The National Synarchist Union

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hi everyone. This is Carmen and Christina and this is
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(00:32):
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oh you beat me to it. Okay, well, Christina, today

(00:54):
we're talking about fascism. Okay, very on team. It's always
on team in the US. But sadly, yeah, today we're
talking about a fascist organization from Mexico, the National Synarchist Union. Oh,
Mexican fascism. Yeah. The National Synracist Union is also commonly

(01:16):
referred to as ls signor gistans. And before we get
into it, let's define synarchy or synarchism. Have you heard
this term? No, synarchism means joint rule or harmonious rule,
meaning a form of government where political power rests with
a secret elite aka a shadow government or a deep state.

(01:41):
Oh that doesn't sound good. Yeah, a real deep state,
a real deep state. Synarchy is not always religious, but
in Mexico it was okay, And I mean, of course
this goes without saying, but a government ruled by a
shadow government or a secret lead is not good, right, right? Right?

(02:02):
Wouldn't you say you agree? So you agree? Would agree? Yes?
The National Sernacist Union was co founded by Josse Antonio Gisa,
who is now described as a fascist, although in life
he was supposedly a political and was interested more in religion.
I'd argue that an interest in religion is almost always

(02:25):
going to be conservative. Sometimes none, yeah, not always, not always.
I take it back, I take it back. Not always.
Hashtag not all Christians, but for Jsse Antonio. Josse Antonio
or Giza, was a hardcore Catholic, but like extremists, extremists
as yets okay. He was born April tenth, nineteen oh four,

(02:49):
in Queretaro to a wealthy land owning family, but the
family would go on to lose a lot of their
land during the Mexican Revolution. I was going to ask
what time places all this, but you're about to say, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and so that happening. You know. His family losing their
land during the revolution, no doubt influenced his ideology, even

(03:10):
though he denied it was political. Okay, couldn't have radicalized him,
but in a bad way. Yeah, the other way. Before
Kofani the Synarchist Union, Juos Antonio was part of a
secret Catholic society, an organization called the Base or the Legion,
based out of Gua Oh no bad, Oh well, well,

(03:35):
I kinda even to this day is known as a
more Well, it's funny because it's known as probably the
second gayest city of Mexico besides Mexico. But Calisco itself
is very conservative and known to fall for right wing propaganda.

(04:00):
I don't know if that's the right way to say
it or not, but prone prone to be a more
right wing I guess, yeah, and Catholic okay, but in
a bad way, you know, but in a bad way. Yeah,
But anyway. They were based out of Guadracarta and he
was the leader of the Guana Quato division of the Legion.
And I tried to find more info on this organization

(04:21):
but couldn't really find anything. It's a secret, right of course.
I did find a PDF that talked about the National
League for the Defense of Religious Liberty or the League
for short, and it was founded in nineteen twenty five
and had a faction in guader Raacara. So then as
I read about it and read on, it seemed like

(04:43):
the League was a predecessor to the Legion, and the
League actually split because a small group of Jesuits opposed
using violence as a tactic and then just would Yeah,
and anyway, these organizations met in secret with former Cristos.
Oh not good to plot against the government. And we'll

(05:09):
get into the Cosetto's a bit later on, but very briefly,
because it could be its own topic. It certainly could,
and it's in the list. It is well. They say
that the tunnels, the tunnels in Waldaara were used a
lot during the Cossetto War, I'm sure. In nineteen thirty seven,
joss Antonio requested a meeting with other Legion division leaders

(05:32):
and they met in May of that year. This was
when they established the National Synarchise Union and the goal
of the NSCU for short. I'm just gonna say NSCU
for now, Okay, was twofold one to follow the guidelines
of the and I don't know. I guess I'll just
say it's Spanish, even though I guess secondly it's in
Latin erum novarum. Oh, look, you casting spells, okay or not?

(05:59):
I tried to say, I tried to remember a spell
from Harry Saw. I could remember them until you said
that that's the only one I remember. Anyway, This this
thing was from Leo the thirteenth, okay. And so that's
basically a guideline on the participation of Catholics and politics.

