May 18, 2025 • 50 mins
On our episode #199, dated 11 December 2024, we chatted about our wish wishlist for live shows to see in Hong Kong. Cut to May 2025, and we are sitting together watching one of the shows that was on top of that list, and it did not disappoint.
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So I reiterate here, the bill isdead.
The story of this great city is about the years before this
night. Hey everyone, this is Ho Ho Hong
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Kong with me, Vivek, Mabu Bunny and the other dude.
Who is that? Other dude is here, forgot how
to talk. Yeah, we're recording in the
evening of on on a given day andit's the first time I talk for
the whole day. It is at a time of the abnormal
time ish on a day that is not the normal day ish, yes, of the
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period that is not the normal period and the voice of the not
the normal voices. Yeah.
Right, exactly. We have that out of the.
Way people are listening probably in the beginning of
their week and they're feeling all the energy.
They're like, OK, and I'm like. What's going on?
Yeah, MO's like. Well, it's it's the weekend for
the average or maybe here it's the average Wang, I don't know.
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Or. The average Jenny.
That's the average Jenny. Yeah.
But for us it's it's not. For me it's not.
There is no difference, yeah, between a weekend and a weekday
because it's it's all the same. It's all the same, Yeah.
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, sometimes
Saturday and the fourth Sundays there.
You will remind me that it's like Buddha's birthday.
I'm like, yeah, happy birthday. I don't know what you want.
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You're like I include all days as Buddha's birthday.
I don't wait for that day. I say happy birthday to any
Buddha I see. Sometimes I have a meeting and
then people go like, oh, we're out of town.
I'm like, why? Yeah, like it's the Christmas.
And yeah, like. Yeah, yeah, right.
You should tell me this stuff before you go out of town.
I'm like, what? What?
Yeah, it's, it's, it's hard for,for this like when you're doing
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like you are kind of your own entity, but at the same time
it's almost like you are the product and you are the company.
I am the product, I'm the service.
I'm the issue that people have to deal with.
Yes, exactly. So I'm, I'm a little different
because I'm basically like mostly event production, Yeah,
which means there is like I am the service provider a lot of
the times, not necessarily the product and those are whole.
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Different. Yeah, you're the highway, I in
the car. Yes, correct.
Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah.
So I think even for you, like when there are like issues of
whatever shows or something, Yeah, you can answer it so
quickly because you are the product.
Yeah, right. Yeah, while I sometimes have to
check what's going on, but it still falls on me.
Yeah, right. Like the person will chase you.
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So what's the answer? You're like, I'm waiting for the
other side to get back to me. I don't care about the other
side. It might be all.
I am in front of them, the client or the venue or whatever
I am that's they're dealing withme.
Yes, I am exactly, therefore I am therefore you.
I'm not happy. So just to let everybody know,
as you can see, you probably at this point in pretty much almost
2 minutes into the podcast, you have no idea what Muhammad's
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talking about generally. Now what has happened Apparently
before we recorded Mohammed confessed to me saying he was
like on this new workout routine.
Yes, when he decided now normally, you know, he
exercises. Okay, we, we know that we yeah,
but he never exercises twice as much.
This time he did the Hong Kong efficiency.
He he was probably thinking likewhat what would Vivek do?
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What do you do? Only jogging or what do you
weight lift some weights? If hypothetically, if you are to
exercise for the first time in 20 years, me.
Dude, I go to the gym all the time, man.
You do, dude. You don't know that.
You don't walk around. Indoors.
No, I thought you go to the gym,but I thought you like just go
and like take phone calls and stuff.
Oh. No, no, no, no.
When I'm at the gym, dude, I'm always angry.
Anybody who see me at the gym knows that I'm never smiling.
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I'm always pissed off. Yeah, again, it comes down to
like, I'm either listening to some angry music, yeah, that's,
you know, I'm going to destroy the world, or it's one of those
like, again, motivation stuff where it's like this yelling at
you. Yeah, like, yeah, everyone else
is rubbish. Only you are.
You matter. And I'm like, yeah.
David. Yeah, Oh yeah, dude, his stuff.
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I'm huge, man. And like and like.
And I hear that stuff, guys. Scares the fuck out of.
Me idiot, I love it, dude. I can't get enough of it.
I could. I couldn't read, but I knew
every single day I'm going to work a bit harder and one day
I'll be bad at your level, you know, I'm like, I love.
It like that little dumb shit that Instagram throws at me when
he goes like I have money at home, I have a comfort.
Yeah, he's running, he's running.
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Anyone could come and take over what I'm doing.
But I will show them that when you're still waking up, I'm
finishing my mile. You know, dude, the best thing
is like I go in the gym and I'm like, whatever, I listen to the
tapes and they're always about, you know, like everyone is
trying to out there to get you. Don't let them pull you down.
And like I'm literally at the gym looking at everyone with my
headphones are they have no ideawhat I'm listening to.
And I'm like, fuck these guys, fuck this guy on the squad bar.
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Fuck, fuck you up man, don't. You feel like it's probably like
pitting you too much against everyone else.
They have no idea. They have no idea, but it's good
because like, that way I'm like,I guess so angry who you are.
I'm gonna lift that bar. Fuck you.
And I started lifting weights out of anger.
Yeah, I'm gonna fucking lift this one more time just to show
you that while you're resting, I'm working.
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Stupid, stupid. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I didn't do any of the like, I didn't do it out of any
of this spiteful. Shit, you purely the for health.
Yeah, well, not for health. I do this thing when I just kind
of test my limits to see like how far I can go with something.
Yeah. In general, yeah.
So sometimes whether it's like quitting assert, like quitting
sugar, I'm like, yeah, I love desserts and.
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Yeah, I'll ask for two minutes for that.
Yeah, that's my last SO. Like I think because I grew up
doing Ramadan, yeah. So to me, like the, I really
believe in the idea of like justlike even if you have access to
something and it's so easy that you should just no, I think it's
the boot. I don't know if it's Buddhist.
It's a philosophy of practicing non attachment which I talked
about here. We talked about that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not to attach.
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Yeah, yeah. Not to attach.
I genuinely believe in that. Yeah.
So I think it's cool that, like,either you're not attached to
anything, even if you have access to it, or you just like,
kind of like, push yourself to alimit to see, like, how far you
can go. I think to me it's the same
thing. Yeah.
So, yeah, with the working out, like I've been doing yoga for a
long time and that's like just became part of my routine.
So it's not challenging anymore.I still do it, but it just
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became like brushing your teeth,just you go to yoga, that's it.
So with the working out thing, I've never liked it.
Like I don't like working out. What about it then?
You like the sweating? The fact that you feel like I
picked up the dumbbell, put it back in or.
I think I get bored. I get really bored.
Yeah, I like car. You not intense enough if you
have time to be. Bored.
Yeah, well, that's what I figured.
You're right, you're 100% right.So once I upped the intensity of
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it, I became, yes, I became more, I wouldn't say addictive,
but it became more like, you're right.
Like it became more, you're focused on the task.
Yeah. Then like, oh, I don't know what
to do. Yeah.
I used to go and be like, just look at the ceiling and like,
yeah, whatever. And now I'm like, because I have
a bit more stamina, yeah. Then I can actually be like, OK,
let me lift this thing. Let me get on this machine while
I'm thinking, yeah, of the next thing.
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And it's just, I do like the very basic, like either leg day
or like upper body day and that's it.
I don't like fuck around like too much like STEM.
For me, I don't, I don't know, I'll split my days because I
have no more time to be like today's leg.
I'm like, dude, this is my workout day.
It's the only I don't know what I'm gonna work out again.
Oh yeah, you know, however, you're right.
I one of my workout things is I if I'm able to Daydream, I'm not
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working hard. You're right enough.
Yeah, Yeah. Yeah.
So. Yeah, anyway, so, OK, so.
And then, yeah, I'm not. Attaching to the to the
dumbbells? No, I'm not attaching OK.
No, they're free and I'm free. Yeah, both of us are free.
Sometimes I pick them up. Sometimes I put them down.
You basically you attach yourself to it.
You do your workout and not attach them, you put them down.
That's the idea, right? But then I decided to challenge
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myself even more and join a run club.
Which is tell everyone what a run club is.
Because like, you see, I understand the idea of a club
and running. Yeah, but the need to have a
club of people to run with. Let's understand this concept.
Well, it's, it's more like, I think people do it for the
social thing. Yeah.
Except that like, I am like, I can be very antisocial.
Yeah, in situations where I don't want to talk to people.
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And I make it very clear becauseI'm the only one in the run club
who had his earphones in, which is like.
Doesn't understand this logic behind Muhammad's activities,
right? He joins the community, yeah, of
people who are like, let's do this for the community.
Yeah. He joins them and be like, yeah,
fuck you guys. Yeah, you just want to follow
the guy. Oh, I just.
That's it. So it's more like peer pressure.
You're trying to get them to push, correct?
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I have to run now. That's exactly right.
Wow. And because I would go run with
the dog. But the dog sometimes, first of
all, it's too hot for her now. And sometimes I like because
she's quite independent and she's awfully 100% of the time
now. She is a single lady.
She's a single lady. Yes, she doesn't need you.
She doesn't need me and she doesher own thing.
She's very independent. Yeah, yeah.
Exactly. But sometimes you go to the
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waterfront and we run from like Shanghai, like the Macau ferry
pier. Basically by the time we get to
like the ferries wheel, she's like gassed out because and also
it's annoying for me because I look back and she's like
sniffing around, she's pissing with something.
So it's like it breaks up to momentum too much I.
Think I think honestly, if I if I had adult, it's like yours and
you know she was trying to do her own thing yeah and when I
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see a gas start, I will go up toher and just do like push ups
just to piss her up. That's right.
Or you couldn't handle it, couldyou?
You were all like I don't need you.
I don't need this shit. I can do my own thing and now
look at you. You're like, look at you.
Shut the fuck up and also. People stop sometimes or like
play with her. I'm like, we're running.
Yeah, yeah. And if because it's very
sensitive to noise, so if somebody like dropped something
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or whatever, she actually she almost tripped me a couple of
times. Because she just run in front of
me. She.
Stopped or run in front of me and almost fell.
I'm like, OK, that's not that's it.
No more dog. Yeah.
Exactly, Yeah. So now as I said, but I don't
have the discipline and I think This is why I do the whole non
attachment thing or whatever because if it's up to me, I just
want to sit at home all day. I don't want to work, I don't
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want to work out. Yeah, I don't want to eat.
Like honestly dude, like I am sofucking not like like a
comfortable environment is not good for me.
Dude This is why you need to puton headphones and check out
those motivation tapes. David Goggins going to say be
comfortable being uncomfortable.Yeah, well, I accept that.
I don't need some guy to yell atme.
I need to yell at me. So why?
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Do I have? My own David Carter.
You listen to the tape, yeah. And then have a mic recording
it, and then you play that recording back to yourself.
It's the exact same thing they're saying.
But see you telling yourself, yeah, it's mostly you life hack
that shit out. Whereas like Muhammad's telling
Muhammad and you're like, it's all meta, but you're running.
And then this is like a past Muhammad and like, fuck you,
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man. You know what?
Every time you don't run, I get to all that shit.
And do it like when we have likea a good month of work or
whatever, whatever. Yeah.
And then like there is like, youknow, company made some money
and I can finally pay myself theones out of six months every
year. Yeah.
Like, literally my first inclination is to go to Big
House and buy 24. Like, I'm not even joking.
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Yeah, but to the extreme. Yeah.
Which is so fucking stupid because I'm like, if I do that,
they're just diabetes. Like yes, it's so bad.
But it's fairly the whole self reward thing.
This is the one thing with adults is that adulthood you can
technically reward yourself whenever, right?
Yes and no, man. Let me say for anybody, I bet
everybody who listen to this hasat some point be like, I deserve
this. Yeah.
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And let's be honest, you don't deserve it.
No, you don't. Yeah, because like David Gaga
said, be good. Well, I also push myself again
to the to the extreme of aside from the running and the
workout, I also had to get out of the house to get work done.
Yeah, but like, it's so stupid to like go to a coffee shop and
everything. So I actually this is where you
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will judge me and I know that. Here we go.
Yes, let's do this. This is I know this is extreme.
Let me guess. OK.
Yeah, you can. Guess here we go.
This is so you're saying that you don't stay at home to work,
right? Because.
You get, no, I can't. I get too distracted.
It's too nice and too comfort. And there's Netflix and dog and
snacks. Yeah.
So I'm like, this is bullshit. I'm just leaving.
But you don't do the coffee shop.
No, I, I, I was going to the coffee shops like for a few
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times I'm like, it's not working.
Yeah, yeah, because I'm also like, I think it's the whole
thing. I'm not pressured enough to
like. Yeah, you're like the cafe
working. Yeah.
So what? Yeah, exactly.
Guess where I could work? I could work.
Or what motivates me to really like oh shit now I really need
to work? All right, I'm guessing you take
the MTR and you'll get yourself from, let's say, saying poon all
the way to Taiwan. And when you hit the end, you
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have to get up. So you're like, I got to finish
this e-mail, but I'd like to go to the, I go to the, the the
depot. Man, no, because you're
forgetting a part where I'm alsolazy.
