The Mayor Speaks: Sean Casey on Baseball, Life, and Finding Joy in the Game

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"Is there any chance you might have polio?" That unforgettable question from Terry Francona to Sean Casey after getting thrown out twice in two days perfectly captures the essence of baseball culture—where humor transforms frustration and builds lasting relationships.

Sean "The Mayor" Casey joins us for a captivating conversation that feels like sitting in the dugout with one of baseball's most beloved personalities. With infectious enthusiasm and storytelling prowess, Casey shares remarkable moments from his 12-year MLB career and his successful transition to broadcasting. 

From growing up a Pirates fan to hitting the first home run at PNC Park (ironically as a Cincinnati Red), Casey's baseball journey has poetry written all over it. He remains the only player in MLB history to record the first hit in two different ballparks—Milwaukee's Miller Park and Pittsburgh's PNC Park—earning his bat a place in Cooperstown.

Casey offers fascinating insights into his brief but impactful experience as Yankees hitting coach in 2023, revealing why it might be "the hardest job in sports." His observations about the relationships between players, coaches, and managers illuminate how trust can transform careers. The way Jack McKeon's simple vote of confidence turned his rookie season around proves that sometimes leadership isn't about mechanical tweaks—it's about human connection.

What makes this conversation truly special is Casey's perspective on failure. "Failure is information," he says, "not an indication of worth." After 17 years at MLB Network—longer than his playing career—Casey's passion for baseball remains undimmed, reminding us why they call him "The Mayor" of the game.

Have you ever had a coach who transformed your confidence with just a few words? Share your story in the comments!

SERVANT LEADER (CASEY’S CLUBHOUSE)

Casey’s Clubhouse of the South Hills is rooted in baseball but offers much more, creating a welcoming space where individuals with disabilities can connect and grow. Through our programs, we provide inclusive opportunities that extend beyond the field, fostering relationships and building a stronger, more supportive community. Serving over 60 zip codes in Western PA, Casey’s Clubhouse strengthens connections between families, volunteers, and local organizations, offering a range of activities that encourage belonging and participation in the broader hometown environment.

https://www.caseysclubhouse.org/

MENTAL PERFORMANCE COACH (Break Through Pro)

Sean has been a long time mental and physical performance coach to coaches,  athletes, entertainers, and high achievers, using the tools he employed during his highly successful baseball career, giving them access to their superpowers within.

https://www.seancaseylive.com/breakthroughpro

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
welcome.
Another edition of hold mycutter and we are here a very
special guest, and you'llunderstand why we've gone for it
.
With the emerald is ourfeatured smoke, the emerald ruby
of an irishman on.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
yeah, the emerald, you gotta have the the Irishman
Burned by Rocky Patel.
We're here, just a few blocksdown from the place my fellow
Irishman.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
That's right, this guy used to call home PNC Park
for a brief time, butPittsburgh's been his longtime
home, the mayor, Sean Casey.
Sean, thanks so much.
What's the hat, by the way?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Oh, this is just a hat.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Hey, you know I'm so happy you asked Am I supposed to
be asking?
I really like that hat.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
I really like that hat as a matter of fact, I'll
tell you what it is.
It's a buddy of mine down init's Adam Dunn's agent.
A guy named Joe Brennan runs acompany named Truth Sports.
Okay.
So I guess, we'll give him ashout out.
Truth Sports, is it yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:01):
True Sports.
Thank you, send a hat please.
Pnc Park, mchenry Mac.
It was so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Every time I wear this hat, people are like dude
love that hat.
It's awesome, people love it.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
I couldn't tell if it was a T when they said you
always say it's just a hat.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, I'm like it's just a hat.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Oh, my gosh something , because people do love this
hat.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
We're talking about your podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
You do it every yeah, yeah, the mayor's office
podcast with sean casey everyday.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
You've been doing that for how?

Speaker 2 (01:29):
every day four, almost four years how many shows
episodes?
Almost 700 episodes.
Ask me how much money we'vemade how much money we're down
like 50 grand.
Hey, proud of you.
Got some money.
I can borrow shares.
I know you do it well.
Oh yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
He'll throw you a loan out there.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
You and McKenzie get together and give me some cash.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
That's good.
That's good, but hey, it's fun.
It's fun, dude, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
I actually do enjoy doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
You can tell Honestly you can tell Thanks, I always
get it on my.
You bring back a lot of what Ihad and I think you had, because
I looked up to guys like you,because I'm just sitting here
listening like oh, it's in theclubhouse.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, did you bring back that clubhouse film?
Yeah, so you want to bring backthat.
You know you get with the guyswhen you're with the guys.
It's so good Especially.
You get the guys on yourpodcast and you can kind of go
back in the clubhouse got thegood stories, stuff.

(02:30):
So, yeah, he stands up.
Yeah, I'm worried about thissituation here.
Yeah, you got two guys thatcould knock everything, yeah, in
20 minutes back and I'll bestanding.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
You'll be, yeah, yeah what did you do when you were
hitting coach?
You couldn't have done the showyeah, we took two months I was
the only time we took two and ahalf months off.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
I want to get into the yankees.
Yeah, big time, because, yeah,when I was with the Yankees,
yeah, I want to get into thatbig time because that was cool,
yeah, when I was with theYankees, that was awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
And also, too, when you're in New York.
Everything's so magnified soyou don't want to say something
so small on a podcast that justwhoo.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
They run with it.
Yeah, yeah, I wasn't going ahitting coach for the Yankees.
Did you ever think you'd be ahitting coach?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
You know what I did think at some point and it just
was the perfect opportunity.
I mean, I've been asked by alot of people over the years to
be the hitting coach for somedifferent teams, but just you
know the grind of the year, youknow, with having four kids and
they were little, a lot of themwere little at the time that I
was asked.
I just enjoy being home toomuch.

(03:23):
I enjoy my job at MLB Network.
It gives me flexibility.
So when Aaron Boone asked melast year 2023, it was for the
second half of the year theywere firing their hitting coach
and he brought me in to kind ofhelp the guys out and help the
staff out, and help him out in asituation they were just in it

(03:45):
was one of the greatest two andhelp him out in a situation they
were just in and it was one ofthe greatest two and a half
months of my life.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
It really was?
Was it like what you thought itwould be, or was it more of a
grind?
Because they say it's thehardest job in sports.
It's like the hitting coach ofa major league baseball.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
I actually think that's true.
I actually think that's true,there's no win, there's win,
there's no win, yeah, no win.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
And I think one thing about being the hitting coach
you know you guys can chime intoo is that, like you know, you
got all those hitters and youknow if you're, if you're into,
obviously, if you're into beingthe hitting coach and you're,
you're into your guys and youwant them to do well and at any
point, hitting is so hard.
You you never have nine guyshot at the same time.
You got four hot, five aren't,and then you're insomniac about

(04:22):
how do I get this guy unlocked.
Then those four get hot, theother five get cold.
You're like this is incredible,you know what I mean.
So you almost feel like you'reBipolar.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, yeah, I'm excited.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
You have a guy that just came up to the big leagues.
Four for four, Everything wentwell.
There's some dude that went, ohfor four, four k's and hasn't
gotten hit in two weeks.
Yeah, and you can't sleep youknow it's crazy, it's true I
have.
Yeah, I was wondering becauseyour personality, like I, would
love to have a hitting coachlike you.
Yeah, because, I feel like I'minvincible.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, you are all over that baby.
You almost got it.
You're the greatest fander outthere.
You're gonna get it goingbecause going.
I guarantee you, that's what hedid.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
First time I met him.
He's in Bones' office.
We called it the therapysession.
He'd be over there and you'dhear him.
And I never took up much time,because you're always pouring
into somebody which I love and Irespect and I try to do that
because I've seen that with menand you've changed people's
lives, I'm sure.

