February 18, 2025 • 77 mins
Ever botched a brewery's name right in front of the brewer? We did, and it set the stage for a hilarious and heartwarming adventure at Cool City Brewing Company in Two Rivers, Wisconsin. Join us as we meet Ryan, the brewer, and his family, savoring their unexpected Berry Habanero Sour that challenges our palates in the best way possible. And seriously, if you're a pretzel aficionado, wait until you hear about their bar pretzel paired with beer cheese and mustard—let's just say we've found our carb soulmate.
But our journey doesn't stop at hops and grains. We glide seamlessly into the world of art and history, kicking off with some iconic masterpieces like van Gogh's "Starry Night" and Klimt's "The Kiss." We untangle the enigma of the "Mona Lisa," sharing fun tidbits from 1911, the year she captured the world's imagination. Plus, we connect the dots from a listener's family tree to the historical Haymarket Affair. So, whether you're an art lover, a history buff, or just someone who enjoys a good beer and a laugh, there's a tapestry of stories waiting for you.
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Oh hey, there, Hold on.
This doesn't sound right.
I yelled, we're starting thatover.
I yelled that one and I couldeven hear it through yours.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We're keeping that in .
Oh, that was great.
We both inhaled at the sametime to say, oh, hey, there.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Oh, hey there.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Oh hey.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
All right, I got it, I got it.
Yeah about that.
Oh hey, all right, I got to.
Yeah about that.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I am Kate.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
And I am Bradley, and we are the History Buffoons.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
We sure the fuck are.
We're definitely buffooningtoday, oh okay, don't sip yet,
don't sip yet.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Don't sip yet I know, can I not grab it?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yes, you can grab it, but don't sip it.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
but don't sip it, because it's completely open to
us.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Okay, so tell the folks tell the peeps tell the
folks what we got going on here,cause we are carrying glasses
at the moment.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, so we have a.
Well, I have a pint glass, youhave a snow scene glass.
So, kate, um, uh, was that twoa week ago, two weeks ago,
whatever Two weeks ago.
Yeah, was that two a week ago?
Two weeks ago, whatever twoweeks ago?
Yeah, we're looking for, um,some other things for our beer
sampling and we like to try andmix it up and keep it kind of
(01:31):
local if we can, because why not?
She found one, so we went theretoday to pick up some beer to
bring home and it's called coolcity brewing company, not to be
confused with Coal City, whichjust doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Which is what I thought it was called.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
We were like search for.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Coal City.
There's no Coal City.
Oh, it's because it's called.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Cool City.
That was pretty funny so wewent there today.
So it's a little brew pub inTwo Rivers.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Wisconsin.
It's almost like a suburb ofManitowoc Manitowoc yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
And across the street is Lake Michigan.
It's really pretty.
Yeah, all that, yeah, for themost well, maybe a little more
than across the street, but yeah, no, that place was really cool
.
I really liked the place.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Are you saying that Cool City Brewery is cool?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's cool.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Cool, it's cool.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Anyways.
Okay, yes, I am saying CoolCity Brewing Company is cool, it
was pretty cool we got to talkto.
We were there actually prettyearly in the day so there wasn't
a lot of people, which was kindof nice.
Yeah, Because we got to talk toRyan the brewer yes For the
place.
So that was nice to kind ofchat with him for a little bit
(02:48):
and, uh, that pretzel wasdelicious oh my god, yeah, we
bought the pretzel with a beercheese and a like mustard, dijon
mustard type of dip isn't likestone ground.
I don't know I could be wrong.
I'm making shit up in my head,but but that was fucking
delicious.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It was.
It was probably the best beeror bar pretzel I've ever had.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, and uh, no, it was.
It was really cool place we gotto talk to, like I said, the
brewer and the his wife wasthere working on stuff and their
kids, their kids were runningaround had two, two little ones
there.
So that was.
It was pretty cool.
So, uh, we.
He gave us a sample of this.
Yes, and we're like we need todo this on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Okay, so he wrote it down on the crawler.
Is that what it's called?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Crawler yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Crawler.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
So it's like a growler but a can.
Yeah, but it's the beach.
Bear berry habanero sour.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Berry habanero yeah, I am not a habanero.
Yeah, I am not a habanero.
Jalapeno, green pepper, redpepper, yellow pepper, chili
pepper I'm not any of thepeppers fans.
It's just not something that Iwas ever really into.
I don't like spice, really.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You're also not much of a sour person either.
I'm not, you don't mind them.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
And this is a little sour, it's a little spicy, and,
goddamn, I asked to mind them.
And this is a little sour, it'sa little spicy, and goddamn, I
asked to buy this.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yes, this was your choice, it was, which I am
perfectly good with.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
So cheers, so cheers to you, it is.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
It is different.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
It is delicious and it is unique and there's a
little spice right at the endbut the front end is berry, it's
, it's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I took a sip literally multiple seconds ago
and I'm getting that heat on theback end.
Still it's great, I really likeit.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I really like it as well so.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I don't.
I don't think I've ever hadanything.
I've had sours before.
I like sours, but I don't goout of my way for them.
I don't.
I've never had one like this.
And this is really delicious,super unique.
I had to even buy a pint glasscause it was cool.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah.
So what else did we?
Do you remember what else wegot in?
So you got a four pack ofsomething.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, oh, that's right, I forgot about that.
That was an IPA.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
An IPA.
I got that, and I got anothercrowler oh, the Hells, hells,
hellsner, hells, hellis Lager,hellis, yeah, hellis Lager.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Which.
You've tried a Hellis Lager onour podcast before.
I think you'll like this onebetter, yeah, so oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
We got a flight today to kind of narrow down what we
wanted to try today.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
And this, this Barry Habanero, wasn't even part of
our flight.
He just gave us a little sample, which is great yeah yeah, and
then um, so we had the sample,so we bought that, and then part
of our four flight for umsample flight.
Yeah, I bought the helles yepand then you chose something
completely different and you gotan.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
IPA.
I got a pale ale and an IPA,and then you also got the
Pilsner as well.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, oh my gosh, I'm telling you it was a great vibe
inside.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
It was.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I liked that the brewer was really fun and
entertaining and reallyknowledgeable.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And engaging yeah.
So that was nice yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
And his wife was super engaging and their kids
were funny yeah and um.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Their beers are amazing and I want to go back.
I want to go back there too.
I definitely want to, uh, trysome more of their food too,
because they have like tacoflights and stuff and they have
the football flight oh my so.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Football flight of 20 samples.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
They have 20 taps in this place.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And so usually most people Al you know what I'm
talking about when you get aflight, they usually have like a
little board that they set eachone and they write the number
down.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
They literally have a board with it was made out of.
It looks like old pipes andthey painted them, but they look
like Fugles.
On either side of the board Oneither side, and then it
literally has a spot for everysingle tap they have, which is
20.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
And he said if you do the 20 flight, you get the
pretzel for free.
Which we didn't do because itwas early.
It was too early for a 20 thingflight, but that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
That thing flight, but that's pretty cool.
Yeah, that was.
That's pretty neat.
I've not seen that before I'venever seen that 20.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
A flight of 20 yeah, that's insane that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I've seen four.
I was like we did today.
I've seen five.
I've seen six.
I've seen a few.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, um but never 20 .
Speaker 1 (07:16):
No, so that was unique and actually like
thinking back to the wholereason why.
I know I like ipas and paleales is like is my my go-to
style is my dad and I did aflight in frisco, colorado, um,
at this old brewery.
I don't think it's thereanymore, I think it, um, I think
it's gone, but it's called, uhum, backcountry brewery, at
(07:37):
least it was, if it's stillthere and I did, we did a flight
there of that and I had sampledevery one of his beers and I
I'm like, ooh, I like that one.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Have you ever thought of owning your own brewery,
just in an offshoot fantasy, ohyeah.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
You have, have you thought?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
of what you would name your brewery.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Oh no, I guess I never actually thought of a name
.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
You never got that far.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
No, no, my, like my, I had aspirations of owning like
a place like that where we weretoday, or multiple other places
we can name a bunch but a nicerestaurant with a brewery
attached to it, I've, I'vewanted to own that.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Oh, and this place serves coffee.
Like they're open at 6am andserve coffee as well.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
They have a drive-thru, which is wild.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I know, I know it was a really cool place.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, it's quite different.
It'd be nice to go there whenit's nicer weather out, because
they have garage doors they openthat looks like to a patio and
stuff.
So we'll have to definitely goback and then go back again and
check it out, and again, andagain.
I could definitely see usvisiting this place multiple
times, because it was reallycool.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
So I have a question for you what's visiting this
place multiple times?
Because it was really cool, soso I have a question for you.
What's your question?
We're kind of switching it from, like, the artistic beer making
okay to actual works of art, ohyeah, so do you have any type
of like style, specific works orartists that you you actually
(09:03):
really really enjoy?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
like looking at my favorite piece of art is starry
night by.
I was a van gogh right yeah,that was van gogh um, that is
very like.
When I look at that it makes melike happy kind of oh really,
yeah, I love, I love that pieceof art and I've had I use it as
(09:25):
a background on my computer inthe past.
I mean I just I really like, Ilike how it looks.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
So that's pretty cool .
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, that that would .
That's my favorite piece of artthat.
I've ever, that I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, is there anything else that, like you,
kind of think of?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Oh boy.
Um, I mean, you always think ofart and you go to you know like
Mona Lisa and all that stuff.
But I don't mind it, but I'drather look at Starry Night,
kind of thing.
Do you want to?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
know what mine is.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, of course I do.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I really like the painting called the Kiss by
Gustav Klimt.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I'll kind of show you the picture here, if it comes
up.
I'm sure you've seen this Idon't know if gustav klimt the,
the kiss I don't know if I everhave it's all very yellow, very
like patchwork, sure, um, but II really enjoy the Kiss.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Where is he from?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Vienna, oh nice.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Perhaps, perhaps that's potentially where he's
from.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Okay, we're not actually going to talk about
Starry Night or the Kiss byKlimt.
I kind of figured that um, weare actually, surprisingly
enough, going to talk about themona lisa oh, look at that yeah
good thing I brought it up yeah,yeah.
So so this, the mona lisa by uhda vinci da vinci, leonardo da
(11:02):
vinci, it's a piece of artwork,that artwork that is considered
the most known, the most visited, the most written about, the
most duplicated painting in theworld.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, I mean, there's literally a movie called Mona
Lisa Smile.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It's with Julia Roberts.
Yeah, it's a great movie.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Is it?
I've never seen it.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
It is, I like it.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
And there's some really great like 1950s ish um
music in it, which I also reallylike okay, yeah, excellent.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So we're not going to talk about, like, quite just
the painting.
We're actually going to talkabout a period in time okay when
the mona lisa actually shot tofame.
Sure, okay, so I'm going togive a kind of a brief
background on the painting andthen we're going to jump to the
year 1911.
Ooh, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Did you know that we keep bringing up 1911?
No, so yeah, tell me 1911, ifI'm not mistaken, that's the
year Baba Venga was born.
Wow, I don't remember any ofthat.
And it's also because duringthat episode I said, oh, it's
the same year Reagan was born,was it?
Yeah, so it's funny how 1911apparently has popped up a
(12:12):
couple times in our podcast.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
In our short podcast life.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Just like Illinois.
This doesn't take place inIllinois does it?
It does not, Thank goodness.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
It takes place in France and in Italy.
I know, okay, not, thankgoodness.
It takes place in france and initaly, I know, okay, so so the
whole purpose of this podcastwas for me to remember shit, and
I don't remember that, andspeaking of that, uh, I'm gonna
set my mouth on fire withanother drink while you speak uh
, we gotta shout out, uh, uh,our friend Tara.
(12:42):
Oh, yes, okay, Hold please.
Cause I gotta go like look upthe story now.
That's okay, that was inHaymarket, that back end.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yes, it's.
I liked the little burn it'sgot.
It's really, really subtle.
It's subtle, but I can feel it,I know, and it it's really
really subtle.
It's subtle, but I can feel it,I know, and it almost like
builds, as you're like just kindof talking and sitting here.
I really enjoy it.
But yeah, we wanted to makesure we did this before we
forget.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Okay, so our friend Tara, so she listened to our
episode on the Haymarket Affair.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yep it was called Antichrist and I'd like to
reiterate it's because of theslip of the tongue on your part
saying anarchist, I was supposedto say anarchist and I said
Antichrist, anyways.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Anyway.
So she texted me in the middleof her listening to the episode
and she said so, you talkedabout Governor Oglesby.
Yeah, that is my great, great,great grandfather which is just
wild.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
It's like holy shit, that is so funny so.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So, governor oglesby, yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
However, it's pronounced.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
We apologize so he was the one that decided whether
the um, the men who was a, whowere arrested for the
quote-unquote riot and thebombing um of the labor union
rallies, right, he was the onethat decided whether they would
live or die.
Essentially, exactly yeah, so,um, so that's who he was, um he.
(14:27):
He was, um the one thatremember what it was like to be
an abolitionist yep, but thenrealized that the laws were
really strict and otherabolitionists could have been
hanged too.
So in the end, he ended uppardoning a couple of the men
who were arrested that werestill alive in prison.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yes, so that was him, and so that was pretty awesome
yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So it's kind of cool that we have a kind of a
personal tie to even a storythat we did, that we had no idea
, obviously, and it's just likeoh hey, that was my.
How many greats, Great, great,great grandfather Is that?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
what she said.
So, either way, yeah, I'm sorryif tara, if we got that wrong
but yeah um, that's prettyfantastic yeah, yeah I just like
the the little bit personaltouch yes, and thank you, tara,
for for telling us, becausethat's pretty cool yeah, and
because obviously we had no ideaso that's pretty awesome yeah,
it just happened to be in anepisode of something that we
talked about, so anyways allright back to the mona lisa
(15:23):
yeah okay, so the mona lisa waspainted by leonardo da vinci.
Yes, and it was around theyears 1503 to 1506.
It actually took him a reallylong time to quote unquote
finish this painting, okay andwasn't this more like a
self-portrait that he thenaltered?
No, oh no, so this painting wasactually of a sitter named Lisa
(15:44):
Del Giocondo.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
So she was an actual person.
Oh, lisa Del Giocondo, she wasborn.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Lisa, oh, lisa, yeah, I know her.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
She was born Lisa Garadini on June 15th 1479.
That's wild.
She was an Italian noblewomanfrom Florence and Tuscany.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
She was born 500 years before me.
Yes, that's fucking wild.
She was an Italian noblewomanfrom Florence and Tuscany.
She was born 500 years beforeme.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yes, that's fucking wild.
And her life was actuallyrelatively ordinary.
Okay Okay, she married a clothand silk merchant in her teens.
She had six children and shelived a relatively comfortable
life Okay, children and shelived a relatively comfortable
life, okay, um, and despite herunremarkable life, her legacy
(16:29):
was obviously secured with thiscommissioned painting.
It was commissioned by herhusband oh really yes I didn't
realize that was ever directlyto leonardo da vinci I didn't
realize that was ever acommission piece yes, yes that's
wild so back then leonardo davinci's um lack of income around
the spring of 1503, may havelike contributed to his interest
(16:53):
in painting this privateportrait okay um so the work.
However, while he was in themiddle of painting it, he was
interrupted um and actuallycommissioned to paint the battle
of anghiari, and it wascontractually obligated for him
(17:13):
to complete it by february 1505so this is the painting of the
battle of anghiari I've seenthat before can you describe it
briefly?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I mean it's hard from how far away I am, but it looks
like a lot of horses and peopleriding them.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
And colors like there's a lot of reds Very
vibrant, nice mix of colors.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I think I've seen that painting before.
At least it looks familiar,maybe not.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So lots of reds horses and they're all kind of
like intermixed and fightingeach other.