It's. I don't want to go too far.
No, but like, you get out, you have to walk down the wait.
No, that shame. Yeah.
So you show 1 all the way channel, that's 27 minutes.
No, that's too. Far, actually.
But you don't move, you sit on the train.
I know, but and you walk into the train and sitting with
that's so I'm going to make it easier for you.
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It's something within literal walking distance from the.
Garden area right outside your house.
Yeah, well, I would cool beans. Cool beans, you got a cool
beans. It's not.
It's too fun and. Fun.
Yeah, it's near your house. You go away at work.
I think, OK, I'm going to make it easier for you.
I I had to give myself immense financial pressure to actually
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be like, oh, I have to make thisworth it.
Oh you got a Co working space? Yes, but are you serious?
Extreme. Not even a regular Co working
space. You owe one of those like
private office. Spaces what?
What did I get? I'm guessing it was one of those
those you don't have the privaterooms.
No, not not that. But this kind of thing?
A mix of all of this, but like for fancy people that it
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shouldn't be there for. Wait, you, you rented another?
You rented an office space. No, I joined Soho House.
I joined. Oh my for.
Legitimately, to be like, this is too expensive.
I got to do something. I'm going to go there every day.
Fair enough. Yeah, that.
Works. Do it.
It works like fucking magic. Yeah, because I'm too.
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And it's like definitely not forpeople like high level of
income. Yeah, because it's unstable for
me. Yeah, it's like, it's not, but I
joined it legitimately for the pressure of like, I'm paying too
much money for this. Dude, I.
Have to go every single day. Whatever you're paying them,
Yeah, I'll try just $10 less to come into this room every day to
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fucking work. Yeah, but you can't.
That's the thing. You can't get me to work.
No one can. Only I can get me to work.
Yeah, but then you're paying thesame, You're paying a little bit
less than that one. It still hurts.
But are you gonna like, beat me to work?
I have speakers in this room. Can you be like you got to be?
Incredible to me. But that's the funny part.
It's like Crystal House is also nice, but like I can go there
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and fuck around because it's like whatever.
Yeah, because you have a peer pressure of seeing people like
these guys are. Legit, not just that.
Honestly, the only pressure I have now is how expensive it is
that I have to make it worth it.For me, yeah, fair enough.
That's it. So you can use the gym and get
your clothes washed there as. Well, I can.
I don't know about the clothes. I did.
I should ask about this, people say.
That, yeah, you can get. It I should ask SO House members
right in. I have to remember.
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There, I mean I go to the gym there and but I didn't know but
I will ask. You know what you should do?
I I here's another thing you cando is that try to notice the
times when people are having allthose fancy meetings.
Yeah, Right. And go at that time.
Yeah. Then just being around people
who seem like they're getting shit done.
Yeah. Like, man, I got to get
something done, man. The funny part is that there is
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a lot of rules that I did like the little induction thing for
the new members. Yeah, you're not supposed to
like the the working spaces are mostly the two top floors, 27
and 29, and the 27 is mostly where people work during the
day. You are not supposed to take
phone calls at all. So you actually have to, yeah,
you have to like go into like the little room thing.
Like there is like a little private room, private room to
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take a call. So in a way they want people to
hang out, but they also don't want it to be like a Co working
space where everyone was like a lot of.
Recreation clubs do that where they're like, we don't want
people, so tell me John was like, shut up, dude.
So the one of the cutest things and shout out to my buddy
Crystal Tolani, who I ride the minibus.
We mentioned her a couple of weeks ago.
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As soon as I joined, I looked inthe app and I realized she's a
member and then we connected. I'm like, oh, where are you?
So I just went and found her desk table thing and now she's
like my work buddy. Oh, nice.
Which is really good because again, I need like this other
like more. Yeah, yeah, more pressure to be
like, hey, what are you doing? Are you not at work?
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Are you scrolling on your phone
for two hours? So now, Yeah, Now I have a work
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buddy as well. It's super.
Bizarre for a guy that Ramadan. Yeah, you have terrible
discipline. Yes, no, no, I don't get this.
It's not good. Like I could if I need to force
my like, I can't do it with the sugar.
Yeah, but give me like work. I'm like dude, I'm not going
nowhere till this is done. Yeah, well.
Wow, this is interesting. Yeah, yeah.
Never thought of that with it, do you?
I think I, I, you know, the more, the more I think of it and
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the older I get to whatever, themore I read, I realized, and
this is completely self self diagnose diagnosy.
Yeah. It's I think it's a level of
ADHD that I can really, if I'm not really into something, it's
almost impossible to get. Into everyone, dude.
Yeah, that's everyone. Yeah, but like, as opposed to
most people, sometimes you're like, oh, I'm going to tell my
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boss that or whatever, whatever.I'm like, I don't have that
pressure right. Yeah, but I mean, like, you OK.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
So the lack of interest because you're not interested in that
thing. I think that's everyone number
one. However, yeah, I guess the idea
of like, I just don't give a shit at all.
Yeah. Regardless of consequences, yes.
I don't think that's ADHD. That's just a Dick, Dick.
A Dick, yeah, no, it's not like I don't get like honestly, when
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it's other people's stuff, I care more.
But for here's a real, current real life example.
Like we're recording in like middle of May and I have my
actual Hong Kong visa like renewal in two weeks.
I'm almost done. It's like whatever, whatever.
So a bunch of notes that a bunchof documents that I I did a few
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years in a row. So I know it, but there is one
particular letter that I'm just like, I hate doing and I can't
just copy paste the thing from the last couple of years or
whatever. I have to rewrite it.
It's basically like a business plan for the next three years.
I have to be really detailed. Yeah.
And I just don't wanna do it. And it's like, I really don't
wanna do it and it's very difficult.
(17:55):
Yeah, but it's like a lot of people, they, they have to get
that deadline, you know, to pushthem.
So my deadline is in two weeks, but I.
Do like in 10 days. Maybe, Yeah, yeah, I just like
and I have other, that's the thing, like there's other tasks
that come in new tasks are not as urgent.
Yeah, yeah, but they're more enjoyable.
You vacuum your floor first and all that shit.
Yeah, yeah, but no. So now that's why I had to get
the fuck out of the house. I don't do that because I have
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like 15 plants. Yeah.
And the whole day instead of doing the one letter I'm
actually looking at my plants, looking up like oh this leaf is
like getting all crinkling. Yeah what the fuck is going on?
2 hours later I'm on Reddit slash house plans.
Well, I get the people. Well in case anyone has the same
problem as you I just let you know Tabo is having their 618
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discount. Oh fuck so good for me to go
there and waste another 4 hours buying shit you didn't know you
need it dude. I, I that happens to me,
however, I maybe through discipline, whatever, I have no
idea. But I once I get into the rabbit
hole, yeah, I will lose my shit.Yeah, OK.
However, it's very rare I'll allow myself to go to the rabbit
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hole for something that I don't think is going to have any
productive value because I know I'm like, yeah, I'm, I, I, I,
you. Clearly haven't been on
subreddit of house plants because it's very enjoyable.
Let me tell you man, regardless of how little information.
You get. I get it man.
Now. People fight all the time
because there is just like that culture of shaming of like,
yeah, yeah, basically every problem is you just need to stop
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watering your plant. That's.
Yeah, yeah, it's overwatered. You relax.
Water every time, so fuck you. But you're like, no, maybe just
one more thing will tell me something.
It's a new. Like Nope, it's over watering
dude. Everybody's just over watering.
Yeah, just relax, man. You know, you're trying too hard
now. Yeah, yeah, I'll be honest with
you, man. I get, I do the same thing, like
I say when I look at gadgets or whatever I want, I'm interested
in buying, let's just say like acamera lens, right?
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I'll go on YouTube and I have towatch every single review
everyone, until I search the whole the word, I can't find
anything about it. Then I'm like, OK, I think I can
convince that I should get that,you know, So I know what you
mean. However, maybe I've designed my
life or like, somehow structuredin a way where I've avoided or
not had to deal with things I desperately hate.
Yeah, except if it's like, let'ssay typical admin shit, right?
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You can't get away with that, right?
Yeah, I get to reply this e-mail.
No, you're right. I mean, I'm the same that like I
don't like, of course I'm in this business myself as well as
I'm like, I don't want to do anything like I hate.
Yeah, and I don't do it like I don't have that for the most
part. Same like you, which is why
we're doing what we do. But there are some admin parts,
I think, between you and me. The difference is that like you
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are very much like go, go, go. Yeah, because of your own.
Exactly. And to me, I'm like, I just hate
this. Like I really hate.
It oh, dude, like I put it this way, I've, I've developed this
mentality of like what I call like the gun to the head
mentality where I'm like, I either do it now or I'm going to
get screwed because I know Tsunami is going to hit me next
in the next hour with some urgent matter that all of a
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sudden I'm like, Oh my God, I got to deal with this now I'm
screwed. So like, it's, it's a good thing
where like I have this strong discipline.
I'm getting it done now. I don't care.
I'm not sleeping so dumb. The bad thing is that when even
if I know next morning, I'm, I'mopen.
Yeah, I can go sleep. I got traces first.
It's like, dude, you can do it tomorrow.
You have nothing happening. But I don't.
OK? No, something's gonna happen.
That's the difference because sometimes, yeah, we would record
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and you need to do the thing theadding the intro outro and you
send it to me at like 3:00 AM. Yeah.
And we had already talked and I know the next day you don't have
anything. I'm like, why are you doing it?
Now I'm like, I can't, I guess tomorrow's my computer's gonna
crash or I'm gonna lose this data or.
I mean, that's that's more productive, I think, but it's
also not good for your health. I guess so, yeah, it's one of
those things where, you know, like how you have those athletes
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and stuff where they really go like let's say the MMA fighters
where they'll break their arm towin.
Yes, yes. I believe like I have the same
mentality from an emotional point of view or mental point of
view. Physically, I'm not breaking
shit for that. But mentally I'll be like, dude,
I will break my brain if I need to.
Yeah, true. To get that thing done.
I mean, it's very interesting like, and I wish more people who
are like self-employed or like maybe owners of like SM ES yeah
(21:52):
would get in touch or talk to usabout how they handle it because
there is a few things like you, we talked about this before.
You don't you have no intention to hiring people.
No, you just exactly just I, I do because I think it's again
like part of and I started reading about it as well.
Delegation is the key, I'll admit that.
Delegation. Every book tells me that Do you
can't expand with your Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So what I have developed is my goal is no longer humans is as
long as it's like it can be AI, it could be software.
I will not, I do not. I prefer not to hire a human.
So I'd rather until when AI getsgood enough where it's like
pretty much human. I'm like, I trust you because
you know what difference is? AI runs on electricity, not
emotions. Okay, there's no like, I don't
want to tell you this. Like what?
Yeah. What?
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Yeah. Well, you have, you are not
watching the AI like robots going rogue videos that are
coming out of China every month.Now.
There is one with like like I think they had like a safety
harness on it. Otherwise, it was just like
trying to beat the shit out of the engineers.
Yeah. It's so fucking scary.
And he was like going around. It's trying to turn it off.
But The thing is metal. So it's just like, it's like it
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hits him in the head. It's game over.
It's it's yeah, it's yeah. I don't want to be like that guy
of like, oh. Let me clarify the I meant
software, none of the hardware. Shit man, I'll pick that fling
myself. You tell me what to pick up,
I'll pick it up myself. Thank you.
Yeah, I mean, it's only a matterof time if that robot is going
rogue or whatever. The software can also go rogue
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right? Like it can be like oh I changed
all your passwords haha. Yeah, yeah.
And then that's it. Yeah, that that could happen.
I mean, I guess if that day doescome, hopefully you'll be in
like 30 years time, Yes. And by that time, I'll be with
that Joe son. You bitch, you messed up.
Yeah, we'll see, man. I mean, honestly, at the end of
the day, dude, you can't win. So.
No, you can't win. I think it's moving too fast,
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but going back speak of moving too fast.
So going back to my, my, my crazy, the reason you mentioned
all of this is like the whole workout slash running thing.
Yeah, which I got myself into because I need to.
Yeah, like basically. Also I have this problem.
Yeah, what's the objective here?Well, the objective is that I
have too much energy at night and not every night is a show
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you. Know why you have too much
energy at night? Because I used to work in call
centers. That number one and #2 you're
fucking checking subreddits during the day.
Yes, that energy is not being used.
Properly, man, it's not. Dude, by the night time man, I
just crash into my pillow. I was like, dude, like.
I I mean, yeah, I should just exactly.
I should have more things duringthe day that like keeps me
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physically like moving. I think what you should do I'm.
Just working admin like it's allof it is almost admin at this
point. Meetings.
Admin calls. Yeah, by 12 hours, just 12 AM
12:00 PM. Is that working day or what are
you? Saying whatever.
So you think you're actually 12:00 AM, but it's actually
12:00 PM in the afternoon Monday, but you put your class
at 12 AM and maybe psychologist subconsciously you guys like
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it's tired to work. Yeah, it's no, I wake up early.
That's the thing. I wake up early regardless.
So that's why I'm like, I need to change this whole system.
