December 9, 2024 • 45 mins
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Could homeopathy be the future of healthcare? Join us as we explore this intriguing possibility with our special guests, Kieran Grover, a third-generation homeopath from the UK and Melissa Crenshaw, a pioneering first-generation homeopath from the US. Together, we examine the rich legacy and growing acceptance of homeopathy, particularly in the US following the COVID-19 pandemic, contrasting it with its more established footing in the UK and Europe. Kieran provides a deep dive into the historical context and future growth potential of homeopathy worldwide, while we also discuss the varying regulatory landscapes and their impact on homeopathic practices in both regions.
Our discussion continues with a focus on the evolution of homeopathy access and practice. We highlight the decline of homeopathic hospitals and pharmacies in the UK due to governmental and big pharma pressures, juxtaposed with the rising interest and accessibility of homeopathic remedies in the US. Despite regulatory challenges, the US homeopathic community is thriving, with an increase in practitioners and the availability of remedies through various suppliers and online platforms. We also underscore the importance of being prepared with homeopathic kits for acute situations and the expanding network of homeopaths advocating for their practice.
In the latter part of our episode, we emphasize the empowerment of future practitioners through individualized coaching programs and the integration of homeopathy with other natural health practices. From managing business systems to promoting good nutrition, we delve into the vital aspects of building and maintaining a successful practice. Melissa Crenshaw shares her insights and extensive teaching efforts via her website, melissacrenshaw.com, offering valuable resources for both practitioners and laypersons. We wrap up with a celebration of the joy of teaching children to cook and maintain natural health practices, leaving our listeners inspired and optimistic about the vibrant future of homeopathy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, welcome back to our show today.
I'm so excited to have KieranGrover with us today.
We are going to talk about thefuture of homeopathy, and so
welcome, kieran.
I'm going to let you tell alittle bit about yourself, and
then I'll introduce myself toyour listeners.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Thank you so much, melissa.
Hello everyone, I am KieranGrover.
I am a homeopath based in theUK.
I've got a global online clinic.
I've been in practice now 17years, which always makes me
feel old when I say that, butalso I'm very honoured as well
that I've been in practice forso long.
I'm a third generationhomeopath, which means my
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grandfather was a homeopath, mygreat uncle as well, and my
mother's a practicing homeopathtoo, and I have a great passion
for homeopathy.
I always love chatting withMelissa.
We've worked, we've known eachother for a number of years now
and we've got lots of kind ofshared passions and views and
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everything else, and it's greatto join you, melissa, today and
have a conversation with you.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yes, I agree so much, and I also just always love
talking to you and getting tojust have these great
conversations about homeopathy,because I'm also passionate
about homeopathy and you know,what I always also really love
is you're you're a thirdgeneration homeopath, that you
have family members doing this,and I just love that so much.
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So I am just I'm a firstgeneration homeopath, so nobody
you know in my family has everbeen a homeopath and I was the
first.
So I'm I'm kind of leading thatway, but that's right.
I'm kind of leading that way,but that's right, and it was.
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You know, it was kind of weirdin the beginning because
homeopathy has not been big inthe US like it is in the UK,
right, so it.
You know, when I, when Istarted studying homeopathy and
became a homeopath, my familywas like, what are you doing?
But now they all see andthey're all on board and they
love it and you know they ask mequestions and they use it.
So I'm so thankful.
But I've been in practice for alittle over 20 years and I just
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but I went online in 2018.
So I started my online clinicin 2018.
Before that, I was meetingpeople in coffee shops and
libraries and or having peoplecome to my house.
I didn't have a, you know, anoffice and um, and so went.
Went um virtual on in 2018 andthen um COVID came and I was
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already set up.
I was already set up online, soit was just beautiful.
You know, people were like youknow, they didn't know how to
use zoom.
I was like I know how to usezoom.
I can teach you because I had.
I had already been doing it.
So so I love this topic thatwe're going to.
We're going to talk about todayjust the future of homeopathy,
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and you know what homeopathylooks like in the US versus the
UK.
So many of you know in the USit's just starting to get big.
Since COVID, we, most people anda lot of people still haven't
heard of homeopathy over here,but most people just heard about
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it for the first time.
After COVID they startedsearching for alternatives to
the mainstream medicine, themainstream healthcare system,
and so I love it.
I am super excited to see howit's just blowing up in the
United States, to see how it'sjust blowing up in the United
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States, um and so.
But I went to um, a UK basedcollege for homeopathy.
So CHE that was actually mysecond time going through
college.
I first went through with DrMurphy, dr Robin Murphy and I uh
, I found CHE through Dr Murphy,but it was really cool to study
with people in London, you know, because you guys have a whole
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different perspective and youall also are much more free over
there to say things and dothings with homeopathy that
we're not allowed to over herebecause of big pharma.
Tell me about what it feelslike over there.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Well, yeah, just to take a step back actually,
melissa, because you've madelots of brilliant and beautiful
points.
Homeopathy actually, I thinkgoing back a couple of
generations, was very popular inthe US and it almost got not
quite, but almost got shut down.
In the UK it's not been quiteso brutal and homeopathy has
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flourished, but we definitelyget every now and again, whether
it's Big Pharma or somethingelse.
We have to also be careful orwe're vulnerable.
I don't like to get tooinvolved in that kind of I'm
going to to sound like a hippiealready we're only 10 minutes
into the conversation into thatkind of negativity.
It's not my vibe.
But, um, from a positive pointof view, for me it feels like,
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well, there's an educationalelement and I know you're great
and and brilliant and really upon education and also an
information giving, a generosity, if you like.
This is what homeopathy can dofor you.
Yes, it's really important.
Well, not really important, butit's nice to know the history,
it's good to know the names, allthat kind of stuff, but
actually, what can it do for you?
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What can it do for your family,your friends, your animals in
your life, all that kind ofstuff?
It's potential which is so, soimportant.
You're right.
It's an absolute growing marketall around the world, which is
so exciting for all people whoare practicing homeopathy now or
patients who've been thinkingabout getting into practice.
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I checked this morning on theinternet and apparently, by 2028
, the global market US dollarsI'm not going to say this
properly 1377.9 million, so it'sthat that's where they expect
it to be in just a few yearstime.
Um it?
Although it's a germantradition and 57 of germans
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apparently use homeopathyregularly, it's also recognized
in switzerland completely as aform of medicine.
95% of French doctors prescribeit and the World Health
Organisation recognise it as thesecond largest system of
medicine in the world.
I'm going to take a breathbecause I think that's a really,
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really important thing.
So homeopathy is popular and isused in the UK, but sorry, in
the UK, just like the US, but wedo.
We have had a few things overthe years that I've seen over
the past.
Well, I've been qualified 17years, gosh, I studied more than
20 years ago and, like you, Iwent to CHE and that's where our
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paths crossed at the Centre forHomeopathic Education roster,
at the Centre for HomeopathicEducation, we have a few things,
I think, going our way in theUK that perhaps the US is still
catching up with.
It's really easy to buyhomeopathy here.
You can buy it from high streetpharmacists you know we've got
a big chain here called Boots.
You can buy it in a large Bootschemist.
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You can buy it in smallerchemists.
You can buy it in health foodstores.
And we also have our brillianthomeopathic pharmacies, many of
them based in London Helios,ainsworth, neils, yard, nelson's
all names that I'm sure many ofyour listeners will recognise.
So it's really easy to get yourhands on homeopathy.
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What they have done, though,which was a bit sneaky a few
years ago, I like to think ofthe tissue salts as often a
gateway into homeopathy.
So the tissue salts are veryeasy to use.
The 12-shustler salts are oftenreferred to as well.
You can combine them nicely totreat lots of kind of general
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issues that you might have inthe home yourself, your kids,
etc.
Common colds, period pains, allthat type of stuff they used to
sell.
There used to be a companycalled New Era and they used to
sell honestly everywhere,melissa in, you know, in all the
local pharmacies and stuff likethat Combination remedies.
They were called combinationtissue salts, so A would be for
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for I don't know, um, I can'tthink of what a would would have
been for, but b would have beenfor bruises, c would have been
for, uh, coughs and colds etc.
And with so it's an a to z, oran a to z, as you guys would say
, of different kind of commonailments and tissue salt
combinations.
So you could literally walkinto your pharmacy, know very
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little about homeopathy and goright, that's a natural remedy
for coughs and colds.
I'm going to buy that instead.
They got rid of it.
They got rid of it a few yearsago and it was one of the things
that I grew up with.
So it's one of the things Ilike to empower my patients with
.
But I have to give thatinformation.
So that goes back to that pointI was making about information
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giving and educating.
So we do also have to be carefulwithin the UK.
But we do have these wonderfulpharmacies.
We also have some wonderfulteaching schools.
So you mentioned the Centre forHomeopathic Education.
Like you, I'm a big fan.
I went there, I teach, I'm oneof their occasional lecturers,
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but obviously there are othersas well the School of Homeopathy
, etc.
And many of them are based inthe UK.
Well, they're all based in theUK, the UK ones, but they've
again got a global reach now,which means that people like you
can be in a different time zone, can still access that
education.
And British education hasalways had, for many centuries,
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had, a reputation of beingfantastic and the level of
education I think that we gethere homeopathically is
phenomenal and we are incrediblylucky and it's so nice.
Now, in this new market, globalmarket, can, you know, reach
people all around the world also.
