March 19, 2025 • 56 mins
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Host Mohammed Magdi witnesses a horrific incident in his neighborhood. He shares the details of his experience as we try to process it.
Warning: This episode has many references to self-harm and some graphic details.
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(00:01):
So I reiterate here, the bill isdead.
The story of this great city is about the years before this
night. Hey everyone this is Ho Ho Hong
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Kong with me Vivek Mabubani and my Co host who is.
I am Mohammed Magdi. Freshly shaved and not beer
shaved. Yeah.
Side shaved side there. Same guy.
Yeah, of course. Image hairs alone.
They actually added this time tothe same routine.
Yeah. Waxing the ears and whatever.
They added the nose, nose wax, which I never, Yes, I never did
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before, but man, it's painful. Does it go?
How deep does it go? It's pretty deep, I would say.
But like, right now you can see it on my camera.
It's like there is no, I've never done it before.
It's just like 35 years of hair.And he just, like, pulled
everything out. And of course he likes to show
you. Yeah, Yeah, I feel.
Like that, doesn't. And it is like, you can, like,
stick your hand in there all theway.
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There's no hair. Yeah, it's very weird.
What's? The what's the immediate like?
Like usually you would have thatimmediate reaction of like, oh,
the air is smoother or yeah. It took a while because I think
there might have been like some leftover wax or.
Something so it. Felt like a little blocked on
one side, yeah. And then eventually just went
away. Yeah.
And now it feels like, yeah, so much smoother.
Yeah. I feel like athletes should be
(01:27):
doing that. Maybe they're maybe they are
doing. Yeah.
You're like, how was that edge? They're doing like it's.
Waxing the nose, man. Yes, you need an Indian uncle to
wax your house. Yeah, oddly enough, like the
Indian athletes, though, doesn'tseem to help much.
Yeah, like, I don't know what's going on here.
Yeah, we're the cricket guys, maybe.
Yeah, we have the technology, we're just not using it.
When I walked into Image Hair Salon, the the whole shop was
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covered in colors because it washoly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And including like, they're the
guys who are working there. They're just all covered in.
Colors and. So one one thing I'm proud of
because towards the end he was like, do you want to wash your
hair? I'm like, it doesn't need a
wash. And he goes, yeah, I'm like, I
think you need a wash. Yeah.
And he was like, nice. Yeah, I mean, it'd be funny like
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that time they throw in like free hair coloring and stuff
like that. Yeah, that'd be good.
You know, I like just at the end, like spray a little color
on your hair, like here's a little blue for you.
There's a like a little flare. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it was.
Also funny because like the guys, I'm the boss is like a
kind of a manly man. Yeah, but then I couldn't take
him seriously when he's like doing my beard.
In like pink colour. Yeah, yeah.
Like, buddy, like, I don't know about you, but maybe you want to
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hold on to like a steak or a beer in your other hand.
That'll help me a lot. This is, I mean, the the thing
though, is that does it doesn't take a real man to be able to
have all that flair and still beable to be like, oh, man.
Yeah, true. Right.
Yeah, yeah. You're so secure in yourself
that you're like, I don't need this stuff.
I could be the man if I need to.Also, I am now VIP after being
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there, like going there for likemany years, I'm now VIP.
You know what? The VIP treatment.
Is you don't have to line up. No, actually, I wish that that's
no, they don't have that rule. But VIP, let me let me guess,
OK. VIP is you get a glass of water
when you arrive close. OK, You get Chai.
Yes. Yeah, yeah.
We'll give you our Chai. Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It'll be one of those things, like the low cost things, yes,
they didn't actually do anythingextra.
For no, he literally actually dumped from his cup.
Yeah, he like right, right. I mean, I guess he's just like,
oh, I need an excuse to get get rid of this child.
Yeah, yeah. And like, hey, you're the VIP.
Yes. You get some of my child.
You're like, no, what I don't want like I never you.
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Don't have choice, he sits you on the on the Barber seat and
then gives you the try while he's enjoying as well and.
So do you drink it while you're having a haircut?
No, like you finish it first andthen you start.
Less you're like a slow drinker.You just sit there and watch you
so. So tell me where you from.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, wow, yeah, I remember like
that's the one thing I never liked is is like with every kind
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of these encounters where you have to spend extra time like,
for example, when you see a doctor.
Yeah, go in, bam, out. Yeah, I see.
With the dentist, at least, you can't really talk.
So there's no like need to like,hey.
Yeah. But with the with the Barber,
the last time I went to Image Hair salon, I remember the guy
was he didn't talk too much because I like I try to make.
It they might have expected you to speak Hindi.
That as well, because. They're all like, didn't
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understand anything they were saying.
At all, I couldn't understand what they were saying, but I
couldn't really respond. But like this is the one thing
when I go to these things, I'm not trying to be rude, but it's
like I just want to sit there and get this done because.
You're too Congress. Yeah.
And I'm deep in my thoughts. I'm like, I just want to take
this moment now that I can't go anywhere to just think of my own
shit. Sure, sure.
Right. And of course, every now and
then, you know, the the awkward thing between cutting and
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changing the razor. Yes, he said.
Oh duh, from along I'm like, ah man, just just pick up the razor
dude. Like you know, I get you were
changing equipment and thereforeyou're like, oh shit, my hands
are not doing anything. Yes, let me keep him occupied so
he doesn't feel I'm wasting the time.
Oh. Man, and then you're looking at
yourself in the mirror. It's also weird when you like,
(05:03):
don't know where to look. Yeah, you're looking at and
you're looking at his reflectionin the mirror and talking to him
and he's looking at his as your reflection.
You're like, you know, we're literally right next to each
other, but you can't turn your head because if you turn your
head, he fucks your haircut. Yes, right.
So you're like. The very first times I went
there years ago, I made this so like there's stupid mistake of
going like, oh, you're left-handed like me.
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He's like, no, you're looking atthe mirror.
I'm. Like, shit.
Yeah, it was. So funny.
He's like, I was super dying. Like I looked at like literally
the scissors on his right hand right here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm looking there.
I'm like left-handed. He's like.
No, man, the I think at that moment he probably had a quick
thought. I think this guy needs the bowl
haircut. Yeah, the bowl haircut, man, I
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think that that's with him, his style, his personality, man.
Yeah, yeah, right, right over there.
Be like put around the ball, butOK, you keep the ball, don't hit
your head. Yeah.
When you leave, yeah. That's OK.
So you got the haircut, you did the whole thing.
Did they do the head massage? No, not this time, really.
I think I spent so much, so longthere because between the hair,
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beard trim fading and then face wax, ear wax, nose wax and then
hair wash and drag up is literally took almost 2 hours. 2
hours yeah he was really well mybeard was like out of control,
so he took a long time for maybeyou guys can see his very
nicely. Oh, and then he also did
threading that also. Takes.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's the story.And also like they, I just let
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them do whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He just asks and the answer is always yes.
You want to thread? Sure.
You want. I'm like, just just do
everything. Yeah, yeah.
You decide. How much did it cost anyway?
Like 40 bucks? 50 bucks more.
Yes, exactly. The whole thing now with the
whole thing that I did was 300 bucks, which is still like crazy
crazy. Two really good yeah two hours,
the whole thing clean up. You just walk out like a new
(06:49):
man. Yeah.
So image hairs alone. Another another plug for you
guys. Yeah, yeah, definitely go check
them out so. Yeah.
It was interesting my experienceover there.
I would say I would give them anan 8 out of 10, mostly because
like I mean, I haven't been to ahair salon in so long, so I
didn't know what the protocol was yes.
I didn't know the specifics. I mean, the fact that I, I did
my homework and had a few photoson my phone hoping like, I guess
(07:11):
I can show him this yes and the guy didn't even need to look at
it really. I didn't look at it.
I was like, OK, never mind. I was like, you know what?
I. Exactly.
I know what to do, yeah. Yeah, it was like the end of the
year. I was like, you know, it doesn't
matter if if it fucks up, my haircut does whatever.
Yeah. And they did a good job.
I won't say they did a bad job, but like the whole experience
for me, I was like, yeah, OK, this is this is one of those
things where I was like, yeah, Ienjoy it.
Yeah, it was fine. It was all good and everything.
(07:33):
But I think that that worry of the control thing, yes, I it's
just like, look, I don't. You don't know them very well as
well, Yeah. Yeah, and I don't I don't expect
them to be like, oh, this guy that wants this haircut.
Yes, right. So hence why I went back to the
my OG haircut of like just get my monthly.
It's also much. Cheaper, much cheaper and also
like it's just, it's just yeah, it's just.
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I know it works, but also if yougo back to any hair salon, not
necessarily these guys a couple of times, you will now they will
know what you like. And stuff.
Like this. And then it would just be good.
Yeah. That's the same relationship
with your mom. But I mean, I think of it this
way. It's the same like, let's say a
regular comedian, a regular audience member that comes in,
but it comes like every three months.
Yeah, you like. I've seen it before, but I
forget which bits you've. Heard, yes, yeah, that's true.
(08:15):
There is actually, there is a gentleman who shout out Darren,
his name is Darren and such a it's so interesting to have
characters like this because we also had a few back in Shanghai.
So this guy comes to every othershow for the last, I think 2
years, mostly comes by himself, middle-aged, white gentleman,
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very good sports, super nice, big laugher, doesn't miss an
international headliner because obviously he knows there's like
new acts and stuff comes all thetime.
So sometimes he comes in and I just comp him.
I'm like, because he used to buyon door.
I'm like don't buy on door, buy online.
It's cheaper. And he's like, oh, OK.
And then sometimes he walks in, he's like, I'm still buying on
(09:01):
door. I'm not just walking.
And sometimes I give him like he's actually our VIP, one of
our VIP. Does he get a nose wax?
I don't think he would appreciate that he's quite He's
pretty white. OK, OK.
It's one of. Those.
But one time he walks in and I'mlike, hey there and thanks for
coming again, whatever. And I give him a drink voucher
as like a token of appreciation.He goes, yeah, I'm just a
(09:23):
gentleman with cancer having a beer and he just walks in and
like, what the fuck did? He just say.
He doesn't have like he's, I don't believe he's going through
chemo or anything. So he's like looks like, you
know, has his hair on. I wouldn't tell that he has
cancer. And he just said that in
passing. Like, huh.
And then I caught up with him later.
I'm like, what's the whole cancer thing?
He's like, yeah, I just, like, this is like my favorite
(09:44):
activity. I'm going through cancer.
And it's just like, I like you guys to just come watch and
like, you know what? Yeah.
But he doesn't have those that that cancer look to him.
I did not, you know, he doesn't have the cancer look and I
didn't follow up more on like what kind?
This wasn't the astrology Cancer.
This was. The yes he's not Yes he's not
horoscope Cancer. This wasn't the metaphorical I'm
a cancer to society. I actually have cancer.
(10:05):
No, he's a man who actively now has cancer.
This is where it gets crazier. So he comes to result show last
week with a friend and sits in the front row has a great time
as usual. We say hi blah blah blah.
At the end of the when we is walking out he goes hey you have
this headliner next month Joey and Summers.
(10:26):
I really want to come. However, there's a small
problem. He may not survive close What?
No. No.
He says I have surgery the day before.
Would you please hold? But this is the thing.
I don't know what Sergey again, I didn't pry, but he goes, would
you please hold 2 tickets in case I come out?
(10:47):
And he was basically eluding like if I don't make it, you
will know I'm not going to message.
I'm like the dedication on this guy and how much he's he's, you
know, supporting us is amazing. But also, like, part of me, I'm
like, dude, don't bother with the show.
Make sure. Yeah, like I would bring her to
the hospital. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would.
Well, well, no pressure in joining Summers.
(11:08):
Yeah. I mean, yes, if he comes.
Yeah, because like the hospital gown.
Is it coming? Like please give me the set up.
Yes, yeah, 123 punchline. I also told him don't worry
about the tickets, just just make everybody about that later.
Dude, that is like extreme dramatic.
Like kind of, I mean, I'll put it this way that I love his
(11:30):
attitude on the whole thing because I guess, yeah, at some
point when you go through chemotherapy and the cancer or
whatever, you of course like you're like, I must have just
enjoy it. Like yes, find the lighter side
of it. Obviously he's familiar with a
lot of the local acts and he just doesn't care.
He's sits there, enjoys his time.
Yeah. And yeah, such a great
gentleman. Yeah.
Oh, man, Yeah. That, that that's the thing,
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though, is like when he shows upand people will be like, hey, he
cut the line. You're like, buddy, Yeah.
Buddy, let him. Don't worry.
Yeah, don't worry about it. Trust.
Me, whatever. I'm having a bad day.
I thought I'd come to call me this guy.
Customer line. What the hell?
You're like, buddy, I'm telling you, whatever your bad day was,
whether you're fucking printer ran out of ink or you spilled
your coffee on your shoes or your boss, just, you know, yeah.
(12:12):
Yeah, yeah. Or your.
Yeah. Your wife yelled at you was
like, just don't worry about it.Yeah, Yeah.
This guy deserves anything. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, way for you, man. Well.
I just thought about it now and this is very to me but I just
thought like he is our make a wish guy.
Yeah, he literally is. Yeah, his wish is to come on
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Johnny Summers. He's our make a wish.
Well, I mean in all technicalities, yes, you may be
able to get some funding. Yeah, that is true.
Yes, I should actually. I should work with him.
I'm like, hey, we can we use youas a poster?
For the ambassador, you know, weneeded a few angles of you
laughing at this stage, and thenwe'll do a little profile about
you. Be like, this is Darren.
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Darren one day woke up and realized, wait a second, I'm a
bit different from the next guy.Yeah, the next guy was just
playing soccer, walking around, having breakfast.
And Darren was simply going through chemotherapy.
Yes, he was struggling through life while you were just
complaining about how your Internet it's too slow.
And he was like, you know what is too slow?
My life expectancy. This is going to get darker
(13:18):
because I have a crazy story foryou.
Before we get to this story, youwere saying that you also caught
up with a bunch of people. Yeah.