So that was the Battle.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Battle of anghiari and he was contractually
obligated to finish that by 15051505, yes, so by 1506.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Leonardo still considered the mona lisa
painting to be unfinished, so,like many, many years, okay,
okay, so he actually neverreceived payment for the
portrait and he never deliveredit to the husband who
commissioned it.
Wow, yeah, so it was just mesaying, hey, I want this done,
(18:17):
can you do this for me?
You say yes, and then it justnever exchanged hands in any way
okay um.
So he kept the painting withhim throughout his life, and he
potentially finished it later infrance, around 1516.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Oh wow, so that's just according to some estimates
like it's not quite it's notknown for sure yeah, but that's
a guesstimate of when heprobably did that.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yes, okay, gotcha so the title of the painting
translates to my Lady Lisa.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
My Lady Lisa.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Mona is technically spelled with two Ns M-O-N-N-A,
really Mm-hmm, and that is partof the Italian writing of Mona.
Oh, but there's another Italianname for the painting.
Okay, and that is part of theItalian writing of Mona.
Oh, but there's another Italianname for the painting.
Okay, it's called La Gioconda,which means jocund, or jocund,
(19:16):
which means happy or jovial.
Oh, or literally the jovial one.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Okay.
In French, the title is LaGioconda or La Gioconda Okay,
which has the same meaning.
Okay, sure, so when people aretalking about the Mona Lisa in
English, it's Mona Lisa inFrench is La Gioconda, in
Italian it's La Gioconda.
So you said it has part of mewith my like verbiage and yeah,
(19:42):
that's okay.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, so is.
So is um.
I've only ever seen it with onen yes, because that's the
english version.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
That's the english way, oh so okay, so the french
and so there was an italian monalisa right m-o-nN-A, but they
traditionally kind of call itthe La Gioconda.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
So that's the name.
They refer to it as yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
And we call it the English, call it the Mona Lisa
Gotcha.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yes, okay, okay, that makes more sense.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Okay, so the painting was kept at the Palace of
Fontainebleau, fontainebleau.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Fontainebleau.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Fontainebleau, fontainebleau, bleh.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Until.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Louis XIV moved it to the Palace of Versailles.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Or remained until the French Revolution.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Okay, wow.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
And then in 1797, it went on permanent display at the
Louvre.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
The Louvre.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
The English say Louvre, the Italians say the
Louvre.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
What are you?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I am.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
English.
Okay, say it the English way.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
But I'm fancy Louvre, but I'm fancy.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Well, are you, though ?
I mean, who are we kidding?
I thought this was abouthistory and not lies.
Fuck off, drink more.
Okay, twist my habanero Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
So now we're going to jump to 1911, right.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
The Louvre Right Fancy Was not popular.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
No, I always liked the line in the Da Vinci Code
movie.
I'm trying to blank on theguy's name.
Really a good actor.
I like him.
He's French.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
The French guy yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
He's great.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I'm sad that I don't know his name either, but he's
so sad that I can't remember hisname.
I know because he's fromgodzilla.
He's from the movie godzillawith matthew broderick yes, I
saw that in the theater matthewbroderick reminds me of my dad.
For some reason I'm not surewhy.
Yeah, okay, fair enough, um,anyways.
So I'm gonna get the line.
It's not.
I won't say a word for it, I'mjust drawing a blank.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I know how it's actually said, but he's like
because they have the bigpyramid at the louis yes and
he's like a stain on the face ofparis or whatever he says, like
a plague on the face of paris.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, it's like oh man, how much do you hate this
place it was just I think it wasjust the pyramid.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
They they didn't like the modern look of the pyramid,
which I can understand yeah,okay, anyway that was fiction,
okay so 1911 the loop was notpopular, okay, and there was no
fee to get in either.
Oh really, yeah, oh wow, andsecurity was fairly lacking oh,
(22:20):
so are we talking about when itgot stolen we're talking about
when the mona lisa got stolen,because I are talking about when
the Mona Lisa got stolen CauseI knew that happened.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I was going to mention it before, I just didn't
get around to it.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yes, so the guards were generally like pensioners
or retired soldiers who had areputation for falling asleep
while on the job.
God Wow.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
And the Mona Lisa was displayed with other paintings
of the Italian Renaissanceperiod.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
And actually in the building.
Many other paintings were worthtwice as much as the Mona Lisa
at this time.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, so it was also really common in that area for
art academies to go to theLouvre, as students were
expected to regularly visitpaintings and then actually copy
their works to learn from theseworks.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
So they would like bring in their easels and their
paints and their paintbrushesand set up shop in front of
these like masterpieces.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
That's wild.
Could you imagine like back?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
in that time frame, like 1900s, early 1900s.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Like well, I'm gonna go copy whatever painting I'm
gonna go copy dogs playing cardsI'm pretty sure that was out in
1911 actually, yeah, um I guessit would be dogs playing poker.
But yeah, yes but uh, like yeah, just setting up your reason,
like all right, you know, it'sjust that I couldn't even.
(23:45):
I wish I was more artistic thatway Same.
You're pretty creative, thoughyou do come up with some cool
stuff.
I am not that way at all.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
You're creative in how you edit our podcast.
Oh thanks.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
That means a lot, jesus Christ, all right.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Okay, so there was also the development of
photography.
Yes, so artists had this newtool of studying and documenting
these artworks throughphotography.
So, while painting from theoriginal was still considered
valuable, photography allowedartists to capture details and
compositions more easily.
Sure, and potentially reducingthe need for to spend long hours
(24:27):
in these galleries with aneasel.
Right, nice, yeah, okay.
So august 21st 1911 was amonday it was okay yes, it was a
monday, and that is that isimportant, because, oh the
because the Louvre was closedthis day.
Oh yes, habanera.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Habanera, oh dear.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
That's staying in.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Wow, that's habanera.
I don't know if you noticedthis, but a lot of times when
you burp on the podcast, Ispecifically leave those in
because they're funny to me.
Oh yeah, I've noticed.
Okay, good, I don't think inbecause they're funny to me.
Oh yeah, I've noticed.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Okay, good, I don't think Al needs to hear my burps.
Well, I mean, nobody needs tohear your burps, I'm sure my mom
misses them.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Okay, there you go, Mom.
So this Monday, the Louvre wasclosed.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
There was only a skeleton crew working, so do you
have?
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Do you have, a reason why they were closed?
Are they just closed on Mondays, or was there a specific reason
why they were closed?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I think they were just closed on Mondays.
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I was curious Cause like why yeah, yeah, okay?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
So the museum's maintenance director would make
a daily round throughout thegallery.
So his early morning rounds wasapproximately seven, seven, 15,
seven, 30, somewhere aroundthere.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Okay 730,.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
He's like walking through these galleries.
Everything seems in tip-topform, everything is exactly how
it should be.
Yep, he walked through thegalleries and saw Mona Lisa
hanging on the wall.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Okay, it is there.
So this is at 730?
.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
In the morning.
Okay, it's there on the wall830,.
He comes back.
Mona Lisa is gone An hour laterand it was gone.
It was gone.
Holy shit.
All that was left on thesewalls.
And this Mona Lisa issurrounded by other paintings at
this time Right, so it's justlike a blank spot on a wall full
of paintings.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So very noticeable, and this is obviously well
before security cameras and shitlike that, exactly.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
All that was left on the wall were four iron hooks.
Okay, wow, and iron hooks comesinto play a little bit later,
oh it does Okay.
So immediately the maintenancedirector was like that's weird.
No, it's not weird.
Actually it's either beingphotographed or cleaned, or
(26:49):
cleaned or repaired.
He thought nothing of it.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
So he just like shrugged his shoulders and kept
on walking.
Exactly, what a fucking idiot.
It was just another day in theLouvre, I mean.
I guess I can see why his mindwould go there, that's what was
standard.
Yeah, so why would he questionit?
But I don't know.
It seems like you should have alittle more track and like hey,
this is getting clean this day,blah, blah, blah exactly or
whatever the case might be,whatever the case, yeah because
(27:15):
why would it be photographed?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
closed that day but that would be the time when it
would be, wouldn't you think?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I mean, I could see the louvre is closed.
This is the time to take thephotographs, or this is the time
to take the paintings off thewall and photograph it or repair
it or clean it before thepublic comes I can understand
the repairing, the cleaning onthe day off, but I guess it
depends on who's you knowphotographing it they would
probably need a dark room atthis time, like yeah.
Wow, that's an hour later andit was gone yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, so it was missing for 24 hours One day.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Until it was reported missing.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Oh, so it was gone for 24 hours and you're like,
hey, we can't find this fuckingpainting.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Oh, wow, so a local artist of the time yeah, I
didn't write his name downbecause it's really not
necessary, but he was fairlypopular in recreating famous
paintings and selling them, sure, as recreations.
Okay, so he came into thegallery on that tuesday to paint
the mona lisa hey.
Yeah, he's like where the heckis it?
(28:29):
I want to paint this and sellit to my tourist.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Right yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
And so he's like, okay, like he had his easel and
he had his paints, and he's likeI just came to a blink wall
Like where the heck is this MonaLisa Right?
So he goes to a snoozingsecurity guard, oh my God.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
And hey, hey, I'm sorry to wake you on your job.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Where's the painting?
Is it like?
Where is it?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
When's it coming back ?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
And the guard went to the photographer's studio in
the museum and they're all likeIDK, I don't know, we don't have
it.
And they're all like idk, Idon't know, we don't have it.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And they're all like um, george, have you seen it?
No, bill, I have no idea whereit is.
What the hell wow?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
so they set up the alarms about time, do they just?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
start going.
What the hell?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Wow so they set up the alarms Bell time.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Did they just start going wee, wee, wee Anyways?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Okay, so then we have Deputy Director George.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Benedict, one more time I was trying to be Italian.
Did it work?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
No, George Italian Did it work?
No, george Benedict.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Did he work at the Louvre?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
So George Benedict was notified of the missing
painting.
With him and the skeleton crewthey went through floor by floor
, room by room, searching forthis painting.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
How many floors are in the Louvre?
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I actually don't.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
The Louvre has been added on throughout the years so
many times it's been expanded alot.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, A lot.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Like.
It is impressive how much theLouvre has expanded.
It used to be a palace, it wasan office, it was-.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Really yes, oh wow.
It was a whole bunch of thingsI don't remember.
I know Sarah went to Europe.
Was it her senior year, shit?
I don't remember.
No, I might be getting thesedetails wrong, but I know she
went to a few different places.
I think she went there.
I believe I'll have to ask heragain.
I'm drawing a blank and mightbe getting this wrong, but I'm
(30:47):
almost positive she went to theLouvre.
So every time I think of theLouvre, I just think of Eurotrip
.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Eurotrip Error, error Error.
If you know.
You know Robot fight.
Okay, so this painting isperhaps hidden somewhere, or it
was just never put back aftercleaning for some weird reason?
Yeah, because who would hide it, right?
So several hours later, thedeputy director actually found
(31:13):
the frame that the painting wasin and the glass protective
casing that it was in.
Right, it was found in theservant's staircase.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, the plot thickens, and that's when it was
confirmed.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
It was gone.
Interesting, interesting.
Yeah, the plot thickens, andthat's when it was confirmed.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
It was gone the.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Mona Lisa Was stolen.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Was stolen.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
That's wild.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
And was it Okay?
Oh, chris Frobo, you're goingto get to this, I know, but I'm
just going to ask the questionout loud right now.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Oh, you have a lot of faith in me.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
If you don't have this fucking detail, then what
are we doing?
How long was it gone for total?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
oh, I will tell you.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yes, I do have that information good, that was part
of your research score for kate.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Okay, about time.
So at this time, mona lisa,mona Lisa, her fame skyrockets.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Because it was missing.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
And her like the insurance on her.
The pricelessness of her, thecultural impact, the historical
impact that we know of her, ofthis painting, was because of
this moment in history.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
That's wild because, like, obviously we've come long
after this, so like to us alwaysbeen always been popular, super
famous, it's like yeah if notthe most, one of the most
popular paintings in the worldyes, and it is because of this
that's crazy okay I guess Inever really realized that.
I know, I knew it was stolen.
Yes, I've known this again, notthe details, but I knew of this
(32:45):
story.
But the fact that this actuallyskyrocketed its popularity is
just wild.
Yes, so all right, continue,yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
So that's gross.
The theft is what made this.
I'm so sorry.
I need you to burp at least oneof these times on this podcast.
Okay, how often do I burp?
I don't know.
Jesus Christ, it's a bur.
At least one of these times onthis podcast.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
How often do I burp?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
It's a burp epidemic.
I'm sorry, beer seriously makesme burp.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I think different styles like this type, like a
sour is certainly affecting youa lot more, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Talk to me when I'm having Medela, because I don't
agree.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Go grab one.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
The museum called one person the chief inspector
lewis lapine.
Who's that?
He is the prefect of police infrance.
He is the sherlock holmes atthis time.
Okay, he has an ironcladreputation gotcha, gotcha
(33:46):
Reputation Okay.
He is very famous, he is verygood, he is very just.
He's Sherlock Holmes, okay,okay.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Sure, he's that Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
He came to the Louvre with a team of 60 policemen.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Holy balls Really.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
This is considered an insult to the french.
Why?
Because this is the.
The mona lisa is theirs at thispoint oh, sure it belongs in
the louvre.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
It is now a disgrace yeah, because like, where the
fuck is it?
Yes, it is a disgrace.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
So lapine also wasn't the only one that knew what
happened.
The theft was already makingheadlings in all the newspapers
including in the the americasokay, so telegrams radios it
spread, quickly it spreadquickly for the time
sure yes, it traveled around theworld in a matter of hours,
(34:42):
which is now in a matter ofseconds, right?
Like now would be seconds backthen it was a matter of hours,
right?
So one of the funniest thingswas the washington post printed
a picture of the stolen painting, but it wasn't the right
painting.
No, they printed something elseentirely, thinking that was the
mona lisa.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
That is how unknown this painting was that's wild to
think about.
Yes, you mentioned to anybodymy son might not know because
he's six, but anybody of acertain age they know exactly
what you're talking about.
Yes, the fact that it was sounknown.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
The Washington Post printed a completely different
kind of painting.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Wow isn't that crazy, that is crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, that's kind of funny so one of the biggest
things that lapine had to figureout was when exactly the
painting was stolen.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
So they kind of narrowed it down right, I mean
they probably focus on that hourexactly.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
the guy went by he actually interviewed the entire
staff just to see who was thelast one to witness it on the
walls, which he understood wasthe maintenance director, right,
and he said that he saw thepaintings during his rounds at
around 730.
Yep, and then at 835, a littlebit more specific 835, he
noticed the picture was goneRight.
So Lopin now knows that timeframe.
(36:05):
Yep, that hour time frame is oneon one missing yes, now another
person shows up to beinterviewed a plumber so he sees
a man in a stairwell it wasn'tsaid what stairwell, just in a
stairwell next to a locked door.
He was like sitting on thesteps next to a locked door.
Sure and this wascoincidentally the same
(36:28):
stairwell where the frame andthe um glass casing I kind of
figured that might be the caseso the plumber notices the
doorknob of this door wasmissing.
Oh, but it was still locked.
So the doorknob and the log aretwo separate entities, right,
yeah, correct like a deadboltand a handle.
Yeah, yeah so the plumber askedthe man sitting in the stairs
(36:50):
like do you know what's going onhere?
Are we missing a doorknob?
and the man was like I have noidea, I just got here myself, I
don't know what's going on rightso the plumber who had keys to
this building took out his keys,he unlocked the door, walked
through this exit and thenrelocked it after him
(37:11):
interesting okay, so man isstill in the staircase at this
point okay, okay he did notfollow the guy through, right?
