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Speaker 1 (00:40):
Good evening.
This is Hip Hop Talks.
Unfortunately, we're startingoff on a more somber tone.
We want to send our thoughts,prayers and condolences for
those already lost to the firesgoing on in LA and the
surrounding areas right now.
Sean and I were just talkingbehind the scenes about how we,
both from his travels and frommy time living out there have

(01:03):
actually seen the fires likeoccur and how they occur.
It's a very, very serious thing, a very serious matter.
Make sure you're checking onyour loved ones out there.
Any thoughts?

Speaker 2 (01:16):
AG or Sean, you all want to share.
Starting off, just prayers up.
It's a scary and it's adangerous situation.
You know what I mean.
It happens way too often.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
So definitely sending prayers to everybody out there.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Indeed, echo prayers to the families out there.
What impacted?
Yeah, um, make sure you clicklike, subscribe, share to our
page.
We're growing, as usual.
We started off the new yearstrong with episode 50.
Welcome to episode 51.
Uh, let's go ahead and get intosome things.
Gentlemen, liangelo hasLiAngelo Ball, that is.

(01:51):
I do need to clarify that.
It's not like he's as popularas his two other siblings.
He's released a single onYouTube called Tweaker.
I don't believe in New Year'sresolutions, but I do try, you
know, in the new year to reflecton any behavior that I may have

(02:13):
had that I can maybe correct inthe new year, and so I'm going
to deflect to you, ag, aboutthis, so that I'm just not like
disrespectful right now.
Go ahead, have a good time.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
I listened to it once oh.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
It better than having finished.
It went viral.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
And that's about all positive, I would have to say
about it.
Hey man, real talk, though.
Like I mean, his two brothersare in the NBA.
You know his career didn'tquite take the path that they

(03:01):
thought it was going to takebecause of, you know, a certain
incident and you know that kindof derailed his NBA hopes.
And then, you know, he even gota second chance but you know it
still didn't pan out.
You know, getting cut from theNBA because I believe he was on
the G League team for theHornets at one point, right,

(03:22):
right.
So you know, sometimes you gotto find another avenue of hustle
.
You know, and I'm just tryingwhat are you doing, man?
I'm just trying to be positiveman.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (03:39):
It's a new year.
I told Sean I was going to be abetter person and so you lied
to Sean to start the new year.
Right, he lied that was a lie.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
You lied to start the new year.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
That's about right Right Now.
You're going to kick off thenew year with a lie.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Nah, man, it's pretty trash, if I'm being honest, but
some people like it.
It would be viral if somepeople didn't like it.
More power to them.
Nah, that was pretty trash.
I wish I could have got thosefew minutes back, sean what you
got.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
I tried, man.
I wanted to be positive aboutit too.
I didn't want to be indifferent, but it's trash.
I'm not going to lie, it's notmy thing.
When I listened to the firstverse, I immediately went and
started listening to theopposite of H2O by Drag On.

(04:32):
I don't know why.
I don't even know why, yo, yo.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
You want to know what me and AG.
We know what you're doing.
We know, no, no, no, we knowwhat you just did.
This is how we starting off theyear.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Drag on to be offended.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
See, most people don't know.
That's one of those if you know, you know moments Like if you
know, you know what he's beingover here.
Yo, he was so shady.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Drag to the dash is going crazy, man.
Drag to the dash.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
You want to know what ?
We have super chats.
I don't have time for this shit.
We have super chats.
007, what up, 007?
Queens, get the money.
Happy New Year, gentlemen.
Looking forward to a big year,I as well.
00.
Sorry I haven't been able tohit you back.
Had a lot of stuff going on.
You and I will be talking very,very soon, possibly tomorrow,
because it looks like they'regoing to shut Atlanta down,
which means I'm not going to beable to get into it.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yo, atlanta getting shut down.
Over three inches of snow issoft.
I'm sitting down here in likealmost two feet of snow since
Monday.
Like it's crazy here in WestVirginia.
A whole tree in my driveway, 13degrees outside and they're
about to shut your city down.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
It's wild 13 degrees outside and they about to shut
your city down as well.
I remember when I was in fourthgrade and the snow started
falling outside, they just putus on the bus and sent us home.
Like we ain't calling parents,we ain't telling nobody, like,
oh no, I'm off Go home.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Nah, bro, it's treacherous conditions here, man
.
We done got about 20 inches ofsnow since Monday.
It's treacherous conditionshere, man.
We done got about 20 inches ofsnow since Monday.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
It's crazy, I believe it, you live in the mountains
for real.
It's mountainous areas.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I had to lift a big tree stump out of my yard.
I was out there like PaulBunyan putting the joint on my
shoulder, trying to carry it.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yo man that joint was wild man, the podcast Paul
Bunyan.
There we go, that's right.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
That's right, jermaine.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Johnson with the 199 Super Chat.
If Juvenile get on that lastverse of the remix fire.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
That was a hot song.
That joint was dope yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Okay, we got more.
Yeah, we got more.
Cj the Kid.
What up CJ Appreciate you 50bucks on it, cj.
What up brother Appreciate?

Speaker 2 (06:46):
you CJ.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
You guys are blessed and doing well, fellas.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Prayers to the families out west.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yes, prayers to the families out west.
Indeed, cj, thank you forsaying that.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
No, thank you, CJ.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
However, joey's been getting beat up from all corners
.
I updated Sean and the Discordis talking, the is talking.
The female MC is going to jumpin for the East, apparently.
Let's talk.
You want to talk about thatright?
Quick, gentlemen, we want tokind of like thump that to the
back a little bit Wait.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
We got that on the dock.
So, CJ, if you can hold tight,we'll get you on that one.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, we're going to get to you, cj.
I would like to say about theLiAngelo song that don't quit
your day job and if this is yourday job, find another day job.
You suck the end.
Good night, all right.
On to somebody doing some moreproductive things in the hip hop

(07:41):
world, or at least in furtherin the hip hop world, is Lupe
Fiasco guys in the hip hop world, or at least in further in the
hip hop world, is Lupe Fiascoguys.
Lupe is becoming the firstperson to actually be a
university professor of hip hopat John Hopkins University,
which is actually having abachelor's degree in hip hop.
Applications are January 24this when they open up, gentlemen.

(08:04):
So I actually think that Lupeis the perfect guy for this job.
But I have a more importantquestion to ask the both of you
right now.
Should I apply?
No, can you imagine me?
Can you imagine me?
You don't think I should apply.
I was thinking, ooh, I can beone of Lupe's students.
I can't wait to go to class andlearn from Lupe.

(08:25):
It would be something.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
No, yes, I support it no.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
I got a careful sign out on that one.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Can we put a poll up in the chat.
Should Coop apply to be part ofLupe's class at Johns Hopkins?
Applications open up January24th.
I looked it up.
Applications open up January24th.
Can we put up a poll Be?

Speaker 2 (08:55):
worded to applications.
What makes you think you'regoing to get accepted if you see
your name on the list ofapplications?

Speaker 1 (09:00):
It's a coup.
How can he tell me?
No, I could file adiscrimination case if that were
the case.
It's a coup.
How can he tell me, no, I couldfile a discrimination case if
that were the case.
It's discrimination.
Because I'm COW, you want tohate.
No, no, no, no, no, you got tolet me in.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
COW is nasty.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
What do you guys actually honestly think?
I'm serious about that poll forthis application, though, but
what do you guys honestly thinkabout Lupe in this?
This is something progressivefor hip-hop.
What do you guys actuallyhonestly think?
I'm serious about that poll forthis application, though, but
what do you guys honestly thinkabout Lupe in this?
This is something progressivefor hip-hop.
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Prestigious, in a word, prestigious man.
You know, kudos to Lupe.
It's a big deal in a lot to ourart form of hip hop the fact
that it can be taught in theeducational system.
You know what I'm saying.

(09:51):
So I feel like we've grown as aculture leaps and bounds to the
point where you know like evenNas, nas is a Harvard fellow and
you know things like that.
So it's like I remember when Iwas a kid, people saying hip hop
was a fad.
It wasn't going to be around orit wasn't real music, quote
unquote.
Now we're being taught in thehighest esteemed universities

(10:15):
and we got one of our own at thehelm of that, and I think that
is, you know, a big deal, and sosalute to Lupe for that.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, john deal.
So salute to Lupe for that,john, I agree, I agree.
This is a good thing forhip-hop.
I know Jizzle was actuallyteaching a physics class or
something like that as well,right.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
He taught some sort of physics and astro.
It was some sort of combineclass, but physics was at the
base of it, I believe.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yes, I can totally see that.
He's a mad scientist man.
I hope this opens the door forothers.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, anybody talking like that.
I hope this opens the door forother things, though for other,
you know, artists.
That's qualified, of course, todo things like this at other
colleges, institutions, so onand so forth, because I do think
it's an opportunity relic,right.
You want it to continue to bevibrant and continue to grow and

(11:12):
continue to have a lot ofmeaning to it, because I think,
as we got farther away fromhip-hop as itself, we came up in
the era of b-boy, you know,graffiti breakdancing, all of

(11:36):
those things rhyming and justhaving lifeless we taught each
other.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Hold on, okay so, but see the perspective changes
because even look at break boy,look at break dancing and
graffiti and b-boying, that wasour early, early childhood.
That's our super youngchildhood, like our 4, 5, 6.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Right, right, Exactly .
And you see what they did to it.
They took it and they had theOlympics.
They had breakdancing in theOlympics.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
No, that was not breakdancing.
That was not breakdancingExactly.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
To your point, it became a relic.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
You may want to take a break from putting that in the
Olympics.
But that wasn't breakdancing.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
They commercialized it to the point where it takes
away the rawness of it.
And if you can have someonelike Lupe you know other artists
out there again who's qualified.
Maybe they can, you know,continue to keep it vibrant as
much as possible.
So this is a big win forhip-hop.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
I think 007 has a couple of prevalent super chats
that we need to go through rightquickly that are prevalent to
this conversation.
So you get a degree in hip-hop,and then what?
And then what six-figure job doyou get with a hip-hop degree?
Fellas, great questions, 007.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Great question.
It's funny because we haveprofessors who talk at it.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
You get to host your own podcast.
Guess what?
You don't need a degree to dothat you really don't, even
though we all have degrees.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, you really don't need it.
That's a good question.
That's a damn good question.
That's an excellent question.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Think about where the journalistic world, think about
the conversation we just hadabout Elliot and the
journalistic integrity ofwriting and the space that he
has to exist in now and themedia personality.
So what you're gonna go?
You're gonna go pay a quartermillion dollars for education to
get a job as a hip-hop writer,like right right in 2028 well

(13:38):
what I would think you know toanswer 007 question.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
I would hope it would produce more hip-hop educators.
You know what I'm sayingbecause lupe is already somebody
who's stamped and sanctioned asbeing a hip-hop artist, right,
but as far as going, you know,to school under that banner, I
think you could eventuallybecome an educator in hip-hop.
I don't know mean you wouldhave to get your teaching degree

(14:03):
in in um, you know, inconjunction with that.
But I mean I would hope that itwould spawn more educators on
the subject, because to me itseems like it's only kind of
like going to be a niche thingas certain universities.
But you know, for the ones thatgraduate from that program,
hopefully it could branch outand spawn more educators in the

(14:25):
hip-hop culture and then westart to see it in more
universities.
Now will that be a six-figureprofession?
I don't know, but hopefully itwill spawn more jobs in that
forum.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
See, what you don't want to do is go to college and
get a job in hip-hop that stillforces you to sell dope.
All right, that's a fact.
Look at it.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
It was the North Carolina A&T.
We had them on station therelast year.
They were two hip-hopprofessors.
Oh the Aggies, Yep.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
You know the dude I get my jewelry from that's the
Aggie.
He's an Aggie.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, he's an Aggie they have Aggie.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yeah, he's Aggie, they have a hip-hop course over
there.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
We had two professors that taught hip-hop and they
came on to our station head showand smoked their boots.
Actually it was embarrassingClassic moment.
They probably lostaccreditation after that.
Nonetheless, they wereprofessors.
Real spit, that was real.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
You talked about professors.
This world is about buildingrelationships, sean.
When you talk about invitingpeople on and then you talk
about live, how you smoke theirboots- it really happened, I
witnessed it Lost theiraccreditation.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Would I say, upset college professors more
knowledge than Webster.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
It was bad.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Lost their accreditation is just like
outright disrespectful.
It's possible.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
You're going to stand no chance.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
But real talk, though .
Shout out to Lupe for findingyou know cause we just talked
about um rappers having secondcareers, you know finding what's
next for them, um, in theirlife If they hang up the mic.
Not saying, lupe is hanging upthe microphone, but this is an
avenue that you know.
Nobody else does really travel,you know what I'm saying.
So shout out to him for findinga second career in this because

(16:26):
, like we talked about lastepisode, the move seems to be
getting your own podcast or ownmedia outlet or what have you,
but Lupe's taking thealternative route.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
He's creating a lane?
No, he is, and he deservesprops for creating a lane,
because it's a lane and peopleneed to pay attention to this
move, because this is the powermove.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
It's a lane that when you say it for him, you're like
no, that makes sense, makesperfect sense, it does and I'm
not trying to be funny, butisn't it ironic like with with
this moniker, the teacher andstuff like that, this, don't you
think this is something thatKRS-One probably should have did
years ago?

Speaker 1 (17:04):
No, I think somebody like a KRS-One, a Black Thought,
a Nas, a Tupac, people thathave been spoken about in
African-American diasporaclasses already have led up to
this moment.
There have been building blocksto this moment.
Lupe didn't just pop up withthis.
There has been moments.

(17:25):
There has been the studying ofTupac's and Nas's.
There's been Illmatic being putin the Harvard Institute.
There's been Tupac's poetry andlyrics being studied.
There's been Lupe at MITKRS-One I think about well, who
should be hip hop's firstprofessor, like actual professor
, to break down the things yousee, because here's the thing

(17:51):
about it Like KRS-One probablyis not going to come Monday,
wednesday and Friday From 10 to10.50.
11 to 11.50.
12 to 12.50.
11 to 11.50, 12 to 12.50, 1 to1.50, then go do his office
hours, then go gallivant aboutthe camp.

(18:13):
No, but Lupe, you can see thatfor him because he's disciplined
and organized and structuredlike that with a lot of the same
ethos that KRS-One has.
Krs-one's like kind of path,and path and ethos is what opens
the door for this as well.
The things that he's beenspeaking about educationally in
terms of reform, necessary andinclusion of us, necessary in

(18:36):
order for there to be trueprogress, is part of it.
This is the mark of thatprogress.
It really is a great moment forhip-hop.
Shout out to Lupe for that andI'll see you in class.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
That would be funny, though, I have one person that I
would want to see in this arena, and that's RZA.
I would love to see RZA teachat the university.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
No, no, we're cool on that, speaking of which, wow.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
That's disrespectful man.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
No, it's not.
He puts plenty of his stuff outthat he wants to be seen the
way that he wants it to be seen.
See Wu-Tang on Hulu.
See Ray talking about it withJoe Rogan, which is actually the
next subject that we're goingto dump into, guys.
Ray went on Joe Rogan.
Last week to start off the newyear, ray got a new album coming

(19:26):
called the Emperor's NewClothes, which is based on the
old I bless what is it?
Folklore story?
The Emperor Wears no Clothes,correct?
Yeah, he's doing a twist onthis, but what did you guys
think of the interview overall?
Sean, kick it off.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
I think it was a dope interview.
Joel is a very unorthodoxinterviewer he's such a fan but
it works and it works.
He does a good job.
Sometimes the interview turnedinto him just having a
conversation with the artist.
They're educating each other,on different timelines,

(20:06):
different portions of Philpop,so I thought it was really dope
to kick off the year with Ray.
He got Ray in a comfortableposition to talk about different
things.
It wasn't your averageinterview.
I've seen many interviews withRay.
It turns out to be like aninterrogation because you get
like a thousand questions youwant to ask about the clan and
about him.

