January 6, 2025 • 45 mins
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Can a simple homeopathic remedy transform your emotional well-being and intimate relationships? Join us on "Homeopathy at Home with Melissa," where we uncover the powerful impact of Sepia, particularly for women who have been on birth control from a young age. We'll explore Sepia's extensive profile in the Materia Medica, emphasizing the importance of starting with lower potencies like 6C to avoid aggravations and ensure a gentle healing process. Hear personal stories and expert insights on how to navigate potential side effects and maximize the benefits of this incredible remedy.
Ever wondered how birth control might be affecting your relationship and mental health? We'll explore the broader implications of hormonal and non-hormonal birth control methods, shedding light on how they can influence feelings of repulsion towards partners, irritability, and even marital satisfaction. Understanding these hormonal effects can assist in managing feelings of unjustified shame and relationship issues. We delve deep into the postpartum emotional challenges many women face, discussing the irrational feelings of anger and detachment and how Sepia can help alleviate symptoms of postpartum depression, anxiety, and physical conditions like incontinence.
Lastly, we introduce the "Start, Stop, Continue" exercise as a transformative tool for enhancing relationships and fostering personal development. Learn how Melissa and her husband Kyle use this method to communicate effectively, support each other, and promote positive behaviors within their family. This episode is packed with actionable insights and heartwarming personal experiences, offering a holistic approach to managing hormonal imbalances and improving emotional well-being through homeopathy and effective communication. Tune in and discover how to enhance your life and relationships with the wisdom shared in this episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to homeopathy at home with Melissa.
Hey, Melissa.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hey Brie, I am really excited to talk about sepia
today.
It's such a big remedy.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
And it's so one that I feel like we commonly see in
practice with clients, but alsoin classes because, there are a
lot of women, so, naturally, andalso because of how many women
my generation, I don't knowabout yours too, but on birth
(00:34):
control, since we were likemiddle schoolers.
So we'll get into all that,yeah, but Materia Medica Monday,
we're going to do sepia.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, sepia is such a big remedy.
You know, if you go to yourMateria Medica and you open up
sepia, it's pages long and itreally is kind of overwhelming
how big sepia is.
So what I want to do with thisis just like we always do with
the Materia Medica Monday giveyou the keynotes, but also let's
(01:05):
talk a little bit about it,because it's such a big remedy
for women.
Um, that's used so often and,um, most women know sepia, right
, they're.
They're like oh yeah, you know,that was the first remedy I
ever tried, right, it was myfirst remedy, the first remedy I
ever tried.
Right, it was my first remedy.
(01:26):
The first remedy I was ever onwas sepia, and I do suggest
starting low and slow.
So if you heard my podcast fromthe summer of 2020, that's been
a long time ago I did used to dosepia Sunday.
I used to do sepia 200 once perweek.
I actually in that podcast saidonce or twice per week and
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there's nothing wrong with that.
So if you're doing that now oryou've done that before, there's
no danger.
That's the beauty of homeopathythere's nothing dangerous,
there's nothing terrible.
You didn't mess anything up.
But the reason I stopped doingthat and now I'm doing.
Usually I'll start with 6C onceor maybe twice per day.
The reason I changed is becauseI started to see women
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aggravating on 200C in differentways, and so we've got a whole
podcast on aggravations versusproving.
So if you don't know what I'mtalking about, please go listen
to that.
So I don't like to causeaggravations and of course it's
not me that's causing it butwhen I suggest a high potency
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remedy and then you have anaggravation, I feel bad.
I don't want you to do that.
I don't want to be aggravated.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Can I piggyback on that?
Because, from like a differentperspective too, I did the 200.
I did aggravate some.
Let's say that I was using itonce per week or twice per week.
It was working great and itreally just became apparent that
it was time to back off.
And it really just becameapparent that it was time to
(03:08):
back off and I didn't in time.
Mine were mental symptoms.
But what I will say and this iswhy I personally am comfortable
with aggravations, because Ilike to call them accelerations
I stopped it and I was 100%better Like I had.
I didn't have to take it againor um, or didn't have any of
those recurring symptoms for along time where I think
(03:30):
sometimes um, to avoid anyaggravating, it is a little bit
slower, a little bit longer of aprocess, more comfortable, more
gentle.
So you know, most people preferthat.
I prefer that for clients.
Um, personally, I didn't lovewhen I experienced it, but it
was short, maybe a week or two,and then I was totally fine.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So you are like that you are like that, like with
with um Bella Donna.
