JIM JONES, Best in NYC? + 50 Cent, De La Soul, Big Hit, Busta + What's an MC?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Outro Music Yo peace.

(00:41):
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Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yo, yo, what's good, what's good, what's good.

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You know.
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Speaker 2 (01:30):
No doubt, no doubt.
We got a super chat real quickADS, spence, peace.
Appreciate you, bruh.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Spence from Philly Represent.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Represent, represent, appreciate you, jack.
We got a lot of stuff to getinto tonight.
Again, shout out to the team.
Shout out to the crew, shoutout to all of you who actually
tapped in, those of you whoactually was able to get us to
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Thank you all for that.
The homie couldn't be heretonight, but he's definitely
going to be popping up,hopefully soon.

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He had to actually work tonight, so nobody start talking crazy
or nothing like that.
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Shout out to the team.
Shout out to everybody outthere who's listening, who's
watching.
Let's get into it, man.

(02:22):
Let's get into it.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
You want to kick it off with the music anniversaries
.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yes, sir, yes, sir.
So let's start with bdp bdp nowmarch 3rd 1987.
The kid was six years old, yeahman, you know how we don't stay
on this for too long, becauseyou know how I feel about BDP.
You know how I feel about it,so you know.

(02:47):
Especially you know KRS-One.
You're not a big KRS-One fan.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, I recognize his legendary status.
I don't have him in my top ten,but KRS-One came out the gate
with classics, bro, you knowwhat I'm saying.
And he's one of the greatestmcs there is.
I'm just not a fan of hispersona off the mic.
You know the when he's doinginterviews.
But gotta salute this album,man.
It's a classic through andthrough.
So many classic joints on here,you know I'm saying joints that

(03:16):
you know resonate with you alittle bit.
You know, like south bronx, youknow I'm saying the bridge is
over.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
So yeah, yeah, I mean you ain't got to say it out
loud, but I mean, yeah, I don'tknow what you mean to say.
South Bronx is a banger.
Shout out to KRS-One, shout outto Shan.
I don't know what else you wantme to say.
I have no opinion on SouthBronx.

(03:42):
Nah, it's pencil here.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Nine 9mm gold bang was crazy.
I do want to ask you thisbecause I was 6 years old when
this album came out and, youknow granted, I shouldn't have
been listening to it at the timeso roughly around that time
because, you know, my uncle usedto, you know, play this album
all the time.
So that was my exposure to it.
You know, this is not an albumI owned myself, but you know, my
mom's baby brother is only 10years older than me, you know

(04:04):
what time.
So that was my exposure to it.
You know, this is not an albumI own myself, but, um, you know,
my mom's baby brother's, only10 years older than me, you know
what I mean.
So this was his, his era, youknow what I'm saying the hip hop
that he was listening to.
So I was exposed to a lot ofthis stuff at a um, at an early
age.
So was you?

Speaker 2 (04:31):
was you tapped into BDP, you know, when you was like
know six or seven when this wascoming out.
Absolutely, I was seven when itcame out.
Um, so yeah, I was definitelytapped into it.
Um, my ogs, you know my unclesI had an uncle who was a break
dancer.
I had an uncle, um, who was arapper god bless the dead, um.
So yeah, I was, I wasdefinitely tapped in.
This guy was was teaching me youknow exactly what hip hop was,
you know, and not just as musicbut as a culture.
You know exactly what hip hopwas, you know, and not just as
music but as a culture, you know.
So, growing up around thoseuncles, like that, you know,
they told me.
My uncle told me he saidstraight up, he said yo, man,

(04:52):
this kid KRS-One is for real,he's the real deal.
And he was like yo, shan got tobe careful dealing with this
kid.
I just I remember thatconversation as a young boy and
I wish Shan hadn't responded, tobe honest, because I mean,
shout out to sham and Queens getthe money.
You know it was like kill thatnoise as soon as he said that

(05:14):
man, that's right.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
It was dope.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
It wasn't enough, not that time.
And it wasn't enough Cause atthat time you got to think about
it.
You're going up against ahungry KRS-One yeah, a hungry
KRS-One and you got everythingaround him.
You got the Bronx behind himand you know, hip hop started in
the Bronx.
You got all of that going on.
You got so much happening atthat time.

(05:40):
It just is very difficult to beable to manage that.
That's the thing.
The momentum took off and itwas very difficult.
It was very difficult for Shanto keep pace.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
People forget.
Man Shan was a star.
You know what I mean.
He was the more popular artistbetween the two of them at the
time.
I had a conversation with ahomie of mine and we was talking
about um.
You know how important is, uh,the popularity card in a battle.
You know what I'm saying.
And and my whole point to himwas that they don't.

(06:19):
You know, as we seen with thedrake and kendrick lamar thing,
you could be the more popularartists and, you know, still
lose.
Popularity really doesn't doyou any favors at the end of the
day.
You know what I'm saying and Ithink this is one of those cases
, because sham was, you know,clearly the more popular artists
at the time, but he justcouldn't handle.
You know I'm saying what, uh,krs1 was coming with yeah, no

(06:42):
doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
I mean doubt.
I mean again.
I think KRS-One said before hesaid it once before, like if
Shan did not say anything at all, what would happen with him?
Right, If Shan didn't respond.
But like he said, you know it'ship-hop, so you kind of got to
respond.
You kind of got to say somethingand you can't just lay it down.

(07:04):
You just can't lay it down.
But again, shout out to Shan,shout out to the Jews crew,
shout out to KRS-One, but you'redown.
Bdp it was.
It was a great time, time Idon't want to talk about, no
more.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
All right, we can move on.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
What we got.
Next, get the money.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
So the next one, de, yeah to, to speak to that man,
um and me, and you talk a lotbehind the scenes.
So you know I feel like I'm ina safe space saying this because
I know you're kind of in asimilar boat.
I wasn't really, um, I was onto daylight, like you know later
, you know what I'm saying andum, the whole native tongues
movement.
You know I'm saying with, likeyou know, later you know what
I'm saying and um, the wholenative tongues movement.
You know I'm saying with tribe.
You know, daylight of junglebrothers, I wasn't really, I

(07:52):
wasn't really a huge fan, likeyou know, tribe, more so out of
everybody I rock with them, butI was more so listening to, you
know, wu-tang or even before Aand those type of groups or
ghetto boys and that stuff.
So but I respected theirartistry.
But when, um, you know, daylightcame with um, three Feet High

(08:15):
and Rising, I respected it.
I mean had joints on there.
I mean myself and my buddy wasgetting a lot of play in
circulation.
They were feel good.
You know I'm saying recordsthat you know that was bops at
the time and I was good.
You know what I'm sayingRecords that you know there was
bops at the time and I was alittle kid, you know what I'm
saying.
I'm like eight years old orwhatever.
So I'm I'm rocking with thoserecords but just overall I
wasn't really.
You know a lot of people havethis album as a classic but I

(08:39):
wasn't in love with this albumlike that.
Because I appreciated De La asI got older, you know, towards
my later teenage years, more sothan I did when I was like
really young.
But and as far as their owncatalog, I kind of prefer De La
Soul is Dead to 3P High andRising personally, but yeah, I

(09:02):
was kind of late to that partyon De La.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Me too.
I ain't gonna front front.
I'm gonna go sit here and belike I'm a hip-hop head.
I know it.
Nah, I, I was late to thedaylight thing.
I'm be honest.
Um, this came out with 89.
I'm not.
I have eight years old.
I didn't know.
I'm gonna be honest with you.
Uh, potholes in my lawn was theone that stood out to me.
Fun song it was.
You know, I looked at daylightis.
Is that that that group?

(09:26):
But daylight's dead was the onethat caught my attention more
than anything else.
Yeah, same for me.
Yeah, it is.
Daylight kind of predates me,if you will.
When it came to just, althoughwe talked about bdp just now my
ogs have put me on bdp, but itwas mainly because of what they
were doing to Queens Right, soit was like it was a connective

(09:48):
tissue there.
But to say that I was, I was ontop of things when Daylight was
out.
I wasn't, and three feet high.
I respect it now today morethan I respected it back then.
You know, I mean like Iappreciate it today more than I
appreciated it back then.
I'm eight years old.
I couldn't adapt to that.

(10:08):
I'm going to be honest with you.
Word.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
You feel like Paws and News is underrated as an
emcee?
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
I do too.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
I don't think he's talked about enough.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
He's not talked about enough.
I ran into him in the Nashvilleairport after the Woo concert
because he was, you know, heactually performed at the woo
and nas concert a couple yearsago and, uh, I think that was
their second stop, I believe.
And I ran into him at theairport, we was about to to
board and I just did one ofthese things to him and he just

(10:40):
get ahead and I didn't even wantto go and shake his hand or ask
for an autograph because he wastrying to be low key.
I just did one of these thingsto him out of respect.
But real humble guy, man, very,very underrated.
We don't talk about his pingame enough.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
That's a fact and rest in peace to True Way to
Dove, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Absolutely All right.
So a little bit more currentman, A little bit more current
man, A little bit more currentwhat your one of your favorite
rappers of all time.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Top five that are alive.
Kiss.
Talk to Ignatius Yo I, and youcouldn't have said it better,
man.
You posted this on you know theaccount, the Hip Hop Talks
account, twitter today and wastalking about how well rounded
this album was talks accounttwitter today and was talking

(11:27):
about how well-rounded thisalbum was.
I think this was, uh, jada's uhmost mature album and as far as,
like, I feel like it's thealbum he really because, you
know, for those who don't knowum, uh, it's named after his uh
deceased friend and he wanted topay homage, um, you know, to
his friend and work with youknow producers that his you know
friend wanted him to work withor whatnot, and um, and the

(11:49):
subject matter and the way heapproached this album, I really
appreciate it.
It's not my favorite jay to kissalbum, but I think that it was
arguably one of his best effortsbecause he wasn't real uh
formulaic with this album as faras in terms of how he went in
the studio, to how to create it,like that's my only knock

(12:11):
against a lot of jada albums.
You can tell he was like, well,I need a club joint, I need to
join for the chicks, I need astreet banger or you know I need
the concept record.
You know, um, I think he justreally um spoke from his heart.
You know I'm I'm saying on thison this record and you can tell
it and it's pretty dope man.
I give it a solid four and it'shis last last solo effort and

