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Speaker 1 (00:01):
🎵outro music plays🎵.

(00:38):
What's good people?
Welcome to Hip Hop Talks, whereAG and I tolerate Sean for
another week, quite frankly.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Welcome, welcome, welcome, man Welcome.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
I got a quick shout out.
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Black-owned clothing brand.
They gave us a couple subs so Igave them a little pub.
You know what I mean, a littlehand-to-hand.
I was like, well, you know, ifyou plug us, we'll plug you.
So they're going to plug.
Check out God Complex.

(01:13):
Yeah, look them up.
Pretty good, I copped a littlesomething for mom for Christmas
gift today.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Are they based out of Atlanta?

Speaker 1 (01:23):
You want to know what .
I didn't even get that fartoday, you know what I mean Kind
of caught me on the humble.
I was like I kind of like the.
I like the approach.
You know what I'm saying.
I like the salesmanship.
I was actually on my way outthe door.
She kind of stopped me.
I liked her approach.
The approach is everything.
I even had time to look it upand look after any further.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
No doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
How are you, gentlemen, doing?
By gentlemen I mean how are youdoing?

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Cold man.
It's like 20 degrees here.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
It's cold over here too, man.
It's cold everywhere.
It seems like Everywhere it'scold, man.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, oh yeah, it's cold everywhere.
It seems like Everywhere iscold.
Man, yeah, oh yeah, it's beenfrosty, with a touch of kiss my
ass down here in Georgia, like,yeah, I've been waking up to 20
degree weather, which you knowis a little strange down here
this early in December, somewhat, so somewhat yeah, but let's go

(02:27):
ahead and get into it.
You know who just had abirthday the other day, sean.
Would you like to wax a littlepoetic about your favorite guy?
To?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
get this.
You know I'd love to do it.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Sean Carter celebrated another birthday.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Same name as you.
Same name as you, yet you hateme.
It's spelled the same too, it'sridiculous.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Did you know?
Hey did y'all know that thebook of Hove is selling for two
Gs?
Yeah, the actual book of Hove.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Are you?

Speaker 1 (03:01):
going to Sean from one Sean to another.
Would you spend two G's on youruh name likeness?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
on the book.
Absolutely, not absolutely notokay.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
If it was the book of esco, would you spend two g's
absolutely and I would get.
That is what makes you a punkyhater.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
I just want to get it out the way early in the show.
I would get the other print, Iwould get the cheaper print.
I wouldn't get no $2,000 print.
That doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
I have a copy that the homie Will sent me from when
he went to the museum.
It's definitely not the thickass book that they're selling
for $2,000.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Is it all pictures or is it actually any words in the
book?

Speaker 1 (03:50):
I haven't gotten that far in the investigation
process.
I'm still in the process ofprocessing the fact that he's
selling a book for $2,000.
You know you can get a Biblefor $24.95.
That is crazy.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
You can get you a Quran for $24.95.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
That is crazy.
You can get you a Quran for$19.99.
Right.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
That is crazy, that's nasty.
You know what?
It's funny because I have thedecode book.
I bought the decode book yearsago when it came out.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Okay, I'm sorry to hear that it was pretty solid,
that's all right yeah.
The RZA book is crazy, thoughTry not to read books from
rappers, that's me.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Oh yeah, the Wu-Tang man.
Yeah, that's really dope too.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Me reading a book, me reading a book.
It depends For somebody, likeif Wu-Tang Clan was doing a full
book with a breakdown of thehistory from a person-by-person
account, something like that.
Yeah, outkast Dungeon Family,because I'm from down here.
Yeah, but most of the stuff isold.

(05:00):
I wouldn't really delve intoreading.
For me, that's what the music'sfor, that's essentially what
the music's for?

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, that's essentially what the Wu-Tang
manual is, it you know?
Breaks down all the slang thatwe, as kids, didn't even know
what the hell they were talkingabout.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Most rap it along with it.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
A lot of acronyms going on we didn't even know
about.
Yeah, it gives you history andstuff.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
And another good read if y'all don't got it already
is Reading Illmatic by MichaelEric Dyson.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Actually, you want to know what I have read.
That that is good.
That is a good read.
Ag, now don't be out heretrying to educate other black
people.
You know they will shut us downfor shit like that.
You cut that out.
You stop that right now.
I want to make it through theentirety of the show.
Sean, get your boy Next timeBook a hotel $2,000.

(05:53):
I don't want to hear it.
Anniversaries Ludicrous Word ofmouth.
The show is cool Actually.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
I want to hear AG's perspective.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Because I want to hear AG's perspective, because I
want to kind of cover the TI'sUrban Legend, because I kind of
like have a comment about areflection of the two of the
albums, because Word of Mouthcame out before Urban Legend.
What do you have to say aboutWord of Mouth, ag?

Speaker 3 (06:18):
it came at an interesting time, like when Word
of Mouth came out.
I preferred Chicken and Beer.
Word of Mouth I wasn.
I preferred chicken and beer.
Word of mouth I wasn't as bigas a fan of, but Luda was a
household name and a superstar,you know, with that album and
but the album itself I didn'treally gravitate towards that
album as much Like and I'll behonest, like I was kind of

(06:41):
pigeonholing Well, that wasabout to sound crazy, but I was
putting Luda in a pigeonhole thesame kind of way I looked at,
say, a Busta Rhymes or so tospeak.
You know what I mean just kindof like dope rapper, let me
interject.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Is there something going on that I'm missing, that
makes you not do that still tothis day?
Am I missing something?

Speaker 3 (07:05):
no, I still do and a lot of people do, but it's and I
don't think it's fair.
But I'm admitting to my faultsbecause, um, you know they're
both dope mcs.
But when I'm talking about thelyricists and the spitters, you
know I'm saying I I have a hardtime, um, you know putting it,
putting them in that category.
You know what I'm sayingbecause I look at them as more

(07:26):
time.
You know putting it puttingthem in that category.
You know what I'm sayingBecause I look at them as more
so, like, you know the funaspect of hip hop.
They're more you know thecharacters, but you know they
can get busy lyrically when theywant to, and this Ludacris
album kind of, you know, hitthat point home for me, you know
.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
I thought this was his like coronation moment for
me as an outsider, who, whowasn't you know from that, from
that southern cloth, if you will?
Because I remember when thisalbum came out I was just about
to leave um japan and move bitchwas like everywhere in the
clubs at that time and it was,it was heavy, it was.
It was one of the heavy songs.

(08:05):
You also had Area Colds onthere as well which was massive.
Everywhere I've been you heardthat song Area Colds and Move
Bitch was really big across thenation and I felt like that was
the one to me.
This album was the one that puthim on that different plateau
of someone who just kind of cameout that bus.
Like you said, ag, you kind ofliken him to a Busta Rhymes type

(08:28):
figure.
You know Missy Elliott vein aswell.
Whenever we animated you didn'treally take him serious until
certain times but Luda was stillspitting.
Luda was up there, he wasreally up there spitting.
And I think this is one of thoseones where and I know, and I
think this is one of those oneswhere you're going to talk a
little bit about urban legendI've always felt like this was

(08:50):
the one to me that set him apartfrom TI because he was able to
really navigate different lanesacross board and not so much
regional.
I feel like this album didn'tmake him feel like he was just a
southern or Atlanta basedartist, but I think it made him
outside the region artist to me,based on where I was at that
time.
Dope album Coming to Americawas a dope kickoff to the album

(09:12):
too.
So love that album.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
I think a lot of what you're saying both of you are
saying is true, but I think whatis missing from the album is is
that?
Well, when you listen to wordof mouth, do you really really
know that ludacris is fromatlanta?
nope, no, nope that's what makeshim so appealing to hip-hop

(09:43):
heads outside of Atlanta asopposed to TI.
And that's why TI is biggerdown here, because we feel like
TI provides everything Ludaprovides, but it sounds and
feels and organically comes offas more Atlanta.
And so Word of Mouth is a goodalbum but I don't feel like it

(10:06):
really does anything special.
It's Luda doing what he does atLuda's best.
I'm not big on area codes or onmove bitch like that outside of
mystical versus stellar yeah,mystical toward mystical toward
move bitch up tour, move bitchup um.

(10:31):
But I do think that he isimportant to the atlanta scene
in terms of giving it eyes andears on us, and so I think the
importance of word of mouth hasa lot to do with just the
attention that it brought toatlanta, because it was him at
his peak and I think that partof it is important for Atlanta,
even if the sound doesn't attachitself to Atlanta in any sort

(10:51):
of identifiable way really.
And I also think that usuallyartists have an album in their
career like that typically,where they don't sound anything
like where they're from.
I think Schoolboy Q's CrashTalk sounds very Atlanta to me.
You know, those are my thoughts.
Next we have personal favoriteof mine, clips Hell Hath, no

(11:14):
Fury.
I could go for days, so I'mdefinitely going to close this
one up.
Sean, tell me what you thinkabout Hell Hath, no Fury.
No, load yourself.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Good, you need tell me what you think about Hell
Hath.
No, fury, no, load this out.
No, no, no.
First of, all okay.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Good, because I was about to say you need to watch
what you say, because I actuallygot somebody behind the boards
watching you and we were readyto cut you off about Hell Hath.
No.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Fury.
No, this is the one.
This is the one.
Nah, this is the one.
This is the one, because I feltlike this was them and also
Pharrell.
Pharrell's production on thisalbum to me is one of the most
stellar productions becausePharrell was batting pretty

(11:55):
solid leading up to this A lotof work with Nori, of course,
Corona, Queens, Left, Rack, CityGet the Money.
He was working a lot withPharrell and he was working a
lot of Jay's stuff as well, buthe wasn't coming up with beats
like this for those guys.
The beat selection here, whathe was doing with the production
here, was intentional.
It was intentional for Pushaand Malice and I felt like this

(12:17):
album to me was one of thosethat I've always held high, not
just as a clips discography butjust as a dual discography alone
.
This is one of those albumswhere I know AG and I talked
before about the locks versus,you know, re-up Gang, and I feel
like this was one of thosealbums that would make it hard
for me to defend, you know, abattle like that.

(12:38):
I still edge them out, but thisis that album to me that tips
the scale a bit more in favor ofa Re-Up Gang everywhere to go
that battle itself.
So again, album to me that tipsthe scale a little bit more in
the favor of a real gangeverywhere to go that battle
itself.
So again, love this album.
Shout out to the Clips.
Can't wait for the new album tocome out.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, I was hoping we was going to get that this year
, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
I don't think so, AG.
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Classic album and Sean already alluded to it.
But the biggest thing that thisalbum proved to me is that the
Neptunes could produce the endto end hip hop classic.
You know that was my biggesttakeaway from the album.
Of course, you know the barsare sharp from Pushing Malice.
They're going to do whatthey're going to do regardless.

(13:20):
But the production on herebecause you know the Neptptunes
as far as like hits and andthings like that, you know that
was their bag.
But you know, on my rankings ofproducers list, you have to be
able to craft a classic albumfrom end to end and they did
that here and I think when yougo through the entire um

(13:42):
neptunes catalog, I don't thinkthey have any other production
job that touches this album.
Personally, I agree.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
This album is really, really special, guys.
I mean to me at this point itmight be rap's most understated
rap classic.
In my opinion, the beat, theproduction by the Neptunes is 10
out of 10 on all levels.
Everything, everything is on a10 on the productions.

(14:12):
What doesn't get talked aboutenough is the actual beat
selection.
These are very purple tape,liquid sword type of beats.
They're rapping over.
This isn't the normal, likeNeptunes fray of beats.
There is something.
This isn't the normal, likeNeptune's fray of beats.
There is something about themworking with the clips that
brings something out in themproduction-wise that makes them

(14:34):
perform differently.
Maybe it's because of thesubject matter being discussed
by the clips.
It definitely could be apossibility, but this album just
feels different.
I very much hearken it.
I don't think it's on the samelevel.
I I very much hearken it like Idon't think it's on the same
level, but I very much hearkenit to a reasonable doubt or a
purple tape in terms of thelevel of the talk for that

(14:55):
content and subject matter.
Lyrically they're precise,sharp, their entendres,
metaphors, similes, bar seminars, days, witty punchlines, the
best entertaining Cokereferences this side of Jay-Z in
his prime.
It's a masterful album.
It has chilling moments.

(15:17):
You know they have songs onthere that definitely aren't
made for the radio butdefinitely are hip hop classics.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
I won't put it in a.
Cuban link arena.
But I get what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
I won't put it down.
No, no, no, it's not that level, it's not that level.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
I think you're saying the level of execution right.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yes, and it provides some of that feeling, it
restores some of that feeling.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
And I'm glad you brought up Reasonable Doubt.
And this is you know.
Shout out to Jay, his birthdaywas yesterday.
Happy birthday.
No, I'm joking.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
But I think it's more of a testament to how dope Jay
is, because— I expect that shadyshit from Sean.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
No, I had to get that one in there, but nah, for real
, it's more of a testament tohow dope Jay is himself as an
emcee, because, on Hell Hath, noFury to your point, coop, I
think Pusha is more.
Can I live Jay, and Malitz ismore, so regrets Jay.

(16:23):
Yes, you know what I'm saying,but they're an amalgamation of
Jay, as in two people coveringaspects that Jay covers himself
as an individual.
But they pull off being a greatamalgamation of Jay as a duo
with that same level of content.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
a great amalgamation of Jay as a duo with that same
level of content.
So to provide context to that,for me Pusha T on Hell, have no
Fury is more politics, as usual,friend or foe, jay.
Yeah yeah, and I agree with youabout Malice being the more like
regrets, jay, mm-hmm.
Yeah, being the more likeregrets, jay.
Yeah, mama, I'm sorry formistakes I have made.

(17:06):
How I, how I air familybusiness, how you put me in my
place, yeah, like he's talkingdifferently than push is on the
album.
But that's part of what makesthe album so special too, is
that you can feel that they are,um, they're at opposite ends of
the spectrum in the game.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
It's very yin and yang like yeah, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
It's like you can feel that malice is like you
know what I'm saying.
Even when he says at the end ofKeys, open Doors.
He's like you know, and I got aglow.
It's like the Lord's shownfavor.
These bitches fake like thehoes on flavor, but I don't mind
spending.
All it is is paper.
Yes, you know, it's almost likehe's at a he's almost at like a

(17:51):
state of normalness with thelifestyle and push on the album
is like fully fledged andengulfed and like having fun
with it, like on the street sideand on the rap side, and you
can feel that energy and thatopposition and it's it really
makes for a beautiful mix.
It's a wonderful listen, okay,we got to move to the next one.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
We got to kill the Super Chats cool.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Super Chats.
Who's sending money?
Mad Max, out here in thesestreets running wild again.
Cj the Kid what up?
Bless you guys as usual.
Hope you all guys are doingwell.
Can't wait to see what's instore for tonight's show.
You just sit tight, CJ.
Cj the Kid again.
Better album Hell, Half no Furyor Hell on Earth.
Hell on Earth.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Hell on Earth, Hell on Earth.
But that was a great questionthough.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, I like it.
I probably at this pointbecause it's more recent.
I want to tell you somethingabout me that I even realized I
don't listen to that old stuffas much as I used to.
I do listen to the more recentclassics more often, more fully,
because I haven't heard them asmuch.
I feel like I've gotten my fullon a lot of those albums
sometimes and it's like I reallygot to get in the mood to hear
them.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
That's fair.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Am I missing anything else, Sean?
Is that all the super chats?
Did I miss something?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
That was the last one , you good, okay, cool, we got
nods with Streets Disciple.
Guys, quick thoughts aboutStreets Disciple Shouldn't have
much to say.
Streets Disciple Wasn't thattoo much to say, wasn't that
good?

Speaker 2 (19:12):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (19:13):
You don't like Streets.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Disciple, it's okay Solid.
Oh, my goodness, man, it's God.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
It has some moments.
It's very up and down.
It's like a roller coaster atsix flags has some very, very
high moments, but sometimes youjust find yourself on the ride
kind of like waiting forsomething to drop, like the
entertaining, yeah, somewhere inthe middle.
It's good, though, like themoments on there that are high.
I'm super impressed with youknow some of the other stuff.
It's like you know you're gonnacatch up.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
He's been, um, uh, real quick.
Um, I got a weird relationshipwith street disciple because I
got a few different memoriesattached to it, like when it
came out I heard the album, um,two, I want to say two weeks
early.
Um, two weeks early I had ahomie that, uh, worked at a

(19:59):
record shop that sold all themixtapes.
His name was tashim, he wasfrom brook, he actually rapped
too, tiger the 8.
Shout out if you're watching,bro.
I ain't talked to you in years,but shout out to you.
And he called me from the spotand was like yo, come down to
the record store.
We don't listen to just new Nas.
This is two weeks before it'sout.
They just had it and stopped.
So we listened to the wholedouble album in in full.