(05:28):
But you stopped.
You go back and you tell youthere was something I did and
you gave me a compliment and Iwas like I love that guy.
I walked away.
I was like all right, let's goPut me in today, put me in.
I was ready.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
But it means a lot.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Like I knew who you were.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Oh, thank you, brother.
I appreciate that.
I knew who you were too.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
I know you literally watched the game and gave me a
compliment on something that alot of people didn't notice yeah
, yeah you know players thatgrind and work hard.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, they know the guys that grind and work hard
yeah, you know, and for me, uh,I think the one big thing is
like this game it'll, it'll takeyour soul, you know I mean,
it's so hard and and it sonegative.
And so I just always felt likeyou know anything I could throw
out there that makes a guy feellike you know, let's go, even as
a player.
You know always looking to findguys to pick up and you know,

(06:13):
you know cause you just got tokeep charging.
It's a.
It's a.
It's a game of a game offailure.
162,.
You better be a hundred percentall in and you better be able
to impact certain guys.
I came up and I remember a guylike Greg Vaughn and Barry
Larkin were guys like that forme.
That pushed me.
Jim told me when I first cameup I just always thought to
myself that's who I want to be.

(06:34):
I want to be the guy that'smaking people feel like they can
go run through a wall.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, but you're different.
You're a unique cat, but youare.
You're a unique cat.
She's amazing, but you are.
You've got this infectiouspersonality.
It's just one of those.
We talked on one of our showswith someone recently about Buck
O'Neill.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, Buck O'Neill.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
And Buck O'Neill was one yeah.
Buck was great, okay, I meanwhen you walked out, Chuck
Tanner, when you walked out ofthe room with one of those guys
and you're like daggone I'mhaving a great day.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Is that, maka?
I feel good Might have been.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
But Sean.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Casey is one of those guys.
100%.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Every day is a great day.
You're great.
There's nothing, I don't care.
Podcast costing 50 grand, we'llmake it back one day.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
It doesn't matter.
Yeah, yeah, but to be honest,like I mean, it is such a joy to
do it, cause like being able tospend time with who I really
respect, and Greg being on thisside and being able to sit next
to you.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
It's awesome it is.
It's so fun.
I love it.
I love it, mac, it's great.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
And dude different.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
I just saw you the other day at Clemente Museum.
I know it's such it is.
He's like one of those guys,you can see him in an hour.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
I haven't seen him.
He's like a puppy dog.
You leave, you know.
You leave, you come backJumping on you.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
I just left to go outside and get the mail.
That's Sean Casey.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Sean, I just saw you.
Yeah, you guys jumped on eachother.
The restroom.
I come back.
He's hugging me hey.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Brownie, but so were your parents like that.
Yeah, you know what Infectiouspersonality you know?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
I'm probably a mix of my mom and dad.
You know my dad's got a bigpersonality, you know, just a
really good guy and my mom islike my mom literally has the
gift of gab.
Oh, so good.
But like you know not, she'sone of those people you could
spend two hours with Joan Caseyand be like what an incredible
conversation.
Like what did we talk about?
I'm not sure, but she can leada conversation.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
I look back.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
I look you know where'd you get it from.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Like my mom I was in.
Everyone loves my mom and mymom's such a great friend to her
friends and her family.
You know she's the secondoldest of eight, all her
siblings oh my gosh alwayscalling her to talk and she just
she's the best.
So, like, I've always given mydad a lot of credit for things,
but my mom is probably thereason why that I, you know,
probably nicknamed the mayorbecause you know, you know
always talking to people, but Ialways feel like it's a good

(08:57):
conversation.
Nothing worse than we get theguy that's talking.
He's like okay, this guy'sreally annoying.
Yeah, I always feel like, feellike I got a high EQ where I'm
like all right, this is a goodconversation, let's keep it
going, let's keep it going.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
She's the second of eight.
Is she a Pittsburgh?

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, no, no.
Both my parents are from LongIsland, new York.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
You were born in Jersey, weren't?

Speaker 2 (09:15):
you.
I was born in Jersey.
I was there for five years.
Yeah Moved.
What brought them here?
My dad got a job with MoBayChemical.
Remember MoBay?

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Chemical yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
MoBay Chemical.
My mom's like.
My dad's like, hey, I'm goingto climb the corporate ladder,
we're moving to Pittsburgh.
My mom's like what she's likewe have all family relatives are
in Long Island in New Jersey.
My dad's like I'm going toPittsburgh, you know, and my
mom's like this is incredible, Idon't think my mom months.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
She didn't have the gift again.
That's the only time she shutdown was for those six months.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
She was not happy but it was the.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
It turned out to be the biggest blessing of our life
.
The greatest thing ever was thefact that we moved.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
So that's the thing you move into Pittsburgh, dad.
Thanks for that.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Oh yeah, we're like you know, my dad made a promise
cause we were all upset.
You know, upset I was.
My sister was seven.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
You're just mad.
You couldn't play with yourfriend across the street.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I remember the kid's name.
His name was Spider Leghorn.
No way, I'm like what aboutSpider Leghorn?
He's got all the Star Warsfigures.
What are?

Speaker 1 (10:10):
we going to do Spider Leghorn?
I think it was.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Spider Leglord was his name.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Leglord, it could be right.
That's great.
So he's in the lead, like thishe did like Darth Vader in those
Star Wars figures.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
But I remember coming and I remember my dad saying in
the car we'll never move again.
We'll never move again.
This is the last time and wenever did.
My parents are still in thesame house in Upper St Clair
that they were in when we movedhere in 1980.
So great 1980, yeah, incredible, and I remember like oh, I got
a quick story for you.
No, there's nothing quick.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
As you know, as a podcaster, there's nothing quick
, that's right.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
That's why he's the mayor.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, so you know you get to Pittsburgh and I
remember I was just a big cardcollector back then.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
So we came in 80.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
The 79 buckles we were paying was still a big deal
.
It's just the beginning of the80 season.
Yeah, so you know I lovedbaseball at the time.
I'd get all the cards and soremember, like Dave Parker and
you know, going back, grantJackson was one of my best
friends growing up, which iscrazy.
I got some great stories there.
No way, and yeah, I'd come downlike Grant Jackson, like in
sixth grade.
His dad was Buck, was thepitching coach for the Buccos.

(11:19):
I he goes, I'm here in sixthgrade, I'm in the.
I'm one of the kids with GrantJackson Jr hitting in the cages
during the game Get out.
Yeah, it's incredible, and Itried to steal all the balls.
I'm like look at all theseballs, you're in the cage,
you're in the cage.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yes, have you ever stayed in the cage 86.
Like 1986.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Nuts, I was in the cage in three.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
They're not as good as they are now.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Touché.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Touché so those old ballparks.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
They were just old netting.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
They nailed them to the walls, but there's no way
any of them passed inspection.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
There's like a fire line there Over here there's
like an electrical box.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
It's just like what's happening, Dude?

Speaker 2 (11:57):
nobody cared back then.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Three.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Rivers was about to fall down.
But I remember Dave Parker.
I love Dave Parker, the Cobra,and so glad he's getting in
Cooperstown.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
So deserving Yep, um.
But I love the buckos and Iremember in third grade they're
like Dave Parker is coming toJohnston elementary school and
I'm like let's go, like it's theday I've been waiting for.
You gotta be kidding me.
I'm so fired up so we get tothe.
You know, get to the assembly.

(12:26):
We're packed house.
You know, third grade, andthey're like, ladies and
gentlemen, let's give it up forand they don't announce it as
like Pirates, all-star, theCobra, they don't say that I
know yes so they're like let'sgive it up for Dave Parker.
And out comes this 5'8 white guy.
I'm like that's not Dave Parkerand out comes this 5'8 white
guy.
I'm like that's not Dave Parker, that's not the Dave Parker.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
I know, wait a minute , it was a different guy named
Dave Parker.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
He was going to teach us how to hold a pencil.
No, yeah, and I still rememberthe song Finger on the paint
thumb on the side, three fingersin the back, trying to hide,
don't pinch.
I'm like this guy is a fraud.
When you're in third grade, doyou think there's only one, dave
Parker, in the world?
He plays right field for theBuccos, not some guy that came
out to teach me how to hold mypencil.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
We've gone from Hold my Cutter to Hold my Pencil.
Podcast.
Wait a second.
You mean to tell me there wasreally a guy named Dave Parker?
You can't be that out of touch.
Come on man.
What a terrible introduction itwas so bad?

