July 21, 2025 • 27 mins
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The mysterious world of Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) takes center stage as Melissa unpacks this increasingly common condition characterized by an overactive immune response and excessive histamine release. What was once considered rare has become surprisingly prevalent, especially following COVID-19, leaving many struggling with unpredictable and seemingly disconnected symptoms.
Melissa explains how mast cells—crucial components of our immune system that normally protect us—can become hyperreactive, causing everything from intense allergic reactions and abdominal migraines to brain fog, tachycardia, and extreme sensitivities. The hallmark of MCAS is hypersensitivity across multiple body systems, with sufferers often experiencing "flares" triggered by minor stressors that can persist for days or weeks. These patients frequently react strongly to medications, supplements, homeopathic remedies, and environmental factors at levels that wouldn't affect others.
Diving into treatment approaches, Melissa emphasizes the importance of a gentle, individualized strategy for these sensitive individuals. Histaminum emerges as a valuable starting remedy to help regulate histamine response. Other helpful remedies can include Nux vomica, Belladonna, Hyosciamus, Carcinosin, and Carbolic acid. For MCAS patients, the mantra is "low and slow"—using minimal potencies (sometimes as diluted as 6C in water) and infrequent dosing (perhaps just weekly). Melissa also discusses the value of natural histamine binders like bentonite clay and zeolite, while acknowledging that conventional antihistamines have their place during acute flares.
Frustrated with having to avoid countless triggers? Tired of unpredictable reactions that leave you questioning your sanity? If you're navigating the complex world of mast cell activation, this episode offers valuable insights and practical approaches to help calm your overreactive immune system and reclaim your health. Subscribe now to hear about our upcoming comprehensive MCAS course that will dive even deeper into this fascinating condition!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to Homeopathy at Home with Melissa.
Hey, Melissa.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Hey Brie, I'm excited to talk about mast cell
activation syndrome tonight.
We're just going to do a littleintroduction.
We're not going to dive deep,but it's going to be fun and I'm
actually I'm looking forward tothis.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I'm sure I will have some questions, because I know
enough and also not enough.
So, as usual, I'll come withsome good questions for you guys
, hopefully.
But before we do that, we havesome fan mail, and this one is
from Texas.
So I'm going to read it andMelissa is going to answer it.
(00:40):
She says Hello, I'm in Texasand very interested in becoming
a practitioner.
In your opinion, what is thebest school to become certified?
Thank you so much, leslie.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I love this question because we need more homeopaths,
and so the question is the bestschool to become certified?
And you know you can get acertification from any school
that you go to homeopath withthe North American Society of
(01:29):
Homeopaths.
If you do, then you need tofind a school.
That is what's the word.
I don't know if certified mightbe the right word, Like
accredited or something.
Accredited that's the word.
Accredited, yeah, that's theword.
So you can look on the NASHwebsite, North American Society
of Homeopaths website, to seewhich schools are accredited so
that you can become a registeredhomeopath.
(01:51):
You need to look at yourstate's laws.
There's also a document, a PDFdocument, on the NASH website
with state by state laws so youcan see in Texas do you have to
be a registered homeopath?
Can you even practice as ahomeopath?
(02:11):
What can you say?
What can you do?
So that's the place to start islook at your laws in your state
and then I'll give my opinion.
Um, I'm not going to give myopinion, I'm going to keep that
to myself.
So the so che's, um che iscenters for homeopathic
(02:32):
education.
They are in london.
If you complete that program,it's an amazing program and then
you can be um a registeredhomeopath with n Nash at when
you complete that program.
Um, of course, my favorite, myfavorite favorite is Dr Murphy
and um sweet little baby.
(02:56):
I saw a sweet little arm.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
He's getting big enough he can sneak in now and
unlock doors and stuff.
Oh, if you guys are watching,you just got a little, a little
glimpse of his arm, Yep.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Um.
So Dr Murphy, Dr Robin Murphy'sprogram is my favorite.
Um, he was an absolute genius.
Anything you can learn from him, um, you're going to be, you're
, you're going to be good, right, it's going to be really good.
And then there's two differentways, though, to go through Dr
(03:34):
Murphy's program.
One is through the LotusWellness Cottage.
That's where I suggest you gothrough the program.
The other is Lotus WellnessInstitute.
No, Lotus Health Institute,Lotus Health Institute Not that
that's a bad program, it's not.
(03:55):
But what you're it's actuallyit's the same material.
But through Lotus WellnessCottage, you're going to get a
lot more support student support, their student support calls
you get to get you know youryour personal questions answered
.
You're going to have a lot, alot more support, which you need
.
Um, the Lotus Health Institute,you're on your own.
I mean, I'm not saying there'sno support and I definitely
(04:17):
don't want to put them.
I don't want to put that onedown at all.
Um, it's just, if you do DrMurphy's program, all it's just
if you do Dr Murphy's program,Lotus Wellness Cottage is going
to be my top choice.
So, and then, if you reallywant to wait, I'm in the very
beginning stages of creating myown academy, and I will not
(04:39):
create or release this academyif I cannot create or release
this academy, if I cannot, if Ican't be accredited through NASH
.