(20:21):
You know I'm saying it blazingon the speakers in the record
shop and of course we like supergas.
We both like nas fans, think hethe goat and super gas with the
album, and you know what I'msaying.
There's something personalhappened, you know, family wise,
that same day and took a crazyturn.
I won't overshare.

(20:41):
I think I told sean the story,but you know it was a ill family
situation and I just had tofall back from a lot of stuff at
the time, so I didn't dial backinto the album until probably
about a month after it wasofficially released and then,
when I did.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Uh, you didn't miss a lot.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
You didn't miss a lot yeah, then when I did that it
wasn't hitting the same becauseyou know, I was like gassed at
the fact I was listening to herearly and all the stuff and then
, you know, fast forward, thenit was out and I was kind of
like, well, this is definitelynot one of his best.
A lot of joints he was spitting, but I didn't have that same
feeling.
But oddly enough, um, at thetime I was getting married the

(21:22):
same year that the joint cameout.
So all those joints that peoplehate, you know what I'm saying.
To get married that no one elsein the room I was vibing to
them joints because I wasgetting married the same year,
same over here actually.
Yeah, but now I'm not, so Idon't listen to them.
So they're a little different.

(21:46):
So they're a little different.
They're a little different now.
But overall, you know, it'sdefinitely not one of nas's best
joints, towards the bottom ofhis catalog.
But I just got a weirdrelationship with that album,
just like in the means of whichI heard it didn't get to tap
into it when it first came outbecause I was, like you know,
zoned out on some other stuffand you know, when I did tap
back in I was feeling it on themarriage side of things.

(22:08):
But you know, things happen.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
So I think, ag, the way that you just described
where you were in your life andin the process of getting
married is the exact same reasonwhy this album isn't that good
overall.
Because, well, he's somewheredifferent in his life and he's
getting married for the firsttime and this album doesn't

(22:30):
sound cohesive, it doesn't soundin unison, the songs don't
sound completed.
The songs that do soundcompleted are brilliant, in my
opinion, and very understated.
Like Rest of my Life is one ofmy favorite Sleeper Nas joints.
Just a Moment is one of thosemoments where it's like, oh no,

(22:51):
when they complete, when hecompletely fully and does the
song, it's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Do you like Nazareth Savage?
That's my favorite, nazarethSavage.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Nazareth Savage is a bar seminar agent.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
That's nasty Nas, that's nasty Nas, that's nasty
Nas.
Right there, okay.
So I like.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Streets, disciple, streets.
Disciple is my joint.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Oh yeah, I like both of them.
I like Streets Disciple andDisciple where he's mimicking
Cool G yeah.
Yeah that one's my spot, that'swhat.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
I mean there are joints on there.
They just don't sound as fulland as finished as some of them
should.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
And we should be honest, thief's Theme came out
quite a while before the albumdropped and we thought that the
whole album was going to soundlike Thief's Theme.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
It needed to if they were going to drop the.
How about this?
I wish they would have releasedsomething like Rest of my Life
as the first single, because Ithink it would have given that
was the middle ground on thealbum for where he was in life.
To me, you get what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah, but this theme is a top 40-ish Nas song.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, you can't go wrong with this theme.
That sets the tone, becausethat's classic Nas.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
It's more the beat, it's more the beat, it's more
the beat than him, and you don'tsay that about a lot of his top
records.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
It's a B-side.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
That's a classic example, though I didn't like it
the second time he used it on.
Hip Hop Is Dead, though.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
What was his name?
William messed that up.
Him out here William messedthat up.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Now Hip Hop Is Dead is worse than this.
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
We're not going to do this tonight.
We're not going to say happybirthday to Jay, and then we're
going to shit on off.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yes, we can't do that .

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Everybody knows what happened to Jay on his birthday.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
I'm just saying let's make sure we highlight that as
opposed to saying this nigga 56,57.
According to the math, in 2001,when he was 36 in a karate
class, he said he was 67.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
He said 56, 57.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
56, 57.
Jay, you need a Medicare now.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
You know you were given new coinage and
phraseology.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
I can't take you nowhere, even digitally.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
We can't even take you to YouTube.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
No, I'm working on myself, oh man.
You're working on yourself, ohman.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Can we get you a therapist to work on you?
You working on yourself isn'tworking for the team at Hip Hop.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Talks.
Yeah, you want to talk about acrazy experience, though.
Like those type songs, listento Street Disciple and then Life
is Good back to back.
That's a wild ride right there,wild ride.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Wild ride.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Life is Good, that's a wild ride right there.
Wild ride, life is good as mybag.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Now getting married.
What's my point?
I love getting married, that's.
That song was like man, it waslike yo I don't know about that
I'm ready to get married.
I'm ready.
No one else in the room, allthose records.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
You could have kept those makings of a perfect bitch
that's what killed that joint.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Don't do that.
That sound like a perfect bitch.
Maxwell killed that joint.
Don't do that.
That sounded like a perfectreception song, if we're being
honest.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
What was the?

Speaker 1 (25:46):
headset he was in.
Let's go receive it on anotheralbum.
Let's not put it on that.
Let me get some Super.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Chats cool.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Okay, oh yeah, war was the joint I posted on the
Discord.
It got three and a half mics,cj the Kid, $2.
Yeah, three and a half.
I think that's about it.
Yeah, jermaine Johnson $4.99.
Because of his premature exit,the world never fully understood
or appreciated Malice emceeingskills.
He's been in a lot of ourfavorite emcees a lot, I agree.

(26:14):
I agree, jermaine Johnson,totally agree.
For a lot of the time he wasbetter than Pusha.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
CJ the Kid, $2.
I liked War and Remember theTimes.
I like Remember the Times.
Remember the Times is dope tome.
Remember the Times is a wildversion of Girls, Girls, Girls.
That one is crazy.
I can see that I never thoughtabout that.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
I never thought about that before.
That's a possibility, okay,last one on the anniversary is
TI's Urban Legend.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
You already spoke about that, coop, but I'll just
be real quick and then pass itto sean.
But, um, that's the.
That's the album that reallymade me a ti fan.
Um, you know, I'm serious, Iwasn't really, you know, on on
the ti train and then you know,by the time, um, he got around
to a urban legend.
No trap music, I was payingattention.

(27:05):
Trap music got my attention.
But when he dropped UrbanLegend I was like, okay, this
might be the best Southernrapper out period.
This is when Wayne is active,this is when Andre still blazing
features and stuff.
But Urban Legend made me payattention to like, okay, this
dude is for real.
But then by the time we get toKing, I'm a full-blown fan and

(27:25):
King is one of my favoritealbums of the modern era.
But Urban Legend is the onethat really made me a TI fan.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
As well as Shedad.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
I'm gonna be honest, it didn't do nothing for me.
I'm gonna be honest with you2004, it didn't do anything for
me.
I didn't become a TI fan untilKing.
When King came out, I went backand listened to Urban Legend.
When Urban Legend first cameout, it just didn't catch me.
I'm being honest, I couldn'tvibe to it.

(27:54):
I just couldn't.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
It was the J sample.
It was the J sample, no, no.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
I just couldn't connect to it.
I couldn't connect to it, Icouldn't connect to it.
You know, I'm 24 at this time.
I'm still.
I'm wearing.
I don't think it's very.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
It's very much like word of mouth in the sense that
well, it doesn't soundsuccinctly Southern.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Right.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
This is Lee Southern sounding album of his run.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Which probably got my ear and I was buying into the
whole Jay-Z of the South talk.
I was buying into that whenUrban Legend came out like this,
that might be the Jay of theSouth.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Put on the Reasonable Doubt t-shirt when the classic
album covers was popping andstuff.
He had a moment.
But, ag, you also liked itbecause, ag, you're like me.
You're somebody who likes doperhymes.
There's a lot of dope-assrhymes on Urban Letters it is.
It's very Carter 2-like in thatit's like well, not his biggest

(28:54):
hits, but as far as his barwork is concerned, some of his
best stuff, arguably.
Yep, yeah, I don't disagree.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
In hindsight, I don't disagree.
Is that motivation?
Yeah, in hindsight, I don'tdisagree.
In real time I couldn't.
And I was around a lot ofSouthern guys in the military at
that time.
My crew at that time was allthe guys from Georgia and they
thought it was crazy Because Iwas listening to, I was on some
other stuff at that time.
I was listening to Purple Haze.
While I was listening to this,I'm being honest with you, I was
listening to this.

(29:22):
I'm going to be honest with you.
Oh, this is way better thanPurple Haze.
But I'm saying in hindsight,yes, but in real life Purple
Haze was going crazy for me atthat time.
I'm going front.
I didn't appreciate TI untilKing and on Paper Trail.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
King and.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Paper Trail, because when I heard what you know about
that I was like yo, he might bethe one.
That's when I finally admit I'mlike he might be the one.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah tip is special because you want to know what it
is.
It's his most New York rapperalbum to me because he's very
street still but very lyrical atthe same time, like when he
says stuff you gonna make mebring the Chevy to a real slow
creep.
My neck is hanging out thewindow, mouth full of gold teeth
.
When the guns start popping,when it's cold, chop and hit you

(30:11):
in the side and create a slowleak yeah, he was spitting on
there, it was dope yeah, he'sgoing wild on there and it's
like it's like in the way that,quite frankly, most new york
rappers rap actually not mostsouthern rappers rap but I feel
like he had a point to prove.
It's like well, I'm not just agreat Southern rapper, I'm a
great rapper period, and I thinkhe did an excellent job of that

(30:32):
.
His cadence was flawless, Ithink, as far as the agility of
his delivery, this is theagility of his delivery at its
peak, because he was justsliding on everything so easily
this and King.
Okay, guys, we got to go tosomething a little bit more
recent.
Hasn't Sky Zoo just droppedsomething new?
Guys, keep me company.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Sean, you're a New York native.
I feel like when I listen to aSky Zoo project, I hear somebody
, especially in the I guess,what I'd say second half of his
career has really spent a lot ofthe projects talking about the
re-gentrification or thegentrification just period of
Brooklyn.
Through his eyes it has verynostalgic tones.

(31:22):
He's very Jay-Z and Nasinspired.
This album is no different tome.
What say you to all thosethings I just said?

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Absolutely, Absolutely.
I mean honestly.
I got on this album afterseeing the discord shout out to
the discord.
Um, the discord was talkingabout it a lot and I said let me
go and check out this guy'szoom and see what's going on.
It's a good listening album.
I'm still sitting with it, I'mstill parsing through it, but
it's a good listening album,Very jazz-influenced.

(31:50):
Sky Zoo is talking dope.
He's spitting dope right now.
To be honest with you, I think,AG, you hit me up and you were
like yo, this might be my topfive album this year.
In real time, yeah, I'm gettingthat vibe.
And in real time, yeah, I'mgetting that vibe.
I had to listen to it some more.
I love, you know, the kickoff.
You know, keep me company, I'msorry, community service.

(32:13):
I love jazz.
I love the record store day.
I love the story behind it.
It's almost like that.
It's just a feel good record.
You know what I mean when youlisten to an album like this,
straight through.
It doesn't take you too high,it doesn't take you low, it just
keeps you right there.
And hear my attention.
You can hear the Nasinfluencing, like you said, Kool

(32:34):
, you can hear the Jayinfluencing there.
Get this intentional.
The right skits, the rightcontext to set the song up.
It has like a JamesBaldwin-esque type of feel, if
you will, in some of the jointsthat he's talking, he's speaking
on and it's just a dope record.

(32:54):
I don't think it's over the topfor me right now.
I just think it's a dopeproject right now.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
I'm going to push back a little bit with you, sean
, and I'm gonna tell you why.
And, ag, I'm gonna push backwith you too, and both of y'all
tell me that you're feeling likethis might end up being a top
five project.
Does the style of hip-hop thata sky zoo and a master ace make
and I'm being very serious whenI ask this, does it really
matter anymore?
Guys, yes, like how much doesthis style of hip-hop really

(33:32):
really matter?
Because I just I'm, I guess I'min that place where it's like
I'm tired of it not moving theneedle.
So I'm trying to, or I'mfinding myself dissecting why
it's not moving the needle.
I will say that I feel like hesuffers from, I feel like what a
lot of eras.
We know that that era of the 86to 96 MCs is the best era MCs,

(33:59):
because the MCs that have comeafter have all built their
campaigns on it, some better,some for worse.
You know, like somebody like aRick Ross and a TI have taken
what, like a Jay-Z has done andyou know what I'm saying and
molded and modeled some of thatbehavior and made themselves

(34:21):
successful.
And I think for Sky Zoo he'stried to embody something hip
hop wise.
He's tried to embody somethinghip-hop-wise that is, tribe and
De La Soul-like with the jazzinfluence, nas and Jay-Z-like
with the bar work and KRS-Oneand Chuck B-like with the
content, and I love the recordwith Chuck B on here by the way.

(34:41):
That might be the best joint onthere.
I'm going to get to some of thethings that I think he should
possibly do, but I think we needto understand this the style of
hip-hop that Skyzoo makes guys,well, it was tough to go gold
when that was the style of musicto make, and that's what I mean
when I say well, how viable isit for an artist like Skyzoo to

(35:03):
make this style of music?
And I'm not saying he shouldswitch his style up or do
anything different, but thinkabout it.
It was a struggle for a MobbDeep to go gold.
We look at the infamous andhell on earth and it sounds like
it should be double and tripleplatinum, but it's not in
reality.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Well, to answer your question.
To answer your question,there's two answers.
Does it matter to the masses?
Absolutely not.
Does it matter to what now is aniche audience?
Yes, it does Because, like youspoke on, coop, sky Zoo is
approaching this album andprojects in general as kind of

(35:44):
like a last of a dying breed, soto speak.
You know what I mean.
He's trying to keep that aliveand if, like you know, even if
it's a small niche audiencethat's championing that, if we
don't act like it matters, thennobody will.
So you know I love the albumpersonally.
Like I told you, sean, itcracked my top five when I was

(36:05):
listening to it over the pastcouple days.
Before that number five spotwas common and um pete rocks the
auditorium.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Volume one okay, so the same thing with that album.
It's like, okay, so how viablereally is it in these days and
times?
And, to be honest with you, howexciting is this project gonna
be to you in about 30 days?

Speaker 3 (36:23):
I'm glad.
I'm glad you said exciting,because that's the only thing.
And then sean alluded to it too, where he's talking about his
steady the auditorium album.
It didn't excite me as much asI thought it would.
But this album, for those samereasons I can't put it over.
Um, the ll album, the kendrickalbum, rhapsody, uh, freddie

(36:44):
gives like it doesn't haveexciting moments per se, but
what he's doing conceptually onthis album and what he's doing
with the lyrics gives, you know,for me gives him that nod at
that number five spot, like he'salways been conceptual.
He's quietly having a great run,like with, uh, retro pod and
all the brilliant um things andthen, um, the mind of a saint

(37:04):
and then the Mind of a Saint andthen this, you know, that's a
nice little run and he's alwaysconceptual.
He puts a lot of thought andcare into his songs and, like
you said, he's very Jay-Z, veryNas-inspired.
But Sean brought up RecordStore Day and skits that make
sense the store run skit beforethat where he's talking to the

(37:26):
shorty about like yo, you ain'tup on records and stuff, and
then he goes into a full-blownconcept record about picking up
a shorty at the record store andwhat that vibe is like you
never been to a record store day, you can't really get that.
But if you've been to a recordstore day it's a whole vibe.
And to build a concept aroundthat and to do an interpolation

(37:46):
off Jay-Z's Girls, girls, girls,for the record, like Sky Zoo
man, he's putting a lot of careinto it.
And you said the Chuck D jointgroup fired Esoteric, fired so
much heat on this record man, Ilove it all the way around.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Okay, okay, okay, and I agree with everything that
you said.
But also, okay, okay, and Iagree with everything that you
said.
But also, too, I think you justpointed out the three best
records on the album.
In my opinion, that's the ChuckD record.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
And they're an order, it's a run.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, so there is a run on the album.
But this is what I mean aboutbeing viable in the space.
Like, think about what?
Is this?
The record store record?
What is it called?
Record Store Day, record StoreDay, yeah, record Store Day,
store day.
Right, oh, that that recordshould already been dropped and
should already have visual aidsto it.
Fellas, like that's right.

