May 18, 2025 • 50 mins
On our episode #199, dated 11 December 2024, we chatted about our wish wishlist for live shows to see in Hong Kong. Cut to May 2025, and we are sitting together watching one of the shows that was on top of that list, and it did not disappoint.
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So I reiterate here, the bill isdead.
The story of this great city is about the years before this
night. Hey everyone, this is Ho Ho Hong
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Kong with me, Vivek, Mabu Bunny and the other dude.
Who is that other? Dude is here, forgot how to
talk. Yeah, we're recording in the
evening of on on a given day andit's the first time I talk for
the whole day. It is at a time of the abnormal
time ish, on a day that is not the normal day ish, Yes, of the
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period that is not the normal period and the voice of the not
the normal voices. Yeah, right.
Exactly. We have that out of the way.
People are listening, probably in the beginning of their week.
They're feeling all the energy. They're like, OK.
And I'm like, what's going on? Yeah, MO is like.
Well, it's it's the weekend for the average, or maybe here it's
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the average wank. I don't know the.
Average Jenny. That's the average Jenny.
Yeah, but. For us, it's it's not.
For me it's not. There is no difference, yeah,
between a weekend and a weekday because it's it's all the same.
It's all the same, Yeah. Any Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Thursday, Friday, sometimes Saturday and the fourth Sundays
there. You will remind me that it's
like Buddha's birthday. I'm like, yeah, happy birthday.
(01:26):
I don't know what you want. You're like I include all days
as Buddha's birthday. I don't wait for that day.
I say happy birthday to any Buddha I see.
Sometimes I have a meeting and then people go like, oh, we're
out of town. I'm like, why?
Yeah, like it's the Christmas. And yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, right. Tell me this stuff before you go
out of town. I'm like, what?
What? Yeah, it's, it's, it's hard for,
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for this like when you're doing like you are kind of your own
entity, but at the same time it's almost like you are the
product and you are the company.I am the product and the
service. I'm the issue that people have
to deal with. Yes, exactly.
So I'm, I'm a little different because I'm basically like
mostly event production. Yeah, which means there is like
I am the service provider a lot of the times, not necessarily
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the product. And those are a whole.
Different. Yeah.
You're the highway, I'm the car.Yes, correct.
Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah.
So I think even for you, like when there are like issues of
whatever shows or something, Yeah, you can answer it so
quickly because you are the product.
Yeah, right. Yeah, while I sometimes have to
check what's going on, but it still falls on me.
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Yeah, right. Like the person will chase you.
So what's the answer? You're like, I'm waiting for the
other side to get back to me. I don't care about the other
side. I am in front of them, the
client or the venue or whatever I am that's they're dealing with
me. Yes, I am exactly.
You are, therefore I am, therefore you are.
I'm not happy. So just to let everybody know,
as you can see, you probably at this point in pretty much almost
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2 minutes into the podcast, you have no idea what Muhammad's
talking about generally. Now what has happened.
Apparently before we recorded Mohammed confessed to me saying
he was like on this new workout routine.
Yes, when you decided now normally, you know, he
exercises. Okay, we, we know that we yeah,
but he never exercises twice as much.
This time he did the Hong Kong efficiency.
He he was probably thinking likewhat what would Vivek do?
(03:11):
What do you do? Only jogging or what do you
weight lift some weights? If hypothetically, if you are to
exercise for the first time in 20 years, me.
Dude, I go to the gym all the time, man.
You do, dude. You don't know that.
You don't walk around indoors? No, I thought you go to the gym,
but I thought you like, just go and like take phone calls and
stuff. Oh.
No, no, no, no. When I'm at the gym, dude, I'm
always angry. Anybody who see me at the gym
knows that I'm never smiling. I'm always pissed off.
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Yeah, again, it comes down to like, I'm either listening to
some angry music, yeah, that's, you know, I'm going to destroy
the world, or it's one of those like, again, motivation stuff
where it's like just yelling at you.
Yeah, like, yeah, everyone else is rubbish.
Only you are. You matter.
And I'm like. Yeah, David.
Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, dude, his stuff.
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I'm huge, man. And like and like.
And I hear that stuff, guys. Scares the fuck out of me.
Really, I love it, dude. I can't get enough of it.
I could. I couldn't read, but I knew
every single day I'm going to work a bit harder and one day
I'll be bad at your level, you know, I'm like, I love.
It like that little dumb shit that Instagram throws at me when
he goes like I have money at home, I have a comfort.
Yeah, he's running, he's running.
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Anyone could come and take over what I'm doing.
But I will show them that when you're still waking up, I'm
finishing my mile. You know, dude, the best thing
is like I go in the gym and I'm like, whatever, I listen to the
tapes and they're always about, you know, like everyone is
trying to out there to get you. Don't let them pull you down.
And like I'm literally at the gym looking at everyone with my
headphones are they have no ideawhat I'm listening to.
And I'm like, fuck these guys, fuck this guy on the squad bar.
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Fuck, fuck you up man, don't. You feel like it's probably like
pitting you too much against everyone else.
They have no idea. They have no idea, but it's good
because like, that way I'm like,I guess so angry who you are.
I'm going to lift that bar. Fuck you.
And I started lifting weights out of anger.
Yeah, I'm going to fucking lift this one more time just to show
you that while you're resting, I'm working.
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Stupid. Stupid, Yeah.
Yeah, I didn't do any of the like.
I didn't do it out of any of this spiteful shit.
You. Purely the for health.
Yeah, well, not for health. I do this thing when I just kind
of test my limits to see like how far I can go with something.
Yeah, in general, yeah. So sometimes whether it's like
quitting assert, like quitting sugar, I'm like, yeah, I love
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desserts. And yeah, I last for two minutes
for that. Yeah, that was my last Test.
So like, I think because I grew up doing Ramadan, yeah.
So to me, like the, I really believe in the idea of like just
like even if you have access to something and it's so easy that
you should just no, I think it'sthe boot.
I don't know if it's Buddhist. It's a philosophy of practicing
non attachment which I talked about.
Here before we talked about that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not to attach.
Yeah, yeah. Not to attach.
I genuinely believe in that. Yeah.
So I think it's cool that, like,either you're not attached to
anything, even if you have access to it, or you just like,
kind of like, push yourself to alimit to see, like, how far you
can go. I think to me it's the same
thing. Yeah.
So, yeah, with the working out, like I've been doing yoga for a
long time and that's like just became part of my routine.
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So it's not challenging anymore.I still do it, but it just
became like brushing your teeth.It just you go to yoga, that's
it. So with the working out thing,
I've never liked it. Like I don't like working out.
What about it then? You like the sweating?
The fact that you feel like I picked up the dumbbell, put it
back in or. I think I get bored.
I think I get really bored. Yeah, I like car.
You not intense enough if you have time to be bored.
Yeah, well, that's what I figured.
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You're right. You're 100% right.
So once I upped the, the intensity of it, I became, yes,
I became more, I wouldn't say addictive, but it became more
like, you're right. Like it became more, you're
focused on the task. Then like, oh, I don't know what
to do. Yeah, I used to go and be like,
just look at the ceiling and like, whatever.
And now I'm like, because I havea bit more stamina, Yeah.
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That I can actually be like, OK,let me lift this thing.
Let me get on this machine whileI'm thinking yeah of the next
thing. And it's just I do like the very
basic like either leg day or like upper body day and that's
it. I don't like fuck around like
too much. For me, I don't, I don't know,
I'll split my days because I have no more time to be like
today's leg. I'm like, dude, this is my
workout day. It's the only thing.
I don't know what I'm gonna workout again.
Oh, yeah, you know, However, you're right.
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I one of my workout things is I if I'm able to Daydream, I'm not
working hard. You're right enough.
Yeah, Yeah. Yeah.
So. Yeah, anyway, so, OK, so.
And then, yeah, I'm not. Attaching to the to the
dumbbells? No, not attaching.
Okay. No, they're free and I'm free.
Yeah, both of us are free. Sometimes I pick them up.
Sometimes I put them down. You basically you attach
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yourself to it. You do your workout, not attach
them. You put.
Them down. That's the idea, right?
But then I decided to challenge myself even more and join a run
club, which is. Tell everyone what a run club
is. Because like you see, I
understand the idea of a club and running.
Yeah, but the need to have a club of people to run with.
Let's understand this concept. Well, it's, it's more like, I
think people do it for the social thing.
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Yeah. Except that like, I am like, I
can be very antisocial. Yeah, in situations where I
don't want to talk to people. And I make it very clear because
I'm the only one in the run clubwho had his earphones in, which
is like. Doesn't understand this logic
behind Muhammad's activities, right?
He joins the community, Yeah, People who are like, let's do
this for the community. Yeah.
He joins them and be like, yeah,fuck you guys.
(08:05):
Yeah, I just want to follow the guy.
Oh, I just that's. It so it's more like peer
pressure. You're trying to get them to
push, correct? I have to run now.
That's exactly right. Wow.
And because I would go run with the dog.
But the dog sometimes, first of all, it's too hot for her now.
And sometimes I like because she's quite independent and
she's off leash 100% of the timenow.
She is a single lady. She's a single lady.
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Yes, she doesn't need you. She doesn't need me and she does
her own thing. She's very independent.
Yeah, yeah. Exactly.
But sometimes we go to the waterfront and we run from like
Shanghai, like the Macau ferry pier.
Basically by the time we get to like the ferries wheel, she's
like gassed out because and alsoit's annoying for me because I
look back and she's like sniffing around.
She's pacing with something. So it's like it breaks up the
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momentum too much. I think, I think honestly, if I
if I had adult this like yours and yeah, you know, she was
trying to do her own thing. Yeah and when I see a gas start,
I will go up to her and just do like push ups just to piss her.
I be like, that's right. Or you couldn't handle it, could
you, huh. You were all like, I don't need
you. I don't need this shit.
I can do my own thing And now look at you.
Look. At you shut the fuck up and also
people stop sometimes to like play with her.
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I'm like, we're running. Yeah, yeah.
And because it's very sensitive to noise, so if somebody like
drops something or whatever, sheactually she almost tripped me a
couple of times. She just run in front of me.
She stopped or run in front of me and I almost fell.
I'm like OK, that's not that's it.
No more dog. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. So now as I said, but I don't
have the discipline and I think This is why I do the whole non
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attachment thing or whatever because if it's up to me, I just
want to sit at home all day. I don't want to work, I don't
want to work out. Yeah, I don't want to eat.
Like honestly dude, like I am sofucking not like like a
comfortable environment is not good for me.
Dude This is why you need to puton headphones and check out
those motivation tapes. David Goggins going to say be
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comfortable being uncomfortable.Yeah, well, I accept that.
I don't need some guy to yell atme.
I need to yell at me. So why do?
I have my own David card. You shouldn't you listen to the
tape, Yeah. And then have a mic recording it
and then you play that recordingback to yourself.
It's the exact same thing they're saying.
But see you telling yourself, yeah, it's mostly you life hack
that shit out. Whereas like Mohammed telling
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Mohammed and you're like, it's all meta, but you're running.
And then this is like a past Muhammad and like, fuck you,
man. You know what?
Every time you don't run, I get to all that shit.
And do it like when we have like, a good month of work or
whatever. Whatever.
Yeah. And then like there is like, you
know, company made some money and I can finally pay myself the
ones out of six months every year.
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Yeah. Like the literally my first
inclination is to go to Big House and buy 24 XR.
It's like, I'm not even joking. Yeah, but to the extreme.
Yeah. Which is so fucking stupid
because I'm like, if I do that they're just diabetes.
Like yes, it's so. Bad.
But it's fair though, like the whole self reward thing.
This is the one thing with adults is that adulthood you can
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technically reward yourself whenever, right?
Yes, I know, man. Let me say for anybody, I bet
everybody who listen to this hasat some point be like, you know,
I, I deserve this. Yeah.
And let's be honest, you don't deserve it.
No, you don't. Yeah.
Because, like David Gaga said, because.
Well, I also push myself again to the to the extreme of aside
from the running and the workout, I also had to get out
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of the house to get work done. Yeah, but like, it's so stupid
to like go to a coffee shop and everything.
So I actually this is where you will judge me and I know that.
Here we go. Yes, let's do this.
This is I know this is extreme. Let me guess.
OK. Yeah, you can.
Guess here we go. This is so you're saying that
you don't stay at home to work, right?
Because. You get, no, I can't.
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I get too distracted. It's too nice and too comfort.
And there's Netflix and dog and snacks.
Yeah. So I'm like, this is bullshit.
I'm just leaving. But you don't do the coffee
shop. No, I, I, I was going to the
coffee shops like for a few times I'm like, it's not working
because I'm also like, I think it's the whole thing.
I'm not pressured enough to like.
Yeah, you're like the cafe working.
Yeah. So what?
Yeah, exactly. Guess where I could work?
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I could work. Or what motivates me to really
like oh shit now I really need to work?
All right, I'm guessing you takethe MTR and you'll get yourself
from, let's say saying poon all the way to Taiwan.
And when you hit the end, you have to get up.
