August 31, 2025 • 52 mins
Comedian and philanthropist Maityreyi Karanth is this week's guest. Maitreyi started things late in life, and with time passing, she is doing more things, not less. She is partying harder, traveling more, and saying yes to everything coming her way.
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(00:01):
So I reiterate here, the bill isdead.
The story of this great city is about the years before this
night. Hey everybody, it's a new
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episode of Ho Ho Hong Kong. I am Here your host, Mohammed
Magdi, still by myself. Well, not really.
I have a cohost slash guest, butno Vivek.
Vivek is getting better slowly. He is doing more work from from
he's working from home, but he'sactually working from his
bedroom with a makeshift like a you know, the breakfast table
(00:44):
when people like bring their girlfriends or boyfriends like
breakfast in bed. That's his laptop now.
It's very sad that it makes me laugh so.
But he's doing good. Better still on path to
recovery. Maybe in next episode I I'll get
a like a sound clip from him because I did get a couple of
messages accusing me of just completely taking over.
(01:05):
And Vivek, I'm like, you know, you can message him, right?
And also, I didn't break his legs.
He he made this dumb decision byhimself.
And it's what yeah, what you getfor having a girlfriend and a
happy life and two houses. He was the coffee, the coffee
machine. I would let him tell the whole
story about, spoiler alert that he fell carrying a 37 kilogram
(01:25):
coffee machine that was for his girlfriend's work.
And as I said, that's, you know,he's a happy guy with a stable
relationship. And a few houses in Hong Kong
have none of that. And guess who has not broken his
legs? So, you know, he gets to suffer
a little bit and I'm OK with that.
But yeah, I've been jealous of him for a long time.
(01:46):
So that's that's what happens when you are I I go to the house
every week and I see them. I'm like, God damn it, you guys
are awesome. So, you know, we have this
concept in the Middle East and Ithink in many cultures of the
whole like evil eye thing. I totally gave him like the evil
eye. So anyway, I'm sitting here
today with another buddy of mineslash awesome comedian, slash
(02:10):
philanthropist, slash many, many, many titles.
Maisrikaranth, welcome back to the podcast.
Thank you, MO. I actually spoke to Vivek.
You did? Yeah, OK.
So you can confirm he's alive I.Know but you know this is really
funny because I said to him, heyI can come there and read for
you. It's like he broke his ankles
not his eyes right? He can read it himself.
(02:32):
He was like no thank you also. He has 1 Indian mom already who
lives in the same building. He bought her own house in the
same building. He doesn't need another Indian
mom. Through that.
And she is also I had her food before amazing coke as well.
Oh, there you go then. He doesn't need me at all, is
what you're saying. No.
No. He has the girlfriend, he has
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the mom, he has got it all covered.
In fact, part of me thinks because he works too hard, that
he might have done this on purpose so he can finally be
pampered. Because a few episodes ago he
talked about he had he took the whole family for a Bali trip,
like an extended part, like manypeople.
And he was still very Vivek the whole trip.
Everything is. So he commissioned A
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photographer friend of his like a full time photographer so he
can document the whole thing. Yeah.
So he just treated it as anotherproduction.
Production. Very soon he's going to discover
that being that yeah, outside isbetter than inside.
Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
So. So maybe he's like I, I can't do
this anymore, but I can't also not be Vivek.
(03:36):
So the only way is to just breakmy ankles and stay in bed.
Yeah. Yeah, but welcome back.
You haven't been on the podcast for a long time.
You did one of the earlier episodes kind of talking about
your journey and your life. Yeah, long time ago.
Long time ago. We have been running for a long
time. This is episode 230.
Whatever. Oh wow.
Yeah, but one of the cool thingsthat came out about you recently
(03:57):
in is this SMPSCMP article that is only July.
So basically just last month, yeah.
And I will link it in the description as well and I'll
read the title and then we can talk about it a little bit
because it says how this 52 yearold lost 30 kilograms in a year
with OMAD, intermittent fasting and healthy habits.
Yeah. So first of all, what is OMAD
(04:18):
fasting? One meal a day.
Oh, that's. So I did one meal a day
seriously for a full year, did not drink at all and lost that
weight. Wow.
OK, so it was that easy. It was so hard.
But eating one meal? Traumatic.
For a lot of Hong Kong people, is their diet already?
(04:39):
Yeah, but, you know, people think that when you eat one meal
a day, you can eat whatever you want, but that's not true.
No, no, no, no. So if you want to lose weight,
though, you know, and, and be healthy, then you have to still
take care of what you're eating,right?
So it gets very, very boring. And you're vegetarian as well.
And vegetarian, but that's fine.Yeah, OK.
But like, how did you work with a nutritionist?
(05:02):
No, I just went for it. Oh, because I discovered that we
did myself after many years of lying to myself and blaming
everybody, myself for putting onweight.
That's. A comedian.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's the audience fault. Yeah, everything.
Everybody, even you, go to the doctor, and the doctor doesn't
know what he's talking about, you know?
(05:23):
Yeah. So finally I discovered that I
over it as simple as that, right?
I had no other medical issues, nothing.
So I, you know, I. You're kind of hoping, not
hoping, but you're kind of like,oh, maybe I'm diabetic, Maybe
I'm. Just you, I went and got all
these tests done, you know, because I was like and the every
doctor like 1. Every good result you're like,
(05:46):
God damn it. Yeah, but the best part was this
Chinese guy in Ratanji Hospital who actually just took one look
at my tests and he didn't even like, no, he didn't mince his
words. And he's that you expat women is
that you're eating too much and that's why you're overweight,
right? Go home and think about it.
That's all he said. He's like, that would be $1000
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and. I'm like, yeah.
And I'm like these people, they don't know how to talk to you,
et cetera, et cetera. But it was so.
It was so right. Damn.
OK, so that was one of the wake up calls.
Have you always, I didn't know you when you were like much
younger. Have you always struggled with
weight? I was always a bit chubbier than
the others, but not overweight. But you know, people still in
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India, they would still make funof me while growing up, my
uncles and all that, they would make fun of me.
But when I look at my pictures back then, it was bloody sexy,
right? It's not at all fat, you know
it's. Like what the, I guess the the
Western culture would call like,voluptuous, Yeah.
Yeah, voluptuous. I mean, sometimes that's not
true, but yeah. Not obviously.
Every overweight person is voluptuous.
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But exactly. The positive spin on it?
Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because you can't call people fat anymore.
Yeah, yeah. That's why there's so many fat
people call it different. Voluptuous.
Oh, no. You don't get that in Asia, do
you? You just.
Oh, yeah. Fat.
Yes, fat. We have, we have that back home,
except that like the diet, you lived in the Middle East as
well. Yeah.
And you lived in Bahrain, right?Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(07:11):
Obviously come from Egypt and like the whole region, it's just
like, it's just ghee and everything.
Yeah. You have coffee and fucking put
ghee in it. It's just that's crazy.
And then you're surprised why people are so fat.
And the other thing is like, thewhole region is so hot.
No one walks around. Anymore, Yeah.
That's one of the cool things about you following your journey
here, like since you started this kind of health kick is how
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much you hike and go outside in.Hong Kong, Yeah, actually I got
asked that, you know, when I went back home, I used to get
lots of questions and one of my,my brother's father-in-law, he
actually said, oh, I heard Hong Kong is very hot and you sweat a
lot. Why are you so fat then?
So he was like, why is your fat not melting with the sweats,
(07:52):
right? Because you're countering it
with food. OK, so did you give yourself a
timeline? You're like, I gotta lose this
weight? Like did you have a goal in
mind? And when it comes to like
whatever ATV appearance or like you also do a lot of like
events, live events and stuff. Did you have anything that it
was like you're gearing towards?No, actually.
See, I was perfect weight up until I had an injury, which is
(08:18):
why I put on weight, which was about 15 years.
Ago excuses No. No, no, seriously.
I like, broke everything on my side and all that.
Oh, yeah. I, I'm AI was a squash player.
Oh, I love squash. Yeah.
And, and I was very competitive.Yeah.
And I banged myself, you know, straight into the wall and broke
everything in the side. Oh, my God.
And then I wasn't allowed to do anything for nine months.
(08:40):
Yeah, that's crazy. And it was crazy because they
kept saying don't do anything. Yeah.
But I, I just couldn't understand.
Yeah, I couldn't understand. How can you not do anything?
And I remember going one time back because it all was swollen
again and I felt broken again. I went back to the doctor and I
said, you know, I had sex one time and it's all back again.
(09:06):
My husband is can you please nottell everybody you're not having
sex and you're doing it just onetime it.
Was once on the Chinese New Year.
It's our annual routine. I can't miss that.
It's the only thing I live for. So, yeah, so and then about 10
months and nothing, I couldn't. Even if I picked up something
heavy, the whole side would swell up.
(09:26):
Oh. My God.
So I put on. That's when I put on all that
weight because I found comfort in food.
But then I couldn't get out of that food habit.
Yeah. So, you know, so it went on and
on, and then the excuses startedcoming.
Yeah. Yeah.
You know, you're lying to yourself, of course, etcetera,
etcetera. And you're thinking, oh, I've
got insulin resistance because you've just Googled it.
(09:47):
Yeah. And, you know, you have decided
that's what you have. Yes.
Yes. Oh my God.
OK. So yeah, all of that.
And so when did you feel start feeling like proper like
progress? After how long from the one meal
a day? Thing oh very immediate really
yeah yeah yeah two weeks people started noticing it's always
people that will not doesn't tell you not yourself because
(10:07):
you're seeing yourself every. Day, of course, yeah.
And they started saying, Oh my God, what are you doing?
You're losing weight that keeps you going.
And I realized why one meal a day worked for me is because I
used to eat, you know, like I'm one of those that if I took a
packet of crisp, I would just finish the whole packet.
I wouldn't like. Yeah, yeah.
I can't have like a bar of chocolate in the house because
(10:27):
it would just go. Immediately.
So if I did one meal, there's only so much you can eat in that
meal. Yeah.
So that's why it worked for me. So I wouldn't, you know, just
jump into the deep end. Yeah, so, so many people were
like, oh, why didn't you do justsix hour window and all?
Then I would eat all six hours. You know, I would pick
everything bad for me. What I find most impressive
(10:48):
about what you're saying is thatyou didn't have even someone
who's kind of like on your case about it.
Like, you know, sometimes peoplepay like a doctor and
nutritionist just to have that like, kind of financial pressure
so they don't fall into bad habits.
But you just did it. Yourself.
No, no, I think in everything. I'm a self motivated anyway so
it's not just where do you. Think that comes from.
(11:08):
I don't know, it just comes. I mean, one of the things that
also is very cool slash funny about you is that like when I
first met you, when I first moved here, you were living in
Saikong and you have lived therepretty much, I would say, all of
your time in Hong. Kong, right?
Yeah. So you obviously came here.
I don't want to go back at the same story you shared in the
previous episode, but you came here quite earlier.
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Like how long have you been herejust.
The basic information 324 years.Right.
And you who chose Cycong and why?
No. So we were in Stanley first,
right? OK, eight years, then moved to
Cycong for the longest time, andall because I'm a crazy dog
rescuer, right? So at one point I had 11 rescue
dogs. Right.
You can never have that in like,Hong Kong.
Yeah, you. Yeah.
So always, you know, Stanley wasnice and, you know, kind of big.
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And then cycling you get got thesame thing for lesser price.
So we moved there, Yeah. And space was the thing for my
dogs. But you're also, the more I know
you, the more I realize that you're actually with age, you're
partying more, not less. Like the everybody I know in my
circle, including in myself, Like I'm slowing down with age.
(12:15):
Definitely. Yeah.
And you're just going the opposite way.
Yeah. Yeah.
Like there is, there has been somany nights, like actually a
little too many in the last justfew months when I am leaving you
in a place at like 3:00 AM and then I'm getting messages at
like 6:00 or 7:00 in the morning.
You're like, I'm at Ebenezer, you bitch.
Come here. Like, what the fuck?
I'm waking up walking my dog now.
(12:36):
Yeah. And you're still out.
I and I'm like the other other night as well.
Yes. I put one of the other comics
into the cab at 3:30. Yeah.
And then I in the morning I was at the junk.
And so the comics were like, how?