Speaker 2 (13:26):
It was no.
What I'm saying is it hurt mychildhood.
I understand it hurt mychildhood.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, I would have never used a pencil again.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Ever.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
I still revolt, I still hold my I hold it like
this Because I'm like I ain'tdoing this, I'm not doing the
Hold it on the left.
Don't use three fingers.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, you had to learn it too, because that was
giving you a trauma.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
I'm coming off his Dave Parker's words.
That is an unbelievable storyIn third grade too.
So did you ever get a chance totell Parker that story?

Speaker 2 (13:57):
You know what?
I don't think I ever toldParker that story.
That's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
I've had some great times with Dave.
What if he played the fast one?
What if he played the fast one?
What?

Speaker 1 (14:06):
if he's the guy that played the fast one yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
He's in the back like are you going to ever say
anything?

Speaker 2 (14:10):
The one thing about Parker was Dave came into, I got
a chance to see Parker becausehe lived in Cincinnati, so I'd
run into him a couple times, itwas so good.
Then the Reds Hall of Fame.
We'd run into each other atthose events, which is really
cool.
And you know one thing aboutParker I got a chance when I
first was at the MLB Network.
He came in and we got a chance.
I got a chance to talk hittingwith him and he was like me and

(14:31):
you know I was talking about Pop, stargell Pops, and I used to
use 37, 38s 37, 38s Are you?
kidding me, Gosh man, I meanguys are using that on 33 and a
half, I use something like thatto clean my windows.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Matt, can you imagine trying to get that through the
zone 37, 38 and buggy whippingsome stuff?

Speaker 3 (14:52):
No, I can't believe it.
Did you?
Obviously you held it.
Did you ever hold one?
Was it thick handle?

Speaker 2 (15:00):
too yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
That's not fair.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Way thicker handles than we used.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
You two yeah that's not way thicker handles than we
used, yeah you know, when you'relike, yeah, yeah, one bat for
his whole career, yeah, yeahhe's like that's a paul bunyan.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
That's not credible, credible so you get a chance to
talk hitting with parker, whichis incredible you know what one
of the coolest things about thejob at mlb network and I've been
there 17 years you believe thatthat's incredible I play I've
been there five years longerthan I've played the big leagues
what?
Yeah, that is wild.
So some of the conversationsI've had on hitting, you know,
when you think about Dave Parker, you know Mike Schmidt, you

(15:32):
know just, I mean down the linesof Hank Aaron.
You know down the lines oftalking to these guys, hitting
with these guys, but it sticksout because I love talking to
him.
You know we love we talking tohim.
You know we love we get started.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
We can talk all day long.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, and like when you get a guy like that, then
you'd hear he's all good.
Then he starts telling youabout pop star Joel and all that
stuff.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, it's just incredible no-transcript.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Did they come to college?
No, 2008.
I was with the Red Sox.
I knew I was retiring because Iwas off the bench.
I was kind of ready to be done.
It was game five.
We're playing the Rays atFenway and Harold Reynolds is
doing the game for TBS.
He comes down on the field.
He's 8Ks.
He comes out.
I'm in my hitting group.
I come out and he's like what'sgoing on?

(16:16):
You know what's going on.
I said hey, man, how Harold,how have you enjoyed being a
studio analyst?
And he's like oh, I love it,man, I love it.
And I was like, oh, it's cool.
He's like why?
He's like are you thinkingabout retiring?
I was like I go, I am retiringbecause I'm, you know, just
ready to kind of be done.
I was coming off the bench formy first, the first year.
And he's like hey, you would begreat on the network.

(16:42):
Mlb network is launching injanuary.
You hadn't launched yet andwe'll be like they just hired
harold's, like they just hiredme, you'd be great on it.
And so a couple days later,tony patiti called me.
I went up, auditioned and theyhired me that day and I've been
there for 17 years wow,incredible.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
One of the ogs on that network how often do you
have to?

Speaker 2 (16:58):
go to New York I do like 60 days a year.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
The greatest gig ever .
That's great.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Over 12 months.
It's the greatest gig ever andyou get paid to talk Like you
guys.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
You guys get paid to talk, but you also do some color
.
You did for a while.
Yeah, I do some color.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
I've done some color for the Reds.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
And yeah, Reds and I've done some Fox games.
What do you like best?

Speaker 2 (17:22):
I love the studio work.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
You do.
I love breaking down like.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
McKenna, it's also too.
It's like March Madness we goin and out every game.
So you're like, if you're onthere for three hours, say, the
game starts 7 to 10 or 8 to 11,you're bouncing all kinds of
games and stuff.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
It's exciting.
Yeah, it's exciting.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah, it's really exciting.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
It's a lot of fun.
And I want to go back to whenyou retired, cause I love
hearing guys stories.
You're hitting that Well.
Yeah, of course everybody fromnow says what's he?

Speaker 1 (17:49):
doing Right, right right.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
You do know?
Yeah, I knew, and also too.
Like well, first off, when Iwent into Boston, I was a career
301 hitter at the time,starting my whole career.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
I was going into Boston as a guy off the bench.
Now the average is like 235.
Bro, can you imagine?
Can you imagine?
It makes me better every year,though.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Every year I get a little bit better, right, right.
Yeah, keep going boy, Get alittle bit better.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
That OPS helped me out right there, baby yeah the
batting is just going like thisin major league baseball, but I
was hitting 301 going into thatyear and I'm thinking to myself,
if I come off the bench and hit220 and I'm a 299 career.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
I might kill somebody .
I might kill somebody.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
So one year off the bench.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, it was the only year.
My last year in Boston was myonly year.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
That's the next question, but I won't talk at
all, my only year off the benchand I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
but I did get a lot of the bats because Euclid's got
hurt a little bit, mike Lowellgot hurt a little bit so I ate
him, getting like yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
exactly so it was like I justknew before this.
But I knew during the season andcoming into the year I was like

(19:07):
I'm gonna do one more year.
This is, this, is it, and, uh,and I'm so freaking grateful.
I was just talking to a guyrecently, uh, who was asking me
some questions about that.
I just said I really feel likethe luckiest man on the face of
the earth.
I mean, I got a chance to comeup with the Cleveland Indians
the Guardians, but they'reIndians, played eight years with
the Reds and was fortunate toget into their Hall of Fame,

(19:30):
with all the history they havewith Bench and Rose and Perez
and Joe Morgan all those guys.
I mean the fact that I playedeight years there was incredible
.
I get traded to the Pirates,which is like when I grew up.
That's the only place I wantedto play.
I thought the Pirates were theonly team in the big league.
It's like, you know, I justwant to play for the Pirates and
that's it.
You know what I mean.
So to play for the Pirates in06 was incredible.

(19:51):
Then I get traded to the Tigers, which I got Leland Lamont, you
know.
Raphael Belliard, don Slott wasmy hitting coach, lloyd
McClendon was the bullpen coach,andy Van Slakes, my freaking
first pitch.
I'm like these guys have noidea how excited.
I am.
And then my last year I get toplay in Boston.

(20:13):
And you know, mac, when you'rein the big leagues, you want to
play in Boston.
You want to have.
One year I got a chance to playin Boston when it was Big Poppy
and Manny and they had justcome off a World Series title,
and it was incredible.
So, like I am just, and thenfrom that year on 2009 to now,
I've been at the network, soit's just been incredible.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Well, okay, but you're see, he's also, in
addition to everything else,he's incredibly humble.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
But he's not answering the question.
You're a bench player one year,yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Most of the time it takes a long time you hit 320.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
How, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Tell me the approach my man.
It's unbelievable.
That guy could hit.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
That monster was my friend that monster was my
friend, I just was peppering it,although I did get thrown.
Monster was my friend, I justwas peppering it.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, although I did get thrown, I got a great story.
Oh yeah, that's a good story.
I hit a ball.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I hit a ball, we're in ball.
We're against playing againstBaltimore.
I just come off the DL Strainedhip flexor and it wasn't really
healthy.
But I'm like I'm coming backbecause I'm not sitting the DL.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
I'm going to play.
That's the advantage of being aveteran somewhere is like you
know yourself.
Yeah, you're there, I'm good,leave me alone, I'm good, I'm
good.
Yeah, yeah, that's awesome thisis fine.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
So I was peppering that wall and so this one game
against Baltimore.
Just come off the hip flexor DL, I hit a ball off the monster.
It's like I can't remember whatthey they call like the, like
the ghost out there, the ghostfield.
You don't see, he just throwsthe ball in, you're like wait,
the ball, the ball so I rememberI hit the ball at the box.