So I got to finish this e-mail, but otherwise go to the I go to
the the depot. Man, no, because you're
forgetting a part where I'm alsolazy.
It's. I don't want to go too far.
No, but like, you get out, he has to walk down the wait.
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Oh, that shame. Yeah, so you show 1 all the way
channel, that's 27 minutes. No, that's too.
Far, actually. But you don't move, you sit on
the train. I know, but and you walk into
the train and sitting with that's so I'm going to make it
easier for you. It's something within literal
walking distance from. The garden area right outside
your house. Yeah, well, I would cool beans.
Cool beans, you got a cool beans.
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It's not. It's too fun and too.
Fun. Yeah, it's near your house.
You go away at work. I think, OK, I'm going to make
it easier for you. I I had to give myself immense
financial pressure to actually be like, oh, I have to make this
worth it. Oh you got a Co working space?
Yes, but are you serious? Extreme.
Not even a regular Co working space.
(13:00):
You owe one of those like private office.
Spaces what? What did I get?
I'm guessing it was one of thosethose you don't have the private
rooms. No, not not that.
But this kind of thing? A mix of all of this, but like
for fancy people that I shouldn't be there for.
Wait, you, you rented another? You rented an office space.
No, I joined Soho House. I joined.
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Oh my for. Legitimately to be like, this is
too expensive, I'm going to go there every day.
Fair enough. Yeah, that.
Works. Do it.
It works like fucking magic. Yeah, because I'm too.
And it's like definitely not forpeople like high level of
income. Yeah, because it's unstable for
me. Yeah, it's like, it's not, but I
joined it legitimately for the pressure of like, I'm paying too
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much money for this. Dude, I really don't.
Have to go every single day. Whatever you're paying them,
Yeah, I'll try just $10 less to come into this room every day to
fucking work. Yeah, but you can't.
That's the thing. You can't get me to work.
No one can. Only I can get me to work.
Yeah, but then you're paying thesame, You're paying a little bit
less than that one. It still hurts.
But are you going to like beat me to work?
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I have speakers in this room. Can you be like, you got to be
incredible? To me, but that's the funny
part, it's like Crystal House isalso nice, but like I can go
there and fuck around because it's like whatever.
Like, yeah, because you have a peer pressure of seeing people
like these, these guys are. Legit.
Not just that. Honestly the only pressure I
have now is how expensive it is that I have to make it worth it
for me. Yeah, fair enough.
That's it. So you can use the gym and get
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your clothes washed there as. Well, I can.
I don't know about the clothes. I did.
I should ask about this, people say.
That yeah, you can. Get it?
I should ask SO House members right in.
Right. Yeah, I have to remember.
There, I mean I go to the gym there and but I didn't know but
I will ask. You know what you should do?
I I here's another thing you cando is that try to notice the
times when people are having allthose fancy meetings.
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Yeah, Right. And go at that time.
Yeah. Then just being around people
who seem like they're getting shit done.
Yeah. Like, man, I got to get
something done, man. The funny part is that there is
a lot of rules that I did like the little induction thing for
the new members. Yeah, you're not supposed to
like the the working spaces are mostly the two top floors, 27
and 29, and the 27 is mostly where people work during the
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day. You are not supposed to take
phone calls at all. So you actually have to, yeah,
you have to like go into like the little room thing.
Like there is like a little. Private room.
Private room to take a call. So in a way they want people to
hang out, but they also don't want it to be like a Co working
space where. Everyone was like, a lot of
recreation clubs do that where they're like, we don't want
people to ask, so tell me, John,what's going on?
I was like, shut up, dude. So the one of the cutest things
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and shout out to my buddy Crystal Tolani, who I ride the
minibus. We mentioned her a couple of
weeks ago. As soon as I joined, I looked in
the app and I realized she's a member and then we connected.
I'm like, oh, where are you? So I just went and found her
desk table thing and now she's like my work buddy.
Oh, nice. Which is really good because
again, I need like this other like more.
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Yeah, yeah, more pressure to be like, hey, what are you doing?
Are you not at work? Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Are you scrolling on your phone for two hours?
So now, yeah, Now I have a work buddy as well.
It's super bizarre for a guy that Ramadan.
Yeah. You have terrible discipline.
Yes. No, no, I don't get this.
It's not good. Like, I could if I need to force
my like, I can't do it with the sugar.
Yeah, but give me like work. I'm like, dude, I'm not going
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nowhere till this is done. Yeah.
Well, wow, this is interesting. Yeah.
Yeah, I never thought of that with it.
Do you? I think I, I, you know, the
more, the more I I think of it, the, and the older I get to
whatever, the more I read, I realized, and this is completely
self self diagnose, diagnose. Y yeah, it's, I think it's a
level of ADHD that I can really,if I'm not really into
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something, it's almost impossible to get.
That's everyone, dude. Yeah, that's everyone.
Yeah, but like, as opposed to most people, sometimes you're
like, oh, I'm going to tell my boss that or whatever, whatever.
I'm like, I don't have that pressure right.
Yeah, but I mean, like, you OK. Oh, yeah, Yeah.
So the lack of interest because you're not just in that thing.
I think that's everyone number one.
However, yeah, I guess the idea of like, I just don't give a
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shit at all, regardless of consequences.
Yes. Now, I don't think that's ADHD.
That's just Dick, Dick. A Dick, yeah, it's not like I
don't get like honestly, when it's other people's stuff, I
care more. But for here's a real, current
real life example. Like we're recording in like
middle of May and I have my actual Hong Kong visa like
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renewal in two weeks. I'm almost done.
It's like whatever, whatever. So a bunch of notes that a bunch
of documents that I I did a few years in a row.
So I know it, but there is one particular letter that I'm just
like, I hate doing and I can't just copy paste the thing from
the last couple of years or whatever.
I have to rewrite it. It's basically like a business
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plan for the next three years. I have to be really detailed.
Yeah. And I just don't wanna do it.
And it's like, I really don't wanna do it and it's very
difficult. Yeah, but it's like a lot of
people, they, they have to get that deadline, you know, to push
them. So my deadline is in two weeks,
but I. Do like in 10 days.
Maybe, Yeah, yeah, I just like and I have other, that's the
thing, like there's other tasks that come in new tasks are not
(18:08):
as urgent. Yeah, yeah, but they're more
enjoyable. You vacuum your floor first and
all that shit. Yeah, yeah, but no.
So now that's why I had to get the fuck out of the house.
I don't do that because I have like 15 plants.
Yeah. And the whole day instead of
doing the one letter I'm actually looking at my plants,
looking up like oh this leaf is like getting all crinkling.
Yeah what the fuck is going on? 2 hours later I'm on Reddit
(18:28):
slash house plans. Well, fucking the people.
Well in case anyone has the sameproblem as you I just let you
know Tabo is having their 618 discount so good for me to go
there and wait another 4 hours buying shitty.
Didn't know you need it dude. I I that happens to me.
However, I maybe through discipline, whatever, I have no
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idea. But I, I once I get into the
rabbit hole, yeah, I will lose my shit.
Yeah, OK. However, it's very rare I'll
allow myself to go to the rabbithole for something that I don't
think is going to have any productive value because I know
I'm like, yeah, I'm, I, I, you. Clearly haven't been on
subreddit of house plants because it's very enjoyable.
Let me tell you man. Regardless of how little
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information. You get.
I get it man. Now.
People fight all the time because there is just like that
culture of shaming of like, yeah, yeah, basically every
problem is you just need to stopwatering your plant.
That's. Yeah, yeah.
It's over watered. You relax.
Water every time, so fuck you. But you're like, no, maybe just
one more thing will tell me something.
It's a new. Like Nope, it's over watering
dude. Everybody's just over watering.
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Yeah, just relax, man. You know, you're trying too hard
now. Yeah, yeah, I'll be honest with
you, man. I get, I do the same thing, like
I say when I look at gadgets or whatever I want, I'm interested
in buying, let's just say like acamera lens, right?
I'll go on YouTube and I have towatch every single review
everyone, until I search the whole the word, I can't find
anything about it. Then I'm like, OK, I think I can
convince that I should get that,you know?
So I know what you mean. However, maybe I've designed my
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life or like, somehow structuredin a way where I've avoided or
not had to deal with things I desperately hate.
Yeah, except if it's like, let'ssay typical admin shit, right?
You can't get away with that, right?
Yeah, I get the reply as e-mail.No, you're right.
I mean, I'm the same that like Idon't like, of course I'm in
this business myself as well as I'm like, I don't want to do
anything like I hate. Yeah, and I don't do it like I
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don't have that for the most part.
Same like you, which is why we're doing what we do.
But there are some admin parts, I think, between you and me.
The difference is that like you are very much like go, go, go.
Yeah, because of your own. Exactly.
And to me, I'm like, I just hatethis.
Like I really hate. It oh, dude, like I, I put it
this way, I've, I've developed this mentality of like what I
(20:37):
call like the gun to the head mentality where I'm like, I
either do it now or I'm going toget screwed because I know
tsunami is going to hit me next in the next hour with some
urgent matter that all of a sudden I'm like, Oh my God, I
got to deal with this now I'm screwed.
So like, it's, it's a good thingwhere like I have this strong
discipline to be like, I'm getting it done now.
I don't care. I'm not speaking so dumb.
The bad thing is that when even if I know next morning, I'm, I'm
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open. Yeah, I can go sleep first.
It's like, dude, you can do it tomorrow.
You have nothing happening. But I don't know, something's
gonna happen. That's the difference because
sometimes, yeah, we would recordand you need to do the thing the
adding the intro outro and you send it to me at like 3:00 AM.
Yeah. And we had already talked and I
know the next day you don't haveanything.
I'm like, why are you doing it? Now I'm like, I can't I because
tomorrow my computer's gonna crash or I'm gonna lose this
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data, or I. Mean that's that's more
productive, I think, but it's also not good for your house.
I guess so, yeah, it's one of those things where, you know,
like how you have those athletesand stuff where they really go
like the the MMA fighters where they'll break their arm to win.
Yes, yes, I believe like I have the same mentality from an
emotional point of view or mental point of view.
Physically I'm not breaking shitfor that.
But mentally I'll be like, dude,I will break my brain if I need
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to. Yeah, true.
To get that thing done. I mean, it's very interesting
like, and I wish more people whoare like self-employed or like
maybe owners of like SM ES yeah would get in touch or talk to us
about how they handle it becausethere is a few things like you,
we talked about this before. You don't you have no intention
to hiring people. No, you just exactly just I, I
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do because I think it's again like part of and I started
reading about it as well. Delegation is the key.
I'll admit that. Delegation.
Every book tells me that dude, you can't expand with your
child. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So what I have developed is my goal is no longer humans is as
long as it's like it can be AI, it could be software.
I will not. I do not.
I prefer not to hire a human. So I'd rather until when AI gets
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good enough where it's like pretty much human.
I'm like, I trust you because you know what difference is?
AI runs on electricity, not emotions.
Yeah, there's no like, I don't want to tell you this.
Like what? Yeah.
What? Yeah.
Well, you have you are not watching the AI like robots
going rogue videos that are coming out of China every month
now. There is one was like like I
think they had like a safety harness on it.
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Otherwise it was just like trying to beat the shit out of
the engineers. Yeah, it's so fucking scary.
And he was like going around. It's trying to turn it off.
But The thing is metal. So it's just like, it's like it
hits him in the head. It's game over.
It's it's yeah, it's yeah. I don't want to be like that guy
of like, oh the. Let me clarify the I meant
software, none of the hardware. Shit man, I'll pick that fling
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myself. You tell me what to pick up,
I'll pick it up myself. Thank you.
Yeah, I mean, it's only a matterof time if that robot is going
rogue or whatever. The software can also go rogue
right? Like it can be like oh I changed
all your passwords haha. Yeah, yeah.
And then that's it. Yeah.
That that could happen. I mean, I guess if that day does
come, hopefully you'll be in like 30 years time.
Yes. And by that time I'll be
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returned. Jokes on you a bitch.
You messed up. Yeah, we'll see, man.
I mean, honestly, at the end of the day, dude, you can't win so.
No, you can't win. I I think it's moving too fast,
but going back speak of moving too fast.
So going back to my, my, my crazy, the reason you mentioned
all of this is like the whole workout slash running thing.
Yeah, that I got myself into because I need to, yeah, like
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basically. Also I have this problem.
Yeah, what's the objective here?Well, the objective is that I
have too much energy at night and not every night is a show
you. Know why you have too much
energy at night? Because I used to work in call
centers. That number one, Number two,
you're fucking checking subreddits during the day.
Yes, that energy is not being used.
Properly, man, it's not. Dude, by the night time man, I
just crash into my pillow. I'm like, dude, like.
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I mean, yeah, I should just exactly.
I should have more things duringthe day that like keeps me
physically like moving. I think what you should do I'm.
Just working admin like it's allof it is almost admin at this
point. Meetings.
Admin calls Yeah by 12 hours, just 12 AM 12:00 PM.
Is that working day or what are you?
Saying whatever. So you think you're actually
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12:00 AM, but it's actually 12:00 PM in the afternoon
Monday, but you put your class at 12 AM and maybe psychologist
subconsciously you guys like it's tired to work.
