
So that was the only way to do the rubric, with no
bias on where it landed, youknow.
Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
What you mean Fourth greatest rap album ever.
Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
All right, mean four.
What you mean?
Fourth greatest rap album ever.
Alright, so the number fiveseed is Long Live the King by
Big Daddy King.
Not enough, I'm gonna go withit.
Takes a Nation.
Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
Everybody in agreement?
I don't know.
I love Long Live the King.
How about this?
Long Live the King is a hip-hopclassic.
It Takes a Nation to Millionsis one of the best rap albums
ever made, ever Absolutely andin some people's opinion, the
best rap album ever made.
How about this?
Dj Premier's number one rapalbum of all time is it Takes a
(01:38:59):
Nation to Millions.
It's all this back and hehelped put together Illmatic.
Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
Fair enough.
Yeah, Next up, we got on thesame side of the bracket.
We got on the same side of thebracket.
We got the three seed paid infull by Eric B and Rock M,
Versus a six seed straight outthe jungle by the Jungle
Brothers.
Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
I think this is a pretty easy one.
Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
It's painful, yeah, payton full and it takes the
nation are the two albums fromthe 80s that are probably going
to go the furthest.
Yeah.
Now, on the same side of thebracket, the last matchup we got
is the number two seed, raisingHell by Run DMC, versus the
number seven seed, greatAdventure with Slick Rick.
Oh, my goodness, I knew it wasabout to lose again.
Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
Give me Slick, rick, it's Slick.
Speaker 4 (01:39:49):
You got it.
I think it's about to loseagain Give me.
Slick.
Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
Rick, it's Slick.
I think it's because of thetime.
Speaker 4 (01:39:52):
I think it's just the time.
Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
When I was saying that no One Can Do it Better is
one of the few old school albumsI go back and listen to and
listen to.
Oh, the Greatest Adventures ofSlick Rick is the album from
that time that I go back andlisten to the most.
It's a pillow, it's a pillow.
It's a cornerstone album.
Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
But now this is where it gets interesting, fellas,
because we're down to our EliteEight and remember what we're
playing for.
You're just playing for twofinalist spots to get into the
other bracket.
We'll see what happens.
We got All Eyes On Me versus byAll Means Necessary.
We'll see what happens.
All right, we got all eyes onme versus by all means necessary
.
Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
Taking all eyes on me .
All eyes on me.
I have to agree, I have toagree.
Yeah, anthony, we're notputting polls up because the
polls are going to take too longto collect the data, so we just
literally need y'all to putthem in the chat.
But we are reading and lookingin the chat.
We do need y'all'sparticipation in case we're in a
deadlock.
Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
Yeah, if we're in a deadlock and can't decide, we'll
take it to a poll in the chatPause.
Wow, that's crazy.
Alright.
So the next one we got CriminalMinded versus Straight Outta
Compton.
Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
Okay, so Straight Outta Compton is inspired by
Criminal Minded.
It's literally the albumStraight Outta Compton is
inspired by.
Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
I'm still taking Straight Outta Compton for
myself.
Speaker 4 (01:41:23):
That's tough bro.
Yeah, this is where it getstricky.
I'm going to need to chat.
Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
I don't know if I can do that.
I don't know if I can do that.
I think super highly of both ofthose albums, but I couldn't
tell you which one is reallymore important.
Because Criminal Minded is justas landmark for East Coast hip
hop groups as Straight OuttaCompton landmark for East Coast
hip-hop groups as Straight OuttaCompton is for West Coast
(01:41:51):
hip-hop groups.
Speaker 3 (01:41:53):
People have to understand.
Speaker 1 (01:41:55):
Criminal Minded.
Okay, because people look atKRS-One and need to understand
this.
It's like oh no, the KRS-Onethat you know is not the KRS-One
that's on Criminal Minded.
The KRS-One that's on CriminalMinded is more like Ice Cube on
Straight Outta Compton and IceCube will tell you who was your
motivation on Straight OuttaCompton, krs-one on Criminal.
Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
Minded Big facts, him and Chuck D for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
Chuck D on the social comments here.
If you ask Ice Cube where thatgangster shit is, no, that's
KRS-One from Criminal Minded KRSof the gangsta first before he
became a general.
Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
What do y'all want to say?
First one to 30 votes 30 a goodnumber.
Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
Yeah, I can't do that Right now we are at 50%.
Speaker 4 (01:42:42):
Is there a lot?
51% right now?
Criminal minded.
What's the vote count?
Let me see if I can see thevote count.
I have to end the what's thevote count.
Let me see if I can see thevote count.
I have to end the poll to seethe vote count.
Can't do that.
Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
No, I can't do that to criminal minded, not in clear
conscience.
It's too big, because it's gotmy 9mm Because straight out of
Compton's got to expressyourself.
Fuck the police and straightout of Compton.
But criminal minded's got my9mm goes bang.
South Bronx bridge is over.
Speaker 4 (01:43:11):
Yo, it is dead.
It's still 50-50?
It's 53.
I can stop it right now.
That's tough.
Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
That's the toughest question we've had, maybe on
this show since we've done thisshow.
Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
Is 53 for BDP.
Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
Let me check.
I had to end the poll.
If I end the poll right now,which I just did, it would
Strata Compton 52.
That's 38 votes, 52%.
Strata Compton 47%criminal-minded.
Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
All right, it moves on Fair and square way, either
way.
Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
That's a tough one.
Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
All right.
Speaker 4 (01:43:45):
You probably can't go wrong with album one.
Yep.
Either way.
Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
Either way, we're on the other side of the bracket.
We're trying to complete ourfinal four on this side.
So we got DOC.
No One Can Do it Better.
Up against it Takes a Nation.
Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
DOC.
Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
Yep, good night.
Good night, yep.
Speaker 4 (01:44:06):
You agree, Sean?
No, I agree.
It's not even a question.
Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
Yeah, but wait till y'all hear the next one, paid in
full, versus the GreatAdventures of Slick Rick.
Good grief, I'm sorry, rick,but I'm going paid in full.
That's hard to do but I got togo paid in full.
Y'all, man up and make adecision.
(01:44:32):
Man, put y'all big boy pants on, y'all killing me.
Man, y'all trying to be alldiplomatic and shit.
Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
You know how I feel about Slick Rick man.
Okay, so how?
Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
about this.
There's only two rap albums, inmy opinion, that actually have
four of the 100 greatest hip-hopsongs.
Two rap albums, in my opinion,that actually have four of the
100 greatest hip-hop songs ofall time on one album, and these
are actually the only twoalbums that have them in my
opinion, because Peyton Fool hasmy Melody.
Eric B is President.
(01:45:03):
Peyton Fool, I Know you GotSoul and Slick and the Greatest
Adventures has Mona LisaChildren's.
Speaker 4 (01:45:11):
Story.
Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
Teenage World and hey Young Love.
I think those eight songs areall top 100 songs and I love
Slick Rick, but Payton Full's atop five rap album to me still
to this day, and I'm pickingPayton Full as much as it pains
me.
Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
That's two out of three.
So even if Sean picked Slick,Rick Peyton Full moved on.
Speaker 4 (01:45:35):
Even when I end the poll, Paul's on.
I think the poll had it.
Let me see where we got it.
The poll got Peyton Fullwinning.
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
Don't ever ask me to do this again on live television
.
Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
This is the play-in tournament.
This is the qualifier.
Speaker 1 (01:45:54):
This is ridiculous.
I'm getting stressed out.
I need to smoke in the show,all right.
Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
So we got our final four, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
Okay, not okay.
Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
Our final four, for just the play-in, so it's going
to come down to two.
All right.
So on one side, this is for youget qualified to move on to the
other bracket.
We got all eyes on me versusstraight out of Compton.
I'm taking all eyes on me.
We're moving to the otherbracket.
Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
I'm taking all eyes on me.
I am, I'm with you All eyes onme.
Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
I am, I'm with you.
All eyes on me.
Speaker 1 (01:46:31):
I'm taking Tupac with me everywhere.
Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
I go Every other video.
I'm with you, Coop.
What say you, Sean?
All eyes on me.
It's a tough one, but all eyeson me.
I'm with you On the other side.
For the other qualifier we got,it Takes a Nation versus.
Paid in Full.
Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
I won't, I won't do that.
Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
Let's chat that one.
I won't do that.
Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
I'm going to say Paid in Full for me.
Because I can stand on myopinion, I'm going to say Paid
in Full for me.
Speaker 4 (01:47:07):
You saying Paid in Full.
Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
For me.
We'll see what the chat sayssays we'll roll with whatever
the chat says.
Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
Do you want to know the truth?
Ag, at my core, I can't agreewith that because it takes a
nation of millions.
It's too important, I get it.
It's no, it's this is.
This is the one knock I'm goingto give on the short classic.
And when I mean the shortclassic, the paid in full, the
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Illmatic, oh no, when somebodymakes a purple tape or it takes
a nation to millions, there'ssome trump card in the amount of
classic records that are made,and what I will tell you is that
Rakim's songs are morememorable on Paid in Full, but
he doesn't have as many.
What up?
How are you Food upstairs?
(01:47:56):
Daughter, just got home.
You know teenagers, cars, nodoubt I get it.
Speaker 3 (01:48:03):
I had that same conversation with somebody else,
I can't remember who it was onetime Coop.
We were talking about CubanLink versus Illmatic, and Cuban
Link would have a very goodargument against Illmatic
because, like you said, tomaintain that greatness over a
larger amount of tracks isharder to do.
But in that particularcomparison, though, it's a cheat
(01:48:25):
code because Raekwon had a ROMpartner in Ghostface, so it's
technically like a dual.
Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
The thing that makes Illmatic better than the purple
tape is the timeless theme Songfor song.
Purple tape is beating Illmatictoo.
That's why I have it at numbertwo, because if we're actually
talking objectively, if you'redoing what Jay-Z says at the end
of volume three, which is topull your CDs out and go song
for song, well nobody's beatingthe purple tape or it takes a
nation If you're just going songfor song.
Speaker 3 (01:48:54):
We might come across that match up here shortly.
We're going to see All right.
So y'all ready for it.
Speaker 4 (01:48:59):
What the chat got us yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
So this is what I mean Illmatic and Paid in Full.
Have the impact Purple and paidin full, have the impact Purple
Tape.
And it Takes a Nation ofMillions actually have the
classic songs.
Like 12 of them, like 12.
There are 12 classic records onit Takes a Nation of Millions.
No, no, no.
There's only one or two orthree rap albums that have 12
(01:49:24):
classic songs on them.
Guys, it Takes a Nation ofMillions is one of them.
The Purple Tape would be theother one.
The rest of the shit we canargue about.
Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
Those are the only two albums I know for certain
that have 12 classic songs onthem, but did it make it out
alive though Did it make it outalive in the chat what we got?
Speaker 4 (01:49:38):
It takes a million, got 62%, paid in full 37%.
Okay, so when I'm doing my list, I Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:49:45):
So when I'm doing my list I usually have these albums
right next to each other, but Iusually have it.
Takes a Nation One Step, allright.
Speaker 3 (01:49:52):
So we got our two qualifiers, so All Eyes on Me
gets in.
That's great.
Speaker 4 (01:49:58):
All.
Eyes on Me gets in thetournament Great qualifiers.
Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
All right, sean, you want to put up the graphic of
the main tournament.
Speaker 4 (01:50:12):
While I write these in real quick.
Is it sitting right here?
Speaker 3 (01:50:17):
AJ, yep, alright.
So I think we're ready for thereal deal, the main event.
Let's go.
Alright.
So we got.
This is around the 32, so wegot a lot more to go through Mad
Max if you don't think it takes.
Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
a nation of millions has 12 classic rap songs on it.
Speaker 3 (01:50:36):
you don't know shit All right, we're going to start
on one side of the bracket.
We got, like I said, to refreshy'all's memory, if it's got a
high seed it's because there wasone of the earliest albums to
get awarded five mics from thesource one of the earliest and
(01:50:57):
depending on when the albumdropped and when it was awarded
five mics, you know we went inchronological order so it was no
bias.
The lower seeds, like the 14sand 15s of the world, those are
the albums that either got afour and a half or four.
If you got a four, you got alower seed than the four and a
half, but they were they wereretroactively a great uh graded
(01:51:18):
on five mics.
So if you have any questions onthe seating, so let's get into
it.
So my album's about to getslaughtered?
Yeah, all right.
So on one side of the bracketwe got a number one seed
People's Instinctives by Tribeversus All Eyes on Me by Pop.
Speaker 1 (01:51:41):
Good night.
Good night, thank you forcoming out.
This has been Hip Hop Talks.
Speaker 4 (01:51:48):
Bible, my ass.
This is what I'm talking.
Hop talk Bible, my ass.
This is what I'm talking aboutBible, my ass.
Speaker 1 (01:51:51):
You didn't rate all eyes on me, but you gave people
the instinctive five mics.
You know what's controversial.
Speaker 3 (01:51:57):
I don't think that people's instinctives is their
second five mic album other thanlow end theory.
I think it's Midnight Marauders, and Midnight Marauders don't
have five correct.
Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
You know what they gave Midnight Marauders, right
no, it's not on here.
Speaker 3 (01:52:09):
They got people's instinctives.
Speaker 1 (01:52:10):
They're low in theory .
That's what I'm saying, butthey gave Midnight Marauders
four.
Speaker 3 (01:52:15):
Yeah, and they didn't correct that either.
They didn't go back and give itfive.
Speaker 1 (01:52:19):
They didn't go back and change it.
Okay, that is like giving Judasthe land instead of Abraham.
No Bible Land belong to Abraham, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
So next will be an easy round, but a controversial
round.
This is on the same side of thebracket.
We got a number eight seedTrill OG by Bun B, which a lot
of people don't feel like.