Okay, so with this information,lapine now has to find like who
this man is, right?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
a lead a lead.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Um, it's really still not a lot to go on witness
testimony is not reliable at allnever is especially if you talk
to me well, you forgeteverything.
So but after, even after 24hours, the plumber really
couldn't give any kind ofindication of what this man
looked like.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
He was just another staff member.
Yeah, because at that point Isaw a person, that's literally
all it is.
I can't tell you his eye color,his hair color, whatever.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
No, I wasn't paying that close attention, because
why would I need to?
Speaker 1 (37:58):
You didn't need to at the time.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
So, lapine, he's a man of science, he's forward
thinking, he's a pioneer, he's apioneer, he is one of the first
policemen in the world to usefingerprinting as a means of
identification.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Okay, isn't that cool ?
Yeah, because that's reallywhen it started getting kind of
popular yes and realize that itcould be a actual thing of, yes,
importance so lapina's likeokay, this is new this this
thief is gonna be an idiot.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
He's foolish.
He doesn't know what it takesto not leave fingerprints behind
.
He doesn't know he needs towear gloves.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
He's got to leave behind fingerprints well,
because most people didn'trealize that because it was such
a new technology.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, so dun dun, dun .
He left a fingerprint.
He left a fingerprint behind onthe glass casing.
Okay, okay, but they don't knowwhich finger oh yeah, so it
could have been a the sciencewasn't that sophisticated, yeah
(39:00):
well, I mean it was, it was inproduction.
So they had all these likecriminal identity cards with all
fingerprints and I think therewas like 750 000 cards, god, and
they tried to go through eachand every one to figure out if
(39:21):
this single fingerprint matchedany of the 10 fingerprints per
card and and that's the thing,because back then, like today,
they feed it through a computerand it can pick the points they
literally had to, like what alittle magnifying yes, glass cup
thing that they used to put onthem to look at it yes they
would have to match it by eyeand like that takes fucking.
(39:44):
And that's not even accurate.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
No, because that's literally just yep, that looks
right, yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Wow.
So Lapine the Greatest noticedthat the painting had been taken
out of the frame verydelicately, Sure, and he's like
it must have been someone whoknew how to do that properly.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Without causing any damage.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Well, because there was care taken in it?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
yes, there was it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Uh, I'm gonna steal that and just rip it out.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Exactly, they wanted it in good condition so he feels
like the pool of villains hasgone down drastically because
he's like it's got to be someonewho knows what they're doing I
love how you call it the pool ofvillains.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I think that's the name of the episode, unless you
come up with something betterthat's the name of the episode,
Unless you come up withsomething better.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
that's the name of the episode.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
So anyways.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
So Lapine, he was kind of like a hoity-toity
upperclassman kind of a guy,kind of snobbish.
He thought the person who didthis was extremely smart,
extremely coercive and veryupper-middle class.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
And I'm guessing he was wrong.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I will get to that.
But that's what Lapine was like.
He was trying to be allcriminal minds about it, sure.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Hey, you like that show.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
I do and be all like.
This is the profile of whowe're talking about.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Okay, sure, sure.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
So this detective man of science?
He actually tested how long itwould take for two policemen to
take a mock-up mona lisa and,like on the wall, get it down
and take it off of yeah and takeit off, just even take it off
the wall sure, sure with theseiron brackets.
It took them five minutes, twopolicemen, to get the mona lisa
(41:24):
fake mona off the wall.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
And that's two people .
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yes.
So then he had a museum workerwho was familiar with the layout
and all that.
Yeah, he had him.
Hey, come up here, take downthis painting for me.
I want to see how long it takesyou.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Five seconds.
Oh so with that knowledge, heprobably it's an inside job.
Huzzah, right, huzzah, that'san aggressive huzzah.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
We've narrowed down the pool of villains.
It had to have been an employeeor a former employee.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
I mean, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Ideally right.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
That would make sense , why that would be your
direction to go, because you andI go in there.
Hey, take this painting down.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Without ruining anything.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Oh fuck, pick a painting you don't care about
because this shit's gettingfucked up, yeah.
Or obviously you work there,you you've, especially at that
timeframe.
I'm sure things are differentnowadays, but you know how to
take it down.
It's like yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yeah, this is exactly how you take it down.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
That would clearly eliminate a lot of people.
So it's either, like you said,a current employee or a former
employee that worked at theLouvre.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
So that narrows it down to 256 of current employees
.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Oh there was that many there and they were all
going to get fingerprinted, sureMakes sense oh, there was that
many there and they were allgoing to get fingerprinted?
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Sure, makes sense, one by one.
A painstaking process, but noone matched the fingerprint on
the glass.
Okay, okay, so they widened thesearch.
Okay, sure, so people who usedto be employed at or for the
Louvre Okay, okay, so entersubcontractors the Gobié firm.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Gobié firm Mm-hmm Okay.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
They made wait for it , the protective glass casings
for the paintings.
Oh, that was their job.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
So they were commissioned to make these glass
paintings.
Sure, so at one point there wasa piece of art that got
vandalized, and so that's whenthey hired the Gobier firm to
like To start putting this glasspanels on the painting.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
So the firm gave Lapine a list of about five
people who worked in the samegallery hall as where the Mona
Lisa was hung.
All right, all five were calledinto questioning and one
no-called, no-showed.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I wonder why.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
No, no show he's like um how suspicious.
I gotta go hide that yeah, sothe man who didn't show up was
29 year old vincenzo perugiaokay, vincenzo, yes he was born
in a very small village in theAlps of Italy, near the border
of Switzerland, in 1881.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
I was going to say that's a very Italian name.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
So he was a migrant from Italy and he was incredibly
low class.
He was very, very poor and hehad a criminal record.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Oh dear.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Things are not stacking up.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Good for Vincenzo, oh , but wait, yes, things are not
stacking up.
Good for Vincenzo, oh, but wait.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
So Lepine noticed that he had been arrested once
for threatening a sex workerwith a knife.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
And once for theft.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
So Lepine, who was, like I said before, he was an
upper middle class snob.
He saw Perugia's background andwas like nah, let's go.
No, he was like.
Not this idiot.
Oh, because he wasn'tsophisticated enough, exactly.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yes, that's right, because you had said that okay,
yes, he was like now, so hediscounted.
See, that's, that's wild that'swild I'm sorry you have to
still fucking count this guy,but he's like no, he couldn't
have been that smart to do thisexactly.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Wow, he was not sophisticated enough to pull
this off.
He wasn't traveled, he wasn'tworldly, he wasn't educated, he
wasn't wealthy and he wasn't aconnoisseur of renaissance work
wow, that's wild, that's whattheir prejudice was yeah but
they did track him down anywayhe'd kind of be a fool not to
(45:20):
right.
So a week after the theft, okay,lapine sent a like junior
attack detective to perugia'sapartment.
So this guy, he travels upseveral flights of stairs,
enters his apartment and perugiahe is, this small framed
italian man with a big likebushy mustache a mustache a
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mustache like a big mustacheyeah yeah, his apartment was a 9
by 13 room oh, my word, thatwas it.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
So I had like a toilet in the corner, a bed and
then maybe a couch probably noteven the toilet, but yeah, oh
yeah, a studio it was it was astudio do you have a bucket?
Speaker 2 (45:59):
you know what?
This is not part of my research, so we're gonna move on.
So he's got a bed.
He's got a small table.
He's got some chairs.
He's got a bed.
He's got a small table.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
He's got some chairs.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
He's got a trunk, not much else, right?
So during the interview,perugia said that he was at work
at the Garbier firm.
Okay, all day, alibi, okay,sure, alibi, yeah, I believe you
100%.
So the junior detective tookthat as fact, but he did do a
small search of Perugia'sapartment.
He found nothing, okay, okay.
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So two weeks after the theft,the newspapers, who were hearing
nothing from the police orLapine Lapine wasn't saying
anything about the investigationthey started to come up with
their own plan.
Oh geez, they wanted to restoreFrance's reputation and pride
by seeing this to an end.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
So they created their own reward for information on
the theft.
Oh really 50,000 francs, whichis over a million pounds today.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Holy crap.
Huge.
I mean, yeah, that's, oh,that's huge.
What is it?
Huge, okay, just making sure Iheard that right.
Huge Okay, Okay, stop.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
The results were immediate.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
Well, yeah, because that's I want A significant Huge
.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
I'm not afraid Jesus.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Christ, let's move on from huge.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
So a man comes forward and he actually writes a
letter he doesn't visually comein.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Oh, so he wrote them a letter and sent it to them.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Yes, and he says it's actually not that hard to steal
from the Louvre, because I'vedone it oh.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
He says I have stolen Iberian statues and I had to
look up Iberian because I havenot heard that, what is that?
But it's of Spain or Portugalheritage.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
I didn't statues and I had to look up Iberian because
I have not heard that.
What is that?
But it's of.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Spain or Portugal heritage?
I didn't know that.
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yeah, iberian without the S, siberian without the S
and not as cold.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
And this guy says I have stolen these statues and
I've actually sold them.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Oh shit, Really yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
And he sold them to an up-and-coming painter.
Okay, can you guess who thatpainter was, knowing that it was
an iberian statue from spainand portugal?
Can you guess who this painterwas that purchased these stolen
statues?
Speaker 1 (48:16):
picasso, pablo, picasco, baby did you know he
lived to like 1974?
No, something like that, noyeah that's not part of my
research why would it be?
Speaker 2 (48:28):
pablo picasso purchased these stult.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yes, yes bradley, his hand is raised.
Do I get points?
Speaker 2 (48:35):
yes, go get yourself another beer, hold, please, hold
please and we're back.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Thanks for waiting.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
And what'd you get?
Speaker 1 (48:45):
I got a summer shandy Very good, a lot different from
what we just had.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
A good go-to, though it's a classic, but isn't that
insane Pablo Picasso all of asudden just comes on the scene.
Yeah, actually.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
so the detectives went to Picasso's house his home
To see if he actually had thesestatues.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Well to see if he potentially had the painting the
Mona Lisa.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Why would he think that though?
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Because he's already purchased stolen goods.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Known stolen goods, so maybe this guy purchased the
painting as well.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yes, so they went, they found these Iberian statues
in Picasso's home.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Did they take them back?
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yes, so Picasso actually used those statues as
inspiration for one of hispaintings.
Which painting it's called theYoung Ladies of Avignon.
Huh, and I'm going to show youwhat it looks like.
Okay, and I will probably putthis on social media, media, but
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I don't want it to be confusedwith like them, you know, like
who, who we're really who we'reactually talking about.
Right, right, right but, um,this is, if you can describe it,
for people.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
This is the young ladies of emil it's look like
they're all wearing pink outfitsand it's very like abs.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
This is considered like one of the most like the
earliest versions of what wewould consider modern art.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Oh, sure, okay yeah, I mean very angular yeah, a lot
of a lot of angles in it, a lotof like not curves, if you will,
just more very angular, yeahthe faces the noses.
Five different ladies in there.
Is that what I'm counting?
Speaker 2 (50:22):
and it's all very like pink and red very, a lot of
pink.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
So I've never seen that painting before yeah, so
that was um the ladies, theyoung ladies of eminion.
So picasso was arrested andheld for several days, days, but
they couldn't, they couldn'tbuild a case around him for the
Mona Lisa.
So they released him.
Why was he arrested?
Because he had these stolenstatues.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
But he didn't steal them.
He purchased them.
He might not have known theywere stolen.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
It's fair, but they were also still trying to make a
case for him, and it's not liketoday where they have to be
like no, you absolutely did it,here's the proof, et cetera.
We're going to hold you.
Instead, back then it was we'regoing to hold you and then try
to prove it.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
So guilty before innocent?
Yeah, exactly, exactly, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
So they did end up releasing him, and that's the
last we kind of hear of Picasso.
But that's so ironic.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
That's funny.
Yeah, no, because of the timeframe that you brought up, I'm
like, well, it's got to bePicasso, Because I'm not saying
I'm a Picasso historian by anystretch, but I knew he lived
around that time.
But yeah, he lived to be like Imight be getting the year wrong
, but he was around for a longtime.
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It's like it's weird to thinkabout because of how iconic he
is as a painter, that there'sanother small one.
It's just like, wait, he didn'tdie until when, yeah, so anyways
.
So back to back to Mona Lisasmile.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
So the public and the newspapers were kind of
starting to realize that theworld's greatest detective may
not have been the greatest.
It's like this one little markon this guy's reputation, this
little blemish on his record,and now he's a pariah.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Whatever.
So instead of being SherlockHolmes, he's more like Sherlock
Homie, yeah, or Ghetto Sure,sure.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Wow.
So the newspaper articles ofthe Mona Lisa disappearance.
They start to dwindle in sizeand in frequency.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Okay, because it's just taking so long.
Yeah, there's been so much timein between.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
When this happened, people are like yeah, so a
couple things actually happenedduring this time okay to where
the mona lisa is no longer frontpage news, right, these other
things are okay.
The headlines during this timean automobile was used for the
first time as a getaway carafter a bank robber.
That's fantastic, yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
And secondly, the sinking of the titanic on april
15th 1912 yeah, yeah, wow yeahso the titanic knocked the mona
lisa out of the news pretty mucha year later.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
That's wild at this time 1912 yeah the disappearance
of the mona l Lisa is nowconsidered a cold case.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Wow, okay, yes, I suppose.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
So Lapine.
He had a nice, long,respectable, rewarding career.
He actually ended up retiringin March 1913, never having
solved this case.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Way to go, Lapine.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Isn't that awful?
I mean, he's so respected andso well regarded.
And this case, way to go,lapine, isn't that awful?
I mean, he's like so respectedand so well regarded, and this
one Kind of killed it.
This one, last one, he couldn'tget.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yeah, and it just kind of made people's perception
of him be a little differenttoo.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Yeah, which is?
Speaker 1 (53:36):
wild.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
So 28 months after the theft in December of 1913, a
Florence-based art dealer getsa letter in the mail.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
Oh correspondence.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
The letter is written in Italian, but it arrived from
Paris.
Okay.
It says I have the Mona Lisaand I want to sell it to you
with a 25% discount, as you'reItalian and I want this painting
in Italy Because Leonardo wasItalian.
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Right, I want this painting inItaly.
It was signed Leonardo V, okay,okay.
So the art dealer feels likethis might just be the real deal
, as the painting has beenmissing for so long, no one
knows what's up with this.
So he contacts the museumdirector of Uffizi, which is
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Italy's version of the Louvre.
Oh, so it's another museumUffizi.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
U-F-F-I-Z-I.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
Okay, that's weird.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah.
So the director was like I'llauthenticate this painting once
we all meet up, so once I get ityeah, that kind of thing yeah.
Okay.
So if it's the real painting,the art dealer agrees to give
Leonard a finder's fee of whatwould have been a half a million
pounds today.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
Good Lord, so what does it mean?
A finder's fee?
Speaker 2 (55:07):
Like, like Leonard wanted, like hey, I found the
painting, I want a reward for it.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
So they're just discounting the fact that he
could have been the one thatstole it.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Oh no.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
They're smarter than that, okay, good.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
So on December 17th the two Italians meet up with
leonard and who's in his hotelroom in florence okay, okay and
they?
He is not at all what theythought no how so?
He's unkempt.
Oh, he's down on his luck.
He's young and he's veryunintelligent okay okay, wow.
So leonard pulls out this trunk,he opens it, he tosses out
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shoes, paintbrushes, clothing,just random things, and they're
all like what the hell is this?
What the fuck?
But then he pulls out a falsebottom, oh, and underneath he
pulls out something wrapped inred velvet Sure, it's the Mona
Lisa.
That's fucking wild, at leastthat's what it looks like, right
, okay, it's the mona lisa.
That's fucking wild, at leastthat's what it looks like, right
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okay.
So the museum director he's notlike, he's very like
sophisticated, and it's like.
People have copied this work,of course over and over again.
