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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hi, This is Christina and this is Estoria's Unknown, a
podcast where and this is Estoria's Unknown, a podcast where
we talk about Latin American history. Sometimes it's horrible and
deals with heavy topics like racism, corruption, and genocide, but
more than that, it's also about resistance, power and community.
And today, as you may have noticed, we don't have

(00:32):
our regular episode out. Carmen is working very hard on
Part four of the History of Border Patrol, but it's
very hard to work full time, read a bunch of books,
and write up these notes. Next week though for sure
we will have Part four up. There may even be
a Part five of this series of ours in the meantime. Though,

(00:54):
here's a little snippet of what we do over on
Patreon if you sign up to get a weekly episode
like this one, where we just go over what is happening,
mostly in the US, but sometimes all over the world,
and sometimes just a silly internet discourse, although lately it's
been heavier topics. This week we covered the escalating violence

(01:15):
of ice in Chicago. We talked a little bit about
the Portland Frog, something about Trompass saying he's not getting
into heaven. Things like that, and if you like what
you enjoy, feel free to head over to our Patreon.
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(01:38):
we've been donating to Clean car Wash Workers Center, and
organization that has been helping car wash workers who were
unable to leave their homes due to the increasing ice
rates in La County. As you know, ever since these
mass deportations began, the car washers in La County have
been targeted heavily and many are afraid to leave their homes.

(01:59):
And what Clean does is provide groceries to those that
cannot work because of what Ice is doing in the area.
You can also follow at car Washers that's car washer XS.
That's how it's spelled over on Instagram. But that's what
our donations have been going to lately. And otherwise, enjoy
this snippet of our bonus episode on Patreon, and again,

(02:24):
we'll be back next week with our normal episode.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Okay, and then in other news, oh about ice pointing
a weapon. It's like we knew, I think we knew
this was going to happen, but still the pictures are alarming,
and it's not new new, it's new at this scale. Yeah,
but they've done things like this before, but again not
at this level. But I'm talking about this picture and

(02:50):
I'll describe it for those that are Yeah, so we'll
put the picture up here. But this picture that we
are showing right now is from an article from the
Chicago Sun Times and a Border Patrol agent so the
patch says SRT and went. They keep putting shit on
their uniforms and I'm like, what are these what is that?

(03:12):
It's like a task force? What are these letters? Okay?
And I did look that up. I read that. Yeah,
oh okay. This looks like a young man, possibly a teen,
I'm not sure, but young adult, young adult, Yeah, young adult.
He has his hands up. They're pointing their giant fucking
weapon at him. Uh. There's another like young looking kid

(03:35):
behind them, who I'm wondering, what's going on there? This
kid in white usum, he's like yeah, in between them,
and yeah, there's just a bunch of them surrounding this
kid who clearly has nothingness in his hands. And I
did have the link. I have the link for the newspaper.

(03:56):
Where did it go there we go. So this happened
this Tuesday morning, Yeah, yesterday morning. So fans ram suv
after chase down residential street in Chicago and then they
tear gas a crowd. So the crash happened late Tuesday
morning near one hundred and fifth Street and Avenue North

(04:19):
in the East Side neighborhood. Two men being pursued were arrested,
and so were two bystanders. When the crash happened, dozens
of neighbors came out in protest, and so they tried
to lie about this crash. They caused the crash. They
lie about everything, just like the other women that they
shot into her car, and they lied that she pointed

(04:40):
a gun at them. She had a gun because she
was a gun owner, but she never pointed at them, No,
she never. It was still in its place. And then
since the inception of border patrol, like they've been doing
this just like no, yeah, as you would know if

(05:01):
you've listened to our yeah three parts that you've done
on this already, or if you've read you know, the
books that you use as your sources. But yeah, this
is again we're seeing it at a large scale. But
this is who they are. They are not suddenly bad.
They're not suddenly what's it called there, It's not because

(05:22):
they're suddenly. This is who they have been. Use their inception, right.
They were created with racism and violence in mind, because
these were Texas white men who worked as Texas rangers,
most of them beforehand. And even if they didn't, they
grew up in this environment where it was normal to

(05:43):
throw rocks at Mexican kids, to beat up Mexicans. And
so this racism, this otherness, this dehumanization is embedded in
them since the beginning, and they passed on this tradition
of violence over the years, and they have never had
what's the word oversight. They've never been held accountable. They

(06:06):
have been allowed to be this way with impunity. And
that is why things are the way that they are now. Yeah,
as in the scene, but worse, the worse, Yeah, because
this type of thing, it only gets worse until it's unchopped. Power, Yeah,
just grows and grows. Right. Yeah, But more about this incident.