(20:27):
But Joe had a real conversationwith him.
That was dope.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
AG, what you think I'm with Sean.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Joe, he gets it right .
He's.
You know he's not somebody whoyou would consider other culture
and hip hop or whatever, butdude is a fan for real, like
I've heard him wax poetic about,you know, wu Tang, nwa, nas,
like you know what I'm saying.
Dude is a fan for real.
But when he has those guests onhis show, he gets it.
He does his homework, he doeshis research, even to the point

(20:58):
where the guest is taken abacklike oh, wow.
Like you know what I mean.
Like I didn't know you weregoing to ask me that or I didn't
know you knew about that.
So you know it was a veryinteresting interview.
I think Joe Rogan did his thingand then Ray was candid.
Ray is somebody who, dependingon the mood he's in, could be
hit or miss with the interview,you know what I'm saying but but

(21:22):
he was very, ray was verycandid man and I think both of
them knocked it out of the parkand I'm looking forward to the
new album when it drops.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
This is one of the better interviews that I can
remember in quite some time,guys, I agree, when I thought
about Joe Rogan, he got intosuch a comfortable
conversational dialogue with Raythat I hadn't seen Ray open up
like this in a long time in aninterview.
In a long time he wasn't eventhis open like on the drink
champs interview no no, you know, and he felt more comfortable

(21:55):
and willing to share histhoughts and his thoughts were
like very well, like woven andcalculated and thoughtful and
articulate and intricate, verymuch like his rhymes, right, you
know the way that he wasbreaking things down.
It was one of the betterinterviews that I've seen in a
while and I was actuallythinking to myself, although not
technically or or you know, Iguess you know, in a lot of ways

(22:19):
he is part of this culture, buthe isn't with with joe rogan.
But as far as interviews go theway he, like one-on-one, makes
an artist feel truly comfortableand just like knows his shit,
has a hip-hop head, but it'sstill able to like wax poetic
without coming off as too muchof a fan.
You know, like he shows theartist that he's a fan of

(22:43):
everything else too, not justthe person that he's
interviewing.
He's like yeah, yeah, I getdown with your stuff, but I get
down with everybody else too,like when he's playing the cool
G rap stuff and Ray's like yo, Inever heard that.
So that goes to the point, ag,where you're talking about,
where the interviewer isschooling the interviewee on
something, because Ray's like Iain't never heard this Ghetto

(23:07):
Boy song.
I ain't never heard this Cool Grap song, but that's what made
me think.
Something about Ray too.
Sean, you'll understand this.
As a Marine, ray is somebodywho thinks he has a trench and a
bunker mentality.
So I can see hip-hop-wise eventhough, like you know what I'm
saying, you gotta think he'splaying Ray, a Cool G rap song
from 1992.

(23:27):
Now that's when the Klan istaking shape and form.
They probably ain't listeningto nobody else.
Nobody else.
They said that.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
They tuned everybody out.
They kept it right in theregiment.
They tuned everyone out.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Literally the only dude that they knew around that
time was Ray and ray and nas,somehow like it, met up.
You know what I'm saying?
That was the only dude reallyoutside the clan that you ever
really heard them even talkabout so and ray probably like
encompasses that mentality.
The most of the crew, but evenjoe rogan knowing stuff like yo
remember when y'all went torikers when ODP was in Rikers I
was like oh, I was like Rogan isa head, because I remember, I

(24:08):
remember like the, I canremember like the little
articles and stuff like aboutthat, like like a month after it
happened.
But it was like a month afterit happened and then it kind of
faded away.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, that's exactly what I was about to say, coop.
I'm glad you brought that upBecause we talked about
journalistic writing.
We, you know, anytime we talkabout guest speaking or anytime
we talk about interviewingsomeone, they say to give a hook
.
Like you know, you want to grabthe listener.
You want to grab you know theperson reading the article right

(24:40):
out the gate.
And I think that you know, wheninterviewing Ray, I think that
was Rogan's hook when he cameout and was like yo, I remember
when y'all performed at Rikers,when ODB was like damn, ray was
instantly sold, he was on board.
The rest of the interview wassuper smooth after that because
Rogan nailed the hook.
He had Ray at that point.
It wasn't no fake stuff either.
He could recount the momentabout what year it was, what

(25:03):
happened.
You know what, about what yearit was, what happened.
And, like you know, ray waseven to the point where I was
like yo, that's, that's crazy.
Like how'd you know about that?
I almost forgot about that.
Like you know what I mean, thisand that.
But you know I evidentlyimpacted joe's life where it's
something that you know he'llnever forget, and it was a big
moment for him.
So to me that was joe's hook,and the interview was just

(25:23):
smooth sailing after that point.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
So we're going to get the Jermaine Johnson super chat
, because I was actually aboutto kind of say something to this
effect, because I don't know ifthis is problematic, but I
think it is something that needsto be briefly discussed and
then we can move to the nexttopic.
Jermaine Johnson, thank you forthe $4.99 super chat.
The Rogan interview made me saydamn.
Elliot Wilson was right.
Most of these hip-hop platformsis trash.

(25:46):
Gentlemen, I do feel like JoeRogan just gave a better hip-hop
interview of Ray than anybodyhas in at least the last 10, 15
years.
Is that problematic for thisculture?
That the best interview that weare going to get from an icon
and somebody that I have in mypersonal top 15 all time and I
think that objectively he hastop 15 on him Like somebody of

(26:08):
his stature in this game thatJoe Rogan is the one that gives
him the best interview?
Joe Rogan is the one that knowsthat Wu-Tang went to Rikers.
Listen, it's not even that youknow that he went to, that
Wu-Tang went to Rikers becausethat was a known thing.
They went while ODB was inthere.
He knew the details, guys.
Is this an indictment on ourhip-hop journalistic slash

(26:30):
podcast, slash media outlet?
Whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
I think so because I think, okay, you listen to Cam
and Mase and they tell youstories from first-hand to a
secondhand experience, so thosestories have a little bit more
punch to it.
They're not going, they're notusing a journalistic route where
they're digging up information,they're piecing things together
like a collage.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
They're telling you what happened.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
They're telling you what really happened to me.
Those are the best stories youhear.
When Joe was talking about this, joe was in that.
He was around that.
He was around around that time.
So he grew up seeing that inlive time.
Think about the stories that weall share, you know, on scene
or behind the scenes we talkabout the things that we
experience in different moments,those stories.

(27:17):
You can talk more passionateabout those stories because you
actually seen it, you lived it,you breathed it, you know I mean
.
So it hits a little bitdifferent as opposed to someone
like ell Elliott who was doingsome research or some digging or
whatever the case may be, andnow he's telling a story from a
journalistic perspective.
No one want to hear thatanymore.
It's like reporting the news.
We don't want you to report thenews anymore.
Let's have a conversation aboutwhat's really going on, because

(27:40):
I want to know the intricatedetails.
I want to know what's going onand ODB's locked up.
I want to know that.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
You want to know what's going on.
People don't want to know thenews anymore, because the news
is now delivered to them.
You already have access to thenews.
You can't avoid the news.
And if you don't have the newssomebody around you has the news
and is going to give you thenews.
Hey Co, hey, coop, you heardabout such and such, nope, but I

(28:10):
have.
Now you want to know why.
Because you knew, because it'saccessible, because the
information is literally,literally at our fingertips at
all times, 24, 7.
So there is.
So there is no more writingabout the news.
People are trying to makethemselves a part of the news,
see, but here's where joe roganis successful and here's why
he's not.
Joe Rogan's not doing that.
Joe is like I'm a fan, but I'mgoing to show you that I'm a fan
of you and a fan of thisculture.

(28:30):
That's what a dope-assjournalist is really supposed to
do at the end of the day.
Like show you that culturally,I'm involved and that I
understand and that I get it, sothat you give me the goods that
I need to deliver to my base,so that I eat properly off of
this.
Like that's what I mean.

(28:50):
Like he gets it on all levelsand when he delivers an
interview like this with one ofour icons, it is like kind of an
indictment, in my opinion, onon, on all of us.
I was like I'll put myself inthat.
Like I tried to get a Rayinterview once.
I used to work with his sister.
I couldn't get the Rayinterview.
So when I'm seeing Joe executethe interview and some of the
stuff he was doing and the wayhe had Ray comfortable.

(29:12):
I was even questioning myself.
I was like damn, could I dothat?

Speaker 2 (29:18):
That was an excellent super chat question, but I'm
going to go a different route,just kind of thinking about what
you all were saying.
I'm going to say the indictmentyou said all of us I'm going to
put the indictment on us as thefans.
The reason being is because youknow we're waxing poetic about
this Joe Rogan interview and itdeserves that.

(29:38):
But it's been a lot of timeswhere our artists go don't go to
hip-hop publications, go to awhite publication or something
that we not consider the otherculture in hip-hop, and then we
up in arms about it and we sayyo, why they go over there
instead of coming over here.
But if you know if thatpublication or you know
interviewer is putting out abetter product, then why not?

(30:00):
We got to be consistent likedon't you want the final result
to be the best that it can be,or your artists that you love
and support get the most shineor whatever?
Yeah, they should be helpingout homegrown hip hop platforms.
Yeah, but if they could put outa better product somewhere else
, if the other platform is goingto do more research and you
know, put forth you know abetter effort in the interview,

(30:24):
then'll say why not?
But we got to be consistent inthat because a lot of times we
play both sides of it.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
No, I hear what you're saying, ag.
I don't mean it like we're notdoing our job.
I'm just saying like it verymuch came off like a hip-hop
journalist having a conversationwith one of our icons, and when
our quote unquote hip hopwriters slash media

(30:53):
personalities do those types ofinterviews.
Sometimes it comes off likethey're just trying to ask the
hot questions to go viral.
Ask the hot questions to goviral, and this day and they,
the person themselves are inpositioning themselves to be the
star just as much as the personthat they are interviewing.
And this interview gave offnone of that shit and it felt

(31:17):
refreshing and I think thatthing that's where I'm saying it
feels like an indictment alittle bit, because it's like,
oh well, it's like this feelslike a little bit more of a
refreshing interview in terms ofthe perspective being offered.
And why aren't my other hip hopjournalists that were there
around the same time Joe Roganwas?
Because they're around the sameage that he is, no, you know?

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, I'm just saying let's, let's, let's judge the
product off its own merit.
You know what I mean?
Because because if it works,then it's all good, like because
joe rogan, he knocked it out ofthe park.
But say, if somebody you know,I'm just throwing rolling stone
out there, or whatever, somebodygoes over the rolling stone and
then they put out one of themtype interviews, like you're
talking about coop, and thenwe're like yo, why did they go
over there?
Anyway, they shouldn even bemessing with it.

(32:03):
They shouldn't be messing witha hip-hop publication.
So I just think, instead ofjust saying that as a blanket
statement, those other type ofpublications that may not be of
the culture can put out a goodproduct.
But let's judge it on its ownmerit instead of grouping
everybody together.
Because before this happened, alot of people wouldn't have
thought that Joe Rogan couldhave produced, like you know,

(32:24):
one of these type interviews forone of our greats.
So that's what.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
I'm saying, see, I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
He's done some good stuff before I think this was no
, we know that, people who aretapped in, but I'm just saying
the average person probablywould the average person from
our culture probably isn'ttapped in to see how many of our
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Rog probably isn't tapped in to see how many of our
exactly broken his interviewcopy understood.
I did think that there weresome interesting things I want
to highlight before we slide.
You.
Cool with that, right quick,sure, I think.
Uh, joe rogan with the wholebrand new heavies thing and
playing the cool g rap song, Ithink that and the rikers thing,
ag were the two big buy-ins.
I'm glad that you bought up therikers thing, but I think the
the brand new Heavies thing andRay being put on to a Cool G rap

(33:06):
song by Joe Rogan, I think thatkind of made Ray sit back and
go like, oh, okay, like okay.
I see you out here.
I think, ray, referencing themovie Once Upon a Time in
America is important, because Ifeel like the purple tape is
kind of built like that way.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
That's what they built it off of.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
It feels like the purple tape.
As soon as you said that, Isaid that's the purple tape.
Yeah, so like for those thathaven't watched Once Upon a Time
in America.
I mean, he made some Scarfacereferences a couple of times,
but I think his motif as awriter is based off when he even
said I'm into telling storiesaround this time when he's

(33:45):
talking about making cream.
I think that's that once upon atime in America.
It's that slow, woven,intricate story.
That's what he specializes in.
It's one of his specialties asa writer.
When he's breaking down the WuTang and explaining how like the
Wu Tang got kicked out ofShaolin, like they were wild,
they were the rebels, and howRZA based the whole thing
actually on the uh, the shaolinversus wu-tang movie, which

(34:06):
actually ended up being the nameof one of ray's albums.
I thought they were veryinsightful.
Ray likes billy joel most ofour rap icons billy joel's great
.
By the way, shout out to andrewfor putting me on the more billy
joel stuff.
Um, shout out to Andrew forputting me on the more Billy
Joel stuff.
Andrew, most of our icons inthis sphere listen to stuff

(34:30):
outside of this sphere andadmire other people outside of
this sphere.
So I thought that wasencouraging to hear from
somebody like Ray, because Ithink that's the type of thing
that makes the people who followRay maybe want to expand their
musical ear.
I thought that was dope.
Last but not least, when hesaid the beat is everything.
When he said the beat iseverything, I'm thinking like

(34:54):
this is one of our best, likelyricists and storytellers
saying like oh no, no, no, itdon't work.
It's like the beat don't workwith it.
I think that's just somethingthat, like, we need to keep in
mind about how much the beatmatters and also, too, it's a
group effort.
When he's bringing up the creamverse, he's talking about raid
and meth, like the dude fromtheir neighborhood, raid who
ended up going to prison, Iguess, right, and so he's

(35:21):
talking about that moment andhow Kareem came together.
And he's talking about that Tomand Jerry moment.
Like most of these moments,they just come from like, like.
Here's why people understandthis, not not calling it the
hood.
Here's why, like the blackneighborhood and the diaspora of
it, is so important theintangible and inherent ideas

(35:42):
that come out of it when he'sexplaining it and telling you
these stories about how it'shappening.
You know it's not on some likeoh, we sat down and just thought
of it.
It's conversational, it'shappening, live.
He's like cream.
Why are you calling it cream?
You know Tom and Jerry, withthe sandwich stacked up where he
put the cream on it.
I want all that Like he'ssaying like on it.

(36:02):
I want all that he's saying Iwant that big fat sandwich.
I want to eat good, I want allthe cream.
That's a moment.
That's happening, live.
That's real life.
That's where the inspirationfor it comes from.
If you're not living in thosecircumstances, that inspiration
doesn't exist.
He's explaining how the poetryreally comes to life.
It was a beautiful thing,gentlemen.

(36:23):
It really.
Really was the Q-tip and LeoDiCaprio thing, yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah, I heard that story before.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yeah, the whole GZA turning down the Juice crew.
That was wild.
Odb wanted to be Biz MarquisRay essentially doing the video
treatment.
The triumph with RZA.
There were jewels all over thisone.
Okay, had a great time withthat one.
Gentlemen, we're going to slideto the next topic.

(36:53):
We got new music down here inthe A Lil Baby Wham.
Who Hard Is Me.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Awesome, that's crazy .
I was about to say big pause.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
And you said that so effortlessly.
Let's not extrapolate upon itfurther.
No, let's not do that.
Let's not do that at all.
Let's not do that.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Don's not do that at all.
Don't even use the word strapLike.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
I don't want to say anything.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Extra Super chats, super chats.
Before we go any further, weneed a break.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
We need a real pause.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
No, we need a real pause.
We need a real pause for thesuper chats.
Raising head $4.99 super chat.
Appreciate you, raising head.
Could you all give your topthree hip hop interviews?
Doggy Diamonds, Petey Crackinterview is high on my list.
Rayvon Crash Out, Joey inTrouble.
Lord Vakai with the $1.99 superchat on that, with the Joey and

(37:59):
Ray talk.
We're going to get to that.
Patience is power.
We're getting to that.
Ag going to get to that.
Patience is power, we'regetting to that AG.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
what are your thoughts on Wham?
Oh, and just on that super chat, that'll take some thinking.
We'll have to get back to youon that.
On the interviews, man, becauseman, I'd have to take it back
to the Rap City basement or UMTVRap Days for the interview I
was thinking about that Ice Cubeinterview that he did when he
had the Afro Not the Jerry Curlinterview but the Afro interview
.
Yeah, I just seen him onTwitter the other day with a

(38:28):
little Richard hairstyle.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
He almost fell to my top 10 for that man.
We don't want to smoke the icecube.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
I saw that.
No, but Q is my guy man, I loveQ.
Yeah, 73 is crazy.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
But no.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Wham.
All right, let's talk aboutthat.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Got some wham from Ms Parker at 73.
I ain't talking about thatSorry, all right.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Okay.
So, I'm going to try to saythis and not be disrespectful,
but I think that Lil Baby's falloff needs to be studied.
Man Fall off needs to bestudied.
Man Fall off needs to bestudied yes.
Because, dude, you got to chillwith the ice coupe.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
I'm stirring, I'm stirring the old fashioned.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Lil Baby was supposed to be the next up after.
You know, drake hung it up andstuff and Dude was blazing
everything he was on and me andmy son was listening to this
album together and we both wasjust like man, this is really
not it.
And my son alluded to somethingthat I hadn't really thought
about, but he was right.
He said Little Baby's better asa feature artist.

