September 8, 2025 • 44 mins
If you are not familiar with Chez Trente and its legendary status among the live music scene in Hong Kong, you are missing out.
Chez Trente is a quaint, cool live music venue located in the middle of Peel Street, HK's premier bar street over the last few years, but there are no signs to guide you to Chez Trente, and if you don't know where it is, it's really hard to find. We chat with Chez Trente's founder, Joe Lung, on the origins of Chez Trente, how he came to rent an entire Star Ferry to run his music festival, and his very ambitious plans for this year's 3-day CT Music Festival on Cheung Chau from 21 to 23 Nov.
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So I reiterate here, the bill isdead.
The story of this great city is about the years before this
night. Hey everybody, it's a new
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episode of Ho Ho Hong Kong. You're used to it by now.
I'm your host, Mohammed Magdi bymyself.
Vivek, still in recovery actually would be back very
soon. So that's exciting and we
finally get to hear the full story of what happened to him.
But in the meantime, man, we aregoing a little nuts with all the
shows that we're having this month as part of the Hong Kong
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comedy season. The the week that you're
listening on in Monday 8th and forward.
So in a couple of weeks you havemy trade show on the 23rd of
September at the Tucson Theatre and then Ben Quinlan on the 21st
of September at the West Kowloon.
The box of free space. Both tickets Tickets for both
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shows are running out and there is so much happening otherwise
that we like. It's kind of weird to have this
kind of scale running like what kind of coming back to the same
to one person running everythingbecause that means you just have
zero time to to try to understand even the scale of the
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stuff that happened. But I'm very grateful there is a
lot of people who now want to work with us.
There is a Mandarin show that isabout to happen at Base Hall as
well with this lady Rachel, who's coming from I believe LA
and I'm working with a Chinese promoter on that.
There is also a Hindi show that I will announce very soon.
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It's actually on sale, but like we're waiting for the artist to
kind of start to kick things off.
But that artist is just like as big as they come and it's he has
a pretty wacko story and we'll talk about him in another time.
Other than that, there is a French show with our buddy
Leticia from Spot Lime and thereis a Rishi and Sharul coming
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later and then in October from Singapore and then myself
headlining on September 27th. So I just wanted to get all the
exciting plugs upfront so we canget to our guests.
So it's actually, I believe a good segue to introduce our
guest who is we were just talking.
We have been friends for a whileand he has one of the coolest
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stories, I think, in the art scene in Hong Kong.
And I'll let him speak for himself.
But what I find fascinating about what he has coming up is
basically kind of the equivalentof what I am trying to do with
the comedy stuff. But he is way ahead of me and
he's way more ambitious and he'sdoing much bigger stuff.
So I'm actually like, this podcast is also a little bit me
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learning from him. And you know, the music scene I
would say is a lot bigger than the comedy scene in Hong Kong
and a lot of emerging markets. I think that's the case because
music is just more established, like there is more genres to it.
So comedy, I think it's a bit more niche, but he is basically
creating his own festival that he has done already.
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But this year he's taking it to the next few levels, not just
one level. He's going a little nuts.
So again, I'll introduce my friend Joe Long.
Joe runs Shaytrant, if you don'tknow what Shaytrant is, I will
explain. I will let him explain.
And he's also one of the legendson the Hong Kong production
scene, live music scene, and just an overall awesome human
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being. Joe, thank you so much for
joining me on the podcast, man. Really appreciate you.
I'm so happy to hear this is a bit of a huge introduction.
You deserve every bit of it. On the phone now.
Yeah, you're you're one of the hardest working people I know.
And also you just have somethingthat is so cool and special.
So just talk to people a little bit first about what Chaitrant
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is. Chaitron is like a private jazz
venue. I would say the idea is to let
the musician be themselves. I've been a working musician for
many years, but I stopped it like around 10 years ago.
The one thing I really don't like is like, no matter how hard
we work as a musician and then when we play at this like luxury
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event venue, all that kind of thing, certainly like it feels
like I'm, I'm nothing. I'm a background music
generator. Yes.
No one really cares. Like if you're lucky, there
might be one or two guests that really care about the music.
So I really want to create a space that musician can be
themselves. And it's always music comes
first and people who came in, they respect the musician,
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respect the music. So that's the idea of Shaitaan.
That's amazing. And so you went from a working
musician, you're like, screw this.
I want I know how a musician feels.
So I'm going to create somethingfor them because I know what
they need basically. Yes, I'm not that big and hot.
I think the origin I try to create something for myself.
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But that makes sense because even in our word like I would
still I would do what you you are doing.
If I have the means to be like, I would just create my own
comedy club. You know, obviously for comedy,
it's that the requirements are like, we even talked about like
something like shit Ron and how to how to maybe even tweak it
to, to, to have comedy shows or whatever.
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But then also economically we can't really work with space
that doesn't hold more than likelike less than like 60-70
people, right? But the the whole idea of
starting your own thing so you can perform what did you play
first? Of all, I was a drummer, like
mainly many drums, yeah, yeah. But it's just almost impossible
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to to to play and maintain a venue at the same time at the
like. At some point I realized after
the first year, yeah, like, for example, if I'm on the drums and
then anything's happened, this track me immediately, right?
Because I'm the runner, right? So I think I realized the the
best way is just really step back and let other people to do
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it. Yeah, OK.
And right now Chitrant is on Peel St.
I actually caught you at the previous venue.
Where were you before? Chung Quoling, I believe yes,
it's. Up on Staunton, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Staunton.
It's next to PMQ up on Staunton.Also like a small alley.
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Yes, but now. Now the alleyway is even
smaller. The alleyway is smaller, but the
venue is bigger. Yes, yes, exactly.
Do you? So what's the what's the
day-to-day like at Chetron? We open Tuesday to Saturday.
Tuesday is open mic night so anyone can go up and and sing
and play. Wednesday is the jazz jam.
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We got a band hosting and then they will invite people to come
up on a stage to join them. But it's only jazz basically.
On Wednesday is very focusing. Firstly, sometimes we do movie
screening. Yeah, sometime we do.
I came and watched Borat, it wasgreat.
Oh, that was the That was a longtime ago.
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That's how I started. During COVID.
Yeah, yeah, I really want to do something related to movie.
Yeah. But right now we do something
with a community called Moving Pictures.
Really amazing. So basically it's a community
run by indie movie makers. They they make soft films.
So right now it's more like a screening for those indie movie
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from Hong Kong. Yeah.
And also director will be there like AQ and a something like
that. Yeah, and that's when is it?
Every Thursday, but right now because they are very busy about
making the new movie. Yeah.
So I think it's like a twice a month right now.
It really depends on their schedule.
Yeah, we will put all the details of how do people find
Shaytrant and all of this at theend of the episode.
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And it's also going to be in theshow description in the notes so
people can know how to find it. But aside from that's OK.
So that's Thursday movie screen and then on the weekend.
Weekends always shows like a like a jazz show by
professionals. Yeah, sometimes it will be some
in demand that they do their original.
I really try to, you know, keep a good balance, not just jazz,
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because I think it's also very important about the education,
like letting people to to which are like some young musician,
they don't know what they want to play yet.
Yes, they just want to form a band and let's start it.
That's normal. That's how I started.
So my my concept is let them to get connected with some other
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musician, maybe jazz musician and then see if they like them,
like to get involved in the industry.
Yeah, OK. And before we move into the
Shetrunk Music Festival, I want to go back a bit in your
history. So you are from Hong Kong, Born
and raised, Yeah. Yeah.
And where? What did you study?
Hong Kong. No.
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What did you study? What?
What? What did I study?
Yeah, jeez. Fashion design in Poly U.
Fashion designer Poly U Yeah, that's really interesting
though. Like what?
What guy you into fashion designand does it affect at all how
you're doing things today? Not really.
I didn't finish it. I quit after the first year I
did OK. Yeah, I don't like it.
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Yeah, I don't like the that was.It your choice the the fashion
design school. I was in Beijing by the time I
left Hong Kong. Just sort of like, I don't know,
travel, exploring the world. And then my mom told me, oh, I
applied for university for you. I thought, you love fashion
design, right? And they take you.
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They take you. So come back.
OK. So I came back and I tried a
little bit. I tried the first year and then
I already, you know, seeing the world outside.
So so I'm not interested in this.
So you were just. Travelling in China at the time
just. Like hanging out, sort of.
My dad was there in the back of the time, so I was sort of like
helping him a little bit, sure, but mainly just fucking around.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just hanging out.
Yeah. And then, OK, so you came back,
did one year at Pau Liu and thendidn't like it at all.
I don't like the the system, like the school and and a lot of
things it's hard to explain. It's just like it makes me feel
like somehow it's quite a dark industry.
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So there are fashion industry, Yeah.
Why is that? Doesn't matter because now like
I grow up, I realize every industry is so dark.
OK, so you actually see the reality of the words.
It's like it's not the, it's notthe fashion, it's the word.
It's not as fuck, yeah. That's that's, that's such a
oblique way to learn about the word.
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Like, you're right for sure. Because I actually like, I can
probably like, I can think like looking back that I would think
the same thing, Like, oh, these things are evil and these things
are not done right. And then you grow up and you're
like, oh, even sports is like fucked up.
Yeah, yeah. And even like, you know, stuff
like a marathon or whatever, everything is just like, it's
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really like, there's some reallydark shit.
Yes, that is happening everywhere.