You're like, yeah, just do it.
And you threw, you know, throwme into the high fever, get it
over with and you're done.
And so, you know, my husband'slike that with being nauseous or
vomiting.
He's like, oh, I'd rather justdo it, get it over with.
I'm like, nope, I'd rather, I'drather feel bad for three days.
(04:14):
Then.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
So I had this a friend of mine use Nux Vomica.
She was.
She was vomiting, used NuxVvomica and it almost like she
purged a bunch of timesfollowing that and then was fine
, but she was.
I mean, I think it wouldtraumatize her for real.
She was like I never want touse Exvomica again and I
(04:37):
literally am like great, got itout of me.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Moving on from there, and I'm the same, like when
you're, when we're talking aboutsepia and aggravating.
I also aggravated on sepia 200and um no, I would always rather
go slow and not have theaggravation.
It's so funny.
So it's personality.
And and and that's the beautyof homeopathy too is the
aggravations aren't dangerous.
(05:01):
You can stop it if you don'tlike it, and that's really what
I want to say.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
You don't have to.
It didn't?
I wasn't in a bad place, itdidn't cause me to.
I mean, it wasn't like I wasdepressed or in a really bad
mental state and I knew what washappening.
I knew, oh, I just need to takeless of this, and so I did.
But you could even haveantidote it if I wanted.
I just didn't right so.
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But you don't have to be afraidof it.
I coming out the other side, itworks well, and so just don't
worry.
Even if you do aggravate, justadjust exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, that's right, so you have less of a chance of
aggravating on a 6c.
So if you're like me, then, um,then, then you know, start with
a 6C, and so let's talk aboutwhen what's.
I know, you know this and a lotof people know this, so let's
just get this right on out ofthe out of the way.
What's the number one reason,or the you know the the thing
(06:01):
that if you've ever done this inyour life, then you're probably
going to need sepia, syntheticbirth control.
Yes, yep.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah.
You don't think that almostanyone.
If you've ever done that andhave hormone or even mental
symptoms that maybe you don'tknow are hormonal.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Start with sepia.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Man, so Dr Murphy taught me about what birth
control does.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
It's awful.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
You know, that's probably what we should have.
What we should have been readyto talk about is birth control
and what it does and how awfulit is.
Did we talk about that?
And maybe the acne podcast atall?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I don't remember I feel like we have touched on
birth control all over, buthere's the thing too, with birth
control now there are so manytypes that the terminology
becomes different one that'sjust progesterone, one that's
both, one that's copper that theterminology chain has changed.
(07:02):
The options have grown, um, andso they, some of them, feel
less invasive or less disruptiveto your body.
Um, but in reality, um, all ofthose options are introducing
synthetic hormones into yourbody, often at a young age,
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because you're trying, I mean,for a painful period.
I just, I even think birthcontrol I mean, this is just
from what I have experienced, sothis is not true data that I'm
sharing but 50-50 in myexperience has been for painful
periods and preventing pregnancy.
Like, I almost see it more justto avoid getting a period or
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having painful periods or acneat a very young age, before
people are even concerned aboutpregnancy.
So, anyway, got on my littlerant.
So birth control, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Don't do it.
You know.
It's also like you said earlier.
It affects women mentally, evenon into the future.
So there is a correlationbetween the divorce rate, the
higher divorce rate and theintroduction and the higher use
of birth control pills.
(08:28):
And Dr Murphy talked about howwell, what happens and this is
these are symptoms of sepia.
What happens is the woman isespecially after birth, so after
she gives birth to her firstchild, and this is, these are
sepia things, this is not birthcontrol thing, but when you've
been on birth control, this iswhat usually happens, and then
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sepia is the great remedy.
After she gives birth, aftershe gives birth to her first
child, then she suddenly is liketo her husband, repulsed Don't
touch me, don't talk to me, youcan say nothing, right?
You can do nothing, right?
I don't like you, I don't likeyour look, I don't like the way
you smell, I don't like the wayyou're.
(09:11):
I mean all these little youknow what?
What would?
We would be called nitpicking ornagging things, right, because
now we're so mentally turned offby him and everything he does
where that wasn't the casebefore.
But listen, it's, it's not him.
Your hormones change and youknow, and it's also.
(09:32):
Don't want to.
Please don't hear me say it'sall your fault.
And you?
