March 18, 2025 • 39 mins
The name Elizabeth Bathory evokes images of horror and blood-soaked legends, but behind the macabre reputation lies a fascinating historical figure shaped by the tumultuous forces of Renaissance Europe. Born in 1560 to a powerful Hungarian noble family, the woman who would become known as the "Blood Countess" navigated a world caught in the violent struggle between the Habsburg Empire and Ottoman Turks.
From an early age, Elizabeth's life defied conventional expectations. Exceptionally educated and fluent in four languages, she suffered from what was likely epilepsy – a condition her family kept secret to avoid supernatural accusations. Growing up in a society where violence was normalized and brutality commonplace, she witnessed regular punishment of servants and the harsh realities of noble authority.
When just fifteen, Elizabeth married Count Ferenc Nádasdy, uniting two influential families in a political alliance. Remarkably, she maintained her prestigious Bathory name, hinting at her family's extraordinary status. Her husband soon departed for years of warfare, leaving the teenage Elizabeth to independently manage their extensive estates – a responsibility at which she apparently excelled.
Perhaps most surprisingly, historical records reveal zero complaints from peasants under her rule – unusual for any noble of the era. While her husband gained notoriety for brutally torturing Ottoman prisoners, Elizabeth provided medical care and supported war widows, suggesting a more complex character than her infamous reputation indicates.
The Blood Countess's story unfolds against the backdrop of Transylvania's unique position as a semi-independent state caught between empires but pioneering unprecedented religious tolerance through the Edict of Torda in 1568. This contradictory world of extreme violence and progressive ideas helped shape the woman whose name would become synonymous with legendary cruelty.
Join us for this two-part exploration as we separate historical fact from lurid fiction and examine the complex reality of Elizabeth Bathory's life and times. Subscribe now and follow us on social media @HistoryBuffoonsPodcast to continue this dark journey into one of history's most misunderstood figures.
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the Blood Countess.
Yes, elizabeth Bathory, is thathow you're supposed to say it,
as far as you learned?
So I heard elizabeth batterywhich is the american probably.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I'm pretty sure I've heard of elizabeth right yep
battery sure like a battery inyour phone right I like how you
went to battery in your phone asopposed to any other thing that
can use batteries.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I thought car said phone, car battery remote
control, I mean either waytelevision remote.
I was called the channelchanger growing up.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I used to have to go over to our giant box of TV.
Yeah, hey, brad, go to channelsix.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, you were the channel changer.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, pretty much, because back in the day, remote
controls were a newfangled thingand you went old school and
said, hey, kid channel now.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Okay, I've also heard Airzabet.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I've heard that before.
Actually Airzabet Battery.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Okay, I've also heard um air is a bet.
I've heard that before.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Actually there's a bet that battery.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Okay, so it's spelled B A T H O R Y, right, but in
Hungary it kind of separates B AT from.
H O R.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Y so battery.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Sure Okay, so blood countess.
Yes, why so blood countess?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Why.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Because she used to bathe in the blood of virgin
females to try and make herselfyoung and or reverse aging
basically yes, yes, that is thetheory Correct.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yes, so she was born August 7th 1560 in Hungary.
All right, and she was borninto like a super powerful
family.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, they were pretty high status right.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
They were, and for good measure, despite the ironic
nature of this.
As you will figure out, herlast name, Bathory, means good
hero, oh jeez.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I guess that depends on what side you look at.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Oh dear so her parents were actually cousins oh
yes, first they were both likepart of the battery family, just
in different like lineages.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Okay, so they are cousins gotcha, I did not know
that but that was kind of athing back then well, yeah,
especially in families of power.
I guess we'll call them yeah,exactly yeah um.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
She grew up in a castle whose name I can't
pronounce.
Um, I'm not surprised exit whatis?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
how do you spell it?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
e-c-s-e-d e-c-s-e-d exit exit-C-S-E-D Exed Exed I
like either one.
Exed Castle, okay, and she wasactually really really smart,
was she?
Yes, okay, her parents madesure she got like a top-notch
education.
She was fluent in Hungary,obviously, latin, greek and
(10:20):
German.
Oh, wow, yeah, so she alsodealt with seizures and
headaches, oh dear.
So eventually they presumed itwas epilepsy, but back then they
didn't really understand that,of course, and they honestly
thought that it was somethingspooky.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Something sinister.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah, something sinister as a foot.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
From the great beyond .
Exactly, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So they thought it was kind of supernatural.
So they actually kind of keptit hush hush in the family.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Well, yeah, because they don't want to ever be
burned as a witch or something.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, which they maybe should have.
That's also a thing, butElizabeth was living in a time
when things were changing.
It was called the Renaissance.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Renaissance, renaissance yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
On one hand, she's getting getting this proper
education for a woman.
Plus she's navigating areligious shift with the
Protestants and the CatholicChurch Right.
So her life is a bit of amixture of new world and old
world.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Was it pretty Catholic in Hungary?
Yes, was it?
Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And she also grew up in a time where violence was
fairly normal?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
well, I mean, because what, what, what year did you
say she was born again?
I'm sorry 1560 so she was what60, 80 years before, like after
uh dracula roughly lord, havemercy.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Let's look at vlad the impealer.
Don't you know?
Don't you know.
Let's look at vlad the impealer.
He used 1431.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
He was born okay, I was a little bit off, I'm sorry
yeah, 1431 130 years and I meanlook what he did, and that's
when he was born, so he wasobviously up until the.
I guess I was probably goingmore towards the later part of
his life, but yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
He Vladimir Peeler.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Don't you know.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
He was assassinated in December 1476.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
1476.
Okay, fair enough 31 to 76.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Okay, okay, okay.
Don't you know, don't you knowVladimir Peeler.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
So violence, right, she had seen lots of shit.
She saw servants gettingwhipped, people from lower
classes getting all sorts ofpunishments.
Right Back then they justdidn't see violence as the way
we do now.
Obviously it was kind ofdesensitized.
Well, it was pretty normal.
Yeah, whipping was standard andthey chop off your hand for
(12:51):
stealing and if you're a womansuspected of witchcraft or
acting unwomanly quote unquotethey would burn you at the stake
like steak and shake or that'sactually not great.
I mean, the steaks, the shakesare good, but you've been there,
I've never been yeah, it's anillinois thing.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Well, I mean okay anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
So they were burned at the stake or drowned for
being unwomanly.
Oh dear um.
So treason also, um twistedtorture methods designed to
cause, like maximum maximum,maximum, maximum, maximum pain
before killing you um, so, yeah,so they, they did a lot of
(13:31):
twisted shit, for sure.
So oh, to make it like a littlecherry on top, it was her
family that was doing this.
Well, right, because they werethe family of power.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
She was powerful, right, so she was a countess.
Did her parents have thesimilar title?
What were they?
Speaker 1 (13:48):
They were baron and baroness.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
So she actually had like a full family.
