March 17, 2025 • 29 mins
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Can fevers in children be more than just a cause of parental anxiety? Join us as we explore the empowering world of homeopathy, revealing how it champions the body's natural healing processes without the need to suppress symptoms. Find reassurance in the knowledge that you're not alone in your concerns, and discover how homeopathy effectively treats the individual, not just the fever. We'll share personal stories and insights on easing the discomfort of fevers while maintaining their crucial role in healing.
What if the way we handle fevers today influences the rise of pediatric cancer? This audacious idea sparks a deep discussion on the historical and contemporary links between infectious diseases and cancer remission. With examples like Dr. John Coley's groundbreaking cancer vaccine, we ponder the implications of modern fever prevention. Gain practical advice on homeopathic remedies, focusing on symptom progression and the vital importance of hydration during illness, even when finding clean electrolyte options can be challenging.
Delve into the ABC plus F approach to homeopathy with remedies tailored to specific symptoms. Aconitum Napellus, Belladonna, Chamomilla, and Ferrum Phos each play a unique role in managing fevers, from sudden onset to irritability and mild inflammation. We'll also highlight Arsenicum Album and Bryonia for restlessness and anxiety relief. Our acute care podcast offers additional guidance on dosing and treatment adjustments, encouraging listeners to embrace the natural healing power of fever. Let this journey through homeopathy guide your family's wellness with confidence.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to Homeopathy at Home with Melissa
hey, melissa hey.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Brie, I'm excited to talk about fevers tonight.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Yeah, I love, I actually love this topic.
I think it was something thatused to really freak me out and
you see, all the time I thinkit's, in general, probably one
of the more common things thatwe see anxiety around or
questions about, so hopefullythis will be really helpful to
all of you listening?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, me too, you know right.
So before I learned that feversare good, I gave my children
Tylenol and Motrin and and a lotof parents.
So here's the reason why Iwanted to do this, this topic.
So we did a fevers and coughspodcast a long time ago so you
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could go back and listen to thatand learn about Dr Mendelsohn's
book and what he says aboutfevers and why fevers are good
and all of that.
But what I want to do tonightis just talk very specifically
about you know, give our ownexperiences, but also talk about
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fever remedies.
But I don't know that in thatold podcast episode that I
explained, we're not givingremedies to reduce the fever.
Homeopathy doesn't.
We can't.
We're not using homeopathicremedies to act like allopathic
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medicines, just in a natural way.
So it's not like we're givingbelladonna to reduce the fever.
So it's not like we're givingbelladonna to reduce the fever.
So I think we have to justreally remember that fevers are
doing a job in the body and youdon't want to suppress that,
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because suppressing a feverresults in more illnesses either
sooner or later in the longerright like a prolonged illness.
Yeah, you know, on the flip side.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I think, um more recently, I've noticed that I
think, in our desire to dosomething for our kids, um and
this is actually something Ithink I used to feel and I'm
recognizing it that it felt likewe were just leading them to
suffer.
And I think sometimes evenpeople in my life like when my
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kids are sick and I'm usingremedies the understanding, the
misconception they have is thatI am not treating it Like I'm
just letting them be miserable.
And, um, that does come fromignorance for sure.
So I want to maybe put you atease.
If you're, like new into thishomeopathy world or um have
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never used remedies or you'veseen people use them, you are
not.
I think there's a lot of fear tothinking, well, if I'm not
treating this, then it couldturn into something worse and
then I'm in a really bad spotwith the medical system.
But remedies do treat theperson.
You're just not suppressing thecondition or the symptom, so
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you can rest in knowing thatyou're not just letting it go
untreated.
Homeopathy really is differentthan most other, even natural,
modalities, that it really is aform of treatment.
You are supporting their body,you're not just letting it go.
So feel good that you're doingsomething, just the result is
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different than pharmaceuticals,right?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
So can you hear that?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
No, I didn't hear anything.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Okay, good.
So, um, and that's the, that isthe frustration that I hear
from parents too.
So thank you for bringing thatup, that that they're like you
know.
When we tell them don'tsuppress the fever, let it burn,
they're like I, my baby, youknow, and we know what it feels
like to have a fever.
Your body Usually, I think mybody always aches when I have a
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fever.
That's, that's my indicationthat I have a fever.
But I know there there can befevers without body aches.
But, um, you know that that thechild is, is suffering and pain
, crying.
And so when you know, as moms,when our children don't feel
well, we want to fix it, fix it,fix it.
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And if we can learn to thinklong-term health over short-term
gratification for lack of abetter word it's not just about
gratification.
Of course we want our childrento not be suffering, but I think
there's just this balance andit's really hard, especially
when you're a young mom.
You know I'm sitting here witha 17, 19 and 28 year old, so
it's like I'm done those days.
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Y'all you adults can justsuffer on through it.
But I haven't forgotten what itfeels like to have a baby or a
toddler or a young child who'scrying.
So homeopathy can come and umand support the person and we're
giving remedies to address thefact that there is a fever, not
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to reduce the fever.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
So what did go.
I wanted to add to one morething before we get to a really
great quote from an article.
I actually feel like when I'veused remedies when I have a
fever I can take remedies myfever might get higher, but I do
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feel but like the pain it's not.
It isn't at least in myexperience, so I can only speak
for what I felt that it wasn'tlike my fever got higher and my
pain and my body aches got worse.