For doing true crime. Yeah, yeah.
So basically last night there was a podcast community get
together, like basically for Hong Kong podcast, it was the
Hong Kong podcast community. Nice.
That's the name, yes. But it was like this lady who
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has like a it's about like interview 100 different people.
OK. So she put the candy.
She put together this little podcast community get together.
She told me, you know, would yoube interested in joining?
I'm available that now. I'd love to come check it out.
Yeah. I was curious about the podcast
world in Hong Kong. Sure.
And so it was a small little space we had, I believe maybe
like, let's see, it was 88 by 5.That's like around 40-50 people.
(14:00):
Nice. And I was like, wow, there's a
lot of podcasts this year. And obviously you have to do the
hey, hello, everyone. I'm da da da.
Yeah, I do. Yeah.
So we're going by circles. We had eight circles, each of
like 5 people approximately. Yeah.
And in the 1st circle, the firstlady gets up in Cantonese.
She's like, hi, I'm da da da da.And my podcast is a true crime
podcast. OK.
And ready. I was like, well, OK, true
crime. Oh, damn.
(14:20):
OK. I never thought of that being a
topic in Hong Kong, but yeah, you know, I mean, I never
thought people were that into true crime.
I thought they were more into like ghost stories and stuff
like that, right? Like true crime, right, Right.
In Hong Kong, the crime isn't enough where you're like, man,
there's a lot of crime going on over here.
I feel like, I mean, not a lot like, you know, obviously if
you're in like New York or whatever, that's like.
(14:42):
Comparative not yeah, yeah, but I'm seeing the crime.
Crime over here is not like. Let's look at this 3 pages on
the news. You're right, you're right.
Because yeah, if you're doing itlike weekly, I don't know how
how often do they do it. But if you are doing it weekly,
yeah, you won't have much to cover.
Maybe once a month. And then you pick like the top
story. Yeah, of that maybe.
I guess so we are. To do a true crime podcast, I'll
(15:03):
just do once a month. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
And then you pick like, you know, the recap of the month,
Yeah. And hope something happened.
Yeah. You know.
I mean, I get I didn't ask the regularity of that, but then at
the same time I didn't ask like,where do you live?
Like 'cause maybe where they live is extremely fucking.
Dangerous. And yes.
Who knows? And I was like, yeah, I'm
staying away from that area. Yeah.
But then, like, then the first group gets out there.
It was a true gay. Yeah.
Second group, 2 girls again. We also do true crime.
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I'm like, OK, interesting. And the group is like, also true
crowd, like, God damn, dude, like lady, like, where the fuck
are you living, you know? Yeah.
Like, is it like have I? I've been to Calhoun a few
times. I've been all right.
You know, we were in Mongkok that night.
Maybe they are in like the the really like the the Shamshui
post subdivided like cage cage apartments.
I mean, you're coming from thereif.
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You're in a cage apartment and you're running apart.
Let me just say, Darren, maybe dedication step aside.
Yes, exactly. When when got cancer, she had
this bullshit. These people are dedicating in a
cage. To the zoom recorder the zoom.
Recorder, you're like OK, OK, OK, Keep your backs bent so we
can fit in together. We have a guest today.
Oh shit, this. Is the episode we get cancelled?
(16:07):
Yeah. We're gonna make fun of all the
underprivileged. They're gonna be like these guys
are punching down. Yeah, yes.
Well, totally not really punching down because like
Darren, you know, he, he he's coming to us.
We're not going. To him, yeah.
And he is white. He has enough privilege.
Oh, he's fine then, yeah. Exactly.
Yeah, all. Right.
So so then I started going like this is interesting and like
there were different podcasts. It was like a a guy talking
(16:29):
about fitness and bodybuilding. Yeah, this guy like basically
tight shirt gets up and I'm likeI'm going to guess yes, it's
going to do something with like getting buff.
Yes yeah. So this podcast is there he.
Won't be talking about Yeah, he.Won't be talking about true
crime. Exactly.
He definitely has no true crime happening to him.
Someone coming to Robin, he's like, he's like, So then then I
started thinking, I'm like, how,how do you all get all these
(16:52):
topics? And I was like, ladies, like,
you're really into true crime. So all three true crime podcasts
are run by women? Yeah.
All of them. All of them, huh?
And I was like, well, true, because, like, technically they
probably get offended by everything and everything to
them is a crime. Yeah.
I mean, like, I bet you, I think.
I mean, I never heard their their episode for all you know,
(17:12):
like today's episode is about this person wearing the same
dress as me. That's a true crime.
It's like, oh, that's why you're.
Roasting each other? Yeah, like your Yeah, your
haircut is true crime. Yeah, the true crime is we don't
get paid the same amount. It's like, OK, it's not really
true crime, but it's true to you, I guess.
Yeah, it's the true crime is like we're not #1 on the charts
(17:34):
is like, okay, I get what you'redoing.
The true. Crime is patriarchy.
Exactly yeah the true crime is my parents give me pocket money
is yeah okay, okay all right let's check out the next the
other podcast, the true crime. So the true crime is that I have
to have long hair. He doesn't.
It's like, okay, let's go to thethird one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I have no idea.
(17:55):
I didn't hear it. I haven't listened to it before
but like immediately my brain was just like oh don't say it
maybe. You can, yes.
Yeah. I'm glad you saved it for this
podcast where we can get cancelled and real time in front
of five people. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, The funny thing is that then it came to my turn to have
to. Hey, everyone, I'm Abby.
And then people started clapping.
They're like, they knew who I was, right.
And I mean, that's OK. Don't don't pretend to be so
(18:15):
inclusive and everything. It's OK.
It's OK. Yeah.
And then and then. Yeah.
And my brain, I was like, don't say it, Don't say it.
And then so over there they had snacks and drinks and and stuff,
right? And again, another thing there
like candy. And she's listening to this,
like I told her yesterday as well.
I'm like candy for a podcast gathering.
Yes. Why the fuck are all the snacks
chips? Yes.
(18:35):
That is so. Bad you know exactly for the
audio. Yeah, that's so bad for your
throat. Yes, it's salty.
It's fried. It's like, dude, what?
I'm like, are you here to try tofuck us up?
Yes, yes, your podcast. So she can have maybe, maybe
she's setting up an episode of atrue crime where all the
podcasters in Hong Kong die. Yeah, exactly.
Or cannot speak with Yes, the heatiness, the heatiness the.
(18:57):
Heatiness. Yes.
Yes, it's the Yacht Podcast. Everyone's like hi everyone, We
went to the. Van Yeah, that's a good name for
a podcast. Someone can dig at the.
Hate podcast where you're just fucking venting.
Yes. The hate true crime podcast.
The true crime is your breath smells, Yes.
Oh man. But yeah, it was it was really
nice. I was honestly very impressed by
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the diversity of podcasters and pretty much all of them admitted
this was more of a passion project than anything.
Of course, obviously, because inHong Kong, I mean, podcasting
isn't very big. And like, it was just very
fascinating to be like, oh wow. So there are a bunch of people
who are willing to do something purely because they enjoy it.
The number of them are going to be like, yeah, just, you know,
me and my friend were talking and I was like, why would you
(19:38):
put a mic next to this? And I'm like, yeah, that's
exactly it. And so like, I was telling
people I was like, yeah, the whole Hunger podcast #1 is just
literally 0 prep work. Because I was like, so the whole
idea from day one was that I am not going to spend 2-3 hours
before yes. Not because I'm an asshole,
because I generally can't. I don't want to give
expectations, right? Yeah, yeah #2 we don't edit
(19:59):
everything. Yeah, you don't edit.
Yeah. I'm like only the beginning
intro music. And actually that's it.
The idea was to avoid editing. And then.
But I'm like, first of all, if we do have guests, what we try
to do is that when we see the guest kind of stuttering and
gingering and all this stuff, wetry to chime in a bit.
So that keeps it smooth. Because for them, they're like,
yeah, a lot of times you have guests are like, I think.
Well, the thing you talk about and they're like, yeah, we gotta
(20:22):
cut all that stuff out. I'm like, first of all, if you
make me have to listen to this episode myself an hour after
recording it, it's not happening.
Yes, right. Number two, I was like, yeah,
that forces you to be like, I have to somehow keep the rhythm.
Exactly. You have to, yeah, stay sharp.
And also like, yeah, a lot of the times as soon as we stop
recording, the guests would usually ask, like, was this
good? Yeah, like they don't know.
(20:43):
Yeah, yeah. Because a lot of them like don't
obviously do it this this often and sometimes first time or
whatever. And yeah, you're right.
Like, you know, the, the zero prep thing for us is very
important, very important. Otherwise it's it's too much I.
Mean yeah, it's it's so. If you're saying that all the
other podcasters like, like. Very ill edited yeah yes and I
was like, I agree, and also theywere very young as well.
(21:04):
Generally like obviously, so like there were a bunch of
university students as well yes and obviously people who have
jobs and like that's the passionproject they do So I get you
after hours and everything, but I was like I'm I'm straight up I
I said I I our podcast is one hour and they're like, what
about the prep work and all that?
I was like honestly, it's a lot of like 5 is to four yes, this
is this and we we just go with it.
Yep and I was I was giving so remember that episode about the
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Dyson vacuum cleaners? Yes and I was like, that was
half an hour man yeah like just talking about that.
There's a stupid shit and I was giving an example.
What? Are also comedians you're
supposed to like, you know, Riffand yeah.
Riff and stuff. Yeah, and yes, and each other,
yeah. Exactly.
Yeah. So that other thing, I was
telling them that, and once you develop that, like for example,
that remember the Dyson thing, we were literally talking about
like me going on to price.com, buying that shit, going to the
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store, picking up that big thing, missing the bus, going to
the MTR and going like, wow, people don't touch me when I
have a Dyson, you know? Yes, and I was doing that.
See, those are the things that you just keep flowing rather
than saying, yeah, but what's the point of saying that?
I'm like, trust me, Yeah, just say it yes.
And then describe it you. Will find an audience too.
Like you'll find an audience foreverything.
Yeah. As long as you're not boring,
yeah. Yeah, you know, sure.
As Chappelle said, just be interesting.
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Yes, exactly. That's interesting.
Interesting. That's it.
That's what you do. Yeah.
So that was good. We finished that stuff and then
that was that was my evening last night.
It was very different for me. I'm like, I'm very rarely go to
these kind of networking. Yeah, yeah.
And when I went there, I was like, oh, I have a little tag.
That's cool. Did you have the T-shirt on?
I had the. T-shirt.
Nice. I'm not wearing it today.
Yeah, I had the T-shirt on last night.
Yeah, well, it's starting getting pretty warm now.
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I think it's already the weatherwhen it's like if yeah, if
you're out in AT shirt for the whole day.
Or you're melting. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you can't wear it again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's why like even yesterday Imade it a point where because I
had to go to school in the afternoon to give a talk, I did
that work that the shirt and allthat stuff.
Yes. And then before the podcasting,
I went to the gym, showered and then went to the thing.
I was like, yeah, you know, I, Iknow after my whole day, I'm
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like buddy, like. Yes, it's going to be a problem.
Yeah, if I see someone. Let's just say if you see
someone, you're not going to hugthem.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm excited for their sake.
There's a Reason is a podcast and not like a real real live
recording. Yes, Speaking of true crime, and
I'm pretty sure that I don't know what kind of true crime
these three podcasters are doing.
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Is it Hong Kong or is it like current or is it like
historical? I I didn't.
Ask too much. Know that they described too
much. But like, I was too busy in my
own world trying to imagine whatit was.
Yeah. And because I was satisfied with
my imagination, yes, I didn't want them to answer me.
I was like, you know what? I like my version more.
Yeah. So whatever.
Your podcast is irrelevant now because in my world your podcast
is just used. It's just like roasting each
(23:32):
other. And complaining about how the
world is full of crime when it'slike, oh, the crime is that
Epson doesn't have enough ink. Oh, man, going on about the most
mundane things. Like I was in my brain, I kept
thinking like, what is the most mundane thing that you know you
can claim, complain about? Like for example.
I mean, a Hong Kong complain, easy one that we do every other
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week is the true crime is not being able to access Big House
anymore. Yeah, it's over the true.
Crime is that there are too manypeople liking the thing I like,
yes. Exactly.
The true crime. Is this inconvenient for me?
Yes. The true crime is that my
building security guard that really doesn't have the security
guard anything. The true.
Yes. Yeah.
The true crime is your building security guard.
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Now it doesn't even I say hi. Like I used to kind of ignore
me. Now he actively looks the other
way. Yeah.
Why exactly? That's the true crime.
The true. Crime is that when I get in my
building, the lift is not on theground floor waiting for me.
That's the true crime. I mean, like, I think I'm like,
yeah, that could be. That's the whole episode about
how it's not right. You know, like I pay my building
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management fees. If anything, I have two flats in
this building. The lift would be mine, right?
You know, if anything it should automate default to my floor.
Yes, you can probably do a thingwith your phone since you're
like all the gadgets. Yeah, just like the Bluetooth.
It catches you and then it connects to the, to the, I mean,
yeah. Call button.
I mean, what it should have is we should have like an intercom
Yeah, but it tells you where thelift is right now, right?
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So that way you can time those 3seconds.
Do you want to leave your door yet?
Yeah. Or do you want to, you know,
still stay in the? This is the most Hong Kong idea
you've ever had. Oh, this is.
Dude, it's like, it's like now every now and then when I get
like Uber, taxi and stuff like that, yes.
Like literally I'll be like looking at a thing going like
I'm not gonna go down until it says like, you score 2 minutes
away. Yes.
And then like sometimes you go down, it's like 2 minutes.
And then now stuck in driving, like that's the true crime.
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Yeah. You know, the red light's not
green when I'm there. True.
Crime is wasting my time. Yeah, the true crime is when
that that Taobao pickup place, yeah, up from my place has lunch
hour from 3:00 to 4:00. Oh, no, yeah.
I'm like God damn it dude, that's what the hell.
This is supposed to be Taobao, you know what I mean?