So her uncles were one of thehighest ranking officials in
Transylvania and she's chiefjustice of Hungary.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Another married the queen of Poland and became king
of Poland.
His name is Stefan Bathory.
Okay and a couple of hercousins were end up princes of
Transylvania.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Oh really.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
So like it's all in the family.
So they weren't like youraverage rich nobles they own.
They did own land, like allover the place modern day
hungary, slovakia, romania andthey weren't just comfortable,
they were very rich I didn'tknow that that denoted being
(14:44):
very rich, wow.
So they ended up lending moneyto the Austrian Habsburgs.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
And who are they?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
So they are a very, very, very powerful,
long-standing family.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Okay, how long were they in power for?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Over 600 years.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Holy shit really.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, save like five.
Wow, yeah, like there was thislittle stint in the middle, I
don't know what happened?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, a little hiccup , but they came back Fair enough
.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, so they were like the royal family in Europe,
wow.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I'm sorry, what was their name?
Again, real quick.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Habsburgs H-A-B-S Habsburgs.
I feel like I've heard of that,but I'm not bringing it up, I
mean 600 years.
Well, right.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
And that's why I'm like I know, I've never heard of
them.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I don't know, I don names, just reminded me of
something else or if I'veactually heard them, but you
would think they've been inpower for 600 years, with a
little hiccup in the middle.
It was like 636 years.
Shit, yeah, that's crazy.
Yeah, so they were in austriawith vienna as their capital,
and then for a little bit duringlike elizabeth's time, they um
(15:58):
that, they partook in prague fora little bit, okay, but they
basically produced kings forHungary, spain, portugal, like
you name it.
They controlled all the littlecolonies too, okay, so they were
also super clever, okay.
They got power through fightingwars and marrying into other
(16:20):
royal families Right, and allthe marrying into families was
not great for the gene pool.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Well, no, because when you start to, there's a
really good Nirvana album calledIncesticide.
Anyways, yeah, no.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
The Habsburgs actually came up with a serious
health problem called thehapsburg jaw is that?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
that's like really really long chin, like all legit
, okay.
Is jay lenoa secretly ahapsburg?
No, okay.
So now that you bring that up,yes, I do know of them.
I know of one in particular, ifI'm not mistaken.
I could be wrong or whatever,but yes, okay, that makes sense
yeah, so during elizabeth's life, the habsburgs were at their
(17:09):
peak right.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, so they were sorry.
They were basically running theholy roman empire.
And then, um, even though theholy roman emperor was
technically elected, they wereall elected by the elite.
Yeah, so they were alwayselected.
Imagine that, ha ha well theyalready own so much of the
(17:31):
empire.
Why not just be the emperor youknow?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
well when they're that powerful and that many
people probably follow them andwhatever it's pretty easy to get
elected for that, so that makessense but they're like
batteries.
Batteries were like hobnobbing,elbow rubbing yeah, like with
all these people going to thesame parties yeah I mean some
balls and shit balls, I meansquare dances, I mean something
(17:55):
I don't know, the square danceback then I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I like the round balls over square dancing.
So the Holy Roman Empire.
That was one of the weirdestexchanges we've ever had on here
Square dancing, but the ball isaround.
No, I got it, I got it.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
If people could have seen your gestures, I guess that
would have been weird.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Maybe we shouldn't take this video.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Well, luckily we haven't started video yet.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
You are so welcome people.
So the Holy Roman Empirecovered a ton of land Germany,
austria, parts of France andItaly and a bunch more and they
thought they were the real dealand they were super serious
about punishing their Catholicbeliefs on everybody.
But then there was this wholeMartin Luther putting up like
(18:55):
Protestants, all that.
Yeah, he put up a 95 thesiswhich was written in 1517.
I think it was up against aCatholic church, Was it?
It was in Germany.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
He's from Germany, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, so basically it argued salvation through faith
alone, right?
So all this Protestantism andCatholicism were clashing?
Yes, thank you.
Now, if you wereCatholicism-tisms and
Catholic-tisms were.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Clashing yes, thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Now, if you were a country like Hungary, smack dab
in the middle of all of this,you were basically at the mercy
of the Roman Empire and thepowerful Habsburgs.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And they could do pretty much whatever they wanted
.
And to make things worse, after1453, from the west, they were
also another big threat loomingin the east.
Who was that?
Well, that is, the OttomanTurks.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Damn right, it is.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
The Ottoman Empire.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Hungary was getting squeezed from all sides.
Yeah, they were in a very badposition they were for them and
the Habsburgs were alwaysmeddling, and then the Ottoman
Turks were constantly trying tolike invade Hungary and it
pretty much affected Elizabeth'slife and I will kind of dwell
on that a little bit fartherdown okay.
(20:19):
Um, but then back in 1490,hungary lost their king,
matthias Corvinus.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Corvinus.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Mm-hmm, and at the time, the Ottoman Turks took
Constantinople, which isIstanbul.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
But if you're in Constantinople, you're actually
in Istanbul.
But if you're in Istanbul, itwas Constantinople.
Here's a song Istanbul wasConstantinople, now it's
Istanbul.
Istanbul is Constantinople, nowit's Istanbul, not
Constantinople.
So if you've a date inConstantinople, she'll be
waiting you, istanbul.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Who's it by?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Fuck, if I know You've never heard that.
No, oh well, because I made itup, ain't I brilliant.
So the Ottoman Turks, turks?
No, oh well, because I made itup, ain't I brilliant.
So the Ottoman Turks, turks,turks took Constantinople, which
is now Istanbul.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Did you know there's a song about that?
Anyways, oh, my face hurts fromlaughing.
This is serious business.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
This is a serious story, all right.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Turks Istanbul, constantinople.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
So King Matthias had built this really strong army to
protect Hungary.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Okay, but he fucking died.
Did they say what he died of,or do you not have?
No, I don't have that, butthings went downhill pretty fast
after that because it seemedlike, was that like all of a
sudden kind of I think thing forhim?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
yes, was it?
Yes, but I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I don't I don't think I read, no, that's all right,
um.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
So they started picking, picking like weak kings
.
So the nobles would have morepower.
Oh, but that backfired.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
How come?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Suleiman the Magnificent, a Turkish ruler,
saw his chance and took a hugechunk of Hungary after winning a
battle in 1526.
And they also burned down atown called Budaha buddha and
killed the hungarian king the,the one after matthias?
(22:31):
yes, okay so hunkery wasbasically like a fucking royal
rumble for a for the throne.
Sure, okay.
So after the king got, it was afreaking free-for-all.
You had Ferdinand I, theAustrian Archduke, who is
basically a Habsburg big shotwanting Hungary for his empire.