(21:46):
So I'm running to second baseand I'm like right, when I get
halfway there I'm like, oh myGod, I'm going to be out there.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
So bam boom I'm not like 15 feet.
I'm coming on.
The fans are like you're slow,staying first.
I'm like I thought I had it.
I thought I had it, you know,so I came out of nowhere, it
just popped out.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
I was like my god second, like you don't realize
how close that thing is.
It's like 300 feet away.
It's like you're at like upperside, so so the ball comes in,
I'm out, so I'm like, oh youknow.
So next day comes up facing Ican't remember what we were
facing I get a fastball, I hit abullet to right center.
Now in Boston, dude, that's nota great, it's huge, it's huge.

(22:27):
Because, everyone's like whatabout pesky pull?
I'm like pesky pull is righthere, and then it jits out to
280.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
It.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
So I crushed one in the gap and I'm like that's gone
right.
So a lot of my balls.
I hit on lines.
It was a street and liner.
I'm rounding first and I'm like, oh, I got this one.
So a little bit of a pimp job,a little bit of a torn hip
flexor and a lot of being slow,so it was like all three of that
combination did not fare well,so I hit a ball.

(22:56):
This is right, center.
It hits the low wall there offthe top of the wall.
Now I'm rounding first becauseI'm like at least I have a
double and every part of you isgoing.
Every part of me did thatlittle pimp dude, then I'm like
I gotta get going.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
I gotta go.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
So now I got.
So nick marcakis is playingright field.
He's a rookie at the time, ohno he barehand, the ball
ricochets off, marcakisbarehands it, and now I'm like
we got a situation because Ican't turn back right, because
I'm already committed and I'llprobably blow up both hip
flexors if I stop turn back so Ijust like bad running technique

(23:30):
.
Like I'm ice skating, quick sandjust across the body.
Come flying, I come flying, I'mout by like legit 10 feet.
The place is booing me out.
Did you get a good slide in?
That was like a bad slide likeI wish it was basically.
So I'm out and that's two daysin a row.
Two days in a row so off themonster, then off right field, I
go in the dugout.
I'm sitting down, you know,obviously no, tito's one of the

(23:50):
greatest now.
So terry francona, big char andlevi garrett maybe a little
clue in there with some gum.
He's as unhealthy as six bloodclots in his legs.
This guy's unhealthy as can be.
You know.
He looks over at me and he'slike Case, you know, and I'm I
mean, I actually am mad atmyself.
Now I'm in the dugout, I'm likedang, this is ridiculous,

(24:10):
you've got to stay in first.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
I mean, that's a lot of yard work.
Brownie and Tito looks over atme.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Hey Case, can I talk to you real quick?
I was like what's this assholewant to talk about?
So I go over like yeah, what'sup?
What's up, tito?
He goes.
Hey listen, have you been tothe doctor recently and I go?
No, why he goes?
Is there any chance you youmight have polio?

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Have you ever gone back and looked?

Speaker 2 (24:43):
That's a great question.
I mean I'm starting to think Imight.
I gotta go back to the Dr A'shouse.
Is there any chance you mighthave polio?

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Oh my gosh you had to just start laughing.
I start dying laughing.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
That's real feel for a manager though, oh my gosh.
That's good, because you're madat yourself, probably the first
time in your career.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Oh, I was mad at myself a lot.
I was a closet snapper.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
I was a closet snapper.
That's Leland-like, that's okay.
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Oh no, that line drive to left.
Yeah, that was just, you werewith the.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Tigers.
I was with the Tigers, yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
I was with the Tigers .
That's a big ballpark too.
Oh, that was a huge ballpark.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, the line drive to left.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
That was the only 5-6-3.
5-7-3.
It hit Creedy's glove, bouncedto the left fielder and then
they threw me out about polio atthat point, which was
incredible.
But you know what's funny?
Oh man, the great managers havea way to keep it funny, like
Leland was so good at that.
He was so good at like keepingthe humor there.

(25:48):
Tito was so good at that.
Kevin Cash is good at that.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Is he yeah?
You know, there's just guysthat there's something about
them.
They got the it factor.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, yeah yeah, they control a room.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
They feel it, they control a room, they know yeah,
exactly, they've been there.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Everybody feels seen.
Everybody feels seen, yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Whether you're doing bad, good, it doesn't matter.
It's like they know when to goin yeah.
Leland going after Bond is oneof my favorites.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, and Leland told me he
said that he goes.
I love going after them and Isaw it.
I did see it a couple times inDetroit.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
That's like being in the yard in prison.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
That's like being in the yard in prison, right, yeah,
yeah, you got the big bopperright here.
You got the guy that's on thefield every day right, it's a
star.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, who's going to go, who's going to go, who's
going to?
Those are a couple of memorablemoments, but what seriously is
your?

Speaker 3 (26:39):
finest.
So, did you get tested forpolio though?
Yeah, yeah that's true?

Speaker 2 (26:42):
No, because my career I was last year in my career it
didn't matter.
It didn't matter.
I can't even think of polio.
I can live with polio.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
But what about your finest moment?

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Oh wow, you know I have a couple of finest moments.
And I think it's worth kind oflooking at.
But one of my finest momentswas when I hit the first hit and
home run of PNC park.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah, as a Cincinnati red, you didn't feel bad doing
that.
No, we, we, we were so angry.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
I know you were, I know you were, but I liked it
All the years of going to threeverse stadium with my friends
and with my dad, you, to have aday game season ticket pass, the
only only we could afford theday game season ticket package
on the third base side so theycould watch the lefties hit.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Oh, wow, yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Bonilla and Van Slyke and those guys cool, Spanky was
cool.
So you know, I think for melike I've had that day circled
Um, just I just want anopportunity to get the first hit
.
Really not, I didn't know I wasgonna homer, but you know that
day I was hitting fourth bobboone.
I come in the lineup.
Usually I hit third.
I'm like I'm hit fourth I waslike I don't want to.
Usually you're hitting usuallywas hitting third and it was

(27:46):
like, for whatever reason, itwas like larkin, michael tucker,
dimitri and then dimitri young,and then I was hitting fourth.
And I remember coming into thatgame on a little side note of
baseball trivia the seriesbefore at Miller Park I got the
first hit ever at Miller Park.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
I remember that.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah.
So it was like so, here I wascoming to PNC, like hey, I just
got the first hit ever at MillerPark.
Might as well, do it here.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
How cool is that?
It was so cool.
Two ballparks, it was so cool.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Cooperstown took my bat.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Incredible.
I that Dang it, only playerever to do that.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, only player ever to open two parks with a
hit.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
That's why baseball is so romantic.
Yeah, because of that stuff.
There's so many little thingslike that.
Like who would have thought younever could have drawn that out
?

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Never, ever, ever.
So we're facing Todd Ritchiethat day.
He gets Larkin and Tucker out.
I'm on deck.
He gets Todd Ritchie.
Todd Ritchie gets, uh, demetrion 0-2 and I'm like, oh my god,
I'm not gonna get up.
And then the Pirates gonna getup, someone's gonna get first
hit.
And then Todd Richie comes inwith a cutter to Demetri and it
hits him.
I'm like, well, here we go,demetri's on first.

(28:46):
I'm like at least I got a shotto get the first hit.
I just wanted a shot and Ithink I got a 1-1 cutter from
Todd Richie that stayed up and Ijust covered it and freaking
off my bat.
You know, when you hit one good, I was running to first.
I'm like that's gone, holy cow,that's gone.
And I had left 70 tickets forthe game.
So many people you know, mybuddy, tim McGarvey, his whole

(29:10):
family, my dad, my hitting coach, frank Porco, so many wonderful
people, my parents, it's yourhome.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
It was my home.
It's where I grew up.
I'm a pittsburgh man, I'm, youknow and so like I'd sit here,
yeah and pop starge will pass inthat morning yeah, it just was
a very emotional day and what's.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, he passed away that morning, yeah, that morning
.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
And what was funny was, you know, no one nobody on
the reds knew.
They knew I was from pittsburgh, but you know what I?