That should have been awardedfive mics but it actually got
five.
Not a five Versus a nine seeddeath certificate by Ice Cube.
Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
Death certificate, next one Moving on Next.
Speaker 1 (01:52:57):
Next.
Speaker 4 (01:52:58):
Trill.
Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
Burger and Bun B.
That was a Bun B, alright.
Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
That was easy, but this next round ain't so easy.
We got a number 5 seed LifeAfter Death, versus a number 12
seed Chronic 2001.
I'm going Life After Death.
Speaker 4 (01:53:25):
I gotta go.
Life After Death man.
Speaker 3 (01:53:28):
I hate to see Chronic 2001 go so early, though I'm
not as big on 2001, as everybodyelse is.
Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
It is a masterful production job.
The songs that are great areall-time great.
It's not the end-to-end playerthat Life After Death is the
highs are high.
Speaker 4 (01:53:47):
The highs are really really high.
Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
The highs are as high as you can go as you can go the
highs as high as you can goright.
Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
What's people saying in the chat?
What's the chat looking like?
Speaker 1 (01:53:55):
everybody's saying life after death life after
death that's what's up, yeah, weonly got one chronic 2001 yeah,
that's the most loving ass.
Speaker 3 (01:54:05):
Niggas too let's keep it moving.
On the same side of the bracketwe got a number four seed the
low-end theory by Tribe CalledQuest again versus a number 13
seed, doggy Style, whichoriginally was awarded four mics
.
That's why it's so low-seeded.
Speaker 1 (01:54:25):
Doggy Style's up against the low-end theory.
Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
Yeah, I'm going doggy style.
Speaker 1 (01:54:29):
I'm going to move my mic right quick because I'm
about to say some things at avery young age yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, I can see what he'ssaying.
Speaker 4 (01:54:38):
Coop's saying he like it doggy style in the low end.
That's what he's saying.
That's what he's saying.
Yo Coop is saying some nasty.
What was going on?
Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
Andrew texted me About this.
He was like yo man, that's acrazy matchup.
Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
Yeah so.
So In my opinion, these are twoof the ten best rap albums ever
made.
Speaker 3 (01:55:08):
Yeah, one's in the top five, and that would be
Doggystyle.
In my opinion, these are two ofthe 10 best rap albums ever
made, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:55:15):
One's in the top five , and that would be Doggystyle,
because if I'm making a top 10list, usually when I make my top
10 list, I do find the low-endtheory falling around 8, 9, or
10.
Usually 9 or 10.
And Doggystyle usually falls.
Speaker 4 (01:55:27):
That's tough.
Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
Like after the purple tape in Illmatic, like three,
four, five.
Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
You didn't say your vote yet, sean, but me and Coop
both agree doggy style.
So what you got?
I mean majority rules, but Igot doggy style.
Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
The people are saying low end.
The people are saying low endin the chat.
But that's the East Coast bias,y'all tripping.
Speaker 3 (01:55:49):
You're not tripping.
Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
Our panel of three all said doggy style, so you're
not tripping if you think thelow end theory is better than
doggy style.
You're just not right.
Like how about this?
The low end theory is one ofthe best production jobs in rap
history.
Doggy style might be the bestproduction job in rap history,
guys it's in contention.
(01:56:11):
It's in contention for the bestproduction job in rap history.
Like history, song wise, asmuch as I love the records on
low end theory, this is wherethis is where and I hate to say
it like this no, this is wherethe hit records do matter.
Say it like this no, this iswhere the hit records do matter.
It do because if the songs arecomparable, the albums are
(01:56:35):
comparable.
It's like, oh no, you're notabout to sit up there and look,
here we got the jazz.
Ain't beating fucking gin andjuice nigga.
I'm like no.
Speaker 4 (01:56:45):
That is not how this program works.
It's not.
Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
It's not how this program works.
It's not.
Speaker 4 (01:56:49):
It's not how this program works.
It's not.
Speaker 3 (01:56:53):
We all three were in agreement.
Nobody even pushed back on that.
I know the chat said low end,but we all three were in
agreement on that one.
Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
I'm still playing doggy style like I'm in eighth
grade.
What are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (01:57:06):
As you should.
This next round is tough,should this next round is tough.
Speaker 3 (01:57:11):
This next round is tough.
I know my answer, but it'sstill tough nonetheless.
We're still on the left side ofthe bracket.
We got a number 6 seed in theblueprint versus a number 11
seed in the infamous whichoriginally why is y'all laughing
(01:57:33):
, man?
You know my ass.
For those who don't know, theInfamous originally got four and
a half mics, but it's an 11seed against the Blueprint.
Speaker 1 (01:57:45):
We're aware.
We're aware of the four and ahalf mics.
Speaker 3 (01:57:47):
So I got the Infamous .
Sorry, the Blueprint has to golike this Early.
Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
First're aware.
Speaker 3 (01:57:48):
We're aware of the four and a half mics, so I got
the infamous.
Speaker 1 (01:57:50):
Sorry, the blueprint has to go like this Early First
round upset.
Early Good night.
Because this is what I mean.
So how about this?
This is what I mean when I'mtalking about how this shit goes
.
Oh no, the infamous is aborderline top ten rap album all
time to me.
Yeah, yeah For the JehovahWitness people that come after
(01:58:12):
me.
Speaker 3 (01:58:12):
This is just how the joint failed.
This is just how the matchupended up.
Man, glad they're going to belooking for your ass.
Speaker 4 (01:58:17):
I just put the poll up because I don't want no one
to say Sean is hitting on Jay.
I don't want any of that.
Speaker 1 (01:58:24):
So I just put the poll up, just in case man like
real talk there ain't a NewYorker walking around that
really thinks that the blueprintbetter than the infamous?
Don't nobody think?
That.
Speaker 3 (01:58:39):
Don't nobody think that it's a lot of people that
yeah, Nah, Coop, Nah.
Speaker 1 (01:58:43):
Coop.
Okay, how about this?
Those people, those peopledon't know shit.
That's what I mean.
Sometimes you got to let peopleknow who they are.
They be like, oh, you feel thatway.
It's like it's okay, you don'tknow shit, it's okay, we post
this on social media.
Speaker 4 (01:58:57):
We're going to have somebody that's going to do mad
shows on it.
Speaker 1 (01:59:03):
They're not doing shows and getting 12 views right
now.
Speaker 4 (01:59:06):
They're going to do Twitter fingers on it.
They're going to be like yo.
This is.
Speaker 1 (01:59:11):
They're going to take the fake following from
Facebook and multiply it by thefake following on Instagram and
then divide it by the fakefollowing on Twitter and try to
get 55 views.
Speaker 3 (01:59:21):
They're going to jump out the window without even
knowing the rubric.
They're going to look at theseedings like well, how do you
get these seedings?
Speaker 4 (01:59:30):
They're going to look at the seedings like, well, how
do you get these seedings?
They're going to say to meblueprint is better than
infamous.
Speaker 3 (01:59:32):
My bad EG.
Yeah, blueprint.
Nah, it's the infamous.
Did you even put a poll up?
Speaker 4 (01:59:38):
I did.
I'm sure it's what it was.
Speaker 1 (01:59:44):
Somebody deserves to get hit with a poll if they
think that the blueprint and theinfamous are comparable.
The infamous.
Has I Somebody's already hitwith a?
Poll if they think that theblueprint and SMS are comparable
.
Speaker 4 (01:59:51):
I mean, think about this it's 84%.
Infamous, okay, we can move on.
We can move on, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:59:57):
All right.
Speaker 4 (01:59:58):
That's three volts.
Give up the goods.
Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
Shook ones Q you hectic the fittest Like drink
away the pain Up north.
Trip Temperatures risingStarting.
Speaker 4 (02:00:14):
I like to thank the Blueprint for coming out.
Speaker 3 (02:00:16):
Good night.
This next one's pretty easy too.
So we got A number three seed.
Brand newbie and one for all.
One of the first albums Awardedfive mics.
It's not going anywhere.
What'd you say?
Brand newbie and one for allOne of the first albums, awarded
five mics.
Speaker 1 (02:00:31):
It's not going anywhere.
What'd you say?
It's going down.
You don't even got to read meanother album.
It's going down, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (02:00:36):
It's number 14 to Me Against the World by Pop Going
down, you're moving Down, goodnight.
Speaker 4 (02:00:45):
AG and everybody get mad tweets.
What's that?
Everybody get mad tweets.
What's that?
G-buddy get mad tweets tomorrowyou ain't no doubt, right.
Speaker 1 (02:00:53):
Well, hold on, hold on.
At least maybe they'll tweet atme instead of just stealing my
shit, your shit, ag's shit.
Maybe tweet at me and have aconversation with me before you
steal my shit.
Be like hey, I sold it to Coopafter we argued about it.
It's like okay, this like hey,I stole this from Coop after we
argued about it.
Speaker 3 (02:01:09):
It's like okay For those who don't know Me Against
the World got a four and itsoriginal rating got a four, mike
.
So we're still on the left sideof the bracket.
We got a number seven seed theFix, versus a number 10 seed 36
Chambers.
I hate to do it to face, butit's not a conversation.
Speaker 1 (02:01:29):
It's not a conversation you know I feel
about face.
It's not even a conversation.
Speaker 3 (02:01:33):
No Moving on this last round.
On the left side of the bracketI feel like it's just for Coop.
Speaker 1 (02:01:42):
It's all bad.
I already know what you'retalking about, because that's
the part of the bracket that Ilooked at.
I was like, yeah, I'm out onthis bullshit.
Speaker 3 (02:01:48):
We got a number two seed in Let the Rhythm Hit them
versus a number 15 seed inReasonable Doubt.
Give me Reasonable Doubt, man.
Y'all think we hate OJ until wedon't.
Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
It's Reasonable, doubt, it's Reasonable.
Speaker 4 (02:02:07):
Doubt, but that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:02:10):
That's what I'm talking about.
That's what I'm talking about.
You know what I mean.
If you just would have gave Jaythe five that he actually
earned earned we would be havingthese problems today what you
got, sean.
Bible.
Sure, this ain't the tour likethe first five.
Speaker 3 (02:02:24):
I'm going to make you say it.
Speaker 4 (02:02:27):
Reason without doubt.
Alright, he said it.
I'm going to make you say it.
Risen without a doubt, risenwithout a doubt?
Speaker 3 (02:02:31):
All right, he said it like mad low.
It was barely audible.
Speaker 1 (02:02:34):
No, I love Let the Rhythm Hit Him.
It's just, it's More thananybody More than anybody I love
.
Let the Rhythm Hit Him.
Speaker 3 (02:02:44):
It's one of my favorite.
Speaker 1 (02:02:44):
It's one of my personal favorite rap albums.
Nah, Rockhead was rapping hisass off on that album for
wrapping his ass off.
It might be his best lyricalalbum.
While you know, it is like Itell people lyrically for me,
like, let the rhythm hit them isonly superseded by it was
written and not by a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:03:02):
Yeah, yeah, those two we on the right side of the
bracket now.
So we got a number one seed inedutainment by Boogie Down
Productions and a 16 seed thatjust got in.
Takes a nation by PE.
Told you it's not going far,told you.
Speaker 1 (02:03:20):
It's not going far, yep, it's not going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (02:03:24):
So we got to take an agreement takes a nation, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:03:28):
It's their fourth best album versus Public Enemy's
first.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:03:34):
All right, moving on, we got an eighth seed.
We talked about this guyearlier Kanye West, my Beautiful
Dark Twisted Fantasy.
Fun fact, this was the lastalbum to get ranked five mics by
the source when it was inpublication.
The very last one.
Speaker 1 (02:03:52):
They got this right.
It's a five mic.
They got it right.
Speaker 3 (02:03:55):
Yes Versus the number nine.
Seed Breaking Atoms by MainSource, where Nasty Nas made his
first guest appearance.
Speaker 1 (02:04:03):
Give me my beautiful, dark, twisted fantasy.
I agree, what you got, seanQueens, get the money.
Of course you do.
Of course you do.
Are you for real?
Yeah, I'm sorry, are you forreal?
I will tell you this.
I will tell you this aboutBreaking Adams, though it's the
most underrated rap classicprior to 1992.
(02:04:25):
Prior to Of all rap albums madebefore 1992, it's the most
underrated of all the classicrap albums made before 1992.
It's the most underrated of allthe classic rap albums before
them, in my opinion it doesn'tget it's due but my beautiful,
dark, twisted fantasy specialit's not moving on, sean, sorry.
Speaker 4 (02:04:47):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (02:04:48):
I feel like this next round is just for Coop.
We got a number 5 seed.
Speaker 1 (02:04:57):
Equimini.
Speaker 3 (02:04:59):
Okay, no, we're not there yet, equimini 5 seed by
OutKast versus Purple Tape byRaycon yeah, this was the one
that I read.
Speaker 1 (02:05:08):
Now, what Outkast versus Purple Tape by Rick Dorn
and 12th Street.
This was the one that I read.
That's the one.
Speaker 4 (02:05:14):
Now what yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:05:20):
Equimini is a masterful album Masterful.
Speaker 4 (02:05:22):
So here's, what.
Speaker 1 (02:05:23):
I tell you, equimini is one of the few rap albums
that competes with the PurpleTape, song for song.
And I'll tell you that when Ihad Equimini ranked higher than
the Purple Tape at some point,it was because of a couple of
(02:05:43):
records that I felt like gaveEquimini a more full feel than
the purple tape, and that'sSpody, odie and Liberation.
Now, song for song, I'll tellyou there's not really a rap
album that's better than thepurple tape, but the content on
Equimini is actually better thanthe content on the purple tape.
(02:06:05):
It may not be executed better,but the content's better.
The production's not better.