(06:23):
I read more about it, but that was the easiest
way for me to summarize it. But it's basically it
was like a whole speech by Leo the thirteenth, basically
saying you have to be Catholic every moment of every second,
in every aspect of your life. And so then people
took it to me, you have to be Catholic in
your politics as well. At least these people took it
to mean that. Yeah. And then the other goal of

(06:48):
theirs was to fight against the secularization of the Mexican
post revolutionary government, because this was a big thing post revolution.
I mean, hence the Castao War. Yes, exactly, I did translate.
I forgot I did that. Okay, So I did translate
this Spellue said earlier. Yeah, I am hexting our listeners

(07:10):
not oh no, not them. J I wouldn't do that
to you. So anyway, it didn't make sense to me.
And then I read some articles and that's how I
understood that it was kind of like a guideline for politics. Okay, Catholics.
But in case that makes sense to anyone, I'll just
share my translation of it. So it said, quote, so

(07:33):
that each one may know his obligation to God, what
he must believe, what he must hope for, and what
he must do for his eternal eternal salvation. And zealous
care must be taken to strengthen them against the errors
of certain opinions and against the various corruptions of vice.
Let the workers be urged and incited to the worship

(07:54):
of God, to a love of piety above all, let
them be vigilant and fulfilling the obligation of holy days.
Let them learn to love and revere the Church, the
common mother of all and also to fulfill her precepts
and frequent the sacraments, which are the divine instruments of
purification and sanctification. That's what the thing is. All that

(08:16):
came from those three Latin words. No, the redom nevedum
is this it's like a speech. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah,
I didn't mean he said it in Latin, but I
understand now. I think that this is basically what the speech. Yeah, yeah,
and those three words are the name of the speech.

(08:37):
And if I understood correctly, like redum novadom is like
a directive sort of, it's like a something like that. Okay, yeah, wow,
my bad, I don't know where, know where you got
that from? Yeah, And so they really believed in that.

(08:57):
A month after founding the NSU, in June nineteenth, Juos
Antonio and another leader of the group named Jose Troeba
Olivarees drafted the Synarchist Manifesto, which says the following. Face
with the distressing problem that agitate the entire nation, it
is absolutely, absolutely necessary that there be an organization composed

(09:18):
of true patriots, an organization that works for the restoration
of the fundamental rights of each citizen. Whose highest goal
is the salvation of the homeland. In contrast to the Utopians,
who dream of a society without rulers and without laws,
Synarchism wants a society governed by a legitimate authority emanating

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from the free, democratic activity of the people, which truly
guarantees the social order within which everyone finds their happiness,
but not in a selfish way, but ensuring that everyone
achieves the good that each one desires for themselves. In
the face of every human pain, in the face of
every social evil, Synarchism proposes to study how to press

(10:00):
it and work until this end is achieved. Nothing that
has social significance will be indifferent to it. The common
good will have to be its constant occupation, and its
task will always be to work to achieve it. Synarchism
is a way of being and living, a way of
feeling and acting in the face of problems that affect
the general interest. It is a spiritual generous attitude, is

(10:24):
a spirit and will always ready to serve others. The
synarchist asks for nothing for himself. He must always be
ready to dedicate himself to any work that results in
collective benefit, to lend the resources of his physical strength,
his money, or his talent to provide any media and
affect the remedy for any social evil. The good of
all public happiness and the moral and economic salvation of

(10:48):
the nation demand a price, the sacrifice and effort that
each person must contribute according to their means. Oh my God,
it goes on. Synarchism is a positive movement which unifies, builds,
and aggrandizes, and therefore diametrically opposed to the doctrines that
support postulates of hatred and devastation. Synarchism proclaims love for

(11:11):
the homeland and will oppose with all its forces the
systems that seek to erase the borders of peoples to
turn the world into an immense feeverdom where the evil
and perverse propagandaists who invented these theories easily rain. Synarchism
will be the most ardent defender of justice, and will

(11:32):
therefore persecute those who traffic in human misery. Synarchism cannot
concede that there is happiness and progress where there is
no freedom. It believes that this is the most sacred
conquest of humanity, and will fight tirelessly until it prevails
in our country. In this manifesto, The Synarchist Organizing Committee
launches a call to all Mexicans who are willing to

(11:53):
work for the aggrandizement of Mexico, to all those who
getting rid of selfishness, want to lend their cooperate to
organize any society on the basis of greater justice. The
ills that afflct our country will not be remedied with lamentations,
but with well directed activity. The Synarchist movement has set
three luminous words as that's motto, Country, Justice and Freedom.