So you're right. It's just the word, it's not the
best. Did you study anything else?
No, not really. I was playing music on the side
by myself. Yeah.
And then turns out I was OK and then like.
When was the first time you picked up like drumsticks and
start playing? 20 actually quite late.
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Wow. 1st And before that you didn't have any interest in
music. Nothing.
I, I, I had some Chinese instrument experience for two
years. Yeah, back in time, like, very,
very little when I was. And then, yeah, after one or two
years of learning, the the teacher already asked, oh, do
you want to teach at my teachingcenter?
So, oh, seems like I Got Talent on this kind of thing.
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That's how I started. Yeah.
Yeah. And then back in the time I
think, wow, music art is such a pure industry.
You're so naive. Yes.
Let's jump into it. Yeah, yeah.
Amazing. And when did you start opening
your own venue? So you said like you played in
in other bands, like stuff around town and stuff.
And then when did you make that call?
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You said earlier about like, OK,fuck this, I know what the
musicians need. I'm going to open my own thing
and give them the platform. When did you make that switch?
All right. I think I have that idea for 10
years now, but we opened maybe seven years ago.
So the first, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
And that was the location on Staunton.
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Yeah, yeah, we spent a lot of time there during covert
playing. I don't think that will get you
in trouble. I was gonna say we played hide
and seek with the cops a lot there.
There's a lot of like, you know,they're passing by stuff and
they're like, oh, shit. And then like, we'll go inside
or like, yeah. But it's like, it's interesting.
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Like that whole COVID time was really like, this was like Shay,
Toronto is one of my like refugee spots.
And I think there's a lot of friends like that.
The other one shout out was FLMFLM, the guys at FLM.
You know what? FLM is the gay bar on on Queens
Rd. Queen Cafe.
Yes, I think so. So they have like 2 floors.
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They have one. Yeah, yeah, I know.
I know. So that's another one that would
do a lock in. Yeah.
And one of the funniest nights we had was during you when you,
when you were doing the raids, like making sure the businesses
are closed, blah, blah, blah. So FLM, you can enter from Cafe
Queen, which is in Queens Road and you can enter from the back
door on Jervoir downstairs, right?
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So the cops and Joseph, I hope I'm not getting him.
I don't think it's getting him in trouble, But so they would,
you know, the door is closed andwe're hanging out there like
kind of quietly, People are drinking, it doesn't matter.
And then he has cameras outside the door and then the cop, like
he would see when the cops are passing by, he'll tell us to
quiet and everything, but there's a whole other club
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downstairs. So anyway, people got a bit
loose and then people went downstairs to the club and
started like partying, like the DJ was on people smoking,
drinking. So and then the cops decided to
come in, but they came in from upstairs because the door
downstairs is just like a like asteel door.
It's really hard to get through.So they went from upstairs.
So now Joseph has to get us all out from downstairs and then and
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then the cops he like bought some time, basically started
arguing with them, whatever. And then his partner got us all
out from the back door on Jervoir.
So the cops went like, oh, we'regoing to come in to check what's
happening. And he said, see, there is
nobody. But the funny part is there was
like half drunk glasses and cigarettes that are still on.
And he was like, oh, just me andmy friends hanging out here.
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There's nobody. But because we're out on the
street, there's 100 people on the street, but there is no
proof, proof that they were inside.
Wow, there's 100 people. Yeah, yeah, it was.
It was not a few. People that's that's another
level. Yeah, it was not a.
Few people. So they were so frustrated
because they couldn't do anything and they were just
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standing outside and all they did was, oh, group driving of
four people. They just kept like, putting us
like separate from each other, but then they couldn't do
anything. Wow, It's crazy.
Yeah, this is crazy. Yeah.
So obviously she thought we did not do anything illegal.
It was all according to the law.Yes, yes.
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We followed the law strictly forthree years, yes.
Yes. OK, so now and then.
So you're running Shetron and then you started, you can
correct me if I'm wrong, you started Shetron Music Festival
the first time you did it on a Star Ferry.
Was that the first version? Yes, yes, for the first.
Time and that was two years ago,right?
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OK, so first of all, just for general information to me and
the audience, how the hell do you hire the whole Star Ferry?
How does that even work? Money so.
Such an such a Hong Kong answer too.
So throw money at the problem, yes?
No, no, no, they literally waiting out for party, but it's
just extremely expensive. So the first year we did make a
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little money, yeah. And then after like the crew,
around 10 people, yeah, drinkinga little bit as a after party,
you know, celebration, the successful of the the festival.
And then we lost money. That's how much we made.
I think we made like 800 or something.
Right, right, right. And then you blew it on the same
night. Yeah, yeah.
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More than that, so we knew it because the boat is so
expensive. So, OK, so you ran it for one
night? Yes, 7 hours.
I think they they rented out by hours.
By hours. OK, so just walk us through the
setup of that. Like, so you've decided to
basically have a music festival on the Star Ferry and the Star
Ferry, where does it go? Just back and forward in the
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harbour. Oh, just is it the same route as
the regular star? Ferry.
No, no, no, no, not that. Would drive you crazy.
Just go back and forth for. 7 hours.
So it's geese to us, someone S Kiwan to maybe Kennedy time.
I don't know. Saiwan, OK.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's still pretty good
distance, like with the view andeverything.
Yes, yes. And how many people were on the
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Star Ferry? I think they can.
The maximum capacity is 28290, something like this.
Yeah, and what's the legality like?
How do you get all the licenses to play music and stuff on the
Star? It's a private party.
OK, nice, nice, nice. It's a private party for CT
people. Someone.
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Someone's birthday. Yes, exactly.
Exactly. Yeah.
OK. So for that obviously don't need
any sort of like proper like ticketing license or whatever.
Wow, that's so cool. OK, so and what was your take
away from this aside from the venue being venue, the boat
being very expensive. Would you, do you think like you
wouldn't do it again because of it's expensive or do you want to
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scale up and have more people? First thing is, I, I got bored
quite easily. So.
So I wanted to think differentlyevery year.
Yeah, we might go back to the boat because it's really, really
good experience. Yeah, but it's also a chaos,
especially the toilet. Yes, yes. 300 people with two
toilets. Oh yeah, I know.
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For seven hours. I don't think I've even been to
a toilet on the Star Ferry. Where is it?
Yes, it's on the like the the first four I would say.
Right the bottom. Deck the bottom deck, yeah.
Yeah, OK. Yeah, yeah, that's good.
Because obviously the regular Star Ferry trip between Central
and TST is a 7 minute trip. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So no one uses the toilet. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah. OK.
And then but also the D, did youmanage to clear out all the
chair on the seats in the middleor no?
No, no, no, with the seats, it'sstill there.
It's still there. Wow.
So like, you know, thinking in agood way, everybody got the
seated. Yes, yes, that is, that is good.
Obviously don't want people to get drunk and get stupid but I'm
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I'm just trying to. And then because there's 2
levels are people playing different music up and down?
Yes, we got. We didn't use the bottom deck at
the end because it's too smelly that the gasoline.
Yeah, Yeah, it's pretty strong, yeah.
Yeah. So we we do two side silent
disco at the end. Yeah.
And then the band on in the front, Yeah.
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Oh, silent disco. That's fine.
That's something you also have for this coming festival.
Yes, exactly. Yeah, it helps not just because
you can hear the music better, but also it's easier to manage
when when the stage is not too far away from from each other.
So it. Helps.
I've seen people randomly maybe like, I don't know how long ago,
maybe a year ago, I was passing by on Hollywood Road and there
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was just like a bunch of people standing in front of that new
pizza shop or whatever. And it's like 15 kids just like
wearing the headphones with the with the lights on them.
And this is like dancing to likesilent disco on the street.
Yeah, it's pretty wild. I've not seen that before.
So. OK, so the first year decided.
Why did you decide to do ShetronMusic Festival anyway?
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I don't know. It's just like I always have
this kind of idea. Either you go bigger or you
stop. Yes.
Yeah, yeah. I don't want to say you died.
No, no, no, you're right. Because actually, no, you're
right. The actually the episode that we
did just a few weeks ago about the comedy season that we're
doing, I titled it the same thing.
Go big or go home, basically. Yeah, it's it's basically that
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because you are, I would say you're quite comfortable in like
just having Shaytron as a base, right.
Yeah. Like there is no problem.
Like everything is fine. Yeah.
But then there's there's not that much excitement.
Right. Yeah, exactly.
There is no. Real challenge, yes.
You're like, I can keep doing this forever.
Yes, and it's great. But then where is the challenge
of that exactly? Where is the risk, Right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's your your thinking is
like, I need to take a risk. I need to make things bigger.
Yeah. Right.
So after the boat you did last year, where did you do it?
It's a club called Trilogy that you have like like 2 levels,
three different area. They have a Speakeasy jazz bar,
and then they have this main dancing club.
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And then at the rooftop they have like a launch, like a DJ
style kind of stage. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that was over also one day or.
Just one day, just Saturday, I believe.
So he took over the whole thing.Yes, free stage.
That's the first time we do freestage thing, which is really,
really amazing that there's likea lot of things happening.
Yeah, people can, you know, rotate if they find that's not
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their music. Yeah, just find something new.
Yeah. And then did you make any money
from that? Yes.
Yes, so you started learning howto make money from.
That yes, yes, this time we we can afford a a dinner.