(38:32):
Like, because when I hear thatrecord, I'm like this is fucking
brilliant.
I'm just like you, ag.
I'm like, oh, he's using the jflip, it's catchy, it's
nostalgic, the hook is dope, thebars are nice, it's got a
different flow and vibe to it,but it's still kind of got that
tribe feel and but but it's like.
Well, is he going to make itviable?

(38:55):
Like, you know, like, like whyis it no Like for real?
Why is there not a visual aid?

Speaker 3 (39:00):
I think something.
I think something more soanswers your question.
It's something that somebodyelse said and it goes into how I
feel about the album, why ithas to be viable.
It has to matter or meansomething to the niche audience
or it won't ever.
On a wider scale I don't knowif y'all seen it, but y'all know
Ma San.
Ma San, on his Instagram story afew days ago, was shouting out

(39:26):
Kendrick and you know we'll getto Kendrick later.
He said my son said thatKendrick, he was happy that
Kendrick revived the West Coastsound and because Kendrick
revived the West Coast sound,that New York could go back to
sounding like New York again,because New York rappers were
chasing the trends, aka tryingto sound like southern rappers

(39:47):
or what have you.
So he was thankful that, okay,new York, it's time to get back
into your bag and bring it backto that gritty NY sound, and he
was thanking Kendrick for doingthat on the west coast.
But what I got to say to my sonis people like Sky Zoo has been
keeping the New York soundalive.
It's just a lot of people don'tcare to check.
He's very New York with hisapproach.

(40:10):
So if it doesn't matter to thecore people that it's made for,
then it'll never matter to themasses.
My son's overlooking stuff likethis.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
I don't think he's overlooking AG.
I think it's more about thehearing palette right now.
The hearing palette isdifferent right now because if
you think about it like this,like no shade to Coop, but when
Coop said Glorilla had album ofthe year, contender, no, I'm
just saying, I'm making anexample, because I'm going to
push back on him a little bit.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
I didn't say that.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
He's just a contender .
I said it was a dope album,right, and you're saying because
you're listening to it.
Yeah, you said it was a dopealbum.
It's an album contender of theyear and when you said that I
couldn't understand where youwere coming from.
I couldn't identify, I couldn'trelate.
But I can understand your earbecause you're hearing Glorilla.
You're hearing a loud music.

(41:03):
The loud music is what'sgetting the attention right now.
I'm not talking about loud andthe yelling in the mic or
whatever.
I'm talking about just thesound, the sonics and what
they're saying, because they'resaying catchy things.
Sky Zoo is not saying anythingcatchy on here.
Everything going here is justbottom line hip-hop in its
purest, rawest form.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
I don't want to hear him over these big modern sounds
per se, but what I do.
But okay.
So if you're going to fulfill aniche, I think you just need to
fulfill the niche at itshighest order, and I think that
highest order is Record StoreDay, esoteric, the Joint with
Chuck D those are the recordswhere he sounds his best.

(41:46):
And I guess what I'm saying.
I'm not saying that it's a badproject, guys.
I'm giving the project a goodrating.
I don't know if it's going tomake my top five.
It might make my top 10.
It's definitely making my top20.
It is one of the 20 best rapalbums I heard this year.
For certain.
I know that just off.
I've only listened to it once.
I don't know how many times youguys have gotten to listen to
it.
I've only gotten one fulllisten to it.
Three full times.
Okay, I've only listened to itone full time, so it might grow

(42:10):
on me a little bit better.
So, but so these are initialthoughts that I'm giving off,
but I just don't.
I don't see the push, I don't,I don't hear where it's really
just going to make the noisethat it needs to make.
It's another dope hip-hoprecord for another dope hip-hop
artist.
Some of the questions yeah, no,no, no, there's nothing wrong

(42:32):
with that.
Some of the questions that Ikind of had were like well, is
Sky Zoo a top 10 Brooklyn MC alltime?

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Brooklyn got some joints.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Off the top of my head, I gotta say no so we
taking Kane Big and Jay offright, fab AZ, fab AZ 5 Jizza.
Jizza who is Yazine?

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Pete, I mean.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Old Dirty Talib who.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Talib what, there you go.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
You call us haters Right.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
That's cool.
You said Old Dirty.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah, ain't.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Busta.
Brooklyn you said old dirty,yeah, ain't, ain't Buster
Brooklyn nah.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
I thought he claimed Brooklyn, long Island.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Long Island.
Is that Long?

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Island, it's more Long Island, yeah okay, he grew
up in Brooklyn, though he wentto school in Brooklyn with Jay
and Big yeah, foxy, foxy.
Foxy and Kim.
There you go.
So we already got team 11.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Top 20?
.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Oh yeah, he's in that 20.
He might be in that 20 piece hemight be in that 20.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
But I mean it's Brooklyn, though, so that's
nothing to sneeze at.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
It might be the deepest borough.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I won't go that far.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
I said it might be.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Corona, queens Ain't.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Sean P Brooklyn.
I said Sean P earlier.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
I didn't hear you say Sean P.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
You said Price.
Oh, he's Brooklyn, brooklyn,okay, yeah, he's at 12 at a
minimum, at a minimum, at aminimum.
Okay, so that's what it is, andhere's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Joey D.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
I prefer to listen to a Joey project, but I don't
think he's better than ScottZubin.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
They're on the same footing.
I'm glad you mentioned it, butthey're on the same footing.
That's the same realm that he'soperating in.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
I don't think Joey's a better MC than Sky Zoo.
I just can't say that Sky Zoohas been too nice with bars and
concepts for too long for me tosay that.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
We could probably say the same about him and ODB,
then it's a style thing.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Baby, I can't wait, I can't wait.
Fuck that big Jesus.
There's no fucking way back.
You can't beat that.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
That sounds crazy.
I can't wait.
That sounds crazy, I can't wait.
I did not like that.
First hurry, nah, bro.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
That's an old experience, man.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
I'm telling you, man, nigga please, nigga please,
it's special, it is it really is.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
It was crazy.
Nigga please, Nigga please.
Special it is.
It really is.
It was crazy, he did.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Cold Blooded by Rick James and Good Morning Cardiac
by Billie Holiday.
Who the hell read that?
Rick James and Billie Holiday?

Speaker 3 (45:56):
on the same album man .
I miss that dude man.
I can't say enough how much Imiss Dirty man Just off.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
style alone, he's a top 50 MC.
Style alone, he's top 50.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
No doubt You're right , no doubt.
What am I thinking?
One of one, one of one, one ofone, yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Special, special guy.
Okay, guys, we're going toslide to the next.
Hold on, where are we ratingthis album before we slide?

Speaker 3 (46:20):
I'm going to give it a solid four.
I'm feeling like a three.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
I give it a three and a 3.8.
3.8.
I got to listen to it some more.
I got to listen to it some more.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
My early thoughts are solid four.
But solid four is, I don'tthink, going to crack the top
five.
I do feel like that's where thePete Rock and Common are at.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
But I feel like that's more the back end of the
top 10 this year.
I think this album and thatalbum are very comparable.
It just depends on a preference.
You know what your mood is.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
I mean, it's the same mood pretty much, but just if
you like you know the highs onthe Pete Rock in Common are
better, but the bar work in theend is actually better.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
on that, I can't say that because it ain't a song on
that comment and p rock that Ilike as much as esoteric or
record store day on this yeah,same here record store day, just
special to me, it just recordrecord store day is special.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
I don't know if it's it's okay for artists like him.
This is what I mean when you'rea maybe p got the production.
Maybe that's it if you want togo that route, but yeah, could
be well, actually in the nameand the name recognition Could
be, and the name recognition aswell.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
I think the name pushes over a little bit too.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
I'm going to listen to them because, like I said,
not retropodding, but Keep MeCompany jumped over the
auditorium in my list for thatfive spot.
But this weekend I'm going tolisten to them back to back and
see what I think.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
No doubt.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Oh, I mean, we talked .
What about like Dance and Fame,like?
What about MOP?

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Yeah, Brownsville.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yep Jeru the Damager yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
I mean you're getting closer to 20, what?

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Coop said OC.
So that's what I mean.
So it's harder for a rapper ofhis caliber to make an imprint,
making this style of hip-hop,because we can go get this from
a Nas still.
He still yeah, you know what Imean.

(48:20):
He would fall in that category.
You have somebody like a Bennythe but butcher and a conway the
machine who have kind of, likeyou know, taking what he has
done on the independent routeand leveled it up in terms of
impact.
Some you know what I'm saying alot of their early joints.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
you know they were with sky zoo I'm gonna push back
on that coop because like thestyle of records, yes, but like
it depends on the author,because as dope as the author
Nas is and his rhymes, hedoesn't make a song like Record
Store Day.
We get a store run but Nasdoesn't make a Record Store Day
song.
We don't get that from him.

(48:57):
You know what I mean, becausethat's from, like, granted Nas
is very nostalgic, but Sky Zoois speaking from a fan
perspective, like you know whatI mean.
It's kind of you know, and Ilove Nas, but I don't think we
get this type of record from Nas.
Concept yes, but thatparticular concept, no, because
you know Nas is somewhere else.
You know Sky Zoo is still.

(49:18):
It's relatable.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
This is a record that Fonte would make, if that makes
sense, good point oh, I feelyou, it's got more of a ground
level feel to it, but I don'tknow if that's what he does.
That's what I mean about makingthis record into something.
It's like I want this record tobe more than that.
I want this record to be morelike oh, I want it to be more
like a common come close or thelight for him.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
That's fair, but for me it's the opposite.
That's what endears the albumto me.
I'm a big Fonte fan, so I likethat kind of stuff, the everyman
type thing.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
I don't mind the everyman of it, but can we make
it big enough that it creates aripple for him, that it changes
things for him and he gets morenotoriety Because he is a really
dope MC.
And he gets more notorietybecause he is a really dope MC.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
He's been around for a long time he has.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
That's what I'm saying.
Alright, I digress, we're goingto go to the next thing.
Uncle L's talking again, made atop five rap album this year
and he's just won't be quiet,guys.
This is what happens when yourfavorite rapper's favorite
rapper ends up making a dopealbum when he's like 55.

(50:29):
Isn't?
He like Aren't he and Jay likethe same age?

Speaker 3 (50:34):
He's maybe one or two years older than Jay, I think
two years.
Ll, I think, is 57.
Somebody in the chatfact-checked that, but I think
LL is 57.
Jay just turned 55, doublenickel okay.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
I still think, jay, about 58 man, but yo but L L has
.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
CJ the Kid with my favorite track.
My favorite track is Reason $2super chat from CJ the Kid.
I just wanted to clear that hehas a point.
Cj the kid with my favoritetrack.
My favorite track is reason twodollars super chat from cj the
kid.
I just wanted to clear that outbefore we started talking about
uncle l saying that he is themost important rapper that ever
existed.
Is he wrong?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
I don't think he's wrong.
I don't think he's wrong man.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
I mean like he has the ability to talk from a
vantage point that hardlyanybody else does.
You know what I mean, becauseyou get a chance to look at the
field and the groundwork andeverything that came after you.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
So, prescribing to that thought, it's prescribing to the
thought that, well, I did itfirst, hereby, thereby.
That's what makes me the bestat this.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Most important and best are two totally different
things.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
They're saying two totally different things.
Okay, this is what I'm sayingwhen I'm saying most important.
What are you talking about whenyou were saying most important?
You're talking about somethingthat he did 1985 and the fact
that he's still doing it now.
Like, like, how, how, how muchhas that importance resonated

(52:13):
consistently over the course ofthis run or reign?
How much has it diversifieditself from a rapper standpoint?
Hold on, let me give you anexample of what I'm saying, like
when I say how much has itreally been from a rapper
standpoint.
Hold on, let me give you anexample of what I'm saying like
when I say how much has itreally been from a rapper
standpoint?
Because he said most importantrapper that ever existed.
Yes, so you have somebody who weall think is the goat, naz.

(52:38):
I mean naz has mass appealPakistan right now and is
literally signing Africanartists, like right now.
Like viable.
Has a rapper in the hip hopculture sphere not and I'm not
saying any of thisdisrespectfully to L not hosting

(52:58):
uh award shows, acting on TVseries, film or or any of that.
He said most important rapper.
Have you experienced maybe themost important moments for a
rapper?
I think definitely.
Does that necessarily make youthe most important rapper over

(53:18):
the full duration of it, becausewhen we talk about Nas being
the GOAT, we talk about it beingthe consecutiveness and the
consistency and the longevity ofthe run and how viable it has
been musically at the end of theday and I'm not saying he's

(53:38):
wrong, I'm just playing devil'sadvocate, especially since you
niggas are so quick to say yeahto everything today well, no,
I'm just good atcompartmentalizing, right.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
So it most important doesn't mean best at all and it
doesn't to me even mean the mostimpactful, because you can say
impactful and just have a momentof hip-hop like kendrick's
having the most impactful yearswe've ever seen.
You got wayne's impact, you gotkan, you got Jay Nas, whoever.
But most important, like yousaid, you know you can take Nas,

(54:11):
but Nas grew up watching L.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
I was just using an example.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Right, but Nas grew up watching L.
So if L doesn't spark that, youknow, like yo, I can do this.
You know what I'm saying To Nasthen do we even get Nas,
because you said it yourself.
You said that Andre you wastalking about Andre made you
believe that you could rap.
And who did you say before him,Like you said Scarface, no.

(54:43):
Him like um, you said scarface,no, I think you said scarface,
you know, made you uh want torap.
And then, uh, andre made youbelieve you could.
I think that's how you put it.
I might be paraphrasing itwrong, but anyway to to that
point, ll probably sparked a lotof the minds that we hold
higher than him to think, likeyo, I can really do this.

(55:06):
You know I can rap.
Ll's a superstar.
They may have surpassed him,but he would still be more
important because he sparkedtheir brain to go forward.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
I mean, okay, so you take somebody like a Jay-Z or a
Tupac that, have somebody like aKanye West or a Kendrick Lamar
that they've influenced andinspired for whole generations
down in a tub.
It's like well, he's not.
Does he have a viable case whenhe is saying it?
Yes, it's just not as cut anddry as people are making it out
to be.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
No, it's not cut and dry.
But if you ever, if anybodyever, tapped into Ancestrycom or
whatever when you checking outand Sean always talks about the
tree but if you're checking outyour ancestry, depending on the
information that's beensubmitted, it'll go back so far
and then you get to a certainpoint where it should just cut
off.
It stops because you can onlygo back so far and I think for

(56:01):
LL, for a lot of people, that'sthe stopping point Once you keep
tracing the thread back so far.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
OK, that's what I'm saying.
So, in terms of his legacy andhis importance, that is the
thing.
He is the legacy superstarrapper quintessential.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
And he and, like I said, he is our archetype and
motif about the bravado thatcomes with the mc all of these
things are part of theimportance of it.
What I'm saying is is that,outside of those things and
those things are as important asimportant could be when it
comes to hip-hop, especiallywhen you look at how the modern
day mc has behaved you know whatI'm saying.
On and off the mic, he, he'ssuper important.

(56:45):
After those moments, afterthose groundbreaking, legendary
moments, how consistently viableand important has he been?

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Very, because LL created the blueprint that's
still going today and thebiggest artist that was in the
world up until well.
He's still the biggest artistrap-wise and you know, drake got
taken down in the battle butrappers are still using LL's
blueprint of catering to theladies.
Oh, drake.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Oh, no, no, no, drake is still king and we're going
to talk about that briefly whenwe talk about some of this tour
money, some of this show money,but he's using a lot of
Blueprint that L used A lot ofthem did because LL had so many
branches to his tree.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
He had the Lady Branch, he had the Hardcore
Branch, he had the Battle Branch.
If you were to prune LL fromthe hip-hop timeline, a lot of
things are going to wither A lotof things and there's only
certain rappers out there thatyou prune.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Love the Marvel reference by the way, say that
again.
I said love the Marvelreference, by the way.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
You know I'm going with it Because you prune him,
you prune Rakim, you prune Kane.
Curtis Blow Run DMC People,those them in that elk right
there.
You take them away from hip hop.
We have nothing because theymeant so much.
And he's one of them.
He's one of the elders.
He's one of the elders becausehe was one of the youngest ones

(58:17):
in that elder group and we keepforgetting that.
You had Curtis Blow, who was thefirst superstar of hip hop.
Right.
First rapper and superstar LLwas the reboot of that.
Ll rebooted what Curtis Blowreally was because he came
through.
He was running DMC around thatsame time.
First artist Dev Jamzahn.
Right, first artist Dev Jamzahn.

