Authenticity in the Fast Lane of Sports Media with Hannah Mears

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
greg brown, hand and mirrors mike wicken.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Okay, get ready welcome back to another.
That was hilarious.
Welcome back to another editionof hold my cutter.
Are we recording?

Speaker 1 (00:22):
we are the reason why he brings that up is because
our producer had to go torecital.
He's not in it.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
His little daughter is.
Leonard.
Lee is here behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
He's here in spirit.
He taught me how to push therecord button.
I think I can handle it and ifnot I'll blame it on Hannah.
She's a producer director andeverything else.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
I hope you're watching this on.
This is Hold my Cutter, ofcourse, as you know.
That's why you're eitherwatching on YouTube or tuned in
anywhere else, but we'reenjoying the LB1, thanks to
Hannah Mears, which you said isthe Latrobe Bazooka one Latrobe
Bazooka aka.
Or the Latrobe.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
O'Neal Cruz because he has a bazooka Latrobe.
Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Late Trove, it's the late Trove the LB1, named for
the codes used at the factoryduring the creation of the cigar
, and right on Rocky Patel'sfarm in Nicaragua.
And Hannah Mears the greatHannah Mears is with us as our
guest.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
I don't deserve that yet.
No, she's not I.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
By the way go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
She helped facilitate building the bazooka on the
farm, since she has such a vastunderstanding of farms she grew
up on one, so she went down toNicaragua, got this, built it.
It looks like a bazooka.
It is a bazooka, yeah all thecredit to me.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
You're welcome.
It makes all the sense.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
And this is kind of new territory for Hannah.
She's enjoying her first stogie.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I am.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Look at me, go.
I'm proud of myself as well youshould be, but Hannah was named
right after the season theNational League's Rookie of the
Year.
Sideline reporter Rookie of theYear.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Congrats Greg Brown's media awards.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Congrats.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Hannah, I was the Rookie of the Year.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Thank you, that's real.
It's under the radar.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
They don't release it on social media because they
want it to be near and dear.
Right near and dear, I'm veryhonored.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
We talked on the previous episode about Hannah
kind of how she got her startand the hard work she put into
it.
We have not touched on all ofthe Well.
In fact, we wanted to ask youabout how you kind of got thrust
into hosting hockey, right intohosting hockey right.
That was sudden.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Sporadic and sudden, and background in hockey, a fan
perspective, I would say.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Like a casual, like your mom fan, a casual fan.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
No, definitely more of a fan, because I worked for
the Penguins so I did video andediting for the Penguins for a
few years.
That was my first internshipwhile I was in college as well
was with the Penguins, so I didvideo and editing what just
happened no, go ahead, I justspilled it.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
I just told the audience, sorry about that you
got to be careful with thebazooka yeah careful greg.
Not everybody's built to handlea bazooka.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
That's right um it's okay.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
So yeah, I did good point.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
It's good, really really good point, as you were
saying hold my cutter.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Oh hello, drop the mic.
Oh hello, drop the mic.
Yep, there it is yeah, so Iworked at the Penguins, things
like that, so I was involved inhockey in a way and I loved.
I was always a sports fan, so Iloved watching the sport.
I understood it in a way.
But no, to go and like deepdive and analyze and having to
know certain things when youhost, you know you really have

(03:26):
to know how to.
Not necessarily I wasn't theanalyst, I didn't necessarily
have to break down the X's andO's, but you did have.
You do have to be intelligentenough to know what's going on,
to facilitate a conversation oradd something in here and there.
So yeah, that was sporadic, buttrial by fire, I feel like, is
where I thrive, because you canprepare so much for something
but you really don't know how todo it and how you're going to
be until you do it.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
You're doing it no matter what I was doing it no
matter what.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
So I was like yep, go ahead, throw me in, like this
is another example, though Ifyou don't say no, you got to say
yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Have you done this before?
Can you do this?
Yeah.
I can do this yeah, I can do it, and I you know, that's true.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Everybody always tells me like coming into this
industry like people that arereally successful.
They're like we're not doingbrain surgery.
Ah, so true, we're not doingheart surgery Like, yeah, thank
goodness, goodness, but yeah,it's like it's not life or death
, like it's okay to mess up,it's okay to take the the bumps
in the road and that's been thebest thing.
But that's also when you can becomfortable being yourself.

(04:24):
I was like I'm confident thatat least I know who I am and
that's all I can be.
Again, the authenticity thingand be prepared.
You can do your research, beover prepared, things like that
and I felt like I was.
And also credit to like HaleyHunter, Dan Potash, everyone
behind the scenes who was likesending me things to help me.
Haley sent me pages of notesthat she had taken before the
season to help me and I had donethe same thing with her for the

(04:45):
pirates and just to help eachother be prepared.
Right, it's never.
That's what I love aboutsportsnet and our family that
has been created there.
Nobody's ever intimidated bysomebody else or feeling like
somebody's going to take my job.
I feel like everybody that Iwork with has is trying to
elevate the other person or nojealousy, share a story.
there's no jealousy, even inspring training when I was

(05:05):
sharing stories with you beinglike hey, this is really cool, I
learned this, it's that reallycool stuff.
It's never envious of somebodytelling that story.
It's just helping each other,because you're all in pursuit of
the same goal, and that'smaking the best broadcast
possible and telling the beststories as possible.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
I thought that way about Steven this year.
It was like dude, I got mypitcher back.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
We're sitting there like little kids watching the
game.
How about Steven Brault?

Speaker 1 (05:30):
I didn't want to bring him up in the first
episode because he's not a lady.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
But how good is he?
He's incredible.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
He's such a natural he's one of those guys that's
good at everything.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
I don't know if you've ever seen him draw.
He's one of those annoyingpeople that are just good at
everything he can sing he candraw, he can act, he can dance,
he can talk sports, he can pitch, he can hit, he can everything.
He's doing play-by-play rightnow in the Fall League.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
He's just good at everything.
But he's another guy thatdoesn't say no, he's doing the
Fall League games right now.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
He was supposed to do one.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
He's done like 15.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
I didn't even know that I need to go listen to him,
because I thought he wasfantastic.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
He's just a dude that just says, yeah, let's do it,
I'll do it.
We hit it off.
But just like everybody else,his personality is mesh and each
one.
We didn't get to this in thefirst episode Brownie, I'm going
to do it again.
The process so on field, iscompletely different.
Haley Hunter did something Ihaven't seen most do, but it
would probably be my knack ofhow I'd want to do it.

(06:22):
She doesn't do a rundown.
I didn't know a rundown existeduntil year five.
Nobody told me that it was athing, so I just kind of was
like oh, what are we doing today?
Memorize it, move forward.
But they actually do a piece ofpaper that tells you what
you're going to talk about.
She doesn't do a rundown, shedoes notes and then she takes
the lead from the producer.
Well, if, if this goes outenough times, you don't believe

(06:46):
in that, how did you go about it?
Because you didn't do notes onthe field, you're super prepared
to, and I've seen you go oldschool but you memorize so much
and it's like these light bulbscome off on.
How is it just all the workbefore?

Speaker 2 (06:57):
so it's a lot of preparation, right as prepared,
so I do it the same way hayleydoes in terms of you have the
rundown available to you but Idon't like to strip things out.
Yeah, absolutely Everything thatI did up to that point was sort
of I was, I was a live person,like everything I did was live.
So I kind of had to do that.
So you just get used tomemorizing things, but you
memorize it in a way to whereit's like it's not word for word

(07:18):
necessarily, it's it's veryflowy that way Because you want
it to sound conversational.
If you memorize something,people are going to know you
memorized it.
But at the same time there arecases and points for that, like
for the Big Ten.
You know, when I'm doing amorning report and there's
nothing new, like I probablyhave had time to prep and
rehearse that a little bit andgive my storyline.
So it can be differentdepending on the situation.
But in your case, when you'retalking about hosting a show,

(07:41):
you're listening for yourproducer's cue in your ear
because you don't want to be solike it has to be this, then
this, then this, because it'slive TV.
Things are happening, thingsare changing and you have to be
prepared for that.
And when I'm on field, yeah,there are some things that I
write and read word for word.
But there are some things Iwrite out and then I'm like,
okay, just so I have, myproducer has an idea, or Greg
has an idea of what I want totalk about, but it might not

(08:02):
come out that way, right, likeI'm going to be conversational
or it's going to say how I sayit and things like that.
And that's the best way to doit, because then you're not in
your head thinking, oh no, if Imess up this word, my whole
script's off.
But everything is very beoverprepared, know what you're
talking about and then you canjust naturally have a
conversation about it, and Ithink that's the best way to go
about it.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
100 what about the open for you guys like kinger?
Does this like philosophydriven?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
maybe the day, yeah, yeah, but he's an english major
right.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
How do you guys go about that?
What's that process?
Because watch it like danpotash gets there.
He's there at eight o'clock fora seven o'clock show.
That man writes, rewrites, doesdifferent things, gets new
information.
It's different than King orKing or Show at 4 o'clock and be
like I'm good, let's go.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
It's also different if you're hosting a pre and
post-game show Right, but you doan open.
We do.
But so my philosophy has alwaysbeen for a telecast or a
broadcast, I want I know what Ilike to listening still do to
broadcasters, the team.
I like feeling like I'm therewith them, like I'm on it with

(09:12):
their level.
It's fun and they all get alongand they enjoy it.
Because I've heard it the otherway too structured, robotic,
exactly.
And so I think that the tone isset for the in-game
play-by-play with the open.
I want everybody camera people,technicians, people in the
truck I want us joking, I wantus having fun.

(09:32):
If I mess up at the end of oneopen, if I messed up something,
stumbled over something, they'llsay you want to do it again.
I'll think sometimes I do, butno, it's okay that it comes out
of mistake because it looks likeit's human.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
I hate doing it twice , Because, people do it.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
I mean, I know the business People do opens until
it is perfect.
Well, you know what that does.
That takes an extra 15 minutesof work, that drains me, the
color analyst and everybody else, and so for me the 90-second
open is not meaningless, butit's close, because what matters
is when that first pitch isthrown.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
The in-game stuff is what matters you almost let your
ego go in the way if youcontinue to do it over and, over
and over.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
And because you want to have a perfect open.
So someone watches you and itlooks so perfect.
Wow, that's great.
Well, what good is that?
When the first pitch is thrown?
Nothing, wow, that's great.
Well, what good is that whenthe first pitch is thrown.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
The first, nothing.
Okay, I'll throw out.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
And time, by the way, is taken away.
Whatever, it is an extra 5, 10,15, 20 minutes.
So I get frustrated when youhave to do it.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
I might not get to eat because you're taking a long
time and my second hit is afteryou.
I did not know.
Is that true From now on?
Actually, sometimes.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
yeah, watch out folks we could get a fight, hold your
cutter.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
No, that's why I don't think I heard that.
I heard.
That's why I don't do anotherright, because I heard hannah.
Hannah needs to eat and shegets so angry.
If she doesn't mean she gets soangry, oh, she gets angry,
hannah.
Yeah, if you only knew howangry so as I've gotten in this
injury.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
I I love rob king.
I'm interested to see what hesays.
I mean brawl usually look ateach other like what, but like
you, always every single openyou say something.
I'm like that was a good twist.
Or like you correct yourself.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Clever right.
It's something that you alwayshave, clever you always give
something that I'm like.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
There's no way anybody knows that you have some
bullet point that showed thatyou went just a little bit
further than everyone else andyou could build off of.
I mean, the day you did thething on the grass I was like my
I worked in lawn care and I'mlike I'm like stop, stop.
They didn't let me do this.
But I had a list of weirdgrasses.