Yeah, nice. You can afford after show
dinner. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A decent dinner this time we're gonna afford, so that's good.
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Nice. OK.
And how many artists did you work with last year?
20 puts, I think it's like 20 something I I can't really
remember. And it's mostly jazz musicians.
Not really. So the layout of the venue, they
actually the speak Easy Bar is ajazz bar.
Yeah, so big. Piano.
I've been there, yeah. So we have a jazz stage, like
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all the jazz music is in that room.
And then we have like a bigger stage for for a bigger band.
Like, not necessary, but it's sort of like related to jazz or
soul funk, that kind of thing. Yes, yes.
So this year, which is kind of the main, the main point of this
episode, aside from introducing you to our audience as just a
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generally cool human being and having a great venue, is that
this year you're going really big, at least in comparison to
the last couple of years, right?Yes, yes, yes.
We're going to do it in in Changzhou.
That might be complicated for for some guests, but I really
love the venue. When I first walk into it, it's
called Saiyun. It's like 500,000 square feet
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campsite really, really huge. Yeah.
And they got like everything setto it.
Like, I mean, they they got loads of toilets and then they
got gramping that you can stay in like the facility, like
everything. Yeah, They got things for kids,
like a rope, like all this playground thing.
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. So it's really like perfect for
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doing music festival. Right.
So we were talking before recording and you actually give
an example with Fuji Rock. Right.
Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, which I actually think
that. I haven't been to Fuji Rock, but
I'm familiar with it and I thinkyou really nailed it there when
you're like, oh, we don't have something like this here.
So that's kind of the model you're looking at, right?
Yes, exactly, exactly because like every time like Hong Kong
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people talk that a lot like the Fuji Rock and then they will
show you photos and experience. Like me myself, I haven't been
there but like almost all my friends been there, yes.
Now it just make me very difficult.
Now I have family and kids, so Iwas like, oh, probably I can't
get there in the next few years.So you can just make it make
your own Fuji Rock. Right, that's the idea.
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Let's have a, Yeah, let's have asmall one.
I mean like for sure the scale is not the same.
But it's fascinating you're saying this because you're doing
exactly what I'm doing with our industries.
It's exactly the same. I'm doing like with, with
comedy, I'm doing exactly that. It's like no one is doing this
here at this level. Like the, you know, the comedy
season thing, like everything inone month, like trying to run as
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many shows as possible, whatever, all of these things.
And you're like, no one is doingthis particular thing in my
industry. I would be the one doing it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I someone that like to be the
one to make things happen. Yes, yeah, Because if we wait
for people to like, oh, I hope one day Live Nation or whatever,
I hope one day they will do it. And then you're just waiting for
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some big company to maybe make it happen for you.
And it's never going to be as good as when you make it
yourself because it's done according to your own vision,
right? Yes.
You're a musician. I'm a comedian.
You know what? The musician.
Needs. Exactly.
And I know what a comedian needs, yes.
Exactly. Yeah, that's awesome.
So with this one, you're going for first of all three days,
right? Three days, yes.
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Yes, so people can camp. People can, yeah, have a whole.
Clamping, like the fancy clamping.
You can rent it like it's a building camp that with AC and
washroom that you can do that aswell.
But you can also just camping. Camp on the beach for free.
Oh yeah? Wait, it's a whole private
thing? Yeah.
It's a whole private thing. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, but that's awesome. So and you haven't at the time
of recording, you haven't announced the lineup yet, right?
We haven't, we haven't. We're still on the blind bird,
but we will allow so in the nextfew days.
Yeah. OK.
So Blind Bird, which is the tickets, you can see them in the
description of the episode BlindBird are Eventbrite and what are
you to do stuff at this scale? And we talked a little bit
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before recording. To do stuff at this scale, you
have to work with other people alot of.
Other people. A lot of other.
People right, because I'm comparing it to your Star ferry,
which I imagine very straightforward.
You took the venue that boat private hire the end.
You're just telling friends, hey, you perform there, you play
there, ha ha, we're all having fun, yes, but this time you're
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doing. This is serious business.
Shut up. Shut up.
Yes, we, we also try to bring inoversea artists.
Right now I, I'm not sure how many I can bring in, but I
wanted because I promised. So there will be at least one
difficulties. We we're trying to get sponsor
from from like some airlines seeif they can sponsor the tickets.
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That helps a lot. Yeah, yeah.
If it's not going to happen, I will.
Yeah. I promise I will at least get
one. Yeah, OK.
Well, the visa is also another alittle bit of a difficult thing
here because the fees of the visa just went up a lot.
They went from because I bring artists every month, so they
went from 230 to 1200. Damn, I didn't know that.
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Maybe that will help you consider or reconsider your
promise about the bringing in. 1LS1LS1.
One is it should be OK if you have an airline sponsor.
That should help a lot. But how?
How do you see the shift in trying like to to?
I find it a little hard. When I started doing bigger
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stuff because I'm also working with other people, I found it a
little hard. As someone who I guess I can,
you can, I don't know if it's fair to call myself a control
freak, but I would like to have the the like I know what the
vision is. I know the final vision is, but
obviously in business that's that's, that's not how it works.
At some point you have to start giving stuff to other people.
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Otherwise you'll go mental and you'll not go right.
You can explain like you can understand that fully.
I'm. Sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. First, first thing of all, I'm
definitely a control freak. Yeah, OK, Most of my friends
agreed, right? Yeah.
But yeah, there's this process to learn how.
To hand over. Stuff to people, yeah, yeah,
yeah. How to let go.
That's it, actually. That's a really good word, yeah.
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Because like, I'm looking at theprogram for the for the comedy,
for the sorry for the music season, for the music festival.
And right now we're talking about about four stages for
three days and then, you know, everyone can see it on the
website on Eventbrite. But then there is a lot of I
feel like there's so much happening, silent disco kids and
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families, overseas bands, which we're not sure about.
Yeah, take out the S yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Overseas band, maybe just overseas and that's it.
And then you have inside what's Insider Tours.
Sorry. There's something called Insider
Tool. OK, we will organize something
that people will show you aroundChangchao.
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So basically outside of the campsite, actually.
Nice. Yeah, we find some nature expert
to do some tour with the families and stuff.
Yeah, and then you have morning Yoga craft workshop, so it feels
like it's a full experience. Yeah.
But it's also like knowing that you are in charge basically by
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yourself. I know you're handing over stuff
to other people, but I'm just trying to understand how you set
your own expectations when it comes to like, not being
overwhelmed by all of this. I don't know, but I, I, besides
of like the music industry, I'm also working with a lot of arts
people in Hong Kong and art Changzhou is actually a place
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that have a lot of artists inside like because they don't
like the city life, right? They all move to Changzhou.
I know them pretty well. So it's based on trust actually
all this workshop or like a tourthing like run by my friends and
I knew them for that case. Right.
So it's a lot of like pooling together all your friends who
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know how to do something and in the art world that you just want
them to all to get together for one week and every year and and
do this. Changshao is an interesting
place, I think because you're right.
Like it's like every time I go there, it feels like the people
who are just like, have not haveopted out of the system,
basically. Yeah, right.
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Did you, where did you grow up in Hong Kong?
It wasn't there, no. Well, it's a long journey.
I I, I was wasting in the shot teen.
Which doesn't sound too far away, right?
Yeah, that's what nowaday it used to be like Changshi or to
the moon, like really, really far away from from the city and
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and like doing time to time I try to move closer, closer to
the center. Yeah, to the center, which is.
I live in Central now. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So it can be our previous, just that last episode we had a
comedian, My Trick around on thepodcast and she started in
Stanley years ago and then went to Cyclone and then Happy
Valley, and now she lives in Central.
Yeah, it's like basically very similar.
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Exploring the Hong Kong I used to live in Saigon for two years
as. Well, yeah, very similar stuff.
So going back to actually, I find this also quite cool, the
comparison. I don't know anything about the
music world and you don't know anything about the comedy world.
Not much, right? How is it like, Like in the
comedy world, there's a lot of like they're artists, right?
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Everybody like is kind of different to manage and stuff.
How do you deal with the dealingwith the artist like ego?
Because I find that really interesting because I have to
manage them as well. The music, the comedians.
Yeah. So I imagine that like as
someone who has the venue, sometimes you have to be the
boss in a way. How do you deal with that?
First of all, I form away my. Yeah, you have to throw away
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yours. Yeah, yeah.
And then it's not that difficultactually.
It's based on understanding eachother.
I think if the more you talk to them, it's and you will find it
actually, it's not that difficult.
It's just some misunderstanding at the end.
And then thanks for the taunt that I hang out with them a lot.
So basically, I really know whatthey're thinking.
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Yeah. So that's how I started now.
Now I don't see it as a problem or difficulty anymore basically.
Yeah, you're just seeing it as like, just basically trying to
understand another human being. Yeah, and the more you
understand them, the easier it will be for you to work with.
Them. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Right, Yeah, yeah, But here at
the at the Chitron Festival, you're not really.
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Are you working? Is everybody you're working with
you? We have 30 plus artists or
bands. Yeah.
Is everybody you on the on the line up?
I know it's still a secret, but is everybody people you already
work with or are familiar? So 90% of the band is like I,
I've been worked with, I know them in person and some of them
is like a big band that high up there that I never get a chance
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to work with before. Yeah, because of this festival.
I think they like the concept. And then like we have might have
some middle man that they know both each other.