I just feel like, if you, ifyou're gonna go through my
program, I want you to be ableto be a registered homeopath.
If you want to be so, it'sgoing to take time.
I'm in the beginning stages atthe time of this recording, so
(05:02):
whenever that happens, you'llget notified for sure by email.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
So excited for that, as you know.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Well, you know the different what's what's going to
be.
You're going to have to havethe basic.
You're going to have to haveeverything through me that you
have at any other school, butthe difference is going to be
that I'm a Christian, and so ifthat's a strong belief of yours,
then you're going to be able tolearn in a safe place where we
(05:34):
won't get into non-Christianthings.
Homeopathy is not a spiritualthing.
So I've been hearing this.
I've been hearing this lately,where there was somebody that
said you know, they just kind ofput it out there Homeopathy is
not spiritual.
Why are we trying to make itspiritual?
I'm not.
I'm spiritual.
(05:55):
I carry the Holy Spirit right,Living for Jesus.
This is who I am, so I can'tseparate it from what I do.
I can't separate myself fromwhat I do.
Therefore, it's in everythingthat I do.
So, no, this is not going to be.
No, homeopathy is not spiritual.
(06:17):
But going through my academy,you're going to get
encouragement, prayer and you'renot going to be led into any
non-Christian things that arebig in the natural healthcare
world.
There you go, that's it.
So let's talk about mast cellactivation syndrome.
(06:37):
You ready?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yes, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Okay, do you want to go through the definition?
I?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
will.
Okay, do you want to go throughthe definition, I will.
Mast cell activation syndromeor MCAS, I believe right is what
we say for short is a conditionwhere the body releases
excessive histamine causing anoveractive immune response.
Mast cells so M-A-S-T mastcells are a part of your immune
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system.
They're made in your bonemarrow and then they move
through your bloodstream intoyour tissue.
Mature mast cells live intissues throughout your body and
help protect you from hazardsaround you.
They also help fight infectionsand regulate your organs.
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So in the activation syndromeis those are activated, really
like over activated Um, sothey're releasing that excessive
histamine or the histaminecauses that immune response.
I'm sorry Um causes can includesometimes just post COVID
because of the big immune systemdisruption and we see some
(07:47):
weird stuff after COVID.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So listen, I'd never heard of MCAS until 2019.
I'm not saying that it I'm notsaying that it was new in 2019.
But I never heard of it.
I remember the first personthat ever came to me and said
like she wanted my help and shesaid she has MCAS.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And I was like, well, it was very rare, I guess I
mean my limited experience ofthe world.
Yeah, I had maybe heard of itonce or twice, even in the
natural community, and it wasreally, really extreme.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
And the people that I did hear about it in and then
COVID came along and I believe,just turn that on, and so many
people activate it.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, yeah, that's so interesting to think about what
else Causes can beenvironmental sensitivities,
exposure to triggers thatoverstimulate those mast cells,
kind of like COVID or otherthings, and then immune system
dysregulation.
So those are kind of the same,different ways of saying similar
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things, but that symptom, thesymptoms can be intense allergic
reactions, vomiting normalfoods, fainting spells,
abdominal migraines, blurredvision, brain fog, tachycardia,
which is a rapid heart rate,inability to regulate body
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temperature, constant sneezing,dry cough, a flushed face,
especially after drinking wine,the need for beta blockers to
prevent passing out, the needfor antihistamines, widespread
inflammation andhypersensitivity to various
substances.
Mcas can cause a whole bodyeffect beyond just your typical
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allergy symptoms, and mayrequire a comprehensive
treatment approach which couldinclude so homeopathic remedies
that we're going to talk about,histamine, reducing supplements
or foods, like maybe for aperiod of time, adjusting your
diet and addressing underlyingcauses.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah.
So I want to talk through thesymptoms that Okay.
So somebody comes to me withblurred vision, brain fog,
sneezing and dry cough, I'm notgoing to automatically think
(10:20):
MCAS.
Right, those can be a milliondifferent things.
It's the intense allergicreactions.
Possibly the fainting spells,possibly of the abdominal
migraines might make me thinkMCAS.
But you know, tachycardia, Ithink, is big.
(10:42):
The inability to regulatetemperature could be a hormone
issue, so I'm not going toautomatically think MCAS.
The flushed face when somebodytells me they drink wine, they
get a flushed face.
I'm thinking.
I'm thinking histamine response.
Right then.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
No, but you continue.
Cause, then I have a questionabout some of these.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
So the?
Um, I don't.
I haven't really met anybody inthese beta blockers to be to
prevent passing out, but thatwould be a big, a big bell in my
mind.
The need for antihistaminesjust to live and function.
Yeah, that's a histamineproblem.
You know, if the, if theantihistamines make them feel
better, um, widespreadinflammation, I mean, that's
(11:24):
like fibromyalgia and IBS.
You know all the umbrella terms, um, but here's the number one
thing hypersensitivity toeverything.
They're hypersensitive tochemicals, hypers, they get
headaches when they smellperfume.
Hypersensitive to chemicals,they get headaches when they
smell perfume.
