Kendrick Lamar - GNX - Reactions & Review - Brunch on Sundays (Evening Edition) - HipHop Talks Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Outro Music Yo Fresh on Sunday night Special chicken

(00:45):
and waffles for dinner, hellyeah.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, this is one of those breakfast for dinner type
joints.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Don't act like you never had your little bacon and
scrambled eggs with cheese atmidnight.
It's the best one.
Set it off with a littletoasted bread, slap it all.
Make a sandwich out of it.
Slap it all together.
What up, everybody?
This is Hip Hop Talks.
You're obviously seeing us onSunday night, so that means
something special is going on.
Something special has occurred.

(01:16):
Sean AG, kendrick Lamar, youknow, snuck through the back
door again.
Pause that was wild.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
You want to know what can we hit the reset button and
start over.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
I'd just like to apologize.
I don't want to activate Seanon any sort of level.
On any sort of level.
I don't want to activate Sean,but, no, no, let's pay some.
It's the day he has made.
Let's pay some dues, right,quick, make sure you click like,
share and subscribe to the page.

(01:45):
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(02:05):
This is the moment we've allbeen waiting for.
I know people want to hear mytakes on a couple things, but
I'd actually like to start offwith a couple personal things,
if I may.
Yeah, get off probationtomorrow.
Now I was arrested forsomething that I definitely
didn't do and I still claim thatto this day.

(02:29):
You can Google what happened.
I don't mind people knowing,but if people really want to
know, my departure from theformer podcast actually had to
do with them knowing about mypersonal situation and then
choosing to do shows without meknowing what I was personally
going through.
When I came to you, gentlemen,and shared the same things with

(02:50):
you, first thing you all said tome is, like well, let's just
work around all that shit, let'sgo get it, and that's what a
team should do.
So I actually really want tothank you guys for holding me
down this year, because all Iwas really looking for was a
real team to hold me down, andyou guys are it.
You guys have done it and nowliterally the shackles will be
off of me tomorrow morning,effective pretty much 8 am, when

(03:14):
the courthouse opens, and Ijust wanted to like share that
with everybody and thank youguys for like really holding me
down, really being a positiveinfluence, making me laugh and
enjoy hip hop again, and it'sreally been a blessing that this
has all come together.
Inviting Andrew to the partythat is the number one thing

(03:36):
that I'm thankful for, because Ihad been telling other people
for years like that's my guy andwe need to use him because he's
talented and he's gifted, and Ithink you all are seeing that.
Shout out to Andrew, shout outto Taj.
She's the one that actuallycalled all this from the jump.
She's like something ain'tright.
You need to find out what it is.

(03:57):
And happy to be here, becausenow we're at this moment and
it's Sunday night, and I'mpretty certain that most of the
people in this space are tunedin to hear what the three of us
have to say.
So, with that being said, Iwant to thank you guys, say
salute, sean.
Kick it over to you.

(04:17):
Can't hear Sean, sean unmute.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Unmute my Gmute, my G .

Speaker 1 (04:25):
My bad my bad.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
Yo, that was such a cool, but we don't care.
We want to talk about thisKendrick stuff.
I'm kidding.
No, that's the shit.
I expect you to say.
It's OK, that's the shit Iexpect you to say.
I got to stay on brand.
I got to stay on brand.
No, yo, for real.
Thank you all for popping in.
We see some new faces in thechat tonight, or some new voices
in the chat tonight, so weappreciate that.

(04:48):
Like, subscribe, share, blah,blah, blah blah.
Let's get into the talk.
Ag, what's?

Speaker 3 (04:55):
good, what's up?
Man Got a surprise drop onFriday morning.
We was not expecting this.
A lot of people were saying, tocap off the year for what was
already a stellar year andalready a MVP, pretty much sewn
up in the books, needed an albumto go with it.
And Kendrick delivered that insurprise fashion.

(05:16):
You know he didn't need anyrollout or any promo.
That was already there, beingthe events that happened prior
to this.
So we got a surprise drop.
I was at work, you know, doingmy one two at work, and Sean hit
me on the text like yo,gentlemen, like it's something,
something that's dropped, thatwe're going to have to talk
about, and it was Kendrick'salbum.

(05:38):
And, uh, you know, ended upright about an hour after that,
going on my lunch break.
The album was about 44 or 45minutes, which was perfect,
short and sweet.
I was able to digest the fullalbum, one run through on my
lunch break, from start tofinish, and then later on that
evening I probably listened toit maybe about three or four

(05:58):
more times throughout, you know,running around that evening.
So, yeah, it was, it wasexciting.
Twitter was on fire and ourgroup chat was on fire it was.
It was a lot going on and, um,you know, a lot of times we want
to rush to the scene, to hurryup and be first at something you
know and have a knee jerkreaction to something you know
what I mean Just to kind of getour thoughts and opinions out

(06:20):
there.
But, um, our schedules didn'talign where we could do that.
And here we are now on Sunday,a couple of days later, but
that's fortunate because youknow, we get time to really soak
it in and then, you know, givean in-depth analysis, you know,

(06:41):
with doing the, taking time todo our due diligence, to listen
to it, and we can have a betterinformed opinion on the things
that took place over the pastcouple days.
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Speaker 1 (06:56):
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Come to Hip Hop Talks.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Get my Su sugar.
Knight on Exciting man.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
Exciting moment Three super chats, real quick, ag.
I want you to tell us what youfeel about the album, for sure.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I got your super chats $199.
Queens get the money.
Kenny gets a B Solid showingafter a battle.
Mad Max when Coop and I agreeit must be divine intervention.
That's facts.
Or it could be Lucifer, younever know.
He's an op.
He'd be listening, takingpictures.

(07:34):
Devil is an op.
Devil's the biggest op.
Got legions of ops 88.
Spencer with the $10 hollowHitting the movie with the wife.
Have a dope show.
I mean you know it's on YouTubeso you can always spend the
block.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Have fun with your business.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Tracy G what up $5.
Cat.
This album was hot garbage andit's confirmed.
My ears are no longer made forKenny, but that Freddie Gibbs
fire.
I agree with that.
Freddie Gibbs fire Real quick.
Not to cut it short, doesFreddie Gibbs still have an
album of the year after theKendrick release, gentlemen?

Speaker 3 (08:13):
That's a perfect transition to what I was going
to say, tracy, because I lovethis album personally, but it
still isn't my album of the year.
I still got Freddie in thatnumber one spot.
I really like this, I mean, butI really like this album.
But I will say out the gatethat I'm not jumping out the
window and saying this is albumof the year pray tell, do tell,

(08:34):
go ahead, keep going.
You're on fire, keep going, lovethis enjoying every second of
it so for this album, though,the thing that I noticed off rip
, you know what I mean, and I'mnot going to go track for track,
but the feel of the intro.
The feel of the intro, that'simportant to set the tone of a

(08:58):
record.
So once I put the intro on inthe whip and he addressed
everything that he addressedfrom, you know, the wayne super
bowl thing, shouted out nas forcongratulating him to snoop and
taylor, made stuff great cole.
He addressed it all out thegate and did it in appropriate
fashion.
Where I don't think nothing wasreally a diss is just letting
them know where, letting us knowwhere he is mentally with the

(09:20):
whole scene at this time, and Ithink it was.
It was a dope track for introand um going throughout the
album.
One thing I noticed is he keptit real west coast and real
bobby, and I appreciated that.
Now a lot of people might saythat these sounds like yo shout
out to my homie trife.

(09:40):
He's saying like he has a bunchof remixes of Not Like Us on
the album, but the thing aboutthat is, though, you know, two
of the joints he got withMustard, the hey Now and then
the TV Off.
We don't know if these were, ifthese records were conceived

(10:03):
before Not Like Us, becausesometimes when you're in the
rhythm as an artist you might bein a certain bag and maybe that
not like us song was birthedfrom those sessions and he was
already in that bag we don'tknow, but just from the fans
getting that later after thefact it looks like he's trying
to recreate not like us.
But even if that's the case, Ican't be mad at that because

(10:26):
ride the wave, ride it till thewheels fall off.
And if you want to keep thewave going, do it with a song,
with some songs on their ownmerit, and not have to link it
back, you know, to the song thatit came from, which is a diss
song.
Keep that same vibe andeverything going.
Keep that hyphy movement going.
So conceptual records.

(10:47):
Once I know he had he had somehooks in here.
You know we talked about thison the corday album, um, with
the nostalgia bait, but I meanit was hook, line and secret for
me, like man at the garden, theinterpolation on one mic.
I'm a fan, you know.
I'm saying right out the gatelove that record hold on ag.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Let me get to a couple of super chats.
I don't want them to slide toookay go ahead.
You're coming in.
Yo, thanks, no, no, no problem.
Ill magic with the five dollarg and x is not album of the year
.
Rhapsody still has that.
It's a fun ride west coastalbum, but it's not a classic.
Mad max 199 who is he to beaddressing Snoop in life, though

(11:25):
?
What's up, mad Max?
You want to know what?
Mad Max, I'm going to tolerateyou today.
You know we're going to see ifwe can't work it out.
It's getting close to 2025, max.
The coaching session of ourrelationship is over.
It's time for you to startshowing improvement.
Mad Max, with the 199 SuperChat once again.

(11:47):
And Swifty Producers Executiveproduced the LP.
We are going to talk about that.
We're going to talk about that.
Mad Max 199 again, I see it'sabout to be a Mad Max kind of
show.
Go read the first verse onPeekaboo Horrible Bars.
Yeah, we're going to talk aboutPeekaboo too.
Peekaboo.
How about Hideaway?
Like hide this, track away.

(12:08):
But anyway, ag back to you, goahead.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, so we're talking about the ones I love.
I'll get to the ones that Iwould skip here in a second.
But also Reincarnated, probablythe best on the album.
It's ironic because, coop, ifyou remember, if you remember,
if you remember a couple weeksago, it might be the best song
on the album.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Reincarnated.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Might be.
I'm undecided Still early.
It's in my top five, though, soit's either Reincarnated man at
the Garden or Heart Part Six,One of those three.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
That is absurd that you said that.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
That is absurd that you said that we'll get your
opinion in a minute, we don'tneed it right now.
So, like I was saying, like Iwas saying Reincarnated, if you
remember, on this show a coupleweeks ago we had a Pac
Machiavelli era conversation andit's an obscure Pac reference
but I talked about how that wasone of my favorite Pac records
and I think he was coming abetter MC On that.
So when I heard this record itwas Hook Line and Seeker again.

(13:05):
But the concept it's hard toget past the surface listening
when it's a Pac record and he'slike rhyming like Pac, but the
concept is pretty brilliant, ishe?

Speaker 1 (13:12):
rhyming like Pac oh my.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
God.
This is his best Pac renditionwhatever.
But the concept is prettybrilliant.
You know what I'm saying,talking about the fall of
Lucifer from Isaiah and all that.
Do the knowledge, you know whatI'm saying and look that up.
But moving on, I'm glad y'allbrought up Peekaboo.
That's one of the songs I didn'tlike at first and I considered
a skip.
It's kind of growing on me now.

(13:35):
Dodger Blue sounds likesomething that could have been
on.
Damn really like that record.
Luther is a hit.
I love Luther.
Gnx the title track is the worst.
That's going to forever remaina skip.
Forever remain a skip.
Gnx I don't think it's good atall.
Glory is a dope concept in thevein of I used to love her and
all that.

(13:56):
His relationship with his penyou know what I'm saying and his
craft Dope record.
But yeah, the rest of it.
You know what I will say.
No, it's not album of the year.
No, it's not a five-mic classic.
It's a solid effort.
I give it personally a four-micrating.
It's my third favorite albumfrom him because I've never been

(14:16):
a To Pimp a Butterfly fan, so Idon't.
I can put this over To Pimp aButterfly easyfly.
I know I'm going to get a lotof hate for that, but I've never
been a fan of that album it'snot that you're going to get a
hate, it's just that you'retotally wrong like I said, we'll
get to you in a minute.
So what I do, what I do enjoy,what I do enjoy about this album

(14:38):
is it's not like a singulartheme throughout the whole album
.
Kendrick's known to be veryconceptual and go in these like
these deep dives for the commonthread or theme of the album.
This is just an album you canput on and vibe to.
When it got a bunch of joints,you know what I'm saying.
Most of the time we're askingfor cohesiveness from a lot of
artists but you know Kendrickgives us that and the concepts

(15:00):
for the most part.
So I appreciate it's a song.
You can that and the conceptsfor the most part.
So I appreciate it's a song.
You don't have to think toomuch when you put it on.
It's just an easy listeningjoint, you can ride out to it
and it got the West Coast vibes.
But it's a nice capper at theend of the year.
It's not album of the year byany means.
And here's what's funny.
I was talking to my son and Ithink that lyrically, what Cole

(15:21):
did on Mike Delete Later is moreimpressive what Kendrick did on
this album from a lyricalstandpoint.
But I just feel like the songson this sound bigger and better
overall, more aestheticallypleasing, if that makes sense,
like TV Off.
I definitely think he's goingto play TV Off at the Super Bowl
.
But you know what I'm sayingand it was good to hear it

(15:41):
squabble up.
But that's my thoughts for themost part.
Let's get to the Super Chatright quick.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Sean and then but you know what I'm saying and it was
good to hear it squabble up,but that's my thoughts for the
most part.
Let's get to the super chatright quick, sean, and then you
can.
You know, I think it's betterthan to pimp a butterfly.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
I like it better.
I didn't say it was better.
I said I like it better.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Okay, cj the Kid, cj the Kid $10.
Mahalo, what up, man Just gothere.
Hope you guys are doing well.
Have you guys addressed the LilWayne debacle yet?
Do you think Wayne's ego willpermit a round two?
Feel like MK, with Dot havingto face Final Boss now.
Mk meaning Mortal Kombat,mortal Kombat, mortal Kombat.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
We'll talk about that too.
All right, mad Max, with the $Kombat, we'll see, we'll talk
about that too.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
All right, mad Max with the 999 super chat AG
rhyming like Pac Reincarnated.
Show how much better Pac fromDot and man at the Garden.
Shows why Nas was way betterthan him.
His voice weak, his bars weak.
He has no business beingmentioned.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
I love that.
Mad Max, here, we gonna get somany super chats tonight
actually actually Mad Max, ohgod, he's halfway right.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Ag, he's halfway right.
It's not that he doesn't belong.
I'm still not totally sold ifhe belongs in their stratosphere
, but he would be the closestthing to it do you not like the
concept?
Of the record.
I love the concept and I thinkthe third verse is phenomenal.
Do you not like the concept ofthe record?
I love the concept and I thinkthe third verse is phenomenal.
The third verse is the verse ofthe year contender.
Okay, but overall he fails somiserably vocally trying to

(17:18):
imitate Pac on any level.
It's a no for him vocally totry to do that, because in Pac
you have a top five voice likeperiod and with this guy he
might have the worst voice ofall the all-time great rappers.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
It's a no, yeah, kendrick, that's his Achilles
heel.
Out of all the MC attributes,his voice is his worst attribute
.
Mc attributes his voice as hisworst attribute.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Sean, I want you to go ahead and go, because I'm
going to do a disclaimer onbehalf of Hip Hop Talks when I
go, we have one more super chat.
One more super chat.
Michael Williams, $5.
Dot.
Paying homage to Nas Big andPac on the album is dope.
Even the cover art seemed likea nod to J on Volume 2 in front
of the Bentley.
That crossed my mind.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
Tracy G got one too cool.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Oh shit, tracy, back at it.
$5.
Hell, nah, in my mild voice,cole smashed this nigga.
Kenny fell off like theSimpsons.
Real talk, not like theSimpsons.
Don't be able to talk aboutthat.
Those are our people.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Tracy always go to defend Cole.
We can count on that.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
Where is Tracy from Tracy from the non?

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Hey, tracy, I've been listening to the warm-up too.
They put the warm-up onstreaming, so don't shoot at me.
I've been listening to thewarm-up all weekend too.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
He need to cool down.
That's what he need to do.
Drop his damn 888.
All right, sean on you, man,tell me what your thoughts are.
Ag gave his AG.
You say it's a four.

Speaker 5 (18:48):
Yeah, I'll give it a four Hold on.
We got one more super chat.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Coop.
One more super chat.
Cj the Kid back at it with $10.
Can't wait to hear thebreakdown from Coop and hear the
historical references.
I remember, coop.
You brought up how Malcolm Xwas Malcolm Mulder before that,
in order to explain why 444wasn't a classic.
Yeah, I did do that, Damn.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
that was good.
It was just Chicago.
Oh, that was good.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
That's some good stuff, detroit Red up in here.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
All right.
So I want to start with Love.
Solid album.
Solid album AG.
I disagree.
I don't think that he wastrying to reenact Pac's voice or
Pac's tone in Reincarnreincarnated.
I think we got tocompartmentalize the beat versus
what kendrick was actuallydoing with that song.
Uh, reincarnated the firstverse, I think it was more so a

(19:34):
old day.
Um, to jimmy hendrix, the wayhe kind of broke things down,
you know timeline wise and justyou know the guitar.
Um, he talked about chicago1947, all of those things.
I listened to that song a fewtimes and I'm getting a little
bit of Jimi Hendrix out of that.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
The time line's going to add up.
A lot of people were talkingabout Jimi, but the time don't
add up.
A lot of people were thinkingthat that's for Jackie Wilson.
I was looking at that too.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
I thought Jackie Wilson had fun, but it's still
not adding up with everythingelse he was saying, so he leaves
it for interpretation.
Yeah Right, even the second one, I think the second verse
people were saying BillieHoliday.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Billie.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
Holiday Right, based on the way he conceptualized
that second verse Reincarnatedthe energy of my reincarnated.
You cannot go wrong with thatbeat.
You cannot go wrong withanything and that's one of the
dope ones that Pac had.
And, aj, you talked about it acouple of weeks ago on one of
our shows and you were talkingabout that actual song and that
beat.
So you really can't go wrongwith that.

(20:31):
Whacked Out Murals.
I think that was a good tonesetter.
He addressed certain thingsthat fans wanted him to address.
He mentioned Wayne.
I don't think it was a diss.
We'll talk about that later.
I don't think it was truly adiss.
It was just hey, look why younot championing me in this
moment.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
It was like the Nas Pete rock line, not really a
diss, but just letting them knowthat I see you.

Speaker 5 (20:58):
I didn't see it as a diss.
We can debate that, but Ididn't see that as a diss.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
It was not as disrespectful as an open hand
slap, but I heard what the fivefingers say to the face when he
said that I think Wayne jumpingout there makes it much more
than what it really was, becausehe only gave like not even a
bar.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
He was just like Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
What did he say right after the Wayne bar, though?

Speaker 4 (21:23):
Whatever though?