(12:34):
this was five years ago.
So I hear he has a new albumcoming pretty soon.
So I'm definitely anticipatingthat.
But you know this is the lasteffort we have from him and I
think it was a pretty solid oneno doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Um, like I said on the twitter man, this is his
most I think, his most balancedalbum, because you're not
getting super lyrical jada,punchline jada throughout the
entire album, you're gettingintrospection jada on this album
.
I don't have it as his best, orI maybe have around as four,

(13:09):
maybe number four out of thefive I think I have around four.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
I got a four too.
I got Kiss the Game, you agree?
Then Kiss of Death second yeah,I agree.
Then this or Last Kiss wouldeither be third or fourth.
Then Kiss of Death second yeah,I agree.
Yeah, then this or Last Kisswould either be third or fourth.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Last Kiss production is better than this.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
I agree with that.
I do think top five Dead orAlive is the worst album by far.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
And it has some highs on it.
It had a couple of highs on it.
It had a couple of highs on it.
This one is the most complete,from beginning to end.
It's steady, very steady.
Nothing wows you, in my opinion, Nothing really wows you on
this album, but it keeps you inthe pocket because Jada stayed
in the pocket the entire time onthis album because it was a

(14:01):
homage.
It was a homage album to Restin Peace.
I just picked J you could tellthat he was wrestling with this
one as well, you know for thenamesake of the album itself.
So I hold this one pretty nearand dear because I think this is
Jay, that kind of steppingoutside that box that we kind of
put him in as a pure lyricistof Punchline and I feel like

(14:23):
this one he kind of just kind oftook a gamble.
To be quite honest with the pen, he took a gamble.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Right, I feel like the album was my favorite.
One of my favorite Jadakisstracks is Feel Me and Still Feel
Me the emotions he brings forthon those type records.
I feel like he channeled thatinto this album instead of like.
You know what I'm saying,because we just get those tracks
from him every now and then.
But the standout track for mewas obviously Hunting Season,

(14:52):
because everybody was clamoringfor him to finally collab with
Pusha T.
So I'm asking you, who do youthink got that collab on Hunting
Season?

Speaker 2 (15:01):
That was tough.
I think Pusha may have edgedhim just a little bit, though
it's tough, it's tough, it'stough.
Jada did come back, though.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
I got Jada, but I'm biased, though.
I'm biased.
Yeah, he's biased on that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
I mean, but Pusha did his thing, he did his thing.
That's what's up tough, as healways does, as he always does.
We got one more, no, two more,two more Black Rob.
This one is tomorrow.
This is actually for tomorrow,but I wanted to go ahead and get

(15:37):
in there and pause for tonight,so I don't have to wait a whole
week.
This one is special, very.
Look, I think this Black Robalbum is a classic.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I'm not mad at that.
I give it a four and a half micrating.
I think the source gave it afour and a half too, if I'm not
mistaken.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Remember I think they rated it twice prematurely.
They rated prematurely beforeit came out.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Right, because this album took years to make before
it finally came out.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yes, I'm not mad at you calling it a classic.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Say that again.
I'm not mad at you calling it aclassic.
I personally it's very, veryclose.
So I'm not mad at you callingit a classic.
I don't consider it a classic,but I'm not mad at you calling
it a classic.
I don't consider it a classic,but I'm not mad at you calling
it that because it's right onthe cusp for me.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
It is.
I think it's a classic though Ican understand you saying this
on the cusp I think it's aclassic.
I'll be honest with you.
This joint man, it comes tostart off man Life Story.
The intro sets the tone for theentire album and it doesn't.
I mean you keep going.
You got Whoa, you got Lookingat Us.

(16:53):
Can I Live Espacio with Lil'Kim?
Espacio, crazy.
I like Spanish.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Fly.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
I like Spanish Fly.
There's so much the production.
I Dare you Remember.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
I Dare you was their lead single back in like 30, 98.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Crazy.
So it just for me.
I think it's a classic.
I think the only thing again,the production on this joint was
like, probably some of the bestproduction for the bad boy era.
Joint was probably some of thebest production for the Bad Boy
era.
Coincidentally, this is thelast solo album for the Bad Boy

(17:31):
era, isn't it?
Nah, g-depth I don't know if Iwant to count G-Depth in that
Bad Boy era, I'm talking aboutat their prime.
You mean yeah, because G-Depthcame in 2001.
This was 2000.
G-depth came in 2001, maybe.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
This was 2000.
G-depth was probably 2001.
I don't think it was late as2002.
Yeah, I think it was 2001.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
I think this actually came in 99.
This was supposed to come in 98.
Right, but it came in 99.
I thought it was 2000.
Come in 98, but it came in 99,I thought it was 2000.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
It was 2000, it was supposed to come in 98.
Then it got pushed 99, butthat's the thing it kept getting
pushed back over a couple yearsbecause a lot of people was
waiting on that, because we hadfirst heard Black Rob on.
He was mentioned by Big in 97.
You know what I'm saying onLife After Death, black Rob on.
You know what I'm saying?
Well, he's mentioned by Big in97, you know what I'm saying On
Life After Death.
Black Rob joined the mob butain't no.

(18:29):
Well, no, take that back.
That's not on Big's album,that's on Puffy and the Family,
that's on Warning.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
I mean not Warning, that was on Victory.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Black Rob joined the mob.
There ain't no replacing him.
That's why he's still there,yeah, so yeah, I mean we were
waiting for this album and ifI'm not mistaken, I think it was
during the Money Power Respectanniversary, when we was talking
about the Locks album.
I want to say that Coop saidthat this was the you know, not

(19:01):
counting Big, of course, thatthis was the best album that Bad
Boy had put out.
And then my, if I remembercorrectly, my only rebuttal was
you know, of course, you knowPuffy and the Family.
So what say you to that?
Do you agree with that?
Because you know, I know yourank Harlem World really high,
but I'm not mad at that.
Take that Life Story might bethe best album that they put out

(19:24):
overall.
You know what I'm saying, otherthan bigs out.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
I think and I can't forget Sean Sean album did come
out in.
Yes, I think his album came out, was it had to be 2000.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, yeah, cause I remember that was like my
freshman year in college.
Yeah that was 2000.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, that was.
Yeah, that was 2000.
Yeah, that was in Kosovo.
Yeah, that was 2000.
Yeah, I think the production onLife Story is better suited for
the back half of that bad boyera, if that makes sense,
Because you're talking about theChinese suit era and then they

(20:03):
got rock hard, you know, pausedby Rough Riders era coming in
there right In 98, right.
So you're talking about thiscoming off of the heels of that
and I think Black Rob productionand Black Rob he was spitting
and spitting on this album hewas.
It's better to me it's spittingon this album he was.

(20:25):
To me it's better than Sean'salbum.
Yes, I really do.
I really do.
Sean's album is an interestingthing.
I don't want to get in a rabbithole for us, but that album is
an interesting thing becauseBlack Rob should have sold way
more than Sean, right?

Speaker 1 (20:44):
But Woe as a single.
Interesting thing, becauseBlack Rob should have sold way
more than Sean, right, yeah, Imean, but whoa as a single had
all this like traction beforethe album came out and it was
kind of like on the die down bythe time the album finally
dropped.
Yeah, can you imagine justworking whoa as a single for
like maybe a month tops and thenthe album drop, or like a few

(21:06):
weeks tops and then the albumdrop, like that you know.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
But it was out for a while.
Yeah, it ran its course becauseby the time the album dropped,
Woe was kind of like dying downon some, if you will.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, the radio was still playing it.
But you know it's kind of likethe.
You know it's different fromthe streaming era because you
know people latch on to oneparticular song on the album and
keep running streams up,running streams up, like back in
that era, once you purchasedsomething, you had it, it was
yours.
So it's like what was so bigonce it was released on the
cassette single, vinyl single,cd, single, like whatever you

(21:40):
know, maxi single, joint,whatever you know, once you had
it, if that's all you waschecking for, you didn't have
incentive to like cop the album.
You know what I mean If youalready had the single and was
bumping that in rotation so itcould, you know, hurt yourselves
in the long run it waseverywhere.
Man, yeah, yeah, woe was like acrazy banger and it's an escape

(22:01):
of my mind right now, butsomebody else Major had that
beat first before Black Rob gotit and I can't think of it and
it's bugging me.
Do you remember who that was?
Say that again.
Somebody had that beat beforeRob did the Bo beat.
Yes, and I can't think of whoit is.
It's bugging me.
I thought that you would knowoff the top of your head.

(22:22):
I remember seeing it in anarticle that, yeah, he wasn't
the first person that had thatbeat.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
I think I know who you're talking about.
I think I've seen thatsomewhere in an article.
I just don't know exactly whohad it.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Maybe it'll come to me later, but you know the
Hitmen, you know theirproduction they did on this
album, like you said, andspeaking of production, you know
we'd be remiss.
You know we kind of, you know,went through it kind of fast,
but we'd be remiss if we didn'tgive love to Prince Paul and his
production for the Daylightalbum.
You know.

(22:53):
So shout out to Prince Paul.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Prince Paul.
Definitely, definitely a legend, definitely a legend.
Yep, no doubt.
So the last one, 50.
The Massacre Quins.
Do you have this one as asemi-borderline or do you have

(23:18):
this?

Speaker 1 (23:18):
one.
No, it's not a classic.
I don't think it's close tobeing a classic.
It's a very successfulcommercial.
Bro did over $1 million in ashort week it was like four days
because it was released in themiddle of the release cycle.
So he was setting records withthis one.