Hypersensitive to medicationsand remedies.
So they have big reactions.
They can take a lot less of amedication, a lower dose or less
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frequent, and get the sameresponse as someone who needs
the full dose.
But they also have these peopleoverreact to homeopathic
remedies.
Most often, when I see peopleare having big fat reactions to
every homeopathic remedy, that'sand I don't do it right away,
so I don't start right away withoh my gosh, you must have MCAS.
(12:16):
It's a process.
It's a process that over time,I'm like oh, you're doing this
every time with every remedy.
Therefore, I want to, I want tolook at MCAS.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
And do you think?
Something that stands out to mewhen I'm thinking of when MCAS
would come to mind is when therewas a a pretty significant
sudden change, even if it waslike so, most of the life
they've been fine, but maybethey got sick, or over the past
couple of years, after moldexposure, after something else.
Then there's these pile on,like piled on um allergic
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reactions to things, or whenthere's a lot of them that are
all over the place, so like ifsomebody just comes with
seasonal allergies, it'sobviously in the spring and the
fall and then they're okay.
Or you know some of thesesymptoms that present very
specifically to a food but it'salmost the people I have seen
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anyway with it have.
They have weird responses toit's all across the board and
it's very unpredictable and it'srespiratory or it's digestive
or it's headaches and it's allover.
Then I that's at least kind ofwhere my mind goes is you're
kind of your body isoverreacting, it's oversensitive
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to all kinds of things, thatthere's no pattern, there's not
consistency and it justescalates.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Would you?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
agree with that.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, absolutely it's that.
That's the.
That's the thing.
It's the overreaction to allkinds of things.
You know that you justshouldn't have so, even stress.
You know, a little tinystressor comes and there's this
big.
You have this big, terrible, um, flare, that's the word.
(14:04):
I hear flare, oh, I'm in aflare because I had this, you
know, this stressor or whatever,and a flare could last a day or
a week or a month, you knowwhere.
Then you're just like knockedout down.
You know, no, no energy, allthe things.
It's just, it's a very, it's avery different.
(14:25):
I don't want to say weird,because I definitely am not
calling any person weird, butit's a very different thing.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Well, I think that the syndrome, or whatever they
call it condition, is weird,meaning like it's it is a pretty
, but like when I hear of thesepeople it is, it's is weird.
Meaning like it's it isn'tpretty, but like when I hear of
these people it is.
It's hard to track, it's hardto follow.
They aren't even always surethey're not weird, but their
symptoms are weird.
Like it doesn't connect tonormal stuff, it changes and it
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makes it difficult and I mean Iwould not blame people if
they're feeling crazy about it.
You know, like their mentalstate feels crazy because they
can't figure it out right rightbecause we want to figure it out
.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, a lot of us feel better when we have answers
, and that's why I lovehomeopathy.
I don't have to have the answer, I just need to know the.
I just just need the sign.
Tell me which.
How do you avoid the?
Speaker 1 (15:19):
thing If you don't know what's going to trigger you
that day or where it's going tohappen.
If it is the chemicalsensitivity, well how do you
know where you're going If theyhave the thing that's bothering
you?
And that's a hard way to livereally hard, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
So some natural, oh, go ahead.
What?
I yeah, yeah, so some natural ohgo ahead what I was going to
say, so options that we havegood options for that.
Natural treatment optionsinclude, of course, homeopathic
remedies, and um, histaminum isa big one.
Histaminum is a greathomeopathic remedy for MCAS, a
great place to start.
You can also consider I'venever used these, but you could
(15:59):
consider homeopathic versions ofsupplements Like I don't even
know if I'm saying these rightDeo, luteolin or quercetin.
You could use homeopathicversion, right, those
supplements in potency?
Nuxvomica, belladonna,hyosciamus Carcinocin, I would
(16:21):
think would be a really big one.
Uranium for intense cases and Ican't tell you why that is,
I've never used uranium.
You'd have to read it in theMateria Medica.
Carbolic acid for reducinghistamine, but also histaminum
helps you.
Okay, so it sounds likecarbolic acid reduces histamine,
but histaminum helps your bodyto.
(16:44):
Um, I want to.
The dog barked and scared me.
I want to say use the histaminecorrectly.
Does that even make sense?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Well, it brings balance to that part of it,
right?
I would say that that's true,instead of like over-releasing
the histamines.
That's true.
It calms them with that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, bring balance.
That's exactly it.
Yeah, because we have histaminewe just need.
It's not doing the right.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Well, we just need.
We can't do it.
Well, we want it to happen whenthere's a problem.
That's right.
So you know that there was aproblem, but you don't want it
to happen all the time when,like it's acting like there's a
threatening thing, when there'snot.
Um, and that is, I think, whatmakes this hard for me to
understand is because thesepeople react to a food that
their body's not actuallyallergic to, but it's misreading
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the problem and treating itlike an allergy.
So how do you know if it's the?
And, like, cutting the fooddoes help, but they don't come
up and show they're allergic toeverything.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
So right, which is why histaminum is such a great
first choice.
Yes, yeah, okay.