Yes. So there will be some other
bands that I've never worked with.
And I also want to give a shout to James from Sea Hall.
Yeah, amazing music brand. They he also helped me to bring
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in artists and also oversee artists.
Basically, he's a very similar man.
There's like a make it happen and they're more like it has the
most important thing for him is like, is it interesting enough?
Yeah, I really think the mentality of make it happen
here, it's obviously you can seeit in a lot of places, even
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people who just have regular jobs, like in an office or
whatever, because Hong Kong is such a high pressure city that
everybody needs to make it happen.
But in our word, if you're just working for yourself or if you
really make it happen, you need to make it happen so you can pay
your rent, basically. You have what, two kids?
Yeah. Yeah.
So like, you know, you need to feed the kids, right?
It's like, obviously your wife works as well and everything,
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but like they make it happen mentality.
I think in the art world it's sodifficult because it's the
easiest thing is just give up and be like, OK, I'm just going
to go work for whatever, right. When you have that much
pressure. So the fact that you're still
doing it is so cool. And then you can you're finding
other friends who are doing it as well, like James or myself.
Yeah, Right. So going back to this, I would
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like to also try to. I have been to a music festival
like this years and years ago inEurope.
It's a very big. It's called Roskilde.
It's in Denmark. And you, the headliners were
like Stevie Wonder. And, you know, I would cast it
was It was insane. Yeah.
Yeah. So obviously not.
I'm saying like this in the scale of, like, 3 days.
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Yeah. And, you know, different camping
and all the stuff. And it became one of the biggest
music festivals in Europe. But like, there is so much
happening. And I can imagine if I am in
charge, I would probably go insane.
So how do you manage your own sanity that you are you have
your expecting house, OK? So you just go.
(35:10):
With the insanity, yeah. OK, I I lost my shit a lot of
times. You already did.
But oh, something I want to bring up is like you, you
mentioned like Stevie Wonder, really big scale.
Yeah. That's I, I heard something on
the first music festival from from one of the artists.
Yeah, Nate, who was one of the biggest artists here in Hong
Kong, in my opinion. I mean the jazz scene, yeah, he
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said. I, I, I told him, sorry, there's
a little bit of chaos here and there.
And then he was like, no, that'swhat make it fun, right?
That's what makes it this festival special than the
others. So I sometimes I think like a
local small festival is very interesting because when you go
you really feel you're connectedwith all the other people that
getting involved. Right.
(35:54):
Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
And you, like, there's people also that sometimes only work
under a specific kind of pressure as well, Like, as in
like the artist. Sometimes they're like, oh,
we're just like hanging out and stuff.
But like, no, bro, you have to perform.
These people bought tickets, right?
Yeah. So you kind of have to take it a
bit more seriously. Yes, right.
Yes, yes. And for this as well, one of the
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cool things I want to like try to understand is you're, you're
encouraging people to bring their kids and families.
Right. Yes.
Yes. So how would how do you manage
that? Stay away from the center.
OK, so the kids and the family should be a little bit on the
same. Side I'm kidding.
(36:35):
I'm kidding. Yeah, yes, we have a lot of
events like program is good for kids.
I don't want to go too crazy at some point.
I mean, like we we're not havinga death metal festival, right?
So there's not like mush bit or whatever.
Like, yeah, yeah. So the music style itself and
everything is more, I would say family friendly.
(36:57):
Yeah, that kind of thing. Yeah.
And also the workshop, like it'smainly for kids.
I I think this might be because I have kids now.
So I I want to organize an eventthat is like a good for families
like my my kids can goes as well.
Yes. I mean, look, obviously we have
in Hong Kong, the big ones are what, Clock and Flap, that's an
establishment. Cream Fields, that's another
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establishment. Is there anything else outside
of this really big kind of like music festivals?
Yeah, but the one that actually that happened in the same venue
is called Seafood Meats, I think, right.
They've been I haven't heard thevenue.
It's quite big actually. They do it at the same venue.
But this year they they they stopped for some reason.
But it's a electronic music festival, right?
(37:41):
It's more like for grow UPS. It goes really wild crazy like a
wave, right, right. So but when I when I saw the
venue whenever first time visit and I see the like the
possibility that we can do like a family for any kind of event,
it's actually more for a family for any because that's what they
bill for, right. It's a campsite.
Yes, yes, yeah. So what are?
(38:02):
They using it like so the outside of the private hire like
yours they are using it for justlike people to rent out the
space to camp right? Yes.
Yeah. OK, I see.
I think for this one, so you're basically creating something
that hasn't been done for the like for the jazz scene before
in Hong Kong. But it's not just jazz, it's the
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whole experience of also run quite low key, I would say like
like underground vibes, right? But now you want it to be a bit
more structured. So here's my question.
What? How big do you think you want to
take this? You mean from here?
Yeah. From here, from after this year.
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So you're looking at 4 stages for three days.
I think I'm I'm happy to keep this scale for a few years
first. OK, OK.
Because I think to be to be honest, I think that that would
be things out of my hands this year, that that might be some
chaos, to be honest. Of course.
So, so I, I want to learn from this.
Make it a perfect event. Yeah.
Festival first, yeah, before I move on.
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Yeah, I mean, I, I will speak onbehalf of a lot of our
listeners. I really think this is something
that they would enjoy, especially as you said, like
listeners with kids, like peoplewho have like looking for
something a bit different to do on the weekend.
Also November, usually the weather is pretty nice.
Yeah, not not rainy season. So I would be there.
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We already talked about this before.
Like I would be there helping out for a couple of nights as
well. Yeah.
Yeah. So I'll be there so you guys can
catch me there. But overall, I really think it's
such a cool, unique thing for for people to do in Hong Kong.
Yeah. And it's also one amazing way to
directly support art. Like, you know, you hear a lot
of like support art to support art scene.
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This doesn't get as more supportart as this right?
It's like the flows you can. Do yeah.
There is no there is no middle man, there's no middle people.
They're working with you directly and they're working
like tickets is going directly with with with Chetron basically
accounts. So and then it's obviously you
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have the venue, you have the artist, everyone's getting paid
and all of this stuff, food and all of these things.
So it's a cool underground vibe that I.
Fully get behind, not just because you're my friend, but I
really think if I didn't know you and someone told me, hey,
look at this event, I would go just to like check out, check it
out. I'm like, Oh, this is cool
because you know. Yeah, I feel the same.
(40:31):
I would go myself, yeah. Exactly.
But I mean, you know, I work with clock and flap and a lot of
stuff, and I have so much respect for them.
The scale that they have right now is insane.
Right? Yeah.
So it's crazy. It's crazy and sometimes even if
I am a customer, I might not go every year because I'm like,
it's so overwhelming. Like that's great.
(40:51):
Like you can go for one day if you see like an artist you like
or whatever. But this is something like yours
is something I'm like, oh, this is going to be like super chill
in a way. Like, oh, I can just go with my
friend without like, you know, the insanity of like so much
production and stuff like this. Not that I wouldn't like that
either, but you know what I mean?
So I, I really think it's going to be cool.
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So I I encourage everybody and our listeners, please come check
it out. Like when last year the first
time content fab like ticket fablike a contact us they said, oh
your event looks really cool Cancan we sell your tickets yeah
then I was like, oh we did something right I.
Yeah, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, No, those, those guys are
great. We work with them on regular
basis. Shout out to the whole team
Korakini killing all of the everybody at and Justin, of
(41:36):
course, everybody at clock and flap and I'll be there also this
year. So you'll see me there as well.
But Joe, thank you so much for joining us, man.
This was. Super pleasure.
My pleasure. I'm really looking forward to
this. I haven't been to be honest.
Like I didn't go to clock and flap since COVID and I'm trying
to even think of when was the last time I was at anything like
this and it must have been pre COVID.
(41:58):
So I'm just excited to even justbe in in in a cool environment
like, you know, camping and all of this.
Stuff. Yeah, I'm excited myself.
Yeah, I was going to say like just one advice.
I'm younger than you. Just if you take it from like a
young brother is like you alwaysneed to make sure that you are
having fun otherwise this whole thing is pointless.
That's right. That's right.
Don't let the stress get to you and don't be like, Oh my God,
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like, you know, always putting out fires.
If you're doing that, you're just never it's not going to be
worth. It Yeah, that's true.
That's true. I take that advice.
You're right. So everyone check out all the
all the information is in the show description below.
And hopefully we'll see you guysat the Shade Trunk Music
Festival. It's on the 21st, Friday 21st,
Saturday 22nd and Sunday 23rd ofNovember on Chung Chao.
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And yeah, you will see me helping around there.
I'll be wearing probably a sillyname tag and telling you to, you
know, put out your fires or whatever.
So let's see, Joe will give me ajob, but I'll tell you about it
later. Thank you everyone for tuning
in. We have, as I said, like we're,
we're starting really strong. Actually, at this point, the
show count in September is about10, including the two theatre
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shows. So we're going to be very busy.
But obviously the podcast will keep going as it is.
Don't forget to slide slide intothe Vex DMS and wish him a happy
recovery. And I will catch you guys on the
Patreon. And then those of you are not on
the Patreon, sign up patreon.com/robopod.
For $5 a month, you can get to support us doing all this cool
(43:28):
stuff. If not, we'll see you guys on
here next week. Thank you.
Thanks, Joe. Thanks for joining us.
And we'll see you at Chitrant. Bye bye.