What? How are you doing this?
You're 53 years old. But I started things very late
as well. You know, my first drink was 29.
(12:57):
OK, that is actually wild. Yeah.
Yeah, so and is. It because of the Middle East
like you just didn't really. Oh, no, I just didn't feel like,
you know, I didn't all my classmates in India when I was
doing my MBA where I, I came from a, a not a well off family
at all, but they were all from awell off family, sure.
And they were drinking and having fun and everything.
But I had a, you know, differentkind of upbringing.
(13:18):
I had a blind mum to go to a single.
I wanted to keep her trust. And in India it's very hard,
right, Right. You even get into the bike of
your, you know, classmate. By the time you reach home,
people would have told, you know, oh, look at what you do,
what daughter is doing, you know, so I didn't.
Smoking a cigarette on the bat, yeah.
Yeah, did not want to get into that at all.
And it's totally goody. 2 shoes.Yeah, and the reason being that
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you just didn't want to disappoint your mom.
I did not want to disappoint my mom.
And she was doing a, you know, hard job, a brilliant job.
And, yeah, she had blind faith literally in me.
And I was keeping that. So Oopi, my husband was my first
guy and, you know, and things like that.
So, yeah. And then and then we moved to
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the Middle East. I didn't feel like or anything.
I don't know. At 29, I had a South African
girlfriend. Yeah.
And then she kind of introduced me into this, you know, clubbing
world and stuff like that. But even slowly, you know, one
drink and two drinks. And things done very.
Slowly in the Middle East? Yeah.
In Bahrain. It's so funny how like someone
starts. Drinking in the Middle East to.
(14:24):
Be honest, knowing like you knowmy brother lives in Dubai and I
go to the Middle East obviously a lot.
It can be an environment that isvery special among the expats
that is very conducive for like there is a lot of.
And it's so safe. Bahrain is so.
Safe you see the same. People all the time.
It's really nice. It is a fucking tiny.
Place. So.
Small. It's a complete cotton wool
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existence. Yes, yes.
You don't understand the outsideworld at all when you live.
You don't. Need to sometimes because you're
making so much money as well yesno matter what industry tax free
yeah and then you have like all like it's also good geographical
location you can. Travel to.
Lebanon, Europe. Yeah, Dubai.
Obviously people drive from likeQatar and Saudi.
Yeah, Saudi. Oh my God, the weak and the they
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are wild. Yeah, women come in their book
us and everything is out, you know, like.
So Egypt is like the other further option for that.
So I'm growing up like knowing that stereotype of like Saudi
women just show up to the airport and underneath there's
like a belly dancing suit basically.
Like wow all. Right, calm down, lady.
(15:28):
But it's not untrue. But now actually Saudis are
pretty smart about it. They're like, we don't do that.
We just allow everything back home, yeah.
It's changed completely. Stop spending.
The money outside. My friends there, it's
completely changed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's almost like I feel like even from talking to my
friends who still live, there isa bit of an overcorrection
because the locals feel uncomfortable.
(15:49):
Like the young people who are asliberal as they can be.
They understand and they're coolwith it.
But there is still the shift is too aggressive.
You can't go from. I have been there less than 10
years ago on a business trip where the Dawa people like the
people who would look at the shops being closed during prayer
time. Those guys were there less than
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10 years ago and now we have WWEfemale wrestling.
That's too much. Jlo was there, Yeah, Everybody,
everybody's like. That's too much.
You can't go from that to women bikinis.
Yeah. Beating each other.
Sponsored by the Crown Prince. That's insane.
Yeah. Well, at least, I mean, it's
good. They've changed.
It's nice. I mean, I mean.
(16:33):
But yeah, I understand the overcorrection is.
Hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's hard.
It's hard on any society. Exactly.
It's uncomfortable for a lot of people, yeah, But do you feel
like, how did Hong Kong, Hong Kong come in the picture?
My husband got a job here and then we moved.
In the beginning I found like everything looked like
matchboxes to me. The Hong Kong, you know, because
Barin is all, everything is small and spread around, you
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know, big villas and things. Whereas here it's all tall
buildings. Everything.
Yeah. On top of it, I used to call
them matchboxes. That's cute, these buildings.
Yeah. But I fell in love with Hong
Kong so quickly. Yeah.
I lived in Stanley, which was beautiful.
Yeah. It's just not perfect.
I started maths tutorings. That's the business I had.
Oh, for the longest time. Yeah.
Yeah. And just before we're recording,
(17:18):
you're saying that you want to go back to that.
Yes, I really miss it. What's what's with the math
during like that sounds like? I'm a total math nerd.
I actually sit and do equations in my head when I'm bored that.
Is. Yeah, that is, that is.
So weird though, you know, like a comedian and I'm doing so many
other things and then I'm a maths nerd.
That's just so. Not even like additions and
subtraction, you're doing equations.
(17:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it.
Love it. Where did that come from?
I don't know. Again, my apparently my dad
failed in maths, so obviously not from my dad, right?
My mom, she obviously doesn't know because she didn't have the
opportunities growing up. So maybe it comes from her,
right? You know, I wouldn't know.
Yeah. So going back to the the, the
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transformation from Stanley Saikong and then after that
you're like, OK, So actually I think I take some credit for
this because I left a couple of years ago and then you stayed
here. We're recording at my place and
you stayed here at my in place. I'm like, you know, I'm so
letting it or whatever you're like, I will do it.
Yeah. So you stayed?
I think I was gone for a while, like 3 or 4 weeks or something.
(18:22):
Yeah. And then I came back and you're
just like almost a different person.
You're like, you're like a city girl now.
And then I remember. I think you went fuck it, I'm
just going to stay on the island.
Yeah. And he just went and found a
place. Is that correct?
Is that a? Yeah, it's correct.
I loved it. I loved it so much.
Everything was around and I did not know that feeling because
(18:42):
I've lived in Stanley and then Sai Kung.
But Sai Kung is like even. I know, but you could have
imagined it. I just find it so funny that you
needed to stay on the island to know sometimes you would you
would stay in a hotel overnight.Yeah, yeah.
If I had a one woman show, yeah.And I knew we were all going to
get shit faced. I would stay in the hotel that
right. But you really need to get the
(19:03):
feeling. Of the city, yeah.
That's so funny. And you know, I've done things
like 3 in the morning after the one woman show, I've walked up
the peak and stuff like that. So I needed somewhere to stay.
Who the hell does a one woman show?
And then we starts walking up. Also, it's like, I know it's
Hong Kong and safe, but it's kind of dangerous, yeah.
(19:23):
With my best buddy Alan was Oh yes, OK.
Because you're not going by yourself.
After all the shots and everything in my glitter dress
and my sandals, you know, the high heels and everything walked
all the way up the peak. With on the stairs and like the
morning trail. Yeah, the morning trail all the
way from here up the peak. Yeah.
And then at about 5:30, slept onthose, you know, the the bench
(19:45):
there because there were no Ubers to get back.
Yeah. And then at 6:00, we get an
Uber. And the funniest thing is the
next time I was doing a one woman show, I decided to take my
shoes because I knew something like this might happen.
Yes, yes. So I had my shoes at least.
And the same Uber driver picked us up.
I know because it's a Pakistani guy with Pakistani music and
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I've only seen his backside. So I don't know.
I mean, that's what the part. Damn, that's so funny.
Do you think he has been every time since the first time he's
been going around? Like, where's that crazy Indian
woman? Yeah, I know I can probably get
some business done. OK, so I'm just following,
trying to follow the logic of doing a woman woman show in
Soho, Hong Kong, and then you goout drinking right after, you
(20:30):
know, in Olgin St. whatever. And then everyone's calling it a
night, 2:33 AM, and it's you andyour best friend.
Yeah. And then you're like, all right,
let's. Yeah, I'm like, Alan, do you
want to go up the peak? He goes, yeah, and we both go.
That's it. That is.
And then we did mount high was the third time, so the.
That's something I don't do on my best days, by the way.
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I go to the morning trail often because the dog likes it.
Yeah. And obviously from my house is
just like my backyard. Yeah, but never that's like.
I met this guy who was exercising, obviously morning
exercise and I'm I'm dying rightby by the time I wear up the
high rest. So I remember asking him how far
is this fucking trail? And he's looking at us in all
(21:12):
these like crazy. I'm wearing all this glitter
dress and. Everything.
And he's like, yeah, did you lose something?
Why are you doing this? Did you lose a bet?
But so fun. It's super I can imagine also,
but that does require a certain level of mental mental agility
like. Mental stress?
I would think so. Did you ever watch 4 Trails?
No. It's it's a movie.
(21:32):
I'll send it to you like it's a Hong Kong movie about like a
some guy who created a challenge, like a race of racing
through all four trails of Hong Kong.
Like the big ones? Yeah.
And I actually got in touch withhim and I get him on the
podcast. But the movie itself is so
fascinating because it's a lot of people like you.
Yeah. So like, some people who are
like, you know, super athletic or whatever.
(21:53):
And some people are like, fuck it, I'll just do it.
And see what happens. And they're just like, yeah,
yeah, exactly. And they're interviewing them
like 2 days in, three days in, and they're just actually dying.
Yeah. And you're like, but you don't
like when you're in that mentality, you're just like, I'm
going to put 1 foot in front of the other.
Yeah. And just.
Yeah. So it was fun and it's a story
to tell. All these things are stories to
tell. It's so fun to, you know, think
(22:15):
about it afterwards. So you moved to Happy Valley
because again, obviously you need a space.
You have you live with your mom,dogs, your kid sometimes in and
out and and and your your helperso that you obviously need space
and you would like to host people and stuff like this.
So you needed like a big backyard.
So Happy Valley made sense. Your old island is close to
(22:35):
everything and you stayed there for how long?
I stayed there for almost 2 years.
Yeah, and now I'm in Princess Terrace.
Now you look like. Central, Central.
Now I can crawl home. Yeah, now you actually cannot
physically get any closer to central.
Than that, yeah. That is insane.
Yeah. So I, there is a lot of people,
including people who have been on this podcast and listen to
(22:56):
it. They do the exact opposite of
what you did. Yeah.
Everybody shows up to Hong Kong.They're like, oh, I'm going to
live the central life. I'm going to party hard.
Yeah. And they do this for X amount of
time varies from one person to another.
Yeah. I know a couple who actually
listen to this Ben and Christineshout out they just had a baby
recently. They have always been party
animals. She's a PT, she has super active
(23:17):
life and social life as well andthey were living in Kennedy
Town. Had the kid moved to Lantao?
Yeah, yeah, I've heard the storyso many times.
Yeah, people. Moving to Lama, all of this
stuff is like, okay, we're slowing down.
Yeah, I'm partied out. Another friend of mine, Sofia,
yeah, she's just moved to Lama as well.
She's like a big party girl, butshe's like I.
Can't. No.
I'm just discovering things. I'm loving it.
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I'm enjoying it so much. In fact, the TEDx talk I did,
yeah, was about, you know, starting things at the age of
40, Right. Yeah.
So it kind of goes like that as well.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's 13 years now,
mind you, but I'm enjoying, you know, discovering.
Things that is part of you that is like you just kind of like
you feel like you're, you're catching up on stuff you missed
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out on as a kid or like as a young adult.
I maybe maybe at the back of my mind, but I think also I love
the fact that I'm doing things when I know what I'm doing.
Yeah, I love that. And I think everybody should do
that, you know, rather than. Give an example.
Like we do things, a lot of kidsend up doing things when
they're, when they don't know what they're doing right.
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And then either you have regretsor you have this or this.
Now I know exactly what I'm doing, right.
And I feel even when I'm drinking and everything, I know
what I'm doing right. Right.
So because it's so ingrained in me, I'm 53, you know, so I, I
feel that I'm enjoying this so much more.
Yeah. Maybe than I would before.
And then, you know, it was a complicated life when we were
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growing up anyway. I don't think I would have
enjoyed. I would have had to hide and do
things. I'm not a hider.
Yeah. I'm a very straightforward
person, so, you know, I don't think it would have gone with my
character anyway. Yeah, this goes with my
character and we're so lucky in Hong Kong.
Well, you're also so safe. I think you're also quite lucky
in your unique position because your kid is old and yes, yes.