You say all that to say it'snot better.
It's the purple tape.
Just take the purple tape,leave me alone, don't want to
talk, I don't want to talk byfar.
Speaker 3 (02:06:23):
That was the toughest round in this first round.
For sure Not for me.
It's not for me.
I'm sorry, coop, I know youwanted to see your boys make it
further Hold on.
Speaker 1 (02:06:35):
Did they ever go back Hold on, hold on.
Is Southern Playalistic on here?
Did they go back and giveSouthern Playalistic five mics?
No, sir, okay, there'll be noBible over here, okay.
You know what?
There's going to be weeping andgnashing of teeth over here.
There'll be no hip hop bible.
Weeping and gnashing of teethlakes of hellfire.
He got a point lakes ofhellfire for the Leviathan.
Speaker 3 (02:07:00):
I feel like this next round is a buy in.
I mean, I feel like this nextround is a buy round.
But you know I ain't going tobe too disrespectful, but we got
a number 4 seed in Illmaticversus a 13 seed gripping on
that other level by the GhettoBoys.
No, don't do that.
Don't do that.
You are wild disrespectful, bro.
(02:07:21):
You are wild disrespectful.
What is wrong with this guy?
Speaker 4 (02:07:28):
My bad man, my bad, we're just going to take
Illmatic and keep it moving.
Speaker 1 (02:07:29):
I just said I wouldn't try to be disrespectful
.
What is wrong with this guy?
My bad man, my bad.
All right, we're just going totake Illmatic and keep it moving
.
Speaker 3 (02:07:34):
I just said I wouldn't try to be disrespectful
when he bust out laughing.
Speaker 1 (02:07:37):
You have to stop laughing at him.
Just go to the next.
Speaker 3 (02:07:40):
Jesus man, you can't take him nowhere.
All right, All right.
Now hear me out.
Hear me out.
Number six Stillmatic versusthe number 11 seed that
originally got four and a halfmics Ready to die.
Speaker 1 (02:07:59):
Ready to die.
Speaker 4 (02:08:00):
Yo man.
Speaker 1 (02:08:01):
I have to agree.
Speaker 4 (02:08:03):
Because the streets is a short stop.
Speaker 1 (02:08:05):
Either you sling and crack rock or you got a wicked
jump shot, shot.
Speaker 3 (02:08:09):
I have to agree, reddy does better than
Stillmatic, but not it was Rick.
It ain't better than stop that,sean.
It's not a conversation it'scloser than a lot of people want
to admit, like to think thefirst 10 tracks of Stillmatic is
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like a highlight reel thatnobody.
If he cut Stillmatic down toless tracks, it would slapbox
with Illmatic in a lot of levels.
Can we go to the polls?
But he didn't do that.
It won't win.
You can put it on the polls,but damn Pause.
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:08:48):
Do a hip-hop poll.
I put a lot of girls on pollsin my day, AG, Don't feel bad
you but Ready to.
Speaker 3 (02:08:54):
Die should win and it will win.
Speaker 4 (02:08:56):
Ready to Die should win this I don't know, man, we
have a Nas base man.
Speaker 3 (02:09:04):
I'm not doing this.
We're going to have to recountthe votes like Florida.
Hold on me and.
Speaker 1 (02:09:09):
AG already.
We're not doing this, we'regoing to have to recount the
votes like Florida Hold on Meand AG already picked, ready to
Die anyway, machine Gun FunkReady to.
Speaker 3 (02:09:13):
Die it's majority rules.
I have to be objective.
Nod my gob, I got to beobjective no we're not having
this conversation.
Speaker 1 (02:09:19):
Juicy's on Ready to Die.
Speaker 4 (02:09:22):
Even my skin, my goodness.
Speaker 3 (02:09:27):
It's Ready to Die.
Speaker 4 (02:09:28):
We're going to be ready to die.
Yeah, all right, yo Nas, Itried.
Speaker 3 (02:09:35):
We let Nas try.
Speaker 1 (02:09:38):
You got Illmatic.
Illmatic is still buggingaround.
Speaker 4 (02:09:42):
Let me see what it said.
Real quick, the chat has itjust that quick.
Y'all bugging too.
They got damn.
They got still mad at 61%,ready to die 38%.
I swear to you, I'm looking atit right now I swear to you.
Now how are?
Speaker 1 (02:10:01):
y'all going to talk about Kanye when y'all going to
sit up here and do some Kanyeshit?
Speaker 3 (02:10:05):
It's ready to die dog .
We can't do that.
Speaker 2 (02:10:07):
We can't be that biased.
It's ready to die.
Dog, we can't do that.
We can't be that biased it'sready to die.
Speaker 1 (02:10:11):
I'm not Chatting around with you.
It's ready to die.
I'm not arguing with you aboutthis shit.
Speaker 4 (02:10:17):
Go on socials and blast AGM.
Kufa Pitkin Ready to Die withStigmatic Believe me.
Speaker 3 (02:10:24):
I tried to stir it.
I'm already going to getblasted.
I came up with the Rubik forthe bracket.
Speaker 4 (02:10:28):
They ain't going to hate on me anyway All right.
Speaker 3 (02:10:34):
This next one is kind of interesting.
I know my answer, I know Coop'sanswer, but it's kind of
interesting.
Round we got a number threeseed De La Sola's dead versus a
14 seed Scarface the Diary whichoriginally got four mics.
I'm going to Diary.
Speaker 1 (02:10:51):
I'm going to Diary, I'm going to Diary Love, the
Diary Personal favorites whenyou roll into your motherfucking
hood.
Tell me what you see.
Speaker 3 (02:11:03):
This is another buy round.
I feel we got a number sevenseed, a controversial album that
was awarded five mics in realtime.
The naked truth, by little kimversus a number 10 way bigger,
versus a number 10 seed thatoriginally got four and a half
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mics, is the chronic.
So okay.
Speaker 1 (02:11:28):
First of all, the chronic is blowing this album
out of the water, yes, but Ididn't necessarily agree with
the naked truth by Kim gettingfive mics.
But it is a great album.
Here's my complaint.
Here's my complaint.
Speaker 3 (02:11:42):
It's not great.
The album is great.
It is a great album.
But here's my complaint.
Speaker 1 (02:11:50):
I think LaBellaia is a far superior album to the
Naked Truth.
I think they're comparable.
I think La Bella Mafia isslightly better, but this is why
I tell people Kim is number oneon my list.
It's like oh no, kim gotHardcore.
The Naked Truth, la Bella Mafia, the Notorious KIM.
Speaker 3 (02:12:02):
Calla Long Dog.
The Junior Mafia album isreally like you know because
she's like, you know, that is ahighlight reel.
Speaker 1 (02:12:08):
Lil' Kim on the Junior Mafia album is a
highlight reel, SportsCenter Top10.
Speaker 3 (02:12:14):
Not to mention her feature run Highlight reel.
I like this next round.
It's a weird matchup but I likeit.
We got and this is the last oneon this side of the bracket we
got a number two seed inAmerica's Most Wanted by Ice
Cube, versus a number 15 seedthat originally got four mics.
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Oh Lord.
Speaker 1 (02:12:39):
The score by the Fugees.
Oh no, Give me America's Most.
I'm taking Cube as well.
Give me America's Most, whatyou got.
Speaker 3 (02:12:47):
Sean America's Most.
Speaker 4 (02:12:51):
Gang, gang, fool, fool Score.
Got hot hot.
Speaker 3 (02:12:54):
The fillers are not Yo, this is mad fun.
This is where it's going to geta little interesting.
It's going to get a littlecrazy.
So we at our sweet 16 Now.
So we at our sweet 16.
Alright, to the left side ofthe bracket.
We got all eyes on me.
Versus death certificate.
Speaker 4 (02:13:16):
Damn, Damn.
Let me go to the.
I go to the poll automatic.
Speaker 3 (02:13:23):
Nah, because y'all, y'all, some cowards, man.
Y'all ain't saying the truth.
Speaker 1 (02:13:27):
I'm going to tell you the truth.
I'm going to tell you the truth.
Speaker 4 (02:13:31):
He said death certificate right.
For me, it's death certificate.
Speaker 1 (02:13:38):
How about this?
I think Tupac is greater alltime than Ice Cube what?
But there have been very fewrappers that have been as great
for one album that Ice Cube ison Death Certificate and as much
as I love pop, as much as Ilove Pop, pies on me and I even
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think the production genre isbetter, I even think the songs
are bigger.
Death Certificate is a momentfor a rapper that very few
rappers has had and I'm takingDeath Certificate.
I'm taking the moment because Ithink Ice Cube's Top 10 MC
moment is Death Certificate.
Speaker 3 (02:14:18):
Death Certificate don't get enough love.
In my opinion it doesn't.
It's one of the best albumsever made.
Speaker 1 (02:14:24):
Right, how about this ?
Death Certificate is betterthan Good Kid Mad City?
Yeah, in my opinion, yeah,death certificate is only a half
a step down from doggy styleand the chronic, in my opinion,
guys.
And so, although I think alleyes on me is comparable and
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deserve and you can go eitherway when he doing shit like a
bird in hand, just the way thathe just broke it down so quick
and it was just in and out, it'slike oh no you listening to a
guy that, at the time that hewas rapping, listen to what I'm
about to say, and this issomething that Tupac never
really got.
Whether it's fair or not, oh no,when Ice Cream is rapping on
Death Certificate, you feel likeyou were listening to the
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greatest MC of all time.
At that moment in time, it wasarguable that he was.
Speaker 3 (02:15:09):
He definitely was Give me that he could slapbox
with Rakim if it came down to it.
Speaker 1 (02:15:14):
Because in 1993, if you told me Ice Cube was the
greatest emcee that ever livedyou wasn't saying some crazy
shit.
Speaker 3 (02:15:21):
No, he was.
To me he was because I didn'tknow who Nas was in 93.
To me Ice Cube was the bestrapper walking planet Earth in
92.
Speaker 1 (02:15:31):
And I do believe he had a three-year stretch where
he was the best rapper alive,and not too many rappers have
had a three-year run in a rowwhere it's like this nigga is
the best rapper alive and he didhave a three-year stretch like
that.
Speaker 3 (02:15:41):
Yeah, so you with Death Certificate too, sean.
Speaker 4 (02:15:45):
I'm gonna look at the poll real quick.
Speaker 1 (02:15:47):
The poll's probably going to pick all eyes on me
slightly, but that's more aboutPac yeah the poll is not too far
.
Speaker 4 (02:15:55):
The poll's got 54%, all eyes on me 45% death
certificate.
Speaker 1 (02:16:02):
Cube is different on death certificate and this is
what I mean.
He's every bit the gangsterthat he is on straight out of
compton in america's most, buthe's focused and concise the way
kendrick is on to pimp abutterfly.
But it's gangster and you canride to it.
As a matter of fact, when Ithink about it, to pimp a
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butterfly is actually the modernday death certificate in a lot
of ways.
You just can't ride to it.
That's the problem.
Speaker 3 (02:16:38):
I've heard people say it's the modern day.
It takes a nation, but I seewhere you're going.
Speaker 1 (02:16:44):
I'm speaking because he's a Cali nigga.
Because that's the thing withdeath certificates I got you you
can still ride to DeathCertificate, while Ice Cube is
giving you all of thesesocioeconomic commentary and
macro themes, like the Koreangrocery store in the
neighborhood, the bird in hand,the nigga working for McDonald's
and end up pushing weight.
Oh no, he's giving you theTopempo Butterfly untitled
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commentary.
It's way more fun than both ofthose albums could ever pray to
be.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:17:11):
But we gotta be fair.
Like, what are we doing?
Are we moving Death Certificateon?
Or?
It depends on your vote, Sean,because the chat said All Eyes
on Me.
Me and Coop said DeathCertificate.
If you go All Eyes on Me, wemight have to like put it in the
chat again.
Speaker 4 (02:17:26):
No, I said Death Certificate, you did you said
Death Certificate Okay.
The album is too important man.
The album is too important, nomatter what song you were on,
you were an Ice Cube fan in 1993.
If you were a hip-hop fan, youwere an Ice Cube fan in 1993.
Speaker 3 (02:17:41):
That was a tough round, though that was a tough
round.
Speaker 1 (02:17:44):
Yeah, I hate it.
It's tough.
He's so special on DeathCertificate.
Speaker 3 (02:17:55):
We got another great double album up.
We got Life After Death versusDoggy Style.
Speaker 1 (02:18:01):
Oh, that's Doggy Style.
Here's what it is.
You want to know what it is?
Death Certificate is a top 10mic performance.
All time guys, that's what Iwas trying to say, Death
Certificate is a top 10 micperformance all time guys.
That's what I was trying to say.
That's the top 10 micperformance it checks every box.
Speaker 3 (02:18:13):
I don't like how disrespectful you said that's
doggy style, but by the way it'sdoggy style.
I don't even know why we'retalking about this.
Speaker 1 (02:18:23):
Life after death starts off with being wanting to
sell records like two.
Speaker 3 (02:18:26):
We're not having this conversation.
Nah, it's doggy style thatstarts off with Big wanting to
sell records like Snoop.
Speaker 1 (02:18:28):
We're not having this conversation.
How about Snoop?
Yeah, nah.
Speaker 3 (02:18:30):
Nah, it's doggy style , Kool.
I mean Sean, you object, I gotdoggy style yeah you don't sound
too sure I mean it's hard tobeat Doggystyle it's hard,
that's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (02:18:47):
That's a tough one being said himself records like
Snoop oops like.
Speaker 3 (02:18:52):
I mean, it's a tough one.
Yeah, I'll be interested to seewhat the chat's saying, but all
I'm saying look here, I shouldhave said this before we started
barring some sort of miss thatDog.