Just one other thing, and then Ishall definitely pause for
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breath.
Finding a homeopath, I think,is quite straightforward here,
so obviously you can go to ahomeopathic doctor at one of
those homeopathic hospitals thatI um, that that I mentioned.
I mentioned the pharmacies, thehospitals as well, so I should
have said that too.
We've got we the pharmacies,the hospitals as well, so I
should have said that too.
We've got hemipathic hospitals.
They were created before theinception of our National Health
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Service, so they've been aroundsince 1949.
We don't have as many as we usedto.
We have less, and again that'sbeen to do with kind of pressure
on government etc.
Possibly from big pharma whocan say, um, but we do still
have those homeopathic hospitalsso people can access for free,
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on our nhs, a homeopathic doctor.
It's quite hard to get hold ofone these days, but they are out
there or they can accesshomeopaths like me or you as
well, because we're in thatglobal market um and um, you
know it's easy to find a greathomeopath.
I always recommend to anyonelooking for a homeopath look for
a registered homeopath, eitherwith the society of homeopaths,
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obviously in the uk, or thealliance um, because you know
that they're trained fully, thatthey're insured, they, they
sign up to a code of ethics.
You've got Nash over there.
I know you're with the Societyof Homeopaths.
So I think in the UK, althoughwe have to get into a bit of
fisticuffs every now and again,we're doing okay.
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How about you?
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, thank you for that.
You know what.
You reminded me that.
Yes, thank you for that.
You know what?
You reminded me that, yes, umyears ago we did have
homeopathic hospitals all overthe United States, in fact it
was.
We had those.
Our hospitals were homeopathicbefore the allopathic um, you
know, people took over.
So yes, you reminded me of that.
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It was big and then it kind ofwent away and now it's coming
back.
I don't know, if we'll havehomeopathic hospitals again, but
hopefully we will, and so toobtain homeopathic medicines, I
think, is pretty easy here too,so we do it, you just have to
know where to look.
So they used to be before COVID.
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They used to be in all of thehealth food stores and the
grocery stores would carry, youknow, big selections, and
they've kind of dwindled downsince then.
Well, and you know, I'm notblaming it on COVID, I'm just
saying, like the time frame.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, it marks something in the sand, doesn't
it, COVID?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, it had a lot.
It's got a lot to do with theFDA, so the FDA is doing a lot
over here and changing theirguidelines on homeopathy, so
that's why some of them havebeen pulled from the shelves our
eye drops but I think it'spretty easy to get remedies
because we can order from.
My favorite is Ainsworth's andHelios.
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Those are my two favoriteplaces to order and that's where
I always order from.
We do have US based pharmacieslike OHM, and there may be other
US based pharmacies, but that'sthe main one that I know of.
And then we have stores thatsell lots of homeopathic
remedies that you can just orderonline if you don't live in
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that state.
So I have no trouble gettingremedies.
I'm very, very thankful, andthen also that we have this.
We have a service here calledFullscript, and as a Fullscript
practitioner, I can I can passmy full discount of 30% off of
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all supplements and homeopathicremedies onto my clients, and I
do that so you can purchasehomeopathic remedies through an
account through me and get 30%discount, which is great.
They just don't have everythingthat you need, but they have a
lot.
So so, yeah, obtaining remediesI think is is just fine, even
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though you locally.
Here's what I teach in myclasses is be ready, order, have
a kit.
You need to have a kit on hand,right?
So for those acute situationsand because then you're going to
probably need to order anythingelse that you don't have, and
because the local stores, youcan't run to the store anymore
and just find what you need.
Sometimes you can, but it's alittle bit more difficult over
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the last few years.
And then, as far aspractitioners, man, they're
growing.
We have just so many more.
I'm in a large, very largeFacebook group for moms who are,
who like natural health care,and I used to be.
I was the only homeopath inthere for many years and now
there are several of us and it'sjust growing.
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It's just growing and growing.
How many people are becominghomeopaths?
I mean, I have four associatesthat work under me and take
cases under my supervision andand one of them went through CHE
, just graduated, and the otherthree are going through Dr
Murphy's program.
So it's just, it's just so funto watch it grow and see you
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know how, what's going on withit.
And then the you know wherehomeopathy is going in the US.
Again, I think that it's.
I think it's growing.
The FDA is trying to restrictsome things, but we're really
fighting that, you know.
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I think, just like, just likeyou said, in the UK, sometimes
you have to, you have to standup and fight things, and that's
okay.
Yeah, we just need to remindpeople.
That's what we call it thegovernment works for me.
I don't, I don't you know, workfor you.
So we just have to remind themum that, that we are.
You know we're a free country.
So, um what else did you talkabout?
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What else did I miss?
Something with the US, I think?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I'm.
You know what.
I'm glad you mentioned.
I'm glad you mentioned the cword.
I'm glad you mentioned COVID,because I think COVID really
changed everything.
Like you, I've had an onlineclinic, but it was like um, my
main clinic, central onlineclinic for people who had maybe
moved away from London or evenoutside of the UK.
It was there as an add on andwhen Covid struck and obviously
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all around the world you know,we all went into lockdowns etc.
I don't need to remind anyoneof that.
I decided to just email out allmy clients and say, look, the
physical clinic is closed, tojust email out all my clients
and say, look, the physicalclinic is closed, absolutely,
but the online I've got.
I wasn't as advanced as you,melissa.
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I had a Skype account.
I've got a Skype account.
If anyone wants to use it, letme know and we'll meet up that
way.
Every, absolutely everyone,down to a lady called Janet who
was 82, said yes, please, and Icould carry on seeing my
patients and that was fantastic.
And then I quickly moved toZoom, because I found that Zoom
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was just more fit for purposefor what I wanted to do.
There's more flexibility thereand, like you, I had a kind of
oh, you've not used Zoom before,that's okay, I'll email you a
step-by-step guide, which wasreally simple how to install
Zoom, because obviously for manypeople it's the first time
they're using anything like thatand it really helped me grow my
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clinic and reach that globalaudience.
And that's one of the things myone to one practitioners
programme that I teach how toput things in place so that you
and your client both have aprofessional and pleasant
experience in terms ofconsultation.
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So in the old I say the oldendays, pre-covid, in my clinic I
had a lovely well, she's still alovely lady a lovely
receptionist called Carol.
Carol would greet people, shewould sign them in, she'd move
their appointment, she'd takethe telephone, she'd take
payments, she would adviseWonderful, wonderful lady.
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When we went into that COVIDsituation it was me doing
absolutely everything.
You know, just you know,because all of us were working
from home or on furlough orwhatever was happening in
people's lives.
So now, like you again, I'vegot associate homeopaths and
I've got an assistant and itmakes the world of difference.
It's almost providing what youhad in a physical space online,
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so that the client feelscompletely looked after and
knows what to do andeverything's quite
straightforward for them, but,yeah, in the one-to-one
programme.
So one of the things that welook at actually is organising
ourselves and planning and usingall these systems, because
there's so many systems outthere and obviously one wants to
spend one's clinic money wiselybut, at the same time, also
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have things that are fit forpurpose and helps everyone.
Um, you know one of the thingswe look at well, what kind of
systems do you need whether it'slike a booking system or a
payment system, an accountancysystem and guiding people
through that to help them createthese global online clinics,
which means they could besitting in america, you know,
the uk, india, france it doesn'tmatter where they are or where
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their clients are.
Indeed, they can access greathomeopathic care, and that's
what it's all about really,isn't it Helping the client and
the homeopath get together, havethat conversation and then have
a prescription from it, and I'mso pleased to hear that you can
access homeopathy easily alsoin the states as well and you're
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right, helios and Ainsworththey will post internationally.
But there seems to be, wheneverI get a client in, like a new
far-flung place in the globe,and I go on to somewhere like
homeopathy friends or somethinglike that and I talk to
colleagues, they go oh yeah, no,I know a pharmacy out there.
And then, before you know,you're linked up.
My dog wants to come in.
Just bear with me, this is my.
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She's like.
She likes to do this.
It's it's UK time, threeo'clock, and this is her time to
go.
Hello, I'm awake and I want tosay hello.
So hello, penny.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Um, yes, sorry about that.
No, no worry, so, um, okay, soI want to just I, because I
think I know the answer to this,but I want our listeners to
know the answer.
When you're talking about yourone-to-one program, you teach
homeopaths how to have an onlineor how to have a, how to do the
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business side of the clinic,right, yeah, that's, that's what
you do, right?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
And the reason why I do that.
So there are lots of greathomeopaths out there who teach
and that's fantastic and they'llteach you about remedies and
how to.
And you do that.
Teach people how to useremedies, teach them about
ailments, what they can do,whether it's a small acute I say
small acute, if you've got achild with a fever at three in
the morning, it does not feelsmall.
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We've been there as parents.
We know what it's like but alsoequally through to more chronic
things or treating menopause,etc.
So there's a lot of people,there are some good people out
there like you, like HilaryDorian, who teach these types of
things and they're very, veryuseful.
They're not just useful,they're empowering people to be
able to take responsibility fortheir own health and those of
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their loved ones as well.
Because that's the thing, whenyou feel powerless at three in
the morning because your childhas a high fever or you know
you're running to the toilet orwhatever it is.
To know that you can dosomething's really important.
What I have supervised students,as you know, for over a decade
and one of the places I've seenpeople fall down.
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So there's.
They've spent energy and timeand money training and
homeopathy.