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And your husband's not around. Yes.
I mean, he is. He is.
He's alive, but like, he lives in Thailand, right?
Yeah, that's all. Right.
He does half enough. OK.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but like you have A and
you don't have a full time job as in like you know, office to
report to. Yeah.
So you're obviously self-employed, you do all of
these things. Yeah, You have your charity,
Yeah. So a lot of the stuff obviously
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super busy, but you don't have someone that is holding you down
no to anything. I mean, you know, credit also to
the boys in the house, includingmy son.
Yeah. Is that nobody tries to hold me
down, right? You know, maybe they won't.
I mean, I go out with my son. Yeah, I've seen that.
I've seen that and that's that'salso weird.
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He'll message me at like 4:00 inthe morning saying where are
you? Come here and I'll run there
wherever I am from, you know, and, and so I.
Mean that's just one of the coolest like mother son
relationships I've seen. Genuinely, I'm not saying this
because you're my friend or whatever.
Like I've seen you guys interact.
I've seen how you guys go out and I've seen, you know, you
interacting with this girlfriend, all this stuff.
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And it's like, this is such A and you know, my mom is super
cool in her own way. Yeah.
She's a conservative Middle Eastern mother.
Yeah. It's like very different from
from the dynamic I'm seeing. It's like, you know, a lot of
people's like, oh, and to be friends with my my kids, but
like, you're actually doing it. Yeah.
And it seems like the kid like really enjoys that as well.
Yes, because he knows his boundaries.
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Yes as well. You know, it's not like because
while growing up, I did put a lot of the values that I grew up
with as well. So it's only now after he's
grown up, we are just so becausenow there is nothing.
I talked to him so much while hewas growing up that he knows
everything about me. I can, you know, I can say
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anything. And I think shorts shocks him.
It comes to my shows, for fuck'ssake.
I'm like people have asked. They were like, how can you
listen to your mom saying this thing, you know?
And he says, oh, she says worse at home.
He's like, this is the, this is the.
Yeah, this is the public version.
I've seen a lot of words. Yeah.
Bless him. He is.
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So he lives with you. So who's in Central?
So he lives with me now because he started, he's got a start up
now. And so you know he.
Like his start up? What's his start?
Up it's called Zona. If I knew how to actually
explain what it is, it's a software that they are
developing and to do with cryptoand stuff.
And yeah, So what is? It called Zona.
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Zona, OK. Help.
People can look up Zona and findit out on their own.
Yeah, yeah. But yeah, it's very, very
specific. Right, Right.
So it's very hard to, you know, explain in a layman term.
So I need to learn myself. But yeah, he's, they're doing
well. He's got a girlfriend.
He doesn't have any other. He's not married.
He doesn't have children. So I thought this is, you know,
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when he said to me, Mom, I want to stop the job.
He was with Eva in cybersecurity.
I said do it. Yeah.
Because this is the time we can support you.
We are here and you don't have any other responsibility.
This is the best time for you tobe doing these things.
If it doesn't work, you can always get back into the
workforce, but hopefully it does.
So yeah, I, I did a podcast a while ago now, like maybe a year
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or so ago. It's something about like
talking to younger self or whatever.
And then one of the last things they asked me was about like,
what would advice would you say to like your younger self or
younger people? And I said like, if you don't
like the job, you should leave just as a young person.
Like if you're young enough, youshould just.
Leave. Yeah, because I've been in so
many shitty jobs that I now like, you know, with, you know,
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working with yourself, you can work on regrets and stuff like
this. Yeah.
But like, I wish I didn't stay this long.
Yeah. It's so not worth it, Especially
the job part. Yeah.
Like, obviously people can have circumstances and you gotta.
But I'm like, please, when you're young and you have that
flexibility, don't stay. Yeah, but you know, my family's
full of professionals. They're all like engineers and
talks and very typical, right? So I was very surprised that he
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wanted to be an entrepreneur. And I thought, finally we have
one entrepreneur in the house. Yeah, but you are in a lot of
ways, I'm sure he's looking. Up.
Yes, yes, yes, of course. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I want to go to like I have a couple more things
before we talk about your big show coming up. 1 is your love
for Thailand as well. Yeah, which is super cool
because you also spend a lot of time there.
Yeah. How did the whole Thailand thing
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start? We actually went because I
organized a 50th birthday party for Alan in Thailand and then we
went to Wahin as a part of this whole golfing experience.
I don't golf, but it was for him.
So your your. Best friend Alan is a Scottish
man who likes golf. Yeah, OK.
So then we ended up throwing himthat party and we all fell in
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love with Wahin, including, you know, every guest that was
there, right. So that's how this whole, I
don't know, it's a very. I have been before, but just for
the audience. Yeah, it's a very retired kind
of town. It has all the fun things, but
not in an overtly fashion, right.
So if you want the overtly fashion, you can go, you can
drive to Bangkok, do a weekend there and come back.
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But you can still have this very.
And it's it's super clean. And I mean, Thailand's lovely
anyway, but this because the King's palace used to be there.
I was going to. Say yeah, because.
They. Still.
Have. The last.
Summer. Summer, yes.
Resort kind of situation. Should have kept it very classy.
Yeah. So it's very nice in that sense.
A bit slow for me to always be living there, but it's nice to
go and come. Yeah, OK.
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And what's like do you feel likeafter would you want to retire
here? Not that like you even like I
don't with your lifestyle. I don't even.
See you. Never not doing anything, I
don't think. See you as someone who's
sitting. At home.
But would you want to like code and code slow down there?
Ideally, I would always want to do half and half.
I don't want to be there completely because I feel it'll
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age make up in, you know, very quickly, right, right.
So I like what I'm doing. So who knows how long I'm able
to do what I'm doing, but as long as I'm able to do it, I
want to be, you know, more here but also there.
Yeah, and the one more thing is the the whole dog.
Situation. Oh my.
God, yeah, that's something we have in common.
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Just love for dogs in general, Obviously me having a dog as
well. But you seem to have a specially
soft spot for for rescue dogs. And how did that start?
Always been like that when I wasmy, my best memory was, you
know, I lost my dad very young right when I was 9 and just
before he passed away, he actually brought a street dog to
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me, a puppy, just because I likeit right, you know, and I don't
even it ran away after. I don't know what happened after
he died, but I had that very intense memory of animals.
Never kept one after and then ended up in the Middle East with
two rescues. And then when it came to Hong
Kong, it became 11. And then at one point I had 21
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rescue dogs in. The same house.
No, I had half here and half in Thailand.
Oh my God. OK, I still have 6IN Thailand
and I've got 2 left here. Yeah, that's, yeah.
So in Hong Kong, we rescued all old dogs.
In Thailand, we rescued all sickdogs, right.
Basically, my husband was stuck in Thailand during COVID.
So I just kept I went online to all these dog rescues in
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Thailand and kept sending him dogs.
He's like, here's something to. Keep.
Yeah, I was like. He was there by himself.
Yeah, he got stuck there. Oh.
My God. So I kept sending him all these
dogs. And then a poor guy, I mean, he
kept saying this is the last one.
Yeah, last one, no more and all that.
But then he would look at them and he had to agree.
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And then he would look at my face.
You have to agree, you know, of course.
Yeah, Yeah, that's very hard. Funny enough, a lot of the stuff
that we talked about, except forthe doing things a bit late,
which is a theme in your show, but on all the other stuff you
don't really talk about, for example, you love for dogs on
stage at all. Yeah, I don't.
Yeah, there's some things that are like, now me being close to
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you, like I know there's some parts that are integral part of
your character, but they don't really show on stage.
But the other parts on stage areso like they're related to you,
but they are obviously exaggerated for comedic effect,
which is normal. But it's also people can't get
the wrong idea about you. And I've heard that before.
Actually. How do you?
How do you to balance that out when between on stage like
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staying true to yourself, yeah, and at the same time not showing
everything? You know, to be honest, I never
thought of it that way. Those are things I thought were
me as well. Yeah.
You know, I'm just being me on stage is how I saw it.
But I did hear from other people.
Yeah. Getting the wrong ideas because
of the things I am saying I havehad.
Really, I feel like older women get it.
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You know, they come and say, oh,we want to say these things, but
we can't. And you're saying it on behalf
of us. But I think the younger people
kind of think, oh, you know, just talk about these things.
But I also feel as a woman, if you notice what the men say and
the women say, if I said as manylike sexual things as a man did,
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I mean, I don't already, but already I get I said somebody,
some guy the other day I met, hesaid, Oh, your jokes, Oh, you're
very good, but very racy. And I think I don't see myself
as racy, you know, because I don't use some of those words
that the people. But I think it's just because
coming from a 53 year old woman,it sounds racy, I think.
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But actually talking about, you know, lack of sex or menopause,
etcetera is just things that are.
Life. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Life for a woman you know it doesn't.
Shouldn't. Even if you're not a woman, like
you still know somebody or you have a wife or a girlfriend or a
brother or a brother, maybe a brother.
Maybe. Maybe a brother with transition?
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Be careful what you say more. Yeah, you would know.
It's not like you're talking about alien subjects.
Right, Yes, yeah. So even the menopause, for the
longest time I did not mention because I thought, oh, men are
going to cringe when I mention even the word for it.
But I didn't show for one of these menopause events.
Right. And I wrote specifically for
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that show. Yeah.
And I really enjoyed it. And I realized I can see it in a
way that people don't cringe. You know?
It doesn't have to be like that.Yeah.
And it doesn't. Have to be just shocking, yeah?
Yes. And when it's a part of a bigger
show, yes, it kind of mixes. Everything gets mixed.
I've always thought I don't wantto be one kind of comedian.
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So that's why you'll see. My travels are there.
I talk about America or Britain.I talk about Thailand, India.
Yeah. In the end, I roast my husband.
That's when all the sexual stuffcomes, right.
Right. You know, So it's not like from
the beginning to the end anyway.But I understand what you're
saying because I've I have heardthis from others.
Yeah, One thing that I, I think it's a bit of AI, don't know if
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it's a struggle, but it's a unique position that you're in
that if I had moved to Hong Kongwhenever it was 10 years ago or
something. And then since I have started
doing stand up until now, I was the only male comedian like who
is consistently getting booked and kind of like the top guy,
but and everybody else is a woman.
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And it's basically, I'm trying to flip the situation that we're
in because yes, it's a, you know, when you're looking at an
average line up, there's a lot of guys and it's just not just
Hong Kong, it's pretty much worldwide.
But here you're in such a strange position because you're
kind of uncontested in a way. And that puts so much pressure.
Yes. And when I thought about you and
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I'm like, if I am that and it's like all the women are just
doing their own thing, but I'm like that one guy that they go
for. So that must be that must feel
weird. I don't even know how to
describe it. So I just want to get your
experience and your thoughts on this because you really are.
And it's not again, like there are other women in the scene
hall, my friends. It's not nothing to do with, but
as a producer. And I said that to even them,
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I'm like, I'm just looking for who's good.
I don't you can be non binary. I don't give a fuck.
Like I really don't. I'm like, you know, we have
metrics. Those metrics depend vary from
one Booker to another. You are the one who is everyone
wants to book and among the female comics, definitely the
most consistent. And as I said in my own words,
people can quote me that I don'tmind uncontested.
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So how, how does how, how do youwork with that in your head?
Yeah, in the beginning I didn't.I was actually the only one.
I mean, before you you even camein the scene, it was just take
out comedy, right. And I was the only female for
about four or five years in the lineup.
And it does put pressure on you because once you start doing one
woman show and things, people expect that you, you know,
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you're standing up for the women.
Yeah, which I feel I'm doing already being this person.
And, you know, and then and thensay, speaking to Booker, saying,
hey, this girl I think is good. I'm already doing my bit.
Yeah. But I think more is expected.
Yeah. You know and.
Because you're the one woman. Yeah, because I am the one
woman, so there is that pressureon me.
And in the beginning, I used to,for example, I used to go on
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stage every time and say I'm theonly woman comic tonight, which
to me was a fact, right? And then people would clap and I
would, I felt, bring the level up.
Yes. Right.
So I saw it that way. But then I started to realize
that may be a crutch and I need to stop doing that.
I agree. Yeah, so.
