NO LIMIT VS CASH MONEY And AI Is Here

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We unpack brand misreads around DEI, then shift into AI’s new place in music as an AI artist hits the Billboard charts. The second half breaks down No Limit vs Cash Money, why showmanship beat scarcity, and who could credibly face Jay-Z in a Versus.

• Target’s inclusivity optics and how brands underestimate cultural risk
• AI as tool vs replacement in music creation
• Prompting as a communication skill and why it matters
• The ethics and reality of relationships with AI
• Service apps, convenience trade-offs, and hidden costs
• No Limit vs Cash Money: attendance, presence, and MVPs
• Snoop’s loyalty, Master P’s protection, and legacy moments
• Mannie Fresh vs KLC and production identity
• Who can match Jay-Z: Wayne, Nas, Drake, Kanye
• Why Jay vs Nas makes the most musical sense

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SPEAKER_01 (00:03):
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So joke.
What's going on?

SPEAKER_03 (00:24):
D-E-I.
I like it.
We don't have no other Caucasianso normal.

SPEAKER_06 (00:33):
You don't think ICE is gonna start banging at my
door a little bit?

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Nah, we don't gotta have sphocs.
We got Caucasian.
So I think we good.
Okay, that's number one.
Catch what tell can't beshowing.
Yeah.
But yeah, no.
So be yeah, dude.
I'm talking having issues withhim, kind of like still target.

(01:01):
How did they do that?
Target underestimated how muchnot only certain poop spoon and
target.
Dude, that's what I'm saying.
How did Target underestimatewhat they were?
We're Target, man.
You are known for your yourwhat's the word I'm gonna fall?

(01:22):
I'm gonna say it's conclusively,thank you.
And like you desire to alloweverybody in no matter what, and
you celebrate everybody's, youknow, differences of their
cultures, and you all constantlyunderstand like for every
different thing, you know.
Did you all really not get aboutuh issues when we you know it's

(01:52):
not just hard, it's just hard.
It's not just hard, man.
They don't uh it's like theylook at it and they think uh let
me just shut up, have whatevermoney you're asking me to, and
I'll do whatever is likecollaborating.

(02:15):
That thing that I said about in2020, that that was the that was
the wind boom exactly when webrought the web, we brought back
a whole lot of 500 people.

(02:36):
Maybe it's like we're replacingplace.
Oh god, so yeah, turbulent itmeans hey, okay, boom, because I
have something else that I'vejust read about today that I

(02:57):
want to add on to it, but I needto look at some stuff online,
but go ahead, yeah.
So turn it as five on AIartists, uh and I don't think
quite okay now.
What was it, do you happen toknow the name of this artist by
okay?
I do an ask.
I for sure and that's I wouldsay it you produce music, so you

(03:19):
don't have a betterunderstanding of either this
thing me or the perspective.
But how'd you say the method wastemporary?
Because I wouldn't expecttemporary and you don't want to
do it.
Uh it was just me coming from abunch of humans that produce so
many music for so many for whowe want to do.

(03:43):
So it doesn't shock me at allthat it's him that doesn't.
Hugh has always been the personwho wants to, you know what I'm
saying?
Like him and I would say theneptoons, but I don't feel like
even with them, they're not asfar out there like he is with

(04:04):
wanting to, you know what I'msaying, to like hey, what's that
new thing?
Yeah, exactly.
Who wants to be?

SPEAKER_06 (04:10):
He wants to like do it first, and he also like he's
constantly wanting to experimentwith these new ideas and new
sounds.

SPEAKER_03 (04:15):
But you know, if you go back and you listen to his
music back in the day when whenhe was fucking doing children
like Justin Timberlake and uhlike he was doing his own albums
in Melly Fatado and all thatstuff, but his sound and I think
it was there was that 50 Centsong that he did for Lucent and
Justin Timberlake and uh AEOtechnology.

(04:41):
Yes, it was like if you listento the sounds that he's always
done, he's always tried to dosomething so different and out
there with his sound style.
So for him to do the AI thing,doesn't surprise me at all.
Um say it's an artist, then hehas time, right?
He doesn't the AI artist.
I just wrote today about for thefirst time an AI artist is in

(05:05):
the Bill Moore top 40 charts.
And it was it's an artist, andthat's why I was wondering like
if maybe if it's if it's hisartist.
But I kind of like at first Iwas like, I don't know if I like
this, but also it's apparentlyit's a poet, and so she is using

(05:27):
this AI artist to like like shegives it the poetry, you know
what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 (05:34):
As long as like the character or something, you know
what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 (05:41):
Tata?
Tata, too.
I don't think that's you knowwhich in house.

SPEAKER_04 (05:53):
Sorry, no bowls.

SPEAKER_03 (06:26):
I don't know, but you do I don't know, uh just
thinking of music.
This is the first time what's Iforgot it was like thumbs on the
furries, then hip hop, it was nohip hop or rap art.
Yes, for the first time it waslike 25 years, singing five
years?
But something five is becausechanged, I guess, how they're

(06:51):
how they're doing the charts,how they're doing it, and so
when they adjusted it, theKendra Klamar.
It's a Kinder Klamar song.
I can't very much song, it wasKendra, it was a Winkling song.
I guess I'm oh what was becauseit was trying to wait, but the
winking to wait the winky, and Iwas like, I have a question for

(07:15):
you, Minda.
Did we pronounce our nameScizor?
Is it okay?
Look, I'm not gonna ask nobody,so I don't know.
Okay, it's a I think it's aKendrick Lamar's Susan song.
It's a song that just fell off,and that's what it, yeah.
Um, you found out uh uh yourbiggest board artist?

(07:36):
Zanya Mong! Zanya Mame hasbecome the first AI artist to
charge on the U.S.
Billboard racing.
Um I'll grab it that Mississippipoet and designer Tao Sha Vicky
Jones.

SPEAKER_07 (07:53):
She will be in this generative software to set her
poems of music, and back ofseptember will be also signed a
multimillion dollar deal.

SPEAKER_05 (08:00):
How would be uh second for everyone to come out?

SPEAKER_03 (08:14):
I love the idea of incorporating like using it as a
tool to help you out, you know,but you get a person like myself
who sits there sometimes and youstruggle with you know and you
hit these blocks where you'rejust trying to figure out like
what the fuck am I doing?
Or you know, like how can I howcan I take this idea and

(08:38):
transform it into like you knowI'm saying, like, get it out of
my head in doing this fuckingthis thing.
And so for that, I feel like,you know, using AI as a tool to
help you.
I don't see anything wrong withthat.
You know, I mean, we have anymini-packs for Christ's sakes
that like in case you can'tfigure out core words or

(08:59):
something, like you're trying tocome up with a core and you're
just stuck, and you're like,okay, well, I have this idea,
but I want a backing cord, youknow, you can just throw it in
there, you know.
That's and to me, that's just asmuch cheating as it would be to
like use an AI tool.

SPEAKER_06 (09:11):
And a lot of these AI tools, too, they're a lot of
them are more for like masteringthat I've seen, where you know,
like you do all the work, butthen you're you're trying to mix
it down and like tweet thesounds and make your soundness
right.

SPEAKER_03 (09:28):
Or I could just load in this software I've got of
Isotope called Ozone 12 orwhatever, and then like poof, uh
yeah, generated.
It's like, oh, what do you wantit to sound like?
Well, I'm kind of thinkingsomething along the lines of
like little John Bowser, youknow, it's like, oh, okay, here
you go.
It's a whole lot of work in NGS.