The one place a lot of peopleseem to fall down is building a
practice, and that's why I setup the one to one program.
There are other people who areteaching that and it's very
important.
I'm very glad that other peopleare teaching it, but the
difference of my program is it'sone to one, so it very much
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fits the purpose for thatindividual.
Everyone's circumstances aredifferent and what everyone
wants is different as well.
My was working from home andhaving a dog was really
important to me, but you talkedto another practitioner that
wouldn't even be on their agenda.
So the one-to-one program ismodule led and we look at
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everything from finance,finances, making sure they're
healthy or helping them tobecome healthy, pricing,
boundaries, systems, all thesedifferent things, and we do it
absolutely a bit like ahomeopathic prescription,
individualized and bespoke tothat individual person.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah, thank you for sharing that.
And so I have a group coachingprogram for natural health care
practitioners so not homeopaths,but other so your chiropractors
, your body workers, yourosteopaths, your lactation
consultants, anybody healthcoaches, wellness coaches,
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nutrition nutritionists ornutrition coaches.
And so what I teach in a groupsetting is, um how to
incorporate homeopathy intotheir, into their practice.
yeah, yeah um, so I was just so.
Yeah, I was thankful that youbrought up your one-to-one.
You teach homeopaths and Iteach other the other people I
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want, because you know what Iwant and you're sorry to
interrupt, melissa.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
You teach them about homeopathy.
So an osteopath who may be, oror acupuncturist who wants to
bring homeopathy into theirpractice, is that right?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
that's right.
I teach them about homeopathy,but I also teach them systems
and um case taking and casemanagement.
So some of the questions that Iget, um, I mean, I have, I have
pediatricians and nurses andand not, you know, health
coaches in there.
Some of the questions I get is,you know, like okay, well, so
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when this woman is texting meseveral times a day, what do I
do?
Of course, I have experiencewith that.
So, you know, I teach someboundaries and here's how you
set up your boundaries and you,you thrive.
So, um, anyway, we're bothserving the global um natural
health care community, right,yeah and no, and I found,
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actually, melissa, although inthe past I've been marketing the
one-to-one program tohomeopaths.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Actually, um, well, at the moment the majority of
the people on the current cohortare homeopaths, but there are a
few non-homeopaths who got intouch and said, look, you know,
actually I'm an osteopath orwhatever it is.
Is this applicable?
Can I apply for this?
It's like absolutely, andthat's one of the things I want
to look at for next year is justto kind of say you know what,
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as as health care practitioners,this is going to be useful for
many different types of people,because the type of people I
think, the type of people goingto any kind of caring profession
whether it's a gp, a nurse,osteopath, homeopath, etc.
Etc.
They go generally into thattype of profession because they
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want to help people, becausethey like people and they want
to go the extra mile and itmakes them feel good to help
someone to feel betterthemselves.
And so for those types of peopleand us types of people,
boundaries are really, reallyimportant, because we're always
wanting to go the extra mile,etc.
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And many people are respectfulof that.
But sometimes people aren't,and it's not because they're
mean or bad people, it's becausewhen people are in pain.
When people are suffering, theykind of forget all these other
things.
We're all like that.
If you hurt yourself, you kindof are focused on your cut
finger or whatever it is.
Similarly, if someone's gotchronic pain or some kind of
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health issue, their focus is onthat.
They kind of forget thatMelissa, kieran or anybody else
has anything else apart fromthem, because they want that
help immediately.
So it really is for us, asprofessionals, to manage those
boundaries so that we can helpourselves, to therefore help our
clients and help all of ourclients, this individual and all
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the others as well.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
You know, you and I both have such a heart for
homeopathy that that's what Isee in this.
You know, in these coachingprograms, that we're doing that
we are.
We want to spread you, and Ican't see everybody in the world
Right, everybody in the worldright.
So we want to.
We want to spread our knowledgeand spread this beautiful
medicine, so that I would loveto see more natural healthcare
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practitioners, even naturopaths.
So naturopaths go through alittle, a little bit of
education in homeopathy, butthen they don't use it all the
time like you and I do, and theykind of forget about it or
forget how to do it, becausethey use more herbs and
supplements and nutrition.
And so even I have naturopaths,you know, that are coming in and
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learning how to incorporatehomeopathy into their clinics.
So, you know, before I wastrying to get them to refer to
me, but I'm full, I can't takeanymore.
So now I want to teach you allhow to.
You know how to how to do this,so that you can keep your
clients and I can just be in thebackground and teach you how to
how to do it.
(27:33):
So that's the way, though,karen, that you know back to
like our focus of the future ofhomeopathy.
That's how we are.
You and I are supporting thefuture of homeopathy.
We teaching, we're, we'reteaching others to go and do it.
It's this grassroots effort ofI can't do it all, you can't do
it all, so let's teach morepeople how to do it.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
So it's also, it's also been a succession planning.
We're not going to be aroundforever.
We're of a similar age groupand I've got to.
Well, you know, I'm going.
I'm going to be 50 next year,very, very proud of that.
I'm going to be 50 next year,very, very proud of that.
I'm going to be 50 next yearand I do think, like my
grandfather and my great uncle,I'm going to be in practice.
(28:15):
I'm going to be in homeopathyuntil I die, and they both lived
to their mid-80s.
So I've got a good 30-odd yearsahead of me.
But it would be remiss of me notto think about the future of
homeopathy.
And that includes good qualitypractitioners.
(28:38):
So one empowering the patientor the prospective patient and
helping them to treat themselveswith minor ailments and stuff
within themselves and theirfamilies, but also to helping to
engage those future homeopaths.
So, yes, I do the one-to-oneprogramme and that's to help
people set up or grow their ownbusinesses, their own practices.
They are businesses, but twoalso, like you, I take on every
(29:02):
now and again an associate ortwo, usually people that I've
trained through the Centre forHomeopathic Education.
So we have a strong connection,a similar ethos in the way that
we practice homeopathy, becauseI think the future of
homeopathy is very much growing.
You know I mentioned thatfigure earlier that you know in
dollars, but actually just interms of a market as well, there
(29:25):
is so much scope for I thinkagain people saw with COVID it
was a real learning point forthe globe.
Sometimes medicine well I don'twant to discredit medicine, but
anyhow homeopathy can offer anon-invasive, no side effect,
safe way of treatment thatpeople can actually access and
(29:49):
it doesn't have to be terriblyexpensive and it can help to
manage a wide range of problems.
And that that was, I think,really eye opening for a lot of
people, because people suddenlystarted to value their health
and realise that you know thatold saying I think it was Gandhi
your health is your wealth.
With your health you can doanything.
If you don't have your health,it's very hard to do even simple
(30:13):
tasks.
And people started to recognisethat investing in their health
which, yes, can mean treatment,which can cost money, but also
can mean time about learningabout stuff, but also taking
time to exercise, to look attheir lifestyle, how they're
working the way that they'reworking, how they're working the
(30:37):
way that they're working, andalso that I'm going to use the
word food, but I'm wrong.
It's not food.
It's about their nourishment aswell, because food can be an
incredibly healing thing.
And you talked about supplementsand I'm a huge fan of
supplements and we've used themin our family.
Um, since I can remember, I'vebeen having supplements of
different things, but actuallythat basic thing of good,
nourishing food.
Um, there is, rightly so, moretalk about ultra processed or
(31:00):
even processed foods, and that'simportant.
I'm a big believer inhome-cooked food.
I don't have more hours thananyone else in the day and I
work full time.
I've got, I've got kids, gothusband, dog, cat, everyone to
look after older mother, etc.
But I will prioritize Sundaymorning.
I cook for two to three hoursand I batch stuff up and I put
(31:22):
it in my freezer so that whenI'm doing my late night clinics
we can pull something out of thefreezer.
I've taught my kids to cook andalso to recognize when you've
got good quality food.
My background is in food andfarming.
So when I worked in food andfarming, one of the key things I
learned was in one generationwe have lost 75% of the
(31:47):
nutritional content of our food.
So even if you're having thosekind of sacred five portions of
fruit and veg a day, you may notbe getting enough, which is why
supplements can be incrediblyimportant.
Growing your own food can bereally important when you can,
and it can be as simple as youknow.
If you're living in anapartment or a flat, even having
(32:08):
fresh herbs in your windowsillis a really, really good start.
Um, and using tissue salts youmentioned the tissue salts
earlier.
There are lots of ways that wecan help ourselves, but that
takes I won't even say acommitment, because that makes
it sound like people are notcommitted.
It takes a reprioritization.
Actually, if I can prioritizewriting this, you know, report
(32:31):
or whatever for my office, I candefinitely prioritize my health
, just like you prioritize yourkids.
Um, so yeah, I think the futureof homeopathy is really, really
exciting and, as part of that,as you say, part of that kind of
bigger picture of naturalhealth and natural treatments
and natural medication.
(32:51):
And what do you think, melissa?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
I love it.
I love that.
You know that.
The other one of the big thingsthat I love about homeopathy is
that it can work.
That, because it works withyour body, it can work with any
other healing modality that youlike.
So if you like supplements andherbs and vitamins and essential
oils, um, and you know it canwork along with those things and
(33:15):
um food and you know I teachthis often is, yes, food is real
food, good food, um,well-sourced, you know, seasonal
, local food is the really thebiggest key, and then homeopathy
comes along and enhances thatbecause we have to put in good
(33:37):
things.