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So. Because you don't like, I've
said that on the podcast before.You don't want to identify as
that. Yes.
And I have someone very early onin my comedy career had told me
that like, he's like, I was opening for like a big comedian.
I was like maybe one year in or something.
I was like, you're good, but youdon't want to be the Egyptian
comedian. Yes.
You just want to be a comedian who happens to be from Egypt.
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Yes. And it's the same thing.
You just want to be a comedian who happens to be a woman.
Yes. Not the woman.
Comedian. I just want to be a person.
Yes, I just want to be a. Person.
And I say that many times. It's like don't book me because
I'm a woman, book me because I'mgood.
No, right. So if you.
If you want to be booked becauseyou're a woman, you're in
trouble because a lot of people don't book.
Yeah, yeah. It's not even a good strategic.
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Decision. Yeah, OK.
I didn't even think it that way.I just want to.
I just always wanted to be good,irrespective of anyone around
me. I wanted to do the best with
myself, and that's me with anything in the weight loss or
whatever, you know, it had to come from me, and I want to be
the best within myself. Yeah.
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Not in comparison to anyone. Yes.
So. Yeah.
And that worked out. You know it has worked out.
How do you, again, because there's not like a limited
number of slots for men or womenor whatever, But what here,
here's another way to to maybe ask this better.
What advice would you give to women in the scene?
Because you're not even in competition with them.
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That's the thing. And again, it's not because
there is limited spots. There aren't.
Yeah. And I'm, I'm one of the main
producers in the city. We are gagging for for new
talent, men, women, dogs, just be funny and be consistent.
Yeah. So just come up and but no one
is close to you. And not because you're, again,
it's not a competition. So I don't want to say what are
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they doing wrong, but what's your advice to them so they can
start, you know, being as consistent as you are?
Just focus on your on your set, you know, write more, try to do
better. Don't think about the boys.
Don't think about making it US against them.
There is no US against. It's certainly you.
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Comedy is such a unique thing where you go on stage, you have
nobody's backing on stage. It's only you one person.
So that means you have to be good If you fuck up.
There's not like in in drama, ina play, somebody will help you,
you know, they'll say some linesand maybe, you know, cover up
for you. Nobody's going to cover up for
you. So I think you just have to work
and work and work on your set and not make it about a man,
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woman thing at all. And just as a person who wants
to be good on stage and you willbecome good, you know, and
nowadays you have so many thingsabout being viral not being
viral. Don't focus on all that, you
know, because you comedy is all about, I think maybe old school,
but it's all about how you say your joke and the joke, which
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needs so much writing to do. You can't always bank on your
audience talking to them and things like that.
So you need to write your jokes,yeah, and practice them.
I mean, you know, I find this sobasic, like what you're saying
is so logical and makes perfect sense.
And unfortunately, I, I think I would add to your, your points,
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everything you said is completely valid.
And I would say the same thing just from a booker's
perspective. I will add that being distracted
slash thinking that the politicsof, of a scene, no matter how
big or small it even matters, isnot a good way to go about it.
Because you're, every time you're thinking of politics,
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you're not really focusing on your set.
As you said, you're like, oh, this person did this or this,
you know, I'm, it's like you're still not, you know, I don't, I
think it was LeBron James or somebody who said like, you
know, you become so good, you become undeniable.
That's it. It's actually that.
It's as simple as that. So good.
You just have to become and you are undeniable that like even a
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sexist piece of shit is still going to hire you because you're
just too good and, you know, you'll add to their show.
Yeah. So that's it.
Like, that's. I would add everything you said,
especially to younger female comedians coming up in Hong
Kong. I'll just, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
be very specific here so I don'tget in trouble.
The women here like everything you said, and I will add to it
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and don't care about the politics.
The politics, as you said, it's like poking the men.
What are the men? Who gives a?
Fuck yeah, just. Doesn't matter, we are doing.
Head stands. It just doesn't matter.
If you become so good, then everybody's gonna take you, and
the audience is all that matters.
Yes, You know, if they say you're good, you're good.
Right. Yeah, You know, here, I've seen
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that a lot actually. Speaking of Thailand, Thailand
has a very toxic scene when it comes to the Bangkok scene.
There is a lot of, like, you might not know much about it,
but like there is a lot of like very small, kind of like
bookers. They all like fighting each
other and stuff. And the result is no one is
good. Yeah, yeah, the.
Comics are not good. The roofs are not great.
Yeah. And even the international acts
don't like to go there sometimesbecause they're like, they're
all idiots, Yeah. Right.
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Oh my God. But it's true.
It's like, you know, there are good guys who are running there,
but the point is that it looks like a fucking mess.
Yeah, but because everyone is like, it's like, guys, this is a
tiny pond. Yeah.
That you have no idea how the even the word.
Really works, yeah. And you're fighting over like,
you know, whatever who has said that to to end this on, you
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know, very, very exciting thingscoming up.
Not only that you have probably your biggest show to date in
Hong Kong coming up, but also you have an Australia tour.
But we'll get to Australia in a second.
First of all, let's talk about your show.
And that's obviously I'm involved as well as the
producer. So we talked about this for a
few months or I think even a year by now.
And one of the cool things that that happened to to make the
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show come together is that you had a Dream Theater, which is
the shoe song. Theater, yes.
Why do you like that theater so much?
So when I went to open, I think,for Atul Khatri many years ago,
I was very fresh in the comedy scene, but I was opening for
him. I went early, you know, just to
see the theater. And I fell in love with it.
And I stood in the middle of thestage and I said, I hope this
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becomes mine one day. And then you call saying, hey,
we got shoes on for you. It was honestly a dream come
true. That's amazing.
That's so cool. Like it makes me actually kind
of like goosebumps. Just the idea.
And I will say you already know that, but Full disclosure, that
date kind of fell on my lap because I tried after you told
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me you want that theater. I tried with them so many times
and just not available. It's in a great location.
It's the the Art Center, the kind of Art Center in Wanchai,
one of the beautiful theater. It's also a really good size and
it's a decent price. So obviously it's like very,
very hard to book. And then my friend Leticia, who
runs Spotlight in Productions, brings this French comedians to
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Asia every few months and I workwith her on regular basis.
She had that show booked, that theater booked for September 23
and then her something happened with the tour.
We can't make that date, but sheknew that I was actually like
looking for theaters. And then she came to she's like,
yo, we have that date. Like do you want it?
I'm like, absolutely. And she just, it just kind of
fell to me. And then I called him like, I
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got your Dream Theater and just like kind of booked it from
there. But not only that, we're doing
that on September 23rd, which issuper, super exciting, but also
we're filming the whole thing with a professional camera crew
that we will later figure out what to do with it, whether it
will market it as a special, we can cut it off for real, put it
up on YouTube, whatever we want to do.
But hey, maybe it's going to be a Netflix special, never know.
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Yeah, but that's. It that market it as a special?
Genuinely means that. Yeah, we're gonna shoot it as a
special. Just feels nice when you say
Netflix. I know, I mean we will actually,
I mean we have a lot of listeners who are connected in
that word. If you do know a way after that
to hook us up with people who would watch and give us an
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opinion, we're happy to. But what?
Yeah, just that tell people, sorry to put you on the spot,
but like, do like a bit of an elevator pitch for your show.
Just like, why do people, why should people come to this
particular show? Well, first of all, this is, I
think you know how they call it,Glass ceiling shattering event.
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Yes. For Hong Kong women's comedy.
Yeah. Already.
Even even even if you take men and women together, there are
only so many that do theatre shows 100% and this will be the
first time a woman is doing a theatre show.
I've already sold out 10 shows, but it has like A120150 Max and
this is going to be 400. Yeah.
(47:11):
I the amount of this whole there's going to be 75% new set
as well, you know, out of the all the jokes, I'm going to pick
the best of the old ones and it's going to be all the new
ones. Yeah.
And I think they you guys were listening are going to have a
ball, not only because you're going to feel special sitting
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there in this what might be special, you know, but also
because it's going to be once inAI wouldn't call once in a
lifetime for you. It's maybe once in a lifetime
for me, but hopefully not. It might be a beginning of
something amazing, you know, andyou can say, hey, I went to see
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her in that beginning of something amazing.
I don't know, it might. No, I know.
So. Seeing how excited you are about
it and not just that, there is acouple of others.
So we talked about the Jo Wang shows, which we did just a
couple of weeks ago, and we haveBen Quinley coming up two days
before you. But both Joe and Ben are being
executed by clock and flap. This one is not.
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This one is just me. Yeah.
So which obviously, you know, it's a lot of work.
Whatever. I accept the responsibility and
the risk and all of the pressureand the hair falling, all of
this. I'm fine with it.
But we also means we will definitely need people to come
out. Yeah.
To help us fill this one. Yeah, we're doing great, by the
way, on, you know, the numbers. We're doing fine.
And given that it's 400 people means it's, you know, it's a big
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theater, but it's also not that big when it comes to like, it's
we're not trying to fill 10,000 seats.
So I'm very confident. But I would like everyone,
especially our our listeners to come especially like obviously
this is not a women's event as we established.
Yes, of course not. I made the men.
Yeah, they're gonna love what I say.
But. I would also like particularly
our female listeners who are usually like, and I know that
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from actual experiences, some ofthem don't like to just always
see like the men on the lineup. So this is your chance.
Also, we have our top female comedian in Hong Kong
uncontested for the last how many years doing her biggest
show to date in Hong Kong. And it's on September 23rd at
the Tucson Theatre. The link is in the show
description. That's that's going to be the
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last theatre show of the Hong Kong comedy season.
By the way, Ben 21 and you are 23 of September and then after
that you're off to Australia, which is also super.
Cool, my God. Yeah, let's close with that.
So Australia, you're doing the Sydney fringe, Yes, right.
So I'm going to do Sydney Fringewith Annie Louis.
Yeah. So she.
Has guests many times shout out Annie.
(49:42):
Yeah, and she and I are going todo half and half, that's for two
days and after that I'll be doing a few shows in Melbourne.
Hell yeah, we actually have quite, especially after Annie
was here for a while because I see the stats and we do have
quite a big like a some following in Melbourne and
Sydney. So what are the dates again?
I'll put them in show notes. But you know, Sydney is 27th and
(50:02):
28th. Right.
Oh wow, that's like, right. After the show I'd be flying the
very next day. Holy shit.
Yeah, it might be Soho to airport.
Yeah, yeah. Wow.
OK, that's amazing. So to airport.
Yeah. So, yeah, OK, everything is so
notes. But do check her out when you go
to Melbourne and when you do take a photo and send it to us
and we will post it on our socials as well.
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I'm very excited for you, not just like for the show that we
have coming up, but how much, you know, one of the cool things
that I see with you, just you'reone of the people that was
genuinely enjoying her life at the moment.
We all have our struggles, we all have our ups and downs.
But right now I look at you, I'mlike, oh, that's someone who's
like happy and it's kind of rare.
(50:45):
So tired to see and especially in Hong Kong, it's very
stressful and all that. But I'm I'm happy for you, but
I'm also excited for what you have coming up.
Thank. You.
Super cool. We'll see you guys on September
23rd. It's a Tuesday night.
Please book your tickets early. It will sell out eventually.
So we just want to sell it out early and then we can focus on,
you know, preparing fun stuff for you guys.
(51:05):
We'll also have a few opening acts and all of that.
We will we'll announce that later, but for now, go to the
show Notes September 23 Tucson Theatre Mai Trekarant How do you
how do you say the the title of your.
My Triarchy. My Triarchy, there you go.
I tried to pronounce it before. I have failed.
So my Triarchy, there you go. So fun little word play.
(51:26):
And yeah, we'll also record the Patreon.
Now we have sometimes I say like, we'll talk about this.
I have no idea what we're talking about.
So we'll, we'll, we'll discuss in between recordings, but join
us on the Patreon as well. Patreon.com/your whole pod.
Other than that, all the shows and everything else coming up is
on the show notes. Thank you everybody.
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Slide into Vivek's DMS and wish him a happy happy recovery.
One last thing, how do people find you online?
On Instagram, my tree current. OK.
All right. So I'll put that in the show
notes as well. So follow my tree as well.
And thanks everybody. Have a good week and we'll see
you at the show. Thanks my tree.
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The.