(23:39):
But me personally, I think it'sa step down from Get Rich or
Die Trying, but it's still asolid album, really good album,
and I don't think Get Rich orDie Trying is so great.
I think this album getsoverlooked a lot.
You know, but 50 did his thingon this album.
But I think the thing that hurtthis album was he really leaned

(24:02):
into the type of songs thatwere hits from get rich.
You know what I mean the likein the clubs and you know the
the, you know the 21 questionstype of songs.
You know I'm saying those,those type of records because,
like your lead single beingcandy shop, and candy shop was
everywhere like don't get ittwisted.
If you was in the club scene atthat time, that was, that was a

(24:24):
big record.
I don't know, man, I just thinkthat this album is a solid
joint but it's not nowhere nearas classic as Get Rich is no,
definitely not.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
I don't want to use the word hurt the album because
I do think that it served hispurpose for what he was going
with and what the song was goingwith, because he dropped candy
shop.
I wasn't a fan of candy shop,but candy shop was going crazy
everywhere else.
I mean it did numbers.
This album did major numbersoff the strength of get rich or

(25:03):
die trying and just the aura of50 at this time as well.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Little Bit did numbers as well.
Like Little Bit was going crazy.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, and I didn't even like that song.
I didn't like that song at all.
The ones that I felt that youknow that like really resonated
with me was like when he got tothat 50 gritty bad.
You know you're talking about,you know in my hood, right, you
know what I'm saying.
You're talking about guns.
Come out.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Guns come out.
It was crazy.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yo, I had the Mercury Mountaineer with 20s on it and
the speakers in the back playingGuns come out going through
Walmart parking lot.
That's nasty.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
That's nasty, that is nasty.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Nasty In a uniform, that's even worse.
I know I'm in a Marine Corpsuniform driving to Walmart
parking lot playing guns.
Come out, that was nasty.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
That is wild.
But you know you're right,because my favorite joints are
Baltimore Love Thing for thestorytelling on there.
Like when 50, 50 really.
You know he, he bled the pit onthat one.
I was like, ok, 50, I see you,because to me he wasn't known
for that.
His storytelling back, you knowwhat I mean I mean, he could go

(26:21):
there.
But, like I was, I was reallyshocked by that record.
And then I'm Supposed to DieTonight.
Love that record.
To me this is going to soundcrazy but I like, I'm Supposed
to Die Tonight more than manymen.
That's how much I love thatrecord Really.
Yes, same vibe, you know what Imean.

(26:43):
Like same tone, but I preferI'm Supposed to to die tonight.
And then this is 50 is a banger.
That's another joint on therethat goes crazy.
Like the gritty tracks on here,like you said, they I mean they
, they they hold the albumstandard pretty high, but you
know it's the other tracks, thecommercial driven tracks, that

(27:03):
drop it down, in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
That's you know what, man.
It's funny you say that because, hold on, I just got a message
on shout out to LB.
Your boy, memphis Bleak, wassupposed to get woke.
I'm so glad.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Oh it was Bleak.
Thanks, lb, it was Bleak.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Bleak, wouldn't have known what to do with that, bro?
No, imagine, imagine MemphisBleak wouldn't know what to do
with that, bro.
No, imagine Memphis Bleakgetting Woke.
Yo, that's nasty.
That was a belly laugh.
That's hilarious.
Shout out to Memphis, Bleak man.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Memphis.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Bleak is.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yo shout out to LB.
You know For the phone.
A friend.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Appreciate that.
Nah, but for real, though, forreal, I honestly thought that I
haven't heard anybody say that Iguess many men, many men plays
different, he plays different,it plays different everywhere.
It means so much more thananything else, Anything else.

(28:05):
I never thought about that.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
I look at that song as a sequel to that, like a
direct lineage to it.
I've always looked at it thatway.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I ain't thought aboutthat.
I might think about that somemore, but now I can see that I
can see I wouldn't have.
I still have many men very,very high because of everything
that it captures.
Um, I'm supposed to die tonightto me still second fiddle to
many men both of them dark, bothof them great tracks.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
But if I'm gonna put one on, I'm gonna, I'm gonna put
I'm supposed to die tonightfirst.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
No, I gots.
No, I got that song in my head.
Now the Guns Come Out.
Dre lost his mind on that man,he went crazy.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
I was going to ask you this, though, because the
album already did stupid numbers.
I think it sold 11 millionworldwide.
I think six of those was US.
Was Magic Stick?
Was that supposed to be on thisalbum when he gave it to Kim,
or was that a leftover from theGet Rich sessions?

Speaker 2 (29:15):
If I remember somebody in the chat.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ithink that it was a leftover
from Get Rich.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Okay, because what I was saying, because I thought I
could have swore I readsomewhere in an article that it
was left leftover from Get Rich.
Okay, because what I was saying, because I thought I could have
swore I read somewhere in anarticle that it was left off the
album because it was in thesame vein as Candy Shop.
So that's why he gave it to Kim.
But I could be wrong, but atany rate, you know what I'm
saying.
Dude has so many hits.
He was just giving away stuff,you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, I mean he was on a roll man.
When you're in a role like that, you got the hot hand.
He had the hot hand.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
But much respect for 50, because at the end of the
day nobody's put their crew onand like really had them eat off
their personal success morethan 50.
What he did you know what I'msaying, with Beg for Mercy
coming off of Get Rich or DieTrying and then set, you know,
the GU members up for success.
You know Banks, buck and Yeo inprison to come home to success

(30:13):
before he put out his secondsolo album.
You know that hasn't beenduplicated before man.
So his model that he had was inthe 50s a super smart
businessman.
We know that.
So you know I salute him onthat.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
He really looked out cj said was supposed to be on
get rich.
Yeah, okay, yeah, that's what Ithought.
I know it was on get richbecause I think it was like in
the back half.
Um, I think it was in the backhalf of the album that he was
making it, because, you know,get rich is like a lot of songs
on there like three or fouryears old, right right.
But I think Majestic was one ofthose that came out in the back

(30:49):
half of it.
Yes, straight up.
Reezy Lyric is right.
Majestic would have fit GetRich or Die, trying perfectly In
that first half of the album.
it would have been nicelyplanted there, but again he had
the hot hand.
It was giving everybody hits.
Let's move on, man.

(31:09):
Let's talk about that Meeksingle.
What do you think about thatMeek single?

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, friday with Meek.
It's kind of funny because I'mnot a big Meek fan.
I mean I can rock with Meek,like I really love the
Championships album and you knowDreams and Nightmares, you know
I rock with Meek but I'm not areal big Meek fan and the

(31:37):
yelling and emotional like hisdelivery and all that, I'm
usually not with that.
But it fit this track.
The emotion of what he wassaying in this track, I think it
fit that and I think it was a,you know, pretty dope verse, man
, I rock with it.
Man, you know I'm saying andand it was dope more than
anything to see, you know me putsomething else because, because

(31:58):
he's been pretty quiet for awhile now, you know what I mean.
So for him to come out withthis verse, I think you know
it's pretty dope.
Yo, for him to come out withthis verse, I think it's pretty
dope.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yo shout out to Philly man.
Yo Spence, Yo, spence.
Yo shout out to Spence inPhilly the Philly Bull.
Nah man, I like this meat, Ilike this version of meat right.
Because this version of meat itbe spittin'.
This is the emotion part of meat.
This is when he grabs you withthe emotion.
Right, you know, this is theversion of me that I think that

(32:27):
that serves best and you want to.
You don't get it often.
You don't get this version ofme often because I don't think
it's.
I don't think you should getthis version of me often.
I don't think this version ofme should be throughout the
entire album.
To be quite honest, right, thisis when you drop it every now
and then and you say, hey,here's, I'm that guy, I can

(32:48):
still do that.
Um, I enjoyed this song.
You know, am I looking forwardto a meat album?
Not really.
I'm being honest with you ifI'm being completely honest.
But if he's going to drop this,then maybe drop another one
like this couple of months fromnow.
I'm okay with that.
Um, but again, this is the meatthat you want to hear for me.
For me, this is the meat thatyou want to hear For me.
This is the meat I want to hear.
I don't want to hear that othermeat, that other stuff that

(33:10):
meat be doing and that Twittermeat stuff.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
He need to log out of Twitter.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, no disrespect to Philly at all.
Shout out to my Philly peopleNah, I like this portion of meat
, not the other pieces.
Yeah, this was dope, no doubt,no doubt.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
So we got.
We got new full projectsinstead of just songs.
Which one you want to go tofirst?

Speaker 2 (33:34):
I'm gonna do the big hit.
Let's go, big hit.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Man shout out the big hit, man free, free, big hit,
you know, and um, that's thename of the album.
But you know, for real, free,big.
You know, and that's the nameof the album.
But you know, for real, free,big Hit, you know, locked down
right now I'm going to keep it.
Real man, I was disappointed inthis one because we waxed
poetic about, you know, a coupleof big hit projects on our show

(33:58):
.
You know, last year all three ofus me, you and Coop we were
fans of Blacks and Whites.
We were fans of, you know, thecollab album with Game you know
what I'm saying Paisley Dreams,and this one I don't think lived
up to those like at all.
I wasn't really a fan of theproduction.

(34:19):
And then I went and looked tothe credits because I was kind
of thinking was like man, hipboy, it's not in pocket, you
know, like he, like he usuallyis.
You know what I mean, because Iwasn't feeling the production.
But then I looked at theproduction credits and although
hip boy produced majority of thealbum, he didn't produce the
whole album.
So you know I'll shoot him somebail in that regard.
But um, overall I just wasn't,wasn't feeling this.