Yeah, no, I wake up early. That's the thing.
I wake up early regardless. So that's why I'm like, I need
to change this whole system. So I wake up early and then, you
know, it takes like an hour to like drink coffee and walk the
dog and have like light breakfast or whatever.
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So by the time I actually start working, it's like 10:30, right?
Yeah. So and now I just like walk this
whole house. So that's like a lot of like
time. It's.
I mean, like what you're doing now is one of those things where
they trigger your brain like this environment.
Like it's work mode. Exactly.
Yeah, it's work mode. There's a very big difference.
And I mean, the downside, aside from it being expensive for me,
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don't come for me, it's expensive for, but it's like for
other like people who are working there.
You're right. You're seeing people who are
like, oh, those are like young professionals doing.
I can't be sitting here doing nothing even though I can't like
look at what they're doing. I think it's also funny because
maybe if we zoom out, everyone is just like playing like
looking at them for sure lookingat each other, also looking at
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like Instagram and shit. Everyone's like, oh, look at me,
I have a. Suit yeah we we doing more yeah
yeah, I can imagine that I'll put it this way is like it's
also one of my things where I'm a firm believer when I go to the
gym I'm I want to go to like let's say I go to people know
that right they'll see me over there and like I will try my
best to go to let's say the one in Kinwick because I feel that
people over there during the daytime yeah they're clearly
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self-employed they're not working at 4:00 in the afternoon
they're working in an office butlike they're the type where like
I'm here for my workout shut thefuck up let's get over their
lives right and that's what I appreciate the most because like
when people see me that's just aquick hi OK, cool get on with it
I got stuff to do I'm like perfect yes and I think you're
right the environment definitelythat makes a difference and also
that trigger thing where you're like I'm here now so I got to
get. I'm here now and I was also
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thinking about it. There's something, I guess I was
trying to write a joke about it.There's something really funny
about the our parents generation, how they had to go
to the office like the everyone.Like there's no work from home
in the fucking 70s, so they haveto go to the office of so.
All the housewives are like fuckyou away from home.
Yes, exactly. And so they're, yeah, they're
doing homework. Yeah.
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Yeah, so whatever, they went to office and then just literally
over the last four or five years, the work from whole
culture had become so big, yeah,because of COVID blah, blah.
And then at least for me personally and maybe people like
who are in the same mentality went, no, you actually need to
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leave the house. Yeah.
So actually the whole idea was going to the office is the right
thing. Yeah, you have to leave the
house even though it's so comfortable or so like appealing
to be like, oh, I can work for home and good.
It's like, no, but like you needthat separation.
And now having done both sides for almost equal amount of
years, like ideally you want to get out of the house but still
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not work for people or not do something you don't want to do,
which is where I am now. Yeah.
So it's almost the most ideal situation.
Like I'm getting out of the house, but I'm doing something
that I'm enjoying. Yeah, right.
As opposed to getting out of thehouse and going to a job.
You don't care about, right? Yeah, yeah.
But the part of like, oh, I can do this for myself and work from
home, you need to be a differentkind of beast, which is, I mean,
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what you are I. Think so basically the work from
home thing, if you really want to dig deep, I did a lot of
study and research before where,how do you kind of get into work
mode, right. So there's many ways #1 when I
in my, in the previous place, mybedroom was my office, yeah.
So what I'd have to do is I'd have certain light setups.
So then the light is only shining on my desk and I can't
really see the bed technically. And then the room's kind of
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dull. So I think the desk is the only
thing that exists. Yes.
And I would never lay on my bed to, you know, think about work.
It would be only resting, Yeah. And it's one of those things
where, yeah, you build it enoughwhere like a moment your body
goes into this chair and gets tothis computer.
Like OK, this is what? This is work.
Yeah. So it's, it's weird for me
because like now a lot of times what I find is that once I sit
on a chair, my stress level goesup.
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It's like this is work even whenI'm you're.
Supposed to be stressed at. Work yeah, you're like I'm going
to work more now let's get to work.
So then I had to start thinking about OK, I don't want to have
the stress level when I'm tryingto write comedy and everything,
so I got to think about a different desk or different kind
of setup and everything. So, yeah, if you really want to
do the work from home thing, thebest thing you can do is to have
the same room if you need to, ifthat's all you got and use
lighting or some sort of environmental change, whether
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it's like a different table or adifferent chair or a different
wallpaper, whatever you need to do, man.
And that's why like now in this place will be sure I have the
little quote UN quote separate office, which actually is now
like the place I spend 90% of mytime in the house.
Yeah, and it's stressful. Every time I walk in my car, I
just, it's a 10. Your setup is also quite
intense, right? Because you have like a, you
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know the screen and the and. The the hood and all that stuff,
yeah. Yeah.
So what for me, this is the problem is that as a person from
a designer background and havingdone all that research about,
you know, how to calculate, calibrate your monitor and
everything, even though I'm not a professional photographer nor
do my photos have to be color calibrated.
Yeah. Or color accurate.
I'm like, no, I want to make sure my color is accurate.
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Sure. Like, dude, nobody's giving a
shit. I'm like, we don't want that
poster comes out. Yeah, I want that skin tone to
be correct. Of course, like nobody gives it
the goose off. Well.
You give a shit that's. The.
Thing. But that's a cool thing.
You're holding yourself to a certain standard.
Oh yeah, man, that's my double edged sword.
Where like, oh, you think this guy is?
No, I'm not, I don't care what you think.
Yes, yeah, doing. It for me, it for me.
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It's you're like those chicks are like, I'm wearing this for
me. I don't care what you are.
Yeah, exactly. It's all about me.
The only person I'm trying to compete with is myself.
But it's true. It's one of the weird things
where I've developed it to a point now where literally the
whole thing can go on. Like for example, just my
Australia tour and that poster man, like that poster itself,
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Like the resolution this is thatI was like, I need a precisely
perfect. The lighting's everything and
I'm like. But it is cool because we need
more people like yourself and atleast in our industry, because
especially in the scene here in Hong Kong, there is a lot of
amateur hour. It's not necessarily because we
are amazing. It's because a lot of people are
doing it for fun. Yeah, Even if they are
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pretending that they're like, oh, I'm going to take it to a
nice level. But you're not, though, because
you're not doing a lot of the work that shows that you're
actually dedicated to this. You're not showing up to open
mics, for example. You're not writing new material,
blah, blah, blah, stuff like this.
So we need people like you are like, Oh, no, this is this is
the standard. Yeah, the standard.
Like we all know if Vivek is doing his own show.
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Yeah, like it's going to be a certain.
Way it has to be there. It has to be yeah, exactly.
Or something's all right you're like there's someone fucked up,
man. It's not him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's.
I think The thing is that when you are at that level, you enter
into a world where if you sustain it long enough, people
start noticing it. And then what happens, as you
just said, is that they know that this equals that.
Yes. And so then there's there's a
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level of assurance with like I, you know, if he's DMC, we're
gonna have good time. It's cool.
Yeah. Right.
However, at the same time, therehave been times when people see
it, they're like, did someone fuck up?
I'm like, I'm not here to, I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not the
one. Well.
It's a problem because, yeah, the audience, the show, that the
scene is not mature enough to understand that you doing a
spot, Yeah, doesn't mean you're producing the show.
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It's nothing to do with me it. Has nothing to do with you.
Yeah, yes, but sometimes you would see you on a shitty show.
And be like these gigs, you know?
Oh shit, yeah. Is that the Vivek guy?
That everyone. 'S talking about, yeah.
Yeah, that's it. Like why is the spotlight like
on his? Yeah, the back of his head.
That's. Weird, I guess that's what he
does. I mean, maybe I mishear.
I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaking of spotlight in the back of your head, people, let
me just tell you something. I have seen something in my lap
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that I think I'll never Unsee. An experience I've had where I
think if I could do it again, I would pay twice as much to go
experience it. Oh, yeah.
It's something that I feel like I am so grateful that I went and
I and and with no hesitation forced everyone around me like
you were going. I don't give a shit.
Well, that actually started on the podcast.
Did you know that like the wholeidea of going there to.
Well, yeah. Oh, really?
Yeah, It's not in the podcast. Do it a few months ago.
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Yeah, we thought we're doing it.Yeah.
No, we actually said we had an episode when we talked about our
dream shows or whatever, and that was before it was even.
Yes, really, dude? I was telling you or your mom
the other day that like, I thinkwe manifested it into existence.
Oh, there you go. There is an episode when we cut
this, we can cut back to that. Episode, we figure it out.
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Somebody in turn do the research.
I'm not doing it. Yeah.
Yeah, no, we said like it was like maybe February or whatever.
Yeah. And we have an episode that goes
like, what are our dream list of, like live shows and stuff
like this in Hong Kong? Yeah, possibly.
And we actually said. Hans Zimmer, we.
Specifically, said Hans Zimmer. And both of us agreed, like, oh
shit, that'll be epic. And I think we might have even
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mentioned like our favorite songs and like Pirates of the
Caribbean and this and that. And then what happens is that
someone from the podcast group actually go listens to the
episode Go. They just went on sale.
Yeah, cuz like, no, no, I remember seeing a poster of Hans
Zimmer live in Hong Kong on Elgin St. walking up home and
I'm like, what? And that was few days before it
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goes on sale. Cuz I remember the end of
February that went on sale. Yes, yes.
And I remember thinking about that and you probably told me,
yeah, it's going on sale this day.
This is legit. This is really happening.
So in case you're thinking like,wait, are these referring to
Hans Zimmer? Yes, Hans Zimmer Live.
If you saw it, congratulations my friend.
You have experienced something that I believe you will remember
the rest of your life. If you missed that show, he's
doing shows in the rest of Go toChina and everything.
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I would literally recommend trying to reroute your work to
go to that's in Shanghai and watch that show.
Let me tell you, I've seen many live shows.
I've seen Metallica live, I've seen different bands live, I've
seen Broadway. I went to New York.
I've seen stuff like Back to theFuture, which I said was
fantastic when I was in London watching that show.
Yep. And I watched Hans Zimmer live
and let me just say as a person who listens a lot of music, does
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listen to his music as well. Not specifically only
Interstellar and stuff like that, but man, the whole show,
production, the the quality of just the light design.
Let me say as a person who does know how to appreciate good
quality lighting, yeah. Oh man, I was like losing my
shit. I'm like, dude, this is another
level. Oh my God.
There were so many things that you're like, it's actually all
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the same kind of big. I, I don't pretend that these
episodes have a bigger point, but I think we're kind of like
the bigger theme of the episodes, like work, like
discipline and like, you know how to like, like people quality
control yourself and stuff like this.
And that's an, that's a perfect example of how much you can
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perfect something that anyone watching it, you're like that
attention to detail and how nobody is dropping the ball,
dude. Nobody is like, oh, I can just
do it this way. Oh yeah, that's what.
He did. I would.
Make the sound. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the
gimmicks. Like, dude, no.
Oh my. God.
And I want to also remind you that this is so funny.
I mean, it makes sense that you're forgetting.
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Obviously we do a lot of things yes and we do this every week
and this is episode 200 fucking sure, whatever yes, so so many
things. So I looked quickly on the
podcast group yes, so I did the I posted the the episode as we
do like with the podcast group like the little thing with the
links. The date is December 2024. 11
(35:38):
Wow. OK, OK, OK.
So we actually have an episode, episode 199 for you guys.
You can go back and the title ofthe episode is Hong Kong Live
Shows Wish List. Wow.
And my little synopsis thing, itsays as a brand new KITAC
Stadium open, we share our wish list for 2025.
For 2025. It was like good, yeah, that's
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insane. So and then Rahul, who's a good
friend of the podcast, he actually said, and we talked
about this right before before recording and he actually said,
no, they might have done a smaller show.
There is actually a photo from Rahul.
He responded immediately going, hey guys, Hans Zimmer to came to
Hong Kong in 2019. It was amazing when he did The
Dark Knight live. It was incredible.
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And. There's a photo.
But this is you're right also. This feels kind of small.
Way smaller man. Yeah, so this was from Rahul.
So he did come 2019. It actually confirms my other
friend. I was telling you it might have
been Cassie responded. I was going to say, I swear he
came to Hong Kong, not sure when, because I moved in 2019.
You also don't remember. Yeah, so and I said, oh, no, I
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missed it. And it was again, December,
Yeah. 20 December 2024. Yeah.
Cut to I was just looking with the group on like what we said
when we said Hans Zimmer. Yeah.
So and then they go in February,as soon as it goes on sale,
they're like, Oh my God, it's onsale.
And I immediately went, I'm so going to buy a ticket.
Oh my God, day one dude, I the night before I was talking to
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you. I'm like, alright, I'm getting
this price ticket. I go yes, I will go with
whatever. Right.
Yeah. Also knowing me, I don't, I am
not particularly someone who goes like, Oh yeah, just buy
whatever ticket. I always be like, ah, can we sit
like a little far, save money? Yeah.
But for this one, I'm like no, no, no, we will do the right
way. So I literally when I was buying
the tickets, one thing I knew I was like, I am going to sit
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obviously front row. I was a guy that's kind of, if I
was buying things by myself, screw you guys, I would go all
in, right? But I wasn't.