I actually, when I've used theright, well-fitting remedies, my
fever might even be high, but Idon't have the excruciating
headache.
My body feels okay, I'm able tosleep.
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I'll wake up and feel that Ihave a fever, but I'm not
miserable like you will be ifyou don't do anything.
It Um, but I guess in myexperience I haven't always felt
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that.
I do think the unbearable stuffhas gotten better, even when I
have a high fever.
I don't know if you could.
What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I don't know when, I don't know when I've had a high
fever last.
I mean, I've run fevers, youknow, when I get the flu or
whatever.
Um, but, and it's body achesand that's just the worst part
of it.
And, um, you know, I'm usuallytaking Gelsimium and Belladonna,
because that's what I do, whichhelps the Gelsimium and the
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Belladonna help the body achesgreatly.
But, um, so, no I haven'tnoticed.
really, for me, when I take aremedy I get better.
So I rarely ever get worsebefore I get better.
But that that can happen and itno, I mean your fever going up
doesn't even mean you're gettingworse, right.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
But I also.
It's been a couple of yearssince that's happened to me Like
I haven't.
I have not seen that typicalprogression, but that's just.
That doesn't matter for today.
So, moving into some morehopefully really helpful
information to you, dr Tom Cowanwrote an article on fevers and
I think this was specificallyfevers in children and or a link
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to cancer and the benefits of afever.
So I'm just going to read thisquote to get us started.
Benefits of a fever.
So I'm just going to read thisquote to get us started.
He said those who have read mybook the Fourfold Path to
Healing this is in quotes knowthat the whole history of the
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treatment of cancer isintimately related to the
phenomenon of infectious disease.
There are numerous recordedcases of cancers going into
remission when the patientcontracts an infectious disease,
strep being the most likelycandidate to cure the patient of
cancer.
Strep has been used in cancervaccines, most particularly by
the surgeon John Coley, md, whoreported an almost 40% remission
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rate in patients with cancerwho received his cancer vaccine.
In modern oncology, thetuberculosis bacillus is still
used in bladder cancer as it isinjected into the bladders of
those with this form of cancer.
In fact, some pediatricians andoncologists have postulated the
modern epidemic of cancer inchildren as the predictable
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outcome of our mania forpreventing fever in our children
by giving them aspirin, tylenoland antibiotics.
End quote.
We will have that articlelinked for you, but it is so.
It's a really thought-provokingread.
I will say that.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, there's more to the article.
So, yes, that link will be.
So definitely read it.
Um, and that last sentence waslike a kicker for me.
Um, just like man.
Um, you know, I have one, myoldest.
I absolutely did not allow himto run a fever ever, because
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that's exactly what it was.
It was mania over.
Oh my gosh, the temperature'sgoing higher, he's getting
sicker.
I have to get this down.
He's going to have a seizure ifhis fever gets up.
You know so all the things thatDr Mendelson's book explains.
You know the benefit of feverand that's that, these myths
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around around fever.
So you know, before we get intothe remedies, you guys can do
an acute consult with us andthat you know that that'll be
linked on the in the show notesor the description also, so you
can do an acute consult and gethelp if you don't know what to
do.
So it's really hard for moms tothink in the moment and it's
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not impossible.
But if you find yourselflistening to this and you're
like I can't decide what remedyto give or what to do, do an
acute consult and take goodnotes and then next time so're
going to grow in this over timeif you're seasoned and you're.
You've been using homeopathy,you've been studying it.
Then listen to these remedies,right, and you're going to pick
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a good remedy.
Stick with it for 24 hoursbefore deciding, um, if it's
helping or not.
And the deciding factor isn'tjust did the fever come down or
go away.
The deciding factors areoverall.
Did the person's energy come up?
Did the fever change at all, upor down?
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Um, you know what else we did?
The mucus change.
Did more mucus start coming out?
That's a good sign.
I often think that's a bad sign.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I think a shift in symptoms in general is the most
common, because that could, thatcan look different depending on
the person.
It could even move to somethinglike their ear starts hurting
or it turns into a sinus thing,and I remember so clearly.
For probably the first coupleof years I was so discouraged
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using remedies because I waslike what in the world?
I feel like I'm changing everyday and you hear, like I'm not
supposed to change, but then thesymptoms change and I changed
them and I'm like it's not doinganything.
And that was really from amisunderstanding of what to
expect from remedies and what toexpect in the progression of an
illness, um, which I think wereally talked about in our acute
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podcast when we talked aboutacute conditions.
So I don't want to do all thisoverlap, but I do want to
encourage you.
If the, the fever tends to be, Ithink, the most short-lived
symptom and so don't be afraidof it.
I think a good fever,supporting the symptoms with the
fever will, it moves thatthrough quicker the progression.
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Now that might mean he wakes upor she wakes up the next day
with totally different symptomsthat you're going to take care
of.
But if you support a fever.
Well, in my experience withusing remedies over several
times a year or two of usingthem, you don't get fevers
lasting three, four or five days, right, I don't know.
(12:33):
Do you agree with that overtime?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
yep, yep, yeah, for sure, um, you know also, I'll
just throw in there that a lackof fever.
So a child especially, or evenan adult who never runs a fever,
there's something wrong withthat.
There's, there's an immunesystem issue, I believe.
Yeah, so, um, you know, most,everybody knows, the most
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important thing with fevers iskeep the person hydrated.
So what is?
You know?