(34:40):
But I do respect the move.
You know what Hip-Boy's doingfor his dad trying to keep his
name and his legacy out therewhile his pops is locked down.
He recorded a gang of musiclike while he was out for those
you know few years.
You know Hip-Boy was keepingthem in the studio.
So you know these are a lot ofthose tracks I guess from those

(35:02):
sessions and you know Iappreciate his son, hip Boy, you
know doing what he got to do tokeep his pop's legacy alive.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, no doubt.
Free Big Hit man.
Free Big Hit.
I love this.
I like this joint man.
I'm a Big Hit fan.
I'm a Big Hit fan.
He's straight to the point.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
He's blunt.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
There's no cookie cutting when it comes to Big
Kid's style and his flow and Iappreciate that.
Kicking the song off the gamejust forced me.
Got what you need awake, theone that he had a featuring hit
boy.
I love them joints, man, andagain I just I hope the big
homie gets back home straight up.
That energy in hip hop is needed, especially with the west coast

(35:46):
, you know, being on top of thegame right now.
Um, I just wish big kit was,you know, here to be a part of
that man, he probably wouldn'ttake, you know, take part of the
other pieces of that, but justhaving him as as a staple, um,
in today's climate would havebeen a really good thing, man, I
mean, he was on the pop-outstage, so I mean.
He was, he was, but you knowhe's the OG man, he's the OG and

(36:09):
I don't think that you want to.
You know, get big hit on arecord dissonant by him either
man, he'll take it over thefence, man Right.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
No, I think he was just embracing the moment, Like
you know, cause I mean think ofall the time he did lock down
and then he's out and seeing theWest coast thriving, Like he,
you know, he probably ain'twitnessed that at all at any
point.
You know what I mean If he waslocked down, you know during the
, you know Snoop and Dre rundays and all that stuff.
So but, um, but yeah, the jointwith a feature, hip Boy.
That's probably my favoritejoint on here.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
But but yeah, overall I wasn't feeling it.
But you know, I'm saying I'mstill glad they put this out.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
No, no doubt, no doubt.
So God bless them.
I don't know if we need to dothis one.
Look, I'm good, if you good, Idon't want to do it.
Man, shut up to try.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
I mean this this is this is gonna be what?
The third time that we've hadto do this like we had
blockbuster, we've had um, youknow, I'm saying what was the
first joint called the Awakening, the Awakening, the Dragon, the
Awakening, or whatever.
And then now we got the Equinoxjoint, man, and I don't, I

(37:35):
don't know man, like drag dragonseason, I feel like it's dragon
season Cause we dragging Buster, like all these album, man,
like and and I really don't, Ireally don't want to do it, man,
but it's like.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
I know.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
I know at some point, at some point you just got to
stop and you got to lookyourself in the mirror and say,
like what am I doing?
And just just leave it alone.
Like it has, it has seven songs.
So I'm going to just keep myreview short.
It has seven songs and muchlike the Rock Him album.
I counted out of the sevensongs, it had 12 features.

(38:16):
That's already the recipe for adisaster, right there.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Disaster.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Busta.
Nah, man, and I love Busta, butno, that's all I can say is
just no.
And it's dragging the season,because we've had to do this
three times.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
You've had to drag me into the conversation again.
Man, Shout out to Trife man,because Trife might be the
biggest Busta hater that.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
I've seen in my life.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
You know what's funny ?
Because I tried to defend Bustaagainst you and Coop on one of
the shows.
Because you guys and I don'tknow why I felt like I tried to
defend Busta against you andCoop on one of the shows because
you guys, and I don't know why.
I felt like I had to.
I felt like I had to, but nowit's like I don't have any more
ammo.
I have nothing to defend.
This album wasn't good man.
This album wasn't good at alland I'm just keeping it at that.

(39:13):
I think we can move on.
I hope Busta can move onrespectfully.
He it at that.
I think we can move on.
I hope Busta can move onrespectfully.
He had a phenomenal run.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Let's not get it twisted.
Busta had a phenomenal run.
If I'm being honest and this iswith no disrespect but this is
a two-part project.
He had Dragon Season Awakeningand Dragon Season Equinox, so I
think the first joint had maybesix songs.
This joint has seven songs.
Why not drop it as one projectand only do this to us once, ego

(39:42):
, so we don't have to livethrough this two separate times?

Speaker 2 (39:46):
It's ego, it's ego man, it's just like a bad double
album.
I guess you got to have ego andconfidence to be a rapper, to be
an MC, to be an artist, but atsome point you got to be able
rapper, to be an MC, to be anartist, but at some point you've
got to be able to say you knowwhat?
I lost a step or two.
I lost a step or two, and it'sokay, because the ego will get
you out there and look crazy.

(40:07):
And this is what's happeningright now.
He's walking around.
Let me get out of here.
Let's move on, man, let's moveon, because I'm to say something
real crazy.
I said I was going to be lovedall year, man, so I'm going to
come into 2025 and show love, nomatter who throws it back.
Who doesn't throw love back at?

Speaker 1 (40:24):
me.
We still love Busta.
Busta's a whole legend out here, so don't get it twisted.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
That's why I want to be very mindful, because he is
definitely a legend.
I don't want to disrespect thelegend at all, but I also want
to be fair.
I want to be fair, firm andconsistent.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
This is an intervention it is this is
Dragon Season, the intervention.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
We're telling you this might be time you need to
drag yourself to the sideline,respectfully, respectfully,
moving on man.
Shout out to Bustin the Flipmosquad.
No doubt, respectfully,respectfully, moving on, man.
Shout out to Bustin the Flipmosquad.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
No doubt.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
All right, jomo.
Jomo, you having a Harlem, yeah, cj.
I hope you wasn't going tocatch that CJ.
Yo, y'all got to relax, man.
I started a pandemic with thepause thing.
Shout out to Joe Pause,pandemic is crazy.

(41:24):
Pause pandemic is crazy, jomo.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I like this album?
Wow, I do.
And here's the reason why.
Jim has a lot of solid projectsand most of it doesn't come off
of him.
You know most most of theprojects of his that's enjoyable
is not predicated on him.
The rapper he has a great ear,you know, for production and how

(41:55):
to put projects together and Irespect that.
It's an enjoyable listen.
But am I listening to him forhis rapping ability?
No, not at all.
But what I will say, he'simproved, you know,
exponentially since we firststarted hearing him rap in the
early 2000s.
I will give him that.
But still, yeah, jim is notsomebody like I'm hanging on the

(42:20):
edge of my seat.
You know listening to theirbars, you know that's not
happening.
But he does have a dope ear forproduction and how to put
together you know well-roundedum projects.
That's audibly If you just putthem on as background noise or
ride music.
They have some bangers and it'sdope.
So I do respect that aspect ofit and it's better than that

(42:45):
Busta Rhymes.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
I mean bro I can go.
I can go drop seven tracksright now, right now.
Rapping about the spring comingin real soon.
It would be better than theequinox.
Let me chill, man.
Let me chill, nah, man.
Let's talk about it then,because I had Lana For those of

(43:12):
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So this is the part of the showthat we want everybody to chime
in on this topic because we wantto have a healthy debate around
the MC versus the rapper.
As we talk about Jim's commentson the Breakfast Club.

(43:37):
I want to preface all of thatbecause Jim has some
conversation on the BreakfastClub.
Shout out to those guys overthere Forget you Envy Queens,
get the money.
You don't represent Queens theright way.
But we want your input on thistopic because we want to know
how you feel about the MC versusthe rapper.
And where do we hold a rapper,like you know, jim, in the

(44:01):
category of hip hop itself andAG, I think.
For me, my question to you iswe already know, we can identify
, we identify Jimmy as as a rap.
We know that already.
Right, he's not MC of MC.
Like you said, you didn't getthis album or you didn't listen
to this album.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
No, I didn't cop it.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Of course we don't go to Jimmy for Lyrical Miracle.
We don't go to Jimmy forQuotables, right, we don't go in
for that.
Goody Goon Goons, we don't gofor that, right.
But I think that right.
No, you're going for that.
You know, goody goon goons, wedon't go for that, right.
But?
But I think that, to your point, he has a good ear for

(44:44):
production and his catalog isreally good when it comes to
production.
But I can't quote anything fromthat catalog personally.
Personally, you know.
I mean vanguardian, hit it onthe head.
I see vanguardian tv says awhip friendly album.

(45:06):
Yes, majority of majority ofhis albums are whip friendly.
Yeah, straight up, you'reputting the whip, you ride out.
You're listening to the beatmore than you're listening to
what Jimmy's saying.
I'm being honest.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
And it's what I like to call slick talk.
It's a lot of slick talk rap.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
A lot of slick talk, a lot of hustle talk, a lot of
Harlem talk.
Honestly, a lot of uptime talk.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
And it's swag rap.
Somebody who would love a Jeezywould love this album, because
we're not going to Jeezy for hislyrical.
You know, like you know, we'renot going to Jeezy for that.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, yeah.
So where do you think he?
How do you hold him Like?
What do you categorize him?
I?
Don't pause, he's talking aboutNew York.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Don't ever ask me that again, I'll hold you.
I don't hold you, but for real,that's fair.
I think it is something to whathe said on the breakfast clubs
or you know, we're kind of tyingin the interview to this topic
where he was talking about, likeyou know, all the young cats
really listened to him the most.

(46:21):
Well, I mean, like his music istailor made for them.
Like this era is really notabout listening to lyrics.
It's not about, um, you knowmature growth.
Or concepts or whatever.
You just want something nice toride to.
They just want something.

(46:42):
You know, like I said, someslick talk and you know these
type of hustler raps.
I mean that's like what's mostprevalent in this era, so to
speak.
So I think he is on tosomething when he says that more
of the young crowd are tuned inwith what he's doing Now.
Granted, he's pushing 50.
He's 48 doing this stuff.

(47:02):
So I mean we're looking our agedemographic is looking to him
for more mature content and saywhere's the more mature content
at Jimmy?
You know what I'm saying, butwe're not going to get that.
He's appeasing to people,that's.
You know.
Probably, you know, 20 yearsyounger than him.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Mm-hmm, Mm-hmm.
You know what the crazy thingis?
Man Jim exceeded noexpectations that was given to
him.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Right, yeah, he didn't come into the game with
any expectations.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
We didn't have any expectations for Jim, so he
exceeded an invisibleexpectation and the fact that
we're even having a goal to havea conversation about where Jim
ranks amongst and again, this isno disrespect to Jim at all the

(47:58):
fact that we are having thisconversation and the breakfast
club had the audacity to mentionNas Styles P in the same breath
as Jim.
We got to stop that man Like.
When I heard that I had to,went back and look at it again
just to make sure I wasn'tmishearing anything.
Like yo Envy.
Are you serious Like you shouldhave put a plug right there and
said no, we're not going to dothat.

(48:19):
We're not going to say that,we're not going to do all of
that.
Well, he posed the question,though who's that?