(39:41):
You check for him.
He blazes everything he gets on, but he was like really for his
own projects they're really notit.
Like I'd rather put on a Gunnaalbum you know what I'm saying
ten times over than to put on aLil Baby project.
And this project wasn't reallyno different.
Like the highlight maybe waswhen 21 said his little bar to

(40:04):
Kendrick or whatever, but itreally was nothing that I took
away from this album after acouple of listens that I really
rocked with and I hate to saythat because I really thought
Lil Baby was next up a handfulof years ago, but I don't think
that's the case now.
Man, he's not on that list ofguys that's going to carry the
torch further after this currentbig three decides to call it

(40:25):
quits.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Sean, I'm going to let you go.
Ag, I have some notes that arecomparable to yours that I'm
going to piggyback off ofmomentarily, but I'm going to
let Sean go, cause even thoughSean tries to play me as the
hater of the show- I thoughtabout this as I was flying home.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
I wanted to be very respectful.
No, you didn't.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
It was insane.
He's a liar.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
I'm going to tell you like this.
This is how I felt when I waslistening to it.
I'm like I'm trying to find areason to give something
lightening and I find myselflike thinking to myself like man
, r&b is dead.
That was the most randomthought I had.
That's how much I felt about.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
What the hell are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Exactly.
It had nothing to do with LilBaby album.
That's how I felt when I waslistening to it.
It had nothing to do with LilBaby album.
That's how I felt when I waslistening to it.
It had nothing to do with thealbum because I was like yo, r&b
is dead.
So I started finding myselflistening to some R&B music.
As I was flying, I stumbled onremember that song with Zayn and
Taylor Swift I Don't Want toLive Forever.
Remember that song.

(41:41):
You know that song.
Yeah, zayn left earth on thatsong, but anyhow, that's where I
went to.
I went to I don't want to liveforever because I don't want to
live in any pain and I don'twant to feel forever because I
just want to keep calling yourname until you come back home.
That's where I went to afterlistening to Lorde Babies,
honestly, and the only thingthat stand out to me was Future,

(42:02):
yeah, Futureverse.
And I realized, like yo, I'm aFuture fan.
I started I'm a Future fan andI wanted to hear more Future
after I listened to Zayn andTaylor Swift, because I'm like
baby, little baby is done.

(42:23):
I don't think he can regain themomentum.
He has an album coming out.
He announced I think he had twomore albums coming out, that he
announced he's going to do thejoint with Future.
We'll see how that goes.
He has something else comingout, To AG's point.
I'm going to say this and passit to you he was projected to be
the one.
He's still going to do numbers.

(42:44):
I think he's projected to do130.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
He is doing numbers.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
He's going to do numbers, yeah he is, that fan
base still support him.
I don't know if it's theproduction, I don't know if it's
missing something else, butit's just not it.
Fellas, for me it's not it.
So again, cool.
I know this is the A, you mayhave a different opinion on it,
but I don't know.

(43:07):
I think, aj, you're right.
You might have to study thatfall off a little baby, if it
wasn't even a fall off.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
But that was the most scenic route explanation to get
to.
This is not it.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
I'm trying to be better in 2025.
Y'all say I hate y'all, I betalking crazy.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
So I'm trying to do my best.
The R&B Zayn, Taylor Swift.
That's crazy just to get to Saythat.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
They went crazy.
You want to know what.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
That soliloquy by Sean.
We should just call that thelong road to hate.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
The road not taken.
This is the long road to hate.
This is a labyrinth.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Sean went to a labyrinth, just to hate the road
not taken.
This is the long road to hate.
This is the sequel.
Actually this is the prequel tothe sequel.
The sequel coming soon, becauseyou're going to hate some more
in 2025.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Bro went through a whole labyrinth just to say this
, ain't it?

Speaker 1 (44:03):
He's going to have a whole trilogy and a whole series
.
He's going to have a box setbefore.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Oh man, Sam Bowie.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
I did it for Sam Bowie David Bowie, over here.
I did it for Tripan CJ man.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, okay, shout out to CJ.
Okay, we're going to get toCJ's $5 Super Chat and then I'm
going to tell you my thoughts.
I hope this dub East versusWest part two topic is the main
event topic and not sevenminutes, as I'm waiting on that
topic like the New Year's balldrop.
We got you, cj.
Please sit tight, hey, cj.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Man CJ time in our segments.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Right Breathing exercises, brother Breathing
exercises, shit.
Okay, here's what I think.
First off, I want to piggybacksome of your dope points, ag.
One of my notes was these dudesostracizing Gunna in Atlanta is
hurting the Atlanta music scene.

(45:03):
It isn't my overall take ofAtlanta music since this whole
Gunna came home.
I don't care what anybody says.
The music in the city has notbeen as good for these artists
down here from this generation,and him not being around has a
large part to do with it.
Whether you like it, love it orhate it, If we're talking about

(45:24):
the music for this generation,he's the best artist to come out
this city.
That includes 21 Savage.
That includes Lil Baby.
That includes a post-prime thugOkay, so him not being part of
these projects that we've beenhearing from 21 and now from Lil

(45:46):
Baby, like no, they gotsomething to do with it.
Don't tell me I've got nothingto do with it, because it don't
sound the same.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
That's what my son was saying basically.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
It doesn't sound the same and you want to know what
really doesn't sound the same.
Well, sean, thank you for asking.
I was about to get to it.
Anyway.
It's the production.
Gunn is the best beat pickertoo.
He's the best hook writer andthe best beat picker.
You're losing the best beatpicker and the best hook writer
from not even having gun around.
It's not even about if he's onthe track sometime.

(46:15):
It's about having a guy likethat around sometimes, like when
you're working on your projectand he and you're running stuff
back for him and he like no, no,no.
He's like no, no, no.
Spit those rhymes, but spitthem over that beat.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Let me ask you this, cooper Are you talking about, as
a comparison you're talkingabout the Benny and the Conway
projects, when Westside doesn'thave his fingerprints on those?

Speaker 1 (46:41):
No, this is what I mean about the fingerprints of
it.
I mean it on both sides.
I mean it on the artist sideand on that side.
Not having him around on bothsides is problematic.
Okay, I got you.
Even when he is featuring onthis the artist side and on that
side, Not having him around onboth sides is problematic.
Even when he is featuring onthese albums, some of the higher
level songs that are trending,that are moving, that are
bangers guess who's on them?

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Not accidental.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
He's usually doing the hooks on the records.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Is that not a problem within himself?
Is that not a problem withinhimself?
Is that not a problem withinitself?
Because now you're leaning onone entity to curate a strong
sound for the entire region.
Is that not a?

Speaker 1 (47:19):
problem.
Everybody has somebody that's aleader in their region.
It's just like how about this?
Because of Thug and Future'spresence.
Nobody ever really gave it toGunna like that because of the
presence of it.
Because here's the thing, youhave to understand something.
When TI's run in the city wasover, he gladly told people it's
like no, no, no.
Future's like the king.
Now you know what I'm saying.

(47:39):
Future gladly tell you no, no,no.
Thug the man.
Now, Because of how all thisunfolded, nobody's being like
Gunna's the man.
Now you feel me?
Yeah, that's really what it is.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
I'm rocking with what you're saying, Coop, because
even with Method man and hisimprint on a lot of the Woo
stuff, there's not a Woo albumout there that doesn't have
Method man on there.
That's a classic.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
All the high-level classic Woo albums have Method
man on them have.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Method man in common, right?

Speaker 1 (48:13):
So you're kind of saying the same with Gunn, and
their highest level albums havehim featuring very like his best
stuff is on their best albums.
That's not an accident.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Nah, I'm rolling, I'm rolling with it.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah, gunn is very much the same way.
And AG you actually took one ofmy notes he is very much like
method man was because thiscollective down here, this new
era, has been very Wu Tang ishin terms of how they have kind
of rolled separately buttogether and in their little
clicks and combos and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
But he's been the guy that kindof makes it pop pop.

(48:47):
Very much like meth.
So it's like how about this?
Well, you don't have a purpletape without an ice cream hook
and a meth verse and anothermeth hook.
No, you don't.
You don't have a liquid swordswithout shadow boxing no, you
don't.
And that back and forth onliving in the world today, is it
a classic?
Probably.
Is it like top five in thepurple tapes case case and top

(49:10):
20 in Liquid?
No, it's not.
It's not those things withoutmeth.
That's what's happening to alot of people.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
It makes a difference .

Speaker 1 (49:17):
It makes a difference .
It's that icing on top, becauseI'll tell you what this album
isn't bad.
And this is the next point thatI want to bring up AG.
When you talked about him as afeature artist, you know Jeezy's
one of my favorite guys.
I've been listening to TM103 alot lately and I love 103, but

(49:40):
my problem with 103 when it cameout and the reason why I don't
hold it as high as the Recessionand 101 and why I still say
it's his third best album, isbecause he needed the features
to make it pop.
The songs that have thefeatures are the best records on
103 and Jeezy used to have abalance where he used to be
great with the features andgreat with the solo shots and

(50:04):
both.
And on 103 it was the firsttime I heard the slippage where
I was like, oh, the songs whereit's really just you, they're
not as strong anymore, right,and even the songs where
somebody's singing the hook,it's hit or miss, like Leave you
Alone with Ne-Yo, hit Trappedwith Jill Scott.

(50:24):
Eh, you know what I'm saying,and so I feel like some of that
happened with this album.
The best moments are when hehas help which is dumb, dumb and
dumber with Future and ThugRedbone with Glow.
What's the joint with Trav?
Stuff with Trav like the jointwith 21.

(50:48):
I used to say the Lil Baby wasbetter than 21.
The biggest problem with thisproject too, outside of the
production on the other side ofit is the fact that Lil Baby
hadn't gotten any better guys.
When I heard him and 21 rappingright next to each other four
years ago, lil Baby was a betterrapper than 21.
It's four years later and 21 isclearly a better rapper than
Lil Baby.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
21 has progressed.
21 is clearly a better rapperthan Lil Baby.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
21 has progressed 21 is a progress.
Lil Baby's flow, delivery,cadence approach.
None of it has improved.
Am I wrong in saying that?
No, I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Your girl Glorilla, mopped him up on that.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Sean.
You know I got notes over herehow you feel about I literally
said I put Sean in parentheses.
I got notes over here how youfeel about I literally said I
put Sean in parentheses.
I said glow strikes again, sean.
I put glow strikes again, sean.
Yeah, I did.
It's note number three on here,sean.
I said glow strikes again, sean.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yes she did, she did, she mopped them up on the
feature.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
She really did.
She really did.
She know how to make a bangerman.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Yeah, she mopped him up.
Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
So Thug's stunning on you.
Future's stunning on you.
Future's stunning on you.
Glow's stunning on you.
21's stunning on you Trav youwant to know what Trav is.
Here's where Trav is most likeKanye.
You're going into Trav's world,even if it's your album.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
You going with Trav you?

Speaker 1 (52:10):
going with Trav, like you going with me, like where
we going?
You going with me, nigga, it'slike it's my album, nigga,
didn't nobody ask you that?

Speaker 3 (52:16):
You going with?

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Trav.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
So Trav's stunting.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Trav's stunting on him just stylistically wise,
because he like, yeah, we stillgoing to do my shit.
We gonna do me on your album.
Yeah, we going like that.
But that's a bad place to be inwhen the best part of your
album is like everybody elsethat's on it.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
You don't have any shining moments, so that's the
problem that's the problem soI'll say this it's like it's not
a bad project, but if hedoesn't have these features, I
would tell you it's a badproject and I find that part
about it to be problematic.
Yeah, but if he doesn't havethese, features.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
I would tell you it's a bad project and I find that
part about it to be problematic.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, R&B is dead.
I can't with this dude man.
Yeah, man.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
That's why nobody likes you.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
I'm just saying it's dead man.
R&b is dead.
R&b is dead man.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Let's go to the next topic.
Unless y'all got something else, no, all right.
So Young Noble from the Outlawsreleased Euthanasia, a scathing
seven-minute and ten-seconddiss towards the guy that all

(53:28):
three of us concur is thegreatest MC of all time.
Now I want to be veryjournalistic with how I approach
it, so I'm going to ask aquestion before we go any
further, if I may.
Is that okay?
Sure, is this all about aHennessy line at the end of a
rap song?
Please tell me it's rap song.

(53:49):
Please tell me that it's.
Please tell me it's somethingdeeper, please tell me.
Please tell me Nas was like ata show in Cali or at one of his
cribs in Cali, or like at ahotel in Beverly Hills and like
they had a run in and it didn'tgo well and like tell me, tell
me, like, tell me somethingreally happened.
Tell me it wasn't the Hennessyline.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
If you don't mind, sean, may I go Please?
He's citing a few things.
He's citing the inconsistencieswith people's stories, with the
incident at Bryant Park a fewdays before Pac's death, where
Nas and Tupac met up as generalsand, you know, squashed the
beef and they was supposed totake.

(54:31):
You know the disses uh, againstnas off of macavel, yada, yada,
yada.
Um, it's a lot of differentaccounts.
Um, snoop has an account whichnas itself has said nah, he had
it wrong.
Um, we've heard outlaws account, we've had heard wiz, we've
heard jungle, we've heard naz.
It's, this story has a lot oflore behind this, one of

(54:53):
hip-hop's more you know, uh,fabled stories.
But at the end of the day, tohave an opinion on that, and
there's somebody behind theevents of that, when you was
just playing the back and wasoperating off somebody else's
orders, you wasn't one of thegenerals up in the front.
You know what I'm saying,calling the shots, you was just
going to operate on somebodyelse's orders.

(55:14):
I think it's just totallyasinine, especially to do it 30
years later.
And he's citing stuff that Nassaid off of, you know, the cure
on King's disease, one, you knowI saw Pac's belly.
You know I'm not going to sayhe bit off my chain I'm
paraphrasing because I copiedhis stomach, you know.
Um, so he's saying that not, uh, pock had his macaveli chain

(55:36):
first, which is, if you look athistory it's untrue.
Um, I think this started on theart of dialogue where they were
interviewing young noble andthey came to the conclusion that
nas didn't have his qb pieceuntil 1999 when the QB's finest
album dropped.
But we go back to 96.
It Was Written, was releasedwhen the beginning of July 2000,

(55:58):
I'm sorry, the beginning ofJuly 1996.
There's a Rap City interviewout with Big Les where Destiny
is sitting on Nas' lap.
During the interview they're ata restaurant.
Nas clearly has the QB piece onand then it was written it's
going to be released.
They're talking about therelease of the album.
So that's, you know, a momentin time that actually exists,

(56:21):
that shows that he had this inJune or July of 96 and then Pac
was killed in September of 96.
So Noble is insisting that Nassaw Pac's piece and then, you
know, copied him.
But that's neither here northere.
But the funny thing is he lostme at the line.

(56:42):
I see through you like pee, peeand doo doo that, that, that
line right there.
We got to use that for the barseminar.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (56:53):
All jokes aside, for this to be seven minutes and you
holding on to this BS for 30years and you doing this for
seven minutes, that's justinsane and crazy to me.
And I tried to wrap around myhead, like wrap my head around
Sorry, what would.
Why would he do this?
Because it's easy to say, okay,he's right, but that's the easy

(57:13):
way out that's the easy way out,yep but I came into a
legitimate answer that I thinkrings true, and we're going to
get to this in a minute.
We're seeing, we've seen aresurgence of the west coast
after the Kendrick and Drakebattle and then, you know, some
things have awakened with Eastand West tension.

(57:36):
We're going to talk about it,joey going at the West Coast,
some West Coast responding.
So why not jump on this waveand diss one of the East Coast
most prominent artists, arguablythe GOAT?
I'm from the.
Well, noble isn't even from theWest Coast, let's get that

(57:57):
clear.
First, he's from Jersey but herepresents.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Hold on AG.
So are you saying that this issome art of war going on right
now?