So I reiterate here, the bill isdead.
The story of this great city is about the years before this
night. Hey everybody, it's a new
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episode of Ho Ho Hong Kong. I am Here your host, Mohammed
Magdi, still by myself. Well, not really.
I have a cohost slash guest, butno Vivek.
Vivek is getting better slowly. He is doing more work from from
he's working from home, but he'sactually working from his
bedroom with a makeshift like a you know, the breakfast table
(00:44):
when people like bring their girlfriends or boyfriends like
breakfast in bed. That's his laptop now.
It's very sad that it makes me laugh so.
But he's doing good. Better still on path to
recovery. Maybe in next episode I I'll get
a like a sound clip from him because I did get a couple of
messages accusing me of just completely taking over.
(01:05):
And Vivek, I'm like, you know, you can message him, right?
And also, I didn't break his legs.
He he made this dumb decision byhimself.
And it's what yeah, what you getfor having a girlfriend and a
happy life and two houses. He was the coffee, the coffee
machine. I would let him tell the whole
story about, spoiler alert that he fell carrying a 37 kilogram
(01:25):
coffee machine that was for his girlfriend's work.
And as I said, that's, you know,he's a happy guy with a stable
relationship. And a few houses in Hong Kong
have none of that. And guess who has not broken his
legs? So, you know, he gets to suffer
a little bit and I'm OK with that.
But yeah, I've been jealous of him for a long time.
(01:46):
So that's that's what happens when you are I I go to the house
every week and I see them. I'm like, God damn it, you guys
are awesome. So, you know, we have this
concept in the Middle East and Ithink in many cultures of the
whole like evil eye thing. I totally gave him like the evil
eye. So anyway, I'm sitting here
today with another buddy of mineslash awesome comedian, slash
(02:10):
philanthropist, slash many, many, many titles.
Maisrikaranth, welcome back to the podcast.
Thank you, MO. I actually spoke to Vivek.
You did? Yeah, OK.
So you can confirm he's alive I.Know but you know this is really
funny because I said to him, heyI can come there and read for
you. It's like he broke his ankles
not his eyes right? He can read it himself.
(02:32):
He was like no thank you also. He has 1 Indian mom already who
lives in the same building. He bought her own house in the
same building. He doesn't need another Indian
mom. Through that.
And she is also I had her food before amazing coke as well.
Oh, there you go then. He doesn't need me at all, is
what you're saying. No.
No. He has the girlfriend, he has
(02:53):
the mom, he has got it all covered.
In fact, part of me thinks because he works too hard, that
he might have done this on purpose so he can finally be
pampered. Because a few episodes ago he
talked about he had he took the whole family for a Bali trip,
like an extended part, like manypeople.
And he was still very Vivek the whole trip.
Everything is. So he commissioned A
(03:15):
photographer friend of his like a full time photographer so he
can document the whole thing. Yeah.
So he just treated it as anotherproduction.
Production. Very soon he's going to discover
that being that yeah, outside isbetter than inside.
Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
So. So maybe he's like I, I can't do
this anymore, but I can't also not be Vivek.
(03:36):
So the only way is to just breakmy ankles and stay in bed.
Yeah. Yeah, but welcome back.
You haven't been on the podcast for a long time.
You did one of the earlier episodes kind of talking about
your journey and your life. Yeah, long time ago.
Long time ago. We have been running for a long
time. This is episode 230.
Whatever. Oh wow.
Yeah, but one of the cool thingsthat came out about you recently
(03:57):
in is this SMPSCMP article that is only July.
So basically just last month, yeah.
And I will link it in the description as well and I'll
read the title and then we can talk about it a little bit
because it says how this 52 yearold lost 30 kilograms in a year
with OMAD, intermittent fasting and healthy habits.
Yeah. So first of all, what is OMAD
(04:18):
fasting? One meal a day.
Oh, that's. So I did one meal a day
seriously for a full year, did not drink at all and lost that
weight. Wow.
OK, so it was that easy. It was so hard.
But eating one meal? Traumatic.
For a lot of Hong Kong people, is their diet already?
(04:39):
Yeah, but, you know, people think that when you eat one meal
a day, you can eat whatever you want, but that's not true.
No, no, no, no. So if you want to lose weight,
though, you know, and, and be healthy, then you have to still
take care of what you're eating,right?
So it gets very, very boring. And you're vegetarian as well.
And vegetarian, but that's fine.Yeah, OK.
But like, how did you work with a nutritionist?
(05:02):
No, I just went for it. Oh, because I discovered that we
did myself after many years of lying to myself and blaming
everybody, myself for putting onweight.
That's. A comedian.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's the audience fault. Yeah, everything.
Everybody, even you, go to the doctor, and the doctor doesn't
know what he's talking about, you know?
(05:23):
Yeah. So finally I discovered that I
over it as simple as that, right?
I had no other medical issues, nothing.
So I, you know, I. You're kind of hoping, not
hoping, but you're kind of like,oh, maybe I'm diabetic, Maybe
I'm. Just you, I went and got all
these tests done, you know, because I was like and the every
doctor like 1. Every good result you're like,
(05:46):
God damn it. Yeah, but the best part was this
Chinese guy in Ratanji Hospital who actually just took one look
at my tests and he didn't even like, no, he didn't mince his
words. And he's that you expat women is
that you're eating too much and that's why you're overweight,
right? Go home and think about it.
That's all he said. He's like, that would be $1000
(06:07):
and. I'm like, yeah.
And I'm like these people, they don't know how to talk to you,
et cetera, et cetera. But it was so.
It was so right. Damn.
OK, so that was one of the wake up calls.
Have you always, I didn't know you when you were like much
younger. Have you always struggled with
weight? I was always a bit chubbier than
the others, but not overweight. But you know, people still in
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India, they would still make funof me while growing up, my
uncles and all that, they would make fun of me.
But when I look at my pictures back then, it was bloody sexy,
right? It's not at all fat, you know
it's. Like what the, I guess the the
Western culture would call like,voluptuous, Yeah.
Yeah, voluptuous. I mean, sometimes that's not
true, but yeah. Not obviously.
Every overweight person is voluptuous.
(06:51):
But exactly. The positive spin on it?
Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because you can't call people fat anymore.
Yeah, yeah. That's why there's so many fat
people call it different. Voluptuous.
Oh, no. You don't get that in Asia, do
you? You just.
Oh, yeah. Fat.
Yes, fat. We have, we have that back home,
except that like the diet, you lived in the Middle East as
well. Yeah.
And you lived in Bahrain, right?Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(07:11):
Obviously come from Egypt and like the whole region, it's just
like, it's just ghee and everything.
Yeah. You have coffee and fucking put
ghee in it. It's just that's crazy.
And then you're surprised why people are so fat.
And the other thing is like, thewhole region is so hot.
No one walks around. Anymore, Yeah.
That's one of the cool things about you following your journey
here, like since you started this kind of health kick is how
(07:32):
much you hike and go outside in.Hong Kong, Yeah, actually I got
asked that, you know, when I went back home, I used to get
lots of questions and one of my,my brother's father-in-law, he
actually said, oh, I heard Hong Kong is very hot and you sweat a
lot. Why are you so fat then?
So he was like, why is your fat not melting with the sweats,
(07:52):
right? Because you're countering it
with food. OK, so did you give yourself a
timeline? You're like, I gotta lose this
weight? Like did you have a goal in
mind? And when it comes to like
whatever ATV appearance or like you also do a lot of like
events, live events and stuff. Did you have anything that it
was like you're gearing towards?No, actually.
See, I was perfect weight up until I had an injury, which is
(08:18):
why I put on weight, which was about 15 years.
Ago excuses No. No, no, seriously.
I like, broke everything on my side and all that.
Oh, yeah. I, I'm AI was a squash player.
Oh, I love squash. Yeah.
And, and I was very competitive.Yeah.
And I banged myself, you know, straight into the wall and broke
everything in the side. Oh, my God.
And then I wasn't allowed to do anything for nine months.
(08:40):
Yeah, that's crazy. And it was crazy because they
kept saying don't do anything. Yeah.
But I, I just couldn't understand.
Yeah, I couldn't understand. How can you not do anything?
And I remember going one time back because it all was swollen
again and I felt broken again. I went back to the doctor and I
said, you know, I had sex one time and it's all back again.
(09:06):
My husband is can you please nottell everybody you're not having
sex and you're doing it just onetime it.
Was once on the Chinese New Year.
It's our annual routine. I can't miss that.
It's the only thing I live for. So, yeah, so and then about 10
months and nothing, I couldn't. Even if I picked up something
heavy, the whole side would swell up.
(09:26):
Oh. My God.
So I put on. That's when I put on all that
weight because I found comfort in food.
But then I couldn't get out of that food habit.
Yeah. So, you know, so it went on and
on, and then the excuses startedcoming.
Yeah. Yeah.
You know, you're lying to yourself, of course, etcetera,
etcetera. And you're thinking, oh, I've
got insulin resistance because you've just Googled it.
(09:47):
Yeah. And, you know, you have decided
that's what you have. Yes.
Yes. Oh my God.
OK. So yeah, all of that.
And so when did you feel start feeling like proper like
progress? After how long from the one meal
a day? Thing oh very immediate really
yeah yeah yeah two weeks people started noticing it's always
people that will not doesn't tell you not yourself because
(10:07):
you're seeing yourself every. Day, of course, yeah.
And they started saying, Oh my God, what are you doing?
You're losing weight that keeps you going.
And I realized why one meal a day worked for me is because I
used to eat, you know, like I'm one of those that if I took a
packet of crisp, I would just finish the whole packet.
I wouldn't like. Yeah, yeah.
I can't have like a bar of chocolate in the house because
(10:27):
it would just go. Immediately.
So if I did one meal, there's only so much you can eat in that
meal. Yeah.
So that's why it worked for me. So I wouldn't, you know, just
jump into the deep end. Yeah, so, so many people were
like, oh, why didn't you do justsix hour window and all?
Then I would eat all six hours. You know, I would pick
everything bad for me. What I find most impressive
(10:48):
about what you're saying is thatyou didn't have even someone
who's kind of like on your case about it.
Like, you know, sometimes peoplepay like a doctor and
nutritionist just to have that like, kind of financial pressure
so they don't fall into bad habits.
But you just did it. Yourself.
No, no, I think in everything. I'm a self motivated anyway so
it's not just where do you. Think that comes from.
(11:08):
I don't know, it just comes. I mean, one of the things that
also is very cool slash funny about you is that like when I
first met you, when I first moved here, you were living in
Saikong and you have lived therepretty much, I would say, all of
your time in Hong. Kong, right?
Yeah. So you obviously came here.
I don't want to go back at the same story you shared in the
previous episode, but you came here quite earlier.
(11:30):
Like how long have you been herejust.
The basic information 324 years.Right.
And you who chose Cycong and why?
No. So we were in Stanley first,
right? OK, eight years, then moved to
Cycong for the longest time, andall because I'm a crazy dog
rescuer, right? So at one point I had 11 rescue
dogs. Right.
You can never have that in like,Hong Kong.
Yeah, you. Yeah.
So always, you know, Stanley wasnice and, you know, kind of big.
(11:53):
And then cycling you get got thesame thing for lesser price.
So we moved there, Yeah. And space was the thing for my
dogs. But you're also, the more I know
you, the more I realize that you're actually with age, you're
partying more, not less. Like the everybody I know in my
circle, including in myself, Like I'm slowing down with age.
(12:15):
Definitely. Yeah.
And you're just going the opposite way.
Yeah. Yeah.
Like there is, there has been somany nights, like actually a
little too many in the last justfew months when I am leaving you
in a place at like 3:00 AM and then I'm getting messages at
like 6:00 or 7:00 in the morning.
You're like, I'm at Ebenezer, you bitch.
Come here. Like, what the fuck?
I'm waking up walking my dog now.
(12:36):
Yeah. And you're still out.
I and I'm like the other other night as well.
Yes. I put one of the other comics
into the cab at 3:30. Yeah.
And then I in the morning I was at the junk.
And so the comics were like, how?
What? How are you doing this?
You're 53 years old. But I started things very late
as well. You know, my first drink was 29.
(12:57):
OK, that is actually wild. Yeah.