Like. Ignoring the true crime you're
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doing to the environment by ordering from Taobao.
Absolutely, Yeah. Yeah.
But you know, that's just crime.That's a regular crime.
Regular crime. I thought about the true ones.
True. To you.
Oh my God, like actually Netflixjust released a a true crime
documentary on the whole OJ thing.
Oh, so I read, I, I, I watched like they did a show like the
(26:05):
People versus Oja few years ago.Yeah, yeah.
Where David Schwimmer, who playsRoss on Friends.
Yeah, yeah. Played the the Kardashian lawyer
and all of that. So it was like, it was very
interesting. Obviously I'm not American.
Didn't grow up, were you? Were you there?
When I wasn't, I I heard of the OJ thing, but I was too young to
understand. Same.
Yeah. I mean, obviously you're like
the the glove fits, Then you gotto.
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You got to quit. Yeah, you must quit and all of
that. Yeah, but I mean, like, it's
interesting because like what I know about that is first of all,
it's like this is where the money and fame actually can do a
lot of. Power.
Yeah. And it's like pretty obvious
that when he got when he was like found not guilty, I was
like, oh. Yeah.
Him being black and everything even more so, I was like, whoa.
Well, the historical, yeah, thisis what this documentary does a
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good job on is that they gave the kind of an historical
background of the whole LA riotsand how bad it was with the
police and the black people thateven the black people who knew
he was guilty. Yeah, he still saw him as just
the face of the Black cause at the time.
If they found him guilty, they found him guilty, yeah.
But like they didn't get to the I didn't get to the end of it
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yet. Obviously, spoiler alert, he was
not guilty and and all of that. But then almost everyone did
interviewing in his life who is like even including his agent
and those people back in the day, they're basically all
saying we knew he did it like right away.
Yeah. But also the evidence that the
documentary does like a kind of a cheeky like commentary on
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their own. So they basically show one of
the things is blood on the Bronco on the car and then the
like the show a photo of it and then the documentary commentary
with an asterisk going it wasn'tin, it wasn't taken as evidence.
And then the next thing they show like a very clear, like,
you know, blood trailer, whatever, and goes and the
Asterix goes, you guessed it wasn't taken as evidence.
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So they're doing their own cheeky commentary on the whole
thing. But there is so much.
It's just like failed police work.
Yeah. Yeah, that was that that that
happened. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, it was not. I'm sure, man, I would not be
surprised that they did the morestrategic they're like, yeah,
we're not going to get this guy because it's going to cause that
other stuff. Yes.
And they're probably like, you know, we'll let this one guy go
because we can avoid like 10 other things happening.
That's. That's basically what they were
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all saying that like, yeah, you say this guy's guilty.
Yeah. And LA rights are as are as bad
as they were. It's going to get like 100
times. Oh yeah, absolutely.
You're just going to cause like probably the whole country.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, it's crazy, but.
Well, I hopefully, hopefully that's on one of the three
podcasts. Hopefully they're talking about
that one. Yeah, maybe they're talking
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about the new true crime podcast.
Yeah, I mean, like true crime shows.
Maybe there's an equivalent Uncle OJ Assam.
You know how? Do you say the juice is loose?
The juice. The audience?
OJ is juice. Yeah.
Yeah, the juice. I have no idea what the would be
in candies. It was not so weird.
No, because they used to say that when he was playing
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football. When?
He's like running. Running.
Yeah, yeah. So that's like one of the things
that juice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's bizarre, dude. But yeah, I mean, so, so I think
that tells you a lot of people that actually people in Hong
Kong are still listening to stuff while he's talking into
my. That's good.
Like, good to know that the podcasting in Hong Kong is big
enough to have, like, different,you know, creators.
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Yeah, exactly. Didn't Tim have?
So wait, Tim was. In Cantonese, so Tim was
invited, but he had a show last night.
OK, yeah. So he has his his podcast.
Podcast. Is he the only comedy podcast?
I believe. Produced in Hong Kong.
Or like comedian podcasts. Yeah, I believe so.
Yeah. Because like he does on his own
and it's. It's not as regular as us, Huh?
So he's like a Bill Burr kind ofstyle.
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Kind of, yeah. Does he rant?
Like what does he do on his? It's a bit of ranting, Yeah,
it's more ranting, but like it'snot as regular, hence why it's
like, OK, you know, I think the last one was in January.
I forget now. OK, so he just does it like
occasion? Whenever, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. He's more focused on like the
Instagram Reels and all that stuff.
Yeah, that's good for him. So, yeah, yeah.
So yeah, we're going back to true crime.
There's something and as the kids like to say, trigger
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warning for the next, for the next story because it is, it is
some a real true crime that I'veseen witnessed myself properly,
including someone dying just last week.
So what happened is as the day of this recording, exactly a
week ago, it was a Friday and I had a meeting on in Shanghuang
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at Elephant Grounds. Everyone knows that coffee shop
Big Coffee. Shop.
In the morning and I I take my dog with me and have the meeting
and then the person I had the meeting with their offices in
Shanghua and like really nearby.So hold on, let's set the scene
properly. It's like a morning was like a
overcast morning. Sunny morning, Happy morning.
It was pretty happy, yeah. OK, so you.
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Leave your house with the dog. You know she's walking and you
got the back of it. Yeah, right.
You're walking like, yeah. Important having actually the
person I'm having the meeting with, I'm not going to identify
them, but they are very high up in the, they are also a friend
of mine, but they're also quite high up in the entertainment
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industry. OK, So I was already excited to
catch up with her. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right, so, so you're walking, you're like gonna have
a meeting? Yeah, that could do with high up
people Massacre. Did you have that music playing
in your head while you walked? I I tried but the distance
between my place and elephant grounds so short that actually
the main I only got the hook in and didn't get the chorus.
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Exactly going to be, oh, I'm here here.
Here we go, right? What can we?
Yeah. Exactly.
So you sit on down, you leash upthe dog, and then you're like,
all right, let's get a get a copy.
Well, I was fasting, so I was actually.
That's why. So that person meeting would
have his or her coffee. Yeah.
Had a coffee, a woman, and she had her coffee and we're
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catching up, you know, talk all kinds of stuff, work mostly.
And then eventually was like mid.
So the meeting is at 10:30 AM and eventually it's like 1145 or
whatever. So you still she had in my life
and stuff. Yeah, it was mostly worked, but
it was basically a worked. Yeah, Yeah.
And then 11:45, she needs to go back to her office.
Yeah, which is also in Shanghuang, just on Queens.
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Road so end of meeting was it like something to look forward
to or like we'll get back to youlike.
Yeah. It was one of those things like,
let's let's eat, let's put it inwriting.
I'll go. Yeah.
I'll say something actually happened now.
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. So.
So she gets up, she's like, you know, happy Robin.
And yes. And she walks off.
Well, yeah. Yeah, that was going to be the
plan, except that I barely walked the dog.
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Yeah, so I'm like, I will walk with you a bit so the dog can
get her walking. OK, OK, OK.
That's actually when it's like crazy, like the movies.
That's when like, you know, the butterfly effect because you
really see it in hindsight. Have I not decided to do this?
Yeah, My whole life would be different.
And. In a way it is.
But even though, like at the endof the story, you realize how
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calm I am about it and my friends were like, you should
see somebody because you seem sochill about it, but then, you
know, we're jumping back and forth.
That's also wasn't just my reaction, it was everyone's
reaction. So so you're done with the
meeting at M 45 AM? Yes, with the dog.
I'll, I'll, I'll walk with you because they're going to walk
the dog. Yeah.
(33:16):
This is like your brain was like, wait a second.
Yeah, we can kill two birds withone stone.
Correct. Walk with it.
It. Was a really bad choice.
Of water all right and then you're walking like.
So we walk through Cat St. Cat Street is very famous.
I actually don't know the story why it's called Cat St. because
the original name is Last Car Upper Last Car.
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Oh, OK, OK, OK. Last car I don't know how to.
Say I'm guessing probably a bunch of cats.
But I think so. But now they don't even have the
cats. The cats are more inside
important. Yeah, Yeah.
But anyway. All the antiques and all that.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
So that street, the famous street with all the antiques,
yes. And of course they have Halfway
Cafe, very popular. Yeah, they now have a really
cool looking tattoo shop. Yeah, yeah.
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Super cool. This is like it looks cool.
I'm not interested at all, but it's like it makes the whole
neighborhood look cool. Anyway.
They also open at crazy hours and stuff.
So my friend slash business person and I and the dog walking
dog, this is our neighborhood. She's off leash.
She's like she knows she where she's going, she's sniffing
around the whole thing. Friend stops.
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There is a spice shop that is quite popular on that street as
well, just down the street, downthe stairs.
So she stops at the spice shop. It's like touristy.
She's from here. She's a local person.
Actually, she's not local. She's half whatever.
Yeah, whatever. Yeah.
So she picks up, but she speaks Cantonese.
She picks up a bunch of spices, takes her time.
And again, it's all like crazy how the timing works.
(34:41):
Does she do the whole spicy powders?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she got like hibiscus or
something. I'm not sure what you got.
OK, So that did she do the wholelike put the hand in the powder
and like kind of sniff a bit of pad like yes?
Well she was like even though her office is there, she clearly
doesn't pass by all the time because she was like oh it
smells so good. I saw.
I really like this stuff. Also she lives on llama that.
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Doesn't really identify. Her, she lives on Llama, so
she's like doesn't have stuff like this there I guess.
So it's just bought a bunch of stuff and, like, so she does
that again. Dog is like sniffing around.
OK again, to set the scene, it'smidday on Friday.
If you are familiar with the area on a good weather day,
this. I wouldn't say it's packed, but
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it's quite busy. Yes.
And a lot of the vendors there are like old people who open
kind of late. Yeah.
In terms of business and stuff, like you do just start setting
up at 11. Yeah.
So at 12 is like the business islike kind of buzzing.
All the stalls are open. Halfway is already rammed.
That's like Friday. Just forget about it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So busy, like it's spelling over
on the street. So halfway is so full, I bet you
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the staff of their are working their brains out.
Go on. That's what that's what we call
in the business. Foreshadowing God.
So yeah. So dog, me and and the lady walk
past halfway. I think we'll make a comment
about how busy it is. Oh, it's so it's got coffee.
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Whatever and then we walk past like the next few meters and I
was actually originally going towalk her all the way down to her
office on Queens Rd. Yeah.
So you're going to ladder, Ladder St. you're on the
ladders, I mean the the steps, right?
Yeah, yeah. But we didn't get to the steps.
We just passed Halfway Cafe, andI changed my mind because I
realized actually, the dog, she's off leash and she doesn't
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really, really like traffic. Yeah.
So why? And now it's really busy.
Why would I take my friend down?Yeah, that way office when I can
just walk back and, like, have, like, a more quiet dog.
Walk with dog. Yeah.
So I actually decided to say byeto her.
I'm like, hey, you know what? You go ahead to your office.
Yeah. We're just gonna turn back.
And she goes, OK, And we say bye.
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And then friend walks away. Dog is just like doing dog
things, just like, you know, being a goofball, sniffing
around and stuff. And before I turn, my friend
walks away. And I was just standing there
because the dog is like, whatever.
So behind me is a street and. And halfway and all of that.
Yeah. So I didn't really turn around
yet, but I heard something fall,like something it's it's loud,
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but it's actually the best way Ican describe it to my ears is
basically like a suitcase. Falling.
Oh wow. So it doesn't really sound like
a person. Spoiler alert, It doesn't sound
like what the movies do. Yeah.
Like when they land on, like, a car or whatever.
Crack it. Yeah, Yeah, none of that.
It's really sounds like a suitcase file.
OK, Yeah. So I turn back and I'm seeing
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everyone kind of like people arewalking by a little confused.
But then I was fixated on the 1 old lady's reaction.
Yeah. Because whatever fell fell right
next to her stall, it didn't hither.
This is spice doll. No, no, no, no.
It's like one of the one of the artifacts.
Yeah, antique stall. So I'm looking at this old lady,
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you know, again, this is all happening literally within like,
you know, few seconds. So I'm looking at this old lady.
I'm like she looks annoyed and confused.
Yeah. And then she keeps looking
behind her stall and then just looking like this, yeah, just
like, Can you believe this shit?Yeah.
So I actually thought the first initial thought was someone
(38:14):
actually threw like trash or whatever.
And she's like, what the actual?Fuck here we.
Go, Yeah, here we go again. So I'm like, OK, that's still
weird. So I walk back like not really
thinking about it. I'm like, OK, whatever something
is, there is, but there's no commotion.
There's just like a little nervousness in the area.
I'm like, what the fuck is goingon?
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Again? Dog is awfully, he's just doing
dog things. And I walked like 3 steps and I
see legs. Yeah.
And again, I didn't really thinkmuch of it.
What I what I did think was, oh,that's a drunk foreigner.
Yeah, that's my first thought. Yeah.
It's not even like a regular drunk Hong Kong.
I'm like, that's a drunk foreign.
Line at this time of the day in this area yes probably went to
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what's that wine shop in the corner that.
Corks. Corks.
They went there. Just finally had the last cup of
wine. Yeah.
Exactly. Let's go no LA.
Yeah, Gervais me or see, I want.To sleep.
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So that was my first thought. It's all legs.
I'm like oh this lady's so annoyed that there is a drunk
porn. Here we go.
Yeah, here we go again. Whatever.
On the other side of that is allthese people hanging out at
halfway and I'm seeing people can see on the camera.
I'm seeing people instead of facing talking to each other
like this, they just move their chair just like.
(39:54):
So they. Can avoid whatever is behind
them. No, they.
Just look away and look. Away the conversation.
Which to me was also knowing what it was, is an insane
reaction because whoops and thenlike look away but continue.
But but yeah, OK, so you saw legs people started turning
away. I'm I'm thinking like, look,
let's be honest. If let's say you're at a coffee
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shop and like literally a drunk foreigner or whatever person
coming from corks yes, just start saying like Javed, don't
be easy and they just lie on thefloor.