Speaker 1 (02:19:00):
I'd be interested to see what the chat's saying.
All I'm saying look here.
I should have said this beforewe started Barnes, some sort of
mishap Doggy style, probablygoing to the final.
Barnes, some sort of mishapguys Fuck people talking about
yeah, dog style is like it'slike that.
We about to have some realtough conversations when we get
to this last eight.
Speaker 4 (02:19:16):
And they have to be honest conversations.
A lot of people we're notchasing, we're not clickbaiting
or anything like that.
You got to be honest.
Speaker 1 (02:19:24):
I mean not to be funny.
It's like life after death isfull of big moments.
Those moments aren't as big asthe moments on Doggystyle.
They're not.
I'm sorry, they're not, they'renot Hypnotize, hypnotize and
fucking you tonight.
More money, more problems.
That is not doggy dog word andwhat's my name?
Speaker 3 (02:19:42):
it's not to your point, coop.
You alluded to this on theTupac all eyes on me versus
death certificate or ice cube.
A lot of times when doing theserankings, people will put the
weight on who the MC is versusthe one particular body of work.
You know what I'm saying.
Instead of talking about lifeafter death versus doggy style,
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they say well, big is betteremcee than you know, snoopy is
all the time.
Speaker 1 (02:20:08):
So he is, and I think life after death is the third
best mic performance lyricallyever on record, after but you
gotta be able tocompartmentalize.
And you have to be objectiveabout what the content is doing.
So let's go back to DeathCertificate right, quick.
Oh no.
Ice Cube is gangsta andconscious on here.
There are themes on here.
So as much as I love Big'sstruggle and we're starting to
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notice this there's somebreaking points with some things
.
Subject matter what's thesubject matter on Life After
Death?
Like Now go listen's thesubject matter on Life After
Death?
Like Now go listen to thesubject matter on Death
Certificate and understand thatCube is doing all the gangsta
shit Big's doing on Life AfterDeath and Big is doing none of
the social commentary that Cubeis doing on Death Certificate.
And those things are separatingthings, especially when you're
going against an album likeDoggystyle, which Life After
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Death is essentially made in thevein of.
Except for Doggy Style's donebetter and bigger, the
production is better.
It's crazy to see theproduction better.
Speaker 3 (02:21:04):
The songs are better.
Speaker 4 (02:21:06):
And they smoked it 75% to 25%.
Speaker 1 (02:21:10):
So the mic performance, you know what I
mean.
The mic performance is onething.
That's what I mean about, oh no, ice Cube's special on Death
Certificate, the way very fewMCs have been on record because
he, to quote Common, is slingingSt Ives and bean pies in the
same sentence.
Successfully, successfully onDeath Certificate, successfully
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slinging St Ives and bean piesSuccessfully.
Speaker 3 (02:21:32):
Alright, we still on the left side of the bracket.
We got the Battle of 1995.
We got the Infamous.
Infamous versus Me.
Got the infamous Don't do this.
Infamous versus me against theworld.
Speaker 1 (02:21:43):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (02:21:45):
I'm going infamous man.
I love Pac, but I'm goinginfamous.
Speaker 4 (02:21:49):
You know I'm going infamous.
Speaker 1 (02:21:52):
I am too, and this is where Pac's catalog does get
hurt, because his most classicstuff isn't as classic as other
people's most classic stuff.
The songs are the albumsometimes.
Speaker 3 (02:22:06):
Remember what I told you the loophole and the verses
would be the production, andthis is the difference maker
here.
Speaker 1 (02:22:13):
Yes, because of the production on Me Against the
World.
How about this?
Me Against the World isprobably the third best rap
album in 1995.
Third, though, because PurpleTape would be number one and the
Infamous would be number two.
Speaker 3 (02:22:28):
You're forgetting about Lakeland Sores, though.
Speaker 1 (02:22:34):
I can't.
I've always argued about that.
That's personal preference overobjectivity, I think, because
that goes back to oh no, is theGenius the better rapper than
Tupac, like on some bar shit.
Oh well, we already know, that.
But it's like, oh no, JZA can'tdo so many tears and Dear Mama,
and If I Die Tonight and DeathAround the Corner.
Speaker 3 (02:22:54):
To your point, me Against the World makes Liquid
Sword sound niche.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (02:23:01):
It makes it sound like he has a specialty.
Speaker 4 (02:23:04):
It does.
Speaker 1 (02:23:05):
It does.
I would argue with you until Itell you that 95 is a special
year.
Speaker 4 (02:23:11):
It's a sleeper year.
We don't talk about it.
Speaker 1 (02:23:17):
I tell people, for me personally, I think 95 is the
third best rap year.
Enough, I tell people I meanfor me personally, I think 95 is
the third best rap year ever.
I think it goes 96, 88, 95 inmy opinion 95 sets up a lot of
stuff for 96.
In 96, yes 95 sets 96 up forthe success that it has Sets it
up.
Speaker 4 (02:23:37):
Nice.
You got to set the game up in96 because of 95.
Right, yeah, oh no.
Speaker 3 (02:23:43):
There'll be no more of that bullshit.
This next round is for you,sean.
Oh boy.
You got 36 chambers versusreasonable doubt.
Speaker 4 (02:23:56):
You know I'm going with that man.
Come on, don't do this, that'snot for me, it's a conversation,
though it's a conversation tobe had.
Speaker 3 (02:24:04):
It's 36, but it's a conversation.
Speaker 1 (02:24:07):
Actually, honestly, ag, I don't think it's a
conversation, because I thinkInto the Wu-Tang is a top 10 rap
album and I think ReasonableDoubt at its best is top 20.
I think there the Wu-Tang is atop 10 rap album and I think
Reasonable Doubt at its best istop 20.
I think there is a separation,that's fair.
Speaker 4 (02:24:24):
That's fair.
That's the group.
I know that's the group.
I know that's how you shootFrom now on.
That's how you shoot.
That's how you drive.
That's how you drive.
Speaker 1 (02:24:37):
From now on.
That's how you drive, becausethink about it, it's.
Think about it, like, like andI'm not trying to disrespect
reasonable doubt at all.
Think about the records on intothe 36 chambers, like.
Think about this, it's like.
First of all, if anybody thinksthat it's close and let's say
that it is close well, creamwould be your tiebreaker
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separated.
Yeah it's too groundbreaking ofan album protect your neck
that's what I'm saying protectyour neck and Cream are on into
the Wu-Tang.
As far as singles go, you'dhave to go to probably the
greatest adventures of SlickRick or Paid in Full to find a
project with two moregroundbreaking records on one
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album.
It it's got cream and Protectyour Neck on there, guys.
Can it all be so simple?
Wu-tang Clan ain't nothing tofuck with.
Method man Chess Boxing.
Shame on a Nigga.
It's too much.
It's too much.
Shame on a nigga that thoughtReasonable Doubt was better.
Shame on a nigga that tried torun game on a nigga.
Speaker 3 (02:25:40):
It's about to still get interesting.
This round's not pretty easy,though we're on the other side
of the bracket.
We got takes the Nation ofMillions by PE versus Kanye, my
Beautiful, dark, twisted Fantasy.
We know what it is.
Speaker 1 (02:25:52):
Hold on real quick.
Clan in the front.
Let your feet stomp, Niggas onthe left.
Ragshets to death.
Hood for the night, wild forthe night.
Thugs in the back, come on andattack.
The woo is coming through.
The outcome is critical.
Fucking with my style is sortof like a no, no, no, no, you
ain't fucking with that.
That might be the six or sevenbest record on there.
He's going bananas on there.
Speaker 4 (02:26:15):
He's going berserk.
Speaker 1 (02:26:21):
He's going berserk on that Clan in the Front.
Think about it Clan in theFront is on the back end of the
classic songs on the album.
Speaker 3 (02:26:25):
Nah, you're right, clan in the Front.
So we in agreement.
Takes the nation over DarkTwisted Fantasy.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:26:34):
As much as here's what I'm saying again why?
Don't you take a deep breath,bro?
Speaker 3 (02:26:38):
It might be the best rap album, just because it's the
best rap album arguably in thelast 15 years.
Speaker 1 (02:26:45):
This is what I mean.
It takes a nation a million isa top 5 rap album all time, to
this day to this day.
It's a top 5 rap album alrightget ready to lose y'all shit.
Speaker 3 (02:26:57):
Cuban links vs Illmatic react.
It's a top rap album.
It's a trailblazer.
Get ready to lose your shit.
Cuban Lynx versus IllmaticReact.
Speaker 1 (02:27:04):
I know what was happening.
Speaker 4 (02:27:07):
No, we don't do that.
Speaker 3 (02:27:08):
I know what was happening, we got to go there I
know what was happening.
We got to go there.
To me, this is the number oneand number two hip-hop albums of
all time.
For me personally, I gotIllmatic at one and Cuban Link's
at two, so I have to give theedge to Illmatic, but barely
(02:27:29):
yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:27:30):
I got to go with Illmatic man.
Speaker 3 (02:27:32):
I hate to do it to Cuban Link.
Cuban Link, I love Cuban Linkfrom my own heart, but Illmatic
is just so perfect.
And see, and that's what we do,because that could go either
way, because that 10 tracks isso perfect.
But then, coop, you use that toform an argument against it.
Because you know I'm sayingCuban Link is greater over a
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longer period but sometimes lessis more.
Like Illmatic is uncut, rawdope, not stepped on at all raw
dope, so let's not step on atall.
Speaker 1 (02:28:03):
So let's look at it like this Okay, so a lot of
people let's say Illmatic haseight flawless records.
I think a lot of people talkabout one time.
For your mind, it's likethere's a weak point of the
album.
That's the weak point.
So let's say you have eightflawless records, right?
Well, the problem for Illmaticagainst the purple tape is is
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that, well, I can give you eightflawless records on there Yep,
and I give you four more, yep.
That would be the problem.
Yes and so and so.
This is what I always said.
I always told people it's likeoh no, illmatic is better about
the timeless themes and aboutthe time capsule of a record.
(02:28:48):
It is because what Illmaticreally is is a micro cosm, I'm
sorry, a macro cosm of hip-hopfrom 86 to 93.
It's a time capsule piece.
It's a time capsule piece.
It's a timeless entry piece,song for song.
It's not better than the purpletape because it doesn't have
enough songs to compete.
Speaker 3 (02:29:09):
But in a vacuum.
Let me push back on thatsentiment, because do you think
any song on purple tape isbetter than New York State of
Mind?
Just one song.
Any one song better than NewYork state of mind, Just one
song any one song.
Speaker 1 (02:29:24):
Okay, so no, but have .
How about this?
There are more songs that areNew York state of mind level on
the purple tape.
Speaker 3 (02:29:36):
Then there are New York state of mind level songs
on Illmatic would be, I meanwe're talking about quantity,
but if we're really busting itdown like is there a song better
than the World Is Yours, onTupeling.
Speaker 1 (02:29:48):
Yes, what song would you say?
I mean I hate?
Okay, so, as much as I lovePete Rock, the beat to
Incarcerated Scarface is betterthan the beat to the world is
yours to me.
Speaker 3 (02:29:57):
Do you think it ranks all time higher?
And the pantheon of hip hopsongs?
I think they're very.
I think.
Speaker 1 (02:30:03):
I think they're very comparable with where they rank.
And so I tell you, incarceratedscar faces gives the world is
yours.
Run for money.
And and I would tell you andthis is what I mean about the
purple tape being so special,it's like well, here's my
question to you what doesIllmatic have?
That's fucking with a Glaciersof Ice or a Guillotine or
Gambino's.
Speaker 3 (02:30:23):
That's the problem.
I'm glad you said that.
When they do that, wu-tang shithow about this?
Speaker 1 (02:30:31):
when Wu-Tang does Wu-Tang shit.
That is the ultimate cheat codein the history of hip hop.
Speaker 2 (02:30:37):
Because of the posse cuts.
Yeah, so Nas and Illmatic ain'tthe cheat code in the history
of hip-hop.
Because the posse cuts.
Yeah, the posse cuts on therecord.
Speaker 1 (02:30:40):
Nas and Illmatic ain't the cheat code Wu-Tang,
when Wu-Tang do Wu-Tang, shit isthe cheat code and never have
they done Wu-Tang shit like theydid it on the purple tape.
Speaker 3 (02:30:49):
But let me ask you this it very much is a
conversation and the combinationof Ray and Ghost, as dope as it
is, would you put any song?
Speaker 1 (02:31:02):
with Just them 2 over Life's a Bitch With Just them 2
?
Yeah, rainy Days would be theLife's a Bitch on the album, and
I don't think it's better thanLife's a Bitch, so I'll tell you
that?
Speaker 4 (02:31:10):
That's a great comparison.
Speaker 1 (02:31:12):
Rainy Days is the Life's a Bitch on the Purple
Tape.
But also, too, I'll tell youthis Rainy Days was my when I
first heard the Purple Tape.
It was my favorite record Right, because it was that life's a
bitch like Nas and AZ type ofmoment on there.
It's just not as good.
So I give you that.
Speaker 3 (02:31:29):
And this doesn't have nothing to do with Illmatic, so
to speak, but if I'm just beingpetty, as great as Cuba Links
is who has the best verse on allof Cuba Links' albums?
Speaker 1 (02:31:39):
Oh no, I'm not taking that away.
I always tell people part ofwhy you could really argue about
the purple tape being betterthan Illmatic is that you could
argue that the best versebetween the two albums belongs
to Nas.
But on.
Ray's album.
Right.
You could say that Right, youcan legitimately say well, the
best verse was on the purpletape.