That could be a rehydrationsolution that you make at home
yourself, um, or it could be anelectrolyte added to the water,
or an electrolyte drink.
My problem with electrolytedrinks is I'm not positive that
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I've found a really nice, cleanone yet.
Now, of course, also, I don'tbelieve we have to be perfect.
Yeah, do the best you can, butI'll just say, you know, I would
say we're definitely stayingaway from Pedialyte and Gatorade
, but there are some, there aresome.
(13:43):
There definitely are somebetter ones, but they're still
just kind of eh, you knowwhether they have just an
ingredient here or there.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
That's just not um, not the favorite.
I liked Redmond's Relight themost.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Um, it does taste pretty good.
My kids will drink it whenthey're sick.
It's not perfect.
It does have a couple things init that I.
I mean I love for it to nothave natural flavors or whatever
else.
They say, um, and I could makeit at home.
But let's be honest.
Also, when my kids sick, I'mnot about to juice lemons and
make them like it's just notgoing to happen, so you can make
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them little popsicles to stayhydrated.
Or for my kids, I would justtry to have them take a drink
once per hour.
Like take a drink of something.
It doesn't have to be a ton,but a drink a sip every hour.
I even saw like a medicalprofessional commenting, you
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know, on things that treat theperson, not the fever.
Like don't just think I haveone kid who always gets a high
fever, even when he was gettinga tooth.
Then the other kid could be alethargic little blob with 101
fever or maybe even less.
Like he just had runny fevers,but he looked like he was just
(15:03):
so sick, yep, so just keep thatin mind.
But rehydration back to that.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, just keep him hydrated and plain water might
not be enough.
So, you know, put someelectrolytes in it, make, find a
rehydration solution.
If you want to online, do yourresearch now before someone gets
in your family gets sick, andhave it on hand.
You know, whatever, if you'regoing to use a powder or a drink
or whatever and again, we'rejust doing the best we can.
(15:32):
So you know what you just saidabout treat the person, not the
fever.
That's what we're just doingthe best we can.
So you know what you just saidabout treat the person, not the
fever.
That's what we're going to talkabout with these remedies.
So what's our first remedy?
Bree.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Okay, so I like that.
You put this little acronym.
So I am going to say thatyou're like I don't know if you
can hear that militaryhelicopter house.
That was so loud to me.
This computer technology isamazing that you didn't hear
that.
Sorry, everyone, that was sodisorienting to me.
Remedies you put A, b, c and F.
(16:04):
That actually that my brainlikes that.
So that's the thing that workswell for me.
Those are first letters ofremedies A, b, c and F.
So first remedy is aconitumnapellus, or aconite for short.
So if you ever see us sayaconite, that's what we mean.
Aconitum napellus it is amonk's hood, a beautiful flower
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the aconite fever.
So obviously, for those of youwho know remedies in general,
the aconite covers a lot.
We're just going to focus onfevers.
The aconite fever will presentfast.
Melissa has a really good rhyme.
It's from the Cold and Flupodcast, podcast number five.
Or if you've been in ourgateway classes First, fast,
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fear fright.
That's when we call on aconite.
First, fast, fear fright.
That's when we call on aconite.
So it is typically a fever.
That is the the first symptomto present.
It's suddenly, so you have fastand can be accompanied by fear,
so it could be from a shock, orlike they were had a shocking
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situation that undeveloped afever, or there is a lot of fear
around the illness, so thatchild might be afraid that she's
getting sick and there's fearwith it.
It may present with a sorethroat, severe pains,
restlessness or anxiety.
It's a great remedy to give inthe first 24 to 48 hours of a
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cold or flu with or without afever really, but especially if
there is a fever, and can becombined with Bryonia, as in the
Banerjee protocol.
So I think the Banerjeeprotocol is Aconite 200 with
Bryonia 30.
Melissa and I I think we bothuse 200s in both of them.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yep, works really well.
Yep, love it.
So, um.
So the abc remedies, and then Iadded plus f abc, plus f um,
because those are going to beyour top four remedies, for you
know to, to address the factthat there's a fever.
And then we're going to talkabout some other ones also, but
the, the ABC remedy.
Sometimes people will combineall three of those, that's
Aconite, belladonna, kim andMilla.
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You could try it.
30 C in each of them.
Combine them if you want, oryou know, just listen to these
keynotes and see which one fitsthe best.
So the next one is Belladonna,which is deadly nightshade and,
um, I really like belladonna,200.
You could use 30.
Backing up to aconite, I like200 also, you could use 30 if
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that's all you had.
And so for belladonna, thinkinflammation.
So red, hot and high.
The belladonna fever is goingto be higher and the child might
have a red, hot, flushed faceor ears.
The child might have dilatedpupils and throbbing pains in
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the head.
With this fever, delirium couldbe present, along with swollen
glands, throbbing pains anywhere, fullness and congestion of the
ears or nose, and a bright redredness.
Bright redness and dryness onthe body.
So there may be convulsivemovements or epileptic attacks
followed by nausea and vomiting.
The child might have a drymouth and throat with an
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aversion to water.
With an aversion to water she'sthirstless and a sore throat or
earache might accompany thisfever.
So belladonna generally is ahigher fever, but it doesn't
have to be.
You can still use it in alittle bit of a lower fever too.
Some people just have thisreally hard and fast, like no,
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it has to be a high fever to usebelladonna.
I disagree, okay.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I use it all the time for any fever, but that is also
because I know it works wellfor my family.