I'm turning my chair. Be like you, we.
Yep. Yeah, we, we, we.
Blaze, don't be easy. You know, so if actually in
hindsight, if that was a drunk person, I feel like people would
(40:37):
have reacted. Maybe a couple of good souls
would be like, hey, are you OK to need water?
Yeah. But like, later you learn also,
why did people turn away? Because there was nothing they
can do about it. Yeah, so I go like literally one
more step and I realize this is not a drug person.
That's a very dead person. Whoa.
Very dead. OK.
(40:57):
All right. So the scene is, I'm not going
to be too graphic, you know, I will for many reasons.
You can go ahead. But it's basically clearly a
young woman. You can see just like she's a
young person, not like like now.Later we learn that she's 26.
So like young enough and just fell.
That's all the information we know.
(41:18):
Well, we don't know at this point.
No idea what's happening. We fell as in like streetside
fell or from building fell. From building yeah, yeah,
someone fell from above yeah, yeah.
So very, like, again, I'm not going to be too graphic about
it, just very dead head, massivehead injury to the point that
you're like, there's nothing anyone can do.
(41:39):
Like it's clear that like, this is a dead person.
Look, you know, like when you incomedy, when you have like these
dark moments, yes, the best thing you can do is lighten
things up, Yes. You know what'd be funny?
Go ahead, go ahead. Go ahead.
Get yourself, get yourself in trouble.
I'm just going to react and maybe not.
Laugh if like Someone Like You walks up to her.
Yeah, yeah. And you're like, did it hurt
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when you fell from heaven? OK, I guess maybe I'm not her
type. Maybe I'm not her type.
OK, it's very. Good.
It's a funny pick up line. Why don't you just fuck goddamn
women? Fuck.
Every time. Happy goddamn time.
Even when I nailed. It exactly.
(42:23):
Somebody got to say hey, hey, someone must have fucked their
brains out. Oh God, here we go again.
Yeah. You see, you see that from legs,
You see the torso. Yeah.
So she basically looks like looks quote UN quote normal.
If you look from one side, the other sizes were older like the
(42:45):
basically. The head, OK OK so let me get
visual things. So really.
Hell bent on. Dude, I want to I want to see
the picture because I we. Really have to do that.
I'm really going to do it in thedescription of trigger warning
blah blah blah. Because I've only seen like the
green tent, the aftermath when they've covered everything else.
I've never seen it like, you know, when it's actually boom
and like. I haven't seen it either like
that, like during the protests and stuff you see people getting
(43:06):
shot with. Yeah, not.
Just rubber bullets and stuff and people like I've seen a
couple of people take like bullets to the eye.
Yeah, and like that's to the. Eye, yeah, but that was like as
bad. You just see someone's like, you
know, blood, everyone in the face and whatever.
Yeah. And then like the eye is gone,
yeah. And then you're obviously you're
running away for cover and all of that yeah, that's probably as
(43:26):
bad as. Or remember someone fell and had
like a head injury. Yeah.
But again, like they're clearly alive.
Yeah. Yeah.
That was like the worst I've seen.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back then that I've never seen
something like. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but so I go closer. I don't go like, oh, she I just
like walk on my same path. And she was there.
So I didn't actually, I didn't go closer on purpose.
(43:50):
It was just there. And as soon as I knew what it
was, yeah, I turned back. Was she on her back or on her
stomach? On her stomach, yeah.
That sucks. Man, Yeah, really.
Fucking sucks. That's like the belly flop of
the century, yes. Yeah, go on.
Yeah. Go on.
Yeah. So I turned back and the reason
is first of all, I'm like, I need to process the shit.
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I'm not going to walk path further.
But also because my dog was off leash, I needed to make sure she
doesn't get close. So I actually knowing my dog,
she needs to follow me. So I kind of almost rushed the
bag the other way. My dog can follow me so I can
pick her up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I didn't actually have her leash.
I think because in our neighborhood sometimes we walk
without leash. So I just like wanted to walk
(44:30):
back so I can pick her up. So I did that like walked all
the way to Derek the the older guy with the with the looks like
Yoda or whatever. Calligraphy guy.
Yeah, yeah. Calligraphy guy walked all the
way back to Derek, picked up thedog and didn't walk back.
And while I was walking back, she was still there.
Surprised. Yeah, she did not go anywhere.
(44:51):
All right. And did you give?
Her the red light like your time's up yeah I.
Got it. The old lady was very annoyed at
that point because she knew her business was fucked basically
for the day. But I, I really like, like, I
thought her reaction was like the initial reaction at least
was very Hong Kong because she doesn't give a shit about the,
the young woman because she's not going there.
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Like, Oh my God, she was just going like can.
You believe your shit? But also, Halfway was still
buzz. As I said, people just like,
because Halfway is so popular, people just like, I'm not going
to give up my seat. And this is like they're back by
tourists. And they're like, guy came all
the way down here. I mean, yeah.
Here's one thing that maybe you can help me make sense of, and
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that is including the tourists. So something like this back
home, even if the the person is instantly dead, like clearly
dead, no one can do anything about it.
There will be so much commotion and so much screaming and so
much like someone maybe tried tocover the body and someone's
like don't look. And there will be so many people
trying to do different things. This was honestly it sound it
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the whole thing looked like it'sas if a suitcase filed like,
Yeah, like there is nobody doinganything.
Yeah. Which to me is kind of
horrifying. Yeah.
How come? In a way, it's civil because no
one is, like, making it worse and like, but in the same time,
it's too eerily fucking quiet. Yeah.
And you see tours coming unsuspectingly, coming that way,
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seeing there's a dead person clearly and just going whoops.
And then they pretend to just godown the stairs.
Yeah. Like I stood there for like a
couple of minutes and they're like.
And no one knew what to do. But it was so quiet.
Yeah. That like, to me, that's not
right. Like people not being horrified.
Like there's no like it's a normally actually see this on
fucking scream. Yeah, but no one is doing.
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It I bet you anything, everyone I'm going to put money on this.
Everybody probably thinks this is one of those, some shop over
here just to be Instagramable, decided to put this over there,
but I'll get some attention. People come to our shop, you
know, and they're like, what does this place sell?
Yeah, you're right. Actually, they might have
thought this was a stunt. Like this is a realistic.
Yeah, kind of like it's pretty. Cool.
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Yeah, You know, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because like in your right mind,you will not think this is.
No, you're right, it's midday onFriday or one of the busiest
tour see streets in Hong Kong. The whole thing doesn't really
make sense. And you're 100% right.
I think people thought maybe it's an art piece.
Yeah. And they, like, didn't want to
get too close. Yeah.
That's like, I don't like this. It looks too realistic or
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whatever. I don't know what the fuck it
was. Yeah, you're right.
Because people coming that way wouldn't hear the impact.
Yeah, actually it's just there, OK.
I mean, and obviously in your brain, like there's a fucking
debt, like no one do anything. I guess that must be correct.
Like, yes, probably done on purpose.
Like yeah, yeah, you give that benefit of the doubt.
Like, you know, like go to the like, Oh yeah, dead body.
Oh yeah, you're like, OK, that clearly it was designed to be
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put there, so should be OK. Yeah, so I stood there for like
a couple more minutes, just alsolike I I'm a little far now and
just stopped still there, not necessarily to like look what's
happening, but more to like process it.
I didn't want to look away, likewalk away without like I kind of
get an understanding as well. So I stood there a couple more
minutes. The the, I guess what Americans
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call first responder. I don't know how you call it
here. Yeah.
The guy on the motorbike, the ambulance motorbike with the
orange vest. Yeah.
Yeah, he comes. Yeah.
So obviously someone called. I did actually try to call, and
I think I forgot I tried 999. Yeah, 999, because I remember
from Chris's joke. Triple. 9.
Somehow it didn't connect. So I actually did 110.
(48:31):
I don't know what that was. And then I did 911.
None of them were. I did try to call earlier what
literally as soon as I knew thisis it.
But then I also saw other peopleon the phone, like someone would
call it in. So the guy with the orange vest
comes and I watch him. This is actually I, I leave like
right after I watch this poor guy because I think he's
supposed to try to help. That's why he's on the motorbike
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and he's an ambulance guy. He's supposed to try to help.
He didn't even kneel down because he is just standing
there and his helmet still on his head and watching and he's
like, what the fuck? Like there is nothing I can do.
So I watched that guy look at her for like a full minute and
he's like, I think with his job he has to get too close or
whatever, but he didn't like kneel down.
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But I feel so bad for him because he was the closest he
got to who got to the body at that point.
And then, and then I woke up by corks and I'm like, all right,
that's it. Literally by the time I go up,
it was like a full CSI crime scene.
They are already the, the fire trucks have arrived, all the
special units have arrived. And then later I actually go
(49:34):
back out to to go on with my daywithout the dog.
And I've seen them actually do like the whole tent and the
cordon off. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And later when I come back in the evening, that actually
everything is back to normal. Yeah.
A classic Hong Kong fashion. Everything is gone.
And the cleaning truck is there to, like, water hose everything
like power hose with like the. Yeah, yeah.
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Jet and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jet.
And also like bleach and all of that stuff.
So to Fast forward, I looked on it on the news for the next
couple of days couldn't find anything to the point of like
what the fuck is this crazy Likewhat the hell.
Until to give closer to everyoneuntil we found I found one
article on dim sum daily and thearticle I'll leave it in the in
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the description of the episode the article is from Dim sum
daily says dim sum daily with all this fucking ads 26 year old
woman found dead after falling in Shan Juan and the article
basically says yeah 7th of Marchat around noon today I guess the
wrote it. I found it later.
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Law enforcement received reportsof a woman lying unconscious
outside of 171-177 Hollywood Rd.in Shanghuang with suspicion
that she has fallen from a height.
Paramedics arrived on the scene.Confirmed death of 26 year old
woman identified by her surname Han Hon.
Preliminary investigation suggests you fell from a unit in
the building. Authorities did not receive a
suicide note at the scene and the cause of death will be
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determined by following an autopsy.
That's it. So I see this, I'm like, OK,
there's no more news until last night, Literally last night at
the day of this recording. I have a friend who actually
lives in that building. Yeah.
So I catch up with a friend a few days ago.
I'm like, hey, did you hear about the woman?
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She goes, I didn't hear anything.
So I actually take her to the the spot because people leave
flowers and stuff. I take her to the spot.
She was like, she might have fallen from the from the short
building on the street. That's actually what I thought
happened until. And then I asked that girl to
ask around in her building. She goes, you know, how like
she's Indian and she says, you know, Chinese people, like they
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don't like to talk about this stuff.
So I think it's going to be hard.
No one is going to say anything.But then I get a message from
her last night. And that's actually where like
the real true crime. Yeah, I got a message from her
last night. She basically did some digging,
eventually did find some more information.
Here's the message. By the way, I heard the girl, 26
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year old local Hong Konger jumped from 16th floor of my
building. But that's actually where she
landed is insane because there is a lot of clearance on that.
Yeah, it's a lot of clear because there is a short
building in the way. Yeah.
So that would be like she literally ran and jumped, like
you don't know. The next message is even more
confusing. And again, don't know if this is
(52:32):
considered spreading rumors or whatever.
This is a podcast. Don't fucking come for us.
Next message was again, this is she said I heard next message
was was having an argument with her boyfriend.
So he maybe, maybe he pushed her, who knows.
Police are checking CCTV. That's it.
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God damn dude. Yeah.
That's ridiculous. Man, that is yes, that's that's
so far. That's all we know.
Well. I mean, I guess we can take a
lesson from that. Is that just let your man be
right? Sometimes, yes, exactly.
Be right, dude, Like you will. OK?
Can I go back home now? God damn, dude.
Like you're standing in front ofthe exit.
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OK, fine. You know you didn't cheat on me.
Fine, OK. She's a bitch.
She's a friend, yeah. She fell on top, but you're
naked. Great.
OK, fine. You're right.
I'm wrong. Can we get on with life, you
know? That actually also makes sense
now that she's saying is 16th floor given how much damage.
Yeah, because I was also confused about her state, given
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that we have all thought, or I guess if you're looking at it,
you would think she's jumped from the small building.
The small building is only 4th floor, but unless you fall
directly on your head, it wouldn't make sense how much
damage that was until you realize it's actually 16th
floor. That makes sense.
That makes a lot more sense because even if you didn't fall
in your head directly, just the impact of the gravity 16th floor
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would do that much damage. Crazy.
Happened a week ago if we if we do art.
If you are a hardcore podcast listener, you can connect that
to the very the earlier episode from a few years ago where I
lived in Sympon. Walked down the stairs to walk
my dog and then found blood everywhere right in front of my
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building. And turns out a taxi driver was
stabbed at 5:00 AM right by Eastern St. and Queens Road and
bled out in front of my building.
Welcome to my life. Well, there you go, everyone.
Now the moral of the story is, don't be MO's friends.
Yeah, don't. No, no, I highly advise against
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it. Don't rent to mow.
I think I will have to go to Manmo temple, yeah, and pray
that juju, bad juju, away with the sage or whatever.
Whatever you have to do. Shout out to my friend Sarah Lao
who few years ago when that happened she actually came to
the house and sage the house. Nice clearly did not help but
good effort Sarah. OK thanks everyone.
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This was we're going to put all kinds of trigger warnings on
this, but this was obviously understandably heavy and all the
disclaimers if you are thinking blah blah blah called blah blah
blah and all of these things andyeah find us on social media.
I don't even know how to close this anymore.
Funny. Vivek the other Muhammad
subscribe to Patreon. This one just a teaser.
(55:22):
I will be bitching about people making you might not actually
like this very much, but people like the the people low balling
us in the in the in the private.Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like I'm I'm
kind of done with this. I'm just gonna like, yeah, I'm
just gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna go for it because this is really
annoying, especially when it's like rich clients or whatever.
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All right, that's it for us. Thanks everyone.
Join, join us on the Patreon. Bye bye.
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Music.
So I reiterate here, the bill isdead.