Speaker 2 (58:08):
That's the only thing I can come up with.
Maybe I'm giving him too muchcredit.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
They're like hold on.
They're like, since we winning,we going to burn the village.
That's what we doing, that'swhat they're doing.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
But that's why.
That's why it's nasty, becausehe's from Jersey.
But ever since they used toride with pot and I give outlaws
more credit than most people do, most people didn't even want
the Outlaws on them songs backthen on Machiavelli and All Eyes
on Me they would fast forwardpast the Outlaws parts.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
To be honest with you , it hurts the classic status of
both of those projects, in myopinion.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Right, but they align themselves with the West Coast,
even though they're Jersey cats.
So I really think that they'retrying to ride this west coast
wave and dissing one of newyork's most prominent artists.
I think that's what's happeningright now, because why else
would you be bringing upsomething so petty after 30
years?

Speaker 1 (59:00):
can I ask you something?
Do you think that there isactually a monetary gain to be
had for?

Speaker 2 (59:09):
this.
No, and dude, look, he disabledthe comments on all his socials
, on his YouTube video, on hisIG, he disabled the comments.
So it's just listen, thinkabout it, it's almost damn near
30 years addressing an eventthat's 30 years old.
And you tell the person you'readdressing they got 24 hours to
respond and you're 30 years toolate.

(59:29):
And tell the person you'readdressing they got 24 hours to
respond and you 30 years toolate.
And then you don't want to takethe backlash of your diss
record and you disable commentsso the fans can't tell you how
they really feel about it.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
come on dog.
These niggas is super old, they50 something like.
My first thought was was likereal talk, told to be doing this
shit.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Yeah yeah, and and drop the young off your name,
bro.
You are not young, nobleanymore.
I don't even know if you'renoble, you're not.
Neither You're not young andyou're not noble.
But this, 30 years after anevent that took place, that's
just wild to me, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
How about this.
If we want to talk aboutsomebody actually making an
impact for the West and tryingto checkmate the gate some, then
let's talk about our next topic, which is TDE's, Ray Vaughn's,
LA Leaker's freestyle this ain'tit.

(01:00:28):
This ain't it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
I really shouldn't have gave it that much Attention
.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
But I don't want to give it any more.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Way too much attention.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Trash.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Okay, so LA Leakers Freestyle by TDE's Ray Vaughn.
Um, gentlemen, you mind If Ikick this off, actually go ahead
um, I have some, some hip-hopthoughts.
Before we get into the rayversus joey talk, I'm gonna I'm
gonna kind of like digress toyou all for some of the ray and

(01:01:01):
joey talk because I just want tokind of fundamentally go over
some things.
First of all, I did this.
I did find this freestyle to beimpressive.
It is the West sticking thechest out.
I feel like the West has abattery in his back right now.
I think it is reflecting in howthe MCs are showing up and
showing out right now.
I think that that's a real thing.

(01:01:22):
It's momentum, just like whenwe talk about basketball and
football and baseball teams andhow momentum carries.
This is a momentum moment thatcarries because it's like, oh no
, like you can tell he's got thefervor in the fire right now
and then you can tell that thecity's on fire and that he's on
fire about it, you know, and soI like that part about it.

(01:01:42):
There is something about him asan MC that comes off something
like Meek Mill to me which makesme worry.
Like he knows how to ride thebeat but he kind of like raps
over the beat and I don't knowif he knows how to rap through
the beat yet, but we gonna findout soon.
But he is talented.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
It was impressive do you think that was the selection
?
Because I mean it's over theheart, part six.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
So he chose.
You get to choose that stuff,he choosing, he the one that's
choosing to it.
Yeah, and I wasn't even talkingabout the one where he's
rapping over the hard part six.
I was really more talking abouthis approach and that's where I
heard the meek in it when hewas rapping over the feeling in
the air.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Oh, okay, no, I was talking about the joint where
he's addressing Joey over thehard part six.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
No, no, no, no, no.
I mean I mean we can get tothat part.
I kind of wanted to just toaddress like kind of something
like the rap part of it, becauseI did hear, like you know, see,
and the West is shining rightnow, it does need to be like
acknowledged and recognized.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
But what did you think joey should respond?
I like it, um, and you know,last episode we talked about
weight class, right with withthis records, and I saw a lot of
people responding like, yo, wedon't want to hear from you,
like you know, you coming offthe bench, we want to hear what
kendrick gotta say about whatjoey said, but then we spent all
last episode debating if joeywas in kendrick's weight class,
right, you know?
So, um, as far as uh, we'll getto daylight in a minute, but as

(01:03:16):
far as, like rayvon anddaylight versus joey for, like
you know, a low-key undercardbattle, that's something I would
like to see.
You know what I mean, because,let's be honest, I don't think
kendrick's going to respond.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Hold, on undercard battle to what?
What we just saw with drake's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Be honest, I don't think Kendrick's going to
respond.
Hold on underpowered battle towhat?
What we just saw with Drake andKendrick, because I don't think
Kendrick responds to this.
You know to what Joey said.
So I think this is.
You know, the people that'scoming out right now.
I think that's what we got.
You know to look forward to alittle back and forth with
Daylightvon joey if he respondsback because drake's star shines

(01:03:52):
so bright.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
the joey kendrick thing is still interesting to me
only from the perspective thatthe information that kendrick
probably has access to aboutdrake he doesn't have that same
access with joey fair, and sowhere is he going to draw the
inspiration from?
I told you, like I don't carewhat people say, this post to

(01:04:17):
Pimple Butterfly has beenKendrick's biggest stroke of
inspiration.
It's just based on anotherperson and not liking them and
them not liking each other, fora while.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
quite frankly, yeah, if you got this day for somebody
right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Where are you pulling your inspiration from?
Quite frankly, I don't give twofucks about.
I really don't.
I don't care because, like artis art at the end of the day,
when you pull it from is whereyou pull it from, and if that's
the place you got to pull itfrom, is where you pull it from,
and if that's the place yougotta pull it from, like it is
what it is.
All I'm saying is that, well,there's not as much

(01:04:54):
inspirational space and place topull it from with Joey, because
there's not as much access,there's not as much thread on
the tires, there's not as muchrumor mill, there's not as much
date and kid and girl and agegossip and all that stuff.
So what are you going to do ifJoey really steps to you and
makes like, let's say, joey wasto drop something not stillmatic

(01:05:18):
freestyle level, but comparablelike something that made you go
, ooh, be like, oh, that'sthat's like something.
Remember when you heard thestillmatic freestyle?
It's something that made you golike that's the Nas that I fuck
with.
What if Joey drops a dissrecord like that where it makes
you go, oh no, that's the Joeythat I, that's the dude I get
down with Hold on, kendrick,hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
I hear you, but that doorswings both ways, because with
the Stillmatic Freestyle it wastrue disdain for Jay there.
We don't know if Joey got truedisdain for Kendrick See don't.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
He never said that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
See, that's why I don't like these new guys as
much.
Muster some shit up, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
But you can, if it's not there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Jordan with the LeBron for Smith.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Look here.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
You can't, because what you're fighting for,
honestly what you're going after, because I'm going to read off
what CJ the Kid just sent me.
He said he can't send any moremoney this week.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Yo, you said more than enough, bro, we appreciate.
Appreciate it for real.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
Yeah, we appreciate that, CJ.
CJ thanks for the 50 piece manDaylight, ray Vaughn, jason
Martin Wolf, stoic Lit Poppy,mexican Guy, with all responses.
These are all the artists whohas responded to Joey in some
capacity.
I don't know half of those guys, really more than 95% of them.

(01:06:58):
I don't know who they are andnothing really hits hard.
Nothing stands out because itdoesn't have that oomph behind
it.
It doesn't have a realsituation behind it.
Think about it, guys, when wesaw remember the street war
battles on the mixtapes, thestreet tapes, mixed wars, all

(01:07:18):
the mixed wars, and you have ourfour mixtapes that had nothing
but diss records on people goingback and forth at each other,
there was some oomph behind it.
There was some real stuffbehind it because there was some
disdain for each other.
Either it was on a competitivelevel or it was on a personal
level.
Whatever the case may be, likeyou said, coop, earlier, you

(01:07:39):
don't have a lot on Joey.
I think one of them said likeyou got 24 hours to respond, or
maybe he's not going to respondbecause he's shooting something
for power.
That's all you got.
That's all you got on Joey.
So it'd be behooved for Joey notto come back out and say, okay,
if I threw the bait out there.
If it was bait, I need to comeout and take everybody out, but

(01:07:59):
specific ones, not Stoic or LilLady Poppy or whoever no
disrespect, but go after thenames that people know across
the board, because if you're notdoing that, you're just
throwing shots in the wind.
It doesn't mean anything.
Hip-hop is competitive, but itgot to make sense.
This doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
That's why I found the control verse so fascinating
, because, to your point, sean,it did seem like shots in the
wind.
Because Kendrick was comingwith competitive fervor.
He named names that everybodyyou know hold high.
You know marquee names and noneof those marquee names really
responded.
It was mostly the guys thatnobody cared to hear from, that

(01:08:43):
took offense and was respondingto it.
So is that what we're seeingall over again with this, you
know, with the responses to Joey?

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
I have various Everyone trying to get the jump
off.
Now this is my chance to showthat I'm a lyricist, that I can
rhyme, because now the spotlightis on me, Because without this
I'm not getting this kind ofattention.
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Here's the thing Joey is big enough that he's crafted
a lane for himself long enoughthat this move does feel like a
more competitive move, becausehe doesn't really need the cloud
.
He is good where he's at.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Right, he's good, he's a talented guy, right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
He's got motion, guys .
He's got enough going on, right, right, he's got motion guys,
he's got enough going on, right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Let me ask y'all this Do y'all know who Ray Vaughn
was before he made this record?
Do you know a couple of tracksfrom him?
Do you know his catalog?

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
No, not deep, but I know who he is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Yeah, I know who he was.
I wasn't into his catalog likethat, but I've heard him once in
a while.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Hey Sean, he's one of those guys that if I feel like
if I was out in Cali I wouldhave probably known who he was,
probably like two years agoprobably.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Right.
This is the most anyone put atalk about him in any capacity.
Well, mission accomplished.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Mission accomplished, but, like you said, it's levels
to it.
Like you said, last show we wasquestioning if Joey was on
Kendrick's level to be going tohim.
So now we, just a week later,questioning if Ray Vaughn is on
Joey's level to be going to him.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
So I mean, we definitely can't put him on
Joey's level just based on afreestyle.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
But Daylight on the other hand.
Daylight I checked for.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
But I was about to say, but we didn't think Common
was on Cube's level when he madethe bitch in you.
That's a very good point.
That's a very good point.
No, we did not.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
But we found out, we fucked around and we found out.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Yeah, we did, we all did, collectively as a hip-hop
community.
We were like who we were, likethe dude that made I Used to
Love Her.
It's like stop playing, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
That guy, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
All right.
You want to know what?
Yeah, we're going to get to thesuper chats.
You know, I kind of feel likethis Remember that scene from
the Godfather where Clemenza islike you know, like this war is
healthy, like we need to do thislike every seven to 10 years to
get the bad blood out.
It's like no, like in rap.
It's like I kind of was feelinglike the day.

(01:11:18):
It's like yeah, it's like, butwe kind of need to do this,
though, like this is like peopledon't understand this is based
on battling.
I don't care, it's based onbattling, I don't care, it's
based on battling, it was whothrew in the best block party.
Who the best break dancer, who'sthe best b-boy, who's the best

(01:11:39):
graffiti artist?
Who's the best DJ?
Who's the best MC?
It's been competitive fervorfrom the jump.
The whole competitive fervorwas created to prevent violence
from happening in ourcommunities.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
That's why.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
I love hip-hop so much, like when I became Like
I've always loved hip-hop, butwhen I was educated on the fact
that hip-hop From people fromNew York like, who were there,
like from the Bronx, fromBrooklyn, from Queens, from
Manhattan, from Long Island,from Staten Island it's from
Brooklyn, from Queens, fromManhattan, from Long Island,
from Staten Island told me no,coop, that's the shit that we
did so that I didn't have toslice a motherfucking neck open

(01:12:14):
with a knife, you know what I'msaying.
It's like no, put the knife down.
We about to brick dance rightnow.
I seen you up at such and suchand such on fucking fourth and
fucking.
You know how to dance.
We dancing this shit out.
Put the knife away.
You feel what I'm saying?
So the competitive fervor isbased on it being productive and
healthy to get all that angstthat exists in our community out

(01:12:39):
in a healthy way.
We just have to be so mindfulof it because of the Biggie and
Tupac thing, because outside ofthe Biggie and Tupac thing and
of the Biggie and Tupac thingand briefly, with Game and 50,
it's actually been healthy.
Like there have been instances,like there's the 50 job, like
there's instances.
But that happens in everyaspect of music.
You know how many of these rockstars and motherfucking party

(01:13:01):
did cocaine, fuck the same girlsand fought each other about it?
I went to a concert where Ipaid to see Maxwell and Erykah
Badu and Jill Scott came outbecause Maxwell had a problem
because he felt like Erykah wasstealing the show.
I said all of you niggas owe memoney.

(01:13:21):
Yeah, these are good seats.
I know, because I'm sittingnext to all the dope boys and I
know, I know the seats good, Iwant my money.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
R&B died when Sean breakdanced battled Sisko in a
club.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Come on, man, really, are you going to do that?

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
No, that sounds about right.
Hey, hold on, All jokes aside,I don't know how we keep on
getting to Sisko in the show.
You know Sisko comes into oneof my jobs.
I getting to Cisco in this show.
You know Cisco comes into oneof my jobs.
I've been taking care of Ciscofor years.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
He's a really, really nice guy he is.
That's why I keep telling youno, no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
I'm not joking or exaggerating when I'm saying
that Cisco is a really nice guywhen you see him.
Facetime me next time you seehim.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Knowing your nefarious behavior, that's what
I won't be doing.
But as far as platinum andmulti-platinum selling artists
go one of the nicest guys thatyou'll ever meet, like during
Christmas there'll be yearswhere he'll come through the job
and the people who have likethe hourly jobs that don't make

(01:14:23):
as much as like my job.
He'll hand all of them like$100 bills for like the holidays
and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
Yeah, we humbled him.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Yeah, let me go over Sean Tello himself, but to your
point.
To your point, though.
That's why I like Daylight'sresponse to Joey better, because
that let's get to that briefly.
Yeah, because that was centeredmore around like he led with
love.

(01:14:51):
It's like okay, I see you, Ihear you, but we got, we at the
on the West Coast, we got thebelt right now.
You know, y'all had it for atime.
So you just got to recognizewhen we have it or you know, we
can square up and battle it out,you know.
So Daylight's response was more.
So Daylight's response was moreon that tip Like yo just, you

(01:15:14):
know, tip your cap to us becausewe got it right now.
Y'all had it and I showed theEast Coast love.
But you know what I'm saying,just recognize what we're doing.
So that's why I like hisresponse better.
But you know, and I'm glad y'allalluded to the previous battles
where it got out of hand and itbecomes coastal, and I gotta

(01:15:34):
take my hat off to Sean.
Like in the earliest stages ofthe Drake and Kendrick battle he
said, like you know this wasafter the TaylorMade freestyle.
He's like I don't like wherethis is going, because this is
going to become a West Coastversus you know whatever kind of
thing, and once those lines aredrawn it gets dicey.