I was buying for other people like, ah, fine.
Yeah. And so I made sure we were.
Well, you also because you're buying for your girlfriend and
your mom, but yeah, yeah, that'sthree people I'm buying for me.
Yeah. So yeah, she totally go nuts and
you go I can. But that's also I want to sit
with you. Yeah, you know, fair enough.
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So, but I made sure I was like, I did my homework.
I studied. I was like, OK, this this zone
is this. I was like, where is the sound
people? Yeah, where is that mixer
person? Because like wherever they are,
they are definitely hearing the best sound in the room.
Of course. Right.
So I was like, wherever they are, I'm going to be right next
to them. Yeah, when I share that on the
podcast group, actually people go like, oh, we didn't know.
It's like an insider tip thing. And I'm like, I thought it's
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common knowledge, but it's not for people who are not, I guess.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, fair enough.
You would assume that, I mean, if it's in front, better.
I mean, in front is not bad. No.
Yeah. But I'm like, obviously the
sound people, they're not going to take the front space because,
like, that's expensive tickets, right?
Yeah. Yeah.
But the fact that they're OK with standing in that position
to hear the room, Yeah, the sound is.
So I'm like, that means it must be of some level to give them an
idea of what quality it is. I'm like, I am making sure
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you're right next to them and like bam, force tickets.
And the whole team is next to us.
And actually I was looking at them, most of them don't even
have headphones on. You have to listen exactly,
which means literally this is the best sound the.
Best sound yeah you know yeah. However, the best thing is that
I'm sure they've done it so manytimes that half of it is pre
programmed anyway. Of course they're not live
mixing everything 100%, I'm sureno, no, but still enough to like
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make small just for all this person playing a bit harder
today. I better slow it down over there
yeah, but yeah. I was like God damn dude.
This is like man, I would go back twice to watch this two
more times. One more time to get the best
God damn ticket possible. Yeah, yeah.
You actually want to sit in the front on this.
Time I want to get my mind blownyeah yeah yeah like literally be
like wow my God right and then the last one is to sit wherever
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I get the best view of that mixer in front of his panel yeah
I just want to watch him and like dude don't worry about me
man got. To me, recording an episode with
somebody, I'm like after like 45minutes I'm like, it did not
record. Exactly, exactly.
This is what I deal with every day, man, you know, So it'll be
a good contrast for me. Yes, but like yeah, the whole
also the the concert is very long.
(39:34):
It's almost 3 hours long. We're like 20 minutes in the
break in the middle. Yeah, but like they do a lot of
yeah like mixes, like medleys ofof their yeah of their songs.
So it's not like one song yeah, yeah, one song.
They. Did I think Inception that time
was the longest, The full one, but that's a short one.
Any was a minute or something. Exactly.
Yeah, yeah. And I think Interstellar did
like the full one as well. The Interstellar song, they did
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the full one as well. Yes, and the for the James Bond,
they did like maybe 3 or 4 songslike mixing in and out the the
main theme obviously, yeah, yeah, but it's like it's one of
these things like you can obviously listen to all of them
on. On Spotify or whatever, Yeah.
But like, it's so fucking incredible to see live.
The coordinate. Also, this is a full orchestra.
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Why is it like 20 people? Yeah, it's insane.
Like they had all them, like these are not just like
whoever's available come down. Like they were the ones, yeah,
who did it. And I was like, shit, this is so
good, Yeah. And then the guy who helped him
wrote with him. The Lion King.
One The Lion King. 1 is so cool because he said like, yeah, they
wrote it together and they worked together for so many
years and that's like, it's so cool.
(40:38):
So touching, man, to be like, wow, that's like 30 years ago.
And you're like, wow. And yeah, you know, this guy for
40 years. We've been doing making music
for that long. I'm like, that is so cool.
That's when you know that you'rearound really good people.
Yeah, I really want to do a goodjob.
And then you're just like, dude,this is a circle I want to be
around. One one of the coolest things I
I saw that I really appreciated that how much he props up his
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team. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which is so cool because you actually like get like, I think
now and dealing with these different kinds of people, like
I don't have a boss, but like seeing people being bosses of
other people. How much bosses act like bosses.
Yeah. It's so to me, it's always so,
you know, frustrating to see because at the end of the day,
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it's like, man, like this can change any day.
Like the person that you are, like being like pulling, like
I'm the boss card on someday they might be, you know, you
boss. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Had enough. Whatever.
But like, he is like almost every time.
Like, look how amazing these guys are.
And I'm sure even on that show or other shows, they might have
fucked up some stuff. Yeah, they might have got a note
(41:42):
wrong or whatever, but he's like, makes a point of like,
yeah, even if it's not true, even if it's rehearsed, it's
like, this is the best guitariston earth.
Like, even saying that coming from someone like Hans Zimmer,
hearing that as a guitarist, whether you believe it or not,
you're like, fuck, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My boss is propping me up in front of all these people.
And that's something that actually stuck with me because
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it's not normal that for bosses to be this good to their
employees for like a better. Well, I mean, like he did admit
during the show that how he doesswear a lot in rehearsal and
which I'm like, I guarantee if he's up this level.
Yeah, dude, I when I I remember reading about Michael Jackson,
he was like, so picky on stuff. Oh yeah.
Like he would make people like, want to breakdown and cry.
Well, Michael Jackson is a different story because when he
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was a kid, he was also fucking abused.
Yeah, but. I mean like, but again, this is
one of those things where I tellpeople like which one do you
want it? Do you want that comfortable but
you do mediocre or do you want that really pain and do
something magnificent? Yeah.
You know, and I think that's thedifferent, that's where the
psycho mentality was on my mind where I'm like, 100% yeah, I'm
like, well, I want to be that level.
Well, that's the price you can pay.
I'm like, OK, let's start paying.
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Yeah. And it's understood in my mind.
So I think that's the thing thatkeeps me going where I'm like,
oh, yeah, I know it's gonna suck.
Yeah, what about it? What's the point here?
Like, dude, you don't need to dothat.
Why? Like, no, people are really
happy with 80%. Like I won 100 and 101.
Yeah, they're like, no, 99 is pretty good.
Like no, I won 101. 101 is that show.
Yeah, that show is like actually100.
And 101 right there, man, like I'm telling everybody, if you
(43:07):
get a chance or your friends anywhere, please tell them.
Kindly tell them don't do the whole on YouTube.
You can find the whole concert on YouTube.
I get it. No, no, no, no.
I promise you are in a place where that tour is, is, is
going. Yeah.
Whatever money it is, honestly, whatever money it is, it's worth
it. It's worth.
I have talked to, obviously it was a big venue and I've ran
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into a lot of friends and I talked to many friends after,
after I posted that I was there.Yeah.
And almost unanimously people said the same words.
This is what money well spent. Money well spent.
It was genuinely money well spent.
Yeah, a couple of funny interactions that happened.
So the actually from our listeners, a bunch of people
also at the show. Yeah, See at the on the podcast
(43:49):
group we, which you can join if you're on the
patreonpatreon.com/hopod, you can join us on the WhatsApp
group. So I mentioned that I went
there, blah, blah, blah. And yeah, so Peter Ballard, a
good friend of ours, also the podcast we talked about,
everyone was amazed. As we said, he appreciated, man
(44:12):
of Rahul appreciated. Man of Steve.
So good. Yeah.
There was a funny part where Hans Zimmer said basically
eluded or not eluded. He actually said that movie that
whichever song this age, the movie was terrible.
Yeah. Yeah, but we like playing it.
Yeah. And people were asking what,
Yeah, what movie was referring to.
So Peter found out answer he he believes it's Dark Phoenix suit.
(44:34):
Sweet. Oh, I've never heard of it.
Yeah. Yeah.
But I think the visuals were like kind of Dark Phoenix's kind
of thing. So it had the cat and all that
stuff like. Yeah, yeah.
So he says that's the one where Wonder Woman goes crazy, which,
which flopped, I've actually never heard of.
Never. Heard of that movie?
There you go. But the song was good, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Wonder Woman.
So yeah, it's highly like he. Did this and then I went on a
crazy rant about speaker of Wonder Woman.
(44:56):
How cool was the lady who the chat, the Chalicello?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he kept calling her Wonder
Woman. Yeah.
And then I. Like the first, in the beginning
of the whole thing, there was Wonder Woman.
She would do that. Yes, I could recognize that.
I'm like, oh, that's so good. Yeah.
I did say that I would like to ask her hand in marriage.
Yeah, yeah. And and then I of course nerded
(45:18):
out and went on a crazy hunt andfound her, found her on
Instagram and her account. I'm not going to tell you
because I'm she's going to be mywife and I'm not going to.
So yeah. So you can look up, it actually
took a little bit of a while because if you look up her, his
regular chalice, she's not the same lady, but yeah, so.
(45:40):
She's now we know. Don't DM her.
Yeah I would DM her. I did already she.
Yeah, well, just let you know the we're running out of time
simply because one of our batteries just died.
Oh, no. Yeah, my account.
OK, well, OK, we can continue with the white and and me.
It's OK anyway. That's OK, but hey, this also
tells you, which is why we need to support on the Patreon.
Oh yeah, to help me charge my batteries.
(46:02):
Yes, yeah, charge the batteries and also there's so much shit
that I would like to like to say, but as this podcast is
genuinely growing bigger, especially after move to Spotify
where people are more, you know,it's people are finding it more
organically. We have to kind of like censor
ourselves a little bit on the onthe main episode.
(46:23):
However, we don't have to do that on the Patreon.
Also. I kept saying that on the
Patreon before, which was true except that there was a button
that I never turned on. I kept saying you can't download
it. Actually for the last many years
I did never turned on the buttonthat says.
Oh, you mean to allow people? To allow.
So now I turn it off so hopefully no one downloaded any
(46:45):
of the other 200 episodes. Did it?
I knew it was an option but I thought it was by default.
Turns out you have to disallow the downloading, so I.
Feel like a Hans Zimmer soundtrack.
Did they download it? Did they download?
It did they download it? Actually, one last thing about
(47:06):
the Hans Zimmer thing. The the level of intensity of
the Pirates of the Caribbean song is mind bending to me.
How much it built, but like before the the the last.
Oh, he did all that with with the yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Before the like the last two
minutes, which is like that likecrazy.
(47:26):
Like it's called the theme is called He's a pirate.
Yeah, It's a famous song before that.
Like the build up to it. Yeah.
It's something that you also cankind of learn from like an
entertainment point of view is that you like you can actually
kind of like build up the the tension.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And how cool, because you are
sitting everybody. Come.
On everybody sitting on the edgeof their.
Seat. When is it?
When is it? When is it?
(47:47):
What is it? It's like a, you know, a DJ,
whatever it's. Like come on, come on, drop it
already. Yeah, absolutely amazing.
Honestly, like one of I think before this I had how was your
best live show experience because we I think.
Broadway, man, that's the surprise of the opera and stuff
of that. Yeah, I was like, goddamn, that
was fantastic in New York. In New York.
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OK, I've never been. Yeah, but I saw it in Hong Kong,
so I'll be like, yeah, I saw theNew York one close up and I was
like, wow, this is insane. Before this one I had a few
close like I saw Stevie Wonder live who was amazing.
Yeah, so good. Definitely not blind.
Different story, but so good. Whether blind or not, I saw
Metallica that. I thought was really good.
(48:28):
Yeah, that was really good. And I saw Yanni live and it was
also really good. And it was like a similar thing
with like an orchestra and whatever.
And I like Yanni. But then this came and just like
blew all of. This out of the water for me.
Honestly, better than all of these shows.
And obviously there's a level oflike, I'm biased because he's
like, like, I've always been a fan and it was literally on my,
(48:52):
you know, wish list. Yeah.
Yeah. And for, for us to see it.
And also it's cool that yeah, we, we kind of manifested it
into, into happening. Yeah, there you go.
So if you were there, you're welcome to share your your
experience with us. You can DM us on.
On what you I was like, wait, the the the bug.
(49:15):
Yeah, yeah. Funny, Vivek is simply my
handles mostly on my social media.
Yeah. Or you got the other Mohammed.
I'm the other Mohammed. The message into our Yeah.
Tell us you were there. Tell us maybe if you saw Hans
Zimmer in other cities, what wasyour experience?
Or if you even saw what was yourtop concert?
Yeah, or top live live show experience?
(49:35):
Let us know. We're about to record a Patreon
after we charge this camera a bit.
Until then, we hope to see you at the live show.
Stand up show. It's going to be equally.
No, I can't say that I cannot promise to be equally as
impressive, but it will be equally well worth the money
that I can promise you because the ticket is way cheaper.
Yeah, yeah. So it's lower your standards is
(49:56):
what you're saying? All right.
Thanks everybody. Thanks for tuning in and we'll
see you next week. See you.
So I reiterate here, the bill isdead.
The story of this great city is about the years before this
night. Hey everyone, this is Ho Ho Hong
(00:23):
Kong with me, Vivek, Mabu Bunny and the other dude.