Bye.
So I reiterate here, the bill isdead.
The story of this great city is about the years before this
night. Hey everybody, it's a new
(00:23):
episode of Ho Ho Hong Kong. You're used to it by now.
I'm your host, Mohammed Magdi bymyself.
Vivek, still in recovery actually would be back very
soon. So that's exciting and we
finally get to hear the full story of what happened to him.
But in the meantime, man, we aregoing a little nuts with all the
shows that we're having this month as part of the Hong Kong
(00:45):
comedy season. The the week that you're
listening on in Monday 8th and forward.
So in a couple of weeks you havemy trade show on the 23rd of
September at the Tucson Theatre and then Ben Quinlan on the 21st
of September at the West Kowloon.
The box of free space. Both tickets Tickets for both
(01:06):
shows are running out and there is so much happening otherwise
that we like. It's kind of weird to have this
kind of scale running like what kind of coming back to the same
to one person running everythingbecause that means you just have
zero time to to try to understand even the scale of the
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stuff that happened. But I'm very grateful there is a
lot of people who now want to work with us.
There is a Mandarin show that isabout to happen at Base Hall as
well with this lady Rachel, who's coming from I believe LA
and I'm working with a Chinese promoter on that.
There is also a Hindi show that I will announce very soon.
(01:50):
It's actually on sale, but like we're waiting for the artist to
kind of start to kick things off.
But that artist is just like as big as they come and it's he has
a pretty wacko story and we'll talk about him in another time.
Other than that, there is a French show with our buddy
Leticia from Spot Lime and thereis a Rishi and Sharul coming
(02:12):
later and then in October from Singapore and then myself
headlining on September 27th. So I just wanted to get all the
exciting plugs upfront so we canget to our guests.
So it's actually, I believe a good segue to introduce our
guest who is we were just talking.
We have been friends for a whileand he has one of the coolest
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stories, I think, in the art scene in Hong Kong.
And I'll let him speak for himself.
But what I find fascinating about what he has coming up is
basically kind of the equivalentof what I am trying to do with
the comedy stuff. But he is way ahead of me and
he's way more ambitious and he'sdoing much bigger stuff.
So I'm actually like, this podcast is also a little bit me
(02:54):
learning from him. And you know, the music scene I
would say is a lot bigger than the comedy scene in Hong Kong
and a lot of emerging markets. I think that's the case because
music is just more established, like there is more genres to it.
So comedy, I think it's a bit more niche, but he is basically
creating his own festival that he has done already.
(03:17):
But this year he's taking it to the next few levels, not just
one level. He's going a little nuts.
So again, I'll introduce my friend Joe Long.
Joe runs Shaytrant, if you don'tknow what Shaytrant is, I will
explain. I will let him explain.
And he's also one of the legendson the Hong Kong production
scene, live music scene, and just an overall awesome human
(03:38):
being. Joe, thank you so much for
joining me on the podcast, man. Really appreciate you.
I'm so happy to hear this is a bit of a huge introduction.
You deserve every bit of it. On the phone now.
Yeah, you're you're one of the hardest working people I know.
And also you just have somethingthat is so cool and special.
So just talk to people a little bit first about what Chaitrant
(04:00):
is. Chaitron is like a private jazz
venue. I would say the idea is to let
the musician be themselves. I've been a working musician for
many years, but I stopped it like around 10 years ago.
The one thing I really don't like is like, no matter how hard
we work as a musician and then when we play at this like luxury
(04:26):
event venue, all that kind of thing, certainly like it feels
like I'm, I'm nothing. I'm a background music
generator. Yes.
No one really cares. Like if you're lucky, there
might be one or two guests that really care about the music.
So I really want to create a space that musician can be
themselves. And it's always music comes
first and people who came in, they respect the musician,
(04:47):
respect the music. So that's the idea of Shaitaan.
That's amazing. And so you went from a working
musician, you're like, screw this.
I want I know how a musician feels.
So I'm going to create somethingfor them because I know what
they need basically. Yes, I'm not that big and hot.
I think the origin I try to create something for myself.
(05:12):
But that makes sense because even in our word like I would
still I would do what you you are doing.
If I have the means to be like, I would just create my own
comedy club. You know, obviously for comedy,
it's that the requirements are like, we even talked about like
something like shit Ron and how to how to maybe even tweak it
to, to, to have comedy shows or whatever.
(05:32):
But then also economically we can't really work with space
that doesn't hold more than likelike less than like 60-70
people, right? But the the whole idea of
starting your own thing so you can perform what did you play
first? Of all, I was a drummer, like
mainly many drums, yeah, yeah. But it's just almost impossible
(05:55):
to to to play and maintain a venue at the same time at the
like. At some point I realized after
the first year, yeah, like, for example, if I'm on the drums and
then anything's happened, this track me immediately, right?
Because I'm the runner, right? So I think I realized the the
best way is just really step back and let other people to do
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it. Yeah, OK.
And right now Chitrant is on Peel St.
I actually caught you at the previous venue.
Where were you before? Chung Quoling, I believe yes,
it's. Up on Staunton, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Staunton.
It's next to PMQ up on Staunton.Also like a small alley.
(06:37):
Yes, but now. Now the alleyway is even
smaller. The alleyway is smaller, but the
venue is bigger. Yes, yes, exactly.
Do you? So what's the what's the
day-to-day like at Chetron? We open Tuesday to Saturday.
Tuesday is open mic night so anyone can go up and and sing
and play. Wednesday is the jazz jam.
(06:59):
We got a band hosting and then they will invite people to come
up on a stage to join them. But it's only jazz basically.
On Wednesday is very focusing. Firstly, sometimes we do movie
screening. Yeah, sometime we do.
I came and watched Borat, it wasgreat.
Oh, that was the That was a longtime ago.
(07:20):
That's how I started. During COVID.
Yeah, yeah, I really want to do something related to movie.
Yeah. But right now we do something
with a community called Moving Pictures.
Really amazing. So basically it's a community
run by indie movie makers. They they make soft films.
So right now it's more like a screening for those indie movie
(07:41):
from Hong Kong. Yeah.
And also director will be there like AQ and a something like
that. Yeah, and that's when is it?
Every Thursday, but right now because they are very busy about
making the new movie. Yeah.
So I think it's like a twice a month right now.
It really depends on their schedule.
Yeah, we will put all the details of how do people find
Shaytrant and all of this at theend of the episode.
(08:02):
And it's also going to be in theshow description in the notes so
people can know how to find it. But aside from that's OK.
So that's Thursday movie screen and then on the weekend.
Weekends always shows like a like a jazz show by
professionals. Yeah, sometimes it will be some
in demand that they do their original.
I really try to, you know, keep a good balance, not just jazz,
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because I think it's also very important about the education,
like letting people to to which are like some young musician,
they don't know what they want to play yet.
Yes, they just want to form a band and let's start it.
That's normal. That's how I started.
So my my concept is let them to get connected with some other
(08:45):
musician, maybe jazz musician and then see if they like them,
like to get involved in the industry.
Yeah, OK. And before we move into the
Shetrunk Music Festival, I want to go back a bit in your
history. So you are from Hong Kong, Born
and raised, Yeah. Yeah.
And where? What did you study?
Hong Kong. No.
(09:05):
What did you study? What?
What? What did I study?
Yeah, jeez. Fashion design in Poly U.
Fashion designer Poly U Yeah, that's really interesting
though. Like what?
What guy you into fashion designand does it affect at all how
you're doing things today? Not really.
I didn't finish it. I quit after the first year I
did OK. Yeah, I don't like it.
(09:26):
Yeah, I don't like the that was.It your choice the the fashion
design school. I was in Beijing by the time I
left Hong Kong. Just sort of like, I don't know,
travel, exploring the world. And then my mom told me, oh, I
applied for university for you. I thought, you love fashion
design, right? And they take you.
(09:48):
They take you. So come back.
OK. So I came back and I tried a
little bit. I tried the first year and then
I already, you know, seeing the world outside.
So so I'm not interested in this.
So you were just. Travelling in China at the time
just. Like hanging out, sort of.
My dad was there in the back of the time, so I was sort of like
helping him a little bit, sure, but mainly just fucking around.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just hanging out.
Yeah. And then, OK, so you came back,
did one year at Pau Liu and thendidn't like it at all.
I don't like the the system, like the school and and a lot of
things it's hard to explain. It's just like it makes me feel
like somehow it's quite a dark industry.
(10:32):
So there are fashion industry, Yeah.
Why is that? Doesn't matter because now like
I grow up, I realize every industry is so dark.
OK, so you actually see the reality of the words.
It's like it's not the, it's notthe fashion, it's the word.
It's not as fuck, yeah. That's that's, that's such a
oblique way to learn about the word.
(10:52):
Like, you're right for sure. Because I actually like, I can
probably like, I can think like looking back that I would think
the same thing, Like, oh, these things are evil and these things
are not done right. And then you grow up and you're
like, oh, even sports is like fucked up.
Yeah, yeah. And even like, you know, stuff
like a marathon or whatever, everything is just like, it's
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really like, there's some reallydark shit.
Yes, that is happening everywhere.
So you're right. It's just the word, it's not the
best. Did you study anything else?
No, not really. I was playing music on the side
by myself. Yeah.
And then turns out I was OK and then like.
When was the first time you picked up like drumsticks and
start playing? 20 actually quite late.