(58:38):
He kicked off one of the mostlegendary hip-hop labels ever.
Ever.
You can you take that out theequation.
A lot of things with her.
And to ag's point, let's notjust look at the, the female bag
.
Let's look at what he's done asa battle rapper.
Let's look at what he's done asa philanthropist.

(58:59):
Let's look at what he broughtto hip-hop when it came TV shows
.
He was the first to have donethat stuff.
Right, look at his actingability in Home.
It ain't too deep as God, I'mjust kidding, but at the end of
the day he's one of them.
He's one of them, he's one ofthe elders.
So yeah, coop to your point.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
maybe he's not ever existed, but he's one of those
that existed, in my opinion.
I mean, I'm just giving somepushback because it seems like
everybody's just saying oh well,it's Ellen, it's a no brainer,
because he's the first to dothis, first to do this, first to
do that.
It's like OK, the first personto do like everything in most
genres and in most sports and inmost places in life usually
isn't the person that like isconsidered to be most important

(59:43):
at it, though.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Well, I'm going gonna take a coupe line, let me.
Let me submit this to you.
I'm asking questions.
When, when was when?
When was the first time weheard foxy?
I shot your remix when was thefirst time we heard dmx?

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
I had heard dmx before, but I hear you four,
three, two, one right.
When's the first time we see avisual big pun oh, I shot your
remix video, you know, I mean,the list goes on and on, like
you know for some.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
For some people, four , three, two, one was their
first time hearing cannabis, youknow, so, um, but still that
that's.
That's kind of like.
You know what I'm getting at ll.
You know, like, like sean said,if you take him out of the
timeline a lot of stuff changes.
So I'm rolling.
It's not cut and dry coop, I doagree with that, but I'm

(01:00:35):
rolling with what ll sayingbecause you know I'm not getting
lost on semantics, I cancompartmentalize and I think
what he's saying is true likehow about this?

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
I think that's something that it's definitely
poll worthy.
How about that?
It's like we should put tupac jJay-Z Nas.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
But can the voters distinguish between best and
most important?
Because, like I said, that'stwo totally different things.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Well, that's why I asked you to start this off.
What's most important to you?
Like, really, really mean,because it's like I don't know,
because just because you're thefirst person to do something
doesn't necessarily mean you'rethe most important.
Like, if that was the case,george Mikan would be the
greatest center of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Right now, you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
You feel me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Right, but George Mikan ain't no LF.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
George Michael won like four straight titles one
scoring title, rebounding titles, Like you straight titles one
scoring title, rebounding titles.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Now, if you took it back toGrandmaster Kaz and them guys,
what about this?

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Even with Bill Russell, guys.
I mean Bill Russell.
When Magic Johnson and LarryBird were rookies, they did a
poll and Bill Russell was namedthe greatest basketball player
of all time.
Bill Russell isn't hardly inanybody's top five anymore.
That was 1978, 79, when LarryBird and Magic Johnson got there
.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
So much came after them.
But, to Sean's point, ll wasthe young guy in that first
older generation, and then Kaneand Rakim came after LL and LL
outlasted all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
He's an elder man.
He was the elder back then.
He's only like he's only abouthe might turn 57,.
What next?

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
month.
No, no, no, no.
I love the conversation.
I'm just giving some pushbackfor the sake of the dialogue.
I can't be agreeing with y'all.
It makes me look bad.
I have a reputation.
People count on me to know whatI'm talking about.
If I agree with you, itobviously means I don't know
what I'm talking about I don'tget it.
I don't get it I don't get it,I don't get it, I don't get it,
I don't get it, I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
We're going to get to some of these super chats.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
We're going to get to some of these super chats.
The slides are in the pensconcern yes, Is that more

(01:02:58):
important or just as importantas the cultural package that LL
brings to the table?

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
What can't it be the chicken or the egg?

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
So Rakim deserves to be in this most important
conversation as well.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
But whose legacy is still being exemplified in 2024?
Ll's or Rakim's Are more peopleyou know putting intricacies in
how they write with the pen togive credence to Rakim, or are
people still using LL's template?

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
I mean all we have to say.
Ll made the better album thisyear.
They both dropped projects thisyear.
Ll made the far superior album.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
That ain't even close .
Close, that ain't remotelyclose.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Not even close.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Okay, one more Super Chat and then we're going to
slide to the next topic AndreMiller with the $2 Super Chat.
What up Dre LL Tree is, johnNelly and Drake Nasty work, what
say you, sean?

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Look at all the records that you people got.
That's probably about like 70million records, hey you can
call it nasty work if you wantto.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
It's nasty between about 100 million records plus.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Absolutely, and that's not how.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Nobody was singing when Ja Rule was in there, I
mean people forget Ja Rule wasgoing double, triple platinum,
like back to back to back.
Exactly he was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
people forget John Rule was going double, triple
platinum, like back to back, toback, exactly, exactly because
if everyone said that go 50 inthere and he had a run like that
for a few years.
Most people don't get that yes,he did, yes, he did and Nelly
sold more records than John.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Nelly was selling 6, 7, 8, 9 million records yeah,
you gotta still don't forget,drake just records than John LA
was selling 6, 7, 8, 9 millionrecords.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Yeah, you got to still Drake just Drake shit.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Just Drake shit, just different.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
But to your point, coop, this just popped into my
head, like you was asking aboutRakim.
If I'm being honest, of courseI got Rakim ranked higher, but
LL checks more boxes than Rakimdoes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Four more boxes.
This is what I'm saying.
He checks more boxes thanrockham does.
This is what I'm saying.
He checks more boxes, but whenyou look at how about this?

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
how you ask how the boxes are weighted.
What's you know more important?
Yeah, like I get it like, like,like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
when you're taking my daughter's about to take the
sat, gentlemen, when you takethe SAT and you're taking the
English portion, oh no, them twoessays at the end is like 40%.
Them two questions is 40%.
Them other 80 questions is 60%.
When you look at, even thoughLL is the first person to come

(01:05:31):
and embody that hip-hop culture,fashion sense, bravado and
steez, more people look and raplike Rakim than LL guys.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Even though L did it first and embodies the same
thing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
When people think of hip-hop in the 80s, they don't
think of LL and radio.
They think of Eric B and Rakimon the cover of Paid in Full
guys.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Cool because Rakim is the prototype.
He's specialized in that.
He's a specialist when it comesto lyricism.
Ll is Army Swiss Knights.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
I'm talking about the cultural.
Look, though, I'm talking aboutthe cultural look of what a
hip-hop.
Cultural look, though.
I'm talking about the culturallook of what a hip hop.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Well, that's not fair , coop, because you had.
We love to look at rappers for,like the album covers, we want
to emulate that.
Everybody wanted the Dapper,Dan Gucci, the Dookie Rope
Chains and stuff, and that's notfair.
Comparing it to radio, becauseradio is a boombox.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
on the cover, like LL ain't even on there.
You know what I'm saying?
No, this is what I'm saying.
How about this?
There are more guys from thatera that ended up dressing the
way that Rakim and Eric B weredressing in real life than guys
were dressing like LL in reallife, in real time, in terms of

(01:06:47):
embodiment of the culture atthat time.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
LL got something to say against that, because
anybody who wore FUBU duringthat whole era was the one to
trust, like LL.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
I did because I had one pants leg up, one pants leg
down.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Yes, Sean, we know you have no taste.
Let's slide to the next topic.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Wow you see what I'm wearing right now.
You see that crescent signright there.
What do you mean?
What do?

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
you mean?
What is that?
What is that?
What are you wearing?
Oh my God, Exactly.
He said you don't even know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
I don't even know, please, you don't even know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Hey, Sean said the logo's secret Shout out to Jay.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Yeah, the logo's secret.
Shout out to Jay.
Yeah, the logo secret.
That's that Tarjay special.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
That's that Tarjay special.
You just got off the plane andyou ain't got nothing to wear to
hip-hop All your clothes stilldirty.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Look at the insides.
Oh, my goodness, it's thewinter edition, yikes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Winter edition of what.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Who talking about your fit?
He got a fake pocket that jointdon't even open up.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
He didn't put his hand in it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Sir, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
This is Armani.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Exchange.
This says AX, right here.
This is Armani Exchange AX.
Do it open up?
No, it don't open up.
Fool, it's a patch.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
I'm sorry about that it ain't got the crescent on it.
It ain't got that crescent onit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
I know y'all don't wear Armani exchange.
I do.
I happen to like it.
The shirt's very comfortable.
I like it, Nigga we're going tothe next topic.
Don't ever call my shit cuteagain on YouTube.
J Cole, your daughter's 42,Sean, You're 96 years old in a
karate class Shit.

(01:08:40):
She should like Armani and Jake.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Y'all killing me, man .

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
We the same age with your old Park Hill ass.
Now let's go to the nextsubject matter for you.
So, hey guys, what do we thinkabout J Cole's rollout?

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
I love it, man.
I got to give a shout out to myman, ag, though Like real talk,
ag has been like my commentaryguy for me when it came to this.
I didn't purchase this thingthat Cole has, because AG just
been like run down like the footnotes too, and I appreciate it
because he's breaking it downfor me to understand what's

(01:09:15):
going on.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
So you're enabling his behavior and not working on
it Absolutely, because I can'tdo anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
I tried, I gave up.
I can't help him, no more.
He's going to do what he'sgoing to do, but he does a great
job.
Breaking down the actualpodcast that Cole has and just
really listening and kind ofgetting AJ's feedback on it
Helped me understand a lot ofdifferent fragments of what Cole
was talking about during thosetimes that he was making those

(01:09:44):
albums, especially when he wastalking about the whole dynamic
with Jay, how Jay wanted him toget the joint from Drake you
know, from the boy, as he calledhim and just how Cole played
that whole thing out.
But for me I love this rollout.
I love it.
So exciting yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
For those who's not in the know, it was real
disrespectful.
This is so disrespectful.
But, jay, it was a party.
It was around the time cole wasworking on his first album,
lebron, and uh, jay-z had a twokings dinner and um, you know
cole and his man, eve, and thendrake, and uh, you know his

(01:10:24):
manager future, not future, youknow the rapper, but his manager
future.
And then chubbs was all aroundtalking and uh, jay-z coming to
party and looking, uh, you knowcole and drake and signals to
drake like yo, come on, just geta boy one, just give him one of
those hits, like you know.
And um, just walked off afterthat.

(01:10:44):
And cole took it as disrespect.
Like you know, drake, gottawrite me a hit now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Look at his disrespect.
Nothing to take his disrespect.
It's disrespectful.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
Oh yeah, he approached Jay on it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Those open-hand slaps that I'm talking about, where
it's like.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
He got a little tight with Jay and then you know what
I'm saying approached him on it.
But no, for real, this seriesis real fascinating and it's a
good career retrospectiverollout and you get you know,
we'll talk about it later Like,since I was a part of the people
who subscribe to the pod, youget like emails and perks, like

(01:11:25):
the garden show that we're goingto talk about.
You got early ticket advancesales.
I didn't get one, but I wouldhave been able to cop the
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Same thing with limited editionvinyl, because tonight he's
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subscribe to this podcast.

(01:11:47):
But what I want to talk to youguys about, the most fascinating
thing I heard on the lastepisode is you know it really
taps into who J Cole is as aperson and it makes you.
It makes more sense, like themoves he made and the apology
and whatnot.
You know dude's just a likableguy and wants to remain well
liked.
But the thing I foundfascinating is remember, on the

(01:12:13):
Heavens EP freestyle when hesaid the fans threw the bronze
at him you know what I mean andput Kendrick and Drake above him
in the quote-unquote big three.
He actually said himself thatKendrick surpassed him when Good
Kid Mad City dropped, surpassedhim when good kid mad city
dropped.
And I thought that wasfascinating because he said that

(01:12:34):
when so far gone dropped he wasworking on friday night lights
and that made him restructurehis whole approach to that
mixtape.
Instead of doing all freestyleslike damn drake is doing a
mixtape that's on the level ofan album.
So I gotta step my game up andmake my mixtape on the level of
an album.
And then Drake gets into makingcertifiable hits and he said I

(01:12:55):
was chasing Drake mentally andhe was collabing with Kendrick.
He knew what Kendrick could doon the mic because between like
a few episodes they played likefour or five collabs that never
came out exclusive between himand Kendrick.
You know that they were workingon a project together.
So he knew Kendrick was likeyou know, going to make his

(01:13:19):
place in the game.
But he said I wasn't looking inthe rear view and didn't see
him, you know, coming out likethat.
So Kendrick came with Good KidMad City and J Cole said he
envied it because Good Kid MadCity had everything he wanted as
an artist.
He wanted their criticalacclaim, the classic status hits
that was working on the radioand it sold more units than J

(01:13:41):
Cole's debut.
So J Cole said I'm too busychasing what Drake was doing.
And then this guy came andsurpassed me.
This guy came and surpassed me,so I just thought it was wild
that he admitted that he feltthat kendrick surpassed him at
good, kid mad city.
And he's been, you know,basically holding that third

(01:14:02):
spot down since what?
2013, if we look at it likethat for over a decade I hate
that entire perspective.
Yeah, I mean it's kind of crazyto say that out loud, but it
just really fascinated me andblew my mind that he said it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Kind of crazy.
Yeah, no, that's full-on crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
So that means you've been viewing yourself as not the
fans that put you in that spot.
You viewed yourself in thethird place for an entirety of a
decade.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
He might need a rapper psychologist, the way
LeBron needed a sportspsychologist after the Dallas
choke.
He might need a rapperpsychologist.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Yeah, but you know it does sound crazy, but for his
humbleness.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Hold on AG Furthermore.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
It's a psychologist.
I don't humbleness.
Hold on AG.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Furthermore it's a psychology.
I don't want to hear about anyof this shit.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
We know, coop, you want the album.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
December what it's December what.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
It's not coming out this year.
It's not happening.
This is going to be a longretirement rollout.
He's still got more to go inthis rollout.
He's giving you a full careerretrospective before he tires
and says sayonara, I mean itjust is what it is.
We'll say what.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
He's retiring.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
I mean, yeah, where have've been under a rock.
It's called the fall off.
This is a retirement album andyou from north carolina it's
crazy like, yes, he's retiringat the fall off.
This is going to be his lastalbum.
That's why this is a fullcareer retrospective that he's

(01:15:52):
given us, because he isn't doneafter that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Nobody's trying to hear that shit, alright, ain't
nobody buying that Jay did thisshit to us before.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
Yeah, but Cole's not the type to cap on that level
like Jay did.
Jay stayed capping.
Yeah, cole don't cap.
He don't cap about retiring.
He'll be like joe button.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
He'll like oh, you'll be gone for real capping his
ass.
That's what this whole year hasbeen nah, this pod is dope.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
You hate like it gets .
I'll tell you what this pod isgiving you more insight in into
cold than any of his albums willgive you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
And that's a fact.
I'm so happy that you'reenjoying it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
It's fire Okay, coop is hurt, I get it.
That's that pain talkingbecause Coop was really hurting
for Cole this year and Kenyacame out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
He was fake hurt.
The nigga didn't even know thatCole was retiring.
Stop it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
You might be on to something he's fake hurt.
He didn't even know that Colewas retiring.
Stop it.
You might be on to something hewas fake hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Look here I'm going to be honest with you.
When the whole apology thinghappened, or whatever we want to
call it, it was checkout time.
It was checkout time.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
That's part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
You see, no, no see, no, no, no see.
I believe in protecting mypeace, and what you not about to
do is say peace you're right, Ithought about that Coop.
I didn't think about yourequation oh, so he get to say
peace, but I'm supposed to bekeeping up with the fuck going
on with him you're right, coop,I didn't think about that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
I'm gonna go get mine .

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
And now I would like to talk about these gold pieces
around my neck right here.
Look at the segue.
Yeah, we saying peace totalking about J Cole.
Peace, nigga the fuck is yourproblem, we ain't done with Cole
yet.
We still got one more thing.
But go ahead, put some balloonsin the drop again.

(01:17:55):
We're gonna have a problem howdoes?
That even happen.
Like who does that cause?
It's a celebration when I comethrough with two chains on.
You know what have?