Yeah, so and is. It because of the Middle East
like you just didn't really. Oh, no, I just didn't feel like,
you know, I didn't all my classmates in India when I was
doing my MBA where I, I came from a, a not a well off family
at all, but they were all from awell off family, sure.
And they were drinking and having fun and everything.
But I had a, you know, differentkind of upbringing.
(13:18):
I had a blind mum to go to a single.
I wanted to keep her trust. And in India it's very hard,
right, Right. You even get into the bike of
your, you know, classmate. By the time you reach home,
people would have told, you know, oh, look at what you do,
what daughter is doing, you know, so I didn't.
Smoking a cigarette on the bat, yeah.
Yeah, did not want to get into that at all.
And it's totally goody. 2 shoes.Yeah, and the reason being that
(13:41):
you just didn't want to disappoint your mom.
I did not want to disappoint my mom.
And she was doing a, you know, hard job, a brilliant job.
And, yeah, she had blind faith literally in me.
And I was keeping that. So Oopi, my husband was my first
guy and, you know, and things like that.
So, yeah. And then and then we moved to
(14:01):
the Middle East. I didn't feel like or anything.
I don't know. At 29, I had a South African
girlfriend. Yeah.
And then she kind of introduced me into this, you know, clubbing
world and stuff like that. But even slowly, you know, one
drink and two drinks. And things done very.
Slowly in the Middle East? Yeah.
In Bahrain. It's so funny how like someone
starts. Drinking in the Middle East to.
(14:24):
Be honest, knowing like you knowmy brother lives in Dubai and I
go to the Middle East obviously a lot.
It can be an environment that isvery special among the expats
that is very conducive for like there is a lot of.
And it's so safe. Bahrain is so.
Safe you see the same. People all the time.
It's really nice. It is a fucking tiny.
Place. So.
Small. It's a complete cotton wool
(14:45):
existence. Yes, yes.
You don't understand the outsideworld at all when you live.
You don't. Need to sometimes because you're
making so much money as well yesno matter what industry tax free
yeah and then you have like all like it's also good geographical
location you can. Travel to.
Lebanon, Europe. Yeah, Dubai.
Obviously people drive from likeQatar and Saudi.
Yeah, Saudi. Oh my God, the weak and the they
(15:07):
are wild. Yeah, women come in their book
us and everything is out, you know, like.
So Egypt is like the other further option for that.
So I'm growing up like knowing that stereotype of like Saudi
women just show up to the airport and underneath there's
like a belly dancing suit basically.
Like wow all. Right, calm down, lady.
(15:28):
But it's not untrue. But now actually Saudis are
pretty smart about it. They're like, we don't do that.
We just allow everything back home, yeah.
It's changed completely. Stop spending.
The money outside. My friends there, it's
completely changed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's almost like I feel like even from talking to my
friends who still live, there isa bit of an overcorrection
because the locals feel uncomfortable.
(15:49):
Like the young people who are asliberal as they can be.
They understand and they're coolwith it.
But there is still the shift is too aggressive.
You can't go from. I have been there less than 10
years ago on a business trip where the Dawa people like the
people who would look at the shops being closed during prayer
time. Those guys were there less than
(16:12):
10 years ago and now we have WWEfemale wrestling.
That's too much. Jlo was there, Yeah, Everybody,
everybody's like. That's too much.
You can't go from that to women bikinis.
Yeah. Beating each other.
Sponsored by the Crown Prince. That's insane.
Yeah. Well, at least, I mean, it's
good. They've changed.
It's nice. I mean, I mean.
(16:33):
But yeah, I understand the overcorrection is.
Hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's hard.
It's hard on any society. Exactly.
It's uncomfortable for a lot of people, yeah, But do you feel
like, how did Hong Kong, Hong Kong come in the picture?
My husband got a job here and then we moved.
In the beginning I found like everything looked like
matchboxes to me. The Hong Kong, you know, because
Barin is all, everything is small and spread around, you
(16:56):
know, big villas and things. Whereas here it's all tall
buildings. Everything.
Yeah. On top of it, I used to call
them matchboxes. That's cute, these buildings.
Yeah. But I fell in love with Hong
Kong so quickly. Yeah.
I lived in Stanley, which was beautiful.
Yeah. It's just not perfect.
I started maths tutorings. That's the business I had.
Oh, for the longest time. Yeah.
Yeah. And just before we're recording,
(17:18):
you're saying that you want to go back to that.
Yes, I really miss it. What's what's with the math
during like that sounds like? I'm a total math nerd.
I actually sit and do equations in my head when I'm bored that.
Is. Yeah, that is, that is.
So weird though, you know, like a comedian and I'm doing so many
other things and then I'm a maths nerd.
That's just so. Not even like additions and
subtraction, you're doing equations.
(17:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it.
Love it. Where did that come from?
I don't know. Again, my apparently my dad
failed in maths, so obviously not from my dad, right?
My mom, she obviously doesn't know because she didn't have the
opportunities growing up. So maybe it comes from her,
right? You know, I wouldn't know.
Yeah. So going back to the the, the
(18:00):
transformation from Stanley Saikong and then after that
you're like, OK, So actually I think I take some credit for
this because I left a couple of years ago and then you stayed
here. We're recording at my place and
you stayed here at my in place. I'm like, you know, I'm so
letting it or whatever you're like, I will do it.
Yeah. So you stayed?
I think I was gone for a while, like 3 or 4 weeks or something.
(18:22):
Yeah. And then I came back and you're
just like almost a different person.
You're like, you're like a city girl now.
And then I remember. I think you went fuck it, I'm
just going to stay on the island.
Yeah. And he just went and found a
place. Is that correct?
Is that a? Yeah, it's correct.
I loved it. I loved it so much.
Everything was around and I did not know that feeling because
(18:42):
I've lived in Stanley and then Sai Kung.
But Sai Kung is like even. I know, but you could have
imagined it. I just find it so funny that you
needed to stay on the island to know sometimes you would you
would stay in a hotel overnight.Yeah, yeah.
If I had a one woman show, yeah.And I knew we were all going to
get shit faced. I would stay in the hotel that
right. But you really need to get the
(19:03):
feeling. Of the city, yeah.
That's so funny. And you know, I've done things
like 3 in the morning after the one woman show, I've walked up
the peak and stuff like that. So I needed somewhere to stay.
Who the hell does a one woman show?
And then we starts walking up. Also, it's like, I know it's
Hong Kong and safe, but it's kind of dangerous, yeah.
(19:23):
With my best buddy Alan was Oh yes, OK.
Because you're not going by yourself.
After all the shots and everything in my glitter dress
and my sandals, you know, the high heels and everything walked
all the way up the peak. With on the stairs and like the
morning trail. Yeah, the morning trail all the
way from here up the peak. Yeah.
And then at about 5:30, slept onthose, you know, the the bench
(19:45):
there because there were no Ubers to get back.
Yeah. And then at 6:00, we get an
Uber. And the funniest thing is the
next time I was doing a one woman show, I decided to take my
shoes because I knew something like this might happen.
Yes, yes. So I had my shoes at least.
And the same Uber driver picked us up.
I know because it's a Pakistani guy with Pakistani music and
(20:08):
I've only seen his backside. So I don't know.
I mean, that's what the part. Damn, that's so funny.
Do you think he has been every time since the first time he's
been going around? Like, where's that crazy Indian
woman? Yeah, I know I can probably get
some business done. OK, so I'm just following,
trying to follow the logic of doing a woman woman show in
Soho, Hong Kong, and then you goout drinking right after, you
(20:30):
know, in Olgin St. whatever. And then everyone's calling it a
night, 2:33 AM, and it's you andyour best friend.
Yeah. And then you're like, all right,
let's. Yeah, I'm like, Alan, do you
want to go up the peak? He goes, yeah, and we both go.
That's it. That is.
And then we did mount high was the third time, so the.
That's something I don't do on my best days, by the way.
(20:51):
I go to the morning trail often because the dog likes it.
Yeah. And obviously from my house is
just like my backyard. Yeah, but never that's like.
I met this guy who was exercising, obviously morning
exercise and I'm I'm dying rightby by the time I wear up the
high rest. So I remember asking him how far
is this fucking trail? And he's looking at us in all
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these like crazy. I'm wearing all this glitter
dress and. Everything.
And he's like, yeah, did you lose something?
Why are you doing this? Did you lose a bet?
But so fun. It's super I can imagine also,
but that does require a certain level of mental mental agility
like. Mental stress?
I would think so. Did you ever watch 4 Trails?
No. It's it's a movie.
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I'll send it to you like it's a Hong Kong movie about like a
some guy who created a challenge, like a race of racing
through all four trails of Hong Kong.
Like the big ones? Yeah.
And I actually got in touch withhim and I get him on the
podcast. But the movie itself is so
fascinating because it's a lot of people like you.
Yeah. So like, some people who are
like, you know, super athletic or whatever.
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And some people are like, fuck it, I'll just do it.
And see what happens. And they're just like, yeah,
yeah, exactly. And they're interviewing them
like 2 days in, three days in, and they're just actually dying.
Yeah. And you're like, but you don't
like when you're in that mentality, you're just like, I'm
going to put 1 foot in front of the other.
Yeah. And just.
Yeah. So it was fun and it's a story
to tell. All these things are stories to
tell. It's so fun to, you know, think
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about it afterwards. So you moved to Happy Valley
because again, obviously you need a space.
You have you live with your mom,dogs, your kid sometimes in and
out and and and your your helperso that you obviously need space
and you would like to host people and stuff like this.
So you needed like a big backyard.
So Happy Valley made sense. Your old island is close to
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everything and you stayed there for how long?
I stayed there for almost 2 years.
Yeah, and now I'm in Princess Terrace.
Now you look like. Central, Central.
Now I can crawl home. Yeah, now you actually cannot
physically get any closer to central.
Than that, yeah. That is insane.
Yeah. So I, there is a lot of people,
including people who have been on this podcast and listen to
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it. They do the exact opposite of
what you did. Yeah.
Everybody shows up to Hong Kong.They're like, oh, I'm going to
live the central life. I'm going to party hard.
Yeah. And they do this for X amount of
time varies from one person to another.
Yeah. I know a couple who actually
listen to this Ben and Christineshout out they just had a baby
recently. They have always been party
animals. She's a PT, she has super active
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life and social life as well andthey were living in Kennedy
Town. Had the kid moved to Lantao?
Yeah, yeah, I've heard the storyso many times.
Yeah, people. Moving to Lama, all of this
stuff is like, okay, we're slowing down.
Yeah, I'm partied out. Another friend of mine, Sofia,
yeah, she's just moved to Lama as well.
She's like a big party girl, butshe's like I.
Can't. No.
I'm just discovering things. I'm loving it.
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I'm enjoying it so much. In fact, the TEDx talk I did,
yeah, was about, you know, starting things at the age of
40, Right. Yeah.
So it kind of goes like that as well.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's 13 years now,
mind you, but I'm enjoying, you know, discovering.
Things that is part of you that is like you just kind of like
you feel like you're, you're catching up on stuff you missed
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out on as a kid or like as a young adult.
I maybe maybe at the back of my mind, but I think also I love
the fact that I'm doing things when I know what I'm doing.
Yeah, I love that. And I think everybody should do
that, you know, rather than. Give an example.
Like we do things, a lot of kidsend up doing things when
they're, when they don't know what they're doing right.
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And then either you have regretsor you have this or this.
Now I know exactly what I'm doing, right.
And I feel even when I'm drinking and everything, I know
what I'm doing right. Right.
So because it's so ingrained in me, I'm 53, you know, so I, I
feel that I'm enjoying this so much more.
Yeah. Maybe than I would before.
And then, you know, it was a complicated life when we were
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growing up anyway. I don't think I would have
enjoyed. I would have had to hide and do
things. I'm not a hider.
Yeah. I'm a very straightforward
person, so, you know, I don't think it would have gone with my
character anyway. Yeah, this goes with my
character and we're so lucky in Hong Kong.
Well, you're also so safe. I think you're also quite lucky
in your unique position because your kid is old and yes, yes.
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And your husband's not around. Yes.
I mean, he is. He is.
He's alive, but like, he lives in Thailand, right?
Yeah, that's all. Right.