(12:19):
So very long, yeah, very long. Like on paper, it
doesn't sound terrible at first, but then I guess when
they're like because I maybe I know, and I didn't
know this for the longest time. I just knew the
Pristino War was something that happened. But the big issue
people had with religion in Mexico that led to the

(12:39):
Consta War is that the churches were very greedy and
they were like demanding money from people. And so without
that context of that's how the religious organizations worked in
Mexico at the time, this synergy sounds like a good thing, right,
But if they're trying to keep the religious order in charge,
then then it's not a good thing. It's not not

(13:01):
and it's within the context of yeah yeah, yeah, and
it's really posturing like nationalism, yes, which is always bad,
and it's always tied to fascism as well, always yeah yeah. Okay.
So back to the Ukiza family. Although the Uquisa family
lost a lot of their land during the revolution, they
were so wealthy landowners and as we know, landowners are

(13:25):
not the kindest to their tenants, especially during this time,
and so joss Antonio was described as quote not an exemplary,
exemplary landlord okay, and he was known to mistreat his workers,
which some say could have been a reason for his death. Oh.
On April eleventh, nineteen thirty eight, Josse Antonio went to

(13:46):
a paseo the Grande, a town in Guanaquato to settle
a dispute he had with the farmer working in one
of its properties, Isidro Para. The dispute ended with Thesidro,
who was drunk, stabbing and killing jos Antonio in Sidro
was sentenced to thirty years in prison for the murder
of juss Atonio, but Hossantonio's family and fellow UNS members

(14:08):
believe that then President Nasaro Cardenas directly ordered the death
of Cossantonio since the Guisas opposed the land reform and
Cardenas in general. Okay, yeah, and so the UNS made
a martyr out of ross Antonio. And anyway, you might
be wondering why any of this matters and what is

(14:34):
so bad about the UNS and Cusstantonio and why you're
talking about it. Yeah, like what you've been talking about.
But the issue, or one of the issues, is that
coss Antonio co founded a movement that pushed for the
return to the traditions of Roman Catholicism, Spanish heritage, and
a Christian social order. And the movement opposed communism. And

(14:57):
this is not really an issue, but it was just
a thing of theirs. But because they're a fascist organization, right,
they opposed communism. But they also opposed what they called
Protestant liberalism, and they also referred to it as the
Yankee Protestant liberalism. Oh and so this was actually something
I did agree with them on. They opposed Protestant liberalism

(15:21):
because they felt it was too much tied to capitalism
and that it valued capitalism over religion. And remember, these
people have religion over anything, right, So that's why they
didn't agree with that. And they strongly opposed the United
States and the United States intervention, which that I can
agree on as well. Same and they even opposed the

(15:42):
US and racism against black people and Mexican migrants. And
I was like, okay, wait, am I are playing? And
they also denounced the Brassetta program because of the mistreatment
and the low wages that the Brassettos were subjected to.
But at the same time they support US, they supported

(16:03):
fascist dictators like Franco Mussolini. I don't know, I said,
Masoli Spanish and Hitler. Oh yeah, yeah, so you know
that's where we draw line, rightfully. So wow, okay, so
some points and some not good points, right right right.

(16:24):
And one of the founders of the movement of the
Synarchists Union or whatever was a German professor of languages
Into named Helmuth Oscar Schleider, and he was an actual
member of the Nazi Party and I and the NSU
was also a revival of the Guiseto movement. M yeah,

(16:49):
so we haven't I think we've mentioned it here and there. Yeah,
and we have yet to dedicate an episode to it.
But briefly. The Crissetto War is also known as the
Crisetto Rebellion or La Cristiana. It took place from August third,
nineteen twenty six to June twenty first, nineteen twenty nine,

(17:13):
as a response to the secular articles of the nineteen
seventeen Constitution, and more specifically, as a response to the
gay Is Law, which sought to limit the power of
the Catholic Church in Mexico. And the violence originated. Do
you know where it was in it Guadalajara? Yeah, yeah,

(17:34):
it originated in Guadalajara where about four hundred Catholics shut
themselves in the Santuario Thenstrasenoa Gualupe or the Church of
Our Lady of Wallupe, and they exchanged gunfire with federal troops.
And it was a very like conflicting thing because many
people didn't know like the deep or for many people,

(17:58):
it was literally just about religion and like Catholics, they're
going to Catholic heart, especially in Mexico, and many people
conflated that with the purpose of the law, which was
again to limit the power because like one group having
a power like that is not a good thing. But
to many people. I was like, oh, we can't be Catholic.
They're attacking the Catholics. And so that's why a lot

(18:19):
of people supported the war, not because they wanted to
remain like oh, to be the church by the Catholic Church, yes,
but because they were Catholic right right. Overall, about ninety
thousand people died from the war, and even after the
war was over, Cristeto's continued to act out violently towards
the government, government officials, and public school teachers, who they

