February 11, 2025 • 52 mins
What happens when napping becomes an Olympic sport, and BeatBox beverages take center stage? Tune in to our latest episode where Kate and I explore the art of napping, with a humorous twist that might just inspire you to perfect your snooze. As we sip on the spirited flavors of BeatBox, our candid reactions promise plenty of laughs and maybe even a new favorite drink. Plus, fuzzy memories of our Hawaiian adventure weave through our chat, adding a personal touch to our playful banter.
Ever considered a career change from the sea to the sky? Fred Noonan did just that, and his journey is nothing short of remarkable. From dodging German U-boats to charting new courses across the Pacific with Pan Am, Fred's adventurous spirit shines through. We recount his story, filled with maritime exploits and aviation milestones, highlighting his indelible mark on history. His transition from a ship's deck to the cockpit serves as a testament to relentless pursuit and daring ambition.
As history buffs well know, no tale is complete without a bit of mystery. The final chapter of our episode delves into the unsolved disappearance of Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan. We explore the myriad theories that have puzzled historians for decades, from crash-landings on remote islands to intriguing espionage tales. Recent discoveries, tantalizing evidence, and enduring speculation all make for a riveting discussion. Join us as we unravel these mysteries and invite you to stay curious with the History Buffoons Podcast, where the buffoonery never stops.
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Oh, hey there.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
What the hell?
Oh, hey, there, question mark.
I'm Kate and I'm Confused.
Bradley.
What was that Excit, thatexcitement?
That is the weirdest excitementI've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
But carry on I haven't had my nap yet today, so
I'm trying to force excitementthat's exactly what we want for
our podcast who to who what?
Should we start over?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
No, I think we should keep going, because this is
fucking Comedy, gold, podcast,gold right here.
This is going to get us to thetop of the charts.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Bradley likes to make fun of my napping skills.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I don't like to make fun of it.
Well, maybe that's not exactlyaccurate either, but she can nap
with the best of them yeah likeif there was a napping in the
olympics, kate would probablywin at least silver, if not gold
, every fucking time.
And the only reason why I saysilver sometimes is because
sometimes she just lays down anddoesn't sleep yes, that does
happen most of the time holyballs nap for days like oh, you
(01:23):
literally nap for like.
Your naps are like longer thansome people like sleep.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
So well, I haven't had one yet.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
No, today no, well, that's unfortunate for you.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I apologize for your your lack of sleep in the middle
of the day why don't youintroduce us to what we've got
in front of us here, all rightin the container?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
yeah, well, they're.
Yeah, they're different.
You've seen coconut waterbefore right yes the same
container.
So if people have known thatit's like the same packaging, so
I've I've known about these fora while.
Um, I've never had one myself,but uh, they're called beatbox
and they're 11.1 percent.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
This is what you picked for us.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Do we want to go to the other ones?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Nope, I am excited.
I am excited, Holy balls Batman.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So it's what do they kind of consider?
It's like it says containsalcohol.
World's tastiest party punch,best served chilled, must be 21
plus.
Yes, but for what I understandis it's not like wine, it's I
don't know, it's almost like apre-made cocktail, basically is
what it is, so it's made out ofa plastic like almost like a
(02:43):
milk carton.
Yeah, like the coconut water.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
We have to like lift up the corner flaps.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Uh huh, you don't have to do that.
You don't have to do that itactually has like a.
Screw top yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Um, but it's.
It's a plastic box essentially,yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
It's uh, it's different packaging.
Yeah, how many?
It's 16.9.
So 11.1% at 16.9.
I think we're going to feel alittle something after this.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
So it says that it was packaged in Acompo
California.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Oh, is that where it's?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
from yeah, and I have the fruit punch beat box.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Okay, did you read the servings per container?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
No 3.38?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
What there's over three servings per container.
No 3.38 what there's there'sover three servings per
container oh, so are we takingshots of this, uh?
No, we're just gonna, we'regonna sip on it.
So why don't we open it upbefore we change our minds?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
oh my gosh, okay I feel like I don't know how I
feel about this all of a sudden,okay, screw top Cheers.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Cheers.
I'm going to say that'sdifferent.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Mine tastes like fruit punch.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Mine tastes like alcohol.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Okay, I mean, mine tastes like alcohol, but with
fruit punch.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
But how many beers have I said?
Well, I wouldn't even noticethat was 9%.
I noticed, this is 11.1%.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Oh, you might want to try mine then.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, Is it better.
I like it.
I'm not saying it's bad, it'sit's.
Oh, I didn't.
Mine is pink lemonade.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
That's what I cause.
You said your flavor, I forgotto say mine.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
No, it's not my go-to type beverage.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Like I like cocktails , this to me isn't a cocktail it
didn't say that we had to shakeit or anything I don't think so
.
I don't believe so, but but I'mI'm confused why mine tastes
better than yours well, maybeit's just more up your alley
than mine.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I guess that could also be it as well do you want
to try mine?
I I guess that could also be itas well.
Do you want to try mine?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I mean we could, should we like football it
across the room?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
No, because that's going to cause an extremely bad
mess and let's not do that.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Okay, I'll get my lazy Susan out and put it down.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
No, okay, maybe we'll do this later.
Yeah, how about?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
we sample each other's.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Later you can pour some out in a glass of your.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
A shot glass.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, and I'll do the same for you, and then we can
try it.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Okay, so once before you had said that you have been
to Hawaii, yes, once in my life.
Do you remember your flight toHawaii?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I remember we were delayed on our way back.
That's all I honestly rememberabout the flights.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Really, that's all you remember.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, I don't recall the flight out there.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's because it's been what 28 years?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
So I've had a lot of beers between then, Mm-hmm.
So no, I honestly don'tremember.
I want to say I think we had tofly into California and then we
flew there.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I don't think we had to have like a direct from out
this way to there.
I think that would be way toolong if there was a direct
flight from the center of thecountry to Hawaii.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I think that's what we did, but no, I honestly
really don't remember the flightat all.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
When I flew to Italy, we had a stop in I think it was
Newark.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, you had said that.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, and I too.
I don't really remember it.
I remember the dread because Icannot stand flights over two
hours, like I get claustrophobicfeeling and like I have to get
up and stretch.
And there's so many people inthe way, it's really
overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I can understand that a hundred percent.
Yeah, so uh, when I'm lookingat flights for random things, or
you know, even just likelooking around stupidly for like
, just for whatever, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I'm like, oh, that's too long, I'd rather drive.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Where can I go within two hours?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, pretty much, pretty much.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I do remember my flight to Germany.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Cause we flew out of O'Hare to Amsterdam.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I do remember that flight.
I remember the flight back evenmore so because we went there
in 08 and this is before.
Movies were like out the nextday, even though they were in a
theater yesterday.
Yeah, timeframe, yeah.
And I remember being able towatch, because it wasn't even
out on DVD or Blu-ray at thetime we got to watch, because it
wasn't even out on dvd orblu-ray at the time we got to
watch iron man on our way back.
Yeah, because it was like justbeing about to be released, kind
(07:09):
of thing, and a lot of movie,uh, uh, what's the word I'm
looking for?
Uh, studios, there's thefucking word.
Um had deals with likeairplanes and stuff yeah, they
would put the the movies ontheir flight.
So I got to watch iron man onthe way back.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
That's exactly how I found out about Harry Potter.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Oh really.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I don't remember if it was to or from Italy.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
But that's when you first watched it.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I watched the very first Harry Potter, and then I
started reading the books afterthat.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That's funny.
Yeah, I just saw it in a movietheater in Brookfield.
Yeah, not on a plane, well.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Well, we're talking about some flights today, but
we're going to talk specificallyabout Fred Noonan.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Fred Noonan.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Do you know who he is ?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So he is of Irish heritage.
He was born in Cook County,Illinois, so Chicago thereabouts
.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Did you notice that a lot of your stories involve
Illinois?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
It's not planned.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I'll tell you that I hope not, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So he was born on April 4th 1893.
Okay, okay.
And he was born to Joseph uhNoonan.
And he was born in Maine.
And then his wife, CatherineEgan, was born in London.
Oh, wow, okay, um, and he lost.
Fred lost his mother when hewas just four years old.
Oh, that's too bad.
(08:25):
Fred left school in the summerof 1905 and went to Seattle
Washington where he started amaritime career.
Oh, really yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I'm sorry.
Did I mention flights?
I meant boats.
I'm kidding, they're both inhere.
Wow, wait, which one's in theair and which?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
one's on the sea.
I'm gonna take another shot ofthis.
Oh my god, I guess I will tooyeah, let's, let's see what the
second taste is like I will giveit a little shake this time,
just because why not?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
that's what I do, yeah my the back end is a little
alcoholy but but the front endis very much fruit punch.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I really don't taste pink lemonade Bummer yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
That's too bad, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
We'll fix that later.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So Fred served on a series of merchant ships and he
progressed through the ranks andhe accumulated a lot of
experience and certifications.
Okay, so at 17, Fred shippedout of Seattle as a seaman on a
British sailing ship called theCrompton and between 1910 and
1915, he worked on over a dozenships.
(09:35):
Wow, yeah.
So like he was like super, hewas all over the place.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
So he quickly climbed the ranks to become a
quartermaster.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Which is basically someone who assists the officer
on deck, and he was a navigatorand then he was promoted to a
bosun's mate, which did a lot ofship maintenance and training
and operations.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I've heard of that before.
Oh, have you.
Yeah, wonderful.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So during World War I , fred, lived in New York and
sailed on both American andBritish merchant ships.
He never actually joined theNavy, it was all.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Oh, it's all private.
Yeah, okay, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
So, um, he actually did still face quite a bit of
danger.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Well, I'd imagine.
So.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I wish there was more information on this, but I
really couldn't find it otherthan a statement.
But he on the merchant ships hewas actually carrying some
ammunition and he had threedifferent ships that he was on
sunk by the German U-boats.
Oh Jesus, yeah, and there's noinformation on it.
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
That's wild.
Yeah, you would think there'dbe something out there.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, but despite these close calls, uh, he kept
sailing and after the war hebecame a well-respected ship's
officer so in 1926 the usshipping board gave him a top
level license to captain anysize ship oh wow, yeah so he
always got like the highestmarks and his performance
(11:02):
reviews and he had a ton ofdedication to his work so he was
a very, very committed person.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
He was a hard worker.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, yeah, at 34 years old.
Fred got married to josephinesullivan in jackson, mississippi
in 1927, and he's all over theunited states too yeah, because
you said he was up in whatseattle?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
was it Seattle?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, then New York and now Mississippi, and they
settled down in New Orleansafter a honeymoon in Cuba.
Wow yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Honeymoon in Cuba, not something you can do today.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Not something you can do today.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So then Fred landed a job as a chief mate on a
Mississippi shipping companyship, ship and a chief mate is
basically second in command tothe captain oh, okay so after a
22 year career at sea, includingseven trips around cape horn
(11:58):
like of africa yeah, no, forsure yeah, um, and three of
those trips were on sailingships.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Wow, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Fred decided to try something completely new.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
So at 39, he's trying something new he took to the
air.