And then binders to calmhistamine are bentonite clay,
zeolite, which is a Novotase,lemu Z6 is a zeolite, and
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charcoal Z6 is a zeolite andcharcoal.
And then some additional thingsyou could do are removing
underlying cause of overreaction, which we don't love,
especially not long term.
Addressing environmentaltriggers, potentially using
over-the-counter antihistamineslike Benadryl in crisis
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situations.
Listen, seriously, I left thisnote in here about Benadryl
because in a crisis situation,if histaminum isn't working in
the moment because you can usehistaminum acutely or
chronically, then take theBenadryl and don't beat yourself
up.
Right, we're going to getthrough the crisis and then
we're going to keep going anddoing the best we can.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Um, people who were taking antihistamines once or
twice a day all the time overtime.
They don't need them as much,but they're still.
We'll use it if there's a well,what you said, a flare or
whatever.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, do it.
Yeah, um, castor oil to help tohelp move toxins.
And dietary modifications.
Dietary modifications which,again, I don't love as a long
term answer, but short term,yeah, you could change your diet
.
Well, okay, dietarymodifications.
If you're not eating a gooddiet, then yeah, we want you to
change it in that way.
(19:33):
But just removing whole foodgroups?
Um, you know, I don't, I don'tagree with that long term.
So we want to heal the gut.
Um, there may be, there mayneed to be, a um multi-layered
approach combining remedies tolower histamine response and
addressing root causes.
Um, I also wanted to just so Ilisted the remedies, the main
(20:04):
remedies for MCAS, write thosedown, read them in the Materia
Medica For potency, go low andslow when you don't know, and we
are going to teach a classspecifically on MCAS in the
future.
So then we're going to go intodetail about how to choose which
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remedy, how to choose potency,case management, case taking,
all the things.
But I want to point out thatthere is a Banerjee protocol
located on homeopathic remediesonline, the first line protocol.
(20:50):
It says on there to do it forthree months and it has.
I just wanted to share.
It's been my experience thatmost people with MCAS cannot
handle all these remedies andthis frequent dosing.
So I'm not saying you shouldn'tuse it or try this.
(21:11):
I think it could be reallyindividual.
If you love Banerjee protocolsand you've had great success
with those, we've had greatsuccess with some Banerjee
protocols not all of them.
We've had great success withsome bandergy protocols not all
of them.
But it just because it's beenmy experience that people with
MCAS are highly sensitive.
I can't even imagine what theywould do with all these remedies
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and these high potencies.
And and again, everybody'sdifferent, so not everybody's
going to have big fat reactions,but this would.
This would intimidate me alittle bit to try so um, so of
course, an aggravation of aremedy is not dangerous.
What are you going to say, brie?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Um, I wonder, and I truly don't know, how many
people are actually diagnosedwith it.
I feel like we see thesymptomology, but do your, do
you have clients who've, likethose people, have been
diagnosed?
Do traditional medicinediagnosed MCAS?
That's a great question.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
You know, when people come to me and say they have
MCAS, so just like every, youknow other things, other
conditions that we've talkedabout.
If someone comes to me and saysI have MCAS, what does that
mean?
What does that look like foryou, what are your symptoms?
So I'm still going to be askingthe same things and addressing
the presenting symptoms.
So that's, you know, that's why, um, I don't, I don't think.
(22:34):
I think that's why I haven'tasked are you, you know?
Were you diagnosed by atraditional doctor or how was
this diagnosed?
But you're right, in a Banerjeeprotocol, it should be a
diagnosis that you have from adoctor.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
It looks like it is, I mean it's recognized in
Western medicine.
It looks like what it looks likeit is recognized in Western
medicine, but I don't thinkthere's very clear, just from my
quick overview, very clearparameters.
Okay, so that was just aquestion I had, so and the point
(23:13):
of that really was to just say,kind of like a thyroid, kind of
like the thyroid protocol, Ifyou are not diagnosed
hypothyroid I don't know that Iwould say, use the protocol,
right, you know something likethat where, just because you
have presenting symptoms, thereare still remedies you can use
to treat the symptoms.
(23:33):
That will treat mast cell ifthat's what it is without using
this protocol, or you know, thatis pretty.
That's a lot of remedies ingeneral for any protocol.
So especially for somethinglike mast cell, that's quite a
bit.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
It is, yeah, bovista 200, lachesis 200, antimonium
Crudum 6C, arsenicum Album 3Cand Liquid Ipecac 30 and Apis 30
.
Um and so.
And then it has clearinstructions on the website on
how to take these.
Um, you know when, how, all thethings.
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So very clear instructions.
So if you choose to go with theBanerjee protocol from
homeopathic remedies online, youcan look that up when you go to
their website.
You can just click on or youcan search.
You can actually search MCAS,m-c-a-s, and it'll come up.
So what we're going to do isteach a course on MCAS because
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it's become so prominent andbecause it can be confusing.
It's become so prominent andbecause it can be confusing, and
I just want to.
I want to help people that havethis to.
Here's what I'm trying to dowith somebody that I suspect
MCAS.
I'm trying to calm theirhistamine responses so that we
can actually use remedies toaddress their symptoms.