Speaker 3 (02:32:00):
The best verse is on the purple tape.
I think it's two verses thatslap boxing with the verbal
intercourse verse by memory lane, Second verse of memory lane
and first verse of New YorkState of Mind.
And not for nothing AZ's verseon Life's a Bitch 2 mind.
Speaker 1 (02:32:19):
and not for nothing az's verse on life's a bitch too
I will tell you, though I willtell you both the verses on
life's a bitch are in thatcategory too.
Speaker 3 (02:32:24):
I think those are the one and two best features of
all time, I think verbalintercourse.
Number one life's a bitch.
Number two for me?
Speaker 1 (02:32:31):
no, okay, but this is what I mean.
How about this, you, okay?
So I think spot rushers isbetter than Represent.
That's why this is aconversation for me.
I think, how about this?
As much as I love, as much as Ilove One Love, oh no, glaciers
of Ice is better than One Love.
Speaker 3 (02:32:50):
Yeah, it is which album do you think has the
better writing?
Illmatic.
Speaker 1 (02:32:58):
Illmatic has, the better.
We're talking about writingpros, like as a writer.
Speaker 4 (02:33:04):
Illmatic is in that death certificate criminal
production production I'm givingto the purple tape yes, and
that's why we hold it high,because of the production.
Speaker 1 (02:33:16):
I mean to be honest with you.
I mean for me personally.
I think the purple tape is thebest produced product in rap
history.
Speaker 3 (02:33:24):
It's one producer versus a team of supertapes.
Speaker 1 (02:33:29):
If I was picking best production jobs in rap history
in order, I would go purple tape, doggy style in that order as
far as production jobs.
Speaker 3 (02:33:39):
So what are we doing here?
Which one are we advancing?
Speaker 4 (02:33:42):
You got to go Illmatic, because I still think
that you're talking about oneagainst.
Speaker 1 (02:33:46):
You want to know what I'm going to tell you what I
always forgot, what mytiebreaker is, and this is my
tiebreaker.
The degree of difficulty washarder for Nas because it was
just yeah, that's what I saidearlier, because Ray had ghosts.
Speaker 3 (02:33:59):
Ray had ghosts.
No, it was just that's what I'msaying, that's what I said
earlier.
Because Ray had ghosts.
Speaker 4 (02:34:02):
Ray had ghosts no this is what I mean.
Ray had the Wu-Tang in primeform doing Wu-Tang shit he had
RZA doing RZA shit.
Speaker 1 (02:34:08):
He had JZA doing JZA shit he had.
Inspector Deck doing InspectorDeck shit.
Method man is doing Method manshit.
You get what I'm saying?
No, they are doing Wu-Tang shiton the Purple Tent.
It is literally a handbook inWu-Tang rhyming.
Speaker 3 (02:34:24):
Yeah, here's the caveat.
Ray already has reps in becausehe did the 36th album.
This is Nas' debut.
Speaker 4 (02:34:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:34:32):
Ray, actually, to be honest with you, this is what I
keep telling people about Ray.
It's like no, ray's the onlyguy on.
Enter the Wu-Tang, it's a cow.
And Return to the 36 Chambers.
Hello, Hello.
Speaker 3 (02:34:45):
And I was younger too .
That's another caveat.
Speaker 1 (02:34:47):
Ray's on the first three albums.
Speaker 3 (02:34:49):
He's the only person that you hear on all first three
Wu projects.
That was a tough round To me.
That's my personal finals.
That right, there is mypersonal final.
That's a tough one.
Next round this is a tough onetoo.
But you know, ready to dieversus the diary, gotta go ready
to die, ready to die, youtaking the diary.
Speaker 4 (02:35:12):
I am.
Speaker 3 (02:35:13):
Wow, I know it's close, but I'm kind of shocked.
What'd you say, sean?
I got ready to die.
Y'all want to pull that one ormove on?
I did.
Speaker 1 (02:35:26):
Because to me the diary is ready to die south.
Speaker 3 (02:35:30):
I definitely see that , I definitely see that.
Speaker 1 (02:35:32):
Think about it.
It's like no, no, no Thingsdone changed and Jesus is the
same record.
Never seen a man die ineveryday stroke.
You know what I'm saying?
Like oh, no, no, the records belining up.
It's some of my favorite shit.
Speaker 3 (02:35:46):
I gotta take that to your ass.
Speaker 1 (02:35:49):
Hit the motherfucking floor.
I think objectively ready todie rings higher all the time I
told you man Scarface used toscare me when I was a kid, like
when the white sheet come on andit go and it go.
He the little interlude and itgoes, boo, boo, boo.
He'd tell myself, is this niggadead?
Yet he's like no, no, no, Idon't think he's dead.
I'm trying to go bust thisbitch again.
I was like oh shit.
I was like what the fuck goingon?
(02:36:11):
It's a rap album.
Speaker 4 (02:36:12):
I was like you can't swinging a lot man.
Speaker 1 (02:36:17):
The Diary's up there, dude the Diary.
How about this?
I didn't realize as asoutherner that swore by the
Diary my whole life, how much itwasn't a classic in other areas
until I moved to Cali.
When I moved to Cali, niggashadn't heard the Diary by
Scarface.
I was looking at the gangsterslike they was crazy.
By the way, looking atgangsters crazy in Cali gets you
(02:36:39):
shot.
Don't do what Coop does, by theway, that gets you shot.
But I was looking at niggaslike they was crazy.
Niggas stole my diary CD, bythe way.
Never look at niggas crazy andCali about shit.
Like that but niggas and Caliwasn't even up on the diary like
that.
Speaker 4 (02:36:52):
I'm like riding to this you know I mean, but no,
not a lot of people knew aboutthis diary like that.
Speaker 3 (02:37:06):
So you know, if I end it right here, the diary 54,
ready to die, 46 diaries likethat man yo, we gonna have to
come up with a tiebreaker then,because me and sean said ready
to die and then coop in the chatsay the diary.
Speaker 4 (02:37:19):
I think the chat what should be?
The tiebreaker, because I'lltell you, let's run it again.
Speaker 1 (02:37:25):
Because if tiebreaker is best song, I got Never Seen
a man Die.
Speaker 4 (02:37:29):
Shit.
Now it's at Hold up.
We got 41 votes.
Speaker 1 (02:37:33):
Give me that diary.
Give me that diary over Readyto Die.
I knew there'd be an upset inthe bracket.
Give it here.
Speaker 4 (02:37:38):
Give up the goods Ready to Die.
Speaker 1 (02:37:40):
Just hit the lead Give up the goods and get free.
Speaker 4 (02:37:42):
Oh, you hadn't stopped it yet.
I haven't stopped it yet.
It's at 41 votes right now.
51% Ready to Die.
49% the Diary.
I got lots of.
Speaker 3 (02:37:53):
Let's give it another minute and see where it goes.
Speaker 4 (02:37:54):
Wherever it lands that's what we're carrying on,
that's what we carried on.
This might be the mostcontroversial round.
I think this one is because itjust flipped over to ready to
die again, and that's 44 votes.
Speaker 3 (02:38:06):
Alright.
When our clock gets to, youknow, 2 hours 39 minutes, that's
when we call it Alright.
This is interesting, I didn'tsee this going this way.
Speaker 1 (02:38:19):
Diary special think about this ice cubes on the
diary hand of the dead body.
The only guest appearance isice cube yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (02:38:29):
I've been somebody who doesn't hold ready to die as
high as most, but I still pickready to die and I love face man
you want me to call it no, no,no we got 20 seconds.
Speaker 1 (02:38:41):
We got 20 seconds.
All right, taking all thesevotes, I want the diary to win.
Speaker 4 (02:38:45):
Face mobbed.
Speaker 3 (02:38:47):
We have 47 votes right now 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4,
3, 2, 1.
Speaker 4 (02:38:59):
Call it All right, it's 54 to 46.
Ready to die?
Speaker 3 (02:39:04):
All right, ready to die?
Moves on, that wasnerve-wracking.
Speaker 4 (02:39:10):
Yeah, that's 50 votes and they still voting 53 to 47
right now.
So if I end it right here, it'sready to die 53 to 47.
All right, we got to move it on.
Speaker 3 (02:39:20):
Sorry, coop, you fought.
I end it right here.
It's ready to die 53 to 47.
We got to move it on.
Sorry, coop, you fought hardfor it, though I respect it.
I did what I could.
I respect it.
Speaker 1 (02:39:31):
White Sheep is one of the most underrated rap songs
to start off a rap album in raphistory.
Speaker 3 (02:39:34):
Tough.
Next we got this, the last oneon this side of the bracket.
We got the Chronic versusAmerica's Most Wanted.
It's the Chronic for me.
Speaker 4 (02:39:45):
It's the Chronic.
Speaker 3 (02:39:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:39:47):
Chronic.
Speaker 3 (02:39:48):
All right, so we are down to our Elite Eight.
That's where it getsinteresting.
All right Back to the left sideof the bracket.
We got Death Certificate versusDoggy Style and, I'm sorry, ice
Cube.
Speaker 1 (02:40:01):
I'd like to apologize .
Ice Cube no.
Speaker 4 (02:40:04):
Doggy Style's hard to get you here.
Speaker 1 (02:40:05):
Look, we fought so hard to get you here, player.
Yeah, I'm sorry, cube, here'sthe final four, see, but Death
Certificate, here's what I like.
I like the way that you didthis bracket AG because it gives
us even though some albums,like the Purple Tape, are losing
out.
We have waxed poetic about thePurple Tape countless times.
We have not waxed poetic aboutDeath Certificate countless
(02:40:25):
times.
So even getting to get see.
Part of why I like this iswe're getting a chance to like,
give a breakdown and talk aboutmaybe some albums that are
classic, that aren't getting therespect on their name that they
deserve.
Death Certificate would be oneof those.
Their name that they deservedeath certificate would be one
of those.
Yeah, like, death certificatedeserves to be next to
reasonable doubt and doggy style, chronic and illmatic and yeah
(02:40:46):
so let's go.
Speaker 3 (02:40:46):
Let's go back to the original point.
Death certificate was a lowseed and it started out as a
non-seed and it was rated fourand a half in the source.
It's not even an original ratedfive mic album.
So that goes to your point.
Coop the fours and fours and ahalf in the source.
It's not even an original ratedfive mic album.
So that goes to your point.
Coop, the fours and fours and ahalf are, you know what I'm
saying, the cream of the crop onthis list.
You know what I'm saying?
(02:41:07):
It's just like the real NCAAtournament.
Upsets can happen, butunfortunately it met its end to
Doggy Style All right this nextone of fact.
Speaker 1 (02:41:18):
Here's really what we're finding out too, and I'm
glad that it's happening thatway.
If you told me that DeathCertificate was the third best
West Coast rap album of all time, I wouldn't argue with you,
right?
I think it is.
It probably is right, unlessyou count.
Speaker 3 (02:41:33):
Straight Outta Compton like.
Speaker 1 (02:41:36):
For me it's between Straight Outta Compton and Death
Certificate, and America's MostWanted by Ice Cube.
He is actually the holder oftwo of the five best West Coast
rap albums of all time.
Speaker 3 (02:41:46):
That's insane.
And that ain't even Count andKill at will.
That's insane, bro, and hold on, hold, on, hold on.
Speaker 1 (02:41:52):
And he's the main author of another top five West
Coast albums Straight OuttaCompton.
Three of your five best WestCoast albums have Ice Cube's pin
all over them.
Speaker 3 (02:42:01):
That's insane.
This next round is tough, but Iknow my answer.
We got the Infamous versus 36Chambers.
Speaker 4 (02:42:14):
I might have put in the poll.
Speaker 3 (02:42:16):
You know I'm going to go with it, paul, because you
queens, get the money, sean, butthe answer is 36, bro.
Speaker 4 (02:42:20):
It is 36.
I mean at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (02:42:23):
It's not as easy as you think, because what I will
tell you is that when I say thatEnter the Wu-Tang is a top 10
rap album all time, well, that'slike seven or eight.
Infamous is like 11 or 12, interms of all-time placement.
So it's like, oh no, there'sonly.
You know, the albums that areseparating these albums, in my
opinion, are like the low endtheory, you know you know what's
(02:42:48):
funny for me about this round?
Speaker 3 (02:42:50):
these are the quintessential classics by both
of these groups.
But I love Hell on Earth andForevermore that's wild Answers
into the Wu-Tang.
Speaker 1 (02:43:03):
He just said that's wild.
That's wild Answers into theWu-Tang.
You want to know what?
I had a friend, His name wasMark Millian, and Mark told me
once something and I've said iton this show to stay with me,
and that's that Enter.
The Wu-Tang is the mostinnovative rap album of all time
.
It is and it is, and so whenyou actually look at the fact
(02:43:27):
that it's the most innovativerap album of all time, it is one
of the few rap albums that doeshave classic songs like in so
many multiples that it'sridiculous has in more than five
.
Well, it's the most innovativerap album of all time.
It's got five instant classicrap songs on there.
It changed the game.
It changed the way that welooked at things.
It changed the way the craft ofemceeing was done.
(02:43:50):
The lead emcee and the crew atthe time got Rhyme of the Year
in the quote-unquote Bible ofthe Source for his verse on.
Protect your Neck.
It doesn't get much morespecial than Enter the Wu-Tang.
I would not be surprised ifthey won this entire bracket
with this album Possibility.
Speaker 3 (02:44:05):
What's the chat saying, Sean Let?
Speaker 4 (02:44:08):
me see Yo real quick.
Everybody please like share,subscribe.
I see some new faces in theaudience.
Give me your original content.
Original content.
Speaker 3 (02:44:18):
A lot of thought and effort was put in this bracket
for real, Absolutely 36, 59%,the infamous 40%.