The story of this great city is about the years before this
night. Hey everyone this is Ho Ho Hong
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Kong with me Vivek Mabubani and my Co host who is.
I am Mohammed Magdi. Freshly shaved and not beer
shaved. Yeah.
Side shaved side there. Same guy.
Yeah, of course. Image hairs alone.
They actually added this time tothe same routine.
Yeah. Waxing the ears and whatever.
They added the nose, nose wax, which I never, Yes, I never did
(00:46):
before, but man, it's painful. Does it go?
How deep does it go? It's pretty deep, I would say.
But like, right now you can see it on my camera.
It's like there is no, I've never done it before.
It's just like 35 years of hair.And he just, like, pulled
everything out. And of course he likes to show
you. Yeah, Yeah, I feel.
Like that, doesn't. And it is like, you can, like,
stick your hand in there all theway.
(01:06):
There's no hair. Yeah, it's very weird.
What's? The what's the immediate like?
Like usually you would have thatimmediate reaction of like, oh,
the air is smoother or yeah. It took a while because I think
there might have been like some leftover wax or.
Something so it. Felt like a little blocked on
one side, yeah. And then eventually just went
away. Yeah.
And now it feels like, yeah, so much smoother.
Yeah. I feel like athletes should be
(01:27):
doing that. Maybe they're maybe they are
doing. Yeah.
You're like, how was that edge? They're doing like it's.
Waxing the nose, man. Yes, you need an Indian uncle to
wax your house. Yeah, oddly enough, like the
Indian athletes, though, doesn'tseem to help much.
Yeah, like, I don't know what's going on here.
Yeah, we're the cricket guys, maybe.
Yeah, we have the technology, we're just not using it.
When I walked into Image Hair Salon, the the whole shop was
(01:53):
covered in colors because it washoly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And including like, they're the
guys who are working there. They're just all covered in.
Colors and. So one one thing I'm proud of
because towards the end he was like, do you want to wash your
hair? I'm like, it doesn't need a
wash. And he goes, yeah, I'm like, I
think you need a wash. Yeah.
And he was like, nice. Yeah, I mean, it'd be funny like
(02:15):
that time they throw in like free hair coloring and stuff
like that. Yeah, that'd be good.
You know, I like just at the end, like spray a little color
on your hair, like here's a little blue for you.
There's a like a little flare. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it was.
Also funny because like the guys, I'm the boss is like a
kind of a manly man. Yeah, but then I couldn't take
him seriously when he's like doing my beard.
In like pink colour. Yeah, yeah.
Like, buddy, like, I don't know about you, but maybe you want to
(02:35):
hold on to like a steak or a beer in your other hand.
That'll help me a lot. This is, I mean, the the thing
though, is that does it doesn't take a real man to be able to
have all that flair and still beable to be like, oh, man.
Yeah, true. Right.
Yeah, yeah. You're so secure in yourself
that you're like, I don't need this stuff.
I could be the man if I need to.Also, I am now VIP after being
(02:57):
there, like going there for likemany years, I'm now VIP.
You know what? The VIP treatment.
Is you don't have to line up. No, actually, I wish that that's
no, they don't have that rule. But VIP, let me let me guess,
OK. VIP is you get a glass of water
when you arrive close. OK, You get Chai.
Yes. Yeah, yeah.
We'll give you our Chai. Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It'll be one of those things, like the low cost things, yes,
they didn't actually do anythingextra.
For no, he literally actually dumped from his cup.
Yeah, he like right, right. I mean, I guess he's just like,
oh, I need an excuse to get get rid of this child.
Yeah, yeah. And like, hey, you're the VIP.
Yes. You get some of my child.
You're like, no, what I don't want like I never you.
(03:37):
Don't have choice, he sits you on the on the Barber seat and
then gives you the try while he's enjoying as well and.
So do you drink it while you're having a haircut?
No, like you finish it first andthen you start.
Less you're like a slow drinker.You just sit there and watch you
so. So tell me where you from.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, wow, yeah, I remember like
that's the one thing I never liked is is like with every kind
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of these encounters where you have to spend extra time like,
for example, when you see a doctor.
Yeah, go in, bam, out. Yeah, I see.
With the dentist, at least, you can't really talk.
So there's no like need to like,hey.
Yeah. But with the with the Barber,
the last time I went to Image Hair salon, I remember the guy
was he didn't talk too much because I like I try to make.
It they might have expected you to speak Hindi.
That as well, because. They're all like, didn't
(04:19):
understand anything they were saying.
At all, I couldn't understand what they were saying, but I
couldn't really respond. But like this is the one thing
when I go to these things, I'm not trying to be rude, but it's
like I just want to sit there and get this done because.
You're too Congress. Yeah.
And I'm deep in my thoughts. I'm like, I just want to take
this moment now that I can't go anywhere to just think of my own
shit. Sure, sure.
Right. And of course, every now and
then, you know, the the awkward thing between cutting and
(04:43):
changing the razor. Yes, he said.
Oh duh, from along I'm like, ah man, just just pick up the razor
dude. Like you know, I get you were
changing equipment and thereforeyou're like, oh shit, my hands
are not doing anything. Yes, let me keep him occupied so
he doesn't feel I'm wasting the time.
Oh. Man, and then you're looking at
yourself in the mirror. It's also weird when you like,
(05:03):
don't know where to look. Yeah, you're looking at and
you're looking at his reflectionin the mirror and talking to him
and he's looking at his as your reflection.
You're like, you know, we're literally right next to each
other, but you can't turn your head because if you turn your
head, he fucks your haircut. Yes, right.
So you're like. The very first times I went
there years ago, I made this so like there's stupid mistake of
going like, oh, you're left-handed like me.
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He's like, no, you're looking atthe mirror.
I'm. Like, shit.
Yeah, it was. So funny.
He's like, I was super dying. Like I looked at like literally
the scissors on his right hand right here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm looking there.
I'm like left-handed. He's like.
No, man, the I think at that moment he probably had a quick
thought. I think this guy needs the bowl
haircut. Yeah, the bowl haircut, man, I
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think that that's with him, his style, his personality, man.
Yeah, yeah, right, right over there.
Be like put around the ball, butOK, you keep the ball, don't hit
your head. Yeah.
When you leave, yeah. That's OK.
So you got the haircut, you did the whole thing.
Did they do the head massage? No, not this time, really.
I think I spent so much, so longthere because between the hair,
(06:04):
beard trim fading and then face wax, ear wax, nose wax and then
hair wash and drag up is literally took almost 2 hours. 2
hours yeah he was really well mybeard was like out of control,
so he took a long time for maybeyou guys can see his very
nicely. Oh, and then he also did
threading that also. Takes.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's the story.And also like they, I just let
(06:27):
them do whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He just asks and the answer is always yes.
You want to thread? Sure.
You want. I'm like, just just do
everything. Yeah, yeah.
You decide. How much did it cost anyway?
Like 40 bucks? 50 bucks more.
Yes, exactly. The whole thing now with the
whole thing that I did was 300 bucks, which is still like crazy
crazy. Two really good yeah two hours,
the whole thing clean up. You just walk out like a new
(06:49):
man. Yeah.
So image hairs alone. Another another plug for you
guys. Yeah, yeah, definitely go check
them out so. Yeah.
It was interesting my experienceover there.
I would say I would give them anan 8 out of 10, mostly because
like I mean, I haven't been to ahair salon in so long, so I
didn't know what the protocol was yes.
I didn't know the specifics. I mean, the fact that I, I did
my homework and had a few photoson my phone hoping like, I guess
(07:11):
I can show him this yes and the guy didn't even need to look at
it really. I didn't look at it.
I was like, OK, never mind. I was like, you know what?
I. Exactly.
I know what to do, yeah. Yeah, it was like the end of the
year. I was like, you know, it doesn't
matter if if it fucks up, my haircut does whatever.
Yeah. And they did a good job.
I won't say they did a bad job, but like the whole experience
for me, I was like, yeah, OK, this is this is one of those
things where I was like, yeah, Ienjoy it.
Yeah, it was fine. It was all good and everything.
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But I think that that worry of the control thing, yes, I it's
just like, look, I don't. You don't know them very well as
well, Yeah. Yeah, and I don't I don't expect
them to be like, oh, this guy that wants this haircut.
Yes, right. So hence why I went back to the
my OG haircut of like just get my monthly.
It's also much. Cheaper, much cheaper and also
like it's just, it's just yeah, it's just.
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I know it works, but also if yougo back to any hair salon, not
necessarily these guys a couple of times, you will now they will
know what you like. And stuff.
Like this. And then it would just be good.
Yeah. That's the same relationship
with your mom. But I mean, I think of it this
way. It's the same like, let's say a
regular comedian, a regular audience member that comes in,
but it comes like every three months.
Yeah, you like. I've seen it before, but I
forget which bits you've. Heard, yes, yeah, that's true.
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There is actually, there is a gentleman who shout out Darren,
his name is Darren and such a it's so interesting to have
characters like this because we also had a few back in Shanghai.
So this guy comes to every othershow for the last, I think 2
years, mostly comes by himself, middle-aged, white gentleman,
(08:40):
very good sports, super nice, big laugher, doesn't miss an
international headliner because obviously he knows there's like
new acts and stuff comes all thetime.
So sometimes he comes in and I just comp him.
I'm like, because he used to buyon door.
I'm like don't buy on door, buy online.
It's cheaper. And he's like, oh, OK.
And then sometimes he walks in, he's like, I'm still buying on
(09:01):
door. I'm not just walking.
And sometimes I give him like he's actually our VIP, one of
our VIP. Does he get a nose wax?
I don't think he would appreciate that he's quite He's
pretty white. OK, OK.
It's one of. Those.
But one time he walks in and I'mlike, hey there and thanks for
coming again, whatever. And I give him a drink voucher
as like a token of appreciation.He goes, yeah, I'm just a
(09:23):
gentleman with cancer having a beer and he just walks in and
like, what the fuck did? He just say.
He doesn't have like he's, I don't believe he's going through
chemo or anything. So he's like looks like, you
know, has his hair on. I wouldn't tell that he has
cancer. And he just said that in
passing. Like, huh.
And then I caught up with him later.
I'm like, what's the whole cancer thing?
He's like, yeah, I just, like, this is like my favorite
(09:44):
activity. I'm going through cancer.
And it's just like, I like you guys to just come watch and
like, you know what? Yeah.
But he doesn't have those that that cancer look to him.
I did not, you know, he doesn't have the cancer look and I
didn't follow up more on like what kind?
This wasn't the astrology Cancer.
This was. The yes he's not Yes he's not
horoscope Cancer. This wasn't the metaphorical I'm
a cancer to society. I actually have cancer.
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No, he's a man who actively now has cancer.
This is where it gets crazier. So he comes to result show last
week with a friend and sits in the front row has a great time
as usual. We say hi blah blah blah.
At the end of the when we is walking out he goes hey you have
this headliner next month Joey and Summers.
(10:26):
I really want to come. However, there's a small
problem. He may not survive close What?
No. No.
He says I have surgery the day before.
Would you please hold? But this is the thing.
I don't know what Sergey again, I didn't pry, but he goes, would
you please hold 2 tickets in case I come out?
(10:47):
And he was basically eluding like if I don't make it, you
will know I'm not going to message.
I'm like the dedication on this guy and how much he's he's, you
know, supporting us is amazing. But also, like, part of me, I'm
like, dude, don't bother with the show.
Make sure. Yeah, like I would bring her to
the hospital. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would.
Well, well, no pressure in joining Summers.
(11:08):
Yeah. I mean, yes, if he comes.
Yeah, because like the hospital gown.
Is it coming? Like please give me the set up.
Yes, yeah, 123 punchline. I also told him don't worry
about the tickets, just just make everybody about that later.
Dude, that is like extreme dramatic.
Like kind of, I mean, I'll put it this way that I love his
(11:30):
attitude on the whole thing because I guess, yeah, at some
point when you go through chemotherapy and the cancer or
whatever, you of course like you're like, I must have just
enjoy it. Like yes, find the lighter side
of it. Obviously he's familiar with a
lot of the local acts and he just doesn't care.
He's sits there, enjoys his time.
Yeah. And yeah, such a great
gentleman. Yeah.
Oh, man, Yeah. That, that that's the thing,
(11:50):
though, is like when he shows upand people will be like, hey, he
cut the line. You're like, buddy, Yeah.
Buddy, let him. Don't worry.
Yeah, don't worry about it. Trust.
Me, whatever. I'm having a bad day.
I thought I'd come to call me this guy.
Customer line. What the hell?
You're like, buddy, I'm telling you, whatever your bad day was,
whether you're fucking printer ran out of ink or you spilled
your coffee on your shoes or your boss, just, you know, yeah.
(12:12):
Yeah, yeah. Or your.
Yeah. Your wife yelled at you was
like, just don't worry about it.Yeah, Yeah.
This guy deserves anything. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, way for you, man. Well.
I just thought about it now and this is very to me but I just
thought like he is our make a wish guy.
Yeah, he literally is. Yeah, his wish is to come on
(12:34):
Johnny Summers. He's our make a wish.
Well, I mean in all technicalities, yes, you may be
able to get some funding. Yeah, that is true.
Yes, I should actually. I should work with him.
I'm like, hey, we can we use youas a poster?
For the ambassador, you know, weneeded a few angles of you
laughing at this stage, and thenwe'll do a little profile about
you. Be like, this is Darren.
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Darren one day woke up and realized, wait a second, I'm a
bit different from the next guy.Yeah, the next guy was just
playing soccer, walking around, having breakfast.
And Darren was simply going through chemotherapy.
Yes, he was struggling through life while you were just
complaining about how your Internet it's too slow.
And he was like, you know what is too slow?
My life expectancy. This is going to get darker
(13:18):
because I have a crazy story foryou.
Before we get to this story, youwere saying that you also caught
up with a bunch of people. Yeah.
For doing true crime. Yeah, yeah.
So basically last night there was a podcast community get
together, like basically for Hong Kong podcast, it was the
Hong Kong podcast community. Nice.