You know your hormones changedsomething, shifted, they were
artificially messed with withthe, with the birth control,
then you had a natural processof getting pregnant and that.
Then your hormones do all thesethings.
And then, after birth, yourhormones do all these things and
then regulate and it's and thenit's very disruptive.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And that's not even just sexually speaking, that is
even being around him.
So it may result in a reallylow libido or literal no libido
at all, um, or even um.
I've had clients and even myown experiences with like your
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body does not respond to arousalanymore, like, even if mentally
, but your, your body physically, is not responding, um, but
either way, not just sexuallybut just emotionally, very
repulsed and disgustedspecifically by the husband and
um the rage toward kids orhusband, and that one.
(10:44):
I don't know if you I feel likeyou had to have heard this from
people, if I've heard it somuch that there I can tell when
they're trying to share thisthat they're very ashamed, like
don't want to share that, andsay how angry they be.
They feel internally becausethere are not outside factors
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that should make them feel thatangry, right.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And so so these women come and well, first of all,
even backing up a little bitmore.
A lot of them, when I ask aboutbirth control, they say yes, um
, and they quickly feel likethey have to say why.
Because there is this, there'sthis element of shame that comes
with it and and, ladies, Idon't want you to, I just, you
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don't need to feel that, youjust don't.
We, we were doing what wethought was right back then.
We didn't know, you know theconsequences.
And here we are.
You're doing better, right,yeah, but then, yeah.
So then when we start talkingabout the relationship, well,
when somebody tells me how lowtheir libido is, low or no then
I want to know how's yourrelationship with your husband,
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right?
Sometimes they say it's great,he's great, I love him, he's
amazing.
Well, I guess, either way, it'sstill hormonal.
But if we, if we can take therelationship piece out, you know
you've got a good relationship,but there's still no libido.
There's just a different way tolook at it.
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Whereas if they're, if theirrelationship is really bad, then
that has the mental, emotionalpiece too, and it may be because
you're so turned off by him andeverything he does, and that
may just be hormonal.
It also might be that he's aterrible person.
I mean, you know, that couldhappen.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
So I think the obvious yeah, you can't use
homie, I can't take homie off tofix that yeah, right.
But it's very obvious when youhave and that was some of our
situation I have an amazinghusband, super helpful, really
respectful of me, evenpostpartum, and I remember
thinking I can't stand beingnear him and knowing that is
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irrational.
He's I mean just being there orhearing him.
It's just there was some smell.
It wasn't like his cologne, butthere was like after he'd work
out, which in a normal me smellsfantastic.
Yeah, yeah.
So, um, yeah, I've experiencedthat and I think I told you it
was really obvious, sepia, well,I didn't see.
(13:22):
You told me, even though I knewit in my mind, my kids would do
something and I would be angry.
I was just so I felt I shouldsay like very angry and also, at
the same time, knowing thatthere's nothing happened here.
They're not doing anythingextra bad or loud or crazy.
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So there are some reallyobvious indicators.
But, um, what other mentalemotionals come to mind for you?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So I'll you know, like I said, I?
Um CPO was my first remedy.
I?
Um sepia was my first remedy,um.
I was not married back thenwhen I you know, when she um
decided on sepia for me but Ihad all of the rage that you can
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imagine.
But even you know intimate well, as a teenager I had the rage.
So I mean even before you know,giving birth the first time, um
, but I?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I was put on birth control pills early on, early in
teenage years, or like yourperiods, or acne, or what was it
for Pregnancy?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Birth control.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
That's right Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Um, and so you know I mean, but listen, that was what
you did back then.
I mean you, you know, my momfinds out what I'm doing and
she's like, oh, let's go.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
That's so really common.
I mean, I just was talking to amom who knew her daughter's 16
and she's like I'm taking her tothe doctor soon getting her on
birth control just to preventanything.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
That's hard, that's so hard.
I just, I mean, I'm justthinking about me as a mom of a
daughter.
I mean, yeah, I, I don't know,I don't know what, how I would,
because I know all the terriblethings of birth control and then
I know the consequences of sexoutside of marriage and I'm just
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like that is the hardest ofmoms.
My heart goes out to you If youhave no judgment right now,
none at all, I cannot.
I mean, I mean I was, I was thatone, and so you know, there I
was and my mom's like Ooh, nope,no, we're not going to have any
babies in high school.
So we go and I get on birthcontrol and then I had all the
(15:47):
rage.