(11:39):
They canna, how's the blue cakespecial?
Did they look into that?

Speaker 2 (11:44):
they were like let me don't have time, let me tell
you about the Tahoma 31.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
You haven't met me, and I think that's cool, but
like as a fan, I look, I mean,obviously I'm part of the show,
but I look forward to hearingthat.
So you say the Open doesn'tmatter.
It does I?

Speaker 3 (11:58):
don't mean, it doesn't matter.
I don't want to give you theimpression that I don't care
about it.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
I do care about it, I want it to be good.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
I just don't want to spend too much time making it,
so if a mistake is made and thatincludes the color analyst, a
little stumble, that's okay.
We get away with that, but Idon't want it to be a drastic
error.
You have to redo and I'm notsaying I'm any good at it.
But what has helped me and itgoes back to hannah in the first
episode is I also was an editorproducer.

(12:24):
I put highlight videos andfilms together and learned how
to write on the fly, andsometimes we don't do it much
anymore.
Sometimes we used to have tomatch the open and write a
script quickly, so that's helped.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
So the same thing like that you may think it's
meaningless years prior but,it's so helpful even now you
don't even realize that's askill that you learned, that you
may think it's meaninglessyears prior, but it's so helpful
even now.
You don't even realize that's askill that you learned that
you're now applying right theresometimes until you look back on
it.
You're like oh this is theeditor in me, or this is the
this in me, but I just think I,I truly think it's all about,
like authenticity, beingyourself and not being afraid to
be human, right, because thatis so important.

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I mean, there are times I'mstumbling my first.
One of my first times, in thenightly sports call, there was a
word, I can't remember exactlywhat it was.
I wish I could remember andit'll come to me eventually, but
I couldn't get it out.
No matter what, how many timesI tried to say it, it was not
coming out.
And I said words, hannah, oh mygosh.
And then, like it's a different, one.
But what am I supposed to do?

(13:20):
It's like, it's like it's livetv.
It's happening and I'm notrehearsed and it's not on a
teleprompter.
It's a word, and I think that'swhat makes shows fun to watch
right and, by the way, live tvfor all of us.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
And that has frustrated not not as much
anymore, but early in my careerI would get frustrated because
of the criticism I would receive.
This is up in buffalo abouton-air stuff and I thought the
person that's doing this is at atypewriter, a computer, and is
able to read his or her sentence.
Hmm, no, delete, delete, delete, retype the right.

(13:51):
They've got time to sit there.
We're live and they're fixatedon one thing, like there's
people in our ear sayingsomething, or they're reacting,
or when you guys throw it downto me.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Sometimes I don't even know you're throwing it
down to me and I'm over herelike wait, they're talking to me
.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
What are they?

Speaker 2 (14:04):
talking about hey, what up, guys, I don't have time
to look perfect, be perfect,because I'm shoving a hot dog in
my face trying to tell theworld how amazing the renegade
dog is, which is also great, butyou're eating, that.
You're doing things.
You have to be able to be andbe willing to be yourself, and

(14:25):
those critics are everywhere.
Media like Taylor Rooks saidsomething one time that was so
good she does a lot of bleacherreports up, she does Thursday
night football and prime.
She's a really good sportsbroadcaster and she said social
media is great because it'sgiven everyone an opinion, but
it's so bad because it's giveneveryone an opinion and so you
have to.
And it's something that stickswith me all the time and I think
about it over and over again.
It's like you're right, likeit's.
It is good because it's giveneveryone an opinion, but it's

(14:48):
such a weapon.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
So how have you, over the years, handled what your,
what is your personality?
Been going back to your earlydays of getting on way back the
early days of getting on the air, but but when were you
sensitive to criticism and areyou still early?

Speaker 2 (15:08):
she grew up in the age of criticism, yeah, so I
think I'm not as sensitive to itanymore because I know how to
filter it right, like who Ishould be taking the criticism
from and who I shouldn't betaking the criticism from, and I
think that's the most importantthing you learn.
But that just comes withmaturity.
But at first, yeah, you're soworried about what everyone's
going to think about you andthis is just as a young female
growing up with social media ingeneral right like you want to

(15:29):
post the perfect picture, youwant people to see you a certain
way do this, and I learned itlike freshman year of college.
I remember seeing a ton ofgirls post pictures and if they
didn't get enough likes they'dtake them down, or if they
didn't get this and it wasstarting to become really,
really toxic and it wasliterally take it down if it
didn't get enough likesthey would take it down because
they'd be embarrassed, theydidn't get enough likes, um, and
it was, it was really hard towatch that, or they'd edit it so

(15:50):
much and there's like a fineline, right, you can edit a
picture a little bit.
So you're like, yeah, okay,like I look great, but also like
people were like morphingthings, the filters to a point
where it's like you look nothinglike that in person and people
see that, and it's like a reallyinsecure thing that you start
to build.
And so it got to a point incollege where I watched one of
my friends post a picture andshe got frustrated and took it

(16:11):
down and I thought yeah and Ithought I can't do this anymore.
I can't watch people do thisanymore.
It's really toxic.
And I made my social mediaprimarily just about my work.
So then I felt really goodabout everything that I put out
there was for a purpose.
Now, yes, I share some personalthings in my family and stuff,
but for the most part, I, mysocial media, became my brand.

(16:31):
So when you look at my Twitter,my Instagram, anything you know
you say, oh, hannah Mears, thesports broadcaster.
And I started taking that reallyseriously because people had
said one time they're like man,you're like everywhere, like
you're doing this, you're doingthat, and I took a lot of pride
in that because I was making itlook like that too, like I
wanted people.
Someone told me one time onsocial media, if you want people

(16:52):
to like recognize you and doyour thing, like put it in their
face to where they can't notassociate your name with this
thing, yep and so that's what itbecame.
To me was like hannah mirrorsand sports broadcasting.
That that's what I wanted.
I wanted people.
When they said my name, theyknew what I did.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
And you're super consistent.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Well, thank you.
I try to be, but also.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
I slack.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
I could be better.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Everybody can be better, but you're consistent.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
I could be better with it at a lot of it, but I
just was people said about itbecause I was proud of it.
It was a good piece of work, itwas what the people I work with
are proud of, and then you'reless susceptible to feeling the
harsh personal criticism.
Ramifications from thecriticism and things and you're
like no, whatever You're goingto say whatever you want about
me, you try to do that.
Have you ever heard the quote,either one of you, that you

(17:52):
never get criticized peopleabove you like?

Speaker 1 (17:53):
yeah, you don't.
You don't like.
I'm not because people aresecure in themselves.
Yeah, like, but also like Ithink you can learn something
from what they're saying, like,what are they trying to say?
Because a lot of times theydon't articulate it well.
Yeah, what is it like?
What are they trying to say?
And you can look into it abunch of different ways, but I
think they give you a gift.
But at the same time, I loveasking the question how could I
have done it better?
If you have the knowledge myfriend teach me you also have to

(18:14):
have your own filter.
You have to know.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
I don't know what you do, hannah, or you Fort, about
when you hear either on socialmedia or on the air.
You, either on social media oron the air you hear something
somebody might say on the air.
I've heard I don't know if Itold you this story before a few
years ago on a post-game radioshow.
I'm driving home and the hosttakes a call and says okay, you
want to talk about Greg Brown Atfirst.

(18:37):
I'm almost stopping the car,you know oh, here we go.
And he goes.
Yeah, I have a criticism ofGreg Brown.
Oh, here we go Now.
As a play-by-play broadcaster,I had heard forever, and still
do, that you have to constantlygive the score Not on TV,
because it's always up there,but certainly on radio.
And even not that much on radio, because it's on the display in

(18:59):
the car.
But for others you try and givethe score.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
I mean God forbid you look.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
So a buddy of mine suggested well, you're driving,
you're not allowed to look atyour phone.
Yeah yeah, that doesn't everhappen.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
So a buddy of mine suggested they're an old-time uh
radio broadcaster who used anegg timer and this guy that I
worked with did the same thingwith that for you.
So every minute I make sure Igive the score.
He flips it.
So when I'm on radio I havethis egg timer I still do.
And he says I want to talkabout Greg Brown.
I got a problem with him.

(19:30):
What is it?
He goes it's about theout-of-town scores.
I'm sorry, it's the in-gamescores, the Pirates, I'm
thinking in-game scores.
What problem would he have?
He said he gives the score toomuch.
So the criticism forever hasbeen you don't give the score
enough.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
That's what most and now you give it way too much.
And now you give it way toomuch.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
I'm thinking, boy, isn't that the life that we live
?
That?

Speaker 1 (19:55):
means you listen to the whole game.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
No, no, no.
But the point is, you getcriticism from all angles, every
angle, every angle.
Every angle.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
You talk too fast.
You're too enthusiastic.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
You guys probably don't see a lot too, and what I
get is the looks right.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
I mean girls and females.
Well, you did have a differenthairstyle every game.
Do you know that, Rob?

Speaker 2 (20:13):
King was impressed by it.
So I don't know if anybody elsewas.
And I'm sorry if you had tocriticize because you prefer my
hair curly or straight, bubba,but they can't change every time
exactly.
Meanwhile, do they know?
At home my harshest critic islike I'm like do you know what
my grandmother says to me?
You could not make me cry likemy great.
My grandmother's supposed to bemy biggest advocate.
She's like honey, you reallyshouldn't straighten your hair

(20:33):
on tv like it's not a good look.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
You can't say anything if mama didn't say it.
It doesn't matter if mamadidn't like I grew up but it
also, yeah, bubba.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Oh my god, we love her.
We talk about her on thebroadcast a lot.
Bubba's the best, but um yeah,and my grandma also.
Like I have a bubba and agrandma.
My grandma used to grade myessays like reproofing them
because she was an englishteacher and I thought she would
read it like every other grandmaand be like this is so good.
And she'd be like, well, I mean, this could be better and you
could do this.
And I was like grandma, that'snot what I wanted you to tell me

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it was really good.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
That just reminds me of a bunch of I just see red
when you're talking aboutEnglish and no, but it was just
so funny, like that's how I grewup.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
I'm like do you think you could hurt me?