(18:44):
saw as evil because they were implementing secular education. Cristeto's
would commonly cut off the ears of teachers. Oh my god. Yeah,
I didn't know that. Yeah, And this was so it
was like such a common practice by the Crissettos that
it be known as maestoto sisters. Oh my god, so

(19:04):
like uneered teachers. Like yeah, so like teachers without ears,
but like you know in Spanish, like there's different rules, Yeah,
like uneered teachers. That's why I said, yeah. Yeah. It
estimated that about three hundred teachers in rural areas were
killed by Cristetos between nineteen thirty five and nineteen thirty nine,

(19:25):
always the rural areas and you know who lives in
the rural communities, the indigenous people. Yeah. Of course, many
Catholics were also killed, even some who didn't take up arms,
and a group of twenty five martyrs were later canonized
in May two thousand by Pope John Paul the Second.
And there's a lot more that can be said about

(19:46):
this again, but that's all. It can be its own topic. Yeah. Yeah.
Although the founders of the NSU were wealthy, most of
its members were Campecinos and working class. Yeah. Of course,
of course, because we're always finding the rich math war. Yeah,
even a lot of the victims of the Cristiino War
were not, like, you know, the elite. Yeah, And that's

(20:10):
why I'm saying it was like the people, the people
that were Catholic and the people who wanted, you know,
whatever it was. It's always the people and who's on
top with their little fucking puppet, these little bitches with money. Yeah.
Most NSCU members were from El Centrol, Occidente, So Central West, Halisco, Guano,

(20:31):
Creo and mitrocam and it's heyday. Around nineteen forty to
nineteen forty three, there were about six one hundred thousand members.
Some compare these skistas to international church sponsored fascism like
what happened in Spain. But it should be noted that
the Mexican Catholic Church denounced the Legion. They did not

(20:53):
agree with the legion and they were like acting acting
on their own yeah, on their owner court. So they
denounced the legion and you know, later became the NSU,
and they opposed The Mexican Catholic Church opposed further mobilization
against the state after the Carecido War. They didn't want
to see the more violence in the name of the
church basically. Yeah. Also, the rise of these Catholic militants

(21:17):
had more to do specifically with the with discontent with
the secularization being pushed by the revolutionary government. How the
Cacido War ended and land reformed specific to Mexico, while
in other areas like Spain, right wing Catholics or responding
to post war economies and accumulations from losing the wars

(21:39):
that they were involved in. Right, So it was just
a different situation cific situation Mexico ya. And although there
were differences between traditional fascists and the NSU, the NSU
was never beating the fascist allocations because in many ways
they were the same. For example, the Snearkistans had their
own obligatory arms salute, with which yeah, whenever you have

(22:03):
your own special salute, it's a little yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
We had a little fascists. Yeah yeah, And they opened
and closed their meetings with the little arm salute that
kind of did look like a Nazi salute. I saw
a little diagram demonstrating how they did it, and I
was like, it's very it's giving Nazi damn. Yeah. The
Scenekistas also often stage militaristic processions and believed in strict

(22:28):
general roles. But it was all it was performative, and
I forgot what I was listening to where they talked
about like fascism, Like a huge aspect of fascism is
the theatric aspect of it, the performance of it. I mean,
hence the little parade. Yes, yeah, and so yeah, they
they did the same, and they believed in strict general roles,

(22:50):
and this could be seen in their code of conduct,
in which they admonished women quote, not to betray your
wonderful destiny as a woman by devoting yourself to manly labors.
Their place is not in combat, but it foster you
to push and comit meant to fight even if you
see that it is dangerous. And even though they believed
in strict gender roles and that the women's domain was
in their homes and children, many women who joined the

(23:12):
NSU felt like it brought them more into the public domain.
It was very interesting to read about how so what
does that mean? So before being part of the NSU,
they felt like they were just in their homes all
the time and were not participating in public life. Oh,
I could see that any organization would do that. Yeah,
fascions or not. Yeah, like you didn't have to join
that ns you know, you could have joined something else.

(23:36):
Although they couldn't participate in the meetings, they prepped food
for the meetings, hosted the meetings in their homes. They
gave them purpose. Yeah, they taught in catechism, they led festivals.
In fact, some of the women credited their participation in
the NSU for their later participation in larger political movements
like universal suffrage or the women's rights women's right to vote.