(22:54):
Then you had Janos Zapolya, whowas a guy running Transylvania
and leading what was left of theHungarian army, and then
Ferdinand was throwing his raidaround saying, hey, I'm related
to the last king my brother'sthe Holy Roman Empire.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Nope Emperor, there it is.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, but the Hungarian nobles were completely
split, so even the batteryfamily couldn't agree.
Elizabeth's mom.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
What was her name?
Did you have that?
I don't recall if you did.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
That's okay, I was just curious.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I think it's Anna, anna and George, I think, were
her parents.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
That's so.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Generic.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
So was Elizabeth.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I like the name Elizabeth.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I do too.
It's my middle name I knowAnyways.
So Elizabeth's mom sided withJanos Janos.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Janos.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Like her side of the family sided with Janos.
Is that like Thanos' cousin?
Yeah, he was the guy runningTransylvania, okay, and what was
left of the Hungarian army?
Okay, but then her dad's side,the ex-sed.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, that guy Batteries yes.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Went with Ferdinand hoping he'd help them fight off
the Turks.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Okay, sure.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Basically, they had two kings running around each
other, each holding their owngroup of supporters Right.
And then Elizabeth's dad, mrGeorge, switched sides and went
to Janos because his wife'sbrother, his brother-in-law, was
getting pretty powerful, wow,and maybe thought it was a good
(24:42):
idea to help boost the batteriesby being with someone who was
getting pretty powerful.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Sure, I mean, especially back then, it was all
about positioning yourself.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yes, but the Habsburgs who George was with
originally, not happy.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Well, why would they be?
He just jumped ship.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
He did.
So you know what they did theytook his castle.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Oh shit.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
You have no home.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
We kick you out, but at the time.
So he got evicted.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
He got evicted.
But George was like nana,boo-boo, and he married.
Anna was that a direct quoteelizabeth's mom okay, well, yeah
, remember they were cousins,that's right and their cousins
split, and so they married eachother and they're like, look
(25:34):
what I'm going to do.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Hey cuz come here.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
So the batteries were united, but made some pretty
powerful enemies.
So did, did Anna?
Speaker 2 (25:45):
have a say in this.
I don't know.
Okay, just curious.
All right, anyways.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So Janice's reign was .
Reign was like a roller coaster.
There were peasant revolts, ohdear, ferdinand grabbing part of
Hungary and a risky alliancewith the Turks yeah.
Then Janos died, oh dear, andHungary got chopped into three
pieces.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Oh really.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Habsburg Hungary, oh sure, ottoman Hungary, hungary,
okay, and transylvania when didtransylvania turn into romania?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I don't know.
Was that not a part of yourresearch?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
no, why would it have been?
I don't know I just.
When did transylvania become apart of?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
is that the sequel to your uh istanbul song?
Wow, is that the sequel to yourIstanbul song?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Wow, it wasn't until 19, 1920.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Really that, really?
I guess I never knew thatclearly, cause I asked.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, that was, I knew it was modern.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Quote unquote modern times but I didn't realize it
was that yeah, wow Okay.
Yeah, wow Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, so let's talk about the world of Elizabeth
Bathory, how, what she was borninto, specifically Transylvania.
It was kind of like anin-between zone.
Yeah, they had their ownprincess, but then the princess
were basically playing bothsides, trying to keep the
Ottoman Turks and the Hab, thehabsburgs, happy.
(27:16):
Yeah, and it was like a constantbalancing act okay and her life
was was shaped by these two bigforces.
So you had the military stuffwith the turks and then you had
the political games with thehabsburgs, since they wanted
control of hungary, and despiteall the chaos, transylvania was
actually doing really well.
The princes, her cousins,basically had a constitution and
(27:41):
they were supposed to representthese three main groups the
Hungarians, the Saxons and theSkelzers the Skel, the Skel.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I believe in you.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Zellkers.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Zeklers.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Zeklers Wow.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Zeklers, and you started with the other thing
Seltzers, seltzers.
Remember, you're banned fromhaving those.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yes, so, even though they were stuck between the
Muslim Turks and the CatholicHasburgs, Transylvania was
pretty chill when it came toreligion.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
They were pretty tolerant and a lot of the nobles
and many of the princes wereactually Calvinist Protestants.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
And Protestantism was basically thriving there.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
So they had this thing called the Edict of torta
in 1568, which basically saysthat everyone could practice
their own religion oh, so likethe way the world should be
exactly weird so it was actuallythe first time in christian
europe that they legallyguaranteed like religious
freedom wow, that's prettyprogressive for that time yes,
(28:51):
because I mean they used to pushreligion everywhere, yes,
everywhere so of course, thebatteries yes, they were a big
deal, right.
Of course, steven cousins stevenbattery, one of our uncles,
became the first battery princein 1571.
Okay so yeah, transylvania waslike this unique place, kind of
caught between empires but alsoforward thinking in many ways.
(29:14):
Oh really, so under thebatteries, transylvania was
trying to be its own thing.
I really want to watch draculaafter this.
I know me too I know right soit was basically a
semi-independent state okay okay, so dracula and then nosferatu.
Yes, like or nosatu, we have towatch the Demeter ship movie.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
What was that called?
The Last Voyage of the Demeter?
I think is what it's called.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
For those of you who don't know.
So when Dracula was trying tomove from Transylvania to London
, he took a ship called theDemeter and they made a movie
about that little ship in thebook, in the Bram Stoker book,
they actually don't talk about.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Not very much at all.
No, his trip.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
It's a whole movie based on his trip.
I really want to do that now.
So do I.
They were forward thinking,they were a semi-independent
state, they could handle theirown business.
But when it came to like thebig international stuff, they
had to like tune in with, liketheir powerful neighbors and
figure out what the hell wasgoing on.
(30:22):
Sure, it makes sense, but thenyou have sigismund battering,
who was a prince on and off umwhen he thought about it.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I'm a prince today I'm a prince but he was a prince
of.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Transylvania and he was involved in a massive war
against the Turks called theLong Turkish War.
Okay, it was just a part of acenturies-long fight between the
Ottomans and the Habsburgs.
Wow, really, and basicallyeveryone was fighting everyone.
Okay, so the Long Turkish Warwas just like a couple of years
(30:53):
in between, this centuries-longthing, gotcha.
Yeah, wow, really.
Basically everyone was fightingeveryone.
Okay, so the longer turkish warwas just like a couple of years
in between, this century's longthing, gotcha.
Yeah, so transylvania wassupposed to be on the christian
side against the turks, but itwas total mess.
You had the habsburgs, theottomans, valakia which is now
part of romania and transylvaniagoing at it.
Did you know the Wallachia waswhere Vlad the Impaler was born.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yes, yes, I just never knew how to properly say
it.
I always called it.
I know it probably.
The W was obviously V.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, it's spelled with a W, but I think I'm sure
it's Wallachia, wallachia, yeah,yeah.
But for a short time theHabsburgs took over and they
tried to make everyone Germanand Catholic, which didn't go
over well.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
No.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
That led to a rebellion and.