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
a very merry Christmas, ho ho ho shit
gentlemen, we have our firstsponsorship.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
I was able to uh talk to a young man who owns a gold
company.
It's called trio gold shopcom.
What I have on right here is athree millimeter 24 inch gold fr
chain.
It's all 18 karat gold.
By the way, this is an 8mm, 26inch Cuban.

(01:18:38):
We're going to help Trio GoldShop sell some of these chains
for the holidays.
They're actually really nice.
What do you think, fellas Y'all?

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
want some of these.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
Sure, Y'all need to check out the website.
Trio said he's down to hook upSean and AG with some merch too.
I told AG now everything's a gowith you.
I don't know about Sean yet.
I said whatever AG want, I saidwe got to check up with Sean
first.
Sometimes we get a little outof hand, out of pocket.

(01:19:11):
I was like we can't just begiving this nigga Cuban links
for free.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
He likes Cuban links, but he gets no Cuban links.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
So Sean, your shit might cost a little bit.
Ag, yours is free.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
No doubt, no doubt.
We'll have to link that in thechat, you know, so the people
can pull up, know, get theirloved ones.
You know, saying that a chainyeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
And also, too, I do want our followers to know that
this is actually black ownedbusiness.
This, uh, this gentleman, uhhas actually funded his own
business.
Uh bought his own jewelry 18karat gold.
Uh also sells silver as well.
Um, you know his pitch goesthat you know you can upgrade
your style with the premium goldchain.

(01:19:52):
Use 18 karat gold.
It is real gold.
It doesn't tarnish, it doesn'tfade.
You can shower in it.
It's sweat proof, weatherproof,waterproof.
It's black on and you know wealways want to support black
business here.
I'm not going to lie.
I'm not taking these chains off.
Since I got them two days ago,I have, you know, I've done

(01:20:14):
everything in them.
I've balled so hard on thesehoes with these chains on.
I went to work with thesechains on.
I went to the mall and balledagain with these chains on.
I went to the auto shop withthese chains on.
I got in the shower with thesechains on.
I prepared for the auto shopwith these chains on.
I got in the shower with thesechains on.
I prepared for the podcast withthese chains on.

(01:20:34):
I went outside like TonySoprano in my robe to take out
the trash.
That is great With these chainson.
Yeah, I did with these chainson.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
No, I get it, I get it.
I remember I got my first chain.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
I was like this is not my first chain.
You dummy Yo cue up Big Seanand Nas, not my first chain.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Not my first chain Got my first chain when I was
like seven fool, I'm from thewest side of Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
I'm just saying I remember when I got my first
chain, I was excited too.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
I've been wearing gold chains and gold rings since
I was a kid.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
Kool Magalene got the Rockefeller you know chain
today Rockefeller chain.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
You know chain and thing.
I can feel the chain.
Yeah, are you all going to helpme sell this product tonight?
What is wrong with you?

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
We're on the screen, we're helping you sell it, just
by being here.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Are you sure I hate you, Nick?

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
Nah, man, for real.
Like we got to link that in theDiscord too.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
We got to link that in the Discord too, about being
unsure about if Sean was gettinganything.
No, no, no, I'm talking to Trio.
Next week is going to be mewith six chains on your chain is
going to be on me like I'm, rob, he's going to take our chains,
sean.
It's going to be a stick-upwithout having to stick it up.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Kool will come over here looking like Slick Rick or
MrT with our chains on man.
He's got everybody's chains onman.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
He got everybody's chains on man.
This the charm to say AG righthere.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
He's going to have to eye patch and call his peasants
.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
I mean, I already call you peasants.
I don't need eye patch to dothat, but I'm definitely going
to wear all your chains.
So why don't you?
Two ungrateful brothers?
I want you, two ungratefulbrothers, I want you two
ungrateful black men to go ontriogoldshopcom and pick out
some pieces that you all wouldlike to wear.
Trio said he's willing toprovide us with any sort of need

(01:22:20):
.
If you want hoodie hat,whatever you want to do to help
promote the brand, sell thechain.
We're selling gold.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Facts.
Show them the pendant that yougot in your pocket.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Okay, I'm going to show you the finger that I got
on my hand.
See the finger I got on my hand.
See the finger I got on my hand.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
See what I can do with the finger.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
I can show both the chains with this finger and show
off the chain and the finger atthe same time.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
Yo, this is the best promotion.
Anybody can get Word up, manShout out.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
We appreciate the look.
The website is triogoldshopcom.
T-r-i-o.
Goldshopcom.
If you don't know how to spellgold and spell shop, we want you
to buy seven chains.
When you finally figure out howYou're not that bright anyway
Go buy seven chains.
When you finally figure out howbecause you're not that bright
anyway Go buy seven chains.
Okay, I'll be on here with sixchains next week because AG and

(01:23:17):
Sean ain't getting shit forChristmas but a bag of coal and
a bah humbug from Coop.
This is Hip Hop Talk'ssponsored event.
We'd like to move to the nexttopic.
Shout out to Trio, hiswonderful family and Trio Gold
Shop.
Thank you all for supportingBlack-owned businesses.
I think I'm going to have toput a couple pieces on these
chains.
Really bald, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Yo shout out to Trio Gold Shop.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
No, no, no.
Shout out to Trio Gold Shop forgiving us our first real right
plug.
And I just want to say Trio'salso one of those brothers that
it's plug.
And he was, uh, and I just wantto say you know, trio is also
one of those brothers that it'slike, you know, um, when you all
get a chance to meet him,you're one of those guys you're
going to want to do businesswith him.
He was so quick and and uh, andwilling.

(01:24:05):
He's like.
You know, it's pretty much.
You know, uh, he helped usshine, we help him shine.
And uh, really, that's howblack wall street was built,
guys.
It was built on just the rightpeople getting together and
helping each other strive atwhat their entrepreneurial
endeavors was so glad to takepart in it.
We got to move and go to thenext thing, which is the main

(01:24:25):
thing.
The big three are all going ontour at a separate time, guys,
but kind of like the same time.
It kind of feels intentional.
So we have Drake, drake's goingon tour.
Where is it?

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
New Zealand and Australia.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
And he's had to add extra dates because the pre-sale
demand has been so high.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
Yes, Isn't it that Anita Maxwin?
He very much needs a MaxwinLike very much so.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
He's a huge one.
I'm going to say less aboutthat.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
I'm just going to say that, numbers-wise, he's still
doing everything that he needsto do?

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
Oh, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Which is win he's still doing everything that he
does, which is win.
J Cole is preparing for ForestHill's drive 10-year anniversary
at the Garden I don't carewhere the fuck is your album and
then we're going to go toKendrick and SZA.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
No, I don't do that.
Don't skip over, Cole.
That's it.
The shit in the Garden is goingto be dope.
And listen, 2014 tickets isgoing to be sold for a dollar
he's still keeping up with thedollar and a dream theme but
they're going to drop a secretlocation before the concert and

(01:25:46):
2014 tickets are going to getsold for $1.
So that's dope.
Shout out to Cole for that, butit's going to be mayhem
wherever that event is located,where you got to get the tickets
for $1.
So when he drops the location,addie, it's going to be crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
I'm buying 100 tickets.
I'll be able to sell Trio'schains.
They're quicker than thetickets to sell.
That is crazy.
Where's my album when?
That is crazy.
Where's my album?
Where's the fucking album?

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
Ridiculous.
He might have told you therelease date of the album, but
you wouldn't know because youwon't tune in to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
I'm out.
I told you I was out.
You're not about to beapologizing.
No, we're not about to be doingthat.
You want too much from.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Cole, at this point man.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
Kendrick and SZA has actually been the news of the
week.
Guys, what do you think aboutKendrick and SZA touring being
the news of the week?
What do you think aboutKendrick getting in full stadium
flow with SZA?
I mean, these are some bigvenues, big arenas.
I think this is arguably,venue-wise, kendrick's biggest
tour to date.
He's coming to Atlanta.

(01:26:51):
Sean, I do plan on going thereto hate, hate, hate.
I plan on going there to hate.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Mine taking to a stadium tour to hate is nasty.
You said Sean was hating on Jay.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
It's crazy.
No, no, no.
See, sean, the thing thatreally makes Sean the hater of
all haters and why Sean's goingto win hater of the year over
Mad Max, is because Sean isn'taware of his hater tendencies.
See, I know when I'm about tohate.
Hey, john, I know when I'mabout to hate.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
No, because you be doing it to me all the time and
I got to tell you on the sidelike yo, bro chill, because you
told me under the bus at leastonce a week see sean wake up and
subconsciously hate on niggas.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
That's a different type of hate I'm working over
here.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
His conscience is like oh, he's coming to atlanta
yo if I, if I had a dollar forevery time sean told me, yo, I'm
sorry, because I'd be likecalling him out like yo, what
are you doing?
But not this stadium tour.
It makes sense, you know, andit does.
Let's.
Let's just address the elephantin the room.
It does have to be both of them, because sisa is just as big as

(01:27:59):
the artist as kendrick, is it.
It does have to be both of themto sell out stadiums.
Um on, on this tour.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
So don't you think she's the biggest artist at this
stage?

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
yeah, yeah, I could agree with that, but I'm just
saying both of their names areneeded in order to be able to
sell out these stages this works, it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
But I mean SZA did just get done, doing like 7
million.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
Yeah, it's going to be dope, kendrick, you know what
I'm saying got a dope newrecord.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Has Kendrick ever done 7 million?

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
No, not really.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
Like an 18-month stretch.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
No, not that I know of, I don't think she's the
bigger artist right now.
Yeah, I mean her last album.
First week sales are comparableto what Kendrick did you know
this week for G&X.
G&x did what like 320,something in that ballpark.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
Well, let's talk about that right quick.
I have some numbers right quick.
I want you, fellas, to tell mewhat you think about these
numbers while we talking aboutthese rappers on tour.
So Drake's For All the Dogs did402k when it came out this
first week.
Okay, I thought it was morethan that.
402 was the official number,okay, now.

(01:29:12):
Now the Kendrick did 324, right, yep.
The Schoolboy Q did 34, theAbsol did 5, the Mustard did 18,
the Dolce did 11.
Now, all those albums combineddid 400, and this is supposed to

(01:29:38):
be a shining moment forKendrick and supposed to be a
low point for Drake.
And, quite frankly, as far asalbums are concerned, if we were
talking about Drake's catalog,for all the dogs would be on the
lower end of his catalog.
Would that be a fair assessment?

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
yeah, drake's still the bigger artist.
There's no arguing that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
So why does everybody keep looking at me crazy when
I'm saying, like, the reasonthat Kendrick's doing a lot of
these numbers that he's doingright now specifically is in
correlation to who he's beentalking about?

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
Yes, yes and no, yes and no Coop.
I had this argument thismorning.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
I was talking to one of my.
Am I saying it like a hater?

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
Yeah, but I was having a conversation with one
of my homies this morning.
Shout out to Mike you know whatI'm saying, my homie Mike in
Greensboro.
But we was having this argumentthis morning and he subscribes
to the same thing of you know,Kendrick.
It does seem he has the mostlight on him now than he's ever

(01:30:34):
had in his career.
So, with that being said, ifnumbers are being you know
altered and Kendrick's cheatingor whatever, and these bots are,
you know, helping his albumsales or what have you I mean I
know the lawsuit is just over,Not Like Us, but he has all
these people in his corner andhe only did 320, some the first

(01:30:55):
week Then that argument doesn'thold up.
If you go back and look at thedamn numbers the damn numbers
did twice as many the first week.
It did over 600 K the firstweek.
So I don't think it's fair tosay that, just because he beefed
with Drake this year andeverything's at an all-time high
for him, that he's never beenhotter than this, because we can

(01:31:16):
point to a moment in time whenhe actually was hotter and it
didn't have nothing to do withDrake.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
I'm going to ask you a legitimate question that I
sincerely don't have the answerto.
Very, very seriously, what didMr Morales do the first week?

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
uh, somebody in the chat checked that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
I would say probably about 200 and some off top of
the head so remember it was adouble album too, so those units
so I don't think it's fair tolook at what damn was.
I think mr morale is more of anaccurate depiction for what his
numbers look like, withouttalking about drake in this

(01:31:51):
current rap climate.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Well, current rap climate, yeah, but if we're
talking about any snapshot inhistory over the course of his
career, dan was his peak andthat's why you were so hard on
him about that five-year breakto get to Mr Morale, because he
stepped away and left at hispeak.
So I don't think you can fairlysay like he's never been hotter
than right now when he'stalking about Drake, because at

(01:32:14):
his peak he technically was.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
What was attached to Damn?
Didn't Damn have something else?

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
Damn had Rihanna on the record, so that's a lot in
and of itself.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
That's not what Sean's talking about.
Sean's talking about Okay.
So there are industry rumorsthat Kendrick really didn't do
numbers without bundles and damnhas bundles, so a lot of people
feel like that's a lot of damndamn bundles 600K.
I mean, I'm not saying that, Imean.
But what if the bundles wereresponsible for 200,?

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
AG 400 is still nothing to sneeze at man.
You could take away those 200if you want to.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
I'm not taking anything away.
Lord knows if I take anythingaway.
The KKK is going to go.
Kkk, you know what I'm saying.
Going to be crosses burning inmy yard.
Yeah, kung Fu Kenny rules you.
Crosses burning in my yard.
You know what I'm saying, kung.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
Fu Kenny rules.
We can't have that bundle talkwhen it's okay for some people
to do it and it be on theirnumbers, but they don't want to
highlight it on somebody else's.
We got to be consistent.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
We called it out as well.
We called that on Travis Scottbefore.
Remember we were saying how?
I remember saying somethingabout when Nicky did it, but I
don't remember when Travis I wasmentioning it on Travis because
remember that second week itwas a big decrease.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
I would have bought Travis's album 20 times over if
it would have guaranteed me ayou know saying that Jumpman
Jacks joint.
I'm still mad about missingthem on sneakers out.
By the way, I'm a cop though.
Well, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
It helps.
The Captain Jacks stuff helps,man.
All that stuff helps because itgives an extra boost to the
pure sales itself.
So it gives that extra boostright now.
If you look at the numbersright now, it's hard to quantify
the numbers, right, right,everything is so jacked up,
everything is so like you can'teven tell what is what right now
.
Gns came out.

(01:34:07):
It was a shock drop.
If you will, my sneaker has.
It was a shock drop, if youwill, for my sneaker heads it
was a shock drop.
Those copies are based on justa reaction.

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
320 is nothing to sneeze at when it comes to a
reaction.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
No promo, zero promo.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
Well, he had promo, because you can't buy better
than promo, than going againstDrake and the Beast.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
What are you all expecting next week's numbers to
be like?
Are you expecting him to dolike 150 next week?

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
That's going to tell the real story right there.
That's correct.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
Okay, so let's say just hypothetically,
competitively speaking, what ifnext week he only does 76,000
copies, which would put him at?

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
400?
That means all the casuals haveleft the building.
I would expect at minimum 50excuse me, 50 drop in sales
minimum.
But if you say he only do 70,then that means all the casuals
have left the building, only thereal is tapping in at that
point.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
Right, because I mean , I feel like I'm not even sure,
I feel like Mr Morales did like350?
.

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
I don't know Somebody in the chat got a fact.
Check that one Sure Jar saidshout out to Jar.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Jar said that he's on track to do 160 next week.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
Yeah, well, that would be put it right at 50%, so
that's why I expect it.
Yeah, the math is math.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
So yeah, but the math is so funny.
The math is so funny, man, Idon't know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
Well, here's the thing.
I hate it when Jay said thatquote men lie, women lie.
Women lie numbers, don'tNumbers.
If you ever taught statisticsor did business negotiations on
money, numbers can do whateveryou make them do.
They can dance and do all typesof shit, but you gotta know
numbers.
So they do lie.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
I did 294.
Michael Brown said 294 for MrMorale first week.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
And that was a double album.
Double albums got more songsand if you buy physicals they
still count twice.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
So let's say realistically his real
projections probably no beef, inmy opinion is probably more
around 200k.
That's how I feel.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
But then you got physical sales and streams.
It's like impossible to breakdown what the real numbers are
AG when I'm hating.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
don't interrupt when I'm hating.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
It's shit to get know .
People are un-stubbing as wespeak.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
Sean has been doing it for so many hours.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
It's the same thing.
They'll be like yo, we need toget more subs.
And then you run off like 200Kendrick fans.
I'm like nigga.
They'll be like yo, we need toget more subs.
And then you run off like 200Kendrick fans.
I'm like big.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
We love Kendrick.
I'm going to the concert.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
I told you I was going to the concert.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
You said two hate, hate, hate.
You said two hate, hate, hateThree of them.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
You do with your ticket.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
I'm not getting one.
I'm good You're not even going.
I've already seen Kendrick live.
I've already seen Kendrick live.
You can't talk about my haterbehavior.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
I've already seen Kendrick live, I'm good and with
my pain, honey, hate, hate,hate, hate, hate.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
You're right, you got to.
I guess you got to keep itacross the board.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
Sean better be happy that this isn't happening this
year, because me hating at thisevent could pick me in position
to win Hater of the Year withSean right now.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
You pulling up to the Atlanta show might be worse
than Drake pulling up to theToronto show.
It is true.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
That's fast.
Drake's definitely going to beat the Toronto show.
Don't you think that it's likehold on?
Is that petty and intentionalthat they're trying to pull up
to toronto, though, like arethey asking?