You talked about that in thebeginning, exactly so I have to
prove this 100 essentially sothe, the museum director, flips
it over to the backside andlooks at the back of the
painting.
Why?
(56:26):
Because on the back of thispainting is where they would
label everywhere that thispainting has been.
So there's markings, there'sloose numbers, there's literally
a history in writing on theback of this painting.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
I didn't realize they did that.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
Yes, so I watched this art restoration guy um
Baumgartner's um restoration.
He's from Chicago and heliterally puts a sticker on the
back of every single painting hedoes to signify like who
cleaned it, how he cleaned it,repaired it, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
Well, that makes sense.
It's just like a same thing.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
Well, that makes sense it's just like a log of
what happened Exactly, so it's adetailed history of where this
painting has been and the museumdirector has seen photos of the
back of this painting.
Speaker 1 (57:14):
Oh really.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
And he is so close to confirming that this is
actually the Mona Lisa.
But he has to be sure he can'tquite say it yet.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
You can't fuck this up.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Yes, exactly exactly so he's like I need to match the
varnish cracks in the paint.
Oh, from years of exposure anddrying and everything, yeah to
archival photographs okay it isessentially a fingers nope, a
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painting's fingertips nope thisis a.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
This is like watching a car crash.
Oh, what is it?
Now paintings, fingerprints oh,my god, like the varnish
fingerprints Fingerprints.
Wow that we got there.
It was rough.
I'm a little scarred for lifenow so I feel a little dumber,
but we got there.
Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
So the director needs to take this painting back to
Uffizi.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:19):
To see the painting on the magnifying glass and
compare it to the pictures thathe has Right and Leonardo lets
them take it.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
What a?
Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 2 (58:33):
Without payment Just bye-bye.
Bargaining chip Just buh-bye.
Go ahead, take it.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Well, he really is an idiot, and the Italians are
like they told Leonardo well,well, if the painting checks out
, yeah, we'll go ahead and sendthe award in the mail checks in
the mail yeah, exactly, oh mygod what a fucking moron.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
I'm sorry if you then , or no, fuck off.
Wow, what a moron.
Yeah, what a dumb shit.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
So well, hey there, the archival photos match the
painting.
The Mona Lisa has been found.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
And so this was 28 months after it went missing.
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
So, of course, instead of sending Leonard the
finder's fee fee, they sent theitalian police you don't say now
okay.
So, leonard, you would thinkthat, like the painting leaves
his possession, he he made amistake.
He needs to get the fuck out ofthere, does he no?
Speaker 1 (59:38):
no, because he's like well he's still at the hotel
they're like they're gonnaverify it and then they're gonna
give send me a check.
What a dumb.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
Fuck the police show up, he's arrested.
Naturally, of course, leonardis vincenzo perugia there you go
, vincenzo.
Yes, he was a worker who noshow during the initial
investigation and if you werearound for the beginning of the
episode, okay, yes, right, rightright oops.
So he was just using an aliasto try and cover his ass at
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least he was smart in thatregard, but okay and that was.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I was literally just gonna say that how do you come
up with, like you know, what I?
Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
need make an alias.
Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
I need to use an alias, but I'm a fucking idiot
in the rest of my life.
How do you not come up with,like seriously, how you okay
there A shiver, yeah, how areyou that dumb, but yet you can
come up with an alias?
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Yeah, it's, it's, it's definitely different.
But so the police are like howdid you do this?
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
How are you so dumb you?
Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
still managed to do this, but yet you were able to
pull this off.
Yeah, so Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
He gives the details.
So Perugia arrives at theLouvre at 7 am and climbs the
grand staircase not encounteringanyone.
The Louvre is closed.
There's no one around, so hewalks into the gallery where the
Mona Lisa is hung.
He no one around, so he walksinto the gallery where the Mona
Lisa is hung.
Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
He looks around and he listens To see if he hears
anybody.
No one is near.
Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Okay, he easily pulls the painting off the wall
Because he was familiar with it.
Yes, he was familiar, so nearbyis an employee staircase.
Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Yeah, the servant hall or whatever.
You said yes, exactly Whatever,yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
So he goes down several flights of stairs and he
takes the painting out of theframe and the protective casing
and he keeps it there.
Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Does he just like roll it up like a poster?
I mean, how did he?
Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
So no, it's on canvas .
Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
So he's just tucking it under his arm.
Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
That's so wild.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Yeah.
So he goes down several moreflights of stairs without the
frame and he goes to that sidedoor, the one without the handle
.
Yes, so it's locked.
He doesn't have a key, but thedoorknob is there.
He has a screwdriver on thisperson and he removes the
doorknob to try to get out.
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Oh, but it didn't work becausehe didn't get far enough until
he heard the plumber coming downthe stairs.
So he had to act quickly sit onthe stairs and act like he just
got there right so that's whenthe plumber's like, hey, there's
not a doorknob here.
What happened, and perugia'slike?
I don't know, I just got here,yeah so the plumber unlocks the
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door, steps out, locks, locksthe door behind him and
Perugia's like fuck.
Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Okay, what does he do ?
Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
He goes back the way he came down the grand staircase
.
Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Well, I mean, what else is he going to do, I guess
though.
Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
But nobody sees him.
Wow, he literally leaves themuseum the same way he came in.
Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
it literally took 20 minutes from start to finish and
with a short little stint of Igotta sit here and play stupid
yes, yes but how did?
Okay?
Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
this guy's an idiot so, but why did he do it?
Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
yeah, because he wanted it back in italy.
Yes, because he thought it wasowed to Italy.
Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
So Italians were the largest migrants in France.
Oh, they were.
They were the workers, thecraftsmen, the painters, the
lowest of the low Sure.
Okay, and Perugia wantedrevenge.
Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Revenge.
Wow he was bullied.
Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
He was bullied.
All the Italians essentiallyquote unquote were bullied by
the French.
He was thinking okay, why areyou protecting these paintings,
these treasures that you haveclaimed and then go about
ridiculing the same Italiansthat created them?
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
I can understand where he's coming from, sure.
Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
But there is a theory that that's not the entire
motive that perugia had.
Perugia might have thought thatthe italian paintings were
stolen by the french.
Oh so, but regardless.
Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Leonardo da vinci gave it to king louis as a gift
in france which is why it washung in the louvre well, no, I
mean, it makes sense, becauseit's not like just because it
was painted in Italy, or theperson who is Italian, or, as
Kate likes to say, italian,although you did say Italian
before.
Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
I know, I tried really hard.
Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
I paid attention, anyways even just because
they're Italian doesn't meanlike Italy owns it, the painter
owns it and he can do whateverthe fuck he wants with it yeah.
So if Leonardo da Vinci wantsto give it to king louis or
whoever, for that fucking matter, fuck off dude?
Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
yeah, but he didn't know that well, he thought it
was stolen potentiallypotentially stolen, but either
way, I so.
Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Okay, I get where his on potential motive, his
potential motive, even thoughit's not very well thought out.
Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Yeah, I guess we'll say yeah, okay okay, so perugia
was sentenced in an Italiancourt for 12 months.
Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
He only got 12 months .
Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Oh, but wait.
Okay, he only served seven.
Because why?
Because he was labeled as apatriot in Italy.
Because of his motives, becausehe was trying to bring this
faith Something back motivesbecause he was trying to bring
something back.
Yes, he was trying to okaybuild up the reputation of italy
and bringing this fantasticpiece of artwork back, because
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he thought that it was stolen bythe french and he got five
months reduced off his.
Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Yeah, I mean it's probably, obviously it's well
different.
I mean that's over 100 yearsago when this happened.
But to think that he only got12 months for stealing the Mona
Lisa.
Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
But it wasn't the Mona Lisa at the time.
Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Let me finish the, the, the, yeah.
Let me finish Knowing that it'sobviously a lot different now,
but take any popular.
Every time you take a sip now,it's just funny, it's the back
end.
Yeah, I know, but just takeanything popular.
Mona lisa, obviously, whatever,anything popular taylor, swift
(01:05:55):
album, whatever oh my god, youat least get five years for a
taylor swift album.
I mean fuck christ anywho, butno, it's just.
It's just funny that like tothink about you.
Like you only got 12 months andonly surf seven.
That's just crazy okay.
Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
So by stealing the mona lisa, perugia
unintentionally obviouslycreated a worldwide icon yeah,
because, like you said, nobodyfucking knew about it.
Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
I have a.
Do you have a question?
What painting did thewashington post actually put out
there?
Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
I actually don't know , but it was actually very
similar in, in, in style ofappeal.
It was a woman um kind of inthe same kind of positioning and
everything.
Yeah, gotcha okay, so perugia'stheft also catapulted art theft
in general.
Oh, people are willing to buythese paintings for a premium
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price.
Right, art theft is the one ofthe highest grossing criminal
trades worldwide, only third todrugs and arms trades.
Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Really, it's still that high.
Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Even to this day.
Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Isn't that nuts?
I wouldn't have guessed that.
It just doesn't seem like.
It seemed like I don't know howyou even word it More
romanticized in my brain fromlike years ago.
Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
basically, yeah, yeah , isn't that crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
No, I would have never guessed it's that high.
Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Okay, so today the Mona Lisa is no longer insured.
Because it can't be it used tobe.
Yeah, because it can't be, itused to be yeah.
But now no insurance companycould possibly pay the high
price for a replacement orrepair, because the painting is
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now considered irreplaceable andpriceless.
Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Correct, so no monetary value is ever going to
be assigned to this painting.
Do you know what?
The last?
Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
monetary value ever assigned to it was um.
I did write it down at onepoint and ended up deleting it,
but it was it was severalmillion.
Uh, which back?
That was back in the 60s.
Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
It was several million so even you know yeah,
inflation, yeah so now it's justtoo much.
Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
So they're like, no, this is just priceless.
Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Well it's, I mean, you think about it, it's 500
years old, over 500 years old.
Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Nothing like that is.
I mean, I'm sure there's reallygood painters today, but like
for some, like nothing likethat's ever going to be created
again.
No, I mean just the masterpiecethat it is.
Yeah, with da vinci was afucking genius.
Yeah, I mean, everything youdid was amazing yeah so yeah, I
can.
Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
I can understand why you can't put a price on it so
in the louvre, the mona lisa hasbeen ever since it's deframing,
except for a few world tours.
Right, right, it did, it didtour a couple things.
Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
A couple places Did I just see a photograph not that
long ago, where it was in theStates, and it was JFK looking
at it.
Yes, and Jackie, yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
So it has been in the Louvre ever since, except for
some of those world tours.
And it's been preserved by.
It has has its own climatecontrolled room isn't that crazy
and a pane of bulletproof glassin front of it to ensure its
protection.
Yeah, it's constantlysurrounded by security guards,
cameras and high, high qualitysurveillance systems of course,
(01:09:39):
yeah, but that is the story ofvincenzo Perugia and the Mona
Lisa heist.
Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
I feel like we need to watch the Thomas Crown of
Ferdow.
Ooh, I love that movie.
I've never seen the original,have you?
Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
I don't think I have.
Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
No, I don't either.
Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Pierce Brosnan, rene Russo and Ed Harris.
No, no, oh.
Dennis Leary, yes.
Dennis Leary, yes, yes, it hasa great soundtrack.
Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Yeah, I like the music in it.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Old cinema.
Man, where do you run to Oldcinema?
Damn it.
Now I need to watch that.
Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Right.
Doesn't that make you want towatch that movie though?
Yes, I really enjoy that movieand, like so, a good friend of
Corey's my brother and I wasfriends with him too.
His name was Jimmy Branstom I'msaying his last name wrong, god
damn it.
He passed away.
He was pretty young.
He had some, it was cancer orsomething, I don't remember what
(01:10:35):
the fuck.
It was Really sad, because hewas a great guy but he did
photography and stuff.
But he was very goodartistically as well photography
and stuff, but he's very goodartistically as well.
So back in the day, because ofthat movie, I wanted to name an
album bowler hats and uh, whatwas it?
Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
uh, isn't there lines or something in it?
I don't remember it's apainting, a famous painting that
is portrayed in the movie.
Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Yeah, correct, and that's where I got that from.
Um, it's something like bowler,bowler hats and like rocket, I
don't know.
I have the picture somewhere.
I have to get that to pick itup, but I had to create it but
it was.
It was influenced off of thatmovie with that painting in it,
because obviously the paintingsin the movie or whatever.
But yeah, I love that movieanyways it's good yeah, so um.
Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
So a lot of my um research came from um an awesome
youtube channel um it is calledstealing the mona lisa, art
theft of the century, andthey're they um interviewing um
the author of a book that hadthat he wrote about the stealing
(01:11:45):
of the mona lisa.
So very cool, yeah.
So what?
Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
do you think so?
I, I think it's cool because,like again, I knew that it was
stolen once.
For some reason in my head, Ialways thought it was gone
longer than what it actually wasand, um, I didn't know any
details about it.
Basically, it was quite, quiteinteresting to uh, to uh learn,
(01:12:11):
learn a bit more.
Um, I I think it's funny how uh, this guy was such a fucking
idiot in terms of like saying,hey, I got it, let's uh sell
this or whatever after two yearsafter you know 28 months.
So like do you think within thattime frame he just sat on it
(01:12:34):
and then this is the time I needto sell it yeah, um, I think he
waited until like it died.
Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
It died down yeah, and I think he got like scared
when they came to his apartment.
Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Oh, I would imagine so.
Yeah, he was like I'm going tosit on this for a bit For some
reason in my brain and I'm notsaying I have no basis for why I
would even think this way.
I always thought it was hiddenin an attic or something.
Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
I don't know why I thought that or why that would
even it might be another famouspainting that's been hidden
could be.
Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
yeah, I might be mixing it up, but like do you
think, when they showed up athis apartment, that this was
hidden in that false bottom at?
That time too, yeah, 100 it's aone room, small little fucking
piece of shit apartment didn'thave like extra rooms and
storage or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
They looked under the bed Right right yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
So I'm guessing he probably had that at that time
already.
And it was in the apartmentwhen that junior detective, or
whatever the fuck you call himwent to go talk to him.
So that's just crazy.
Because you think about it,it's like I could have been five
feet away from that painting,never fucking knew this.
Oh, he was Probably yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
So I actually got this idea for the art theft from
a book that you let me borrow,oh that's my book, yeah.
Yeah, so this is called theBook of Amazing History and I
actually don't even know whoit's by.
It doesn't even say on thefront cover it's Publications
International Limited.
(01:14:06):
It honestly doesn't even have aauthor that's alright but it's
a ton of different randomhistorical stories, and this
particular one was under likethe title of famous art heists
of the World, and this was oneof them.
(01:14:29):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
I'm glad we got a story like that, because I got
that from my mother-in-law.
Yeah, for Christmas, forChristmas, yeah, and I thought
that was super cool, so I letyou borrow it so you could kind
of see if we got any topics.
Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
That's what I got it from.
Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
I'm so happy that you did that's great, me too
fantastic.
Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
It was a good book, yeah yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Yeah, I just still I find it funny.
It's like, what do you callthem?
What was his alias?
Leonard v it's like vincenzo.
You fucking idiot or leonardoda vinci, like we don't know
know what he was trying to gofor I feel like he took Leonardo
and changed it to Leonardo andthen V for Vincenzo.
Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Perhaps I mean who knows?
Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
What a fucking idiot.
Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
He wasn't very smart.
Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
But he was patriotic and passionate.
Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Smart enough to get away with it for two years.
Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Yeah, he really likes Italy.
So Stop it Sorry.
Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
You're not the first person to make fun of my Italian
.
Yeah, italian Italian yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Well, it's just funny , because, like you say Italy,
but you say Italian, I'm goingto say Italian.
I know, stop it, I know Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
so Anyways, yes, Last thoughts on Cool City Brewing
Company, the Berry Habanero.
Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
What do you think?
I really liked it.
It's not something I would wantto have all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
It's so unique.
It's very unique.
I really liked it.
Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
But I really liked that we got a crawler.
Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
And I finished my first beverage on the podcast.
I actually finished it.
Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
That's impressive.
Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
I guess we were talking a lot.
I finished two Shut up.
Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
And actually you don't even have a pint glass.
I do, I did.
Your glass is smaller so therewas extra in the can because
it's a 32-ounce can.
So I had 16 ounces.
Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
You have, whatever that is I suppose All right,
buffoons.
Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
That's it for today's episode.
Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Buckle up, because we've got another historical
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Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Remember, the buffoonery never stops Music,
music, music, music.
Oh hey, there, Hold on.
This doesn't sound right.
I yelled, we're starting thatover.
I yelled that one and I couldeven hear it through yours.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We're keeping that in .
Oh, that was great.
We both inhaled at the sametime to say, oh, hey, there.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Oh, hey there.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Oh hey.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
All right, I got it, I got it.
Yeah about that.
Oh hey, all right, I got to.
Yeah about that.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I am Kate.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
And I am Bradley, and we are the History Buffoons.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
We sure the fuck are.
We're definitely buffooningtoday, oh okay, don't sip yet,
don't sip yet.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Don't sip yet I know, can I not grab it?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yes, you can grab it, but don't sip it.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
but don't sip it, because it's completely open to
us.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Okay, so tell the folks tell the peeps tell the
folks what we got going on here,cause we are carrying glasses
at the moment.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, so we have a.
Well, I have a pint glass, youhave a snow scene glass.
So, kate, um, uh, was that twoa week ago, two weeks ago,
whatever Two weeks ago.
Yeah, was that two a week ago?
Two weeks ago, whatever twoweeks ago?
Yeah, we're looking for, um,some other things for our beer
sampling and we like to try andmix it up and keep it kind of
(01:31):
local if we can, because why not?
She found one, so we went theretoday to pick up some beer to
bring home and it's called coolcity brewing company, not to be
confused with Coal City, whichjust doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Which is what I thought it was called.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
We were like search for.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Coal City.
There's no Coal City.
Oh, it's because it's called.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Cool City.
That was pretty funny so wewent there today.
So it's a little brew pub inTwo Rivers.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Wisconsin.
It's almost like a suburb ofManitowoc Manitowoc yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
And across the street is Lake Michigan.
It's really pretty.
Yeah, all that, yeah, for themost well, maybe a little more
than across the street, but yeah, no, that place was really cool
.
I really liked the place.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Are you saying that Cool City Brewery is cool?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's cool.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Cool, it's cool.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Anyways.
Okay, yes, I am saying CoolCity Brewing Company is cool, it
was pretty cool we got to talkto.
We were there actually prettyearly in the day so there wasn't
a lot of people, which was kindof nice.
Yeah, Because we got to talk toRyan the brewer yes For the
place.
So that was nice to kind ofchat with him for a little bit
(02:48):
and, uh, that pretzel wasdelicious oh my god, yeah, we
bought the pretzel with a beercheese and a like mustard, dijon
mustard type of dip isn't likestone ground.
I don't know I could be wrong.
I'm making shit up in my head,but but that was fucking
delicious.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It was.
It was probably the best beeror bar pretzel I've ever had.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, and uh, no, it was.
It was really cool place we gotto talk to, like I said, the
brewer and the his wife wasthere working on stuff and their
kids, their kids were runningaround had two, two little ones
there.
So that was.
It was pretty cool.
So, uh, we.
He gave us a sample of this.
Yes, and we're like we need todo this on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Okay, so he wrote it down on the crawler.
Is that what it's called?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Crawler yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Crawler.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
So it's like a growler but a can.
Yeah, but it's the beach.
Bear berry habanero sour.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Berry habanero yeah, I am not a habanero.
Yeah, I am not a habanero.
Jalapeno, green pepper, redpepper, yellow pepper, chili
pepper I'm not any of thepeppers fans.
It's just not something that Iwas ever really into.
I don't like spice, really.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You're also not much of a sour person either.
I'm not, you don't mind them.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
And this is a little sour, it's a little spicy, and,
goddamn, I asked to mind them.
And this is a little sour, it'sa little spicy, and goddamn, I
asked to buy this.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yes, this was your choice, it was, which I am
perfectly good with.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
So cheers, so cheers to you, it is.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
It is different.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
It is delicious and it is unique and there's a
little spice right at the endbut the front end is berry, it's
, it's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I took a sip literally multiple seconds ago
and I'm getting that heat on theback end.
Still it's great, I really likeit.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I really like it as well so.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I don't.
I don't think I've ever hadanything.
I've had sours before.
I like sours, but I don't goout of my way for them.
I don't.
I've never had one like this.
And this is really delicious,super unique.
I had to even buy a pint glasscause it was cool.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah.
So what else did we?
Do you remember what else wegot in?
So you got a four pack ofsomething.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, oh, that's right, I forgot about that.
That was an IPA.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
An IPA.
I got that, and I got anothercrowler oh, the Hells, hells,
hellsner, hells, hellis Lager,hellis, yeah, hellis Lager.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Which.
You've tried a Hellis Lager onour podcast before.
I think you'll like this onebetter, yeah, so oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
We got a flight today to kind of narrow down what we
wanted to try today.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
And this, this Barry Habanero, wasn't even part of
our flight.
He just gave us a little sample, which is great yeah yeah, and
then um, so we had the sample,so we bought that, and then part
of our four flight for umsample flight.
Yeah, I bought the helles yepand then you chose something
completely different and you gotan.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
IPA.
I got a pale ale and an IPA,and then you also got the
Pilsner as well.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, oh my gosh, I'm telling you it was a great vibe
inside.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
It was.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I liked that the brewer was really fun and
entertaining and reallyknowledgeable.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And engaging yeah.
So that was nice yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
And his wife was super engaging and their kids
were funny yeah and um.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Their beers are amazing and I want to go back.
I want to go back there too.
I definitely want to, uh, trysome more of their food too,
because they have like tacoflights and stuff and they have
the football flight oh my so.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Football flight of 20 samples.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
They have 20 taps in this place.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And so usually most people Al you know what I'm
talking about when you get aflight, they usually have like a
little board that they set eachone and they write the number
down.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
They literally have a board with it was made out of.
It looks like old pipes andthey painted them, but they look
like Fugles.
On either side of the board Oneither side, and then it
literally has a spot for everysingle tap they have, which is
20.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
And he said if you do the 20 flight, you get the
pretzel for free.
Which we didn't do because itwas early.
It was too early for a 20 thingflight, but that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
That thing flight, but that's pretty cool.
Yeah, that was.
That's pretty neat.
I've not seen that before I'venever seen that 20.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
A flight of 20 yeah, that's insane that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I've seen four.
I was like we did today.
I've seen five.
I've seen six.
I've seen a few.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, um but never 20 .
Speaker 1 (07:16):
No, so that was unique and actually like
thinking back to the wholereason why.
I know I like ipas and paleales is like is my my go-to
style is my dad and I did aflight in frisco, colorado, um,
at this old brewery.
I don't think it's thereanymore, I think it, um, I think
it's gone, but it's called, uhum, backcountry brewery, at
(07:37):
least it was, if it's stillthere and I did, we did a flight
there of that and I had sampledevery one of his beers and I
I'm like, ooh, I like that one.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Have you ever thought of owning your own brewery,
just in an offshoot fantasy, ohyeah.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
You have, have you thought?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
of what you would name your brewery.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Oh no, I guess I never actually thought of a name
.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
You never got that far.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
No, no, my, like my, I had aspirations of owning like
a place like that where we weretoday, or multiple other places
we can name a bunch but a nicerestaurant with a brewery
attached to it, I've, I'vewanted to own that.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Oh, and this place serves coffee.
Like they're open at 6am andserve coffee as well.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
They have a drive-thru, which is wild.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I know, I know it was a really cool place.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, it's quite different.
It'd be nice to go there whenit's nicer weather out, because
they have garage doors they openthat looks like to a patio and
stuff.
So we'll have to definitely goback and then go back again and
check it out, and again, andagain.
I could definitely see usvisiting this place multiple
times, because it was reallycool.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
So I have a question for you what's visiting this
place multiple times?
Because it was really cool, soso I have a question for you.
What's your question?
We're kind of switching it from, like, the artistic beer making
okay to actual works of art, ohyeah, so do you have any type
of like style, specific works orartists that you you actually
(09:03):
really really enjoy?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
like looking at my favorite piece of art is starry
night by.
I was a van gogh right yeah,that was van gogh um, that is
very like.
When I look at that it makes melike happy kind of oh really,
yeah, I love, I love that pieceof art and I've had I use it as
(09:25):
a background on my computer inthe past.
I mean I just I really like, Ilike how it looks.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
So that's pretty cool .
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, that that would .
That's my favorite piece of artthat.
I've ever, that I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, is there anything else that, like you,
kind of think of?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Oh boy.
Um, I mean, you always think ofart and you go to you know like
Mona Lisa and all that stuff.
But I don't mind it, but I'drather look at Starry Night,
kind of thing.
Do you want to?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
know what mine is.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, of course I do.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I really like the painting called the Kiss by
Gustav Klimt.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I'll kind of show you the picture here, if it comes
up.
I'm sure you've seen this Idon't know if gustav klimt the,
the kiss I don't know if I everhave it's all very yellow, very
like patchwork, sure, um, but II really enjoy the Kiss.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Where is he from?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Vienna, oh nice.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Perhaps, perhaps that's potentially where he's
from.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Okay, we're not actually going to talk about
Starry Night or the Kiss byKlimt.
I kind of figured that um, weare actually, surprisingly
enough, going to talk about themona lisa oh, look at that yeah
good thing I brought it up yeah,yeah.
So so this, the mona lisa by uhda vinci da vinci, leonardo da
(11:02):
vinci, it's a piece of artwork,that artwork that is considered
the most known, the most visited, the most written about, the
most duplicated painting in theworld.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, I mean, there's literally a movie called Mona
Lisa Smile.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It's with Julia Roberts.
Yeah, it's a great movie.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Is it?
I've never seen it.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
It is, I like it.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
And there's some really great like 1950s ish um
music in it, which I also reallylike okay, yeah, excellent.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So we're not going to talk about, like, quite just
the painting.
We're actually going to talkabout a period in time okay when
the mona lisa actually shot tofame.
Sure, okay, so I'm going togive a kind of a brief
background on the painting andthen we're going to jump to the
year 1911.
Ooh, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Did you know that we keep bringing up 1911?
No, so yeah, tell me 1911, ifI'm not mistaken, that's the
year Baba Venga was born.
Wow, I don't remember any ofthat.
And it's also because duringthat episode I said, oh, it's
the same year Reagan was born,was it?
Yeah, so it's funny how 1911apparently has popped up a
(12:12):
couple times in our podcast.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
In our short podcast life.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Just like Illinois.
This doesn't take place inIllinois does it?
It does not, Thank goodness.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
It takes place in France and in Italy.
I know, okay, not, thankgoodness.
It takes place in france and initaly, I know, okay, so so the
whole purpose of this podcastwas for me to remember shit, and
I don't remember that, andspeaking of that, uh, I'm gonna
set my mouth on fire withanother drink while you speak uh
, we gotta shout out, uh, uh,our friend Tara.
(12:42):
Oh, yes, okay, Hold please.
Cause I gotta go like look upthe story now.
That's okay, that was inHaymarket, that back end.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yes, it's.
I liked the little burn it'sgot.
It's really, really subtle.
It's subtle, but I can feel it,I know, and it it's really
really subtle.
It's subtle, but I can feel it,I know, and it almost like
builds, as you're like just kindof talking and sitting here.
I really enjoy it.
But yeah, we wanted to makesure we did this before we
forget.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Okay, so our friend Tara, so she listened to our
episode on the Haymarket Affair.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yep it was called Antichrist and I'd like to
reiterate it's because of theslip of the tongue on your part
saying anarchist, I was supposedto say anarchist and I said
Antichrist, anyways.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Anyway.
So she texted me in the middleof her listening to the episode
and she said so, you talkedabout Governor Oglesby.
Yeah, that is my great, great,great grandfather which is just
wild.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
It's like holy shit, that is so funny so.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So, governor oglesby, yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
However, it's pronounced.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
We apologize so he was the one that decided whether
the um, the men who was a, whowere arrested for the
quote-unquote riot and thebombing um of the labor union
rallies, right, he was the onethat decided whether they would
live or die.
Essentially, exactly yeah, so,um, so that's who he was, um he.
(14:27):
He was, um the one thatremember what it was like to be
an abolitionist yep, but thenrealized that the laws were
really strict and otherabolitionists could have been
hanged too.
So in the end, he ended uppardoning a couple of the men
who were arrested that werestill alive in prison.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yes, so that was him, and so that was pretty awesome
yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So it's kind of cool that we have a kind of a
personal tie to even a storythat we did, that we had no idea
, obviously, and it's just likeoh hey, that was my.
How many greats, Great, great,great grandfather Is that?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
what she said.
So, either way, yeah, I'm sorryif tara, if we got that wrong
but yeah um, that's prettyfantastic yeah, yeah I just like
the the little bit personaltouch yes, and thank you, tara,
for for telling us, becausethat's pretty cool yeah, and
because obviously we had no ideaso that's pretty awesome yeah,
it just happened to be in anepisode of something that we
talked about, so anyways allright back to the mona lisa
(15:23):
yeah okay, so the mona lisa waspainted by leonardo da vinci.
Yes, and it was around theyears 1503 to 1506.
It actually took him a reallylong time to quote unquote
finish this painting, okay andwasn't this more like a
self-portrait that he thenaltered?
No, oh no, so this painting wasactually of a sitter named Lisa
(15:44):
Del Giocondo.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
So she was an actual person.
Oh, lisa Del Giocondo, she wasborn.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Lisa, oh, lisa, yeah, I know her.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
She was born Lisa Garadini on June 15th 1479.
That's wild.
She was an Italian noblewomanfrom Florence and Tuscany.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
She was born 500 years before me.
Yes, that's fucking wild.
She was an Italian noblewomanfrom Florence and Tuscany.
She was born 500 years beforeme.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yes, that's fucking wild.
And her life was actuallyrelatively ordinary.
Okay Okay, she married a clothand silk merchant in her teens.
She had six children and shelived a relatively comfortable
life Okay, children and shelived a relatively comfortable
life, okay, um, and despite herunremarkable life, her legacy
(16:29):
was obviously secured with thiscommissioned painting.
It was commissioned by herhusband oh really yes I didn't
realize that was ever directlyto leonardo da vinci I didn't
realize that was ever acommission piece yes, yes that's
wild so back then leonardo davinci's um lack of income around
the spring of 1503, may havelike contributed to his interest
(16:53):
in painting this privateportrait okay um so the work.
However, while he was in themiddle of painting it, he was
interrupted um and actuallycommissioned to paint the battle
of anghiari, and it wascontractually obligated for him
(17:13):
to complete it by february 1505so this is the painting of the
battle of anghiari I've seenthat before can you describe it
briefly?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I mean it's hard from how far away I am, but it looks
like a lot of horses and peopleriding them.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
And colors like there's a lot of reds Very
vibrant, nice mix of colors.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I think I've seen that painting before.
At least it looks familiar,maybe not.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So lots of reds horses and they're all kind of
like intermixed and fightingeach other.
So that was the Battle.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Battle of anghiari and he was contractually
obligated to finish that by 15051505, yes, so by 1506.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Leonardo still considered the mona lisa
painting to be unfinished, so,like many, many years, okay,
okay, so he actually neverreceived payment for the
portrait and he never deliveredit to the husband who
commissioned it.
Wow, yeah, so it was just mesaying, hey, I want this done,
(18:17):
can you do this for me?
You say yes, and then it justnever exchanged hands in any way
okay um.
