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June 17, 2025 79 mins

Riots, rebellions and U.S. armed forces. Civilian supremacy over the military remains inviolate in our history and constitution. But what happens when a civilian Commander in Chief legally deploys the U.S. military or federalized National Guard on American soil?

This story is as old as our democracy. One could even argue that the use of militia to crush rebellion in America was a major contributing factor in the founding of the United States.

In this interview, we discuss the history and evolution of the civil-military relations in the United States and draw comparisons to and lessons from other countries.


🚩About My 177th Guest Scholar:

My guest is Dr. Lindsay P. Cohn, a professor in the Department of National Security Affairs of the U.S. Naval War College. All views she expresses in this interview are her own and do not represent the views of the U.S. Naval War College or the U.S. Government.

Dr. Cohn is a scholar of civil-military relations and has been frequently invited to speak about this important subject not only in the United States, but also in Europe. She has testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee, the Commission on Military, National, and Public Service, and the Courts of Justice and Public Safety Committees of the Virginia General Assembly, and submitted written testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

She splits her time between academic and policy work. For example, from 2013 to 2014 she was an Advisor to the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and Combating Terrorism.

Her forthcoming book is titled On Order, Authority, and Modern Civil-Military Relations - which we discuss in this interview.

She has received the Commander’s Award for Public Service from the Department of the Army, for her work with ROTC cadets preparing to deploy to Afghanistan, the Award for Outstanding Achievement from the Office of the Secretary of Defense, for her work on Building Partner Capacity programs, and the Meritorious Civilian Service Award from the Department of the Navy for her work at the Naval War College.


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