So if you have a child in yourfamily or a person who responds
well to another remedy, don't beafraid to keep doing that, just
because you hear us talkingabout other remedies.
Okay, next one.
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So the C is for chamomilla,which is German chamomile.
This fever presents withirritability.
So you will see the chamomillatemperament and it's pretty
easily spotted.
They're very inconsolable,fractious, just very, very
irritable.
She may ask for a drink ofwater.
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You give her the water.
She doesn't want it.
So just don't know what theywant.
Nothing makes them happy.
She'll scream and be mad.
Obviously these are mostlychildren.
You might not do that as anadult, but you know, I mean, if
you have a really irritatedperson who's just mad I think
you've dealt with that in yourolder kids, melissa who they're
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just angry, they're notnecessarily crying, screaming,
but angry Um, she may want youto, she may want you to pick her
up, and then you pick her upbut she wants to be put back
down.
So think, just inconsolable,unhappy, don't know what they
want.
That's chamomilla, especiallywhen accompanied by pain or
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fever.
Yeah, teething fever is areally good example of a
chamomilla fever too.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Absolutely yeah.
When it's a teething fever fromteething, chamomilla is
definitely going to be a firstgo-to for sure.
So next up is farumfos.
So farumfos is iron phosphate.
And again, so Farumfos is ironphosphate.
And again, think inflammation.
But this is more mild thanBelladonna, so Farumfos tends to
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be pretty mild.
It's a great first remedy togive in a fever where the person
gets colds and sore throatseasily.
So it's great for the firststage of all inflammatory
disorders, like we talked aboutin the cold and flu episode
number five way back a long timeago.
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When a fever presents withinflammation, sore throat,
bronchitis or nosebleeds thinkof Ferrum Fos.
And this is also great for afever of unknown origin, where
the fever is the only symptomthat's present.
I like to use Farumfos.
You could do 6X just simply, or12X just simply, because it's a
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cell salt.
But you can also use a 30 or200C, a 30C or 200C if you want
or if you have experience withthat.
And then, backing up to Kim andMilla, I really like 200 C or
you could use 30 if that'sreally all you have.
So faranfos is just kind oflike eh, I'm not really feeling
that great low grade fever, justkind of don't feel good, but it
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is inflammation.
So you know it can be at thebeginning of the fever or cold
or whatever, or it could come atthe end, just whenever the
symptoms are mild.
I think of Farum Fos, okay.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I have never used it for a fever, but I know you have
.
Do you have?
One of your kids is Farum Foskid.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I wonder if I tried it.
Um, a lot of people do love itthough.
So that's the end of your ABCand F, that's the top four.
That's right.
We have some other options foryou.
Um, one of those other ones isheper sulf, so it's a big remedy
.
So, in regards to a fever Ithink a fever with chilliness
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and a sore throat think a feverwith chilliness and a sore
throat.
The throat hurts whenswallowing saliva.
The throat might be red withlarge tonsils, like the tonsils
are big and red and a dry cough.
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Heparosulf is typically notthirsty and they may be
sleepless, like not able to fallasleep.
We used to help herself.
I like it in a 200, but 30 canwork too, If that's what you
have what about you?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Do you use it?
Yeah, 200 or 16.
Yeah or 36.
Yep, yeah, heparosophia is goodin a lot, a lot of potencies.
Yeah, yep.
So the next one is Senna.
So Senna is not the same asSinchona, it's different.
And so for Senna, the Sennafever think GI issues like loose
stool and vomiting and lots ofchills.
So Senna has a lot of chillsover the entire body, followed
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by heat, so kind of like youknow, alternating between hot
and cold.
During the chill there'sshivering and shaking.
This person can also be prettyirritable and the child might
want to be carried, but carryingher doesn't give her relief.
So kind of like chamomillaSenna.
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I like a 6C usually, or I woulddo a 30.
I don't usually go 200, but Iwould if that's all I had.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Okay, our Seneca album is next.
With ouricum album you're goingto think weakness and anxiety.
So the arsenicum fever theperson may be thirsty for little
sips of water, they may havethe heated sensation or chills
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during the fever.
So I mean similar to arsenicumalbum.
In some of those ways they liketo be covered up during the
fever.
And arsenicum album is greatfor different kinds of
infections.
So you have colds, coughs, sorethroat, stomach infections.
It can be good for diarrhea,stomach infections.
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That can be good for diarrhea.
Um, if I remember off the topof my head to our Seneca album
is good for restlessness.
But the physical, like theycan't get comfortable.
Their body is restless.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
No, um, our Seneca album.
Yeah, our Seneca album.
Restlessness is from anxiety.
They're moving around becausethey're so anxious.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
There we go.
Okay, so Bruce talks is theother one.
Um anxiety restlessness isarsenic album.
So you have, I think that's ourlast fever remedy here.
I like that.
We kept it, I mean, prettysuccinct, so don't go crazy Like
these are good options.
Um arsenic album 3,200.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yep 30 or 200.
Yep, I don't like to go too lowfor arsenic yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, and if you have questions about using these
acutely, which fevers are, acutesituation, that acute care
podcast we did um, it was just afew podcasts ago, it wasn't
that long ago, yeah, so go backand listen to that.
We talked a lot about how todose, when, to know and to move,
all that kind of stuff, so thatmay be really helpful as a
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follow-up if you haven'tlistened already.
Yep.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Sounds good.