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Envy.
No, jim, he was like nameanybody who's as hot as me.
So I'm not even putting that onthe host, but what the host
threw out, and I don't know ifyou noticed it, but he proceeded
to move the goalposts multipletimes because they started
naming rappers and he was likeno, no, no, I mean new york, I

(48:47):
mean new york, so just new yorkrappers.
And then later on they startednaming new york rappers, like
you know, the jay-z's and thenozzle.
He's like well, of course notjay.
Like whatever, like well, ifyou're the hottest, you're the
hottest.
Like you know what I'm saying.
Like, let's be for real.
You, you putting all thesecaveats on there.
First you say in new york, andthen we name it other new york
mcs, and then you say well, Imean more.

(49:10):
So you know my air, or this orthat, or these people are
excluded.
Like you, it should beexcluding nobody.
Like Jay said.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Yeah, but who is?
Who is his weight class?
Who is Jim's weight class?
Here's the funny part.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
No, this is what pissed me off To your point Envy
.
And what's the name?
Jess Hilarious and CharlamagneEntertainment.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
The other shorty was on this one.
Jess wasn't on this one, it wassomebody else.
I forgot her name.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Oh, okay, yeah, I don't know this young lady's
name, but I had something to sayabout what she said anyway.
But anyway, it pissed me offthat they were actually
entertaining it, saying certainpeople that were still above his
weight class at the end of theday.
And bro tried to.
You know, jim tried to say it'slike, well, he said styles p's

(50:07):
catalog wasn't deep enough.
What?
Like you know what I'm saying.
Like bro, styles p will fadeyou in the verses, like all all
day long.
Jim's catalog is not like thatto pull from.
Now, granted, he has theability to pull from diplomat
stuff, but Styles has theability to pull from locks
records.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
And so what happened last time?

Speaker 1 (50:32):
And even if he's restricting it to New York, I
can name 10 people off the domeNew York-related.
That would fade Jimmy in theverses, so I don't know what his
points were.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Again, that's when you got her name's Larmond
LaRosa.
Thank y'all for that.
She was the one who made thatcomment, because she was the one
who said Nas wasn't outside, orsomething like that, or he
wasn't, you know, know, activeor what have you?

Speaker 1 (50:58):
which she didn't do her homework, evidently, because
if you, at the beginning of theinterview she said that she had
never heard the Jim Jones album, she said she said that and she
said she had to really like,dive in and listen to.
You know Jim Jones to reallyunderstand.
You know I'm saying what he wasdoing.
So and then when she said Nasis not, you know, putting out a

(51:20):
project like that, well, he didhave the album, the album Broke,
did six albums in three years,yeah, and then had the nerve to
question was it really reaching?
You know the youth like thatand you know we talked about
this behind the scenes.
If you're linking up with aproducer like Hit and you know
we talked about this behind thescenes If you're linking up with
a producer like hip boy, you'reby design trying to tap into an

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audience that's younger thanyour core audience.
That was already there and hetapped in with hip boy for six
straight projects.
And if you're not trying toreach out and get the younger
guys and it be successful, youdon't get a joint like spicy
successful.
You don't get a joint likespicy.
You don't get a joint likemotion.
You don't get a joint like onemic, one gun, those or wave guys

(52:04):
, those records.
Well, wave guys maybe not,because that's more in the primo
bag, but those records don'tget made and shout out to our
discord.
Our discord is one of the likeyou know I'm saying, where we
have the dopest hip-hopconversations.
Somebody pointed out in there.
Nas has, you know, almost 10million listeners on Spotify,
like 9 point something.
Yeah, jim Jones has like almost900,000, which is a tenth of

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what Nas has.
So if we're doing the numbersgame, you don't think a tenth of
Nas' listeners more than JimJones has for his whole entire
fan base are people of the youngdemographic, Because mostly
people are aging up, ain'tstreaming like that.
No, they got Nas' physicals andthey rocking with that.
They still playing CDs and theywhips.

(52:53):
So it's like you mean to tellme, breakfast Club, that you
don't think at least 900,000people that's streaming Nas'
music is not the younger crowd.
Get out of here with that man,exactly.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Because you know us old heads, we don't know how to
stream like that.
Still trying to figure it out.
I mean I do, but yeah, you gotan 18-year-old son walking you
through Like hey you ain't lyingLike.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Shout out to Jack.
I saw George's school.
Jack goes up earlier today atthe Discord like yo, jack, you
could do this.
You know what I'm saying, butthat's what he's going to school
for.
He's going to school forcomputer science and tech stuff,
but that's what he's going toschool for.
He's going to school forcomputer science and tech stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
So you know, shout out to my son.
There you have it, you knowwhat I mean.
So again, who is Jim's weightclass?
Because here's how I look at itand I don't want to be
disrespectful when I say this.
So don't take it, jim.
Whoever Any Jim fans Harlem donwill take this the wrong way,

(54:06):
jim, imagine if Split Star had acomparable catalog.
You said no disrespect, that'snot disrespectful.
Split Star he's, you know.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
I think Bleak would fade Jim in a versus Absolutely,
absolutely If we Jim in aversus Absolutely.
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
If we talk of rate classes, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Would you take drag on in a versus against Jim?
I think that's where you wouldhave to draw the line.
I think Jim got that.
I don't know, man yeah yeah,yeah, I think Sheik Looch, once
you get past balling and allthat, I think Sheik would fade
Jim in a versus Sheik Looch,once you get past Ballin' and
all that, I think Sheik wouldfade Jim in the verses.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Sheik would fade Jim in the verses absolutely.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Especially if you could pull Lockstuff and he
pulled Dipsetstuff, sheik canfade that's what I'm saying the
names that they was calling out.
I'm like why?

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Sheik fade them easily.
Busta we just got throughtalking about Busta.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
With this bad album, Busta could fade them.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yeah, that ain't even the same category.
No, no, busta got too much.
I'm not going to do that toBusta.
Okay, again, I'm not trying tobe funny or nothing like that,
but I'm trying to make a pointhere.
Gym is what happens whensomeone had an opportunity.
They took advantage of theopportunity.

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They never really got better,they got incrementally stronger
just because of their voice andthe sound.
Imagine, horse, if horse wouldhave followed up with something
similar to that after Uchiwalethat's kind of why when I look
at jim now, I'm not saying jimand horse in the same category.

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They're not saying that.
I'm not gonna be thatdisrespectful.
What I'm saying is jimoverachieved because no one had
any expectations for jim to doanything at all.
Because I remember we werelistening to Jimmy in the very
beginning.
I know a lot of people listenedto him and were laughing Like
what is this?
Like?
Straight up.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
John Roland Wiz and all them was like way better
than Jimmy back in the early2000s Way better.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
And even if I look at it in retrospection, because
you think about a Dipset album,right, the double CD that was
the coming out party pause forum, you know I mean.
Then you go to dip set immunitypart two.
Jim is barely on that album fora reason, because now they
started talking.

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You know you had jr rata onthere.
You know I mean you had hell onthere.
So you had all of those otherentities from Dipset.
That was still by far betterthan him outpacing him lyrically
.
What Jim stumbled on wassomething that I don't think
that we took into account, andthat's Max B.

(56:52):
He stumbled on Max B.
Shout out to Max B man, freeMax B, if everything checks out
right.
I don't want to say freesomebody who's a criminal If it
checks out right.
You got to do a disclaimer outthere.
You can't be going around andsaying free this person, free
that person.
They probably should be inthere, right?
You got to be careful aboutthat.

(57:12):
So let's keep it centered andabove board.
That's the most hip-hop thingto do is to say it when you know
they do.
Dude he, just what do you mean?
What do you mean?
Free him?
No, you see what he just did.
Oh my God, he didn't read theRod report.
You see what happened?

(57:32):
Oh, man, but, but no, max B.
Max B's pen and Max B'sinfluence was the thing that
gave Jimmy that booster shot,right.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Stylistically yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Stylistically and my homeboy, who's actually from
Harlem, Shout out to Carl.
He was on that wave since itsinception and he used to let me
listen to old Max B joints andI'm like I never knew nothing
about Max B at this time, but hewas like he was that wave stuff

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man, and he was like yo, thisis the one, this is who's next.
And then unfortunatecircumstances happened.
Jimmy, you know, got in frontof it and here we go.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Yep, I mean he stole his whole swag.
If we're being honest, Stolehis whole swag.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
We got a super chat.
My bad, I see you guys in thesuper chat.
Double.
You know, you bad, you look thedouble, you look the double.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
You know you bad when 10 albums in we talk about
improving that is crazy, that iscrazy shout out to Dub man yo
CJ, peace bro.
Can Jim beat Yayo in a versusyo?
That's crazy, cj.
I was just thinking that in myhead and my answer is no cause.
We just talked about G-Unit.

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Jimmy does not have a singlealbum better than Thoughts Over
Predicate, felt Period.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
He does not.
He does not.
And if I'm being honest, man yo, there we go.
Now Please get the money.
You're going to be hyped, man,yeah, yo, yeah, yo got some
joints out there.
Man, he does.
I know you don't love me.
That beat is insane.
Yeah, you'll kick it off.

(59:27):
And 50s hooks, man, 50s hooks.
He went crazy on that joint.
Yeah, you went crazy on.
You know you don't love me, hewent crazy on that.
I see, christopher, you wentcrazy on.
You Know you Don't Love Me.
He went crazy on that.
I see Christopher Hogan said wehate knowing Jim, he don't know
what to do with holding Harlemdown.

(59:48):
No, no disrespect to Harlem atall, chris.
No, straight up.
I mean, we call it what it is.
We just want to put things inperspective because, at the end
of the day, I don't think he'sreally holding harlem down,
because he's saying is heholding it down or is he
dividing it?
facts, facts.
Just because he's saying harlemall over the album, that
doesn't mean he's holding itdown.
Is he trying to sell himself onthe idea that he's that he's

(01:00:10):
harlem?
You know I mean like.
Again, no disrespect to jim atall.
I got almost every album thatJim put out in his first run.
In his first run I do.
I own all of them joints.
His best one is Capo.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
I think.
I think Capo is a really greatalbum and I don't use the term
great loosely, I wouldn't saygreat.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
I wouldn't put great beside Jim's catalog by the
album.
I would say good, overachieved.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Yeah, well, yeah, and that's the thing, because we
rate people on different scales,right?
So when I'm first listening tothe album, I'm not expecting to
be blown away by it, right?
So I'm super pleasantlysurprised, but that album stayed
in my rotation for a very longtime.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
These chats are crazy .
Poets say Bow Wow was betterthan Jimmy, I'm going too hard,
but then again I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
To be fair, bow Wow's Ohio, that's not New York.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Bow Wow might go crazy on the Versus, though man
yeah for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
They mentioned Fab.
Listen, jim is not beating Fabin the versus, and I was
offended at the Styles P thingbecause he know better than to
say Jadakiss' name.
He know better than to sayJadakiss' name, so he said you
know they mentioned Styles P.
Once you get past balling,Styles P is getting them out of

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here, and I'm not even sureabout balling.
Between good Times and balling,what are you taking?