So you asked about mental,emotional, and it was Well, I
don't have to just tell about me, but CP in general has the, the
(16:10):
.
I can have the, the umirritation, like you said, with
the children, so that you feeldisconnected um to your family,
or you feel indifferent that'sthe word I'm looking for so that
indifference to your family,like I love them, but I just
really don't care, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, I felt that a lot too.
Now that you're saying that, Iremember telling a friend that I
don't enjoy it.
I felt so out, almost like I'mnot present mentally, right,
didn't have any joy, I wasn'tdepressed, I just felt zero
emotion about being around mykids, like I used to find joy in
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that and love this time.
Yeah, so also as the kids getolder, I remember I don't know
it was you in some class talkingabout sepia feeling like that
weighed down, that weightmentally, um, like it's from the
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from above, though, right, likeit weighs you down from above.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, Is that?
Yeah, I don't have that onememorized.
Is that the one of sepia?
So sepia has a pushing down.
So that can be like you said,with the mental, emotional, you
feel like you're like a cloudmaybe or you're being pushed
down.
But that can also be thebladder, the.
So CP has been beforeincontinence or um prolapse.
Yeah, so if you feel bearingdown weight down here, you know
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then not pulling down.
So there's another remedy thatfeels where you feel pulled down
but CP is pushed down, yeah,good.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, I love that how there's the link for both
physical and mental picture.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Um is it it's?
It does have postpartumdepression.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Oh yeah, man, I had postpartum depression so bad,
and you didn't have sepia thenno, and you didn't have sepia
then no, no, oh, it was terrible.
But I even got super depressedduring the pregnancy and I think
it was just during the firsttrimester, maybe I don't
remember, but then postpartumwas really bad.
(18:18):
Postpartum depression, yes andno, I didn't start sep't, start
CP until he was what, like three.
So yeah, I didn't no-transcript, I was on Lexapro.
I feel like I was on Lexaprobefore giving birth.
(18:39):
I don't remember, but you knowI did.
I did that little Lexapro stintfor a little.
No, I what that was.
Because I remember thehomeopath saying oh, don't stop
your Lexapro, you know we'regoing to wean off of this later.
And I was like I'm done withthat and I just stopped.
And I was like I'm done withthat and I just stopped taking
(19:00):
it.
You shouldn't do that.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
No, I don't.
I get people always.
Yeah, that's funny, but okay.
So Lexo reminds me, though itcan also be for anxiety.
Oh yeah, so that anxiety waspart of depression.
And yeah, sorry, I'm like peak.
(19:22):
I'm looking at my materi medicatoo to confirm as I'm thinking
of things.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
But cp is worse for consolation as opposed to
pulsatilla that likes that rightyeah I don't want your business
, I don't want you to do thatdon't touch me, don't look at me
, don't try to, don't try totell me that you, that you want
to make me feel better.
I need you just to get away.
Also, I'm going to go and be bymyself if I'm going to.
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Well, this was the sepia state.
Right, I'm not in that stateanymore.
I just I'm remembering, I'mreminiscing of the sepia days.
Um, I would, I would absolutelyhave to go by myself to cry,
like don't, because I didn'twant any consolation.
That and I'm trying to rememberum, that really made me feel
worse.
It made me feel small or stupid, like why can't I control my
(20:09):
own feelings?
You know why can't?
But that was so ridiculous Ifyou think about it, like what's
wrong with being mad or angry orcrying, you know?
But I felt like I had to beperfect, so I couldn't do those
things, so I had to go alone.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I didn't want your consolation and that pressure to
like you're doing so much foryour family, there's all this
stuff to get done, like makingyourself feel that way, but then
also that feels like a weightbecause there's never, you're
never getting it all done.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
That's exactly what I was going to go to next, so you
just bridged it.
The CPO woman she ruminates inand she thinks about how her
husband never helps, he doesn'tdo enough.
He gets to go to work all daywhile I'm stuck at home.
Cpo likes the career.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
They know this is interesting in that sepia state
because I always wanted to stayhome.
But I, as you're saying thesewords, I remember thinking that
exact thing, like Kyle going towork, and I'm like this is so
unfair.
He gets, gets to go.
Well, I'm sitting here, I wantto do what I'm doing, but I am
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mad about it that I'm sittinghere doing this and that is out
of character for me.
So could it be a woman likethat in her natural state but
angry now?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
or I was where.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
That's not my natural state, but I'm feeling that way
.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Absolutely.