Thanks, bree, for talkingthrough fevers.
Listen, friends.
I hope that this brings yousome peace.
While we can't take away thefact that it's hard to watch our
babies be sick, we canencourage you that the fever is
good.
It's doing a job.
Let it do its job.
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Support the body as best youcan in other ways and let us
know if you need help.
Welcome back to Homeopathy at Home with Melissa
hey, melissa hey.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Brie, I'm excited to talk about fevers tonight.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Yeah, I love, I actually love this topic.
I think it was something thatused to really freak me out and
you see, all the time I thinkit's, in general, probably one
of the more common things thatwe see anxiety around or
questions about, so hopefullythis will be really helpful to
all of you listening?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, me too, you know right.
So before I learned that feversare good, I gave my children
Tylenol and Motrin and and a lotof parents.
So here's the reason why Iwanted to do this, this topic.
So we did a fevers and coughspodcast a long time ago so you
(00:52):
could go back and listen to thatand learn about Dr Mendelsohn's
book and what he says aboutfevers and why fevers are good
and all of that.
But what I want to do tonightis just talk very specifically
about you know, give our ownexperiences, but also talk about
(01:16):
fever remedies.
But I don't know that in thatold podcast episode that I
explained, we're not givingremedies to reduce the fever.
Homeopathy doesn't.
We can't.
We're not using homeopathicremedies to act like allopathic
(01:38):
medicines, just in a natural way.
So it's not like we're givingbelladonna to reduce the fever.
So it's not like we're givingbelladonna to reduce the fever.
So I think we have to justreally remember that fevers are
doing a job in the body and youdon't want to suppress that,
(01:58):
because suppressing a feverresults in more illnesses either
sooner or later in the longerright like a prolonged illness.
Yeah, you know, on the flip side.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I think, um more recently, I've noticed that I
think, in our desire to dosomething for our kids, um and
this is actually something Ithink I used to feel and I'm
recognizing it that it felt likewe were just leading them to
suffer.
And I think sometimes evenpeople in my life like when my
(02:34):
kids are sick and I'm usingremedies the understanding, the
misconception they have is thatI am not treating it Like I'm
just letting them be miserable.
And, um, that does come fromignorance for sure.
So I want to maybe put you atease.
If you're, like new into thishomeopathy world or um have
(02:57):
never used remedies or you'veseen people use them, you are
not.
I think there's a lot of fear tothinking, well, if I'm not
treating this, then it couldturn into something worse and
then I'm in a really bad spotwith the medical system.
But remedies do treat theperson.
You're just not suppressing thecondition or the symptom, so
(03:21):
you can rest in knowing thatyou're not just letting it go
untreated.
Homeopathy really is differentthan most other, even natural,
modalities, that it really is aform of treatment.
You are supporting their body,you're not just letting it go.
So feel good that you're doingsomething, just the result is
(03:41):
different than pharmaceuticals,right?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
So can you hear that?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
No, I didn't hear anything.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Okay, good.
So, um, and that's the, that isthe frustration that I hear
from parents too.
So thank you for bringing thatup, that that they're like you
know.
When we tell them don'tsuppress the fever, let it burn,
they're like I, my baby, youknow, and we know what it feels
like to have a fever.
Your body Usually, I think mybody always aches when I have a
(04:12):
fever.
That's, that's my indicationthat I have a fever.
But I know there there can befevers without body aches.
But, um, you know that that thechild is, is suffering and pain
, crying.
And so when you know, as moms,when our children don't feel
well, we want to fix it, fix it,fix it.
(04:39):
And if we can learn to thinklong-term health over short-term
gratification for lack of abetter word it's not just about
gratification.
Of course we want our childrento not be suffering, but I think
there's just this balance andit's really hard, especially
when you're a young mom.
You know I'm sitting here witha 17, 19 and 28 year old, so
it's like I'm done those days.
(05:00):
Y'all you adults can justsuffer on through it.
But I haven't forgotten what itfeels like to have a baby or a
toddler or a young child who'scrying.
So homeopathy can come and umand support the person and we're
giving remedies to address thefact that there is a fever, not
(05:21):
to reduce the fever.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
So what did go.
I wanted to add to one morething before we get to a really
great quote from an article.
I actually feel like when I'veused remedies when I have a
fever I can take remedies myfever might get higher, but I do
(05:44):
feel but like the pain it's not.
It isn't at least in myexperience, so I can only speak
for what I felt that it wasn'tlike my fever got higher and my
pain and my body aches got worse.
I actually, when I've used theright, well-fitting remedies, my
fever might even be high, but Idon't have the excruciating
headache.
My body feels okay, I'm able tosleep.
(06:06):
I'll wake up and feel that Ihave a fever, but I'm not
miserable like you will be ifyou don't do anything.
It Um, but I guess in myexperience I haven't always felt
(06:29):
that.
I do think the unbearable stuffhas gotten better, even when I
have a high fever.
I don't know if you could.
What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I don't know when, I don't know when I've had a high
fever last.
I mean, I've run fevers, youknow, when I get the flu or
whatever.
Um, but, and it's body achesand that's just the worst part
of it.
And, um, you know, I'm usuallytaking Gelsimium and Belladonna,
because that's what I do, whichhelps the Gelsimium and the
(06:53):
Belladonna help the body achesgreatly.
But, um, so, no I haven'tnoticed.
really, for me, when I take aremedy I get better.