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
100.
You know I can't go tovancouver absolutely ottawa.
Don't like kendrick and sisabut does vancouver got a stadium
?
I don't know.
I'm asking they should becausethis is where the blue jays play
that they're going to toronto,they're the basketball team.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
They've had that.
They have to have some sort ofvenue that can accommodate.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
Basketball teams play in arenas.
They don't play in stadiums.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Yeah, they got the arena out there.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
Well, put the ladies in an arena for a night, that'd
be okay.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
Nah, you got to make the statement.
It's two totally differentthings.
It's like five times the peoplein a stadium than what's in an
arena.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
I than what's in an arena.
I mean judging on these numbers, without talking about Drake.
That's what he need to get usedto anyway.
Go ahead and put him in there.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
All right, he's already did that.
You did that.
He had the highest grossingtour until Drake and Cole went
on tour.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that Yo.
Let me ask y'all this, becauseJoe Budden talked about it a
little bit.
I think Ice shout out to thoseguys.
They talked about Drake beingable to pull off.
Can he pull off a stadium?
That was one of the questionsCan he pull off a stadium?
That's ridiculous.
The answer is yes, as a soloact.
As a solo act, Can he pull offa stadium by himself?

Speaker 1 (01:39:06):
Are you sure?

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
Yes, are you sure yes , now okay.
So you're saying not have noopening ad, not just Drake by
himself?

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
by himself.
So.

Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
I don't think that's fair to even ask you, because
Kendrick's not doing that.
He got a scissor by his side.
I think Drake could take Drakeat 21 is not as popular as Drake
.
I think Drake could take 21 ona stadium tour and be all right.
You think you'd say 21?
Yeah, 1000 percent.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
I would, I would rather.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
Drake is a pop star.
What are y'all talking about?
Just because he hasn't did itdoesn't mean he can't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
I'm just asking.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
I'm just asking, I don't know, I don't know Stadium
stuff you want to know what Ithink would be really dope at
this Drake tour If actually hewere to take Wayne and Nicky on
tour and bring the Hot boys asthe opening act Now.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
That trio could definitely do a stadium If they
did a young money reunion tourand a cash money reunion.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
Like, think about it, have the hot boys be the
opening act and the hot boys acttransition in the Wayne's act.
And then you do Nikki, and thenwith Drake.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
But I really think if that was the tour lineup this
is off topic, but I think hewould like humble himself and
give the headliner to Wayne justwho, if it's a hot boys opening
and then it's Young Money butDrake's reverence, for, like
Wayne and Nattery, you know whatI'm saying I think he would
give Wayne the spotlight.
I think in certain parts, waynethe spotlight on that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
I think in certain parts of the country he would do
that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
But.

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
I think it would be one of those things where Wayne
would be up and around all nightBefore anybody come in.

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
Sorry, coop, but before anybody come in to chat.
Well, he don't got reverencefor Wayne because he smashed his
girl.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
I'm just talking about in the hip-hop arena,
drake has reverence for playing.
Ain't nobody thinking aboutthat that I don't know why
people make such a big deal outof that.
I mean, like, like in allhonesty, like in life and
definitely in the city ofatlanta, and rap that happens
all the time, like literally allthe time.

Speaker 3 (01:41:06):
I don't know that, don't make it right, though I'm
not gonna shoot a nobel on that.
That shit was bad.
It is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
That shit was foul I mean, I mean, I mean, was it
though?
I mean, she's just another girlag but, you knew it was your
man's girl, so you know I meanI'm being funny, she's just
another girl.
I mean she don't want to putherself in the position, is what
I'm?

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
saying yeah, I mean they all smashing the same
chicks anyway, but that's whatI'm trying to say but you gotta,
you gotta live by certain codes, man.
So and yeah, that's that's.
That's a cold thing, more thanwhether she just another girl or
not, that's a cold thing.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
I think the record business is a shady business
with shady people, so I'm neversurprised yeah, we got a super
chat imj first super chat fromimj.
What up?
Imj talking about numbers.
This is hip-hop.
We what up I am Jay talkingabout numbers.
This is hip hop.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
We don't care, agreed .
I hate talking about numbers.
The numbers are crazy.
It's hard to you in thisclimate of hip hop.
Numbers are ridiculous.
You can't even talk about itand be truthful about it because
so much is going on with thenumbers.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
The truth is always going to be in the middle,
because it's always like 50 saidif you want to just make music
for you, then go in yourbasement and make some tapes and
just play them, like for you,like your homies and stuff.
It's called the music businessfor a reason.
You are in the business ofselling a product.

(01:42:26):
It is an entrepreneurialendeavor, so we can't act like
the numbers don't matter.
Is it skewed, is it problematic?
Is it a never-ending discussionat this rate, how these streams
and bundles and packaging and360, 180, post-fifth,
quarter-to-fifth I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
It's all relevant conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
They're doing more funny stuff with numbers than
drug dealers Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:42:59):
Even though you don't care to the Super Chat, thank
you for the numbers that matter,which is your Super Chat money.
We appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
I think that's an excellent way for us to segue to
the next thing, which is I mean, I know we've kind of like
touched on this briefly, but isthis Wheezy and Doc thing
happening?
Have we heard anything?
Are we hearing anything?
What are we?
I?

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
think it's dead.
We got some info.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
Good, good.

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
I want to see this shit I think it's dead, because
as quick as it came up, it wentdown Pause.
That's something crazy, man.
That was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
You made it so far.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
You made it so far.
That's what Koot told us lastweek, remember?
He said Shorty was like yo, youbetter get some of that honey
in your system.
Koot was like I can't get it,but um, but nah, your sister was
like I can't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
But no.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
I think it's not that cool.
What bad cool.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
No, no, no, I'm proud of you.
You actually made it Hold onOne hour and 44 minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
Yeah, yeah, who put on the Edis to check the time?
I'm working on myself, man, no.
So here's what I heard, becauseI'll be back in two weeks.
Shout out to my team down there, it's done.
Nothing's going to happenunless they try to put the
battery in the back when it wasactually at its height for a

(01:44:27):
couple of hours, because it wasonly a couple of hours when it
was at its height and they triedto put the battery in the back
and they was like, nah, there'sno need to engage, there's gonna
be careful.
I'll say this there might besome subs that may fly here and
there, but it won't be anythingmore than that, unless somebody

(01:44:48):
steps out there, like directlyon the land model.
But there will be some subs totee some things up, but nothing
is going to be imminent, no timesoon.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Subs are just part of the game.
I expect to hear subs fromevery rapper on your rap album
yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:45:03):
Kendrick loves Wayne.
He dedicated a whole album tobeing inspired I mean not album
but mixtape being inspired byWayne.
But he's not above crashing outIf Wayne put something out
there.
And you know, talking to one ofmy homies, he was saying he
think that when Wayne's checkerpassed it would be too much of
an easy target for Kendrick,even more so than Drake.

(01:45:26):
Because you know, you got the,you know the drug abuse and then
the whole cause.
Kendrick is very much.
You know you got the, you knowthe drug abuse and then the
whole, because Kendrick is verymuch.
You know black empowerment problack this, you know pro black
that, and Wayne is on recordtalking about he don't care
about Black Lives Matter and allthis stuff or whatever.
So you know, the sentiment isthat Kendrick would just have a

(01:45:49):
field day with a lot of stuffyou could pick apart.
You know, with Wayne in thebattle and I don't disagree,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
You know, some ammunition can also work to a
fault.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
But you know I think Sean told me this, wayne you
know, when we talk behind thescenes, wayne is more lauded by
the public than Drake is.
Drake has a lot of the casualfans but Wayne is, like, really
loved by a big contingent of rapfans.

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
I have Wayne higher than Drake and Kendrick.

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
Yeah, as far as just All time, a lot of people Do.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
Yeah, don't get it twisted.
People had, they had Wayne astheir group at one point.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
Yeah, his fanfare is up up there, but a lot of those
people abandoned him at somepoint and I think that has a lot
to do with you know where hehas so many kids on his tree.
They had another version of youknow wayne to latch on to like
they went to future to get whatthey needed or whatever, but um,
like how about this at thispoint?

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
having rappers like Ice Cube, scarface and Ghostface
ahead of Wayne is strictly onlyabout the rap albums that they
made and nothing else.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
That is a very valid point.

Speaker 1 (01:47:01):
That would make him top 10 easy.

Speaker 3 (01:47:02):
if that's the case, I got him at number 11 currently.

Speaker 1 (01:47:07):
I think I have him somewhere in that spectrum too
AG.
I think I have him literally 11, or spectrum too AG.
I think I have him likeliterally 11 or 12.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
But Kendrick is at 10 for me.

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
Oh, no See, I have Kendrick like behind him at like
13, 14.

Speaker 3 (01:47:19):
But still the same.

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
Same yeah same yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:25):
That would make it interesting because if they do
go out there and step out therewhich I don't see, it's not
going to happen.
It changes that dynamic becauseyou still have a Wayne fan base
and you also have a Nicki fanbase, that ride for Wayne, that
Barb team, they would back upWayne a thousand percent.
And again, as we know, socialmedia drives a lot of this.

(01:47:49):
It's not always the music aship hop heads we, it's not
always the music as hip-hop has.
We want to talk about the music.
Let's get to the bare bones.
We don't think, we don't feelthat Wayne can hold a candle to
Kenny.
You saw what he did with Gilly.
He couldn't even handle Gilly,right, I don't want to bring

(01:48:09):
that up.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
That's a bad memory.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
It was a bad memory.
We've got to face these thingsright.
Coop had to face the reality.
Today.
He you know what Three Stacksdidn't do good for Coop this
year.
J Cole didn't do good for Coopthis year.
Kendrick dropped an album ofthe year, possibly this year and
he dropped a disc record and heprobably named Coop somewhere
in there.
So Coop somewhere in there.
So Coop having a bad year.

(01:48:32):
Nobody's decoded it yet youknow what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
So Coop is having a bad year.
Yo, coop's name was on thatScrabble board in the Squabble
Up video somewhere it said Colin, up there somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
It said Coop.
It said Coop-op, but we know itmeans Coop.
You thought it was a video gameco-op due to knowledge man.
So coop is having a bad year,you know I mean he has the
armani exchange right and um, hehaving a bad year, so you got
to face your fears.
Sometimes that coop is facinghis fears.

(01:49:04):
So I say that to say this wayne, but not step on that land, ma,
because he don't need to stillstill love Wayne to a certain
degree, right?
Yes, no, we still like Wayne.
We still love Wayne.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
Still have Wayne and Hendrick.
Be no gold chains for you, Sean.
This is exactly what I wastalking to you about.
Be no gold chains for you, no,no, we're going to get you a
coffee bud.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
Can I ask this question though?
Though, if this would pop off,would it be the most the the
battle over the most petty thingever, because it's all
predicated on the super bowlhalftime show I think all
rappers battle over petty thingsI know, but I can't think of
anything more petty that jumpedoff a battle, then well, it

(01:49:51):
wouldn't solely be the SuperBowl thing, because you know
what I'm saying.
Drake is young money and allthat too.
So you know if Wayne wanted tostand beside Drake or what have
you.
But I can't think of any otherbattle that it was over.
Nothing personal, nothing saidto one another.
It's just that one was unhappyhe didn't get something and
another person got it and itwent from there was unhappy he

(01:50:13):
didn't get something, and thenthe other person got it and it
went from there.

Speaker 1 (01:50:16):
Yeah, you know, there's definitely some of the
drink um shrapnel aftermathinvolved in some of that as well
, I think so that's not that's.

Speaker 3 (01:50:23):
this is not on the docket, but I've seen a mall on
royal mall show said that kendragot a lot of pressure on the
super bowl halftime becausebeyonce's performing halftime at
uh, christmas Day game.
I forget who's playing, butChristmas Day game Beyonce's
performing halftime and it's notgoing to be as many eyes on
that game, but just from youknow a level of notoriety and

(01:50:44):
her level of performance.
Does that put pressure onKendrick come Super Bowl in
February?

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
I think those are two separate entities, two separate
times and the way the newsmedia cycle works.
You know it'll be some fodder,but it'll be brief, it'll be
small.
Fair yeah, all right, gentlemen, we're about to get out of here
soon, but we're going to dowhat we usually do and we're
going to go to our discorddialogue.

(01:51:09):
Discord dialogue winner thisweek is dj premiere.
I'm going to slide it to agrock and roll a dj premier
winner of the discord dialogues.

Speaker 3 (01:51:22):
If you new to this channel, uh, we have a Discord
and every week we nominatemultiple people to possibly be a
topic on our show and this weekit just so happened to be DJ
Premier is our winner that gotthe most votes in our Discord
group.
What I'll say about DJ Premier?
I'm heavily anticipating hisalbum that he's doing with Nas.

(01:51:44):
We might not get it this year,it may happen next year, but uh,
coop maintains that it's nothappening.
But, um, personally for me, Igot Premier ranked as number two
all time.
For my producers he has a verysignature sound as soon as it
comes on.
You know it's Primo.

(01:52:04):
Um, some people might hold thatagainst them and say that, um,
you know, his range is not asmuch as some other producers,
but it's the age-old questionwould you rather have range and
not have a signature sound orhave your own signature sound?
And primo sound is verysignature.
And what's fascinating aboutthat signature?

(01:52:25):
He shaped a whole new yorkhip-hop landscape.
He was one of the mainarchitects of that and he wasn't
even from new york, he's fromtexas.
So to not be from an area andcreate the whole sound aesthetic
behind that is a pretty amazingfeat, and coop has alluded to
this quite a few times on ourshow.

(01:52:46):
That are, you know, trinity ofnew york hip-hop artists.
You know biggie jay-z and nas.
However you want to rank them,they're at the top.
They all had to come through djpremiere on their debuts in
order to create classics andother classics thereafter.
So that should say something inand of itself, because his

(01:53:06):
production catalog outside ofhis group Gangstar is just as
classic as his Gangstarproduction catalog.
And that's all I got to sayabout Premier.
Shout out to you DJ Premier.

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
Sean you want to take it or you want me to rock.
No well, said AG.
Shout out to the Discord, theDiscord.
They selected Premier for thisweek's Discord Dialogues.
I'm not going to rehash what AGsaid.
My biggest takeaway isPremier's one of the best when
it comes to mixing andscratching on the record
Signature sound.

(01:53:40):
He has the New York aesthetic.
He helped create the New Yorkaesthetic in the golden era of
hip-hop in the 90s for New Yorkaesthetic.
He helped create the New Yorkaesthetic and the golden era of
hip-hop in the 90s for New York.
And, like you said, he's aTexas guy, Midwest guy.
He came up top and gave us afoundation to build on in the
golden era of hip-hop in NewYork.
So shout out to Preen, Go ahead.
Coop.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
After going through his catalog over the last couple
days, specifically today, Iusually have RZA at number two,
but it's just hard to put RZAover preem.
When you listen to the array ofstuff that he hits you with, it
is classic hip hop coming atyou.
He may, he more than any, hemay have given out more hiphop

(01:54:24):
classics than any other rapproducer.
That might be his biggest claimto fame.
Like everybody, from J RudaDamaja to OC to AD to Rock M Nas
, big J Gangstar Group, homeGroup, home Chub Rock on

(01:54:51):
Crooklyn Dodgers, krs-one, bigDaddy Kane, cool G Rap Like I
mean this guy's like shit.
Christina Aguilera, for God'ssake.
Limp Bizkit with Method man.
He's just, it's just beenphenomenal.
And my biggest takeaway from hiscareer is actually how
important Moment of Truth is,because I think making Moment of

(01:55:13):
Truth gives him that manifestowithin the framework of his own
group that is reflected,production wise, on how truly
supremely gifted he is.
He needs an album,production-wise, that rivals the

(01:55:35):
Chronic and Doggy style andLiquid Swords and the Purple
Tape, and Moment of Truth isthat and is viable in that
context to me, as far as theproduction sequencing and just
the beats themselves and mcswanting to rap over them.
I mean you.
I tell people all the time.
I mean, think about this.
It's like what is a biggie jay-zor nas greatest 20 songs

(01:55:57):
without dj premiere?
Well, you're missing aboutthree to six songs on each guy's
top 20 list.
Yep, easy, like Easy.
What is Jay's catalog without amillion and one questions and
the evils?
What is Nas' catalog withoutNew York State of Mind and Nas'
like?
What is Biggie's catalog likewithout kicking the door in the
10 Crack Commandments?
I don't believe it.