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Yeah, whatever on.
What did he say right after theWayne bar though?
Whatever, though yeah, whatever, though yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, because he's saying I mean, we're going to
let you get back to your point,Sean, but he's basically saying
somebody who I wanted to attainwhat they had and I worked hard
at that.
Now they hate on me because myhard work has paid off.
Whatever, you know what I'msaying.
I used to look at Wayne likethat.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Let's address the fact that he is talking on this
album like people have beenhating on him, when he's been
the darling golden child thisentire generation.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
He had you in mind, Coop.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
This shit is extremely out of touch and off
base.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
He home.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
We'll talk about it.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
He had you in mind.
You were in the liner notes.
Like yo, shout out to Kool.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Oh, definitely, that's in my notes.
It's like, okay, so thisnigga's heard about me.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
You've been pressing all this shit that I heard
Somebody told him somethingSomebody told him something.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
I like Squabble Up yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
I like Squabble Up, going back and sampling Debbie
Dell.
You know Brooklyn Night.
Shout out to Debbie Dell, beingable to sample that joint, and
to me that was, for me that wasthe best part of that song.
I'm going to be honest with you.
I love that song, abreakdancing song.
Shout out to my uncle, danny.

(22:43):
Love Squabble Up man in theGarden you know, reminiscent of
we know one mic Right.
Love that song, love the toneof that song, love what he did
with that song, reincarnated ofcourse we talked about that.
Luther is a hit.
Heart.
Part Six solid Gloria.
I looked at Gloria as verysimilar to I Gave you Power by

(23:04):
Nas, another conceptual songtalking about his pen.
The ones I didn't really carefor Head Now GNX and Peekaboo
and TV Off.
I know TV Off is the one thatpeople talk about the most
because he's screaming mustard,sounding crazy Mustard.
You know I get it.
I get that but that song to medoesn't do much for me Without
you take that muster part off ofit.
I feel like TV Off is anotherone.

(23:27):
That to me is a skip for me.
But yo, I think the album issolid.
I will give it a solid four.
I think that the replay valuefor me has been solid over the
weekend so far.
I listened to it again todaywith my 12-year-old.
I asked her what she thinksabout the songs.
She thought it was okay.
We kind of had a similar viewon some of those songs and I

(23:50):
just feel like this.
I think this album may have alittle bit of legs until the
next one come out at the end ofthe year, hint hint.
But I think that he did what hewas supposed to do.
Honestly, I think that he dideverything that people like
yourself wanted him to do.
You say you wanted an album,you wanted him to rap, you
wanted him to be digestible.
You wanted all of these things.

(24:11):
This album is one of the bestalbums.
That that was crazy.
I thought I was going to keepon talking, so you won't say
anything.
You tried to smoothly gothrough that, but you know.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
This is one of the most.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
I tried to let you finish until AG cuts you off.
I just had to say Thank you.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
Thank you, ag Coopman , right now.
My bad, I came out the wrongway.
I came out the wrong way.
This is an easy listening album.
This is an album that's easy onthe ear.
Kendrick has a tendency to bevery complex as a writer, as a
performer, but this is very easylistening and because it's easy

(24:49):
listening, it allows thelistener to go back, to be able
to go back and listen to it overand over, and that's where I'm
at with mine, so cool.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
What you got.
I'm going to hit the superchats, then I'm going to hit the
heavy bag because mama saidknock you out.
Michael Williams, do you havethis Kendrick album over?
You only die once.
I believe.
None of us do.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Alright.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Glad we got that out there.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Can I ask Sean a quick question?
You kind of glossed over theHeart Part 6.
Do y'all like the detailing ofwhat happened with tde and all
that and just the fact that heput a heart part six on the
album when people thought thathe wasn't going to revisit that
because you had the drake, thistrack of the same name, so he
did the right thing.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
You got to put that on there okay, you see the
disregard, what drake did?
I'm going to keep with my theme.
I'm not going to skip over andsay hard, part seven, that
doesn't count.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
And what about the story of it?
How did you feel about thestory on that?
I?

Speaker 5 (25:47):
love the story.
It shows vulnerability.
It shows really what happenedbehind the scenes, where he was,
what he was feeling, how hereally felt about it.
I love vulnerable songs likethat.
You can't go wrong with that.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
That's something that we need more, because you heard
stories, you heard therumblings about it, but he
addressed most of that.
Whether it's fabrication orwhatever he addressed it
Fascinating stuff, gentlemen.
Tracy G with the $5 super chat,Cole is the GOAT, but real talk
.
If Ja Rule can't do pot, Kennycan't either.
One hundred, Tracy G, I'm withyou, my G.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
That's a hell of a super chat.
What did Ja Bruce say Y'allwant?

Speaker 1 (26:28):
to see.
Pock, don't do that.
We're not done with the superchat of Kenny Big Me.
Why is he looking for Congrats,mad Max 999, sean Lyon, he a
NYC ninja.
He not bumping this.
After next week He'll beplaying Lost Tapes to cleanse
his ears.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
I played it this morning.
Mad Max is crazy.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
I love this.
Anytime we get a Kendrick topic, Mad Max is going to come
through with about 200 in SuperChat.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
I'm all for it.
Him and Sean are toe-to-toe forhater of the year.
When we have the haters ball atthe end of the year, we should
go on the haters ball podcastand do the hater ball awards.
But I mean shit.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Sean's a bunch of a hater.
Remember when we loved theGibbs and he was hating on the
Gibbs and then you said you justsaid we all agreed that this
was better than the Gibbs, andthen Sean started squirming in
his seat.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
That's that internal hate that the camera can't take
away.
That's that nonverbalcommunication.
That's that nonverbal hate.

Speaker 5 (27:33):
These niggas at the awards.
That's a grimy man.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
We're the grimy ones.
That's wild.
Cj the Kid with the $10 SuperChat.
I set the trap just to see dudereact.
You guys think Dodd said thatbar so that in case Wayne does
fire at him, dodd will diss himat the Super Bowl or on some
Summer Jam screen on steroids,not at Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Nah, I don't think that'll happen.
That's not the place for that.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
Not the place for that at all.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm getting New Orleans.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
You know, these white people are not about to let
that happen.
They're going to be like you'redoing.
What Excuse me?

Speaker 3 (28:08):
I like the shirt Coop with the tapes on.
I just now peeped that.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, this was a birthday gift from
last year.
Shout out to Ari.
Let me see Michael Williams, $5.
T2 in the chat Wild and he saidthis album puts Kendrick over
Stevie Prince and Pac.
Well, t2's a cocaine.
It's judgment day.

(28:33):
He decided to go skiing and Idon't mean in Colorado.

Speaker 5 (28:38):
That's a troll comment he's seeing spaceships
on Bankhead.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
T2's seeing spaceships on Bankhead.
Shout out to Fabo.
One of the many niggas,Kendrick is biting on this album
.
Anyway, 007 with the $9.99super chat Coop.
If the tip of the hat to Rakimdoesn't make you happy, there is
no hope.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
Let's start it off.
Real weird.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Don't, don't, please don't, we don't have time.
There are too many people inthe chat tonight for you.
Yeah, you're right, you'reright.
Kenny may even drop again nextyear and off the Misstepper
album.
He is on an upward trajectory.
He has the crown, undeniable.
I would submit to you that twoof the best words in the English
language are called reasonabledoubt.
I'm not talking about Jay'sdebut album, fr33, with the $5.

(29:24):
When Reincarnated started hesounded like a little kid doing
a Tupac impression in the mirror.
That's disrespectful andaccurate.
Ill Magic $4.99.
I will say Q's album is better.
No way Ill Magic.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
I love.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Q.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Q is one of my favorites, but hell no,
respectfully.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
No no no, glad we had this talk, sean.
So you said you're giving it afour, I'm giving it a four.
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Are we going to be Jay-Z?
Four, four, four.
Nah, we ain't going to be that.
You know, kufa ain't giving ita four.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
I'll go back and change my rating.
Before we do that, we for.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
I'll go back and change my rating before we do
that.
We know you're hating as well.
Matter of fact, if you do that,this might put you over Mad Max
to win hater of the year.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
This could be the hater moment Sean be hating on
Jay for no reason just becausethey got the same name.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
You know how college players got to have a Heisman
moment.
Sean's waiting for his hatermoment.
Here's the moment that my hateshows, on all the levels of hate
that I provide.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, sean told me one time he was about to change
his name to S-E-A-N because hiswas spelled just like Jay's, and
he said he was going legally tochange it to S-E-A-N.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
It's on the copyright now man man.
So I want to say that a lot ofpeople think that I'm about to
hate on this album.
So I want to say that a lot ofpeople think that I'm about to
hate on this album.
I'm not about to do that.
I'm about to do what I alwaysdo.
Now, first of all, I want tosay I think people have me
confused, guys.

(30:57):
Now I don't like Lupe or Tlaibat all in real time, real life.
We know that Can't stand niggaslike that, oh holier than thou
above the cloud ass.
Niggas like that, oh holierthan thou above the cloud-ass
niggas.
Can't stand these uppity-assniggas from uppity-ass niggas.
That's how I know these niggasis uppity, because I'm uppity,
super uppity.
But when it's time for theiralbum to drop, I'm always fair,

(31:18):
and so I really don't appreciatepeople pulling up like I'm not
fair.
Lupe has dropped two projectsSince People pulling up like I'm
not fair.
Lupe has dropped two projects.
Since he and I got into it,they've both gotten fours from
me.
I gave Talib and Mos early albumof the year before I realized

(31:38):
that I needed to teach them whatbusiness and economics in the
fucking modern day times looklike.
They're on some fuckingstreaming service that's not
even meant to mix down music.
That's another conversation foranother day.
What I'm saying is I handedthem out fours and fives and I
can't stand them.
I don't have a problem withKendrick, I have a problem with
you niggas.
And I don't mean you two niggas, I have a problem with you two
niggas too, but I'm talkingabout the rest of you, because

(32:00):
all you do is cape and cap forhim instead of being fair, and
all I've been is fair.
You want to know how I know thatI've been fair.
First of all, I don't hearanybody, as much as they like
this album, really calling italbum of the year, like that.
That's because it's not so.
Let's go ahead and get thatshit out the way off the table.
It's not album of the year.

(32:21):
Now here's what that means.
This will be the secondconsecutive time that he hasn't
dropped album after the year,album of the year.
After doing it threeconsecutive times, is it fair to
say Good, kid Mad City Pimple.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Butterfly and Damn are all album of the year for
the years that they werereleased.
Yeah, but um, damn probablycould be arguable.
It's I like damn better, butsome people would say 444 is
better.
That came out the same year.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Those people are doing cocaine with t2 in the
bathroom and bucket.
Well, yeah, but I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
I like damn better.
And for me, as much as I lovegood kid, mad city life, life is
good as a close second, but Iwouldn't put it over good kid
though so by most accounts,though ag, he has three album of
the years, in most people'sopinion.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Now, if you win album of the year three times in a
row and then the next two timesdrop, you do not win album of
the year.
You know what that is called inreal life, in real terms, right
, right, it's called a drop-off.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
I don't think there's anybody that has done it four
times every time out.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
But this is a second time.
So this album is good, butlet's acknowledge the fact that
there's a drop-off.
What this album is to me isactually closer to Section 80.
It's not on damn to pimp abutterfly or good kid mad city
level so the classic talk.
That's not on.
Damn to pimp a butterfly atGood Kid Mad City level.
So the classic talk.
That's not it.
It's a really good project froman all-time great artist and

(33:54):
there's nothing wrong with that.
It just needs to get treatedthat way.
So I don't want to hear this oh, this is goat talk.
It's none of that.
There's no goat talk on here.
There are barely verse of theyear contenders on here.
The verse three on reincarnatedto me would probably be the
closest thing to a verse of theyear contender on here.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
He doesn't have a lot of those either guys, that's
what I was saying about mydelete later and what Cole did
lyrically Like that was moreimpressive.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
I would agree with you that lyrically, cole is
better on my delete later thanKendrick is on this album, but I
will tell you that I would giveKendrick the overall mic
performance.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Absolutely the record sound better.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
The record sound better when he hits the mark.
So let's go ahead and addressthe next thing Now.
This is better than Mr Moraleand the Big Steppers.
It's 10 times better.
So I need people to get off myass about me dragging that
crappy ass album through the mud.
I drug it through the mudbecause I already seen dirt on
it.
The album's not any good.
We can say that with clear,unequivocal thought today after

(34:57):
listening to this project.
Right, Right.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
I like it better than To Pimp a Butterfly, but
objectively I can't say thatit's better, but I enjoy it more
than To Pimp a Butterfly.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
It's easy to listen.
It's an easy listen.
That's another thing too.
What's up with the subjectmatter on this album, guys?
I thought this was yoursocially conscious king.
That's why when I sent thetweet out so this is your king.
It's like your king kind oftalks like everybody else talks.
You just got better talk game.
You know what I'm saying?
Everybody else talk.
You just got better talk game.
His spit game is just better.

(35:28):
He's not really saying anythingnew or special.
All of these guest appearancesyou can scratch outside of
Scissor, guys.
You can scratch all the guestappearances outside of.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Scissor.
They're virtually unknown.
No, I'm not talking about beingunknown.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
We didn't know who sold.
God was like that on JoseCanseco.
It's about making your mark,and a Kendrick Lamar album is
the perfect fucking time to makeyour mark as an MC.
None of the guys showed up tothe party to party appropriately
.
Sza fucking delivered BecauseLuther and Gloria are two of the
five best songs on the album.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
I don't know if I agree with that Coop.
I think they did what they'resupposed to do.
I think they actually did whatthey're supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
No, To Coop's point, if you artist Kendrick's caliber
, when you have a feature thatsomebody who is a virtual
unknown, you would hope thatthey could be able to make their
presence on the track and standnext to him.
Kendrick was going back andforth and they sound like they
shouldn't maybe even be on thetrack with him.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
That's what I'm saying.
Let's talk about some executiveproduction moments right here
and let's talk about somethought process.
And let's talk about hiscreative bag right quick.
First of all, I'm with AG onthe Love Part 6.
I think the Love Part 6 mightbe the best song on this whole
fucking album.
Actually, the story is great.
It's definitely a top threesong.

(36:53):
Shout out to Kendrick and theFreddie for flipping R&B samples
on their album that we were notexpecting niggas to rap to.
Who the fuck thought somebodywas going to rap over Cupid by
112 and Use your Heart by SWV.
Excellent choices, excellentproduction.
Both of those are excellentsongs, some of my favorite work
that I've heard this year.
The next song is GNX.

(37:15):
Guys, you just spent this wholetime.
No, listen, if you listen towhat I'm about to say, you just
spent this whole time breakingdown the whole TDE thing and
then you go do a posse cut songright after that breakdown when
the real move, the real chessmove, is to get J-Rock, ab-soul

(37:35):
and Q on that record.
What the fuck are we talkingabout?
And why am I the only personthat noticed how major of a
misstep and a moment that couldhave been for him to give the
full analysis and breakdown andthen slide into a posse that's a
great point.
That's a great point what thefuck are we talking about?
That's why those guestappearances don't matter.

(37:55):
But that's executive production.
And I'm going to tell you what.
At that point, when thathappened because I from the
notes that I was taking on itthat's when I realized well, a
lot is made of his album makingability.
A lot of the album makingability lies in his creative
genius.
His creative genius is not thesame guys.
He is pulling from multipleplaces at multiple times.

(38:19):
For the first time, when you usea Kendrick experience, it's a
Kendrick Lamar experience.
It's not a Tupac interpretationexperience.
It's not a Fabo riff.
It's not a Nas interpretation.
It's not a Rakim bar.
You get what I'm saying.
It's usually never those thingswith him.
I take that as a mark that hiscreative juice is not the same.

(38:41):
And that's why I was tellingy'all it's like well, those
battle songs.
It's like, oh, no, that's thefirst time we heard that guy.
And there's nothing wrong,because when I talk about this
happening with Kanye, everybodyfucking agrees.
But when I say the same thingabout this guy's oh, you don't
know what you're talking about.
It's like no, he didn't used tohave to do stuff like this to
make the songs palatable.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
But all MCs do that though.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Him stepping to the mic used to be palatable enough
it did.
There didn't used to be ahave-to-need album where the
best songs Think about it.
Ag, your best song is a Tupacimpersonation.
The next song that you think isgreat is a Nas impersonation.
Another one of the best songshas a Favo riff on it.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Yeah, but all MCs do that.
Kendrick can't be indicted forthat when all MCs do the same
thing.
This is what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yes, he can, because we hold our greatest MCs to
different standards, which is mywhole point.
Ag, what you just said is myproblem with his fan base,
because they're like no, noother MCs do that Other.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
MCs are not Kendrick Lamar, according to everybody,
including me, then Jay wouldhave to get docked a lot of
points then, but he's stillnumber two all time on your list
though.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
I dock Nas all the time.
I'd be like man he could havekept that shit.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
But I'm talking about taking stuff from other people.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Nobody says.
When I talk about Nostradamus,nobody really says a word.
When I do that shit, you feelwhat I'm saying?
I'd be like man, he could havekept that.
Nobody says nothing.
I'd be like yo.
I'm like this dude ain't made agood album in eight years.
You're crazy.
He's the greatest MC of alltime.
It's like no, he ain't made agood album in eight years.
Now I'm going to stop sayingthat shit today because he

(40:24):
actually made a dope album.
So the drought of him actuallymaking a quality album it does
officially end with the releaseof this project.
This is a good project but,much like I started seeing with
Kanye, it's more flashes than itis the consistent brilliance
that you're used to, and we needto acknowledge that and accept
that and stop acting like.
This is the same guy that madeGood Kid Mad City to Pimple

(40:44):
Butterfly and Damn, which hasbeen the whole premise of my
point this whole time.
He's not that guy anymore.
He's still great.
He's still great.
He's still all-time great.
He's not that guy.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
That's what I've been saying, but what if it's an
effort to not do that?
Because that's what Iappreciated about the album,
though.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
AG, you just don't got the juice like that.
No more to fucking pump it outlike that anymore.
It's okay, it happens.
What do you want him to do?

Speaker 3 (41:10):
I'd rather it be an album like this instead of one
of those heavy concept albumswhere you could just put on this
and a joint.
I'd rather it be that.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
But that's what I'm saying.
He used to be able to do bothat the same damn time.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
The quote future Cool what do you want him to do?

Speaker 3 (41:22):
It got to be one or the other.
You can't ask for both.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
You know what I'm saying I'm not asking for both.
I'm just acknowledging theobvious.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Because when he goes heavy down that lane you get a
Mr Morale.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
I said the album was good, did I not?
Did I not just say that I wasgoing to stop saying that he
hadn't made a good album ineight years?

Speaker 3 (41:43):
But I'm talking about you said he can't do that no
more.
I'm saying maybe it was aconcerted effort to not do that,
to make a more loose album.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
No, because Mr Morale is proof that he can't do that
anymore.
But you can think differentlyif you'd like.
In my opinion, Mr Morale is theproof that his ability of making
palatable, highly sociallyconscious and aware songs that
deliver and hit the mark andstill like, have replay value.
I think mr morale proves thatthose days are done for him.