Speaker 3 (21:17):
My grandma used to tell me my like that's a great.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Someone calls me and it's like your shirt's hanging
too low and this is that.
I'm like but did I sound okay?
She's like I don't know, Icouldn't stop looking at it.
I'm like wow, okay, no,everyone's very supportive, but
they're also my harshest criticand I'm like you think you can
hurt me on social media.
My grandmother is saying thisto my face fan, but they're my

(21:43):
harshest critic.
They never say anything reallybad.
They're all very proud of meand they're good.
But my dad will also call meand say well, you could have
phrased it this way and youcould have done this.
I'm like thanks, dad.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Or maybe you should ask, but in some cases it's
helpful.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
It's so funny because it does happen, and I'm sure
it's happened to all of youwhere sometimes you just have a
word of the day and that wordcomes out so much and you're so
mad because it's like amazing.

(22:16):
And that word comes out all thetime.
This year, hilariously, it wascool and it wasn't because I was
saying it.
It's because every one of ourplayers it was cool and it
wasn't because I was saying it.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
It's because every one of our players, specifically
Paul Skeens and Jared Jones andDavid Bednar, described
everything as cool.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
And my mom goes Hannah, can you find a different
adjective?
She sent me a list of wordsthat you can exchange for the
words cool.
But I said, Mom, these aredirect quotes from people, so I
have to say what they said.
I can't just be like Paul Skeensaid this is extravagant or
this is so cool, because hedidn't.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Oh, that's so good.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
This is so amazing.
He didn't say that, he said itwas cool.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Oh, that's great.
That's what I'm using.
That is great.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Because I don't want to misquote somebody.
Yes, made me aware of it everytime I went to say it.
I'm sitting there and I waslike my mom's definitely gonna
be at home listening to thisthing it is so funny to find
work then.
But it's true, that was one ofthe words I know, and I thought
about it all the time, that cameup constantly and my mom,
because I mean, okay, mostpeople probably wouldn't know,
but she's watching every gameand every pregame show, because

(23:17):
she, she's being supportive andwants to see me, but that was so
that's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Well, good news is, I didn't know you quit using that
word you're just translatingright, but I'm just translating
it yeah

Speaker 2 (23:28):
but I almost next year at spring training, want to
be like challenge every singleplayer and be like find a
different adjective, because youall say it even my mom knows it
and, like jared jones, thefirst thing it's cool, but paul
says it all the time it was cooland I'm like I love you and I
think you're amazing and I thinkeverything that you say is so
great.
But we all need to find adifferent adjective because I,
selfishly, can't keep sayingthis in every quote Hannah, what

(23:50):
a great challenge this is forspring training.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
I think I'm going to do this.
How much fun would that be toget guys to start using.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Do you have another way to describe that, Paul?
Just ask him.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
I'm just asking is it cool or is it no?
And I love him, I think he'sgreat and I think he always gets
such insightful answers becausehe's cool and they're all
followed up and they're allgreat and david ben are the same
way and bednar actuallychallenged himself, I feel like
internally this year, where hewas like oh, I got through that
without saying like um or oh,that's great.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
It was so fun.
I gotta be better and I love it.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
It's so good, but it's just that generation of
person too, like jared and PaulI'm saying generations, if
they're that much younger, butthey are.
They did grow up in that socialmedia area where everything's
cool and it's great.
They're so laid back andrelaxed and the moment's not too
big.
That's why they're good at whatthey do, because it really is
just cool to them.
They're so calm.
But it was so funny because Iwas like Mom, you're so right.

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Every time I write this stuffout, I'm like we really do need
to pick a different word,because I noticed it so much.
So much.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
By the way, I just did that.
They didn't hear it, but I didthat intentionally when I said
that's so cool, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
I know you do this a lot and fans out there may share
a secret.
You throw in little things andI know it's coming and I'm like,
oh, he did it and you'll do ita couple different times.
Something I did a lot this yearwith Brawl is I would try to
find ways to get weird sayings,weird words and different things
into the broadcast or word ofthe day.

(25:15):
Can you get it in?
And I had a buddy thatchallenged me a couple years ago
to do it and it's a blast.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Oh, it's so much fun, it's so much fun.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Like I got some things in it Because it's like
also an inside joke and it'sfunny but it's also like it's a
challenge right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Like it's cool and nobody will know it outside.
No, there's one instance and Idon't know if you guys saw this,
yeah, yeah man, he reallychucked it oh yeah, we did that
on the air.
We just kept forever it got.
So oh yeah, we made it tooobvious.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
We did it so far that brawl said I just can't do it
anymore like we.
We just kept going.
He's like yeah, he just, youjust tossed it up.
Yeah, we just kept going andlike I think that's the fun of
it.
Like if someone catches on,sometimes they, sometimes they
don't.
Fans dig it.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Well, the jokes people made the fart jokes about
Neil this year.
Oh my God, you guys had a blastwith that.
They did something about me,but it was so good, it was like
I'll admit it.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
But nothing, it was just a noise, it took off on
social media.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
I'm not trying to deny it, it didn't happen, it
was so funny, but you guys see,but that's what makes you good
too.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
You didn't really take that to heart.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
You knew it didn't happen, but you guys ran with it
the next day.
Well, we did it the next day.
Yeah, the next day.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Because it was on social media, so we just went
ahead and ran with it.
You need it, bud.
I heard stomach issues.
Press dining may be tough.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Right, I love that stuff.
I think we should do a lot more.
Remind me, next year I'll makesure there's a whoopee cushion
under Neil his first broadcast.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Oh, that would be good that would be great.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
What.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
I thought you were going to say was that you would
text us.
Get on our.
I'm not on all your texting,you guys at Sportsnet Pittsburgh
have your own.
But it would be fun if you orsomebody decided to go ahead and
throw a word out, challenge us,and that we all try and sneak
it in.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
I think that would be great.
There's got to be some likerandom games out there where we
can do that.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Brault and King aren't allowed to play.
They use these like reallyweird long words.
I don't like it.
Nobody knows what they'resaying.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Rob King would not be fun to play that game with
because he'd give some elaboratewords and then he'd have the
perfect quote for it and hiswould sound great and everybody
else would just be like ugh,Just throwing it out there.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Just throwing it out there.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
He probably looked it up, for, like he's like, I'm
going to find the best one.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
But you know some, some hosts like each have their
thing right and rob's was sogood where I like honored him in
my first hockey broadcast,where I like gave a quote from
henry ford because the pain wasplaying detroit and like I had
to tie it in right becausethat's what rob is so good at
his opens like I want.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
I want to take all of his opens for a year and just
play him over.
I don't think people realizehow good he is at it and
obviously he probably justdoesn't passing now, but he's a
history buff.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
But also we have such good like we have producers
behind the scenes who reallytrust their on-air talent, which
is so nice too, with like Adamand Freddie and Ty and everybody
who has worked within Sports atthis year, who it really is a
gift to have somebody trust you,because there's sometimes I
don't have things written andI'm like, hey, you've just got

(28:33):
to trust that I'm going to getin and out at this time, I'm
going to say the right things,I'm going to do this.
I just didn't have time to putit all together and they really
bared through with me like myfirst year and learning a lot of
things and doing things on thefly.
And I was like I remember thefirst interview I had, um, like
one-on-one on the field.
You know, adam's in my ear andand he's trying to give me
questions, he's trying to helpme, he's trying to make sure I'm
okay.
And then afterwards we had aconversation and I was like, hey

(29:00):
, like you can trust me to askquestions, so great with that,
where he's just like verytrusting of me or if he needs to
tell me something, tell mesomething.
And I think all of ourproducers I have to give them
credit behind the scenes.
I think that's such a hardthing to do sometimes when
you're like you want theproduction to be so good you
want people to be so perfect,but just trusting people to do
their jobs.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
And we have such great people behind the scenes
that do that.
I hated it at first the ear no.
When I showed up, it's likewhat am I?
What am I doing?
Oh, okay, I'm on camera andthey're like okay, like, but
that's such a con.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
There's never a bigger compliment.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, it's a gift.
How much I've learned from thatand like it's incredible also
worked.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
I won't say like who, what, when, but I've also had
situations in this career fieldwhere I was so prepared for
something, I was so excited tomake it my own and I went in and
they gave me a script ofeverything I had to say, word
for word, and everything I hadto do, and it was so structured
and I'm like well, no wondernobody watches this.
This is so boring, like, like,because you aren't allowing
anyone's personality to cometrue, you're not allowing any

(30:03):
organic conversation, this ishow we've done it, this is what
we do and this is what you'regoing to do.
And I was like why did I juststay up till 2 in the morning
preparing for this?
Because I didn't even have todo that, and I think that's
devaluing the people that youhave.
Like you put people in aposition because going to get

(30:24):
the, you're not going to people.
People know that.
Back to the authenticity wetalked about.
You know well, if you writesomething out for someone,
you're taking everything away,cause, like you know one thing
some people will write it andthey'll be like I'm just writing
it to help you, but like readit how you need to, or like do
this.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Like.
One thing to conquer fear is Iwant to publish some, maybe an
ebook because I was told I wasan idiot and blah, blah, blah
and I have to write like a talk.
So that comes out right.
No one can write for you guys,like if someone wrote something
for you that's not brownie.
Could you imagine if rock wroteyou a?
Sentence or two you'd be likewell yin's yeah yeah you can't

(31:01):
be rock.
Yeah, you just gotta let it belike I won't read anything.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
I'll let anybody write for me and tell me what
they want, and then I rip it up.
If Rock wrote for me, I'd havequestions about how I've spoken
my entire life.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
I would just be like hey Rock, come on, let's go, you
can take this away.
Oh my gosh, I have to make sure.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I like spit a sunflower seed every so often.
Sunflower spit a sunflower seed.
Every so often, insert spitsunflower seed and then keep
going.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
It's like a rock road , something for me it's funny
because early on this past yearI'm used to sticking around for
the post game interview so myheadset's on and over the years
I have been watching Sidelinereporters are all different
personalities and I know duringthe game things can get chaotic

(31:51):
and you might not the generalyou, you not personally Hannah,
but I would be listening and itseemed like the interview would
be winding down and I'd say makesure this is asked and Adam
would relay that and I did that,I think like your first time
and I'm going.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
That's so funny I'm probably like I'm not taking
this back.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
No, no, but.
But this is the true story.
You've asked two or threequestions and I'm going make
sure she asks.
And right then, and there yougo, you ask that question.
I said she's unbelievable, thatthat's what did like.
You are so prepared, you're'reincredible and you're like you
watch and you listen.
You must.
I don't know.
I don't know if you listen tous or not, but it seems like
you've got everything.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Thank you.
That's so funny.
I had no idea you were behindthe scenes.
No wonder he was trying to giveme so many questions.
It was just like the first time.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
And then, once you did, I said forget it, she
doesn't need any help Two things.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Very rarely do I text you and say please try to ask
this question.
I maybe did it once or twicethis year and she tried with all
her heart.
You and Haley both did, becausethere were some weird things
happening and I was like what isgoing on?