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I can appreciate the fan base taking balling because
of what it is, but me personally, good Times for me, me too,
good Times Because Styles P'sfirst album to me is a 4.5.
Easily, easily, straight upEasily and in real time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
I didn't like balling in real time I was.
It got played out for me.
I loved it initially but didn'thurt it so much.
It got played out, you know soyeah, it did um cj.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
The kid can jim beat jay hood in the verses yes, yes,
cj, but thank you for that Idon't know if you give me um
look on an unbiased format on aon a court.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Yo jay hood man all he got to pull from is the
mixtapes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Bro, don't do that look, man, nigga, I'm a hood
stash.
Coke under the hood.
Pop your girl in the face.
Sucker under the hood.
Yo jay, hood is crazy man.
Coke under the hood.
Pop your girl in the face likeI'm under the hood.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Yo, j-hood is crazy man.
Yeah, j-hood For a moment.
J-hood had the streets on lock,but still yet nah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
I don't think Jim can beat Shaheen, the rugged child.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Now see, people are going to call us Wu Bias again.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
I just did that to see what you're going to say.
I kind of mean it, though.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
I just did that to see what you're going to say I
kind of need it though.
But for real though, I don'tlike the fact that he tried to
stand on his catalog like he gotone of the best catalogs out of
New York, Like I don't.
His catalog ain't deep likethat.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
It's not, it's deep for his like us, for us like
quantity, yeah, not quality, thequality is not there.
Overall, you got some qualitymoments, I think each album.
If I'm thinking right, I don'thave it in front of me, but if

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I'm looking at his discographyand I'm thinking about all of
his albums, I can pull about two, maybe three true bangers off
of those albums.
Each album as far as a completeproject where I can say you
know what, as a complete project, this is top of the line.
I would struggle with that.
I would struggle believing inthat, if I'm being completely

(01:03:56):
honest.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Yeah, but he said New York.
I'm going gonna just run downsome names off the top of my
head, because he said in his erayou know I'm saying from new
york, from new york, so we'llstay in new yidi, all right.
So let's just take jay-z andnaz off the table, right, let's
take.
You know I'm saying them offthe table because that's obvious
, all right.
So he's talking about um.
So what are we putting as astart year?

(01:04:18):
Where are we going with it?
Like, where are we going to say?
We're going to say 99, 2000.
Where are we going to go?

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
I say start with 2002 .

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
2002.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
No, let's go 2003, because that's when the Dipset
diplomatic community came out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Okay, All right, so all right.
Well, that would take Styles Poff the table, because Styles P
around since 97.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
You can probably put Styles P still there, because
his solo discography started in2001.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Okay, all right, let's put him in there.
All right, that's fair.
So Styles P?
No, not even close, jadakiss.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Not All right, that's fair.
So styles P no, not even close.
Jada kiss Not even close.
That's laughable.
She no, it's close, but no, Igive it the sheet.
Fab no, not even close.
Black rock Black rock might nothave enough, but his highs are

(01:05:22):
so high I would still give it ablack rob.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Me too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
His highs are high man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Nature.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Nature doesn't have enough.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Right, I think Jim could win that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
It's touchy, but nature just doesn't have enough,
let's see, help me out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
I'm trying to think I'm limiting myself to that,
eric, because I could take itback a year or two and grab one,
but that predates Jim a littlebit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
I wouldn't put him in the same category at all, not
even close.
He can beat Juelz in his owncamp.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
The obvious Juelz and Cam Cam predates him.
He can't beat Juelz, let's gowith, I said, dragón already.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
CJ asked about Saigon .
Saigon don't have enough.
I don't think he has enough.
Don't have enough.
Cj asked about Saigon.
Saigon don't have enough.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Don't have enough, jim would beat Saigon.
I said Dragón and he don't haveenough, jim would beat Dragón.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Action Bronson.
Somebody say Action Bronson 50.
Not even close.
That's laughable.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
But they called out 50, and then he said, oh, I
don't do nothing with 50.
Not even close.
But they called out 50 and thenhe said I don't do nothing with
50.
So let's take 50 off the table.
We already acknowledged thatYeo would probably beat them
Banks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
I don't think Yeo would have enough, though that's
the only thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Even if you don't say Yeo Banks is getting Jim out of
here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Banks getting Jim out of here easy, yeah, banks,
getting him up out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
That's what I'm saying, man.
So we pretty much at about 10rappers is getting them up out
of here.
You know, I'm saying just forms air, and that's when new york
was starting to get weak, if webeing real yeah, that's when it
was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
It was kind of transitioning and again, that's
a great.
That's a great point becausejim thrived when New York
hip-hop was losing its gripbecause of the way the sound was
changing and it wasn't aslyrically dense.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
It wasn't as lyrically dense, because
somebody like.
Jim doesn't even get throughthe door.
It was more bounce.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Alright, I'll ask you this, nori, because Nori is 98
on his, on his solo, not evenclose, not even close see,
that's what I'm saying jim sorry, buddy yeah, I mean, here's the

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thing man like jim thri andDipset as a whole, they thrived
when hip hop was really shifting, because the representation
that New York hip hop had whenthe South started taking over
was that Dipset movement, to becompletely honest, because at

(01:08:18):
that time what was competingwith what was going on in the
South?
Because the South musiclandscape was changing.
So dip set sound production,wise it.
You know heat makers and youknow all those guys, man, they
were living off that.
They were living off of thatman, and jim was a big part of
that yeah, you must be part ofthat because that was an

(01:08:40):
extension of like that wholerockefeller era.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
you know really ran rap just personically.
What everybody wanted to do,like that soul sample sound, was
just imitated so heavily duringthat time and they were lucky
to have heat makers craft a lotof this stuff because, you know,
jay was locking in with Kanyeand Just and then Bing and he

(01:09:06):
was going to get their A-folderstuff.
He was going to get their bestmaterial more often than not,
but the dips could still rely onthe heat makers to give the I
don't want to say a genericversion of that, because heat
makers got bangers but stillkeep that same sound in tow.
Even though it's not comingfrom Kanye, just Blaze and Bing,

(01:09:28):
they're still keeping that samesound.
They lucked out with that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
CJ, the Kid asking he beat Joe Budden, nah, he not
beat.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Joe man.
Hey, cj, shout out to youbecause that's a good pull.
I don't know what Joe was doingout there on the basketball
court the other day.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Looked crazy out there, looking nasty.
That's nasty, joe, straight up.
Somebody need to say it Nasty.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
I ain't going to talk because I ain't shot a ball in
like two years.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Shot a play last night.
Matter of fact Full court.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
You got crossed over Kneecap touched the court.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Not at all.
Not at all.
Tj said Jim or Sky Zoo Sky.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Zoo Sky Zoo's songs ain't big enough.
He's way more talented, but hissongs ain't big enough.
Yeah, taleb, no.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
You don't think Taleb got enough?

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
No'm saying kenny, no , jim can't beat to live.
No well, no, no, no question,cj, cj helping out.
Cj got our tally to like about15 because cj knows all of these
cj.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
He knows he's hard to see depth like yeah, I I mean
See if I play it for real.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
While we at it, while we inBrooklyn, most depth, no, that's
a no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Poets ask for Pharaoh much than Jimmy.
I will Queens get the money.
I will personally take Pharaohmuch.
I would take Pharaoh much.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Yeah and is tricky.
I think Jim would be him in aversus, but we're not even going
to entertain who's better.
They will wipe the floor withJim.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
He said can Jim beat Papoose?
Papoose doesn't have enough.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
He doesn't have enough, he doesn't have anything
that'll resonate with thepopulace Right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
You gotta think about it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
I mean Pap's biggest claim to fame is the alphabet
slaughter, yeah.
So I mean that's not enough.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
That's not enough.
But, aj, the thing is man like,if again we're trying to figure
out between the MC and therapper portion of all of this
and we already identified thatJim he will fall on that rapper
side of things.
He's a rapper, but as an MC.
Everybody who's mentioningmajority of them are MCs.

(01:11:51):
Yes, majority of them, like 80%, 90% of them are MCs.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Right, so if Jim is.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
So if Jim is, if we're sayingwe're to classify him as as a
rapper, cause, there's adifference between being a
master of ceremony, mc, and arapper Like where do, how do you
even measure him?
You can't measure him.
Pause, it's really hard becauseand I think that's why the
conversation even went that farwhen it came, you know, to the

(01:12:22):
breakfast club interview.
Conversation even went that farwhen it came, you know, to the
breakfast club interview.
Because you don't.
Who do you?
We're splicing right now,figuring out who you put in
front of well, what?

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
what is your definition of the difference?
Because I think a lot of peopleare unclear on the difference
between an emcee and a rapper.
So you personally, what's thedifference?

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
give me one second.
Uh, cj said not from New York,but Jim or Cassidy.
Cassidy, shout out to Phillip,we'll take.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Cassidy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Because Cassidy got some big records.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
So that's not getting twisted.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
He got some big, big records For me.
The MC checks everything, theboxes.
Master of ceremony that's whatit stands for, right.
The emcee is your storyteller.
The emcee has the cadence.

(01:13:13):
The emcee has mastered theability to flow in a pocket,
Round for round, line for line.
The rapper there's a lot ofrappers out there.
There's a lot of rappers thatare MCs out there, because we
always talk about rappity rap.
Rappity rap Joe Budden alwaystalk about.