Wow yeah, so that's quitedifferent.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yes, so he learned to fly in the late 1920s and he
got his pilot's license in 1930.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Wow Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
So still being who he is the next year.
He still got a class masterlicense that says class master,
any ocean.
It's basically the highestqualification for a ship captain
.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Do they still do that today?
Stuff like that I would imaginein some degree right, I'm sure
many people are both on shipsand in airplanes.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I'm sure many people are both on ships and in
airplanes.
He's rubbing his eyes, notimpressed.
I don't know.
Podcast gold, so in the early1930s Fred joined Pan Am oh dear
.
He worked as a navigationinstructor in Miami and then
managed the airport inPort-au-Prince, haiti.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Port-au-Prince yeah.
He's all over the place hereally has gotten around the
world.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, so he eventually became an inspector
for all Pan Am airports as well.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Do you remember what year Pan Am closed?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
No, Do you?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, what is it 1991 .
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Oh, good job.
Yeah, fred used his seafaringnavigation skills to help
develop new techniques for PanAm flying flights across the
Pacific Okay.
Okay, sure.
So in March 1935, fred and hiswife moved to Oakland,
california.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Geez another new place.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
For the rest of the year.
He was a key player inpioneering commercial air travel
across the Pacific, serving asa navigator on survey flights,
so he would navigate before thecommercial passengers would, so
they could literally figure outwhere the hell they're going.
Yes, a flight plan, if you will, yes, correct.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
So he made history as a navigator on the first Pan Am
Sikorsky S42 Clipper in SanFrancisco Bay.
I know that's.
You know all about the Clippers.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Anyway, the LA Clippers, they're a basketball
team.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Are they?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Really, yes, awesome Los Angeles Clippers.
Do you know what a Clipper is?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
No, because you're going to tell me.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
A Clipper is basically the first commercial
air route across the PacificOcean.
Okay, so he navigated a roundtrip through a China Clipper
flight between San Francisco andHonolulu as well, um, so fred
continued to play a crucial rolein the clipper routes
(14:49):
throughout the the pacific ocean, and he started participating
in flights to midway island,guam, the philippines, hong kong
and, in 1936, um, he flew atleast like 21 times for pan am,
and they included very longdistance test flights and round
trip crossings to Manila, whichis the capital of the
(15:10):
Philippines.
So, in addition to modernnavigational instruments, fred
was also known for bringing aship's sextant on these flights.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So a sextant is a navigation instrument that
essentially measures the angulardistance between two objects,
and a lot of times it's usedlike, based on like where the
horizon is isn't it also usedwith stars?
It can be, yes so sometimelater that month he did resign
from pan m as he thought that hecouldn't really go up any
(15:44):
further in the ranks and heactually wanted to start a
navigation school anyway, ohokay.
So he was just like yeah, I'mgood, I'll just do my own thing
yeah, yeah that makes sense.
So 1937, big year for fred okay,big year.
He was already famous as a topnavigator.
He helped start commercialairline navigation.
He was a big deal.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Big deal, big deal in flight, right In flight.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
And he started his own navigation school Right
March 3rd of that year.
Also big news he filed fordivorce.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Oh, did he really.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, but then he fell for a woman named Mary
Beatrice Martellini.
She was another divorced womanwith no kids.
She owned a beauty salon inOakland, california.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
He didn't have any kids with the first wife, right,
correct, okay, I didn't thinkyou said anything about that.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, so that same year, fred was then hired by a
pilot who was planning a triparound the world.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Oh geez.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
The pilot bought a super advanced plane called the
Lockheed Electra 10E plane withmoney from Purdue University.
So for all those aviation nutsout there, maybe you know what a
Lockheed Electra 10E plane is.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I've heard of a Lockheed before, but I couldn't
tell you anything about it.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
It looks like a plane , you don't say.
I actually have a picture of it, right right here for you, yeah
it really does and it has likelanding gear landing yeah yeah,
so that's what it looks like andthis will be exactly so weird.
A little bit of uh visibilityin the windshield and yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Does it have windshield wipers?
I?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
don't know, do they?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Probably yeah, Most of them do Cool.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Anyway, that will be on our social media, jesus
Christ.
So that's the plane.
So they're going to go aroundthe world near the equator.
So airlines are already flyingall over the world at this point
, so not super new.
But Fred had just quit pan am,he was ready to do this just got
divorced yeah, so he was theexpert that they needed,
(17:53):
especially for the flight fromhawaii to howland island, and it
is a tiny island in the middleof the pacific ocean oh, okay
it's about halfway betweenaustral Hawaii.
It's technically, as of now it'san uninhabited, unorganized
territory of the US and it'sactually kind of a nature
preserve right now.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Oh really, yeah, so that's under our jurisdiction.
Yeah, I didn't realize thatOkay.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
So Fred's first appeared in the news as a member
of the crew on March 13th 1937,and their first attempt to take
off was delayed by bad weatheron March 16th of that year.
So, taking advantage of thedelay, fred, there we go.
It's the fruit punch.
I'm going to have a little bitmore, because I like mine.
(18:37):
It's tasty, it's tasty, it'sgetting better the more I drink
it.
Aka, you're carrying less.
Yes the more I drink it, aka,you're caring less.
Yes, so fred inspected theplane's navigation equipment and
discovered a problem oh, what'sthe problem?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
he was shocked to find that they only had a simple
ship sextant for navigating nowthat seems like a terrible idea
if you're going to try and goaround the fucking world yes,
because it is meant to find ahorizontal point yes, when
you're in the sky you don't knowwhere horizon is sometimes yeah
, exactly so he fixed this byborrowing a modern bubble octant
(19:18):
which is used in aviation, butit's honestly similar to a level
.
Yeah, correct, yeah, it balancesitself out.
Yes, even if you're turningit's still going to be yes level
yes within the bubble.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
So yeah, yeah, so, um , with the octane secured, um
they, they took off from burbank, california, on march 17th,
setting it a record flight tohawaii.
Now, on march 19th, fred sent atelegram to mary his, his new
fling yeah uh, leaving 1 30 amyour time.
The pilot has asked me to staywith with them until at least
(19:52):
darwin, australia, and maybeeven longer.
I love you, fred.
Okay, so they were going to gofrom honolulu to howland island,
to papua new guinea and thendarwin, australia, okay okay so
the next day, as the electra wastaking off for the next leg to
howland island, the wing hit theground.
Oh shit, yeah.
(20:12):
How did it do that?
I don't know oh I don't know,maybe it just I don't know,
maybe she got they got it like atwitch in the in the arm,
because sometimes I do that likeif I'm massaging someone's
glutes with my elbow, my wholearm twitches and I'm like sorry,
that was me, that was not yourglute releasing.
They're like okay, you're likeokay, Sometimes.
(20:33):
I have to preface that becausethey're like what was that?
I was like, that was just mespasming, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
All right Anyways.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
So the wing hit the ground, yep.
The pilot shut down one engineto keep the plane balanced, but
it spun around and the landinggear broke.
Nobody was hurt, that seemslike a terrible idea to have
happen, but because the planewas so damaged, they shipped the
plane back by sea to LA forrepairs.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Gotcha Okay, and this was still from Hawaii.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yes, okay, yes, yes so a week later, on march 27th,
fred and mary get married inyuma, arizona oh, did they take
the 310 to yuma?
Where do you think they'll gonext?
Maybe montana do?
You get that reference yeah,it's a movie, I think.
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
you think, it's two movies movies.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I've never seen it A remake.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, the remake's really good.
It's got Batman, christian Baleand Russell Crowe in it.
Oh nice, it's actually a reallygood movie.
Yeah, and it's a remake of anolder Western.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, oh, it's a Western.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I think they should go to Montana next, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
And then like British Columbia or something.
I mean it makes sense, becausehe's a pilot they get married
and they plan to settle inoakland, but but decided to
spend a little honeymoon inhollywood, since fred was kind
(22:00):
of waiting for these repairs toto finish right, yeah sure.
So after the electroplane wascertified airworthy on may 19th,
fred was present in burbank soit took him two months to fix
the plane.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, oh, wow.
Yeah, I mean that's prettysignificant damage.
Yeah, yeah, I mean I get thetimeframe we're talking about,
but I wouldn't have guessed twomonths.
Yeah, so okay.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So, uh, fred went to Burbank and the next day they
did like a sneak takeoff Um yeah, just to test it.
So they actually went toFlorida and then they flew back
to California, cause that'swhere they wanted to start for
their around the world trip isCalifornia.
So they went to Florida,everything's good, let's go back
.
I mean, that's quite a flight.
Yeah, I don't know what they'rethinking.
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From California to Florida, Imean why not go to California to
like Vegas or something, butwhatever, because that's not
that far, I guess.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I'm sure they just wanted to have a significant
amount of time in the air tomake sure everything's good.
So I get it, but I wouldn'thave guessed Florida.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
And he had to flex his navigation skills again.
He's been on the ground for twomonths.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah, he's got to get warmed up, basically, yeah,
exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
So more than a month later they embarked on a second.
So they waited another month.
They finally did their secondattempt at the world flight um
from Burbank, this time goingEast.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So they they said fuck this, we're going East,
bitches.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, so they just abandoned their original plan
flight plan and went to the East.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Okay, so where do they go from?
From California, so it's awhole big zigzag yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
And I'll put a um a map on our social media because
it does say, like where they allwent All right cool.
So I think I don't remember ifthey stopped they would have had
to stop again in the US, butthen they went to like England
or something.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I would imagine they probably stopped somewhere on
the East Coast and then acrossthe Atlantic right.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
So on May 30th the pilot announced that they had
initially planned to fly soloacross the Pacific, but now that
they had Fred with them, theywanted to keep Fred with them
for the whole trip.
So the pilot described their40-day eastward journey from
Burbank to New Guinea asleisurely, leisurely, yeah, like
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no problems.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Did they have a flight attendant serving
cocktails and shit?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
One's dinner.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
So Fred meticulously tracked their progress.
But Fred wasn't always stuck inlike the back of the of the
plane as navigator.
He actually went up to thecockpit and talked to the pilot
quite a bit and that pilot wasAmelia Earhart.
What Come on?
Boom, boom, boom.
I kept her name a secret thiswhole time, Except for I said
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she a couple times.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I guess I didn't pick up on that.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
she Uh-huh, because I switched it to they like really
fast.
But this is the flight thatAmeliaelia earhart and fred
noonan took around the world.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
But nobody knows about fred noonan no, because
she was a woman and that wasthat was more significant.
Yep, then this isn't obviouslythe one where she goes missing,
right it is.
It is that flight.
Yep, did he go missing too he?
Was with her the whole way sowe're gonna learn that here shit
.