(42:14):
This is an easier pull off now.
Here's what I will say.
I do feel like this nigga'sbeen listening to me, because
everything I've been saying hedon't do he tried to do.
On this album I said outside ofgood kid mad city, you wouldn't
know that this nigga's fromCali.
Oh, this shit sounds so Cali,don't it?
But it still ain't good enough.
A lot of no, it's not that no,I rated a lot of these records

(42:37):
from the perspective of knowing.
Well, I actually like the factand gonna give him an extra
bonus point, even though I havesome of these songs rated lower.
But I understand the missionstatement.
This is his West Coast album.
He hasn't made a West Coastalbum.
That's what I've been tellingyou.
I was like we got a nigga thaty'all saying is like Good Kid's

(42:57):
real West Coast.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
It is a West Coast album.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
For its time.
That's why I've been saying ohwell, if you don't know about
Good Kid Mad City, you don'teven know that this guy's from
Compton and that's, and that'strue.
If you don't know about GoodKid Mad City and Section 80, you
don't know this nigga fromCompton until today, like until
this album drops but like Joewas saying on his show, this
album's like a dog whistle forWest Coast, like it's, you know

(43:23):
so a lot of this shit is goingto bang on the west and they're
going to love it, but in theoverall specter not as much, and
I did try to keep that in mind.
Like there are joints on herelike how about this?
Oh no, west coast niggas fuckwith peekaboo.
Tough right now.
Peekaboo is one of those joints.
It's like oh, it doesn't playin the overall sphere, oh, but

(43:45):
west coast niggas gonna love itand gonna have a problem with
you if you tell them the shitain't good.
They about to have a problemwith my black ass because I
don't like it let me ask you aquestion, coop.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
So and sean alluded to this earlier that something
else might be on the way.
I don't know if you saw theteaser for this album, but on
the teaser for this album therewas a song playing that wasn't
even on this track list, right,so it might be something else
coming down the pipeline.
So what if that's theconceptual album that you're
talking about?
He just put this out as kind ofpeople saying a mixtape, uh,

(44:17):
appetizer album, so you know,just to kind of throw it out
there for the real deal no, ag,please don't confuse what I am
saying.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
I'm more okay with him doing this than him doing
the concept stuff, because Idon't think he can deliver the
concept stuff anymore.
That's part of why this albumis good.
Part of why this album is goodis because how about this?
It's like this Sometimes apainter in their prime paints on

(44:52):
the biggest canvas that theycan find and they have the
capability in the paint to painton that canvas when they get
older.
Sometimes they have to condenseand work on smaller work
because it's easier.
They don't have as much time,their hand is not as steady as
it used to be.
They've been painting so longthat they get to shake.
Sometimes They've got to takemore of a break, and so what

(45:12):
this is is it's still a picturefrom him and it's still a
beautiful picture.
It's in a smaller, morecondensed frame because that's
what works for him better atthis point.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
So you are saying he did execute on Gloria man at the
Garden and you said he executedthose concepts or no?

Speaker 1 (45:33):
I'll tell you what AG I'll do you one better.
I'll give you my rating of thesongs in my specific notes.
Let's go to Gloria.

Speaker 5 (45:39):
He has a super chat.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Let me do the super chat.
Hold on, where are we at?

Speaker 5 (45:47):
Let me see all right here hold on, hold on one second
.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Let me catch up, because I'm old and I can't read
that shit.
You have to read that one, sean, because I'm too far down in
the chat dot made this for thecity, la this wasn't for y'all
see, see already.
Mad max with the 199 super chatcoop to pimple butterfly, not
over ds2 gang or that tribealbum.
That's crazy talk.
Mad max, we're gonna have tostart banning you, but keep

(46:15):
sending super chat.
Tracy g, two dollars.
There is no 3001 on gnx.
Okay, mad max, 199 mexicanssaying the n-word on this album.
Mad Max, we don't have time tounpack all that tonight.
I don't know what you're tryingto do.
I don't know what you're tryingto do.
The election's over.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
I don't care what Max is trying to do, as long as
it's been a super chat, shoutout to you, max.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
The election's over.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
White people want to go Max Get over it.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Hey, max, get over here.
Brandon Rogers $10.
Kendrick did one thing thatCoop requested.
This is probably his most WestCoast-hounding album in his
catalog.
My issue is people like him arepolarizing His stan and haters
are annoying CJ the Kid $10.
I felt like this was Doc tryingto do his version of what Dre
did on the Chronic by bringingsome unknowns at the time and

(47:03):
giving them a platform to besomething bigger.
The execution did not matchsome unknowns at the time and
giving them a platform to besomething bigger.
The execution did not match CJ.
The no-names Dr Dre bought wereSnoop Dogg, nate Dogg, warren G
, corruption Dad, the Lady ofRage.
What the fuck are we talkingabout CJ.
I love you, Don't ever do thatagain, it's ridiculous.
It's the love you Don't ever dothat again.

(47:25):
It's ridiculous.
It's the best unsigned rosterever to step into a studio
Period.
We got more Super Chats.
Yeah, that was the last one forright now.
Okay, so I think, gloria, firstof all, matter of fact, ag, let
me just read this to you.
You'll love this Masterful andmajestic, perfect beat for his

(47:47):
vocal range on this song.
Vocal range is overallimpressive on this album.
Outside of reincarnated sizzlewith the I gave you power line
is like foreshadowing a clue ofhow the record is going to end.
Truly brilliant sizzle, low-key, helps push this album over the
top, possibly the best recordon this album.

(48:09):
I gave Gloria a 5 out of 5.
On man at the Garden, I gave ita 4.5 out of 5.
I say 1, mike, part 2.
He's not the GOAT, but he doeshave a chip on his shoulder and
a competitive will that allGOATs have in all professions,
and I put in parentheses MichaelJordan, tom Brady, nas Jay.

(48:29):
So those are my thoughts onthose two records.
So I do believe that heexecuted those songs.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
I'm just trying to understand.
So you're saying he can'tstream together a whole album of
these is what you're getting at.
Oh no, those days are done.
That's what I mean.
I disagree, but I just wantedto clarify what you were saying.
He could do it like flashes,but not for a while and those in
my opinion.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
That and the heart, part 6 those are three of the
five best records on the album.
So he can do it in that bag,but those three records are
really the only time he's inthat bag but even if he could, I
didn't want that.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
now I like the Luther and TV Off and Joint Slight
Dodger Blue sprinkled in therewith those concept records to me
to make them stand out evenmore.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
I'm going to go ahead and say it I don't like Dodger
Blue.
You can keep that.
I love that.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Record it sounds like you could put it on.
Damn man, it's a vibe.
I love that record.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
This is exactly what my note was on this album, on
that record, and I already knowwhat it is it's like.
I don't know if I love thisbeat or hate this beat.
Kill that shit.
I hate when I feel that wayabout a record.
I don't know if I should lovethe beat or hate the beat.
If I gotta ask myself if I lovea beat or hate a beat, you're
asking me to do too much becauseI already got to listen to
Kendrick Uh-uh.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
No, can I ask both of y'all a question?
Do y'all respect that he didn'tput any of the diss tracks on
here to try to ride that way?

Speaker 1 (49:54):
It's the first thing I noticed and I do respect it.
I do too, I'm glad he didn't dothat.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
I would have looked at that funny if he did.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
It would have taken so much away from his legacy
potentially, and from the album.
I love that he didn't do it.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Yeah, what'd you say, sean, I'm good, go ahead.
No, I mean, what do you thinkabout that?
Not putting the diss tracks onthem?

Speaker 5 (50:15):
We got a super chat real quick.
We got two of them actually.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Okay, that's Sean's way of saying I don't have
feelings.
We had super chats.
Ill Magic with the $5 superchat, would y'all say.
Lupe has outshined Docconceptually.
Between their last two albumsthey've dropped in this era
Drill and Samurai Morale, g andX it's like yeah, but that's
like saying, oh man, does thatperson have a better crossover

(50:40):
than Steph Curry?
It's like yeah, can he shootlike Steph?
Is he playing like Steph?
All the time?
Nobody cares about one thingthat you do well if motherfucker
does everything else better.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Lupe is hard to out-conceptualize the problem
with Lupe.
He struggles to bring it downto where it's easily digestible.
How?

Speaker 1 (50:55):
about this.
What Kendrick just did just now, that I'm giving him credit for
this, is Lupe's problem.
Can't get an album like thisfrom Lupe.
There will be no squabble up,for Lupe is the problem.
That's the problem.
Am I wrong?

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Early on he could do that, but not now.
I don't feel like he could.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
He hasn't been able to do that since the Cool dude.
My daughter wasn't alive whenthe Cool came out.
She's about to graduate fromhigh school.
Nigga, I just drove her car Car, I just drove her car car's
driving great.
By the way, sweetie, she's onvacation.
She hit me.
You know how real this shit is.
My daughter's been on a cruiseship for a week and when the
Kendrick drop ain't text me,ain't talk to me about nothing,

(51:36):
I gotta check up every day thatKendrick drop.
She was like yo, daddy, youseen Kendrick drop, right, y'all
doing a show it's news, it's adeal even all the way from a
boat in the Bahamas.
It's a deal, tracy G, with the$5.
This album was like BlackPanther 1 overhyped and not good

(51:58):
.
It's not that bad.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Black Panther 1 is a classic.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
That's crazy no, I'm with Tracy.
That album fucking sucks andyou're tripping.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Oh, I thought she was talking about the movie no, I
was talking about the soundtrack.
Oh, thank God.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Yeah, I was about to crash out.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
I was like Black Panther 1 is a classic yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
Yeah, I'm about to block that.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
R Johnson with the $5 super chat.
This is his first super chat.
The LA rap community will havea rude awakening when they find
out the rap fans outside of CaliOnly fuck with Kendrick and
Tyler.
That's not true, Larry June.
There's plenty of dope WestCoast artists out there.
Cali's had a hell of a yearLow-key Cali's in a hell of a
year.
Low-key, I mean high-key.
It just dropped again.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
Yeah, Cali is the forefront right now.
Cali's leading the pack rightnow.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Ab Soul, you know what I'm saying, schoolboy Cali
killing it, tyler, damn RJohnson, that's your first super
chat with us.
My G, that's what you going todo with it Big hit in the game.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
It's been a lot of Cali stuff this year.
Big hit in the game for the topfive album this year.
What's up bro?

Speaker 5 (53:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Shout out to Cali man .
Shout out to the whole.

Speaker 5 (53:12):
West Coast man.
Shout out to all the West Coast, west Coast doing it up Right
now.
The West Coast is actuallyrunning things right now.
Let's keep it real.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
It would appear.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
It would appear.
We'll talk about that at theyear-end review.
We'll know about all that.
We'll see CJ the Kid with the$10 Super Chat Damn Coop.
I was just saying Kendrickmight have tried to do the same
concept with new artists.
I didn't say that Dot has Dre'sear and foresight to see if the
artists will have the samefuture, but he needs to take a

(53:42):
cue right now.
Damn the future.
Where's my TEE record after thehard part six?

Speaker 5 (53:47):
What is your hard?

Speaker 1 (53:47):
reduction.
Some of these beats ain't allthat either.
The production on this album isnot up to par with where he is
still as an MC, because him at85% is still better than 95% of
the lead.
Let's be clear, that's what I'msaying.
People take some of my stancesand some of my takes differently
from how I actually see thingsand how I actually feel about

(54:10):
things.
When it comes to him, it's likeoh no, I'll take him at 85%.
He's better than 95% at 85%.
Acknowledge that, it's fucking85%.
And this shit is not 100anymore, though.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Sean had a question for you, though what?

Speaker 5 (54:24):
is your argument.
You though.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Nobody asked Sean If he had a question.
Nobody cares about Sean'squestion.

Speaker 5 (54:30):
I'm trying to help you understand your feelings.
Right now, your feelings areall over the place.
I'm trying to bring yourfeelings back in Walk with me.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
I feel so traumatized by the last two Kendrick Houses
.
I need therapy From what I havebeen through, from how people
have felt about me Feeling acertain type of way about these
last two albums.
I need things.

Speaker 5 (54:49):
I get it, but that's why we're trying to help you out
here, because I even asked forsome help, because I can't it
takes a village to help Coop inthis situation because I do
think you would like this album.
I think you love this album.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
I don't love this album, don't?

Speaker 5 (55:02):
do that shit, don't do that shit.
I think, when you were at homethis weekend, you was really
loving this album in yourcomforts of your own home and
right now you cannot processwhat's happening.
Right now, you can't process it.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
I said the album was good.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
I guarantee, when Squabble came on, you started
dancing.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
I'm sure, squabble up is hard.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
Squabble up is hard, I guarantee you.
I guarantee you with dancingand you're trying to process all
of this, I get it.
So I had to ask for some help,because we're a community to
help each other, and I had toreach out to some folks that
actually know and love KendrickA lot, lot, a lot Coop, because

(55:44):
we're here to help you.
This show is not about Kendrickanymore.
It's not Kendrick anymore.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
It's about you.
I want your help.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
It's about you Coop.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Is this an intervention?

Speaker 5 (55:53):
It's an intervention.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Kendrick dropped the album.
I don't need help.
You want to know what you andme we're going to have to
quabble up.
I don't need help.

Speaker 5 (56:10):
But, coop, when you say it's good, you do have a
backhanded complimentary toneabout it.
Yes, that's what I'm trying tounderstand, because you say it's
good, but you're saying thathe's not shooting at a high clip
.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
No, no, no, no, no, no.
You're confusing me.
I'm saying in relation howabout this?
Is he an all-time great MC?
He's one of them.

Speaker 5 (56:27):
He's one of them.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
He's one of them, is he number one for this
generation, by all accounts.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
Yes, you got to give it to him you got to give it to
him.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
I don't have a problem with giving it to him.
So, now that we've given himall of that, we rate him that
way then, don't we?
Because I judge Nas and Jay andRakim and Scarface and
Ghostface and those guys thehardest, the hardest.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
But you understand defending that it's not a
classic.
Nobody is saying it's a classic.
No, it's a classic momentbecause it's capping off the
year, but it's not a classicalbum.

Speaker 5 (57:01):
I want to understand the argument.
That's why I'm asking.
It's just good.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
It's just good.
There's nothing wrong with me.
When an all-time great MC dropsa good album, and I say that
it's good because it's him, it'slike, oh, but what is he trying
to say?
I'm saying that it's good.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
What I said earlier in the show.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
It's a really good album with some great moments.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Let me ask you this he was already having the best
year.
You know what I'm saying of anMC, but we needed an album.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Those are lies.
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Who was having a better year than Kendrick?

Speaker 1 (57:37):
How can somebody without an album be having the
best year?

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Before this album dropped, who was having the
better year than Kendrick Name?

Speaker 5 (57:44):
them who.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
I love Future's year right now.
I said that on the last show.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Okay, you got Future.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
He said he got the notoriety with it and I said
that last show I said if I waspicking an artist of the year, I
would pick Future.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
This is like a Jordan 91 year though.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Hold on, hold on.
Where did this beef startactually?
On what record On?

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Future's on.
Where did this beef start?

Speaker 1 (58:08):
actually On what record?
On Future's joint it outshinedFuture's joint.
It did.
Everybody just talked aboutthat.
Impact numbers, music output.
Future is outpacing Kendrick'son all metrics, outside of one
record, and you're going to tellme that Kendrick was the one
running this year over Future?
No, that's the bullshit I'mtalking about.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Okay, but after this album would you say that now
Broke out.
The Super Bowl took out Drake.
The biggest artist there is, jCole apologized to the man on
stage in front of thousands.
He had the best feature thereis this year, but like that he
has the best record of the year,but not, like us, best feature
this year.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
like that he has the best record of the year but not,
like us, best feature this year.
You think, ag, you know thatfeature's not that good.
Don't do that.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Name a feature this year.
Better than like that Name it.
Name it, it's Polaroid and KoolKool.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Morgue.
No, there's Hold on.
Hold on AG.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
What feature made as much?
Noise as like that You're nottalking about best.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
You're not talking about best.
You're talking about mostnotoriety.
Those are two different things.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Okay, but name one Most notoriety is off the table,
so we know that that's what itis.

Speaker 5 (59:14):
We got a couple of super chats.
That's wild.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
AG, that's the type of shit I expect from Sean.

Speaker 5 (59:21):
What are you doing?
Let's get the super chats realquick, cool.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Oh man, this is terrible CJ the.
Kid no, no, no, no, no, no.
Did we read CJ, the Kid's $10Superchat?

Speaker 3 (59:33):
We did yeah last time .

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Bohemian J just dropped his first Superchat for
$199, but he didn't say anything.
There go Bohemian J, again $199.
How much numbers do you guysthink Kenny will do?
What do you think he?

Speaker 5 (59:43):
What you think he's tracking right now?
Pretty high, I think last time.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
I saw it.
300?
Yeah, 300 sounds about right.
I can see him doing 300.
All right, cj.
Cj the Kid with his $10 SuperChat Starting to feel like 92-93
with the West Coast run Makesme wonder who will be this
generation's Wu-Tang, nas orBiggie, to make East come with
something that will stand out.
Okay so CJ the Kid out.
Okay so CJ the kid.
I'm going to have a littlereality check.

(01:00:06):
If there ain't no Wu-Tangs, nasor Big E's walking through the
door to stop this shit.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Nah Griselda's keeping the East Coast alive.
That's about it.
I'm going to say that again.
They're in the Wu-Tangs.
No, they're not Wu, but they're.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
You know, they're the most appropriate replacement
we've got, since they've beengone correct, or post-prime Mad
Max with the $9.99.
I only bought the Mexican thingup, since Adolf Hitler won a
police who can say the N-wordand West ain't running nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
You're going to take the check.
Yo, we got some guests.
Y'all ready for our guests.
We got some guests.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
This is part of the intervention for Coop is part of
the intervention for Coop manfuck your intervention yeah,
never change Coop, never changeCoop Sean.
Ag.
I don't plan on changing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I don't plan on changing at all how fascinating
to meet you all again.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
I feel like we have been doing this for four years.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
I can't believe what I'm hearing on this episode from
the person who was supposed tobe the beacon of hip hop culture
himself Coop.
I am highly disappointed in youtoday, good brother.
He said your light is dimmingtoo, Coop.
You said am highly disappointedin you today, good brother.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
He said your light is dimming too.
Coop, you said the Kendrick'sdimming.
Jarv said your light wasdimming.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
I can't believe what I'm hearing, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
No talk to me.
Hold on, Jarv.
What are you taking issue withwhat I'm saying?
Tell me what I'm saying thatyou feel like is off base.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Before I even get into that, I want to shout you
brothers out.
You know what I mean.
I love what you guys are doing.
Ag, you and I have had ourdifferences.
That's in the past.
Now we move forward, sean, webuild, we move forward.
I love what y'all doing.
Y'all see me in the chatregularly.
Y'all crushing this shit.
Tonight, as per usual, I lovewhat I'm seeing.