Transylvania got its power back, but the fighting between them
and the Habsburgs like didn'tstop.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Being in charge of Transylvania was like trying to
balance a bunch of like spinningplates, it's really weird that
you went with that analogy.
Okay, like balls in the airjuggling?
Yeah, exactly or now spinningplates with the battery trying
to climb even higher.
The year reigns for elizabeth.
Yeah, to marry count ferinicnadast from austria.
(32:10):
Okay, I think, nadastie.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
From.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Austria.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Okay, I think.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
She was 10.
Oh wow, when they werebetrothed.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Really Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
She went to live with his family at the castle Near
the Austrian border.
Yeah, they're in Hungary, butthey're on the Austrian border.
Sure, I'm gonna say that andthat's gonna be fact.
Okay, it's just gonna be fact,it's hungry.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Check wikipedia.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
It's fact are we talking about this, where I got
all my information?
well clearly yeah, here's wherethings get a little funky.
When she was a teenager, therewas a rumor, yes, which popped
up actually way after she evenshe died, oh really, yes that
she had a secret relationshipwith a lower class guy oh dear,
(33:02):
a peasant and had a baby.
Oh really, supposedly.
When count nadazdi found out,he went nuts and he had the guy
castrated and thrown to the dogsand the baby was either hidden
away or killed like this don'texist I would think back in
those times.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
It was probably killed, but it was just a rumor,
well, of course.
And so what was the purpose ofbringing this up?
Speaker 1 (33:26):
well, after she was even dead oh, I'll get to that,
yeah, yeah, but there's lots andlots of letters pertaining to
elizabeth and from elizabeth,and they actually praised her
for being pure okay so they'rethinking like this was just a
fucking rumor oh well, I mean,rumors do come up, and they're
(33:49):
just rumors sometimes.
So yes, so she married countfarinik nadazdi when she was 15,
so they were recording for fiveyears.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Five years, yeah that's kind of like annie oakley
all over again they got marriedwithin one year.
Yeah, they did that's wild.
How old was uh?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
uh, so well, oh gosh.
Um, I think he was 14 or 15 atthe time of betrothal.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Oh, so he was pretty young too, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
They married in 1575 and it was a political move.
Sure, bringing these two bigwigfamilies together Makes sense.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
She did keep her own name, yeah, which is kind of
wild, bathory Day.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Exed, which kind of tells you how important her
family already was.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Right, well, they were pretty prominent, yeah,
exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
So they did have some kids.
Um, some of them likely did notmake it to childhood or, excuse
me, to adulthood, sure, um, butshe had Anna, catalin and Paul,
and they were all growing upwith a governess, much like she
did as she was growing up.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Right, that's typical for the time.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, but there were like letters in her will and
stuff like that that didn'tmention like some of the other
birthed kids.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Only those ones were mentioned.
Yes, so she probably had more.
Yes, only those made it toadulthood.
Exactly Okay, gotcha.
Exactly Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
So Elizabeth was pretty busy running her
husband's estates on her own ashe went off to be a military
commander, sure.
So he was fighting the OttomanHabsburg Wars which Transylvania
had jumped back into trying tofree from the Ottomans.
So Ferenc went off to war in1578 and basically didn't come
(35:34):
back for several years.
Wow, Years.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
That's crazy.
And how old was she at thistime?
This was right after she gotmarried.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
She was 18.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Okay, so still pretty young, yeah, and they were only
married, for she would havebeen married for three years at
this point, roughly, yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yes, okay, yes, that meant Elizabeth was left to run
the whole gambit.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Well, yeah, I mean she's in charge.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
She managed his businesses and their estates,
and she was actually really goodat it.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
What kind of businesses did it have?
Did that mention it at all?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
It was more like land and taxes.
Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Sure more like land um and um, yeah, okay, yeah,
sure, I mean that's common forthe time, of course.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
so so she had some serious responsibilities.
She had to defend their lands.
They were right on the way tolike vienna, which was a major
habsburg city.
Okay, she provided medical carefor people in the area and
helped a woman who had losttheir husbands in the war and
were like, basically left withnothing.
Sure, um, but now figuring outhow people really felt about
(36:39):
their landlords back then couldbe tricky, yeah, but usually you
look at letters of complaint orpetitions and that's how people
kind of aired their grievances,right, whether it was something
small like theft or somethingbig like someone getting hurt or
killed.
Yeah, yeah, there are zeroletters complaining about
elizabeth's rule that's wild.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I mean, that shows that she was a she was a good
leader pretty decent person,while her husband was gone yeah,
no kidding wow and there wasn'teven any grievances, like about
taxes.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Everybody was pretty happy.
So, while her husband, herhusband fenerick um, was making
a name for himself as aneffective military leader yeah,
he helped capture a bunch ofottoman castles, um, and
basically he was out there beinga war hero yeah and she was
holding the ford down at home,right, sure, so he actually had
(37:35):
a reputation for being seriouslybrutal with his ottoman
prisoners oh really, yes, so hejust whenever, whoever he
captured, yes, that they didn'tfare too well it's.
It got pretty grotesqueapparently.
Oh dear um.
They would mess with the bodiesof guys who were tortured to
(37:55):
death, and then they wouldapparently play catch with their
heads.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Oh, so that's kind of like in what was that?
I was playing ping pong andding dang.
No, I'm sorry, Dodgeball.
Ping pong and ding dang is beerfest Dodgeball where they
started throwing their heads inopium, opium dens or whatever.
Do you remember?
Speaker 1 (38:18):
that?
No, I don't remember that.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Anyways.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Hey, we're having a two parter and this is the end.
I'm so sorry, but Sing us outCher.
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You asked for it.
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I don't know if kate is fullyinto this yet I feel a little
(01:19):
loopy well, that's called life,that's called my every day I
know why don't we talk about thebeer we're going to try today?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Oh yeah, go ahead, I'm dancing in my chair.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So we got a beer that we're both going to try.
A lot of times we get eachindividual beer.
We got a beer called Lageradofrom Odell Brewing Company,
based out of Colorado, which ismy well.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Oh, it's from Fort Collins.
Yeah, that's where my brother'sfamily lives.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I know.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Thereabouts.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Thereabouts.
They recently moved, but oh didthey.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
They're still in the area, but it's like a smaller
town, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
So this is a uh, as the name implies lagerado.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
It's a crispy lager I don't know where that came from
I wish it would have nevershowed up.
Loggerado.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Loggerado, high Rocky Mountain, high Loggerado.
No, I was singing the Ford song.
I'm well aware of what you'retrying to sing.
I was doing the John Denversong.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Oh, I don't know that Rocky Mountain High.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Loggerado.
I'm sure you would if youactually heard it.
Lagerado is a thing no, it'sthe name of this beer, but but
it's in a song.
No, I was changing it fromcolorado to lagerado oh you, you
pulled it off really well.