Speaker 1 (29:35):
mean yeah, I know it's way different it's
something about.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
yep, they look at you like you're crazy because I
call myself a yalzer.
Now, yeah, yeah, in Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yalzer, you combined it.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah, we did.
It's a special place.
No, it's a special place.
Hearing it, I'm thinking aboutthe emotion, and how did you
even handle?

Speaker 2 (29:51):
that, yeah, dude was the center fielder, because the
ball ricocheted.
I hit it up right center, about10 rows back, and it ricocheted
onto the field.
Wow, and I literally was.
I think I yelled to AdrianBrown throw it in.
I have to have that ball Throwit in.
So I'm rounding the bases andhe throws it into the stands

(30:12):
right and I end up scoring.
I was so excited and remember Ithink landing for Terry's call
was like Pittsburgh's own SeanCasey Probably.
You know you probably didBrowning too.
You probably didn't know I wasfrom Pittsburgh?

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, probably not.
How about this?
A kid with polio hits a firsthome run.
It's a remarkable story, seanCasey.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, oh, my God, it was incredible.
So that's one of my mostincredible moments because just
because of I'd never know I'd beable to feel the emotions that
I felt that day.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Do you remember walking to?
Like?
You're on deck, he gets hit,goes to first base.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, are you trying to like soak?

Speaker 3 (30:51):
it in as you get there, because you're high
energy.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
right yeah, we're all three high energy.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
There's moments where you don't understand how
everything slows down.
Yeah, is that what?

Speaker 2 (30:57):
happened.
Yeah, I think I was such a bigprocess guy when I hit that I
was like, okay, he blacked out.
I got to just take a breath.
I got to slow down here.
I got to make sure I get intothis at bat.
I'm going to hunt a fastball,I'm going to push him out.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah and he put it right out where I was kind of
looking for it.
So like that's end up.
You know, mac, that's howyou're successful in this game.
If you let any moment get intothat that box, you're done.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
You know you've got to be able to slow things down.
I caught Todd Ritchie you knowway down the line.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, yeah, he'd leave it and I'd be like oh no,
oh, it's not cut, it's cut rightaway.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
You couldn't see that cut very well Like and, but
they would go.
No slow down.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, I was like, oh yeah, I was like, oh, that music
started playing.
You know, and I think that theother, the other moment for me
was when I was with Leland andthose guys in Detroit, you know,
when I homered in the world, Ihomered in game four of the
world series and and I rememberrounding the bases and it
literally was like a whiffleball, backyard whiffle ball
moment where you're, like, youknow, mike McCantry, homers, but

(32:02):
you're by yourself, homers inthe World Series.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Sean.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Casey homers.
I remember rounding the basesin St Louis.
That was playing in your headit was just like a yeah, it was
like I felt 12.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
I felt like a dreamer in the dream.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah right.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Like I couldn't believe it.
I was rounding bands.
I just homered in the realworld scene.
You got to do it.
Yeah, and Jim Leland's mymanager.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Yeah, he said Pirates Fantasy Camp.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah that's what it was.
I didn't even put that togetherwhen you started naming the
names.
I'm like holy shnikes.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Before game two You're a fairy tale.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Oh, it's a total fairy tale You're not the he's
Tinkerbell.
Yeah, he's Tinkerbell, he'sTinkerbell, he's Tinkerbell.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Easy.
We got rained out after gametwo.
Game three was rained out in StLouis and Andy Van Slyke got me
and Donnie Slott got me, solocked in A couple weeks before
the season ended, van Slyke wasthrowing me BP in the cages as

(32:58):
hard as he could throw and hehad a cannon, so he was throwing
like a hundred, seriously, yeah.
And then, and the drill was, youknow, yes, yes, yes, till your
eyes, tell you no, yes, yes, yes, you're swinging till your eyes
, tell you no.
And he caught me, locked in I'dface, like granky was throwing
like 97, 98 the end of the year,zach cranky.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
I was like that looks like nothing compared to any
man's like bp under the tunnelright it was, it was incredible
and I remember that we rainedout the dim tunnel.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
The dim tunnel.
Yeah, game three.
Before game three, it wasrained out.
So I stayed with Andy in theclubhouse Everyone.
The bus went back and I waslike Andy, can you throw me some
?
I want to stay locked in.
So we're hitting in the cagesjust me and Andy and Donnie.
And I remember stopping.
It's my ninth year in the bigleagues.
I, I remember stopping.
It's my ninth year in the bigleagues.

(33:39):
I stopped Andy for a second andI said hey, can I tell you
something?
No-transcript.
And I said I'm having a momentright now and I can't believe
I'm getting ready for game threeof the World Series in the big
leagues.
You don't know this, but you'reone of my idols and you are

(33:59):
getting me locked in andthrowing me BP to get me ready.
I just had to stop and say thatto you.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
That's crazy.
That was going to be myquestion, because I don't
believe you could have swung andmissed every time.
Yeah, that was going to be myquestion, because I don't
believe you could have swung andmissed every time.
And that moment was probably sobig for you because I was just
thinking, like Indy Van Sleckthrew him BP.
They wouldn't let a guy getbehind the screen.
Now, this guy is like one ofthe best players in baseball.
You're going up and he throwsyou BP.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
He's trying to get me ready.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
And he would have thrown forever.
He took his shirt off too.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
He's the man.
He's trying to get me ready.
He's like Unbelievable and hewould have thrown forever.
Think about the power of that.
He took his shirt off too.
He's so jacked.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
I'm like Andy, why are you so better?
Why are you the most jacked guyon the team?
He always did that.
As long as he could take thatshirt off, whatever he could.
That brings him up even higher.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Oh man, you can't.
That's amazing man, thosemoments were incredible.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
That's what.
I miss about the game so much,yeah.
And being the hitting coachlike you don't I know you don't
see that yeah, and that'sprobably the hardest part,
because like, yeah, like that,it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy, man, it's crazy, it's
crazy.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
But, like, those are the teams that win, like, I
think, hitting coaches I'm goingto go back to that for just a
second.
It's like you, you would be thebest hitting coach in my mind,
cause your personality just fits, cause you make me want to run
through a wall but, like,correct me if I'm wrong and I
know you're going to say it'sright those guys are always the
hitting coaches.
If you can get everybody to takeownership of who they are, they

(35:34):
have a role and they have aplace, that team just takes over
and you're sitting back fillingin the gap, because then you
don't have nine guys, you justhave one.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
You just have two because Andy's like come here.
Ron's grabbing it.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
You're doing it and you're like watching it unfold,
like whoa, yeah, this is cool.
That's my favorite part aboutbeing an analyst.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
So much you can see.
It's like, well, if this startsto go, what's going to happen?
Oh, this is happening, and it'sneat to see how personalities
start to match yeah.
And then you get that theculture changes.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
No, it's great stars.
You talk about bonds, van syken, those guys like a guy like
aaron judge man, like you know,you talk people, people ask
about what does he do so well?
What does he do so well?
The fundamentals.
This guy hits off the t twice aday.
He comes in at four, hits offthe t, comes in at 6, 30 hits
off the t.
He goes you know like and andand.
Then all of a sudden you knowyou start watching him work and
then you then then volpe startsworking that way, and different