(01:02:03):
When it comes to what I'mhearing from you, when you came
to New York right, you went toQueens.
Did you go to Harlem?

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
No, I did not get to go to Harlem.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
Because you're giving Harlem hater energy right now.
You know, Harlem dudes have aunique ability to compliment you
while simultaneously insultingyou.

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
Yeah, lower East.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
They would tell you, yo, your fit is tough, while
also telling you what theywouldn't have worn with that
same fit.
They just told you was tough.
Kendrick Lamar, as far as whatyou talk about, when it comes to
MCing, when it comes tocontrolling the space, when it
comes to emceeing, when it comesto controlling the space, when
it comes to being dynamic,everything you talk about

(01:02:51):
Kendrick is doing it.
I don't even like this guy likethat.
But every time he shows up, hedoes all of the things we like
our rappers to do.
So when I see you here,sometimes defending Aubrey
adjacently, I get very confused,because a man of the club as

(01:03:12):
yourself, kenny, representseverything you love about this
rap shit.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
Nah, Coop picks a heel and dies on it.
He dies on whatever heel he'son.
He stays there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
AG.
In fact, the way Kenny respondsto certain situations is very
Coop-like.
So I'm like is it that they'retoo much alike, that he can't
see the vision?
What's going on, Coop, Help meunderstand.
They're the same person.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Let me unpack some of what you said.
So, when you're talking aboutthe things that he does, my
biggest gripe is that, no, jar,he hasn't really been doing
those things in a long time.
He does those things on thisalbum.
I'm giving him that like.
I'm giving him that.
It's like, oh no, there is apart of me that is listening to

(01:03:57):
this album today that, like,without any of my arrogance
involved, which we all know isinvolved it's like, oh no, this
nigga made this album to shut methe fuck up, so now I have to
bring my black ass up here onYouTube and be like man you had
to come home.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
That album is really dope.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
No, this is what I asked for.
I've been the main one championfor him and it's like yo, all
that other Mr Morale, all thatconcept, go home, make some West
Coast shit.
This is that.
So I have no reason to complainin terms of the aesthetic that
he chose.
I do think some of the beatchoices are questionable.
I think the Pac riff because ofwho he is vocally questionable.

(01:04:35):
But actually and here's thecrazy thing about it, and I
didn't even get to get to thisbecause I knew you guys had to
jump in but I think I mayactually have this album rated
higher than AG and Sean do.
I just didn't get to thatbecause when I rate all the
songs, I gave this song, it's 12records, right.
I gave it three fives, I gaveit three threes.

(01:04:57):
I gave it three 4.5s and I gaveit two 3.5s.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
That's real crazy.
I was listening and all I heardwas he don't got the juice no
more.
Creatively, he's run out ofmojo.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Y'all didn't catch it .
He made those numbers up on thefly to save himself what I'm
saying no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
I have my ratings right here and I haven't grabbed
my pen.
He is not creatively the sameguy.
I stand on that.
His creative juice is not thesame.
Let's not act like it is Peoplerunning around thinking Glory
is better than Duckworth.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
But why do you have to say that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
You think Glory is better than Duckworth Come on,
but does it?
Have to be?
Is Squabble up better thanMoney Tree?

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
Why do you have to?

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
highlight that.
Why do we?

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
do that Squabble Up is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
Don't do that.
Squabble Up is great.
Now see, you won't be one ofthem when the Nas and Premier
drop like yo.
It's not New York State of Mind.
You can't do that man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
First of all, that Defy my Name.
Shit is not like it's not, butthat's the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Why do you have to do that, man?
First of all, that defy my name.
Shit is not like it's not, butthat's the problem.
Why do you have to highlightthat?
We know it's not that hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
First of all, the record need to have staying
power.
I like squabble up.
How about this?
Let's take it a notch down?
Is squabble up even backseatfreestyle?

Speaker 5 (01:06:20):
it doesn't have to be cool.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
I'm not asking you're missing the point first of all,
sean AG, get to deal with youall the time Nobody really asks.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
You stuck in 2012,.
My G.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
I'm talking about quality of records.
No, no, no.
If they're saying I'm saying helost his creative juice, then
I'm going to point out the stuffon Good Kid, mad City, to pimp
a butterfly and damn, to showthat creatively there has been
some sort of drop off.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Squabble Up is one of the best records of this album
right.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
Yeah, it's not in my top five.
I don't know it's a slapper,but I don't know, if it's one of
the best.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
That's not intended to be creative though.
Coop, it's a bop, it's a vibe.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
I'm talking about the level in which he operates, in
terms of the consistency that hemakes these quality records and
picking that particular sampleto make a West Coast slapper is
it's crazy.
It's crazy Conceptually andcreatively.
That's part of the package too,of course.

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
Thank you.
You're getting Debbie Dell fromBrooklyn sample to make it and
it's a West Coast bop.
It's a B-boy.
You're a producer, you have aproducer's ear.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Never in my life would I hear that sample and be
like yo, I'm going to make asample.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
I like the genius behind teasing that on the Not
Like Us video and it cuts offright before the sample jumps in
.
So when you hear the sample inreal time, you're like oh shit.
Like oh shit.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
Like you know what I mean, and you play it through.
Come on, it's a B-boy recordthat has a West Coast bop.
How can you even do that,honestly, as a curator, as
someone who makes music, how canyou think about a B-boy-centric
record?

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
That record came out in 83.
Isn't B-boy one of the coreelements?
He's still providing culture,Even if he's not giving you the
commentary.
He's delivering elements eachtime out.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Yes, Okay, so we talk about how not all fives are
created equal, right, Right.
I only gave three songs of fiveon here.
I'm bringing up Squabble Upbecause Squabble Up is actually
one of the three songs I gavefive to.
It's just not the same type offive from him Creatively.
It is not the same all-timegreat genius level.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
it's great for this time when I'm saying is it
better?

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
when I'm asking, when I'm asking sean and ag, yo, do
y'all think freddie album'sstill better?
Well, that's because that's theonly album that I've heard this
year that I can think of offthe top of my head.
After listening to this album,that truly competes with this
album.
So I'm not saying that he's notthere.
I literally just said beforey'all jumped on 85% of him is
better than 95%.

(01:08:51):
Just don't tell me it's 100anymore.
I'm cool with the 85.
And if he's gonna make albumslike this for the rest of
whatever his career is, oh no,he is gonna go down top 10, top
5, because even doing this atthis stage in the game is hard
to do.
I'd like to see him do it moreoften, because this is album
number.
What on year number?

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
what Cool.
Let me ask you something.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Album number what on year number what Album number?
Six on year number what?

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
I got a question for you, cool.
Tell the truth here.
Tell the truth, how much ofthis?
Is you still punishing him forthat five-year hiatus?
Because I remember you when youwas in a town portal across the
street, you used to get on hisass about that break and I feel
like you still ain't let that go.
No Big TV energy Guys.
I feel like a part of you feelslike he had it in 2018.

(01:09:41):
To me, 2024 Kenny and 2018Kenny ain't that much different
as far as what his position inthe space, the kind of records
he was making.
He had Dan.
He followed that with the BlackPanther soundtrack.
Then he left us and I feel likeyou've been upset with him ever
since then.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
You're not being truthful here.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
Let me ask y'all at the Rap Roundtable this, because
we and Coop had a wholeargument on this show, like as
high as he holds Rakim Rakimtook the same amount of years
off as a break and came backwith the 18th letter.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
Let's talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
The 18th letter is not like that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
Don't even do that, kenny and Ray hire you all the
time.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
First of all, Jar, I'm going to tell you what.
First of all, that's anexcellent question to ask me,
Like real shit.
That's an excellent question,AG.
Just real quick, I'm going tohandle it.
I'm going to work in reverseorder.
Ag.
My whole thing with thedifference between the breaks is
when Rakim left, Rakim wasconsidered by the masses to be
the greatest MC of all time.
When he left, it was not likethat.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
When Kendrick left, in my opinion, Maybe greatest
for his generation, but not forthis era Jarv when you asked me
that that's a little tough,because it was, it was hip hop
was what?
10, 15 years old at the time,it's 50 now.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
So when he came back it was a steep decline and kept
declining.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Rock him, no, rock him.
His degree of difficulty iseasier than Kendrick's in terms
of the comeback, because not asmuch hip hop had existed.

Speaker 5 (01:11:01):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
We had less to go off of their mind, making his
comeback easier to enjoy thanKendrick's.
We had so many more classics bythe time Kendrick took a break,
as opposed to when Rakim took abreak.
When Rakim took a break wemaybe had like 15 all-time
classic albums.
15 to 20 albums, that was likeall-time, all-time.
But when Kendrick took a breakwe had 100 of them.
So I'm going to give Kendrickthat Jar of them.

(01:11:25):
So I'm going to give Kendrickthat Jarv.
You want to know what You'reright.
I do hold it against him.
You want to know why I hold itagainst him?
It's because I feel like heactually was on a trajectory to
be arguably the greatest MC ofall time and I do feel like he
ruined that when he did takethat break.
There was no reason whatsoeverto take that break.
Nobody had ever popped likethat Like Nas Hold on Nas Jay

(01:11:53):
Big.
None of them have a three albumof the year run.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
All I got to say is life happens Coop.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
You know what I dig that I started off this show
talking about how life happensto me.
You know how many people carewhen it comes to entertainment,
about life happening to youNobody.
Not a goddamn person.
They just want theentertainment.
As a matter of fact, they wantwhat happened to you to come out
faster when they know it'shappening to you not five years.
So, Jarv, I did kind of take itpersonally in the hip hop level

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because I didn't think that wewould see somebody from the era
that he existed in be evencapable of challenging Big and
Nas and Pac and Jay, and when heleft after Damn, he was the
only person that I thought coulddo it.
It did stick me somewhere andbe like the nervous motherfucker
.
He had it the way nobody hadhad it before he could have took

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it and he left and then he cameback and dropped that album,
and the album is really whatpissed me off, Jarv because if
you're going to take a break andthen drop that and I still
think that, right next to theDogfather by Snoop, it's the
worst album a superstar rapperhas ever dropped.
That's how little I think ofthat album.
I put it next to the Dogfatherand Prince of Darkness by Kane.

(01:13:05):
It's one of those albums to methat's tough.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
You know what I see the vision.
I can understand that because Iwas one of those who got on
Kenny for taking that break.
But you know what, as lifehappens and we go through our
emotions and changes happen andyou get to understand how an
artist goes about their craft.
He's not just a rapper who canwrite bars.
You know, I think, like some ofus, because a lot of our

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hip-hop primes age-wise, we gotthe witness guys be very
prolific in our teens and early20s.
We've seen what hove did and Ithink that kind of broke the
scale.
We saw what wheezy did.
We saw what the tis did.
These guys were active outside.
I think when you put a lot ofemotion and passion into your
art form, sometimes you can'tjust write bars, and I think
that's what happened to Kenny.

(01:13:54):
So, hold on, hold on.
What did you just say?

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Hold on, hold on.
What did you just say, Jarv?
You said when you put all thosepassion into your bars,
sometimes you can't write.
That's that for you.
You said I'm talking about Jarv.
You're not saying anythingdifferent than I just said.

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
You're just saying it in a more affectionate manner
I'm saying that the reality is,when you have an artist like
Kenny who puts a certain type ofenergy into the craft, he can't
just make music.
Kenny could have probably gavehis albums Mad Times, just for
the business aspect of it.
But think about the album hegave us.
Even if I don't like Mr Morale,I don't it's on record.
Look at that.
He gave us a therapy album, bro.

(01:14:27):
He was fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Jarv, let me ask you something.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
I think that album, being the first album that he
drops after taking thatfive-year break, explains the
five-year break.
I'm on record saying that albumwas brilliant to me.
I don't give a fuck what nobodysays.
That album was brilliant frontto back.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
My son told me today he'd like an album better than
the new one.
I was like, wait what?

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Mr Murdoch was incredible Writing-wise,
musically, conceptually.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
The writing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
The fact that he that was the theme for the album
after the five-year breakexplains the five-year break,
you know I mean.
So I feel like people wouldunderstand that at some point
facts.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
But even if you feel like coop does, this current
album is a palate cleanser, so Idon't see the problem right and
that, and that's my otherproblem with with coop.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Right now it's like because he's saying that
creatively he don't got it nomore, so let let's pull that
thread.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
No, I didn't say that .

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Let's pull that thread, though.
Let's say he's not ascreatively inclined as he was
before.
You know what I mean?
Let's say he's not.
He doesn't have the level ofcreativity that he.
He's still creatively inclined,but not at the level as he was
before.
Is that fair?
Yes, I think fair.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
Yes, I think it's intentional.
I'm not saying that.
I think it's intentional.
How about?

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
this.
How about this?
Let's go back to Jar's point,sin, right quick, because I hear
what you're saying.
Let's go back to the break,right quick.
I equate the break to like whenAli went to war.
When Ted Williams went to war,it's like, no, he just gave up
four or five years of his prime.
Why would you give up four orfive years of your prime?

(01:16:13):
Like those guys?
For for different reasons oneto serve his country, one to
fight against the injusticessystemically of his country
chose not to fight.
They weren't the same Like,like.
Even though Ali's the greatest,he's not the same guy.
After the war, like.
That guy has to be more of atactician, a thinker, um, a

(01:16:35):
mental game.
The guy before the war, the guybefore the war was just going
to come out and whoop your assin about five, six, seven rounds
.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
Like with the sense point, he explained why he gave
up that prime.
No, no, no.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
But he just why he gave up that prime.
It isn't now.
He just came out and justwhipped ass and got him out of
there early he did.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
You want to know if that's fair.
He did come back and whoop assthis year, but that is.
But look at it, okay.
So look at it like this In thelast 10 years, am I wrong for
saying that there's been adrop-off?
You think?

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
I'm wrong In the last 10 years.

Speaker 5 (01:17:10):
Am I wrong for?

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
saying that there's been a drop-off.
You think I'm wrong the last 10years?

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
I don't think so it's in the music, because I think
that's why you got to go backand listen to man at the Garden,
because it's right there.
Like he's saying, with all thecriticism and stuff, he deserves
it all, like everything he'sgot he's earned it the right way
.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
It's in the music.
I'm not saying he hasn't earnedit.
I'm saying is this stuff asgreat as his greatest stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
He hasn't earned it the way you want him to earn it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
No, it has nothing to do with how I want him to earn
it.
It has to do with the music.
It's always about the music atthe end of the day, Because I
don't want this to become asituation where it becomes about
me and how I feel.
No, it's about the music andwhat I hear.
What I hear is you want to know?
Okay, so let's keep it real.
I'm going to tell you what.
How about this and this is whatI mean about it Creatively not

(01:17:59):
being the same.
It's like, oh no, the guy thatmade the nigga that made I Gave
you Power and there's nothingwrong with that, but I'm gonna
call it when I see it.
So let's go in and call itabout the guy that I got on the
top of my list.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
That's the problem, though, because I've never heard
you say anything negative aboutKD3 or any other KD series.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Honestly, he has said that I can, I can co-sign.
He says stuff like that yeah,but here's the thing when you
get compared to yourself though,Coop, that's when you reach
goat contention status.
When you not get compared tothe field anymore, you can
compare it to your former self.
That's goat contention.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Talking about how hard I am on him, am I not?
If I am judging him by thestandards by which I think he is
, because I did write an articleonce upon a time after he
released, damn, giving him top10 consideration, and this has
presently constituted, I do notknow, 15 mcs, all-time greater
than kendrick lamar.

(01:19:03):
That would put him in the, inthe one percent, less than one
percent, of the billions ofpeople who have ever, ever
rapped.
I just don't have them at like4, 5, 6, 7, like some other
people do.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
But you acted like I was crazy for putting them on my
top 10 though.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
No, it's crazy, to me it's crazy to me too, but hold
on hold on.
Let me finish.
If you want to say that today,that is more palatable to me
today after this battle, becausethat does check a big box this
year.
That was not in his repertoire.

(01:19:38):
He is not battle tested untilthis year, is that fair?
Yeah he won this battle, and hewon this battle for the most
part, even though I picked theother guy.
He won this battle in glowingfashion for the most part it was
closer to most people givecredit for it.
It wasn't just the most people,it wasn't just a win, it was a

(01:20:00):
victory that deserved a victory.
Laugh, it ain't too often youhave a victory like that.
I'm gonna check that box forhim.
This album is a dope ass album.
For this it's a top five album.
I'm going to give him that.
So if you want to have a topten conversation when I have him
firmly somewhere between 10 to15 without this project, that's
fine to do.

(01:20:20):
Today, I'm saying prior to it,don't tell me that shit.
And I literally have beensaying and, ag, shame on you for
not knowing this I've literallybeen saying no, let's wait and
see what the next project soundslike.
This is the next project we cantalk.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
You said that I did.

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
Real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
Glory is a reason to talk about his top 10 status.
You feel what I'm saying?
I love Squabble Up.
It is one of my five favoritesongs.
That's a reason to talk abouthis top 10 status.
Those records when he did hitthe mark on here and the album
is consistent enough.
The production is the weakestpart of this album to me.
I'm not going to hold thatagainst him, even though he did

(01:20:59):
the beat selection.
Obviously the repetitiveness ofsome of the beats not in love
with but as far as he isconcerned as an emcee and as far
as the execution overall.
If you want to have a top 10conversation now we can.
The only problem is that the guythat I have, at number 10, just
dropped the album the same dayas him, that's Ice Cube.
Look at how long Ice Cube'sbeen doing this shit and still

(01:21:21):
has a better catalog.
You want to have a conversation?

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
give us a conversation, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Ice Cube has a better overall catalog than Kendrick
Lamar, no way.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
No way.
I love Cube, but I can't saythat my thing is when I hear you
say oh, he's not as good as andthe level is not, et cetera, et
cetera.
Sometimes we got to and youknow you're a person again,
because you know I watch youCoop, you know you use a word

(01:21:58):
intention a lot.
Oh, it's intentional, it'sintentional, it's intentional,
kenny could have just cameoutside and gave us Mr Morale
again Straight creativity,supersonics, a lot of
dark-sounding elements, etc.
He could have just done itagain.
Right, but it's something to besaid as an artist and again,
I'm the Jay-Z fan here.

(01:22:20):
Part of what I loved about Jaywas he was aware of what was
going on in New York, even if hewas a nationwide act.
He knew what the temperaturewas in the city city and he
approached his music in a waythat reflected what was
happening in the city.
To your point.
Kenny never did that for LA,correct.

(01:22:40):
But then in a situation thatcomes about with the Canadian
and saying I get more love inthe city than you when Kenny is
10 toes down in LA, even if hedon't make the Sonics represent
his relationship, the Canadianis saying I get more love in the
city than you when Kenny is 10toes down in LA, even if he
don't make the Sonics representhis relationships.
He's like oh, if you want toplay that game again, coop, he's
a lot like you If you want toplay that game.