(23:59):
So I could see that. Yeah, like some good came
out of it. Yeah, women learned and practiced activism. Yes, yeah,
sure it was a little fascist, but they later went
to support other causes not fascist, things like women's right
to vote. Although so women gained the right to vote

(24:21):
and they vote for and that then they vote against
their interest Exhibit A the United States. Besides staging protests
and militaristic rallies, the Snakistas met weekly through their local
branches since they were organized regionally, and at these weekly

(24:41):
meetings they planned their protests, rallies, and propaganda. They even
organized their propaganda by committees. And these different committees were orientation, Combat, conquest,
and direction. That's very organized. And you know what, that's
one thing about fascism and the right. They are so organized.
They're so organized, and they've been doing what they do,

(25:03):
what they have been doing for so long that they know.
And that's what the left we have. Yeah, because we
all have different mental disorders, we can't get organized. Yeah. Anyway,
sal was the main ideologue behind the NSU's beliefs, and

(25:24):
he was unfortunately a fan of the Nazis okay and
a fan of fascism in general. Okay, guess what he
loved about them their organization. Oh gone, I has been like,
they're so organized. Well I meant it derogatory, right right
parentheses derogatory. But yeah, he loved their organizational and hierarchical structure.

(25:51):
They are fascism, author authoritarianism, nationalism, inflexible ideology and discipline.
Don't think he didn't like because that's some fascist governments
participated in the persecution of Christians after World War Two
as the Cold War rage, the scene Acquisas spread propaganda

(26:13):
accusing the Mexican government of colluding with Russians and wanting
to be the next Kremlin, and they spread a baseless
conspiracies about it because they were so nationalists, they were
also against the US, and again that makes sense to me. Gosh, sorry,
this is such a conflict of interest going on here.
It's so strange, it's so funny. It's so funny that

(26:34):
you say that, because I have an example of a
pamphlet type of thing they made that makes no sense.
One pamphlet the Scenearquistas made to show that they were
pushing back against tyranny, depicted a Senerakista hand and like
so like the Sista uniform because they had their own uniform, okay,
and it was a hand stopping the Soviet Union. So

(26:56):
it's like the like a stop sign like this right,
stopping this union the US and Germany. But they were
conflating fascism with communism, like it didn't make sense. And
also they were grouping them together. Yeah, and Spain was
engaging in fascism as well, but they had no problem
with Spanish fascism. Yeah. That that is so strange. Yeah.

(27:18):
And so eventually the scene Kista's reputation became damaged because
they supported the access in World War two gone, and
after the scene Akista movement died down mostly due to
internal power struggles, which some say always happens with fascism,
like it never lasts. But I mean, did we want

(27:39):
to last twenty years like Inlace we wait longer? Yeah? Yeah.
So yeah, they they died down mostly due to internal
power struggles. And from what I read, if I understood correctly,
many scene Acquistas joined the ranks of FUN Okay, that's
not surprise. Yeah. And this is the Partido yeah, the

(28:05):
national nationalists, yeah, the more right wing. Yeah. Historian Jean
Meyer described GisMo as a cult of the military, the
Mexican flag, religion, the imperial and Hispanic past, and a
cult of fallen militants for the fatherland of hatred for
the US. Of irridentism. I'm going to define that later.

(28:29):
I'm going to define it after the quote ends. Okay,
of irridentism, evoking an epoch in which from Florida to
Oregon all was Spanish and irid. Can you say irridentism
means a policy of advocating the restoration to a country
of any territory formerly belonging to it. Okay, wanting to
restore Mexico as Spain and that is as a colony

(28:53):
of Spain. Yeah, not good, not good, not good. So
that was just a service level overview of the scene cisnas.
I will have those sources below and there's like one
hundred page article or like research study that I use.
So that's what I'm saying, Like, this is a really
you know, surface level or review of the scenexista. But

(29:15):
I wanted to talk a little bit about why this
is on my mind? Okay, that was my question, like what, like,
how did yeah, how did this happen? I was listening
to the Fifteen Minutes of Fascism podcasts. At the end
of every episode, the host celebrates the death of a
fascist that died that day or that week that the
episode is released. So that's how I learned of Antonia.