So he kept the painting withhim throughout his life, and he
potentially finished it later infrance, around 1516.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Oh wow, so that's just according to some estimates
like it's not quite it's notknown for sure yeah, but that's
a guesstimate of when heprobably did that.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yes, okay, gotcha so the title of the painting
translates to my Lady Lisa.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
My Lady Lisa.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Mona is technically spelled with two Ns M-O-N-N-A,
really Mm-hmm, and that is partof the Italian writing of Mona.
Oh, but there's another Italianname for the painting.
Okay, and that is part of theItalian writing of Mona.
Oh, but there's another Italianname for the painting.
Okay, it's called La Gioconda,which means jocund, or jocund,
(19:16):
which means happy or jovial.
Oh, or literally the jovial one.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Okay.
In French, the title is LaGioconda or La Gioconda Okay,
which has the same meaning.
Okay, sure, so when people aretalking about the Mona Lisa in
English, it's Mona Lisa inFrench is La Gioconda, in
Italian it's La Gioconda.
So you said it has part of mewith my like verbiage and yeah,
(19:42):
that's okay.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, so is.
So is um.
I've only ever seen it with onen yes, because that's the
english version.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
That's the english way, oh so okay, so the french
and so there was an italian monalisa right m-o-nN-A, but they
traditionally kind of call itthe La Gioconda.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
So that's the name.
They refer to it as yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
And we call it the English, call it the Mona Lisa
Gotcha.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yes, okay, okay, that makes more sense.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Okay, so the painting was kept at the Palace of
Fontainebleau, fontainebleau.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Fontainebleau.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Fontainebleau, fontainebleau, bleh.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Until.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Louis XIV moved it to the Palace of Versailles.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Or remained until the French Revolution.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Okay, wow.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
And then in 1797, it went on permanent display at the
Louvre.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
The Louvre.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
The English say Louvre, the Italians say the
Louvre.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
What are you?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I am.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
English.
Okay, say it the English way.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
But I'm fancy Louvre, but I'm fancy.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Well, are you, though ?
I mean, who are we kidding?
I thought this was abouthistory and not lies.
Fuck off, drink more.
Okay, twist my habanero Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
So now we're going to jump to 1911, right.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
The Louvre Right Fancy Was not popular.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
No, I always liked the line in the Da Vinci Code
movie.
I'm trying to blank on theguy's name.
Really a good actor.
I like him.
He's French.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
The French guy yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
He's great.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I'm sad that I don't know his name either, but he's
so sad that I can't remember hisname.
I know because he's fromgodzilla.
He's from the movie godzillawith matthew broderick yes, I
saw that in the theater matthewbroderick reminds me of my dad.
For some reason I'm not surewhy.
Yeah, okay, fair enough, um,anyways.
So I'm gonna get the line.
It's not.
I won't say a word for it, I'mjust drawing a blank.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I know how it's actually said, but he's like
because they have the bigpyramid at the louis yes and
he's like a stain on the face ofparis or whatever he says, like
a plague on the face of paris.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, it's like oh man, how much do you hate this
place it was just I think it wasjust the pyramid.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
They they didn't like the modern look of the pyramid,
which I can understand yeah,okay, anyway that was fiction,
okay so 1911 the loop was notpopular, okay, and there was no
fee to get in either.
Oh really, yeah, oh wow, andsecurity was fairly lacking oh,
(22:20):
so are we talking about when itgot stolen we're talking about
when the mona lisa got stolen,because I are talking about when
the Mona Lisa got stolen CauseI knew that happened.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I was going to mention it before, I just didn't
get around to it.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yes, so the guards were generally like pensioners
or retired soldiers who had areputation for falling asleep
while on the job.
God Wow.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
And the Mona Lisa was displayed with other paintings
of the Italian Renaissanceperiod.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
And actually in the building.
Many other paintings were worthtwice as much as the Mona Lisa
at this time.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, so it was also really common in that area for
art academies to go to theLouvre, as students were
expected to regularly visitpaintings and then actually copy
their works to learn from theseworks.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
So they would like bring in their easels and their
paints and their paintbrushesand set up shop in front of
these like masterpieces.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
That's wild.
Could you imagine like back?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
in that time frame, like 1900s, early 1900s.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Like well, I'm gonna go copy whatever painting I'm
gonna go copy dogs playing cardsI'm pretty sure that was out in
1911 actually, yeah, um I guessit would be dogs playing poker.
But yeah, yes but uh, like yeah, just setting up your reason,
like all right, you know, it'sjust that I couldn't even.
(23:45):
I wish I was more artistic thatway Same.
You're pretty creative, thoughyou do come up with some cool
stuff.
I am not that way at all.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
You're creative in how you edit our podcast.
Oh thanks.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
That means a lot, jesus Christ, all right.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Okay, so there was also the development of
photography.
Yes, so artists had this newtool of studying and documenting
these artworks throughphotography.
So, while painting from theoriginal was still considered
valuable, photography allowedartists to capture details and
compositions more easily.
Sure, and potentially reducingthe need for to spend long hours
(24:27):
in these galleries with aneasel.
Right, nice, yeah, okay.
So august 21st 1911 was amonday it was okay yes, it was a
monday, and that is that isimportant, because, oh the
because the Louvre was closedthis day.
Oh yes, habanera.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Habanera, oh dear.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
That's staying in.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Wow, that's habanera.
I don't know if you noticedthis, but a lot of times when
you burp on the podcast, Ispecifically leave those in
because they're funny to me.
Oh yeah, I've noticed.
Okay, good, I don't think inbecause they're funny to me.
Oh yeah, I've noticed.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Okay, good, I don't think Al needs to hear my burps.
Well, I mean, nobody needs tohear your burps, I'm sure my mom
misses them.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Okay, there you go, Mom.
So this Monday, the Louvre wasclosed.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
There was only a skeleton crew working, so do you
have?
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Do you have, a reason why they were closed?
Are they just closed on Mondays, or was there a specific reason
why they were closed?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I think they were just closed on Mondays.
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I was curious Cause like why yeah, yeah, okay?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
So the museum's maintenance director would make
a daily round throughout thegallery.
So his early morning rounds wasapproximately seven, seven, 15,
seven, 30, somewhere aroundthere.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Okay 730,.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
He's like walking through these galleries.
Everything seems in tip-topform, everything is exactly how
it should be.
Yep, he walked through thegalleries and saw Mona Lisa
hanging on the wall.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Okay, it is there.
So this is at 730?
.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
In the morning.
Okay, it's there on the wall830,.
He comes back.
Mona Lisa is gone An hour laterand it was gone.
It was gone.
Holy shit.
All that was left on thesewalls.
And this Mona Lisa issurrounded by other paintings at
this time Right, so it's justlike a blank spot on a wall full
of paintings.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So very noticeable, and this is obviously well
before security cameras and shitlike that, exactly.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
All that was left on the wall were four iron hooks.
Okay, wow, and iron hooks comesinto play a little bit later,
oh it does Okay.
So immediately the maintenancedirector was like that's weird.
No, it's not weird.
Actually it's either beingphotographed or cleaned, or
(26:49):
cleaned or repaired.
He thought nothing of it.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
So he just like shrugged his shoulders and kept
on walking.
Exactly, what a fucking idiot.
It was just another day in theLouvre, I mean.
I guess I can see why his mindwould go there, that's what was
standard.
Yeah, so why would he questionit?
But I don't know.
It seems like you should have alittle more track and like hey,
this is getting clean this day,blah, blah, blah exactly or
whatever the case might be,whatever the case, yeah because
(27:15):
why would it be photographed?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
closed that day but that would be the time when it
would be, wouldn't you think?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I mean, I could see the louvre is closed.
This is the time to take thephotographs, or this is the time
to take the paintings off thewall and photograph it or repair
it or clean it before thepublic comes I can understand
the repairing, the cleaning onthe day off, but I guess it
depends on who's you knowphotographing it they would
probably need a dark room atthis time, like yeah.
Wow, that's an hour later andit was gone yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, so it was missing for 24 hours One day.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Until it was reported missing.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Oh, so it was gone for 24 hours and you're like,
hey, we can't find this fuckingpainting.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Oh, wow, so a local artist of the time yeah, I
didn't write his name downbecause it's really not
necessary, but he was fairlypopular in recreating famous
paintings and selling them, sure, as recreations.
Okay, so he came into thegallery on that tuesday to paint
the mona lisa hey.
Yeah, he's like where the heckis it?
(28:29):
I want to paint this and sellit to my tourist.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Right yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
And so he's like, okay, like he had his easel and
he had his paints, and he's likeI just came to a blink wall
Like where the heck is this MonaLisa Right?
So he goes to a snoozingsecurity guard, oh my God.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
And hey, hey, I'm sorry to wake you on your job.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Where's the painting?
Is it like?
Where is it?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
When's it coming back ?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
And the guard went to the photographer's studio in
the museum and they're all likeIDK, I don't know, we don't have
it.
And they're all like idk, Idon't know, we don't have it.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And they're all like um, george, have you seen it?
No, bill, I have no idea whereit is.
What the hell wow?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
so they set up the alarms about time, do they just?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
start going.
What the hell?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Wow so they set up the alarms Bell time.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Did they just start going wee, wee, wee Anyways?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Okay, so then we have Deputy Director George.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Benedict, one more time I was trying to be Italian.
Did it work?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
No, George Italian Did it work?
No, george Benedict.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Did he work at the Louvre?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
So George Benedict was notified of the missing
painting.
With him and the skeleton crewthey went through floor by floor
, room by room, searching forthis painting.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
How many floors are in the Louvre?
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I actually don't.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
The Louvre has been added on throughout the years so
many times it's been expanded alot.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, A lot.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Like.
It is impressive how much theLouvre has expanded.
It used to be a palace, it wasan office, it was-.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Really yes, oh wow.
It was a whole bunch of thingsI don't remember.
I know Sarah went to Europe.
Was it her senior year, shit?
I don't remember.
No, I might be getting thesedetails wrong, but I know she
went to a few different places.
I think she went there.
I believe I'll have to ask heragain.
I'm drawing a blank and mightbe getting this wrong, but I'm
(30:47):
almost positive she went to theLouvre.
So every time I think of theLouvre, I just think of Eurotrip
.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Eurotrip Error, error Error.
If you know.
You know Robot fight.
Okay, so this painting isperhaps hidden somewhere, or it
was just never put back aftercleaning for some weird reason?
Yeah, because who would hide it, right?
So several hours later, thedeputy director actually found
(31:13):
the frame that the painting wasin and the glass protective
casing that it was in.
Right, it was found in theservant's staircase.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, the plot thickens, and that's when it was
confirmed.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
It was gone.
Interesting, interesting.
Yeah, the plot thickens, andthat's when it was confirmed.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
It was gone the.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Mona Lisa Was stolen.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Was stolen.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
That's wild.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
And was it Okay?
Oh, chris Frobo, you're goingto get to this, I know, but I'm
just going to ask the questionout loud right now.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Oh, you have a lot of faith in me.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
If you don't have this fucking detail, then what
are we doing?
How long was it gone for total?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
oh, I will tell you.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yes, I do have that information good, that was part
of your research score for kate.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Okay, about time.
So at this time, mona lisa,mona Lisa, her fame skyrockets.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Because it was missing.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
And her like the insurance on her.
The pricelessness of her, thecultural impact, the historical
impact that we know of her, ofthis painting, was because of
this moment in history.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
That's wild because, like, obviously we've come long
after this, so like to us alwaysbeen always been popular, super
famous, it's like yeah if notthe most, one of the most
popular paintings in the worldyes, and it is because of this
that's crazy okay I guess Inever really realized that.
I know, I knew it was stolen.
Yes, I've known this again, notthe details, but I knew of this
(32:45):
story.
But the fact that this actuallyskyrocketed its popularity is
just wild.
Yes, so all right, continue,yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
So that's gross.
The theft is what made this.
I'm so sorry.
I need you to burp at least oneof these times on this podcast.
Okay, how often do I burp?
I don't know.
Jesus Christ, it's a bur.
At least one of these times onthis podcast.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
How often do I burp?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
It's a burp epidemic.
I'm sorry, beer seriously makesme burp.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I think different styles like this type, like a
sour is certainly affecting youa lot more, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Talk to me when I'm having Medela, because I don't
agree.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Go grab one.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
The museum called one person the chief inspector
lewis lapine.
Who's that?
He is the prefect of police infrance.
He is the sherlock holmes atthis time.
Okay, he has an ironcladreputation gotcha, gotcha
(33:46):
Reputation Okay.
He is very famous, he is verygood, he is very just.
He's Sherlock Holmes, okay,okay.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Sure, he's that Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
He came to the Louvre with a team of 60 policemen.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Holy balls Really.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
This is considered an insult to the french.
Why?
Because this is the.
The mona lisa is theirs at thispoint oh, sure it belongs in
the louvre.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
It is now a disgrace yeah, because like, where the
fuck is it?
Yes, it is a disgrace.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
So lapine also wasn't the only one that knew what
happened.
The theft was already makingheadlings in all the newspapers
including in the the americasokay, so telegrams radios it
spread, quickly it spreadquickly for the time
sure yes, it traveled around theworld in a matter of hours,
(34:42):
which is now in a matter ofseconds, right?
Like now would be seconds backthen it was a matter of hours,
right?
So one of the funniest thingswas the washington post printed
a picture of the stolen painting, but it wasn't the right
painting.
No, they printed something elseentirely, thinking that was the
mona lisa.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
That is how unknown this painting was that's wild to
think about.
Yes, you mentioned to anybodymy son might not know because
he's six, but anybody of acertain age they know exactly
what you're talking about.
Yes, the fact that it was sounknown.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
The Washington Post printed a completely different
kind of painting.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Wow isn't that crazy, that is crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, that's kind of funny so one of the biggest
things that lapine had to figureout was when exactly the
painting was stolen.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
So they kind of narrowed it down right, I mean
they probably focus on that hourexactly.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
the guy went by he actually interviewed the entire
staff just to see who was thelast one to witness it on the
walls, which he understood wasthe maintenance director, right,
and he said that he saw thepaintings during his rounds at
around 730.
Yep, and then at 835, a littlebit more specific 835, he
noticed the picture was goneRight.
So Lopin now knows that timeframe.
(36:05):
Yep, that hour time frame is oneon one missing yes, now another
person shows up to beinterviewed a plumber so he sees
a man in a stairwell it wasn'tsaid what stairwell, just in a
stairwell next to a locked door.
He was like sitting on thesteps next to a locked door.
Sure and this wascoincidentally the same
(36:28):
stairwell where the frame andthe um glass casing I kind of
figured that might be the caseso the plumber notices the
doorknob of this door wasmissing.
Oh, but it was still locked.
So the doorknob and the log aretwo separate entities, right,
yeah, correct like a deadboltand a handle.
Yeah, yeah so the plumber askedthe man sitting in the stairs
(36:50):
like do you know what's going onhere?
Are we missing a doorknob?
and the man was like I have noidea, I just got here myself, I
don't know what's going on rightso the plumber who had keys to
this building took out his keys,he unlocked the door, walked
through this exit and thenrelocked it after him
(37:11):
interesting okay, so man isstill in the staircase at this
point okay, okay he did notfollow the guy through, right?
Okay, so with this information,lapine now has to find like who
this man is, right?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
a lead a lead.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Um, it's really still not a lot to go on witness
testimony is not reliable at allnever is especially if you talk
to me well, you forgeteverything.
So but after, even after 24hours, the plumber really
couldn't give any kind ofindication of what this man
looked like.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
He was just another staff member.
Yeah, because at that point Isaw a person, that's literally
all it is.
I can't tell you his eye color,his hair color, whatever.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
No, I wasn't paying that close attention, because
why would I need to?