(01:23:00):
You want to play the Cali gameat any point, because I'm that
good I can wake up and make aCali slapper right now.
And that's what he did.
He didn't need to give youdynamic beat selection.
He made a.
He covered LA shit.
There's shit for Oakland LikePeekaboo's an Oakland record.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
He leaned into that sound.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
And to expand on that thought, my problem with some
of the things that Coop wassaying and a lot of Kendrick's
detractors, is that y'all notgoing to like him either.
Like y'all always going to findsomething to nitpick at,
because it's like if he's on hisself-righteous you know what I
mean Super conscious shit.
Y'all not going to like that.

(01:23:39):
You're going to be like, oh why, why is he talking?
Like you know, from thisself-righteous, you know high
horse or whatever, like that'sgoing to rub you the wrong way,
Right, but yeah, and then y'allbe saying like yo, he should
really do something more for thepeople and make something more
palatable, and that's what hedoes with this album, and y'all
find something to nitpick aboutthat too.
So it's like bro's never goingto win with y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Hold on, he's going to get.
He's going to get nitpickedabout his greatness, though
saying I do that with everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:24:06):
But Coop, that's the same thing that we get pissed
off about when we nitpick Nas.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Yes, thank you, and this is a point I was about Go
ahead, sean.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Hold on, hold on.
But I nitpick him too.
I've been the one up heresaying it all year.
I'm like man, I'm like, I'm afucking Nas preem, I'm dropping
nigga.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
But if a non-Nas fan has that same energy in the
direction of Nas, that the knobsare out Hold on hold on how.
About this?

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
though.

Speaker 5 (01:24:32):
I'm like yo get behind me.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Let's go.
So can I tell you something Idon't like about all of this?
A lot of my takes come from theperspective of being a fan of
his early on.
I was in Cali when Section 80dropped, like on the humble,
like within 60 days of itdropping.
No, I was in Cali when itdropped, like.

(01:24:54):
I can remember the feeling.
I can remember the buzz.
I can remember when he came toAtlanta to perform at the
Tabernacle before Good Kid MadCity even came out before Poetic
Justice dropped and I looked atmy boss with a straight face
and said I'm going to seeKendrick tonight, leaving your
ass right here.
It's like, who is that?
I said, don't worry about it.
He got next.
So I've been around and so I'mreally more speaking from the
perspective of somebody that wasthere when he was making

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records like she Needs Me and itwas getting played, when MTV
actually still played videoslike that.
I remember those times.
I remember that guy.
That's the guy that I'm drawnto and so, if you really want to
know the truth, the guy thatexists on to Pippa Butterfly,
sincere, like that sociallyconscious, aware guy, I can't
stand that nigga.
The nigga on here that's doingthe West Coast boogie shit.

(01:25:42):
This that's evolving.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
well, I don't mind the evolution and that's what we
talk about on hard part sixhold on.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
I think the pimple butterfly is a classic.
You're asking me if I like thatguy.
The answer is no.
You're asking me if I like themusic.
Sometimes ask me if I thinkit's great.
Well, yeah, because Iunderstand what it means and
what it represents and where hetook it with the album.
Is it my shit?
No, that's why I've been askinghim to make some cali shit,
which is actually my point.
Well, this album is goodbecause it actually satisfies

(01:26:12):
people like me, like theversions of him that exist on
here.
Oh, no, give me this guy.
Is actually my point.
Don't give me the guy on MrMorale.
Don't give me the guy on PimpleButterfly.
Give me the guy from Section 80.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
So you should be content with this project To
your point, Tim, because hold onone second.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Sim brought up a great point with the sound of
Self-Righteous or like.
You know what I'm saying whenhe's in that bag of conceptual
versus this album, which is morelike just vibes and you know
dope sonics and leaning into theWest Coast Because I was going
to ask this earlier.
And you know dope sonics andleaning into the west coast

(01:26:56):
because I was going to ask thisearlier and you you said sin.
That was another great pointthat he talked about this on
evolving past, like the blackhippie stuff.
You know I'm saying himself asan artist.
I think that's the reason whysongs like um watch the party
die didn't make the cut, becausethat's more in the vein of that
guy.
You know who makes the, you knowI'm saying the preachy,
self-righteous songs or whatever.
That song caused a lot of wavesin the industry but he didn't

(01:27:17):
put it just like we talked about.
He didn't put the diss trackson this record.
He didn't put watch the partydie on this record because that
leans more into that aesthetic.
He went for a totally differentaesthetic with this record and
that's what I appreciate hey,can I say something right quick,
because I just had an epiphanyabout something.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Jarb, I see you, jarb , fight, take next.
You don't get to take everybodywith you all the time.
I'm bringing up, she needs me.
I'm bringing up section 80.
I'm bringing up good kid, madcity.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
It's because oh no, I'm a early on fan.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
everybody doesn't come with you all the time for
the full journey, though, though, and sometimes people have
critiques along the way.
Do y'all like let's bring itback to somebody legendary from
the West who just dropped thealbum?
Do y'all remember how somepeople responded when Ice Cube
made we Be Clubbin'?

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Right, I remember.

Speaker 4 (01:28:03):
I like that song though.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
But I remember the backlash.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Right.
First of all, I still thinkthat record's a banger and I
love that record.
I'm one of the people that camewith Cube.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
And it was for the player club soundtrack.
It was like.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
It was appropriate For the longevity of his career
AG, that social commentary thathe was given, like with
America's Most Wanted, with 3Ksand 90-91, that's not the
climate in 95 96.
Right, you had to adjust to thetimes.
Everybody doesn't come with you.
So some of my squabbles withkendrick pun intended is about
me being one of those people.
It's like oh no, I prefer theformer version more than the

(01:28:40):
latter.
I do see more of the formerversion of this album.
That makes me a bigger fan ofthis album.
I said I gave it three fivesand three four point fives out
of 12 records.
That means I think half of thisalbum is.
I said I gave it three fivesand three 4.5s out of 12 records
.
That means I think half of thisalbum is fucking brilliant for
the most part.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
I guess my question is if you have those feelings
that you just spoke about, aboutTo Pimp a Butterfly and about
Mr Morale why is your tone nothappier about this project?
What I was hearing before wasoh, he doesn't have the creative

(01:29:17):
prowess that he had with a MrMorale or a To Pimp a Butterfly
or a Dan.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
So it's like you're still finding something to he's
fighting the fans instead of youknow he's fighting Kendrick.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
He's finding something to shit on him about.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
I don't think he's shitting on Kendrick.
I think he's trying to rightthe shit from the fans over
exaggerating Kendrick'sgreatness.
So Cook feels like it's on hisshoulders to like swing the
pendulum far in the otherdirection to bring a balance.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
So, sin, here's where you and I defer.
The only thing that I likeabout Mr Morale is the writing.
I think the rest of it is nogood.
I think To Pimp a Butterflyeven though it's not the type of
hip-hop that I normally listento, I think that album is a
masterclass on a few levels,about a few things, and what I'm
saying is that the guy thatmade to pimp a butterfly can't

(01:30:08):
make a master class of an albumlike that anymore, and mr morale
is the proof to that for me,and so once I know that you
can't execute that again, it'slike well, no, give me this
instead.
That's why I've been asking forthe west coast shit.
If this is the level that heexists at, I actually think that
this is a 4.25 guys do youthink that he came close to

(01:30:29):
executing damn?

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
because I think damn is his most versatile record.
It's my son's favorite recordby him.
You know I'm saying because youknow he's, he's 17 and I think
this is another easy listening,versatile record in the vein of
damn.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
I don't think it's as good, but to me it accomplishes
the same thing so I put thisalbum rating wise closer to
section 80 because I think damnis better, because, even though
this album does a lot of thesame things as damn, damn has
more classic songs.
In my opinion.
I do think Duckworth is betterthan Gloria.
That's my favorite.
I do think love is better thanLuther.

(01:31:02):
I think element and feel rhymewise is a level that doesn't get
touched on this album outsideof maybe, that third verse.
I'm not a big fan of fear, likeeverybody else, but it is one
of the better joints on there,so I would put this under damn
somewhere right next to section80.
And section 80 was somethingwhere it's like well, you saw

(01:31:25):
flashes of the brilliance thatwas to come, and I'm just saying
I think we're on the other sideof the spectrum, like we got
the brilliance in spades withGood Kid Mad City to Pimp a
Butterfly and Damn.
No matter which album is yourfavorite, no matter how you feel
about it, those albums hit themark consistently song-wise,
theme-wise, cultural-wise,impact-wise, theme wise,

(01:31:51):
cultural wise, impact wise.
This album's closer to section80 in the fact that it's like oh
no, you can see that the guy isthe shit, but it's more the
flashes of the talent and spurtsof it than it being as
consistently great as thosethree projects.
Mr morale is beneath all ofthem, in my opinion okay.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Well, this is not just a question for you, coop,
it's a question for everybody.
So if, with the exception ofseeing, if we're all in
agreement, that Mr Morale is hisworst effort, does Kendrick,
with this album included, have atop ten discography of all time
?
I say yes.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
No, he's got six albums.
How can you say that?

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
Anybody else want to ask?

Speaker 4 (01:32:22):
If you think about Section 80, good kid, Even if I
don't like To Pimp a Butterflyfor my own preference purposes'm
with you, it's up there it's inthe lexicon of rap.
We gotta call it what it is.
Then you come back with dan,which was a monster.
It was what it was.
You still have.
Was it untitled, that jointthat everyone?

(01:32:42):
Titled all right, you couldcome back with mr morale again.
A 3.5 from kenny.
It's a five for thousands ofother rappers oh, so, so, so.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
So I have a question.
I actually have a few questions, because I like to look at this
album from a few perspectives.
The way that I rated this album.
I rated this album from theperspective of him being an
all-time great mc.
Has in a top 15 to 20 MCall-time.
In my opinion Actually, I'msorry, a top 10 to 15 MC
all-time.
I want to be careful about whatI'm saying.

(01:33:15):
When we had this talk earlierthis year, after the battle was
settled, the conversation was ohwell, cooper, where do you have
him?
It's like oh no, I can slidehim comfortably somewhere
between 10 to 15.
I'm just partial to guys likeghostface, scarface and cube and
I still think that all of thoseguys have better catalogs than
him.
And that's my whole thing, Ithink what we saw is with the

(01:33:36):
butterfly hold on jarb realquick.
The five-year break is aboutpassing scarface and ice cube
and ghostface, like those guys.
If he doesn't take the break, Ithink I have him ahead of those
guys and he is somewhere likefive, six, seven.

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
I think he's on his way.
I think what we, what we sawwith Mr Morales and the big step
is that, was him getting backin shape.
You know you take a five yeargap.
That won the sound exchangewhen he left in 2017, 2018.
What rap sound like didn'tsound like that anymore and he
had certain elements.
Whether Sin wants to agree ornot, there were certain elements
of the previous sound that hewas trying to bring in with what

(01:34:15):
was happening when that albumdropped.
I think he's fully entrenchedin hip-hop right now, especially
in his city.
I think he's fully back inshape.
I think the best thing thathappened to him was one us as a
culture mostly saying this albumain't it, and then people
getting comfortable, like Colejumping out the window to say
this album ain't it.
Then Aubrey telling him to drop.
Aubrey was playing in his face.

(01:34:35):
That is.
The true story of this battlewas that Aubrey did not take
Kenny seriously.

Speaker 5 (01:34:39):
And he found out.
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:34:42):
Absolutely Same thing happened to Jay.

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
Same thing happened to Jay.

Speaker 4 (01:34:45):
Alright, but I think Kenny is back in shape now.
I thing happened to Jay Alright, but I think Kenny is back in
shape now.
I think this project right hereis the perfect situation of a
rapper who got his legs backunder him.
He understands what's expectedof him, he has a city on his
back and I think even the nextproject, I think whatever he
gives us next is going to be theconversation where we're like
oh shit, this is the album.

(01:35:07):
I think you know how we all yousaw what KD3 did to us in
unison.
I think the next album that'sgoing to be the one where we're
like oh, he's wild.

Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
But it looks like it's right around the corner
because he did that teaser withthat song.
That's not even on here.

Speaker 4 (01:35:20):
He's in shape now.
He wasn't in shape before, buthe's back in shape now.

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
Do y'all agree I don't know if y'all was on here
in the chat, but with the pointI made earlier, what J Cole did
on Might Delete later lyricallywas better than what Kendrick's
doing here, but this album isoverall better.
Right there it is, if thatmakes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
There it is Well, yeah, because Hold on, hold on,
cole can't make these records.
That's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
Like there's levels, there's levels to the that's the
feeling of the records.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
Like the catalog of styles that you can pull from.
Cole got maybe two, threestyles.
Kenny will have five, six,seven styles.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
He's showcasing wild styles.
On this album Kenny's got morestyles and I don't know, sin, if
you heard some of my late notesActually I don't know what part
y'all heard, but I read mynotes on Glory and I read that
vocally.
I was super impressed with himon this entire performance
outside of reincarnating Vocally.
Sometimes I don't always agreewith some of the stuff that he
does and tries.
I feel like he hit the markvocally on this album.

(01:36:30):
Style-wise, he's always hadcold beat.
Can I ask you all something andI know this because I'm from
Charlotte, my family's fromCharlotte, even though I was
raised mostly in Atlanta and Iobviously spent time in
Charlotte as well.
Do you think Kenny's ability toget in multiple bags has
something to do that he comesfrom a hip-hop culture and

(01:36:50):
climate from Compton, californiathat allows him to jump in a
bag like this?
Like I say this respectfullyabout my home state, north
Carolina doesn't have much of abag you want.
North Carolina has a bunch ofniggas from Queens and Brooklyn
that moved to North Carolina andmade it kind of east coastish.
I I say that from knowing itwell.
Does Cole suffer from where hecomes from, as opposed to

(01:37:12):
Kendrick in terms of being ableto craft out a style, because
I've been asking Kendrick tomake a West Coast album like
this, because I don't feel likehe's made one since Good Kid Mad
City, but also because I'vebeen to Cali, I know what the
climate sounds like.
I like what the climate soundslike.
I like what the climate soundslike.
I like the shit that they rideto.
I feel that shit I always have.
Does Cole suffer from thatStylistically?

(01:37:35):
Is he losing some of thisbecause of where he's from?

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
No, I think he's just not a killer.
We got to stop findingqualifiers.
He's not a killer.
Heart don't got region.
Either it's in you or it's notin you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
I think what Coop is asking more so is like the rhyme
styles, the variety of styles,I don't know.
I think I might agree with Coopon that point.

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
It's hard to agree with Coop I hate it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
It's like a nigga.
First of all, that's the firsttime Sins ever said that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
Like a nigga twisting your arm and shit.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
I don't think that you need to be time stamping.
Y'all gotta time stamp it I amtime stamping that Sins.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
That's the first time Sins ever said that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:19):
Hey, I just feel like he don't need to have multiple
bags.
If you good at what you do, youdon't need to be that much
dexterous.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
Oh, we can't say that when we value big way.
Too much for you to say that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:32):
Hit me out, because at the point of Mike Deleete
later, the conversationsurrounding J Cole was where
exactly he landed, as far as one, two or three and in a lot of
conversations at the moment ofhe was number one.
And he didn't do that with abunch of bags.
He did it doing what he did.
If he was hitting you withelbow pull-ups, it was elbow

(01:38:52):
pull-up from the left side,elbow pull-up from the right
side.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
He stayed in the middle house.

Speaker 4 (01:38:57):
If I feel good, I'm going to shoot the three.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
That's the thing.
That's the difference between aKobe and a Tim Duncan.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
What I'm saying is Hold on, I got something for you
.
Here's why I'm wildly fairabout all this.
When you're talking about Coleascending to that position, I
have been sitting in here inthis chair saying, nah, this
mission is not complete untilyou drop an album that reflects
all these verses.

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
I've been hard on him .
It don't matter now, Pooh.
He gave up his position.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
I've been saying it on this show all year I'm like
this nigga better make an albumthat's what I was trying to get
to.
Adriel, like I know what youlook like in 16, 24, and 30.

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
But Cole didn't lose his spot because he didn't have
a bag.
He lost his spot because he hadno heart bro.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
He gave it up.
If he dropped two in a row, itdon't matter.
No, listen to what I'm saying.
That's what I feel about.
I get worked up about.

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
Listen to what I'm saying no.
I think y'all are missing whatI'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
I'm saying I'm being hard on Kenny.
It's like, well, I've been hardon Cole too, because why
everybody?
Been looking around saying he'sthe hardest nigga, he's the
best nigga.
I've been the nigga sittingover here saying where is the
fucking album that reflects allof this lyrical talent that
everybody is glorifying?
Because doing it in 16, 24, and32, and 48 is fucking fine.

(01:40:06):
You don't think Mike DeLito wasa step towards that?
No, because this shit soundsbetter, even for the critiques
that I'm giving.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
He's talking about the fall off.

Speaker 4 (01:40:15):
Even the fall off.
I feel like Mike DeLito, wasgetting towards the fall off.

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
But I don't care how good the fall off is, he's not
going to leapfrog Drake orKendrick at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
Here's the problem GNX is probably Kendrick's
fourth or fifth best album, andit's better than everything that
Cole has made, in my opinion,except for Born Center and
Forest Hills Drive.
And that's the fucking problem.
Am I right about that?

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
Do you agree on?

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
that?
That that's the real fuckingproblem here.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
Yo Sid.
I want to know where you rankthese albums from Kendrick.
You're the biggest Kendrick fanhere.
Where would you put GNX in hisdiscography?

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
For that y'all will have to tune in tomorrow.
I'm sure we're going tocontinue talking about this on
our lives and I got to thinkabout, I got to think on it a
little bit.
You know a little bit harder ofcourse, and yeah, but tune in
tomorrow, Sin?

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
where do you have Kendrick all time?
Where is he for you?

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
Now pretty easily top five for me.

Speaker 4 (01:41:21):
Top five.
What Top?

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
five.
Hold on hold on.
Hold on hold on.

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
I got him at 10 solid .

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
Who's ahead of him in your?

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
opinion.
I got him at 10 solid.
Who's ahead of him in youropinion?
Biggie?

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
Nas Jay and who's the fourth person?

Speaker 3 (01:41:39):
Rakim no, no, no Ghost.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
Biggie Nas Jay Scarface.

Speaker 4 (01:41:44):
You sure Ghost is ahead of him.

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
How did I just forget my top five?

Speaker 4 (01:41:49):
Who do I?

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
have.

Speaker 5 (01:41:50):
Okay, hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
So me personally it's Big Nas J Common.

Speaker 4 (01:41:58):
Common Tom.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
And Kendrick.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
So you got Big as the goat.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
Hold on, I don't know , it's tough.
It's tough, he's the best.

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
I get what you're saying, Sam.
He's the best MC we've allheard in a vacuum.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:42:14):
So in my personal top five four I got.
Common.
This guy loves Common bro.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
I had Common and Ghostface in my top five.