That's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And so what do you think of Calcarb in a situation
like that?
When I hear overreactive immunesystem, I think, just in my
experience with Calcarb, itsounds like a good remedy, right
?
Yeah, I think it could be Forthe immune system in general.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, yep, that's a great idea, so you know low
potency.
Yep, that's a great idea, soyou know low potency.
Here's the thing with some ofthese these people with um, mcas
, because they overreact with umto remedies is they might need
a six C in water, one drop onceper week.
I mean I've I've got peoplethat are doing that and then
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they don't have, they don'toverreact that are doing that
and then they don't have, theydon't overreact.
So, yeah, all right.
Well, um, if you're subscribedto emails, you'll hear about the
course when we get it out, andthanks for tuning in.
Welcome back to Homeopathy at Home with Melissa.
Hey, Melissa.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Hey Brie, I'm excited to talk about mast cell
activation syndrome tonight.
We're just going to do a littleintroduction.
We're not going to dive deep,but it's going to be fun and I'm
actually I'm looking forward tothis.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I'm sure I will have some questions, because I know
enough and also not enough.
So, as usual, I'll come withsome good questions for you guys
, hopefully.
But before we do that, we havesome fan mail, and this one is
from Texas.
So I'm going to read it andMelissa is going to answer it.
(00:40):
She says Hello, I'm in Texasand very interested in becoming
a practitioner.
In your opinion, what is thebest school to become certified?
Thank you so much, leslie.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I love this question because we need more homeopaths,
and so the question is the bestschool to become certified?
And you know you can get acertification from any school
that you go to homeopath withthe North American Society of
(01:29):
Homeopaths.
If you do, then you need tofind a school.
That is what's the word.
I don't know if certified mightbe the right word, Like
accredited or something.
Accredited that's the word.
Accredited, yeah, that's theword.
So you can look on the NASHwebsite, North American Society
of Homeopaths website, to seewhich schools are accredited so
that you can become a registeredhomeopath.
(01:51):
You need to look at yourstate's laws.
There's also a document, a PDFdocument, on the NASH website
with state by state laws so youcan see in Texas do you have to
be a registered homeopath?
Can you even practice as ahomeopath?
(02:11):
What can you say?
What can you do?
So that's the place to start islook at your laws in your state
and then I'll give my opinion.
Um, I'm not going to give myopinion, I'm going to keep that
to myself.
So the so che's, um che iscenters for homeopathic
(02:32):
education.
They are in london.
If you complete that program,it's an amazing program and then
you can be um a registeredhomeopath with n Nash at when
you complete that program.
Um, of course, my favorite, myfavorite favorite is Dr Murphy
and um sweet little baby.
(02:56):
I saw a sweet little arm.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
He's getting big enough he can sneak in now and
unlock doors and stuff.
Oh, if you guys are watching,you just got a little, a little
glimpse of his arm, Yep.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Um.
So Dr Murphy, Dr Robin Murphy'sprogram is my favorite.
Um, he was an absolute genius.
Anything you can learn from him, um, you're going to be, you're
, you're going to be good, right, it's going to be really good.
And then there's two differentways, though, to go through Dr
(03:34):
Murphy's program.
One is through the LotusWellness Cottage.
That's where I suggest you gothrough the program.
The other is Lotus WellnessInstitute.
No, Lotus Health Institute,Lotus Health Institute Not that
that's a bad program, it's not.
(03:55):
But what you're it's actuallyit's the same material.
But through Lotus WellnessCottage, you're going to get a
lot more support student support, their student support calls
you get to get you know youryour personal questions answered
.
You're going to have a lot, alot more support, which you need
.
Um, the Lotus Health Institute,you're on your own.
I mean, I'm not saying there'sno support and I definitely
(04:17):
don't want to put them.
I don't want to put that onedown at all.
Um, it's just, if you do DrMurphy's program, all it's just
if you do Dr Murphy's program,Lotus Wellness Cottage is going
to be my top choice.
So, and then, if you reallywant to wait, I'm in the very
beginning stages of creating myown academy, and I will not
(04:39):
create or release this academyif I cannot create or release
this academy, if I cannot, if Ican't be accredited through NASH
.
I just feel like, if you, ifyou're gonna go through my
program, I want you to be ableto be a registered homeopath.
If you want to be so, it'sgoing to take time.
I'm in the beginning stages atthe time of this recording, so
(05:02):
whenever that happens, you'llget notified for sure by email.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
So excited for that, as you know.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Well, you know the different what's what's going to
be.
You're going to have to havethe basic.
You're going to have to haveeverything through me that you
have at any other school, butthe difference is going to be
that I'm a Christian, and so ifthat's a strong belief of yours,
then you're going to be able tolearn in a safe place where we
(05:34):
won't get into non-Christianthings.
Homeopathy is not a spiritualthing.
So I've been hearing this.
I've been hearing this lately,where there was somebody that
said you know, they just kind ofput it out there Homeopathy is
not spiritual.
Why are we trying to make itspiritual?
I'm not.
I'm spiritual.
(05:55):
I carry the Holy Spirit right,Living for Jesus.