That's the name, yes. But it was like this lady who
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has like a it's about like interview 100 different people.
OK. So she put the candy.
She put together this little podcast community get together.
She told me, you know, would yoube interested in joining?
I'm available that now. I'd love to come check it out.
Yeah. I was curious about the podcast
world in Hong Kong. Sure.
And so it was a small little space we had, I believe maybe
like, let's see, it was 88 by 5.That's like around 40-50 people.
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Nice. And I was like, wow, there's a
lot of podcasts this year. And obviously you have to do the
hey, hello, everyone. I'm da da da.
Yeah, I do. Yeah.
So we're going by circles. We had eight circles, each of
like 5 people approximately. Yeah.
And in the 1st circle, the firstlady gets up in Cantonese.
She's like, hi, I'm da da da da.And my podcast is a true crime
podcast. OK.
And ready. I was like, well, OK, true
crime. Oh, damn.
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OK. I never thought of that being a
topic in Hong Kong, but yeah, you know, I mean, I never
thought people were that into true crime.
I thought they were more into like ghost stories and stuff
like that, right? Like true crime, right, Right.
In Hong Kong, the crime isn't enough where you're like, man,
there's a lot of crime going on over here.
I feel like, I mean, not a lot like, you know, obviously if
you're in like New York or whatever, that's like.
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Comparative not yeah, yeah, but I'm seeing the crime.
Crime over here is not like. Let's look at this 3 pages on
the news. You're right, you're right.
Because yeah, if you're doing itlike weekly, I don't know how
how often do they do it. But if you are doing it weekly,
yeah, you won't have much to cover.
Maybe once a month. And then you pick like the top
story. Yeah, of that maybe.
I guess so we are. To do a true crime podcast, I'll
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just do once a month. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
And then you pick like, you know, the recap of the month,
Yeah. And hope something happened.
Yeah. You know.
I mean, I get I didn't ask the regularity of that, but then at
the same time I didn't ask like,where do you live?
Like 'cause maybe where they live is extremely fucking.
Dangerous. And yes.
Who knows? And I was like, yeah, I'm
staying away from that area. Yeah.
But then, like, then the first group gets out there.
It was a true gay. Yeah.
Second group, 2 girls again. We also do true crime.
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I'm like, OK, interesting. And the group is like, also true
crowd, like, God damn, dude, like lady, like, where the fuck
are you living, you know? Yeah.
Like, is it like have I? I've been to Calhoun a few
times. I've been all right.
You know, we were in Mongkok that night.
Maybe they are in like the the really like the the Shamshui
post subdivided like cage cage apartments.
I mean, you're coming from thereif.
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You're in a cage apartment and you're running apart.
Let me just say, Darren, maybe dedication step aside.
Yes, exactly. When when got cancer, she had
this bullshit. These people are dedicating in a
cage. To the zoom recorder the zoom.
Recorder, you're like OK, OK, OK, Keep your backs bent so we
can fit in together. We have a guest today.
Oh shit, this. Is the episode we get cancelled?
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Yeah. We're gonna make fun of all the
underprivileged. They're gonna be like these guys
are punching down. Yeah, yes.
Well, totally not really punching down because like
Darren, you know, he, he he's coming to us.
We're not going. To him, yeah.
And he is white. He has enough privilege.
Oh, he's fine then, yeah. Exactly.
Yeah, all. Right.
So so then I started going like this is interesting and like
there were different podcasts. It was like a a guy talking
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about fitness and bodybuilding. Yeah, this guy like basically
tight shirt gets up and I'm likeI'm going to guess yes, it's
going to do something with like getting buff.
Yes yeah. So this podcast is there he.
Won't be talking about Yeah, he.Won't be talking about true
crime. Exactly.
He definitely has no true crime happening to him.
Someone coming to Robin, he's like, he's like, So then then I
started thinking, I'm like, how,how do you all get all these
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topics? And I was like, ladies, like,
you're really into true crime. So all three true crime podcasts
are run by women? Yeah.
All of them. All of them, huh?
And I was like, well, true, because, like, technically they
probably get offended by everything and everything to
them is a crime. Yeah.
I mean, like, I bet you, I think.
I mean, I never heard their their episode for all you know,
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like today's episode is about this person wearing the same
dress as me. That's a true crime.
It's like, oh, that's why you're.
Roasting each other? Yeah, like your Yeah, your
haircut is true crime. Yeah, the true crime is we don't
get paid the same amount. It's like, OK, it's not really
true crime, but it's true to you, I guess.
Yeah, it's the true crime is like we're not #1 on the charts
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is like, okay, I get what you'redoing.
The true. Crime is patriarchy.
Exactly yeah the true crime is my parents give me pocket money
is yeah okay, okay all right let's check out the next the
other podcast, the true crime. So the true crime is that I have
to have long hair. He doesn't.
It's like, okay, let's go to thethird one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I have no idea.
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I didn't hear it. I haven't listened to it before
but like immediately my brain was just like oh don't say it
maybe. You can, yes.
Yeah. I'm glad you saved it for this
podcast where we can get cancelled and real time in front
of five people. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, The funny thing is that then it came to my turn to have
to. Hey, everyone, I'm Abby.
And then people started clapping.
They're like, they knew who I was, right.
And I mean, that's OK. Don't don't pretend to be so
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inclusive and everything. It's OK.
It's OK. Yeah.
And then and then. Yeah.
And my brain, I was like, don't say it, Don't say it.
And then so over there they had snacks and drinks and and stuff,
right? And again, another thing there
like candy. And she's listening to this,
like I told her yesterday as well.
I'm like candy for a podcast gathering.
Yes. Why the fuck are all the snacks
chips? Yes.
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That is so. Bad you know exactly for the
audio. Yeah, that's so bad for your
throat. Yes, it's salty.
It's fried. It's like, dude, what?
I'm like, are you here to try tofuck us up?
Yes, yes, your podcast. So she can have maybe, maybe
she's setting up an episode of atrue crime where all the
podcasters in Hong Kong die. Yeah, exactly.
Or cannot speak with Yes, the heatiness, the heatiness the.
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Heatiness. Yes.
Yes, it's the Yacht Podcast. Everyone's like hi everyone, We
went to the. Van Yeah, that's a good name for
a podcast. Someone can dig at the.
Hate podcast where you're just fucking venting.
Yes. The hate true crime podcast.
The true crime is your breath smells, Yes.
Oh man. But yeah, it was it was really
nice. I was honestly very impressed by
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the diversity of podcasters and pretty much all of them admitted
this was more of a passion project than anything.
Of course, obviously, because inHong Kong, I mean, podcasting
isn't very big. And like, it was just very
fascinating to be like, oh wow. So there are a bunch of people
who are willing to do something purely because they enjoy it.
The number of them are going to be like, yeah, just, you know,
me and my friend were talking and I was like, why would you
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put a mic next to this? And I'm like, yeah, that's
exactly it. And so like, I was telling
people I was like, yeah, the whole Hunger podcast #1 is just
literally 0 prep work. Because I was like, so the whole
idea from day one was that I am not going to spend 2-3 hours
before yes. Not because I'm an asshole,
because I generally can't. I don't want to give
expectations, right? Yeah, yeah #2 we don't edit
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everything. Yeah, you don't edit.
Yeah. I'm like only the beginning
intro music. And actually that's it.
The idea was to avoid editing. And then.
But I'm like, first of all, if we do have guests, what we try
to do is that when we see the guest kind of stuttering and
gingering and all this stuff, wetry to chime in a bit.
So that keeps it smooth. Because for them, they're like,
yeah, a lot of times you have guests are like, I think.
Well, the thing you talk about and they're like, yeah, we gotta
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cut all that stuff out. I'm like, first of all, if you
make me have to listen to this episode myself an hour after
recording it, it's not happening.
Yes, right. Number two, I was like, yeah,
that forces you to be like, I have to somehow keep the rhythm.
Exactly. You have to, yeah, stay sharp.
And also like, yeah, a lot of the times as soon as we stop
recording, the guests would usually ask, like, was this
good? Yeah, like they don't know.
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Yeah, yeah. Because a lot of them like don't
obviously do it this this often and sometimes first time or
whatever. And yeah, you're right.
Like, you know, the, the zero prep thing for us is very
important, very important. Otherwise it's it's too much I.
Mean yeah, it's it's so. If you're saying that all the
other podcasters like, like. Very ill edited yeah yes and I
was like, I agree, and also theywere very young as well.
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Generally like obviously, so like there were a bunch of
university students as well yes and obviously people who have
jobs and like that's the passionproject they do So I get you
after hours and everything, but I was like I'm I'm straight up I
I said I I our podcast is one hour and they're like, what
about the prep work and all that?
I was like honestly, it's a lot of like 5 is to four yes, this
is this and we we just go with it.
Yep and I was I was giving so remember that episode about the
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Dyson vacuum cleaners? Yes and I was like, that was
half an hour man yeah like just talking about that.
There's a stupid shit and I was giving an example.
What? Are also comedians you're
supposed to like, you know, Riffand yeah.
Riff and stuff. Yeah, and yes, and each other,
yeah. Exactly.
Yeah. So that other thing, I was
telling them that, and once you develop that, like for example,
that remember the Dyson thing, we were literally talking about
like me going on to price.com, buying that shit, going to the
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store, picking up that big thing, missing the bus, going to
the MTR and going like, wow, people don't touch me when I
have a Dyson, you know? Yes, and I was doing that.
See, those are the things that you just keep flowing rather
than saying, yeah, but what's the point of saying that?
I'm like, trust me, Yeah, just say it yes.
And then describe it you. Will find an audience too.
Like you'll find an audience foreverything.
Yeah. As long as you're not boring,
yeah. Yeah, you know, sure.
As Chappelle said, just be interesting.
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Yes, exactly. That's interesting.
Interesting. That's it.
That's what you do. Yeah.
So that was good. We finished that stuff and then
that was that was my evening last night.
It was very different for me. I'm like, I'm very rarely go to
these kind of networking. Yeah, yeah.
And when I went there, I was like, oh, I have a little tag.
That's cool. Did you have the T-shirt on?
I had the. T-shirt.
Nice. I'm not wearing it today.
Yeah, I had the T-shirt on last night.
Yeah, well, it's starting getting pretty warm now.
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I think it's already the weatherwhen it's like if yeah, if
you're out in AT shirt for the whole day.
Or you're melting. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you can't wear it again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's why like even yesterday Imade it a point where because I
had to go to school in the afternoon to give a talk, I did
that work that the shirt and allthat stuff.
Yes. And then before the podcasting,
I went to the gym, showered and then went to the thing.
I was like, yeah, you know, I, Iknow after my whole day, I'm
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like buddy, like. Yes, it's going to be a problem.
Yeah, if I see someone. Let's just say if you see
someone, you're not going to hugthem.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm excited for their sake.
There's a Reason is a podcast and not like a real real live
recording. Yes, Speaking of true crime, and
I'm pretty sure that I don't know what kind of true crime
these three podcasters are doing.
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Is it Hong Kong or is it like current or is it like
historical? I I didn't.
Ask too much. Know that they described too
much. But like, I was too busy in my
own world trying to imagine whatit was.
Yeah. And because I was satisfied with
my imagination, yes, I didn't want them to answer me.
I was like, you know what? I like my version more.
Yeah. So whatever.
Your podcast is irrelevant now because in my world your podcast
is just used. It's just like roasting each
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other. And complaining about how the
world is full of crime when it'slike, oh, the crime is that
Epson doesn't have enough ink. Oh, man, going on about the most
mundane things. Like I was in my brain, I kept
thinking like, what is the most mundane thing that you know you
can claim, complain about? Like for example.
I mean, a Hong Kong complain, easy one that we do every other
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week is the true crime is not being able to access Big House
anymore. Yeah, it's over the true.
Crime is that there are too manypeople liking the thing I like,
yes. Exactly.
The true crime. Is this inconvenient for me?
Yes. The true crime is that my
building security guard that really doesn't have the security
guard anything. The true.
Yes. Yeah.
The true crime is your building security guard.
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Now it doesn't even I say hi. Like I used to kind of ignore
me. Now he actively looks the other
way. Yeah.
Why exactly? That's the true crime.
The true. Crime is that when I get in my
building, the lift is not on theground floor waiting for me.
That's the true crime. I mean, like, I think I'm like,
yeah, that could be. That's the whole episode about
how it's not right. You know, like I pay my building
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management fees. If anything, I have two flats in
this building. The lift would be mine, right?
You know, if anything it should automate default to my floor.
Yes, you can probably do a thingwith your phone since you're
like all the gadgets. Yeah, just like the Bluetooth.
It catches you and then it connects to the, to the, I mean,
yeah. Call button.
I mean, what it should have is we should have like an intercom
Yeah, but it tells you where thelift is right now, right?
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So that way you can time those 3seconds.
Do you want to leave your door yet?
Yeah. Or do you want to, you know,
still stay in the? This is the most Hong Kong idea
you've ever had. Oh, this is.
Dude, it's like, it's like now every now and then when I get
like Uber, taxi and stuff like that, yes.
Like literally I'll be like looking at a thing going like
I'm not gonna go down until it says like, you score 2 minutes
away. Yes.
And then like sometimes you go down, it's like 2 minutes.
And then now stuck in driving, like that's the true crime.
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Yeah. You know, the red light's not
green when I'm there. True.
Crime is wasting my time. Yeah, the true crime is when
that that Taobao pickup place, yeah, up from my place has lunch
hour from 3:00 to 4:00. Oh, no, yeah.
I'm like God damn it dude, that's what the hell.
This is supposed to be Taobao, you know what I mean?
Like. Ignoring the true crime you're
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doing to the environment by ordering from Taobao.
Absolutely, Yeah. Yeah.
But you know, that's just crime.That's a regular crime.
Regular crime. I thought about the true ones.
True. To you.
Oh my God, like actually Netflixjust released a a true crime
documentary on the whole OJ thing.