(06:27):
I'm just gonna read this article really quick. So, federal
agents chased a car through residential Yes, federal agents chased
a car through a residential neighborhood on the southeast side
of Chicago Tuesday morning. It was around eleven am. And
then they intentionally crashed into the car and a risky
maneuver restricted by police some police departments nationwide, they don't.

(06:51):
They are like, police departments are not allowed to do this,
but Bord Patrol is do.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
We din't.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well, the police wishes they could do what Bor Patrol's doing,
you know, exactly exactly. Local security cameras caught this maneuver,
which showed the car being hit by the Federal the
Fed's vehicle, leading the occupants of the car to fall
out while it was moving, so they ramed into it
to tip it over. The occupants then fled on foot

(07:16):
as agents ran behind. The commotion attracted and of course
they in their report said they were responding to a
crash and they were not. They caused the crowd. They yeah,
they were the crash. They were right. So this commotion
caused a crowd of neighborhood onlookers to come and they
began to protest, and immediately they were met with smoke grenades,

(07:40):
they were shot with pepper balls, and they were shot
with at least three rounds of tear gas. Four protesters
were detained and they hit a teenage girl in the
head with a tear gas canister. Not clear if that

(08:02):
was intentional or if that just happened when they fired
off the canister. And yeah, this is just the latest
incident of violent violent tactics that they have been utilizing
and speaking of violence against uh uh huh children on
the hands of Ice and Border Patrol. Have you heard
that there's a thirteen year old being entertained in ICE

(08:24):
detention center for like a few days. I saw that
there was an autistic like middle schooler that had been
taken by Ice. This the same one. I'm not sure
I remember reading that he had autism. I'm looking at up. Okay,
Chicago police tried to control the situation of protesters versus

(08:47):
Border patrol basically, and they were also tear guest. Oh yeah,
the two we saw in the picture, it was a
fifteen year old and a nineteen year old. Okay, that's
what I thought. They look so young. So I just
looked up and this is from CNN. But yeah, this
was in Boston and the mom said her thirteen year

(09:11):
old son had been arrested. Oh no, sorry, not Boston ever,
in Massachusetts, which is a suburb suburb of Boston. But
she said that the police station called her and said
that her son had been arrested and that she could
come pick him up. But then she got there and
waited over an hour, and then a police officer informed

(09:32):
her that I came to take him away. And I'm like,
how are they allowed to take children away without notifying
their parents even interview them. You can't interview a child
about their legal status. They're just doing things like it
didn't matter anymore what's what's allowed and not allowed. And
so they're from Brazil, this family, and they have been
pending an asylum application since twenty twenty one. See, and

(09:55):
when these things are pending, you're supposed to just be
here until your case moves forward, either denied or approved.
You just say, like, you can't be any action being
taken against you. Yeah, yeah, you can't be degrationion wise, right,
But they're just that's taking any laws at all speaking
of though. So the fifteen year old and nineteen year

(10:17):
olds are in the picture. They were slammed to the ground, handcuffed.
One of them was like saying, my neck, my neck,
because they just kept like pushing on. Was this were
these o their necks.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Boys.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yes, okay, they just did another girl that they also
stepped on her neck and they're like doing that. They
you know who taught them that? The ideaf. Yeah, that's
where they get their training and they learned this tactic.
But the fifteen year old, his mom rushed out from
the house to figure out what happened, and they had

(10:51):
already taken both of them. She said, quote they took
my son. He was violated. They slammed him to the ground.
I just want my baby back. And it turns out
that they had been in custody several hours and were
released without six year old is Hispanic and African American,
and he was held in the garage for five hours

(11:11):
without being able to inform his family. No charges were stated,
No one allowed him to call an attorney. He is
a US citizen. As this is an entire immediate family. Wow,
And this is the thing they don't they don't care.
And also the thing is too like they're the border
Patrol and ICE, which were in the same essentially and

(11:34):
like as a country, obviously people have always opposed Borbatral
and ICE and unjust immigration policies, but as a nation,
we have allowed the bor Patrol and ice to mystery, abuse, rape, harm,
kill migrants, and when it's not directly, we have a

(11:54):
lot of them to create such I don't know, blockades
if you want to call it that at the border
that migrants have been forced to go further and further out,
like in in their routes into the country where they die.
They die in the desert, they die in the water,
they die of dehydration. And we have allowed them to
treat immigrants this way and now it's it's extended citizens. Yeah,