(01:15:54):
So Sean said that months ago,like leading into the summer,
and we were here now Right andum.
You look back at previousbattles, like you know, big and
pop, you know Nas and Jay didn'tgo outside of Queens and
Brooklyn.
You know what I'm saying,because that was a battle for

(01:16:14):
New York supremacy and like youknow their placement all the
time.
But when you get people fromdifferent regions, you get all
these people throwing their twocents in that don't even really
belong.
So that's kind of where it iswhat I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
So that that's kind of where I feel.
I feel like doz and jay's beefis transcendent, because it
happened right at the moment intime where hip-hop had become a
multi-million dollar entity forthe mc has.
Then you have a multitude ofrappers going multi-platinum for
the first time, not just ahandful of guys.
It's like, oh well, no, no,I've got multi-platinum for the
first time, not just a handfulof guys.
It's like, oh well, no, nas gotmulti-platinum plaques, jay got

(01:16:54):
them, ja Rule got them, nellygot them, ludacris got them,
jeezy got them, ti got them,wayne got them, game sold 5
million records, 50 sold 10million records.
M selling all these wildrecords.
It was a glorious time Puff andBad Boy selling six, seven
million records off no Way.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Out.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Even the Lox going platinum DMX selling three, four
, five, you know, like that hadnever happened before In 1992,
the only motherfuckers goingmulti-platinum Ice Cube Snoop
and Dre.
Next Ice Cube Snoop and Dre.
Ice Cube Snoop and Dre.
Next, ice Cube, snoop and Dre.
Ice Cube, snoop and Dre, likethat whole early mid-90s thing,

(01:17:34):
that 92 to 94, it's like multiplatinum guys.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Another time the West had it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Not gold, not platinum Multi.
I'm telling 2, 3, 4, 5.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
But are we really mad that the West got it right now?
Because that's at a time wherethey had it?
Then they had to sit throughthe East Coast and then the
South having their reign.
So if they got it now, it'sbeen two decades plus since they
had the belt.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Okay, you want to know what's funny about this,
and this is what I mean.
It's funny that we did this Reyinterview and now we're talking
about this West thing.
Let's keep it honest with theWest thing.
When we're talking about theWest much like when we talk
about the head, and the head isKendrick Kendrick winning this

(01:18:26):
battle is really the thingthat's putting the West over the
top with this.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
He galvanized them, he galvanized the West.
But I told Sean, remember Icalled you the morning that the
TaylorMade freestyle came outand I said, outside of the AI
aspect of it, I said himbringing Pac and Snoop in it.
You know, and all that, sayingall that stuff about the West
Coast, was the worst and moststupidest thing he could do.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
Remember, I said that Unified, yep, unified them.
He helped whatever issues theyhad.
They'd push it to the side andsay it's time to click up, and
you can't have that with aregion that still has pride,
because the East Coast you'reonly thinking about new york,
where it's at the expense.
Where's philly, philly?
Jump in right, I mean part ofthe east coast.

(01:19:15):
So I mean it.
Just, you got a whole, a wholecoast, a city at this point,
right, even with drake.
Drake is kind of all over theplace.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
So you're not from new york right?
He's all over the place.
Drake's not from New York, he'sall over the place.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
So it's not like he has a specific origin other than
shout out to Canada or whateverToronto.
That's about it.
You want to know what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
And people don't really talk about this ever.
And this is what I mean abouthow Drake has hip-hop tendencies
.
Well, he spent most of hiscareer rapping over 40 beats.
40 beats are definitely verymuch RZA and Havoc inspired guys
.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Yeah, I would say more.
Kanye 808s are inspired.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Yeah, because Kanye did to control a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
That still goes back to RZA.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
to me, though, yeah, Kanye off RZA tree.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
The style was so blended that it didn't have
origin.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
The Chop Soulful sample.
To me, you know what I'm saying.
The choppiness of it is RZA.
So when you're talking aboutthe Chop Soul sample that Kanye
does well, that's RZA.
If you're just talking about ahorn soul sample, that's Pete
Rock.
But if you're talking aboutchopping it and freaking it and
playing with it, that's RZA tome.
But like we talk about, likechopping it and freaking it and

(01:20:31):
like playing with it, that's RZAto me, you know.
So even if it is Kanye, it'sstill like off that RZA tree.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
And so it's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
East Coast sounding is what I'm saying.
But Joey's stance on the WestCoast, I think would be more
appropriate if the victim, likeyou just said, coop Drake's not
from New York, drake's fromCanada.
So, joey Stance, I think wouldbe more appropriate if the
victim was an East Coast rapper.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
But that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Yeah, but that's what I mean about the competitive
fervor.
It's just like no, he's fromNew York and he just don't like
that shit.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Fair enough.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
I liked it, he don't like it.
That's what I mean.
Yeah, that's because hip hop islike.
Based on that, it's like no, Idon't, I don't like that.
They think that they betterthan me.
Like what up?
Squabble up, squabble up.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
It's not like even in the West Coast.
East Coast beat back in the 90s.
Pop was the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
You don't think squabble up is a low key Shit
talking song to the East Coast.
You don't think Squabble Up isa low-key shit-talking song to
the East Coast.
Though you don't think it's alow-key, a little bit of a
battle cry, squabble Up.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
I've never looked at it like that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
I don't see it like that.
I don't think that's Kendrick'sintention.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
See some of my people .
They're talking away.
It's like oh nigga, you got aproblem, you want to squab.
So when you're saying somethinglike that, when you're saying
squabble up, it's like who theytalking squabble up to.
They ain't talking about otherniggas on the West.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
But I think Kendrick got too much love for the East
Coast to like you know what I'msaying be in that mode.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
He has a lot of chops in the East.
He's not going to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
He his most West album and never understate his
West Coast tendencies.
His West Coast tendency is hisWest birth.
What is still his best album,in my opinion?
In Good Kid Mad City.
His West Coast tendencies arestrong when he chooses them.
It's what he does best, in myopinion, guys, when he's on his
West Coast shit, that's whenhe's at his best to me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
But to play devil's advocate I mean going back to
the control verse he did spark alittle controversy on the East
Coast when he said I'm the kingof New York.
You know he was quoting thecorrupt line.
You know I have both coasts onein each hand.
Juggle them both.
So he was paraphrasing corrupt.
But a lot of people came at himover that.

(01:22:47):
Who didn't?
Did he go at him over that lineabout being the King of New
York back then?

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
So yeah, again, hip hop became too ubiquitous across
the nation.
Everything was blurred.
Did you slide?
Ubiquitous in.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Did you slide it in?
Did you slide it in?

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
Ubiquitous.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
My vocabulary is ridiculous sometimes that was
nice, that was very well woven,I was impressed.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Slang is editorial.
You know who that is Coop.
Explicit material.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
See, we progress.
Much like the song we fall down, we fall down, but we get up.
We fall down, but we get up.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
But this is the first time we've seen lines drawn in
hip-hop Because it needs tohappen.
It needs to happen.
This town is so blended now.
Everything is even.
Like you said.
This is the first time in along time that Kendrick made a
West Coast.
Sign it out.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
Yes, it's 2012.
He is the West Coast.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
yes, it's 2012 he is 13 years.
We got a lot of super chats.
We got a lot of super chats.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Yeah, they're coming through it's not just Mad Max.
There's people better than MadMax.
Mad Max with the 999 super chat.
Rayvon, this was weak, hewasn't on beat.
And Joey, this was weak becausehow you use Old Hoove and Nas
bar to dis the coast but sneakthis dot, laugh my ass off trash
.
Okay, See, wonder why I treatMad Max the way I do.

(01:24:18):
Stop that, Lord of a guy.
For 99 juicy J project.
Pat fit the mold.
38 special graph rock paperscissors new hot it's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
It's a lot to fit in there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
We're gonna have to break that down.
Hold on juicy j, project pat,fit the mode, 38 special graph
rock paper scissors.
Okay, that's two projects.
Two projects sounds like twoprojects.
Sounds like like Juicy J andProject Pat have a project
called Fit the Mode and 38Special and Graf have a project
called Alright, good lord, we uphere doing hieroglyphics up in

(01:25:00):
this piece.
Cj the Kid appreciate you,brother.
$5.
Super chat Company man said aremix to Ray's Crash Out song.
Two NYC MCs and a female MC tostep out for the East.
Who do you guys think thefemale MC is?
Last one Probably Che.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
You think it's Che I like Che she got the?

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
chops.
I like her competitive furtherbecause she's the one that
really like.
It's one thing to talk likeyou're better than a
male-dominated specter.
It's another thing to reallyfeel that way.
She is the female MC that Ifeel like feels that way the

(01:25:40):
most when she raps.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Where she's like I don't carewho, if it's Ransom or Kyle, I'm
better than all these dudes.
Anyway, she's the one thatgives that vibe off the most for
me.
Scarlett.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Can I ask y'all a question Are we doing super
chats?

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
No, no, no, we still have more Mad Max, mad Max you
got to jump more Coop we'regoing to call it Max Canal.
Where did I jump?

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
EJ got one in Lord, I'll pull it up.
Can you see this?

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Oh yeah, ray Vaughn crashed out.
Joey is in trouble.
Lord Vakai, cj the Kid, I hopethis dubbed East versus West.
No, no, no, we read that.
You got the one before thatright, no, no, no, the five
dollar one with CJ the kids.
Yeah, I hope we read that onebefore we read that one yeah,

(01:26:36):
the company man.
I just read that one.
That was the one where we justtalked about the female MCs.
So yeah, mad Max, $9.99 AG.
No one in New York standingwith Joey, bro, the west can
cook him.
We don't love Joey like that.
Now, if Pop Smoke was alive anda better wordsmith, or Rocky
was more lyrical, yeah, we standby them, not Joey.
Mad Max speaking for the EastCoast, east Coast, stand up.

(01:26:57):
Somebody other than Mad Maxtell me this shit.
Mad Max West don't haveanything.
You have to have the sound ofhip hop to run it.
The South has that still, sothey still king.
Nobody bumped the West Coastartists like that.
Ooh, what do you think about?

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Nobody bumps the West Coast artists like that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
I think that's changed.
I think in 2024 that changed.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
But that's what I was going to ask you guys.
I feel like the climate isdifferent this year for it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
That's what I was going to ask you guys.
The last time the West wasgalvanized that I can remember
was when Game dropped thedocumentary in 05.
I know you talked a lot Coopabout being in Cali when that
dropped, but it's almost likethey couldn't get behind it as
much because one 50 Cent isbacking that product, so it's

(01:27:47):
still not fully West Coast.
You got Dre at the helm, yougot 50 cent at the helm and you
got game rapping like naz jay-zand you know he's mimicking east
coast artists.
So do you think, like kendrickjust got lightning in a bottle,
galvanizing the west now behindthis album, something that, like
game, couldn't do as muchbecause it's not, as true blue

(01:28:10):
west coast?

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
the documentary AG and I know I'm not trying to say
this so that people are goingto call me a hater and I'm not
exaggerating when I'm sayingthis the documentary sounds and
feels more west coast thananything Kendrick has ever made
in his life, and that's justwhat it is, in the way it is,

(01:28:37):
and even for what's going on.
I will tell you, I was around,I did go to Cali when section 80
came out or around the timethat it came out, and it was
pretty heavy.
And it was pretty heavy and itwas pretty crazy.
But I'm going to tell you whatit was crazy about.
It was more crazy about peopletalking about LA feeling like

(01:29:01):
they had an MC that, lyrically,mc wise could take the crown.
And if we're talking lyrically,mc wise, the only person from
the West coast to ever have thecrown lyrically as an MC, is ice
cube.
And so the talk about Kendrickthat I was receiving when I was
in LA around section 80 had moreto do with the fact that they

(01:29:23):
felt like they had a guy muchlike ice cube, that it's like
well, bring me your best EastCoast guy, because he's just as
good as that guy right now, andthey hadn't had that, like they
had Snoop and they've had guys,but Snoop's not the guy for that
.
Kendrick is a guy for the West,very much like Andre 3000 is

(01:29:44):
for the South, where it's likeoh no, who's your best guy,
because I got a guy that canfuck with him on the mic, so
bring it on.
That was the talk when the gameshit was on fire.
That was about those recordsbeing on fire.
guys, those records were on firelike that and the west was
loving and feeling those records.
And even though 50 was involved, you can tell dr dre's hands

(01:30:06):
were on that project.
It was crazy start, start tofinish.
Even the way that some of therecords sound programming-wise
from the other artists.
It's like no the other artistsdon't normally program their
drums that way.
No, that's Dre.
I'm reprogramming those drumsor letting the producer know
that we're changing this, or I'mdoing this with it.

(01:30:27):
The executive production on thedocumentary is is better than
any Kendrick project and thebeats are better than Angie
Kendrick project and if we'retalking about classic songs, it
also beats Kendrick on classicsongs.
I prefer me.
I will tell you good kid madcity might be a better project
than the documentary.

(01:30:48):
It's not by much.
If it is in.
The documentary has the betterrecords I think where the
difference is.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
You're talking about the product and the.
You know the projects, right, Ithink with kendrick and you
alluded to it, with the andre3000 and the south comparison is
more so.
The person as a representativethat like, okay, everybody can
get behind this person versusgame, is not that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Like how about this?
The West getting behind gamehas like the guy to tote around
would be us probably trying totote around a, a, a cool breeze
or a killer mic.
Is our best guy.
Like on the mic.
Like on the mic.

(01:31:34):
It's like oh no, I know he's,I'm not even talking about
rapping.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
I'm talking about, like, what you represent, like
who you.
It's like oh, no, no, no.
If we talk about what?

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
it represents the game's an appropriate
representative.
What I'm trying to tell you isthat the West Coast niggas
low-key, really do, and I knowthis from being out there.
They like niggas who can rhyme.
They like their gangsta shit,but they like dudes that can
rhyme.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
But I mean image-wise .
The antics is what I'm gettingat.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
The documentary is game beforethe antics, though, so you
really don't.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
They're going to clash at the same time because
by the time that album dropped,remember him and 50 had a big
falling out, like right at thebeginning of the dropout.
Because, Coop, I think you andI both were in Diego around that
same time.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
I was in Diego when that album dropped and they had
him on the Dayton show and allthat stuff, like, yeah, that was
all around that time.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
Yeah, because it was so much storyline around the
game.
At it was saying the son ofEazy-E, then it was saying like
the protege of Dr Dre, becausethey were on different
billboards together in Cali whenI was out there and there was a
lot of energy around Game.
There was a lot of energy, but Ialso think there was a lot of
hesitation because if you thinkabout that production of

(01:32:47):
documentary, it doesn't soundlike a traditional West Coast
album, because you had beatsfrom Just Blaze, you had
Timbaland, so you had Kanye onthere and those were the singles
.
Those were the lead singles.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
But this is what I'm saying Okay, okay, oh no.
So, but this is what I'm sayingOkay, so, this is okay, oh no,
that's what.
That's what they wasn't playing, that when we was out there,
sean, they was playing where I'mfrom with Nate dog.

Speaker 3 (01:33:23):
You were on every where I'm from where.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
I'm from.
Hold on, hold on, listen towhat I'm saying.
This is what I mean about howthe West coast is different when
I'm from.
Hold on, listen to what I'msaying.
This is what I mean about howthe West Coast is different when
I'm from, with Nate Dogg in2005, when the documentary is
dropping, is a dope record on aclassic rap album.
To the hip-hop populace as awhole, to the West Coast, it was

(01:33:47):
the shit they was riding aroundto all day, to the point that
they had to put it on the shitthey was riding around to all
day, to the point that they hadto put it on the radio every
other hour.
I was hearing that song thedocumentary has a few joints
like that, don't worry, withMary J Blige on the radio in
Cali all the time.
So when you're talking aboutthose other records it's like,

(01:34:08):
oh no, those records exist.
But I was out there in Cali,those records was playing, but
they was playing the otherrecords too.
So Game had about 7-8 recordsplaying on the radio in Cali,
and I'm not exaggerating oh no,I believe you was out there, so
you know listen Game in 2005.
Had Dreams, hate it or Love it?

(01:34:30):
Put you On the Game how we DoHire.
Don't Worry when I'm From.
Those were all playing on theradio when Cali had the same
goddamn time In rotation, inrotation.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
So when people are talking about Kendrick it's like
, oh no, kendrick got seventracks on what album playing in
Cali all the time at what?
And I'm missing a couplerecords, guys I didn't bring up.
Put you On the Game.
That's eight.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Yeah, that joints a finger Running With Yayo.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
Running With Yayo was playing out there, that's not,
but that's one.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
those are joints, all in rotation on the documentary.
But here's what's funny though,because during that time my
first introduction to the gameand the most west coast sounding
record that he was on was onthe east coast artist record,
which was jim jones certifiedgangsters.
That was the most west coast.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Didn't alchemist do that beat?

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
I don't know who did the production, but that was the
most west coast sounding thing.
The game was on and it was theeast coast artist.
But that was west west, rightthere, and that was my first
introduction in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Uh, to game on certified gangsters I, I left
atlanta at the height of gz'sbuzz and moved to cali at the
height of games buzz and it wasvirtually no drop off, guys.
It was like, like, like, like,like, culturally I had to
understand how the buzzes works,but when I look back on and
reflect on it, it was no dropoff and jesus buzz is the

(01:35:59):
biggest buzz atlanta has everseen and that's saying a lot,
guys.
Yeah, like he's the best thatever came out of here and I love
me some jesus.
But if we want to talk aboutbuzz in this city, oh, no, no,
no, no, no.
It's Jeezy.
Everybody else second place.
Jeezy's buzz in the city waslike nothing this city's ever
seen.
When I went to Cali and seenthe same, shit was going on in
Game.
I was like damn, jeezy is outhere.