Let's move on.
Got 36.
Final four appearance.
Speaker 1 (02:44:30):
Shame on the nigga who tried to run game on the
nigga.
Speaker 3 (02:44:33):
Okay, we got on the other side of the bracket.
We got.
It Takes a Nation of Millionsversus Illmatic.
Speaker 4 (02:44:42):
Queens get the money, man, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (02:44:45):
It ain't that easy though, sean.
I'm with Illmatic, but it's notthat easy, so hold on.
Speaker 1 (02:44:49):
So you're telling me that Illmatic is taking down.
Speaker 4 (02:44:51):
It Takes a Nation and the Purple Tape and that the
Purple Tape and it Takes aNation are not going to be in
the finals.
Speaker 3 (02:45:00):
Not in the final four .
If Illmatic wins, I'll put itin the poll.
Put it in the poll.
I don't like it.
You're not going to give a vote, coop.
That's not.
That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:45:13):
Okay.
So here's how I look at it.
Let's say that we're doing thisin bracket.
Now let's get realistic.
So let's say that, much likethis current NCAA tournament,
auburn's the number one overallseed, but everybody's picking
Florida, so Illmatic is thenumber one overall seed in this
(02:45:37):
tournament, obviously no, it wasthe number four seed.
I mean in terms of how, whenwe're talking about it, live.
Speaker 3 (02:45:46):
Like it's the hip hop bible, so to speak.
That's what you said, right,correct?
Speaker 1 (02:45:50):
But what I would submit to you that if we're
doing this in bracket form, Well, If you got to play the purple
tape One day, well, if you gotto play the purple tape one day
and play it takes a nation ofmillions.
Two days later you were notrunning both of those games.
Nigga, not both of those games.
You're not winning both ofthose games.
Speaker 3 (02:46:11):
You understand what I'm saying.
Fortunately for albums, theydon't have fatigue.
Speaker 1 (02:46:15):
You know what I'm saying I'm just like, like hold
on.
Speaker 3 (02:46:17):
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (02:46:17):
It's like you know what I'm saying, I'm just like
like hold on hold on.
Speaker 1 (02:46:19):
It's like you just got, like you just beat the
purple tape and now you're goingto be.
It takes a nation a million.
Two days later it's like no,you are not nigga, you are not
super nigga.
I could argue that it takes.
A nation is lucky to be in here.
I ain't even doing this.
Speaker 4 (02:46:37):
This is real ass shit I ain't even doing this if it
ain't on here.
Speaker 1 (02:46:42):
It's like you want me to do a bracket.
Speaker 4 (02:46:43):
Best rap albums of all.
Speaker 1 (02:46:44):
Time is like yeah, yeah, takes a Nation ain't on
there, so I'm out.
Speaker 4 (02:46:47):
Set out to say it it's not an easy lift.
It's not an easy lift at all.
Speaker 1 (02:46:54):
I mean we can advance Illmatic.
I'm just submitting somedevil's advocate type of
material.
Speaker 3 (02:46:59):
No, no, I'm with you.
When Sean left, that's why Iwas like it's not that easy man,
it takes a nation.
Speaker 1 (02:47:04):
I mean, okay, so let's look at it like this.
It's like, okay, so let's say,illmatic is, like, you know, the
96 Bulls.
It's like, oh no, the 96 Bullsmight be the best team ever, I
don't think they've beaten the88 Lakers and the 86 Celtics
back-to-back.
That's not happening.
I get your logic, but that'snot.
(02:47:28):
You know, we can't apply thathere.
Speaker 3 (02:47:29):
I'm just, like I said , devil's advocate, just admit
something to the team, but justsizing it up right, like MC and
lyrics, it goes to Nas right.
What Nas is doing on Illmaticis superior to it Takes a Nation
correct.
It's tough, yes, but no, I meanI just Quick yes or no so we
can move on.
Speaker 1 (02:47:51):
Alright production.
Okay, so here's what I'm sayingOkay, so how about?
This when do you have Illmaticrank as a mic performance all
time?
Speaker 3 (02:47:56):
I would say around third Like.
Because I got it was.
I would probably say aroundthird like.
To me it was written as thebest mic performance by MC on a
record.
I got that one.
Biggie on Life After Death istwo.
His versatility is unmatched.
Illmatic will probably come inat three.
I think Purple Tape is a cheatcode because you got Ray Angles.
(02:48:19):
I can't compartmentalize andsay it's just Ray, you know.
So Illmatic to me is the thirdbest mic performance on an album
.
Speaker 1 (02:48:28):
Okay, so for me I would tell you that it was
written at one.
Speaker 3 (02:48:35):
It's the same guy.
What are you talking about?
I?
Speaker 4 (02:48:37):
don't care.
What do you talking about?
I don't care, I'm a one and atwo.
Speaker 1 (02:48:41):
What do you mean?
Wow?
That's why I put them a one andtwo.
I would put it Was Written atone.
I would put Let the Rhythm HitHim at two.
I would put Life After Death atthree.
I would put Illmatic at four.
But what I would put, Illmaticat four, but what I would tell
you is that my four, five, sixwould probably be Nas on
(02:49:08):
Illmatic, Chuck D on A Text toNation of the Men and Ice Cube
on Death Certificate.
So it's not like it's far away.
Speaker 3 (02:49:14):
I'm putting Jay on Reasonable Doubt up there too.
Speaker 1 (02:49:17):
Jay's up there.
Jay's mic performance onReasonable Doubt is up there.
It's up there, jay's micperformance on reasonable doubt
is up there.
It's up there that's more onthe back end of my time this
might be controversial.
Speaker 3 (02:49:24):
I'm taking jay's mic performance on reasonable doubt
over biggs on ready to die.
Speaker 1 (02:49:27):
I'm sorry yes, if you're talking mic performance.
Yes, I'm sorry so, but this iswhat I mean.
Is it's like even for when?
Speaker 3 (02:49:36):
okay, so here's my problem with jay's, and I would
have picked reason without overready to die on this bracket if
they would have met up.
Speaker 1 (02:49:42):
I'm sorry again, we're talking mic performance,
volume one actually might behost.
That's my performance, like,because here's what I'm saying,
because when I give reasonabledoubt, when I'm giving
reasonable that, the doubt, thenod over volume one in terms of
mic performance, it's mostlyabout the evils and it's more
consistency, too.
Speaker 3 (02:49:59):
It's more consistency it's mostly about the evils and
it's more consistency, too,yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:50:03):
But it's about the evils.
It's like oh no, the evils area reasonable doubt tiebreaker.
Speaker 3 (02:50:07):
But not too many people can do streets is
watching though.
Speaker 1 (02:50:11):
That's what I'm saying.
That's why it's like, oh no,the evils is the tiebreaker as
much as it's because it'sbrilliant as imaginary players
and streets is watching is.
I don't think there is aspecialist to Eagles, even for a
special.
So so we can't talk about wecan't talk about Jake too long
Sean had will explode we have anagreement on Illmatic moving
forward, taking down, takes thenation, Even in the arm of the
(02:50:34):
polling.
Speaker 4 (02:50:35):
it has 86% Illmatic and 13%.
Speaker 3 (02:50:38):
it takes the nation All right, we're moving on,
ready to Die versus the ChronicChronic.
For me, it's the Chronic, theChronic, the Chronic.
Speaker 1 (02:50:50):
The Chronic playing at the beginning of Ready to Die
too, we all said that prettyeasily yeah, the Chronic All
right.
Speaker 3 (02:50:56):
This damn Final Four is crazy.
Y'all All right.
Speaker 1 (02:51:00):
We got the Chronic All right this damn, final Four
is crazy y'all.
Speaker 3 (02:51:01):
All right, we got.
Speaker 1 (02:51:01):
The Chronic and Illmatic.
Hold on.
We do have the Chronic andIllmatic in there and that is a
lot of people's one and two.
That's correct, yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:51:08):
Correct this Final Four actually is indicative of
four out of my five top fivealbums of all time, so I
couldn't be happier.
Speaker 1 (02:51:18):
Definitely cheating, definitely, cheating, definitely
cheating.
You just said it.
Did you hear the?
Speaker 4 (02:51:23):
niggas say it out loud, it was cheating.
Speaker 1 (02:51:25):
Okay, keep going.
Speaker 4 (02:51:26):
Yeah, just put it that way.
Speaker 3 (02:51:30):
Alright, we got Doggystyle versus 36 Chambers
and I like how this is balancedout east and west on both sides.
I'm taking Doggystyle, sean Ilike doggy style, sean.
Speaker 1 (02:51:41):
I don't like this man Taking doggy style, because,
remember when I said therearen't a lot of rap albums that
have as many classic songs asthere's the Wu-Tang.
Well, I can think of actuallyone rap album that actually has
more, and this would be the one.
This is the one, this is theone, this is the one, this is
the one, this is the one.
This is the one, this is theone, this is the one.
(02:52:02):
Doggy Style is the rap albumthat has more classic hip-hop
songs than Into the Wu-Tang.
Speaker 4 (02:52:05):
This is tough, this is tough.
Speaker 3 (02:52:08):
And so many things.
These are like polar opposites.
Like.
Dre is one of the like.
It is man, his production andhe's one of the best engineers
ever to do it.
Everything on Doggystyle soundscrisp, but everything on 36
sounds grungy and gritty onpurpose.
Rza's production, like bothproduction jobs are like top
(02:52:30):
tier About to hit you with thetiebreaker this is tough man.
But you got nine MCs, though,doing crazy stuff on 36, though.
Speaker 1 (02:52:40):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
It's a group effort onDoggystyle too.
But what I will tell you thisis no disrespect, oh, murder Was
the Case is the tiebreakerbetween these two albums.
There is no Murder Was the Caseon Into the Wu-Tang and there's
no Murder Was the Case on anySnoop Dogg album, since
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Doggystyle doesn't have a cream.
Coop Gin and juice is just asbig as cream.
So yes, it does.
Speaker 3 (02:53:06):
Okay, that's fair.
It's got gin and juice, so itdoes have a cream.
Speaker 1 (02:53:11):
And that's why I'm telling you Murder was the case
as the separator, because that'sthe Snoop record, that's
all-time great that we onlygetting on Doggy style and have
not gotten since We've gottenmore Wu-Tang shit comparable on
Liquid Sword.
Purple Tape, supreme Iron man.
There is no more.
Murder was the case after doggystyle.
Speaker 3 (02:53:33):
My bias is telling me 36.
Same here.
Objectively, it might be doggystyle.
I'm doggy style.
Objectively, it might be doggystyle.
Nope, I'm not doing it Too big,I'm going through.
Speaker 1 (02:53:50):
Just do the album rundown.
It's too much To me.
Speaker 3 (02:53:53):
it's not fair, because how innovative you said
it earlier how innovative 36 isis second to none To me.
I know most of us hold doggystyle real high, but I know some
people who look at doggy stylelike the Chronic Light.
Speaker 1 (02:54:13):
Those people are stupid.
Those people are stupid.
We can't help those you can'tfix stupid.
Speaker 4 (02:54:19):
AG.
Speaker 1 (02:54:19):
You can't fix stupid, Please don't AG.
You can't fix stupid, pleasedon't try here's what I will
tell you For everything thatthis is just my personal
Perspective of it and this is anopinion, so I'm not saying this
like fact.
It's definitely up for bait andup for discussion.
The rat machine as we know itexists because doggy style
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exists.
There was no machine beforedoggy style this is the machine.
Speaker 4 (02:54:49):
There was no machine.
Speaker 1 (02:54:50):
Before doggy style there was no.
Put a rapper in the mix, addwater and watch the shit blow up
and become no.
And so for everything thatEnter the Wu-Tang is and
innovation, doggy style is tothe machine.
So when you're bringing up thegritty versus clean context,
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it's like, yes, but never hasthe gritty been done so well,
but never has the clean beendone so well.
That's what I'm telling you.
Production-wise, you can golisten to some of the stuff
engineering-wise on Doggystyleand you're like, oh shit, this
shit sound clean today it shouldsound clean today.
Speaker 3 (02:55:29):
But that machine is the impact that Doggystyle have.
But 36 may like restructure thegame on how group individual
solo members.
I look at 36 chambers, likejordan signing with nike for the
air jordan, because before youknow, I'm saying when in 85,
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when he was with jordan, noplayer had signature shoes.
It was players had team colors.
They were signed with converse,whatever, jordan was the first
signature shoot and the gamechanged, broke wide open after
that for people to do that.
I look at 36 Chambers, what theWu-Tang did with that album RZA
masterminded that to parlayindividual deals for every solo
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member at different labels, tobreak the game wide open and to
pioneer other groups doing thesame thing.
I I very much liken what 36chamber is to michael jordan
signing the nike, like it's thatbig for hip-hop it is okay.
Speaker 1 (02:56:31):
So how about this?
Let me give you a final doggystar argument.
Well, all everybody on the eastcoast was talking about in late
93 and early 94 was bringingthe East Coast back.
Why was that?
Why did they have to bring theEast Coast back?
Speaker 3 (02:56:50):
Doggy style, that's true, and this is the same year.
I forgot about that.
This is the same year.
Speaker 1 (02:56:57):
Thank you.
And this would be thetiebreaker, because if we just
if we talking about it in realtime.
As much as I love wu-tang clan,we were all there.
We all know who themotherfucking man was and it was
snoop.
He had, he had the records, hehad the album, he had the sales,
he had the no, no, he hadeverything in spades.
So as much as I love into thewu-tang, this is.
Speaker 4 (02:57:18):
How about this?
Speaker 1 (02:57:19):
Doggy Style is the reason that Into the Wu-Tang is
not in my top five.