This is who I am, so I can'tseparate it from what I do.
I can't separate myself fromwhat I do.
Therefore, it's in everythingthat I do.
So, no, this is not going to be.
No, homeopathy is not spiritual.
(06:17):
But going through my academy,you're going to get
encouragement, prayer and you'renot going to be led into any
non-Christian things that arebig in the natural healthcare
world.
There you go, that's it.
So let's talk about mast cellactivation syndrome.
(06:37):
You ready?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yes, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Okay, do you want to go through the definition?
I?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
will.
Okay, do you want to go throughthe definition, I will.
Mast cell activation syndromeor MCAS, I believe right is what
we say for short is a conditionwhere the body releases
excessive histamine causing anoveractive immune response.
Mast cells so M-A-S-T mastcells are a part of your immune
(07:05):
system.
They're made in your bonemarrow and then they move
through your bloodstream intoyour tissue.
Mature mast cells live intissues throughout your body and
help protect you from hazardsaround you.
They also help fight infectionsand regulate your organs.
(07:26):
So in the activation syndromeis those are activated, really
like over activated Um, sothey're releasing that excessive
histamine or the histaminecauses that immune response.
I'm sorry Um causes can includesometimes just post COVID
because of the big immune systemdisruption and we see some
(07:47):
weird stuff after COVID.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So listen, I'd never heard of MCAS until 2019.
I'm not saying that it I'm notsaying that it was new in 2019.
But I never heard of it.
I remember the first personthat ever came to me and said
like she wanted my help and shesaid she has MCAS.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And I was like, well, it was very rare, I guess I
mean my limited experience ofthe world.
Yeah, I had maybe heard of itonce or twice, even in the
natural community, and it wasreally, really extreme.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
And the people that I did hear about it in and then
COVID came along and I believe,just turn that on, and so many
people activate it.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, yeah, that's so interesting to think about what
else Causes can beenvironmental sensitivities,
exposure to triggers thatoverstimulate those mast cells,
kind of like COVID or otherthings, and then immune system
dysregulation.
So those are kind of the same,different ways of saying similar
(08:51):
things, but that symptom, thesymptoms can be intense allergic
reactions, vomiting normalfoods, fainting spells,
abdominal migraines, blurredvision, brain fog, tachycardia,
which is a rapid heart rate,inability to regulate body
(09:12):
temperature, constant sneezing,dry cough, a flushed face,
especially after drinking wine,the need for beta blockers to
prevent passing out, the needfor antihistamines, widespread
inflammation andhypersensitivity to various
substances.
Mcas can cause a whole bodyeffect beyond just your typical
(09:37):
allergy symptoms, and mayrequire a comprehensive
treatment approach which couldinclude so homeopathic remedies
that we're going to talk about,histamine, reducing supplements
or foods, like maybe for aperiod of time, adjusting your
diet and addressing underlyingcauses.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah.
So I want to talk through thesymptoms that Okay.
So somebody comes to me withblurred vision, brain fog,
sneezing and dry cough, I'm notgoing to automatically think
(10:20):
MCAS.
Right, those can be a milliondifferent things.
It's the intense allergicreactions.
Possibly the fainting spells,possibly of the abdominal
migraines might make me thinkMCAS.
But you know, tachycardia, Ithink, is big.
(10:42):
The inability to regulatetemperature could be a hormone
issue, so I'm not going toautomatically think MCAS.
The flushed face when somebodytells me they drink wine, they
get a flushed face.
I'm thinking.
I'm thinking histamine response.
Right then.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
No, but you continue.
Cause, then I have a questionabout some of these.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
So the?
Um, I don't.
I haven't really met anybody inthese beta blockers to be to
prevent passing out, but thatwould be a big, a big bell in my
mind.
The need for antihistaminesjust to live and function.
Yeah, that's a histamineproblem.
You know, if the, if theantihistamines make them feel
better, um, widespreadinflammation, I mean, that's
(11:24):
like fibromyalgia and IBS.
You know all the umbrella terms, um, but here's the number one
thing hypersensitivity toeverything.
They're hypersensitive tochemicals, hypers, they get
headaches when they smellperfume.
Hypersensitive to chemicals,they get headaches when they
smell perfume.
Hypersensitive to medicationsand remedies.
So they have big reactions.
They can take a lot less of amedication, a lower dose or less
(11:51):
frequent, and get the sameresponse as someone who needs
the full dose.
But they also have these peopleoverreact to homeopathic
remedies.
Most often, when I see peopleare having big fat reactions to
every homeopathic remedy, that'sand I don't do it right away,
so I don't start right away withoh my gosh, you must have MCAS.
(12:16):
It's a process.
It's a process that over time,I'm like oh, you're doing this
every time with every remedy.
Therefore, I want to, I want tolook at MCAS.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
And do you think?
Something that stands out to mewhen I'm thinking of when MCAS
would come to mind is when therewas a a pretty significant
sudden change, even if it waslike so, most of the life
they've been fine, but maybethey got sick, or over the past
couple of years, after moldexposure, after something else.