So I wake up early and then, youknow, it takes like an hour to
like drink coffee and walk the dog and have like light
breakfast or whatever. So by the time I actually start
working, it's like 10:30, right?Yeah.
So and now I just like walk thiswhole house.
So that's like a lot of like time.
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It's. I mean, like what you do now is
one of those things where they trigger your brain like this
environment. Like it's work mode.
Exactly. Yeah, it's work mode.
That's a very big difference. I mean, the downside aside from
it being expensive for me, don'tcome for me, it's expensive for,
but it's like for other like people who are working there.
You're right. You're seeing people who are
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like, Oh, those are like young professionals doing.
I can't be sitting here doing nothing even though I can't like
look at what they're doing. I think it's also funny because
maybe if we zoom out, everyone is just like playing like
looking at them for sure lookingat each other also looking at
like Instagram and shit, Everyone's like, oh, look at me.
I have a. Suit yeah we we doing more yeah
(25:45):
yeah I can imagine that I'll putit this way is like it's also
one of my things where I'm a firm believer when I go to the
gym I'm I want to go to like let's say I go to people know
that right they'll see me over there and like I will try my
best to go to let's say the one in Kinwick because I feel that
people over there during the daytime yeah they're clearly
self-employed they're not working at 4:00 in the afternoon
they're working in an office butlike they're the type of like
I'm here for my workout shut thefuck up let's get over their
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lives right and that's what I appreciate the most because like
when people see me that's just aquick hi OK cool get on with it
I got stuff to do I'm like perfect yes and I think you're
right the environment definitelythat makes a difference and also
that trigger thing where you're like I'm here now so I got to
get. I'm here now and I was also
thinking about it. There's something, I guess I was
trying to write a joke about it.There's something really funny
about our parents generation, how they had to go to the office
(26:30):
like the everyone. Like there's no work from home
in the fucking 70s so they have to go to the office.
Of all the housewives are like fuck you away from home.
Yes, exactly. And so they're, yeah, they're
doing homework. Yeah.
Yeah, so you know, whatever, they went to office and then
just literally over the last like 4-5 years, the work from
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whole culture had become so big,yeah, because of COVID blah,
blah. And then at least for me
personally, and maybe people like who are in the same
mentality went, no, you actuallyneed to leave the house.
Yeah. So actually the whole idea was
going to the office is the rightthing.
Yeah, you have to leave the house even though it's so
comfortable or so like appealingto be like, oh, I can work from
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home and good. It's like, no, but like, you
need that separation. And now having done both sides
for almost equal amount of years, like ideally you want to
get out of the house but still not work for people or not do
something you don't want to do, which is where I am now.
Yeah. So it's almost the most ideal
situation. Like I'm getting out of the
house, but I'm doing something that I'm enjoying.
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Yeah, right. As opposed to getting out of the
house and going to a job. You don't care about, right?
Yeah, yeah. But the part of like, oh, I can
do this for myself and work fromhome, you need to be a different
kind of beast, which is, I mean,what you are I.
Think so basically the work fromhome thing, if you really want
to dig deep, I did a lot of study and research before where,
how do you kind of get into workmode, right.
(27:54):
So there's many ways #1 when I in my, in the previous place, my
bedroom was my office, yeah. So what I'd have to do is I'd
have certain light setups. So then the light is only
shining on my desk and I can't really see the bed technically.
And then the room's kind of dull.
So I think the desk is the only thing that exists.
Yes. And I would never lay on my bed
to, you know, think about work. It would be only resting, Yeah.
And it's one of those things where, yeah, you build it enough
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where like a moment your body goes onto this chair and gets to
this computer. Like OK this is work.
This is work. Yeah, so it's weird for me
because like now a lot of times what I find is that once I sit
on that chair, my stress level goes up because this is work
even when I'm you're. Supposed to be stressed at work,
yeah? You're like, I'm going to work
more now, let's get to work. So then I had to start thinking
about, OK, I don't want to have the stress level when I'm trying
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to write comedy and everything. So I've got to think about a
different desk or different kindof setup and everything.
So yeah, if you really want to do the work from home thing, the
best thing you can do is to havethe same room if you need to, if
that's all you got, and use lighting or some sort of
environmental change, whether it's like a different table or a
different chair or a different wallpaper, whatever you need to
do, man. And that's why now in this
place, I'll be sure I have the little quote UN quote separate
office, which actually is now like the place I spend 90% of my
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time in the house. And it's stressful every time I
walk into my car. I just, it's a ton.
Your setup is also quite intense, right?
Because you have like a, you know the screen and the and the.
The hood and all that stuff, yeah, yeah.
So what for me, this is the problem is that as a person from
a designer background and havingdone all that research about,
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you know, how to calibrate your monitor and everything, even
though I'm not a professional photographer, nor do my photos
have to be color calibrated. Yeah.
Or color accurate. I'm like, no, I want to make
sure my color is accurate. Sure.
Like, dude, nobody's giving a shit.
I'm like, we don't want that poster comes out.
Yeah, I want that skin tone to be correct.
Of course, Like nobody gives it the goose off.
Well. You give a shit that's.
The. Thing.
But that's a cool thing. You're holding yourself to a
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certain standard. Oh yeah man, that's my double
edged sword. Where like, oh, you think this
guy is? No, I'm not.
I don't care what you think. Yes, yeah, doing it for me.
You're like, those chicks are like, I'm wearing this for me.
I don't care what you are. Yeah, exactly.
This is all about me. The only person I'm trying to
compete with is myself. Right.
But it's true. It's one of the weird things
where I've developed it to a point now where literally the
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whole thing can go on. Like for example, just my
Australia tour and that poster man, like that poster itself,
like the resolution this is thatI was like, I need a precisely
perfect, the lighting's everything.
And I'm like. But it is cool because we need
more people like yourself and atleast in our industry, because
especially in the scene here in Hong Kong, there is a lot of
amateur hour. It's not necessarily because we
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are amazing. It's because a lot of people are
doing it for fun. Yeah, Even if they are
pretending that they're like, oh, I'm going to take it to a
nice level. But you're not, though, because
you're not doing a lot of the work that shows that you're
actually dedicated to this. You're not showing up to open
mics, for example. You're not writing new material,
blah, blah, blah, stuff like this.
So we need people like you are like, Oh, no, this is this is
(30:51):
the standard. Yeah, the standard.
Like we all know if Vivek is doing his own show.
Yeah, like it's going to be a certain.
Way it has to be there it has tobe yeah, exactly.
Or something's all right you're like there's some someone fucked
up man it's not him yeah yeah, yeah.
That's. I think The thing is that when
you are at that level, you enterinto a world where if you
sustain it long enough, people start noticing it.
And then what happens, as you just said, is that they know
(31:13):
that this equals that. Yes.
And so then there's there's a level of assurance with like I,
you know, if he's DMC, we're gonna have good time.
It's cool. Yeah.
Right. However, at the same time, there
have been times when people see it, they're like, did someone
fuck up? And like, I'm not here to, I'm
not gonna, you know, I'm not theone.
Well, it's a problem because, yeah, the audience, the show,
that the scene is not mature enough to understand that you
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doing a spot, Yeah, doesn't meanyou're producing the show.
It's nothing to do with me it. Has nothing to do with you.
Yeah, yes, but sometimes you would see you on a shitty show
and be like. These gigs, you know, Oh.
Shit, yeah. Is that the Vivek guy?
That everyone. 'S talking about, yeah.
Yeah, that's it. Like why is the spotlight like
on his? Yeah, the back of his head.
That's. Weird, I guess that's what he
does. I mean, maybe I mishear, I don't
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know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaking of spotlight in the back of your head, people, let
me just tell you something. I have seen something in my lap
that I think I'll never Unsee. An experience I've had where I
think if I could do it again, I would pay twice as much to go
experience it. Oh, yeah.
It's something that I feel like I am so grateful that I went and
I and. And with no hesitation, forced
everyone around me like you weregoing.
I don't give a. Shit.
Well, that actually started on the podcast.
(32:15):
Did you know that? Like the whole idea of going
there to sell? Yeah.
Oh, really? Yeah.
It's not in the podcast. Do it a few months ago.
Yeah, we saw. We're doing it.
Yeah. No, we.
Actually said we had an episode when we talked about our dream
shows or whatever, and that was before it was yes, really dude,
I was telling you or your mom the other day that like I think
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we manifested it into existence.Oh, there you go.
There is an episode when we cut this, we can cut back to that.
Episode, we figure it out. Somebody in turn do the
research. I'm not doing it.
Yeah. Yeah, no, we said like, it was
like maybe February or whatever.Yeah.
And we have an episode that goeslike, what are our dream list
of, like live shows and stuff like this in Hong Kong?
Yeah, possible. And we actually said Hans
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Zimmer. We.
Specifically, said Hans Zimmer. And both of us agreed, like, oh
shit, that'll be epic. And I think we might have even
mentioned like our favorite songs and like Pirates of the
Caribbean and this and that. And then what happens is that
someone from the podcast group actually go listens to the
episode Go. They just went on sale.
Yeah, cuz no, no, I remember seeing a poster of Hans Zimmer
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live in Hong Kong on Elgin St. walking up home and I'm like,
what? And that was a few days before
it goes on sale. Cuz I remember the end of
February that went on sale. Yes, yes.
And I remember thinking about that and you probably told me,
yeah, it's going on sale. This place, this is legit.
This is really happening. So in case you're thinking like,
wait, are these referring to Hans Zimmer?
Yes, Hans Zimmer Live. If you saw it, congratulations
my friend. You have experienced something
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that I believe you will rememberthe rest of your life.
If you missed that show, he's doing shows in the rest of Go to
China and everything. I would literally recommend
trying to reroute your work to go to that's in Shanghai and
watch that show. Let me tell you, I've seen many
live shows. I've seen Metallica live, I've
seen different bands live, I've seen Broadway.
I went to New York. I've seen stuff like Back to the
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Future, which I said was fantastic when I was in London
watching that show. Yep.
And I watched Hans Zimmer live and let me just say as a person
who listens a lot of music, doeslisten to his music as well.
Not specifically only Interstellar and stuff like
that, but man, the whole show, production, the the quality of
just the light design. Let me say as a person who does
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know how to appreciate good quality lighting, yeah.
Oh man, I was like losing my shit.
I'm like, dude, this is another level.
Oh my God. There were so many things that
you're like, it's actually all the same kind of big.
I I don't pretend that these episodes have a bigger point,
but I think we're kind of like the bigger theme of the
episodes, like work, like discipline and like, you know
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how to like, like people qualitycontrol yourself and stuff like
this. And that's a perfect example of
how much you can perfect something that anyone watching
it, you're like that attention to detail and how nobody is
dropping the ball, dude. Nobody is like, oh, I can just
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do it this. Way.
Oh, yeah, that's what he did. Yeah, yeah, that's the gimmicks.
Like, dude, no. Oh my God.
And I want to also remind you that this is it's so funny.
I mean, it makes sense that you're forgetting.
Obviously we do a lot of things,yes.
And we do this every week. And this is episode 200.
Fucking sure, whatever. Yes, so many things.
So I looked quickly on the podcast, this group.
Yes, so I did. I posted the episode as we do
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like with the podcast group likethe little thing with the links.
The date is December 2024. Eleven.
Wow. Okay, okay, okay.
So we actually have an episode, episode 199 for you guys.
You can go back and the title ofthe episode is Hong Kong Live
Shows Wish List. Wow.
And my little synopsis thing, itsays as a brand new KITAC
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Stadium open, we share our wish list for 2025.
For 2025. It was like good, yeah, that's
insane. So and then Rahul, who's a good
friend of the podcast, he actually said, and we talked
about this right before, before recording.
Yeah. And he actually said, no, they
might have done a smaller show. There is actually a photo from
Rahul. He responded immediately going,
(36:16):
hey, guys, Hans Zimmer to came to Hong Kong in 2019.
It was amazing. Yeah.
When he did The Dark Knight Live, it was incredible.
And there's a photo. But this is you're right.
Also, this feels kind of small. Way smaller man.
Yeah, so this was from Rahul. So he did come 2019.
It actually confirms my other friend.
I was telling you it might have been Cassie responded.
I was going to say, I swear he came to Hong Kong, not sure when
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because I moved in 2019. You also don't remember.
So and I said, oh, no, I missed it.
And that was again, December, yeah. 20 December 2024.
Yeah, cut to I was just looking at the group on like what we
said when we said Hans Zimmer. Yeah.
So and then they go in February as soon as it goes on sale,
they're like, Oh my God, it's onsale.
(36:59):
And I immediately went, I'm so going to buy a ticket.
Oh my God, day one dude, I the night before I was talking to
you. I'm like alright, I'm getting
this price tickets. I go yes, I will go with
whatever. Right.
Yeah. Also knowing me, I don't, I am
not particularly someone who goes like, Oh yeah, just buy
whatever ticket. I always be like, ah, can we sit
like a little far, save money. But for this one, I'm like no,
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no, no, we will do the right way.
So I literally when I was buyingthe tickets, one thing I knew I
was like, I am going to sit obviously front row.