(12:21):
because we allowed other people what happened, we saw that
were better than and more value, are more value than
to be treated like this. And then now like this
is why it doesn't it doesn't like like it's not
worthing would they treat how would they treat their most
vulnerable n I hate that word vulnerable. So, uh, migrant communities,

(12:42):
working class prisoners, black people, yes, like and yeah, it's
exactly like you're saying, like this has been going on
for decades on a specific group and now that's being
extended and and right now it's still just being extended
towards people that look like me and you. Yeah, but
soon enough that it's going to change. Well, they already

(13:07):
attacked a black community, which we didn't. I don't think
we talked to them, or we talked about it briefly.
And of course there are also black migrants, right, yes,
and black Latinos, but as a whole. Right people think
of immigrants as Latinos and they don't think of black
people as Latinos, but we know that's not true. But

(13:27):
they basically they came down from helicopters and I don't
know what the word is, repelled into apartment building that
is mostly of black people live in and it was
in the middle of a night. They broke in through windows.
They uh forced the people out of their apartments. They

(13:50):
zip tied everybody, including children. They didn't allow children to
dress up, and weather perfect closed. It was freezing that night.
Well I don't know if like literally freezing, but it
was cold. They were naked. They took them out there
like naked, is what I've heard. This happened in October third,
I want to say, And last week I think I
saw that there's still some missing children from this, from

(14:10):
that raid or whatever you know they're calling it. Yeah,
adults and children alike were pulled from their Chicago apartments,
crying and screaming during a large overnight raid that has
left tenants and neighbor neighbors shaken. Someone that lives there.
This is from CNN said quote, I've been on military
basis for a good portion of my life, and the

(14:31):
activity I saw it was an invasion essentially. Yeah, and
you know who also sat the idef to Palestinian homes
because they just steal homes from Palestinians. But I saw
an interview of an older black gentleman who talked about this.

(14:53):
I actually don't know if it was there or it
was another It might have been there, but he so
he was talking about he was going he earlier that day,
he had gone down to like the public assistant office,
and so he had his bag already, like cause you know,
you need to take usually your birth certificate or whatever
social you know, to go apply for these things. So

(15:13):
he had everything in his bag already, right, and they
didn't let he was saying, I'm a citizen, I'm a
sitting and they didn't let him, yeah, any of his stuff.
They didn't let him prove your citizenship. And thus the
people don't realize you think you're safe because you're a citizen,
But how do you prove you're a citizen? And this
is the thing they're saying, like the authorities are saying, Oh, well,
it's not a big deal if you're detained for a
few hours, but it's traumatic. The Supreme Court said that

(15:35):
that's a pre Yeah, right, the Supreme Court said that,
but it's a traumatic experience. Like these people were almost
all of them were you are citizens? Again, it was
a like majorly black apartment complex and yeah, it's still
like it does matter if you're detained for hours on
end without knowing what's going to happen, but not to

(15:58):
the Supreme Court. And I laughed because I'm crying inside
hung again. Yeah, but this apartment complex was supposedly targeted
because it was a known Tragua hangout spot. But like
only some of the detainees they got from this little
operation of theirs. Some of them were Venezuelan, but others
were and that doesn't equate to being a Trendragua member, no,

(16:22):
But there was also people from Mexico, Nigeria and Colombia
of course, so they detained and I don't know where
they send them, but thirty seven undocumented people from this raid.
But again, the whole apartment complex was in zip ties
for hours. Kids were crying, people were screaming. There was

(16:45):
a story I saw from this incident of a man
whose neighbor and her daughter. Whose neighbor and her daughter
knocked on his door and asked if he would hide them,
and he hit them for three days in his in
his room, and I like, I don't know what the fuck, Like,

(17:12):
what the fuck is this? You know? Yeah, it's truly infuriating, No,
it is, to say the least. Also really quick, I
want to go back to the thirteen year old boy
that was detained by ICE after being arrested. So I
guess he was rested after an incident at school where

(17:33):
he threatened another boy and he had a knife, and
Ice is saying that he also had a gun, and
the school is like, no, he didn't have a gun.
They just make shit up and they're like, this is
a violent no, blah blah blah, this is a thirteen
year old boy, Like, shut up, shut the fuck up.
That's crazy, that's crazy. I just I'm I'm tired. And

(18:00):
the police came out and said there was no gun too.
Oh my god, like they're just like they're literally lying.
Some portion of the population of this fucking country is
eating every word like fucking I don't know, because they
get horny off of see violence. No, I truly believe
saying them every time you say it, it doesn't get

(18:21):
any I'm not used to it. They fiend to see
violence against uh, people of color, against women, against anyone
who is not like them. They are like fiend for
this shit. Uh, they are horny for it, like they're
discussing people. Yeah, and that's why too. This administration is