Yeah, no, I I didn't know therewas anyone with him.
Yeah, I feel like we've beenlied to this yep entire time, 45
(25:22):
years been lied to by ameliaamelia earhart yeah, she had a
passenger, a navigator, thewhole time I didn't, okay,
continue, yeah, wow so he'd onlygo back to the rear of the
cabin when he needed space tolike work on his charts and
stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
How do you think?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
how difficult was it for him to like okay, we're here
on this map, Like I couldn'teven fathom doing that in 1937.
Right, Well, he had 22 years onthe I understand, but like
you're in the air and it's likecause, you've got to track speed
and all that so you canproperly.
Lots of math, lots of math,which I like math, but man, that
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had to be difficult.
Yeah, yeah but he's clearlyexperienced because 22 years so.
Yep, all right.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
So together, Earhart and Fred, they would actually
communicate mostly by writingnotes because the engine was so
loud.
Communicate mostly by writingnotes because the engine was so
loud, I bet it was yeah.
So together they expected toreach howland island.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
So we're coming from the east right coming back.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, so howland island is roughly 2,500 miles
from um, from lay, which I Ithought I looked up where lay
was.
My apologies, papua new guineaokay okay, so 2,500 miles from
papa new guinea, okay, and itwas about 18 hours of flight
flight time.
So there was um a coast guardcutter called the it's it it is.
(26:46):
Can they not just have normalwords?
it aska it, aska it aska, spellit i-t-a-s-c-a itasca, itasca,
that sounds better yeah tasca um, so they were stationed at
howland okay waiting for fueland they would receive like
intermittent messages from fromum amelia erhart and fred noonan
(27:10):
Right, as like her signalimproved towards that area.
Sure, but neither Amelia norFred knew Morse code, so it kind
of prevented two-waycommunication, right, and it was
actually uncertain whether theyactually heard any of the
Itasca's transmissions at thistime and were these warnings to
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them?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
No, it was just.
They were just trying tocommunicate.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, gotcha, yeah so , fearing the loss of contact,
the navy and the coast guardlaunched a massive search
operation because, all of asudden, there was no
communication, nothing, nothingfrom them.
They covered approximately 200250 000 square miles of ocean
that is a lot of square milesyes, so how many square
(27:59):
kilometers is that?
Are you kidding me right now?
You butt head.
So obviously very costly.
There were daily expenses.
Daily expenses, oh yeah ataround 250 000.
Oh my god jesus christ.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
yeah, so At around $250,000.
Oh my God, jesus Christ, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
So 18 months later, the Navy officially declared
Earhart and Fred Noonan dead,concluding that their plane
likely ran out of fuel andcrashed into the Pacific Ocean.
And today many experts believea combination of bad weather the
long journey essentially causedthe plane's downfall, sure, but
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we, we all know pretty muchlike air heart went missing.
No evidence was ever found.
And then occasionally theremight be something that would
pop up on some kind of discoverychannel like hey, we found
these bones in this reallyremote island and it could be
Amelia's.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Didn't they just say they just found it, like not
that long ago?
Yeah, I'll get to that.
Oh, you're good.
Okay, never mind.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Sorry, no, but like poof they're just gone.
Yeah, and that was like they'realmost the last leg.
They were almost there.
Yes, so if they would havereached Howland Island, it would
have been Honolulu and thenBurbank.
Literally that's all.
That's wild, isn't that crazythat they made it that far?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I guess I never.
I, of course, know of AmeliaEarhart and I've known about her
my entire life, right, I neverreally did much research or
reading or anything on her,though.
So I didn't realize, realizethey made it that far in their
flight, and I mean, you alwaysthink of things like I know this
(29:41):
isn't accurate, but you alwaysthink of things well, they got
lost in the bermuda triangle orwhatever fucking bullshit.
Right, as a kid you just makeup shit in your head.
But I didn't realize theyliterally made it that far into,
uh, into their journey, I guess.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, but imagine what would have happened if they
went the original way.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I find it funny because you kept Amelia
Earhart's name secret until wellyou did.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I was ready to tell you yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
So I think it's funny , because do you think, when
they were originally on Honoluluand she hit the wing, do you
think he's like female pilots?
I hope not.
I hope so, god.
I had to get that in there.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
So there were some film footage that would suggest
that the plane's belly antennamight have been broken off
during takeoff which could alsoexplain why the pilot couldn't
receive radio and transmissionsfrom the flight.
So okay, so now we're going togo into a few theories.
It's not going to be a lot no,but there's.
There's plenty out there, I'msure so the belief is that
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amelia earhart and fred noonanran out of fuel and their plane
crashed into the oceanEssentially A crash and sink
theory.
Okay, pilot and navigator JoeLodridge conducted extensive
research and proposed adifferent scenario.
He believes Fred made an errorin his navigational calculations
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, specifically in determininghis position using the sun's
angle near the horizon.
This error, combined with winddata, led Lodridge to think that
their position was likelyfarther east than previously
thought.
They were completely off track.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Sure, I mean that's very probable.
I mean you could make a hugeargument for that being correct.
I mean that's very you couldmake a huge argument for that
being correct.
Yeah, yeah, obviously.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
So, according to Laudridge's analysis, their
final crash position could havebeen about 60 miles southeast of
Howland Island Okay and 30miles east of Baker Island,
which is another tiny littleblip of land.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Is that near Howland Island?
It is Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
So the theory suggests that they flew the
expected distance, made theirplanned 90 degree turn because
they had to like, apparently hadto do a major turn, but
ultimately missed the island dueto a navigational error.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
You said Howland Island is basically it's under
our jurisdiction, but it'smainly just like a nature
preserve.
Yeah, was there a runway onthis island at one point?
Then there's a big beach, justjust a beach.
So how would they have everlanded on that?
I don't know, because thatplane clearly needs a runway,
right, am I wrong?
Speaker 1 (32:26):
I mean it could get sunk in the sand, so I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, but okay, you've been on a beach before.
If you were going reallyfucking fast, you would
basically your feet would getsunk and fall face first into
the fucking sand.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yeah, nosedive.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
There you go.
You got there, but basicallythat's what a plane would do,
but a lot worse because it wouldprobably blow up and shit like
in movies.
Because that's what they do.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
They blow up, yes, no matter what you look at it so
apparently the us government didbuild a land strip or a landing
strip on the island.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Okay and well, if you're gonna get there, it was
in the 1930s that they did that,so she was planning on having a
runway.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, yeah huzzah, look at me being all smrt so one
theory suggests that theirplane crash landed not in the
ocean but on the remote anduninhabited nukumaro.
Nukumaro that's 100 verifiedlocated approximately 400 miles
(33:29):
south of howland island that'squite significantly long
distance.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yes, because that's not even close.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
So because three years after their disappearance
and an expedition to that island, they uncovered human remains.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
But that doesn't mean it was theirs.
No, did that?
Did their coat say air heart onit?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I mean when they dug it up it was a skull that they
found.
Yeah, exactly, so I mean sothat's a researcher from
university of tennessee analyzedthese bones and concluded that,
yes, they likely belong toamelia airheart they're making a
name for themselves accordingto a 2018 study published in
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forensic anthropology, the bonecharacteristics exhibited a high
degree of similarity to airheart compared to 99 of
individuals in the referencesample.
We do not know what that sampleis, so therefore it's huge,
inconclusive, basically,basically yeah, so none of
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fred's remains were found.
However, a sexton boxresembling the one that he
carried was discovered among thedebris on this Nicaragua Island
.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yes, call it Remote Island.
Yes, south of Holland.
So, 400 miles.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
So another theory some people think that President
Roosevelt actually sent them ona mission to spy on Japan.
Oh good Lord, seems pretty farfetched, but it does.
Think that president rooseveltactually sent them on a mission
to spy on japan?
Oh good, lord um seems prettyfar-fetched, but it does.
If they were a spy, they took areally strange route to get to
japan, am I?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
right?
Yeah, because their first routewould have made way more sense,
because they were going west,which is where japan was from
california and if it was asecret mission, they had a lot
of media following them maybethey were just trying to throw
them off.
Let's go east.
Don't ever guess that that'sfunny.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Not exactly top secret Not so much.
So yet another theory says thatthey didn't disappear.
They claim that they crash,landed somewhere in the Marshall
Islands and the Japanesemilitary captured them.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I have actually heard that theory and seen photos
that they lead to believe it'sEarhart.
But then where's Noonan?
Yeah yeah, because he was not,and so again, I didn't do
extensive research.
In this little thing I readyeah.
No mention of anybody else.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, so again I feel that's weird, because they
didn't even know he existed.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Apparently he didn't log, he didn't check in at the
flight when they left, so orwhatever.
I mean, how did?
How have we not ever heard ofthis guy before, like at least
for me?
I'm sure someone has, for surebeyond us, but like I had never
heard of this guy before yeah.
I had no, like.
They always made it seem likeEarhart did it on her own,
(36:16):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
That's kind of horseshit.
It was always first solo flight.
That's all I feel like.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
that's how it's always been said First woman
solo flight, or at leastportrayed yeah, yeah, no, that's
.
And I find that really fuckingweird because clearly she was
not alone.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
No, because clearly she was not alone.
No, so she was supposed to besolo, but and she like recruited
him to do like the hardest part, going west from hawaii to
howland, right, but then she'slike, no, I think okay.
And then, well, then at onepoint fred wrote mary and said
she actually wants to keep me onuntil australia right which
would have been um two stopsafter howland correct because
they were going to stop in papanew or new guinea papa new
guinea.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
okay, that's what you said I didn't know if that was
a rock star, rapper or whatever,but as opposed to mama new
guinea I guess there's paparoach anyway, oh jesus christ um
so after they decided, okay,we'll go east, and said she's
like come with me the whole waylet's do this so she was
supposed to be by herself Anyway.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
That's just wild, though I find that strange, but
yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Supposedly, the Japanese captured them and they
died while being prisoner on theisland of Saipan In 2015,.
a team led by a former FBI guynamed Sean Henry found an old
photo in the National Archives'sprobably what I saw then, yeah
and it was taken by the officeof naval and naval intelligence,
which shows a ship towing abarge with a plane on it and, um
(37:43):
, there's people on a nearbydock, and sean henry thinks that
it was the electro plane andthat two of those people on the
dock were amelia and fred.
Sure, so also the idea oferhart being taken by the
japanese isn't new.
Um, people have been talkingabout this since the 1960s,
right, and some marshallislanders even claim to have
(38:04):
seen her plane land, um, on themarshall island and being taken
by the japanese, like thequote-unquote witnesses, which
are never reliable.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
No, because people make shit up.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yes, however, to add to this yes.
Two guys named Les Kenny andDick Spink.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Dick Spink.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Spink S-P-I-N-K Dick Spink.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I got it.
That's a fantastic fucking name.