Thanks, you're welcome, it's mymany years of john of John
Denver impersonating that helpedme with that.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I'm a share impersonator, wow.
Okay so the beer can says.
We've heard the lore ofLaGarado, that place where we
take it easy and keep it crispy.
When you're here, every storyhas a chance to be a tall tale.
So does that mean it's fake?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
yeah, it's a fake beer.
What am I even holding?
What is this air?
It's a really pretty.
Can I like the coloring?
I like the mountainscape, thetrees, and greens and yellows
it's really pretty, so I like it.
It's a mountainscape, cheerscheers yep, that's a Lagerado.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Oh, that's crispy, just like the can said.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Didn't disappoint.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
It's citrusy.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I mean a little bit.
I guess I like it.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
It's not bad, do you like it, I do, I don't know I do
.
Okay, do you like it?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I do, I don't know I do okay, I'm having also an old,
older beer from when we were inkentucky yeah, we still have
some, uh, the cougar bait fromcountry boy brewing.
It's a blonde ale, so it's alittle bit heavier yep and so
when I was switching between thetwo, it was different in my
mouth I get it and I have myalso from Country Boy Halfway
Home American Pale Ale, becausewe tried that on the last
episode but we still had someleft over.
(04:31):
So we got backups, backups,back it up.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You want to know something.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I do.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I don't have a question for you.
Well, that seemsuncharacteristic of you, I know
but it's probably going to be alonger episode.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I gather that How's that go, or a two-parter.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
This could potentially be a two-parter.
Yeah, we'll kind of determinethat We'll figure that out.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I mean it's up in the air.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
There's some backstory, yeah, which every
story has.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, we'll figure that out.
I don't know.
I mean it's up in the air.
There's some backstory, yeah,which every story has.
Yeah, there's some burps.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
This one seems to have a lot of backstory.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Is it necessary?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I don't know, but we're going to find out.
Well, let's dive in deep tothis.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
You actually know this topic.
I know what do you mean.
You know, did you cheat?
I did not cheat.
Did you look at my notes?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I knew I can fuzz it to her.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
What did you do?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I created a document on her drive and I happened to
see the first thing that was onthere.
You butt, I let it be, I didn'tdive in past that, but well,
because this topic is somethingI gave you one of our first,
probably recommendations yeah,one of the first ones.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I said, hey, let's do a story, and let's put it off,
and put it off, and put it off,because there's a lot of
backstory there really is andthe cool thing is, I know of
this.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Okay, don't be mad, because I accidentally saw it.
That wasn't my intention.
I happened to create a documenton our drive to show you
something which I showed youearlier, and I just happen to
see that damn it um, but uh, Iknow some.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I don't know a lot sure wow, this blows what he
doesn't know is we're gonna talk, talk about Dante's Inferno
(06:50):
Boom, boom, boom.
He's speechless.
Why are you so quiet?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Waiting for you to go .
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Because you want to know about Dante's Inferno.
Yes, that's fine, I'm not goingto talk about it.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Okay, jesus Christ, anywho.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Okay, so he knows now that we're going to talk about
the Blood Countess.
Yes, elizabeth Bathory, is thathow you're supposed to say it,
as far as you learned?
So I heard elizabeth batterywhich is the american probably.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I'm pretty sure I've heard of elizabeth right yep
battery sure like a battery inyour phone right I like how you
went to battery in your phone asopposed to any other thing that
can use batteries.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I thought car said phone, car battery remote
control, I mean either waytelevision remote.
I was called the channelchanger growing up.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I used to have to go over to our giant box of TV.
Yeah, hey, brad, go to channelsix.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, you were the channel changer.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, pretty much, because back in the day, remote
controls were a newfangled thingand you went old school and
said, hey, kid channel now.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Okay, I've also heard Airzabet.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I've heard that before.
Actually Airzabet Battery.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Okay, I've also heard um air is a bet.
I've heard that before.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Actually there's a bet that battery.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Okay, so it's spelled B A T H O R Y, right, but in
Hungary it kind of separates B AT from.
H O R.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Y so battery.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Sure Okay, so blood countess.
Yes, why so blood countess?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Why.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Because she used to bathe in the blood of virgin
females to try and make herselfyoung and or reverse aging
basically yes, yes, that is thetheory Correct.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yes, so she was born August 7th 1560 in Hungary.
All right, and she was borninto like a super powerful
family.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, they were pretty high status right.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
They were, and for good measure, despite the ironic
nature of this.
As you will figure out, herlast name, Bathory, means good
hero, oh jeez.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I guess that depends on what side you look at.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Oh dear so her parents were actually cousins oh
yes, first they were both likepart of the battery family, just
in different like lineages.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Okay, so they are cousins gotcha, I did not know
that but that was kind of athing back then well, yeah,
especially in families of power.
I guess we'll call them yeah,exactly yeah um.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
She grew up in a castle whose name I can't
pronounce.
Um, I'm not surprised exit whatis?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
how do you spell it?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
e-c-s-e-d e-c-s-e-d exit exit-C-S-E-D Exed Exed I
like either one.
Exed Castle, okay, and she wasactually really really smart,
was she?
Yes, okay, her parents madesure she got like a top-notch
education.
She was fluent in Hungary,obviously, latin, greek and
(10:20):
German.
Oh, wow, yeah, so she alsodealt with seizures and
headaches, oh dear.
So eventually they presumed itwas epilepsy, but back then they
didn't really understand that,of course, and they honestly
thought that it was somethingspooky.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Something sinister.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah, something sinister as a foot.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
From the great beyond .
Exactly, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So they thought it was kind of supernatural.
So they actually kind of keptit hush hush in the family.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Well, yeah, because they don't want to ever be
burned as a witch or something.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, which they maybe should have.
That's also a thing, butElizabeth was living in a time
when things were changing.
It was called the Renaissance.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Renaissance, renaissance yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
On one hand, she's getting getting this proper
education for a woman.
Plus she's navigating areligious shift with the
Protestants and the CatholicChurch Right.
So her life is a bit of amixture of new world and old
world.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Was it pretty Catholic in Hungary?
Yes, was it?
Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And she also grew up in a time where violence was
fairly normal?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
well, I mean, because what, what, what year did you
say she was born again?
I'm sorry 1560 so she was what60, 80 years before, like after
uh dracula roughly lord, havemercy.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Let's look at vlad the impealer.
Don't you know?
Don't you know.
Let's look at vlad the impealer.
He used 1431.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
He was born okay, I was a little bit off, I'm sorry
yeah, 1431 130 years and I meanlook what he did, and that's
when he was born, so he wasobviously up until the.
I guess I was probably goingmore towards the later part of
his life, but yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
He Vladimir Peeler.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Don't you know.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
He was assassinated in December 1476.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
1476.
Okay, fair enough 31 to 76.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Okay, okay, okay.
Don't you know, don't you knowVladimir Peeler.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
So violence, right, she had seen lots of shit.