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Right, and there was one specifically.
You asked me to ask DavidBettinar a question about a
specific what was it like?
A something about a pitch hethrew and it was a certain
movement and he knew, with theway I said it, that there was no
way it came from me but heanswered it.
He answered it because, like thenatures of my questions, like
yeah, there are some things thatare very baseball and
analytical and I do ask and I amprepared, but there are some

(33:19):
things that, unless you were acatcher in the sport of baseball
and fort Fort is one of thosepeople who sometimes you're like
hold on, not dumb that down,but like humanize that for me.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, dumb it down to me, He'llknow, what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Just go, yeah, and I'm like wait, people at home
have no idea what you're talkingabout, hold on a second.
And so he texted me to askBednar a question in the
clubhouse and I love tocollaborate like that because
that sparks really goodconversations for me later.
And bednar looks at me when theinterview is done, he goes.
Who asked you to ask thatquestion?
I said port, he goes.
it makes so much more sensebecause I had to like check my

(33:51):
phone too, to be like, am Isaying this right and it was
just so funny.
But also that goes to like thetrust in the in the clubhouse
too, like these guys don't treatyou like you're stupid or
anything.
They just think it's funnybecause they know, and they know
I know how to do my job andthey know what I'm talking about
.
But it was just like I wasn'tintimidated to ask that either.
It was just so funny because itwas like they knew.
They're like there's no wayunless you were actually my

(34:13):
catcher, you would even catch onto what that was.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
I wanted to know so bad it was great.
I thought, that was really cool.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
It goes, as you said, the trust factor, and we
discussed this.
I think, again, another reason,hannah, you're so good at this
is that you understand, uh, yourrole and you don't try to go
beyond that.
You don't try to be againstsomething you're not, which I?
I believe that a play-by-playguy I don't, I don't get caught

(34:40):
up in the, uh, the diving deepinto the analytics of the game.
If a, if bob walk is there, why?
Why am I trying to break down apitcher's pitch?
It makes no sense.
He's, he's the guy, and I thinkyou're that way too 100%, and
you know what?

Speaker 2 (34:57):
That's advice you gave to me early on too, when I
came in.
You're like, first of all, it'sjust baseball and credit to you
guys.
You made me feel so comfortableand fit in right away, because
I was so not nervous that Icould do the job.
I knew I could do the job.
I was to like I wanted toenhance the broadcast because
I've been listening to you guysfor so long and you're so good
at what you do, and I was like Idon't want to make this

(35:18):
something that you know lessenswhat they're doing because they
are so good.
I want to enhance what you guysare doing, and so thank you for
just letting me be me.
But like accepting me andtrusting me, but there were so
many thank you.
But there were so many timesthat like, yeah, I went to
spring training with Fort at onepoint and I said, am I ever

(35:39):
going to be able to talk aboutthis?
Maybe not, because it's notgoing to be genuine, but I
wanted to know a drill that thecatchers were doing so bad,
because I was so curious, justsort of how baseball worked and
like we were doing pop times.
Right, that was what that drillwas, where they were trying to
have a good release point, poptime.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
And it was like how much would go.
A little bit more context.
She asked the question rightwhen we were around the catching
core and I was like this is onedrill I love.
They're like, oh, that'ssomething we were thinking about
doing and they ended up doingthe drill.
We watched it together.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Now take it away and so we were doing it and the
catchers are behind home andthey, you know, they get the
ball and they have to throw itto second.
You're measuring that time and,like some guys are up on a knee
and he was explaining to melike why this guy would be up on
a knee, why this guy's in thisposition, specifically watching
a lot of henry davis at thatpoint and before the season was
important and that was an areahe needed to work on because he
had so much power, you weresaying, but he'd be able to have

(36:29):
a lot more accuracy andquickness within a fist, like he
has a bazooka, you called it,and so I'm sitting there and I'm
like wow, I see it.
And then actually Jason DeLay atone point this season had his
best release time, right of hiscareer.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
It came together that day.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Oh, about that, it came together, and so at that
point in the season I was ableto talk to Jason about it in a
way that was hey, you worked onthis in spring training.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Did you see his smile ?
Yeah, because he cares deeplyabout being as good as he
possibly can.
He's squeezing his talent asmuch as anybody over there, and
that meant so much to him.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
And it was so cool to see him have that moment right,
because he's a guy who works sohard and he's so kind and I
just I root for him.
I root for a lot of our guys.
They are so kind.
But it was so cool to be likeI'm so glad I stopped my day,
watched that drill, askedquestions.
I wasn't afraid to sound like,hey, I don't know what's going
on Because, honestly, mostpeople probably have no idea
what this drill means, and evenmaybe some players on their team

(37:24):
have no idea what it means ifyou've never been a catcher
before.
And so I wasn't afraid.
And I think that's a big thingpeople need to know is like, as
females in this industry, you'reso afraid to be like seen as
uneducated or you don't knowsports, but like there are so
many things about these sportsthat unless you actually did
play it, you don't really knowuntil you ask.
And so you can't be afraid toask questions.
And that was the best thing forme was I'm just so glad I even

(37:44):
watched that drill and Fort wasso kind to explain it to me and
didn't treat me as if I wasstupid, didn't treat me as I was
less than, but was soeducational and so kind, and
then I was able to take what welearned and it took maybe four
months into the season, but theperfect moment came where I was
like now we can talk about itand it's perfectly implemented
into this, and we had a wholestory around it and it ended up

(38:05):
being one of the biggest momentsfor this guy.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
And what's so cool about you saying that is, when I
first got here, they pushed meto do analytics and Pittsburgh
wasn't ready.
They were not ready and I hadto find a balance and I realized
I could see things maybe five,six steps ahead, especially when
it came to the game, and I waslike maybe I could use it this
way.
I haven't been able to do it alot on on air, play by play, but

(38:30):
you can see trends happeningand you know a guy is probably
going to either I hate to say itbut maybe get hurt or get
released or maybe change hisentire sequence.
You start to see this.
You get way ahead of the game.
You know it's going to come andif it doesn't, then you have
another question to ask.
That's the coolest part,because you're right With Bob,
me and Bob can get after it whenit comes to arguing about
baseball, because I can'tarticulate some of the stuff

(38:53):
that I'm trying to explain, buthis arguments are always on
point.
It's just like no, this littlepart right here, it may happen
once, and it did this year.
It was about the pitcher'sclock, which we both call the
hitter's clock, and I said atsome point it's going to get
weird because it's not going towork, because the umpire is

(39:14):
going to be like he's not readybut he's not on the mound and
somebody's going to trouble.
I lived that.
I got thrown out of a game, theonly game of my life.
Me and Bob argued in springtraining and three other times
about that exact role.
I said, bob, it's eight seconds.
If he's not in the box you canpitch, but if you're not on the

(39:40):
mound, you can't tell me I gottabe ready to hit, because that
creates tension.
It's my career.
We argued back and forth, butthat's the cool part about who
we are.
Yep, me and rock will talkabout hitting.
He'll say the exact same thingthat I'm saying.
It's just different terminologyand I've used some as
terminology and I've helpedsomeone and it elevated their
career in the major leagues allthe way down to 12 years old,
because you don't know howsomeone's going to take it.
That's the coolest part.
It'll come back at some pointand that's one of my favorite
things about the playbook.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Play with you is because, like you'll say
something like what it came allthe way back yeah it's like full
circle that we've talked abouttime and time again, so it's so
cool about this game well, youknow, and about this business
and hannah, you're you kind oftouched on it, but so, so that
are heck.
You played competitively insports.
Did that help you?
You?

Speaker 1 (40:18):
both played sports growing up.
Oh my gosh, yeah, how much didthat help you 100%.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Oh my gosh, I don't know how you do it and why.
I mean to a small for mesmaller degree, playing at an
amateur level.
You know you've got thatcompetitiveness.
You know what that is on thefield.
You're there, you experiencethat at a small level.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Do you feel like you have a little bit more empathy
or a little bit moreunderstanding, Would you say
Hannah?

Speaker 2 (40:44):
100%.
I would say so because you knowhow hard somebody worked for
that one moment.
You know that you put that inyourself and that's so true.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
And maybe that only moment too, which is crazy.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, I think sports more than anything was just a
lot of hard work and rejectionand not feeling good enough.
And you felt that You've livedit and you know that like, okay,
I'm working so hard, yeah, well, so is everybody else, it
doesn't mean you're going tosucceed.
You know what I'm not?
like you know.

(41:15):
So I think it just it's thework ethic, it's the pursuit and
it's the reason of likehumbling, it's a lot of humbling
.
You right Like it's humblingyourself.
But yeah, when you're workingwith athletes, you can relate to
them in certain things and andknow the know what they're going
through, being like man.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
I can't imagine that or something, or know when a
moment is really a cool moment.
So that my question is then youknowing the experience, when he
hits a walk-off home run or he,whatever, a pitcher throws a
two-hit shutout, that thatfeeling that they have?
From from our standpoint as abroadcaster and for what you do,
your moment is when everythingcomes together.
That preparation, you know youhave a great broadcast.

(41:57):
You touched on that with fort.
You said later, a few monthslater, your moment is when
everything comes together.
That preparation you know youhave a great broadcast.
You touched on that with Ford.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
You said a few months later it all came together, the
stars aligned right.
Yeah, there's a moment on thebroadcast where you used it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
We talked about it because Jason DeLay ended up
having his fastest pop time ofhis career.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah, the 183 best exchange time.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
It all came together at work and I was like I texted
Ford immediately and I said thisis from the drill we were
talking about, right, like Ifact-checked it and everything,
and then I did a whole story onit for pregame the next day.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
And I sent her like the analytical numbers.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, and I was like, can you help me break this down
?
I want to do like, and it wasjust really cool to see that
come to fruition.
And there were other momentsthat happened this year,
something with you did it withHenry too.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
I did it with Henry at one point With his
personality.
His personality, yep, yeah, itwas so good.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Oh, he was great.
And then, yeah, that was sofunny.
Like Henry this year, watchinghim at certain points was yeah,
seeing how many times he gavehim a smile was fun too, oh geez
.
I'm going to break your set here, but there was a point too with
Nick Gonzalez where he had beenworking on anticipation,
pre-pitch anticipation and Iheard I don't remember how the

(43:00):
story came to be, but likesomebody had said something
about it and then I watched thatexact moment happen in the game
and then the next day it turnsinto a story.
I was talking to DK about it, Iwas talking to people oh oh,
because he was warming uppre-game and we saw him in 90
degree weather.
He wasn't even playing that day.
Gonzalez was not in the lineup,but he was still out there
working on this pre-pitchanticipation.