So I rarely ever get worsebefore I get better.
But that that can happen and itno, I mean your fever going up
doesn't even mean you're gettingworse, right.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
But I also.
It's been a couple of yearssince that's happened to me Like
I haven't.
I have not seen that typicalprogression, but that's just.
That doesn't matter for today.
So, moving into some morehopefully really helpful
information to you, dr Tom Cowanwrote an article on fevers and
I think this was specificallyfevers in children and or a link
(07:37):
to cancer and the benefits of afever.
So I'm just going to read thisquote to get us started.
Benefits of a fever.
So I'm just going to read thisquote to get us started.
He said those who have read mybook the Fourfold Path to
Healing this is in quotes knowthat the whole history of the
(07:59):
treatment of cancer isintimately related to the
phenomenon of infectious disease.
There are numerous recordedcases of cancers going into
remission when the patientcontracts an infectious disease,
strep being the most likelycandidate to cure the patient of
cancer.
Strep has been used in cancervaccines, most particularly by
the surgeon John Coley, md, whoreported an almost 40% remission
(08:22):
rate in patients with cancerwho received his cancer vaccine.
In modern oncology, thetuberculosis bacillus is still
used in bladder cancer as it isinjected into the bladders of
those with this form of cancer.
In fact, some pediatricians andoncologists have postulated the
modern epidemic of cancer inchildren as the predictable
(08:45):
outcome of our mania forpreventing fever in our children
by giving them aspirin, tylenoland antibiotics.
End quote.
We will have that articlelinked for you, but it is so.
It's a really thought-provokingread.
I will say that.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, there's more to the article.
So, yes, that link will be.
So definitely read it.
Um, and that last sentence waslike a kicker for me.
Um, just like man.
Um, you know, I have one, myoldest.
I absolutely did not allow himto run a fever ever, because
(09:26):
that's exactly what it was.
It was mania over.
Oh my gosh, the temperature'sgoing higher, he's getting
sicker.
I have to get this down.
He's going to have a seizure ifhis fever gets up.
You know so all the things thatDr Mendelson's book explains.
You know the benefit of feverand that's that, these myths
(09:47):
around around fever.
So you know, before we get intothe remedies, you guys can do
an acute consult with us andthat you know that that'll be
linked on the in the show notesor the description also, so you
can do an acute consult and gethelp if you don't know what to
do.
So it's really hard for moms tothink in the moment and it's
(10:11):
not impossible.
But if you find yourselflistening to this and you're
like I can't decide what remedyto give or what to do, do an
acute consult and take goodnotes and then next time so're
going to grow in this over timeif you're seasoned and you're.
You've been using homeopathy,you've been studying it.
Then listen to these remedies,right, and you're going to pick
(10:33):
a good remedy.
Stick with it for 24 hoursbefore deciding, um, if it's
helping or not.
And the deciding factor isn'tjust did the fever come down or
go away.
The deciding factors areoverall.
Did the person's energy come up?
Did the fever change at all, upor down?
(10:55):
Um, you know what else we did?
The mucus change.
Did more mucus start coming out?
That's a good sign.
I often think that's a bad sign.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I think a shift in symptoms in general is the most
common, because that could, thatcan look different depending on
the person.
It could even move to somethinglike their ear starts hurting
or it turns into a sinus thing,and I remember so clearly.
For probably the first coupleof years I was so discouraged
(11:28):
using remedies because I waslike what in the world?
I feel like I'm changing everyday and you hear, like I'm not
supposed to change, but then thesymptoms change and I changed
them and I'm like it's not doinganything.
And that was really from amisunderstanding of what to
expect from remedies and what toexpect in the progression of an
illness, um, which I think wereally talked about in our acute
(11:52):
podcast when we talked aboutacute conditions.
So I don't want to do all thisoverlap, but I do want to
encourage you.
If the, the fever tends to be, Ithink, the most short-lived
symptom and so don't be afraidof it.
I think a good fever,supporting the symptoms with the
fever will, it moves thatthrough quicker the progression.
(12:12):
Now that might mean he wakes upor she wakes up the next day
with totally different symptomsthat you're going to take care
of.
But if you support a fever.
Well, in my experience withusing remedies over several
times a year or two of usingthem, you don't get fevers
lasting three, four or five days, right, I don't know.
(12:33):
Do you agree with that overtime?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
yep, yep, yeah, for sure, um, you know also, I'll
just throw in there that a lackof fever.
So a child especially, or evenan adult who never runs a fever,
there's something wrong withthat.
There's, there's an immunesystem issue, I believe.
Yeah, so, um, you know, most,everybody knows, the most
(12:59):
important thing with fevers iskeep the person hydrated.
So what is?
You know?
That could be a rehydrationsolution that you make at home
yourself, um, or it could be anelectrolyte added to the water,
or an electrolyte drink.
My problem with electrolytedrinks is I'm not positive that
(13:21):
I've found a really nice, cleanone yet.
Now, of course, also, I don'tbelieve we have to be perfect.
Yeah, do the best you can, butI'll just say, you know, I would
say we're definitely stayingaway from Pedialyte and Gatorade
, but there are some, there aresome.
(13:43):
There definitely are somebetter ones, but they're still
just kind of eh, you knowwhether they have just an
ingredient here or there.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
That's just not um, not the favorite.
I liked Redmond's Relight themost.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Um, it does taste pretty good.
My kids will drink it whenthey're sick.