(01:36:21):
That's how I looked at him.
I was like he's like CaliforniaJee.
Another artist that I wasgetting down with, that I was
trying to link with it, was fromCompton.
It kind of even sounded likegame.
He was influenced in theculture.
Yeah, it was a real thing.
So let's kind of flip to theother side.

(01:36:43):
So we got Drake just fightingIrish freestyle that UMG and
YouTube is taking down Sean nowalthough I'm one hater of the
year and you are definitelyrunner up no, no, no you're not.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
You're not.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
AG has the Lord in the mountains and the snow of
West Virginia on his side, he'sgoing to be all right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
That's right thing, man.
That's right Ice King, rightIce King.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
That's very disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
But YouTube and UMG are they first and second for
hater of the year for takingtaking drink shots to LeBron,
like just pretty much.
They were like, oh you suing us.
No, you trying to get moneyover here on YouTube.
No, you trying to run up acheck.
You gonna get 30, 40, 50million views.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
You not, you not you not gonna?

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
you not gonna make 100 bands on YouTube, nigga?
No, we're not giving you LouisVuitton money, you're not going
to drop this money on strippersin Columbia.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
Absolutely no, you're not.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
You're not going to do it.
We're not giving you anything.
What do you think about thesehating ass fools, this type of
hate?
I was like this is super hate.
This is corporate hate.
I don't know how to corporatehate, I just know how to hate
niggas in front of me.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
I hate you, nigga look, man, this is the price you
pay sean, do you hatecorporately?

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
you're probably more, uh, familiar with this than I
am like, is this corporate hategoing on with umg and youtube?
This feels like corporate hate.
It's very problematicpeterpleating the fifth If it
feels Depleating the fifth ismore problematic than UMG and
YouTube.
Hey gee.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
They're cannibalizing their own product.
Right now that's what they'redoing.
They're cannibalizing their ownproduct because they can still
make money off of Drake, butright now everything is on halt.
Any project that Drake hadcoming out that was projected to
come out, everything is on hold.
Any project that Drake hadcoming out that was projected to
come out, everything is onpause.
Until the situation blows overor until they come to an
agreement, or whatever they cometo an agreement on.

(01:38:58):
Who would say that Braun Campdidn't reach out and say yo, I
need to take that down, theyneed to go down.
That's something hating-assBraun would do.
Take that down.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
Are we having a hate contest?

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
I can't stand it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
This is a real haters ball.
We have Drake, lebron, umg andYouTube.
We have some of the biggesthaters.
This is a cornucopia of haters.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
All working in concert.
All working in concert.
I think it was dope.
I get where Drake is comingfrom.
I don't think nothing Drake cansay right now.
He's not going to win.
No matter what he does rightnow, he's not going to win.
The Haters Ball is going to bestellar this year.
It's going to be crazy.
Nothing he can do that he can't.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
You and I might just get honorable mention if these
niggas keep hating like this.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
You're going to fall to the bottom ten.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
You know how the Heisman show.
It's like they have the top tenpeople to qualify, but only the
top four get to go.
We might not be in the top fourthis year.
I don't think so.
This is strong.
This hate is strong.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
It's crazy.
I mean, that's what you do whenyou go up against a giant.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
This hate is Toronto Raptors, Cleveland Cavaliers
strong.
You understand.
This is hate, hate, hate.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
Between him and Braun .
Yeah, and I can't stand Brauneither.
Braun is so petty.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
And think about it.
Braun is one of the few dudeswith more money and power than
Drake to actually hate on Drakeand Drake can't do anything
about it.
Drake has to do something aboutLeBron hating on him Like yo,
you gotta stop his hate.
You blocking what I'm trying todo.
See, drake gets to keep itpushing in rap terms.
That's why I keep trying totell y'all.
It's like I, that's what I keeptrying to tell y'all.
It's like lose a battle, youknow, do 20 million streams like

(01:40:51):
that don't mean shit to him.
It's like when LeBron's hatingon you, it's like no, he needs
to stop some of the hate.
Is Drake in the advantageousposition?
Because I don't think so.
I don't think, so what?

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
do you think AG?

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
I don't want you fucking with LeBron AG.
You fucking with LeBron.
He owns teams.
He got ownership in other teams.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
Yeah, well, with the UMG thing, like nothing's.
Drake can't put out anything.
You know that Party Next Doorproject is not coming out.
It's definitely not coming outto this good result.
But as far as his freestyle,it's evidently old because he
has braids.
In the video from it he nolonger has braids, but I think

(01:41:32):
the video was put out just onthe strength of LeBron flexing
at his birthday rapping KendrickLamar, a man at the garden
messing up the lyrics and stuff.
So he was like let's put thisout.
Here's the thing with Drake.
I'm with Sean.
He can't say anything at thispoint, that he can do no right

(01:41:53):
at this point.
And this has been Drake's bagfor years, like these, um, these
type raps.
We actually had a little bit offun in the discord.
We was uh, you know it actuallytakes talent to do this to keep
the same rhyme scheme for awhole.
You know verse, but we was likewriting our own bars in the
discord.
It same rhyme scheme for awhole.

(01:42:18):
You know verse, but we was likewriting our own bars in the
discord.

Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
It was hilarious, they're like you know, um, just
a position, pediatrician, likeyou don't say like we was going
crazy in the discord.
It was hilarious, but you wantto know what I want.
Ag, ag, I don't want to sidebaryou right quick.
You want to know what the bestbar seminar actually is on like
doing that, keeping it for awhole song, what?
Was that Busta Rhymes.
I'm put your hands where myeyes can see.

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
Yeah, yeah, all the way through.
Yeah, that's a very good point.
No, it does, it does take, itdoes take talent to do that.
So yeah but we have fun soundinginto that.
To that point, drake and peoplehad the same energy for Port
Antonio.
I think people are just at apoint where we're done with the

(01:42:57):
woe is me bars.
Like Drake used to get thesebars off years ago when people
used to love him.
But now the message is the samebut the circumstances have
changed.
So, like him talking about,like you know feeling a certain
way like he's been stabbed inthe back by his friends and all
that stuff.
Like somebody should tell Drakeall these and you know he blurs

(01:43:20):
the line between his day onesand his industry friends Like
somebody needs to tell him, likeyou know, lebron and whoever
else and Rick Ross and all theseguys are just friends with him
because he was in the industry.
They're not day ones.
So him releasing a sad songabout like everybody stabbing
him in the back, nobody wants tohear that right now.

Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
But that used to be his forte.
So what you're saying is thateffect has worn off.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
Right, because the circumstances have changed and,
like I said, people had the sameenergy for J Cole.
They didn't want to hear youknow what he had to say on Port
Antonio.
Like well, I wouldn't lose ayou know a battle.
I would have lost the you knowwhat I'm saying, a friend, like
the woe is me bars.
Nobody wants to hear that rightnow.

Speaker 1 (01:44:04):
Nobody wants to hear that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
Nobody wants to hear it.
And you know, this is the thingthat I struggle with.
Why I have a hard timeconsidering this the greatest
battle or beef of all time isbecause all the corny stuff
that's aligned with it.
And now you got Drake making awhole song not a whole song, but

(01:44:28):
a song pretty much aimed atLeBron.
Like what are we doing?
You know what I'm saying, I getit.
You feel a way that wassupposed to be your guy or
whatever, but it's just so manycorny things surrounding this
battle, man, like you know, I'msaying we battling.
You know I'm saying what wouldnot say rappers battling
non-rappers.
It's just, it's just corny man.

(01:44:48):
So, like, for every, for everyhigh moment in this battle has
been an equally high cornymoment in this battle you want
to know what ag.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
That's a very astute observation.
So, with that being said, let'sgo to our last topic, which is
do we have an east versus westcoast beef brewing?
Actually?

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
I think we alluded to that earlier.
If it's just on on, some likeyou know what I'm saying Like
you said, squabble up lyrically,like we'll showcase what we got
over here versus what y'all gotover there, I'm all for it, I'm
down for it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
I am too.
All right, we're going to waitfor Sean to jump back in so our
taglines can actually match whatwe're talking about the show.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
Very underlined Always here, always here for
support.

Speaker 3 (01:45:39):
Always here to funny my ass Adult beverage Adult
beverage.

Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
I could have made you old-fashioned.
I got my crystal glass andeverything over here.
All right, it's all gold,everything over here when it's
Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
I thought that was the key to the city that the
mayor gave you.

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
Look here I have a video.
There's a video around of themayor at a wedding where he's
doing the old school Atlantalike yeet dance.
It's dope.
It's a dope video.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
The mayor know how to yeet mayor you have to post
that on uh socials I'm not gonnado that to them.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
You see, the mayor is my friend I'm not doing that to
the mayor.
The mayor is my friend.
I think the mayor has a greatchance to have a great political
career that expands beyond thiscity, and about that we won't
be showing him yeeking, we won'tbe showing him yeeting.
We won't be doing that, thesewhite people will go crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
They don't know how to act.
Your fault, EG.
I don't know how to act either.
That's my fault.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
That's more of those inside shots, like the drag-on
comment we got to work on you.
You're still doing the sameshit you were doing last year.
You're just being shady hereabout it.
You don't listen to Drag On.

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
Nobody listens, see that's what you're doing, see,
you're going to make it about me.
That's crazy, uh-uh.
East versus West.

Speaker 1 (01:47:06):
Uh-uh.
East versus West.
East versus West.
No Negative East versus West.
Click.
No negative East vs West.
East vs West.
Ag.
Finish your points.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
That's all I had to say.
I'm here for it.
If it's on some lyricalsparring stuff.
I put the best up on the West,and Sean brought up A good point
.
We get it twisted when we sayEast Coast.
Everybody just says it's justpretty much New York.

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
But they never come to the carpet.

Speaker 1 (01:47:39):
Okay, hey, ag, let me ask you something, and I'm not
joking when I say this.
You are from West Virginia.
Where does Southern hip-hopstart for you, as somebody
that's from West Virginia?

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
North Carolina, no Virginia.
North Carolina, virginia,virginia so.

Speaker 1 (01:47:56):
Clips Missy Timberland Skills all Southern
to you.
Yes, I feel like Virginia iswhere the line bleeds, although
still Southern.
There's an East Coast aesthetic.
It is, and even some NorthCarolina artists.
There's the East Coastaesthetic.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
It is, and even some North Carolina artists is
somewhat of an East Coastaesthetic.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
North Carolina and Virginia are very East Coast-ish
.
Of all the Southern states,Virginia and North Carolina are
the most East Coast-ish.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
But if you think about it, a lot of Black people
from New York migrate to NorthCarolina.
You know what I'm saying, sothat's how you get.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
I told you Nas had family in North Carolina when I
was in high school.
They worked with my cousin.
They worked with Six Ain't,pete Rock and Little Brother and
9th related All that.
There's a lot of North Carolina, mississippi, tennessee ties to
New Yorkers like specifically.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
But yeah, I consider all that to be south.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
I personally, like I'm going to be honest with you.
I usually eat my steak mediumrare, like blackened on top, but
I like my beef and wrap likewell cooked.
It's like if your heart ain'tin and you're really not about
the action, don't give me theaction.
That's really it for me at theend of the day, like if you want
to entertain me, like entertainme.
Like don't like MayweatherPacquiao me, and it's like do it

(01:49:18):
when you're both past yourprime and it's not as
entertaining as it should be.
One of you got a broke shoulder, one of you not as fast as you
used to be.
I'm paying good money.

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
I'm going to pay good money for a good fight, but I
think the problem is it's aroyal rumble.
The problem is it's a royalrumble because everybody coming
putting their two cents into it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:47):
That's a good point.
This is what I mean.
Part of Drake's failure, evenin this battle, I told you, is
like addressing everybody else.
I told you.
Jay was very, very clear.
He's like Prodigy gonna catchthis smoke, nas gonna catch this
smoke, the rest of y'all gethalf a ball.
Fuck y'all Like yeah, like no.
But that's how great battlesare built.
Though Jay understood that,it's like no, we're in battle.

(01:50:08):
I need to compartmentalizethese things and focus my
attention and take these.
I mean like no, no, no.
You dudes deserve a jab.
This dude deserves an uppercutand a right hook combo Back to
back, boom, boom.

Speaker 2 (01:50:25):
I'm sorry.
Boom, boom.
Well, sean's queens get themoney.
So let me ask him, as the EastCoast representative Are we
comfortable I say we, but areyou comfortable with Joey as the
East Coast representative inthis?
Because he's the one thatreally stepped forward and was
like okay, this is what we do.

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
I'm uncomfortable for you niggas.
All right, keep going.
Yeah, I mean here's my thing.

Speaker 3 (01:50:49):
You see what the West is doing.
They're unified.
Right now you have the B-leveland again I don't mean this in
no disrespect, so maybe reframethat.
Let me rephrase that you havethe street-level fighters right
now, right, netflix, the MarvelNetflix.
They're still strong, they'restill great in their own right,
but you have those guys who jointhe fight, and Kendrick is the

(01:51:13):
big dog, he's the super threat,right, he's a champ.
You know he's a champ.
We haven't heard from Game andI hope we don't.
I hope we don't.
I hope we don't hear from Gameat all.

Speaker 1 (01:51:24):
Kendrick's the man right now.
Kendrick's the man right now.
I is the man.

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
right now he's the champ.
Kendrick is the one.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
He's the heavyweight champ.

Speaker 3 (01:51:31):
I just don't know, from not just the New York
perspective, but from an EastCoast perspective who's going to
step up and step in that ring,because you've got some heavy
hitters that just don't have theheavy hitter name.
Right, because keep in mindthat we talked about this before
.
Social media dictates thevictor based on popular vote,

(01:51:53):
right?
Not everyone is going togravitate to Joey because Joey
doesn't have the popular namethat they're looking for right
now.
No matter what he says, he'sgoing to get a lesser vote
because of who he is, because ofhis name.
No?

Speaker 1 (01:52:06):
no, no.
Let me submit something to youif I may Sean.
Let me submit something to youif I may Sean.

Speaker 3 (01:52:18):
That's why, sometimes you just got to whoop a nigga
ass.

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
No, no, no.
Let me explain something to youin boxing terms.
When Mike was locked up andHolyfield was champion, there
was this guy by the name ofRiddick Bowe.
Holyfield was the man andpeople really just wanted Tyson
to get out and fight Holyfield.
Riddick Bowe came along andeven though Riddick Bowe all

(01:52:47):
time is not the heavyweightfighter that Holyfield is, oh,
but he beat Holyfield ass thatfirst time.
Yeah, he did, he whooped hisass.
Yeah, he did that first time.
Yeah, he did, he whooped hisass.

Speaker 3 (01:52:55):
Yeah, he did that first time.
I'm telling you, Sean, I'm fromthe A, Sean, no, no, no, Sean,
I'm from the A.

Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
When all you New York niggas talk that Tyson shit, I
be like ain't nobody over heretrying to hear that shit.
Fam, my man whooped your manass twice, no no, no.
I'm saying that to say so I cantext you a lot so you understand
how much I love Holyfield.
Hold on, Riddick Bowe whoopedHolyfield ass and we ain't see
that coming Like nobody inAtlanta and nobody in boxing

(01:53:22):
seen Riddick Bowe beatingHolyfield but he whooped that
ass.
And that's why I'm saying islike, oh no, it's about the
records.
If Joey make the record like,tap that ass.

Speaker 3 (01:53:32):
We say boxing he was.
He was getting good points.
It's one on one.

Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
It's one on one competitive sport like boxing.
That's why we make I alwaysmake the tennis and boxing
analogies, because when it comesdown to competitive fervor, oh
no, no, it's one on one.

Speaker 3 (01:53:45):
Not.
This Social media is very loud.
They're determined to victorbefore one round comes out.
It doesn't matter Right now.
We know what Joey can do.
Anybody who knows Joey's spitgame, they know what he can do,
but it doesn't matter if popularvoters, I don't know about that
, I don't know, about that?

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
Yeah, Boston is way more objective than hip-hop.