(29:36):
And then I was like, let me look him up
to see what's up with him. And then I from
looking him up, I learned about the NSU, and that
piqued my interest because I worked on these notes a
while ago, and it was around the time that Pope
Francis rip died and the Conclave was set to start,
So I was very obsessed with yes then. And there

(29:58):
was a lot of discourse around then about cultural or
creatle Catholics versus converts, you know, because Jdie Bands famously
is a convert. He famously killed the Pope Paul Francis. Yeah,
allegedly famously, right, and so yeah, there was like a
little a lot of discourse about that, and Catholicism was

(30:20):
on my noggin. It was, and more importantly though, fascism
and Christian nationalism have been on my mind for years.
That is true. That is true, and now things to
you also in my mind, and it should be on
all of our minds because the two are intertwined. Like
a pretzel. Yeah yeah, but not a good pretzel, a

(30:42):
bad pretzel, very bad quality, the lowest quality of pretzel
you can probably ever get in prettel, Yeah, dumb. Christian
nationalism is comparable to synarchism and to the goals of
the NSU, because Christian nationalism is an ideology based on
the idea that the US is a Christian nation and

(31:02):
was founded as a Christian nation, and thus should be
a Christian nation today in the future, meaning no separation
of state and church, and believing that the state should
actually be taking direction from the Church and that law
should be based on Christian values. Of course, we know,
you know, any reasonable person that learned history the regular way,

(31:23):
he knows that the United States was not founded as
a Christian nation and that the founding fathers actually were veryous, yes,
and the very least secular right and intentionally wrote about
the separation of church and state. And then these Christian
nationalism are twisting it in they're little twisted heads. And
again this is not for regular Christians. Okay, so don't

(31:45):
get you know, don't get angry. These are extremists. Extremism
has become normalized. Yeah, so it's a growing faction of
Christianity and they think that or argue that this separation
of church and state was actually a separation of not

(32:06):
from the stay from the church, but basically trying to
say that the church was meant to leave. I don't
know how they twisted that way, but that's what they argue.
That doesn't make any sense, but yeah, okay. So many
people in groups that subscribe to Christian nationalism believe in
spiritual warfare osaaki. Christians are called to fight a cosmic

(32:27):
battle between good and evil and that it is their
duty to be soldiers for God. And these people were
actually some of the earliest Trump supporters. M Yeah. One
specific group that believes in this is the New Apolistic
Reformation Christians, and hundreds of them were at the Capitol
on January sixth. Hundreds. Yeah, I didn't know that. On

(32:49):
January sixth, the rioters recited a prayer after breaking into
Senate chambers and it went like this quote, Jesus Christ,
we invoke your name. Thank you, Heavenly Father for having
the inspiration to allow us to send a message to
all of the tyrants, the communists, and the globalists that
this is our nation, not theirs, that we will not

(33:10):
allow America, the American way, the US to go down.
We love you, and we thank you. In Christ's Holy name,
we pray. So you cannot separate the moment that we're
in or January sixth, from Christian nationalism. This group, as
many evangelical churches, have partnered with the likes of Charlie

(33:32):
Kirk and if you don't know that name, God bless you.
Oh yeah, but he's basically a white supremacist. But if
you tell him that to his space, he's like, what
do you mean, what do you mean define white supremacists?
And what is white? What is a woman? Right? Right?
Dumb ass shit like that. So he's basically a white
supremacist who likes to argue with twenty year old college students,

(33:53):
and he runs Turning Point USA, which is a Christian
nationalist organization. If you don't know what that is, blessed again,
God bless you. And a lot can be said about this,
and a lot has been said about this. So I
think we can get into some recommendations about this, maybe
at the end, some which we've already talked about. I think,

(34:15):
but this is the ideology behind American Exceptionalism Project twenty
twenty five, which we are currently being subjected to. We're
being put through the trenches of we're in the trenches. Yeah.
Project twenty twenty five is stepping down our necks. Yeah,
the dismantling of Roe v. Wade, the restriction of gender

(34:37):
affirming care, and a lot more, and we can go
all the way back. This is the ideology behind slavery
and colonization as well. Yeah. And in more recent US
it's become a parent that advance Bolter, the suspect in
the assassination of the Minnesota state representative. If Melissa Hortman

(35:00):
and her husband has ties to the New Apostolic Reformation
and the christ for Nations Institute a Christian college or school,
I don't even know which one. I don't know if
it's college. I know it's a Christian school though. And
he was even a missionary in the Democratic Republican Republic
of the Congo. Oh no, yeah, not a missionary wow.

(35:24):
And one of the private security companies in which he
listed himself as a CEO and the president of which
who knows if that's even true, but you know that's
what he listed it on his LinkedIn. One of these
was based in the Congo. In his sermons which he
delivered in the Congo one as recent as February twenty
twenty three, and it seems like he was there from
twenty twenty one to twenty twenty three if I remember right.