You know what I'm saying,because I don't have the Chronic
in my top five either.
Speaker 4 (02:57:26):
Doggy Style is the reason.
Speaker 1 (02:57:27):
The Chronic and Into the Wu-Tang, aren't in my top
five, didn't they?
Speaker 4 (02:57:30):
release a couple weeks apart from one another.
Speaker 3 (02:57:34):
No, that was 36.
Speaker 1 (02:57:36):
36 and Tribe came out the same day I think that's my
favorite one A month apartNovember, late November to late
December, literally a monthdifference in time.
Speaker 3 (02:57:47):
Well, my top five is literally no particular order,
like you know Illmatic 36,doggystyle Chronic and Cuban
Link.
That's my top five, noparticular order.
Speaker 1 (02:57:58):
So mine is Illmatic.
The Purple Tape DoggystylePayton Full it Takes a Nation.
Then, literally right afterthat, enter the Wu-Tang, the
Chronic Low End Theory.
Speaker 3 (02:58:09):
We got to take this to the chat.
Speaker 4 (02:58:11):
I already did.
Let me see what it said.
Who went in the?
Speaker 3 (02:58:14):
chat.
I want to say 36, but I can'tmove it on without.
Speaker 4 (02:58:20):
Doggy style, doggy style, winning 69% to 33%, we
got to move doggy style.
Speaker 3 (02:58:25):
Then we got to be objective Doggy style, doggy
style.
I fall hard for 36.
Speaker 1 (02:58:30):
I love 36.
I told y'all I wouldn't besurprised if both of these I
told you doggy style.
Doggy style man.
Speaker 4 (02:58:38):
But I'm with it, though.
Appreciate you, esquire.
They came out the same month.
Okay, that's what's up.
Speaker 3 (02:58:44):
That's what's up.
All right, so we got Illmaticversus the Chronic.
Speaker 4 (02:58:51):
Man, you know where I'm going with this.
Speaker 1 (02:58:52):
We're not doing the Chronic versus Doggy style.
We are not.
Speaker 3 (02:58:57):
That's your rationale .
Speaker 1 (02:58:59):
I refuse that's right .
I refuse to argue that I'm notdoing that.
Speaker 3 (02:59:03):
I think, in a lot of ways, these albums are the
inverse of one another.
Nas is the superior MC with anall-star cast of producers, and
Dre is the all-star producerwith an all-star cast of rappers
, first of all, and Dre is theall-star producer with an
all-star cast of uh, you knowrappers.
Speaker 1 (02:59:21):
So and first of all, even though we do not like how
we got here when your last fouralbums are into the Wu Tang, the
chronic dog, silent, illmatic.
Oh no, we still did somethingright, guys.
We still did something right.
It's called hip hop.
Hip hop did something right,yeah, yeah, hip-hop did
something, no matter how youwant to toss and turn it, it's
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like well, let's be clear aboutthis.
These are four of the best 10rap albums of all time, are they
not?
Speaker 3 (02:59:53):
Then they still work.
Speaker 1 (02:59:54):
Even though you and your girl tried to cheat, even
though Sean tried to knock Jayout and even though Sean tried
to knock J out and even thoughSean tried to elevate what you
had to be, we still sitting overhere with the chronic and doggy
style.
Speaker 3 (03:00:06):
I like what you said, coop, about the top 10 rap
albums of our time.
Listen to me run down our EliteEight Death Certificate.
Doggy Style, the Infamous 36Chambers.
It Takes a Nation Illmatic,ready to Die.
And the Chronic.
Speaker 1 (03:00:18):
Those are all top 20 rap albums.
Those are all top 20 rap albums.
Ready to Die might be theweakest rap album out of all of
those.
Matter of fact, Ready to Die isthe weakest rap album out of
all those.
Speaker 3 (03:00:31):
Who said it?
I didn't, but I think it a lotof times.
Let's be honest.
I'm trying to be fair and getfeelings out here.
All right Now the Chronic isfantastic, but to me it's not
beating out Illmatic.
Speaker 1 (03:00:45):
So are we all in agreement on that.
Yeah, and now we have see.
This is my favorite matchup,this is a tough one.
Speaker 3 (03:00:58):
Look at the road that Illmatic had to travel, though
to your point Coop Ridiculous.
Cuban links, takes the Nationand the Chronic.
Speaker 1 (03:01:09):
Right, okay, so if this was war, illmatic wouldn't
have any legs or arms right now.
We'd just be throwing his bodyout, because he would have lost
everything in the previous threerounds.
We'd just be throwing the bodyof Illmatic out.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no.
The Chronic took his arms, okay.
Purple Pig took his legs.
Leg leg, arm head, like RZAsaid, leg leg arm, head yeah.
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Protrons electrons always causeexplosion.
Word, word.
Speaker 4 (03:01:38):
What are we doing?
What are we?
Speaker 3 (03:01:39):
doing here?
Are we doing here?
I know where my vote lies.
Speaker 1 (03:01:42):
My vote lies with ilmatic, but this is definitely
a discussion it is actually agnow that you've done this and
we've taken it this far.
First of all, we put ilmatic upin this chat, so nas is going
to win, but I think we shouldobjectively take this poll to
all of our social media accountsand collect data.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, so, andso what I'll tell you is is that
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we actually need to table thisand let everybody really vote
and tally up.
You know, you know we can, wecan literally.
You know we did our bracket.
It's down to illmatic and doggystyle.
Let's let the people decide,because I think those are two
wonderful albums to pick from.
And they are cool.
And personally for me.
Well, I got one album at numberone and I got one album at
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number four and the last time Ihad a conversation about these
two albums I literally said Isaid the separation between
album one and album four ispreference, because they're all
comparable and that would beDoggy Style.
It Takes a Nation Purple Tapeand the Omatic to me.
Speaker 3 (03:02:46):
I like that Cool.
Speaker 1 (03:02:49):
We got to be a part of the people.
Let's let the people decide,Because think about it, I'm with
it.
Think about it too, Althoughthis the album West Coast niggas
love the most.
And this the album East Coastniggas love the most.
And this the album.
Speaker 3 (03:03:01):
East Coast niggas love the most.
Let them vote.
I don't want to disrespectChronic like that because you
keep saying no, but I know somany people that put the Chronic
over Doggy Style yeah themniggas, old though I mean, it's
just one year how about thispeople?
Speaker 1 (03:03:16):
from our generation need to understand something
about the Chronic that theydon't really acknowledge.
Our generation swears by theChronic.
Our generation swears by doggystyle, and so does the
generation after us, and that'sthe difference, guys.
There's a generation after usthat swears by doggy style too,
that does not swear by theChronic, and that's what all the
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old ass niggas that keeptalking about the Chronic keep
on.
Speaker 3 (03:03:39):
It is crazy what difference a year can make,
though, but you know what's themost remarkable thing about this
?
Both of these are debut albums.
That's insane.
Speaker 1 (03:03:48):
There's the two best debut albums of all time by
rappers.
Both are important to theirsolo, solo rap.
Solo rappers yeah, best solodebuts ever.
Yes, if you were naming bestsolo rap debuts of all time,
where would you go?
This would be the two albumsyou'd go to.
Speaker 4 (03:04:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:04:07):
You'd be like where the hits, where the records?
Where the sales Doggystyle?
Where the songs?
Where the culture?
Where the hip-hop Illmatic?
Speaker 3 (03:04:13):
Let's do a comprehensive vote with the
people, let's put it in our chatin here and then we'll take it
in our chat to socials.
Speaker 4 (03:04:20):
I just did, I just put it in there.
I got it 75-25.
Speaker 1 (03:04:24):
What's going on, Sean ?
75-25.
Speaker 4 (03:04:29):
70-30, but it's still changing.
That's 45 votes so far 70 infavor of what?
We know where we at.
We have a large base right.
I think we're at.
We have a large Nas base right.
Right but.
I think we're contextualizingall of this regardless, Because
even with Coop, you asked Poeticreally well about doggy style.
But here's the thing aboutIllmatic.
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I think that, to me, is thetiebreaker.
You're talking about closingthe chapter of the Old Testament
of hip-hop and going to a NewTestament of hip-hop with
Illmatic.
Illmatic was that unique bridgebecause it had elements of the
Old Testament of hip-hop.
Yes, it opened up the door forthe New Testament of hip-hop
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because it changed everythingaround.
It made rappers even old andnew, old, current and those who
was coming after him.
They had to figure out how torap again Because there was no
more.
You couldn't do the Rat-a-tatrapping anymore, you couldn't do
the pity-patting anymore.
Speaker 1 (03:05:31):
Kane couldn't do his shit.
No more, either Kane and KRScouldn't do their shit.
Speaker 3 (03:05:34):
no more, either, nobody talks about this, but I
know Eric B and Rakim broke up,but Rakim disappeared for a
little while.
He saw Nas's come up.
Nas said he used Ra's studiotime to record when Ra wouldn't
show up at the studio.
Nobody talks about Rakim didn'tput out another album for years
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after Nas got on the scene.
You know what?
Speaker 4 (03:06:01):
happened.
Think about this All of thosestyles Kane, rob, even Chris
Fushnikins all of those stylesthat were popular, hammer, all
of them that was doing theirthing when Illmatic came out.
It changed things so much thatthose guys damn near please
don't nobody come at me hardcore, but they damn near became
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extinct.
Lesson got out of the way.
That style could not transforminto what he was doing.
Speaker 3 (03:06:31):
It's a flagpole moment in hip-hop.
Speaker 1 (03:06:35):
So here's what happened.
Yes, rock M stepped away, butit also gave Rock M the
confidence to step back inbecause, unlike everybody else,
rock M's the only one thatdidn't have to change a thing
because, quite frankly, what Naswas doing was his shit.
Yes, no, you're right.
So Rock M didn't have to change.
Cool G-Rap.
Speaker 3 (03:06:55):
KRS change.
Let's be clear about G-Rap.
Neither did G-Rap G-R-A changed, let's be clear.
Let's be clear about G-Rap.
Neither did G-Rap.
G-rap is the father to NasStyle in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1 (03:07:03):
How about this?
Okay, and I agree with that,and he did change and I think
that hurt him when he came back.
Speaker 3 (03:07:12):
G-Rap, you think it did Mm-hmm.
I don't know if his fan basewas big enough to hurt him bad.
In general, I think his fanbase just was what it was.
I look at G-Rap of the AZ ofthe era before him.
Speaker 1 (03:07:25):
I can see that I will say this, and this is something
that I've noticed from ourdialogue too.
This, more than anything else,might be the thing that makes us
feel so special about Illmatic.
All of these albums that we'vebeen talking about that are
comparable to Illmatic guys.
They're all heavy group MCefforts Doggy Sal, heavy group
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MC effort, Enter the Wu-TangPurple Tape, and so that.
So the records that stick outto me the most are the soloist
mic performance, that would beNas on Illmatic, Chuck B on it
Takes a Nation of Millions Rock,Him on Paid in Full and Ice
Cube on Death Certificate.
Speaker 3 (03:08:08):
That's what we picked out about them.
The degree of difficulty.
Speaker 1 (03:08:12):
Right, and actually my main takeaway from all of
this and I've always kind offelt this way and it keeps
happening we've got to starthaving the conversation about
Death.
Cert, my main takeaway from allof this and I've always kind of
felt this way and it keepshappening we got to start having
a conversation about Death.
Speaker 4 (03:08:25):
Certificate as a top 10 rap album.
Speaker 1 (03:08:26):
Absolutely, we really need to start having that
conversation, the main thingthat I've noticed from this
conversation the DeathCertificate has all the things
that a top 10 rap album has, andwe don't talk about it enough
like it does.
Speaker 3 (03:08:34):
And that's not enough credit.
Speaker 2 (03:08:37):
Not enough credit.
Think about it Because thinkabout the other albums that
we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:08:40):
It's like no.
And this is nothing againstRakim, it's nothing against Chup
, this ain't nothing against Nas.
Oh, ice Cube's solo mission onDeath Certificate is the longest
of all those great solomissions.
Hasn't got the most bars Right.
Speaker 3 (03:08:55):
Right and real quick.
Coop, I want to give you a lotof credit because you said this
before we even started thebracket.
You said that the only personI'm not the only person, but the
only original awarded five micalbum that's going to come out
of this alive is Illmatic.
Our final four was Illmatic,which was awarded five mics
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originally.
Doggystyle, which was awardedfive mics originally.
Doggy style, which was awardedfour mics originally.
The chronic, which was awarded4.5 originally, and 36 chambers,
which was awarded four and ahalf originally.
You caught it from the get go.
You caught it from the jump.
Speaker 1 (03:09:32):
I already knew, because when I read your bracket
for the first time it made methink are we sure it's the Bible
, With all these four and ahalfs and fours walking around?
Speaker 4 (03:09:41):
A lot of yeah what Rubik was used.
Speaker 1 (03:09:44):
A lot of missteps, man.
Think about it, it's a lot ofmissteps.
It's easy to be you know youcan't be no Bible when you miss
the death certificate.
Listen, death certificate.
Chronic doggy style insuccessive years.
Speaker 3 (03:10:01):
No, yeah, but I respect them for doubling back
and saying we were wrong, though, you know, but that's after the
people had spoken, you knowyeah, I mean that's after you, I
mean that'd be funny, it's likemonday morning quarterback I
mean?
Speaker 1 (03:10:14):
I mean, when you get an extortant and somebody got
the gun to your head, you'regonna drop it in the bag.
You really don't have a choiceat that point.
Speaker 4 (03:10:21):
Put that shit in my bag.
It is an East coast publication, so of course that was a big
part of it.