Speaker 3 (01:42:21):
Okay, so the Auditorium, or GNX.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
Well, here's the thing, gnx, I was talking about.
Hold on, hold on.
Answer that question, son.
Hold on, hold on, I'll getthere.
But I've been talking to thesefellas all year about somebody's
going to have to like, sinceKendrick has been running 2024,
somebody will have to move outof my top five and it was going
to be Common or Ghostface.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
And based on the albums Ghost drop this year.

Speaker 2 (01:42:48):
It had to be Ghostface and it hurt me.
It hurt me.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
Sean should have a tear on that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
Come on, I have to move him out.

Speaker 1 (01:42:57):
I'm sorry you got Calm at four.
I love Calm.
I have Kendrick ahead of Common.
Matter of fact, when I did mylist earlier this year, I slid
Kendrick and Common right nextto each other, but outside of
the 10.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Common to me just embodies, bars, lyricism, just
the B-boy energy battles.
He went at it with Q, he beat Q.
He went at it with Drake.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
He lost out.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
What are your five favorite Common albums?

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
What are Common's five best albums to you, in
order?

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
B and Like Water for Chocolate One and two.
Those can interchange.
One and two.
One A, one B.
Find it Forever Big fan.
That's my number three.
What's this?
One One Day.

Speaker 1 (01:43:47):
It'll All Make Sense.
That's my number three.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
Um, uh, what's this one?
Uh, one day it'll all makesense.
And of course, uh, you know, umresurrection, resurrection.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
Yeah.
I got the same five but youdidn't answer the question
auditorium or GNX?
What do you got?

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
Uh, y'all going to have to tune into Y'all going to
have to tune in to.

Speaker 4 (01:44:08):
Nah, don't do that, because you know you ain't
answering that question on yourown, I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:44:13):
Listen, GNX just dropped two days ago.

Speaker 4 (01:44:15):
bro, I can't answer that, yet I got to live with it.
I got to live with it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
I got to live with it .
If I'm being honest, right nowit's still the auditorium.

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
There you go, because GNX just came out two days ago,
but let me live with it for alittle bit longer, you trying to
plug people over to your live,knowing you ain't going to say
shit about Common tomorrow?

Speaker 5 (01:44:37):
He's from Brooklyn, right, he's from Manhattan.

Speaker 3 (01:44:41):
I asked that question , not Jarv.
You know Jarv ain't going tobring up Common tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:44:45):
He's from Harlem.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
Yeah, oh, makes sense .
I mean, that was going to bethe topic tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:44:53):
You're touching the auditorium, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
Year end.
We are going to be talkingabout albums of the year next
month, kenny ain't going to bein that list for me.

Speaker 3 (01:45:03):
John hold his feet to the fire for us, you know.
So he'll answer that question.

Speaker 1 (01:45:08):
Have y'all rated this album?
Because y'all went liveyesterday, I started catching
some of the episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
That was a pretty rough reaction.

Speaker 4 (01:45:16):
More of a reaction than a rating, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:45:19):
I didn't get too far into it.
I'm more into breaking it down.
But I'll tell y'all right nowspoiler it ain't going to be on
my album of the year list.
It's good, it's really good.

Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
How come, when I say it's good, it's not okay, but
when you say it's?

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
good, it's not okay.

Speaker 5 (01:45:37):
I don't like your tone when you say it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
I don't like your tone Do the other fellas like it
?
Does Deenie and Mase like it?

Speaker 4 (01:45:45):
Universally.
We all rock with the album.
I personally I got Schoolboystill as my album of the year.
I think that Gibbs has made bigleaps with his project.
I think Stabbed and Shot 2 isup there for me as well.
That's the New York bias in me.
I feel like more people need tolisten to Stabbed and Shot 2.
But GNX is up there, but I gotalbums ahead of it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
I got Gibbs and Rhapsody ahead of this Kendrick
person.

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
You got the future Metro album.
We Don't Trust you.
Ahead of this album, nah.

Speaker 4 (01:46:17):
Okay, nah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
But you got Blue Lips ahead.
Love Blue Lips, I got Blue Lips.

Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
Cali is running this year Coop.
They really are.

Speaker 4 (01:46:25):
I think Blue Lips is jarring for some people, but
because I've been followingSchoolboy, I think this was the
natural progression for hiscareer.
Bro, I think this album is asonical adventure.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
Let's call it what it is Jorv is a low-key, closeted
Schoolboy.
Q stan no.

Speaker 1 (01:46:41):
Q's my favorite guy.
He can't do no wrong, no no, no, Q's my favorite guy from the
crew.
I just don't think he's as goodas Crash Talk, Blankface or Oxy
.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
Moron it's clear it's Crash Talk.
I probably like it better thanCrash Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
I like how it was highlighted on Hard Part 6 about
Q not even wanting to rap atfirst.
That was.

Speaker 4 (01:47:03):
Hold on, Hold on.
Real quick Crash Talk gotrecorded in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
It has an Atlanta sound, so I can see why I might
gravitate to it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Y'all do.
That's how.

Speaker 4 (01:47:15):
Lil Baby ended up on water and all that.
I got a lot of.
I love TI, I love Future.
I don't have no issues withAtlanta.
I like to poke the bed.
When Atlanta get to talkingabout New York, then New Yorker
gotta talk about Atlanta.
That's all Yo cool.

Speaker 5 (01:47:32):
Number one, right now too.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
You need to watch your tone.
Stop bringing up that glow shit.
And I like goals album.
I'm not changing my take onthat, Sean.
It's a good album of the year.

Speaker 5 (01:47:47):
You said it was a contender.
You said it was a contender.

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
It was a contender at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:47:52):
I mean, who else is in the ring for Memphis?
Who else dropped fire fromMemphis on that caliber?

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
Thank you, that was my whole point.
This is the best album you'regoing to get out of Memphis.
She sounds Memphis.
This is a lot of bull.
No, no, you don't respectMemphis in this climate man.

Speaker 3 (01:48:06):
You didn't say this is the best album out of Memphis
.
You said this is the best albumof the year.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
No, I did not.
You know, whenever Coop saysomething, it sounds like some
80s shit Hold the tape.

Speaker 4 (01:48:15):
That's from Harlem.
That's why I'm like yo, youshow you this and you ain't go
to Harlem, bro, you a Harlemnigga Coop.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
I do love.

Speaker 4 (01:48:20):
Dame, I love Dame, that I love Dame.

Speaker 3 (01:48:23):
This is the best you're going to get out of.

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
Memphis.
I love Dame, I love Big L, Ilove Cam.
Children of the Corn.
There you go.
I used to run with all them,bad boy niggas from Uptown

(01:48:48):
robbing all his people, yeah,rip.

Speaker 1 (01:48:48):
Robbins RIP.
We're going to tune in tomorrowto see how y'all are actually
rating the album.
Y'all rating the album tomorrow.
What are y'all doing tomorrow?
Tell us.

Speaker 4 (01:48:56):
We're going to break it down, kind of similar to what
you guys did today, as far asbreaking it down Really before,
now that we've had time tolisten to it, like, all right,
let's parse the numbers now.
Let's get our analytics going.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
Hold on, jarv.
Let me ask you something,because you appear to be more on
the critical side of this album, even though you're saying that
it's good, don't try to lumpthem in with you, coop.

Speaker 3 (01:49:16):
Don't do this.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
First of all, ag, nobody asked you.
That's why this question is forJarv, who tried to find allies.
No, no, did find it to get morebrilliant progressively with
each one.
What do you all feel about that?

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
Because by the time I got to the third listen I was
like oh OK, we got somethinghere.
Kind of the same and I'll yeah,I'll get more into this, this
conversation, tomorrow probably.
But after several listens, likenow, I know you have to know
where an artist is going and onfirst listen if you don't know

(01:49:54):
exactly where he's going andhe's not going to a place that
you expect him to go, it's alittle jarring at first.
But now when I know, oh, thisis what he's going for, this is
the sound and the vibe and theenergy he's going for, he's
putting on for Cali, I consumeit, but I consume it in a
different way.

Speaker 4 (01:50:13):
Here's what I'll say.

Speaker 1 (01:50:15):
Hold on real quick, jarv.
But as somebody who critiquesmusic, do you dock for that?
For me, part of why I loveEquipment I buy Outkast is
because I feel like they do awonderful job on that album of
immediately pulling you intotheir world and never letting
you out.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
Well, well, here's the thing.
And again, you're going to hatethis, but like that was me.
The first time I heard Mr Murad, like I was immediately in that
world, I was immediately in inwhatever he was going through, I
was immediately there, and theway that he gave you the journey
through that, I was there forthe entire ride.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
Sin, I never thought I would say this.
I want to hear Jarv talk.

Speaker 4 (01:50:56):
Why do you sanction that album, bro?
I just don't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
I don't get it either .

Speaker 3 (01:51:03):
Like Sin, we don't agree on a lot of shit If you've
been to the live show I was atthe live show it makes me
appreciate that album more.

Speaker 1 (01:51:09):
I have so much trouble understanding because I
know that your ear is solid.
I know you got a dope rap ear.

Speaker 4 (01:51:15):
I know you know your shit, yeah, but he's not to be
trusted when Kendrick is thetopic.
I've been saying it for yearsnow.

Speaker 3 (01:51:22):
I think it was Kendrick's worst, but going to
the live show made me appreciatethe album more.

Speaker 4 (01:51:27):
That's fair.
I mean the live soundings willchange it.
The energy, the emotions heputs into it, I can understand.

Speaker 1 (01:51:33):
Nobody care about all that when you got to ride
around to it in your car firstthough Nah it never passed the
car test.

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
It's a therapy album.
It's not meant to be played inthe whip.
Hold on real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
Everything doesn't need a car test.

Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
And everything doesn't need a car test.
Hold on, that's a couch album.
It's a therapy album.

Speaker 1 (01:51:52):
Hold on Stan, I promise.
I'm going to drop it after this.
I was interviewing Chris theGlove Taylor when that album was
out and he was in Cali in LA.
I asked him if they wereplaying that album in LA.
He was like I haven't heardanything.

Speaker 3 (01:52:07):
So to that point, Coop, everybody in Cali is
playing G and X right now.

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
Exactly, and that's what I'm saying.
That's exactly what I'm sayingso, I was right.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
So you're telling me I was right.

Speaker 4 (01:52:17):
Okay, great.
Who's going to play?
We Cry Together in public.
Who's?

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
going to play.
We Cry Together in public.

Speaker 4 (01:52:22):
Who still plays?
We Cry Together right now.
Who's going to play Worldwide?

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
Steppers in public.
That's not a joint.
You play on the block.
You don't play that in a car.
You don't play that in thestreets.
Come on, bro, it doesn't.
But everything doesn't have tobe for the same place all the
time.
I understand that there's stuffthat can have a different place
, and if it's not places thaty'all be at or y'all want to go,

(01:52:47):
then that's fine you know whatI mean, but if y'all don't allow
, y'all mind to go to whereKendrick went to.
On that album.

Speaker 4 (01:52:54):
That's a new problem.
You don't get to judge peoplebecause they don't like a mint
album.
It was a three and a half bro.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
I'm not saying, I'm not judging.

Speaker 2 (01:53:05):
Three and a half is a fair rate, but I feel like
y'all judging me for liking itand I'm just saying y'all, I was
judging you for not being animpartial judge.
It's not.
There's nothing wrong with mybeing impartial or impartial.
That's not the issue.
The issue is that I was on thewavelength of this album and
y'all weren't, and y'all gonnatake that as Y'all gonna take

(01:53:25):
that as some type of what isthis dismissiveness?

Speaker 4 (01:53:28):
It's not dismissive.
I was on the wave, so you wason some mid shit.
You was smoking red shit.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
Yo, I gave it a three and a half too, and my homie
told me I was being way toogenerous.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
I was like so you got Big Nas J, common Kendrick
Ghostface.
Where do you have Rakim KRS-One?
Cool G Rapping King, commonKendrick Ghostface.
Where do you have Rakim KRS-One?

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
Cool G Rap and Kane New York.

Speaker 3 (01:53:55):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
I'd have to watch it out they probably got Andre 3000
in there somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:54:00):
He's got three seconds, or any of those guys in
your top ten.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
Rakim is definitely in my top ten, possibly G-Rap,
but he wasn't as impactful asRakim was.
No, yeah, but I mean you'rekind of putting me on the spot,
right now, I'm just asking.

Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
You're not talking about top 10s.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
I didn't have a list ready for you, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
Crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
I'm trying to get the spotlight off him, Sid he
making it hot for you, hold onit.
I'm trying to get the spotlightoff him.
Sid he making it hot for you,hold on, it's a diversion.

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
AG, AG, AG.
Stop saying that.
When I rank the album higherthan you did, I gave it a 4.25.

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
Of course you're going to try to save yourself
and say, matter of fact, Ihaven't gave my rating.
It's higher than these guys.

Speaker 4 (01:54:43):
I rated all the songs you rated it like you wanted it
to be trash, like fuck.
This song is good, damn.
This song is good too.
God damn this song is stillgood.

Speaker 1 (01:54:51):
So I tell you what, when I got through with the
third track, I was like, oh no,I was like I'm not going to be
able to talk no shit about thisalbum because these first three
songs are bangers.

Speaker 3 (01:55:01):
That's exactly how I felt, and for the record Coop
and for the record Coop you'reon wax the meat of the garden
hey Coop for the record, you'reon wax at your formal place
saying that Mr Morale was a four.
It's on wax.

Speaker 1 (01:55:18):
I said I'll give it a four about the writing.
I said, but I don't feel likeit's a four.
I said if I was rating it forme I'd give it a three.
I remember what I said, sofinish my comment if you're
going to recite me, sir, A fouris a four, Nice try.

Speaker 3 (01:55:32):
He gave me caveats.

Speaker 1 (01:55:33):
No, no, no.
Me and Mike decided on a four.
Go check the comments.
I said for me personally, Isaid I think it's a three.
I remember what I said.
Nice try though.

Speaker 3 (01:55:45):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
We'll check it.
Go check the tape.
We'll check it out.
Don't check the tape.
Don't check the tape.
I very vividly remember thewords that came out of my mouth,
unless you want to tell me, youremember me better than me.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
Okay, we'll see.
Hey, we can put some money up.

Speaker 5 (01:55:59):
Yeah, you said Mike's going to get into a four.

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
I got 500 on that.
I got 500 on that.
Right now you taking the bet.

Speaker 3 (01:56:05):
We can.
We can put somebody on it.
You gave it a 3 for yourofficial rating 500 now, 500
right now.
Take a lead nah, cause yougonna try to get it.
On a caveat you said it was a 3for your official rating.
That's what you said it was.

Speaker 1 (01:56:19):
I said when me and Mike talked about it, I said for
me personally, I think it's a 3.
I said, but the writing is sosupreme.
I said if you want to say thatit's a 4, we we can give it a
four.
I said I think it's a three,okay.

Speaker 3 (01:56:34):
But you gave it a four.
You agree the?

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
hip-hop gave it a four, sir, as you can tell.

Speaker 3 (01:56:41):
Who be trying to get you on semantics and shit.

Speaker 1 (01:56:43):
First of all, shout out to Jarvis for warping the
court in the hip-hop's ass andthe numbers.

Speaker 5 (01:56:50):
That's nasty, you don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:56:52):
I'm off papers tomorrow baby, Let freedom ring.

Speaker 4 (01:56:54):
Nigga Mad Max in the chat.
You know he with that jerseynow.

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
So you know he's going to go run.
Tell that, trust me.
We be seeing him going playingball and scoring three points.

Speaker 4 (01:57:05):
Three points.
You think he dropping 40, but Idigress.

Speaker 1 (01:57:08):
Max, I love you gang.

Speaker 3 (01:57:09):
He might be drinking a 40, he might be drinking a 40,
but that's not a big deal.
Yo shout out to Max.
Max came through with about 100in Super Chat, so I'm good with
Max.

Speaker 4 (01:57:16):
Max get me tight, but I could never really talk too
bad about it because he put hismoney where his mouth is.
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:57:21):
I mean, you want to know what you and I will always
give him credit for being asupporter of the cause of
hip-hop and supporting all ofeverything that we do
independently, without anybodyelse's help.
So I will give him that.
And he don't know shit aboutRap Jar.
He know way, way less than us.
He don't know shit.

Speaker 4 (01:57:39):
Well listen, I'd rather him be a regular than
another guy who's crashing out.
But yeah, y'all can get me totalk in the night, but you know.

Speaker 1 (01:57:44):
Don't even do that, don't even do that You're not
the people to crash down.

Speaker 4 (01:57:49):
I'm sorry, Yo, Sid.
We seen the clip.
I got to send it to you.
It's mad funny.
But this project right here, Ithink Kenny's in position to
really make every person,including Coop, who questioned
him, look real sideways abouttheir five and maybe even their
top threes.

Speaker 1 (01:58:07):
Can I tell you something?
I am of some of the train ofthought that you have Jarv.
I am afraid about what the nextalbum will sound like if he
will release it in some sort ofreasonable time frame it's in
the next six to nine monthsbecause he's definitely in shape
.
He just won a battle.
He just dropped a high-qualityalbum that is one of the five
best albums this year in myopinion.

(01:58:29):
So he is prime.
It does make me have to stop.
I'm gonna have to look at theback end of my top 10 where
ghostface, scarface and ice cubereside and take a look.
If he drops a project that iscomparable to this and or better
in my opinion and, like I said,if you want to have a
conversation right now, I'llstill take ice cubes early, run

(01:58:49):
over everything that he's donebecause he is responsible for
Straight Outta Compton.

Speaker 4 (01:58:54):
Ice Cube's early run over Kenny right now.
No, no, no I'm talking overallOK.

Speaker 3 (01:58:59):
Classics for classics , I think is what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:59:01):
Straight Outta Compton is more important than
everything Kenny's made.
Some of that is about beingthere first, and I understand
that.
But Straight Outta Compton ismore important.
I think America's Most In-DepthCertificate are on par with
Good Kid Mad City and To Pimp aButterfly, and I think Kill that
Will is better than Damn.
That's me personally.

Speaker 4 (01:59:23):
I think GNX is going to be a very important album.
I think it's still very early,but I think this is going to be
a checkpoint album in theconversation of his career.

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
GNX makes it conversational with Ice Cube is
what I'm saying.
It's like I got Cube at 10.
If you're telling me he'sshit-looking like Cube, you know
what I'm saying.
Ice Cube is also still droppingmusic.
Even though his album is not asgood as this GNX, it is a
pretty good effort for somebodythat's been in the game as long
as he has.

Speaker 3 (01:59:51):
I told Sean I'm going to say this on air but I'm
going to go ahead anyway.
But I just didn't want to drawcertain comparisons or whatever.
But take this with just aslight grain of salt.
Like I said, for me, this albumremember when Nas dropped the
surprise magic on Christmas Eve?
And then on Ugly he said KD3 onthe way is just to feed the
buzz.
I really feel like that's thesentiment of this album.