She saw servants gettingwhipped, people from lower
classes getting all sorts ofpunishments.
Right Back then they justdidn't see violence as the way
we do now.
Obviously it was kind ofdesensitized.
Well, it was pretty normal.
Yeah, whipping was standard andthey chop off your hand for
(12:51):
stealing and if you're a womansuspected of witchcraft or
acting unwomanly quote unquotethey would burn you at the stake
like steak and shake or that'sactually not great.
I mean, the steaks, the shakesare good, but you've been there,
I've never been yeah, it's anillinois thing.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Well, I mean okay anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
So they were burned at the stake or drowned for
being unwomanly.
Oh dear um.
So treason also, um twistedtorture methods designed to
cause, like maximum maximum,maximum, maximum, maximum pain
before killing you um, so, yeah,so they, they did a lot of
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twisted shit, for sure.
So oh, to make it like a littlecherry on top, it was her
family that was doing this.
Well, right, because they werethe family of power.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
She was powerful, right, so she was a countess.
Did her parents have thesimilar title?
What were they?
Speaker 1 (13:48):
They were baron and baroness.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
So she actually had like a full family.
So her uncles were one of thehighest ranking officials in
Transylvania and she's chiefjustice of Hungary.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Another married the queen of Poland and became king
of Poland.
His name is Stefan Bathory.
Okay and a couple of hercousins were end up princes of
Transylvania.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Oh really.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
So like it's all in the family.
So they weren't like youraverage rich nobles they own.
They did own land, like allover the place modern day
hungary, slovakia, romania andthey weren't just comfortable,
they were very rich I didn'tknow that that denoted being
(14:44):
very rich, wow.
So they ended up lending moneyto the Austrian Habsburgs.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
And who are they?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
So they are a very, very, very powerful,
long-standing family.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Okay, how long were they in power for?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Over 600 years.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Holy shit really.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, save like five.
Wow, yeah, like there was thislittle stint in the middle, I
don't know what happened?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, a little hiccup , but they came back Fair enough
.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, so they were like the royal family in Europe,
wow.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I'm sorry, what was their name?
Again, real quick.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Habsburgs H-A-B-S Habsburgs.
I feel like I've heard of that,but I'm not bringing it up, I
mean 600 years.
Well, right.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
And that's why I'm like I know, I've never heard of
them.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I don't know, I don names, just reminded me of
something else or if I'veactually heard them, but you
would think they've been inpower for 600 years, with a
little hiccup in the middle.
It was like 636 years.
Shit, yeah, that's crazy.
Yeah, so they were in austriawith vienna as their capital,
and then for a little bit duringlike elizabeth's time, they um
(15:58):
that, they partook in prague fora little bit, okay, but they
basically produced kings forHungary, spain, portugal, like
you name it.
They controlled all the littlecolonies too, okay, so they were
also super clever, okay.
They got power through fightingwars and marrying into other
(16:20):
royal families Right, and allthe marrying into families was
not great for the gene pool.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Well, no, because when you start to, there's a
really good Nirvana album calledIncesticide.
Anyways, yeah, no.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
The Habsburgs actually came up with a serious
health problem called thehapsburg jaw is that?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
that's like really really long chin, like all legit
, okay.
Is jay lenoa secretly ahapsburg?
No, okay.
So now that you bring that up,yes, I do know of them.
I know of one in particular, ifI'm not mistaken.
I could be wrong or whatever,but yes, okay, that makes sense
yeah, so during elizabeth's life, the habsburgs were at their
(17:09):
peak right.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, so they were sorry.
They were basically running theholy roman empire.
And then, um, even though theholy roman emperor was
technically elected, they wereall elected by the elite.
Yeah, so they were alwayselected.
Imagine that, ha ha well theyalready own so much of the
(17:31):
empire.
Why not just be the emperor youknow?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
well when they're that powerful and that many
people probably follow them andwhatever it's pretty easy to get
elected for that, so that makessense but they're like
batteries.
Batteries were like hobnobbing,elbow rubbing yeah, like with
all these people going to thesame parties yeah I mean some
balls and shit balls, I meansquare dances, I mean something
(17:55):
I don't know, the square danceback then I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I like the round balls over square dancing.
So the Holy Roman Empire.
That was one of the weirdestexchanges we've ever had on here
Square dancing, but the ball isaround.
No, I got it, I got it.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
If people could have seen your gestures, I guess that
would have been weird.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Maybe we shouldn't take this video.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Well, luckily we haven't started video yet.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
You are so welcome people.
So the Holy Roman Empirecovered a ton of land Germany,
austria, parts of France andItaly and a bunch more and they
thought they were the real dealand they were super serious
about punishing their Catholicbeliefs on everybody.
But then there was this wholeMartin Luther putting up like
(18:55):
Protestants, all that.
Yeah, he put up a 95 thesiswhich was written in 1517.
I think it was up against aCatholic church, Was it?
It was in Germany.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
He's from Germany, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, so basically it argued salvation through faith
alone, right?
So all this Protestantism andCatholicism were clashing?
Yes, thank you.
Now, if you wereCatholicism-tisms and
Catholic-tisms were.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Clashing yes, thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Now, if you were a country like Hungary, smack dab
in the middle of all of this,you were basically at the mercy
of the Roman Empire and thepowerful Habsburgs.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And they could do pretty much whatever they wanted
.
And to make things worse, after1453, from the west, they were
also another big threat loomingin the east.
Who was that?
Well, that is, the OttomanTurks.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Damn right, it is.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
The Ottoman Empire.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Hungary was getting squeezed from all sides.
Yeah, they were in a very badposition they were for them and
the Habsburgs were alwaysmeddling, and then the Ottoman
Turks were constantly trying tolike invade Hungary and it
pretty much affected Elizabeth'slife and I will kind of dwell
on that a little bit fartherdown okay.
(20:19):
Um, but then back in 1490,hungary lost their king,
matthias Corvinus.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Corvinus.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Mm-hmm, and at the time, the Ottoman Turks took
Constantinople, which isIstanbul.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
But if you're in Constantinople, you're actually
in Istanbul.
But if you're in Istanbul, itwas Constantinople.
Here's a song Istanbul wasConstantinople, now it's
Istanbul.
Istanbul is Constantinople, nowit's Istanbul, not
Constantinople.
So if you've a date inConstantinople, she'll be
waiting you, istanbul.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Who's it by?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Fuck, if I know You've never heard that.
No, oh well, because I made itup, ain't I brilliant.
So the Ottoman Turks, turks?
No, oh well, because I made itup, ain't I brilliant.
So the Ottoman Turks, turks,turks took Constantinople, which
is now Istanbul.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Did you know there's a song about that?
Anyways, oh, my face hurts fromlaughing.
This is serious business.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
This is a serious story, all right.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Turks Istanbul, constantinople.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
So King Matthias had built this really strong army to
protect Hungary.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Okay, but he fucking died.