Who is that other? Dude is here, forgot how to
talk. Yeah, we're recording in the
evening of on on a given day andit's the first time I talk for
the whole day. It is at a time of the abnormal
time ish, on a day that is not the normal day ish, Yes, of the
(00:44):
period that is not the normal period and the voice of the not
the normal voices. Yeah, right.
Exactly. We have that out of the way.
People are listening, probably in the beginning of their week.
They're feeling all the energy. They're like, OK.
And I'm like, what's going on? Yeah, MO is like.
Well, it's it's the weekend for the average, or maybe here it's
(01:04):
the average wank. I don't know the.
Average Jenny. That's the average Jenny.
Yeah, but. For us, it's it's not.
For me it's not. There is no difference, yeah,
between a weekend and a weekday because it's it's all the same.
It's all the same, Yeah. Any Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Thursday, Friday, sometimes Saturday and the fourth Sundays
there. You will remind me that it's
like Buddha's birthday. I'm like, yeah, happy birthday.
(01:26):
I don't know what you want. You're like I include all days
as Buddha's birthday. I don't wait for that day.
I say happy birthday to any Buddha I see.
Sometimes I have a meeting and then people go like, oh, we're
out of town. I'm like, why?
Yeah, like it's the Christmas. And yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, right. Tell me this stuff before you go
out of town. I'm like, what?
What? Yeah, it's, it's, it's hard for,
(01:46):
for this like when you're doing like you are kind of your own
entity, but at the same time it's almost like you are the
product and you are the company.I am the product and the
service. I'm the issue that people have
to deal with. Yes, exactly.
So I'm, I'm a little different because I'm basically like
mostly event production. Yeah, which means there is like
I am the service provider a lot of the times, not necessarily
(02:07):
the product. And those are a whole.
Different. Yeah.
You're the highway, I'm the car.Yes, correct.
Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah.
So I think even for you, like when there are like issues of
whatever shows or something, Yeah, you can answer it so
quickly because you are the product.
Yeah, right. Yeah, while I sometimes have to
check what's going on, but it still falls on me.
(02:27):
Yeah, right. Like the person will chase you.
So what's the answer? You're like, I'm waiting for the
other side to get back to me. I don't care about the other
side. I am in front of them, the
client or the venue or whatever I am that's they're dealing with
me. Yes, I am exactly.
You are, therefore I am, therefore you are.
I'm not happy. So just to let everybody know,
as you can see, you probably at this point in pretty much almost
(02:49):
2 minutes into the podcast, you have no idea what Muhammad's
talking about generally. Now what has happened.
Apparently before we recorded Mohammed confessed to me saying
he was like on this new workout routine.
Yes, when you decided now normally, you know, he
exercises. Okay, we, we know that we yeah,
but he never exercises twice as much.
This time he did the Hong Kong efficiency.
He he was probably thinking likewhat what would Vivek do?
(03:11):
What do you do? Only jogging or what do you
weight lift some weights? If hypothetically, if you are to
exercise for the first time in 20 years, me.
Dude, I go to the gym all the time, man.
You do, dude. You don't know that.
You don't walk around indoors? No, I thought you go to the gym,
but I thought you like, just go and like take phone calls and
stuff. Oh.
No, no, no, no. When I'm at the gym, dude, I'm
always angry. Anybody who see me at the gym
knows that I'm never smiling. I'm always pissed off.
(03:33):
Yeah, again, it comes down to like, I'm either listening to
some angry music, yeah, that's, you know, I'm going to destroy
the world, or it's one of those like, again, motivation stuff
where it's like just yelling at you.
Yeah, like, yeah, everyone else is rubbish.
Only you are. You matter.
And I'm like. Yeah, David.
Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, dude, his stuff.
(03:53):
I'm huge, man. And like and like.
And I hear that stuff, guys. Scares the fuck out of me.
Really, I love it, dude. I can't get enough of it.
I could. I couldn't read, but I knew
every single day I'm going to work a bit harder and one day
I'll be bad at your level, you know, I'm like, I love.
It like that little dumb shit that Instagram throws at me when
he goes like I have money at home, I have a comfort.
Yeah, he's running, he's running.
(04:14):
Anyone could come and take over what I'm doing.
But I will show them that when you're still waking up, I'm
finishing my mile. You know, dude, the best thing
is like I go in the gym and I'm like, whatever, I listen to the
tapes and they're always about, you know, like everyone is
trying to out there to get you. Don't let them pull you down.
And like I'm literally at the gym looking at everyone with my
headphones are they have no ideawhat I'm listening to.
And I'm like, fuck these guys, fuck this guy on the squad bar.
(04:38):
Fuck, fuck you up man, don't. You feel like it's probably like
pitting you too much against everyone else.
They have no idea. They have no idea, but it's good
because like, that way I'm like,I guess so angry who you are.
I'm going to lift that bar. Fuck you.
And I started lifting weights out of anger.
Yeah, I'm going to fucking lift this one more time just to show
you that while you're resting, I'm working.
(04:58):
Stupid. Stupid, Yeah.
Yeah, I didn't do any of the like.
I didn't do it out of any of this spiteful shit.
You. Purely the for health.
Yeah, well, not for health. I do this thing when I just kind
of test my limits to see like how far I can go with something.
Yeah, in general, yeah. So sometimes whether it's like
quitting assert, like quitting sugar, I'm like, yeah, I love
(05:19):
desserts. And yeah, I last for two minutes
for that. Yeah, that was my last Test.
So like, I think because I grew up doing Ramadan, yeah.
So to me, like the, I really believe in the idea of like just
like even if you have access to something and it's so easy that
you should just no, I think it'sthe boot.
I don't know if it's Buddhist. It's a philosophy of practicing
non attachment which I talked about.
Here before we talked about that.
(05:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not to attach.
Yeah, yeah. Not to attach.
I genuinely believe in that. Yeah.
So I think it's cool that, like,either you're not attached to
anything, even if you have access to it, or you just like,
kind of like, push yourself to alimit to see, like, how far you
can go. I think to me it's the same
thing. Yeah.
So, yeah, with the working out, like I've been doing yoga for a
long time and that's like just became part of my routine.
(05:59):
So it's not challenging anymore.I still do it, but it just
became like brushing your teeth.It just you go to yoga, that's
it. So with the working out thing,
I've never liked it. Like I don't like working out.
What about it then? You like the sweating?
The fact that you feel like I picked up the dumbbell, put it
back in or. I think I get bored.
I think I get really bored. Yeah, I like car.
You not intense enough if you have time to be bored.
Yeah, well, that's what I figured.
(06:20):
You're right. You're 100% right.
So once I upped the, the intensity of it, I became, yes,
I became more, I wouldn't say addictive, but it became more
like, you're right. Like it became more, you're
focused on the task. Then like, oh, I don't know what
to do. Yeah, I used to go and be like,
just look at the ceiling and like, whatever.
And now I'm like, because I havea bit more stamina, Yeah.
(06:41):
That I can actually be like, OK,let me lift this thing.
Let me get on this machine whileI'm thinking yeah of the next
thing. And it's just I do like the very
basic like either leg day or like upper body day and that's
it. I don't like fuck around like
too much. For me, I don't, I don't know,
I'll split my days because I have no more time to be like
today's leg. I'm like, dude, this is my
workout day. It's the only thing.
I don't know what I'm gonna workout again.
Oh, yeah, you know, However, you're right.
(07:01):
I one of my workout things is I if I'm able to Daydream, I'm not
working hard. You're right enough.
Yeah, Yeah. Yeah.
So. Yeah, anyway, so, OK, so.
And then, yeah, I'm not. Attaching to the to the
dumbbells? No, not attaching.
Okay. No, they're free and I'm free.
Yeah, both of us are free. Sometimes I pick them up.
Sometimes I put them down. You basically you attach
(07:22):
yourself to it. You do your workout, not attach
them. You put.
Them down. That's the idea, right?
But then I decided to challenge myself even more and join a run
club, which is. Tell everyone what a run club
is. Because like you see, I
understand the idea of a club and running.
Yeah, but the need to have a club of people to run with.
Let's understand this concept. Well, it's, it's more like, I
think people do it for the social thing.
(07:44):
Yeah. Except that like, I am like, I
can be very antisocial. Yeah, in situations where I
don't want to talk to people. And I make it very clear because
I'm the only one in the run clubwho had his earphones in, which
is like. Doesn't understand this logic
behind Muhammad's activities, right?
He joins the community, Yeah, People who are like, let's do
this for the community. Yeah.
He joins them and be like, yeah,fuck you guys.
(08:05):
Yeah, I just want to follow the guy.
Oh, I just that's. It so it's more like peer
pressure. You're trying to get them to
push, correct? I have to run now.
That's exactly right. Wow.
And because I would go run with the dog.
But the dog sometimes, first of all, it's too hot for her now.
And sometimes I like because she's quite independent and
she's off leash 100% of the timenow.
She is a single lady. She's a single lady.
(08:27):
Yes, she doesn't need you. She doesn't need me and she does
her own thing. She's very independent.
Yeah, yeah. Exactly.
But sometimes we go to the waterfront and we run from like
Shanghai, like the Macau ferry pier.
Basically by the time we get to like the ferries wheel, she's
like gassed out because and alsoit's annoying for me because I
look back and she's like sniffing around.
She's pacing with something. So it's like it breaks up the
(08:48):
momentum too much. I think, I think honestly, if I
if I had adult this like yours and yeah, you know, she was
trying to do her own thing. Yeah and when I see a gas start,
I will go up to her and just do like push ups just to piss her.
I be like, that's right. Or you couldn't handle it, could
you, huh. You were all like, I don't need
you. I don't need this shit.
I can do my own thing And now look at you.
Look. At you shut the fuck up and also
people stop sometimes to like play with her.
(09:09):
I'm like, we're running. Yeah, yeah.
And because it's very sensitive to noise, so if somebody like
drops something or whatever, sheactually she almost tripped me a
couple of times. She just run in front of me.
She stopped or run in front of me and I almost fell.
I'm like OK, that's not that's it.
No more dog. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. So now as I said, but I don't
have the discipline and I think This is why I do the whole non
(09:31):
attachment thing or whatever because if it's up to me, I just
want to sit at home all day. I don't want to work, I don't
want to work out. Yeah, I don't want to eat.
Like honestly dude, like I am sofucking not like like a
comfortable environment is not good for me.
Dude This is why you need to puton headphones and check out
those motivation tapes. David Goggins going to say be
(09:51):
comfortable being uncomfortable.Yeah, well, I accept that.
I don't need some guy to yell atme.
I need to yell at me. So why do?
I have my own David card. You shouldn't you listen to the
tape, Yeah. And then have a mic recording it
and then you play that recordingback to yourself.
It's the exact same thing they're saying.
But see you telling yourself, yeah, it's mostly you life hack
that shit out. Whereas like Mohammed telling
(10:12):
Mohammed and you're like, it's all meta, but you're running.
And then this is like a past Muhammad and like, fuck you,
man. You know what?
Every time you don't run, I get to all that shit.
And do it like when we have like, a good month of work or
whatever. Whatever.
Yeah. And then like there is like, you
know, company made some money and I can finally pay myself the
ones out of six months every year.
(10:33):
Yeah. Like the literally my first
inclination is to go to Big House and buy 24 XR.
It's like, I'm not even joking. Yeah, but to the extreme.
Yeah. Which is so fucking stupid
because I'm like, if I do that they're just diabetes.
Like yes, it's so. Bad.
But it's fair though, like the whole self reward thing.
This is the one thing with adults is that adulthood you can
(10:53):
technically reward yourself whenever, right?
Yes, I know, man. Let me say for anybody, I bet
everybody who listen to this hasat some point be like, you know,
I, I deserve this. Yeah.
And let's be honest, you don't deserve it.
No, you don't. Yeah.
Because, like David Gaga said, because.
Well, I also push myself again to the to the extreme of aside
from the running and the workout, I also had to get out
(11:14):
of the house to get work done. Yeah, but like, it's so stupid
to like go to a coffee shop and everything.
So I actually this is where you will judge me and I know that.
Here we go. Yes, let's do this.
This is I know this is extreme. Let me guess.
OK. Yeah, you can.
Guess here we go. This is so you're saying that
you don't stay at home to work, right?
Because. You get, no, I can't.
(11:34):
I get too distracted. It's too nice and too comfort.
And there's Netflix and dog and snacks.
Yeah. So I'm like, this is bullshit.
I'm just leaving. But you don't do the coffee
shop. No, I, I, I was going to the
coffee shops like for a few times I'm like, it's not working
because I'm also like, I think it's the whole thing.
I'm not pressured enough to like.
Yeah, you're like the cafe working.
Yeah. So what?
Yeah, exactly. Guess where I could work?
(11:56):
I could work. Or what motivates me to really
like oh shit now I really need to work?
All right, I'm guessing you takethe MTR and you'll get yourself
from, let's say saying poon all the way to Taiwan.
And when you hit the end, you have to get up.
So I got to finish this e-mail, but otherwise go to the I go to
the the depot. Man, no, because you're
forgetting a part where I'm alsolazy.