Yeah, you know, another side tothat is just like the, all this
indifference with the children.
I never had that.
I wanted my kids around me withme, hugging, loving, kissing,
like what are we doing today?
What are we going to like?
Be close to me, I want to seeeverything you do.
I want to talk to you all thetime.
I never felt indifferenttowards my children it was only
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him.
And so the you know she, shealso feels like she never gets a
break.
She just she never gets a break.
She has to do everything.
All the responsibility falls onher shoulders and if somebody
does come and try to dosomething to help her, they
can't do it right, so she mightas well do it herself.
She's convinced that she hatesher husband and would be better
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off without him during PMS, butthen, after the cycle ends,
she's okay.
But listen, here's the otherpart of it that it says this in
the Materia Medica, and Iremember feeling this.
I remember in the moment PMSwas terrible for me, absolutely
terrible, and PMS shouldn't beso bad.
But birth control definitelymakes it worse.
So I remember being in the PMSstate and really being nasty,
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just ugly words and actions andin my mind thinking I do not
want to be this way, I don'twant to do this, I don't want to
say these things that I say whyam I?
And then, after it's over, likeI'm so sorry, I'm really sorry
that I acted that way and Ididn't want to and I couldn't
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stop it.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
It's like that cloud picture again, that your, your
perspective is clouded but youlike can't stop it, and then the
cloud kind of lifts afteryou're through that hormonal
phase.
Um, okay, so lots of mentals.
I also feel like, hormonallyspeaking, because it's such a
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big hormone remedy, this one Isee for headaches you're
probably getting to all of them,but hormonal headaches.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yep, In my 30s I started getting the monthly
migraine, that hormonal headache.
I didn't have them.
I never had a single headachebefore then and yeah, so that's
what sepia 200 weekly uprootedfirst for me.
I stopped getting thoseheadaches and man was that good.
So, yeah, those monthlymigraines or monthly, those
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hormonal headaches, sepia, Ialso would use sepia as needed.
So I would do a third, a 60 ora 30 during the headache while I
was doing my 200 once a week orwhatever you know.
However, I was doing that.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Okay, um, what else do you have?
I don't want to jump ahead onyour list.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
That's all right, I'm just I'm not even going in
order, I'm just looking at whatI see.
Um, sepia loves to dance, lovesmusic and loves to dance.
And so you know, would um,that's a question.
You know that we can, we canask people when we're trying to
help them and, um, and sometimeswomen just just um volunteer
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that information that they justlove to dance, that they've did
that they will feel better ifthey go outside and dance or go
in, whatever you know, justdance.
So think about exercise.
So if you're not a dancer typeperson, you don't like to dance.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
If you like to exercise, that's another one
that movement.
So sepia really feels betterfor exercise.
Yeah, and I thought of theother kind of to go along with
the hormonal headaches insomniaaround some cyclically, whether
that's a PMS week or during yourperiod, that can be a big one,
or what's it called menopauseyeah, absolutely your hot
(25:43):
flashes yep, oh yeah has so mucheverything you think of related
to hormones.
Yeah, yeah, has it somewhere andI think I had every single
symptom that there was, and evenum, skin stuff, right, like
skin, skin tags, the dark spotson your skin, all of those
things also linked now I mean weknow some of these things to
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hormones yep cd covers those umso.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Sepia also has a big liver remedy.
We can't forget that.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It can have constipation, yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
So that could be used acutely even in males.
This isn't just a female remedy.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I think we use it way more often in females but it
can definitely be used in males,often in females, but it can
definitely be used in males.
Um, and the male picture, themale, the male person who needs
sepia, is the mom and therelationship.
Um, and sometimes, um, thesecan be men who lost financial
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stability and are home with thechildren while the mom works, um
, or maybe it's always been thatway and then there was
something else about the man, soit's a more feminine remedy,
(27:14):
but it can be for the femininetype.
You know the feminine man, whoit, and especially if that's a
hormone imbalance, you know, ifhe's got really low testosterone
and maybe his voice is not, asyou know, deep or whatever.
And so we're not it's not likewe're we're taking giving sepia
to men just so they'll have adeep voice.
(27:35):
It has to do with the hormonebalance.
But, yeah, it can be used formen and I have used it for men
when it fits.
Um, I have another one.
Yeah, so the husband, okay, letme just say this Um, she
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expects her husband to see howhard she's working and what
needs to be done and just jumpin and do it, and she doesn't
understand why he won't justjump in and help, just do what
he can do, but he might not jumpin because he sees she's
(28:15):
absolutely capable, she getseverything done.