It's not perfect.
It does have a couple things init that I.
I mean I love for it to nothave natural flavors or whatever
else.
They say, um, and I could makeit at home.
But let's be honest.
Also, when my kids sick, I'mnot about to juice lemons and
make them like it's just notgoing to happen, so you can make
(14:22):
them little popsicles to stayhydrated.
Or for my kids, I would justtry to have them take a drink
once per hour.
Like take a drink of something.
It doesn't have to be a ton,but a drink a sip every hour.
I even saw like a medicalprofessional commenting, you
(14:42):
know, on things that treat theperson, not the fever.
Like don't just think I haveone kid who always gets a high
fever, even when he was gettinga tooth.
Then the other kid could be alethargic little blob with 101
fever or maybe even less.
Like he just had runny fevers,but he looked like he was just
(15:03):
so sick, yep, so just keep thatin mind.
But rehydration back to that.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, just keep him hydrated and plain water might
not be enough.
So, you know, put someelectrolytes in it, make, find a
rehydration solution.
If you want to online, do yourresearch now before someone gets
in your family gets sick, andhave it on hand.
You know, whatever, if you'regoing to use a powder or a drink
or whatever and again, we'rejust doing the best we can.
(15:32):
So you know what you just saidabout treat the person, not the
fever.
That's what we're just doingthe best we can.
So you know what you just saidabout treat the person, not the
fever.
That's what we're going to talkabout with these remedies.
So what's our first remedy?
Bree.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Okay, so I like that.
You put this little acronym.
So I am going to say thatyou're like I don't know if you
can hear that militaryhelicopter house.
That was so loud to me.
This computer technology isamazing that you didn't hear
that.
Sorry, everyone, that was sodisorienting to me.
Remedies you put A, b, c and F.
(16:04):
That actually that my brainlikes that.
So that's the thing that workswell for me.
Those are first letters ofremedies A, b, c and F.
So first remedy is aconitumnapellus, or aconite for short.
So if you ever see us sayaconite, that's what we mean.
Aconitum napellus it is amonk's hood, a beautiful flower
(16:29):
the aconite fever.
So obviously, for those of youwho know remedies in general,
the aconite covers a lot.
We're just going to focus onfevers.
The aconite fever will presentfast.
Melissa has a really good rhyme.
It's from the Cold and Flupodcast, podcast number five.
Or if you've been in ourgateway classes First, fast,
(16:53):
fear fright.
That's when we call on aconite.
First, fast, fear fright.
That's when we call on aconite.
So it is typically a fever.
That is the the first symptomto present.
It's suddenly, so you have fastand can be accompanied by fear,
so it could be from a shock, orlike they were had a shocking
(17:13):
situation that undeveloped afever, or there is a lot of fear
around the illness, so thatchild might be afraid that she's
getting sick and there's fearwith it.
It may present with a sorethroat, severe pains,
restlessness or anxiety.
It's a great remedy to give inthe first 24 to 48 hours of a
(17:36):
cold or flu with or without afever really, but especially if
there is a fever, and can becombined with Bryonia, as in the
Banerjee protocol.
So I think the Banerjeeprotocol is Aconite 200 with
Bryonia 30.
Melissa and I I think we bothuse 200s in both of them.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yep, works really well.
Yep, love it.
So, um.
So the abc remedies, and then Iadded plus f abc, plus f um,
because those are going to beyour top four remedies, for you
know to, to address the factthat there's a fever.
And then we're going to talkabout some other ones also, but
the, the ABC remedy.
Sometimes people will combineall three of those, that's
Aconite, belladonna, kim andMilla.
(18:21):
You could try it.
30 C in each of them.
Combine them if you want, oryou know, just listen to these
keynotes and see which one fitsthe best.
So the next one is Belladonna,which is deadly nightshade and,
um, I really like belladonna,200.
You could use 30.
Backing up to aconite, I like200 also, you could use 30 if
(18:43):
that's all you had.
And so for belladonna, thinkinflammation.
So red, hot and high.
The belladonna fever is goingto be higher and the child might
have a red, hot, flushed faceor ears.
The child might have dilatedpupils and throbbing pains in
(19:08):
the head.
With this fever, delirium couldbe present, along with swollen
glands, throbbing pains anywhere, fullness and congestion of the
ears or nose, and a bright redredness.
Bright redness and dryness onthe body.
So there may be convulsivemovements or epileptic attacks
followed by nausea and vomiting.
The child might have a drymouth and throat with an
(19:32):
aversion to water.
With an aversion to water she'sthirstless and a sore throat or
earache might accompany thisfever.
So belladonna generally is ahigher fever, but it doesn't
have to be.
You can still use it in alittle bit of a lower fever too.
Some people just have thisreally hard and fast, like no,
(19:55):
it has to be a high fever to usebelladonna.
I disagree, okay.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I use it all the time for any fever, but that is also
because I know it works wellfor my family.
So if you have a child in yourfamily or a person who responds
well to another remedy, don't beafraid to keep doing that, just
because you hear us talkingabout other remedies.
Okay, next one.
(20:21):
So the C is for chamomilla,which is German chamomile.
This fever presents withirritability.
So you will see the chamomillatemperament and it's pretty
easily spotted.
They're very inconsolable,fractious, just very, very
irritable.
She may ask for a drink ofwater.
(20:42):
You give her the water.
She doesn't want it.
So just don't know what theywant.