(09:48):
Exactly.
It's obviously so right inthose, and that's what I do.
But when somebody sits here,because you do have the
software, we can just walk inthere right now, and I have a
software too.
Like, make me a trap beat thatsounds like Yotin Jeezy thug

(10:09):
motivation 101.
And then I hit a button, andit's gonna come up and it will
generate me a beat just off ofthat idea.
I'm you're not.
You're not a fucking code, sir.
You're not you're not doingthat.
You're not doing that.
No.
So I've given AI supposed to belike Vital editing, sometimes

(10:36):
description.
Uh I give help becomes AI, butsimply I shouldn't use the AI
because simply, like, damn, Iknow it's a bit of field.
But also, I feel like I'msomething to say though.
So sometimes I move reservesfrom using it.
We look at my name, I'm likeeverybody, everybody else is

(10:59):
doing that.
So why would I start about itand not use it?
I'd say one of the one of thethings because I don't know,
I've told you about like I'vebeen trying to learn more about
it because you know, like wesay, it's in heaven, it's
coming, it's here.
We cannot sit there and be like,no, you know, stop it.

(11:19):
So we might as well find a wayto to interact with it, you know
say and work with it.
It is it is gonna expose a lotof people who do not know how to
communicate.
Because I don't know, I don'tknow how much like you're what
you got doing, you know what I'msaying, or what you do with

(11:40):
that.
But for me, like if I want tosit here and create a video, if
I'll put an image in, and I wantto take that image and I want it
to do a specific thing, like Ican't just sit there and be
like, hey Gemini, I want you tohave these two dudes soaked
hands and then hand each other abag of grocery jams, and like I

(12:01):
have to like, well at thecompanion shit, like you're
trying to write a book here ofour own, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (12:07):
I need you to have his figure tubes cold with the
trickles of his sweat drippingdown to the Yeah, like you have
to like tell a story with it,and so I feel like AI is going
to it's gonna be um it's gonnaexpose a lot of people who don't

(12:27):
know how to do that, but thenit's also gonna help a lot of
people to be able tocommunicate.

SPEAKER_03 (12:36):
I think there's yeah, I think some people who a
lot of people are gonna be usingAI or the people who don't
really communicate in the firstplace.
So now they have something thatthey can't communicate with, and
they have to communicate with itvery decision and clearly to get
the results they want.
I feel like that mighthypothetically they could take

(12:59):
that out of here and use it inthe real world.
Then again, they probably won'tbe the world.
So I don't know if we would havea bunch.
These are uh tools that mayberelationship with I was I
thought I was dressing, but Ithought she would have eaten.

(13:20):
I tell you what, man, I seen uhthis is too much to me.
I seen this thing, and it was uhit was a post, and they were
talking about like ourgeneration, and like our
parents' generation, you know,say da-da-da-da-da.
And like, you know, in ourparents' generation, they
struggled to understand girlrelationships, you know what I'm

(13:45):
saying, like transgender, youknow, the whole LGBTQ thing to
them.
Like, so the ones who are nosense are like willing to be
accepted, you know what I'msaying?
Like, okay, you know, and theydo that and they understand one
from a lot is love, my shit.
But I feel like they weretalking about the generation,

(14:06):
like for us, we're gonna havekids who are gonna come back to
us, and like you just said,they're gonna have relationships
with these AIs, and they'regonna have this full
relationship, and it's gonna belike they're coming to us with
this, and we're gonna be sittingthere, and it's up to us now to
explain to yeah, to do what weexpected of our parents to do

(14:26):
with the LGBTQ.
That's the great point.
I'm saying because like to know,you know, maybe not right now,
but like we're talking 10flipping seven years down the
road when this becomes way moreintelligent and way more than it
feels now in Vance.

(14:48):
That's the word joke.
Yeah.
Imagine sitting there and tryingto have that conversation with
somebody where they're like, I'mloving this thing, and you're
like, But you can't be.
Why not?
That's the way our parents nothaving to differ with another
human being sitting next totheir jail.
You know, we have to build it.

(15:13):
Hey, women is in a relationship.
You talking about this?
You have a relationship withthis?
Yeah, no matter what, this isokay.
Who have relationships and havehad them for long periods of

(15:37):
time with people online?
They have never even met.
We're getting over the life.
This has been a thing.
Hell, I was I was 14 years oldon the internet, and I was
talking to people who weresitting there like, oh, you
know, do you want to be myboyfriend?
I'll be your girlfriend.
It's like the gym never met me.

(16:03):
This is the next thing.
This is then it's not a criminalowner of the this is a person
who was paid to ring up.
I'm not sure what that wasn'treally mouth papers.
It was just somebody on theother end.

SPEAKER_00 (16:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (16:21):
But what's the person?
This is a telegram.
Hey, think about crazy wentsound.
You know what the relationshipwould have on a little smile.

SPEAKER_02 (16:39):
What about something with it?

SPEAKER_03 (16:44):
It's not a real studio, but you can go.
Oh, then that was the firstthing he said.
Okay, can I okay?
I'm gonna have a very trying tosquare conversation.
We're both seeing how sweet onyeah, our women take marvels.

(17:16):
Yeah, if we don't want to showme the app.

SPEAKER_02 (17:22):
Exactly.
Whoops, doing this?
Why do you doing this?

SPEAKER_03 (17:33):
Is the finger too coming in on kit?
Hold on.
I have an answer for that.
Okay?
Here's a j here where you're atwith this, okay?
And I'ma I'ma simulate this realquick, okay?

SPEAKER_07 (17:52):
Babe, my real sick.
I'm real sick.
Yeah, I'm away.
Yeah, uh you just got the kingwas talking back to me, right?
My my spouse here.

SPEAKER_02 (18:04):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (18:05):
Yeah, I'm really sick.
I don't feel good.
I was I I wish I had somebodyhere who could make this soup.
And then the AI is gonna lookand be like, oh well, I found a
listing of people around theneighborhood and come over there
and make you soup under thisapp, you know what I'm saying?
Because we'll have apps foreverything.
We already do, we already do,yeah.
I'm saying so.
I mean, like, oh, do you needsomebody to come to da da da da

(18:27):
da die?
So I think I'm like giving morelove because that's my baby,
man.
My baby's so good.
She takes care of me.
She orders somebody to come overmy house and cook the chicken in
the soup.
Not in this I don't think it'sgonna be constipation, but I
think we're gonna cost one.

(18:50):
I was gonna say, you know, Ithink we're gonna move.
You gotta pay me, you gotta payfor all that for somebody
covering your chicken with asoup.
Yeah, pay for somebody who candeliver the groceries for your
chicken with a soup because youain't prepared it is.

(19:29):
I do the range when the firstone's fine.
Now that you now that you justsay that, I don't have the
correctness, I lied.

SPEAKER_06 (19:43):
I think it was pop and two.
I would play one of those pintsof motherfucker.
And it was uh, yeah, it was oneof now.

SPEAKER_03 (19:52):
So they don't do it run down to certain orders of
the but they will like subsidizethose orders off to fucking you
know, like Doordash or whateverto come and deliver to people.
Yeah, that's what they do.
We want your money, we just wewant somebody else to risk them.
Yeah, but you're gonna buy anedge drum for them to deliver
your foods, but for you orwhatever.

(20:15):
I was pure residents, yeah.
Yeah, I'm gonna get on them, butI used to look at that
generally.
I used to do that a lot morebecause we're like, I'll try.
Yes, oh god, yes.
We talk about delivering someother boys.
But AI is a project.

(20:36):
But like you say, it's nothingwe can do about it.
It's coming.
We're gonna have to learn someadapt to it.

SPEAKER_05 (20:43):
Yes, yeah, goes from there.

SPEAKER_03 (20:45):
Yeah, you just wasn't surprised by Tendling.
I was really surprised by Tim.
But we're gonna tell you, and weswitch me to the verses.
Just gonna say one right intothat.
Yes, they do.
They have verses of I didn't seeTimberland and other bitches.
I didn't talk to this.
So that's what I was wondering.
Like, and I every time I hearabout it now, all I hear is

(21:05):
Swiss.