He does half enough. OK.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but like you have A and
you don't have a full time job as in like you know, office to
report to. Yeah.
So you're obviously self-employed, you do all of
these things. Yeah, You have your charity,
Yeah. So a lot of the stuff obviously
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super busy, but you don't have someone that is holding you down
no to anything. I mean, you know, credit also to
the boys in the house, includingmy son.
Yeah. Is that nobody tries to hold me
down, right? You know, maybe they won't.
I mean, I go out with my son. Yeah, I've seen that.
I've seen that and that's that'salso weird.
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He'll message me at like 4:00 inthe morning saying where are
you? Come here and I'll run there
wherever I am from, you know, and, and so I.
Mean that's just one of the coolest like mother son
relationships I've seen. Genuinely, I'm not saying this
because you're my friend or whatever.
Like I've seen you guys interact.
I've seen how you guys go out and I've seen, you know, you
interacting with this girlfriend, all this stuff.
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And it's like, this is such A and you know, my mom is super
cool in her own way. Yeah.
She's a conservative Middle Eastern mother.
Yeah. It's like very different from
from the dynamic I'm seeing. It's like, you know, a lot of
people's like, oh, and to be friends with my my kids, but
like, you're actually doing it. Yeah.
And it seems like the kid like really enjoys that as well.
Yes, because he knows his boundaries.
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Yes as well. You know, it's not like because
while growing up, I did put a lot of the values that I grew up
with as well. So it's only now after he's
grown up, we are just so becausenow there is nothing.
I talked to him so much while hewas growing up that he knows
everything about me. I can, you know, I can say
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anything. And I think shorts shocks him.
It comes to my shows, for fuck'ssake.
I'm like people have asked. They were like, how can you
listen to your mom saying this thing, you know?
And he says, oh, she says worse at home.
He's like, this is the, this is the.
Yeah, this is the public version.
I've seen a lot of words. Yeah.
Bless him. He is.
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So he lives with you. So who's in Central?
So he lives with me now because he started, he's got a start up
now. And so you know he.
Like his start up? What's his start?
Up it's called Zona. If I knew how to actually
explain what it is, it's a software that they are
developing and to do with cryptoand stuff.
And yeah, So what is? It called Zona.
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Zona, OK. Help.
People can look up Zona and findit out on their own.
Yeah, yeah. But yeah, it's very, very
specific. Right, Right.
So it's very hard to, you know, explain in a layman term.
So I need to learn myself. But yeah, he's, they're doing
well. He's got a girlfriend.
He doesn't have any other. He's not married.
He doesn't have children. So I thought this is, you know,
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when he said to me, Mom, I want to stop the job.
He was with Eva in cybersecurity.
I said do it. Yeah.
Because this is the time we can support you.
We are here and you don't have any other responsibility.
This is the best time for you tobe doing these things.
If it doesn't work, you can always get back into the
workforce, but hopefully it does.
So yeah, I, I did a podcast a while ago now, like maybe a year
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or so ago. It's something about like
talking to younger self or whatever.
And then one of the last things they asked me was about like,
what would advice would you say to like your younger self or
younger people? And I said like, if you don't
like the job, you should leave just as a young person.
Like if you're young enough, youshould just.
Leave. Yeah, because I've been in so
many shitty jobs that I now like, you know, with, you know,
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working with yourself, you can work on regrets and stuff like
this. Yeah.
But like, I wish I didn't stay this long.
Yeah. It's so not worth it, Especially
the job part. Yeah.
Like, obviously people can have circumstances and you gotta.
But I'm like, please, when you're young and you have that
flexibility, don't stay. Yeah, but you know, my family's
full of professionals. They're all like engineers and
talks and very typical, right? So I was very surprised that he
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wanted to be an entrepreneur. And I thought, finally we have
one entrepreneur in the house. Yeah, but you are in a lot of
ways, I'm sure he's looking. Up.
Yes, yes, yes, of course. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I want to go to like I have a couple more things
before we talk about your big show coming up. 1 is your love
for Thailand as well. Yeah, which is super cool
because you also spend a lot of time there.
Yeah. How did the whole Thailand thing
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start? We actually went because I
organized a 50th birthday party for Alan in Thailand and then we
went to Wahin as a part of this whole golfing experience.
I don't golf, but it was for him.
So your your. Best friend Alan is a Scottish
man who likes golf. Yeah, OK.
So then we ended up throwing himthat party and we all fell in
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love with Wahin, including, you know, every guest that was
there, right. So that's how this whole, I
don't know, it's a very. I have been before, but just for
the audience. Yeah, it's a very retired kind
of town. It has all the fun things, but
not in an overtly fashion, right.
So if you want the overtly fashion, you can go, you can
drive to Bangkok, do a weekend there and come back.
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But you can still have this very.
And it's it's super clean. And I mean, Thailand's lovely
anyway, but this because the King's palace used to be there.
I was going to. Say yeah, because.
They. Still.
Have. The last.
Summer. Summer, yes.
Resort kind of situation. Should have kept it very classy.
Yeah. So it's very nice in that sense.
A bit slow for me to always be living there, but it's nice to
go and come. Yeah, OK.
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And what's like do you feel likeafter would you want to retire
here? Not that like you even like I
don't with your lifestyle. I don't even.
See you. Never not doing anything, I
don't think. See you as someone who's
sitting. At home.
But would you want to like code and code slow down there?
Ideally, I would always want to do half and half.
I don't want to be there completely because I feel it'll
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age make up in, you know, very quickly, right, right.
So I like what I'm doing. So who knows how long I'm able
to do what I'm doing, but as long as I'm able to do it, I
want to be, you know, more here but also there.
Yeah, and the one more thing is the the whole dog.
Situation. Oh my.
God, yeah, that's something we have in common.
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Just love for dogs in general, Obviously me having a dog as
well. But you seem to have a specially
soft spot for for rescue dogs. And how did that start?
Always been like that when I wasmy, my best memory was, you
know, I lost my dad very young right when I was 9 and just
before he passed away, he actually brought a street dog to
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me, a puppy, just because I likeit right, you know, and I don't
even it ran away after. I don't know what happened after
he died, but I had that very intense memory of animals.
Never kept one after and then ended up in the Middle East with
two rescues. And then when it came to Hong
Kong, it became 11. And then at one point I had 21
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rescue dogs in. The same house.
No, I had half here and half in Thailand.
Oh my God. OK, I still have 6IN Thailand
and I've got 2 left here. Yeah, that's, yeah.
So in Hong Kong, we rescued all old dogs.
In Thailand, we rescued all sickdogs, right.
Basically, my husband was stuck in Thailand during COVID.
So I just kept I went online to all these dog rescues in
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Thailand and kept sending him dogs.
He's like, here's something to. Keep.
Yeah, I was like. He was there by himself.
Yeah, he got stuck there. Oh.
My God. So I kept sending him all these
dogs. And then a poor guy, I mean, he
kept saying this is the last one.
Yeah, last one, no more and all that.
But then he would look at them and he had to agree.
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And then he would look at my face.
You have to agree, you know, of course.
Yeah, Yeah, that's very hard. Funny enough, a lot of the stuff
that we talked about, except forthe doing things a bit late,
which is a theme in your show, but on all the other stuff you
don't really talk about, for example, you love for dogs on
stage at all. Yeah, I don't.
Yeah, there's some things that are like, now me being close to
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you, like I know there's some parts that are integral part of
your character, but they don't really show on stage.
But the other parts on stage areso like they're related to you,
but they are obviously exaggerated for comedic effect,
which is normal. But it's also people can't get
the wrong idea about you. And I've heard that before.
Actually. How do you?
How do you to balance that out when between on stage like
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staying true to yourself, yeah, and at the same time not showing
everything? You know, to be honest, I never
thought of it that way. Those are things I thought were
me as well. Yeah.
You know, I'm just being me on stage is how I saw it.
But I did hear from other people.
Yeah. Getting the wrong ideas because
of the things I am saying I havehad.
Really, I feel like older women get it.
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You know, they come and say, oh,we want to say these things, but
we can't. And you're saying it on behalf
of us. But I think the younger people
kind of think, oh, you know, just talk about these things.
But I also feel as a woman, if you notice what the men say and
the women say, if I said as manylike sexual things as a man did,
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I mean, I don't already, but already I get I said somebody,
some guy the other day I met, hesaid, Oh, your jokes, Oh, you're
very good, but very racy. And I think I don't see myself
as racy, you know, because I don't use some of those words
that the people. But I think it's just because
coming from a 53 year old woman,it sounds racy, I think.
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But actually talking about, you know, lack of sex or menopause,
etcetera is just things that are.
Life. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Life for a woman you know it doesn't.
Shouldn't. Even if you're not a woman, like
you still know somebody or you have a wife or a girlfriend or a
brother or a brother, maybe a brother.
Maybe. Maybe a brother with transition?
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Be careful what you say more. Yeah, you would know.
It's not like you're talking about alien subjects.
Right, Yes, yeah. So even the menopause, for the
longest time I did not mention because I thought, oh, men are
going to cringe when I mention even the word for it.
But I didn't show for one of these menopause events.
Right. And I wrote specifically for
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that show. Yeah.
And I really enjoyed it. And I realized I can see it in a
way that people don't cringe. You know?
It doesn't have to be like that.Yeah.
And it doesn't. Have to be just shocking, yeah?
Yes. And when it's a part of a bigger
show, yes, it kind of mixes. Everything gets mixed.
I've always thought I don't wantto be one kind of comedian.
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So that's why you'll see. My travels are there.
I talk about America or Britain.I talk about Thailand, India.
Yeah. In the end, I roast my husband.
That's when all the sexual stuffcomes, right.
Right. You know, So it's not like from
the beginning to the end anyway.But I understand what you're
saying because I've I have heardthis from others.
Yeah, One thing that I, I think it's a bit of AI, don't know if
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it's a struggle, but it's a unique position that you're in
that if I had moved to Hong Kongwhenever it was 10 years ago or
something. And then since I have started
doing stand up until now, I was the only male comedian like who
is consistently getting booked and kind of like the top guy,
but and everybody else is a woman.
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And it's basically, I'm trying to flip the situation that we're
in because yes, it's a, you know, when you're looking at an
average line up, there's a lot of guys and it's just not just
Hong Kong, it's pretty much worldwide.
But here you're in such a strange position because you're
kind of uncontested in a way. And that puts so much pressure.
Yes. And when I thought about you and
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I'm like, if I am that and it's like all the women are just
doing their own thing, but I'm like that one guy that they go
for. So that must be that must feel
weird. I don't even know how to
describe it. So I just want to get your
experience and your thoughts on this because you really are.
And it's not again, like there are other women in the scene
hall, my friends. It's not nothing to do with, but
as a producer. And I said that to even them,
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I'm like, I'm just looking for who's good.
I don't you can be non binary. I don't give a fuck.
Like I really don't. I'm like, you know, we have
metrics. Those metrics depend vary from
one Booker to another. You are the one who is everyone
wants to book and among the female comics, definitely the
most consistent. And as I said in my own words,
people can quote me that I don'tmind uncontested.
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So how, how does how, how do youwork with that in your head?
Yeah, in the beginning I didn't.I was actually the only one.
I mean, before you you even camein the scene, it was just take
out comedy, right. And I was the only female for
about four or five years in the lineup.
And it does put pressure on you because once you start doing one
woman show and things, people expect that you, you know,
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you're standing up for the women.
Yeah, which I feel I'm doing already being this person.
And, you know, and then and thensay, speaking to Booker, saying,
hey, this girl I think is good. I'm already doing my bit.
Yeah. But I think more is expected.
Yeah. You know and.
Because you're the one woman. Yeah, because I am the one
woman, so there is that pressureon me.
And in the beginning, I used to,for example, I used to go on
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stage every time and say I'm theonly woman comic tonight, which
to me was a fact, right? And then people would clap and I
would, I felt, bring the level up.
Yes. Right.
So I saw it that way. But then I started to realize
that may be a crutch and I need to stop doing that.
I agree. Yeah, so.
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So. Because you don't like, I've
said that on the podcast before.You don't want to identify as
that. Yes.
And I have someone very early onin my comedy career had told me
that like, he's like, I was opening for like a big comedian.