I was a guy that's kind of no, if I was buying things by
myself, screw you guys, I would go all in, right?
But I wasn't I was buying for other people like ah, fine,
yeah. And so I made sure we.
Were well, you're also because you're buying for your
girlfriend and your mom. But yeah, yeah, that's three
(37:41):
people I'm buying for me. Yeah.
So yeah, she technically go nutsand you go I can.
But that's also I want to sit with you.
Guys, you know, fair enough. So, but I made sure I was like,
I did my homework. I studied.
I was like, OK, this this zone is this.
I was like, where is the sound people?
Yeah, where is that mixer person?
Because like wherever they are, they are definitely hearing the
best sound in the room. Of course.
Right. So I was like, wherever they
are, I'm going to be right next to them.
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Yeah, when I share that on the podcast group, actually people
go like, oh, we didn't know. It's like an insider tip thing.
And I'm like, I thought it's common knowledge, but it's not
for people who are not, I guess.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, fair enough. You would assume that.
I mean, if it's in front better.I mean, in front is not bad.
No. Yeah.
But I'm like, obviously the sound people, they're not going
to take the front space because,like, that's expensive tickets,
right? Yeah, Yeah.
(38:21):
But the fact that they're OK with standing in that position
to hear the room. Yeah, the sound.
And so I'm like, that means it must be of some level to give
them an idea of what quality it is.
I'm like, I am making sure, yeah, you're right next to them
and like bam, force tickets and.The whole team is next to us and
actually I was looking at them, most of them don't even have
headphones on. You have to listen exactly,
which means literally this is the best sound the.
(38:43):
Best sound yeah you know yeah. However, the best thing is that
I'm sure they've done it so manytimes that half of it is pre
programmed anyway. Of course they're not live
mixing everything 100%, I'm sureno, no, but still enough to like
make small just for all this person playing a bit harder
today. I better slow it down over there
yeah, but yeah. I was like God damn dude.
This is like man, I would go back twice to watch this two
more times. One more time to get the best
(39:04):
God damn ticket possible. Yeah, yeah.
You actually want to sit in the front?
I'm just I. Want to get my mind blown Yeah,
yeah, yeah, like let me be like,wow, my God, right.
And then the last one is to sit wherever I get the best view of
that mixer in front of his panel.
Yeah, I just want to watch him and like, dude, don't worry
about me, man. Got.
To me, recording an episode withsomebody, I'm like, yeah, after
like 45 minutes I'm like, it didnot record.
(39:25):
Exactly, exactly. This is what I deal with every
day, man, you know, So it'll be a good contrast for me.
Yes, but like yeah, the whole also the the concert is very
long. It's almost 3 hours long.
We're like 20 minutes in the break in the middle.
Yeah. But like they do a lot of yeah
like mixes, like medleys of, of their yeah of their songs.
So it's not like 1. Song.
(39:46):
Yeah. Yeah, one song they.
Did I think Inception that time was the longest, The full one,
but that's a short one. Any was a minute or something.
Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
And I think Interstellar did like the full one as well.
The Interstellar song, they did the full one as well.
Yes and the for the James Bond, they did like maybe 3 or 4 songs
like a mixing in and out. Yeah, the the main theme
obviously, yeah, yeah. But it's like it's one of these
things like you can obviously listen to all of them on.
(40:08):
On Spotify or whatever, yeah. But like, it's so fucking
incredible to see live. The coordinate.
Also, this is a full orchestra where is like 20 people.
Yeah, it's insane. Like they had all of them.
Like these are not just like, oh, whoever's available, come
down like they were the ones, yeah, who did it.
And I was like, shit, this is sogood.
Yeah. And then the guy who helped him
(40:29):
wrote with him, The Lion King one, The Lion King 1 is so cool
because he said like, yeah, he wrote it together and they
worked together for so many years.
And that's like, it's so cool. So touchy, man, to be like, wow,
that's like 30 years ago. And you're like, wow.
And yeah, you know, this guy for40 years.
We've been doing making music for that long.
I'm like, that is so cool. That's when you know that you're
around really good people. Yeah, I really want to do a good
(40:50):
job. And then you're just like, dude,
this is a circle I want to be around.
One one of the coolest things I I saw that I really appreciated
that how much he props up his team.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is so cool because you
actually like get like, I think now and dealing with these
different kinds of people, like I don't have a boss, but like
seeing people being bosses of other people.
(41:12):
How much bosses act like bosses.Yeah.
It's so to me, it's always so, you know, frustrating to see
because at the end of the day, it's like, man, like this can
change any day. Like the person that you are,
like being like pulling, like I'm the boss card on someday
they might be, you know, you boss.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Had enough.
Whatever. But like, he is like almost
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every time. Like, look how amazing these
guys are. And I'm sure even on that show
or other shows, they might have fucked up some stuff.
Yeah, they might have got a notewrong or whatever, but he's like
makes a point of like, yeah, even if it's not true, even if
it's rehearsed, it's like, this is the best guitarist on earth.
Like even saying that coming from someone like Hans Zimmer
(41:54):
hearing that as a guitarist. Whether you believe it or not,
like. Fuck, man, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's my boss is propping me up in front of all these people and
that's something that actually stuck with me because it's not
normal that for bosses to be this good to their employees for
lack of better. Well, I mean, like he did admit
during the show that how he doesswear a lot in rehearsal and
which I'm like, I guarantee if he's up this level.
Yeah, dude, I when I I remember reading about Michael Jackson,
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he was like, so picky on stuff. Oh yeah.
Like he would make people like, want to breakdown and cry.
Well, Michael Jackson is a different story because when he
was a kid he was also fucking abused.
But. I mean like, but again, this is
one of those things where I tellpeople like which one do you
want it? Do you want that comfortable but
you do mediocre or do you want that really pain and do
something magnificent? Yeah.
You know, and I think that's thedifferent, that's where the
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psycho mentality was on my mind where I'm like, 100% yeah, I'm
like, well, I want to be that level.
Well, that's the price you can pay.
I'm like, OK, let's start paying.
Yeah. And it's understood in my mind.
So I think that's the thing thatkeeps me going where I'm like,
oh, yeah, I know it's gonna suck.
Yeah, what about it? What's the point here?
Like, dude, you don't need to dothat.
Why? Like, no, people are really
happy with 80%. Like I won 100 and 101.
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Yeah, they're like, no, 99 is pretty good.
Like no, I won 101. 101 is that show.
Yeah, that show is like actually100.
And 101 right there, man, like I'm telling everybody, if you
get a chance or your friends anywhere, please tell them.
Kindly tell them don't do the whole on YouTube.
You can find the whole concert on YouTube.
I get it. No no no, no.
I. Promise you are in a place where
that tour is, is, is going. Yeah.
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Whatever money it is, honestly, whatever money it is, it's worth
it. It's worth.
I have talked to, obviously it was a big venue and I've ran
into a lot of friends and I talked to many friends after,
after I posted that I was there.Yeah.
And almost unanimously people said the same words.
This is what money well spent. Money well spent.
It was genuinely money well spent.
Yeah, a couple of funny interactions that happened.
(43:43):
So the actually from our listeners, a bunch of people
also at the show. Yeah, See at the on the podcast
group we, which you can join if you're on the
patreonpatreon.com/hopod, you can join us on the WhatsApp
group. So I mentioned that I went
there, blah, blah, blah. And oh, yeah.
So Peter Balog, a good friend ofours also on the podcast, you
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know, we talked about we everyone was amazed.
Yeah. As we said, he appreciated.
Man of Steve Rahul appreciated. Man of Steve.
So good. Yeah.
There was a funny part where Hans Zimmer said basically
eluded or not eluded. He actually said that movie that
whichever song this age, the movie was terrible.
Yeah. Yeah.
But we like playing it. Yeah.
And people were asking what, Yeah.
(44:28):
What movie was referring to. So Peter found out the answer he
he believes is Dark Phoenix suit.
Sweet. Oh, never heard about it.
Yeah, yeah. But I think the visuals were
like kind of Dark Phoenix's kindof thing.
So it had the cat and all that stuff like.
Yeah, yeah. So he says that's the one where
Wonder Woman goes crazy, which, which flopped, I've actually
never heard of. Never.
Heard of that movie? There you go.
But the song was good, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
(44:50):
Wonder Woman. So yeah, it's highly like he.
Did this and then I went on a crazy rant about speaker of
Wonder Woman. How cool was the lady who the
chat the. Chalicello, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. And he kept calling her Wonder
Woman. Yeah.
And then I. Like the first, in the beginning
of the whole thing, there was Wonder Woman.
She was doing that. Yes, I could recognize that.
I'm like, yeah, so good, Yeah. I did say that I would like to
(45:11):
ask her hand in marriage. Yeah, yeah.
And and then I of course nerded out and went on a crazy hunt and
found her, found her on Instagram and her account.
I'm not going to tell you because I'm she's going to be my
wife and I'm not going to. So yeah.
(45:31):
So you can look up, it actually took a little bit of a while
because if you look up her, his regular chalice, she's not the
same lady, but yeah, so. She's well now we know.
Don't DM her. Yeah I would DM her.
I did already she. Yeah, well, just let you know
the we're running out of time simply because one of our
batteries just died. Oh, no.
Yeah, my the. OK, well, OK, we can continue
(45:53):
with the white and and me. It's OK anyway.
That's OK, but hey, this also tells you, which is why we need
to support on the Patreon. Oh yeah, to help me charge my
batteries. Yes, yeah, charge the batteries.
And also there's so much shit that I would like to like to
say. But as this podcast is genuinely
growing bigger, especially aftermove to Spotify where people are
(46:14):
more, you know, people are finding it more organically, we
have to kind of like censor ourselves a little bit on the on
the main episode. However, we don't have to do
that on the Patreon. Also, I kept saying that on the
Patreon before, which was true, except that there was a button
that I never turned on. I kept saying you can't download
(46:36):
it. Actually for the last many years
I did never turned on the buttonthat says.
Oh, you mean to allow people? To allow so now I turn it off so
hopefully no one downloaded any of the other man 200 episodes.
Did it? So I knew it was an option, but
I thought it was by default. Yeah, turns out you have to
disallow the downloading. Oh.
OK, so I feel like a Hans Zimmersoundtrack.
(46:58):
Did they download it? Did they download?
It did they download it? Actually, one last thing about
the Hans Zimmer thing. The the level of intensity of
the Pirates of the Caribbean song is mind bending to me.
How much it built, but like before the the the last.
(47:19):
Oh, he did all the with the withthe.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Before the like the last two minutes, which is like that like
crazy. Like it's called the theme is
called He's a pirate. Yeah, It's a famous song before
that. Like the build up to it.
Yeah. It's something that you also can
kind of learn from like an entertainment point of view is
that you like you can actually kind of like build up the the
tension. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(47:40):
And how cool because you are sitting, everybody come on,
everybody sitting on the edge oftheir.
Seat. When is it?
When is it? When is it?
What is it? It's like a, you know, a DJ,
whatever it's. Like, come on, come on, drop it.
Ready. Yeah, absolutely amazing.
Honestly, like one of I think before this I had What was your
best live show experience? Because we, I think.
(48:02):
Broadway, man, that's surprising.
For the opera and stuff of that.I was like, goddamn, that was
fantastic in New York. In New York.
I've never been. Yeah, but I saw it in Hong Kong,
so I'll be like, yeah, I saw theNew York one close up and I was
like, wow, this is insane. Before this one I had a few
close like I saw Stevie Wonder live who was amazing.
Yeah, so good. Definitely not blind.
Different story, but so good. Whether blind or not, I saw
(48:26):
Metallica that. I thought was really good.
Yeah, that was really good. And I saw Yanni live and it was
also really good and it was likea similar thing with like an
orchestra and whatever, and I like Yanni.
But then this came and just likeblew all of this out of the
water for me. Honestly better than all of
these shows. And obviously there's a level of
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like unbiased because he's like,like, I've always been a fan and
it was literally on my, you know, wish list.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
And for, for us to see it. And also it's cool that yeah,
we, we kind of manifested it into, into happening.
Yeah, there you go. So if you were there, you're
welcome to share your your experience with us.
(49:09):
You can DM us on. On what you I was like, wait,
the the the bug. Yeah, funny, Vivek is simply my
handles mostly on my social media.
Yeah, or you got the other Mohammed.
I'm the other Mohammed. Yeah, that's into our Yeah.
Tell us you were there. Tell us maybe if you saw Hans
Zimmer in other cities, what wasyour experience?
(49:29):
Or if you even saw what was yourtop concert?
Yeah, or top live live show experience.
Let us know. We're about to record the
Patreon after we charge this camera a bit.
Until then, we hope to see you at the live show Stand up show.
It's going to be equally. No, I can't say that I cannot
promise to be equally as impressive, but it will be
equally well worth the money that I can.
(49:51):
Promise you. Because the ticket is way
cheaper. Yeah, yeah.
So it's lower your standards is what you're saying.
All right. Thanks everybody.
Thanks for tuning in and we'll see you next week.
See you. Music.
So I reiterate here, the bill isdead.
The story of this great city is about the years before this
night. Hey everyone, this is Ho Ho Hong
(00:23):
Kong with me, Vivek, Mabu Bunny and the other dude.