(01:56:18):
Think about it.
Think about how impactful he isjust for those guys' greatest
hits catalog.
Take him out of their greatesthits catalog.
Their greatest hits catalogisn't as strong.
It's a little different, so he'sa little different and we're
going to go slide into our pressplay as we get out of here,
which is actually all DJ Premiertracks.

(01:56:41):
I like to start with myfavorite record, for my favorite
intro of all time Off GangStars Out Moment of Truth, which
is, you Know, my Steez DJPremier.

Speaker 3 (01:56:54):
Oh, hold on real quick, Coop.
Do you want to tell them thatthe challenge we put against
ourselves when we created thispress play?

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
You want to know what .
Thank you, ag, for reminding meof that.
So with these press plays thatAG and Sean and I did, we
intentionally said no Jay-Z,biggie or Nas records because we
really wanted the production ofDJ Premiere to be the thing and
not it become a conversationabout how Nas, jay and Big
skated on Preem's shit.

(01:57:22):
We wanted to make it aboutPreem.
We felt the best way to make itabout preem was to kind of
leave, uh, that little holytrinity out of the fray this
time around.
So we made a concentratedeffort to do that.
Now, I believe at number twosean, you can put that up for me
right quick.
I believe I had group homeliving proof.
A lot of people feel like beatwise, this actual whole album

(01:57:46):
might be his best production job.
I do think the beats on ummoment of truth are better, but
this is his second bestcollection of beats.

Speaker 3 (01:57:56):
A lot of people say that that um group homes album
is the best.
I agree with you, though, Groupmoment yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58:02):
Yeah, moment of truth is the best, but I would have
loved to heard OC or JRU onthese beats over Group Home
around this time.
I think having OC or JRU maybeboth for one album would have
impacted New York culture andhip hop totally differently,
because these beats on here arestellar, and hip-hop totally

(01:58:24):
differently, because these beatson here are stellar.
They are rappers, rappers,selections of beats, and the
song Living Proof is livingproof of that Roll tape.
Next, next, I actually yeah,this was a last-minute addition
by me.
This was totally random.

(01:58:45):
This record came on while I wasin the car today getting my
daughter's car cleaned and whenit came on and the drop just
came through, I was just like Ican't.
This is Big L and Big DaddyKane.
My takeaway from this recordwas that it would have been so
interesting.
You know Big L and Jay had alot of the same strengths and

(01:59:07):
deficiencies, voice being one ofthem.
I noticed that I would haveloved to seen how L would have
performed and what type of songshe would have made had he lived
over time to put himself inthat upper echelon, because when
Kane comes in his voice, thegravitas that is Kane kind of

(01:59:28):
takes over the record and itmakes me wonder about what a Big
L would have done in prime timeagainst Kane.
But a wonderful record, one ofmy favorite primo beats, one of
my favorite Kane verses, uh, thebest record on Big L's
posthumous project, the the bigpicture, in my opinion.
Next, ah, this is a real gym.

(01:59:49):
Clap your hands, everybody, ifyou got what it takes.
I'm KRS and I'm on the mic andpremieres on the break.
That's the first time.
That's when I found out who DJpremier was.
I didn't know who dj premierewas until krs actually said it
on mc's act like they don't knowthis is my favorite krs, one

(02:00:12):
song of all time, is it?

Speaker 3 (02:00:14):
it's it's top, it's top 10 in my opinion, and I
think that's saying a lotbecause he has a top five
catalog I almost picked it formyself, but you know I'm glad
you got it for yours, coop, andthat's it's getting mentioned
because I left it off myself.
But you know I'm glad you gotit for yours, coop, and that's
it's getting mentioned Because Ileft it off mine.
But this, this deserves to beOn our list.

Speaker 1 (02:00:29):
I was trying to decide Between this one and
rappers are in danger, and thisbeats just better, it is.

Speaker 3 (02:00:35):
And not only it now.
Now, not only is it One of myfavorite um, it's my favorite
KRS song.
I think you Could argue thatthis is the top 15, is premier
beat.
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:00:46):
I think you could argue that this is the top 15 is
premier B.

Speaker 3 (02:00:49):
Yeah yeah, it's crazy Top 10 to 15.

Speaker 2 (02:00:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:00:53):
When I talk about KRS one's catalog.
No, this KRS one album is great.
It is.
Oh yeah, mcs act like theydon't know.
Rappers are in danger.
It's like if you go look atthose four Boogie Down
Productions albums and then youlook at Return of the Boom Bap,
and then you look at KRS-One,the album, this album, and then

(02:01:16):
I Got Next which isn't as good,oh no, there's only literally a
handful of guys walking aroundwith six or seven projects as
good as KRS-One Like literallyhandful, like we talk about that
, and you know I don't singKRS-One's praises but you
spitting all facts right now.

Speaker 3 (02:01:30):
I got to be objective .

Speaker 1 (02:01:31):
I mean the only guys that are walking around with
records this good like as far asfull albums, are Nas, jay,
scarface, ghostface, like thoseguys.
Are the guys walking aroundwith those projects?
Like as far as the quality ofthe level and the classic nature
of the songs that are withinthe framework of the album?
I see CJ the Kid right quickwith a super chat.

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Joe Button said Wayne went intothe booth.
We'll see if that holds.
Cj yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:01:58):
So yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:02:02):
J Rue the Damager, come Clean.
This is the record that theGriselda sound was inspired by.
In my opinion, this is thatslow draw, heavy metal, boom,
bap definition.
This is 1992-93 east coast hiphop at its finest.
J Rue's off kilter, off meterflow fits perfectly with the

(02:02:26):
rhythmic slow timing of thisbeat.
It is a masterpiece.
It is a hip-hop classic.
Uh, if some said it was a top50 hip-hop song, I would not
necessarily argue talking aboutthe water drip sound.

Speaker 3 (02:02:41):
The water blew your mind first time you heard it.
Man, man, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:02:47):
That's what I mean.
So this is before he had anidentifiable sound.
So you really don't know thatthis is Preem until later.
Good point, very good point.
Come Clean doesn't have a DJPremier sound.
That's what I mean.
That DJ Premier sound peopletalk about it really didn't
happen until 95.

(02:03:07):
Memory Lane doesn't sound likeDJ Premiere.
New York State of Mind doesn'tsound like DJ Premiere.
Represent even Unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (02:03:17):
Unbelievable is kind of where it starts.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (02:03:23):
I might say that sound started a little bit
earlier, but I see where you'regoing.

Speaker 2 (02:03:27):
That's smart.

Speaker 1 (02:03:27):
You hear flashes of it, but it doesn't become that
sound really until 95, in myopinion.
Yeah, so next record Cool G Rap, first nigga remix.
This is a really really reallyreally really, really, really
slept on DJj premiere producerecord.

(02:03:47):
It is yeah, this is actually.
This is actually, in my opinion, a top 20 cool g rap record.
Actually in my opinion.
I'm about to say maybe I don'tthink it's top 10, but I do
think it's top 20 yeah, yeahyeah, and I wanted to pick, pick
a DJ Premier record that I feltlike maybe some people or the

(02:04:08):
casual person that may catch ourpodcast isn't up on, and this
is the one that I would wantthem to catch.
This is a straight from DJPremier that I want you to catch
.
This is one of those goat talkrecords where it's like man, he
did stuff like that that peopleain't even really like, you know
, ain't even heard.
Like that, this great, likehe's been great for a long time.
And, last but not least, peopleforget Mash Out Posse, stick to

(02:04:34):
your guns, which, by the way,has Cool G rap on it.
People forget this is what I'msaying about Prem.
Oh no, he produced Fire andSquad.
He produced a few projects forMOPay, ru, the gangstar projects
, being part of the biggie jayand naz projects.
Preem, preem put in about asmuch work inside and outside his
group as anybody that you couldthink of, and the thing that I

(02:04:57):
really like about him and momentof truth is that proof positive
to Well, go listen to the beatsthat he handed to everybody in
96 and 97.
They're not as good as thebeats on Moment of Truth, even
for as great.
I want you to think about this.
Even for as great as you thinksome of that stuff is, think

(02:05:17):
about the evils.
Bring it on Friend or foe.
I gave you power.
Oh, those beats aren't goodenough to make moment of truth.

Speaker 3 (02:05:30):
I'm sorry, it was more so what the MCs was doing
on the beats.

Speaker 1 (02:05:36):
Those beats beat wise , aren't good enough to make
moment of truth.
The rappers made those records,but he held his special stuff
in the tuck for his right handman and I respect that, as he
should have.
Havoc was very good about doingthat for for for prodigy too,
because, as much as I love thesetup and live nigga rap, it's

(02:05:56):
like you heard the beats on hellon earth, right same year,
right same year, right.
So shout out the preem.
I'm gonna let y'all rock withy'all.
Preem list AG go.

Speaker 3 (02:06:10):
All right, Like you said in the beginning, we wanted
to limit ourselves by notpicking Jay-Z, Big and Nas
records.
I also wanted to limit myselfto a degree outside of the
Gangstar catalog, but I wantedto make sure I had one track
from the Gangstar catalog.
But I wanted to make sure I hadone track from the Gangstar
catalog and I think you did thesame Coop, right.

Speaker 1 (02:06:31):
That was intentional by me too.
I wanted to do one song fromthe Gangstar catalog.

Speaker 3 (02:06:35):
Yeah, we was thinking on the same wavelength.
So I picked Above the Clouds,which happens to be my all-time
favorite premiere beat, numberone for me and love this record
and the Inspector Deck feature.
It's one of my favorite deckverses ever and that's saying
something, because he got somany on.
Just, you know all the Wooprojects, but hearing him over

(02:06:58):
DJ Premiere production and whathe did on this track was just,
it's just, it's heavenly.
It's saying it in the trackabove the clouds, it's a
heavenly track, man, I love thisrecord.
Uh, coop said it a lot of timesmoment of truth, I think, is
their best album bar none.
Um, hard to earn is a closesecond, but moment of truth is
where everything really comestogether flawlessly and, uh,

(02:07:20):
this is my favorite record offthat.
So, um, next I got the enemy bybig l featuring, uh, fat joe
off the big picture and, man,listen, this track is so mean,
sinister, you know it's justlike.
This is the soundtrack you puton if you're walking somebody
down, like you know what I'msaying, like I'm gonna be dead

(02:07:43):
ass, like this, this track, thatgives you that feeling, man.
And then you know Big L and FatJoe with the bars, it just, you
know there's a.
It's a flawless track.
You know, shout out to Eppensman.
I told you I was gonnarepresent Big L on my list.
So yeah, you know, big L, hegot some classics over Premiere
Productions.
So the enemy's on my list, um.

(02:08:03):
Next up, I got none of y'allbetter, which is jada kiss
featuring the locks on hisalmost classic uh kiss the game,
goodbye album.
I think this is another, youknow, dark beat.
It's in premiere's wheelhousebut it's perfectly fitting for
the locks.
A lot of times people reference, recognize for um premiere with

(02:08:25):
you know linking, fitting forthe locks.
A lot of times people reference, recognize for Premier with you
know, linking up with the locks.
But to me that doesn't hold acandle to this record.
It's one of the standouts ofKiss the Game, goodbye From Me.
And it might have my favorite,one of my favorite intros all
the time to a record you know,where Styles P said we like the
Holy Trinity, we like three guns.
Three guns, he said, get shotthree different ways, matter of

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fact, six different ways, gotany champ bitch.
So you know, stylespy is wildman.

Speaker 1 (02:08:53):
I love that record man, I think none of y'all
better sounds, better thanrecognize, because locks do and
dreary better than they do thatyes a beat oh, absolutely, but
it don't get referenced near asmuch as Recognize, which blows
my mind.
I think Recognize has more ofthat Premiere sound that's more
notarized for that era.

Speaker 3 (02:09:13):
Absolutely, very true , very true.
Next, coop already had this oneon his list.
Another Big L classic over aPremiere beat.
Love this beat.
I love the energy on thisrecord.
But my god, that big daddy kanefeature.
Like yo in real time.
When I heard this I was amazed,like yo kane, because, like I

(02:09:33):
said, rappers were on runningback years.
So when I heard this feature Iwas like, oh shit, kane still
got it.
Like he might have out rap l onthis.
Like that's what I was thinking.
Yeah, he really did and that'swhat I was thinking in real time
.
Like punch lines was crazy,flow was in pocket.

Speaker 1 (02:09:50):
That like big daddy came when he said when I come
through, flip it with thechicken and broccoli tims.

Speaker 3 (02:09:57):
Yeah, I mean yeah, and then just to end it, the way
that he ended it was, you know,the way he ended the verse with
a cough and like part of myfucking sick with it.
It's almost as dope as how heended the symphony.
To me, like you know what I'msaying, it's very, very
symphony-like.
It's like you know shout out toKane.

Speaker 1 (02:10:15):
When he said I'm going to put it in your chest
like a Stockton pass, I was likeyo.

Speaker 3 (02:10:18):
Crazy, Crazy, Crazy, crazy.
And the beat is hanging rightwith them with the bars.
But love that record.
And we just talked about Kane.
So getting to another rapper ofthat era, that's an all-time
great.
Who is Kane's counterpart?
I'm going to go with Rakim whenI be on the mic Now.
Yes, love this record?

Speaker 1 (02:10:39):
Why did you pick this over?
It's Been a Long Time you likethis over.
It's Been a Long Time I do.

Speaker 3 (02:10:45):
I really do him, rock him sounds great over premiere
production and I'm gonna just behonest, this met the master
album was pretty bad and itwasn't a good album but but this
was one saving grace on thealbum.
I loved it.

Speaker 1 (02:10:57):
I love this record I'm about three records on that
album.

Speaker 3 (02:10:59):
This is one of them yeah, and rock him is floating
on it and rock him was in adifferent pocket on this, like
the bounce that the track has,rakim is really in his like
slick talk back.
If you listen to the lyrics and, like you know, I just love
what Rakim's doing on the track.
You know Braggadocio, you knowhe's going off and I do like it

(02:11:21):
over it.
It's been a long time, althoughthat is a great track as well.
So like it over.
It's been a long time, althoughthat is a great track as well.
So then next I got the formatby my man, az.
Uh, one thing about it coop umhad the come up on another press
play like a week or two ago,and this time too right right
now.
I didn't choose it either, butthe reason why I wanted to

(02:11:43):
highlight the format was becauseyou know we're getting ready to
get a Nas and Premier album.
But I wouldn't mind an AZ andPremier EP because if you think
of AZ's track record overPremier Beats, you got the come
up the format, what he did onthe Lady remix with D'Angelo,
the way he slid on that, Listen.

Speaker 1 (02:12:04):
I'll take a five piece.
I'll take a five piece from.
I'll take a five-piece from.

Speaker 3 (02:12:07):
A&P and Pring man listen.
Yeah, that's on my wish list atsome point, you know, after he
released it with Nas yo AZ.
If you're listening, go tap inwith Primo for about, you know,
a five-joint EP.
Would love to hear that.
So, and people sleep on that inthat my Lady remix.
Like that joint's crazy.
I almost put it on my list.
I almost put it on my list butI didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:12:28):
You want to know what A really killed the Monifa.
I missed your remix.

Speaker 3 (02:12:31):
Mm sure did Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:12:33):
Check the gold cellar , the Rockefeller with the
mozzarella.
The.

Speaker 3 (02:12:37):
Never, nots.
Cheddar trying to have thislock forever.
That whole era was fly, but Idigress, remix game was great.

Speaker 1 (02:12:48):
Ask R Kelly.