You know we can't and I saythis often you can't go, you
can't eat McDonald's every dayand expect homeopathy to fix
your, your gut, health and allthe things that happen right.
So it's just you know thathomeopathy is not a magic pill.
I know there's a, there's amovie or a movie that's called
(33:58):
magic pills, but it's not amagic pill.
You have to I believe you haveto be like you said, be um,
prioritize good health.
So eating good food takes um,it takes some knowledge.
So I always encourage peoplebaby steps, you know.
Don't try to go out and learneverything in one week and then
(34:19):
try to incorporate and implementeverything that you learn.
But also it takes some planning.
So if you're going to eat good,you have to go shopping.
You know you have to go to thegrocery store and you have to.
Then you're going to cook thefood and you can involve your
family in that process, and youshould.
And you know you have to go tothe grocery store and you have
to.
Then you're going to cook thefood and you can involve your
family in that process, and youshould.
And you know I love freezerthings and food.
(34:41):
You know, preparation for theweek for us busy moms and busy
people.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I don't know if you can hear me or not, so I'm going
to carry on with food, becauseI love talking about food and I
can.
I can talk about it all daylong, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I don't know where it stopped.
So I just started talking aboutmy children and cookery, but
yeah, I don't know where I frozeeither, but I know that the
recording continued and whateveryou were saying just kept going
, so that's good it'll finishthe sentence um yes, you can yes
so I was just saying about, um,food.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
You're right to empower others as well.
So my children are nowteenagers, so they both know how
to cook basic food and on onThursdays, when I work late,
they're in charge of the cooking.
My husband always does more ofthe weekend stuff because he's
got a little bit more time then,and one of them really enjoyed
cooking so much she went to dothe cookery course, um, but
(35:39):
through her school.
So, um, I think you're right.
And to eat seasonally and toeat locally can actually also be
more affordable as well,because sometimes people go, oh,
it's gonna cost me so muchmoney.
We don't have that kind ofmoney.
It's like, no, you know what,here in in in the uk, it's um
autumn time at the moment, sowe've got plenty of things like
(35:59):
the brassicas, you know, kale.
Then we've got root vegetableslike carrots coming into season,
all these lovely apples andpears, all that type of stuff.
Eat with the seasons, you getmore nutrition, you get at the
right time of the year.
I honestly believe that you getthe right foods the right time
of the year, depending on whereyou live, right, um, and it's
(36:21):
probably going to be the same,if not less than actually trying
to buy, you know, strawberriesin December or whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
But anyhow, you you were talking, so I'll let you
know, oh, I don't, I don'tremember what I was saying, but
but, yes, just, I think you,just you said it beautifully and
that you know, when we raiseour children this way and we,
just we model good and naturalhealth, then they will most
(36:49):
likely, even if they kind ofwalk away from it in their teen
years often they do, they sayI'm going to go do my own thing
and my mom doesn't knoweverything, and and then.
But they come back to it.
So my daughter is currently incollege for to become a health
and or a nutrition coach.
I'm so excited, so excited.
(37:10):
You know, this is what I'vealways dreamed, is that my
children would follow, you know,in the footsteps, and so so
that's wonderful.
Maybe one of my children willbe a homeopath one day, but I
think the future homeopathy isbright.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
You're right, though, because my mother obviously
brought us up, you know, in avery kind of natural and
homeopathic way.
So my brother's not a homeopath, but he's got a kit at home.
He knows, you know, he's got acold.
He'll take some Ferrumfos.
His wife is completely clued upwith it.
Their pet cats have theirhomeopathy.
He cooks some scratch a fewtimes a week and makes extras
(37:47):
because they've both got verydemanding jobs.
So he'll cook on the Monday andthat will be enough for the
Tuesday, et cetera, et cetera,because my mother instilled it
in us, and I like what you said.
You're right.
When I went to university I didthat I thought, oh God, all
this stuff that she's told youknow, my brain was like full of
it, and I think I took you know,I was off the wagon or whatever
(38:08):
it was.
I don't know which way it iswith the wagon, but for about a
year my health was appalling.
That year I, I I cannot tellyou how much I suffered, and in
by the end of that holiday Ijust thought to myself yeah, my
mum was right.
slowly but surely so when I wentback to university the next
(38:28):
year, I was like, right, everyweek I'm going to go to the
local supermarket, I'm going tobuy, you know, fruit, vegetables
, wholemeal bread, etc.
Etc.
To make sure that I'm eatingproperly, because actually, yeah
, that junk food diet didn'twork really very well for me.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
You know, homeopathy for penicillin not a good idea
and this is where I think it'sokay to allow children to go and
do their own thing for a littlebit.
Let them see, because most ofthe time, most of us have to
walk through through and see forourselves.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Right Most of us, we all learn through experience.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Learn through experience.
So just let them go, don'tstress out, don't don't force it
, because you know what?
What I always said is if I, ifI hold it too tight and be too
dogmatic about what they eat,then're gonna be.
They're gonna not be able towait to get out from under my
thumb so they can go and go wild, and I don't want that either.
(39:23):
So just teach them, let themexperiment, and then I'm gonna
be here, you know, when they getfinished with their little
experimentation and I'll be hereto help them.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
yeah absolutely, and yeah, little things along the
way.
When my kids have been ill overthe years, you know, and I'll
be here to help them.
Yeah, absolutely, and yeah,little things along the way.
When my kids have been ill overthe years, you know, and I'll
give them some nut vomica,whatever they needed.
I would tell them why I'm givingyou nut vomica, because you
know you've got this problem,that problem, and then later on
I'll say to them do you rememberwhy I'm giving you nut vomica?
(39:54):
And they'll be like, oh yeah,so that they're starting to
learn a bit about the remedies.
And then, as they progress, asthey choose to I've got one
going to university next yearI'm going to buy her a
homeopathic kit.
Whether she shoves it under herbed or whether she uses it,
only time will tell.
But, as you say, we're there tokind of guide them, and it's a
(40:16):
long-term thing, isn't it?
And it's better, rather thanbeing forced to do something, to
choose to do something is a wayto then make that commitment
for the rest of your life andthese, our children, are the
future of homeopathy.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
So those of you listening, watching right now
that are raising your childrenusing homeopathy, keep going.
You're doing a great job.
Don't give up when it gets hard, because there will be hard
times, but just keep going.
You're doing a great job.
Don't give up when it gets hard, because there will be hard
times, but just keep going andyour children are going to be
healthier because of it.
You're going to be healthierbecause of using homeopathy and
then these, these children youknow many of them will grow up
(40:47):
and continue to use it or maybeeven become homeopaths.
Yeah, who knows?
Speaker 2 (40:51):
yeah and also not to feel guilty about stuff.
You know, if you do have a bitof junk food or whatever, it's
fine.
Actually, a healthy body shouldbe.
A healthy body should be ableto deal with a hamburger or a
piece of cake or a glass of wineevery now and again.
It's when it becomes somethingthat's, you know, part of the
daily routine of life, then itcan be a little bit overwhelming
(41:14):
for the body.
But I think to have thatflexibility within your health
that you know 80, 90 percent ofthe time you're having the good
stuff.
You know you have a bit of timeoff and eat some whatever, some
Hershey's kisses, whatever it is.
You get over there.
Well, it's not the end of theworld, is it?
Speaker 1 (41:30):
that's right.
That's right.
I love to teach that too andencourage people with that that
you know the worry over yourhealth can be just as
detrimental as eating terriblefood.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I absolutely agree.
We've always been quite relaxedon the weekends.
So the weekends is I mean.
Having said that, I was goingto say we usually have pizza.
But my husband I'm very luckyhe makes pizza at home, so that
kind of thing.
The kids like to bake.
But you know, if we're out andabout we have, we eat out that.
I think that's absolutely fine,it's it's the craving of it.
You're right, because withhomeopathy, as we know, and I'm
(42:03):
sure many of your listeners knowit's a holistic form of
medicine, which means it's aboutthe physical but also the
mental and emotional, and Idon't think that kind of craving
or feeling guilty or anythinglike that is going to be good
for your health.
You know, just let it pass youby, move on.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
That's right.
I love it.
Karen.
It has been so nice to talk toyou about the future of
homeopathy.
I'm excited.
I'm excited about the future.
It's a very exciting time.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
It's really, really exciting time to be a homeopath,
exciting time to see homeopathygrowing so much all around the
world and we get to be part ofit, and and so do our listeners
as well, which is fantastic.
So, yeah, absolutely, you know,go out there, give your kids
the good stuff, have the goodstuff when you know on the odd
occasion you don't, you don't.
(42:50):
It's not the end of the world.
Maybe take a nats vomica andmove on.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
I love, love it.
Yes, I agree, karen.
What is your website?
How can people get in touchwith you?
Speaker 2 (42:59):
They can get in touch with my website, which is
healthyhomeopathy written as oneword, couk, and if they're
practitioners, they can get intouch about the one-to-one
program if they want to.
If they're prospective clientsthat want to know more about
homeopathy or working with me,just visit the website.
I love hearing from people andit will be a pleasure if anyone
(43:21):
wants to get in touch andmelissa, do you want to, because
I'm going to be sharing yourdetails too, so please feel free
to give your details for mylisteners as well yes, thank you
.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
So my website is melissacrenshawcom and that's
C-R-E-N-S-H-A-W, so just myfirst and last name.