Who is that? Other dude is here, forgot how
to talk. Yeah, we're recording in the
evening of on on a given day andit's the first time I talk for
the whole day. It is at a time of the abnormal
time ish on a day that is not the normal day ish, yes, of the
(00:44):
period that is not the normal period and the voice of the not
the normal voices. Yeah.
Right, exactly. We have that out of the.
Way people are listening probably in the beginning of
their week and they're feeling all the energy.
They're like, OK, and I'm like. What's going on?
Yeah, MO's like. Well, it's it's the weekend for
the average or maybe here it's the average Wang, I don't know.
(01:05):
Or. The average Jenny.
That's the average Jenny. Yeah.
But for us it's it's not. For me it's not.
There is no difference, yeah, between a weekend and a weekday
because it's it's all the same. It's all the same, Yeah.
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, sometimes
Saturday and the fourth Sundays there.
You will remind me that it's like Buddha's birthday.
I'm like, yeah, happy birthday. I don't know what you want.
(01:27):
You're like I include all days as Buddha's birthday.
I don't wait for that day. I say happy birthday to any
Buddha I see. Sometimes I have a meeting and
then people go like, oh, we're out of town.
I'm like, why? Yeah, like it's the Christmas.
And yeah, like. Yeah, yeah, right.
You should tell me this stuff before you go out of town.
I'm like, what? What?
Yeah, it's, it's, it's hard for,for this like when you're doing
(01:48):
like you are kind of your own entity, but at the same time
it's almost like you are the product and you are the company.
I am the product, I'm the service.
I'm the issue that people have to deal with.
Yes, exactly. So I'm, I'm a little different
because I'm basically like mostly event production, Yeah,
which means there is like I am the service provider a lot of
the times, not necessarily the product and those are whole.
(02:08):
Different. Yeah, you're the highway, I in
the car. Yes, correct.
Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah.
So I think even for you, like when there are like issues of
whatever shows or something, Yeah, you can answer it so
quickly because you are the product.
Yeah, right. Yeah, while I sometimes have to
check what's going on, but it still falls on me.
Yeah, right. Like the person will chase you.
(02:29):
So what's the answer? You're like, I'm waiting for the
other side to get back to me. I don't care about the other
side. It might be all.
I am in front of them, the client or the venue or whatever
I am that's they're dealing withme.
Yes, I am exactly, therefore I am therefore you.
I'm not happy. So just to let everybody know,
as you can see, you probably at this point in pretty much almost
2 minutes into the podcast, you have no idea what Muhammad's
(02:51):
talking about generally. Now what has happened Apparently
before we recorded Mohammed confessed to me saying he was
like on this new workout routine.
Yes, when he decided now normally, you know, he
exercises. Okay, we, we know that we yeah,
but he never exercises twice as much.
This time he did the Hong Kong efficiency.
He he was probably thinking likewhat what would Vivek do?
(03:11):
What do you do? Only jogging or what do you
weight lift some weights? If hypothetically, if you are to
exercise for the first time in 20 years, me.
Dude, I go to the gym all the time, man.
You do, dude. You don't know that.
You don't walk around. Indoors.
No, I thought you go to the gym,but I thought you like just go
and like take phone calls and stuff.
Oh. No, no, no, no.
When I'm at the gym, dude, I'm always angry.
Anybody who see me at the gym knows that I'm never smiling.
(03:32):
I'm always pissed off. Yeah, again, it comes down to
like, I'm either listening to some angry music, yeah, that's,
you know, I'm going to destroy the world, or it's one of those
like, again, motivation stuff where it's like this yelling at
you. Yeah, like, yeah, everyone else
is rubbish. Only you are.
You matter. And I'm like, yeah.
David. Yeah, Oh yeah, dude, his stuff.
(03:53):
I'm huge, man. And like and like.
And I hear that stuff, guys. Scares the fuck out of.
Me idiot, I love it, dude. I can't get enough of it.
I could. I couldn't read, but I knew
every single day I'm going to work a bit harder and one day
I'll be bad at your level, you know, I'm like, I love.
It like that little dumb shit that Instagram throws at me when
he goes like I have money at home, I have a comfort.
Yeah, he's running, he's running.
(04:14):
Anyone could come and take over what I'm doing.
But I will show them that when you're still waking up, I'm
finishing my mile. You know, dude, the best thing
is like I go in the gym and I'm like, whatever, I listen to the
tapes and they're always about, you know, like everyone is
trying to out there to get you. Don't let them pull you down.
And like I'm literally at the gym looking at everyone with my
headphones are they have no ideawhat I'm listening to.
And I'm like, fuck these guys, fuck this guy on the squad bar.
(04:38):
Fuck, fuck you up man, don't. You feel like it's probably like
pitting you too much against everyone else.
They have no idea. They have no idea, but it's good
because like, that way I'm like,I guess so angry who you are.
I'm gonna lift that bar. Fuck you.
And I started lifting weights out of anger.
Yeah, I'm gonna fucking lift this one more time just to show
you that while you're resting, I'm working.
(04:58):
Stupid, stupid. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I didn't do any of the like, I didn't do it out of any
of this spiteful. Shit, you purely the for health.
Yeah, well, not for health. I do this thing when I just kind
of test my limits to see like how far I can go with something.
Yeah. In general, yeah.
So sometimes whether it's like quitting assert, like quitting
sugar, I'm like, yeah, I love desserts and.
(05:19):
Yeah, I'll ask for two minutes for that.
Yeah, that's my last SO. Like I think because I grew up
doing Ramadan, yeah. So to me, like the, I really
believe in the idea of like justlike even if you have access to
something and it's so easy that you should just no, I think it's
the boot. I don't know if it's Buddhist.
It's a philosophy of practicing non attachment which I talked
about here. We talked about that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not to attach.
(05:40):
Yeah, yeah. Not to attach.
I genuinely believe in that. Yeah.
So I think it's cool that, like,either you're not attached to
anything, even if you have access to it, or you just like,
kind of like, push yourself to alimit to see, like, how far you
can go. I think to me it's the same
thing. Yeah.
So, yeah, with the working out, like I've been doing yoga for a
long time and that's like just became part of my routine.
So it's not challenging anymore.I still do it, but it just
(06:02):
became like brushing your teeth,just you go to yoga, that's it.
So with the working out thing, I've never liked it.
Like I don't like working out. What about it then?
You like the sweating? The fact that you feel like I
picked up the dumbbell, put it back in or.
I think I get bored. I get really bored.
Yeah, I like car. You not intense enough if you
have time to be. Bored.
Yeah, well, that's what I figured.
You're right, you're 100% right.So once I upped the intensity of
(06:25):
it, I became, yes, I became more, I wouldn't say addictive,
but it became more like, you're right.
Like it became more, you're focused on the task.
Yeah. Then like, oh, I don't know what
to do. Yeah.
I used to go and be like, just look at the ceiling and like,
yeah, whatever. And now I'm like, because I have
a bit more stamina, yeah. Then I can actually be like, OK,
let me lift this thing. Let me get on this machine while
I'm thinking, yeah, of the next thing.
(06:45):
And it's just, I do like the very basic, like either leg day
or like upper body day and that's it.
I don't like fuck around like too much like STEM.
For me, I don't, I don't know, I'll split my days because I
have no more time to be like today's leg.
I'm like, dude, this is my workout day.
It's the only I don't know what I'm gonna work out again.
Oh yeah, you know, however, you're right.
I one of my workout things is I if I'm able to Daydream, I'm not
(07:07):
working hard. You're right enough.
Yeah, Yeah. Yeah.
So. Yeah, anyway, so, OK, so.
And then, yeah, I'm not. Attaching to the to the
dumbbells? No, I'm not attaching OK.
No, they're free and I'm free. Yeah, both of us are free.
Sometimes I pick them up. Sometimes I put them down.
You basically you attach yourself to it.
You do your workout and not attach them, you put them down.
That's the idea, right? But then I decided to challenge
(07:28):
myself even more and join a run club.
Which is tell everyone what a run club is.
Because like, you see, I understand the idea of a club
and running. Yeah, but the need to have a
club of people to run with. Let's understand this concept.
Well, it's, it's more like, I think people do it for the
social thing. Yeah.
Except that like, I am like, I can be very antisocial.
Yeah, in situations where I don't want to talk to people.
(07:50):
And I make it very clear becauseI'm the only one in the run club
who had his earphones in, which is like.
Doesn't understand this logic behind Muhammad's activities,
right? He joins the community, yeah, of
people who are like, let's do this for the community.
Yeah. He joins them and be like, yeah,
fuck you guys. Yeah, you just want to follow
the guy. Oh, I just.
That's it. So it's more like peer pressure.
You're trying to get them to push, correct?
(08:11):
I have to run now. That's exactly right.
Wow. And because I would go run with
the dog. But the dog sometimes, first of
all, it's too hot for her now. And sometimes I like because
she's quite independent and she's awfully 100% of the time
now. She is a single lady.
She's a single lady. Yes, she doesn't need you.
She doesn't need me and she doesher own thing.
She's very independent. Yeah, yeah.
Exactly. But sometimes you go to the
(08:33):
waterfront and we run from like Shanghai, like the Macau ferry
pier. Basically by the time we get to
like the ferries wheel, she's like gassed out because and also
it's annoying for me because I look back and she's like
sniffing around, she's pissing with something.
So it's like it breaks up to momentum too much I.
Think I think honestly, if I if I had adult, it's like yours and
you know she was trying to do her own thing yeah and when I
(08:54):
see a gas start, I will go up toher and just do like push ups
just to piss her up. That's right.
Or you couldn't handle it, couldyou?
You were all like I don't need you.
I don't need this shit. I can do my own thing and now
look at you. You're like, look at you.
Shut the fuck up and also. People stop sometimes or like
play with her. I'm like, we're running.
Yeah, yeah. And if because it's very
sensitive to noise, so if somebody like dropped something
(09:15):
or whatever, she actually she almost tripped me a couple of
times. Because she just run in front of
me. She.
Stopped or run in front of me and almost fell.
I'm like, OK, that's not that's it.
No more dog. Yeah.
Exactly, Yeah. So now as I said, but I don't
have the discipline and I think This is why I do the whole non
attachment thing or whatever because if it's up to me, I just
want to sit at home all day. I don't want to work, I don't
(09:35):
want to work out. Yeah, I don't want to eat.
Like honestly dude, like I am sofucking not like like a
comfortable environment is not good for me.
Dude This is why you need to puton headphones and check out
those motivation tapes. David Goggins going to say be
comfortable being uncomfortable.Yeah, well, I accept that.
I don't need some guy to yell atme.
I need to yell at me. So why?
(09:58):
Do I have? My own David Carter.
You listen to the tape, yeah. And then have a mic recording
it, and then you play that recording back to yourself.
It's the exact same thing they're saying.
But see you telling yourself, yeah, it's mostly you life hack
that shit out. Whereas like Muhammad's telling
Muhammad and you're like, it's all meta, but you're running.
And then this is like a past Muhammad and like, fuck you,
(10:18):
man. You know what?
Every time you don't run, I get to all that shit.
And do it like when we have likea a good month of work or
whatever, whatever. Yeah.
And then like there is like, youknow, company made some money
and I can finally pay myself theones out of six months every
year. Yeah.
Like, literally my first inclination is to go to Big
House and buy 24. Like, I'm not even joking.
(10:41):
Yeah, but to the extreme. Yeah.
Which is so fucking stupid because I'm like, if I do that,
they're just diabetes. Like yes, it's so bad.
But it's fairly the whole self reward thing.
This is the one thing with adults is that adulthood you can
technically reward yourself whenever, right?
Yes and no, man. Let me say for anybody, I bet
everybody who listen to this hasat some point be like, I deserve
this. Yeah.
(11:02):
And let's be honest, you don't deserve it.
No, you don't. Yeah, because like David Gaga
said, be good. Well, I also push myself again
to the to the extreme of aside from the running and the
workout, I also had to get out of the house to get work done.
Yeah, but like, it's so stupid to like go to a coffee shop and
everything. So I actually this is where you
(11:23):
will judge me and I know that. Here we go.
Yes, let's do this. This is I know this is extreme.
Let me guess. OK.
Yeah, you can. Guess here we go.
This is so you're saying that you don't stay at home to work,
right? Because.
You get, no, I can't. I get too distracted.
It's too nice and too comfort. And there's Netflix and dog and
snacks. Yeah.
So I'm like, this is bullshit. I'm just leaving.
But you don't do the coffee shop.
No, I, I, I was going to the coffee shops like for a few
(11:45):
times I'm like, it's not working.
Yeah, yeah, because I'm also like, I think it's the whole
thing. I'm not pressured enough to
like. Yeah, you're like the cafe
working. Yeah.
So what? Yeah, exactly.
Guess where I could work? I could work.
Or what motivates me to really like oh shit now I really need
to work? All right, I'm guessing you take
the MTR and you'll get yourself from, let's say, saying poon all
the way to Taiwan. And when you hit the end, you
(12:06):
have to get up. So you're like, I got to finish
this e-mail, but I'd like to go to the, I go to the, the the
depot. Man, no, because you're
forgetting a part where I'm alsolazy.