(11:34):
Wow. 1st And before that you didn't have any interest in
music. Nothing.
I, I, I had some Chinese instrument experience for two
years. Yeah, back in time, like, very,
very little when I was. And then, yeah, after one or two
years of learning, the the teacher already asked, oh, do
you want to teach at my teachingcenter?
So, oh, seems like I Got Talent on this kind of thing.
(11:56):
That's how I started. Yeah.
Yeah. And then back in the time I
think, wow, music art is such a pure industry.
You're so naive. Yes.
Let's jump into it. Yeah, yeah.
Amazing. And when did you start opening
your own venue? So you said like you played in
in other bands, like stuff around town and stuff.
And then when did you make that call?
(12:17):
You said earlier about like, OK,fuck this, I know what the
musicians need. I'm going to open my own thing
and give them the platform. When did you make that switch?
All right. I think I have that idea for 10
years now, but we opened maybe seven years ago.
So the first, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
And that was the location on Staunton.
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Yeah, yeah, we spent a lot of time there during covert
playing. I don't think that will get you
in trouble. I was gonna say we played hide
and seek with the cops a lot there.
There's a lot of like, you know,they're passing by stuff and
they're like, oh, shit. And then like, we'll go inside
or like, yeah. But it's like, it's interesting.
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Like that whole COVID time was really like, this was like Shay,
Toronto is one of my like refugee spots.
And I think there's a lot of friends like that.
The other one shout out was FLMFLM, the guys at FLM.
You know what? FLM is the gay bar on on Queens
Rd. Queen Cafe.
Yes, I think so. So they have like 2 floors.
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They have one. Yeah, yeah, I know.
I know. So that's another one that would
do a lock in. Yeah.
And one of the funniest nights we had was during you when you,
when you were doing the raids, like making sure the businesses
are closed, blah, blah, blah. So FLM, you can enter from Cafe
Queen, which is in Queens Road and you can enter from the back
door on Jervoir downstairs, right?
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So the cops and Joseph, I hope I'm not getting him.
I don't think it's getting him in trouble, But so they would,
you know, the door is closed andwe're hanging out there like
kind of quietly, People are drinking, it doesn't matter.
And then he has cameras outside the door and then the cop, like
he would see when the cops are passing by, he'll tell us to
quiet and everything, but there's a whole other club
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downstairs. So anyway, people got a bit
loose and then people went downstairs to the club and
started like partying, like the DJ was on people smoking,
drinking. So and then the cops decided to
come in, but they came in from upstairs because the door
downstairs is just like a like asteel door.
It's really hard to get through.So they went from upstairs.
So now Joseph has to get us all out from downstairs and then and
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then the cops he like bought some time, basically started
arguing with them, whatever. And then his partner got us all
out from the back door on Jervoir.
So the cops went like, oh, we'regoing to come in to check what's
happening. And he said, see, there is
nobody. But the funny part is there was
like half drunk glasses and cigarettes that are still on.
And he was like, oh, just me andmy friends hanging out here.
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There's nobody. But because we're out on the
street, there's 100 people on the street, but there is no
proof, proof that they were inside.
Wow, there's 100 people. Yeah, yeah, it was.
It was not a few. People that's that's another
level. Yeah, it was not a.
Few people. So they were so frustrated
because they couldn't do anything and they were just
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standing outside and all they did was, oh, group driving of
four people. They just kept like, putting us
like separate from each other, but then they couldn't do
anything. Wow, It's crazy.
Yeah, this is crazy. Yeah.
So obviously she thought we did not do anything illegal.
It was all according to the law.Yes, yes.
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We followed the law strictly forthree years, yes.
Yes. OK, so now and then.
So you're running Shetron and then you started, you can
correct me if I'm wrong, you started Shetron Music Festival
the first time you did it on a Star Ferry.
Was that the first version? Yes, yes, for the first.
Time and that was two years ago,right?
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OK, so first of all, just for general information to me and
the audience, how the hell do you hire the whole Star Ferry?
How does that even work? Money so.
Such an such a Hong Kong answer too.
So throw money at the problem, yes?
No, no, no, they literally waiting out for party, but it's
just extremely expensive. So the first year we did make a
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little money, yeah. And then after like the crew,
around 10 people, yeah, drinkinga little bit as a after party,
you know, celebration, the successful of the the festival.
And then we lost money. That's how much we made.
I think we made like 800 or something.
Right, right, right. And then you blew it on the same
night. Yeah, yeah.
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More than that, so we knew it because the boat is so
expensive. So, OK, so you ran it for one
night? Yes, 7 hours.
I think they they rented out by hours.
By hours. OK, so just walk us through the
setup of that. Like, so you've decided to
basically have a music festival on the Star Ferry and the Star
Ferry, where does it go? Just back and forward in the
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harbour. Oh, just is it the same route as
the regular star? Ferry.
No, no, no, no, not that. Would drive you crazy.
Just go back and forth for. 7 hours.
So it's geese to us, someone S Kiwan to maybe Kennedy time.
I don't know. Saiwan, OK.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's still pretty good
distance, like with the view andeverything.
Yes, yes. And how many people were on the
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Star Ferry? I think they can.
The maximum capacity is 28290, something like this.
Yeah, and what's the legality like?
How do you get all the licenses to play music and stuff on the
Star? It's a private party.
OK, nice, nice, nice. It's a private party for CT
people. Someone.
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Someone's birthday. Yes, exactly.
Exactly. Yeah.
OK. So for that obviously don't need
any sort of like proper like ticketing license or whatever.
Wow, that's so cool. OK, so and what was your take
away from this aside from the venue being venue, the boat
being very expensive. Would you, do you think like you
wouldn't do it again because of it's expensive or do you want to
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scale up and have more people? First thing is, I, I got bored
quite easily. So.
So I wanted to think differentlyevery year.
Yeah, we might go back to the boat because it's really, really
good experience. Yeah, but it's also a chaos,
especially the toilet. Yes, yes. 300 people with two
toilets. Oh yeah, I know.
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For seven hours. I don't think I've even been to
a toilet on the Star Ferry. Where is it?
Yes, it's on the like the the first four I would say.
Right the bottom. Deck the bottom deck, yeah.
Yeah, OK. Yeah, yeah, that's good.
Because obviously the regular Star Ferry trip between Central
and TST is a 7 minute trip. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So no one uses the toilet. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah. OK.
And then but also the D, did youmanage to clear out all the
chair on the seats in the middleor no?
No, no, no, with the seats, it'sstill there.
It's still there. Wow.
So like, you know, thinking in agood way, everybody got the
seated. Yes, yes, that is, that is good.
Obviously don't want people to get drunk and get stupid but I'm
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I'm just trying to. And then because there's 2
levels are people playing different music up and down?
Yes, we got. We didn't use the bottom deck at
the end because it's too smelly that the gasoline.
Yeah, Yeah, it's pretty strong, yeah.
Yeah. So we we do two side silent
disco at the end. Yeah.
And then the band on in the front, Yeah.
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Oh, silent disco. That's fine.
That's something you also have for this coming festival.
Yes, exactly. Yeah, it helps not just because
you can hear the music better, but also it's easier to manage
when when the stage is not too far away from from each other.
So it. Helps.
I've seen people randomly maybe like, I don't know how long ago,
maybe a year ago, I was passing by on Hollywood Road and there
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was just like a bunch of people standing in front of that new
pizza shop or whatever. And it's like 15 kids just like
wearing the headphones with the with the lights on them.
And this is like dancing to likesilent disco on the street.
Yeah, it's pretty wild. I've not seen that before.
So. OK, so the first year decided.
Why did you decide to do ShetronMusic Festival anyway?
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I don't know. It's just like I always have
this kind of idea. Either you go bigger or you
stop. Yes.
Yeah, yeah. I don't want to say you died.
No, no, no, you're right. Because actually, no, you're
right. The actually the episode that we
did just a few weeks ago about the comedy season that we're
doing, I titled it the same thing.
Go big or go home, basically. Yeah, it's it's basically that
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because you are, I would say you're quite comfortable in like
just having Shaytron as a base, right.
Yeah. Like there is no problem.
Like everything is fine. Yeah.
But then there's there's not that much excitement.
Right. Yeah, exactly.
There is no. Real challenge, yes.
You're like, I can keep doing this forever.
Yes, and it's great. But then where is the challenge
of that exactly? Where is the risk, Right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's your your thinking is
like, I need to take a risk. I need to make things bigger.
Yeah. Right.
So after the boat you did last year, where did you do it?
It's a club called Trilogy that you have like like 2 levels,
three different area. They have a Speakeasy jazz bar,
and then they have this main dancing club.
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And then at the rooftop they have like a launch, like a DJ
style kind of stage. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that was over also one day or.
Just one day, just Saturday, I believe.
So he took over the whole thing.Yes, free stage.
That's the first time we do freestage thing, which is really,
really amazing that there's likea lot of things happening.
Yeah, people can, you know, rotate if they find that's not
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their music. Yeah, just find something new.
Yeah. And then did you make any money
from that? Yes.
Yes, so you started learning howto make money from.
That yes, yes, this time we we can afford a a dinner.
Yeah, nice. You can afford after show
dinner. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A decent dinner this time we're gonna afford, so that's good.
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Nice. OK.
And how many artists did you work with last year?
20 puts, I think it's like 20 something I I can't really
remember. And it's mostly jazz musicians.