SPEAKER_06 (21:07):
Like, is Timberland still involved in it?
Or is he kind of like a sound,you know, part?

SPEAKER_03 (21:12):
I just don't know the sound.
I know they wear issues wherethey transfer ownerships and
party ownerships and stuff,yeah.
So now is it bad, and like Isaid, the only person I saw was
supposed to be an NC Tenderland.
Yeah, not the same.
I would have more short shipjob, right?
But uh, so no, it was uh casualmoney versus uh it was in Las

(21:34):
Vegas, and a lot of peoplebecause it was a uh Comic Con
and or Complex Comic Complex Conto Big Burst.
I can't imagine that you know,but you want to rub the I think
it would be and we're gonna seea layout, but it would be a lot

(21:56):
of people in the ones that's indirt, uh, they will know it.

SPEAKER_05 (22:00):
I mean it's that is something that we need to talk
about when we talk about this.

SPEAKER_03 (22:09):
Like crowd, but if anybody did there's a lot of
modern building models, but notthe virus is gonna say
important.
Yeah, it was in orange, yes.
They should have built that inthe new orange probably.
I understood why they did itbecause what was going on there,

(22:29):
you know.
Like, wasn't it something alsowasn't a basketball or football
or some other support?
Like there's something going onin New Orleans was like already
there.
Oh yeah, this I'm not thePelicans.
I was already saying out of thebuilding, it was the Pelicans.
I guess it was BDM, but Ithought it was red was he was

(22:53):
starting because I have the UKteam.

SPEAKER_00 (22:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (22:55):
So unless they how they have to bring the Saints,
yeah, it would be the people outof the Brandon.

SPEAKER_06 (23:01):
I must remember like when they were bringing it up,
they were talking about you knowwhy they had it in hospital.

SPEAKER_03 (23:06):
They said that they did it because complex time was
there, but also it was somethingthat was like New Orleans was
gonna meet where already haverepresentation for spring and
then and they thought it wouldbe very befitting to go ahead
and like just have a hugecelebration of all things new
ones.
So we're gonna go to the end ofthe day on trap on the yes.

(23:28):
See they lived in Atlanta fromPhiladelphia.
So now it wasn't.
But yeah, if it would have ifthe problem would have been
better if it would have been inNew Orleans, obviously.

(23:52):
A whole different reaction.

SPEAKER_05 (23:54):
So we would have it.

SPEAKER_03 (24:01):
But I think the verses need to be a bird, but I
also think that the bride wouldbe too much.
We need to move into actuallocations.
Yeah, especially when thesesituations like that when it's
two people from the same city,yeah.
It would have made it was suchan epic thing, too.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
This wasn't just like some, youknow, oh like I'm gonna use

(24:25):
these two names, you know, notno disrespect to it, but it
wasn't like we just had BrysonTiller Jack Harlow up on stage,
you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 (24:33):
Like, yeah, two names, two big names, you know
what I'm saying, for mobile.

SPEAKER_03 (24:38):
But you have to look at the impact and fucking
movement that Cavs Money and NoLimit create.
Like, these are two hugedynasties.
They needed so much more thanwhere they were in what they
feel like I feel like every timeversus in person, I'm saying
that at the end was theparabolic counter.

(25:00):
Yeah, we every time versus anyversions I saw that was in
person at the end of the backlevel is the crap cut counter.
They can sing it.
It's also kind of hard to tellthe parabola because you know,
it's video.
We know when we can tell, we cantell the thing all from the guy,
yeah.

(25:20):
But we want to tell the thingwas, you know, somewhat remote.

unknown (25:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (25:24):
Statement is there.

SPEAKER_00 (25:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (25:25):
It's one of the places catalogs there.
But uh, so what is your manversus?
Before you watch it, what wasyour thoughts on the internet?
Your only internet.
What do you thought we weregoing to win?
What did you thought?
How come was mine do?
Because this two all thelegends, they weren't don't at
one time the legal didn't watcheach other.
Bro, and I was gonna say, like,that was one thing, and I don't

(25:50):
know, did they perform who's Idon't remember even performing
that, but yeah, they when youtalk about they're not like each
other because I remember thatsong and the first thing he says
in there, SS Central 20s, but Iain't no motherfucking stomach.

SPEAKER_06 (26:06):
Yeah, and it was like, yeah, because that was
them going back to work.

SPEAKER_03 (26:10):
But I think he was I remember saying something about
not being on not being a son,Billy remember um uh D Way in
the song.

SPEAKER_05 (26:22):
Yeah.
Did that say it on the track wasnot like that bull Yeah, it
doesn't say anybody.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (26:35):
Going into it honestly I thought cash money
would put a PSF.
I didn't think and I guess itwas because I forgot about the
relevancy, you know what I'msaying, the impact of Nawoga
because you're constantly cashmoney, you know what I'm saying,

(26:58):
because they're still around.
Young believe it with face, soyou know, you were constantly
reminded of the impact again.
You see it all the time.
You know, fuck still go away.
Nicki Minaj, Drake, uh NBA,Young Moore, you know, all these
all these different artists, youknow.
So going into it, I'm having allof these two on my head.

(27:21):
I'm having all of this stuff inmy head, and I'm like, I mean, I
love no limit, but how do wehate with that?

SPEAKER_02 (27:31):
Then we get to the versus and so you see cash money
come out, beat the doctor,probably something doesn't buy
that.
And I was just like, Duh.

SPEAKER_03 (27:54):
What the fuck?
Where's everybody at?
And so like, you know, I seelike a couple of dudes up there,
you know, and I think that's theman in fresh, and I can
recognize uh he alwaysrecognized Burton, you know, I
always see Burton.
Nobody else really I could tell.
I just damn where's everybodyat?

(28:14):
Just kind of looked back, andthen all of a sudden him comes
Nova with whoa.
They came out with the army,they came out with the army.

(28:38):
It was like he just went rightback down there and was like, I
want to go do a show real quick.
And every single person waslike, Yeah, let's go back.
So yeah, uh he had me X, um,Silk, of course, you know, him,
Young Moon, um, was it Mac?

(28:59):
Mac was Mac was there, yeah.
Yes.
It's fucking so dope, too,because you know, how long was
that name with you for Wovies?
Uh people do so I I'm like I'mjust playing on, okay.
It was cash money, cash moneywas on Willies, yes.

(29:21):
I thought we was okay, so howfar uh at a time are we doing
cash money?
Because cash really, and it's noremedy.
With us, cash money has had alengthy.
Oh, yeah, cash money is stillpretty now, even though you know
they got making issues with acertain person who really showed
well, who can do the situation,but like you said, yeah, I know

(29:46):
it's crazy.
Yeah, sir.
But catch money still, when I'mlike, you gotta when I'm
thinking uh cat when I'mthinking uh hot moves a good
times, yeah.
That's it.

SPEAKER_07 (30:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (30:03):
But it's just that and that was that's what I'm
thinking.
And I put myself in that mindsettoo, real quick.
I was just like, okay, hey, um,and to separate own cash money
versus no link.
Is own cash and exactly versusno link.
But the problem is owning cashmoney.

(30:29):
We got 50% of the gang.
We got 50% of us.
We don't we have those onlytimes.
Yes, the only one was in thesling.
But inside my head.
Berlin.
Look, man, this could be thesmartest one.

(30:49):
Because he just stays in thebackground.
That man has collected hispatches.
And I mean that's nothing.
So Berlin, I thought it wasscared money.
I mean, yeah, one yeah, it's onebecause we got me.