(36:26):
guys.
So when you're the hittingcoach sometimes you're like, hey
, watch how he does, watch hisBP.
Aaron Judge doesn't pull a ballon BP until like the last round
.
You know what I mean.
He's right center, right center.
There's a reason.
Then you see some of theseyoung kids come in pulling
everything in the air and I'mlike, hey, I just want to let
you know, if you keep doing thatyou're going to be out of here.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, yeah, it's going to go right into your back
Just watch Aaron judge.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, watch what he does.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Success leaves clues and do what he does, and the
best part is he's hitting off atee.
Exactly so that you take theginormous six, eight, right,
right, Right.
Two 80 and the shred and it'saway.
He's creating everythinghimself.
Yeah 9,000 feet, which he does.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Everything's off the tee.
Yeah, that's amazing, with apurpose, you know.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
But okay, is it hard?
Maybe not for you, becauseyou're different, as they say,
you're a different cat.
He's a different breed For aguy.
I mean a Reds Hall of Famer, alegit Reds Hall of Famer.
We talked about an OPS career814.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Say it again Brian, A couple of 99 RBI years.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Couldn't I get that one more RBI?
I know I was thinking aboutthat, you know, at some point
they should just go back likeone more I can find one.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
I only swung at one 3-0 pitch my whole career.
That's ridiculous too.
I wish I would have Now.
I wish I would have swung atmore 3-0 pitch because I always
felt like 3-0.
You got to come back to me 3-1.
So, and the only 3-0 pitch Iever swung was in 2004's at 99
ribbies.
We're playing the Pirates withlike 3 or 4 games ago Mike
Gonzalez comes in.
I hadn't had guys on base likein 10 days the lefty closer

(38:04):
because Ryan Friel had gottenhurt.
yeah, the lefty closer, gonzo,comes in to face me, gets me 3-0
, and I took a rip.
It was at my face, I took a rip.
It was the only 3-0 pitch Iever swung because I was like I
need one more RBI.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
I've never seen you see 3-0.
I was like I don't think I everhad.
I didn't realize I hadn't swung3-0 until I got to the network.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
That's unbelievable.
That was you.
3-1?
You did, I was so pissed.
Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
I had 99 ribbies there with 11 games to go and I
couldn't, so I got you'llappreciate this.
That's terrible, I got no onein scoring position.
The only time I had runners inscoring position was that day,
so then I started trying to hithomers, and my swing went in the
tank.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
So I was like, all right, I'll do it myself.
Oh, yeah, that doesn't work.
Okay, it's one RBI.
Yeah, I need one more.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
So 11 games a guy in scoring position once, and that
was when Gondo.
So in that respect, are RBIsoverrated, because that's what
they say these days.
No, no, that's so ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Thank you, I'm glad to hear you say that there's a
knack to it.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
There's a kn can do it Absolutely Like Leland.
I remember asking Leland whenit was Miguel Cabrera and Mike
Trout for the MVP and I was likeMike Trout's got all the sexy
numbers and he did.
But Miguel Cabrera won theTriple Crown and he had like 135
stakes and so I called Leland.
I'm like dude, what's theargument for Cabrera?
He goes.
What's the argument?
He goes Case.

(39:28):
When the media comes in afterthe game they say what happened
tonight, and when we win I sayhey, we got the big hit.
When we lose, I say we couldn'tget the big hit Miguel Cabrera
gets a lot of big hits and winsa lot of games for us.
That's why he's the MVP andthat's why not everyone can
drive.
I can't stand that.
When people say, oh, the RBI isa team stat, stop that.
You've never been in the box,you don't know what it's like

(39:50):
when the energy and adrenalinecomes up, and tell it there's a
skill to driving runs.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
And you want the.
You can feel it on your team.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
You know what it means for the RBI guys you want
them up there, the RBI guys,they're real Get me up.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
I want him up there now hey.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
I pinch hit a lot for a catcher.
I think I had like 70 or 80 atbats as a pinch hitter.
I hit 125.
Till this day because of beingreally good.
When I played as a big hit guy,people think I was a good pinch
hitter.
I was awful, right Like awful,but you got big hits but it
mattered because we were winning.
Right, I was getting hits whenwe were winning.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Right right right, and there's a.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
I didn't have the knack that you guys had, but
there was moments where itelevated what people saw because
it won the game and you'reexactly right.
That's all that matters andthat's what they remember.
Because you win three moregames, you're in the playoffs.
Right, right, three hits Right.
So, true, Anybody that saysthat like you can have a team
like the blue Jays.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah, they got a lot of guys.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yep, yep.
I didn't see them in theplayoffs.
Right, exactly Right, and it'sso dumb Like there's a person in
that box that's doing somethingthat you cannot calculate with
any computer Right?

Speaker 2 (41:01):
No analytic can do it .
What was it like now that I gotyou here?

Speaker 3 (41:04):
What was it like playing, so I had Clint in two
different places.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I saw two different people.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
So in Colorado he had , he had Helton, he had right.
It's always came in after Mattholiday, but he had holiday at
Brad hop Mike almost not theguys that were there in the
early nineties when it started,right, but like he had some of
the biggest bops of bangers,yeah, right, and a lot of
different personalities, butalmost a little bit psycho
personality.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like hell of a psycho.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
So I grew up, he was my idol.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
That's because.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Tennessee.
Yeah, I got called.
Here's your romantic story.
I got called up to the bigleagues, went to big league
spring training.
Where's my locker?
Oh, next to Helton, right nextto Helton.
He had like seven lockers Rightand forget.
He put his check.
My first big league check Iopened was Todd Helton's.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Really Unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
It was 400-something thousand dollars and I was like
now I'm going to have to openmine, like I lost the joy of
seeing $16,000 for the firsttime.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yeah, you're like oh, I was like it was motivating.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Those millions I got to get those.
I was like it was motivatingthose millions.
But he also like slid a picturebecause he had a million
dollars in his ranch house thathad been there for a year, oh my
god, that was the cool part forme because like he kind of
bullied me like a big brother.
That's cool, that was Romanromance free.
But I saw Clint trying tofigure out how to manage those
guys, right, and when he camehere he had a completely
different animal.
All those guys were young andnew and I thought that was
better for him, right, right.

(42:31):
But then when the AJ Burnett'sand guys came in, he had an idea
to just step back, right right,because he was always in.
And then he stepped back and Iwas like whoa, that was cool.
And now I'm close, talk to himtoday.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
And he's thriving more now than ever before.
He's a true just leader of men,yeah, and I thought that was
the gift he had.
And if he kind of found thatout like he does now, you should
hear some of the people inbaseball that I respect, like
Jerry Weinstein.
He's like Clint is like salt tothe earth, like he comes in and
he says what he means,ultimately prepared, and he's

(43:04):
not trying to over-talk, he justsits back, yeah, which he can
be intimidating.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's got a loud big present.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Big voice.
It's like he's read everyself-help book in the world.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Oh yeah, so he can kind of throw you off.
But yeah, two different guys in12 and 13, his field a step so
far back and let the guys go wasone of the reasons why we won,
because he let the players live.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
I think he did an incredible job when he was here.
Man, I really do.
It's not easy to win here inPittsburgh.
Completely different inColorado.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
He was hard, was he Right?
Like Jim Tracy was a veteranfirst guy.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, If you're a rookie.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
I didn't feel like I existed.
Yeah, yeah yeah, he was mymanager of the big leagues too.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Well, you played for Tracy, I played, you play for
Tracy.
I love Tracy, I do.
I love Tracy, but I understandwhat you're saying you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
There's no doubt it was no knock to him.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Everybody has a personality, like I didn't exist
.
I was in the porta potty inspring training, right, but
Hurdle there even would grabguys and you could see that he
wanted to kind of touch, yeah,but when he got herele he has a

(44:15):
presence and it's hard not towant to have that presence.
Yeah, yeah, it was fun to watchthat change.
That's awesome.
That was a great question.
I took it over because, no, Ilove he's done a lot of really
cool things for me off the field.
Yeah, and he called me when Iwas 21 years old.
Wife's dad passed away, wow.
And when you, and let me stayfor two weeks the rockies
organization in him.
And he called multiple timesthis is a big league manager,
wow, right.
And terry francona, when I gottraded, the pirates called me he

(44:38):
doesn't know this, but no othermanager when I got traded
called me when I was in theminor leagues or in the big
leagues, wow.
So think about that.
Like when you think about that,when I got designated here,
hurdle called me neil didn.
That tells you.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
So like those impacts .