Speaker 1 (03:10:28):
That's what I'm really trying to get at.
But no, but this is what I mean.
Are they our Bible Cause I'mbringing up the West coast
albums.
But AG just said Liquid Sportsdidn't even get a five-mic
buyback in.
Why doesn't Infamous and thePurple Tape have four-and-a-half
mics?
Why does Reasonable Doubt havefour mics?
Why does Ready to Die havefour-and-a-half mics?
The fuck is you niggas doing?
You wish to eat those shit, butthe fuck is you niggas doing?
Speaker 3 (03:10:50):
Just for context, real quick, before we get out of
here, the ones that wereretroactively awarded five mics
the four and a half werebreaking atoms by main source.
Death certificate by ice cube.
The chronic by dr dre 36chambers by wu-tang ready to die
by big and um the infamous bymob deep only built for cuban
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links by rayquan and um thechronic 2001 by dre.
The ones that were awarded forthe originally awarded four mics
that got five wereretroactively, were Grippin' on
that Other Level by the GhettoBoys, doggy Style by Snoop the
Diary by Scarface Me Against theWorld by Pac, the Score by the
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Fugees and Reasonable Doubt byJay-Z.
Speaker 1 (03:11:33):
How can you have the Score by the Fugees in there and
not have Liquid Swords in there?
Speaker 4 (03:11:37):
Exactly Because it's the hype, it was the hype, right
.
Speaker 1 (03:11:44):
There are core Wu-Tang fans to this day, guys
that still feel like LiquidSwords is better than the Purple
Tape.
That's how serious LiquidSwords is.
There are people that swearthat.
I've had full-fledged argumentswith hardcore hip-hop heads.
They will literally break downsong for song and track for
track, while Liquid Swords isbetter than the Purple.
Speaker 3 (03:12:02):
Tape Cuban Leaks is just not fair, because you got a
tandem and RZA was on somethingelse.
Man, I just you know he's onsomething else.
Speaker 1 (03:12:11):
Okay, and maybe it's a style thing, I enjoy the beats
on Liquid Swords just as muchas I enjoy the beats on the
Purple Tape.
I think it's just Ray and Ghostare more exciting MCs, and so
Prince is getting more excitingbeats, right.
Speaker 4 (03:12:25):
It was very colorful.
Speaker 3 (03:12:27):
He didn't know which chamber to tap into for his
artists Look here.
Speaker 1 (03:12:38):
And this is what I mean about the production on
Liquid Swords.
It's like, oh no, when youlisten to the beat of Fourth
Chamber, you like kill a priestand ghost face in the jizz and
Riz about to rap over this beatLike nah.
And then it come in and youlike To me that's rap metal.
Speaker 3 (03:12:53):
That's rap metal.
I love that song.
You're like this guy's afucking genius.
Speaker 1 (03:12:56):
It sound like World War III.
Speaker 3 (03:12:58):
Yep, that's rap metal right there.
Speaker 4 (03:13:00):
Why is it all?
Speaker 1 (03:13:01):
wet.
Why did you just grab the rope?
That's my favorite ghost shit.
That's when ghosts came out tome.
When ghosts said that shit, Iwas like yo.
Speaker 3 (03:13:14):
Listen, that was my first concert I ever went to in
97, when they was on tour withRage Against the Machine.
When that joint rang off, themwhite boys in the mosh pit was
going crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:13:22):
Rap metal.
You gotta look like two dogsstuck.
Iron man be sipping rum out ofStanley Cup, Mighty mighty.
Speaker 3 (03:13:31):
Yo, this was mad fun guys.
No, no, no, this was a greatidea AG.
Speaker 1 (03:13:37):
This was one of the better.
This is one of the more funcontent pieces that I've had fun
doing in all my years ofpodcasting.
Speaker 3 (03:13:42):
It was tough.
It was tough.
Speaker 1 (03:13:46):
Great conversation.
Speaker 4 (03:13:49):
I want to give light to all of this because, for
those of you who are watchingand everything, y'all need to
understand how we curate.
We all have three differentminds, three different spirits
when it comes to hip-hop.
When we first talked about this, the original piece of this was
going to be a conversationaround five mics.
That was the originalconversation.
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We had this in a chamber forprobably over two months, two to
three months.
We thought about it and AG andI had a conversation.
We said how can we get cool, toget tight on some polling shit?
That's how we started thisconversation.
That's how we started theconversation.
I said yo.
Ag said well, let's try to do abracket.
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I said let's take the five-micconversation and put it in a
bracket to see how that looks.
Speaker 1 (03:14:39):
Okay.
So, guys, not being funny,trife hit us with the 50 bucks
classic segment.
Shout out, trife, Appreciateyou bro.
Hey, not being funny, guys, andthis is what I mean.
Is it really the Bible?
Because listen to all thealbums that you just named that
got recertified, okay, whatabout Southern Playalistic
Cadillac music and ATLians?
(03:14:59):
What about Soul Food by GoodyMob?
You feel what I'm saying, like,what about those three albums?
Yeah, what about 8 Ball andMJG's Coming Out Hard?
Speaker 3 (03:15:10):
That's Deshaun's point.
It's an.
Speaker 1 (03:15:12):
East.
Speaker 3 (03:15:13):
Coast publication.
They're not going to extendtheir hand too far to the south
or the west UGK's Riding Dirtyyou feel what.
Speaker 1 (03:15:20):
I'm saying See, cool, that's where you got Breaking
Adams as my main source, but youdon't have two lives through,
as nasty as they want to be.
That's our Breaking Adams downhere.
Speaker 4 (03:15:30):
You feel me it is, see, cool, that's the thing.
That's where we need to maybe apart two to have the
conversation around this.
We take it to the South, andtake it to the Midwest, and take
it to the West coast.
Speaker 1 (03:15:43):
Lil' Kim's hardcore better than the score, shit yeah
.
Speaker 3 (03:15:47):
But yeah to Sean's point, it was a lot of curating
that went into this and then Iwas like thinking hard as hell,
trying to figure out a way tocome up with the seedings.
That wasn't a heavy lift.
Speaker 1 (03:15:57):
And, like I said, you know what I would actually like
to do.
When we get done with all thisand all this comes out, maybe we
just need to reset thebarometer and just come up with
the five Mike albums by yearthat actually were five Mike
albums.
Speaker 3 (03:16:13):
That list would be a lot longer.
I know that.
Speaker 1 (03:16:16):
That's cool, but it needs to be done, and done
properly, because they didn't doit properly.
They still didn't go back andfix it, then some of the stuff
we need to have legitimateconversations about.
Think about this Ghost is a top10 MC.
Ghost didn't have one entry inhere.
Speaker 3 (03:16:31):
No, but he had Cuba Links in there.
He contributed.
Speaker 4 (03:16:36):
Iron man is going to revisit it.
Iron man is a great CD, if Itell you it should be revisited?
Speaker 3 (03:16:42):
Yeah, and it should be.
And not to mention the play-in.
To even get here, like I mean,we're all of a certain age,
we're in our early 40s, butthose play-in albums were tough.
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (03:16:56):
Those tough are some of the decisions we made in live
time with some of the albums.
Speaker 3 (03:17:01):
Those albums from 88, 89?
Look.
Speaker 4 (03:17:06):
It was written out and we left Hell on Earth out
Both would have gave a lot ofmoney, Money waters.
Speaker 3 (03:17:15):
Would have given more money.
Like I said, it was hard to putthis together and not be biased
.
In the easiest way I figured Icould do that is like well, the
five mics was coveted early on,so if you were able to achieve
that early on, you get thehigher ranking.
I mean, I'm not, I'm not tryingto be mean but some people need
to be.
Speaker 1 (03:17:34):
This is why I'm saying we need to revisit it.
It's like I don't know.
Some people deserve five mics,some people need to be d mic.
Some of these five mic albumsare not five mic albums.
I've been saying for a longtime that, as much as I love
tribe called quest, people'sinstinctive isn't a five, it's a
four, four and a half.
It's not a five, because thelow end theory of midnight
marauders is a five.
How can you listen to those?
(03:17:55):
two albums and take the pinkpeople on the same level we need
to swap some.
Speaker 3 (03:17:58):
So we of this shit, but let's shoot them some bail.
People's Instinctive was thefirst to get that.
Speaker 1 (03:18:04):
We're kind of having revisionist history and saying
Midnight Marauders is a low-endtheory, but at that time they
thought that was the pinnacleyou see what I'm saying, but
respectfully speaking, for whenPeople's Instinctive came out,
long Live the Cane had alreadycame out, which is a better
(03:18:26):
album.
Payton Fully and Follow theLeader it came out.
It Takes a Nation it came out.
Grace and Venture's Slick Rickit came out.
Oh no, they already knew what aclassic looked like, so they
had no business giving it a fiveany goddamn way.
That's right For real.
Like so they had no businessgiving it any goddamn way.
That's real, because nobody intheir right mind thinks that
people's instinctive is on thesame level as painful and
criminal-minded.
(03:18:46):
And it takes a nation and thegreatest adventures of slick
rick, and that's what I mean.
Are we sure that they're thebible?
Because really, what you'retelling me is people's
instinctive got the first five,you're telling me.
You've been fucking it up fromthe jump is what you've been
telling me.
Speaker 3 (03:18:59):
I texted Sean.
I was like yo remember I textedyou.
I was like yo, these albumsthat got the fours and the four
and a half might wax the onesthat got the five.
Speaker 1 (03:19:07):
Back up.
They didn't revisit Moment ofTruth and give it five.
No, I'm out.
I'm out, show's over.
Speaker 3 (03:19:15):
No Gangstar album is on here.
Speaker 1 (03:19:20):
Not Moment of Truth, not Hard to Earn, nothing,
unless you want to watch CoopUnwrapped.
Before the show Coop Unwrappedcomes out, we're going to end
this show.
Speaker 4 (03:19:27):
We broke it down into pillars.
We broke it down like theoriginal five, the 4.5s, the 4s.
It was going to be thatintricate, just to show how much
they were off the mark.
Speaker 1 (03:19:41):
And then the ones that weren't rated in the first
place, and this is what I meanabout the Southern thing.
It's like oh no, they gaveProject Pat, mr Don't Play,
three mics.
That'll get you murdered downhere.
I'm joking, memphis niggas willhurt you about that shit.
You get Mr Don't Play Becausepeople down here Mr Don't Play
is our purple tape.
That's just heavy on it.
Speaker 3 (03:20:03):
But what I love about how this bracket turned out was
a lot of the ones that you know.
Just like this NCAA tournamentis going to turn out, it's never
a case where all number oneseeds make it to the final four.
You know what I'm saying.
The albums that were in thelower seedings that got four and
four and a half ratings.
They made up 75 percent of thefinal four.
So you know, the bracket isreally realistic in that way.
(03:20:27):
And you know, shout out to mygirl for my helping me put
together.
She put a lot of work in it.
You know what I'm saying.
So I'd be remiss if I didn'tsay that.
You know what I'm saying.
This is hard to do and hard tojudge too.
Even when I was like puttingthem together, I was like I
wasn't trying to judge itbecause I wanted to save my real
reaction for the show, but someof these joints was crazy.
Speaker 4 (03:20:47):
It was tough.
Speaker 1 (03:20:49):
LP saying Getty Green is better than Mr Don't Play.
That's how I know.
You're not from down here, Allright.
Speaker 3 (03:20:54):
LP the Queens get the money too.
Lp.
Lp the Queens get the money too.
Lp.
Shout out LP.
But yo, this is mad fun y'allfor real Shout out to the chat.
Speaker 1 (03:21:03):
We appreciate y'all.
We appreciate y'all staying solong and hard in the chat with
us.
We still got over 100 peoplerocking with us in the chat, so
we appreciate y'all all lovingsupport I mean take us home,
please, sir.
Speaker 3 (03:21:14):
Yo real quick.
It's been a lot of brackets outhere because we in bracket
season, but we did ours right.
Speaker 4 (03:21:23):
No doubt Ours is the one Like, share, subscribe New
content, mirror music, unwrap,hip-hop talks.
We got a lot of stuff going onfellas Stoop stories coming soon
, if you don't want your podcasthost dancing all in the
brackets.
Come to Hip Hop Talks, takingyour color fonts and shit, doing
(03:21:45):
all kinds of weird goofy stuffNiggas want to take everything
for a nigga Much love to all thepods though, straight up and
down, those who are local, thosewho are really out there, the
big pods, small pods, everybodyin between.
We appreciate everybody,appreciate the love.
It's a contact sport, let'shave fun.
Speaker 1 (03:22:05):
We appreciate y'all Appreciate y'all, I want to
thank all of you guys out therethat have been biting my style
and my material for the lastfive years.
What the heck is this?
I want to thank all you.
I want to thank all you, I wantto thank all you weak-ass
niggas who can't touch me.
I want to thank all you forcoming out.
(03:22:26):
It's been a pleasure.
It's been a pleasure and anhonor stunting on you, talking
shit about you to your face,behind your back, around your
baby mama, and all that it'sbeen a pleasure.
Yo like share subscribe.
Don't come to Atlanta with yourgirl I'm taking her Like, share
, subscribe, post on Twitter.
Speaker 4 (03:22:43):
If y'all love this segment, please share it on
Twitter.
We're going to get the visualsout there real soon and we're
going to put the polling outthere as well, for you all to
get on the Twitter and do thepoll thing and the voting thing.
So we're looking forward to theengagement.
So let's get it Peace.
Speaker 1 (03:23:03):
Don't bring your girl to Atlanta.
You share that girl oh.
Speaker 4 (03:23:12):
Yo bleep messed our whole song up AG Around here
Around here, yo, we still live.
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