He might even feel like he's notneeded, and that's big, for men
, um, often need to be needed.
I mean, there are women thatneed to be needed too but but,
um, you know, if you're totallycapable, you can do everything
yourself.
And and you don't need.
(28:35):
It looks that way, right, hedoesn't know what you're
thinking.
Here's the thing with sepia isthat we want you to know what
we're thinking.
I don't want to have to tellyou, right, I want you just to
know.
Like, can't you see I'm runningaround here, I'm busy.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, well, communicate.
So a lot of the feelings ofsepia are common feelings for
any woman to experience at somepoint, I think, where the the
sepia picture where you needsome assistance is just like
anything else, where you'restuck there, where you're
feeling this but you're notcommunicating that, or you're
letting it become anger andresentment.
(29:12):
And, of course, sometimes theycan't read our minds, so you
have to say that out loud, youknow, but in sepia mode I'm like
I'm not telling him, I'm goingto.
He should just know I'm goingto be mad, I'm sick and tired of
this, but I don't want to doanything to help the situation.
I think that's like.
(29:32):
When I see that picture inmyself, I feel stuck in that
mentality.
What about, though, womenwho've never had a baby, never
been on birth control?
There can still be symptomsthat would point to sepia.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Absolutely.
So this can be used and I'mtrying to find my note that I
just saw about that this can beused in women who don't have
children, so it could be like ateacher or a childcare worker.
So this she might, and itdoesn't have to be, but she
might still have the thatcaregiver role even if she
(30:09):
doesn't have children or shemight not.
So this might be, um right, youmight not have any children,
you might not have a husband,but if you have a hormone
imbalance and or have ever beenon birth control and you have
these symptoms, you can stilluse it.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
So that could be weird periods, whether they're
super painful or really heavy.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Oh yeah, Irregular.
Yes, I will use sepia when awoman has menorrhagia, so
ongoing, and or heavy bleeding.
So you know, a 14 day or fourweek, six week period.
(30:55):
Sepia can very gently and umand easily, Um, what I want to
say like, yeah, I guess gentleis the is the right word, but
very gently, stop.
That.
It's not like an abrupt, youknow, hard stop, it can be, it
can be gentle.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Well, and I want to.
I do want to make sure Iclarify earlier, like I was okay
with that taking CPNA 200 andsaying it could work slower
using it, less or lower potency.
I don't think that that's beenthe case when using it, how you
were saying 60 once or twice aday.
You're still getting veryconsistent, more consistent
(31:38):
stimulation, lower potency.
I haven't.
I don't feel like it has beenslower, not that homeopathy is
fast, but I didn't.
I don't want it to sound likeoh, now it's going to take a
year when it's going to take ita month.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I think I made.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
It might've made it sound like that I actually I
haven't seen that I've beendoing, using sepia like that and
seeing it work very well, verywell and not aggravating.
So, this one.
I love it.
I love doing it and then I feellike more comfortable.
There's somewhere to go.
There's a 30 C to move to if wecan or need to, or a 200 if you
(32:22):
need that.
Yeah, but um really good point.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So don't, don't try, don't sit here and hear us and
say, ooh, I don't, I want to, Iwant to rush it, so I'm going to
use 200.
That's not how it works anyway.
Yeah, Good point.
Um, yeah, so 6C is what I wason, you know, 20 plus years ago.
That was my first remedy and sonow I'm not on anything
(32:48):
regularly.
So I don't take remedies.
You know, every single day Itake remedies as needed, and
when so I'm at the point ofmaybe once or twice per year I
get into a sepia kind of feelingstate, takes me, because it's
been so long it takes me alittle while to recognize it,
and then I'm like, oh, I need adose of sepia.
(33:09):
I'll take one dose of sepia 6Cand then I'm good because I
think it's.
I mean, if sepia is aconstitutional remedy, I mean
that's just like that is areally big remedy, for that has
served me well over 20 somethingyears and you know, going into
(33:30):
menopause, hot flashes, it wasthe remedy.
Yeah, and so now again, for menow it's just mental.
You know, if I get into a sepiamental state I can just take a
dose.
So you might do that.
You know you might need sepia6C once or twice every day for a
while, but then it might be aremedy that you revisit
(33:50):
throughout the rest of your life, if it's a good remedy and that
can be true for any remedy- Yep, so truly when we say sepiap is
huge.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I think we probably touched the tip of the iceberg.