(01:13:34):
This album is just a rappityrap album because if you're
getting into that arena, you canrap.
You can rap, Shout out to ourhomie Chief.
He played one of his jointsthat he was flowing over in the
Discord and Chief got some flow.
Chief got some flow actually.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
I got to check it out .
I didn't hear that.
Shout out to Chief man, that'sour fellow sneakerhead.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Chief got some.
Chief is dope man, but if I hadto categorize what I heard from
him, I would put him as arapper Because he's rapping,
wrapping his ass off.
But when you think about that'snot a slight to him, because
I'm telling you that's what Iheard from Chief it was dope.

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We think about I Am God.
I Am God is an MC Based on therange, the range he has, so much
range.
We had AJ Snow.
How do you categorize him?
You think about the range thathe brings.

(01:14:42):
I heard that.
Oh, go ahead bro.
No, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
I was trying to think .
I heard one of the old headssay it.
I can't remember if it was KRS,maybe Chuck D, maybe even
dating back to Kool Moe D, but Iknow for a fact.
I've heard one of them talkingabout the difference and they
said that an MC can be a rapperif he chooses to, but a rapper

(01:15:14):
can never be an MC.
Yes, and I think that's whatresonated with me the most,
because you can masquerade as arapper if you're an MC, if
you're that gifted, but a rappercan never emulate an MC.
And the prime example of that tome is Jay.

(01:15:36):
You know what I mean, becauseJay is a supreme lyricist, mc to
the core.
I don't care what nobody says,he's the MC to the core.
But when he said, you know, Idumbed, dumbed it down to double
my dollars you know what I'msaying he dumbed his material

(01:15:58):
down for a lot of tracks to comeoff as a rapper, which he pulls
off very well.
He can live in either, you know, in either place.
You could be a hybrid, if youwill, as an MC, but a rapper
can't do that.
A rapper can't get next to anMC and look like a fellow MC.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
It's funny you say that, man.
I've got another super chatChief.
What's up, homie?
He said much appreciated.
That was a shock.
Nah, man, we appreciate yousharing that in the Discord.
I got to check that out, man.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
For real.
I think he's shocked that yougave him a compliment, because
he knows how you are for real.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
No, I've changed.
Changed.
I was so mature but I've grownso much.
No man, I wouldn't do that.
Um, I remember this.
So when I had my little rappercareer trying to start, I was 15
just this guy, this A&R guy,told me he was like a rapper.

(01:17:04):
He said a rapper speaks for themoney and an MC speaks for the
culture.
He said, because a rapper isgoing to give you lyrics, lyrics
on top of lyrics, but what'sthe meaning to it?
Whereas an MC has a meaning andan end to it.
Like there's.
There's a body of it, like it'slike you're writing something.

(01:17:27):
You have a beginning, you havethe body of the message and you
have the closing of the message.
He said most likely that's anMC because they're giving you
the full body example of what awriter should be.
That's a writer.
You think about Nas, who wealways say all the time Nas is

(01:17:47):
your favorite rapper's favoriterapper.
He's your MC's favorite MC,because he checks boxes on both
sides of the grid.
He checks the boxes on therapper grid.
Nas checks the boxes on the MCgrid.
So does Jay-Z.
Jay does the same exact thing.
He can check the boxes on therapper grid.
So does Jay-Z.
Jay does the same exact thing.
He can check the boxes on therapper grid.
Because you put him in a ringwith a rapper, you're going to

(01:18:09):
smoke your boots, right, you puthim in a ring with an MC, he's
going to smoke your boots,unless you're Nas.
So, nah, that's facts, that'sfacts.
So you've got it's parallel,until you get to certain pieces
where the box or the MC start togo a little bit further down,

(01:18:30):
where that rapper box may stayright up in here, if that makes
sense you may have 20 checkboxesover here versus 15 checkboxes
on the rapper side of it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Now, I'm with that, jim very much is just a rapper,
which, if you're a rapper, is noproblem with that.
But, like you said, he'stalking about going head to head
with people who are MCs.
Yes, you know, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Then I want to hold on because we got some more
super chats.
Jim is CJ the Kid asking Jim orRansom.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Ransom is a superior MC but, like Sean said about
stuff resonating, I think Jimwill win just off of you know,
crowd resonating with the crowd,of crowd resonating with the
crowd.
And Ransom love Ransom dope MCbut it's very monotone.
And listening to 20 Ransomjoints in a battle-style format,

(01:19:34):
back-to-back-to-back, I don'tthink that'll fare well for him.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Jim's energy will be there, yeah.
And that changes things alittle bit.
Cj also asked canim beat remy?

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
I like how cj went there because I was thinking
that but didn't get to say it.
Uh, remy, I don't know, but Iwas thinking more so like a eve
or rod digger around that time,because we don't have to be
sexist and like limited to theguys, like it's dope, you know,
female mcs, I'm taking it back.
Rod dig is uh not new york myfault, but, um, I was thinking

(01:20:08):
about and eve's not either,she's, she's philly, but so I'll
say what now?

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
oh, it's all fair game yeah, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
But I was just thinking in my head that, um,
you know, I'm saying that wecould pull out some female mcs
too.
That will probably beat Jim inthe versus.
That's a good pull, but I don'tknow if Remy could beat Jim if
I'm being honest, it's a longnight for Jim.
The reason why I stand on thatis because Remy's best stuff is

(01:20:39):
not her own.
It's not her own, she'sfeatured on it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
She's a feature.
Yeah, I got Chief and CJ wasasking why Travis Scott smacked
Cody Rose.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Yeah, man, he said he got an injury from that.
It was like his ear wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Yeah, I think his ear because CJ crazy Travis got
carried away.
Man, yeah, you carry.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
We got too excited um trap is good as me, as long as
he keep putting out dope j'syeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Yeah, don't stop um.
But nah, man, I mean, I think Ithink we start to figure out
now, like again shout out to thebreakfast club, I guess.
But it's just one of thosethings where at some point, if
you want a platform that largeand you have an obligation to

(01:21:34):
the fans and not, you know, notplay with the fans, um, in their
face.
And I think this interview,where every time they could have
pushed back and challenged it alittle bit differently they
respect you and I get it.
You got to respect that personon your platform, but you can
respect them by not even askingthose silly-ass questions.

(01:21:54):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
I think they'd rather play the fans' face than the
artist that's on their platformlooking at them with a dead ass,
serious face.
Like name, another rapperthat's, you know better than me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Yeah, but they did the Birdman.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Don't act like you're stumped.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Right.
You can't pick and choose whoyou want to do that to.
They did the Birdman.
They're playing Birdman face.
You see how that turned outright.
They had Charlamagne duckingand diving between cars trying
to get a part of that.
Again, I'm not saying you gotto be disrespectful, and this is
no disrespect to our gym.
We're just trying to figure outin real time.

(01:22:35):
How do you measure him upagainst?
Who do you put him up against?
What category would you put himin?
We know he's a rapper, so itwon't be fair to put him up
against true MCs.
But when you put him up againstanybody, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
But if I put him up against another rapper, I think
a realistic matchup like catalogquantity you know if they came
out of the same camp it would beBleak.
You know they came out of thesame camp would be bleak and I
think it wouldn't be close.
It won't be and you know me, Irock with bleak and that might
be a little biased.
But I don't even think it wouldbe close and I don't even think

(01:23:13):
you would have to pull songsthat bleak was featured on, that
were jays or whatever.
I think bleak could take jointsfrom his own catalog and still
watch Jim.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
No, I agree.
Yeah, Bleak would be a longnight for Jim, straight up and
down.
If we're being completelyhonest, I'm joking around with
you about Bleak, but yeah, Bleakcould get Jim up out of here
with no problemo, Straight upand down.
I mean, we'll see.

(01:23:47):
I know he's going to be on JoeBudden podcast, I think next.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
I hope Joe challenge him.
He's not Well.
Joe's Jersey, Joe's Jersey, tobe fair.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
He'll probably like he's not, he's not.
Joe probably want to treadlightly anyhow, because if he
said the wrong thing, 50 couldbe right back on him and
Campbell right back on him.
So this whole interview couldgo left field real fast after
it's done.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
That's a fact.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Yeah, that can happen real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
But forget versus bro challenged Cam to a boxing
match that was nasty, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
I'll box your head off.
That is crazy.
That was nasty man.
That is crazy.
But shout out to Jim man, shoutout to Jim.
Like I said, I enjoyed Jim'soverall catalog.
We just wanted to have aconversation about, you know,
the comments that were made.
You know I know we wanted towait until we get a chance to

(01:24:50):
kind of talk through it and putthings in perspective.
I think the album, at the Endof the Day, I think the album is
a solid album.
I don't rank it high.
I think it may be a 3.5.
Maybe a 3.5.
Maybe a 3.5.
I don't have it nowhere closeto top five album of the year so
far, top 10.
We'll see how that plays out,but it's a very solid effort.