Speaker 1 (37:58):
You didn't need to at the time.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
So, lapine, he's a man of science, he's forward
thinking, he's a pioneer, he's apioneer, he is one of the first
policemen in the world to usefingerprinting as a means of
identification.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Okay, isn't that cool ?
Yeah, because that's reallywhen it started getting kind of
popular yes and realize that itcould be a actual thing of, yes,
importance so lapina's likeokay, this is new this this
thief is gonna be an idiot.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
He's foolish.
He doesn't know what it takesto not leave fingerprints behind
.
He doesn't know he needs towear gloves.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
He's got to leave behind fingerprints well,
because most people didn'trealize that because it was such
a new technology.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, so dun dun, dun .
He left a fingerprint.
He left a fingerprint behind onthe glass casing.
Okay, okay, but they don't knowwhich finger oh yeah, so it
could have been a the sciencewasn't that sophisticated, yeah
(39:00):
well, I mean it was, it was inproduction.
So they had all these likecriminal identity cards with all
fingerprints and I think therewas like 750 000 cards, god, and
they tried to go through eachand every one to figure out if
(39:21):
this single fingerprint matchedany of the 10 fingerprints per
card and and that's the thing,because back then, like today,
they feed it through a computerand it can pick the points they
literally had to, like what alittle magnifying yes, glass cup
thing that they used to put onthem to look at it yes they
would have to match it by eyeand like that takes fucking.
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And that's not even accurate.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
No, because that's literally just yep, that looks
right, yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Wow.
So Lapine the Greatest noticedthat the painting had been taken
out of the frame verydelicately, Sure, and he's like
it must have been someone whoknew how to do that properly.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Without causing any damage.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Well, because there was care taken in it?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
yes, there was it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Uh, I'm gonna steal that and just rip it out.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Exactly, they wanted it in good condition so he feels
like the pool of villains hasgone down drastically because
he's like it's got to be someonewho knows what they're doing I
love how you call it the pool ofvillains.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I think that's the name of the episode, unless you
come up with something betterthat's the name of the episode,
Unless you come up withsomething better.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
that's the name of the episode.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
So anyways.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
So Lapine, he was kind of like a hoity-toity
upperclassman kind of a guy,kind of snobbish.
He thought the person who didthis was extremely smart,
extremely coercive and veryupper-middle class.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
And I'm guessing he was wrong.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I will get to that.
But that's what Lapine was like.
He was trying to be allcriminal minds about it, sure.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Hey, you like that show.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
I do and be all like.
This is the profile of whowe're talking about.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Okay, sure, sure.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
So this detective man of science?
He actually tested how long itwould take for two policemen to
take a mock-up mona lisa and,like on the wall, get it down
and take it off of yeah and takeit off, just even take it off
the wall sure, sure with theseiron brackets.
It took them five minutes, twopolicemen, to get the mona lisa
(41:24):
fake mona off the wall.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
And that's two people .
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yes.
So then he had a museum workerwho was familiar with the layout
and all that.
Yeah, he had him.
Hey, come up here, take downthis painting for me.
I want to see how long it takesyou.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Five seconds.
Oh so with that knowledge, heprobably it's an inside job.
Huzzah, right, huzzah, that'san aggressive huzzah.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
We've narrowed down the pool of villains.
It had to have been an employeeor a former employee.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
I mean, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Ideally right.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
That would make sense , why that would be your
direction to go, because you andI go in there.
Hey, take this painting down.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Without ruining anything.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Oh fuck, pick a painting you don't care about
because this shit's gettingfucked up, yeah.
Or obviously you work there,you you've, especially at that
timeframe.
I'm sure things are differentnowadays, but you know how to
take it down.
It's like yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yeah, this is exactly how you take it down.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
That would clearly eliminate a lot of people.
So it's either, like you said,a current employee or a former
employee that worked at theLouvre.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
So that narrows it down to 256 of current employees
.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Oh there was that many there and they were all
going to get fingerprinted, sureMakes sense oh, there was that
many there and they were allgoing to get fingerprinted?
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Sure, makes sense, one by one.
A painstaking process, but noone matched the fingerprint on
the glass.
Okay, okay, so they widened thesearch.
Okay, sure, so people who usedto be employed at or for the
Louvre Okay, okay, so entersubcontractors the Gobié firm.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Gobié firm Mm-hmm Okay.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
They made wait for it , the protective glass casings
for the paintings.
Oh, that was their job.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
So they were commissioned to make these glass
paintings.
Sure, so at one point there wasa piece of art that got
vandalized, and so that's whenthey hired the Gobier firm to
like To start putting this glasspanels on the painting.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
So the firm gave Lapine a list of about five
people who worked in the samegallery hall as where the Mona
Lisa was hung.
All right, all five were calledinto questioning and one
no-called, no-showed.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I wonder why.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
No, no show he's like um how suspicious.
I gotta go hide that yeah, sothe man who didn't show up was
29 year old vincenzo perugiaokay, vincenzo, yes he was born
in a very small village in theAlps of Italy, near the border
of Switzerland, in 1881.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
I was going to say that's a very Italian name.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
So he was a migrant from Italy and he was incredibly
low class.
He was very, very poor and hehad a criminal record.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Oh dear.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Things are not stacking up.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Good for Vincenzo, oh , but wait, yes, things are not
stacking up.
Good for Vincenzo, oh, but wait.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
So Lepine noticed that he had been arrested once
for threatening a sex workerwith a knife.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
And once for theft.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
So Lepine, who was, like I said before, he was an
upper middle class snob.
He saw Perugia's background andwas like nah, let's go.
No, he was like.
Not this idiot.
Oh, because he wasn'tsophisticated enough, exactly.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yes, that's right, because you had said that okay,
yes, he was like now, so hediscounted.
See, that's, that's wild that'swild I'm sorry you have to
still fucking count this guy,but he's like no, he couldn't
have been that smart to do thisexactly.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Wow, he was not sophisticated enough to pull
this off.
He wasn't traveled, he wasn'tworldly, he wasn't educated, he
wasn't wealthy and he wasn't aconnoisseur of renaissance work
wow, that's wild, that's whattheir prejudice was yeah but
they did track him down anywayhe'd kind of be a fool not to
(45:20):
right.
So a week after the theft, okay,lapine sent a like junior
attack detective to perugia'sapartment.
So this guy, he travels upseveral flights of stairs,
enters his apartment and perugiahe is, this small framed
italian man with a big likebushy mustache a mustache a
(45:42):
mustache like a big mustacheyeah yeah, his apartment was a 9
by 13 room oh, my word, thatwas it.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
So I had like a toilet in the corner, a bed and
then maybe a couch probably noteven the toilet, but yeah, oh
yeah, a studio it was it was astudio do you have a bucket?
Speaker 2 (45:59):
you know what?
This is not part of my research, so we're gonna move on.
So he's got a bed.
He's got a small table.
He's got some chairs.
He's got a bed.
He's got a small table.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
He's got some chairs.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
He's got a trunk, not much else, right?
So during the interview,perugia said that he was at work
at the Garbier firm.
Okay, all day, alibi, okay,sure, alibi, yeah, I believe you
100%.
So the junior detective tookthat as fact, but he did do a
small search of Perugia'sapartment.
He found nothing, okay, okay.
(46:26):
So two weeks after the theft,the newspapers, who were hearing
nothing from the police orLapine Lapine wasn't saying
anything about the investigationthey started to come up with
their own plan.
Oh geez, they wanted to restoreFrance's reputation and pride
by seeing this to an end.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
So they created their own reward for information on
the theft.
Oh really 50,000 francs, whichis over a million pounds today.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Holy crap.
Huge.
I mean, yeah, that's, oh,that's huge.
What is it?
Huge, okay, just making sure Iheard that right.
Huge Okay, Okay, stop.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
The results were immediate.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
Well, yeah, because that's I want A significant Huge
.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
I'm not afraid Jesus.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Christ, let's move on from huge.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
So a man comes forward and he actually writes a
letter he doesn't visually comein.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Oh, so he wrote them a letter and sent it to them.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Yes, and he says it's actually not that hard to steal
from the Louvre, because I'vedone it oh.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
He says I have stolen Iberian statues and I had to
look up Iberian because I havenot heard that, what is that?
But it's of Spain or Portugalheritage.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
I didn't statues and I had to look up Iberian because
I have not heard that.
What is that?
But it's of.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Spain or Portugal heritage?
I didn't know that.
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yeah, iberian without the S, siberian without the S
and not as cold.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
And this guy says I have stolen these statues and
I've actually sold them.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Oh shit, Really yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
And he sold them to an up-and-coming painter.
Okay, can you guess who thatpainter was, knowing that it was
an iberian statue from spainand portugal?
Can you guess who this painterwas that purchased these stolen
statues?
Speaker 1 (48:16):
picasso, pablo, picasco, baby did you know he
lived to like 1974?
No, something like that, noyeah that's not part of my
research why would it be?
Speaker 2 (48:28):
pablo picasso purchased these stult.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yes, yes bradley, his hand is raised.
Do I get points?
Speaker 2 (48:35):
yes, go get yourself another beer, hold, please, hold
please and we're back.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Thanks for waiting.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
And what'd you get?
Speaker 1 (48:45):
I got a summer shandy Very good, a lot different from
what we just had.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
A good go-to, though it's a classic, but isn't that
insane Pablo Picasso all of asudden just comes on the scene.
Yeah, actually.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
so the detectives went to Picasso's house his home
To see if he actually had thesestatues.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Well to see if he potentially had the painting the
Mona Lisa.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Why would he think that though?
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Because he's already purchased stolen goods.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Known stolen goods, so maybe this guy purchased the
painting as well.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yes, so they went, they found these Iberian statues
in Picasso's home.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Did they take them back?
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yes, so Picasso actually used those statues as
inspiration for one of hispaintings.
Which painting it's called theYoung Ladies of Avignon.
Huh, and I'm going to show youwhat it looks like.
Okay, and I will probably putthis on social media, media, but
(49:44):
I don't want it to be confusedwith like them, you know, like
who, who we're really who we'reactually talking about.
Right, right, right but, um,this is, if you can describe it,
for people.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
This is the young ladies of emil it's look like
they're all wearing pink outfitsand it's very like abs.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
This is considered like one of the most like the
earliest versions of what wewould consider modern art.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Oh, sure, okay yeah, I mean very angular yeah, a lot
of a lot of angles in it, a lotof like not curves, if you will,
just more very angular, yeahthe faces the noses.
Five different ladies in there.
Is that what I'm counting?
Speaker 2 (50:22):
and it's all very like pink and red very, a lot of
pink.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
So I've never seen that painting before yeah, so
that was um the ladies, theyoung ladies of eminion.
So picasso was arrested andheld for several days, days, but
they couldn't, they couldn'tbuild a case around him for the
Mona Lisa.
So they released him.
Why was he arrested?
Because he had these stolenstatues.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
But he didn't steal them.
He purchased them.
He might not have known theywere stolen.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
It's fair, but they were also still trying to make a
case for him, and it's not liketoday where they have to be
like no, you absolutely did it,here's the proof, et cetera.
We're going to hold you.
Instead, back then it was we'regoing to hold you and then try
to prove it.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
So guilty before innocent?
Yeah, exactly, exactly, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
So they did end up releasing him, and that's the
last we kind of hear of Picasso.
But that's so ironic.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
That's funny.
Yeah, no, because of the timeframe that you brought up, I'm
like, well, it's got to bePicasso, Because I'm not saying
I'm a Picasso historian by anystretch, but I knew he lived
around that time.
But yeah, he lived to be like Imight be getting the year wrong
, but he was around for a longtime.
(51:34):
It's like it's weird to thinkabout because of how iconic he
is as a painter, that there'sanother small one.
It's just like, wait, he didn'tdie until when, yeah, so anyways
.
So back to back to Mona Lisasmile.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
So the public and the newspapers were kind of
starting to realize that theworld's greatest detective may
not have been the greatest.
It's like this one little markon this guy's reputation, this
little blemish on his record,and now he's a pariah.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Whatever.
So instead of being SherlockHolmes, he's more like Sherlock
Homie, yeah, or Ghetto Sure,sure.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Wow.
So the newspaper articles ofthe Mona Lisa disappearance.
They start to dwindle in sizeand in frequency.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Okay, because it's just taking so long.
Yeah, there's been so much timein between.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
When this happened, people are like yeah, so a
couple things actually happenedduring this time okay to where
the mona lisa is no longer frontpage news, right, these other
things are okay.
The headlines during this timean automobile was used for the
first time as a getaway carafter a bank robber.
That's fantastic, yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
And secondly, the sinking of the titanic on april
15th 1912 yeah, yeah, wow yeahso the titanic knocked the mona
lisa out of the news pretty mucha year later.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
That's wild at this time 1912 yeah the disappearance
of the mona l Lisa is nowconsidered a cold case.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Wow, okay, yes, I suppose.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
So Lapine.
He had a nice, long,respectable, rewarding career.
He actually ended up retiringin March 1913, never having
solved this case.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Way to go, Lapine.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Isn't that awful?
I mean, he's so respected andso well regarded.
And this case, way to go,lapine, isn't that awful?
I mean, he's like so respectedand so well regarded, and this
one Kind of killed it.
This one, last one, he couldn'tget.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yeah, and it just kind of made people's perception
of him be a little differenttoo.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Yeah, which is?
Speaker 1 (53:36):
wild.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
So 28 months after the theft in December of 1913, a
Florence-based art dealer getsa letter in the mail.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
Oh correspondence.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
The letter is written in Italian, but it arrived from
Paris.
Okay.
It says I have the Mona Lisaand I want to sell it to you
with a 25% discount, as you'reItalian and I want this painting
in Italy Because Leonardo wasItalian.
(54:09):
Right, I want this painting inItaly.
It was signed Leonardo V, okay,okay.
So the art dealer feels likethis might just be the real deal
, as the painting has beenmissing for so long, no one
knows what's up with this.
So he contacts the museumdirector of Uffizi, which is
(54:34):
Italy's version of the Louvre.
Oh, so it's another museumUffizi.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
U-F-F-I-Z-I.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
Okay, that's weird.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah.
So the director was like I'llauthenticate this painting once
we all meet up, so once I get ityeah, that kind of thing yeah.
Okay.
So if it's the real painting,the art dealer agrees to give
Leonard a finder's fee of whatwould have been a half a million
pounds today.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
Good Lord, so what does it mean?
A finder's fee?
Speaker 2 (55:07):
Like, like Leonard wanted, like hey, I found the
painting, I want a reward for it.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
So they're just discounting the fact that he
could have been the one thatstole it.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Oh no.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
They're smarter than that, okay, good.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
So on December 17th the two Italians meet up with
leonard and who's in his hotelroom in florence okay, okay and
they?
He is not at all what theythought no how so?
He's unkempt.
Oh, he's down on his luck.
He's young and he's veryunintelligent okay okay, wow.
So leonard pulls out this trunk,he opens it, he tosses out
(55:45):
shoes, paintbrushes, clothing,just random things, and they're
all like what the hell is this?
What the fuck?
But then he pulls out a falsebottom, oh, and underneath he
pulls out something wrapped inred velvet Sure, it's the Mona
Lisa.
That's fucking wild, at leastthat's what it looks like, right
, okay, it's the mona lisa.
That's fucking wild, at leastthat's what it looks like, right
(56:05):
okay.
So the museum director he's notlike, he's very like
sophisticated, and it's like.
People have copied this work,of course over and over again.
You talked about that in thebeginning, exactly so I have to
prove this 100 essentially sothe, the museum director, flips
it over to the backside andlooks at the back of the
painting.
Why?
(56:26):
Because on the back of thispainting is where they would
label everywhere that thispainting has been.
So there's markings, there'sloose numbers, there's literally
a history in writing on theback of this painting.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
I didn't realize they did that.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
Yes, so I watched this art restoration guy um
Baumgartner's um restoration.