Nothing makes them happy.
She'll scream and be mad.
Obviously these are mostlychildren.
You might not do that as anadult, but you know, I mean, if
you have a really irritatedperson who's just mad I think
you've dealt with that in yourolder kids, melissa who they're
(21:03):
just angry, they're notnecessarily crying, screaming,
but angry Um, she may want youto, she may want you to pick her
up, and then you pick her upbut she wants to be put back
down.
So think, just inconsolable,unhappy, don't know what they
want.
That's chamomilla, especiallywhen accompanied by pain or
(21:23):
fever.
Yeah, teething fever is areally good example of a
chamomilla fever too.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Absolutely yeah.
When it's a teething fever fromteething, chamomilla is
definitely going to be a firstgo-to for sure.
So next up is farumfos.
So farumfos is iron phosphate.
And again, so Farumfos is ironphosphate.
And again, think inflammation.
But this is more mild thanBelladonna, so Farumfos tends to
(21:50):
be pretty mild.
It's a great first remedy togive in a fever where the person
gets colds and sore throatseasily.
So it's great for the firststage of all inflammatory
disorders, like we talked aboutin the cold and flu episode
number five way back a long timeago.
(22:10):
When a fever presents withinflammation, sore throat,
bronchitis or nosebleeds thinkof Ferrum Fos.
And this is also great for afever of unknown origin, where
the fever is the only symptomthat's present.
I like to use Farumfos.
You could do 6X just simply, or12X just simply, because it's a
(22:32):
cell salt.
But you can also use a 30 or200C, a 30C or 200C if you want
or if you have experience withthat.
And then, backing up to Kim andMilla, I really like 200 C or
you could use 30 if that'sreally all you have.
So faranfos is just kind oflike eh, I'm not really feeling
that great low grade fever, justkind of don't feel good, but it
(22:54):
is inflammation.
So you know it can be at thebeginning of the fever or cold
or whatever, or it could come atthe end, just whenever the
symptoms are mild.
I think of Farum Fos, okay.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I have never used it for a fever, but I know you have
.
Do you have?
One of your kids is Farum Foskid.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I wonder if I tried it.
Um, a lot of people do love itthough.
So that's the end of your ABCand F, that's the top four.
That's right.
We have some other options foryou.
Um, one of those other ones isheper sulf, so it's a big remedy
.
So, in regards to a fever Ithink a fever with chilliness
(23:39):
and a sore throat think a feverwith chilliness and a sore
throat.
The throat hurts whenswallowing saliva.
The throat might be red withlarge tonsils, like the tonsils
are big and red and a dry cough.
(24:06):
Heparosulf is typically notthirsty and they may be
sleepless, like not able to fallasleep.
We used to help herself.
I like it in a 200, but 30 canwork too, If that's what you
have what about you?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Do you use it?
Yeah, 200 or 16.
Yeah or 36.
Yep, yeah, heparosophia is goodin a lot, a lot of potencies.
Yeah, yep.
So the next one is Senna.
So Senna is not the same asSinchona, it's different.
And so for Senna, the Sennafever think GI issues like loose
stool and vomiting and lots ofchills.
So Senna has a lot of chillsover the entire body, followed
(24:49):
by heat, so kind of like youknow, alternating between hot
and cold.
During the chill there'sshivering and shaking.
This person can also be prettyirritable and the child might
want to be carried, but carryingher doesn't give her relief.
So kind of like chamomillaSenna.
(25:12):
I like a 6C usually, or I woulddo a 30.
I don't usually go 200, but Iwould if that's all I had.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Okay, our Seneca album is next.
With ouricum album you're goingto think weakness and anxiety.
So the arsenicum fever theperson may be thirsty for little
sips of water, they may havethe heated sensation or chills
(25:44):
during the fever.
So I mean similar to arsenicumalbum.
In some of those ways they liketo be covered up during the
fever.
And arsenicum album is greatfor different kinds of
infections.
So you have colds, coughs, sorethroat, stomach infections.
It can be good for diarrhea,stomach infections.
(26:05):
That can be good for diarrhea.
Um, if I remember off the topof my head to our Seneca album
is good for restlessness.
But the physical, like theycan't get comfortable.
Their body is restless.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
No, um, our Seneca album.
Yeah, our Seneca album.
Restlessness is from anxiety.
They're moving around becausethey're so anxious.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
There we go.
Okay, so Bruce talks is theother one.
Um anxiety restlessness isarsenic album.
So you have, I think that's ourlast fever remedy here.
I like that.
We kept it, I mean, prettysuccinct, so don't go crazy Like
these are good options.
Um arsenic album 3,200.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yep 30 or 200.
Yep, I don't like to go too lowfor arsenic yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, and if you have questions about using these
acutely, which fevers are, acutesituation, that acute care
podcast we did um, it was just afew podcasts ago, it wasn't
that long ago, yeah, so go backand listen to that.
We talked a lot about how todose, when, to know and to move,
all that kind of stuff, so thatmay be really helpful as a
(27:12):
follow-up if you haven'tlistened already.
Yep.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Sounds good.
Thanks, bree, for talkingthrough fevers.
Listen, friends.
I hope that this brings yousome peace.
While we can't take away thefact that it's hard to watch our
babies be sick, we canencourage you that the fever is
good.
It's doing a job.
Let it do its job.
(27:36):
Support the body as best youcan in other ways and let us
know if you need help.
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