And I have yeah, my coachingprograms are on there my lay
person classes.
I teach a ton of classes onthere and then I do individual
consults on there too, butthat's how you can find all my
(43:51):
social media stuff.
I do a lot of reels and giveaway, you know, do a lot of free
information, because I wantpeople to know about and love
homeopathy.
And it's just been such apleasure to connect with you
today, kieran, and I'll lookforward to talking to you next
time.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Yeah, me too.
Thanks very much, Melissa.
Great to talk to you.
Take care, lovely Bye-bye.
Hello, welcome back to our show today.
I'm so excited to have KieranGrover with us today.
We are going to talk about thefuture of homeopathy, and so
welcome, kieran.
I'm going to let you tell alittle bit about yourself, and
then I'll introduce myself toyour listeners.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Thank you so much, melissa.
Hello everyone, I am KieranGrover.
I am a homeopath based in theUK.
I've got a global online clinic.
I've been in practice now 17years, which always makes me
feel old when I say that, butalso I'm very honoured as well
that I've been in practice forso long.
I'm a third generationhomeopath, which means my
(00:41):
grandfather was a homeopath, mygreat uncle as well, and my
mother's a practicing homeopathtoo, and I have a great passion
for homeopathy.
I always love chatting withMelissa.
We've worked, we've known eachother for a number of years now
and we've got lots of kind ofshared passions and views and
(01:02):
everything else, and it's greatto join you, melissa, today and
have a conversation with you.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yes, I agree so much, and I also just always love
talking to you and getting tojust have these great
conversations about homeopathy,because I'm also passionate
about homeopathy and you know,what I always also really love
is you're you're a thirdgeneration homeopath, that you
have family members doing this,and I just love that so much.
(01:29):
So I am just I'm a firstgeneration homeopath, so nobody
you know in my family has everbeen a homeopath and I was the
first.
So I'm I'm kind of leading thatway, but that's right.
I'm kind of leading that way,but that's right, and it was.
(01:51):
You know, it was kind of weirdin the beginning because
homeopathy has not been big inthe US like it is in the UK,
right, so it.
You know, when I, when Istarted studying homeopathy and
became a homeopath, my familywas like, what are you doing?
But now they all see andthey're all on board and they
love it and you know they ask mequestions and they use it.
So I'm so thankful.
But I've been in practice for alittle over 20 years and I just
(02:17):
but I went online in 2018.
So I started my online clinicin 2018.
Before that, I was meetingpeople in coffee shops and
libraries and or having peoplecome to my house.
I didn't have a, you know, anoffice and um, and so went.
Went um virtual on in 2018 andthen um COVID came and I was
(02:43):
already set up.
I was already set up online, soit was just beautiful.
You know, people were like youknow, they didn't know how to
use zoom.
I was like I know how to usezoom.
I can teach you because I had.
I had already been doing it.
So so I love this topic thatwe're going to.
We're going to talk about todayjust the future of homeopathy,
(03:03):
and you know what homeopathylooks like in the US versus the
UK.
So many of you know in the USit's just starting to get big.
Since COVID, we, most people anda lot of people still haven't
heard of homeopathy over here,but most people just heard about
(03:25):
it for the first time.
After COVID they startedsearching for alternatives to
the mainstream medicine, themainstream healthcare system,
and so I love it.
I am super excited to see howit's just blowing up in the
United States, to see how it'sjust blowing up in the United
(03:51):
States, um and so.
But I went to um, a UK basedcollege for homeopathy.
So CHE that was actually mysecond time going through
college.
I first went through with DrMurphy, dr Robin Murphy and I uh
, I found CHE through Dr Murphy,but it was really cool to study
with people in London, you know, because you guys have a whole
(04:13):
different perspective and youall also are much more free over
there to say things and dothings with homeopathy that
we're not allowed to over herebecause of big pharma.
Tell me about what it feelslike over there.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Well, yeah, just to take a step back actually,
melissa, because you've madelots of brilliant and beautiful
points.
Homeopathy actually, I thinkgoing back a couple of
generations, was very popular inthe US and it almost got not
quite, but almost got shut down.
In the UK it's not been quiteso brutal and homeopathy has
(04:49):
flourished, but we definitelyget every now and again, whether
it's Big Pharma or somethingelse.
We have to also be careful orwe're vulnerable.
I don't like to get tooinvolved in that kind of I'm
going to to sound like a hippiealready we're only 10 minutes
into the conversation into thatkind of negativity.
It's not my vibe.
But, um, from a positive pointof view, for me it feels like,
(05:13):
well, there's an educationalelement and I know you're great
and and brilliant and really upon education and also an
information giving, a generosity, if you like.
This is what homeopathy can dofor you.
Yes, it's really important.
Well, not really important, butit's nice to know the history,
it's good to know the names, allthat kind of stuff, but
actually, what can it do for you?
(05:33):
What can it do for your family,your friends, your animals in
your life, all that kind ofstuff?
It's potential which is so, soimportant.
You're right.
It's an absolute growing marketall around the world, which is
so exciting for all people whoare practicing homeopathy now or
patients who've been thinkingabout getting into practice.
(05:56):
I checked this morning on theinternet and apparently, by 2028
, the global market US dollarsI'm not going to say this
properly 1377.9 million, so it'sthat that's where they expect
it to be in just a few yearstime.
Um it?
Although it's a germantradition and 57 of germans
(06:18):
apparently use homeopathyregularly, it's also recognized
in switzerland completely as aform of medicine.
95% of French doctors prescribeit and the World Health
Organisation recognise it as thesecond largest system of
medicine in the world.
I'm going to take a breathbecause I think that's a really,
(06:38):
really important thing.
So homeopathy is popular and isused in the UK, but sorry, in
the UK, just like the US, but wedo.
We have had a few things overthe years that I've seen over
the past.
Well, I've been qualified 17years, gosh, I studied more than
20 years ago and, like you, Iwent to CHE and that's where our
(06:59):
paths crossed at the Centre forHomeopathic Education roster,
at the Centre for HomeopathicEducation, we have a few things,
I think, going our way in theUK that perhaps the US is still
catching up with.
It's really easy to buyhomeopathy here.
You can buy it from high streetpharmacists you know we've got
a big chain here called Boots.
You can buy it in a large Bootschemist.
(07:21):
You can buy it in smallerchemists.
You can buy it in health foodstores.
And we also have our brillianthomeopathic pharmacies, many of
them based in London Helios,ainsworth, neils, yard, nelson's
all names that I'm sure many ofyour listeners will recognise.
So it's really easy to get yourhands on homeopathy.
(07:41):
What they have done, though,which was a bit sneaky a few
years ago, I like to think ofthe tissue salts as often a
gateway into homeopathy.
So the tissue salts are veryeasy to use.
The 12-shustler salts are oftenreferred to as well.
You can combine them nicely totreat lots of kind of general
(08:01):
issues that you might have inthe home yourself, your kids,
etc.
Common colds, period pains, allthat type of stuff they used to
sell.
There used to be a companycalled New Era and they used to
sell honestly everywhere,melissa in, you know, in all the
local pharmacies and stuff likethat Combination remedies.
They were called combinationtissue salts, so A would be for
(08:24):
for I don't know, um, I can'tthink of what a would would have
been for, but b would have beenfor bruises, c would have been
for, uh, coughs and colds etc.
And with so it's an a to z, oran a to z, as you guys would say
, of different kind of commonailments and tissue salt
combinations.
So you could literally walkinto your pharmacy, know very
(08:44):
little about homeopathy and goright, that's a natural remedy
for coughs and colds.
I'm going to buy that instead.
They got rid of it.
They got rid of it a few yearsago and it was one of the things
that I grew up with.
So it's one of the things Ilike to empower my patients with
.
But I have to give thatinformation.
So that goes back to that pointI was making about information
(09:06):
giving and educating.
So we do also have to be carefulwithin the UK.
But we do have these wonderfulpharmacies.
We also have some wonderfulteaching schools.
So you mentioned the Centre forHomeopathic Education.
Like you, I'm a big fan.
I went there, I teach, I'm oneof their occasional lecturers,
(09:26):
but obviously there are othersas well the School of Homeopathy
, etc.
And many of them are based inthe UK.
Well, they're all based in theUK, the UK ones, but they've
again got a global reach now,which means that people like you
can be in a different time zone, can still access that
education.
And British education hasalways had, for many centuries,
(09:49):
had, a reputation of beingfantastic and the level of
education I think that we gethere homeopathically is
phenomenal and we are incrediblylucky and it's so nice.
Now, in this new market, globalmarket, can, you know, reach
people all around the world also.
Just one other thing, and then Ishall definitely pause for
(10:11):
breath.
Finding a homeopath, I think,is quite straightforward here,
so obviously you can go to ahomeopathic doctor at one of
those homeopathic hospitals thatI um, that that I mentioned.
I mentioned the pharmacies, thehospitals as well, so I should
have said that too.
We've got we the pharmacies,the hospitals as well, so I
should have said that too.
We've got hemipathic hospitals.
They were created before theinception of our National Health
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Service, so they've been aroundsince 1949.
We don't have as many as we usedto.
We have less, and again that'sbeen to do with kind of pressure
on government etc.
Possibly from big pharma whocan say, um, but we do still
have those homeopathic hospitalsso people can access for free,
(10:55):
on our nhs, a homeopathic doctor.