(43:22):
And then the next day gets amoment and it comes straight to
fruition.
It happens the perfect execution.
It was like, well, now we havea story because he had worked so
hard on this.
And then now we have a storyand like it was just really,
really, really cool to see a lotof that where I had no idea why
this person would be doing thison a day they're not playing,
because I asked why a lot of thetime.
So it wasn't just me.
Some of this information came,maybe if someone else observed

(43:44):
it.
And then I took it a stepfurther being like oh, thank you
, I'll go ask about it and notbeing afraid to ask why.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
And I think that's a huge part of this, but how
gratifying is it for you as abroadcaster at the end of the
day after the game.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
She was out there.
Yes, she was out there watchingit.
Yeah, that's 90 degrees.
You're probably wearing a dresstoday.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
We're in tournament 75 outside yeah right, but she's
watching it and that's likewhat's happening, but it feels,
yeah, it feels good.
It feels good, but it also itfeels good because you're making
like you're I don't care that Iwas the one to do it Like I
would have shared that.
I've shared plenty ofinformation beforehand with you
or Joe and being like, hey, ifthis fits better for you to say
it, say it Like I'm not going tofeel bad that you took

(44:27):
something, or something but.
I just feel good that we havethat information, because that's
the stuff that our listenersdon't know.
But then Nick Gonzalez was soproud to talk about that right.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Yeah, because that's the evolution of him.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
I like it more so that it gives these players
their moment.
It gives them their moment, andthat's what I like to see, I
love to ask a question tosomebody and see it that light
on their face about it, right,not like a me me me thing.
I love that they get to havetheir moments to be like yeah,
you know what, I was out thereworking on it and Boyd, even as
a professional athlete, did itfeel good to actually do that

(44:59):
Like those little moments, youknow.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
You just made a man feel seen after being hurt,
doing something that they toldhim.
Defense is never going to bewhat it should be.
He was the second best secondbaseman in our division.
If he, if he qualified, hewould have been a gold glove
finalist Outside Horner.
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Nico Horner.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
yeah, With the Cubs, who's one of the best second
basemen in baseball.
He's the guy, and he worked histail off you.
Bringing that to life not onlygives you credibility, but it
also enhances the understanding.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
It reinforces there the work that they put in.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
But for the fans like oh, what's this development
they're talking about?
It's this much improvement.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
It's that, play it's that play.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah, at that moment it's that stat he got to a ball
that he could never have gottento because he changed his prep
step and he changed hisanticipation.
That made him three times morevaluable than he was just two
weeks ago.
That's how big a jump canhappen, because this guy was a
negative defender, now he'spositive.
You hit something that he wasso passionate about and good,
I'm gonna roll all the way backto spring training.

(46:02):
But you guys are there thewhole time.
You're watching it in real life.
Something clicks and you'relike, oh, that's different.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
And it would never happen if you didn't watch.
And that's the most valuablepart.
Like some people had asked me,like the benefits of spring
training and stuff, I was like Iwould not have done, I would
not have felt as good about theproduct we put out this year had
I not gone to spring trainingand had conversations with you,
had conversations with Ford.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
I flew down on my own Watch things happen.
It's invaluable.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
It's so valuable to watch these guys what they're
working on, but also get them ata time where they're not
overburdened yet by results andother outside sources.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
They're the best shit of their life.
I changed my swing.
I'm so good right now.
And then the first pitch comesand you're like oh gosh, it's
still baseball.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
It's not a cage.
It's very cool to get to seethese people humanized in a way
and build those relationshipsand get them.
I remember my first timewalking to the clubhouse being
so intimidated by Kutch becausegrowing up, which is so funny.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
She was standing outside with Adam and she was
like big-eyed More so becauseyou make it.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
You know when people in sports make it seem like
don't talk to this person don'tdo this.
And so you automatically assumedon't approach Andrew
McCutcheon unless you're told toapproach Andrew McCutcheon and,
like by the nature of what wedo, that's not realistic in
baseball, at least in thePirates Clubhouse, because if
you want somebody you got towalk up and ask them for
something.
That's how it works.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
I have a fun game for us this year, unless you set
something up before and thingslike that.
I have a fun game for us thisyear with Kutch.
I want to feed you some extraquestions He'll probably figure
it out at some point but justcompletely off the wall,
consistent questions that we'llfigure out to ask him, just to
bring out his personalityPerfect.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Not leadership.
Not about ask him just to bringout his personality perfect
like, not leadership, not aboutlike completely off the wall.
Do you know my favoriteconversation I had with kutch
this year, bringing bringingthat back?
Well, like I eventuallyrealized he was just a normal
human and it was great to talkto him he was like you don't
have to be afraid of me.
I was like you can talk to me,because I was so afraid I
thought I had to set up like anappointment, and you were a fan
and you grew up here, so that'syou know when people are we

(47:59):
talked about like meeting yourheroes.
He's one of those people who Imet and was like he's exactly
who you'd want him to be in more.
He's wonderful.
He's an even better dad andhusband than he is baseball
player and, like I, have so muchrespect and love for him.
But one of my favorite times Ihad with him we're just like
talking before a game.
I had just finished aninterview with him for our thing
, and then we're in milwaukee,so we're talking about the
Haunted Hotel and he told meghost stories for an hour.

(48:22):
I was like I don't have time tosit here, but I can't get away
because these are hilarious andthey're real and I wish we would
have been recording thisinstead, but he told me ghost
stories in Milwaukee and a ghoststory in Tampa Bay, and that's
who Kutch is.
He'll just randomly talk to youabout stuff and I wish people
saw that more, but stuff and,and you know, and I wish people
saw that more, but I mean somany people do know his
personality.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
We were talking about archery today, a lot more about
it.
Yeah, we're talking aboutarchery today, like getting
suited up for a bow andeverything.
Like, yeah, he's a great human,he's into all kinds of weird
things, uh-huh.
Yeah, it's fun to get thatpersonality to come out of guys,
but it's not easy because thelight comes on them sure right,
whether win, lose or draw.
But like, if you just throw alittle wrinkle and you pull that
personality out, it's the best.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
And we had ongoing jokes, this year too, where he
might not have thought it wasfunny, but I did, where it was
just like the little, like oh,kutch, you've been around a
while.
Like the old things and so Idon't know if anyone would see
him the scrums and he'd be likethere.
She goes with the.
I had this just like constantjabbing each other going the
whole time.
That was just so fun.
But he's such a fun-loving guyand exactly who you'd want him

(49:25):
to be Like.
It's so fun that way.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
You did a podcast.
Did you do Beers with Mears?

Speaker 2 (49:32):
I did do Beers with Mears for a little bit.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Was that your doing?

Speaker 2 (49:36):
That was my doing.
That was something that, when Istarted working with Pigs and
Parlays- the sports bettingcompany, I had always pigs and
parlays pigs.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Oh, how does that fit ?
Oh, we're not always on thefarm, but um we ate hot dogs and
piss.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Jobs yeah, pigs and parlays.
Uh, I had pitched to them thatI was doing a podcast,
originally called hear them out,with hannah mirrors.
That's what I did during covidjust to keep myself like fresh,
tremendous.
I wanted to rebrand it, though,because I wanted some of the
feedback I had gotten when I wastrying to get jobs was okay,
you might be good, but what canyou do outside of Penn state?
I'm like well, that's a littleharsh.
My past four years, this iswhere I've been.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
What else am I supposed to do?

Speaker 2 (50:12):
But I was like okay, fine, I'll show you what else I
can do, and I like wanted torebrand myself a lot and be like
I'm not this 21 year oldcollege girl anymore.
I can do other things.
Yes, I like to have a beer.
That's who I am.
I like to kick back, relax, andso I'd have people on my
podcast and have a drink a beerand have a conversation, exactly
, and that's sort of what youguys are doing where you put
people in a space where they canbe themselves yeah and that was

(50:35):
so fun for me.
I didn't I don't get to continuedoing it um, I miss doing, but
I just didn't have the time todo it.
I was editing it and I wasdoing all the things, um, and it
was with picks and parlays, butit was so fun to get to like
rebrand myself and a lot of myfriends had seen it and texted
me like beers with mirrors, likethis is great, because they
know me as a girl who, like if Igo to a bar I'm getting a beer.
Or like kicking it with peoplein the backyard with a fire.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
I grew up on a farm.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
I grew up in field parties and bonfires and beer,
that's great.
That's what it is, you know, soyeah, so Beers with Mirrors was
really fun.
A lot of cool guests came onthere.
It was so, so, incredible.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
That goes back to like she'll probably think this
is really cool.
We talked about it before.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Cool or neat.
Cool, I did that on.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
I did that on.
I'm going to go back in thisepisode and listen to how many
times I said the word cool.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
now You're going to think this is extraordinary
there we go.
And cool, but back in the day,after the game, we would
decompress.
So, you wouldn't take that stuffhome and we miss it.
We talk about it all the time.
That's kind of how this started.
We do that before we go on air,but that's what I miss.
That's what beers with mirrors,I'm sure, turned into is like
you get to decompress, and Iwish we did more of that for the

(51:44):
fans.
So, like, whoever it was,whether good, bad or ugly, it's
like, hey, we're going to sitdown, we're going to just have a
round table, because then youactually can go home.
We all have this old adageshower it off, it's not real,
it's a lie, unless you actuallyleave it there.
Right, that's with live tv,that's with everything else.

(52:05):
That's why I love this forum,yeah, and I wish you got a lot
more of that with these guys,because back in the day brownie
this is where I'm leading towhat would you do on bus rides?
What would you do after games?
With not just your guys but theteam, the manager and you
became so close that, like atthree in the morning, if in
trouble, you're probably callingsomebody that nobody thought
you were calling.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Well, that's what I also appreciated, though, about
the bus rides, about thoselittle moments where, sometimes,
like a guy like Kutch, wouldcome and just sit across from
you and just want to talk to youand talk with you as a friend
and you know, and I thought thatwas really cool eventually when
people did start letting theirguard down and talk to you as a
person and then you felt reallyincluded but then also
comfortable to be able to liketalk to them in certain spaces

(52:46):
and ask them things.
And I will say like my firstyear with the Pirates was so
beautiful and everything I couldhave wanted it to be more.
I couldn't have imagined it inthis way because we had a team
that was so family.
It felt like to me where Iwalked in the clubhouse and I
didn't feel uncomfortable.
I walked in the clubhouse and Ididn't feel uncomfortable.
I walked in the clubhouse and Ididn't feel like people were
like oh, she's in here, you knowthey might have made jokes but

(53:07):
were so willing to talk to meand support me and they filled
out a way about some.
I'm just saying yeah, and theywere just like so kind to me.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Don't look at me.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
So kind the same way and that makes it feel really
good.
You know, when you have liketeammates around you or you felt
part of the team and and thatfelt really good, but at the
same time they just you knowthey were.
It was just fun because theylike made jokes about things.
And brian reynolds the one daywas like come on tree, hit a
home run and you're not gonnainterview him, but like I had to
interview the catcher becausepaul schemes pitched that day

(53:37):
and it was like a really youknow what I mean.
I'm like okay, whatever, likeblame so and so because so and
so didn't come and like, but itwas just those funny moments you
had with people that you'relike, never taking it too much.
But then you know they hadinside jokes but they always
took you seriously and Irespected that, because they
could have been like an insidejoke or not taking me seriously
and but anytime I had a questionto ask it was like all right,
cool, what do you got?