It's. I don't want to go too far.
No, but like, you get out, you have to walk down the wait.
No, that shame. Yeah.
So you show 1 all the way channel, that's 27 minutes.
No, that's too. Far, actually.
But you don't move, you sit on the train.
I know, but and you walk into the train and sitting with
that's so I'm going to make it easier for you.
(12:29):
It's something within literal walking distance from the.
Garden area right outside your house.
Yeah, well, I would cool beans. Cool beans, you got a cool
beans. It's not.
It's too fun and. Fun.
Yeah, it's near your house. You go away at work.
I think, OK, I'm going to make it easier for you.
I I had to give myself immense financial pressure to actually
(12:52):
be like, oh, I have to make thisworth it.
Oh you got a Co working space? Yes, but are you serious?
Extreme. Not even a regular Co working
space. You owe one of those like
private office. Spaces what?
What did I get? I'm guessing it was one of those
those you don't have the privaterooms.
No, not not that. But this kind of thing?
A mix of all of this, but like for fancy people that it
(13:14):
shouldn't be there for. Wait, you, you rented another?
You rented an office space. No, I joined Soho House.
I joined. Oh my for.
Legitimately, to be like, this is too expensive.
I got to do something. I'm going to go there every day.
Fair enough. Yeah, that.
Works. Do it.
It works like fucking magic. Yeah, because I'm too.
(13:35):
And it's like definitely not forpeople like high level of
income. Yeah, because it's unstable for
me. Yeah, it's like, it's not, but I
joined it legitimately for the pressure of like, I'm paying too
much money for this. Dude, I.
Have to go every single day. Whatever you're paying them,
Yeah, I'll try just $10 less to come into this room every day to
(13:56):
fucking work. Yeah, but you can't.
That's the thing. You can't get me to work.
No one can. Only I can get me to work.
Yeah, but then you're paying thesame, You're paying a little bit
less than that one. It still hurts.
But are you gonna like, beat me to work?
I have speakers in this room. Can you be like you got to be?
Incredible to me. But that's the funny part.
It's like Crystal House is also nice, but like I can go there
(14:18):
and fuck around because it's like whatever.
Yeah, because you have a peer pressure of seeing people like
these guys are. Legit, not just that.
Honestly, the only pressure I have now is how expensive it is
that I have to make it worth it.For me, yeah, fair enough.
That's it. So you can use the gym and get
your clothes washed there as. Well, I can.
I don't know about the clothes. I did.
I should ask about this, people say.
That, yeah, you can get. It I should ask SO House members
right in. I have to remember.
(14:40):
There, I mean I go to the gym there and but I didn't know but
I will ask. You know what you should do?
I I here's another thing you cando is that try to notice the
times when people are having allthose fancy meetings.
Yeah, Right. And go at that time.
Yeah. Then just being around people
who seem like they're getting shit done.
Yeah. Like, man, I got to get
something done, man. The funny part is that there is
(15:00):
a lot of rules that I did like the little induction thing for
the new members. Yeah, you're not supposed to
like the the working spaces are mostly the two top floors, 27
and 29, and the 27 is mostly where people work during the
day. You are not supposed to take
phone calls at all. So you actually have to, yeah,
you have to like go into like the little room thing.
Like there is like a little private room, private room to
(15:22):
take a call. So in a way they want people to
hang out, but they also don't want it to be like a Co working
space where everyone was like a lot of.
Recreation clubs do that where they're like, we don't want
people, so tell me John was like, shut up, dude.
So the one of the cutest things and shout out to my buddy
Crystal Tolani, who I ride the minibus.
We mentioned her a couple of weeks ago.
(15:42):
As soon as I joined, I looked inthe app and I realized she's a
member and then we connected. I'm like, oh, where are you?
So I just went and found her desk table thing and now she's
like my work buddy. Oh, nice.
Which is really good because again, I need like this other
like more. Yeah, yeah, more pressure to be
like, hey, what are you doing? Are you not at work?
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Are you scrolling on your phone
for two hours? So now, Yeah, Now I have a work
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buddy as well. It's super.
Bizarre for a guy that Ramadan. Yeah, you have terrible
discipline. Yes, no, no, I don't get this.
It's not good. Like I could if I need to force
my like, I can't do it with the sugar.
Yeah, but give me like work. I'm like dude, I'm not going
nowhere till this is done. Yeah, well.
Wow, this is interesting. Yeah, yeah.
Never thought of that with it, do you?
I think I, I, you know, the more, the more I think of it and
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the older I get to whatever, themore I read, I realized, and
this is completely self self diagnose diagnosy.
Yeah. It's I think it's a level of
ADHD that I can really, if I'm not really into something, it's
almost impossible to get. Into everyone, dude.
Yeah, that's everyone. Yeah, but like, as opposed to
most people, sometimes you're like, oh, I'm going to tell my
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boss that or whatever, whatever.I'm like, I don't have that
pressure right. Yeah, but I mean, like, you OK.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
So the lack of interest because you're not interested in that
thing. I think that's everyone number
one. However, yeah, I guess the idea
of like, I just don't give a shit at all.
Yeah. Regardless of consequences, yes.
I don't think that's ADHD. That's just a Dick, Dick.
A Dick, yeah, no, it's not like I don't get like honestly, when
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it's other people's stuff, I care more.
But for here's a real, current real life example.
Like we're recording in like middle of May and I have my
actual Hong Kong visa like renewal in two weeks.
I'm almost done. It's like whatever, whatever.
So a bunch of notes that a bunchof documents that I I did a few
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years in a row. So I know it, but there is one
particular letter that I'm just like, I hate doing and I can't
just copy paste the thing from the last couple of years or
whatever. I have to rewrite it.
It's basically like a business plan for the next three years.
I have to be really detailed. Yeah.
And I just don't wanna do it. And it's like, I really don't
wanna do it and it's very difficult.
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Yeah, but it's like a lot of people, they, they have to get
that deadline, you know, to pushthem.
So my deadline is in two weeks, but I.
Do like in 10 days. Maybe, Yeah, yeah, I just like
and I have other, that's the thing, like there's other tasks
that come in new tasks are not as urgent.
Yeah, yeah, but they're more enjoyable.
You vacuum your floor first and all that shit.
Yeah, yeah, but no. So now that's why I had to get
the fuck out of the house. I don't do that because I have
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like 15 plants. Yeah.
And the whole day instead of doing the one letter I'm
actually looking at my plants, looking up like oh this leaf is
like getting all crinkling. Yeah what the fuck is going on?
2 hours later I'm on Reddit slash house plans.
Well, I get the people. Well in case anyone has the same
problem as you I just let you know Tabo is having their 618
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discount. Oh fuck so good for me to go
there and waste another 4 hours buying shit you didn't know you
need it dude. I, I that happens to me,
however, I maybe through discipline, whatever, I have no
idea. But I once I get into the rabbit
hole, yeah, I will lose my shit.Yeah, OK.
However, it's very rare I'll allow myself to go to the rabbit
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hole for something that I don't think is going to have any
productive value because I know I'm like, yeah, I'm, I, I, I,
you. Clearly haven't been on
subreddit of house plants because it's very enjoyable.
Let me tell you man, regardless of how little information.
You get. I get it man.
Now. People fight all the time
because there is just like that culture of shaming of like,
yeah, yeah, basically every problem is you just need to stop
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watering your plant. That's.
Yeah, yeah, it's overwatered. You relax.
Water every time, so fuck you. But you're like, no, maybe just
one more thing will tell me something.
It's a new. Like Nope, it's over watering
dude. Everybody's just over watering.
Yeah, just relax, man. You know, you're trying too hard
now. Yeah, yeah, I'll be honest with
you, man. I get, I do the same thing, like
I say when I look at gadgets or whatever I want, I'm interested
in buying, let's just say like acamera lens, right?
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I'll go on YouTube and I have towatch every single review
everyone, until I search the whole the word, I can't find
anything about it. Then I'm like, OK, I think I can
convince that I should get that,you know, So I know what you
mean. However, maybe I've designed my
life or like, somehow structuredin a way where I've avoided or
not had to deal with things I desperately hate.
Yeah, except if it's like, let'ssay typical admin shit, right?
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You can't get away with that, right?
Yeah, I get to reply this e-mail.
No, you're right. I mean, I'm the same that like I
don't like, of course I'm in this business myself as well as
I'm like, I don't want to do anything like I hate.
Yeah, and I don't do it like I don't have that for the most
part. Same like you, which is why
we're doing what we do. But there are some admin parts,
I think, between you and me. The difference is that like you
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are very much like go, go, go. Yeah, because of your own.
Exactly. And to me, I'm like, I just hate
this. Like I really hate.
It oh, dude, like I put it this way, I've, I've developed this
mentality of like what I call like the gun to the head
mentality where I'm like, I either do it now or I'm going to
get screwed because I know Tsunami is going to hit me next
in the next hour with some urgent matter that all of a
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sudden I'm like, Oh my God, I got to deal with this now I'm
screwed. So like, it's, it's a good thing
where like I have this strong discipline.
I'm getting it done now. I don't care.
I'm not sleeping so dumb. The bad thing is that when even
if I know next morning, I'm, I'mopen.
Yeah, I can go sleep. I got traces first.
It's like, dude, you can do it tomorrow.
You have nothing happening. But I don't.
OK? No, something's gonna happen.
That's the difference because sometimes, yeah, we would record
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and you need to do the thing theadding the intro outro and you
send it to me at like 3:00 AM. Yeah.
And we had already talked and I know the next day you don't have
anything. I'm like, why are you doing it?
Now I'm like, I can't, I guess tomorrow's my computer's gonna
crash or I'm gonna lose this data or.
I mean, that's that's more productive, I think, but it's
also not good for your health. I guess so, yeah, it's one of
those things where, you know, like how you have those athletes
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and stuff where they really go like let's say the MMA fighters
where they'll break their arm towin.
Yes, yes. I believe like I have the same
mentality from an emotional point of view or mental point of
view. Physically, I'm not breaking
shit for that. But mentally I'll be like, dude,
I will break my brain if I need to.
Yeah, true. To get that thing done.
I mean, it's very interesting like, and I wish more people who
are like self-employed or like maybe owners of like SM ES yeah
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would get in touch or talk to usabout how they handle it because
there is a few things like you, we talked about this before.
You don't you have no intention to hiring people.
No, you just exactly just I, I do because I think it's again
like part of and I started reading about it as well.
Delegation is the key, I'll admit that.
Delegation. Every book tells me that Do you
can't expand with your Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So what I have developed is my goal is no longer humans is as
long as it's like it can be AI, it could be software.
I will not, I do not. I prefer not to hire a human.
So I'd rather until when AI getsgood enough where it's like
pretty much human. I'm like, I trust you because
you know what difference is? AI runs on electricity, not
emotions. Okay, there's no like, I don't
want to tell you this. Like what?
Yeah. What?
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Yeah. Well, you have, you are not
watching the AI like robots going rogue videos that are
coming out of China every month.Now.
There is one with like like I think they had like a safety
harness on it. Otherwise, it was just like
trying to beat the shit out of the engineers.
Yeah. It's so fucking scary.
And he was like going around. It's trying to turn it off.
But The thing is metal. So it's just like, it's like it
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hits him in the head. It's game over.
It's it's yeah, it's yeah. I don't want to be like that guy
of like, oh. Let me clarify the I meant
software, none of the hardware. Shit man, I'll pick that fling
myself. You tell me what to pick up,
I'll pick it up myself. Thank you.
Yeah, I mean, it's only a matterof time if that robot is going
rogue or whatever. The software can also go rogue
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right? Like it can be like oh I changed
all your passwords haha. Yeah, yeah.
And then that's it. Yeah, that that could happen.
I mean, I guess if that day doescome, hopefully you'll be in
like 30 years time, Yes. And by that time, I'll be with
that Joe son. You bitch, you messed up.
Yeah, we'll see, man. I mean, honestly, at the end of
the day, dude, you can't win. So.
No, you can't win. I think it's moving too fast,
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but going back speak of moving too fast.
So going back to my, my, my crazy, the reason you mentioned
all of this is like the whole workout slash running thing.
Yeah, which I got myself into because I need to.
Yeah, like basically. Also I have this problem.
Yeah, what's the objective here?Well, the objective is that I
have too much energy at night and not every night is a show
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you. Know why you have too much
energy at night? Because I used to work in call
centers. That number one and #2 you're
fucking checking subreddits during the day.
Yes, that energy is not being used.
Properly, man, it's not. Dude, by the night time man, I
just crash into my pillow. I was like, dude, like.
I I mean, yeah, I should just exactly.
I should have more things duringthe day that like keeps me
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physically like moving. I think what you should do I'm.
Just working admin like it's allof it is almost admin at this
point. Meetings.
Admin calls. Yeah, by 12 hours, just 12 AM
12:00 PM. Is that working day or what are
you? Saying whatever.
So you think you're actually 12:00 AM, but it's actually
12:00 PM in the afternoon Monday, but you put your class
at 12 AM and maybe psychologist subconsciously you guys like
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it's tired to work. Yeah, it's no, I wake up early.