(31:11):
That was a pretty ball.
For me, the labor was the I'mpotatoes at the tank.
Yeah.
That's when it was the status ofno limit.
Then I was more into it than themusic of No Limit.
How was this was on?
So, like I was telling you, youknow what I'm saying, eighth
grade.
Um somebody put me on, you knowwhat I'm saying, like played uh

(31:33):
ice cream man because they'd allbeen telling me about Haster P.
Funny thing about that too, Ialso forgot to mention was I had
been singing about it about itfrom TRU on Ratch City for a
long time before that.
And I was just like, and I heardsomebody, I was like, because
they played that song next.
I said, hey, I know that song.
They were like, you know, he didlike, no, that's that other

(31:54):
group, TRU Lily.
Yeah, that's Buck and P.
It's like, oh, okay.
So yeah.
But like, you know, I went fromeighth grade, he was ice cream
ain't coming out.
I was straight to ninth gradecentral high school.
And we had no limit.
Every me.

(32:15):
Dropping an album.
Now it was literal no limitdropping an album.
You also had King was sittingthere.
And I had these dudes at schoolsinging, uh, this I carried off
the project step uh hot likePeppa.
So I'm like, what the fuck isthat?
It's like I said, got hot voice.
What the fuck names themselveshot voice?

(32:37):
What the fuck is this shit?
And I found hot voice, and I'mlike, hold on, sweet, and I
found out everybody's from NewOrleans, and it's just like
this, yeah, this is but like nolimit at the time.
Yeah, yeah.
So uh so you know when I used tolearn the big music, the energy

(33:01):
I think was I wanted to feelright now about it because I
felt like we say it.
They felt like they won't.
Yes, and then they thought abouttime.
And next week was you, this nextway that's easy, and it could be
the way they set a book.
So, so say my house came outthis week.

(33:24):
My house would have, you knowwhat I'm saying, like my face on
it, whatever, you know, my nameon it, whatever pen and paper
was on, you know, and they wouldhave like featuring.
And the featuring would be likeevery other artist probably.
And then when you open cover up,it would be like, hey, just so
you know, next week, this album,next weekend, that this album,

(33:47):
this album, this album.
And it was just laying it outfor you.
So you were prepared, like youknow, you're like, oh hell yeah,
I got something to look forwardto next week.
Yeah, like that when youactually have the belt to the
store and the album.
Essentially, you know, it waslike by downtown had Gal Raya

(34:09):
right there, he would cut slowor just come slow late, so they
would go down there, get thegood old movement album, and be
the first one listening to it atschool.
That's how many that shit wasfor so back when I got in the
high school, ours was uh pretty.
Yeah, we used to all the Faz anddid all the JSON back to the

(34:32):
moment.
So we had them to it.
Moving before we die, Turkwasn't there.
I knew Turk wasn't even willingto be there.
I knew Turk wasn't gonna bethere in the past because I
followed him on Instagram andhim was promoting that since I
didn't give it anybody today.
I'm doing part.
I won't say it was Houston,there was Houston something.

(34:54):
He was doing, he was doing well,no, he was hosting a part.
He would get value, he washosting for it.

SPEAKER_05 (35:00):
Turk wasn't willing to be there.

SPEAKER_03 (35:07):
But once and then said five million dollars like
it would make sense for Waynenot to be here.
Well, Lane started with thefour, was it so Julie came out?
It was then the big times wasthe same time, you know, I
forgot the third time was, butthen I was like, Oh yeah, it
makes sense for Lane not to behere.

(35:28):
I'm not sure forget.
Oh, yeah, I thought we just gotbetter.
Yeah.
Yeah, then I really agree withit.
I expected at some point for himto like maybe do a surprise ham
time a cameo or whatever.
You know, I thought that wouldhappen.

SPEAKER_07 (35:50):
But I was kind of like, you man, at some point I
was just saying, like, I don'tthink he was the uh dead.

SPEAKER_03 (35:59):
Yeah.
Now we have to back together, hewas like a Louisiana fest of
Wayne production.

SPEAKER_02 (36:07):
Well, it's Jimmy, welcome to Metal China, BG,
right?

SPEAKER_03 (36:15):
I mean Wayne.
Exactly.
I mean ja.
Yeah.
That's only about you back isJimmy.
And that's why like, you know,when I was telling you, they
were talking about uh making atour out of it.
So the first thing I thoughtwas, how how could you all even
approach Wayne about doing this?

(36:38):
You know like, hey, you gottatour by yourself, mate.
Bought a ton of money.
But hear me out.
Once you tour with us, you know,like yeah, exactly.
I can see him doing one show,you know, like a big finale in
New Orleans or something.
I can see that, but I cannot seehim showing up for all of it.

(37:01):
So I can't see him doing a tourof Melinet versus Cash Martin.
Or not Melinda versus, likethat's just you know.
I don't know if you're gonna goto go to bang on burning
pulling, but something wame isthis way the success of the
thing when it was telling thehighway.

(37:29):
I have to be jail, turn in jail,and we went to money.
I told them carriage money, andI'm good.
You you might want here, yeah.
You know what I mean?
And he's the third man in thename is tired of the baby's

(37:51):
family.
So I figured out why one thingwe have.
I thought we talked about J.
I was wondering how uh we had nobaby.
We stopped that you I waswondering how curious because
the city and myself and if theywent to famous songs, you know,

(38:13):
we're gonna put our list.
See Bill is really going to waitso long than the standard watch.
I think no one changed thatchange that.
Yeah, I mean I think it's prettybad new.
I was like it was pretty bad newbut right of hand that time.
We changed his name well, bro.

SPEAKER_07 (38:32):
Yeah, I can't keep up there.

SPEAKER_03 (38:34):
So I I think it was because that thing, bro.
Yeah, I wonder if not wonderingthe same performed with Mr.
Kissa.
Did they just let you know?
Yeah, it's like the same shit ashis person chopping.

(38:57):
Yeah, he might have done better,but then he like wake up for
normal.
I mean didn't see Murder get itout too and then go right back
in.
Yeah, but yeah.
I know, I mean, obviously, evenyou know, we don't know if he
didn't first time.

(39:17):
I'm gonna say he can say I can'tremember what the fuck the
second time was, but it's alwaysblowing my mind like if he can
get out of jail.
Do you mean they go where?
Yeah, or or anything.
He was in jail facing light, youknow what I'm saying?
And by the grace of God and amillion dollars you got out of

(39:37):
jail, probably would have flystraight narrow, right?
No, no, no, okay.
Oh, well that's but I'm lookingto talk about the one thing.
Oh, I feel like we'll win.
Uh something about K.
Yes.
A lot of people were surprisedwith something about K.

(39:58):
I remember what is you.
What shot then you came out?
Yeah.
Uh I believe it was coming.
I didn't know it was coming, butyeah, it made sense.
It makes sense because tworeasons.
One with impact that must be hadon first because it was more

(40:20):
shooting there on me.
And we know Let me ask yousomething because you know we're
talking about the age differencehere.
So do you remember the dogbother rival?

SPEAKER_06 (40:30):
No.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (40:34):
No, then they say the fuck out of the snoop.
No.

SPEAKER_02 (40:42):
Boom, boom! I don't know about sneak about them.
Oh, I think in the research.

SPEAKER_03 (40:54):
That's even funny part, too, is because the first
uh Snoop Dogg album the name istoo soul not to be told.
Because it wasn't Snoop.
You know what I'm saying?
It wasn't his style.
And Snoop, under a differentproduction, try to be some.

(41:16):
So that's why if you go back togo back to real, and this is
something that I don't know ifyou know about knowing it, Top
Dog.

SPEAKER_06 (41:26):
That was not the real name of it, Richmond.
The real name of it was just TopDog.