Speaker 3 (44:52):
To go a little bit further, that's really cool and
still to this day, I'm on athread that's got 15 men and me,
and I'm about 20 years youngerthan all of them.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
So he saw something a long time ago and it wasn't
because I played, it's becausehe wanted to grab ahold of me,
and that's what I remember.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah, and I realize I'm probably A true leader of
men, true leader of men, and hejust happened to be a great
manager too.
Yeah, Speaking of that, theguys that you did play for
different personalities, all ofthem Did you play for Jack
McKeon, oh man.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Jack McKeon.
Well, on a side note, you knowTrader Jack, who I just texted
with recently, he's 95.
At Jack, who I just texted withrecently, he's 95.
At least Still walks like sixmiles a day, the good Lord's
with him.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
He goes to.
Mass every day of his life.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Every morning, Jack.
Mcgee goes to Mass he stillgoes to Mass Every day
Unbelievable.
Doesn't miss, he's the best.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Does he walk there?
Because he can't walk.
He walks there.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
I think he walks to Mass and walks back that, but he
smokes his cigar every day.
He's just such a good guy.
But a funny story with that wasthe scout that drafted me was
Casey McKeon his son.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Oh my gosh, drafted me with the Cleveland Indians.
Here we go again.
He's 94, by the way, and sureenough, there's no doubt.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
I think as I went up, I hit .350 in the minors with
the Indians in three years, andso I think, Casey.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
McKeon was like you got to get this guy you got to
get this guy, you got to getthis.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
And so when the Reds traded for me, jack was the
manager.
I'll tell you what.
Here's a quick story about JackMcKeon.
Jack, I had an eye.
My third day I got traded,opening day 1998, to the Reds
for their number one, starteraveburba.
So everyone was like, who'sthis casey guy?
Well, four days into it I gothit in the eye and I got an
orbital fracture, four hoursurgery, out six to eight weeks.

(46:35):
So that was it.
Was that a teammate throwing?
The ball damian jackson, a bp,threw it and hit me that's crazy
so crazy stuff anyway.
So I come back.
I go three for four.
My first game.
I'm like, oh man, this bigleague, stuff's easy.
Then I go three for my next 37.
I couldn't hit water from aboat.
I was so bad Like this guy'sterrible, so they sent me down
because I'm like I actuallyneeded it.

(46:55):
I came back to this.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
I went down for three games.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
I was like I need to go down, like I need to get some
at-bats, I need to get my eyeright.
So I came back up and I'mstruggling.
I'm hitting like a buck 85.
That's what I was hitting with.
And Jack McKeon calls me in hisoffice and he's like hey,
listen, I've watched you play,you can hit, you're going to hit
.
He's like I'm going to keepputting you in the three hole.
Meanwhile I was embarrassedbecause I'm not doing well.

(47:20):
Barry Larkin, these guys are onthe TNF.
I'm like who's this third forme?
He goes I don't care if you hita buck 90, the rest of the year
you're gonna play.
And I was like, oh my god,that's what I needed.
And I ended up hitting 300 inthe second half, seven home runs
, and I started to feel like Ibelong, but only because my

(47:41):
manager had the faith they hadme and that's why I tell people
like, careful with some of theseyoung guys, careful with how
you treat people, because youcould ruin a guy's career or you
could elevate a guy's career,do you remember?

Speaker 1 (47:52):
I?

Speaker 3 (47:53):
almost stood up.
That was almost a sin of mine.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
To that point and I mix up years, so I don't know if
you remember Chad Hermanson,kent State.
Okay, I don't know what year hewas in.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
No, I played with.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
sorry, that was the other, hermanson, dustin
Hermanson.
Oh, that was the pitcher.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Chad Hermeson and I played.
Remember I talked about theArizona Fall League in 97 when
Casey McKeon, jack Hilton he wasmy teammate, chad was my
teammate.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Big righty pop, I mean.
Should have been a 10-year bigone, Woody Heike famously
longtime Pirate Minor Leaguemanager, great baseball man
famously said and he nevertalked about prospects, ever.
He just wouldn't say anything.
But he came out, quoted assaying this guy can walk on

(48:41):
water.
He had it all.
He was five tools To your point.
They got him up to the bigleagues and he didn't start more
than like four games in a row.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Wait, wait, what, and ?

Speaker 1 (48:51):
then they'd sit him and then the pirates, and he's
never done that in his lifeguaranteed no, no, yeah, all of
a sudden.
So I can't imagine what's goingthrough his head.
And I remember walking to theclubhouse at three river stadium
watching there's a hittingcoach over there talking.
There's another coach, talk tohim.
He'd be at the cage, somebodyelse be talking to him.
I'm thinking, man, this is aheck of a thing to do this kid.
But then, you know, it goesfour straight games.

(49:12):
I swear to you he didn't startmore than four straight games
that whole year and it justmessed him up, messed up his
whole career to your point.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
That's what I mean.
And if somebody was like hey,dude, you're going to hit,
you're going to play.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
We're going to keep you in that line.
You're going to go, Just go you.
I went back.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
I've gone back and looked back at my career and I
could literally tell you thesame idea.
No, somebody believed in me andtold me it wasn't a lie and it
happened Right, and the trustthat I cause, like oh in other
words, like this is what we'regoing to do, and they do it,
they implement it, right yeah?
It was.
It was like okay, cool and I mybest year in the big leagues.

(49:48):
I had 315 off the bench and itwas like I'm a backup.
Glenn Allen Hill goes, let's bethe best backup.
I asked to go down.
They were debating on bringingme to the big leagues right away
.
I went down, played every twogames.
It's a two on, two off.
I went up and did okay, neededto come back down and then I
went off.
It was because I just put mybrain there and glenn outhill

(50:10):
said if you're putting it there,we're going all in right, and
they wanted me to play every dayin the minor leagues.
Why I'm gonna go up there.
That's my job, let's do that,do that?

Speaker 2 (50:19):
yeah, it changed everything and that's you need
to your point.
Yeah, I think that's incredible.
I've seen kids be ruined like achad hermanson.
Just like you know, I rememberI had such an incredible lesson
in 1995 when I got drafted bythe Cleveland Indians.
I was the second round pick.
I had just hit 461.

(50:39):
I led Division I baseball.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
University of Richmond yeah, University of.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Richmond I was the number one hitter in Division I
baseball, so I come in.
Well, there was a great guy notBilly Williams with the Cubs,
but it was just Billy.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Williams.
It was a great guy.
Not Billy Williams with theCubs, but it was just Billy.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Williams.
He was a minor league coach andhe was like, hey, he's like.
Now, when you get to the proball you're like these guys must
know something.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Yeah, and if you're sitting on the bench, you're
like, if he tells me this and Ido it, I can play, I can play
right.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
So I come up and he's like hey, you know, I'm 6'3", I
want to be tall, that's how Iwould go coming down on the ball
, compressing it.
And so Snap, hook, yeah, justwham, just hands.
And so he was like you got toget your legs more.
So I started squatting down mylegs.
I mean, you want to talk aboutgoing to a funk For one week?

(51:22):
I think I got two hits.
I actually was terrible, but Iabout he's a piece of
professional coach.
I have to listen, so, joelskinner, remember joel, yeah so
joel skins was the best andskins was up my manager at low a
ball in watertown, new york.
He pulled me aside after thisone game after he saw me
scuffling and, uh, he's like,hey, man, he goes, stop.
I don't know anything about you, but I know that you were

(51:44):
drafted in the second round.
Why do you think the indiansdrafted you in the second round?
I was like because I, because Ican hit.
He's like, exactly, because youcan hit, what'd you hit in
college?
I said 461.
He goes, okay, he goes.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
I don't know.
Yeah, my bad, my bad, he goeshe goes.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
I don't know you, but what I want you to do is,
tomorrow night, I want you tohit exactly how you hit Whatever
you did at Richmond.
Do that.
So the next night I stood uptall, started.
In that way, I ended up winningthe batting title in watertown,
new york.
No, mark shapiro think I'mtalking about director mark
shapiro was the ceo of the bluejays.
Now, yeah, was the minor leaguedirector at the time.