(02:00:13):
Let me get a surprise drop,feed the people and then
whatever comes next is going tobe KD3-ish, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (02:00:21):
First of all, I don't think that's happening, but I'm
a hater.

Speaker 5 (02:00:24):
according to UAG, but I do want to address something.

Speaker 1 (02:00:27):
I do not like some of the tone, and this is something
I did dock a little bit.
I do not like how he is tryingto talk on here like he is some
sort of underdog.
When he starts off this album,my only nod is congratulating me
.
It's like first of all, nigga,I was there from the jump.
People have been congratulatingyou since you walked in the
fucking door.
Don't do that in year 15.
Stop acting like people.

Speaker 3 (02:00:46):
Even Jay, has acted like an underdog at some point
AG.

Speaker 1 (02:00:49):
Let me finish if you don't mind go ahead.

Speaker 4 (02:00:51):
We know that everybody don't matter.

Speaker 1 (02:00:54):
He needs to stop acting like people no, he been
getting congratulations andsalutations for the last 15
years straight without a fuckingbreak.
He don't need to play nounderdog.
No, I was the only person tocongratulate.
Stop that shit, nigga.
You know what that?

Speaker 3 (02:01:10):
That's like that bullshit, lauren.

Speaker 1 (02:01:11):
You know what that is .
That's like that shit, lauren.
Kicked on nobody.

Speaker 4 (02:01:14):
I'm saving the world.
Because I'm talking about mylate.

Speaker 3 (02:01:16):
We talking about you being late because you were in a
but that was a true statement,though he was the only person
who thanked him publicly or toJordan and I took it personally

(02:01:39):
you know, I mean like sometimesyou got to create that edge for
yourself.

Speaker 1 (02:01:41):
That's what was jay doing on the blueprint, you know
.
I mean hold on, he was actinglike the underdog, hold on sin.
I said in my notes when I wastalking to ag about man at the
garden.
I said no, he is, he has.
I do not think he's the goat,but he has a competitive fire
like he is the greatest of alltime, and I do acknowledge that
and I put that in my notes and Isaid it live tonight.
So I'm not trying to take thataway from him.
He does have.
He does have.
I don't think he's the goat, Idon't think he's top five.

(02:02:02):
He does that have that level ofcompetitive fervor and fire and
I think the battle that he wonthis year is the prime example
of it in terms of his ability toshowcase that, because I never
believed no boogeyman shit untilhe just did what he did.
I'm like boogeyman, I'm likenigga.
Please, you ain't never boogiedon nobody.

Speaker 4 (02:02:19):
But, he got that.

Speaker 2 (02:02:21):
I got a slide, so maybe I'm not the one that
shouldn't be trusted about.

Speaker 4 (02:02:26):
Kendrick, maybe it's y'all.
I couldn't see it ahead of time.

Speaker 3 (02:02:29):
Equally not trustable .

Speaker 4 (02:02:31):
We can't trust you either, Stan.
When it comes to Kenny, Ihaven't been wrong about Kenny,
yet Kenny does all the things we, like.
You said, mr.

Speaker 1 (02:02:39):
Moreno was good.

Speaker 3 (02:02:41):
I hear what you're saying Jarv, he checks all the
boxes.
I got him at 10.
I think he's getting to theplace where he's almost not even
debatable in top 10 status.
I have him at 10, but I'm goingto reevaluate my back half of
that 10, because the only thingthat holds him back is his voice
for me.
Every other rapper on my listgot a better voice.

Speaker 4 (02:03:02):
Let's go back to control.
As far as being an MC hold on,hear me out as far as being an
MC coming out beat-up saying I'mhim.
We love that type of shit, thestraight, the beat-up freestyle.
He called Aubrey out in thefreestyle.
He did the rapper thing.

(02:03:23):
The 10 years of distance thatthey traded with one another,
kenny.
At every point of Kenny'scareer, whether I like his music
or not, I have to acknowledgethat he does the things that we
like.
So it's like now when he'sdeciding to really lean into the
shit that we like, we want tostart nitpicking how good he is.

(02:03:44):
Nah, he been this, he been thisguy.

Speaker 1 (02:03:48):
Hold on, jar, when you're saying he does the things
that we like.
Can you just clarify that alittle further?

Speaker 3 (02:03:52):
He checks all the boxes cool.

Speaker 4 (02:03:54):
Back in our day, when we had our hoes and our nazes
and our state props and ourD-blocks and our dungeon
families.
We go out west to the death rowhomies.
The energy, the competitivefervor has always been there.
That's part of the reason welove this shit Right, and he's

(02:04:16):
always had it.
He's got that.
We called him the boogeyman inthe first place, who used to
come outside saying wild shitand nobody rapped back.
Kenny.

Speaker 3 (02:04:27):
I didn't buy into that until this battle the whole
boogeyman thing.
I didn't buy into that untilthis battle the whole boogeyman
thing.

Speaker 1 (02:04:30):
I didn't buy into that, but I hear what you're
saying.

Speaker 4 (02:04:33):
I'm just saying, cole , don't do that.
Aubrey, don't do that.
Aubrey will accept thechallenge, but Aubrey, don't
shake the table how about this?

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
my thing about the battle and the reason that I
chose Drake.
Everything that you're sayingis spot on, jarv, except for one
thing.
In my opinion, drake hasactually made more records like
that than Kendrick, even thoughKendrick embodies and represents
it for the culture more.
But Drake's been the one that'sbeen making the records like it
and that's why I picked him,because think about this prior

(02:05:04):
to this album, two of the lastthree albums we got were really
concept albums, and that's thePimple Butterfly and Mr Morale,
with Damn In Between.

Speaker 4 (02:05:12):
So that fervor that you're talking about Drake has
been representing or a high-asssteakhouse.
Drake is telling you he'sMcDonald's and we accept that
Sometimes we want a doublecheeseburger, but every now and
again you want some good steak.

Speaker 3 (02:05:29):
I want a filet-o-fish .
He's got a double Big Mac.
I mean the chicken Big Mac.

Speaker 4 (02:05:36):
That's all I'm saying , and I felt that Drake had a
chance.
Drake got a three-peat from KFCthis year is what he got,
Because to me, Drake rapped LikeI said on our pod.
I felt like he took as anopponent Pusha.

Speaker 1 (02:05:50):
to me, drake rapped like I said it on our pod, I
felt like he took as an opponent, push a team more seriously
than kendrick, as far as therespect was different understand
why he took that approach howcan you say that like no, this,
okay so, when sin is saying thesame things that he's saying
about mr morale?
drake is my answer for why thosethings aren't true.
Because drake was hearing thethings getting said on mr Morale

(02:06:10):
and was thinking to himself thesame thing.
I was thinking.
Which is man, I got this niggafaded on some rap shit and I
never thought that was going tohappen.

Speaker 4 (02:06:18):
He didn't rap that way, alright.
So boom In the same, becauseit's kind of crazy, the
similarities In the samescenario with Nas and Jay.
Jay thought that Nas was out ofhere, right, or?

Speaker 3 (02:06:29):
Nostradamus yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:06:30):
Did he try to?
Go shake ass and say drop, drop.
Or did he throw a haymaker onthe takeover?
He tried to get Nas out ofthere.

Speaker 1 (02:06:37):
Oh no, he tried to get rid of him.

Speaker 4 (02:06:38):
Drake never threw the haymaker.

Speaker 3 (02:06:40):
Yeah, I've heard you guys Go ahead, coop.

Speaker 1 (02:06:45):
Just real quick, jarv .
I did say on this show thatDrake played and failed the
situation.
The same way Jay failed on thetakeover.
You don't make two verses aboutProdigy and one verse about Nas
.
What the fuck are you smoking?

Speaker 5 (02:06:58):
That's hindsight that's hindsight In real life,
Prodigy was that guy.

Speaker 4 (02:07:03):
You're the king, you have to have foresight.

Speaker 1 (02:07:05):
You don't get hindsight.
You have to have foresight whenyou're the king.
That's why you're king, that'swhy I'm saying that.

Speaker 4 (02:07:13):
Jay wouldn't play in his face.
Jay didn't play in Nas' face.
He thought that Nas was out ofhere and he said this guy's lame
and his albums don't hit.
He checked every box as arapper to diss another guy.
Drake never did that.
Drake was playing, he wastrolling on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (02:07:30):
He was doing.

Speaker 4 (02:07:32):
AR verses with Snoop voice and Tupac voice and shit.
When did he really rap at Kenny?

Speaker 3 (02:07:36):
Not until Family Matters Coop.

Speaker 4 (02:07:38):
And even then at Family Matters, the nigga is
singing to Kenny and then whenKenny punched him again.
Now he want to rap on the HotPart 6.
It's too late by then.
You got stepped on already.

Speaker 1 (02:07:49):
So you're saying it's too little, too late.

Speaker 4 (02:07:52):
Where was the Dumpy?
He didn't have a Dumpyfreestyle at no point in this
process Right.

Speaker 1 (02:07:56):
A Dumpy freestyle definitely would have helped in
this.

Speaker 3 (02:07:59):
I like Dumpy better than Adidon personally, but
Adidon was more damaging.

Speaker 4 (02:08:02):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:08:06):
Adidon's more.

Speaker 2 (02:08:06):
You're right, dumpy's a better record than Adidon
well, look, we have to reallylook at Drake's record now,
because it's like after Pushaand Kendrick like, aye, he beat,
he beat Meek.
Is that his claim to fame?

Speaker 4 (02:08:21):
HBO Boxing Tomato.
I'm just saying, maybe we weregiving Drake too much credit for
that battle with Meek.

Speaker 2 (02:08:28):
but I mean, look, duffy was a good diss record, a
good diss record, but it wasn'tdamaging.
Where is Stace Schema.

Speaker 4 (02:08:38):
He doesn't have that.
That's what he should have done.

Speaker 2 (02:08:40):
Stace Schema was a lot harder.

Speaker 1 (02:08:42):
Fellas hold on.
The real hindsight is the factthat and I'll be the first one
to admit this that we overrateDrake because we have Meek
overrated because of what he didto Meek at the time, because
Meek at the time let's keep inmind, when that battle happened,
everybody thought Meek wasabout to rip Drake to shreds.
I mean, he should have.

Speaker 3 (02:09:03):
I think Drake gets.
You know he should get.
I mean he gets in the ring,like Jarv said, and he holds his
own.
He might have took some help,but he holds his own.

Speaker 1 (02:09:12):
Did he win a battle against a C-list rapper that we
thought was?

Speaker 4 (02:09:15):
an A-minus, b-plus rapper.
He got common out of there.
Cool Common he did be, calm.

Speaker 2 (02:09:22):
He beat calm.
Like I said, that was an agingcalm.
That was.

Speaker 1 (02:09:27):
I would think common, not an aging calm.

Speaker 2 (02:09:30):
That was, I would think, calm, and not an aging
calm.

Speaker 3 (02:09:31):
That was twilight of his career calm and mad, that
wasn't the same calm and mad.

Speaker 4 (02:09:34):
An older calm and just made the auditorium what we
doing.

Speaker 3 (02:09:37):
Yeah, but to Coop's point.

Speaker 2 (02:09:39):
Battling and making positive music is two different
things.

Speaker 4 (02:09:43):
Oh, when it come to your favorites boy.

Speaker 3 (02:09:45):
But to Coop's point, I've heard y'all on y'all's
podcast put this as the greatestrap battle of all time.
That's why I can't personallydo that.
It's the biggest and the mostgrandiose, but I can't put it
over Jay and Nas because thatwas literally close and
everybody who had Kenny winninghad him winning, you know,
decidedly anyway, and didn'twant to think that Drake was a

(02:10:06):
worthy competitor.
So it's like I think Drake heldhis own personally, but it
wasn't the two titans going at.
It wasn't as evenly matched onthe scorecards you know what I'm
saying, as a lot of peoplewould try to make it out to be
and plus Nas and J hadStillmatic and Takeover.
I mean Stillmatic and Blueprintclassic albums to boot, which

(02:10:26):
you know you got the GNX now,but it's not a classic and Drake
doesn't have anything to goalong with this battle.

Speaker 4 (02:10:31):
I know for me we put it up there because of what
happened on that particularnight that Family Matters and
Meet the Grands.
That was a great time.

Speaker 1 (02:10:39):
Jarb, hold on, that's my thing.
Then call it the biggest night,don't call it the biggest
battle, because Jay and Nas'battle is goat talk.
That is about the battle fornumber one.

Speaker 4 (02:10:48):
This is for the best of this era, not the goat To me
because rap changed that night.
The history we know it changedthat.
That's why we put it up there.

Speaker 1 (02:11:01):
Hold on, hold on, hold on Jar.
We're not going to know howmuch this changes as time goes
on.

Speaker 3 (02:11:06):
Social media adds to that though.

Speaker 4 (02:11:08):
Kenny's not the clear number one now?

Speaker 3 (02:11:12):
But Jar, it's number one for an era, not number one
all time.
That's what Jay-Z and Nas wastalking about.

Speaker 1 (02:11:19):
Jar, let me submit something to you, if I may.
What if I were to tell you thatit's like, because of all the
undertones and because of howKendrick started off this album
with the Wayne shade, not a shot, but shade.

Speaker 3 (02:11:34):
That's not shade bro.

Speaker 1 (02:11:37):
Yeah, it was.
I told the fellas behind thescene I said it wasn't
disrespectful his open hand slapto the face, but he definitely
snuffed the nigga a little bit.

Speaker 4 (02:11:50):
If Wayne decided to respond, he'd be in his right to
.

Speaker 1 (02:11:53):
But what if I told you that we might get a part two
or even part three to thisKendrick and Drake thing?
What if this is not over?
What if we're getting our firstAli Frazier, where it's like no
, these niggas is going to fighta few times?

Speaker 4 (02:12:06):
Is there any thought about that?
I don't think.
Well, like I said yesterday, ifI was Drake, you're not doing
me like this.
Until Drake decides to respondto Kenny properly.
He can't do shit.
He's in checkmate.
He has to fight him again.

Speaker 1 (02:12:23):
Thank, you Hold on, hold on.
So, jarv, isn't the tablereally being set?
And Kendrick knows this, whichis why he kind of poked at Wayne
Isn't the table really beingset?

Speaker 3 (02:12:32):
by Kendrick.
I don't think that line was noworse than Nas checking Pete
Rock.

Speaker 4 (02:12:36):
AG, can I finish?
Drake got to show me he coulddo it at this point, because I
came in like you, coop, Ithought Drake had him, and then
I seen what Kenny did.
Kenny beat him on every level.

Speaker 1 (02:12:46):
No, Can't he beat him on every level?
No, he beat him.
But if somebody beat your assand they keep looking at you,
are you not going to?

Speaker 3 (02:12:54):
But how does that make Wayne look if Drake got to
come to his defense?
Because Drake did that withPusha T.
So how would that make Waynelook?

Speaker 4 (02:13:03):
Hey them dudes is fooled man at this point.
I hate to be that guy, butthey're going to have to show me
now.

Speaker 1 (02:13:07):
You think Wayne fooled.
You think Wayne food.

Speaker 3 (02:13:10):
Wayne is not battle-tested bro.

Speaker 1 (02:13:12):
Neither was Kendrick until this year.

Speaker 2 (02:13:14):
Wayne is a buffet bro .

Speaker 5 (02:13:18):
Hold on hold on Hold on hold on no no no, no,
everything y'all are sayingabout Wayne, I can say about
Kendrick, until this year.

Speaker 1 (02:13:25):
Everything y'all are saying about Wayne.

Speaker 5 (02:13:30):
I can say about Kendrick until this year.

Speaker 1 (02:13:32):
Don't do that hold on .
Where was Kendrick battletested prior to this year?
Fellas, prior to this year,when was Kendrick battle tested?

Speaker 3 (02:13:41):
but he wanted smoke for how he projected himself
right.

Speaker 4 (02:13:45):
That's why I can't really answer that in good faith
, because he's asked people tocome in the ring and they ain't
want to get in the ring.
He was Chris Crawford.
Nobody wanted to come in thering and they ain't want to get
in the ring.
He was Chris Crawford, nobodywanted to get in the ring with
Crawford.
And as soon as Chris got in thering, what happened?
He got punched on and everybodyloved Arrow until he got
punched on right.

Speaker 3 (02:13:59):
Right.
And then Pusha T was beggingLil Wayne to get in the ring.
He said a few bars and pleadingwith him and getting the ring.
And then Drake had to come intothe fray and you know Drake
took those lumps.

Speaker 4 (02:14:11):
But at least he got the ring.
He tried to call Hove number.
What happened to him?

Speaker 1 (02:14:16):
Yes, hold on.
First of all, there's nopulling Hove's number unless
you're Nas he tried it.

Speaker 4 (02:14:23):
He found out where he existed on the phone chain,
that's when.

Speaker 1 (02:14:25):
Hove found out where he existed on the phone With a
JB verse tatted on him.

Speaker 5 (02:14:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:14:34):
I got a slide.
My time is up here, hold on.

Speaker 1 (02:14:40):
I think it's crazy that Kendrick gets to not be
battle testing for 15 years andy'all call Wayne fool.

Speaker 4 (02:14:47):
One guy says get in the ring with me Please.
Everybody says no.
The other guy is giving yourudimentary punchlines from the
early 90s.
Y'all said he was the best.
I just don't understand.

Speaker 5 (02:14:57):
It's not even the same.
It's not even the same.

Speaker 1 (02:15:00):
Yo, that control verse ain't like that.
It's not even the best verse onthe song Darv.

Speaker 4 (02:15:05):
But again, is Wayne giving you a like that verse?
No, ain't no big three, it'sjust big me.

Speaker 1 (02:15:14):
No, he does not have.
You want to know what he lacks?
He has bravado.

Speaker 4 (02:15:18):
He does not have the battle.
Rap bravado.
Isn't that part of being a?

Speaker 3 (02:15:21):
rapper, everybody, everybody, welcome to the new
hill that Koopa's going to dieon.

Speaker 1 (02:15:25):
I specified.
I said he does not haveKendrick's battle rap bravado.

Speaker 3 (02:15:27):
He doesn't I specified.

Speaker 1 (02:15:28):
I said he does not have Kendrick's battle rap
bravado.
He doesn't.

Speaker 4 (02:15:29):
He does not talk like in those battle rap terms that
Kendrick Everyone is like realG's moving silence, while
Kenny's out here saying I dareone of y'all.

Speaker 3 (02:15:38):
Hey, I respect that.
Found him a new heel.
I respect that.

Speaker 4 (02:15:44):
Never mind guys.
52,000 of his fans.
Ah, you know it's not a rightin my spirit, because he knew
what was coming.
Yeah, drake, can't make nobodyrun away from a fade.

Speaker 3 (02:15:58):
Or Wayne.

Speaker 4 (02:15:58):
A fan fade at that, because it was just bars at that
point and he had a bar for Coleon Discord.