It's. I don't want to go too far.
No, but like, you get out, he has to walk down the wait.
(12:18):
Oh, that shame. Yeah, so you show 1 all the way
channel, that's 27 minutes. No, that's too.
Far, actually. But you don't move, you sit on
the train. I know, but and you walk into
the train and sitting with that's so I'm going to make it
easier for you. It's something within literal
walking distance from. The garden area right outside
your house. Yeah, well, I would cool beans.
Cool beans, you got a cool beans.
(12:39):
It's not. It's too fun and too.
Fun. Yeah, it's near your house.
You go away at work. I think, OK, I'm going to make
it easier for you. I I had to give myself immense
financial pressure to actually be like, oh, I have to make this
worth it. Oh you got a Co working space?
Yes, but are you serious? Extreme.
Not even a regular Co working space.
(13:00):
You owe one of those like private office.
Spaces what? What did I get?
I'm guessing it was one of thosethose you don't have the private
rooms. No, not not that.
But this kind of thing? A mix of all of this, but like
for fancy people that I shouldn't be there for.
Wait, you, you rented another? You rented an office space.
No, I joined Soho House. I joined.
(13:24):
Oh my for. Legitimately to be like, this is
too expensive, I'm going to go there every day.
Fair enough. Yeah, that.
Works. Do it.
It works like fucking magic. Yeah, because I'm too.
And it's like definitely not forpeople like high level of
income. Yeah, because it's unstable for
me. Yeah, it's like, it's not, but I
joined it legitimately for the pressure of like, I'm paying too
(13:47):
much money for this. Dude, I really don't.
Have to go every single day. Whatever you're paying them,
Yeah, I'll try just $10 less to come into this room every day to
fucking work. Yeah, but you can't.
That's the thing. You can't get me to work.
No one can. Only I can get me to work.
Yeah, but then you're paying thesame, You're paying a little bit
less than that one. It still hurts.
But are you going to like beat me to work?
(14:09):
I have speakers in this room. Can you be like, you got to be
incredible? To me, but that's the funny
part, it's like Crystal House isalso nice, but like I can go
there and fuck around because it's like whatever.
Like, yeah, because you have a peer pressure of seeing people
like these, these guys are. Legit.
Not just that. Honestly the only pressure I
have now is how expensive it is that I have to make it worth it
for me. Yeah, fair enough.
That's it. So you can use the gym and get
(14:30):
your clothes washed there as. Well, I can.
I don't know about the clothes. I did.
I should ask about this, people say.
That yeah, you can. Get it?
I should ask SO House members right in.
Right. Yeah, I have to remember.
There, I mean I go to the gym there and but I didn't know but
I will ask. You know what you should do?
I I here's another thing you cando is that try to notice the
times when people are having allthose fancy meetings.
(14:51):
Yeah, Right. And go at that time.
Yeah. Then just being around people
who seem like they're getting shit done.
Yeah. Like, man, I got to get
something done, man. The funny part is that there is
a lot of rules that I did like the little induction thing for
the new members. Yeah, you're not supposed to
like the the working spaces are mostly the two top floors, 27
and 29, and the 27 is mostly where people work during the
(15:12):
day. You are not supposed to take
phone calls at all. So you actually have to, yeah,
you have to like go into like the little room thing.
Like there is like a little. Private room.
Private room to take a call. So in a way they want people to
hang out, but they also don't want it to be like a Co working
space where. Everyone was like, a lot of
recreation clubs do that where they're like, we don't want
people to ask, so tell me, John,what's going on?
I was like, shut up, dude. So the one of the cutest things
(15:34):
and shout out to my buddy Crystal Tolani, who I ride the
minibus. We mentioned her a couple of
weeks ago. As soon as I joined, I looked in
the app and I realized she's a member and then we connected.
I'm like, oh, where are you? So I just went and found her
desk table thing and now she's like my work buddy.
Oh, nice. Which is really good because
again, I need like this other like more.
(15:56):
Yeah, yeah, more pressure to be like, hey, what are you doing?
Are you not at work? Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Are you scrolling on your phone for two hours?
So now, yeah, Now I have a work buddy as well.
It's super bizarre for a guy that Ramadan.
Yeah. You have terrible discipline.
Yes. No, no, I don't get this.
It's not good. Like, I could if I need to force
my like, I can't do it with the sugar.
Yeah, but give me like work. I'm like, dude, I'm not going
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nowhere till this is done. Yeah.
Well, wow, this is interesting. Yeah.
Yeah, I never thought of that with it.
Do you? I think I, I, you know, the
more, the more I I think of it, the, and the older I get to
whatever, the more I read, I realized, and this is completely
self self diagnose, diagnose. Y yeah, it's, I think it's a
level of ADHD that I can really,if I'm not really into
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something, it's almost impossible to get.
That's everyone, dude. Yeah, that's everyone.
Yeah, but like, as opposed to most people, sometimes you're
like, oh, I'm going to tell my boss that or whatever, whatever.
I'm like, I don't have that pressure right.
Yeah, but I mean, like, you OK. Oh, yeah, Yeah.
So the lack of interest because you're not just in that thing.
I think that's everyone number one.
However, yeah, I guess the idea of like, I just don't give a
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shit at all, regardless of consequences.
Yes. Now, I don't think that's ADHD.
That's just Dick, Dick. A Dick, yeah, it's not like I
don't get like honestly, when it's other people's stuff, I
care more. But for here's a real, current
real life example. Like we're recording in like
middle of May and I have my actual Hong Kong visa like
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renewal in two weeks. I'm almost done.
It's like whatever, whatever. So a bunch of notes that a bunch
of documents that I I did a few years in a row.
So I know it, but there is one particular letter that I'm just
like, I hate doing and I can't just copy paste the thing from
the last couple of years or whatever.
I have to rewrite it. It's basically like a business
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plan for the next three years. I have to be really detailed.
Yeah. And I just don't wanna do it.
And it's like, I really don't wanna do it and it's very
difficult. Yeah, but it's like a lot of
people, they, they have to get that deadline, you know, to push
them. So my deadline is in two weeks,
but I. Do like in 10 days.
Maybe, Yeah, yeah, I just like and I have other, that's the
thing, like there's other tasks that come in new tasks are not
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as urgent. Yeah, yeah, but they're more
enjoyable. You vacuum your floor first and
all that shit. Yeah, yeah, but no.
So now that's why I had to get the fuck out of the house.
I don't do that because I have like 15 plants.
Yeah. And the whole day instead of
doing the one letter I'm actually looking at my plants,
looking up like oh this leaf is like getting all crinkling.
Yeah what the fuck is going on? 2 hours later I'm on Reddit
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slash house plans. Well, fucking the people.
Well in case anyone has the sameproblem as you I just let you
know Tabo is having their 618 discount so good for me to go
there and wait another 4 hours buying shitty.
Didn't know you need it dude. I I that happens to me.
However, I maybe through discipline, whatever, I have no
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idea. But I, I once I get into the
rabbit hole, yeah, I will lose my shit.
Yeah, OK. However, it's very rare I'll
allow myself to go to the rabbithole for something that I don't
think is going to have any productive value because I know
I'm like, yeah, I'm, I, I, you. Clearly haven't been on
subreddit of house plants because it's very enjoyable.
Let me tell you man. Regardless of how little
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information. You get.
I get it man. Now.
People fight all the time because there is just like that
culture of shaming of like, yeah, yeah, basically every
problem is you just need to stopwatering your plant.
That's. Yeah, yeah.
It's over watered. You relax.
Water every time, so fuck you. But you're like, no, maybe just
one more thing will tell me something.
It's a new. Like Nope, it's over watering
dude. Everybody's just over watering.
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Yeah, just relax, man. You know, you're trying too hard
now. Yeah, yeah, I'll be honest with
you, man. I get, I do the same thing, like
I say when I look at gadgets or whatever I want, I'm interested
in buying, let's just say like acamera lens, right?
I'll go on YouTube and I have towatch every single review
everyone, until I search the whole the word, I can't find
anything about it. Then I'm like, OK, I think I can
convince that I should get that,you know?
So I know what you mean. However, maybe I've designed my
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life or like, somehow structuredin a way where I've avoided or
not had to deal with things I desperately hate.
Yeah, except if it's like, let'ssay typical admin shit, right?
You can't get away with that, right?
Yeah, I get the reply as e-mail.No, you're right.
I mean, I'm the same that like Idon't like, of course I'm in
this business myself as well as I'm like, I don't want to do
anything like I hate. Yeah, and I don't do it like I
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don't have that for the most part.
Same like you, which is why we're doing what we do.
But there are some admin parts, I think, between you and me.
The difference is that like you are very much like go, go, go.
Yeah, because of your own. Exactly.
And to me, I'm like, I just hatethis.
Like I really hate. It oh, dude, like I, I put it
this way, I've, I've developed this mentality of like what I
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call like the gun to the head mentality where I'm like, I
either do it now or I'm going toget screwed because I know
tsunami is going to hit me next in the next hour with some
urgent matter that all of a sudden I'm like, Oh my God, I
got to deal with this now I'm screwed.
So like, it's, it's a good thingwhere like I have this strong
discipline to be like, I'm getting it done now.
I don't care. I'm not speaking so dumb.
The bad thing is that when even if I know next morning, I'm, I'm
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open. Yeah, I can go sleep first.
It's like, dude, you can do it tomorrow.
You have nothing happening. But I don't know, something's
gonna happen. That's the difference because
sometimes, yeah, we would recordand you need to do the thing the
adding the intro outro and you send it to me at like 3:00 AM.
Yeah. And we had already talked and I
know the next day you don't haveanything.
I'm like, why are you doing it? Now I'm like, I can't I because
tomorrow my computer's gonna crash or I'm gonna lose this
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data, or I. Mean that's that's more
productive, I think, but it's also not good for your house.
I guess so, yeah, it's one of those things where, you know,
like how you have those athletesand stuff where they really go
like the the MMA fighters where they'll break their arm to win.
Yes, yes, I believe like I have the same mentality from an
emotional point of view or mental point of view.
Physically I'm not breaking shitfor that.
But mentally I'll be like, dude,I will break my brain if I need
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to. Yeah, true.
To get that thing done. I mean, it's very interesting
like, and I wish more people whoare like self-employed or like
maybe owners of like SM ES yeah would get in touch or talk to us
about how they handle it becausethere is a few things like you,
we talked about this before. You don't you have no intention
to hiring people. No, you just exactly just I, I
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do because I think it's again like part of and I started
reading about it as well. Delegation is the key.
I'll admit that. Delegation.
Every book tells me that dude, you can't expand with your
child. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So what I have developed is my goal is no longer humans is as
long as it's like it can be AI, it could be software.
I will not. I do not.
I prefer not to hire a human. So I'd rather until when AI gets
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good enough where it's like pretty much human.
I'm like, I trust you because you know what difference is?
AI runs on electricity, not emotions.
Yeah, there's no like, I don't want to tell you this.
Like what? Yeah.
What? Yeah.
Well, you have you are not watching the AI like robots
going rogue videos that are coming out of China every month
now. There is one was like like I
think they had like a safety harness on it.
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Otherwise it was just like trying to beat the shit out of
the engineers. Yeah, it's so fucking scary.
And he was like going around. It's trying to turn it off.
But The thing is metal. So it's just like, it's like it
hits him in the head. It's game over.
It's it's yeah, it's yeah. I don't want to be like that guy
of like, oh the. Let me clarify the I meant
software, none of the hardware. Shit man, I'll pick that fling
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myself. You tell me what to pick up,
I'll pick it up myself. Thank you.
Yeah, I mean, it's only a matterof time if that robot is going
rogue or whatever. The software can also go rogue
right? Like it can be like oh I changed
all your passwords haha. Yeah, yeah.
And then that's it. Yeah.
That that could happen. I mean, I guess if that day does
come, hopefully you'll be in like 30 years time.
Yes. And by that time I'll be
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returned. Jokes on you a bitch.
You messed up. Yeah, we'll see, man.
I mean, honestly, at the end of the day, dude, you can't win so.
No, you can't win. I I think it's moving too fast,
but going back speak of moving too fast.
So going back to my, my, my crazy, the reason you mentioned
all of this is like the whole workout slash running thing.
Yeah, that I got myself into because I need to, yeah, like
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basically. Also I have this problem.
Yeah, what's the objective here?Well, the objective is that I
have too much energy at night and not every night is a show
you. Know why you have too much
energy at night? Because I used to work in call
centers. That number one, Number two,
you're fucking checking subreddits during the day.
Yes, that energy is not being used.
Properly, man, it's not. Dude, by the night time man, I
just crash into my pillow. I'm like, dude, like.
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I mean, yeah, I should just exactly.
I should have more things duringthe day that like keeps me
physically like moving. I think what you should do I'm.
Just working admin like it's allof it is almost admin at this
point. Meetings.
Admin calls Yeah by 12 hours, just 12 AM 12:00 PM.
Is that working day or what are you?
Saying whatever. So you think you're actually
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12:00 AM, but it's actually 12:00 PM in the afternoon
Monday, but you put your class at 12 AM and maybe psychologist
subconsciously you guys like it's tired to work.