(52:19):
I'd noticed for a fact the nextoff, the next season, they're
coming into this season 96, intomy second high, a ball year.
I'm moving up from watertown tokinston.
He got, got them together andsaid, hey, listen, it might not
be exactly how you think itshould look, but this guy can
hit Nobody.
Talked to him about hittingNobody and I swear to God, he

(52:42):
told them to stop talking.
I don't want anyone talking toSean Casey about his swing, his
stance, just let him hit.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
It's not a beautiful story.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
He did 331 that year, 380 the next year and then was
in the big leagues.
But the point was, leadershipcame through and they set bright
lines and they said don't touchthis guy, touch this guy, this
guy, don't touch him.
Had guys not like that, putthose barriers up.
Who knows?

Speaker 1 (53:06):
I may not need to talk for a minute because that's
the way it should be, but itwas Joel Skinner that started it
.
Joel Skinner right.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
And Joel Skinner says something he goes hitting's
hard guys.
He goes.
You know what he goes.
I played 10 years in the bigleagues.
One year I started one year andhit 180 for the whole year.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
But so I've heard that story, especially on the
pitching side.
So much right, right and I lovepitching side.
So much right, right and I, Ilove movement.
I absolutely love movement andhow biomechanics, everything
else but like, your body moves acertain way right and you can
watch someone even in the waythey walk.
I spent a lot of money tofigure out why I kept getting
hurt with the joint specialtiescame in from taiwan, so it
wasn't love that dude yeah, I'msure they help you.

(53:48):
Uh it, it made everything makesense, but it didn't help
anything right, right, but Ithink I just need an answer,
because I had two weirdsurgeries that weren't baseball
costs.
But all that to be said is I'veheard that so many times and
like when do you get a chance tofail right?
And what is that number thatallows you to fail right, like
we're so fast to say no, we gotto do it different.
But the reason why is never satdown like this Right, and said,

(54:11):
all right, so what's yourapproach?
What made you play the game?
Right?
Right, because maybe you had adad that told him something that
would bury him in the sand,right, and that's where you went
to.
And now you're that little kidthat couldn't hit again.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
No, you're right, You're exactly right.
It's so mental and they look sodefeated.
Yeah, it's just.
It's one of those things where,like you know, at the end of
the day there's a reason thatyou've got to where you're at.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
And it's your career.
You did a lot of things right.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
And I used to say to myself I tell guys, if you're
going down, go down your way.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
You know what I mean At the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
I remember being with a lot of guys in the big
leagues have their hittingcoaches on the side in the
offseason right, all of them doso.
When I was hitting coach forthe Yankees, I'd go up to the
guys you know, to Volpe orwhatever.
Hey, man, what's your hittingcoach telling you Exactly?

Speaker 3 (54:57):
What are your keys?

Speaker 2 (54:59):
So I can just speak the same language.
I don't want to come in hereand be like you got to do this.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
That's the last thing tell me, and then like
reinforce, let's go, they'realready doing right, like dave
maganin was one of my favoritefavorite hitting coaches in
boston another guy that couldhit?

Speaker 1 (55:12):
yeah, max could hit 2008.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
He comes up to me, goes up to every guy.
Big poppy, uh, jay bay when jaybay came over to, uh, the red
sox in 08 and raked um.
But he came up to every guy atthe beginning of spring training
say, hey, listen, case, he hada note card.
What are, what are the threethings you do when you're going?
Well, oh man, I got my handsback.
I'm nice and easy.
I have a left-center approach,okay, great, boom.
What about when you'restruggling?

(55:35):
You know what?
I'm a little geared up, I'm outfront and I'm stuck on my back
side.
Okay, good, well, bam.
Whenever I'd be going.
Well, he would just reiterateman, your hands would back.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
well, look how slow you are.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
It's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
You'd always have to go to him, right, I'm like this
guy knows me, yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
And then when I would struggle, he'd be like hey.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
You told him, I told him and he had every guy on a no
card.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
And I thought that was great.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
That's what I tried to do with the positive.
You know how to hit.
That's all you got here.
Go back to this.
The trust is the hardest part.
It doesn't matter what you'vedone, right?
Right, most of these guys haveno clue because they're
scrolling on social media, right, they don't go back and do
research.
So you have to get trust.
It doesn't matter if you're onmlb network, right, like a ride
could walk in or anybody, itdoesn't matter.
Doesn't matter because they'relike I'm him, be in there, just
give me some time.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Yeah, you got to be in there, yeah, but like the
trust factor.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Think about that.
If you can't, you do it everysingle time.
We do a podcast, brownie, youcome in and you're prepared.
Yeah, like that means somethingevery time.
But like this guy doing that,it's incredible.
Chili Davis did that formeseason hey, what do you think
about Mossy?
And I finally asked him whatmade you do me?

(56:52):
He goes you do the same thing.
Every great hitter I've playedwith you just sit there and
listen and ask some questions.
And I hadn't seen that in proball.
And I said yeah, because I hadno identity.
Everybody just told me what todo my entire career.
But when I got into pro ball, Iwas the best hitter on my team,
with power to left center.
I hit 22 numbers, Then I hit 180because they changed my swing

(57:15):
and then I went back to it.
I was the same story, but thenthe next hitting coach because,
like I had enough, to wherethey're like, ooh, if it's just
this little more, yeah.
And then finally, you know, youput that stamp down and I'm in
the big leagues, not playingevery day.
I've never done that.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
And.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
I always have that empathy watching those guys.
Jack Sawinski for us last yearbroke my heart.
Yeah, like I love talking tothat kid, he's a believer, I'm a
believer.
We'd sit there and talk aboutlife and then he'd open up about
his swing and he knew his swingas good as anybody.
But he had a hitting coach here.
He had 18 people talking to himhere.

(57:53):
You could see him just going.
Who am I?
Right, right and he's just, helooks hollow and it's so sad.
Yeah, and guys like you are theones that pulled me back.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
you're my michael kodaira like michael kodaira
made me understand.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
You have to do these things and understand these
things, but you have to try themwhere you can.
So you have to do bp to figureout how to hit that soft lefty,
because you can pull a bullet.
And i'm'm like why hasn'tanybody told me that Right,
right, right.
Why have I hit 180 againstthese guys?

Speaker 2 (58:14):
They throw hard, you know.
One of the things, too, is that, like I think, nowadays there's
so much video, there's so manyanalytic guys in the game, which
is good.
You should have information,but in this game it's paralysis
by analysis at times, becauseone thing we lose sight of as
hitters is you're trying to hitthe baseball, yeah, and you need
to cover.
The only analytics you reallyneed to know is 17 by 8 by 12

(58:36):
it's the size of the plate.
You got to be able to put youreyes out over that plate where
you could cover the baseball.
And I actually think guys thinkso much now about their swings
they forget you're still tryingto hit the ball.
Where you're in the backyardplaying wiffle ball, you're not
thinking about anything butcrushing the ball.
There's something to that.
Just dumb it down at times.
Dumb this game down.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
When you said cover, that's all I was thinking.
I don't know if I've heard thatin 10 years.
Honestly God think about that.
I was just with a kid that'svery, very talented Yesterday.
I have a giant cut man, I'mthrowing a BP and I was like,
all right, I'm just going tothrow harder and harder, see if
it works.
And I was at the top and he wasstruggling, Right, because he's
a low ball hitter.
He didn't get mad, but he justkept going.

(59:16):
I'm like what are we doing?
Are you going to make anadjustment?
What are we doing?
Yeah, and it was a moment heturned ball right and it's
because he was like I wanted tofail.
I wanted to keep going throughit and try to do different
things that we've talked aboutfor years.
Yeah, and I was like so youjust became your own hitting
coach in another way.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Oh and and and the and the relationship to failure.
Yeah, failure is information,failure is feedback.
Who fails the best wins likefailure is not.
You're not a bum, you're not.
You win or learn.
Win or learn like that.
Failure is information for me,like back at my career and you
can get into coaching.
Come on, man, let's have adifferent relationship with
failure.
Just because you failed, that'sgood.

(59:56):
Where do you think you'regetting your information from?
Where's the first positive?

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Your mistakes.
That's so good.
How much time do you?

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
got.
I'm so excited, do you have?

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
some more time.
Yeah, I got time, because thisis just the first episode of
Sean Casey of Hold my Cut.