It's quite hard to get hold ofone these days, but they are out
there or they can accesshomeopaths like me or you as
well, because we're in thatglobal market um and um, you
know it's easy to find a greathomeopath.
I always recommend to anyonelooking for a homeopath look for
a registered homeopath, eitherwith the society of homeopaths,
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obviously in the uk, or thealliance um, because you know
that they're trained fully, thatthey're insured, they, they
sign up to a code of ethics.
You've got Nash over there.
I know you're with the Societyof Homeopaths.
So I think in the UK, althoughwe have to get into a bit of
fisticuffs every now and again,we're doing okay.
(11:36):
How about you?
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, thank you for that.
You know what.
You reminded me that.
Yes, thank you for that.
You know what?
You reminded me that, yes, umyears ago we did have
homeopathic hospitals all overthe United States, in fact it
was.
We had those.
Our hospitals were homeopathicbefore the allopathic um, you
know, people took over.
So yes, you reminded me of that.
(11:59):
It was big and then it kind ofwent away and now it's coming
back.
I don't know, if we'll havehomeopathic hospitals again, but
hopefully we will, and so toobtain homeopathic medicines, I
think, is pretty easy here too,so we do it, you just have to
know where to look.
So they used to be before COVID.
(12:21):
They used to be in all of thehealth food stores and the
grocery stores would carry, youknow, big selections, and
they've kind of dwindled downsince then.
Well, and you know, I'm notblaming it on COVID, I'm just
saying, like the time frame.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, it marks something in the sand, doesn't
it, COVID?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, it had a lot.
It's got a lot to do with theFDA, so the FDA is doing a lot
over here and changing theirguidelines on homeopathy, so
that's why some of them havebeen pulled from the shelves our
eye drops but I think it'spretty easy to get remedies
because we can order from.
My favorite is Ainsworth's andHelios.
(13:05):
Those are my two favoriteplaces to order and that's where
I always order from.
We do have US based pharmacieslike OHM, and there may be other
US based pharmacies, but that'sthe main one that I know of.
And then we have stores thatsell lots of homeopathic
remedies that you can just orderonline if you don't live in
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that state.
So I have no trouble gettingremedies.
I'm very, very thankful, andthen also that we have this.
We have a service here calledFullscript, and as a Fullscript
practitioner, I can I can passmy full discount of 30% off of
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all supplements and homeopathicremedies onto my clients, and I
do that so you can purchasehomeopathic remedies through an
account through me and get 30%discount, which is great.
They just don't have everythingthat you need, but they have a
lot.
So so, yeah, obtaining remediesI think is is just fine, even
(14:14):
though you locally.
Here's what I teach in myclasses is be ready, order, have
a kit.
You need to have a kit on hand,right?
So for those acute situationsand because then you're going to
probably need to order anythingelse that you don't have, and
because the local stores, youcan't run to the store anymore
and just find what you need.
Sometimes you can, but it's alittle bit more difficult over
(14:34):
the last few years.
And then, as far aspractitioners, man, they're
growing.
We have just so many more.
I'm in a large, very largeFacebook group for moms who are,
who like natural health care,and I used to be.
I was the only homeopath inthere for many years and now
there are several of us and it'sjust growing.
(14:58):
It's just growing and growing.
How many people are becominghomeopaths?
I mean, I have four associatesthat work under me and take
cases under my supervision andand one of them went through CHE
, just graduated, and the otherthree are going through Dr
Murphy's program.
So it's just, it's just so funto watch it grow and see you
(15:22):
know how, what's going on withit.
And then the you know wherehomeopathy is going in the US.
Again, I think that it's.
I think it's growing.
The FDA is trying to restrictsome things, but we're really
fighting that, you know.
(15:42):
I think, just like, just likeyou said, in the UK, sometimes
you have to, you have to standup and fight things, and that's
okay.
Yeah, we just need to remindpeople.
That's what we call it thegovernment works for me.
I don't, I don't you know, workfor you.
So we just have to remind themum that, that we are.
You know we're a free country.
So, um what else did you talkabout?
(16:04):
What else did I miss?
Something with the US, I think?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I'm.
You know what.
I'm glad you mentioned.
I'm glad you mentioned the cword.
I'm glad you mentioned COVID,because I think COVID really
changed everything.
Like you, I've had an onlineclinic, but it was like um, my
main clinic, central onlineclinic for people who had maybe
moved away from London or evenoutside of the UK.
It was there as an add on andwhen Covid struck and obviously
(16:33):
all around the world you know,we all went into lockdowns etc.
I don't need to remind anyoneof that.
I decided to just email out allmy clients and say, look, the
physical clinic is closed, tojust email out all my clients
and say, look, the physicalclinic is closed, absolutely,
but the online I've got.
I wasn't as advanced as you,melissa.
(16:53):
I had a Skype account.
I've got a Skype account.
If anyone wants to use it, letme know and we'll meet up that
way.
Every, absolutely everyone,down to a lady called Janet who
was 82, said yes, please, and Icould carry on seeing my
patients and that was fantastic.
And then I quickly moved toZoom, because I found that Zoom
(17:14):
was just more fit for purposefor what I wanted to do.
There's more flexibility thereand, like you, I had a kind of
oh, you've not used Zoom before,that's okay, I'll email you a
step-by-step guide, which wasreally simple how to install
Zoom, because obviously for manypeople it's the first time
they're using anything like thatand it really helped me grow my
(17:34):
clinic and reach that globalaudience.
And that's one of the things myone to one practitioners
programme that I teach how toput things in place so that you
and your client both have aprofessional and pleasant
experience in terms ofconsultation.
(17:55):
So in the old I say the oldendays, pre-covid, in my clinic I
had a lovely well, she's still alovely lady a lovely
receptionist called Carol.
Carol would greet people, shewould sign them in, she'd move
their appointment, she'd takethe telephone, she'd take
payments, she would adviseWonderful, wonderful lady.
(18:16):
When we went into that COVIDsituation it was me doing
absolutely everything.
You know, just you know,because all of us were working
from home or on furlough orwhatever was happening in
people's lives.
So now, like you again, I'vegot associate homeopaths and
I've got an assistant and itmakes the world of difference.
It's almost providing what youhad in a physical space online,
(18:40):
so that the client feelscompletely looked after and
knows what to do andeverything's quite
straightforward for them, but,yeah, in the one-to-one
programme.
So one of the things that welook at actually is organising
ourselves and planning and usingall these systems, because
there's so many systems outthere and obviously one wants to
spend one's clinic money wiselybut, at the same time, also
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have things that are fit forpurpose and helps everyone.
Um, you know one of the thingswe look at well, what kind of
systems do you need whether it'slike a booking system or a
payment system, an accountancysystem and guiding people
through that to help them createthese global online clinics,
which means they could besitting in america, you know,
the uk, india, france it doesn'tmatter where they are or where
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their clients are.
Indeed, they can access greathomeopathic care, and that's
what it's all about really,isn't it Helping the client and
the homeopath get together, havethat conversation and then have
a prescription from it, and I'mso pleased to hear that you can
access homeopathy easily alsoin the states as well and you're
(19:50):
right, helios and Ainsworththey will post internationally.
But there seems to be, wheneverI get a client in, like a new
far-flung place in the globe,and I go on to somewhere like
homeopathy friends or somethinglike that and I talk to
colleagues, they go oh yeah, no,I know a pharmacy out there.
And then, before you know,you're linked up.
My dog wants to come in.
Just bear with me, this is my.
(20:11):
She's like.
She likes to do this.
It's it's UK time, threeo'clock, and this is her time to
go.
Hello, I'm awake and I want tosay hello.
So hello, penny.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Um, yes, sorry about that.
No, no worry, so, um, okay, soI want to just I, because I
think I know the answer to this,but I want our listeners to
know the answer.
When you're talking about yourone-to-one program, you teach
homeopaths how to have an onlineor how to have a, how to do the
(20:44):
business side of the clinic,right, yeah, that's, that's what
you do, right?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
And the reason why I do that.
So there are lots of greathomeopaths out there who teach
and that's fantastic and they'llteach you about remedies and
how to.
And you do that.
Teach people how to useremedies, teach them about
ailments, what they can do,whether it's a small acute I say
small acute, if you've got achild with a fever at three in
the morning, it does not feelsmall.
(21:14):
We've been there as parents.
We know what it's like but alsoequally through to more chronic
things or treating menopause,etc.
So there's a lot of people,there are some good people out
there like you, like HilaryDorian, who teach these types of
things and they're very, veryuseful.
They're not just useful,they're empowering people to be
able to take responsibility fortheir own health and those of
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their loved ones as well.
Because that's the thing, whenyou feel powerless at three in
the morning because your childhas a high fever or you know
you're running to the toilet orwhatever it is.
To know that you can dosomething's really important.
What I have supervised students,as you know, for over a decade
and one of the places I've seenpeople fall down.
(21:59):
So there's.
They've spent energy and timeand money training and
homeopathy.
The one place a lot of peopleseem to fall down is building a
practice, and that's why I setup the one to one program.
There are other people who areteaching that and it's very
important.
I'm very glad that other peopleare teaching it, but the
difference of my program is it'sone to one, so it very much
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fits the purpose for thatindividual.
Everyone's circumstances aredifferent and what everyone
wants is different as well.
My was working from home andhaving a dog was really
important to me, but you talkedto another practitioner that
wouldn't even be on their agenda.