Yeah, no, I wake up early. That's the thing.
I wake up early regardless. So that's why I'm like, I need
to change this whole system. So I wake up early and then, you
know, it takes like an hour to like drink coffee and walk the
dog and have like light breakfast or whatever.
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So by the time I actually start working, it's like 10:30, right?
Yeah. So and now I just like walk this
whole house. So that's like a lot of like
time. It's.
I mean, like what you're doing now is one of those things where
they trigger your brain like this environment.
Like it's work mode. Exactly.
Yeah, it's work mode. There's a very big difference.
And I mean, the downside, aside from it being expensive for me,
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don't come for me, it's expensive for, but it's like for
other like people who are working there.
You're right. You're seeing people who are
like, oh, those are like young professionals doing.
I can't be sitting here doing nothing even though I can't like
look at what they're doing. I think it's also funny because
maybe if we zoom out, everyone is just like playing like
looking at them for sure lookingat each other, also looking at
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like Instagram and shit. Everyone's like, oh, look at me,
I have a. Suit yeah we we doing more yeah
yeah, I can imagine that I'll put it this way is like it's
also one of my things where I'm a firm believer when I go to the
gym I'm I want to go to like let's say I go to people know
that right they'll see me over there and like I will try my
best to go to let's say the one in Kinwick because I feel that
people over there during the daytime yeah they're clearly
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self-employed they're not working at 4:00 in the afternoon
they're working in an office butlike they're the type where like
I'm here for my workout shut thefuck up let's get over their
lives right and that's what I appreciate the most because like
when people see me that's just aquick hi OK, cool get on with it
I got stuff to do I'm like perfect yes and I think you're
right the environment definitelythat makes a difference and also
that trigger thing where you're like I'm here now so I got to
get. I'm here now and I was also
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thinking about it. There's something, I guess I was
trying to write a joke about it.There's something really funny
about the our parents generation, how they had to go
to the office like the everyone.Like there's no work from home
in the fucking 70s, so they haveto go to the office of so.
All the housewives are like fuckyou away from home.
Yes, exactly. And so they're, yeah, they're
doing homework. Yeah.
(26:42):
Yeah, so whatever, they went to office and then just literally
over the last four or five years, the work from whole
culture had become so big, yeah,because of COVID blah, blah.
And then at least for me personally and maybe people like
who are in the same mentality went, no, you actually need to
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leave the house. Yeah.
So actually the whole idea was going to the office is the right
thing. Yeah, you have to leave the
house even though it's so comfortable or so like appealing
to be like, oh, I can work for home and good.
It's like, no, but like you needthat separation.
And now having done both sides for almost equal amount of
years, like ideally you want to get out of the house but still
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not work for people or not do something you don't want to do,
which is where I am now. Yeah.
So it's almost the most ideal situation.
Like I'm getting out of the house, but I'm doing something
that I'm enjoying. Yeah, right.
As opposed to getting out of thehouse and going to a job.
You don't care about, right? Yeah, yeah.
But the part of like, oh, I can do this for myself and work from
home, you need to be a differentkind of beast, which is, I mean,
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what you are I. Think so basically the work from
home thing, if you really want to dig deep, I did a lot of
study and research before where,how do you kind of get into work
mode, right. So there's many ways #1 when I
in my, in the previous place, mybedroom was my office, yeah.
So what I'd have to do is I'd have certain light setups.
So then the light is only shining on my desk and I can't
really see the bed technically. And then the room's kind of
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dull. So I think the desk is the only
thing that exists. Yes.
And I would never lay on my bed to, you know, think about work.
It would be only resting, Yeah. And it's one of those things
where, yeah, you build it enoughwhere like a moment your body
goes into this chair and gets tothis computer.
Like OK, this is what? This is work.
Yeah. So it's, it's weird for me
because like now a lot of times what I find is that once I sit
on a chair, my stress level goesup.
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It's like this is work even whenI'm you're.
Supposed to be stressed at. Work yeah, you're like I'm going
to work more now let's get to work.
So then I had to start thinking about OK, I don't want to have
the stress level when I'm tryingto write comedy and everything,
so I got to think about a different desk or different kind
of setup and everything. So, yeah, if you really want to
do the work from home thing, thebest thing you can do is to have
the same room if you need to, ifthat's all you got and use
lighting or some sort of environmental change, whether
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it's like a different table or adifferent chair or a different
wallpaper, whatever you need to do, man.
And that's why like now in this place will be sure I have the
little quote UN quote separate office, which actually is now
like the place I spend 90% of mytime in the house.
Yeah, and it's stressful. Every time I walk in my car, I
just, it's a 10. Your setup is also quite
intense, right? Because you have like a, you
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know the screen and the and. The the hood and all that stuff,
yeah. Yeah.
So what for me, this is the problem is that as a person from
a designer background and havingdone all that research about,
you know, how to calculate, calibrate your monitor and
everything, even though I'm not a professional photographer nor
do my photos have to be color calibrated.
Yeah. Or color accurate.
I'm like, no, I want to make sure my color is accurate.
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Sure. Like, dude, nobody's giving a
shit. I'm like, we don't want that
poster comes out. Yeah, I want that skin tone to
be correct. Of course, like nobody gives it
the goose off. Well.
You give a shit that's. The.
Thing. But that's a cool thing.
You're holding yourself to a certain standard.
Oh yeah, man, that's my double edged sword.
Where like, oh, you think this guy is?
No, I'm not, I don't care what you think.
Yes, yeah, doing. It for me, it for me.
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It's you're like those chicks are like, I'm wearing this for
me. I don't care what you are.
Yeah, exactly. It's all about me.
The only person I'm trying to compete with is myself.
But it's true. It's one of the weird things
where I've developed it to a point now where literally the
whole thing can go on. Like for example, just my
Australia tour and that poster man, like that poster itself,
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Like the resolution this is thatI was like, I need a precisely
perfect. The lighting's everything and
I'm like. But it is cool because we need
more people like yourself and atleast in our industry, because
especially in the scene here in Hong Kong, there is a lot of
amateur hour. It's not necessarily because we
are amazing. It's because a lot of people are
doing it for fun. Yeah, Even if they are
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pretending that they're like, oh, I'm going to take it to a
nice level. But you're not, though, because
you're not doing a lot of the work that shows that you're
actually dedicated to this. You're not showing up to open
mics, for example. You're not writing new material,
blah, blah, blah, stuff like this.
So we need people like you are like, Oh, no, this is this is
the standard. Yeah, the standard.
Like we all know if Vivek is doing his own show.
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Yeah, like it's going to be a certain.
Way it has to be there. It has to be yeah, exactly.
Or something's all right you're like there's someone fucked up,
man. It's not him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's.
I think The thing is that when you are at that level, you enter
into a world where if you sustain it long enough, people
start noticing it. And then what happens, as you
just said, is that they know that this equals that.
Yes. And so then there's there's a
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level of assurance with like I, you know, if he's DMC, we're
gonna have good time. It's cool.
Yeah. Right.
However, at the same time, therehave been times when people see
it, they're like, did someone fuck up?
I'm like, I'm not here to, I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not the
one. Well.
It's a problem because, yeah, the audience, the show, that the
scene is not mature enough to understand that you doing a
spot, Yeah, doesn't mean you're producing the show.
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It's nothing to do with me it. Has nothing to do with you.
Yeah, yes, but sometimes you would see you on a shitty show.
And be like these gigs, you know?
Oh shit, yeah. Is that the Vivek guy?
That everyone. 'S talking about, yeah.
Yeah, that's it. Like why is the spotlight like
on his? Yeah, the back of his head.
That's. Weird, I guess that's what he
does. I mean, maybe I mishear.
I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaking of spotlight in the back of your head, people, let
me just tell you something. I have seen something in my lap
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that I think I'll never Unsee. An experience I've had where I
think if I could do it again, I would pay twice as much to go
experience it. Oh, yeah.
It's something that I feel like I am so grateful that I went and
I and and with no hesitation forced everyone around me like
you were going. I don't give a shit.
Well, that actually started on the podcast.
Did you know that like the wholeidea of going there to.
Well, yeah. Oh, really?
Yeah, It's not in the podcast. Do it a few months ago.
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Yeah, we thought we're doing it.Yeah.
No, we actually said we had an episode when we talked about our
dream shows or whatever, and that was before it was even.
Yes, really, dude? I was telling you or your mom
the other day that like, I thinkwe manifested it into existence.
Oh, there you go. There is an episode when we cut
this, we can cut back to that. Episode, we figure it out.
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Somebody in turn do the research.
I'm not doing it. Yeah.
Yeah, no, we said like it was like maybe February or whatever.
Yeah. And we have an episode that goes
like, what are our dream list of, like live shows and stuff
like this in Hong Kong? Yeah, possibly.
And we actually said. Hans Zimmer, we.
Specifically, said Hans Zimmer. And both of us agreed, like, oh
shit, that'll be epic. And I think we might have even
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mentioned like our favorite songs and like Pirates of the
Caribbean and this and that. And then what happens is that
someone from the podcast group actually go listens to the
episode Go. They just went on sale.
Yeah, cuz like, no, no, I remember seeing a poster of Hans
Zimmer live in Hong Kong on Elgin St. walking up home and
I'm like, what? And that was few days before it
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goes on sale. Cuz I remember the end of
February that went on sale. Yes, yes.
And I remember thinking about that and you probably told me,
yeah, it's going on sale this day.
This is legit. This is really happening.
So in case you're thinking like,wait, are these referring to
Hans Zimmer? Yes, Hans Zimmer Live.
If you saw it, congratulations my friend.
You have experienced something that I believe you will remember
the rest of your life. If you missed that show, he's
doing shows in the rest of Go toChina and everything.
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I would literally recommend trying to reroute your work to
go to that's in Shanghai and watch that show.
Let me tell you, I've seen many live shows.
I've seen Metallica live, I've seen different bands live, I've
seen Broadway. I went to New York.
I've seen stuff like Back to theFuture, which I said was
fantastic when I was in London watching that show.
Yep. And I watched Hans Zimmer live
and let me just say as a person who listens a lot of music, does
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listen to his music as well. Not specifically only
Interstellar and stuff like that, but man, the whole show,
production, the the quality of just the light design.
Let me say as a person who does know how to appreciate good
quality lighting, yeah. Oh man, I was like losing my
shit. I'm like, dude, this is another
level. Oh my God.
There were so many things that you're like, it's actually all
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the same kind of big. I, I don't pretend that these
episodes have a bigger point, but I think we're kind of like
the bigger theme of the episodes, like work, like
discipline and like, you know how to like, like people quality
control yourself and stuff like this.
And that's an, that's a perfect example of how much you can
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perfect something that anyone watching it, you're like that
attention to detail and how nobody is dropping the ball,
dude. Nobody is like, oh, I can just
do it this way. Oh yeah, that's what.
He did. I would.
Make the sound. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the
gimmicks. Like, dude, no.
Oh my. God.
And I want to also remind you that this is so funny.
I mean, it makes sense that you're forgetting.
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Obviously we do a lot of things yes and we do this every week
and this is episode 200 fucking sure, whatever yes, so so many
things. So I looked quickly on the
podcast group yes, so I did the I posted the the episode as we
do like with the podcast group like the little thing with the
links. The date is December 2024. 11
(35:38):
Wow. OK, OK, OK.
So we actually have an episode, episode 199 for you guys.
You can go back and the title ofthe episode is Hong Kong Live
Shows Wish List. Wow.
And my little synopsis thing, itsays as a brand new KITAC
Stadium open, we share our wish list for 2025.
For 2025. It was like good, yeah, that's
(36:01):
insane. So and then Rahul, who's a good
friend of the podcast, he actually said, and we talked
about this right before before recording and he actually said,
no, they might have done a smaller show.
There is actually a photo from Rahul.
He responded immediately going, hey guys, Hans Zimmer to came to
Hong Kong in 2019. It was amazing when he did The
Dark Knight live. It was incredible.
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And. There's a photo.
But this is you're right also. This feels kind of small.
Way smaller man. Yeah, so this was from Rahul.
So he did come 2019. It actually confirms my other
friend. I was telling you it might have
been Cassie responded. I was going to say, I swear he
came to Hong Kong, not sure when, because I moved in 2019.
You also don't remember. Yeah, so and I said, oh, no, I
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missed it. And it was again, December,
Yeah. 20 December 2024. Yeah.
Cut to I was just looking with the group on like what we said
when we said Hans Zimmer. Yeah.
So and then they go in February,as soon as it goes on sale,
they're like, Oh my God, it's onsale.
And I immediately went, I'm so going to buy a ticket.
Oh my God, day one dude, I the night before I was talking to
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you. I'm like, alright, I'm getting
this price ticket. I go yes, I will go with
whatever. Right.
Yeah. Also knowing me, I don't, I am
not particularly someone who goes like, Oh yeah, just buy
whatever ticket. I always be like, ah, can we sit
like a little far, save money? Yeah.