Sure is.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
They found some metal pieces in the Marshalls and
they think it came fromEarhart's plane.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Okay, I mean you can think whatever you want, like I
could go walk outside your houseand be like oh my God, she flew
over here because I found ascrew.
It's like yeah, yeah, oh, showme fucking proof, don't just
tell me you think it's from herfucking plane, anyways.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
So January 2024 last year that's hard to believe.
Last year sonar images werereleased that showed a strange
object on the sea floor.
It was about 100 miles fromhowland island, okay, okay, so
super close that kind of tracks.
Yeah, exactly the discoverylooked like a shape planed
(39:09):
object on the ocean floor and itreignited like this huge global
interest in her disappearance.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I think I faintly recall some of this.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
So People were wondering could this be the
Electra?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Lockheed Electra 10E.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Deep Sea Vision, the South Carolina-based company
that originally found the objecton the seafloor, returned to
the site just November 1st.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
So just a couple months ago?
Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
So after further investigation, they determined
that the object was actuallyjust a natural rock formation.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
I remember, oh my gosh, I remember hearing about
this just a natural rockformation.
I remember, oh my gosh, Iremember hearing about this what
a buzzkill, I know it's likethey didn't have any beat box.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Also, I have these images too, so I'll post them on
social media, yeah.
So Tony Romero, who was the CEOof the Deep Sea Vision Company
he was a former Air Forceintelligence officer and pilot
himself he described the rockformation as, quote, the
cruelest formation ever createdby nature that's awesome, yeah
(40:13):
he also said it's almost as ifsomeone deliberately arranged
those rocks to mimic the shapeof a plane, just to teach those
tease those searching for herright.
So um romeo expressed surprisethat the object wasn't even a
different plane or some otherman-made structure because it
(40:33):
looked so much like a plane.
Yeah, right so he told cnnquote we didn't celebrate
prematurely because we wanted tobe absolutely certain, but
there was definitely a moment ofdisappointment.
Well, yeah, we took a moment toreflect and then we got right
back to work exploring newsearch areas but, can you like
imagine seeing that formation injanuary and then, 11 months
(40:55):
later, going back and be likepsych?
Speaker 2 (40:58):
no, I know that's that sucks, because they got
their hopes up so much like holyshit we might have found
something and like the locationwas right on right on within
reason of them running out ofgas or issue or whatever it was
where they crashed.
So it's like, holy fuck, did wefind this?
And it's just funny because,you know, almost 90 years later,
(41:19):
right 37 is when they wentmissing.
So we're almost to 90 years andthey're still just let's put a
lot of fucking priority intofinding apparently just one
person's plane, not the otherperson on there.
Yeah, but it's crazy that theyhave that much like let's keep
looking, because what is thatgoing to bring to the world if
(41:40):
they find it?
Speaker 1 (41:40):
They're going to investigate the actual plane and
see if they can determine findit.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
They're going to investigate the actual plane and
see if they can determine.
But okay, so if the plane'sbeen in the ocean, which likely
that's?
Where it is, what has the saltwater done to that plane?
I don't know look what it'sdoing to the titanic I don't
know science really that was amuch.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
She had that or chemistry or life I mean
chemistry is science, but okay.
Or life, I mean chemistry isscience, but okay, it's all
encompassing.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
How are your math skills Terrible, I know.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
So are my reading skills.
I'm really, I am a true buffoon.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
And I am history because I'm old.
Is that how we got our nameHistoric?
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Okay, let me continue .
All right, anyways.
So Deep Sea Vision, thatcompany, announced they actually
have an Instagram page.
Oh, so, deep sea vision, thatcompany announced they actually
have an Instagram page.
Oh, so, so progressive.
So you can actually like tracktheir progress or whatever.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Oh, really, you can follow along.
Basically, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
So, after discovering the rock formation, they
explored over a thousand squaremiles of the ocean, bringing
their total search area to 7,700square miles.
Their total search area to7,700 square miles.
Wow.
So, while this wasn't theoutcome, they were wanting the
experts emphasize that thissearch they're going to continue
, they're not going to stop.
So there's still hope that oneday they will figure out what
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happened to Fred Noonan and hispilot.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Amelia Earhart.
So how do you get funding forthat?
I mean, give me funding, I'llgo fucking.
Look, I have no idea what I'mlooking for, but I'll fucking do
that.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know, maybe they're
independently wealthy, who knows?
Speaker 2 (43:15):
There's got to be some grants or whatever along
those lines that pay the billsfor them to fucking look for a
plane that's almost 90 yearsgone.
I mean, I want to call somebodytomorrow and be like hey man,
I'll do it, Give me some money.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Did you like my sneak ?
Amelia Earhart attack.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah, crazy women pilots Fucking shit up.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I actually said she twice and I'm like she they and
it's funny, I did.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
I did not catch it, I did not clearly pick up on that
.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
I managed okay time I know.
So I heard you have an idiomfor me.
You heard wrong.
Oh, kidding oh all right so I'mgonna drink my 11.1 alcohol
volume.
Fruit punch by beatbox.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Oh my God, please, please, don't, don't beatbox,
don't beatbox.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Oh, my word, let's move on, woosa, all right.
So the idiom I have for youtoday is spill the beans.
Okay, you've heard of thatbefore.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
I have.
I've used it.
Yes, let the cat out of the bagno, we're doing.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Spill the beans.
What the fuck?
Why are you fucking shit upright now?
Drink your drink, woman, allright.
So spill the beans is an idiomthat means to reveal private or
secret information.
For example, you might spillthe beans about a surprise party
.
I'm not going to read theseexamples because they're kind of
dumb.
I thought I was going mightspill the beans about a surprise
party.
I'm not going to read theseexamples because they're kind of
dumb.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
I thought I was going to spill the beans by saying
she referring to the pilot,versus they.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Way to bring it back.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
You're good at some things.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
I'm listening.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I'm listening, I'm SMRT.
The idiom is often used incasual conversation and is not
appropriate in formal context.
Casual conversation and is notappropriate in formal context.
So, basically, you're not goingto be like in a in a corporate
board meeting, being like spillthe beans, tina.
It's like what, um, I don'tknow anyways.
So the the the phrase,originated in the united states
(45:20):
in the early 20th century.
What so?
When is that 1900s?
Anyway?
Good, good, I'm gonna put Ialways.
I always have cricket noises Ialways have to like double check
because it's off by one 20thcentury is the 19th century,
21st century, sorry, it's the1900s, the 21st century is the
(45:43):
2000s like yeah, I have to like,think about it and no remember
that's why I asked you, becauseI fucked that up a couple times
so um, anyways 1900s historiansbelieve the idiom may have come
from an ancient greek votingmethod where beans were used to
cast votes.
Have you?
Ever heard that before sobasically they would have two
different colored beans and twojars, and usually they weren't
(46:05):
clear, they were jars, so youcouldn't see.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
So I'm thinking like black beans and like lima beans,
white beans, Dark kidney beans.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Red kidney beans.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Red kidney beans yeah Making some chili.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got to make my chili again.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Let's do some white navy beans and black beans.
That's what they used, go.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Have you ever had chickpeas which are also
garbanzo?
Speaker 1 (46:28):
beans, yes, but not in a traditional setting.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Someone made a dip with it, or something so in the
band I used to be in, we alwayswanted to um name him album.
Uh, chickpeas in public placesyour album yeah, it would be
chickpeas in public places.
So when I used to visit sarSarah at the grocery, store that
she worked at.
I would go grab a can ofchickpeas and put it in a random
place, anyways.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Why.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Because chickpeas in random places, Anyways.
So where was I?
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Two different kinds of beans for voting in ancient.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Greece, oh yeah.
So basically you would havelike I don't know if they were
colored or they were justliterally just the color of the
beans.
Different beans, yeah, separatethem and you would like be
voting for an office, you wouldput whatever bean you want into
a specific jar and then theywould spill the beans to count
them out.
Basically is what they'resaying.
So that's how they would spillthe beans to count them out.
(47:25):
Basically is what they'resaying.
So that's what the how theywould determine the outcome of
the election.
But uh, they also say to whichI've heard this, and I don't
like this because I always gooff of spill the beans because
that's the one I knew prior tothis but uh, related idiom is
spill the tea, yeah, which a lotof people say these days, these
days, yeah, it's like way over,fucking used these days to be
honest but it also means toreveal secret information.
(47:50):
Uh, but spill the tea is moreclosely associated with gossip,
where spill the beans isbasically when someone
unintentionally gives somethingup.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Okay, sure, sure, so, okay.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
So intentional versus unintentional if I was going to
come to you and be like, well,spill the tea on X, y, z.
Yeah, that means you would giveup the information.
Right or if I said hey, kate,did you hear about this?
I'd be spilling the beansbecause I I unintentionally told
you something I probablyshouldn't have or whatever yeah.
(48:21):
Or I said something and youoverheard it, kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
It's like oh, brad just spilled the beans.
Yeah, so, um, but yeah, sospill the beans.
You, uh, basically give upsecret information or personal
information.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
I like it.
I didn't know it was used forum voting.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah, that's cool, that's where they they think it
came from.
Yeah, um, because literallyback in the day in ancient
Greece they had beans.
So they're like, well, pickwhich color and put it in the
proper vessel, yeah, and thenthey would spill the beans out
and count and see who won.
So Cool, they were used thatfor elections.
(48:59):
I believe they just stoppedusing that.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Do you think they had Beano around back then?
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Beans, beans the magical.
I've said this once already onthe podcast.
I'll stop, Okay.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
What did you think about your pink lemonade beat
box?
Speaker 2 (49:12):
I don't know if it's alcohol talking, but it got
better as it went on.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Are you finished with it?
Speaker 2 (49:17):
I'm empty.
I have none to share.
I apologize, so you finishyours.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
We'll see about that.
Oh, dear I think I maybe havegone through a single serving
out of the three point Threeeight.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Three, eight, so specific.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
I liked it.
I really liked my flavoractually.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I'm curious.
I'll take a sip because I'mcurious to try the flavor of
yours.
I felt like it wasn't very.
I like pink lemonade.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Yeah, which is why I gave that one to you.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, I mean, I'm telling you that I like it.
I really don't, but anyways,I'm kidding Jesus Christ.
No, I like pink lemonade, butinitially it didn't taste like
it at all.
Again, it's probably thealcohol talking got better as it
went on.
I ended up finishing it.
So sorry you don't get to tryit, but you don't also really
(50:10):
care for pink lemonade, right?
Speaker 1 (50:12):
so it's okay.
Um yeah, I would much ratherchoose other drinks or lemonade,
even pink lemonade I would muchrather just have regular
lemonade yeah, that too, eitherway yeah, um vesper really likes
lemonade yeah every time we govisit Grandma she's always like
lemonade.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Okay, vesper, but she knows Grandma always has it
because I always drink it when Igo there.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Yeah, it's kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
But no, it was decent .
I don't think I would go out ofmy way to buy this.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
On a regular basis, but if it was available I
wouldn't say no to it.