That's the thing. I wake up early regardless.
So that's why I'm like, I need to change this whole system.
So I wake up early and then, youknow, it takes like an hour to
like drink coffee and walk the dog and have like light
breakfast or whatever. So by the time I actually start
working, it's like 10:30, right?Yeah.
So and now I just like walk thiswhole house.
So that's like a lot of like time.
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It's. I mean, like what you do now is
one of those things where they trigger your brain like this
environment. Like it's work mode.
Exactly. Yeah, it's work mode.
That's a very big difference. I mean, the downside aside from
it being expensive for me, don'tcome for me, it's expensive for,
but it's like for other like people who are working there.
You're right. You're seeing people who are
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like, Oh, those are like young professionals doing.
I can't be sitting here doing nothing even though I can't like
look at what they're doing. I think it's also funny because
maybe if we zoom out, everyone is just like playing like
looking at them for sure lookingat each other also looking at
like Instagram and shit, Everyone's like, oh, look at me.
I have a. Suit yeah we we doing more yeah
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yeah I can imagine that I'll putit this way is like it's also
one of my things where I'm a firm believer when I go to the
gym I'm I want to go to like let's say I go to people know
that right they'll see me over there and like I will try my
best to go to let's say the one in Kinwick because I feel that
people over there during the daytime yeah they're clearly
self-employed they're not working at 4:00 in the afternoon
they're working in an office butlike they're the type of like
I'm here for my workout shut thefuck up let's get over their
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lives right and that's what I appreciate the most because like
when people see me that's just aquick hi OK cool get on with it
I got stuff to do I'm like perfect yes and I think you're
right the environment definitelythat makes a difference and also
that trigger thing where you're like I'm here now so I got to
get. I'm here now and I was also
thinking about it. There's something, I guess I was
trying to write a joke about it.There's something really funny
about our parents generation, how they had to go to the office
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like the everyone. Like there's no work from home
in the fucking 70s so they have to go to the office.
Of all the housewives are like fuck you away from home.
Yes, exactly. And so they're, yeah, they're
doing homework. Yeah.
Yeah, so you know, whatever, they went to office and then
just literally over the last like 4-5 years, the work from
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whole culture had become so big,yeah, because of COVID blah,
blah. And then at least for me
personally, and maybe people like who are in the same
mentality went, no, you actuallyneed to leave the house.
Yeah. So actually the whole idea was
going to the office is the rightthing.
Yeah, you have to leave the house even though it's so
comfortable or so like appealingto be like, oh, I can work from
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home and good. It's like, no, but like, you
need that separation. And now having done both sides
for almost equal amount of years, like ideally you want to
get out of the house but still not work for people or not do
something you don't want to do, which is where I am now.
Yeah. So it's almost the most ideal
situation. Like I'm getting out of the
house, but I'm doing something that I'm enjoying.
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Yeah, right. As opposed to getting out of the
house and going to a job. You don't care about, right?
Yeah, yeah. But the part of like, oh, I can
do this for myself and work fromhome, you need to be a different
kind of beast, which is, I mean,what you are I.
Think so basically the work fromhome thing, if you really want
to dig deep, I did a lot of study and research before where,
how do you kind of get into workmode, right.
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So there's many ways #1 when I in my, in the previous place, my
bedroom was my office, yeah. So what I'd have to do is I'd
have certain light setups. So then the light is only
shining on my desk and I can't really see the bed technically.
And then the room's kind of dull.
So I think the desk is the only thing that exists.
Yes. And I would never lay on my bed
to, you know, think about work. It would be only resting, Yeah.
And it's one of those things where, yeah, you build it enough
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where like a moment your body goes onto this chair and gets to
this computer. Like OK this is work.
This is work. Yeah, so it's weird for me
because like now a lot of times what I find is that once I sit
on that chair, my stress level goes up because this is work
even when I'm you're. Supposed to be stressed at work,
yeah? You're like, I'm going to work
more now, let's get to work. So then I had to start thinking
about, OK, I don't want to have the stress level when I'm trying
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to write comedy and everything. So I've got to think about a
different desk or different kindof setup and everything.
So yeah, if you really want to do the work from home thing, the
best thing you can do is to havethe same room if you need to, if
that's all you got, and use lighting or some sort of
environmental change, whether it's like a different table or a
different chair or a different wallpaper, whatever you need to
do, man. And that's why now in this
place, I'll be sure I have the little quote UN quote separate
office, which actually is now like the place I spend 90% of my
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time in the house. And it's stressful every time I
walk into my car. I just, it's a ton.
Your setup is also quite intense, right?
Because you have like a, you know the screen and the and the.
The hood and all that stuff, yeah, yeah.
So what for me, this is the problem is that as a person from
a designer background and havingdone all that research about,
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you know, how to calibrate your monitor and everything, even
though I'm not a professional photographer, nor do my photos
have to be color calibrated. Yeah.
Or color accurate. I'm like, no, I want to make
sure my color is accurate. Sure.
Like, dude, nobody's giving a shit.
I'm like, we don't want that poster comes out.
Yeah, I want that skin tone to be correct.
Of course, Like nobody gives it the goose off.
Well. You give a shit that's.
The. Thing.
But that's a cool thing. You're holding yourself to a
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certain standard. Oh yeah man, that's my double
edged sword. Where like, oh, you think this
guy is? No, I'm not.
I don't care what you think. Yes, yeah, doing it for me.
You're like, those chicks are like, I'm wearing this for me.
I don't care what you are. Yeah, exactly.
This is all about me. The only person I'm trying to
compete with is myself. Right.
But it's true. It's one of the weird things
where I've developed it to a point now where literally the
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whole thing can go on. Like for example, just my
Australia tour and that poster man, like that poster itself,
like the resolution this is thatI was like, I need a precisely
perfect, the lighting's everything.
And I'm like. But it is cool because we need
more people like yourself and atleast in our industry, because
especially in the scene here in Hong Kong, there is a lot of
amateur hour. It's not necessarily because we
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are amazing. It's because a lot of people are
doing it for fun. Yeah, Even if they are
pretending that they're like, oh, I'm going to take it to a
nice level. But you're not, though, because
you're not doing a lot of the work that shows that you're
actually dedicated to this. You're not showing up to open
mics, for example. You're not writing new material,
blah, blah, blah, stuff like this.
So we need people like you are like, Oh, no, this is this is
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the standard. Yeah, the standard.
Like we all know if Vivek is doing his own show.
Yeah, like it's going to be a certain.
Way it has to be there it has tobe yeah, exactly.
Or something's all right you're like there's some someone fucked
up man it's not him yeah yeah, yeah.
That's. I think The thing is that when
you are at that level, you enterinto a world where if you
sustain it long enough, people start noticing it.
And then what happens, as you just said, is that they know
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that this equals that. Yes.
And so then there's there's a level of assurance with like I,
you know, if he's DMC, we're gonna have good time.
It's cool. Yeah.
Right. However, at the same time, there
have been times when people see it, they're like, did someone
fuck up? And like, I'm not here to, I'm
not gonna, you know, I'm not theone.
Well, it's a problem because, yeah, the audience, the show,
that the scene is not mature enough to understand that you
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doing a spot, Yeah, doesn't meanyou're producing the show.
It's nothing to do with me it. Has nothing to do with you.
Yeah, yes, but sometimes you would see you on a shitty show
and be like. These gigs, you know, Oh.
Shit, yeah. Is that the Vivek guy?
That everyone. 'S talking about, yeah.
Yeah, that's it. Like why is the spotlight like
on his? Yeah, the back of his head.
That's. Weird, I guess that's what he
does. I mean, maybe I mishear, I don't
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know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaking of spotlight in the back of your head, people, let
me just tell you something. I have seen something in my lap
that I think I'll never Unsee. An experience I've had where I
think if I could do it again, I would pay twice as much to go
experience it. Oh, yeah.
It's something that I feel like I am so grateful that I went and
I and. And with no hesitation, forced
everyone around me like you weregoing.
I don't give a. Shit.
Well, that actually started on the podcast.
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Did you know that? Like the whole idea of going
there to sell? Yeah.
Oh, really? Yeah.
It's not in the podcast. Do it a few months ago.
Yeah, we saw. We're doing it.
Yeah. No, we.
Actually said we had an episode when we talked about our dream
shows or whatever, and that was before it was yes, really dude,
I was telling you or your mom the other day that like I think
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we manifested it into existence.Oh, there you go.
There is an episode when we cut this, we can cut back to that.
Episode, we figure it out. Somebody in turn do the
research. I'm not doing it.
Yeah. Yeah, no, we said like, it was
like maybe February or whatever.Yeah.
And we have an episode that goeslike, what are our dream list
of, like live shows and stuff like this in Hong Kong?
Yeah, possible. And we actually said Hans
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Zimmer. We.
Specifically, said Hans Zimmer. And both of us agreed, like, oh
shit, that'll be epic. And I think we might have even
mentioned like our favorite songs and like Pirates of the
Caribbean and this and that. And then what happens is that
someone from the podcast group actually go listens to the
episode Go. They just went on sale.
Yeah, cuz no, no, I remember seeing a poster of Hans Zimmer
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live in Hong Kong on Elgin St. walking up home and I'm like,
what? And that was a few days before
it goes on sale. Cuz I remember the end of
February that went on sale. Yes, yes.
And I remember thinking about that and you probably told me,
yeah, it's going on sale. This place, this is legit.
This is really happening. So in case you're thinking like,
wait, are these referring to Hans Zimmer?
Yes, Hans Zimmer Live. If you saw it, congratulations
my friend. You have experienced something
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that I believe you will rememberthe rest of your life.
If you missed that show, he's doing shows in the rest of Go to
China and everything. I would literally recommend
trying to reroute your work to go to that's in Shanghai and
watch that show. Let me tell you, I've seen many
live shows. I've seen Metallica live, I've
seen different bands live, I've seen Broadway.
I went to New York. I've seen stuff like Back to the
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Future, which I said was fantastic when I was in London
watching that show. Yep.
And I watched Hans Zimmer live and let me just say as a person
who listens a lot of music, doeslisten to his music as well.
Not specifically only Interstellar and stuff like
that, but man, the whole show, production, the the quality of
just the light design. Let me say as a person who does
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know how to appreciate good quality lighting, yeah.
Oh man, I was like losing my shit.
I'm like, dude, this is another level.
Oh my God. There were so many things that
you're like, it's actually all the same kind of big.
I I don't pretend that these episodes have a bigger point,
but I think we're kind of like the bigger theme of the
episodes, like work, like discipline and like, you know
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how to like, like people qualitycontrol yourself and stuff like
this. And that's a perfect example of
how much you can perfect something that anyone watching
it, you're like that attention to detail and how nobody is
dropping the ball, dude. Nobody is like, oh, I can just
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do it this. Way.
Oh, yeah, that's what he did. Yeah, yeah, that's the gimmicks.
Like, dude, no. Oh my God.
And I want to also remind you that this is it's so funny.
I mean, it makes sense that you're forgetting.
Obviously we do a lot of things,yes.
And we do this every week. And this is episode 200.
Fucking sure, whatever. Yes, so many things.
So I looked quickly on the podcast, this group.
Yes, so I did. I posted the episode as we do
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like with the podcast group likethe little thing with the links.
The date is December 2024. Eleven.
Wow. Okay, okay, okay.
So we actually have an episode, episode 199 for you guys.
You can go back and the title ofthe episode is Hong Kong Live
Shows Wish List. Wow.
And my little synopsis thing, itsays as a brand new KITAC
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Stadium open, we share our wish list for 2025.
For 2025. It was like good, yeah, that's
insane. So and then Rahul, who's a good
friend of the podcast, he actually said, and we talked
about this right before, before recording.
Yeah. And he actually said, no, they
might have done a smaller show. There is actually a photo from
Rahul. He responded immediately going,
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hey, guys, Hans Zimmer to came to Hong Kong in 2019.
It was amazing. Yeah.
When he did The Dark Knight Live, it was incredible.
And there's a photo. But this is you're right.
Also, this feels kind of small. Way smaller man.
Yeah, so this was from Rahul. So he did come 2019.
It actually confirms my other friend.
I was telling you it might have been Cassie responded.
I was going to say, I swear he came to Hong Kong, not sure when
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because I moved in 2019. You also don't remember.
So and I said, oh, no, I missed it.
And that was again, December, yeah. 20 December 2024.
Yeah, cut to I was just looking at the group on like what we
said when we said Hans Zimmer. Yeah.
So and then they go in February as soon as it goes on sale,
they're like, Oh my God, it's onsale.
(36:59):
And I immediately went, I'm so going to buy a ticket.
Oh my God, day one dude, I the night before I was talking to
you. I'm like alright, I'm getting
this price tickets. I go yes, I will go with
whatever. Right.
Yeah. Also knowing me, I don't, I am
not particularly someone who goes like, Oh yeah, just buy
whatever ticket. I always be like, ah, can we sit
like a little far, save money. But for this one, I'm like no,
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no, no, we will do the right way.
So I literally when I was buyingthe tickets, one thing I knew I
was like, I am going to sit obviously front row.