Then there's these pile on,like piled on um allergic
(12:52):
reactions to things, or whenthere's a lot of them that are
all over the place, so like ifsomebody just comes with
seasonal allergies, it'sobviously in the spring and the
fall and then they're okay.
Or you know some of thesesymptoms that present very
specifically to a food but it'salmost the people I have seen
(13:14):
anyway with it have.
They have weird responses toit's all across the board and
it's very unpredictable and it'srespiratory or it's digestive
or it's headaches and it's allover.
Then I that's at least kind ofwhere my mind goes is you're
kind of your body isoverreacting, it's oversensitive
(13:34):
to all kinds of things, thatthere's no pattern, there's not
consistency and it justescalates.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Would you?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
agree with that.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, absolutely it's that.
That's the.
That's the thing.
It's the overreaction to allkinds of things.
You know that you justshouldn't have so, even stress.
You know, a little tinystressor comes and there's this
big.
You have this big, terrible, um, flare, that's the word.
(14:04):
I hear flare, oh, I'm in aflare because I had this, you
know, this stressor or whatever,and a flare could last a day or
a week or a month, you knowwhere.
Then you're just like knockedout down.
You know, no, no energy, allthe things.
It's just, it's a very, it's avery different.
(14:25):
I don't want to say weird,because I definitely am not
calling any person weird, butit's a very different thing.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Well, I think that the syndrome, or whatever they
call it condition, is weird,meaning like it's it is a pretty
, but like when I hear of thesepeople it is, it's is weird.
Meaning like it's it isn'tpretty, but like when I hear of
these people it is.
It's hard to track, it's hardto follow.
They aren't even always surethey're not weird, but their
symptoms are weird.
Like it doesn't connect tonormal stuff, it changes and it
(14:52):
makes it difficult and I mean Iwould not blame people if
they're feeling crazy about it.
You know, like their mentalstate feels crazy because they
can't figure it out right rightbecause we want to figure it out
.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, a lot of us feel better when we have answers
, and that's why I lovehomeopathy.
I don't have to have the answer, I just need to know the.
I just just need the sign.
Tell me which.
How do you avoid the?
Speaker 1 (15:19):
thing If you don't know what's going to trigger you
that day or where it's going tohappen.
If it is the chemicalsensitivity, well how do you
know where you're going If theyhave the thing that's bothering
you?
And that's a hard way to livereally hard, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
So some natural, oh, go ahead.
What?
I yeah, yeah, so some natural ohgo ahead what I was going to
say, so options that we havegood options for that.
Natural treatment optionsinclude, of course, homeopathic
remedies, and um, histaminum isa big one.
Histaminum is a greathomeopathic remedy for MCAS, a
great place to start.
You can also consider I'venever used these, but you could
(15:59):
consider homeopathic versions ofsupplements Like I don't even
know if I'm saying these rightDeo, luteolin or quercetin.
You could use homeopathicversion, right, those
supplements in potency?
Nuxvomica, belladonna,hyosciamus Carcinocin, I would
(16:21):
think would be a really big one.
Uranium for intense cases and Ican't tell you why that is,
I've never used uranium.
You'd have to read it in theMateria Medica.
Carbolic acid for reducinghistamine, but also histaminum
helps you.
Okay, so it sounds likecarbolic acid reduces histamine,
but histaminum helps your bodyto.
(16:44):
Um, I want to.
The dog barked and scared me.
I want to say use the histaminecorrectly.
Does that even make sense?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Well, it brings balance to that part of it,
right?
I would say that that's true,instead of like over-releasing
the histamines.
That's true.
It calms them with that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, bring balance.
That's exactly it.
Yeah, because we have histaminewe just need.
It's not doing the right.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Well, we just need.
We can't do it.
Well, we want it to happen whenthere's a problem.
That's right.
So you know that there was aproblem, but you don't want it
to happen all the time when,like it's acting like there's a
threatening thing, when there'snot.
Um, and that is, I think, whatmakes this hard for me to
understand is because thesepeople react to a food that
their body's not actuallyallergic to, but it's misreading
(17:43):
the problem and treating itlike an allergy.
So how do you know if it's the?
And, like, cutting the fooddoes help, but they don't come
up and show they're allergic toeverything.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
So right, which is why histaminum is such a great
first choice.
Yes, yeah, okay.
And then binders to calmhistamine are bentonite clay,
zeolite, which is a Novotase,lemu Z6 is a zeolite, and
(18:17):
charcoal Z6 is a zeolite andcharcoal.
And then some additional thingsyou could do are removing
underlying cause of overreaction, which we don't love,
especially not long term.
Addressing environmentaltriggers, potentially using
over-the-counter antihistamineslike Benadryl in crisis
(18:39):
situations.
Listen, seriously, I left thisnote in here about Benadryl
because in a crisis situation,if histaminum isn't working in
the moment because you can usehistaminum acutely or
chronically, then take theBenadryl and don't beat yourself
up.
Right, we're going to getthrough the crisis and then
we're going to keep going anddoing the best we can.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Um, people who were taking antihistamines once or
twice a day all the time overtime.
They don't need them as much,but they're still.
We'll use it if there's a well,what you said, a flare or
whatever.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, do it.