Yeah, I'm curious at what otherflavors they have?
Speaker 1 (50:48):
yeah, they had that a blue raspberry and a green
apple, I think.
Is that what that one?
Yeah, I think you're right.
I think there might be one ortwo others oh, I think there's
actually a lot there I believe,if I'm not mistaken, they also
have like zero sugar ones orsomething.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
something like it might not be zero sugar, but
along those lines beatbox dietyo.
Yeah, Get drunk and losecalories.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
I know what it is, what it's whisper beatbox.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Welp.
I suppose, All right, buffoons.
That's it for today's episode.
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Oh, hey there.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
What the hell?
Oh, hey, there, question mark.
I'm Kate and I'm Confused.
Bradley.
What was that Excit, thatexcitement?
That is the weirdest excitementI've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
But carry on I haven't had my nap yet today, so
I'm trying to force excitementthat's exactly what we want for
our podcast who to who what?
Should we start over?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
No, I think we should keep going, because this is
fucking Comedy, gold, podcast,gold right here.
This is going to get us to thetop of the charts.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Bradley likes to make fun of my napping skills.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I don't like to make fun of it.
Well, maybe that's not exactlyaccurate either, but she can nap
with the best of them yeah likeif there was a napping in the
olympics, kate would probablywin at least silver, if not gold
, every fucking time.
And the only reason why I saysilver sometimes is because
sometimes she just lays down anddoesn't sleep yes, that does
happen most of the time holyballs nap for days like oh, you
(01:23):
literally nap for like.
Your naps are like longer thansome people like sleep.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
So well, I haven't had one yet.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
No, today no, well, that's unfortunate for you.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I apologize for your your lack of sleep in the middle
of the day why don't youintroduce us to what we've got
in front of us here, all rightin the container?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
yeah, well, they're.
Yeah, they're different.
You've seen coconut waterbefore right yes the same
container.
So if people have known thatit's like the same packaging, so
I've I've known about these fora while.
Um, I've never had one myself,but uh, they're called beatbox
and they're 11.1 percent.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
This is what you picked for us.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Do we want to go to the other ones?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Nope, I am excited.
I am excited, Holy balls Batman.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So it's what do they kind of consider?
It's like it says containsalcohol.
World's tastiest party punch,best served chilled, must be 21
plus.
Yes, but for what I understandis it's not like wine, it's I
don't know, it's almost like apre-made cocktail, basically is
what it is, so it's made out ofa plastic like almost like a
(02:43):
milk carton.
Yeah, like the coconut water.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
We have to like lift up the corner flaps.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Uh huh, you don't have to do that.
You don't have to do that itactually has like a.
Screw top yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Um, but it's.
It's a plastic box essentially,yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
It's uh, it's different packaging.
Yeah, how many?
It's 16.9.
So 11.1% at 16.9.
I think we're going to feel alittle something after this.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
So it says that it was packaged in Acompo
California.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Oh, is that where it's?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
from yeah, and I have the fruit punch beat box.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Okay, did you read the servings per container?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
No 3.38?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
What there's over three servings per container.
No 3.38 what there's there'sover three servings per
container oh, so are we takingshots of this, uh?
No, we're just gonna, we'regonna sip on it.
So why don't we open it upbefore we change our minds?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
oh my gosh, okay I feel like I don't know how I
feel about this all of a sudden,okay, screw top Cheers.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Cheers.
I'm going to say that'sdifferent.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Mine tastes like fruit punch.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Mine tastes like alcohol.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Okay, I mean, mine tastes like alcohol, but with
fruit punch.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
But how many beers have I said?
Well, I wouldn't even noticethat was 9%.
I noticed, this is 11.1%.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Oh, you might want to try mine then.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, Is it better.
I like it.
I'm not saying it's bad, it'sit's.
Oh, I didn't.
Mine is pink lemonade.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
That's what I cause.
You said your flavor, I forgotto say mine.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
No, it's not my go-to type beverage.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Like I like cocktails , this to me isn't a cocktail it
didn't say that we had to shakeit or anything I don't think so
.
I don't believe so, but but I'mI'm confused why mine tastes
better than yours well, maybeit's just more up your alley
than mine.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I guess that could also be it as well do you want
to try mine?
I I guess that could also be itas well.
Do you want to try mine?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I mean we could, should we like football it
across the room?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
No, because that's going to cause an extremely bad
mess and let's not do that.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Okay, I'll get my lazy Susan out and put it down.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
No, okay, maybe we'll do this later.
Yeah, how about?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
we sample each other's.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Later you can pour some out in a glass of your.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
A shot glass.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, and I'll do the same for you, and then we can
try it.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Okay, so once before you had said that you have been
to Hawaii, yes, once in my life.
Do you remember your flight toHawaii?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I remember we were delayed on our way back.
That's all I honestly rememberabout the flights.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Really, that's all you remember.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, I don't recall the flight out there.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's because it's been what 28 years?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
So I've had a lot of beers between then, Mm-hmm.
So no, I honestly don'tremember.
I want to say I think we had tofly into California and then we
flew there.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I don't think we had to have like a direct from out
this way to there.
I think that would be way toolong if there was a direct
flight from the center of thecountry to Hawaii.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I think that's what we did, but no, I honestly
really don't remember the flightat all.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
When I flew to Italy, we had a stop in I think it was
Newark.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, you had said that.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, and I too.
I don't really remember it.
I remember the dread because Icannot stand flights over two
hours, like I get claustrophobicfeeling and like I have to get
up and stretch.
And there's so many people inthe way, it's really
overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I can understand that a hundred percent.
Yeah, so uh, when I'm lookingat flights for random things, or
you know, even just likelooking around stupidly for like
, just for whatever, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I'm like, oh, that's too long, I'd rather drive.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Where can I go within two hours?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, pretty much, pretty much.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I do remember my flight to Germany.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Cause we flew out of O'Hare to Amsterdam.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I do remember that flight.
I remember the flight back evenmore so because we went there
in 08 and this is before.
Movies were like out the nextday, even though they were in a
theater yesterday.
Yeah, timeframe, yeah.
And I remember being able towatch, because it wasn't even
out on DVD or Blu-ray at thetime we got to watch, because it
wasn't even out on dvd orblu-ray at the time we got to
watch iron man on our way back.
Yeah, because it was like justbeing about to be released, kind
(07:09):
of thing, and a lot of movie,uh, uh, what's the word I'm
looking for?
Uh, studios, there's thefucking word.
Um had deals with likeairplanes and stuff yeah, they
would put the the movies ontheir flight.
So I got to watch iron man onthe way back.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
That's exactly how I found out about Harry Potter.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Oh really.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I don't remember if it was to or from Italy.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
But that's when you first watched it.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I watched the very first Harry Potter, and then I
started reading the books afterthat.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That's funny.
Yeah, I just saw it in a movietheater in Brookfield.
Yeah, not on a plane, well.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Well, we're talking about some flights today, but
we're going to talk specificallyabout Fred Noonan.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Fred Noonan.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Do you know who he is ?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So he is of Irish heritage.
He was born in Cook County,Illinois, so Chicago thereabouts
.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Did you notice that a lot of your stories involve
Illinois?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
It's not planned.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I'll tell you that I hope not, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So he was born on April 4th 1893.
Okay, okay.
And he was born to Joseph uhNoonan.
And he was born in Maine.
And then his wife, CatherineEgan, was born in London.
Oh, wow, okay, um, and he lost.
Fred lost his mother when hewas just four years old.
Oh, that's too bad.
(08:25):
Fred left school in the summerof 1905 and went to Seattle
Washington where he started amaritime career.
Oh, really yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I'm sorry.
Did I mention flights?
I meant boats.
I'm kidding, they're both inhere.
Wow, wait, which one's in theair and which?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
one's on the sea.
I'm gonna take another shot ofthis.
Oh my god, I guess I will tooyeah, let's, let's see what the
second taste is like I will giveit a little shake this time,
just because why not?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
that's what I do, yeah my the back end is a little
alcoholy but but the front endis very much fruit punch.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I really don't taste pink lemonade Bummer yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
That's too bad, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
We'll fix that later.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So Fred served on a series of merchant ships and he
progressed through the ranks andhe accumulated a lot of
experience and certifications.
Okay, so at 17, Fred shippedout of Seattle as a seaman on a
British sailing ship called theCrompton and between 1910 and
1915, he worked on over a dozenships.
(09:35):
Wow, yeah.
So like he was like super, hewas all over the place.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
So he quickly climbed the ranks to become a
quartermaster.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Which is basically someone who assists the officer
on deck, and he was a navigatorand then he was promoted to a
bosun's mate, which did a lot ofship maintenance and training
and operations.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I've heard of that before.
Oh, have you.
Yeah, wonderful.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So during World War I , fred, lived in New York and
sailed on both American andBritish merchant ships.
He never actually joined theNavy, it was all.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Oh, it's all private.
Yeah, okay, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
So, um, he actually did still face quite a bit of
danger.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Well, I'd imagine.
So.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I wish there was more information on this, but I
really couldn't find it otherthan a statement.
But he on the merchant ships hewas actually carrying some
ammunition and he had threedifferent ships that he was on
sunk by the German U-boats.
Oh Jesus, yeah, and there's noinformation on it.
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
That's wild.
Yeah, you would think there'dbe something out there.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, but despite these close calls, uh, he kept
sailing and after the war hebecame a well-respected ship's
officer so in 1926 the usshipping board gave him a top
level license to captain anysize ship oh wow, yeah so he
always got like the highestmarks and his performance
(11:02):
reviews and he had a ton ofdedication to his work so he was
a very, very committed person.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
He was a hard worker.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, yeah, at 34 years old.
Fred got married to josephinesullivan in jackson, mississippi
in 1927, and he's all over theunited states too yeah, because
you said he was up in whatseattle?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
was it Seattle?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, then New York and now Mississippi, and they
settled down in New Orleansafter a honeymoon in Cuba.
Wow yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Honeymoon in Cuba, not something you can do today.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Not something you can do today.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So then Fred landed a job as a chief mate on a
Mississippi shipping companyship, ship and a chief mate is
basically second in command tothe captain oh, okay so after a
22 year career at sea, includingseven trips around cape horn
(11:58):
like of africa yeah, no, forsure yeah, um, and three of
those trips were on sailingships.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Wow, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Fred decided to try something completely new.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
So at 39, he's trying something new he took to the
air.
Wow yeah, so that's quitedifferent.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yes, so he learned to fly in the late 1920s and he
got his pilot's license in 1930.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Wow Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
So still being who he is the next year.
He still got a class masterlicense that says class master,
any ocean.
It's basically the highestqualification for a ship captain
.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Do they still do that today?
Stuff like that I would imaginein some degree right, I'm sure
many people are both on shipsand in airplanes.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I'm sure many people are both on ships and in
airplanes.