(35:46):
But anyway, he can be heard saying that people don't
know what sex they are because the devil has gone
so far into their mind and their soul, and they
don't know abortion is wrong. This is like a quote
from him. Many churches, they don't have the gifts flowing.
God gives the body gifts to keep balance because when
the body starts moving in the wrong direction, when they're

(36:08):
won and accepting the gifts, God will raise an apostle
or prophet to correct their course. God is going to
raise up apostles and prophets in America to correct his church.
And I'm like, why are you talking about America and
the Congo bitch who again to give a buck? Like what?
But it's nonsense. Also, then none of that made anything.
It doesn't make sense. And then in a biography listed

(36:31):
in the Suspects now defunct nonprofit website, so he had
a non profit at one point, he says he spent
time in Jerusalem, Gaza and the West Bank, where he
sought out quote militant Islamists in order to share the
gospel and tell them that violence wasn't the answer. Violence
is not the answer. No, tell that to him. He

(36:51):
just killed someone. Yeah, he is out there, and he
had a list of seventy mostly democratic government officials, including
his walls, a Christian man, and he was so against
abortion and most of the people on his list were
pro abortion or pro choice. Sorry, I forgot people don't

(37:12):
like probortion pro choice. So this man and his beliefs,
these beliefs that seem that are extremists. They are the
embodiment of Christian nationalism, which is a growing movement and
it's taking over the government. They are the ones who

(37:35):
propped up Trump in the first place. They are the
writers of Project twenty twenty five, and they are the
arbiters of ruining our lives. Yeah, and we must fight
them anyway. And that's what inspired this whole episode I
see now. So yeah, I mean if you didn't know
before about Christian nationalism and that it's the downfall of

(37:56):
the United States, now you know whether. Yeah, and again
this is not your regular you know Christian out there
who goes to church and minds their business. These are
the people that want to push we've already said it,
and they basically they want Christianity to be the government
and to roll over everybody, even those who are not Christians,

(38:20):
because it's their way or the highway according to them. Right,
And if you want to learn more about this, I
guess we could get into some recommendations now. Okay, well
let's start with our fave Jesus and John Wayne Jans. Yeah,
that book is amazing. I don't think we need to
talk about it too much because we have talked about

(38:42):
it already a bit. Yeah, but that is a great
book to learn more about this movement. And one of
the sources I used is also uh good, let me,
I forgot the name already. Is that The Straight White Jesus? Oh,
there you go, that's the one. Yeah. Podcast Fundy Fridays
on YouTube? Yes, in Bed with the Right, Yes, the

(39:05):
New Evangelicals. I watched them on YouTube, but they're basically
a podcast. Also, I'm sure they're on all this podcast
treating things. But I like to watch her on YouTube
because those show clips and stuff. Right. Some more books
A Well Trained Wife by Tia Lovings and I talked
about this last time, didn't I Because that's the one

(39:27):
I read was that one was that one was so good.
And in her book she mentions more towards the end
of once she gets to like her life now that
she has left this cult. Basically, she talked about like
at first she didn't want to speak up against Trump,
but she realized, like they're the people who are propping
up Trump and you know, Christian nationalism. She's like, they're

(39:49):
trying to make my life and what I went through
normal and the norm for everybody. And man, did she
go through it? She really did. But in this world
view of Christian nationalism, like patriarchy is the norm, but
like an extreme patriarchy, not even like your normal everyday patriarchy. No,

(40:10):
like an oppressive, abusive I must submit. And for the
extremists within this extremist movement, even a husband is allowed
to discipline his wife. She experiences that. She goes through that.
So I mean that's what we're looking at. Yeah, that's
what they want. Yeah, the kingdom, the power, and the glory.

(40:33):
American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism by Tim Alberta.
That's another good one. The House of My Mother by
Shay Frankie. She doesn't outright talk about Christian nationalism, but
it's another aspect of it. Yeah, because this movement has
also ties with that, like beat your children, not to
discipline them, but not even like a normal spinking like

(40:55):
literally beating them, right, abusing them and torturing them in
order to cast their demons and like and a lot
of they're they're pushing to get like Catholics and Mormons
and other religions, other Christian religions under this movement as well.
It's not like just Christian nationalism, right right, And so yeah,

(41:16):
that's why I think I would add that book in
there and Sherry, but she talks about Yeah, this it's
the same principles of believing that children are yours to
beat up basically to control. It's the same beliefs, and yeah,
it's not it's not just women that they are exerting

(41:37):
this extreme control over its children as well, and it
breeds a system of abuse, child abuse, sexual abuse. Yeah,
I think those are the most recent ones I'm in.
I think so, Yeah, I guess that brings us to
the end. Unless there's something else you want to add. No,
I don't think so, because you know, I've been sharing