Did they say what he died of,or do you not have?
No, I don't have that, butthings went downhill pretty fast
after that because it seemedlike, was that like all of a
sudden kind of I think thing forhim?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
yes, was it?
Yes, but I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I don't I don't think I read, no, that's all right,
um.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
So they started picking, picking like weak kings
.
So the nobles would have morepower.
Oh, but that backfired.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
How come?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Suleiman the Magnificent, a Turkish ruler,
saw his chance and took a hugechunk of Hungary after winning a
battle in 1526.
And they also burned down atown called Budaha buddha and
killed the hungarian king the,the one after matthias?
(22:31):
yes, okay so hunkery wasbasically like a fucking royal
rumble for a for the throne.
Sure, okay.
So after the king got, it was afreaking free-for-all.
You had Ferdinand I, theAustrian Archduke, who is
basically a Habsburg big shotwanting Hungary for his empire.
(22:54):
Then you had Janos Zapolya, whowas a guy running Transylvania
and leading what was left of theHungarian army, and then
Ferdinand was throwing his raidaround saying, hey, I'm related
to the last king my brother'sthe Holy Roman Empire.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Nope Emperor, there it is.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, but the Hungarian nobles were completely
split, so even the batteryfamily couldn't agree.
Elizabeth's mom.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
What was her name?
Did you have that?
I don't recall if you did.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
That's okay, I was just curious.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I think it's Anna, anna and George, I think, were
her parents.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
That's so.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Generic.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
So was Elizabeth.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I like the name Elizabeth.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I do too.
It's my middle name I knowAnyways.
So Elizabeth's mom sided withJanos Janos.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Janos.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Like her side of the family sided with Janos.
Is that like Thanos' cousin?
Yeah, he was the guy runningTransylvania, okay, and what was
left of the Hungarian army?
Okay, but then her dad's side,the ex-sed.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, that guy Batteries yes.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Went with Ferdinand hoping he'd help them fight off
the Turks.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Okay, sure.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Basically, they had two kings running around each
other, each holding their owngroup of supporters Right.
And then Elizabeth's dad, mrGeorge, switched sides and went
to Janos because his wife'sbrother, his brother-in-law, was
getting pretty powerful, wow,and maybe thought it was a good
(24:42):
idea to help boost the batteriesby being with someone who was
getting pretty powerful.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Sure, I mean, especially back then, it was all
about positioning yourself.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yes, but the Habsburgs who George was with
originally, not happy.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Well, why would they be?
He just jumped ship.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
He did.
So you know what they did theytook his castle.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Oh shit.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
You have no home.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
We kick you out, but at the time.
So he got evicted.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
He got evicted.
But George was like nana,boo-boo, and he married.
Anna was that a direct quoteelizabeth's mom okay, well, yeah
, remember they were cousins,that's right and their cousins
split, and so they married eachother and they're like, look
(25:34):
what I'm going to do.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Hey cuz come here.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
So the batteries were united, but made some pretty
powerful enemies.
So did, did Anna?
Speaker 2 (25:45):
have a say in this.
I don't know.
Okay, just curious.
All right, anyways.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So Janice's reign was .
Reign was like a roller coaster.
There were peasant revolts, ohdear, ferdinand grabbing part of
Hungary and a risky alliancewith the Turks yeah.
Then Janos died, oh dear, andHungary got chopped into three
pieces.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Oh really.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Habsburg Hungary, oh sure, ottoman Hungary, hungary,
okay, and transylvania when didtransylvania turn into romania?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I don't know.
Was that not a part of yourresearch?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
no, why would it have been?
I don't know I just.
When did transylvania become apart of?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
is that the sequel to your uh istanbul song?
Wow, is that the sequel to yourIstanbul song?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Wow, it wasn't until 19, 1920.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Really that, really?
I guess I never knew thatclearly, cause I asked.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, that was, I knew it was modern.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Quote unquote modern times but I didn't realize it
was that yeah, wow Okay.
Yeah, wow Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, so let's talk about the world of Elizabeth
Bathory, how, what she was borninto, specifically Transylvania.
It was kind of like anin-between zone.
Yeah, they had their ownprincess, but then the princess
were basically playing bothsides, trying to keep the
Ottoman Turks and the Hab, thehabsburgs, happy.
(27:16):
Yeah, and it was like a constantbalancing act okay and her life
was was shaped by these two bigforces.
So you had the military stuffwith the turks and then you had
the political games with thehabsburgs, since they wanted
control of hungary, and despiteall the chaos, transylvania was
actually doing really well.
The princes, her cousins,basically had a constitution and
(27:41):
they were supposed to representthese three main groups the
Hungarians, the Saxons and theSkelzers the Skel, the Skel.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I believe in you.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Zellkers.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Zeklers.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Zeklers Wow.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Zeklers, and you started with the other thing
Seltzers, seltzers.
Remember, you're banned fromhaving those.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yes, so, even though they were stuck between the
Muslim Turks and the CatholicHasburgs, Transylvania was
pretty chill when it came toreligion.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
They were pretty tolerant and a lot of the nobles
and many of the princes wereactually Calvinist Protestants.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
And Protestantism was basically thriving there.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
So they had this thing called the Edict of torta
in 1568, which basically saysthat everyone could practice
their own religion oh, so likethe way the world should be
exactly weird so it was actuallythe first time in christian
europe that they legallyguaranteed like religious
freedom wow, that's prettyprogressive for that time yes,
(28:51):
because I mean they used to pushreligion everywhere, yes,
everywhere so of course, thebatteries yes, they were a big
deal, right.
Of course, steven cousins stevenbattery, one of our uncles,
became the first battery princein 1571.
Okay so yeah, transylvania waslike this unique place, kind of
caught between empires but alsoforward thinking in many ways.
(29:14):
Oh really, so under thebatteries, transylvania was
trying to be its own thing.
I really want to watch draculaafter this.
I know me too I know right soit was basically a
semi-independent state okay okay, so dracula and then nosferatu.
Yes, like or nosatu, we have towatch the Demeter ship movie.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
What was that called?
The Last Voyage of the Demeter?
I think is what it's called.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
For those of you who don't know.
So when Dracula was trying tomove from Transylvania to London
, he took a ship called theDemeter and they made a movie
about that little ship in thebook, in the Bram Stoker book,
they actually don't talk about.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Not very much at all.
No, his trip.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
It's a whole movie based on his trip.
I really want to do that now.
So do I.
They were forward thinking,they were a semi-independent
state, they could handle theirown business.
But when it came to like thebig international stuff, they
had to like tune in with, liketheir powerful neighbors and
figure out what the hell wasgoing on.
(30:22):
Sure, it makes sense, but thenyou have sigismund battering,
who was a prince on and off umwhen he thought about it.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I'm a prince today I'm a prince but he was a prince
of.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Transylvania and he was involved in a massive war
against the Turks called theLong Turkish War.