Speaker 3 (02:12:49):
Right, whoa hold on.
You got me agreeing with Wouse,got you?

Speaker 1 (02:12:54):
Happen fast, happen fast.

Speaker 3 (02:12:57):
That's the girl.
For my last song I got Boom byRoyce of Five Nine off the Rock
City album.
This is one of Premiere's bestbeats to me.
You know the ticking of theclock in the beat and then the
Lady of Rage sample in there.
Flawless Chef's kiss and thechemistry that they exhibited on
this.
For their first time, collabingwould come to fruition with two

(02:13:21):
full-length projects.
You know Prom 1 and Prom 2,which the first one I considered
, you know Prime 1 and Prime 2,which the first one I considered
, you know, close to being aclassic, and the second one is
solid as well.
So you know this was thebeginning of that relationship,
man, and shout out to Royce theFive Nine, one of my favorite
MCs.
Blue Pace sent him to theshadow realm, but I still rock
with Royce though the upsidedown of stranger things, but

(02:13:42):
this is the record.

Speaker 1 (02:13:45):
He's in the upside down.
Right now we need to go findright, but this was the record
that made me a fan, though I waslike I was like oh roy sound
like this over preem.
I'm like yeah go ahead andstamp him, so this was his stamp
moment.

Speaker 3 (02:13:58):
For me, this was his like hip-hop approval yeah, he
sounded natural with preem,which is no surprise why they
ended up making two full-lengthprojects together.

Speaker 1 (02:14:05):
That's how you knew he was a real MC too.
It's like well he's slidingover Prime-Preme.
Prime-preme, I think, for us,is like 94 to 02, and it's just
like what 98, 99?

Speaker 3 (02:14:16):
Yeah, but I'm going to tell you one thing.
Word is, they have been workinglow-key on Prime 3 a little bit
here and there.
If there's no Eminem feature onPrime 3 over Preem beat, I'm
going to be pissed.

Speaker 1 (02:14:28):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:14:31):
Nah, for real man.
We need that man.
We need him over Preem beat.
I'm going to just put that outthere.

Speaker 2 (02:14:37):
We can do it out.
So I had an idea what you guyswere going to go with.
I know you guys were going togo nostalgic with Preem.
I wanted to be a little bitmore unorthodox in my approach
to the Preem records so I wantedto kick mine off with the game
Born in a Trap.

Speaker 1 (02:14:54):
You're always trying to make yourself so special.
You get on my nerves.
No man, you want to know what Iwant to be a little different.

Speaker 3 (02:15:06):
I had an idea where you guys were going to go with
it before you sent your listover.
No, you didn't.
You act like you wasclairvoyant with it.
We sent you to our little list.
You saw where we was going.

Speaker 1 (02:15:14):
We had to send you a list.
We had to send you a list.

Speaker 2 (02:15:25):
At the end of the day , I want to represent the West
Coast first and foremost.
I was thinking about that onewith Snoop in Premiere or the
one with Lady Rage in Premiere,but I wanted to do it again
because I always thought Born toTrout was a dope record from
Premiere and Game.
Wish they did some more.

Speaker 3 (02:15:39):
And this album is slept on low key, right?
People sleep on the red album,very slept on.

Speaker 2 (02:15:44):
Yeah, I also wanted to go with J Rue to damage it.
You're playing yourself.
This was one of the jointsright here that started the
whole beef with Big right and Ifelt like this was one of the
ones that J Rue was actuallyreally trying to put himself in
position to be one of those outof New York Again.
The fact that Pre-Med was ableto do this but also still rock

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with Big and still be in thatwhole circle and always be
neutral Even Big threw a shot atPre-Med.
On kicking the door.

Speaker 1 (02:16:15):
On kicking the door, that wasn't a Preem shot.
You think that was a Preem shot.

Speaker 3 (02:16:20):
He's a Preem setting himself.
I'm surprised he run with them.
I heard they got you know whatI'm saying.
Like said it himself.
I'm surprised you run with them.
I heard they got you know whatI'm saying.
Yeah, that was for him Likesaying yo, how?

Speaker 2 (02:16:29):
you chilling with them over there.
Yeah, that was Supreme, thatwas Supreme.

Speaker 3 (02:16:33):
Nas Supreme Jay.
We went at everybody on thatrecord.

Speaker 1 (02:16:36):
That's my favorite big record.
Everybody called us straight.

Speaker 3 (02:16:40):
And I was low-key mad that I set a standard for
myself to not be able to usethat, because that's my favorite
big record of all time.

Speaker 1 (02:16:50):
It's real, for sure I remember where I was the first
time I heard Kick in the Door.

Speaker 2 (02:16:54):
I was like, oh, as do we all and I wasn't digging a
crate on this one.
I want to go with Sour Facefeaturing Red Dead.
Let it all.

Speaker 1 (02:17:03):
That was one of them joints Sour Face featuring Red
Dead.
Let it Off.
That was one of them, jointsSour.

Speaker 2 (02:17:07):
Face is ridiculous, look man 4.25, 4.25.

Speaker 3 (02:17:15):
They don't get brought up enough.
They put out dope stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:17:18):
Dope stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:17:19):
They're more of a hip hop group than Run the Jewels
are.

Speaker 2 (02:17:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:17:24):
That's a good point.
That goes back to the jewelsare.
Yeah, that's a good point.
That goes back to the nicheconversation though.

Speaker 2 (02:17:29):
Yeah, Absolutely.
I also want to represent CNNInvincible.
I think this was the best songon that album on the reunion
album.
Horn just got back home.

Speaker 3 (02:17:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:17:44):
Bandmate was dope too , but this was the one.
I felt like the In man babe wasdope too.
Man babe was dope, but this wasthe one.
This right, I felt like I feltlike the invincible was the one,
though I felt like this was wasthe one, and I really wanted to
go with that and phone home,what, what was it phone home
that was on on the first one.

Speaker 1 (02:17:58):
That was on um no, no , no not, not, not, not, not
capone, hold on.
What was the?
What was the first single?
Remember?
The first single was like um,they was talking, like Capone
was still locked up and no wherehe was on the outside, and they
was going back and forth.
Remember that joint.

Speaker 2 (02:18:12):
Yeah, that was.
They had the video for that onetoo, yeah.
That was the first thing.

Speaker 3 (02:18:16):
That was the first thing.
It wasn't.

Speaker 1 (02:18:27):
I thought that was the B-side single.

Speaker 3 (02:18:27):
He's like we gon' thug this shit when Fox is
taking it.
Bang Bang was my secondfavorite on there.
Invincible hands down was myfirst.

Speaker 1 (02:18:34):
Fox gave Kim some body blows on there.
Yeah, she gave us some hell onthat.
There's some work on there.

Speaker 2 (02:18:41):
For sure my next one Digging the Crate Black Poet I
don't know if y'all rememberBlack Poet from Screwball.
Yo Queensbridge, queensbridge,fine, shout out to Black Poet.
But the only reason I love thisjoint was because I remember
when Black Poet actually droppedit, nas had loved this song.
He actually did a freestyle tobang this instrumental.

(02:19:04):
He did a freestyle to this andI've always thought this was one
of Cream's most slept on beatson Bang.
This Loved his joint.
He went crazy on the beat onthis joint.
My next one West Side Guns Seanversus Flair.
I don't know why you guys leftthis one out.
I don't know why y'all leftthis one out.

Speaker 1 (02:19:23):
It's one of his better modern day beats.

Speaker 2 (02:19:26):
It is.
Yeah, it is, it is.
And that's why I wanted torepresent this one, because we
always felt that, like you saidI think you said what 02, 01,
maybe 02, maybe 03-ish Preemkind of lost a little bit of
that extra spark that he had,because after that he was kind

(02:19:47):
of like a hit or miss or kind ofrecycled type stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:19:48):
If you really want to know the truth, this is where
we need to start considering ittoo.
He had a longer run than mostof his contemporaries in terms
of his peak.
His peak is longer than Q-Tips.
It's longer than Large Pros.
It's longer than Pete Rocks.
In a lot of ways, it's longerthan Dre's.

Speaker 2 (02:20:04):
Yeah, as long as Pete Rocks.
In a lot of ways it's longerthan Dre's?

Speaker 1 (02:20:08):
Yeah, because he did so much.

Speaker 2 (02:20:09):
That's what I mean, he did more work than Dre did.
He was doing four albums.
He was doing four albums.
He was doing Lucy's.
He was doing a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:20:17):
He was doing a lot he did two JRu albums, an OC album
, three MOP albums the five.
Gangstar albums, thecontributions to everybody
else's albums.

Speaker 2 (02:20:28):
He was doing a lot man.

Speaker 3 (02:20:30):
This is up there with my.
You know, like you said for amodern joint, but the one that I
would put above this is thejoint on Ab Soul's last album,
herbert.
What's?

Speaker 1 (02:20:39):
the Rome joint.

Speaker 3 (02:20:46):
Oh yeah, I forget the name of it.
I know what you're talkingabout.
Cream got a handful of dopemodern joints.

Speaker 1 (02:20:55):
That might be the best modern beat he's done is
the Rome joint.

Speaker 3 (02:20:58):
He got some joints.

Speaker 2 (02:20:59):
He got some joints and my last one, fat Joe, that
white Hard record, oh, mygoodness, oh my, goodness, oh my
goodness, one thing I can sayabout Fat Joe in his run.
He never failed with production.

Speaker 3 (02:21:16):
One of the best years .

Speaker 1 (02:21:18):
I just want to get something clear.
Yeah, you love Fat Joe, but youhate Rick Ross.

Speaker 2 (02:21:24):
I don't hate Rick Ross Ross.
I don't hate Rick Ross.
I don't like what Rick Ross hasdone.
You said that with a straightface you see how he tried.
I don't hate Rick Ross.
I just don't like the way hehandled things with this whole
Drake stuff, kendrick stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:21:40):
He shouldn't implement himself into that do
we not have tape and footage ofthis man being disrespectful to
Rick Ross before the scenestarted?

Speaker 2 (02:21:49):
Absolutely.
Don't use the thief as anexcuse about the disrespectful.
I don't like his antics.
I don't like his antics.

Speaker 1 (02:21:56):
Because you don't like Rick Ross.

Speaker 3 (02:21:58):
Jopra got some antics too.

Speaker 2 (02:22:01):
I see what Coop's getting at.
Jopra has some antics, but notlike Ross Fair.
He's just done some funny stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:22:09):
I don't know I don't know that sounds a little New
York biased.
Corona Queen, Nah Cool.

Speaker 2 (02:22:16):
You got to admit he do some funny stuff.
He taught himself in the thirdpost, joe, don't do funny stuff,
joe, he does Rosé, rosé.
Come on of his stuff, y'all.

Speaker 3 (02:22:26):
He does.

Speaker 1 (02:22:26):
Rosé, rosé.
What's the difference betweenFat?

Speaker 3 (02:22:29):
Joe and Rosé at this point.

Speaker 1 (02:22:31):
It's not much.
I'm trying to have a bottle ofBel-Air too.

Speaker 2 (02:22:33):
It's not.
Some say the pickle better keepcoming If you don't show Joe
all this love.

Speaker 1 (02:22:38):
You be showing Joe a lot of love and you should just
think about maybe showing Rosé.
Some love Rosé.

Speaker 3 (02:22:47):
Nah, but this is a hard Pat Jones song.

Speaker 2 (02:22:49):
This joint goes I didn't want to do two Joe joints
because I really wanted to doI'm Gone, because he had that on
the Dark Side album with Primo.
I wanted to do that one as well, but I felt like that white was
the one, that white is the oneand I really want to represent
that as well.

Speaker 1 (02:23:07):
You think it's better than that gangster shit off.

Speaker 2 (02:23:09):
Don Carter Jalen.
I think so.
I think so.
That white beat is crazy man.

Speaker 3 (02:23:15):
I don't know.
That's a close one.

Speaker 2 (02:23:17):
Go back and listen to that white.
Go back and listen to that.

Speaker 1 (02:23:21):
So here's the thing.
Think about this we just cameup with 21 songs, but we
probably named about another 21to 25 songs.

Speaker 3 (02:23:27):
Just in conversation.
Yeah, and that's what I wasabout to say.

Speaker 1 (02:23:32):
And that's without us really bringing up the J Big
and Nas song.

Speaker 2 (02:23:35):
That's what I'm saying he was working.

Speaker 1 (02:23:39):
You know, when he says he's the top three producer
, all the time it's like youwant to know what he is.

Speaker 3 (02:23:47):
I have number two behind RZA, and that's only
because of RZA's run.
It was so dynamic.

Speaker 1 (02:23:50):
I think I might have to put him at two ahead of RZA
and slide RZA to three is whatmy thought was today.

Speaker 3 (02:23:55):
I won't do it.
I'm not mad at them beinginterchangeable, I'm not mad at
that.

Speaker 1 (02:24:00):
but we just came up with a.
So we're clear Kanye's not inthe top three then.
Kanye's not in the top threethen.

Speaker 2 (02:24:07):
Whew, I don't know, kanye might be Dre Rizaprene.

Speaker 3 (02:24:13):
I don't have Dre at number one because there's too
many question marks behind thisproduction.

Speaker 1 (02:24:16):
But still Dre Rizaprene like one, two, three,
three.
Two one, two, three.

Speaker 3 (02:24:20):
I got Kanye at four.
I got Kanye at four, like I gotKanye at four, I got.

Speaker 1 (02:24:24):
Kanye at four, like I said, not top three, though
right Dre, rza Premium is topthree still, right, right, cool,
yeah, so Ye's four at most.

Speaker 2 (02:24:32):
I put Ye at four.

Speaker 1 (02:24:33):
I put Ye at four.

Speaker 3 (02:24:35):
Yeah, ye's trajectory looks like he was getting ready
to pass everybody.

Speaker 1 (02:24:40):
But we'll see how that's gone.

Speaker 3 (02:24:42):
It leveled up.
Yeah, it balanced itself outReal quick, though we just came
out with a fire playlist 21tracks.
You know what I'm saying for DJPremier.
So those of you who are notfamiliar with DJ Premier's work
that are watching run thisplaylist when we put it up.
But I want to just brag onmyself for a little bit before
we get off here.
You're going to call me a standcoop, but when we did our

(02:25:08):
spotify rap, when it told us themost songs listened to,
actually my number one song for2024 was define my name.
So shout out to premiere forthat record.
You know I'm saying streamed it52 times.
I think it said so.
My number one stream song for2024.
I know you hate on that song,coop.

Speaker 1 (02:25:25):
Yeah, it's just okay.
It better not be on the album.

Speaker 2 (02:25:29):
And I haven't done my .

Speaker 1 (02:25:30):
Spotify Raptor, my Apple Music or my YouTube music
playlist yet, but I will.
But I have a good idea aboutthe stuff that I have listened
to this year, so I imagine thatI'll be seeing some usual
suspects.

Speaker 3 (02:25:42):
Family Matters is going to be your number one
joint.
I'm pretty sure no.

Speaker 1 (02:25:44):
I'm pretty sure.
No, it didn't play, it's aget-em-go record.
I'll tell you what a record Idid play.
I played Wise Up, a lot, commonand Pete Rock.
Wise Up got a lot of play thisyear.

Speaker 3 (02:25:56):
Wise Up is crazy Wise .

Speaker 1 (02:25:59):
Up is really good.
Wise Up got a lot of play thisyear.
We'll see what my list islooking like, sean.
So we'll see what my list islooking like.
Sean's list has everything butJ on it I'm pretty certain.

Speaker 2 (02:26:08):
So we know how that is, j's my number three.

Speaker 3 (02:26:13):
J's my number three I got to see like picture
evidence of that, I put it inDiscord.
Oh, did you, Okay, okay.
Definitely want evidence.
All right J rude or damager.
Right J old felony.

Speaker 2 (02:26:25):
That dude's crazy J Rude a damager Right J O Felony,
that dude's crazy man, NotJay-Z.

Speaker 1 (02:26:29):
You shouldn't be talking about Jay-Z.
All right, fellas, it's time toget out of here.
I got to go.

Speaker 2 (02:26:33):
Yo fellas, appreciate y'all.
Thank you for the chat onDiscord Dialogues.
Shout out to the Discord.
Follow us on HipHopTalks1,twitter, facebook, discord,
youtube, like, subscribe.
Share all that good stuff.
Peace we out.
Trio Gold Shop.
Trio Gold Shop Everything's inthe chat.

Speaker 3 (02:26:57):
Peace y'all.

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