He's from Chicago and heliterally puts a sticker on the
back of every single painting hedoes to signify like who
cleaned it, how he cleaned it,repaired it, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
Well, that makes sense.
It's just like a same thing.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
Well, that makes sense it's just like a log of
what happened Exactly, so it's adetailed history of where this
painting has been and the museumdirector has seen photos of the
back of this painting.
Speaker 1 (57:14):
Oh really.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
And he is so close to confirming that this is
actually the Mona Lisa.
But he has to be sure he can'tquite say it yet.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
You can't fuck this up.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Yes, exactly exactly so he's like I need to match the
varnish cracks in the paint.
Oh, from years of exposure anddrying and everything, yeah to
archival photographs okay it isessentially a fingers nope, a
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painting's fingertips nope thisis a.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
This is like watching a car crash.
Oh, what is it?
Now paintings, fingerprints oh,my god, like the varnish
fingerprints Fingerprints.
Wow that we got there.
It was rough.
I'm a little scarred for lifenow so I feel a little dumber,
but we got there.
Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
So the director needs to take this painting back to
Uffizi.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:19):
To see the painting on the magnifying glass and
compare it to the pictures thathe has Right and Leonardo lets
them take it.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
What a?
Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 2 (58:33):
Without payment Just bye-bye.
Bargaining chip Just buh-bye.
Go ahead, take it.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Well, he really is an idiot, and the Italians are
like they told Leonardo well,well, if the painting checks out
, yeah, we'll go ahead and sendthe award in the mail checks in
the mail yeah, exactly, oh mygod what a fucking moron.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
I'm sorry if you then , or no, fuck off.
Wow, what a moron.
Yeah, what a dumb shit.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
So well, hey there, the archival photos match the
painting.
The Mona Lisa has been found.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
And so this was 28 months after it went missing.
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
So, of course, instead of sending Leonard the
finder's fee fee, they sent theitalian police you don't say now
okay.
So, leonard, you would thinkthat, like the painting leaves
his possession, he he made amistake.
He needs to get the fuck out ofthere, does he no?
Speaker 1 (59:38):
no, because he's like well he's still at the hotel
they're like they're gonnaverify it and then they're gonna
give send me a check.
What a dumb.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
Fuck the police show up, he's arrested.
Naturally, of course, leonardis vincenzo perugia there you go
, vincenzo.
Yes, he was a worker who noshow during the initial
investigation and if you werearound for the beginning of the
episode, okay, yes, right, rightright oops.
So he was just using an aliasto try and cover his ass at
(01:00:08):
least he was smart in thatregard, but okay and that was.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I was literally just gonna say that how do you come
up with, like you know, what I?
Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
need make an alias.
Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
I need to use an alias, but I'm a fucking idiot
in the rest of my life.
How do you not come up with,like seriously, how you okay
there A shiver, yeah, how areyou that dumb, but yet you can
come up with an alias?
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Yeah, it's, it's, it's definitely different.
But so the police are like howdid you do this?
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
How are you so dumb you?
Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
still managed to do this, but yet you were able to
pull this off.
Yeah, so Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
He gives the details.
So Perugia arrives at theLouvre at 7 am and climbs the
grand staircase not encounteringanyone.
The Louvre is closed.
There's no one around, so hewalks into the gallery where the
Mona Lisa is hung.
He no one around, so he walksinto the gallery where the Mona
Lisa is hung.
Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
He looks around and he listens To see if he hears
anybody.
No one is near.
Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Okay, he easily pulls the painting off the wall
Because he was familiar with it.
Yes, he was familiar, so nearbyis an employee staircase.
Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Yeah, the servant hall or whatever.
You said yes, exactly Whatever,yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
So he goes down several flights of stairs and he
takes the painting out of theframe and the protective casing
and he keeps it there.
Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Does he just like roll it up like a poster?
I mean, how did he?
Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
So no, it's on canvas .
Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
So he's just tucking it under his arm.
Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
That's so wild.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Yeah.
So he goes down several moreflights of stairs without the
frame and he goes to that sidedoor, the one without the handle
.
Yes, so it's locked.
He doesn't have a key, but thedoorknob is there.
He has a screwdriver on thisperson and he removes the
doorknob to try to get out.
(01:01:58):
Oh, but it didn't work becausehe didn't get far enough until
he heard the plumber coming downthe stairs.
So he had to act quickly sit onthe stairs and act like he just
got there right so that's whenthe plumber's like, hey, there's
not a doorknob here.
What happened, and perugia'slike?
I don't know, I just got here,yeah so the plumber unlocks the
(01:02:23):
door, steps out, locks, locksthe door behind him and
Perugia's like fuck.
Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Okay, what does he do ?
Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
He goes back the way he came down the grand staircase
.
Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Well, I mean, what else is he going to do, I guess
though.
Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
But nobody sees him.
Wow, he literally leaves themuseum the same way he came in.
Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
it literally took 20 minutes from start to finish and
with a short little stint of Igotta sit here and play stupid
yes, yes but how did?
Okay?
Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
this guy's an idiot so, but why did he do it?
Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
yeah, because he wanted it back in italy.
Yes, because he thought it wasowed to Italy.
Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
So Italians were the largest migrants in France.
Oh, they were.
They were the workers, thecraftsmen, the painters, the
lowest of the low Sure.
Okay, and Perugia wantedrevenge.
Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Revenge.
Wow he was bullied.
Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
He was bullied.
All the Italians essentiallyquote unquote were bullied by
the French.
He was thinking okay, why areyou protecting these paintings,
these treasures that you haveclaimed and then go about
ridiculing the same Italiansthat created them?
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
I can understand where he's coming from, sure.
Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
But there is a theory that that's not the entire
motive that perugia had.
Perugia might have thought thatthe italian paintings were
stolen by the french.
Oh so, but regardless.
Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Leonardo da vinci gave it to king louis as a gift
in france which is why it washung in the louvre well, no, I
mean, it makes sense, becauseit's not like just because it
was painted in Italy, or theperson who is Italian, or, as
Kate likes to say, italian,although you did say Italian
before.
Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
I know, I tried really hard.
Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
I paid attention, anyways even just because
they're Italian doesn't meanlike Italy owns it, the painter
owns it and he can do whateverthe fuck he wants with it yeah.
So if Leonardo da Vinci wantsto give it to king louis or
whoever, for that fucking matter, fuck off dude?
Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
yeah, but he didn't know that well, he thought it
was stolen potentiallypotentially stolen, but either
way, I so.
Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Okay, I get where his on potential motive, his
potential motive, even thoughit's not very well thought out.
Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Yeah, I guess we'll say yeah, okay okay, so perugia
was sentenced in an Italiancourt for 12 months.
Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
He only got 12 months .
Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Oh, but wait.
Okay, he only served seven.
Because why?
Because he was labeled as apatriot in Italy.
Because of his motives, becausehe was trying to bring this
faith Something back motivesbecause he was trying to bring
something back.
Yes, he was trying to okaybuild up the reputation of italy
and bringing this fantasticpiece of artwork back, because
(01:05:13):
he thought that it was stolen bythe french and he got five
months reduced off his.
Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Yeah, I mean it's probably, obviously it's well
different.
I mean that's over 100 yearsago when this happened.
But to think that he only got12 months for stealing the Mona
Lisa.
Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
But it wasn't the Mona Lisa at the time.
Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Let me finish the, the, the, yeah.
Let me finish Knowing that it'sobviously a lot different now,
but take any popular.
Every time you take a sip now,it's just funny, it's the back
end.
Yeah, I know, but just takeanything popular.
Mona lisa, obviously, whatever,anything popular taylor, swift
(01:05:55):
album, whatever oh my god, youat least get five years for a
taylor swift album.
I mean fuck christ anywho, butno, it's just.
It's just funny that like tothink about you.
Like you only got 12 months andonly surf seven.
That's just crazy okay.
Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
So by stealing the mona lisa, perugia
unintentionally obviouslycreated a worldwide icon yeah,
because, like you said, nobodyfucking knew about it.
Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
I have a.
Do you have a question?
What painting did thewashington post actually put out
there?
Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
I actually don't know , but it was actually very
similar in, in, in style ofappeal.
It was a woman um kind of inthe same kind of positioning and
everything.
Yeah, gotcha okay, so perugia'stheft also catapulted art theft
in general.
Oh, people are willing to buythese paintings for a premium
(01:06:52):
price.
Right, art theft is the one ofthe highest grossing criminal
trades worldwide, only third todrugs and arms trades.
Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Really, it's still that high.
Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Even to this day.
Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Isn't that nuts?
I wouldn't have guessed that.
It just doesn't seem like.
It seemed like I don't know howyou even word it More
romanticized in my brain fromlike years ago.
Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
basically, yeah, yeah , isn't that crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
No, I would have never guessed it's that high.
Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Okay, so today the Mona Lisa is no longer insured.
Because it can't be it used tobe.
Yeah, because it can't be, itused to be yeah.
But now no insurance companycould possibly pay the high
price for a replacement orrepair, because the painting is
(01:07:53):
now considered irreplaceable andpriceless.
Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Correct, so no monetary value is ever going to
be assigned to this painting.
Do you know what?
The last?
Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
monetary value ever assigned to it was um.
I did write it down at onepoint and ended up deleting it,
but it was it was severalmillion.
Uh, which back?
That was back in the 60s.
Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
It was several million so even you know yeah,
inflation, yeah so now it's justtoo much.
Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
So they're like, no, this is just priceless.
Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Well it's, I mean, you think about it, it's 500
years old, over 500 years old.
Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Nothing like that is.
I mean, I'm sure there's reallygood painters today, but like
for some, like nothing likethat's ever going to be created
again.
No, I mean just the masterpiecethat it is.
Yeah, with da vinci was afucking genius.
Yeah, I mean, everything youdid was amazing yeah so yeah, I
can.
Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
I can understand why you can't put a price on it so
in the louvre, the mona lisa hasbeen ever since it's deframing,
except for a few world tours.
Right, right, it did, it didtour a couple things.
Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
A couple places Did I just see a photograph not that
long ago, where it was in theStates, and it was JFK looking
at it.
Yes, and Jackie, yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
So it has been in the Louvre ever since, except for
some of those world tours.
And it's been preserved by.
It has has its own climatecontrolled room isn't that crazy
and a pane of bulletproof glassin front of it to ensure its
protection.
Yeah, it's constantlysurrounded by security guards,
cameras and high, high qualitysurveillance systems of course,
(01:09:39):
yeah, but that is the story ofvincenzo Perugia and the Mona
Lisa heist.
Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
I feel like we need to watch the Thomas Crown of
Ferdow.
Ooh, I love that movie.
I've never seen the original,have you?
Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
I don't think I have.
Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
No, I don't either.
Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Pierce Brosnan, rene Russo and Ed Harris.
No, no, oh.
Dennis Leary, yes.
Dennis Leary, yes, yes, it hasa great soundtrack.
Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Yeah, I like the music in it.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Old cinema.
Man, where do you run to Oldcinema?
Damn it.
Now I need to watch that.
Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Right.
Doesn't that make you want towatch that movie though?
Yes, I really enjoy that movieand, like so, a good friend of
Corey's my brother and I wasfriends with him too.
His name was Jimmy Branstom I'msaying his last name wrong, god
damn it.
He passed away.
He was pretty young.
He had some, it was cancer orsomething, I don't remember what
(01:10:35):
the fuck.
It was Really sad, because hewas a great guy but he did
photography and stuff.
But he was very goodartistically as well photography
and stuff, but he's very goodartistically as well.
So back in the day, because ofthat movie, I wanted to name an
album bowler hats and uh, whatwas it?
Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
uh, isn't there lines or something in it?
I don't remember it's apainting, a famous painting that
is portrayed in the movie.
Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Yeah, correct, and that's where I got that from.
Um, it's something like bowler,bowler hats and like rocket, I
don't know.
I have the picture somewhere.
I have to get that to pick itup, but I had to create it but
it was.
It was influenced off of thatmovie with that painting in it,
because obviously the paintingsin the movie or whatever.
But yeah, I love that movieanyways it's good yeah, so um.
Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
So a lot of my um research came from um an awesome
youtube channel um it is calledstealing the mona lisa, art
theft of the century, andthey're they um interviewing um
the author of a book that hadthat he wrote about the stealing
(01:11:45):
of the mona lisa.
So very cool, yeah.
So what?
Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
do you think so?
I, I think it's cool because,like again, I knew that it was
stolen once.
For some reason in my head, Ialways thought it was gone
longer than what it actually wasand, um, I didn't know any
details about it.
Basically, it was quite, quiteinteresting to uh, to uh learn,
(01:12:11):
learn a bit more.
Um, I I think it's funny how uh, this guy was such a fucking
idiot in terms of like saying,hey, I got it, let's uh sell
this or whatever after two yearsafter you know 28 months.
So like do you think within thattime frame he just sat on it
(01:12:34):
and then this is the time I needto sell it yeah, um, I think he
waited until like it died.
Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
It died down yeah, and I think he got like scared
when they came to his apartment.
Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Oh, I would imagine so.
Yeah, he was like I'm going tosit on this for a bit For some
reason in my brain and I'm notsaying I have no basis for why I
would even think this way.
I always thought it was hiddenin an attic or something.
Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
I don't know why I thought that or why that would
even it might be another famouspainting that's been hidden
could be.
Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
yeah, I might be mixing it up, but like do you
think, when they showed up athis apartment, that this was
hidden in that false bottom at?
That time too, yeah, 100 it's aone room, small little fucking
piece of shit apartment didn'thave like extra rooms and
storage or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
They looked under the bed Right right yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
So I'm guessing he probably had that at that time
already.
And it was in the apartmentwhen that junior detective, or
whatever the fuck you call himwent to go talk to him.
So that's just crazy.
Because you think about it,it's like I could have been five
feet away from that painting,never fucking knew this.
Oh, he was Probably yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
So I actually got this idea for the art theft from
a book that you let me borrow,oh that's my book, yeah.
Yeah, so this is called theBook of Amazing History and I
actually don't even know whoit's by.
It doesn't even say on thefront cover it's Publications
International Limited.
(01:14:06):
It honestly doesn't even have aauthor that's alright but it's
a ton of different randomhistorical stories, and this
particular one was under likethe title of famous art heists
of the World, and this was oneof them.
(01:14:29):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
I'm glad we got a story like that, because I got
that from my mother-in-law.
Yeah, for Christmas, forChristmas, yeah, and I thought
that was super cool, so I letyou borrow it so you could kind
of see if we got any topics.
Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
That's what I got it from.
Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
I'm so happy that you did that's great, me too
fantastic.
Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
It was a good book, yeah yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Yeah, I just still I find it funny.
It's like, what do you callthem?
What was his alias?
Leonard v it's like vincenzo.
You fucking idiot or leonardoda vinci, like we don't know
know what he was trying to gofor I feel like he took Leonardo
and changed it to Leonardo andthen V for Vincenzo.
Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Perhaps I mean who knows?
Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
What a fucking idiot.
Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
He wasn't very smart.
Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
But he was patriotic and passionate.
Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Smart enough to get away with it for two years.
Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Yeah, he really likes Italy.
So Stop it Sorry.
Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
You're not the first person to make fun of my Italian
.
Yeah, italian Italian yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Well, it's just funny , because, like you say Italy,
but you say Italian, I'm goingto say Italian.
I know, stop it, I know Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
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Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
What do you think?
I really liked it.
It's not something I would wantto have all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
It's so unique.
It's very unique.
I really liked it.
Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
But I really liked that we got a crawler.
Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
And I finished my first beverage on the podcast.
I actually finished it.
Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
That's impressive.
Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
I guess we were talking a lot.
I finished two Shut up.
Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
And actually you don't even have a pint glass.
I do, I did.
Your glass is smaller so therewas extra in the can because
it's a 32-ounce can.
So I had 16 ounces.
Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
You have, whatever that is I suppose All right,
buffoons.
Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
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