He's rubbing his eyes, notimpressed.
I don't know.
Podcast gold, so in the early1930s Fred joined Pan Am oh dear
.
He worked as a navigationinstructor in Miami and then
managed the airport inPort-au-Prince, haiti.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Port-au-Prince yeah.
He's all over the place hereally has gotten around the
world.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, so he eventually became an inspector
for all Pan Am airports as well.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Do you remember what year Pan Am closed?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
No, Do you?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, what is it 1991 .
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Oh, good job.
Yeah, fred used his seafaringnavigation skills to help
develop new techniques for PanAm flying flights across the
Pacific Okay.
Okay, sure.
So in March 1935, fred and hiswife moved to Oakland,
california.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Geez another new place.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
For the rest of the year.
He was a key player inpioneering commercial air travel
across the Pacific, serving asa navigator on survey flights,
so he would navigate before thecommercial passengers would, so
they could literally figure outwhere the hell they're going.
Yes, a flight plan, if you will, yes, correct.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
So he made history as a navigator on the first Pan Am
Sikorsky S42 Clipper in SanFrancisco Bay.
I know that's.
You know all about the Clippers.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Anyway, the LA Clippers, they're a basketball
team.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Are they?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Really, yes, awesome Los Angeles Clippers.
Do you know what a Clipper is?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
No, because you're going to tell me.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
A Clipper is basically the first commercial
air route across the PacificOcean.
Okay, so he navigated a roundtrip through a China Clipper
flight between San Francisco andHonolulu as well, um, so fred
continued to play a crucial rolein the clipper routes
(14:49):
throughout the the pacific ocean, and he started participating
in flights to midway island,guam, the philippines, hong kong
and, in 1936, um, he flew atleast like 21 times for pan am,
and they included very longdistance test flights and round
trip crossings to Manila, whichis the capital of the
(15:10):
Philippines.
So, in addition to modernnavigational instruments, fred
was also known for bringing aship's sextant on these flights.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So a sextant is a navigation instrument that
essentially measures the angulardistance between two objects,
and a lot of times it's usedlike, based on like where the
horizon is isn't it also usedwith stars?
It can be, yes so sometimelater that month he did resign
from pan m as he thought that hecouldn't really go up any
(15:44):
further in the ranks and heactually wanted to start a
navigation school anyway, ohokay.
So he was just like yeah, I'mgood, I'll just do my own thing
yeah, yeah that makes sense.
So 1937, big year for fred okay,big year.
He was already famous as a topnavigator.
He helped start commercialairline navigation.
He was a big deal.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Big deal, big deal in flight, right In flight.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
And he started his own navigation school Right
March 3rd of that year.
Also big news he filed fordivorce.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Oh, did he really.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, but then he fell for a woman named Mary
Beatrice Martellini.
She was another divorced womanwith no kids.
She owned a beauty salon inOakland, california.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
He didn't have any kids with the first wife, right,
correct, okay, I didn't thinkyou said anything about that.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, so that same year, fred was then hired by a
pilot who was planning a triparound the world.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Oh geez.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
The pilot bought a super advanced plane called the
Lockheed Electra 10E plane withmoney from Purdue University.
So for all those aviation nutsout there, maybe you know what a
Lockheed Electra 10E plane is.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I've heard of a Lockheed before, but I couldn't
tell you anything about it.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
It looks like a plane , you don't say.
I actually have a picture of it, right right here for you, yeah
it really does and it has likelanding gear landing yeah yeah,
so that's what it looks like andthis will be exactly so weird.
A little bit of uh visibilityin the windshield and yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Does it have windshield wipers?
I?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
don't know, do they?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Probably yeah, Most of them do Cool.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Anyway, that will be on our social media, jesus
Christ.
So that's the plane.
So they're going to go aroundthe world near the equator.
So airlines are already flyingall over the world at this point
, so not super new.
But Fred had just quit pan am,he was ready to do this just got
divorced yeah, so he was theexpert that they needed,
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especially for the flight fromhawaii to howland island, and it
is a tiny island in the middleof the pacific ocean oh, okay
it's about halfway betweenaustral Hawaii.
It's technically, as of now it'san uninhabited, unorganized
territory of the US and it'sactually kind of a nature
preserve right now.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Oh really, yeah, so that's under our jurisdiction.
Yeah, I didn't realize thatOkay.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
So Fred's first appeared in the news as a member
of the crew on March 13th 1937,and their first attempt to take
off was delayed by bad weatheron March 16th of that year.
So, taking advantage of thedelay, fred, there we go.
It's the fruit punch.
I'm going to have a little bitmore, because I like mine.
(18:37):
It's tasty, it's tasty, it'sgetting better the more I drink
it.
Aka, you're carrying less.
Yes the more I drink it, aka,you're caring less.
Yes, so fred inspected theplane's navigation equipment and
discovered a problem oh, what'sthe problem?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
he was shocked to find that they only had a simple
ship sextant for navigating nowthat seems like a terrible idea
if you're going to try and goaround the fucking world yes,
because it is meant to find ahorizontal point yes, when
you're in the sky you don't knowwhere horizon is sometimes yeah
, exactly so he fixed this byborrowing a modern bubble octant
(19:18):
which is used in aviation, butit's honestly similar to a level
.
Yeah, correct, yeah, it balancesitself out.
Yes, even if you're turningit's still going to be yes level
yes within the bubble.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
So yeah, yeah, so, um , with the octane secured, um
they, they took off from burbank, california, on march 17th,
setting it a record flight tohawaii.
Now, on march 19th, fred sent atelegram to mary his, his new
fling yeah uh, leaving 1 30 amyour time.
The pilot has asked me to staywith with them until at least
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darwin, australia, and maybeeven longer.
I love you, fred.
Okay, so they were going to gofrom honolulu to howland island,
to papua new guinea and thendarwin, australia, okay okay so
the next day, as the electra wastaking off for the next leg to
howland island, the wing hit theground.
Oh shit, yeah.
(20:12):
How did it do that?
I don't know oh I don't know,maybe it just I don't know,
maybe she got they got it like atwitch in the in the arm,
because sometimes I do that likeif I'm massaging someone's
glutes with my elbow, my wholearm twitches and I'm like sorry,
that was me, that was not yourglute releasing.
They're like okay, you're likeokay, Sometimes.
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I have to preface that becausethey're like what was that?
I was like, that was just mespasming, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
All right Anyways.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
So the wing hit the ground, yep.
The pilot shut down one engineto keep the plane balanced, but
it spun around and the landinggear broke.
Nobody was hurt, that seemslike a terrible idea to have
happen, but because the planewas so damaged, they shipped the
plane back by sea to LA forrepairs.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Gotcha Okay, and this was still from Hawaii.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yes, okay, yes, yes so a week later, on march 27th,
fred and mary get married inyuma, arizona oh, did they take
the 310 to yuma?
Where do you think they'll gonext?
Maybe montana do?
You get that reference yeah,it's a movie, I think.
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
you think, it's two movies movies.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I've never seen it A remake.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, the remake's really good.
It's got Batman, christian Baleand Russell Crowe in it.
Oh nice, it's actually a reallygood movie.
Yeah, and it's a remake of anolder Western.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, oh, it's a Western.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I think they should go to Montana next, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
And then like British Columbia or something.
I mean it makes sense, becausehe's a pilot they get married
and they plan to settle inoakland, but but decided to
spend a little honeymoon inhollywood, since fred was kind
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of waiting for these repairs toto finish right, yeah sure.
So after the electroplane wascertified airworthy on may 19th,
fred was present in burbank soit took him two months to fix
the plane.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, oh, wow.
Yeah, I mean that's prettysignificant damage.
Yeah, yeah, I mean I get thetimeframe we're talking about,
but I wouldn't have guessed twomonths.
Yeah, so okay.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So, uh, fred went to Burbank and the next day they
did like a sneak takeoff Um yeah, just to test it.
So they actually went toFlorida and then they flew back
to California, cause that'swhere they wanted to start for
their around the world trip isCalifornia.
So they went to Florida,everything's good, let's go back
.
I mean, that's quite a flight.
Yeah, I don't know what they'rethinking.
(22:42):
From California to Florida, Imean why not go to California to
like Vegas or something, butwhatever, because that's not
that far, I guess.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I'm sure they just wanted to have a significant
amount of time in the air tomake sure everything's good.
So I get it, but I wouldn'thave guessed Florida.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
And he had to flex his navigation skills again.
He's been on the ground for twomonths.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah, he's got to get warmed up, basically, yeah,
exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
So more than a month later they embarked on a second.
So they waited another month.
They finally did their secondattempt at the world flight um
from Burbank, this time goingEast.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So they they said fuck this, we're going East,
bitches.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, so they just abandoned their original plan
flight plan and went to the East.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Okay, so where do they go from?
From California, so it's awhole big zigzag yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
And I'll put a um a map on our social media because
it does say, like where they allwent All right cool.
So I think I don't remember ifthey stopped they would have had
to stop again in the US, butthen they went to like England
or something.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I would imagine they probably stopped somewhere on
the East Coast and then acrossthe Atlantic right.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
So on May 30th the pilot announced that they had
initially planned to fly soloacross the Pacific, but now that
they had Fred with them, theywanted to keep Fred with them
for the whole trip.
So the pilot described their40-day eastward journey from
Burbank to New Guinea asleisurely, leisurely, yeah, like
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no problems.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Did they have a flight attendant serving
cocktails and shit?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
One's dinner.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
So Fred meticulously tracked their progress.
But Fred wasn't always stuck inlike the back of the of the
plane as navigator.
He actually went up to thecockpit and talked to the pilot
quite a bit and that pilot wasAmelia Earhart.
What Come on?
Boom, boom, boom.
I kept her name a secret thiswhole time, Except for I said
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she a couple times.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I guess I didn't pick up on that.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
she Uh-huh, because I switched it to they like really
fast.
But this is the flight thatAmeliaelia earhart and fred
noonan took around the world.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
But nobody knows about fred noonan no, because
she was a woman and that wasthat was more significant.
Yep, then this isn't obviouslythe one where she goes missing,
right it is.
It is that flight.
Yep, did he go missing too he?
Was with her the whole way sowe're gonna learn that here shit
.
Yeah, no, I I didn't know therewas anyone with him.
Yeah, I feel like we've beenlied to this yep entire time, 45
(25:22):
years been lied to by ameliaamelia earhart yeah, she had a
passenger, a navigator, thewhole time I didn't, okay,
continue, yeah, wow so he'd onlygo back to the rear of the
cabin when he needed space tolike work on his charts and
stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
How do you think?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
how difficult was it for him to like okay, we're here
on this map, Like I couldn'teven fathom doing that in 1937.
Right, Well, he had 22 years onthe I understand, but like
you're in the air and it's likecause, you've got to track speed
and all that so you canproperly.
Lots of math, lots of math,which I like math, but man, that
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had to be difficult.