Speaker 1 (53:57):
like go ahead you know, you gain their respect
that's and I hope I did.
I tried to respect, but you cansee it blatant as day as a
former, like I know you can too.
You watch it enough.
I've been in many clubhouseswhere respect is gone.
Yeah, and you had it, andthat's the biggest thing.
It's very hard to do.
I say it whether you're in themedia, whether you're a new

(54:18):
coach.
It takes time.
You got to earn your keep, andespecially with young guys,
because they're just gettingthere, they don't want to say
anything wrong, and old guysbecause they're like, okay, what
are you trying to get out of me?
And that takes time.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
It does, and there were some players that, yeah, it
felt like we had the co-workerrelationship, but then toward
the end of the season it finallybroke that barrier of more of a
friendship and this and I waslike, oh wow, we finally got
here.
It took us all year but here weare.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
But it's because a lot of them you do and you pray
they come back.
You're like, please come back Alot of the veteran players and
things like that.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
you do have to earn their trust, because they have
been either burned before orthey're just very quiet about
things or they don't trust thatyou're not going to.
And then, once you really learnand talk to people and you know
, I'm just so thankful that thePirates are like that, where the
clubhouse is such a welcomingspace, because being like the
only female in there sometimesis a really also weird and
intimidating thing and like it'svery vulnerable and you just

(55:11):
you just aren't sure how it'sgoing to go.
But nobody ever made me feellike I shouldn't be in there.
I'm going to lead you into thenext question.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
So she was the alpha dog this year.
Mackie.
To the next question.
So she was the alpha dog thisyear.
Mackie left of asking likereally authentic questions and
you could tell like well, likesomebody, somebody had to be the
answer in the room and you werelike how cool is that to see,
because that's always thequestion.
I'm sure, as a female going in,like you're pretty much the only

(55:39):
one in that, like media group,that's there every day.
You're, you literally arerelentless at showing that.
Like media group, that's thereevery day.
You're, you literally arerelentless at showing up to
everything and you sit in theback and you just listen.
You don't really ever ask aquestion, cause you get your own
time.
How cool is that to see?
Because I get to hear it, youknow, off air and on air.
And I was like man, how is sheleading the way at her first
year?
These old dudes aren't reallypushing the envelope.

(56:01):
You kept doing it.
I think that gained respect ina different way, because that
has to be the hardest thing.
Because I don't go into DerekShelton's office very often,
I'll say hello, I give him astogie every now and then, but
it's very difficult becausethey're going through a lot and
a lot of people don't know whatall they go through.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
It's not easy, especially when you lose or
something's going wrong orsomething's awkward.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
And unfortunately he's not been able to pull that
over the top.
So every single year he hasmoments where it's just like
this has to be miserable tofigure out how to answer, but
you still we're relying on youfor a second too, you're asking
those questions.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
And I feel like I always have to toe a line and
you're going through your headlike should I ask this?
How should I ask this?
Should I not ask this?

Speaker 3 (56:47):
I will say I developed a really good
relationship with our beatreporters, like our core group
of guys who travel with us a lotand it took a little bit to
earn their respect.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
I mean, Bev, she's right there with them and and it
took a little bit to earn theirrespect.
I felt like too like in springtraining they weren't sure of me
, like it felt like I mean, theywere always very welcoming, but
it was like, oh, they're notsure if I know what I'm doing
yet.
And then instantly I feel likeit was a really close friendship
.
But also there would be so manytimes where I'd be like, hey,
guys, like before we go in here,let's c?

(57:21):
This has to be asked, this isit.
You know?
And there are moments like thatpeople might at home, might not
realize that, but thoseconversations are being had, um,
and we have to be respectful ofthe space that we're being
welcomed into, right, likethat's not our space, that's his
space, and like we have to beaware of that.
And yeah, are there things thatyou ask?
All of us have asked a questionthat we've got like slapped on
the wrist for something, or it'slike that was not right.

(57:41):
Um, and you live and you learn,and that's fine.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
But even I mean Rob Keane got slapped on the wrist
this year.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
It happens, but I was also not aware that when, when
I took the shop, that when Iwalked in the clubhouse that was
something I learned they, theyall told me hey, robbie used to
ask the first question.
So, like, free will to ask thefirst question, and that just
became a thing.
But then it also became a thingwhere I was always taught like,
no matter what, so even if I'msomewhere, I was always taught
you have to have a question forsomebody.
Like, don't go into a space,into a media scrum, specifically

(58:10):
, and be the one without aquestion.
It looks like you're wastingsomebody's time and there is
nothing I hate more than beingwith a group of people who are
wanting someone's time andattention after a win or a loss
or anything.
They have places to be andthey're giving you their time
and you stand there and wait forpeople to ask something.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Oh, that's terrible and that's why you go.
You're the aggressor, I mean,you start it off.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
There's a lot of times in baseball where it's
like what the heck can I askafter that?
But you better have somethingand we have a great support,
like people who do do that.
But I remembered freshman year.
I was interning with Arielle andI.
She gave me her recorder andshe goes, go get.
This was how I started out.
Go get quotes from thesefootball players so I can write

(58:50):
stories later.
Because she was hosting apostgame show and I walked in
and Saquon Barkley was sittingthere and I just held a recorder
there and there were peoplejust asking questions and I
didn't think I was allowed toask anything.
So I didn't.
And he started laughingmid-presser because him and I
had been friends.
We were classmates.
He was one of my first friendsI made at Penn State and he
found out broadcast was what Iwanted to do.

(59:12):
He saw a picture of me as arunner on the sports net or the
sports center desk at Latrobeand was like I didn't know, like
what do you want to do?
Like blah, blah.
So we had developed afriendship at thisrobe and was
like I didn't know, like what doyou want to do?
Like blah, blah, blah, oh mygosh.
So we had developed afriendship at this point and he
turns and starts laughing.
He sees me with this likerecorder in his face and people
were like what are you laughingat?
He goes nothing, something'sfunny.
And then afterwards he goes Ididn't know you were Ariel's

(59:32):
intern.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Like weird by the way , like like pointing that
recorder mic oh it's so weird,it's uncomfortable, it's
uncomfortable, you feel sointrusive and it's so odd and I
hate.
Will you please just go, paul?
Yeah, yeah, exactly to see whathappens.
He would go, hannah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
But just say it again paul, yeah, paul hannah, no,
that would be oh too funny.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
But um, but yeah, to that point.
Saquon told me after that andit's something that has stuck
with me and like he probablywouldn't remember this ever, you
know, but it was something that, as a young reporter, meant a
lot to me.
He goes the next time you're inthat space.
He goes why didn't you ask aquestion?
I said, well, I'm not reallysupposed to, and he goes.
I'm not answering a single oneof them next time until you're
the first person to ask aquestion, so come with a
question.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
And I thought that was so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Wow, but because somebody challenged me, pushed
me, believed in me and Saquonhas done a lot in my career to
help me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
He was such a good friend, but he was somebody who
made me in that same class MikePoorman's class stay after class
.
One day Shannon Furman, who's adirector and producer at NFL
Films, was speaking to our class.
He made me stay after classuntil everyone left.
He goes you have to meet thiswoman.
He goes you want to do this.
She's somebody you need to meet, and so I was so scared I was a
freshman I stayed after class.

(01:00:52):
He had a relationship with her,so he introduced me to her.
She then introduced me to LeoMcCafferty, who was a producer
at the Pittsburgh Penguins, whogot me my first internship.
So it was like really, crazy howall of that happened, but there
were just certain people who Ilook back and I'm like gosh,
they challenged me to do thatand Saquon was a really small

(01:01:13):
example of so many people whohave taught me those things.
But I have never not gone intoan interview, a media scrum,
anything without asking aquestion, ever because of that
one moment where I was like he.
He was like, why aren't youasking me a question?
Like challenged me and Ithought that was so cool.
And so ever since, even if Ifeel like I have nothing that
day and I mean okay, I say thatwith loose terms, because in

(01:01:34):
baseball and you have 160 games,there are beat reporters who
have stories to write andsometimes I'll just let them ask
the questions they need to.
There's nothing I'm going toask.
That maybe enhances theconversation at that point.
Or, like you know, pre game withShelty, sometimes it's like,
okay, I'm going to let them askwhat they need to, because they
need to yeah and I'm not goingto get in the way of that, but I
always come with a questionwell, don't you always ask the

(01:01:55):
first question post game ofalmost every time, okay?
So if I let's say, I interviewKutch on the field and something
big happened like his 300thhome run, kutch eventually got
funny toward the end.
It was like, oh, let me guessthey're going to make you work
double time and come ask me thesame thing from the clubhouse.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Which is funny, because I might be like hey,
buddy, here we go again.
Do it again, again, but to makesure it wasn't repetitive or I
wasn't the one I had theprivilege of interviewing them
on the field and getting thatfirst reaction.
Sometimes I'll go to the beatreporters and say hey, alex,
like you're asking the firstquestion today, so that I'm not
repetitive and then I let themhave that too, and then if
there's another follow-up inthere, I find I'll ask.

(01:02:35):
but yeah, so I do ask the firstquestion, unless there is
moments like that where I'm like, hey, go, go ahead, like I got
them on field.
You guys haven't yet, I'll letyou take the turn.
So if they see me not askingthe first question, typically
that's why Shelty postgame.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
You're not always the first.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Typically, I think, for probably 138 of the 140
games I covered, I was the first.
I can't remember when you did.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
There's another fun thing we're going to do next
year we're going to do the wordof the day and we're going to do
the times.
Hannah doesn't ask the firstquestion the post game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Don't put an over-under, because I'll be in
the background and be like youhave to ask.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
No, you will not know it.
We'll talk amongst ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
So I get goofy when I don't know what to do.
So what do you guys do?
I have defaults, right we, whenwe make a mistake.
Man, if I didn't know what toask, they played terrible.
So what did you eat for dinner,like, do you ever want to just
go completely off the wall?
No, are those differentshoelaces?

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Yes, but no Time and place right.
Just to break it up, if there'scertain games, like at this
point in the season there was atough time with, I won't get
specific.
We had a tough stretch right,and so you just know you have to
know, you know yeah, you knowthe like clubhouse vibe where
you're like I'm not about towalk in here and ask them a
funny question when no, theyjust want to get straight to the

(01:03:49):
point.
Or if a pitcher right, like youknow they didn't have their
best game, they get pulled afterthe fourth inning.
They're disappointed things arehappening.
You're just going to be likehey, like what went wrong out
there, what you know, like lethim let them tell their story.
I'm very big on let somebodytell their story and when to ask
a follow-up to it, when to notask a follow-up to it.
And you just have to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Really, that's reading the room.
Yeah, I love that you have toread the room.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
You have to read the room, especially when there's
that many games and you'retrying to keep relationships and
you're trying to get people notmad at you.
It's like hey, you know I havea job to do, I know you have a
job to do, let's just get thisover with.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Sometimes, you know it's the worst as a player and
we never talk about this, butlike we played awful, I hit two
homers.
You know what I mean and you'vegot to balance that out.
That's when I think like a goodjoke, because like it's your
career and reality of it is, Iwish I was a pirate for life,
but I wasn't.
I played for nine teams, soyou're playing also for yourself

(01:04:46):
and I remember Walt Weiss saidthis in spring training we're
playing for a championship untilyou're playing for yourself.
Because he literally said thisroom will never be the same and
I was like, wow, that's powerful.
And he said I'm speaking from aguy that didn't stay in the
same room very long and most ofyou won't.
There's very few that will.
And I think about that and Ithink we lose that sight

(01:05:09):
sometimes, obviously as fans,because we react so hard.
It's like man, if we buy inright now, this kid could take
off, and a lot of times I feellike we have that power more
than most and it's kind of neatand I think we've done a great
job.
You guys especially kind ofpushing it a little bit, whether
it's behind the scenes or, youknow, on air.