So the one-to-one program ismodule led and we look at
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everything from finance,finances, making sure they're
healthy or helping them tobecome healthy, pricing,
boundaries, systems, all thesedifferent things, and we do it
absolutely a bit like ahomeopathic prescription,
individualized and bespoke tothat individual person.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah, thank you for sharing that.
And so I have a group coachingprogram for natural health care
practitioners so not homeopaths,but other so your chiropractors
, your body workers, yourosteopaths, your lactation
consultants, anybody healthcoaches, wellness coaches,
(23:22):
nutrition nutritionists ornutrition coaches.
And so what I teach in a groupsetting is, um how to
incorporate homeopathy intotheir, into their practice.
yeah, yeah um, so I was just so.
Yeah, I was thankful that youbrought up your one-to-one.
You teach homeopaths and Iteach other the other people I
(23:43):
want, because you know what Iwant and you're sorry to
interrupt, melissa.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
You teach them about homeopathy.
So an osteopath who may be, oror acupuncturist who wants to
bring homeopathy into theirpractice, is that right?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
that's right.
I teach them about homeopathy,but I also teach them systems
and um case taking and casemanagement.
So some of the questions that Iget, um, I mean, I have, I have
pediatricians and nurses andand not, you know, health
coaches in there.
Some of the questions I get is,you know, like okay, well, so
(24:14):
when this woman is texting meseveral times a day, what do I
do?
Of course, I have experiencewith that.
So, you know, I teach someboundaries and here's how you
set up your boundaries and you,you thrive.
So, um, anyway, we're bothserving the global um natural
health care community, right,yeah and no, and I found,
(24:34):
actually, melissa, although inthe past I've been marketing the
one-to-one program tohomeopaths.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Actually, um, well, at the moment the majority of
the people on the current cohortare homeopaths, but there are a
few non-homeopaths who got intouch and said, look, you know,
actually I'm an osteopath orwhatever it is.
Is this applicable?
Can I apply for this?
It's like absolutely, andthat's one of the things I want
to look at for next year is justto kind of say you know what,
(25:03):
as as health care practitioners,this is going to be useful for
many different types of people,because the type of people I
think, the type of people goingto any kind of caring profession
whether it's a gp, a nurse,osteopath, homeopath, etc.
Etc.
They go generally into thattype of profession because they
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want to help people, becausethey like people and they want
to go the extra mile and itmakes them feel good to help
someone to feel betterthemselves.
And so for those types of peopleand us types of people,
boundaries are really, reallyimportant, because we're always
wanting to go the extra mile,etc.
(25:47):
And many people are respectfulof that.
But sometimes people aren't,and it's not because they're
mean or bad people, it's becausewhen people are in pain.
When people are suffering, theykind of forget all these other
things.
We're all like that.
If you hurt yourself, you kindof are focused on your cut
finger or whatever it is.
Similarly, if someone's gotchronic pain or some kind of
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health issue, their focus is onthat.
They kind of forget thatMelissa, kieran or anybody else
has anything else apart fromthem, because they want that
help immediately.
So it really is for us, asprofessionals, to manage those
boundaries so that we can helpourselves, to therefore help our
clients and help all of ourclients, this individual and all
(26:29):
the others as well.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
You know, you and I both have such a heart for
homeopathy that that's what Isee in this.
You know, in these coachingprograms, that we're doing that
we are.
We want to spread you, and Ican't see everybody in the world
Right, everybody in the worldright.
So we want to.
We want to spread our knowledgeand spread this beautiful
medicine, so that I would loveto see more natural healthcare
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practitioners, even naturopaths.
So naturopaths go through alittle, a little bit of
education in homeopathy, butthen they don't use it all the
time like you and I do, and theykind of forget about it or
forget how to do it, becausethey use more herbs and
supplements and nutrition.
And so even I have naturopaths,you know, that are coming in and
(27:12):
learning how to incorporatehomeopathy into their clinics.
So, you know, before I wastrying to get them to refer to
me, but I'm full, I can't takeanymore.
So now I want to teach you allhow to.
You know how to how to do this,so that you can keep your
clients and I can just be in thebackground and teach you how to
how to do it.
(27:33):
So that's the way, though,karen, that you know back to
like our focus of the future ofhomeopathy.
That's how we are.
You and I are supporting thefuture of homeopathy.
We teaching, we're, we'reteaching others to go and do it.
It's this grassroots effort ofI can't do it all, you can't do
it all, so let's teach morepeople how to do it.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
So it's also, it's also been a succession planning.
We're not going to be aroundforever.
We're of a similar age groupand I've got to.
Well, you know, I'm going.
I'm going to be 50 next year,very, very proud of that.
I'm going to be 50 next year,very, very proud of that.
I'm going to be 50 next yearand I do think, like my
grandfather and my great uncle,I'm going to be in practice.
(28:15):
I'm going to be in homeopathyuntil I die, and they both lived
to their mid-80s.
So I've got a good 30-odd yearsahead of me.
But it would be remiss of me notto think about the future of
homeopathy.
And that includes good qualitypractitioners.
(28:38):
So one empowering the patientor the prospective patient and
helping them to treat themselveswith minor ailments and stuff
within themselves and theirfamilies, but also to helping to
engage those future homeopaths.
So, yes, I do the one-to-oneprogramme and that's to help
people set up or grow their ownbusinesses, their own practices.
They are businesses, but twoalso, like you, I take on every
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now and again an associate ortwo, usually people that I've
trained through the Centre forHomeopathic Education.
So we have a strong connection,a similar ethos in the way that
we practice homeopathy, becauseI think the future of
homeopathy is very much growing.
You know I mentioned thatfigure earlier that you know in
dollars, but actually just interms of a market as well, there
(29:25):
is so much scope for I thinkagain people saw with COVID it
was a real learning point forthe globe.
Sometimes medicine well I don'twant to discredit medicine, but
anyhow homeopathy can offer anon-invasive, no side effect,
safe way of treatment thatpeople can actually access and
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it doesn't have to be terriblyexpensive and it can help to
manage a wide range of problems.
And that that was, I think,really eye opening for a lot of
people, because people suddenlystarted to value their health
and realise that you know thatold saying I think it was Gandhi
your health is your wealth.
With your health you can doanything.
If you don't have your health,it's very hard to do even simple
(30:13):
tasks.
And people started to recognisethat investing in their health
which, yes, can mean treatment,which can cost money, but also
can mean time about learningabout stuff, but also taking
time to exercise, to look attheir lifestyle, how they're
working the way that they'reworking, how they're working the
(30:37):
way that they're working, andalso that I'm going to use the
word food, but I'm wrong.
It's not food.
It's about their nourishment aswell, because food can be an
incredibly healing thing.
And you talked about supplementsand I'm a huge fan of
supplements and we've used themin our family.
Um, since I can remember, I'vebeen having supplements of
different things, but actuallythat basic thing of good,
nourishing food.
Um, there is, rightly so, moretalk about ultra processed or
(31:00):
even processed foods, and that'simportant.
I'm a big believer inhome-cooked food.
I don't have more hours thananyone else in the day and I
work full time.
I've got, I've got kids, gothusband, dog, cat, everyone to
look after older mother, etc.
But I will prioritize Sundaymorning.
I cook for two to three hoursand I batch stuff up and I put
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it in my freezer so that whenI'm doing my late night clinics
we can pull something out of thefreezer.
I've taught my kids to cook andalso to recognize when you've
got good quality food.
My background is in food andfarming.
So when I worked in food andfarming, one of the key things I
learned was in one generationwe have lost 75% of the
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nutritional content of our food.
So even if you're having thosekind of sacred five portions of
fruit and veg a day, you may notbe getting enough, which is why
supplements can be incrediblyimportant.
Growing your own food can bereally important when you can,
and it can be as simple as youknow.
If you're living in anapartment or a flat, even having
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fresh herbs in your windowsillis a really, really good start.
Um, and using tissue salts youmentioned the tissue salts
earlier.
There are lots of ways that wecan help ourselves, but that
takes I won't even say acommitment, because that makes
it sound like people are notcommitted.
It takes a reprioritization.
Actually, if I can prioritizewriting this, you know, report
(32:31):
or whatever for my office, I candefinitely prioritize my health
, just like you prioritize yourkids.
Um, so yeah, I think the futureof homeopathy is really, really
exciting and, as part of that,as you say, part of that kind of
bigger picture of naturalhealth and natural treatments
and natural medication.
(32:51):
And what do you think, melissa?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
I love it.
I love that.
You know that.
The other one of the big thingsthat I love about homeopathy is
that it can work.
That, because it works withyour body, it can work with any
other healing modality that youlike.
So if you like supplements andherbs and vitamins and essential
oils, um, and you know it canwork along with those things and
(33:15):
um food and you know I teachthis often is, yes, food is real
food, good food, um,well-sourced, you know, seasonal
, local food is the really thebiggest key, and then homeopathy
comes along and enhances thatbecause we have to put in good
(33:37):
things.
You know we can't and I saythis often you can't go, you
can't eat McDonald's every dayand expect homeopathy to fix
your, your gut, health and allthe things that happen right.
So it's just you know thathomeopathy is not a magic pill.
I know there's a, there's amovie or a movie that's called
(33:58):
magic pills, but it's not amagic pill.
You have to I believe you haveto be like you said, be um,
prioritize good health.
So eating good food takes um,it takes some knowledge.