But for this one, I'm like no, no, no, we will do the right
way. So I literally when I was buying
the tickets, one thing I knew I was like, I am going to sit
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obviously front row. I was a guy that's kind of, if I
was buying things by myself, screw you guys, I would go all
in, right? But I wasn't.
I was buying for other people like, ah, fine.
Yeah. And so I made sure we were.
Well, you also because you're buying for your girlfriend and
your mom, but yeah, yeah, that'sthree people I'm buying for me.
Yeah. So yeah, she totally go nuts and
you go I can. But that's also I want to sit
with you. Yeah, you know, fair enough.
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So, but I made sure I was like, I did my homework.
I studied. I was like, OK, this this zone
is this. I was like, where is the sound
people? Yeah, where is that mixer
person? Because like wherever they are,
they are definitely hearing the best sound in the room.
Of course. Right.
So I was like, wherever they are, I'm going to be right next
to them. Yeah, when I share that on the
podcast group, actually people go like, oh, we didn't know.
It's like an insider tip thing. And I'm like, I thought it's
(38:09):
common knowledge, but it's not for people who are not, I guess.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, fair enough.
You would assume that, I mean, if it's in front, better.
I mean, in front is not bad. No.
Yeah. But I'm like, obviously the
sound people, they're not going to take the front space because,
like, that's expensive tickets, right?
Yeah. Yeah.
But the fact that they're OK with standing in that position
to hear the room, Yeah, the sound is.
So I'm like, that means it must be of some level to give them an
idea of what quality it is. I'm like, I am making sure
(38:31):
you're right next to them and like bam, force tickets.
And the whole team is next to us.
And actually I was looking at them, most of them don't even
have headphones on. You have to listen exactly,
which means literally this is the best sound the.
Best sound yeah you know yeah. However, the best thing is that
I'm sure they've done it so manytimes that half of it is pre
programmed anyway. Of course they're not live
mixing everything 100%, I'm sureno, no, but still enough to like
(38:53):
make small just for all this person playing a bit harder
today. I better slow it down over there
yeah, but yeah. I was like God damn dude.
This is like man, I would go back twice to watch this two
more times. One more time to get the best
God damn ticket possible. Yeah, yeah.
You actually want to sit in the front on this.
Time I want to get my mind blownyeah yeah yeah like literally be
like wow my God right and then the last one is to sit wherever
(39:14):
I get the best view of that mixer in front of his panel yeah
I just want to watch him and like dude don't worry about me
man got. To me, recording an episode with
somebody, I'm like after like 45minutes I'm like, it did not
record. Exactly, exactly.
This is what I deal with every day, man, you know, So it'll be
a good contrast for me. Yes, but like yeah, the whole
also the the concert is very long.
(39:34):
It's almost 3 hours long. We're like 20 minutes in the
break in the middle. Yeah, but like they do a lot of
yeah like mixes, like medleys ofof their yeah of their songs.
So it's not like one song yeah, yeah, one song.
They. Did I think Inception that time
was the longest, The full one, but that's a short one.
Any was a minute or something. Exactly.
Yeah, yeah. And I think Interstellar did
like the full one as well. The Interstellar song, they did
(39:55):
the full one as well. Yes, and the for the James Bond,
they did like maybe 3 or 4 songslike mixing in and out the the
main theme obviously, yeah, yeah, but it's like it's one of
these things like you can obviously listen to all of them
on. On Spotify or whatever, Yeah.
But like, it's so fucking incredible to see live.
The coordinate. Also, this is a full orchestra.
(40:16):
Why is it like 20 people? Yeah, it's insane.
Like they had all them, like these are not just like
whoever's available come down. Like they were the ones, yeah,
who did it. And I was like, shit, this is so
good, Yeah. And then the guy who helped him
wrote with him. The Lion King.
One The Lion King. 1 is so cool because he said like, yeah, they
wrote it together and they worked together for so many
years and that's like, it's so cool.
(40:38):
So touching, man, to be like, wow, that's like 30 years ago.
And you're like, wow. And yeah, you know, this guy for
40 years. We've been doing making music
for that long. I'm like, that is so cool.
That's when you know that you'rearound really good people.
Yeah, I really want to do a goodjob.
And then you're just like, dude,this is a circle I want to be
around. One one of the coolest things I
I saw that I really appreciated that how much he props up his
(41:00):
team. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which is so cool because you actually like get like, I think
now and dealing with these different kinds of people, like
I don't have a boss, but like seeing people being bosses of
other people. How much bosses act like bosses.
Yeah. It's so to me, it's always so,
you know, frustrating to see because at the end of the day,
(41:20):
it's like, man, like this can change any day.
Like the person that you are, like being like pulling, like
I'm the boss card on someday they might be, you know, you
boss. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Had enough. Whatever.
But like, he is like almost every time.
Like, look how amazing these guys are.
And I'm sure even on that show or other shows, they might have
fucked up some stuff. Yeah, they might have got a note
(41:42):
wrong or whatever, but he's like, makes a point of like,
yeah, even if it's not true, even if it's rehearsed, it's
like, this is the best guitariston earth.
Like, even saying that coming from someone like Hans Zimmer,
hearing that as a guitarist, whether you believe it or not,
you're like, fuck, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My boss is propping me up in front of all these people.
And that's something that actually stuck with me because
(42:02):
it's not normal that for bosses to be this good to their
employees for like a better. Well, I mean, like he did admit
during the show that how he doesswear a lot in rehearsal and
which I'm like, I guarantee if he's up this level.
Yeah, dude, I when I I remember reading about Michael Jackson,
he was like, so picky on stuff. Oh yeah.
Like he would make people like, want to breakdown and cry.
Well, Michael Jackson is a different story because when he
(42:23):
was a kid, he was also fucking abused.
Yeah, but. I mean like, but again, this is
one of those things where I tellpeople like which one do you
want it? Do you want that comfortable but
you do mediocre or do you want that really pain and do
something magnificent? Yeah.
You know, and I think that's thedifferent, that's where the
psycho mentality was on my mind where I'm like, 100% yeah, I'm
like, well, I want to be that level.
Well, that's the price you can pay.
I'm like, OK, let's start paying.
(42:45):
Yeah. And it's understood in my mind.
So I think that's the thing thatkeeps me going where I'm like,
oh, yeah, I know it's gonna suck.
Yeah, what about it? What's the point here?
Like, dude, you don't need to dothat.
Why? Like, no, people are really
happy with 80%. Like I won 100 and 101.
Yeah, they're like, no, 99 is pretty good.
Like no, I won 101. 101 is that show.
Yeah, that show is like actually100.
And 101 right there, man, like I'm telling everybody, if you
(43:07):
get a chance or your friends anywhere, please tell them.
Kindly tell them don't do the whole on YouTube.
You can find the whole concert on YouTube.
I get it. No, no, no, no.
I promise you are in a place where that tour is, is, is
going. Yeah.
Whatever money it is, honestly, whatever money it is, it's worth
it. It's worth.
I have talked to, obviously it was a big venue and I've ran
(43:28):
into a lot of friends and I talked to many friends after,
after I posted that I was there.Yeah.
And almost unanimously people said the same words.
This is what money well spent. Money well spent.
It was genuinely money well spent.
Yeah, a couple of funny interactions that happened.
So the actually from our listeners, a bunch of people
also at the show. Yeah, See at the on the podcast
(43:49):
group we, which you can join if you're on the
patreonpatreon.com/hopod, you can join us on the WhatsApp
group. So I mentioned that I went
there, blah, blah, blah. And yeah, so Peter Ballard, a
good friend of ours, also the podcast we talked about,
everyone was amazed. As we said, he appreciated, man
(44:12):
of Rahul appreciated. Man of Steve.
So good. Yeah.
There was a funny part where Hans Zimmer said basically
eluded or not eluded. He actually said that movie that
whichever song this age, the movie was terrible.
Yeah. Yeah, but we like playing it.
Yeah. And people were asking what,
Yeah, what movie was referring to.
So Peter found out answer he he believes it's Dark Phoenix suit.
(44:34):
Sweet. Oh, I've never heard of it.
Yeah. Yeah.
But I think the visuals were like kind of Dark Phoenix's kind
of thing. So it had the cat and all that
stuff like. Yeah, yeah.
So he says that's the one where Wonder Woman goes crazy, which,
which flopped, I've actually never heard of.
Never. Heard of that movie?
There you go. But the song was good, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Wonder Woman.
So yeah, it's highly like he. Did this and then I went on a
crazy rant about speaker of Wonder Woman.
(44:56):
How cool was the lady who the chat, the Chalicello?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he kept calling her Wonder
Woman. Yeah.
And then I. Like the first, in the beginning
of the whole thing, there was Wonder Woman.
She would do that. Yes, I could recognize that.
I'm like, oh, that's so good. Yeah.
I did say that I would like to ask her hand in marriage.
Yeah, yeah. And and then I of course nerded
(45:18):
out and went on a crazy hunt andfound her, found her on
Instagram and her account. I'm not going to tell you
because I'm she's going to be mywife and I'm not going to.
So yeah. So you can look up, it actually
took a little bit of a while because if you look up her, his
regular chalice, she's not the same lady, but yeah, so.
(45:40):
She's now we know. Don't DM her.
Yeah I would DM her. I did already she.
Yeah, well, just let you know the we're running out of time
simply because one of our batteries just died.
Oh, no. Yeah, my account.
OK, well, OK, we can continue with the white and and me.
It's OK anyway. That's OK, but hey, this also
tells you, which is why we need to support on the Patreon.
Oh yeah, to help me charge my batteries.
(46:02):
Yes, yeah, charge the batteries and also there's so much shit
that I would like to like to say, but as this podcast is
genuinely growing bigger, especially after move to Spotify
where people are more, you know,it's people are finding it more
organically. We have to kind of like censor
ourselves a little bit on the onthe main episode.
(46:23):
However, we don't have to do that on the Patreon.
Also. I kept saying that on the
Patreon before, which was true except that there was a button
that I never turned on. I kept saying you can't download
it. Actually for the last many years
I did never turned on the buttonthat says.
Oh, you mean to allow people? To allow.
So now I turn it off so hopefully no one downloaded any
(46:45):
of the other 200 episodes. Did it?
I knew it was an option but I thought it was by default.
Turns out you have to disallow the downloading, so I.
Feel like a Hans Zimmer soundtrack.
Did they download it? Did they download?
It did they download it? Actually, one last thing about
(47:06):
the Hans Zimmer thing. The the level of intensity of
the Pirates of the Caribbean song is mind bending to me.
How much it built, but like before the the the last.
Oh, he did all that with with the yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Before the like the last two
minutes, which is like that likecrazy.
(47:26):
Like it's called the theme is called He's a pirate.
Yeah, It's a famous song before that.
Like the build up to it. Yeah.
It's something that you also cankind of learn from like an
entertainment point of view is that you like you can actually
kind of like build up the the tension.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And how cool, because you are
sitting everybody. Come.
On everybody sitting on the edgeof their.
Seat. When is it?
When is it? When is it?
(47:47):
What is it? It's like a, you know, a DJ,
whatever it's. Like come on, come on, drop it
already. Yeah, absolutely amazing.
Honestly, like one of I think before this I had how was your
best live show experience because we I think.
Broadway, man, that's the surprise of the opera and stuff
of that. Yeah, I was like, goddamn, that
was fantastic in New York. In New York.
(48:08):
OK, I've never been. Yeah, but I saw it in Hong Kong,
so I'll be like, yeah, I saw theNew York one close up and I was
like, wow, this is insane. Before this one I had a few
close like I saw Stevie Wonder live who was amazing.
Yeah, so good. Definitely not blind.
Different story, but so good. Whether blind or not, I saw
Metallica that. I thought was really good.
(48:28):
Yeah, that was really good. And I saw Yanni live and it was
also really good. And it was like a similar thing
with like an orchestra and whatever.
And I like Yanni. But then this came and just like
blew all of. This out of the water for me.
Honestly, better than all of these shows.
And obviously there's a level oflike, I'm biased because he's
like, like, I've always been a fan and it was literally on my,
(48:52):
you know, wish list. Yeah.
Yeah. And for, for us to see it.
And also it's cool that yeah, we, we kind of manifested it
into, into happening. Yeah, there you go.
So if you were there, you're welcome to share your your
experience with us. You can DM us on.
On what you I was like, wait, the the the bug.
(49:15):
Yeah, yeah. Funny, Vivek is simply my
handles mostly on my social media.
Yeah. Or you got the other Mohammed.
I'm the other Mohammed. The message into our Yeah.
Tell us you were there. Tell us maybe if you saw Hans
Zimmer in other cities, what wasyour experience?
Or if you even saw what was yourtop concert?
Yeah, or top live live show experience?
(49:35):
Let us know. We're about to record a Patreon
after we charge this camera a bit.
Until then, we hope to see you at the live show.
Stand up show. It's going to be equally.
No, I can't say that I cannot promise to be equally as
impressive, but it will be equally well worth the money
that I can promise you because the ticket is way cheaper.
Yeah, yeah. So it's lower your standards is
(49:56):
what you're saying? All right.
Thanks everybody. Thanks for tuning in and we'll
see you next week. See you.
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