(01:05:30):
It's really cool.
It's not normal.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
From other places I've been there's, but there's
like also, there's no biggercompliment to, to when you're
asking, like just certain things, like post-game questions or
walking to a clubhouse, or likewhen to ask things, when to not
ask things, like there is nobetter compliment as in my
opinion, in my position thanhaving someone come up to you
and be like, how did you getthat person to say that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
and when I was doing wrestling reporting this year at
the big 10 championships isthat like your game-winning hit
for?

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
you?
Yeah, absolutely, because yougot somebody to be vulnerable,
and wrestling's a really hardsport to cover, where people are
very like, they're not used tothose posts or they're coming
off the mat exhausted andthey're not used to a post game
interview and, like they'reexhausted in a way, they were
just basically in a fist fightwith somebody.
Now they have to come answerquestions You're going to get
raw right there.
And so I think it was coveringthe world championship, like

(01:06:20):
U-20 world championships, and Igot I was just having a
conversation with this kid likesocial media, like I had my
phone up just interviewing himand he's telling me all kinds of
things and I'm like great, likehe's a good personality.
And someone came up to me afterand goes how did you get him to
talk?
I said what do you mean?
I just asked a question andthey there's a lot of people who

(01:06:40):
don't Like we knew in thebeginning of the year Henry
Davis was so quiet.
Like he probably wasn't going tosay much, but it would be like,
all right, let's see if we canget him to at least smile.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
We let it shizzle away at that guy and he was
credit to Henry.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
when he got called back up he was a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
I met him right after he got drafted in the booth.
We interviewed him I'll neverforget it and he created a
persona, whatever it is.
He thought he had to be thatmilitary tough-minded and then,
when he broke that down, you'replaying a kid's game.
You can say you're going to warbut you're not actually going
to die.
That consequence does not existtheoretically.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
On the field.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Exactly so.
Like the balance there, I thinkhe was trying to learn because
he was trying to be someone hethought he needed to be, and I
saw something just like you did.
I think we even talked about it.
He changed and I'm like thisdude may be the guy that we've
been wanting, needed and what hedeserves with his hard work,
because that personality it wasnever about talent, it was never

(01:07:45):
about ability, it was neverabout what was happening on the
field.
It's like when's he going tofind his identity?
When that I was like what goodanswers.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
I'm sure you see that .

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
When you see that come out.
Jack Wilson brought it up aboutwhen he pushed back.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Finally, because they were crushing him and they were
cutting up his suits, makinghim wear stuff.
He started hiding his suits.
He brought two suits to thefield.
He pushed back.
That's so great.
He elevated his game Becauseyou say wait, I don't have to
take this.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Why am I doing this?
And then he changed and that'snot his personality, but that's
changed his entire makeup,moving forward and personality,
but that's changed his entiremakeup moving forward and now
he's a leader of men.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Yeah, it is so cool.
It's so cool and I think that'sone of the most rewarding parts
of the job too is when you seepeople start to be themselves
and be vulnerable and like letthose walls down and those
barriers, and there's nothingmore rewarding and I always say
that I'm like man, like when Ican get somebody to be
themselves.
That is so cool and it's thebiggest compliment ever.
It's like how did you get himto talk?
I was like, well, I just talkedto him like a person I don't
know like how do you get peopleto talk?
But it's the biggest compliment.

(01:08:44):
It makes you feel so goodbecause it makes you feel like,
wow, maybe in that moment thatperson felt like they could
trust me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
And I've also had the opposite where I'm like how not
, I can't do that right, likewhat they were telling me, like
I, I don't know if I couldactually do that, so I just did
what I thought I could.
Right, I just reacted and Ithink guys for a long time tried
to be something that they weretold.
I mean we saw that right, ohyeah, the hoke.
Hey, yeah, like I love military, I think that could have worked
in a different time inindividuals, not as a group, but

(01:09:23):
like guys came in and I'm likedude, just be.
I'm like we were just talking.
What you just told me wouldgive you credit.
You're making yourself lookdiscredited, yeah, and I don't
think they understand that and Ipray they do.
And I think we have the rightgroup to help them because it's
their brand, it's their abilityto move forward, because, yeah,
I love personality.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
We were talking about Peguero.
Yeah, Like seeing him smile,I'm like man.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
It's so infectious and he makes everybody better.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
And you know who I mean.
I'm so excited for a lot ofthings.
For the reasons of like youknow, you're now invested in
this team.
They feel like you're family.
I'm so excited to see what thepirates can do, but I'm so
excited for a guy like bubbachandler to see what he can do,
and not just as a pitcher,because I love his personality
to where he told me when.
So I'll never forget one of myhighlights of the season because

(01:10:12):
it's one of the things thatstands out of my mind is one of
the most fun moments was when hegot to close the prospects game
.
He had never closed a gamebefore and I'm back right.
I'm by the bullpen when he'swarming up because that's where,
like my station is and he'sjust standing out there talking

(01:10:33):
like shooting it, you know, andhe goes, chugs a Red Bull
crushes the can throws it on theground and goes he's now
elevated on my list.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
If he would have pounded it on his head, then top
of my list.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Psychopath, Crushes a Red Bull in his hand, throws it
on the ground and goes let'sclose this bitch and just walks
out there.
He did just that.
Quote for quote, that's exactlywhat he said.
I said, oh my God, I love thiskid.
He had never closed a gamebefore and he was so pumped
about it he put on the cape hecouldn't wait.
He put it on.
It's like you put the mask on.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
You're like at the end of a superhero movie, when
the fight's about to happen andhe's like let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Like Bubba Chazzo's closed, this bitch Walks out on
the mound, does exactly that,then looks at me and he goes.
I'm in the post-game interview.
Personality just came through.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
That's where you pick closers in my mind you pick the
guy, that's like he could shivme.
He could maybe strangle me, buthe could definitely make sure
you're terrified.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Think about all the personalities growing up Like
Jared Jones.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
I want him to start so nobody gets put out of his.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
He has the personality of a closer.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Oh my god, I put that little guy out there and said
go kill, Because he has a killer.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
He has that switch and Bubba Chandler is a lot more
calm and laid back, but he hasthat switch on the mound right.
And I just thought that was oneof the coolest moments where I
was like this kid's going to begood.
He's not going to let himselfnot be good, but he has to be
good at this level.
He didn't care who was outthere, he's like you want me to
close?
Let's close this bitch.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
It was one of the great post-game interviews.
I mean, it was only springtraining, but I thought that was
wow.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
That was incredible.
Well, he made the team becausehe went all in on who he is.
That's why Bubba Chandler willprobably make the team, and you
know who else?

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
was like that too.
There's so camp at some pointand go back down to the minors
that I just love talking toevery day, because they weren't
afraid anthony solomino, tamardonzo they weren't afraid to be
themselves.
Right, and solo is one of thosepeople who he's telling me all
about.
Like you know, the tampa baything with tom brady eating the

(01:12:32):
chocolate cake and looking athenry davis being like I'm
eating the chocolate cake.
Do not eat the chocolate cake,because this is tom brady's,
brady's chocolate cake, like I'meating the chocolate cake Since
you brought up those two guys'names.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
I'm going to throw out a little thought of mine.
Tamar Johnson, not as fast asSalamito, but both those guys
failing this year was thegreatest gift.
Yeah, yeah, you got to do it,Because Tamar's never really
failed he failed on both endsfor a while.
He ends for a while.
He, I really believe,understands one affects the
other.
He's got to separate and he'sgoing back to his roots.

(01:13:06):
He's playing for USA Baseballright now and I think Salamedo
got caught up with what wasaround him and then they set,
whenever they made those movesand he stayed.
I was like, oh yeah now he'sthe dude, but you know when
you're talking about success.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
They're not afraid to put in the work.
They knew where they were atand they knew that they that
wasn't the standard that theyallowed themselves to be at, and
so that's why I'm so excitedfor these young guys, because
there is a fire in them.
Right like you, you feel it,yeah you gotta let it go.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
It's like jared jones .

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Even at the end of the season we were asking him
and it's one of his finalclubhouse interviews he kept
saying, when we're saying like,what do you want to do next year
, all these things you know, andwhatever roundabout way we're
asking it, he kept mentioningpaul and he's like I don't want
to keep bringing up his name,but like I want to be like him I
want to do what he did, andit's.
They're like one firing up theother and they aren't afraid to
be like he's better than me,he's this, it's like what he's
doing, I want to do that, andlike that makes you so excited

(01:13:56):
it's not got these guys in hisown way correct.
He's not going to mimiceverything, but he's like that's
the standard we're chasing andit's really cool to see those
young guys from the bottom upjust really excited to get out
there and do that it was reallyfun to hear.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Brownie, I don't know how much time we have, but I'm
going to kind of throw outsomething we've joked around
about.
So I want us to completelyenthrall ourselves into the
pirate right.
Like I call.
Aj Burnett was the pirate ofour team.
I want people to hate cominghere.
You guys both.

(01:14:32):
I want a cannon, I want a ship.
I wanna get weird.
I want people to hate when theycome in because the lights come
off and pirate stuff and itjust is a very uncomfortable
right.
What do you get?
What do you see?
How can the younger fan basereally rally behind the growth
of winning?
Cause?
Like winning starts today.

(01:14:53):
You you said that last year andI love it Like you can't
prepare.
If you're not preparing to wintomorrow, you've got a problem.
You can't make everything workwhen you start winning.
So like winning is today, and Ialways say that with broadcasts
.
One thing I hate about TV islike what's the challenge,
what's the next step, what's mywin?
And that's what pulls me realhard to coach, to mentor, but

(01:15:16):
I'm not there.
What do you see?
You're around these guys,you've been in the city.
It's something I want to askevery guest, but like you're a
different version and adifferent look.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
And I think it'd be cool to start with you.
So for me.
I went to Penn State.
I saw one of the hardestatmospheres in college sports to
play in and it was the whiteout.
And you know why?
It didn't matter if Penn Statewas good or bad.
The fans showed up for that onething because they knew they
could impact that game.
It's like Roman warrior.
Unbelievable, I will never,forget.
I was on the sidelines and Ifilmed that.

(01:15:49):
Michigan false start, that'slike infamously all over the
Internet, that's in a video game.
This year, and really of thatmoment where they false started
because it was so loud and it'sdeafening.
You're in the press box, thepress box shakes because people
are shaking and like it is oneof the hardest atmospheres for
another team to play and theyhave to learn a silent count
because you can't hear whenyou're interviewing someone on
the sidelines.

(01:16:10):
One of my biggest critiquescoming out of college was you
sound like you're screaming inyour interviews.
I said have you ever tried tointerview someone with 107,000?