So I always encourage peoplebaby steps, you know.
Don't try to go out and learneverything in one week and then
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try to incorporate and implementeverything that you learn.
But also it takes some planning.
So if you're going to eat good,you have to go shopping.
You know you have to go to thegrocery store and you have to.
Then you're going to cook thefood and you can involve your
family in that process, and youshould.
And you know you have to go tothe grocery store and you have
to.
Then you're going to cook thefood and you can involve your
family in that process, and youshould.
And you know I love freezerthings and food.
(34:41):
You know, preparation for theweek for us busy moms and busy
people.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I don't know if you can hear me or not, so I'm going
to carry on with food, becauseI love talking about food and I
can.
I can talk about it all daylong, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I don't know where it stopped.
So I just started talking aboutmy children and cookery, but
yeah, I don't know where I frozeeither, but I know that the
recording continued and whateveryou were saying just kept going
, so that's good it'll finishthe sentence um yes, you can yes
so I was just saying about, um,food.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
You're right to empower others as well.
So my children are nowteenagers, so they both know how
to cook basic food and on onThursdays, when I work late,
they're in charge of the cooking.
My husband always does more ofthe weekend stuff because he's
got a little bit more time then,and one of them really enjoyed
cooking so much she went to dothe cookery course, um, but
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through her school.
So, um, I think you're right.
And to eat seasonally and toeat locally can actually also be
more affordable as well,because sometimes people go, oh,
it's gonna cost me so muchmoney.
We don't have that kind ofmoney.
It's like, no, you know what,here in in in the uk, it's um
autumn time at the moment, sowe've got plenty of things like
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the brassicas, you know, kale.
Then we've got root vegetableslike carrots coming into season,
all these lovely apples andpears, all that type of stuff.
Eat with the seasons, you getmore nutrition, you get at the
right time of the year.
I honestly believe that you getthe right foods the right time
of the year, depending on whereyou live, right, um, and it's
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probably going to be the same,if not less than actually trying
to buy, you know, strawberriesin December or whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
But anyhow, you you were talking, so I'll let you
know, oh, I don't, I don'tremember what I was saying, but
but, yes, just, I think you,just you said it beautifully and
that you know, when we raiseour children this way and we,
just we model good and naturalhealth, then they will most
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likely, even if they kind ofwalk away from it in their teen
years often they do, they sayI'm going to go do my own thing
and my mom doesn't knoweverything, and and then.
But they come back to it.
So my daughter is currently incollege for to become a health
and or a nutrition coach.
I'm so excited, so excited.
(37:10):
You know, this is what I'vealways dreamed, is that my
children would follow, you know,in the footsteps, and so so
that's wonderful.
Maybe one of my children willbe a homeopath one day, but I
think the future homeopathy isbright.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
You're right, though, because my mother obviously
brought us up, you know, in avery kind of natural and
homeopathic way.
So my brother's not a homeopath, but he's got a kit at home.
He knows, you know, he's got acold.
He'll take some Ferrumfos.
His wife is completely clued upwith it.
Their pet cats have theirhomeopathy.
He cooks some scratch a fewtimes a week and makes extras
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because they've both got verydemanding jobs.
So he'll cook on the Monday andthat will be enough for the
Tuesday, et cetera, et cetera,because my mother instilled it
in us, and I like what you said.
You're right.
When I went to university I didthat I thought, oh God, all
this stuff that she's told youknow, my brain was like full of
it, and I think I took you know,I was off the wagon or whatever
(38:08):
it was.
I don't know which way it iswith the wagon, but for about a
year my health was appalling.
That year I, I I cannot tellyou how much I suffered, and in
by the end of that holiday Ijust thought to myself yeah, my
mum was right.
slowly but surely so when I wentback to university the next
(38:28):
year, I was like, right, everyweek I'm going to go to the
local supermarket, I'm going tobuy, you know, fruit, vegetables
, wholemeal bread, etc.
Etc.
To make sure that I'm eatingproperly, because actually, yeah
, that junk food diet didn'twork really very well for me.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
You know, homeopathy for penicillin not a good idea
and this is where I think it'sokay to allow children to go and
do their own thing for a littlebit.
Let them see, because most ofthe time, most of us have to
walk through through and see forourselves.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Right Most of us, we all learn through experience.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Learn through experience.
So just let them go, don'tstress out, don't don't force it
, because you know what?
What I always said is if I, ifI hold it too tight and be too
dogmatic about what they eat,then're gonna be.
They're gonna not be able towait to get out from under my
thumb so they can go and go wild, and I don't want that either.
(39:23):
So just teach them, let themexperiment, and then I'm gonna
be here, you know, when they getfinished with their little
experimentation and I'll be hereto help them.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
yeah absolutely, and yeah, little things along the
way.
When my kids have been ill overthe years, you know, and I'll
be here to help them.
Yeah, absolutely, and yeah,little things along the way.
When my kids have been ill overthe years, you know, and I'll
give them some nut vomica,whatever they needed.
I would tell them why I'm givingyou nut vomica, because you
know you've got this problem,that problem, and then later on
I'll say to them do you rememberwhy I'm giving you nut vomica?
(39:54):
And they'll be like, oh yeah,so that they're starting to
learn a bit about the remedies.
And then, as they progress, asthey choose to I've got one
going to university next yearI'm going to buy her a
homeopathic kit.
Whether she shoves it under herbed or whether she uses it,
only time will tell.
But, as you say, we're there tokind of guide them, and it's a
(40:16):
long-term thing, isn't it?
And it's better, rather thanbeing forced to do something, to
choose to do something is a wayto then make that commitment
for the rest of your life andthese, our children, are the
future of homeopathy.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
So those of you listening, watching right now
that are raising your childrenusing homeopathy, keep going.
You're doing a great job.
Don't give up when it gets hard, because there will be hard
times, but just keep going.
You're doing a great job.
Don't give up when it gets hard, because there will be hard
times, but just keep going andyour children are going to be
healthier because of it.
You're going to be healthierbecause of using homeopathy and
then these, these children youknow many of them will grow up
(40:47):
and continue to use it or maybeeven become homeopaths.
Yeah, who knows?
Speaker 2 (40:51):
yeah and also not to feel guilty about stuff.
You know, if you do have a bitof junk food or whatever, it's
fine.
Actually, a healthy body shouldbe.
A healthy body should be ableto deal with a hamburger or a
piece of cake or a glass of wineevery now and again.
It's when it becomes somethingthat's, you know, part of the
daily routine of life, then itcan be a little bit overwhelming
(41:14):
for the body.
But I think to have thatflexibility within your health
that you know 80, 90 percent ofthe time you're having the good
stuff.
You know you have a bit of timeoff and eat some whatever, some
Hershey's kisses, whatever it is.
You get over there.
Well, it's not the end of theworld, is it?
Speaker 1 (41:30):
that's right.
That's right.
I love to teach that too andencourage people with that that
you know the worry over yourhealth can be just as
detrimental as eating terriblefood.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I absolutely agree.
We've always been quite relaxedon the weekends.
So the weekends is I mean.
Having said that, I was goingto say we usually have pizza.
But my husband I'm very luckyhe makes pizza at home, so that
kind of thing.
The kids like to bake.
But you know, if we're out andabout we have, we eat out that.
I think that's absolutely fine,it's it's the craving of it.
You're right, because withhomeopathy, as we know, and I'm
(42:03):
sure many of your listeners knowit's a holistic form of
medicine, which means it's aboutthe physical but also the
mental and emotional, and Idon't think that kind of craving
or feeling guilty or anythinglike that is going to be good
for your health.
You know, just let it pass youby, move on.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
That's right.
I love it.
Karen.
It has been so nice to talk toyou about the future of
homeopathy.
I'm excited.
I'm excited about the future.
It's a very exciting time.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
It's really, really exciting time to be a homeopath,
exciting time to see homeopathygrowing so much all around the
world and we get to be part ofit, and and so do our listeners
as well, which is fantastic.
So, yeah, absolutely, you know,go out there, give your kids
the good stuff, have the goodstuff when you know on the odd
occasion you don't, you don't.
(42:50):
It's not the end of the world.
Maybe take a nats vomica andmove on.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
I love, love it.
Yes, I agree, karen.
What is your website?
How can people get in touchwith you?
Speaker 2 (42:59):
They can get in touch with my website, which is
healthyhomeopathy written as oneword, couk, and if they're
practitioners, they can get intouch about the one-to-one
program if they want to.
If they're prospective clientsthat want to know more about
homeopathy or working with me,just visit the website.
I love hearing from people andit will be a pleasure if anyone
(43:21):
wants to get in touch andmelissa, do you want to, because
I'm going to be sharing yourdetails too, so please feel free
to give your details for mylisteners as well yes, thank you
.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
So my website is melissacrenshawcom and that's
C-R-E-N-S-H-A-W, so just myfirst and last name.
And I have yeah, my coachingprograms are on there my lay
person classes.
I teach a ton of classes onthere and then I do individual
consults on there too, butthat's how you can find all my
(43:51):
social media stuff.
I do a lot of reels and giveaway, you know, do a lot of free
information, because I wantpeople to know about and love
homeopathy.
And it's just been such apleasure to connect with you
today, kieran, and I'll lookforward to talking to you next
time.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Yeah, me too.
Thanks very much, Melissa.
Great to talk to you.
Take care, lovely Bye-bye.
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