I was a guy that's kind of no, if I was buying things by
myself, screw you guys, I would go all in, right?
But I wasn't I was buying for other people like ah, fine,
yeah. And so I made sure we.
Were well, you're also because you're buying for your
girlfriend and your mom. But yeah, yeah, that's three
(37:41):
people I'm buying for me. Yeah.
So yeah, she technically go nutsand you go I can.
But that's also I want to sit with you.
Guys, you know, fair enough. So, but I made sure I was like,
I did my homework. I studied.
I was like, OK, this this zone is this.
I was like, where is the sound people?
Yeah, where is that mixer person?
Because like wherever they are, they are definitely hearing the
best sound in the room. Of course.
Right. So I was like, wherever they
are, I'm going to be right next to them.
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Yeah, when I share that on the podcast group, actually people
go like, oh, we didn't know. It's like an insider tip thing.
And I'm like, I thought it's common knowledge, but it's not
for people who are not, I guess.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, fair enough. You would assume that.
I mean, if it's in front better.I mean, in front is not bad.
No. Yeah.
But I'm like, obviously the sound people, they're not going
to take the front space because,like, that's expensive tickets,
right? Yeah, Yeah.
(38:21):
But the fact that they're OK with standing in that position
to hear the room. Yeah, the sound.
And so I'm like, that means it must be of some level to give
them an idea of what quality it is.
I'm like, I am making sure, yeah, you're right next to them
and like bam, force tickets and.The whole team is next to us and
actually I was looking at them, most of them don't even have
headphones on. You have to listen exactly,
which means literally this is the best sound the.
(38:43):
Best sound yeah you know yeah. However, the best thing is that
I'm sure they've done it so manytimes that half of it is pre
programmed anyway. Of course they're not live
mixing everything 100%, I'm sureno, no, but still enough to like
make small just for all this person playing a bit harder
today. I better slow it down over there
yeah, but yeah. I was like God damn dude.
This is like man, I would go back twice to watch this two
more times. One more time to get the best
(39:04):
God damn ticket possible. Yeah, yeah.
You actually want to sit in the front?
I'm just I. Want to get my mind blown Yeah,
yeah, yeah, like let me be like,wow, my God, right.
And then the last one is to sit wherever I get the best view of
that mixer in front of his panel.
Yeah, I just want to watch him and like, dude, don't worry
about me, man. Got.
To me, recording an episode withsomebody, I'm like, yeah, after
like 45 minutes I'm like, it didnot record.
(39:25):
Exactly, exactly. This is what I deal with every
day, man, you know, So it'll be a good contrast for me.
Yes, but like yeah, the whole also the the concert is very
long. It's almost 3 hours long.
We're like 20 minutes in the break in the middle.
Yeah. But like they do a lot of yeah
like mixes, like medleys of, of their yeah of their songs.
So it's not like 1. Song.
(39:46):
Yeah. Yeah, one song they.
Did I think Inception that time was the longest, The full one,
but that's a short one. Any was a minute or something.
Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
And I think Interstellar did like the full one as well.
The Interstellar song, they did the full one as well.
Yes and the for the James Bond, they did like maybe 3 or 4 songs
like a mixing in and out. Yeah, the the main theme
obviously, yeah, yeah. But it's like it's one of these
things like you can obviously listen to all of them on.
(40:08):
On Spotify or whatever, yeah. But like, it's so fucking
incredible to see live. The coordinate.
Also, this is a full orchestra where is like 20 people.
Yeah, it's insane. Like they had all of them.
Like these are not just like, oh, whoever's available, come
down like they were the ones, yeah, who did it.
And I was like, shit, this is sogood.
Yeah. And then the guy who helped him
(40:29):
wrote with him, The Lion King one, The Lion King 1 is so cool
because he said like, yeah, he wrote it together and they
worked together for so many years.
And that's like, it's so cool. So touchy, man, to be like, wow,
that's like 30 years ago. And you're like, wow.
And yeah, you know, this guy for40 years.
We've been doing making music for that long.
I'm like, that is so cool. That's when you know that you're
around really good people. Yeah, I really want to do a good
(40:50):
job. And then you're just like, dude,
this is a circle I want to be around.
One one of the coolest things I I saw that I really appreciated
that how much he props up his team.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is so cool because you
actually like get like, I think now and dealing with these
different kinds of people, like I don't have a boss, but like
seeing people being bosses of other people.
(41:12):
How much bosses act like bosses.Yeah.
It's so to me, it's always so, you know, frustrating to see
because at the end of the day, it's like, man, like this can
change any day. Like the person that you are,
like being like pulling, like I'm the boss card on someday
they might be, you know, you boss.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Had enough.
Whatever. But like, he is like almost
(41:33):
every time. Like, look how amazing these
guys are. And I'm sure even on that show
or other shows, they might have fucked up some stuff.
Yeah, they might have got a notewrong or whatever, but he's like
makes a point of like, yeah, even if it's not true, even if
it's rehearsed, it's like, this is the best guitarist on earth.
Like even saying that coming from someone like Hans Zimmer
(41:54):
hearing that as a guitarist. Whether you believe it or not,
like. Fuck, man, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's my boss is propping me up in front of all these people and
that's something that actually stuck with me because it's not
normal that for bosses to be this good to their employees for
lack of better. Well, I mean, like he did admit
during the show that how he doesswear a lot in rehearsal and
which I'm like, I guarantee if he's up this level.
Yeah, dude, I when I I remember reading about Michael Jackson,
(42:16):
he was like, so picky on stuff. Oh yeah.
Like he would make people like, want to breakdown and cry.
Well, Michael Jackson is a different story because when he
was a kid he was also fucking abused.
But. I mean like, but again, this is
one of those things where I tellpeople like which one do you
want it? Do you want that comfortable but
you do mediocre or do you want that really pain and do
something magnificent? Yeah.
You know, and I think that's thedifferent, that's where the
(42:37):
psycho mentality was on my mind where I'm like, 100% yeah, I'm
like, well, I want to be that level.
Well, that's the price you can pay.
I'm like, OK, let's start paying.
Yeah. And it's understood in my mind.
So I think that's the thing thatkeeps me going where I'm like,
oh, yeah, I know it's gonna suck.
Yeah, what about it? What's the point here?
Like, dude, you don't need to dothat.
Why? Like, no, people are really
happy with 80%. Like I won 100 and 101.
(42:58):
Yeah, they're like, no, 99 is pretty good.
Like no, I won 101. 101 is that show.
Yeah, that show is like actually100.
And 101 right there, man, like I'm telling everybody, if you
get a chance or your friends anywhere, please tell them.
Kindly tell them don't do the whole on YouTube.
You can find the whole concert on YouTube.
I get it. No no no, no.
I. Promise you are in a place where
that tour is, is, is going. Yeah.
(43:21):
Whatever money it is, honestly, whatever money it is, it's worth
it. It's worth.
I have talked to, obviously it was a big venue and I've ran
into a lot of friends and I talked to many friends after,
after I posted that I was there.Yeah.
And almost unanimously people said the same words.
This is what money well spent. Money well spent.
It was genuinely money well spent.
Yeah, a couple of funny interactions that happened.
(43:43):
So the actually from our listeners, a bunch of people
also at the show. Yeah, See at the on the podcast
group we, which you can join if you're on the
patreonpatreon.com/hopod, you can join us on the WhatsApp
group. So I mentioned that I went
there, blah, blah, blah. And oh, yeah.
So Peter Balog, a good friend ofours also on the podcast, you
(44:06):
know, we talked about we everyone was amazed.
Yeah. As we said, he appreciated.
Man of Steve Rahul appreciated. Man of Steve.
So good. Yeah.
There was a funny part where Hans Zimmer said basically
eluded or not eluded. He actually said that movie that
whichever song this age, the movie was terrible.
Yeah. Yeah.
But we like playing it. Yeah.
And people were asking what, Yeah.
(44:28):
What movie was referring to. So Peter found out the answer he
he believes is Dark Phoenix suit.
Sweet. Oh, never heard about it.
Yeah, yeah. But I think the visuals were
like kind of Dark Phoenix's kindof thing.
So it had the cat and all that stuff like.
Yeah, yeah. So he says that's the one where
Wonder Woman goes crazy, which, which flopped, I've actually
never heard of. Never.
Heard of that movie? There you go.
But the song was good, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
(44:50):
Wonder Woman. So yeah, it's highly like he.
Did this and then I went on a crazy rant about speaker of
Wonder Woman. How cool was the lady who the
chat the. Chalicello, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. And he kept calling her Wonder
Woman. Yeah.
And then I. Like the first, in the beginning
of the whole thing, there was Wonder Woman.
She was doing that. Yes, I could recognize that.
I'm like, yeah, so good, Yeah. I did say that I would like to
(45:11):
ask her hand in marriage. Yeah, yeah.
And and then I of course nerded out and went on a crazy hunt and
found her, found her on Instagram and her account.
I'm not going to tell you because I'm she's going to be my
wife and I'm not going to. So yeah.
(45:31):
So you can look up, it actually took a little bit of a while
because if you look up her, his regular chalice, she's not the
same lady, but yeah, so. She's well now we know.
Don't DM her. Yeah I would DM her.
I did already she. Yeah, well, just let you know
the we're running out of time simply because one of our
batteries just died. Oh, no.
Yeah, my the. OK, well, OK, we can continue
(45:53):
with the white and and me. It's OK anyway.
That's OK, but hey, this also tells you, which is why we need
to support on the Patreon. Oh yeah, to help me charge my
batteries. Yes, yeah, charge the batteries.
And also there's so much shit that I would like to like to
say. But as this podcast is genuinely
growing bigger, especially aftermove to Spotify where people are
(46:14):
more, you know, people are finding it more organically, we
have to kind of like censor ourselves a little bit on the on
the main episode. However, we don't have to do
that on the Patreon. Also, I kept saying that on the
Patreon before, which was true, except that there was a button
that I never turned on. I kept saying you can't download
(46:36):
it. Actually for the last many years
I did never turned on the buttonthat says.
Oh, you mean to allow people? To allow so now I turn it off so
hopefully no one downloaded any of the other man 200 episodes.
Did it? So I knew it was an option, but
I thought it was by default. Yeah, turns out you have to
disallow the downloading. Oh.
OK, so I feel like a Hans Zimmersoundtrack.
(46:58):
Did they download it? Did they download?
It did they download it? Actually, one last thing about
the Hans Zimmer thing. The the level of intensity of
the Pirates of the Caribbean song is mind bending to me.
How much it built, but like before the the the last.
(47:19):
Oh, he did all the with the withthe.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Before the like the last two minutes, which is like that like
crazy. Like it's called the theme is
called He's a pirate. Yeah, It's a famous song before
that. Like the build up to it.
Yeah. It's something that you also can
kind of learn from like an entertainment point of view is
that you like you can actually kind of like build up the the
tension. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(47:40):
And how cool because you are sitting, everybody come on,
everybody sitting on the edge oftheir.
Seat. When is it?
When is it? When is it?
What is it? It's like a, you know, a DJ,
whatever it's. Like, come on, come on, drop it.
Ready. Yeah, absolutely amazing.
Honestly, like one of I think before this I had What was your
best live show experience? Because we, I think.
(48:02):
Broadway, man, that's surprising.
For the opera and stuff of that.I was like, goddamn, that was
fantastic in New York. In New York.
I've never been. Yeah, but I saw it in Hong Kong,
so I'll be like, yeah, I saw theNew York one close up and I was
like, wow, this is insane. Before this one I had a few
close like I saw Stevie Wonder live who was amazing.
Yeah, so good. Definitely not blind.
Different story, but so good. Whether blind or not, I saw
(48:26):
Metallica that. I thought was really good.
Yeah, that was really good. And I saw Yanni live and it was
also really good and it was likea similar thing with like an
orchestra and whatever, and I like Yanni.
But then this came and just likeblew all of this out of the
water for me. Honestly better than all of
these shows. And obviously there's a level of
(48:47):
like unbiased because he's like,like, I've always been a fan and
it was literally on my, you know, wish list.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
And for, for us to see it. And also it's cool that yeah,
we, we kind of manifested it into, into happening.
Yeah, there you go. So if you were there, you're
welcome to share your your experience with us.
(49:09):
You can DM us on. On what you I was like, wait,
the the the bug. Yeah, funny, Vivek is simply my
handles mostly on my social media.
Yeah, or you got the other Mohammed.
I'm the other Mohammed. Yeah, that's into our Yeah.
Tell us you were there. Tell us maybe if you saw Hans
Zimmer in other cities, what wasyour experience?
(49:29):
Or if you even saw what was yourtop concert?
Yeah, or top live live show experience.
Let us know. We're about to record the
Patreon after we charge this camera a bit.
Until then, we hope to see you at the live show Stand up show.
It's going to be equally. No, I can't say that I cannot
promise to be equally as impressive, but it will be
equally well worth the money that I can.
(49:51):
Promise you. Because the ticket is way
cheaper. Yeah, yeah.
So it's lower your standards is what you're saying.
All right. Thanks everybody.
Thanks for tuning in and we'll see you next week.
See you. Music.
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