Not really. So the layout of the venue, they
actually the speak Easy Bar is ajazz bar.
Yeah, so big. Piano.
I've been there, yeah. So we have a jazz stage, like
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all the jazz music is in that room.
And then we have like a bigger stage for for a bigger band.
Like, not necessary, but it's sort of like related to jazz or
soul funk, that kind of thing. Yes, yes.
So this year, which is kind of the main, the main point of this
episode, aside from introducing you to our audience as just a
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generally cool human being and having a great venue, is that
this year you're going really big, at least in comparison to
the last couple of years, right?Yes, yes, yes.
We're going to do it in in Changzhou.
That might be complicated for for some guests, but I really
love the venue. When I first walk into it, it's
called Saiyun. It's like 500,000 square feet
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campsite really, really huge. Yeah.
And they got like everything setto it.
Like, I mean, they they got loads of toilets and then they
got gramping that you can stay in like the facility, like
everything. Yeah, They got things for kids,
like a rope, like all this playground thing.
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. So it's really like perfect for
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doing music festival. Right.
So we were talking before recording and you actually give
an example with Fuji Rock. Right.
Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, which I actually think
that. I haven't been to Fuji Rock, but
I'm familiar with it and I thinkyou really nailed it there when
you're like, oh, we don't have something like this here.
So that's kind of the model you're looking at, right?
Yes, exactly, exactly because like every time like Hong Kong
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people talk that a lot like the Fuji Rock and then they will
show you photos and experience. Like me myself, I haven't been
there but like almost all my friends been there, yes.
Now it just make me very difficult.
Now I have family and kids, so Iwas like, oh, probably I can't
get there in the next few years.So you can just make it make
your own Fuji Rock. Right, that's the idea.
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Let's have a, Yeah, let's have asmall one.
I mean like for sure the scale is not the same.
But it's fascinating you're saying this because you're doing
exactly what I'm doing with our industries.
It's exactly the same. I'm doing like with, with
comedy, I'm doing exactly that. It's like no one is doing this
here at this level. Like the, you know, the comedy
season thing, like everything inone month, like trying to run as
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many shows as possible, whatever, all of these things.
And you're like, no one is doingthis particular thing in my
industry. I would be the one doing it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I someone that like to be the
one to make things happen. Yes, yeah, Because if we wait
for people to like, oh, I hope one day Live Nation or whatever,
I hope one day they will do it. And then you're just waiting for
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some big company to maybe make it happen for you.
And it's never going to be as good as when you make it
yourself because it's done according to your own vision,
right? Yes.
You're a musician. I'm a comedian.
You know what? The musician.
Needs. Exactly.
And I know what a comedian needs, yes.
Exactly. Yeah, that's awesome.
So with this one, you're going for first of all three days,
right? Three days, yes.
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Yes, so people can camp. People can, yeah, have a whole.
Clamping, like the fancy clamping.
You can rent it like it's a building camp that with AC and
washroom that you can do that aswell.
But you can also just camping. Camp on the beach for free.
Oh yeah? Wait, it's a whole private
thing? Yeah.
It's a whole private thing. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, but that's awesome. So and you haven't at the time
of recording, you haven't announced the lineup yet, right?
We haven't, we haven't. We're still on the blind bird,
but we will allow so in the nextfew days.
Yeah. OK.
So Blind Bird, which is the tickets, you can see them in the
description of the episode BlindBird are Eventbrite and what are
you to do stuff at this scale? And we talked a little bit
(25:59):
before recording. To do stuff at this scale, you
have to work with other people alot of.
Other people. A lot of other.
People right, because I'm comparing it to your Star ferry,
which I imagine very straightforward.
You took the venue that boat private hire the end.
You're just telling friends, hey, you perform there, you play
there, ha ha, we're all having fun, yes, but this time you're
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doing. This is serious business.
Shut up. Shut up.
Yes, we, we also try to bring inoversea artists.
Right now I, I'm not sure how many I can bring in, but I
wanted because I promised. So there will be at least one
difficulties. We we're trying to get sponsor
from from like some airlines seeif they can sponsor the tickets.
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That helps a lot. Yeah, yeah.
If it's not going to happen, I will.
Yeah. I promise I will at least get
one. Yeah, OK.
Well, the visa is also another alittle bit of a difficult thing
here because the fees of the visa just went up a lot.
They went from because I bring artists every month, so they
went from 230 to 1200. Damn, I didn't know that.
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Maybe that will help you consider or reconsider your
promise about the bringing in. 1LS1LS1.
One is it should be OK if you have an airline sponsor.
That should help a lot. But how?
How do you see the shift in trying like to to?
I find it a little hard. When I started doing bigger
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stuff because I'm also working with other people, I found it a
little hard. As someone who I guess I can,
you can, I don't know if it's fair to call myself a control
freak, but I would like to have the the like I know what the
vision is. I know the final vision is, but
obviously in business that's that's, that's not how it works.
At some point you have to start giving stuff to other people.
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Otherwise you'll go mental and you'll not go right.
You can explain like you can understand that fully.
I'm. Sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. First, first thing of all, I'm
definitely a control freak. Yeah, OK, Most of my friends
agreed, right? Yeah.
But yeah, there's this process to learn how.
To hand over. Stuff to people, yeah, yeah,
yeah. How to let go.
That's it, actually. That's a really good word, yeah.
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Because like, I'm looking at theprogram for the for the comedy,
for the sorry for the music season, for the music festival.
And right now we're talking about about four stages for
three days and then, you know, everyone can see it on the
website on Eventbrite. But then there is a lot of I
feel like there's so much happening, silent disco kids and
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families, overseas bands, which we're not sure about.
Yeah, take out the S yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Overseas band, maybe just overseas and that's it.
And then you have inside what's Insider Tours.
Sorry. There's something called Insider
Tool. OK, we will organize something
that people will show you aroundChangchao.
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So basically outside of the campsite, actually.
Nice. Yeah, we find some nature expert
to do some tour with the families and stuff.
Yeah, and then you have morning Yoga craft workshop, so it feels
like it's a full experience. Yeah.
But it's also like knowing that you are in charge basically by
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yourself. I know you're handing over stuff
to other people, but I'm just trying to understand how you set
your own expectations when it comes to like, not being
overwhelmed by all of this. I don't know, but I, I, besides
of like the music industry, I'm also working with a lot of arts
people in Hong Kong and art Changzhou is actually a place
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that have a lot of artists inside like because they don't
like the city life, right? They all move to Changzhou.
I know them pretty well. So it's based on trust actually
all this workshop or like a tourthing like run by my friends and
I knew them for that case. Right.
So it's a lot of like pooling together all your friends who
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know how to do something and in the art world that you just want
them to all to get together for one week and every year and and
do this. Changshao is an interesting
place, I think because you're right.
Like it's like every time I go there, it feels like the people
who are just like, have not haveopted out of the system,
basically. Yeah, right.
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Did you, where did you grow up in Hong Kong?
It wasn't there, no. Well, it's a long journey.
I I, I was wasting in the shot teen.
Which doesn't sound too far away, right?
Yeah, that's what nowaday it used to be like Changshi or to
the moon, like really, really far away from from the city and
(30:47):
and like doing time to time I try to move closer, closer to
the center. Yeah, to the center, which is.
I live in Central now. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So it can be our previous, just that last episode we had a
comedian, My Trick around on thepodcast and she started in
Stanley years ago and then went to Cyclone and then Happy
Valley, and now she lives in Central.
Yeah, it's like basically very similar.
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Exploring the Hong Kong I used to live in Saigon for two years
as. Well, yeah, very similar stuff.
So going back to actually, I find this also quite cool, the
comparison. I don't know anything about the
music world and you don't know anything about the comedy world.
Not much, right? How is it like, Like in the
comedy world, there's a lot of like they're artists, right?
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Everybody like is kind of different to manage and stuff.
How do you deal with the dealingwith the artist like ego?
Because I find that really interesting because I have to
manage them as well. The music, the comedians.
Yeah. So I imagine that like as
someone who has the venue, sometimes you have to be the
boss in a way. How do you deal with that?
First of all, I form away my. Yeah, you have to throw away
(31:53):
yours. Yeah, yeah.
And then it's not that difficultactually.
It's based on understanding eachother.
I think if the more you talk to them, it's and you will find it
actually, it's not that difficult.
It's just some misunderstanding at the end.
And then thanks for the taunt that I hang out with them a lot.
So basically, I really know whatthey're thinking.
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Yeah. So that's how I started now.
Now I don't see it as a problem or difficulty anymore basically.
Yeah, you're just seeing it as like, just basically trying to
understand another human being. Yeah, and the more you
understand them, the easier it will be for you to work with.
Them. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Right, Yeah, yeah, But here at
the at the Chitron Festival, you're not really.
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Are you working? Is everybody you're working with
you? We have 30 plus artists or
bands. Yeah.
Is everybody you on the on the line up?
I know it's still a secret, but is everybody people you already
work with or are familiar? So 90% of the band is like I,
I've been worked with, I know them in person and some of them
is like a big band that high up there that I never get a chance
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to work with before. Yeah, because of this festival.
I think they like the concept. And then like we have might have
some middle man that they know both each other.
Yes. So there will be some other
bands that I've never worked with.
And I also want to give a shout to James from Sea Hall.
Yeah, amazing music brand. They he also helped me to bring
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in artists and also oversee artists.