Yeah, um, castor oil to help tohelp move toxins.
And dietary modifications.
Dietary modifications which,again, I don't love as a long
term answer, but short term,yeah, you could change your diet
.
Well, okay, dietarymodifications.
If you're not eating a gooddiet, then yeah, we want you to
change it in that way.
(19:33):
But just removing whole foodgroups?
Um, you know, I don't, I don'tagree with that long term.
So we want to heal the gut.
Um, there may be, there mayneed to be, a um multi-layered
approach combining remedies tolower histamine response and
addressing root causes.
Um, I also wanted to just so Ilisted the remedies, the main
(20:04):
remedies for MCAS, write thosedown, read them in the Materia
Medica For potency, go low andslow when you don't know, and we
are going to teach a classspecifically on MCAS in the
future.
So then we're going to go intodetail about how to choose which
(20:27):
remedy, how to choose potency,case management, case taking,
all the things.
But I want to point out thatthere is a Banerjee protocol
located on homeopathic remediesonline, the first line protocol.
(20:50):
It says on there to do it forthree months and it has.
I just wanted to share.
It's been my experience thatmost people with MCAS cannot
handle all these remedies andthis frequent dosing.
So I'm not saying you shouldn'tuse it or try this.
(21:11):
I think it could be reallyindividual.
If you love Banerjee protocolsand you've had great success
with those, we've had greatsuccess with some Banerjee
protocols not all of them.
We've had great success withsome bandergy protocols not all
of them.
But it just because it's beenmy experience that people with
MCAS are highly sensitive.
I can't even imagine what theywould do with all these remedies
(21:33):
and these high potencies.
And and again, everybody'sdifferent, so not everybody's
going to have big fat reactions,but this would.
This would intimidate me alittle bit to try so um, so of
course, an aggravation of aremedy is not dangerous.
What are you going to say, brie?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Um, I wonder, and I truly don't know, how many
people are actually diagnosedwith it.
I feel like we see thesymptomology, but do your, do
you have clients who've, likethose people, have been
diagnosed?
Do traditional medicinediagnosed MCAS?
That's a great question.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
You know, when people come to me and say they have
MCAS, so just like every, youknow other things, other
conditions that we've talkedabout.
If someone comes to me and saysI have MCAS, what does that
mean?
What does that look like foryou, what are your symptoms?
So I'm still going to be askingthe same things and addressing
the presenting symptoms.
So that's, you know, that's why, um, I don't, I don't think.
(22:34):
I think that's why I haven'tasked are you, you know?
Were you diagnosed by atraditional doctor or how was
this diagnosed?
But you're right, in a Banerjeeprotocol, it should be a
diagnosis that you have from adoctor.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
It looks like it is, I mean it's recognized in
Western medicine.
It looks like what it looks likeit is recognized in Western
medicine, but I don't thinkthere's very clear, just from my
quick overview, very clearparameters.
Okay, so that was just aquestion I had, so and the point
(23:13):
of that really was to just say,kind of like a thyroid, kind of
like the thyroid protocol, Ifyou are not diagnosed
hypothyroid I don't know that Iwould say, use the protocol,
right, you know something likethat where, just because you
have presenting symptoms, thereare still remedies you can use
to treat the symptoms.
(23:33):
That will treat mast cell ifthat's what it is without using
this protocol, or you know, thatis pretty.
That's a lot of remedies ingeneral for any protocol.
So especially for somethinglike mast cell, that's quite a
bit.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
It is, yeah, bovista 200, lachesis 200, antimonium
Crudum 6C, arsenicum Album 3Cand Liquid Ipecac 30 and Apis 30
.
Um and so.
And then it has clearinstructions on the website on
how to take these.
Um, you know when, how, all thethings.
(24:12):
So very clear instructions.
So if you choose to go with theBanerjee protocol from
homeopathic remedies online, youcan look that up when you go to
their website.
You can just click on or youcan search.
You can actually search MCAS,m-c-a-s, and it'll come up.
So what we're going to do isteach a course on MCAS because
(24:37):
it's become so prominent andbecause it can be confusing.
It's become so prominent andbecause it can be confusing, and
I just want to.
I want to help people that havethis to.
Here's what I'm trying to dowith somebody that I suspect
MCAS.
I'm trying to calm theirhistamine responses so that we
can actually use remedies toaddress their symptoms.
That's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And so what do you think of Calcarb in a situation
like that?
When I hear overreactive immunesystem, I think, just in my
experience with Calcarb, itsounds like a good remedy, right
?
Yeah, I think it could be Forthe immune system in general.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, yep, that's a great idea, so you know low
potency.
Yep, that's a great idea, soyou know low potency.
Here's the thing with some ofthese these people with um, mcas
, because they overreact with umto remedies is they might need
a six C in water, one drop onceper week.
I mean I've I've got peoplethat are doing that and then
(25:39):
they don't have, they don'toverreact that are doing that
and then they don't have, theydon't overreact.
So, yeah, all right.
Well, um, if you're subscribedto emails, you'll hear about the
course when we get it out, andthanks for tuning in.
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