(01:25:13):
I don't think Jim has a truetrash album.
I think he just has a bunch ofsolid albums In my opinion.
I don't know how you feel aboutthat, but I don't think that he
has and that's solely on theproduction side of things.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Production evolves.
Man Production evolves straightup and down.
So let's get to the last partof the show.
Let's talk about the press playand before we get into your
press play list, tell us why youselected what you selected.
Hold on, we got another CJ theKid super chat.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
I want to mention Pastor, but he washes drip.
I was going to mention Pastor,but he washes gym.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
I don't know man, no, we're not going to do that.
I'm kind of deciding on that.
No, we're not going to do that.
I'm kind of undecided on that.
Yeah, we're not going to dothat.
We can't do that.
Jim got some bangers.
He got some bangers out there,yeah, so yeah, let's get to your
press play AG.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Oh, yeah, we want to give rest and peace to Angie
Stone and also also, morerecently, uh, roy airs like that
one hit me, man.
Um, everybody loves thesunshine.
It's one of my favorite songsof all time in any genre.
I love that song, um, butanyway, man, I my press play was

(01:26:41):
inspired by that, by loss,because every week we're coming
in here reporting that somebodyhas passed away, either, you
know, really tragically, or youknow, by some other causes,
losing some of our best artiststhat we have in our genre and

(01:27:03):
hip hop and soul and R&B andfunk, and, you know,
representing Black artists, andit's really, you know, a tough
pill to swallow, like every week, to turn around and be one of
our giants that ends up havingto go.
So that's what inspired mypress playlist.
Was, um was, uh, basicallytribute songs to some of those

(01:27:26):
giants that we lost.
So, um, I'll jump it off.
Um, first track I got is, uh, wewill survive, by Nas off of the
I am album.
Um, a lot of people, uh, youknow it's kind of shocked me uh,
don't like this track as muchas I do.
I thought that it was a trackloved by all nas fans, but a lot

(01:27:48):
of people don't really rockwith it like that, and I've
always loved this joint.
It's actually the joint that,ironically enough, jumped off
the uh, the battle between uhjay and nas.
You know what I mean Talkingabout Jay claiming to be New
York's king.
But the reason why I love thetrack so much is it's a sequel,

(01:28:11):
if you will, to One Love.
It mirrors the tone of thetrack One Love and also the fact
that in One Love he's penningletters to his homies locked up
in jail and in this song he'spinning letters to both Big and
Pac paying his respects, and theKenny Loggins sample is just

(01:28:34):
crazy.
I just love this track, butjust hearing Nas pay his
respects to both Big and Pacthrough the same format that he
did, you know One Love, I justthought it was very creative and
I always loved that song.
So that's my first joint.
And speaking of, like, pinningletters, my second joint is
Letter to Big by Jadakiss offthe Last Kiss album, which we

(01:28:54):
talked about earlier.
It's just Jadakiss getting bigup to speed with where
everything is at in the currentrap climate at that point in
time and as well as what wasgoing on with his career.
You know what I mean andtalking about his children and
how they grew up and sort ofthings.
So I like Jadakiss' approach onthe track and I thought it was

(01:29:17):
a nice touch to have you knowBiggie's ex-wife, you know Faith
, seeing the hook on there.
So I thought that was a dopejoint Keeping it in the Lox
family.
We always love Big Papa off theMoney, power, respect album.
I don't know about you, sean,but at the time when Big's death

(01:29:39):
was still pretty fresh, I wasplaying this record more than
Puff's Missing you.
Although it was a big hit andI'm not trying to trash that
record or whatever Although itwas a big hit.
Sting sampled all that stuff.
Once I found out that somebodyelse pinned that, I kind of
looked at that recorddifferently.

(01:30:00):
Sauce Money pinned that recordand I just kind of looked at
that kind of weird.
Because like, if my homie gogoes that I'm right from the
heart.
I'm not going to get somebodythat goes right my feelings for
me to convey, but that's neitherhere nor there.
But I was playing this record,you know more, so the more in

(01:30:21):
the lost of a notorious big.
This is a you know I'm saying athe Lost of Notorious BIG.
This is a you know what I'msaying really dope record by the
lots Paying homage to Big.
Next, I've been playing thissong a lot lately Got Life's
Changes by the Wu-Tang Clan offof Eight Diagrams.
I've been playing this albumheavy over the past few weeks.

(01:30:41):
Me and Sean talked about itbehind the scenes.
I think it's underrated alittle bit for a Woo album.
People don't mention this albumwhen we're talking about the
Woo, but I just think this is abeautiful song paying homage to
Dirty and with all the memberson there.
I think it was a little bit ofcontroversy around Ghost verse

(01:31:02):
not being on the record, but youknow at any rate, I mean they
all pay homage to Dirty and Ithink it's a beautiful song,
beautiful sample and it's one ofmy favorites from this album.
And there's a continuation ofthat later years down the road
on Cuban links to called AsanJones, where where Ray Kwan pays

(01:31:27):
his personal respects to dirtyand I think he does a great job
describing dirty who he was as acharacter and as a person.
Like you know just everythingabout him.
The descriptive verse on thereit was just, it was really dope,
you know what I'm saying Realheartfelt, and I love that track
, you know what I mean.
And I actually got a bonusjoint it's my last one and that

(01:31:51):
would be QB Politics off thesorry Queensbridge Politics, off
the Lost Tapes 2 by Nas.
With that one it's different,it's kind of an outlier from all
the rest because Nas is payingtribute to Prodigy and on the
record, but the tone of it is alittle different because, not,

(01:32:15):
it seems like Nas is strugglingwith the fact that P is gone and
there was still unresolvedissues and tensions in the air
among, you know, prodigy andother Queensbridge brethren at
the time of his passing and whyhis mural was getting defaced
and those things.
And although Nas himself foundpeace and closure with I mean

(01:32:40):
sorry, although Nas found, youknow, peace with Prodigy before
he passed, it was still someclosure that he needed and a lot
of things that weren't, wereleft unsaid, that weren't
resolved in full because of, youknow, the book that Prodigy put
out and things of that nature.
So it's, it seems, like anemotional tug of war on that

(01:33:01):
record.
It's a tribute song but at thesame time it's like an emotional
tug of war on that record.
It's a.
It's a tribute song, but at thesame time it's like grappling
with some closure that youdidn't get Um when one of your
people's no longer here and theygo on too soon.
So that was the last one I had.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Okay, yeah, A little somber, but I yeah a little
heavy a little heavy.
A little heavy, I get it, I getit.
Um, my inspiration for thisweek's press play was more so
around Havoc H-A-V-O-C.
Um, I wanted to.
I wanted to share at least fivesongs from Havoc that he didn't

(01:33:38):
produce with themob deep.
Um, I was listening to a lot ofHavoc stuff as of late and, you
know, preparing for his newalbum that's coming out real
soon Method man and I wanted todig into the crates a little bit
and just play some joints thisweek for myself that he actually
produced outside of Mob, and myfirst one that I had was the

(01:33:59):
Last Date with Big.
And again, you know, this isone of those beats that Havoc.
You never thought that Havocwould even do a production for
Biggie, especially with thingsgoing on back then, but he lays
big with one of the dopest beatson that actual album.
So I wanted to represent thatone.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
Can I ask you something real quick?
Yeah, was that the first timeyou heard the locks?

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
No, no, I heard the locks right before that, because
I heard them on a mixtape.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
Was it ULC?
Because that's the first time Iheard them ULC on a clue tape.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
I heard them on a Ron G tape.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
On a Ron G tape.
Yeah them on a um, on a uh rong tape on a ron g tape.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Yeah, I think it was man that was like in 90, maybe
96, maybe late 96, when I heard96 yeah, that's when I heard
yeah, I heard on the clue tapelate 96.
It was, you'll see, with bigyeah yeah, I heard him on a ron
g tape mixtape which is thefreestyle okay, um.

(01:35:05):
My second one was the promise.
Always loved this beat that hegave foxy.
Always loved this beat.
Um, love that song, actuallyone of the top songs on that
album.
I love that joint butdefinitely wanted to represent,
uh, the promise.
Then I want to go to Lil' KimHold it Now, because he actually
produced Hold it Now on Lil'Kim's album.

(01:35:26):
Love that joint.
I thought this was one of thosejoints that if you didn't know
Habit produced it you wouldn'thave known, because it's not a
Habit sound.
He was showing some range onthis one as well.
This one, habit startedtinkering with other beats and
different formulas.
I loved the way he flipped thisone right here from Lil' Kim.
So Hold it Now is one of thoseand one of my favorite ones

(01:35:53):
Fully Loaded Clip.
I love Fully Loaded Clip by 50.
This is one of my favorites.
I think it's the best song onthe album.
It's up there, the Fully LoadedFlip joint.
And have it Kill that BeatStill listen to that joint to
this day.
Man, jay and Beyoncé werekissing I was putting grams in

(01:36:15):
my kitchen.
That was 50-50, man.
But I love that joint.
And my last one man is actuallyChic, chic at that joint 45
Minutes to Broadway.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
And again slept on album.
Slept on album man After taxes.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
Slept on album man.
Yo Chic would get Jim up out ofhere.
He really would, man.
Thankfully Chic doesn't.
People don't respect Sheik'sname enough Enough.
He showed you what he can do inthat versus battle where he had
his solo joint, where he had achance to get in front of the

(01:36:56):
crowd and rock the crowd.
Sheik got a catalog for yourass as well.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
The ultimate glue guy , man Sheik, plays the back a
lot.
When they first came out he wasmy favorite one in the lots,
for real.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.
So shout out to Sheik as well,man.
But yeah man, yeah, appreciateit, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
I just want to say something to that 50 Cent joint.
Like around that era when thatwas out, like I was thinking in
my head because you know, mob,you know later on signed the 50
Cent and all that, and I wasthinking in my head because 50
was on the decline, you know,after he lost the sales battle,
the Kanye and all that stuff.
But man, like around the timethat Mobb Deep signed with him

(01:37:40):
for Blood Money, like around thetime that Mobb Deep signed with
him for Blood Money, I wasreally wanting a fully produced
album by 50.
I mean a full 50 cent albumproduced by Havoc.
Around that era.
I think that would have wentcrazy.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
It would have been crazy.
It would have been crazy, man,Because again you're talking
about 50 and a half.
Anytime they linked up it wassomething special, Because
that's what you want to hear 50over, you know, 50 got to that
point where making all the money, you know you got the hits.
And now it's not so much he'schasing the hit, he's just in

(01:38:16):
the pocket where the hitsresided.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
Yeah, and not for nothing.
Like Banks, I think Banks, youknow what I'm saying would sound
great a fully produced Havocjoint.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
Absolutely, absolutely Hard, hitting Hard
hitting.
Well, that's the show man.
Yo appreciate y'all again.
Thank you for the subs.
We're 2K plus and movingforward.
Yo shout out to the chat.
We have one of the dopest chatsin the game right now.
You all keep it going.

(01:38:46):
You're engaging the entire time.
We appreciate that.
Shout out to the team CooperVille will be back.
Shout out to Andrew, behind thescenes, holding things down.
Shout out to LB.
Shout out to Elp.
Shout out to Double Trife ChiefJack CLF.
If I didn't say your name, Iapologize.

(01:39:08):
Shout out to all of you CJ, theKid Poets.
Shout out to all of you weappreciate y'all.
Yeah, we'll be back.
Peace, peace and love y'allThank you.

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