I was like maybe one year in or something.
I was like, you're good, but youdon't want to be the Egyptian
comedian. Yes.
You just want to be a comedian who happens to be from Egypt.
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Yes. And it's the same thing.
You just want to be a comedian who happens to be a woman.
Yes. Not the woman.
Comedian. I just want to be a person.
Yes, I just want to be a. Person.
And I say that many times. It's like don't book me because
I'm a woman, book me because I'mgood.
No, right. So if you.
If you want to be booked becauseyou're a woman, you're in
trouble because a lot of people don't book.
Yeah, yeah. It's not even a good strategic.
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Decision. Yeah, OK.
I didn't even think it that way.I just want to.
I just always wanted to be good,irrespective of anyone around
me. I wanted to do the best with
myself, and that's me with anything in the weight loss or
whatever, you know, it had to come from me, and I want to be
the best within myself. Yeah.
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Not in comparison to anyone. Yes.
So. Yeah.
And that worked out. You know it has worked out.
How do you, again, because there's not like a limited
number of slots for men or womenor whatever, But what here,
here's another way to to maybe ask this better.
What advice would you give to women in the scene?
Because you're not even in competition with them.
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That's the thing. And again, it's not because
there is limited spots. There aren't.
Yeah. And I'm, I'm one of the main
producers in the city. We are gagging for for new
talent, men, women, dogs, just be funny and be consistent.
Yeah. So just come up and but no one
is close to you. And not because you're, again,
it's not a competition. So I don't want to say what are
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they doing wrong, but what's your advice to them so they can
start, you know, being as consistent as you are?
Just focus on your on your set, you know, write more, try to do
better. Don't think about the boys.
Don't think about making it US against them.
There is no US against. It's certainly you.
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Comedy is such a unique thing where you go on stage, you have
nobody's backing on stage. It's only you one person.
So that means you have to be good If you fuck up.
There's not like in in drama, ina play, somebody will help you,
you know, they'll say some linesand maybe, you know, cover up
for you. Nobody's going to cover up for
you. So I think you just have to work
and work and work on your set and not make it about a man,
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woman thing at all. And just as a person who wants
to be good on stage and you willbecome good, you know, and
nowadays you have so many thingsabout being viral not being
viral. Don't focus on all that, you
know, because you comedy is all about, I think maybe old school,
but it's all about how you say your joke and the joke, which
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needs so much writing to do. You can't always bank on your
audience talking to them and things like that.
So you need to write your jokes,yeah, and practice them.
I mean, you know, I find this sobasic, like what you're saying
is so logical and makes perfect sense.
And unfortunately, I, I think I would add to your, your points,
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everything you said is completely valid.
And I would say the same thing just from a booker's
perspective. I will add that being distracted
slash thinking that the politicsof, of a scene, no matter how
big or small it even matters, isnot a good way to go about it.
Because you're, every time you're thinking of politics,
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you're not really focusing on your set.
As you said, you're like, oh, this person did this or this,
you know, I'm, it's like you're still not, you know, I don't, I
think it was LeBron James or somebody who said like, you
know, you become so good, you become undeniable.
That's it. It's actually that.
It's as simple as that. So good.
You just have to become and you are undeniable that like even a
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sexist piece of shit is still going to hire you because you're
just too good and, you know, you'll add to their show.
Yeah. So that's it.
Like, that's. I would add everything you said,
especially to younger female comedians coming up in Hong
Kong. I'll just, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
be very specific here so I don'tget in trouble.
The women here like everything you said, and I will add to it
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and don't care about the politics.
The politics, as you said, it's like poking the men.
What are the men? Who gives a?
Fuck yeah, just. Doesn't matter, we are doing.
Head stands. It just doesn't matter.
If you become so good, then everybody's gonna take you, and
the audience is all that matters.
Yes, You know, if they say you're good, you're good.
Right. Yeah, You know, here, I've seen
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that a lot actually. Speaking of Thailand, Thailand
has a very toxic scene when it comes to the Bangkok scene.
There is a lot of, like, you might not know much about it,
but like there is a lot of like very small, kind of like
bookers. They all like fighting each
other and stuff. And the result is no one is
good. Yeah, yeah, the.
Comics are not good. The roofs are not great.
Yeah. And even the international acts
don't like to go there sometimesbecause they're like, they're
all idiots, Yeah. Right.
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Oh my God. But it's true.
It's like, you know, there are good guys who are running there,
but the point is that it looks like a fucking mess.
Yeah, but because everyone is like, it's like, guys, this is a
tiny pond. Yeah.
That you have no idea how the even the word.
Really works, yeah. And you're fighting over like,
you know, whatever who has said that to to end this on, you
(43:54):
know, very, very exciting thingscoming up.
Not only that you have probably your biggest show to date in
Hong Kong coming up, but also you have an Australia tour.
But we'll get to Australia in a second.
First of all, let's talk about your show.
And that's obviously I'm involved as well as the
producer. So we talked about this for a
few months or I think even a year by now.
And one of the cool things that that happened to to make the
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show come together is that you had a Dream Theater, which is
the shoe song. Theater, yes.
Why do you like that theater so much?
So when I went to open, I think,for Atul Khatri many years ago,
I was very fresh in the comedy scene, but I was opening for
him. I went early, you know, just to
see the theater. And I fell in love with it.
And I stood in the middle of thestage and I said, I hope this
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becomes mine one day. And then you call saying, hey,
we got shoes on for you. It was honestly a dream come
true. That's amazing.
That's so cool. Like it makes me actually kind
of like goosebumps. Just the idea.
And I will say you already know that, but Full disclosure, that
date kind of fell on my lap because I tried after you told
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me you want that theater. I tried with them so many times
and just not available. It's in a great location.
It's the the Art Center, the kind of Art Center in Wanchai,
one of the beautiful theater. It's also a really good size and
it's a decent price. So obviously it's like very,
very hard to book. And then my friend Leticia, who
runs Spotlight in Productions, brings this French comedians to
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Asia every few months and I workwith her on regular basis.
She had that show booked, that theater booked for September 23
and then her something happened with the tour.
We can't make that date, but sheknew that I was actually like
looking for theaters. And then she came to she's like,
yo, we have that date. Like do you want it?
I'm like, absolutely. And she just, it just kind of
fell to me. And then I called him like, I
(45:43):
got your Dream Theater and just like kind of booked it from
there. But not only that, we're doing
that on September 23rd, which issuper, super exciting, but also
we're filming the whole thing with a professional camera crew
that we will later figure out what to do with it, whether it
will market it as a special, we can cut it off for real, put it
up on YouTube, whatever we want to do.
But hey, maybe it's going to be a Netflix special, never know.
(46:06):
Yeah, but that's. It that market it as a special?
Genuinely means that. Yeah, we're gonna shoot it as a
special. Just feels nice when you say
Netflix. I know, I mean we will actually,
I mean we have a lot of listeners who are connected in
that word. If you do know a way after that
to hook us up with people who would watch and give us an
(46:27):
opinion, we're happy to. But what?
Yeah, just that tell people, sorry to put you on the spot,
but like, do like a bit of an elevator pitch for your show.
Just like, why do people, why should people come to this
particular show? Well, first of all, this is, I
think you know how they call it,Glass ceiling shattering event.
(46:50):
Yes. For Hong Kong women's comedy.
Yeah. Already.
Even even even if you take men and women together, there are
only so many that do theatre shows 100% and this will be the
first time a woman is doing a theatre show.
I've already sold out 10 shows, but it has like A120150 Max and
this is going to be 400. Yeah.
(47:11):
I the amount of this whole there's going to be 75% new set
as well, you know, out of the all the jokes, I'm going to pick
the best of the old ones and it's going to be all the new
ones. Yeah.
And I think they you guys were listening are going to have a
ball, not only because you're going to feel special sitting
(47:34):
there in this what might be special, you know, but also
because it's going to be once inAI wouldn't call once in a
lifetime for you. It's maybe once in a lifetime
for me, but hopefully not. It might be a beginning of
something amazing, you know, andyou can say, hey, I went to see
(47:54):
her in that beginning of something amazing.
I don't know, it might. No, I know.
So. Seeing how excited you are about
it and not just that, there is acouple of others.
So we talked about the Jo Wang shows, which we did just a
couple of weeks ago, and we haveBen Quinley coming up two days
before you. But both Joe and Ben are being
executed by clock and flap. This one is not.
(48:16):
This one is just me. Yeah.
So which obviously, you know, it's a lot of work.
Whatever. I accept the responsibility and
the risk and all of the pressureand the hair falling, all of
this. I'm fine with it.
But we also means we will definitely need people to come
out. Yeah.
To help us fill this one. Yeah, we're doing great, by the
way, on, you know, the numbers. We're doing fine.
And given that it's 400 people means it's, you know, it's a big
(48:38):
theater, but it's also not that big when it comes to like, it's
we're not trying to fill 10,000 seats.
So I'm very confident. But I would like everyone,
especially our our listeners to come especially like obviously
this is not a women's event as we established.
Yes, of course not. I made the men.
Yeah, they're gonna love what I say.
But. I would also like particularly
our female listeners who are usually like, and I know that
(49:00):
from actual experiences, some ofthem don't like to just always
see like the men on the lineup. So this is your chance.
Also, we have our top female comedian in Hong Kong
uncontested for the last how many years doing her biggest
show to date in Hong Kong. And it's on September 23rd at
the Tucson Theatre. The link is in the show
description. That's that's going to be the
(49:20):
last theatre show of the Hong Kong comedy season.
By the way, Ben 21 and you are 23 of September and then after
that you're off to Australia, which is also super.
Cool, my God. Yeah, let's close with that.
So Australia, you're doing the Sydney fringe, Yes, right.
So I'm going to do Sydney Fringewith Annie Louis.
Yeah. So she.
Has guests many times shout out Annie.
(49:42):
Yeah, and she and I are going todo half and half, that's for two
days and after that I'll be doing a few shows in Melbourne.
Hell yeah, we actually have quite, especially after Annie
was here for a while because I see the stats and we do have
quite a big like a some following in Melbourne and
Sydney. So what are the dates again?
I'll put them in show notes. But you know, Sydney is 27th and
(50:02):
28th. Right.
Oh wow, that's like, right. After the show I'd be flying the
very next day. Holy shit.
Yeah, it might be Soho to airport.
Yeah, yeah. Wow.
OK, that's amazing. So to airport.
Yeah. So, yeah, OK, everything is so
notes. But do check her out when you go
to Melbourne and when you do take a photo and send it to us
and we will post it on our socials as well.
(50:24):
I'm very excited for you, not just like for the show that we
have coming up, but how much, you know, one of the cool things
that I see with you, just you'reone of the people that was
genuinely enjoying her life at the moment.
We all have our struggles, we all have our ups and downs.
But right now I look at you, I'mlike, oh, that's someone who's
like happy and it's kind of rare.
(50:45):
So tired to see and especially in Hong Kong, it's very
stressful and all that. But I'm I'm happy for you, but
I'm also excited for what you have coming up.
Thank. You.
Super cool. We'll see you guys on September
23rd. It's a Tuesday night.
Please book your tickets early. It will sell out eventually.
So we just want to sell it out early and then we can focus on,
you know, preparing fun stuff for you guys.
(51:05):
We'll also have a few opening acts and all of that.
We will we'll announce that later, but for now, go to the
show Notes September 23 Tucson Theatre Mai Trekarant How do you
how do you say the the title of your.
My Triarchy. My Triarchy, there you go.
I tried to pronounce it before. I have failed.
So my Triarchy, there you go. So fun little word play.
(51:26):
And yeah, we'll also record the Patreon.
Now we have sometimes I say like, we'll talk about this.
I have no idea what we're talking about.
So we'll, we'll, we'll discuss in between recordings, but join
us on the Patreon as well. Patreon.com/your whole pod.
Other than that, all the shows and everything else coming up is
on the show notes. Thank you everybody.
(51:46):
Slide into Vivek's DMS and wish him a happy happy recovery.
One last thing, how do people find you online?
On Instagram, my tree current. OK.
All right. So I'll put that in the show
notes as well. So follow my tree as well.
And thanks everybody. Have a good week and we'll see
you at the show. Thanks my tree.
(52:31):
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