SPEAKER_03 (41:32):
When he first came to uh, like, you know, he's
like, I want to make this thecovering of sound about this
kind of production, everythingtoo.
It's like it's not Chuba willnot associate with this with no
limit because you look at thatcover and you listen to that.
That was not this not that's nota whole limit thing.

(41:55):
The whole thing, a limit thing,yeah.
Yeah, but like, yeah, theproduction was like mainly not
in-house, and the cover was nota pin and pixel cover, really.
And so he was like, people arenot gonna know it was a no
limit.
So he basically got him to putno limit top dog on it.
So they could see that theyreleased though.

(42:17):
Hey, what's the no limit album?
Yeah, okay.
Well, no limited button.
That album is no album, but toothat is the better one.
Yeah, and I didn't know thatShiru has some unreleased
tracks.
I'm gonna do that already.
And then unreasoned track is no,and who released the why Snoop
was on the looking at.

SPEAKER_05 (42:36):
Oh, uh, which which one are you talking about?
Well smoking.

SPEAKER_06 (42:47):
I don't think actually, I don't think Snoop's
on that album.
That's not Snoop on that album.
That's them dissing Snoop.
And they had this guy on therecalled the realist.
It sounds like two.

SPEAKER_03 (42:57):
But good out this.
Yeah.
But I almost like I said, I wentthrough it down a rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_01 (43:06):
Shook had unreleased tracks, so he really, I won't
say it was two albums of Snoop.

SPEAKER_06 (43:10):
I do remember one of I know it was like the most
covered without him on likeprison bars or something.
Yep.
Yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (43:18):
He released, like I said, he released it in between
Snoop's two projects on NoLimit.
And but like I tell DQ or Queg,I was like, I don't when I think
of Snoop, like I have this imageof Snoop, and I got a bunch of
singles and songs that pop up inmy head.
I don't remember beforelistening to it, I don't

(43:40):
remember none of them songs.
It's like he I know he wasthere, besides that from my
right, I know he was there.
Yeah, but I don't remember thesongs besides that one song.

SPEAKER_06 (43:54):
Was that one even on his album?

SPEAKER_03 (43:57):
No, that was on C Murder's album wasn't which is
the all tag that's the honestwith you, dude.

SPEAKER_06 (44:05):
I don't either.
I couldn't sit here and name anysongs that he did, like off the
top of my head.
Like if you were to come to meand say, hey, name Snitton Dog
song off of Noah, I would tellyou that song right there, and
that's not a sleep song.

SPEAKER_01 (44:24):
Which is crazy.
It's feature snewed, it's amassive nude, but it's not old.
Very comfortable, yeah.
And that's back when songs wereon albums, like, you know what I
mean?
Not everybody sure.
Um we just I gotta fucking look.
Yo, we we again training, we wasriding around and we was
listening listed the songs, andI was like, Yeah, I don't

(44:44):
remember that.
I don't remember that.
Now listening to it post verses,I was like, okay, I slightly
remember, I remember hearingthis, but I don't if you if you
asked me to give you top 10Snoop Dogg songs, there wouldn't
be a uh a no-limit song cornerat all.

SPEAKER_06 (45:02):
Okay, so down from I is actually on No Limit Top Dog.

SPEAKER_01 (45:07):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06 (45:09):
Yeah, so we do, yeah, so we do remember one.

SPEAKER_01 (45:12):
I really thought that wasn't C Murders.
Um because I've lived a story,they talked about C Murder's
like I'm going to the studioright now, forget it.

SPEAKER_06 (45:18):
Bitch please, New Dog and Exit.

SPEAKER_01 (45:21):
Was that on Top Dog too?

SPEAKER_06 (45:23):
Yup, yeah, them too.
So those are the only two I knowof that one.
All right, let's see.

SPEAKER_01 (45:29):
Because like you said, Top Dog, I want to say Dre
produced OD.
Like I said, not like the whole,not the whole entire album.

SPEAKER_06 (45:38):
I've been looking at this games to be sold.

SPEAKER_03 (45:41):
Okay, paper paper.
Yeah.
Jenny Juice 2.
Yeah, I didn't even know ofanything.
I didn't either.

SPEAKER_01 (45:49):
Didn't know that was a thing, so I'm listening to it,
man.
And I'm not saying I'm not gonnalisten to it again, but probably
not going to probably not.
But so Snoop, a lot of peoplesurprised me Snoop came out.
But I like to say it was tworeasons.
The impact that Master P had inDN2, that's that's the

(46:12):
personality of Snoop.

SPEAKER_03 (46:13):
Is like you doing this, no, Vegas ain't that far
from that way.
Look out of the man fight forme.

SPEAKER_06 (46:19):
All right, I'm being that is the thing about Snoop is
Snoop always shows love.
Snoop always Snoop is thatperson that just pops up.
Can you at least expect it?
It's interesting.
And for that kind of thing,you're right, man.
For it to be in Vegas, so closeto where you know LA.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (46:36):
Snoop looked at it.
He was playing with hisgrandkids, and then he said,
Pete Carl said, Hey, can you forsure?

SPEAKER_05 (46:43):
Yeah, I'll be there.

SPEAKER_01 (46:44):
Yeah, and that was the end of the conversation.
That's it.
They ain't talked since, andthen doors open, Snoop.
He was like, I know Snoop saidhe's coming, he'll be here.
Yeah, doors open, there comesSnoop.
Because you it's just that fitsSnoop's personality.
Yeah, it is that the devil formy the song, the story is so
see, Werner was like all theback and forth.

(47:07):
They was threatening Snoop andthey trying to heal, they're
trying to get Snoop.
Yeah, yeah.
And he was like, I've been hurt.
What's Custom Studio?
And let me make this loud andclear.

SPEAKER_03 (47:20):
Yeah, mess with him.
Yes.
That's yours.
Yes, that's that's a wholefucking song right there.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (47:30):
So the to know that, like Snoop is a West Coast dude.
Imagine P and him end up goingto LA and all of that, and they,
you know, had like hell, theyhave stations in Louisville,
basically.
I wanna call them stations, butthey have a presence in
Louisville.
They had a presence in atCowpoint.
Yeah.
I mean, don't let me do it tome.

(47:50):
Yes.
But to Snoop being from overthere, he goes to New Orleans,
live in New Orleans for a littlebit, because they try to protect
Snoop.
And too fact, and then be like,you know what?
We got your back.
Even if you go out there, we getyour back.
Don't even worry about it.
That's a different type of ride.
That's why I said, I knew Snoopis gonna be dirt.

(48:12):
As soon as I seen Burns, don'tlook at Bursters of them.

SPEAKER_06 (48:15):
Yeah.
They took care of him in so manyways.
And you gotta think too, thisyou know, a whole different
thing, but you gotta think thatthey would have wanted to do the
same thing, put your body.

unknown (48:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (48:32):
Because there's a lot of talk, you know what I'm
saying, the master P and Tupac,and I'm saying they're like cool
with each other instead of thesame.

SPEAKER_06 (48:42):
I feel like he would have done the same thing, get
him out of that situation.

SPEAKER_01 (48:46):
Which crazy paid all the money this thing did shoot
to your Baltimore, they didstill drop the albums and all
that.
That's all you can go down thewhole shoe right album.
But so let's get into it.
Who do you think won?
Because personally, I feel likeI feel like no one will won.

SPEAKER_05 (49:02):
Oh yeah.
No, no, no question.
Yeah, no question at all.
I mean, I feel like Mia X wasdoing DP.
Bro, Mia X and I gotta say Mac.

SPEAKER_06 (49:20):
Because Mac, I feel like Mac did his thing.
And like, you know, we hadtalked about like him being in
jail for so long, he was sayingcut back out of everything.
He he looked very like happy,you know what I'm saying?
Like to be there and to be ableto do this.
And he also looks like somebodywho I don't know, man.