Okay, it was just a part of acenturies-long fight between the
Ottomans and the Habsburgs.
Wow, really, and basicallyeveryone was fighting everyone.
Okay, so the Long Turkish Warwas just like a couple of years
(30:53):
in between, this centuries-longthing, gotcha.
Yeah, wow, really.
Basically everyone was fightingeveryone.
Okay, so the longer turkish warwas just like a couple of years
in between, this century's longthing, gotcha.
Yeah, so transylvania wassupposed to be on the christian
side against the turks, but itwas total mess.
You had the habsburgs, theottomans, valakia which is now
part of romania and transylvaniagoing at it.
Did you know the Wallachia waswhere Vlad the Impaler was born.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yes, yes, I just never knew how to properly say
it.
I always called it.
I know it probably.
The W was obviously V.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, it's spelled with a W, but I think I'm sure
it's Wallachia, wallachia, yeah,yeah.
But for a short time theHabsburgs took over and they
tried to make everyone Germanand Catholic, which didn't go
over well.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
No.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
That led to a rebellion and.
Transylvania got its power back, but the fighting between them
and the Habsburgs like didn'tstop.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Being in charge of Transylvania was like trying to
balance a bunch of like spinningplates, it's really weird that
you went with that analogy.
Okay, like balls in the airjuggling?
Yeah, exactly or now spinningplates with the battery trying
to climb even higher.
The year reigns for elizabeth.
Yeah, to marry count ferinicnadast from austria.
(32:10):
Okay, I think, nadastie.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
From.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Austria.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Okay, I think.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
She was 10.
Oh wow, when they werebetrothed.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Really Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
She went to live with his family at the castle Near
the Austrian border.
Yeah, they're in Hungary, butthey're on the Austrian border.
Sure, I'm gonna say that andthat's gonna be fact.
Okay, it's just gonna be fact,it's hungry.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Check wikipedia.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
It's fact are we talking about this, where I got
all my information?
well clearly yeah, here's wherethings get a little funky.
When she was a teenager, therewas a rumor, yes, which popped
up actually way after she evenshe died, oh really, yes that
she had a secret relationshipwith a lower class guy oh dear,
(33:02):
a peasant and had a baby.
Oh really, supposedly.
When count nadazdi found out,he went nuts and he had the guy
castrated and thrown to the dogsand the baby was either hidden
away or killed like this don'texist I would think back in
those times.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
It was probably killed, but it was just a rumor,
well, of course.
And so what was the purpose ofbringing this up?
Speaker 1 (33:26):
well, after she was even dead oh, I'll get to that,
yeah, yeah, but there's lots andlots of letters pertaining to
elizabeth and from elizabeth,and they actually praised her
for being pure okay so they'rethinking like this was just a
fucking rumor oh well, I mean,rumors do come up, and they're
(33:49):
just rumors sometimes.
So yes, so she married countfarinik nadazdi when she was 15,
so they were recording for fiveyears.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Five years, yeah that's kind of like annie oakley
all over again they got marriedwithin one year.
Yeah, they did that's wild.
How old was uh?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
uh, so well, oh gosh.
Um, I think he was 14 or 15 atthe time of betrothal.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Oh, so he was pretty young too, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
They married in 1575 and it was a political move.
Sure, bringing these two bigwigfamilies together Makes sense.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
She did keep her own name, yeah, which is kind of
wild, bathory Day.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Exed, which kind of tells you how important her
family already was.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Right, well, they were pretty prominent, yeah,
exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
So they did have some kids.
Um, some of them likely did notmake it to childhood or, excuse
me, to adulthood, sure, um, butshe had Anna, catalin and Paul,
and they were all growing upwith a governess, much like she
did as she was growing up.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Right, that's typical for the time.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, but there were like letters in her will and
stuff like that that didn'tmention like some of the other
birthed kids.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Only those ones were mentioned.
Yes, so she probably had more.
Yes, only those made it toadulthood.
Exactly Okay, gotcha.
Exactly Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
So Elizabeth was pretty busy running her
husband's estates on her own ashe went off to be a military
commander, sure.
So he was fighting the OttomanHabsburg Wars which Transylvania
had jumped back into trying tofree from the Ottomans.
So Ferenc went off to war in1578 and basically didn't come
(35:34):
back for several years.
Wow, Years.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
That's crazy.
And how old was she at thistime?
This was right after she gotmarried.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
She was 18.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Okay, so still pretty young, yeah, and they were only
married, for she would havebeen married for three years at
this point, roughly, yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yes, okay, yes, that meant Elizabeth was left to run
the whole gambit.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Well, yeah, I mean she's in charge.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
She managed his businesses and their estates,
and she was actually really goodat it.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
What kind of businesses did it have?
Did that mention it at all?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
It was more like land and taxes.
Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Sure more like land um and um, yeah, okay, yeah,
sure, I mean that's common forthe time, of course.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
so so she had some serious responsibilities.
She had to defend their lands.
They were right on the way tolike vienna, which was a major
habsburg city.
Okay, she provided medical carefor people in the area and
helped a woman who had losttheir husbands in the war and
were like, basically left withnothing.
Sure, um, but now figuring outhow people really felt about
(36:39):
their landlords back then couldbe tricky, yeah, but usually you
look at letters of complaint orpetitions and that's how people
kind of aired their grievances,right, whether it was something
small like theft or somethingbig like someone getting hurt or
killed.
Yeah, yeah, there are zeroletters complaining about
elizabeth's rule that's wild.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I mean, that shows that she was a she was a good
leader pretty decent person,while her husband was gone yeah,
no kidding wow and there wasn'teven any grievances, like about
taxes.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Everybody was pretty happy.
So, while her husband, herhusband fenerick um, was making
a name for himself as aneffective military leader yeah,
he helped capture a bunch ofottoman castles, um, and
basically he was out there beinga war hero yeah and she was
holding the ford down at home,right, sure, so he actually had
(37:35):
a reputation for being seriouslybrutal with his ottoman
prisoners oh really, yes, so hejust whenever, whoever he
captured, yes, that they didn'tfare too well it's.
It got pretty grotesqueapparently.
Oh dear um.
They would mess with the bodiesof guys who were tortured to
(37:55):
death, and then they wouldapparently play catch with their
heads.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Oh, so that's kind of like in what was that?
I was playing ping pong andding dang.
No, I'm sorry, Dodgeball.
Ping pong and ding dang is beerfest Dodgeball where they
started throwing their heads inopium, opium dens or whatever.
Do you remember?
Speaker 1 (38:18):
that?
No, I don't remember that.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Anyways.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Hey, we're having a two parter and this is the end.
I'm so sorry, but Sing us outCher.
If you believe in love afterlove.
You asked for it.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
All right, buffoons.
That's it for today's episode.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
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