Speaker 3 (02:16:05):
He said F your apologies, I want to see you
geeked out.

Speaker 1 (02:16:09):
I'm going to tell you the truth.
My problem with Cole and eventhe Carolina shit, it's like
he's actually up in the fade.
How are you going to step awaywhen you're up in the fade, if
you put money down?
If it's January and you noticedance has happened and you've
been listening to rap in the2020s.

(02:16:30):
You're not putting your moneyon Drake or fucking Kendrick
over Cole.
If you've been listening,that's my problem with how he
played it.
It's like you was just aboutyou won battle in one album away
from pole position from thisera when you've been third the
whole time.

Speaker 3 (02:16:46):
I don't care how good the fall off is.
He'll be third with a classic.
How can you let that go?
He'll be third with a classic.

Speaker 1 (02:16:51):
How can you let that go?
How can you let that go for aman that has not made a great
album Heart?

Speaker 5 (02:16:56):
No heart Cool, he relinquished it.
He doesn't want it.

Speaker 3 (02:17:00):
I understand it's North Carolina.
I get it.

Speaker 4 (02:17:03):
But then, after years of saying he you the best your
chance to prove it.

Speaker 5 (02:17:11):
You run away.
Don't come back to me.

Speaker 4 (02:17:13):
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable, but fellas I gotto slide up out of here.

Speaker 2 (02:17:17):
It was a good run.

Speaker 4 (02:17:18):
The door's open for y'all to come across the street
to us whenever it makes sense,whenever y'all ready, Just
holler Sean Coop, holler at me.
We make it make sense.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:17:29):
Peace y'all.
Yes, sir, yes, sir Yo, let'sget these Super Chats, fellas,
and let's get up out of here.
Let people get back to theirSunday.

Speaker 1 (02:17:40):
AG or Sean, y'all going to have to take the Super
Chats because my system shutdown and I had to reboot, so I
lost my Super Chats.

Speaker 5 (02:17:46):
No doubt I got it.
Let me see when can I get to.
We got Mad Max.
Of course we do.
We got Brandon Rogers.
Sean got the Fly SneakerCollection Giving Clark Kent
vibes.
Rest in peace, Clark Kent.
For sure.
Appreciate you, bro.
Andrew Williams, with the 199.
My guys love the unity.
Yeah, man, it's all about love.

(02:18:07):
Man, it's all about love.
We going into 2025 with love.
Tracy G the album is a two outof a 10 only because it's 45
minutes.
Yo, Tracy G is not going tobudge off of that.
Andrew Williams, I agree withall your points.
To be honest, about Kendrick, Ido feel by a lot of Kendrick
fans, if you don't calleverything he does a classic,

(02:18:30):
you're a hater.
It's fair.
It's fair.
Coop always say he doesn't likethe Kendrick fans.
007 with a $20 check.
Preach the 00.
Appreciate it.
Kenny is a Nas J level.
He's a tier below.
This album is solid and he'snot done creating.
But the reality is Drake wasnever that guy and Cole folded.

(02:18:51):
We grade these guys in a curvecompared to mid to late 90s
competition.

Speaker 1 (02:18:57):
Can I stop right quick and say what is really
important about Kendrick, andthis is where he has even
separated himself from Drake andCole.
When Drake and Cole drop albums, we don't have top 10 all time
rapper conversation.
Every time Kendrick drops, wedo.
And so the biggest difference,like my biggest takeaway from

(02:19:17):
everything that everybody's hadto say tonight, is actually I
noticed from all of our dialoguewell, he's number one in this
era because the type ofconversation that we have when
he drops an album is vastlydifferent than when Drake drops

(02:19:39):
and when Cole drops.
And that's the difference.
When Kendrick drops, we do havegoat talk.
When Drake and Cole talk, wetalk era talk.
Does that make sense?
Like it's don't talk.
When we talk kendrick, it's eratalk.
When cole and drake drop, andthat's where this battle has

(02:19:59):
solidified him, because it wasthat way before he won the
battle, and that's why I'm sosuper disappointed that cole
bowed out, because he had somany.

Speaker 3 (02:20:07):
He had so many legs up on you already he did, and
that's why this battle is soimportant, because if you get
number one for your era, that'slike a buy-in to conversation
for the top 10 of all time.

Speaker 1 (02:20:17):
Correct, correct.
That is the buy-in, because youhave to understand too.
I mean, if you go through yourtop 20 MCs, most of them came
out in a 15-year gap.
Most of your top 10, most ofyour top 20 MCs fall somewhere
between 85 to 2,000.

Speaker 3 (02:20:38):
Let's be real.
A lot of our top 10s are notnumber one for their respective
eras, but that was becausecompetition was more heavy back
then.
But you can only play who's infront of you.

Speaker 1 (02:20:50):
Scarface and Ghostface were the only people
in my top 10 that weren'tconsidered to be number one at
some point while they lived,though.

Speaker 5 (02:20:57):
Or all catalogs start to grow.

Speaker 1 (02:21:00):
Yeah, everybody else was number one, and.
I do think there's some Wu-Tangbias and some Southern bias
that comes with Ghost andScarface not having that,
because to me Ghost is the bestMC when Supreme Clientele comes
out.
Scarface probably never got.
Scarface never got his moment,mostly by Big J and Nas, because
when he made his best stuffthey were all I give you that.

Speaker 3 (02:21:23):
I was going to say I give you that on Face.
But as much as I love Face, oneyear doesn't constitute an era.

Speaker 1 (02:21:29):
What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (02:21:31):
Even if Ghost is the best MC in 2000, that doesn't
mean he's the best MC for thatera.
That just wraps up that year.

Speaker 1 (02:21:38):
No, okay.
So I think, how about this?
I have Scarface ahead ofGhostface because they exist in
the same era and Scarface ismore influential and more
impactful in his region.
The albums and the bars arecomparable.
What Scarface means to theSouth and what Ghostface means
to the East is totally different, because Scarface down here is
Nas, is Tupac is Big.

Speaker 5 (02:22:01):
You're comparing it to different fields.
You're comparing Ghost to 80%of the populace that we consider
to be up top.
You're talking about Big NasRay.
You're talking about adifferent field.

Speaker 1 (02:22:12):
No, that's where Ghost exists, don't you think
that's where Ghost Exists?

Speaker 5 (02:22:15):
he does, he does, he's part of that field.

Speaker 1 (02:22:18):
Yeah, he's part of that field.
I give Scarface the advantagebecause they exist in the same
field.
Oh no, Scarface, is that niggadown here entirely and look in.
The only conversations about itbeing different are related to
Wayne and Andre, Like when youtalk Ghost and you talk New York

(02:22:39):
, it's like no, there's Nas, BigJ, KRS, Brock, M G Kane.

Speaker 2 (02:22:47):
Ray.

Speaker 3 (02:22:48):
Matt Kid yeah, you got it all.
It's a different feel.
Brock M G.

Speaker 1 (02:22:49):
Kane.

Speaker 5 (02:22:50):
Ray Matt Ken.
Yeah, it's a different feel.

Speaker 1 (02:22:54):
Ghost is a victim of his climate, his New York
climate.
Scarface is a.
That is where Scarface is mostbeneficial is because, well, he
is our first all-time greatSouthern rapper.

Speaker 5 (02:23:05):
Absolutely.
That's respected, not just inthe Southern region but
everywhere.
I'm saying, as far as a guy tocome out of the South, he's the
first all-time Absolutely Bigfact that's respected, not just
in the southern region buteverywhere.

Speaker 1 (02:23:10):
Yes, no, no, no.
I'm saying as far as a guy tocome out of the South, he's the
first all-time great rapper tocome out of the.
South and that does meansomething.
And he has the material barsguest appearance.
He has everything, and platinumand gold, he has everything.

Speaker 3 (02:23:23):
Checks every box Validated.

Speaker 1 (02:23:24):
He checks every box, I checks every box.
I can't put Ghost over him withall those box checks.

Speaker 5 (02:23:30):
No doubt, more super chats.
Tracy G, this album is whack ashell.
It's better Might delete later.
It's better Fall off, tracy,you gotta let it go.
I appreciate that.
Jermaine Johnson, with the $5chat, hip-hop talks, collabs and
rap roundtables at the Avengersof Hip-Hop Media, fellas,

(02:23:51):
please do this more often.
No doubt.
Again, the mantra of 2025 islove.
Everything is love.
Cj Kid $10 super chat.
Can you guys do a Kendrickhip-hop talks versus Q
roundtable station here, likeMad Max said, since who versus
who's in T isn't happening.

(02:24:13):
Native tongues, native tongues.
You want to know what.
Hold on, hold on Fellas.

Speaker 1 (02:24:18):
Fellas, you want to know what we should do.
We need to come up with someplaylist battles to run on
station head for Thanksgiving.
We're not going to be like.
I know we've had a couple of.
We need to come up with someplaylist battles to run on
Stationhead for Thanksgiving.
We're not going to be.
I know we've had a couple ofconversations, but what do you
think about knocking out some ofthese battles?

Speaker 3 (02:24:36):
We've been doing some battles in the Discord Coop.
If you was in the Discord Firstof all, I won't be jumping in
the Discord.

Speaker 1 (02:24:42):
I jumped in the Discord and jumped back out.
Okay, I just jumped on Twittertoday.
Nigga, you'll be happy.
I came outside to play thisyear.
You know what type of year it'sbeen.
First of all, I'd like to telleverybody never buy an Audi.
If, like me, you'll be withouta car for six weeks because they
have to replace your engine.
But they don't want to replacethe engine, then you rent a car.

(02:25:04):
Then you rent a car and afteryou call to check on AG, coming
from North Carolina, a deerfucking jumps in front of your
rental car and totals your shit.
Now you owe the rental carcompany thousands of dollars,
except you already paid themthousands of dollars so you
could rent a car Then you getyour daughter's car.
I'm not finished.
Then you get your daughter'scar.
You get your daughter's carshipped from your sister.

(02:25:26):
New transmission Engine has aproblem.
Just got done.
Paying for new engine worktoday.

Speaker 3 (02:25:33):
Engine's cost a lot.
At that point I'm just gettingnew whips.

Speaker 1 (02:25:36):
Then I got to come these are the new whips your bad
?

Speaker 5 (02:25:41):
I love Audi.
This is what they give you.
Then I got to come and dealwith you two.
I'm glad you said that, Sean.

Speaker 1 (02:25:46):
Then I have to come and deal with you two, then I
have to come and deal with youtwo.
No, no, no.
And then, on top of having todeal with you two, you.
I don't know what we did youcalled Jarvin Sin on top of all
that, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:26:07):
Got a lot of nerve.
This was an intervention we'reending 2020.

Speaker 5 (02:26:12):
With love, we're going into Thanksgiving with
love, we're going to finish offwith love.
I don't want let me say thisreal quick you're not invited
we're not going to send a beaconto others and say come on,
let's have a conversation.
Everyone doesn't get thatinvite, so let me be.
I don't want to talk crazy ortalk fresh and anything crazy

(02:26:35):
like that.
Get it Pun intended.
You know I don't want to gettoo fresh out here for y'all.
Pun intended.
Everybody doesn't get thatinvite.
I'm sorry, but yeah, we want tostart with love, if you want,
into 2025.
Ag doesn't like what I justsaid.
I get it.
I apologize.
He's going to have aconversation with me after this

(02:26:56):
and I apologize.

Speaker 3 (02:26:59):
Watch football.
That's what I'm going to do.
Go eat.
This is your fault.

Speaker 5 (02:27:04):
But, fellas, I think we have a couple more.
Oh yeah, we got it.
That was the last one.

Speaker 3 (02:27:10):
We appreciate all the super chats.
By the way, everybody weappreciate the super chats.

Speaker 1 (02:27:13):
Except for Mad Max because, mad Max, you don't know
what you're talking about Ifyou're in the chat right now.

Speaker 5 (02:27:18):
If you haven't subscribed, please subscribe to
the channel.
Like, share, subscribe.
Join the movement.
We'll put the actual Discordlink in the chat tonight as well
.
Join our Facebook.
Follow us on Twitter.
We appreciate the love, theconversations that we have on

(02:27:39):
here.
We still have conversations onthe discord as well.
The discord we do haveconversations on the discord.
You do have conversations onthe Discord.
It's crazy, like if you lovemusic, if you love hip-hop in
general, if you love sportsgames, whatever the Discord is
where it's at.
The Discord is where it's at.
So if you enjoyed tonight,please log into our Discord.

(02:28:02):
We drop different things inthere.
We drop some exclusive thingsin there as well.
Great chat in the Discord.
We even play music.
Now we figure out a way tostart playing music in the
Discord.
We actually have battles goingback and forth in the Discord.
I hope you guys enjoy Coop'sgrowth tonight.
Pauls, wow.

Speaker 1 (02:28:23):
Cut it off.

Speaker 5 (02:28:26):
We think that this is the first process of healing.

Speaker 1 (02:28:31):
I'm healed.
I'm not traumatized.
You are, you are, you are, I'mso sick of you and AG talking
about me like I'm hurt.

Speaker 3 (02:28:41):
I'm sitting here quiet.

Speaker 1 (02:28:43):
Nigga, you've been talking more than Sean has this
whole time about me.
They're like who's got this allfucked up?
It's like I don't have itfucked up.

Speaker 3 (02:28:51):
I was just making an observation.

Speaker 5 (02:28:53):
Yeah, coop.
Yeah, he had to make anobservation.
Coop is back on the streets now.
So y'all be women.
Let freedom ring.

Speaker 1 (02:29:01):
Hashtag let freedom ring.
I'd like to tell all the fellasin Atlanta first of all, hide
your woman.
You need to hide your woman.

Speaker 5 (02:29:08):
You're not me, you got your ankle bracelet off.
Now You're not me.

Speaker 1 (02:29:13):
You niggas out here could never be Coop.
I sit back here listening tothe studio right now, listening
to a guy holler my name yeah,when last year I spent more
money on spilt liquor, bars, all.

(02:29:33):
Actually.
I haven't been to bars allaround the world, I've been on
probation you have been.

Speaker 5 (02:29:40):
Now it's time to work .
It's time to work.

Speaker 1 (02:29:43):
I'm going to get my passport leaving you niggas.
I applied for it six weeks ago.
I should be here in a day.
You might not get it.
It's definitely been taking toolong.
They're like we're not missingout.

Speaker 3 (02:29:54):
We take events on which year first the passport or
the car.

Speaker 1 (02:30:02):
Hold on, First of all first of all, it's an Audi,
first of all, ag.
It's an Audi, so the answer isthe passport.
The answer is the passport.
Answer the passport.
It's an Audi.
So I'll be getting the passport.
Before I'll be getting the Audiback.
I'd like to say fuck you toAudi and fuck you to my warranty
company.
I can't say it See by the timethis airs and they see it, I

(02:30:22):
will be off probation.
So it's all the gang times,nigga.

Speaker 5 (02:30:27):
Cool, you know who's watching.
They might send it over.
I can't experience that.

Speaker 1 (02:30:31):
I'm back outside in the streets of the city tomorrow
, first of all, all you littleniggas talking shit about me, no
, no, no, okay.

Speaker 5 (02:30:40):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:30:47):
First thing I'm going to do with my free time is go
get a couple pistols because Iain't been able to have them.
All right, first thing I'mgoing to do with my free time is
go get a couple pistols becauseI ain't been able to have them.
All right.
A lot of niggas been sending metext messages, calling me all
sorts of things.
It's okay.

Speaker 5 (02:31:02):
Sticks and stones right.
Sticks and stones no sticks andstones.

Speaker 3 (02:31:06):
And what kid?
You said the flick first andGod got it.

Speaker 1 (02:31:10):
Sticks and stones break bones, but the blicky will
take you out of here.

Speaker 3 (02:31:14):
The blicky will take you out of here.
It's like God of guns which isbetter protection?
Can't decide.
That's a hard one.

Speaker 1 (02:31:21):
You got to relax, man .
I'm going to pray about it forour.
Yo, I'm ready to slide, thoughCan't decide.
I'm ready to slide though.
I'm going to choose both.
I'm going to pop your ass acouple times in the kneecap, so
you understand.
I'm not fucking around with you, I'm about to be talking to me
crazy.

Speaker 5 (02:31:37):
It's time to get out of here.
Like, subscribe, share.
Shout out to LP.
Shout out to my man, TrifeBoogie.
Shout out to L Books.

Speaker 1 (02:31:47):
I'm going to jump into discord on Thanksgiving
it's going to be a special guestappearance It'll be like 16
bars.

Speaker 5 (02:31:52):
Shout out to my secret weapon, jack, the
equalizer, jack.

Speaker 1 (02:31:59):
Jack, your equalizer and your secret weapon, jack is
cracking the fuck up.

Speaker 5 (02:32:04):
Exactly, jack is that guy man.
Jack is that guy.

Speaker 1 (02:32:10):
Jack's our secret weapon.
That's who we're using.

Speaker 3 (02:32:13):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (02:32:14):
Jack needs help.

Speaker 3 (02:32:15):
In short, yes.

Speaker 5 (02:32:16):
In short, yes, yeah, I would drop the Discord link in
the chat.

Speaker 2 (02:32:20):
Definitely dropping back in the Discord if Jack's
our help.

Speaker 5 (02:32:23):
Jack is my guy, that's the Winter.
Soldier Facts, facts Unhinged.

Speaker 1 (02:32:29):
Un, that's the Winter Soldier.
Facts, facts.

Speaker 5 (02:32:30):
Unhinged, unhinged, crazy Jack.
Yes, you just got to say thewords.
Say the words In the book, andhe's activated.

Speaker 3 (02:32:38):
Just read about Sonics.

Speaker 5 (02:32:41):
Let me close up, shout out to LB as well.
Miss LB, lb, what up.
Did a phenomenal job todayrunning the Facebook page.
She was actually ramping up thefacebook.
They had a whole chat going onin the facebook about us getting
ready to do this show.
Um, she didn't have to do thatand there was a whole chat going
on over there and, if you guysnoticed, the numbers were high

(02:33:04):
tonight.
Kendrick moved the needle, um,and we wanted to give y'all the
best show we possibly could.
We wanted to have a lot ofgreat conversation and we also
wanted to make sure you thoughtsome surprises in that.
Again, our mantra, going to 2025, is all love and we want y'all
to join the movement.
Join the love movement, joinour discord.
To connect with us there.
Join us on Twitter, of course.

(02:33:25):
Make sure you like andsubscribe and share.
Tell a friend to tell a friend.
Uh, we'll be back on Wednesdaynight.
We'll be back on before thenight before Thanksgiving, so
hope y'all can tune in with usthen.
Uh, we got some more stuff, um,coming up.
We got some prizes andeverything coming up for the
holidays and, um, yeah, we goty'all Cooper's back home,
cooper's back outside.
Now, all right, no boundaries,no more.

(02:33:46):
So everybody be careful outthere and we out.
Peace.

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