(49:42):
He looked very humble and happyand just he was very yeah, yeah.
I'm saying dude, he was likevery appreciative at that
moment.
Yeah, he looks like somebody whohe went to jail and he used his
time wisely, came out and wasjust a very smart motherfucker.

SPEAKER_03 (49:57):
That you make sense, yeah.
That's what you're supposed toexactly.
That's what it was real and likereaffirmation.
You see, see, yeah, you see somepeople come out there's like
you're back be back in there.

SPEAKER_06 (50:08):
He came out, man.
I didn't even recognize who itwas at first.
Somebody had told him aboutthat's fine.

SPEAKER_03 (50:13):
Oh shit, he's out of jail.
That's right.
It's like, oh shit, damn.

SPEAKER_01 (50:18):
And you see, like you heard the you heard the
stories, like you hear the badbusiness a little bit with P,
but you heard it a lot with BurnMan.

SPEAKER_03 (50:29):
You hear yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_06 (50:31):
You hear P you hear P falls with people, but you
also hear the P rectified shit.
You don't necessarily hear thatmuch with Bird Man.

SPEAKER_01 (50:48):
You do you do not, but yeah, I think, like I said,
me ex the MVP.
Uh I do want to shout out, solike not MVP, but like Judy kind
of held it down for cash moneybecause Wayne wasn't there.
Now, if Wayne was there, look,if Wayne and Turk was there, I
feel like it would have gave medifferent feet.

(51:08):
I think cash money might havemight have.

SPEAKER_06 (51:10):
It would have it would have been a very fucking
even like for sure.

SPEAKER_01 (51:14):
It's not even when you only got half the.

SPEAKER_06 (51:16):
Yeah, I'm saying, like, you got over here six,
seven people or something likethat.
And they literally called NoLimit to come to the stage, and
it was an army of people justcoming out.

SPEAKER_03 (51:31):
Then it was a bunch of it was in the fatigues, too.
Yes, I'm saying you had to do itin the fatigues.
I had to do it in the fatigues.

SPEAKER_01 (51:37):
Yeah, I wish they had a tank number.

SPEAKER_03 (51:39):
Yeah.
I wish no limit had a tankover.
I swear I wish no limit had atank on her.
But so listening, like I lookedat the watch me.

SPEAKER_01 (51:49):
Back that ass up was the last song.
Which when I looked at theverses going in, that was the
only song I felt like, eventhough I thought Cash Money was
gonna win, that was the onlysong that I feel like to
guarantee.
Because Back Bad Ass Up isplayed everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 (52:07):
You know what I mean?
Everywhere by everybody.

SPEAKER_00 (52:12):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (52:12):
They play that in the country clubs.
Yes, they can play that in theuh the course the hip-hop clubs,
but uh hell, even the rockersplay that.

SPEAKER_06 (52:21):
I'll tell you, it's a completely uh different kind
of thing.
But I don't know if you'venoticed since the verses, but if
you go on YouTube now, there area ton of videos of people
talking about like no limit now.
Like suddenly there's a hugeinterest again in No Limit.

(52:41):
And people wanting to know NoLimit, wanting to know, you
know, too, that music and likethat time and everything.
And it's like hopefully they canfind something that's kind, you
know, like make them say, uh,that's not as close, I guess, as
you can get to back that asset.

SPEAKER_03 (53:00):
Yeah.
But even then I you ain'tgetting, no, no, you ain't make
them say any fresh.

SPEAKER_06 (53:08):
That thing can do wonders.

SPEAKER_01 (53:13):
Hell.
I know it was post-time, like itwas it, like I said, it was you
gotta do a cutoff time.

SPEAKER_03 (53:20):
But if go DJ come on, that's when I knew Wayne was
that dude.
Go DJ?
Yes.
That's all Manny just kept it.

SPEAKER_06 (53:39):
Manny's beats around that time, man.
Uh Jubies in my life.
All the beats.

SPEAKER_05 (53:49):
We got I was like, we gotta have a message too.

SPEAKER_01 (53:52):
Manny is very because he only produced so much
for no for cash money, he ain'tstart producing the other
people, so like wait, wait, likeif we sat here and we did you
know, like no limit prime, cashmoney prime right with that.

SPEAKER_06 (54:13):
No limit did some shit.
But if we sat here with KLCversus Manny Fresh, look, I love
KLC, don't get me wrong.
Manny Fresh is different.
Manny Fresh is iconic.

SPEAKER_03 (54:28):
Manny First Z is on a whole different look.
It's different, different.
Yeah, but he's in a but like Isaid, he don't get the credit
for it because he produced justfor cash money for so long.
Yeah, that people for yeah, howwell I maybe not forget they
don't recognize.
I think that's what it is.
They don't they don't recognizehow great many first of all is.

(54:51):
Yeah, that's the biggest hitthat you can think of on cash
money.
It's all it's him, yeah.
Who can stand your ha?

SPEAKER_06 (54:59):
Okay, who did that one?
I wonder, go DJ, who did thatone?
That's a wonder.
Uh Rich did that.

SPEAKER_05 (55:09):
He did every fucking song, you know?

SPEAKER_03 (55:15):
Because we can all transition to this post next.

SPEAKER_06 (55:21):
I was very shocked the first time I heard that.
I liked it.
I did.
I liked Nitty.
So like you know, you know, I'mnot the biggest, like, I like
Jay Z, but that's not thebiggest fan of him.
It's not my thing.

(55:42):
So when I heard him on that,that was like one of the first
times where I was like, youknow, this Jay-Z fella, he's
alright.

SPEAKER_01 (55:51):
I like they didn't get it because of what the what
it meant, like, okay, these NewYork rappers, they recognize it
sound, yeah, like something tosay, even more so than they
already did.
Wait, they did.

SPEAKER_06 (56:06):
The verse was the verse was, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (56:10):
The verse was, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (56:12):
I don't think that's because I feel about word
because I didn't want to say itwas bad, because it wasn't, but
he it wasn't as bad, but itwasn't, it wasn't Jay-Z.

SPEAKER_03 (56:22):
It wasn't Jay-Z.
What we expected from Jay-Z.
But uh we said it was like diet,Jay-Z.
Isn't this very zero sugar,Jay-Z?
Yes.
That's what this is very what itis.
Jay-Z with aspartame.
Yeah, yeah.
Not even diet.
We're going to strike the zerosugar.
Yeah.
Uh any other thoughts on the uhno limit cash money versus no,

(56:44):
but that just made me think ofsomething else when he said
that.

SPEAKER_06 (56:46):
So go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 (56:47):
Okay.
Don't know if Jay actually saidnobody could beat him in a
versus.
Yes.
But it is going around socialmedia.
Yes.
Jay said if they said it was onthe Twitter space, that Jay said
he could be nobody could beathim in a versus.

SPEAKER_03 (57:04):
And Jay on the Twitter space just don't seem
that don't seem.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:09):
But at the same time, but so it's like I said
before.
It's like, what if he did sayit, what is he supposed to say?
It's like LeBron, I mean,Michael Jordan saying, yeah,
LeBron's better than me.
Yeah.
Or Tom Brady saying Faye Men'sbetter than me.
If you a person at that level,I'm never gonna say nobody's
better than me.

SPEAKER_03 (57:28):
So I had three names for a potential Jay-Z first.
Okay.
You said you got two, right?
Two, yes.
I'm pretty sure we're going tocross at least one name.

SPEAKER_05 (57:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:40):
If not both of yours.
Yeah.
So uh I'm gonna start off withmy first name and you tell me if
it's one of yours.
My first name is MB.