(41:58):
my thoughts throughout. I did want to add we have
yapped about it a ton, and we've mentioned in previous
episodes about our wish that ice and not exist and
you know border patrol and like no borders, and right,
I think that's clear. I don't know it's very clear,

(42:18):
but I think we can repeat it. And yeah, no,
I specifically wanted to mention it again in light of
the recent developments right all of the US, but mostly
to say, like, I know, not everyone can go out
in protests, and if you cannot do that, there's other
ways to help, either by being in community, so like
looking for mutual aid. We're sharing always to our stories

(42:41):
a bunch of different ones, or you know, printing out
those know your Right cards and passing them out if
you have like a business, if you're a business owner,
you can put a little poster up there that says
like everyone's welcome xp ICE. And there's also there's a
bunch of organizations that help for immigrant rights, like you know,
we've mentioned one that we have donated to Alo Tornado.

(43:03):
That's a good one, but there's a bunch, there's a bunch,
and so sharing if all of these things are not helping,
the most important thing to me is not even like
protesting or especially especially not like I understand people are angry,
but like calling out influence. First, I don't know who
these influencers are that are always like, what about these
Latino influencers. I'm sorry, I don't know any Latino influencerss.

(43:25):
But I keep coming across videos of people like and
all the Latino influencers that are silent, and it's like, yeah,
that's not right either this point. If there's silent, there
going to be silent. I think that if you have
people in your life that are espousing these beliefs as well,
are anti immigrant or only the quote correct way, talk
to them. You know, that's where talk to your parents,

(43:47):
talk to your friends, to your family, because that's where
you have the influence. Yeah. Like, like we've shared many times,
you know, especially during BLM, like our mom would be like, well,
they don't have to destroy things, and then we'd be
like what they do? I'd be like ah, but like
you know, you know your family, you know how you
can reach them. Like for us, it's never been getting
into arguing matches as much as like some family members

(44:10):
who want to start arguing matches. You're only explaining, you know, facts,
right or something within those or an open dialogue and
being like, hey, like we can't talk about this, but
if you're going to be like, you know, crazy, then
I'm not going to talk about it with you, Like
things like that, Like these conversations can be had and
should be had. And again, you're not going to exert,
you know, influence over these influencers that don't give a fuck.

(44:32):
If they haven't done anything at this point, they're not
going to say anything. They don't care. Look to your community,
your people, and you know what, support those who have
always spoken out about this. So share this episode. Some
of us here speaking now, some of us have always
said these things. How about you share our episode. And
it's not just kidding. At the end of the day,

(44:55):
what are these call outs doing besides getting you attention, right,
and that's not talk about the issues? Like who cares
about these people? Ignore them? They the more attention they get,
even if it's a boat attention, people clicking on their videos, whatever,
they're going to get more views, more money. Like, just
ignore them and talk about the issues yourself, bring awareness

(45:18):
yourself instead of bringing awareness to these people that aren't
speaking up about it and prop up those people that
are speaking up about it. Yeah, and also in these
times and always. But it's so important to know your history.
And I'm not saying that to get you to share
our episode again, but like the five episodes series we
just did. Yeah, Like if we all knew that, maybe

(45:38):
maybe our cousins, not cousins like I'm just in general,
our collective cousins, Maybe our collective cousins will stop joining
ICE and we're stop joining border patrol. And I, as
a veteran, include the military with that, right, So maybe
we can stop joining those things. And I understand there's
a lot of things that go into that decition. Like
for me, as much as I don't like the military,

(45:59):
I would do it again so my mom would get
a green card. And it's like, well, why why do
we have to join so that our parents get It's
all on purpose, right, But that's not the point. The
point is talk to them about our history. Teach your
kids our history, and don't waste your time with these
random callouts. Instead, talk to your your community, your circle.
That's if you have someone with that Like, maybe unintentionally

(46:23):
or intentionally is propagating these and we all do, I
know we all do. No we all do we No
one is in a perfect little numble, you know what
I mean? Yeah, so, yeah, I just wanted to say that. Yeah,
and there have been I know, we haven't done a
booklet update or what is it a booklet bullshit segment? Yeah,
in a while, there have been developments. I haven't had

(46:44):
time to write one up because yeah, again, there have
been developments, and there's so much point on. Yeah, yeah
they're not good though, these developments. They never are, so no, no,
but yeah, other than that, thanks Carton and for sharing
that piece of history of Mexico that I didn't know,
but tying it into today because I love when that

(47:05):
is a thing as depression at as it is, it
is helpful. Yeah, and yeah, other than that, we hope
that this was one less Historia Unknown for you. Bye bye.
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