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
people screaming.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
No, it is not easy.
Your person can't hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
I don't want the other team to be able to have an
interview I hate going there.
We can't get any good content,it's just our content.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
When Kutch tweeted out blackout energy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Like that's what I envisioned PNC Park to be.
Real quick, real quick Bothtimes.
Well, no, jay, we talked aboutit on the bus in 13.
I know, and I pushed, and,pushed, and pushed and then I
was like, all right, what do youthink?
And it was actually a wife of aformer player that said, talked
about college football,happened in 13.
But when Kutch came back, hesaid it on and I just happened.

(01:16:53):
This is a godsend.
I happened to hear you say iton the fan.
Wouldn't it be nice?
Wouldn't it be nice?

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
yeah, wouldn't it be nice on Twitter and I told Kutch
and everything else and then itjust went viral.
But you know, the coolest partabout that is it was not easy.
It could not have been easy forother teams to come in when
Paul was on the mound, but itwasn't big enough for me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
I hate to say that it wasn't big enough.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
But I'm saying when you're saying a vision, right,
that's the vision.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
That's exactly what it is.
How can we make this even moreuncomfortable?

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Pittsburgh fans by nature are going to be hard to
play against because they areride or die.
Teacher are are gonna be hardto play against because they are
ride or die.
So it's like when you're whenyou've got paul skeens on the
mound the city showed up, theydid show up, they did their due
diligence.
You know when the military daywould be hard?

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
paul skeens day.
Yes, every day he pitches.
I would have as many militaryin.
I don't know how you want to doit financially, but they'd be
free for me.
You show up, you're in the gamesupporting our military guy.
Do you realize what that wouldbe like?

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
But also you have to understand this too we're
talking about comparisons tofootball, where there's 17 games
, there's 160 baseball games.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
We know that every single one isn't going to be
like that.
You understand, and there'sbaseball.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
There's the elements, it's hot.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
It's miserable.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
You've also got baseball games.
At like noon You've gotbaseball games, baseball game.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
So it's weird times.
It oftentimes has to be organicfriday night at a friday night
saturday night that's pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
I would love for pittsburgh to be the hardest
weekend night spot to play inyeah all of major league
baseball you'd love thatabsolutely the unbelievable when
was there a place you felt andI'm leading into I saw something
when I was a player.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
was there a place that you guys go on the road,
that you feel like, oh no, likeyou could see in the eyes of the
players?
You could just tell like theenergy's different.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Well, the thing about it is it's really, really, this
is the apple, the checker ofthe egg theory, what comes first
?
So you can try and create that,but Milwaukee has that, yeah,
but not when they weren'twinning.
You know it's so, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Not when they weren't winning, but like.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
Yeah, but I agree that you have to be prepared to
win.
We've talked about that, thatyou need to be prepared for
these moments.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
But we lost like 9,000 games there, right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
know why Milwaukee had that, because it's a flight
hangar.
I felt like Milwaukee was thetype of team that they were
never going to be completely out.
You could be up 7-0, and youstill were kind of holding your
breath, because South Carolina'scoming up to bat and you're
like gosh or like Willie Adamasis up and you're like, oh no,
not again.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
You know what I mean.
They had an identity, they hada grit.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
They had an identity about them.
Otherwise, one of the coolestplaces I thought.
That just felt it reminded meof football.
Now it's biased because domessound louder.
Houston was really hard for meto hear.
Like the broadcast andeverything.
Houston had a feel to it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Houston had a feel.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
I don't know what it was.
It had a feel.
It was cool.
I was like man, these fans arebought in, they feel like
they're on top of me, it'sbiased toward where you're
sitting to and where you feel,and things like that.
Houston, I think, had an edge,I think, playing the Reds at the
end of the season they had anedge For sure.
You felt like they were justout there ready to take names.

(01:20:00):
To me they weren't scary.
A scary team to play isn't theright way to put it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
But they were a team that you were like.
I don't know if I'd want to beplaying you right now if
everything's on the line reallygood they got some young talent
and you know what I was gonnasay.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Nelly concert after, and I'm sorry we all stayed to
watch it, and so did their fans.
And how many fans that theybring in, like the incentives.
They were promoting it, butthey were also giving fans a
reason to be there beyond, andthen they like whooped on us a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
They had an Ellie concert.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
It was like okay, well, we that's how you get
younger fans to your point.
You bought in Yep.
Do you remember?
I think it was 12 or 13 whenthe Dodgers ownership changed
Yep?
Well, they did this thing.
That just floored me.
So they have those giantspeakers.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
And me.
So they have those giantspeakers.
Yeah, and jay-z has a song,it's f with me.
Uh, I don't know the exact song, you know I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
You know I got it.
It's what it is.
You know I got it.
Yeah, so we're there inseptember we're there in
september.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
I didn't play the first game, I played the second
game and we have all the youngguys still 40 man roster and I
look down, they turn this on andI think jerry springeringer was
there, or Jerry Springer, therewas like five or six.
Rihanna was there and I look atthese guys, their eyes are this
big and I was like we have noshot.
The speakers, the bass wasrattling us, the fans were

(01:21:22):
starting to make humming likenoises and it just got more
emotional, more emotional.
We got crushed because we madeso many mistakes and we lost it
in the moment before the gameyeah you know, like I've been,
I've been watching tennesseefootball some and watching them
before the game.
You can look over the sideline.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
You're like they got no shot well, do you know what's
really funny?
We were watching the worldseries this year and they had
like performers come out andthings like that.
I said how cool, like justimagine it, a world series game
in pittsburgh would be like,unlike anything you've ever seen
, because a fan show up butthere'd be such a pittsburgh you
versus the city feel to itbecause there's nothing like the

(01:22:01):
, the, the redneck, blue collarsports fan base.
That pittsburgh is like whenyou show up and the steel right
and it's Steelers Ravens gameand renegade comes on, it's
going to be our first one.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Something right To me the first one.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Like it is.
There is nothing like thatfeeling and I truly believe
baseball could be tenfold Like.
Even remember.
Was it not last year, the yearbefore Bednar came out to close
the game?
The Pirates are out of roll,the stadium goes black.
Renegade comes on, those lightsare going and you just feel it
and I think the Pirates in theWorld Series, the PNC Park

(01:22:34):
holding a baseball game, themost beautiful baseball stadium
in all of Major League Baseball,and you've got the Pittsburgh
grit attached to it.
It would be chilling.
There would be nothing like itFor me, with Wiz Khalifa coming
out singing black and yellow tostart.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
You know what I mean.
It's over.
It's over.
Every dude that came out of thebullpen, I would black that
stadium out.
They'd all have their thing andI'd have them punching tickets.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
And you have, yeah, you have Mitch Keller, paul
Skeens, jared Jones.
You're like what am I eventrying to do?

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Spotlight from a helicopter Now batting Andrew
McCutcheon.
Sorry Tim.
Tabacco, that was really goodhe comes in and whatever he
wanted, and I would just havered everywhere.
You are going to lose.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Even more than that.
Imagine this you have thetowels, the terrible towels, and
things like that, but then youalso have what you were talking
about with the hockey broadcast.
You have Mike Langisms playingthroughout the stadium.
You have every.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Pittsburgh, iconic thing happening.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
You just have that feel and it's because we go back
to the first thing we talkedabout the history of Pittsburgh
is so rich and the winningculture here.
And I think that's when peopleask me too oh, you work for the
Pirates, oh well, it'soff-season.
I'm like, yeah, but I lovePittsburgh so much and I love
the Pirates For the Pirates.
Oh well, tough season.
I'm like, yeah, but I lovePittsburgh so much and I love
the Pirates and like this is thestuff as a fan, but as a person
like I want to be a part of I'mnot afraid to like.

(01:23:53):
You know, when they always tellyou when you're about to commit
to like a school or somethinglike that they're like well, you
can be a big fish in a smallpond or a small fish in a big
pond, and and there's somethingso much more rewarding about
building something than beingthere when it's already built
100%.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
Who does that sound like?

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
100%.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
Greg Brown, the wisdom coming from both ways.
Praise to McGuire.
I learned from the best.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
The team that felt that way.
But you said the Pirates feltthey weren't going to win when
they walked into Dodgers.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Stadium, I would say an 11, and 12, and 13.
When Hanren came in, wecouldn't lose.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
No, there was a team that felt that way when they
came to Pittsburgh PNC ParkOctober 1, 2013.
The Reds said it.
They said we had no chance.
That blackout game the wildcard game and analytically we
probably didn't.
The Pirates, you mean againstthe Dodgers.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Yeah, like Cueto owned us at PNC Park.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Like he'd never been bad, yeah, and we got him, got
him yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
Got him.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
Anyway, it's.
But, like think about thedifference maker, right?
I mean, russ explained it,marlon Bird talked about it all
the time, the guys you were justtalking about.
There's a difference here, andthat's all I'm trying to say is

(01:25:11):
like what that takes, but likethink about what that would mean
.
I did a podcast with a baseballnut and I said, yes, what?
What do they need to do?
I said be creative, like becomplete.
Everything that everyone elseis doing, do what the dodgers
are doing, do that, do theopposite, because that's what
they're doing and they'rewinning.
They're winning on all facets.
And that's that's kind of thethought is like because I feel
like we deserve that well, thetime is is now as the pirates
are they're getting that's.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
That's my my hash t-shirts hashtag no excuses.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
I love that.
We love a hashtag 2025 hashtagno excuses, my dad's gonna want
one of those shirts he loves ithe loves a good quote, you know
that's it for his wrestlingteams.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
He always has a good quote on the shirt yeah how
about if you got the wrestlingteam to wear that?

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
We can, he'll wear them Hashtag, no excuses, we'll
get him to wear it, we'll postit and then walk the plank when
they lose.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Well, anyway on behalf of Oakley.
I know you've got to get backto Oakley.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
I do my little doggie .
I love her.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
Is she a good dog?
She's such a good dog.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
She'll be our have anxiety.
She's happy when I'm happy.
She wants to eat all the timebecause I'm hungry all the time
she's great, they're thegreatest gift on the planet.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
You promise to bring her to a pup night.
Yes, okay, 100% Okay.
She'll be so excited she mightgive you a hug.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Oh you're kidding you accept that?
Yeah, I'll put her in the boothwith you guys and she'll be
sitting there when you pull upyour dog poster.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
We did that once with Jim Tracy, the former pirate
manager.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
He brought his beagle in once for a pup night.
So yeah, do that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
It'll be fun to have Oakley in the booth.
She'll love it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Let me know when and I'll have Griff on the pre and
intimidated.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Oakley in the booth.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
We're going to take your booty.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
Yeah, there you go, we're pirates and the second
greatest podcast she's ever beena part of tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Hers was put in the beers with mirrors.
It's a hall of fame.
They retired it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
It can't be done again, hannah, thank you, thank
you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
It's been a blast.
They retired it.
Yes, that's right.
It can't be done again, hannah,thank you, thank you, thank you
guys.
It's been a blast.
She's amazing.
Thanks for teaching me how tosmoke a cigar.
She's amazing.
I love it, me and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Greg Brown are going to frequent some cigar bars.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
Good job, Hannah Mayers.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Thank you, go Bucs.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
Ooh, you.

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