Oh, so I read, I, I, I watched like they did a show like the
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People versus Oja few years ago.Yeah, yeah.
Where David Schwimmer, who playsRoss on Friends.
Yeah, yeah. Played the the Kardashian lawyer
and all of that. So it was like, it was very
interesting. Obviously I'm not American.
Didn't grow up, were you? Were you there?
When I wasn't, I I heard of the OJ thing, but I was too young to
understand. Same.
Yeah. I mean, obviously you're like
the the glove fits, Then you gotto.
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You got to quit. Yeah, you must quit and all of
that. Yeah, but I mean, like, it's
interesting because like what I know about that is first of all,
it's like this is where the money and fame actually can do a
lot of. Power.
Yeah. And it's like pretty obvious
that when he got when he was like found not guilty, I was
like, oh. Yeah.
Him being black and everything even more so, I was like, whoa.
Well, the historical, yeah, thisis what this documentary does a
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good job on is that they gave the kind of an historical
background of the whole LA riotsand how bad it was with the
police and the black people thateven the black people who knew
he was guilty. Yeah, he still saw him as just
the face of the Black cause at the time.
If they found him guilty, they found him guilty, yeah.
But like they didn't get to the I didn't get to the end of it
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yet. Obviously, spoiler alert, he was
not guilty and and all of that. But then almost everyone did
interviewing in his life who is like even including his agent
and those people back in the day, they're basically all
saying we knew he did it like right away.
Yeah. But also the evidence that the
documentary does like a kind of a cheeky like commentary on
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their own. So they basically show one of
the things is blood on the Bronco on the car and then the
like the show a photo of it and then the documentary commentary
with an asterisk going it wasn'tin, it wasn't taken as evidence.
And then the next thing they show like a very clear, like,
you know, blood trailer, whatever, and goes and the
Asterix goes, you guessed it wasn't taken as evidence.
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So they're doing their own cheeky commentary on the whole
thing. But there is so much.
It's just like failed police work.
Yeah. Yeah, that was that that that
happened. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, it was not. I'm sure, man, I would not be
surprised that they did the morestrategic they're like, yeah,
we're not going to get this guy because it's going to cause that
other stuff. Yes.
And they're probably like, you know, we'll let this one guy go
because we can avoid like 10 other things happening.
That's. That's basically what they were
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all saying that like, yeah, you say this guy's guilty.
Yeah. And LA rights are as are as bad
as they were. It's going to get like 100
times. Oh yeah, absolutely.
You're just going to cause like probably the whole country.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, it's crazy, but.
Well, I hopefully, hopefully that's on one of the three
podcasts. Hopefully they're talking about
that one. Yeah, maybe they're talking
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about the new true crime podcast.
Yeah, I mean, like true crime shows.
Maybe there's an equivalent Uncle OJ Assam.
You know how? Do you say the juice is loose?
The juice. The audience?
OJ is juice. Yeah.
Yeah, the juice. I have no idea what the would be
in candies. It was not so weird.
No, because they used to say that when he was playing
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football. When?
He's like running. Running.
Yeah, yeah. So that's like one of the things
that juice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's bizarre, dude. But yeah, I mean, so, so I think
that tells you a lot of people that actually people in Hong
Kong are still listening to stuff while he's talking into
my. That's good.
Like, good to know that the podcasting in Hong Kong is big
enough to have, like, different,you know, creators.
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Yeah, exactly. Didn't Tim have?
So wait, Tim was. In Cantonese, so Tim was
invited, but he had a show last night.
OK, yeah. So he has his his podcast.
Podcast. Is he the only comedy podcast?
I believe. Produced in Hong Kong.
Or like comedian podcasts. Yeah, I believe so.
Yeah. Because like he does on his own
and it's. It's not as regular as us, Huh?
So he's like a Bill Burr kind ofstyle.
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Kind of, yeah. Does he rant?
Like what does he do on his? It's a bit of ranting, Yeah,
it's more ranting, but like it'snot as regular, hence why it's
like, OK, you know, I think the last one was in January.
I forget now. OK, so he just does it like
occasion? Whenever, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. He's more focused on like the
Instagram Reels and all that stuff.
Yeah, that's good for him. So, yeah, yeah.
So yeah, we're going back to true crime.
There's something and as the kids like to say, trigger
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warning for the next, for the next story because it is, it is
some a real true crime that I'veseen witnessed myself properly,
including someone dying just last week.
So what happened is as the day of this recording, exactly a
week ago, it was a Friday and I had a meeting on in Shanghuang
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at Elephant Grounds. Everyone knows that coffee shop
Big Coffee. Shop.
In the morning and I I take my dog with me and have the meeting
and then the person I had the meeting with their offices in
Shanghua and like really nearby.So hold on, let's set the scene
properly. It's like a morning was like a
overcast morning. Sunny morning, Happy morning.
It was pretty happy, yeah. OK, so you.
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Leave your house with the dog. You know she's walking and you
got the back of it. Yeah, right.
You're walking like, yeah. Important having actually the
person I'm having the meeting with, I'm not going to identify
them, but they are very high up in the, they are also a friend
of mine, but they're also quite high up in the entertainment
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industry. OK, So I was already excited to
catch up with her. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right, so, so you're walking, you're like gonna have
a meeting? Yeah, that could do with high up
people Massacre. Did you have that music playing
in your head while you walked? I I tried but the distance
between my place and elephant grounds so short that actually
the main I only got the hook in and didn't get the chorus.
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Exactly going to be, oh, I'm here here.
Here we go, right? What can we?
Yeah. Exactly.
So you sit on down, you leash upthe dog, and then you're like,
all right, let's get a get a copy.
Well, I was fasting, so I was actually.
That's why. So that person meeting would
have his or her coffee. Yeah.
Had a coffee, a woman, and she had her coffee and we're
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catching up, you know, talk all kinds of stuff, work mostly.
And then eventually was like mid.
So the meeting is at 10:30 AM and eventually it's like 1145 or
whatever. So you still she had in my life
and stuff. Yeah, it was mostly worked, but
it was basically a worked. Yeah, Yeah.
And then 11:45, she needs to go back to her office.
Yeah, which is also in Shanghuang, just on Queens.
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Road so end of meeting was it like something to look forward
to or like we'll get back to youlike.
Yeah. It was one of those things like,
let's let's eat, let's put it inwriting.
I'll go. Yeah.
I'll say something actually happened now.
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. So.
So she gets up, she's like, you know, happy Robin.
And yes. And she walks off.
Well, yeah. Yeah, that was going to be the
plan, except that I barely walked the dog.
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Yeah, so I'm like, I will walk with you a bit so the dog can
get her walking. OK, OK, OK.
That's actually when it's like crazy, like the movies.
That's when like, you know, the butterfly effect because you
really see it in hindsight. Have I not decided to do this?
Yeah, My whole life would be different.
And. In a way it is.
But even though, like at the endof the story, you realize how
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calm I am about it and my friends were like, you should
see somebody because you seem sochill about it, but then, you
know, we're jumping back and forth.
That's also wasn't just my reaction, it was everyone's
reaction. So so you're done with the
meeting at M 45 AM? Yes, with the dog.
I'll, I'll, I'll walk with you because they're going to walk
the dog. Yeah.
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This is like your brain was like, wait a second.
Yeah, we can kill two birds withone stone.
Correct. Walk with it.
It. Was a really bad choice.
Of water all right and then you're walking like.
So we walk through Cat St. Cat Street is very famous.
I actually don't know the story why it's called Cat St. because
the original name is Last Car Upper Last Car.
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Oh, OK, OK, OK. Last car I don't know how to.
Say I'm guessing probably a bunch of cats.
But I think so. But now they don't even have the
cats. The cats are more inside
important. Yeah, Yeah.
But anyway. All the antiques and all that.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
So that street, the famous street with all the antiques,
yes. And of course they have Halfway
Cafe, very popular. Yeah, they now have a really
cool looking tattoo shop. Yeah, yeah.
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Super cool. This is like it looks cool.
I'm not interested at all, but it's like it makes the whole
neighborhood look cool. Anyway.
They also open at crazy hours and stuff.
So my friend slash business person and I and the dog walking
dog, this is our neighborhood. She's off leash.
She's like she knows she where she's going, she's sniffing
around the whole thing. Friend stops.
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There is a spice shop that is quite popular on that street as
well, just down the street, downthe stairs.
So she stops at the spice shop. It's like touristy.
She's from here. She's a local person.
Actually, she's not local. She's half whatever.
Yeah, whatever. Yeah.
So she picks up, but she speaks Cantonese.
She picks up a bunch of spices, takes her time.
And again, it's all like crazy how the timing works.
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Does she do the whole spicy powders?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she got like hibiscus or
something. I'm not sure what you got.
OK, So that did she do the wholelike put the hand in the powder
and like kind of sniff a bit of pad like yes?
Well she was like even though her office is there, she clearly
doesn't pass by all the time because she was like oh it
smells so good. I saw.
I really like this stuff. Also she lives on llama that.
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Doesn't really identify. Her, she lives on Llama, so
she's like doesn't have stuff like this there I guess.
So it's just bought a bunch of stuff and, like, so she does
that again. Dog is like sniffing around.
OK again, to set the scene, it'smidday on Friday.
If you are familiar with the area on a good weather day,
this. I wouldn't say it's packed, but
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it's quite busy. Yes.
And a lot of the vendors there are like old people who open
kind of late. Yeah.
In terms of business and stuff, like you do just start setting
up at 11. Yeah.
So at 12 is like the business islike kind of buzzing.
All the stalls are open. Halfway is already rammed.
That's like Friday. Just forget about it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So busy, like it's spelling over
on the street. So halfway is so full, I bet you
(35:44):
the staff of their are working their brains out.
Go on. That's what that's what we call
in the business. Foreshadowing God.
So yeah. So dog, me and and the lady walk
past halfway. I think we'll make a comment
about how busy it is. Oh, it's so it's got coffee.
(36:04):
Whatever and then we walk past like the next few meters and I
was actually originally going towalk her all the way down to her
office on Queens Rd. Yeah.
So you're going to ladder, Ladder St. you're on the
ladders, I mean the the steps, right?
Yeah, yeah. But we didn't get to the steps.
We just passed Halfway Cafe, andI changed my mind because I
realized actually, the dog, she's off leash and she doesn't
(36:24):
really, really like traffic. Yeah.
So why? And now it's really busy.
Why would I take my friend down?Yeah, that way office when I can
just walk back and, like, have, like, a more quiet dog.
Walk with dog. Yeah.
So I actually decided to say byeto her.
I'm like, hey, you know what? You go ahead to your office.
Yeah. We're just gonna turn back.
And she goes, OK, And we say bye.
(36:45):
And then friend walks away. Dog is just like doing dog
things, just like, you know, being a goofball, sniffing
around and stuff. And before I turn, my friend
walks away. And I was just standing there
because the dog is like, whatever.
So behind me is a street and. And halfway and all of that.
Yeah. So I didn't really turn around
yet, but I heard something fall,like something it's it's loud,
(37:08):
but it's actually the best way Ican describe it to my ears is
basically like a suitcase. Falling.
Oh wow. So it doesn't really sound like
a person. Spoiler alert, It doesn't sound
like what the movies do. Yeah.
Like when they land on, like, a car or whatever.
Crack it. Yeah, Yeah, none of that.
It's really sounds like a suitcase file.
OK, Yeah. So I turn back and I'm seeing
(37:32):
everyone kind of like people arewalking by a little confused.
But then I was fixated on the 1 old lady's reaction.
Yeah. Because whatever fell fell right
next to her stall, it didn't hither.
This is spice doll. No, no, no, no.
It's like one of the one of the artifacts.
Yeah, antique stall. So I'm looking at this old lady,
(37:53):
you know, again, this is all happening literally within like,
you know, few seconds. So I'm looking at this old lady.
I'm like she looks annoyed and confused.
Yeah. And then she keeps looking
behind her stall and then just looking like this, yeah, just
like, Can you believe this shit?Yeah.
So I actually thought the first initial thought was someone
(38:14):
actually threw like trash or whatever.
And she's like, what the actual?Fuck here we.
Go, Yeah, here we go again. So I'm like, OK, that's still
weird. So I walk back like not really
thinking about it. I'm like, OK, whatever something
is, there is, but there's no commotion.
There's just like a little nervousness in the area.
I'm like, what the fuck is goingon?
(38:34):
Again? Dog is awfully, he's just doing
dog things. And I walked like 3 steps and I
see legs. Yeah.
And again, I didn't really thinkmuch of it.
What I what I did think was, oh,that's a drunk foreigner.
Yeah, that's my first thought. Yeah.
It's not even like a regular drunk Hong Kong.
I'm like, that's a drunk foreign.
Line at this time of the day in this area yes probably went to
(38:58):
what's that wine shop in the corner that.
Corks. Corks.
They went there. Just finally had the last cup of
wine. Yeah.
Exactly. Let's go no LA.
Yeah, Gervais me or see, I want.To sleep.
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So that was my first thought. It's all legs.
I'm like oh this lady's so annoyed that there is a drunk
porn. Here we go.
Yeah, here we go again. Whatever.
On the other side of that is allthese people hanging out at
halfway and I'm seeing people can see on the camera.
I'm seeing people instead of facing talking to each other
like this, they just move their chair just like.
(39:54):
So they. Can avoid whatever is behind
them. No, they.
Just look away and look. Away the conversation.
Which to me was also knowing what it was, is an insane
reaction because whoops and thenlike look away but continue.
But but yeah, OK, so you saw legs people started turning
away. I'm I'm thinking like, look,
let's be honest. If let's say you're at a coffee
(40:15):
shop and like literally a drunk foreigner or whatever person
coming from corks yes, just start saying like Javed, don't
be easy and they just lie on thefloor.
I'm turning my chair. Be like you, we.
Yep. Yeah, we, we, we.
Blaze, don't be easy. You know, so if actually in
hindsight, if that was a drunk person, I feel like people would
(40:37):
have reacted. Maybe a couple of good souls
would be like, hey, are you OK to need water?