Speaker 1 (01:54:09):
Hold on.
Can I tell you something?
I don't think we've heard thebest from Joey.
Maybe that's why I'm sayingwhat I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:54:15):
We haven't.
But I'm saying, would they givehim a chance?
That's all I'm saying.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
I hear what you're saying.
I hear what you're saying.
Is he going to be afforded theopportunity even if he's not?

Speaker 3 (01:54:27):
Cool, Even to your Boston analogy.
If it's close and the persondoesn't have the name
recognition, they're going withthe Boston who has the name
recognition.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
I'll tell you what I'm going to tell you what?
Sean, I'm going to tell you what.
You're absolutely right,because I love me some Tupac and
I love me some Mobb Deep andI'll fight to the day that I die
that Drop A Gym is 10 times abetter diss record than Hit Em
Up.
But about Pac Thatcher versusMobb Deep Thatcher?

(01:55:00):
People talk about Hit Em Up inthe manner that they really
should be talking about.
Drop A Gym on them.
And you're absolutely rightDrop A Gym on them, one of the
10 best diss records I everheard, and I love.
Pop.
It's close to top five for me.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
But stature only doesn't matter in rare anomaly
cases where the, where the tideis turned and there's nothing
that stature can do about it.
We saw it with Kendrick andDrake, we saw it with Jay and
Nas, but outside of that, I mean, there's really nothing else
you can think of.

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
Think about this, fellas.
Remember when Jay dig a hole On.
Cam yeah, went nowhere, wentnowhere, but we don't
acknowledge it because of namerecognition.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
Right, because Cam really won that battle.
Nobody will ever tell you thatCam beat Jay in a battle.
Nobody will ever fix theirmouth to say that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:55):
I'm playing around the shots that Cam took at Nas
too.
Over the hate me now beat themwas fire too.

Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
It was tough.
Cam got down on Nas too, butNas came back with fire versus
that dig a hole, wasn't it forJay that?

Speaker 3 (01:56:08):
dig a hole, wasn't it ?
And we don't talk about that.
Nobody acknowledges that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
No, and, insult to injury, he put out fighter, not
a writer, right.

Speaker 3 (01:56:20):
We didn't think that Jay would put something out like
that.
So I say that to say we canmove on.
But I say that to say the waythis whole thing is shaping up.
The popular vote is going tosway to the West.
They got the momentum.
I don't know who is from NewYork at this point is going to

(01:56:41):
step up.
You know they're saying they'regoing to step up.
I don't know who that's goingto be.

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
Real talk.
Let's talk a numbers game,because that's really how this
game really gets dictated.
Now it's a lot of things whenyou look at the trajectory of
the history of this game.
I'm not joking when I say this.
If you take the BC boys out ofthe equation for the East Coast,
around that time the West Coastblew the East Coast dudes out

(01:57:11):
of the water.
Numbers-wise.

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
Yes, and it's happening again.

Speaker 1 (01:57:16):
And it's happening again because hip-hop works in
cycles and this is just part ofthe cycle.
So we're going to cycle to thenext part of our cycle, which is
Discord Dialogues, which isactually some more new versus
old in a little bit, because thetopic that got chosen this week
was the older publicationsversus the common day, new world
social media.
So, ag, what are your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (01:57:40):
Yeah, we talked a lot at length about, you know,
print media versus.
You know, the current mediathat we have with social media
last week.
So I wanted to put a poll inthe Discord Dialogues just to
kind of figure out people who'vebeen fans of hip-hop for a long
time what were their favoriteways to receive hip-hop

(01:58:04):
information.
And we voted on print media,which we got the classic
magazine publications, theSource, xxl, Vibe and so on and
so forth.
And then another choice was theblog era, which blew up.
You had all hip hop, hip hopgame, not right, and you know

(01:58:25):
things of that.
You know you got Worldstar,those sorts of things.
You know, and you got Worldstar, those sorts of things.
And then the last choice wascurrent social media, where we
have, you know, the fans havemore of a voice.
You know through social mediaapps, like you know, the
Twitters, the Discords andthings of that nature, and you

(01:58:55):
know I'm an old head but youknow, surprisingly, the social
media era is what won, uh, thatvote.
And you know people like toreceive their hip-hop
information through that medium.
And I think it's because ofthat reason is because you know
the hip-hop fan has a voicethat's louder than ever.
We say that everybody shouldn'thave an opinion.
Some people's opinions is juststupid.
But now everybody's opinion canbe heard on some level, which

(01:59:15):
was to your point, sean, about.
You know name recognition andyou know the casual fans and
their voices, you know being aloud majority.
So I found that interesting.
But in the grand scheme ofthings you talked about Relics
earlier in the show, sean Iwanted to shout out the old

(01:59:37):
hip-hop publications and eventhough we cooked Elliot last
week, he was the editor-in-chiefof XXL, which is a classic
publication.
The Source was a classicpublication and we had other
ones out there, like Blaze RapPages and so on and so forth,
and I can't forget about Bob.
But I remember in those erasthe magazine drops were almost

(01:59:59):
damn near as important as thealbum drops.
I mean, I can remember postingup at the you know whatever
supermarket or whatever carriedthe magazines to get you know
I'm saying the new source so Icould go straight to the record
report and see what got you knowum, a good mic rating.
So I can know, if I only had somuch money, what record I
needed to pick up based on theirrecommendation.

(02:00:21):
So you know, we're a long wayfrom that now, where you know we
don't rely on somebody else togive us their opinion and their
recommendations for us to act onit, somebody else to give us
their opinion and theirrecommendations for us to act on
it.
We get it instantly, in realtime.
We can interact with oneanother and talk in real time
Like yo track three, you ontrack three, what you feeling
about this Blah, blah, blahThrough these social media apps

(02:00:42):
and, um, I just think it's uh,um interesting you know what I'm
saying Uh dichotomy that wehave with that.

Speaker 3 (02:00:48):
So no, absolutely.
I mean, that was our source.
That was our source material,no pun intended.
We had to go through thosepublications to understand what
was really going on in hip-hopBecause the thing about it is we
weren't getting the informationin real time.
You know, when we had discrecords or any kind of issue
that was going on, you had to gopick up the magazine, you had

(02:01:10):
to read on it and we wereactually literally reading.
You know the manuscripts ofwhat was happening out there.
It wasn't a blog era at thattime.
It wasn't people responding inreal time or reacting in real
time, or you had to really sitwith the music, right, and we
talk about it all the time.
We talk about when we review analbum.
We review the album in lessthan seven days or six days of

(02:01:37):
the album.
There's no way you can reallygive a true assessment of an
album in six days.
You got to sit with it.
So when the source and doublexl was given those ratings a way
ahead of time, you know it wasa situation where we had to read
their review, understand thereview and it kind of dictated
whether we were going to getthat album.
Honestly, if we gave the albuma bad rating, we'd probably stay

(02:01:58):
away from that album nine timesout of ten, unless we really
really enjoyed that artist.

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
And Sean, they would have that album for 30 days
sometimes.

Speaker 2 (02:02:08):
It's not longer.

Speaker 1 (02:02:09):
They would have time to soak it, digest it and give
us an appropriate review that wecould base our opinions on.
The problem became, I think Ithink what happened was was that
they had everybody's respect,and I think the chronic getting
four and a half mics raisedeverybody's ear at the source,

(02:02:34):
but it was when Doggystyle gotthe four that everybody was kind
of like hold on, wait, that'swhen it started happening.
Illmatic was a good resetbecause people forget Illmatic
and Doggystyle are less than sixmonths apart from the release
dates.
You don't feel that way areless than six months apart from
these states.

Speaker 3 (02:02:53):
It does not feel that way.

Speaker 2 (02:02:55):
But we just got through talking about.

Speaker 1 (02:02:58):
You think it's two different rap climates.
It's the same rap climate.

Speaker 2 (02:03:02):
But Coop, we just got through talking about coastal
biases and the source was a NewYork publication.

Speaker 1 (02:03:09):
No, and I get that.
And so it feels like well,snoop's doing 5 million and Nas
is doing 300,000.
So we're giving Illmatic fivemics and we're giving Doggystyle
four mics to balance it out,and that's not right.
Snoop deserves the five micsand the five mil, and I think
that's the problem, like sayingthe five mil and that's.

(02:03:34):
And I think that's the problemand that's why give me social
media over the old schoolpublications, because, for
better or for worse, becauseyou're probably going to get the
information before you'resupposed to get it, at least
you're going to get the truthand that's fair and that's again
.

Speaker 3 (02:03:50):
We're talking about an entire coast In relation to a
city.
We can't forget that, yes,Snoop did five mil.
You're talking about an entirecoast and everything else
supporting that, versus a barrelor actual city.

Speaker 2 (02:04:09):
But let's be fair.
Let's be fair, I think we'retoo hard, because that's a lot
of Monday morning quarterbacking.
Because when we say, like yo,this did five mil when the
review was out, the recordhadn't sold yet.
So it's like they're going toget some stuff wrong.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (02:04:24):
Hold, on what's my name is already number one on
the chart.

Speaker 2 (02:04:31):
It's true, but it's some revisionist history there,
though, too.
You know what?

Speaker 1 (02:04:35):
I mean Doing what?
$450,000 in the first weekbeing number one four weeks
straight being platinum beforehe was platinum before the year
was over.
The album dropped the last weekin November.

Speaker 2 (02:04:48):
Yeah, but the review was probably already set to
print before the album hitshelves.
Though is what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:04:55):
Yeah you want to know what it was, but listen because
they were East Coast biased.

Speaker 1 (02:05:01):
They didn't understand what they were
hearing.

Speaker 2 (02:05:04):
That's what I'm saying, now that I can get
behind.

Speaker 1 (02:05:08):
I hear you, ag.
No, I hear you.
I said that based on what youjust said.
Yes, absolutely All right.
Let's get to the last part ofour night, gentlemen, which is
the press play segment.

Speaker 3 (02:05:21):
We got a super chat too cool.

Speaker 1 (02:05:23):
Oh, we got some super chats.

Speaker 3 (02:05:25):
I wouldn't spend money with these things.
Three more, I think 007?
.

Speaker 1 (02:05:32):
Oh, 007 still up in the building live.
Okay, 00 must be on vacation.
He don't stay for the wholeshow.
All right, 007 to Super Chat.
It's like Nas said in thatinterview you got to be in a
certain weight class to get inthe ring.
Kendrick is responding.
There's no reason to, I agree,I agree.
Give him a reason to respond.
My mere thoughts.
What up?
My mere thoughts.

(02:05:52):
$9.99 with the $10.
Super Chat, simba versus Joeyshould be competitive.
Eh, could be.

Speaker 3 (02:06:00):
Are you excited about it?

Speaker 1 (02:06:01):
though.
See, it's not about it beingcompetitive too.
It's about it being excitingand competitive.
All the beefs and battles arecompetitive.
Is it exciting, like Jadakissed Beanie Siegel?
Oh no, the beefs and battlesare competitive it's exciting,
like Jada kissed Beanie Siegel.

Speaker 2 (02:06:12):
Oh no, that's exciting.
That's why I kept telling SeanI don't think that J Cole versus
Kendrick would have beenexciting, man, because they too
much, too similar.

Speaker 1 (02:06:18):
Happy ass niggas.
Cj, the Kid with the $5 superchat.
Curtis King just dropped hisdiss to Joey.
His diss lied to Joey.
Where is that female MC atEmergency Super Chat?
Stop it, cj.

Speaker 2 (02:06:30):
CJ, don't go.
We appreciate the love, butdon't go broke.
It's been an emergency SuperChat bud.

Speaker 1 (02:06:37):
Nah, go for broke.
Cj, Take a break.

Speaker 3 (02:06:40):
CJ harass us.
Man, go for broke, cj Sean.

Speaker 1 (02:06:43):
Sean CJ, don't listen to Sean.
No, we're going to progress thepress play.

Speaker 3 (02:06:50):
CJ be harassing me who is.
Curtis King, though who isCurtis King for real?

Speaker 1 (02:06:56):
I don't know who Curtis is Exactly.
I'm for real.
I'm Curtis.
I know it's 50.

Speaker 3 (02:07:03):
Yeah, curtis.

Speaker 1 (02:07:05):
Curtis.

Speaker 3 (02:07:05):
Curtis.

Speaker 1 (02:07:10):
All right, press play , press play, gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (02:07:13):
Get out of here.
I got to do that first.

Speaker 1 (02:07:17):
All right, we're going to be all right.
Trina featuring Ludacris Be allright.
Kanye West on the productionStill one of my favorite Kanye
beats.
I like the motivational thesisbehind this Next.

Speaker 3 (02:07:33):
Conway, you should love Trina.

Speaker 1 (02:07:38):
First of all, if somebody has seen Trina in
person, live and met her before,it's hard not to love Trina.
All right Conway Jesus Christis.
This is one of those versesthat actually made me think of
the term bar seminar guys.

Speaker 3 (02:07:55):
I'm like this is such a manifesto.

Speaker 1 (02:07:58):
Yeah, no, literally me coming up with the
phraseology bar seminar comesfrom the record, jesus Crisis
specifically, but around thattime.
But that was the record where Iwas like man, this is a whole
modern day seminar on rhymingand rhyme skills.
So shout out to Conway themachine, for Jesus Christ Went
back in the crate.

(02:08:18):
Since we've been doing all ourKendrick and Drake talk, we got
to talk about our bronzemedalist, which would be Cole,
who was the feature guest onPray of Jesus' Peace by the Game
.
When I heard Cole on thisrecord, I thought first of all,
this is a verse of the yearcontender.
But I heard somebody that forthe first time and people have
been saying it I was like, oh no, if he keeps rapping like this,

(02:08:40):
he's going to be the best MC inthe game.
And so if you haven't heardPray off Jesus Peace game
featuring J Cole, and it'sironic.

Speaker 2 (02:08:48):
We had some game talk earlier, so you know it is
ironic how that kind of justkind of happened like that.

Speaker 1 (02:08:53):
But yeah, that was part of my list.
And, last but not least, nastrack Lil Lost Tapes Love Papa
was a player.
I've been thinking about mypops.
For those who don't know, mypops have been sick.
He's been diagnosed with stagefour liver cancer.
Cancer is now spread.
So now it's stage four small,intense, small intestine cancer.

(02:09:16):
Um, oh, you know, I believe inthe power of prayer, gentlemen,
you know what I'm saying.
Uh, but I was actually thinking, um, I had some family
situations going on and I waslike yo, I was like pops
wouldn't even like that.
Pops was a real player, Like heain't even emotional like that
about it, and it made me thinkabout the Nas song when I was
talking to my sister and talkingabout, well, pops was a player
anyway, you know.
So then the Nas Papa was aplayer came up.

(02:09:38):
I'm saying some prayers for myfamily.
You know it's in God's hands atthis point, gentlemen, yeah,
prayers up for your pops, coop.

Speaker 3 (02:09:45):
Word up, thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:09:53):
Hey, thank you.
Hey, gg, what my man.
Yeah, uh, the inspiration formy press play is like brick cold
out here, man, it's like likenine degrees right now where I'm
at.
It's crazy, and um, you know, Igot some songs that made me
think about you know, I'm sayingwintertime, cold weather,
timberland weather, hoodieweather, and you know, um, oddly
, all these tracks that I gotare turning 30 years old this
year.
So first up, I got Survival ofthe Fittest by Mobb Deep.

(02:10:15):
Like, when this track comes on,there's no way I don't think
about winter, hoodies, timbs,you know all that stuff.
It's just dark, cold, gritty.
You know, have it on the beat.
Like you know, captured allthat and it's one of my top five
favorite Mobb Deep songs ever.
So I had to put that on there.
Next up, you know what I'msaying, off the classic Cuban

(02:10:38):
Link album, I got Ice Water with.
You know, raekwon, listen, whenI first RZA was a fool for this
beat.
Man, like this beat, just theway it starts off, side B,
talking about the actual tape.
Talking about the actual tape.

Speaker 3 (02:10:55):
Listen, man Look here AG.

Speaker 1 (02:11:01):
Might be my personal favorite Wu-Tang beat period
Listen when this album came out.

Speaker 2 (02:11:09):
I think these were odd picks because when I had
this album in real time, thisand rainy days were my favorite
records.

Speaker 1 (02:11:16):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (02:11:17):
I'm saying, yeah, love them, love them.
And this one, everybody goesoff.
I know Coop got the Capadonnahate, but everybody go off, I
like.
I think, it's between Ray andKappa for the best verse.
First of all, I think Ghost hasthe best verse.
Hold on.