(18:43):
so like uh so on social media with their AI
slab within their lines because they're feeding into this group
of people. They're horny fans. Yep, it's exhausting. Did you
want to talk about the Portland Frog? In Portland, the
situation has not there has been violence. We talked about

(19:06):
in the last episode a little bit about the Portland situation,
But I guess if we didn't talk about the other
thing going on in Portland is that people are wearing
inflatable costumes. Yeah, that has been Some people have been like,
oh my god, this is so dumb. Yeah. Other people
are like whatever, Like okay, so I'm in the well

(19:30):
What is your opinion of the frog suit. I mean
I don't. I don't think I have like a strong
like opinion about it. Yeah, I think he's out there protesting.
They're out there protesting. I don't see because the frog
has multiplied, there's a more frogs, and there's also others.

(19:50):
I've seen other animals. Yeah, animals. There's a whole farm
out there. It's it's silly. Yeah, but Portland is weird
and silly, and they're not getting the weird. They don't
want to be the weirdest right there. They've embraced the
weird allegations. Yeah, but we're like cool now, we're like
fucking weirdos, you know. No, no, no, And I don't. I
haven't seen any of these people be like, oh everyone

(20:12):
should be doing this, everyone should be protesting now violently
in this manner like, so I know that's what people
are saying, like, oh, like this is stupid, this is
gonna get you killed, this and that. Yeah, I'm in
the camp of like I personally would not do it
because it seems so dangerous because how are you gonna
run away in that? Yeah, That's where I'm at, Like
I wouldn't do it. But I'm not going to be
like out here like, oh, this is the dumbest shit

(20:33):
you could be doing. Yeah. But the other the optics
that it's creating, I kind of am here for, like,
get the optics of like these big fat Like when
that dumb bitch Christina went over there to her little
her little propaganda video with some right wing streamer or
something influence. Yeah who was following which streamers? Yeah, following

(20:56):
her around and they're doing these little propaganda videos together,
and she's like, this is dangerous place. Look at this,
Look at this down here, look at this wuar zone.
And then there's like someone in a host and a
fucking suit, like in a fucking animal suit down there,
like humping the air. And it's like yeah, so that
the optics that that it's creating is ideal. Yeah, it's
a good thing, I think, because it's like, Okay, how

(21:16):
do you look as this, How does the square in
this yeah, in this camo uniform, all these guns pointing
at frogs? Yeah, like what does that look like? It
looks bad? So I think that part of it. Honestly,
I hope that they can stay safe because again, they
put pepper spray into they like literally he was just

(21:39):
standing there and one officer his little breathing hole or
whatever they're called that. I'm not sure what it called.
It's a little fan hole, like it wouldn't spray to that. Yeah,
And then later he was recorded and then they were like,
how did that feel? He was like, yeah, a cop
or they did that. But you know what, it doesn't
matter because I'm Mexican and I like spicy things. Is
what the frogs? Yeah, the og frog is my I

(22:00):
didn't expect the ogi frog honestly to be a Mexican
and I'm kind of glady. It was a little white
people antics. Yeah, it's giving white, but I guess that's
what Parla and Mexicans are like. Yeah, everyone's a little
bit white, I think in some way. But yeah, so
I don't know. Power to the frogs and the other
farm animals that are joining the cause. We'll see how

(22:24):
that goes. I haven't seen any other like terrible updates
about like escalating violence and Parland know me there, so well,
we'll see. I did see someone be like, oh Portland
has the inflatable costumes, so Seattle bring the furries, and
I'm like, those cosmes are very expensive fury freeze. Yeah,
the furry costumes, I I don't know about that. I

(22:48):
would not. I don't know who would want to risk
their expensive ass costume to go out there and be
attacked and pepper spe like maybe someone will, but I
don't know. It's the inflatable costumes are cheaper. M So wow.
I do advise against the furries to do it, not
because I'm against furries. I don't get it, but they

(23:10):
like it whatever. Yeah, but I'm worried about the expense there, right,
I think that makes sense because yeah, it's not like
a twenty thirty dollars. I don't know how much the
inflatable consoms are either, because I've never some of them
are like thirty to fifty bucks. That's still kind of
a lot to be worrying about. No, it is, it is.
I'm a fan. No, not the frog and the animals. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(23:33):
I don't know. There's just so much violence going on too,
like that pastor priest that was shot in the head
and then they that was in the head with like
a bullet. Yeah, but and still obviously that's painful and dangerous. Still,
but yeah, there's there's just too much Going on Yeah
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