Yeah. But like, later you learn also,
why did people turn away? Because there was nothing they
can do about it. Yeah, so I go like literally one
more step and I realize this is not a drug person.
That's a very dead person. Whoa.
Very dead. OK.
(40:57):
All right. So the scene is, I'm not going
to be too graphic, you know, I will for many reasons.
You can go ahead. But it's basically clearly a
young woman. You can see just like she's a
young person, not like like now.Later we learn that she's 26.
So like young enough and just fell.
That's all the information we know.
(41:18):
Well, we don't know at this point.
No idea what's happening. We fell as in like streetside
fell or from building fell. From building yeah, yeah,
someone fell from above yeah, yeah.
So very, like, again, I'm not going to be too graphic about
it, just very dead head, massivehead injury to the point that
you're like, there's nothing anyone can do.
(41:39):
Like it's clear that like, this is a dead person.
Look, you know, like when you incomedy, when you have like these
dark moments, yes, the best thing you can do is lighten
things up, Yes. You know what'd be funny?
Go ahead, go ahead. Go ahead.
Get yourself, get yourself in trouble.
I'm just going to react and maybe not.
Laugh if like Someone Like You walks up to her.
Yeah, yeah. And you're like, did it hurt
(42:01):
when you fell from heaven? OK, I guess maybe I'm not her
type. Maybe I'm not her type.
OK, it's very. Good.
It's a funny pick up line. Why don't you just fuck goddamn
women? Fuck.
Every time. Happy goddamn time.
Even when I nailed. It exactly.
(42:23):
Somebody got to say hey, hey, someone must have fucked their
brains out. Oh God, here we go again.
Yeah. You see, you see that from legs,
You see the torso. Yeah.
So she basically looks like looks quote UN quote normal.
If you look from one side, the other sizes were older like the
(42:45):
basically. The head, OK OK so let me get
visual things. So really.
Hell bent on. Dude, I want to I want to see
the picture because I we. Really have to do that.
I'm really going to do it in thedescription of trigger warning
blah blah blah. Because I've only seen like the
green tent, the aftermath when they've covered everything else.
I've never seen it like, you know, when it's actually boom
and like. I haven't seen it either like
that, like during the protests and stuff you see people getting
(43:06):
shot with. Yeah, not.
Just rubber bullets and stuff and people like I've seen a
couple of people take like bullets to the eye.
Yeah, and like that's to the. Eye, yeah, but that was like as
bad. You just see someone's like, you
know, blood, everyone in the face and whatever.
Yeah. And then like the eye is gone,
yeah. And then you're obviously you're
running away for cover and all of that yeah, that's probably as
(43:26):
bad as. Or remember someone fell and had
like a head injury. Yeah.
But again, like they're clearly alive.
Yeah. Yeah.
That was like the worst I've seen.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back then that I've never seen
something like. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but so I go closer. I don't go like, oh, she I just
like walk on my same path. And she was there.
So I didn't actually, I didn't go closer on purpose.
(43:50):
It was just there. And as soon as I knew what it
was, yeah, I turned back. Was she on her back or on her
stomach? On her stomach, yeah.
That sucks. Man, Yeah, really.
Fucking sucks. That's like the belly flop of
the century, yes. Yeah, go on.
Yeah. Go on.
Yeah. So I turned back and the reason
is first of all, I'm like, I need to process the shit.
(44:10):
I'm not going to walk path further.
But also because my dog was off leash, I needed to make sure she
doesn't get close. So I actually knowing my dog,
she needs to follow me. So I kind of almost rushed the
bag the other way. My dog can follow me so I can
pick her up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I didn't actually have her leash.
I think because in our neighborhood sometimes we walk
without leash. So I just like wanted to walk
(44:30):
back so I can pick her up. So I did that like walked all
the way to Derek the the older guy with the with the looks like
Yoda or whatever. Calligraphy guy.
Yeah, yeah. Calligraphy guy walked all the
way back to Derek, picked up thedog and didn't walk back.
And while I was walking back, she was still there.
Surprised. Yeah, she did not go anywhere.
(44:51):
All right. And did you give?
Her the red light like your time's up yeah I.
Got it. The old lady was very annoyed at
that point because she knew her business was fucked basically
for the day. But I, I really like, like, I
thought her reaction was like the initial reaction at least
was very Hong Kong because she doesn't give a shit about the,
the young woman because she's not going there.
(45:13):
Like, Oh my God, she was just going like can.
You believe your shit? But also, Halfway was still
buzz. As I said, people just like,
because Halfway is so popular, people just like, I'm not going
to give up my seat. And this is like they're back by
tourists. And they're like, guy came all
the way down here. I mean, yeah.
Here's one thing that maybe you can help me make sense of, and
(45:33):
that is including the tourists. So something like this back
home, even if the the person is instantly dead, like clearly
dead, no one can do anything about it.
There will be so much commotion and so much screaming and so
much like someone maybe tried tocover the body and someone's
like don't look. And there will be so many people
trying to do different things. This was honestly it sound it
(45:58):
the whole thing looked like it'sas if a suitcase filed like,
Yeah, like there is nobody doinganything.
Yeah. Which to me is kind of
horrifying. Yeah.
How come? In a way, it's civil because no
one is, like, making it worse and like, but in the same time,
it's too eerily fucking quiet. Yeah.
And you see tours coming unsuspectingly, coming that way,
(46:22):
seeing there's a dead person clearly and just going whoops.
And then they pretend to just godown the stairs.
Yeah. Like I stood there for like a
couple of minutes and they're like.
And no one knew what to do. But it was so quiet.
Yeah. That like, to me, that's not
right. Like people not being horrified.
Like there's no like it's a normally actually see this on
fucking scream. Yeah, but no one is doing.
(46:43):
It I bet you anything, everyone I'm going to put money on this.
Everybody probably thinks this is one of those, some shop over
here just to be Instagramable, decided to put this over there,
but I'll get some attention. People come to our shop, you
know, and they're like, what does this place sell?
Yeah, you're right. Actually, they might have
thought this was a stunt. Like this is a realistic.
Yeah, kind of like it's pretty. Cool.
(47:04):
Yeah, You know, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because like in your right mind,you will not think this is.
No, you're right, it's midday onFriday or one of the busiest
tour see streets in Hong Kong. The whole thing doesn't really
make sense. And you're 100% right.
I think people thought maybe it's an art piece.
Yeah. And they, like, didn't want to
get too close. Yeah.
That's like, I don't like this. It looks too realistic or
(47:25):
whatever. I don't know what the fuck it
was. Yeah, you're right.
Because people coming that way wouldn't hear the impact.
Yeah, actually it's just there, OK.
I mean, and obviously in your brain, like there's a fucking
debt, like no one do anything. I guess that must be correct.
Like, yes, probably done on purpose.
Like yeah, yeah, you give that benefit of the doubt.
Like, you know, like go to the like, Oh yeah, dead body.
Oh yeah, you're like, OK, that clearly it was designed to be
(47:47):
put there, so should be OK. Yeah, so I stood there for like
a couple more minutes, just alsolike I I'm a little far now and
just stopped still there, not necessarily to like look what's
happening, but more to like process it.
I didn't want to look away, likewalk away without like I kind of
get an understanding as well. So I stood there a couple more
minutes. The the, I guess what Americans
(48:10):
call first responder. I don't know how you call it
here. Yeah.
The guy on the motorbike, the ambulance motorbike with the
orange vest. Yeah.
Yeah, he comes. Yeah.
So obviously someone called. I did actually try to call, and
I think I forgot I tried 999. Yeah, 999, because I remember
from Chris's joke. Triple. 9.
Somehow it didn't connect. So I actually did 110.
(48:31):
I don't know what that was. And then I did 911.
None of them were. I did try to call earlier what
literally as soon as I knew thisis it.
But then I also saw other peopleon the phone, like someone would
call it in. So the guy with the orange vest
comes and I watch him. This is actually I, I leave like
right after I watch this poor guy because I think he's
supposed to try to help. That's why he's on the motorbike
(48:53):
and he's an ambulance guy. He's supposed to try to help.
He didn't even kneel down because he is just standing
there and his helmet still on his head and watching and he's
like, what the fuck? Like there is nothing I can do.
So I watched that guy look at her for like a full minute and
he's like, I think with his job he has to get too close or
whatever, but he didn't like kneel down.
(49:14):
But I feel so bad for him because he was the closest he
got to who got to the body at that point.
And then, and then I woke up by corks and I'm like, all right,
that's it. Literally by the time I go up,
it was like a full CSI crime scene.
They are already the, the fire trucks have arrived, all the
special units have arrived. And then later I actually go
(49:34):
back out to to go on with my daywithout the dog.
And I've seen them actually do like the whole tent and the
cordon off. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And later when I come back in the evening, that actually
everything is back to normal. Yeah.
A classic Hong Kong fashion. Everything is gone.
And the cleaning truck is there to, like, water hose everything
like power hose with like the. Yeah, yeah.
(49:57):
Jet and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jet.
And also like bleach and all of that stuff.
So to Fast forward, I looked on it on the news for the next
couple of days couldn't find anything to the point of like
what the fuck is this crazy Likewhat the hell.
Until to give closer to everyoneuntil we found I found one
article on dim sum daily and thearticle I'll leave it in the in
(50:21):
the description of the episode the article is from Dim sum
daily says dim sum daily with all this fucking ads 26 year old
woman found dead after falling in Shan Juan and the article
basically says yeah 7th of Marchat around noon today I guess the
wrote it. I found it later.
(50:42):
Law enforcement received reportsof a woman lying unconscious
outside of 171-177 Hollywood Rd.in Shanghuang with suspicion
that she has fallen from a height.
Paramedics arrived on the scene.Confirmed death of 26 year old
woman identified by her surname Han Hon.
Preliminary investigation suggests you fell from a unit in
the building. Authorities did not receive a
suicide note at the scene and the cause of death will be
(51:04):
determined by following an autopsy.
That's it. So I see this, I'm like, OK,
there's no more news until last night, Literally last night at
the day of this recording. I have a friend who actually
lives in that building. Yeah.
So I catch up with a friend a few days ago.
I'm like, hey, did you hear about the woman?
(51:26):
She goes, I didn't hear anything.
So I actually take her to the the spot because people leave
flowers and stuff. I take her to the spot.
She was like, she might have fallen from the from the short
building on the street. That's actually what I thought
happened until. And then I asked that girl to
ask around in her building. She goes, you know, how like
she's Indian and she says, you know, Chinese people, like they
(51:48):
don't like to talk about this stuff.
So I think it's going to be hard.
No one is going to say anything.But then I get a message from
her last night. And that's actually where like
the real true crime. Yeah, I got a message from her
last night. She basically did some digging,
eventually did find some more information.
Here's the message. By the way, I heard the girl, 26
(52:11):
year old local Hong Konger jumped from 16th floor of my
building. But that's actually where she
landed is insane because there is a lot of clearance on that.
Yeah, it's a lot of clear because there is a short
building in the way. Yeah.
So that would be like she literally ran and jumped, like
you don't know. The next message is even more
confusing. And again, don't know if this is
(52:32):
considered spreading rumors or whatever.
This is a podcast. Don't fucking come for us.
Next message was again, this is she said I heard next message
was was having an argument with her boyfriend.
So he maybe, maybe he pushed her, who knows.
Police are checking CCTV. That's it.
(52:53):
God damn dude. Yeah.
That's ridiculous. Man, that is yes, that's that's
so far. That's all we know.
Well. I mean, I guess we can take a
lesson from that. Is that just let your man be
right? Sometimes, yes, exactly.
Be right, dude, Like you will. OK?
Can I go back home now? God damn, dude.
Like you're standing in front ofthe exit.
(53:13):
OK, fine. You know you didn't cheat on me.
Fine, OK. She's a bitch.
She's a friend, yeah. She fell on top, but you're
naked. Great.
OK, fine. You're right.
I'm wrong. Can we get on with life, you
know? That actually also makes sense
now that she's saying is 16th floor given how much damage.
Yeah, because I was also confused about her state, given
(53:33):
that we have all thought, or I guess if you're looking at it,
you would think she's jumped from the small building.
The small building is only 4th floor, but unless you fall
directly on your head, it wouldn't make sense how much
damage that was until you realize it's actually 16th
floor. That makes sense.
That makes a lot more sense because even if you didn't fall
in your head directly, just the impact of the gravity 16th floor
(53:55):
would do that much damage. Crazy.
Happened a week ago if we if we do art.
If you are a hardcore podcast listener, you can connect that
to the very the earlier episode from a few years ago where I
lived in Sympon. Walked down the stairs to walk
my dog and then found blood everywhere right in front of my
(54:16):
building. And turns out a taxi driver was
stabbed at 5:00 AM right by Eastern St. and Queens Road and
bled out in front of my building.
Welcome to my life. Well, there you go, everyone.
Now the moral of the story is, don't be MO's friends.
Yeah, don't. No, no, I highly advise against
(54:36):
it. Don't rent to mow.
I think I will have to go to Manmo temple, yeah, and pray
that juju, bad juju, away with the sage or whatever.
Whatever you have to do. Shout out to my friend Sarah Lao
who few years ago when that happened she actually came to
the house and sage the house. Nice clearly did not help but
good effort Sarah. OK thanks everyone.
(55:00):
This was we're going to put all kinds of trigger warnings on
this, but this was obviously understandably heavy and all the
disclaimers if you are thinking blah blah blah called blah blah
blah and all of these things andyeah find us on social media.
I don't even know how to close this anymore.
Funny. Vivek the other Muhammad
subscribe to Patreon. This one just a teaser.
(55:22):
I will be bitching about people making you might not actually
like this very much, but people like the the people low balling
us in the in the in the private.Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like I'm I'm
kind of done with this. I'm just gonna like, yeah, I'm
just gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna go for it because this is really
annoying, especially when it's like rich clients or whatever.
(55:44):
All right, that's it for us. Thanks everyone.
Join, join us on the Patreon. Bye bye.
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