Basically, he's a very similar man.
There's like a make it happen and they're more like it has the
most important thing for him is like, is it interesting enough?
Yeah, I really think the mentality of make it happen
here, it's obviously you can seeit in a lot of places, even
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people who just have regular jobs, like in an office or
whatever, because Hong Kong is such a high pressure city that
everybody needs to make it happen.
But in our word, if you're just working for yourself or if you
really make it happen, you need to make it happen so you can pay
your rent, basically. You have what, two kids?
Yeah. Yeah.
So like, you know, you need to feed the kids, right?
It's like, obviously your wife works as well and everything,
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but like they make it happen mentality.
I think in the art world it's sodifficult because it's the
easiest thing is just give up and be like, OK, I'm just going
to go work for whatever, right. When you have that much
pressure. So the fact that you're still
doing it is so cool. And then you can you're finding
other friends who are doing it as well, like James or myself.
Yeah, Right. So going back to this, I would
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like to also try to. I have been to a music festival
like this years and years ago inEurope.
It's a very big. It's called Roskilde.
It's in Denmark. And you, the headliners were
like Stevie Wonder. And, you know, I would cast it
was It was insane. Yeah.
Yeah. So obviously not.
I'm saying like this in the scale of, like, 3 days.
(34:49):
Yeah. And, you know, different camping
and all the stuff. And it became one of the biggest
music festivals in Europe. But like, there is so much
happening. And I can imagine if I am in
charge, I would probably go insane.
So how do you manage your own sanity that you are you have
your expecting house, OK? So you just go.
(35:10):
With the insanity, yeah. OK, I I lost my shit a lot of
times. You already did.
But oh, something I want to bring up is like you, you
mentioned like Stevie Wonder, really big scale.
Yeah. That's I, I heard something on
the first music festival from from one of the artists.
Yeah, Nate, who was one of the biggest artists here in Hong
Kong, in my opinion. I mean the jazz scene, yeah, he
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said. I, I, I told him, sorry, there's
a little bit of chaos here and there.
And then he was like, no, that'swhat make it fun, right?
That's what makes it this festival special than the
others. So I sometimes I think like a
local small festival is very interesting because when you go
you really feel you're connectedwith all the other people that
getting involved. Right.
(35:54):
Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
And you, like, there's people also that sometimes only work
under a specific kind of pressure as well, Like, as in
like the artist. Sometimes they're like, oh,
we're just like hanging out and stuff.
But like, no, bro, you have to perform.
These people bought tickets, right?
Yeah. So you kind of have to take it a
bit more seriously. Yes, right.
Yes, yes. And for this as well, one of the
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cool things I want to like try to understand is you're, you're
encouraging people to bring their kids and families.
Right. Yes.
Yes. So how would how do you manage
that? Stay away from the center.
OK, so the kids and the family should be a little bit on the
same. Side I'm kidding.
(36:35):
I'm kidding. Yeah, yes, we have a lot of
events like program is good for kids.
I don't want to go too crazy at some point.
I mean, like we we're not havinga death metal festival, right?
So there's not like mush bit or whatever.
Like, yeah, yeah. So the music style itself and
everything is more, I would say family friendly.
(36:57):
Yeah, that kind of thing. Yeah.
And also the workshop, like it'smainly for kids.
I I think this might be because I have kids now.
So I I want to organize an eventthat is like a good for families
like my my kids can goes as well.
Yes. I mean, look, obviously we have
in Hong Kong, the big ones are what, Clock and Flap, that's an
establishment. Cream Fields, that's another
(37:19):
establishment. Is there anything else outside
of this really big kind of like music festivals?
Yeah, but the one that actually that happened in the same venue
is called Seafood Meats, I think, right.
They've been I haven't heard thevenue.
It's quite big actually. They do it at the same venue.
But this year they they they stopped for some reason.
But it's a electronic music festival, right?
(37:41):
It's more like for grow UPS. It goes really wild crazy like a
wave, right, right. So but when I when I saw the
venue whenever first time visit and I see the like the
possibility that we can do like a family for any kind of event,
it's actually more for a family for any because that's what they
bill for, right. It's a campsite.
Yes, yes, yeah. So what are?
(38:02):
They using it like so the outside of the private hire like
yours they are using it for justlike people to rent out the
space to camp right? Yes.
Yeah. OK, I see.
I think for this one, so you're basically creating something
that hasn't been done for the like for the jazz scene before
in Hong Kong. But it's not just jazz, it's the
(38:23):
whole experience of also run quite low key, I would say like
like underground vibes, right? But now you want it to be a bit
more structured. So here's my question.
What? How big do you think you want to
take this? You mean from here?
Yeah. From here, from after this year.
(38:45):
So you're looking at 4 stages for three days.
I think I'm I'm happy to keep this scale for a few years
first. OK, OK.
Because I think to be to be honest, I think that that would
be things out of my hands this year, that that might be some
chaos, to be honest. Of course.
So, so I, I want to learn from this.
Make it a perfect event. Yeah.
Festival first, yeah, before I move on.
(39:06):
Yeah, I mean, I, I will speak onbehalf of a lot of our
listeners. I really think this is something
that they would enjoy, especially as you said, like
listeners with kids, like peoplewho have like looking for
something a bit different to do on the weekend.
Also November, usually the weather is pretty nice.
Yeah, not not rainy season. So I would be there.
(39:27):
We already talked about this before.
Like I would be there helping out for a couple of nights as
well. Yeah.
Yeah. So I'll be there so you guys can
catch me there. But overall, I really think it's
such a cool, unique thing for for people to do in Hong Kong.
Yeah. And it's also one amazing way to
directly support art. Like, you know, you hear a lot
of like support art to support art scene.
(39:49):
This doesn't get as more supportart as this right?
It's like the flows you can. Do yeah.
There is no there is no middle man, there's no middle people.
They're working with you directly and they're working
like tickets is going directly with with with Chetron basically
accounts. So and then it's obviously you
(40:09):
have the venue, you have the artist, everyone's getting paid
and all of this stuff, food and all of these things.
So it's a cool underground vibe that I.
Fully get behind, not just because you're my friend, but I
really think if I didn't know you and someone told me, hey,
look at this event, I would go just to like check out, check it
out. I'm like, Oh, this is cool
because you know. Yeah, I feel the same.
(40:31):
I would go myself, yeah. Exactly.
But I mean, you know, I work with clock and flap and a lot of
stuff, and I have so much respect for them.
The scale that they have right now is insane.
Right? Yeah.
So it's crazy. It's crazy and sometimes even if
I am a customer, I might not go every year because I'm like,
it's so overwhelming. Like that's great.
(40:51):
Like you can go for one day if you see like an artist you like
or whatever. But this is something like yours
is something I'm like, oh, this is going to be like super chill
in a way. Like, oh, I can just go with my
friend without like, you know, the insanity of like so much
production and stuff like this. Not that I wouldn't like that
either, but you know what I mean?
So I, I really think it's going to be cool.
(41:12):
So I I encourage everybody and our listeners, please come check
it out. Like when last year the first
time content fab like ticket fablike a contact us they said, oh
your event looks really cool Cancan we sell your tickets yeah
then I was like, oh we did something right I.
Yeah, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, No, those, those guys are
great. We work with them on regular
basis. Shout out to the whole team
Korakini killing all of the everybody at and Justin, of
(41:36):
course, everybody at clock and flap and I'll be there also this
year. So you'll see me there as well.
But Joe, thank you so much for joining us, man.
This was. Super pleasure.
My pleasure. I'm really looking forward to
this. I haven't been to be honest.
Like I didn't go to clock and flap since COVID and I'm trying
to even think of when was the last time I was at anything like
this and it must have been pre COVID.
(41:58):
So I'm just excited to even justbe in in in a cool environment
like, you know, camping and all of this.
Stuff. Yeah, I'm excited myself.
Yeah, I was going to say like just one advice.
I'm younger than you. Just if you take it from like a
young brother is like you alwaysneed to make sure that you are
having fun otherwise this whole thing is pointless.
That's right. That's right.
Don't let the stress get to you and don't be like, Oh my God,
(42:21):
like, you know, always putting out fires.
If you're doing that, you're just never it's not going to be
worth. It Yeah, that's true.
That's true. I take that advice.
You're right. So everyone check out all the
all the information is in the show description below.
And hopefully we'll see you guysat the Shade Trunk Music
Festival. It's on the 21st, Friday 21st,
Saturday 22nd and Sunday 23rd ofNovember on Chung Chao.
(42:45):
And yeah, you will see me helping around there.
I'll be wearing probably a sillyname tag and telling you to, you
know, put out your fires or whatever.
So let's see, Joe will give me ajob, but I'll tell you about it
later. Thank you everyone for tuning
in. We have, as I said, like we're,
we're starting really strong. Actually, at this point, the
show count in September is about10, including the two theatre
(43:07):
shows. So we're going to be very busy.
But obviously the podcast will keep going as it is.
Don't forget to slide slide intothe Vex DMS and wish him a happy
recovery. And I will catch you guys on the
Patreon. And then those of you are not on
the Patreon, sign up patreon.com/robopod.
For $5 a month, you can get to support us doing all this cool
(43:28):
stuff. If not, we'll see you guys on
here next week. Thank you.
Thanks, Joe. Thanks for joining us.
And we'll see you at Chitrant. Bye bye.
Bye.
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