Speaker 1 (02:11:37):
Wait, wait, wait.
I'm about to light your life upwith something I love Kappa on
this Kappa.

Speaker 2 (02:11:44):
He did, but I thought Ghost was clearly third.
I go back and forth between Rayand Kappa.
No, Ghost is the one that setit off.

Speaker 1 (02:11:53):
The Black Jesus.
I know a two-migga sniff cokeit calls Caesar.
It's tough.

Speaker 2 (02:11:58):
Peace to Half Moon, the way the beat drop out for
Rado.

Speaker 1 (02:12:02):
Peace to Half Moon.
Caesars, all the bitches in thebleachers.

Speaker 2 (02:12:06):
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (02:12:10):
How about this?
That's the ghost verse thatmade me a fan of ghosts.
That's my ghost verse.
That's where I become a fan ofghosts.
That's where it's like I'mliking him on the purple tape.
I'm feeling the vibe.
That's where I was like yo, heneed his own album.

Speaker 2 (02:12:28):
He goes off.
But I think Kappa got it onstyle points, but Ray's verse
the way the beat drop out andRZA does the scratches.
Great Hold on, hold on Ray hasthe best flow on the record.
He does.

Speaker 1 (02:12:36):
Because he catches the scratches and the breakdown
at the same time, which isphenomenal.

Speaker 2 (02:12:43):
This is the perfect track.
The beats are 10 out of 10.

Speaker 1 (02:12:47):
All three verses are 10.
I love Ice Water.

Speaker 3 (02:12:51):
I hate you picking this.
This is my first pick.

Speaker 2 (02:12:55):
Tommy Hill Ice Rocketing.
Yo, that joint go crazy.
I might play that after we getoff the pod.
Yeah, love it.
And of course, like I talkedabout how cold it is, I got you
know I love it when these twoare on the track together.
I got JZA featuring InspectorDeck on Cold World Classic track
.
I got you know I love it whenthese two are on the track
together.
I got GZA featuring InspectorDeck on Cold World Classic track

(02:13:15):
.
Two wordsmiths Just lyrical,like Coop said, bar seminar
right here.

Speaker 1 (02:13:21):
Love this track.
Hold on Duel of the Iron Mic orCold World.

Speaker 2 (02:13:26):
For me, Duel of the Iron Mic.

Speaker 1 (02:13:29):
Me too.
Duel of the Iron Mic.

Speaker 2 (02:13:30):
Yeah, but that's just because of Dirty.
Dirty brings an element thatCold World don't have.

Speaker 1 (02:13:40):
I actually think it's Okay.
So for me, duel of the IronMike is the most underrated
Wu-Tang Posse cut of all time,because it's actually Jizzus,
deck, Master, killer and Dirty'son the hook.
That's a four-piece.
It is, it is and.

Speaker 2 (02:13:59):
I would say I like the beat slightly better than
Cold.

Speaker 1 (02:14:02):
World.
Oh, the beat is clearly better.
I think the bar work is better.

Speaker 3 (02:14:06):
He's going crazy on the beat.

Speaker 1 (02:14:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:14:09):
But yeah, I mean, who can?

Speaker 1 (02:14:10):
withstand our stonishing, punishing stings to
the sternum.
Yeah, hey, you see what it isbut Lock, stop seeking for a
serum to cure him.
Hey, master Killer, masterKiller has the third best verse
on that song.

Speaker 2 (02:14:25):
I'm glad you got to that.
But yeah, liquid Sword isturning 30 this year as well and
Cold World is a classic record.
So for my last record torepresent the cold, I got
Glaciers of Ice, and I'm gladyou brought up Master Killer
Coop, because I would say it'seither this or the Mystery of
Chess Boxing, one of the two.

Speaker 1 (02:14:46):
Hold on, hold on.
For me it's the Glaciers verse,the Duel of the Iron Mike verse
, and then the chest boxingverse.

Speaker 2 (02:14:52):
Oh, you got chest boxing third.
I got this in third.

Speaker 1 (02:14:57):
You don't like the?
Am I overrating the Duel of theIron Mike verse?

Speaker 2 (02:15:00):
I got chest boxing first this second and then Duel
of the Iron Mike third.

Speaker 1 (02:15:05):
No, Glaciers is first .
I'm going to tell you what hesounds more polished on this he
does, if not for Nas' verse onverbal intercourse.
You can make an argument thatthis might be the best verse on
the purple tape.

Speaker 2 (02:15:20):
I'm with you.
Yeah, I'm with you on that well.
I think we got I like thistangent because we got four
contenders.
We got Nas on verbal tangentbecause we got four contenders.
We got Nas on verbalintercourse.
We got Masked Killer onGlacier's Ice and we got GZA and
Deck on guillotines.
Those are all contenders forbest verse on Purple Tape.

Speaker 1 (02:15:44):
We got Ray on Incarcerated Scarface.

Speaker 2 (02:15:46):
There you go.
Which one?
All of them, I think it's thesecond verse.

Speaker 1 (02:15:50):
I think it's the second, all of them.
I think it's the second verse.
I think it's the second versefor me.
I think it's the second verse.

Speaker 2 (02:15:55):
I love all of them equally, to be honest.

Speaker 1 (02:15:58):
I feel that way.
It's funny we're doing the kickin the door thing.
That's how I feel about kickingthe door.
It's like pick a verse.

Speaker 2 (02:16:02):
That's my favorite big song.
That was our bar seminar forthis week.

Speaker 1 (02:16:06):
That's the best bar seminar on that album.
Actually, we're talking justverse to verse, but Ray's verse.

Speaker 2 (02:16:11):
like I do this for barbershop niggas in the plaza,
catch it up like that joint.

Speaker 1 (02:16:15):
That's the second verse.

Speaker 2 (02:16:20):
No, that's the third verse.

Speaker 1 (02:16:21):
Yes, that's the third .
Yeah, it's all up there.
It's crazy.
How about this IncarceratedScarface is like no, it's up
there with Dead Presidents.
Quiet Storm.
The World is Yours.

Speaker 2 (02:16:32):
And that's appropriate, because it's the
only solo shot on thereKnowledge, god.
Oh shit, yeah, I forgot aboutthat.

Speaker 1 (02:16:40):
I love Knowledge God.
It wasn't Knowledge God, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:16:45):
And Spot.

Speaker 1 (02:16:45):
Rushers Three solo joints Spot Rushers Knowledge,
God.

Speaker 2 (02:16:48):
Spot Rushers.
Yeah, you're right, all threeclassics.

Speaker 1 (02:16:51):
I love to beat Spot Rushers Knowledge.

Speaker 3 (02:16:53):
God Spot.

Speaker 1 (02:16:53):
Rushers yeah, you're right, you're right.
I love the beat to Spot Rushers.

Speaker 2 (02:16:57):
It's one of the lesser heralded songs on the
album.

Speaker 1 (02:17:03):
Yeah, it is.
That's why it's the top fiverap album.
One of your less heralded songsis Spot Rushers, or Knowledge.
God, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:17:10):
Shout out to Jamil Arif man when one of your less
heralded songs is Spot Rushersor Knowledge.

Speaker 1 (02:17:12):
God, it's crazy, crazy.
Shout out to Jamil Arif man.

Speaker 3 (02:17:16):
All right, Sean, what you got, player, We'll round it
out for me as you took myconcept.

Speaker 1 (02:17:22):
he had three of the songs, First of all.
I find that very hard tobelieve.
You're too slow, Sean.

Speaker 3 (02:17:26):
I find that very hard to believe I had to pay him a
screenshot.
I said, dude, you see what Ihad.
Hey look here, hey Sean.

Speaker 1 (02:17:33):
Sean, I'm not trying to rush you.
It's 24-24.
It's four minutes and 38seconds left.
You have two minutes and 15seconds.
I'm taking my time.
My first one Playing games.

Speaker 3 (02:17:46):
My first one.

Speaker 1 (02:17:47):
Playing games while the game is going.

Speaker 3 (02:17:48):
This one is featuring Kendrick the city.
This one I felt that Kendrickwas a problem because he came
through on that last version.
He killed that last version.
So I love the city and Ithought that game did a great
job of bringing him along forthe ride.
But Kendrick killed the city onthat joint Love, that joint.

Speaker 2 (02:18:05):
I like that.
Getting more game love, though.
That's what's up, man.

Speaker 3 (02:18:09):
That's dope.
I like the game love man.
I like the rest.
My second one is Bleak.
What the Mind Right Remix.
Yes, the Mind Right Remix.
And the only reason I pickedthis one is because I thought
about the conversation we'regoing to have tonight about just
getting into the war.
And this was to me when Jay andall those guys Jay and
Rockefeller drew the line whereJay was like yo, I'm ready for

(02:18:30):
anything.
Now.
I'm on my grind right now.
I'm the best in the game rightnow.
Whoever wanted it can get it.
He would diss a lot of peopleon this.
He'd diss everybody on thisjoint.
I was actually going at HarlemWorld on this.
I think it's up to me for aminute.
Beans, you got the Broad StreetBully.
Shout out to Philly.
Beans came through and killedthis as well.

(02:18:51):
And the Beans are hard Beanskills everything, beans kills
everything.
Everything.
Everything, my third one Iwanted to go right back to
Kendrick.
Ronald Reagan era featuring RZA.
Got RZA on that hook.
I love this joint.
This actually made me aKendrick fan.

(02:19:11):
This song, ronald Reagan era,made me a Kendrick fan.
This is the voice I want tohear Kendrick in.
I don't want to hear Kendrickin that weird voice.
I don't want to hear him inthat different optic that he
uses every now and then.
This is the voice I want tohear Kendrick in the Ronald
Reagan era.
People don't talk about thistrack enough.
It's a dark man.

(02:19:34):
This is one of those ones forme.

Speaker 1 (02:19:35):
You want to know what AG.
I actually agree with you.
You're right.
When people talk about hisgreatness and talk about his
catalog, this song does getskipped over.

Speaker 3 (02:19:43):
It is one of his better songs.

Speaker 1 (02:19:44):
It is possibly one of his 20 best songs Actually it
is one of his best songs.

Speaker 3 (02:19:49):
It's crazy.
I don't know how it gets lookedover and I don't know why this
song popped up to me Spaceships.
I was in Mississippi this weekand we was riding.
My driver had me going intosome back roads and I just put
on this song Good Music.

Speaker 1 (02:20:08):
Friday what's that Good?

Speaker 3 (02:20:08):
Music.

Speaker 1 (02:20:08):
Friday no that Good Music Friday.

Speaker 2 (02:20:15):
No this was on the first album.

Speaker 1 (02:20:16):
Call it Dropout.
Oh, is that Spaceships?
You know I can't read shitright, I'm just reading it.

Speaker 3 (02:20:24):
I remember Spaceships .

Speaker 1 (02:20:27):
I was in recruitment.

Speaker 3 (02:20:29):
When Spaceships came out, I was listening to this
song every day because I wasworking my ass off in the Marine
Corps recruiting duty and I waslike yo, this shit is crazy,
like these kids are getting on.
I want to fight these kids.
I'm fresh out of the war.
Yo, if you want to join, hey,sean you want to know what's
funny.

Speaker 1 (02:20:48):
Hey, sean, you want to know what's funny?
I took my first corporate jobaround the time spaceships came
out and I was training peoplelike twice my age and I wasn't
mentally like prepared for thatand so spaceships was kind of
like my song.

Speaker 2 (02:21:04):
Like.
What do you think If my manager?

Speaker 1 (02:21:06):
insults me again, I will be assaulting you.
After I fuck the manager up,I'm going to go shorten the
register up.
I was like yep, I was about todo all that.

Speaker 3 (02:21:16):
I had to play this whole album and I kept going
back to this song.
I was driving through, mydriver was taking us through
Bogalusa and Mississippi thisweek and I was just on the open
road, man, and just zoning out,just thinking about stuff, and
this song right here, I justsaid, man, let's play it one
more time, play it one more time.
And we just kept playing itover and over.
Man, but this this is whenKanye was to me was like one of

(02:21:39):
those ones.
Like you knew the guy wastalented and you knew that he
had something special.

Speaker 2 (02:21:45):
And not for nothing, like I don't know what ever
happened to GLC, but Kanyehaving them on a lot of his good
music stuff in the early eralike Consequence, and GLC got
some dope rap voices Both ofthem.

Speaker 1 (02:22:00):
I like GLC's voice better than Consequence's.

Speaker 2 (02:22:03):
I think Con's voice cuts through the track very well
too.
I think, they both got dope rapvoices and great pin games.

Speaker 1 (02:22:10):
Consequence's pin games is nasty.

Speaker 3 (02:22:12):
Yeah, shout out to Klaus, he's getting the money.

Speaker 2 (02:22:16):
Yeah, that's it gentlemen, Double it Sean.

Speaker 1 (02:22:20):
Alright, make sure you like and subscribe and share
to our channel.
Follow us everywhere we are.
We're on YouTube, we're onSpotify.
We're on Apple Music.
Sean, tell them everywhere weare.
We're on YouTube, we're onSpotify, we're on Apple Music.
Sean, tell them everywhere weare.
Yes, sir.
And I'm not talking about likeTinder or Bumble.

Speaker 3 (02:22:38):
I'm talking about like Tinder or Bumble.
You know what I'm saying, not.

Speaker 1 (02:22:42):
Tinder Bumble.

Speaker 3 (02:22:46):
We on X.
Remember AG is going black.
We're actually on X.

Speaker 1 (02:22:50):
Since it's not called Twitter anymore, we're on X.
You follow hip hop talks on X.
Look here, first of all, moreinside jokes.
Look here, ag.
You might have been on WhitePlanet.
I was on Purple Jesus, ag wason Snow.
Bunny Planet.
You know about that, okay.
I'm going to get him on there.
I'm going to get him off theair.

(02:23:12):
It's time to get him off, Seewhat people don't understand is
that after two and a half hourson air, Sean turns into a
gremlin.
We have to get him off the airbecause we can't afford to
repopulate 50 more of this shit.

Speaker 3 (02:23:27):
You really can't Shout out to Sean.

Speaker 1 (02:23:30):
don't give him water.
Don't give him water afternoonDamn midnight.

Speaker 3 (02:23:34):
What do you mean?
Let me get the people out.
Shout out to Apple for themajor support, for the words of
encouragement, ways to modelthose great things.
Thank you all who actuallydownload the shows on Apple.
Our Apple subscriptions arethere.

(02:23:54):
The numbers are really good onApple.
So we appreciate you guysactually listening to us, to our
voices while you're on yourApple devices or what have you.
Shout out to Spotify as well,because we're on Spotify, we're
on Amazon, we're actually oniHeartRadio as well.
So we appreciate all you guysthe love and thank you for those
outlets for having us as wellas partners.

(02:24:15):
Thank you to YouTube.
We're all on YouTube.
Make sure you like, subscribeand share.
Follow us on TwitterHipHopTalks1 on Twitter.
Shout out to our Discord.
Come and join us on the Discord.
Join us on the Facebook.
We're everywhere.
We got more to come and gotmore to share, so we appreciate
y'all.
Thank you all for the superchats.
Shout out to every one of youand we out.

Speaker 1 (02:24:35):
Shout out to everybody except for Mad Max
Peace Shout out to Mad Max.

Speaker 3 (02:24:41):
Queens, get the money .
And again, prayers for all ofthose who are impacted, for the
fires in California, yes, andprayers to anyone who's going
through anything crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:24:53):
And remember, pray for Coop because they don't know
how to drive down here whenthere's a quarter-inch of snow.

Speaker 2 (02:25:00):
Okay, About a quarter-inch and we got 18
inches.

Speaker 3 (02:25:06):
That's why we appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (02:25:10):
Sounds like you should be on a website with your
, a different website with your,18 inches piece Yo we out.

Speaker 3 (02:25:15):
Hey, yo Like.

Speaker 1 (02:25:20):
I took our YouTube money away.
At the end, all the YouTubemoney gone.

Speaker 3 (02:25:25):
Just like that.
You'll see Jeff send that backone more time, just in case.

Speaker 1 (02:25:31):
It only takes one moment.
All that revenue gone, just incase.
It's better than feeling itlike some other people have done
All right.

Speaker 3 (02:25:40):
We didn't do a whole segment on the Landry O'Ball
thing either.
Peace.

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