SPEAKER_03 (57:51):
Cause I mean, you look.
Who else?

SPEAKER_01 (57:56):
That's really what it was.

SPEAKER_06 (57:57):
That's like I mean, of course there are other
people.
But if you're gonna sit thereand try to think of somebody on
that level to compete withJay-Z, get it.

SPEAKER_01 (58:10):
My first my first thought was my first thought.
Well, that's actually what I'msaying about.
My second thought was again.

SPEAKER_03 (58:15):
My first thought I did say, I give Timonios.
Wayne.
That was that was my firstthought.

SPEAKER_01 (58:23):
Yeah, was Wayne.
Yeah.
Because it's the that generationversus this generation, then
they kind of coincided a littlebit.

SPEAKER_06 (58:33):
Uh uh that time when uh Destiny's Child, Soldier.

SPEAKER_03 (58:39):
Soldier, yeah, yes, yeah.
That was around the time thatthey were talking about Jay-Z
was gonna sign him the rocketfellow.
Yeah, and then Wayne got Skybecame like, I'll just make you
the fucking president of thecompany.

SPEAKER_01 (58:52):
Then everything's still changing.
Yes, yes, but so those were twoof my names.
I have a third.

SPEAKER_06 (58:59):
I think I have an idea.
Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 (59:01):
There was another name that I'm gonna throw out
that some other people said thatI've heard, but uh, I don't see
them.
Actually, there's two of them.
I don't see them.
Okay, but I was saying now, asyou say, there's two.
I think I know them, but goahead.
Cool.
The other name I has thought ofwas Nas.

SPEAKER_06 (59:18):
Okay, that was not neither one of the names I was
thinking about, but that wasactually something that I was
thinking earlier was Nice.
Yeah, because you go back toobviously Ether.
That was the first time that wesaw Jay ball.
That was the first time that Jaytook a fucking loss.

SPEAKER_03 (59:43):
Take off was good.
Take off was take off, uhtakeover.
Take over, yeah.
Thank you.
Take over, yeah.
Take off.
It was really good.

SPEAKER_01 (59:54):
But look, dude, I'm looking at the sound of no
Vaseline, dude.

SPEAKER_05 (59:58):
That's probably the two bravest differences.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:02):
You don't think you know that's lane?

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:04):
Or you just remember the I was awesome when I say,
but what about hit em up?
I think those two, I think itwould be third.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:14):
I think the two is better.
I think those.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:17):
I think because of the impact, maybe that's why I
put it up or so high.

SPEAKER_06 (01:00:22):
Hit them up.
And I guess that's another thingwhere the age comes from.
Yeah.
Hit 'em up to me.
When that came out.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:31):
Oh shit.
Because he did say some crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:34):
He yeah, yeah.
I think I think I'm gonna listento it on my way.
No, I might uh I might have toupdate this.

SPEAKER_06 (01:00:44):
But I I've like you know, saying I've heard the skip
to like the last two minutes orsomething of the song where he's
just not even rapping anymore.
He just told us.
Yeah, he's like, this is howwe're gonna do it for all you
motherfuckers.
And then he just fucked Bobdeep.
And then as soon as he saysthat, just you hear his voice
switch, and it's like, ladiesand gentlemen, we are no longer
seeing Tupac Shakur.

(01:01:04):
This is now two yes, about toget one.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:09):
But I don't no Vaseline to me.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:11):
No Vaseline was I I think no for me, no Vaseline's
number one.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:17):
I I'll tell you another one too, but this one
isn't on a lot of people'sradio.
Real motherfucking jeans thateasy eat.
Yeah, yeah.
And I mean, so the beat andeverything, but also the part
where he says, uh damn me, theytried to they tried to fade you
on Dre Day.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:36):
But Dre Day only meant easy's heyday.
That's a good point.
I don't know.
So I thought about not.
So you said oh, uh, there wastwo names that people haven't
mentioned.

(01:01:59):
I don't think they fit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:02):
They got the records to go in this game.
But I personally don't thinkthey fit.
And the two names, one is Drake.

SPEAKER_06 (01:02:09):
I was gonna say when you said records, I feel like
Drake would have Drake, and thenthe other one's future.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:15):
I legit heard future.
And the the I what is I'm justgonna say this now.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:27):
The AI is gonna go, oh, me saying future is it's
gonna hurt you busting outlaughs, and that's gonna be the
quilt.
It's supposed to be the quilt,then it's gonna be like, yeah,
this is the point.

SPEAKER_06 (01:02:39):
Look, I'm sorry, okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:41):
You didn't both why did you do future like it?

SPEAKER_06 (01:02:45):
I like future.
Do not get me wrong.
I fucking love future makes somemusic sometimes.
No, made me just want to do somegoddamn toxic shit.
The facts are getting, but yeah,exactly for a reason.
Okay, but I'm sorry.
I I cannot put Percocets, MollyPercocets, or Sony Muncha up

(01:03:12):
against Jay-Z Cat Law.
Do I like future?
I fucking love futures music.
Yeah, I do.
That's uh I've been fuckinglistening to uh what's that in
the goddamn um what's that oneis March Madness.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, I listen to that quite alot.
I'm not a future guy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:33):
I I listen because future future was in.
I talk about the new and drills,but I've never actually get it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:41):
Or I don't get it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:03:43):
The thing that cracks me in, that's fucking
weird.
Because Tony Montana song, like,if you listen to interviews
about that, he'll tell, like,he's like, I was in there geeked
off of fucking, I was rolling sohard off of fucking like Molly.
I'm not really saying anything.
He's like, people come to me andtell me the lyrics all the time,
and I'm like, oh, cool, becauseI don't even know the lyrics.

(01:04:06):
He's like, I was so hot, that'swhy I'm like in there, like,
that's literally just because Iwas so hot, I couldn't do
anything more.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:14):
He said, I gotta find this interview.
He talks about I used to, Idon't know, I think he said I
used to do one, but whatever itwas, it was I don't do it no
more, but I still write it down.
Yeah, well, dude, that's like uhfucking 50.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:26):
When 50 first came out, you know, get rich and got
trying to get the song uh Idon't be dumb period.
I don't need shit.
Hang around and say I don't meanwhatever.
I say how all the time.
And then come to find out, he'slike, Yeah, I never even smoked
weed.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:39):
No, to me, I guess I I shouldn't give Future much
heat for because everybody elsedoes it.
Yeah, but once I heard Futuresay it, it was kind of like all
right, so I don't know howlistening futures.
But don't get me wrong.
So, Craig and George, shout outto them on the Miss Basketball.
They got on me because at the uhthey have like a year-end review

(01:05:03):
or wrap-up on your music apps orwhatnot.
Fuck up some comments is reallyhigh on my list.
They was like, but you don'tfuck a future.
I said, I ain't sounding on thelist of future.
I just said I ain't going albumdeep cuts because of that.
I ain't saying now single mightget through here and there.
Like March Madness, fuck up somecomments.

(01:05:26):
Yeah, those that's gonna crackthrough.
Look at the quality of the songsthat those are.
You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:33):
But the rest of it, not I don't, I could go through
his stuff, you know what I'msaying?
And like I can't take one songup each out, but I can, you know
what I'm saying?
I can pick apart from his wholecatalog, I can pick apart maybe
10 songs or something, you knowwhat I mean?

(01:05:53):
That I could I could fuck, but Ican't pick apart a playlist of
shit that I can sit down and belike, here, this can go against
Jay-Z.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:05):
That's it, yeah.
Can't do that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:08):
So, you don't see the teaching?