Yeah, yeah but he's clearlyexperienced because 22 years so.
Yep, all right.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
So together, Earhart and Fred, they would actually
communicate mostly by writingnotes because the engine was so
loud.
Communicate mostly by writingnotes because the engine was so
loud, I bet it was yeah.
So together they expected toreach howland island.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
So we're coming from the east right coming back.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, so howland island is roughly 2,500 miles
from um, from lay, which I Ithought I looked up where lay
was.
My apologies, papua new guineaokay okay, so 2,500 miles from
papa new guinea, okay, and itwas about 18 hours of flight
flight time.
So there was um a coast guardcutter called the it's it it is.
(26:46):
Can they not just have normalwords?
it aska it, aska it aska, spellit i-t-a-s-c-a itasca, itasca,
that sounds better yeah tasca um, so they were stationed at
howland okay waiting for fueland they would receive like
intermittent messages from fromum amelia erhart and fred noonan
(27:10):
Right, as like her signalimproved towards that area.
Sure, but neither Amelia norFred knew Morse code, so it kind
of prevented two-waycommunication, right, and it was
actually uncertain whether theyactually heard any of the
Itasca's transmissions at thistime and were these warnings to
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them?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
No, it was just.
They were just trying tocommunicate.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, gotcha, yeah so , fearing the loss of contact,
the navy and the coast guardlaunched a massive search
operation because, all of asudden, there was no
communication, nothing, nothingfrom them.
They covered approximately 200250 000 square miles of ocean
that is a lot of square milesyes, so how many square
(27:59):
kilometers is that?
Are you kidding me right now?
You butt head.
So obviously very costly.
There were daily expenses.
Daily expenses, oh yeah ataround 250 000.
Oh my god jesus christ.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
yeah, so At around $250,000.
Oh my God, jesus Christ, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
So 18 months later, the Navy officially declared
Earhart and Fred Noonan dead,concluding that their plane
likely ran out of fuel andcrashed into the Pacific Ocean.
And today many experts believea combination of bad weather the
long journey essentially causedthe plane's downfall, sure, but
(28:36):
we, we all know pretty muchlike air heart went missing.
No evidence was ever found.
And then occasionally theremight be something that would
pop up on some kind of discoverychannel like hey, we found
these bones in this reallyremote island and it could be
Amelia's.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Didn't they just say they just found it, like not
that long ago?
Yeah, I'll get to that.
Oh, you're good.
Okay, never mind.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Sorry, no, but like poof they're just gone.
Yeah, and that was like they'realmost the last leg.
They were almost there.
Yes, so if they would havereached Howland Island, it would
have been Honolulu and thenBurbank.
Literally that's all.
That's wild, isn't that crazythat they made it that far?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I guess I never.
I, of course, know of AmeliaEarhart and I've known about her
my entire life, right, I neverreally did much research or
reading or anything on her,though.
So I didn't realize, realizethey made it that far in their
flight, and I mean, you alwaysthink of things like I know this
(29:41):
isn't accurate, but you alwaysthink of things well, they got
lost in the bermuda triangle orwhatever fucking bullshit.
Right, as a kid you just makeup shit in your head.
But I didn't realize theyliterally made it that far into,
uh, into their journey, I guess.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, but imagine what would have happened if they
went the original way.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I find it funny because you kept Amelia
Earhart's name secret until wellyou did.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I was ready to tell you yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
So I think it's funny , because do you think, when
they were originally on Honoluluand she hit the wing, do you
think he's like female pilots?
I hope not.
I hope so, god.
I had to get that in there.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
So there were some film footage that would suggest
that the plane's belly antennamight have been broken off
during takeoff which could alsoexplain why the pilot couldn't
receive radio and transmissionsfrom the flight.
So okay, so now we're going togo into a few theories.
It's not going to be a lot no,but there's.
There's plenty out there, I'msure so the belief is that
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amelia earhart and fred noonanran out of fuel and their plane
crashed into the oceanEssentially A crash and sink
theory.
Okay, pilot and navigator JoeLodridge conducted extensive
research and proposed adifferent scenario.
He believes Fred made an errorin his navigational calculations
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, specifically in determininghis position using the sun's
angle near the horizon.
This error, combined with winddata, led Lodridge to think that
their position was likelyfarther east than previously
thought.
They were completely off track.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Sure, I mean that's very probable.
I mean you could make a hugeargument for that being correct.
I mean that's very you couldmake a huge argument for that
being correct.
Yeah, yeah, obviously.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
So, according to Laudridge's analysis, their
final crash position could havebeen about 60 miles southeast of
Howland Island Okay and 30miles east of Baker Island,
which is another tiny littleblip of land.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Is that near Howland Island?
It is Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
So the theory suggests that they flew the
expected distance, made theirplanned 90 degree turn because
they had to like, apparently hadto do a major turn, but
ultimately missed the island dueto a navigational error.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
You said Howland Island is basically it's under
our jurisdiction, but it'smainly just like a nature
preserve.
Yeah, was there a runway onthis island at one point?
Then there's a big beach, justjust a beach.
So how would they have everlanded on that?
I don't know, because thatplane clearly needs a runway,
right, am I wrong?
Speaker 1 (32:26):
I mean it could get sunk in the sand, so I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, but okay, you've been on a beach before.
If you were going reallyfucking fast, you would
basically your feet would getsunk and fall face first into
the fucking sand.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yeah, nosedive.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
There you go.
You got there, but basicallythat's what a plane would do,
but a lot worse because it wouldprobably blow up and shit like
in movies.
Because that's what they do.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
They blow up, yes, no matter what you look at it so
apparently the us government didbuild a land strip or a landing
strip on the island.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Okay and well, if you're gonna get there, it was
in the 1930s that they did that,so she was planning on having a
runway.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, yeah huzzah, look at me being all smrt so one
theory suggests that theirplane crash landed not in the
ocean but on the remote anduninhabited nukumaro.
Nukumaro that's 100 verifiedlocated approximately 400 miles
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south of howland island that'squite significantly long
distance.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yes, because that's not even close.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
So because three years after their disappearance
and an expedition to that island, they uncovered human remains.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
But that doesn't mean it was theirs.
No, did that?
Did their coat say air heart onit?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I mean when they dug it up it was a skull that they
found.
Yeah, exactly, so I mean sothat's a researcher from
university of tennessee analyzedthese bones and concluded that,
yes, they likely belong toamelia airheart they're making a
name for themselves accordingto a 2018 study published in
(34:10):
forensic anthropology, the bonecharacteristics exhibited a high
degree of similarity to airheart compared to 99 of
individuals in the referencesample.
We do not know what that sampleis, so therefore it's huge,
inconclusive, basically,basically yeah, so none of
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fred's remains were found.
However, a sexton boxresembling the one that he
carried was discovered among thedebris on this Nicaragua Island
.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yes, call it Remote Island.
Yes, south of Holland.
So, 400 miles.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
So another theory some people think that President
Roosevelt actually sent them ona mission to spy on Japan.
Oh good Lord, seems pretty farfetched, but it does.
Think that president rooseveltactually sent them on a mission
to spy on japan?
Oh good, lord um seems prettyfar-fetched, but it does.
If they were a spy, they took areally strange route to get to
japan, am I?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
right?
Yeah, because their first routewould have made way more sense,
because they were going west,which is where japan was from
california and if it was asecret mission, they had a lot
of media following them maybethey were just trying to throw
them off.
Let's go east.
Don't ever guess that that'sfunny.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Not exactly top secret Not so much.
So yet another theory says thatthey didn't disappear.
They claim that they crash,landed somewhere in the Marshall
Islands and the Japanesemilitary captured them.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I have actually heard that theory and seen photos
that they lead to believe it'sEarhart.
But then where's Noonan?
Yeah yeah, because he was not,and so again, I didn't do
extensive research.
In this little thing I readyeah.
No mention of anybody else.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, so again I feel that's weird, because they
didn't even know he existed.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Apparently he didn't log, he didn't check in at the
flight when they left, so orwhatever.
I mean, how did?
How have we not ever heard ofthis guy before, like at least
for me?
I'm sure someone has, for surebeyond us, but like I had never
heard of this guy before yeah.
I had no, like.
They always made it seem likeEarhart did it on her own,
(36:16):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
That's kind of horseshit.
It was always first solo flight.
That's all I feel like.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
that's how it's always been said First woman
solo flight, or at leastportrayed yeah, yeah, no, that's
.
And I find that really fuckingweird because clearly she was
not alone.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
No, because clearly she was not alone.
No, so she was supposed to besolo, but and she like recruited
him to do like the hardest part, going west from hawaii to
howland, right, but then she'slike, no, I think okay.
And then, well, then at onepoint fred wrote mary and said
she actually wants to keep me onuntil australia right which
would have been um two stopsafter howland correct because
they were going to stop in papanew or new guinea papa new
guinea.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
okay, that's what you said I didn't know if that was
a rock star, rapper or whatever,but as opposed to mama new
guinea I guess there's paparoach anyway, oh jesus christ um
so after they decided, okay,we'll go east, and said she's
like come with me the whole waylet's do this so she was
supposed to be by herself Anyway.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
That's just wild, though I find that strange, but
yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Supposedly, the Japanese captured them and they
died while being prisoner on theisland of Saipan In 2015,.
a team led by a former FBI guynamed Sean Henry found an old
photo in the National Archives'sprobably what I saw then, yeah
and it was taken by the officeof naval and naval intelligence,
which shows a ship towing abarge with a plane on it and, um
(37:43):
, there's people on a nearbydock, and sean henry thinks that
it was the electro plane andthat two of those people on the
dock were amelia and fred.
Sure, so also the idea oferhart being taken by the
japanese isn't new.
Um, people have been talkingabout this since the 1960s,
right, and some marshallislanders even claim to have
(38:04):
seen her plane land, um, on themarshall island and being taken
by the japanese, like thequote-unquote witnesses, which
are never reliable.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
No, because people make shit up.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yes, however, to add to this yes.
Two guys named Les Kenny andDick Spink.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Dick Spink.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Spink S-P-I-N-K Dick Spink.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I got it.
That's a fantastic fucking name.
Sure is.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
They found some metal pieces in the Marshalls and
they think it came fromEarhart's plane.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Okay, I mean you can think whatever you want, like I
could go walk outside your houseand be like oh my God, she flew
over here because I found ascrew.
It's like yeah, yeah, oh, showme fucking proof, don't just
tell me you think it's from herfucking plane, anyways.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
So January 2024 last year that's hard to believe.
Last year sonar images werereleased that showed a strange
object on the sea floor.
It was about 100 miles fromhowland island, okay, okay, so
super close that kind of tracks.
Yeah, exactly the discoverylooked like a shape planed
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object on the ocean floor and itreignited like this huge global
interest in her disappearance.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I think I faintly recall some of this.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
So People were wondering could this be the
Electra?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Lockheed Electra 10E.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Deep Sea Vision, the South Carolina-based company
that originally found the objecton the seafloor, returned to
the site just November 1st.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
So just a couple months ago?
Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
So after further investigation, they determined
that the object was actuallyjust a natural rock formation.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
I remember, oh my gosh, I remember hearing about
this just a natural rockformation.
I remember, oh my gosh, Iremember hearing about this what
a buzzkill, I know it's likethey didn't have any beat box.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Also, I have these images too, so I'll post them on
social media, yeah.
So Tony Romero, who was the CEOof the Deep Sea Vision Company
he was a former Air Forceintelligence officer and pilot
himself he described the rockformation as, quote, the
cruelest formation ever createdby nature that's awesome, yeah
(40:13):
he also said it's almost as ifsomeone deliberately arranged
those rocks to mimic the shapeof a plane, just to teach those
tease those searching for herright.
So um romeo expressed surprisethat the object wasn't even a
different plane or some otherman-made structure because it
(40:33):
looked so much like a plane.
Yeah, right so he told cnnquote we didn't celebrate
prematurely because we wanted tobe absolutely certain, but
there was definitely a moment ofdisappointment.
Well, yeah, we took a moment toreflect and then we got right
back to work exploring newsearch areas but, can you like
imagine seeing that formation injanuary and then, 11 months
(40:55):
later, going back and be likepsych?
Speaker 2 (40:58):
no, I know that's that sucks, because they got
their hopes up so much like holyshit we might have found
something and like the locationwas right on right on within
reason of them running out ofgas or issue or whatever it was
where they crashed.
So it's like, holy fuck, did wefind this?
And it's just funny because,you know, almost 90 years later,
(41:19):
right 37 is when they wentmissing.
So we're almost to 90 years andthey're still just let's put a
lot of fucking priority intofinding apparently just one
person's plane, not the otherperson on there.
Yeah, but it's crazy that theyhave that much like let's keep
looking, because what is thatgoing to bring to the world if
(41:40):
they find it?
Speaker 1 (41:40):
They're going to investigate the actual plane and
see if they can determine findit.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
They're going to investigate the actual plane and
see if they can determine.
But okay, so if the plane'sbeen in the ocean, which likely
that's?
Where it is, what has the saltwater done to that plane?
I don't know look what it'sdoing to the titanic I don't
know science really that was amuch.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
She had that or chemistry or life I mean
chemistry is science, but okay.
Or life, I mean chemistry isscience, but okay, it's all
encompassing.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
How are your math skills Terrible, I know.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
So are my reading skills.
I'm really, I am a true buffoon.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
And I am history because I'm old.
Is that how we got our nameHistoric?
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Okay, let me continue .
All right, anyways.
So Deep Sea Vision, thatcompany, announced they actually
have an Instagram page.
Oh, so, deep sea vision, thatcompany announced they actually
have an Instagram page.
Oh, so, so progressive.
So you can actually like tracktheir progress or whatever.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Oh, really, you can follow along.
Basically, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
So, after discovering the rock formation, they
explored over a thousand squaremiles of the ocean, bringing
their total search area to 7,700square miles.
Their total search area to7,700 square miles.
Wow.
So, while this wasn't theoutcome, they were wanting the
experts emphasize that thissearch they're going to continue
, they're not going to stop.
So there's still hope that oneday they will figure out what
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happened to Fred Noonan and hispilot.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Amelia Earhart.
So how do you get funding forthat?
I mean, give me funding, I'llgo fucking.
Look, I have no idea what I'mlooking for, but I'll fucking do
that.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know, maybe they're
independently wealthy, who knows?
Speaker 2 (43:15):
There's got to be some grants or whatever along
those lines that pay the billsfor them to fucking look for a
plane that's almost 90 yearsgone.
I mean, I want to call somebodytomorrow and be like hey man,
I'll do it, Give me some money.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Did you like my sneak ?
Amelia Earhart attack.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah, crazy women pilots Fucking shit up.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I actually said she twice and I'm like she they and
it's funny, I did.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
I did not catch it, I did not clearly pick up on that
.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
I managed okay time I know.
So I heard you have an idiomfor me.
You heard wrong.
Oh, kidding oh all right so I'mgonna drink my 11.1 alcohol
volume.
Fruit punch by beatbox.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Oh my God, please, please, don't, don't beatbox,
don't beatbox.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Oh, my word, let's move on, woosa, all right.
So the idiom I have for youtoday is spill the beans.
Okay, you've heard of thatbefore.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
I have.
I've used it.
Yes, let the cat out of the bagno, we're doing.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Spill the beans.
What the fuck?
Why are you fucking shit upright now?
Drink your drink, woman, allright.
So spill the beans is an idiomthat means to reveal private or
secret information.
For example, you might spillthe beans about a surprise party
.
I'm not going to read theseexamples because they're kind of
dumb.
I thought I was going mightspill the beans about a surprise
party.
I'm not going to read theseexamples because they're kind of
dumb.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
I thought I was going to spill the beans by saying
she referring to the pilot,versus they.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Way to bring it back.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
You're good at some things.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
I'm listening.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I'm listening, I'm SMRT.
The idiom is often used incasual conversation and is not
appropriate in formal context.
Casual conversation and is notappropriate in formal context.
So, basically, you're not goingto be like in a in a corporate
board meeting, being like spillthe beans, tina.
It's like what, um, I don'tknow anyways.
So the the the phrase,originated in the united states
(45:20):
in the early 20th century.
What so?
When is that 1900s?
Anyway?
Good, good, I'm gonna put Ialways.
I always have cricket noises Ialways have to like double check
because it's off by one 20thcentury is the 19th century,
21st century, sorry, it's the1900s, the 21st century is the
(45:43):
2000s like yeah, I have to like,think about it and no remember
that's why I asked you, becauseI fucked that up a couple times
so um, anyways 1900s historiansbelieve the idiom may have come
from an ancient greek votingmethod where beans were used to
cast votes.
Have you?
Ever heard that before sobasically they would have two
different colored beans and twojars, and usually they weren't
(46:05):
clear, they were jars, so youcouldn't see.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
So I'm thinking like black beans and like lima beans,
white beans, Dark kidney beans.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Red kidney beans.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Red kidney beans yeah Making some chili.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got to make my chili again.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Let's do some white navy beans and black beans.
That's what they used, go.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Have you ever had chickpeas which are also
garbanzo?
Speaker 1 (46:28):
beans, yes, but not in a traditional setting.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Someone made a dip with it, or something so in the
band I used to be in, we alwayswanted to um name him album.
Uh, chickpeas in public placesyour album yeah, it would be
chickpeas in public places.
So when I used to visit sarSarah at the grocery, store that
she worked at.
I would go grab a can ofchickpeas and put it in a random
place, anyways.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Why.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Because chickpeas in random places, Anyways.
So where was I?
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Two different kinds of beans for voting in ancient.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Greece, oh yeah.
So basically you would havelike I don't know if they were
colored or they were justliterally just the color of the
beans.
Different beans, yeah, separatethem and you would like be
voting for an office, you wouldput whatever bean you want into
a specific jar and then theywould spill the beans to count
them out.
Basically is what they'resaying.
So that's how they would spillthe beans to count them out.
(47:25):
Basically is what they'resaying.
So that's what the how theywould determine the outcome of
the election.
But uh, they also say to whichI've heard this, and I don't
like this because I always gooff of spill the beans because
that's the one I knew prior tothis but uh, related idiom is
spill the tea, yeah, which a lotof people say these days, these
days, yeah, it's like way over,fucking used these days to be
honest but it also means toreveal secret information.
(47:50):
Uh, but spill the tea is moreclosely associated with gossip,
where spill the beans isbasically when someone
unintentionally gives somethingup.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Okay, sure, sure, so, okay.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
So intentional versus unintentional if I was going to
come to you and be like, well,spill the tea on X, y, z.
Yeah, that means you would giveup the information.
Right or if I said hey, kate,did you hear about this?
I'd be spilling the beansbecause I I unintentionally told
you something I probablyshouldn't have or whatever yeah.
(48:21):
Or I said something and youoverheard it, kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
It's like oh, brad just spilled the beans.
Yeah, so, um, but yeah, sospill the beans.
You, uh, basically give upsecret information or personal
information.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
I like it.
I didn't know it was used forum voting.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah, that's cool, that's where they they think it
came from.
Yeah, um, because literallyback in the day in ancient
Greece they had beans.
So they're like, well, pickwhich color and put it in the
proper vessel, yeah, and thenthey would spill the beans out
and count and see who won.
So Cool, they were used thatfor elections.
(48:59):
I believe they just stoppedusing that.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Do you think they had Beano around back then?
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Beans, beans the magical.
I've said this once already onthe podcast.
I'll stop, Okay.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
What did you think about your pink lemonade beat
box?
Speaker 2 (49:12):
I don't know if it's alcohol talking, but it got
better as it went on.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Are you finished with it?
Speaker 2 (49:17):
I'm empty.
I have none to share.
I apologize, so you finishyours.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
We'll see about that.
Oh, dear I think I maybe havegone through a single serving
out of the three point Threeeight.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Three, eight, so specific.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
I liked it.
I really liked my flavoractually.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I'm curious.
I'll take a sip because I'mcurious to try the flavor of
yours.
I felt like it wasn't very.
I like pink lemonade.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Yeah, which is why I gave that one to you.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, I mean, I'm telling you that I like it.
I really don't, but anyways,I'm kidding Jesus Christ.
No, I like pink lemonade, butinitially it didn't taste like
it at all.
Again, it's probably thealcohol talking got better as it
went on.
I ended up finishing it.
So sorry you don't get to tryit, but you don't also really
(50:10):
care for pink lemonade, right?
Speaker 1 (50:12):
so it's okay.
Um yeah, I would much ratherchoose other drinks or lemonade,
even pink lemonade I would muchrather just have regular
lemonade yeah, that too, eitherway yeah, um vesper really likes
lemonade yeah every time we govisit Grandma she's always like
lemonade.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Okay, vesper, but she knows Grandma always has it
because I always drink it when Igo there.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Yeah, it's kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
But no, it was decent .
I don't think I would go out ofmy way to buy this.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
On a regular basis, but if it was available I
wouldn't say no to it.
Yeah, I'm curious at what otherflavors they have?
Speaker 1 (50:48):
yeah, they had that a blue raspberry and a green
apple, I think.
Is that what that one?
Yeah, I think you're right.
I think there might be one ortwo others oh, I think there's
actually a lot there I believe,if I'm not mistaken, they also
have like zero sugar ones orsomething.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
something like it might not be zero sugar, but
along those lines beatbox dietyo.
Yeah, Get drunk and losecalories.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
I know what it is, what it's whisper beatbox.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Welp.
I suppose, All right, buffoons.
That's it for today's episode.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
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adventure waiting for you.
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have a burning question or awild historical theory for us to
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