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:10):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:10):
What about the Drake?
Drake at the records.
Drake, but it's gonna come downto Pin.
And that's gonna be everybody'sargument with Drake's penny.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:20):
Because we know Jay wrote, we know Jay.
Well, not right.
Jay is a her.
And now that we we know Drakeright, Drake can roll for other
people.
We know Drake right, and we knowDrake can write, but we're gonna
look at it guy differently.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:36):
You're going against Jay.

SPEAKER_06 (01:06:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:40):
So I don't, I think the, I think Drake's gonna lose
regardless because of that.

SPEAKER_06 (01:06:44):
You can't, I feel like, yeah, Drake.
Drake would be going into alosing.
And it wouldn't, you know whatI'm saying?
He could be like, yeah, he wouldbe as far as like hits and
things like that.
Yeah, he would definitely be oneof the top.
I would say honestly, man, hewould be top two like if we're
gonna say it just hits Drake.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:06):
Yeah, more.
Yeah, more.
He is into Drake.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:11):
Love Wayne, don't get me wrong.
But Drake hits the Drake, yeah.
Drake does have more.
That hurts my soul to say that.
You can you know how people arebuying about it.
Yeah, no, it's true.
You know, I mean, the guy'sfucking like right up there with
the Beatles, you know what I'msaying?
For like number one.
So clearly, he's on a differentlevel.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:34):
Yeah, he is.
And that's not a shame to noother no other rap.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:38):
Like saying, Yeah, if you were fucking like have
any people to go against Jay-Zon that level, yeah, Drake and
N.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:49):
But for that reason, I don't think Drake is the good
versus for Jay because of thewell, one style of music,
obvious.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:58):
But two is like you said, it's the hits.
You gotta have somebody thatdoes the hits.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:04):
And the person I think, for me, Drake's battle, I
think is a person that everybodythinks for doing this Jay, and
it's Kanye.
I think Drake versus Kanye makesmore sense than Jay versus
Kanye.
Because also Pin.

SPEAKER_06 (01:08:21):
Yeah, Jay versus Kanye with makes no sense.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:24):
Drake versus Kanye with.
That makes more sense.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:28):
Drake and Kanye makes more sense.
Kanye and Jay don't make sensebecause of the fact one, some of
the sudden that Jay is gonnaplay, Kanye produced.
But then you look at Kanyeagain, right?
Majority stuff.
So it did be the same thingwe're looking at in with Drake.
Well, your pen versus that pen.
If we look, we look at Jay,you're looking at like an actual

(01:08:50):
hip-hop album.
Or like a rap.
No, it's a rap album.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:52):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:53):
Drake is more of a hip-hop album.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:55):
It's a hip-hop pop kind of thing.
Yeah, it's that's that's adifferent type of hip.
Yeah, it's a whole differentgenre of it's two different
genres of hip-hop.

SPEAKER_06 (01:09:06):
You know?

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:06):
Yeah.
No, that's perfectly so Wayne,uh Wayne uh Nas.
Who would you rather see no isthe mighty noise, Jay?

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:27):
You know what then?

SPEAKER_06 (01:09:29):
I would honestly go with Nas.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:32):
I would too because of the man.
If not, Jay, I don't know whoNas Doug is.

SPEAKER_06 (01:09:42):
If they did I remember very specifically, like
it's one of those things whereyou know, I grew up and I had a
little five-inch black and whiteTV that I would hook up to my
stereo to record music on the.
I don't know if you rememberthis, might be uh two old for

(01:10:02):
you.
The box.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:03):
Yes, yeah, you don't remember.

SPEAKER_06 (01:10:05):
So the box was a station that if you didn't have
cable, I do remember the box.
You would tune it.
Yeah, and they would like ifpeople would pay and they would
call and request video, yeah,and you could watch these
fucking videos.
And so uh Nas.
It was when he first came outwith Ill Mad and uh The World Is
Yours, and they startedpromoting on there and they

(01:10:27):
started playing on there, and Ihave to know oh good Nas, man.
I was just huge Nas, man.
That was like some of the onlyNew York like rap that I really
got into, and so I would love tojust see him against Jay-Z.
Just like you said, because whoelse would he go against?

(01:10:48):
But also because these are twopeople, you know what I'm
saying, that like carry New Yorkin a transitional kind of like
peering, you know what I'msaying.
If like here's like Ron DMC andlike, you know, Grandmaster
Flash and all these like peoplethat like were the the fucking
founding fathers of it, and thenyou have like some people coming

(01:11:12):
in, you know, like Jay-Z andpeople, but yeah, they carrying
on that lace, and I don't feellike anybody else could do like
a VYOR battle as well as thatwas too good.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:26):
No, I'm not because I uh Jayda went in.
Who did Jay?
I think Jada went against Fayo.
Yeah, which again makes sense.
Yeah, it's it's basically that,but on steroids with Jay and
Nas.
Yes, and like the reason, like Isaid, my main reason for wanting
to see Nas is Nas versus Jay-Zbecause in fact, I don't think

(01:11:48):
Nas fits versus nobody else.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:51):
I don't think Nas fits versus sick of him versus
anybody else.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:54):
I don't, he don't fit versus him there.
No, Nas don't fit versus Wayne,yeah, he don't fit versus none
of these other people.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:01):
The one person he fits that actually where it
makes music sense, like actualsense, not just you get up here
and play 20 records, and I getup here and play 20 records.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:12):
It's Jay.
Like if we actually put it on ashow and my music kind of go
coincides with your music, andit kind of has the same rhythm,
whatever the case might be, withit's Jay.
Yeah, and that's it.
That's the only person I canthink of with Nas is Jay.
That's the list for Nas.
Now, Jay, on the other hand,yeah, you could do, you can see
Il.
You can see Wayne, you can seeNas.

(01:12:33):
You L, you if you want to, youcan see Kanye and Jerry.
I don't, but you can.
You can point out reasons forhim.
You don't get that same feelingwith Nas.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:41):
So for that reason, if it's anybody, Jay versus Nas.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:45):
The question is, who you think will win?

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:50):
Now I'm putting your spike back a couple of so
between Jay and Nas, who youthink gonna win?

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:54):
Who I think would win?
Yes.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:56):
Look, man, like you say, love Nas, then love Matt
and says.
Is that 94 when that album cameout?
You look at it?
I feel like that was 94.
I think I was in sixth gradewhen that album came out.
I just what the what'd he say?

(01:13:17):
The deep steam, play me atnight, they won't act great.
The theme of hip hop has got mestuck like a crackpipe.

SPEAKER_05 (01:13:24):
I was like, I need this album.
But like, I love Nas.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:34):
And you know me, and Jay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:13:36):
Yeah, I even know I respect what he's done and all
that is not my shit.
But he was still there.
He was still there.
He would.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:49):
Alright, so we talked about these other two of
us that they could potentiallygo against the giant.
But let's say they went againsteach other.
Wayne versus Eminem.

SPEAKER_06 (01:13:58):
Wayne versus Eminem?

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:00):
Yes.
Who you got with?
Because I got Nas versus J andEd Jane, like I don't think I
said they got.
I got Jay.
I think it would be I think itwould be a little closer because
I think Nas would be purposeful,or the songs where he would put
his.
Like, kind of like Jay the D,like the Loc D versus Dipset.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:21):
Like, I'm gonna put on a shove.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:24):
I Jay's fighting is gonna come and print the perform
the records.
I'm gonna put on a shove shove.
So I think it's gonna be closerthan what like number one hits
would say.
Right?
Even though Jay's number onehits, uh, most of them family
with Lee Shiz will be outside.
That's not just still on thetruth.
He got I think he got fullnumber ones, and Beyonce was on
two of them.

(01:14:44):
At least she keeps on Hey man,what it do, what it is.
So we had a little technicaldifficulties, lost a little bit
of the rest of the episode.
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We catch y'all on the next one.
Later.