Yeah, there are eight or morepages in the in robin murphy's
materia medica look at this um,no hand holding or snuggling.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Sorry to kind of go backwards, but I just saw this
Um can let's see goodintellectual communicators but
not good emotional communicators?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Well, yeah, that is kind of what we just said, huh.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Oh, and this one yeah , this says they get more
pleasure out of their children,and we'll hug them, you know,
than their husband.
One yeah, this says they getmore pleasure out of their
children and will hug them, youknow, than their husband.
So, yeah, Go ahead.
Painful periods which wealready touched on, but just
confirming that's definitely inthere and there is that
oversensitivity to noise toowith sepia.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, not the only one that's like that if you've
listened to other podcasts, butthat is a good one.
The weak bladder prolapse,incontinence are really big.
I have seen it work reallyreally well for that of women of
all ages.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yep, they're really independent.
They don't ask for help reallyindependent.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
They don't ask for help.
Tired, drag and sag.
Drag and sag what a way todescribe myself.
That sounds nice Desires,chocolate, sweets, wine, vinegar
acids and pickles, the onlything when I was.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
chocolate and sweets.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, I do love chocolate.
Better exercise.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Here's another good one.
She doesn't want any intimacy,right, holding hands, snuggling,
kissing, because she fears thatthen he'll want more.
So she feels like that's all heever wants from her.
You know she doesn't need it,they don't so but if she, yeah,
(36:07):
that's right.
So if she gets too close orjust snuggles, it can't just be
a snuggle, it has to be more.
And that, oh, here's what Iwanted to say earlier is
especially when we were talkingabout communication.
Say earlier is especially whenwe're talking about
communication.
So homeopathy can help yourmental state so that you can
communicate the best way thatyou know how.
(36:29):
But if you don't know how tocommunicate, you need help in
another way.
So you know, whether that be acounselor or a friend or some
kind of a class or whatever youknow.
Learn that be a counselor or afriend or a, some kind of a
class or a, whatever you know.
Learn, we have to learn how tocommunicate well, and that might
be a oh Bree.
You should be talking aboutthis.
You're good at this.
What is there a resource thatyou have to share with women who
(36:51):
aren't good communicators with,especially maybe with their
husband?
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I mean a specific resource.
Does you have one in mind, aspecific one?
or no, I just um number one, Ido think, counseling of some
sort, whether that be a clinicalcounselor, but our.
We have really great mentorswho have modeled it in front of
us and then, um, I don't like tosay forced, because we
(37:17):
willingly participate, but Imean we've had really awkward,
weird, uncomfortableconversations in front of these
mentors of ours, because we havebeen very committed to, for the
sake of our marriage, I want todo this, and the more you do it
(37:38):
, the less weird it is, the lessweird it is.
So I mean there were times wewould literally have like
sentences that we would practice, especially if he would
practice sharing three emotionsa day, it could be anything.
So it sounds really toddlerlike, but for somebody who was
not comfortable doing that, thatbecame easy for him.
It really is practice and beingvulnerable.
(37:59):
You just have to be willing tobe weird at first and then it
yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
You know, what I learned from somebody recently
is start, stop and continue, andI know you and Kyle do that.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
That's a good one.
You tell about that one.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, Just make a um, you know, make a little list
start, stop and continue and dothat with each other.
I think you said maybe you andKyle used to do that, maybe on
date night, once every a coupleof times a year or something, I
don't know.
But, um, where you have, youwrite down what you want your
husband to start, what you wanthim to stop and what you want
him to continue to do.
(38:33):
So you get, um, you know thatcontinue is encouragement, that
hey, you are doing these things,good and right, and I like for
you to do these things, I wantyou to keep going.
Start and stop was a little bithard for me, Just because you
know stop is like I didn't wantto.
I mean, you have to say thehard things.
You know I want you to stopwhatever it is, and then start,
(38:57):
basically, was just opposite ofstop.
So what do you have advice on?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, this is good, because look at us turning this
into a little marriagecounseling session.
Yeah, right, and really you canuse this for a lot.
I mean, I think you guys evendid it with your kids your older
kids.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, yeah, we did, I mean I love that.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I never had thought to do that with our kids.
I want to do that someday.
Mean, I love that I never hadthought to do that with our kids
, I want to do that someday.
But for maybe some help too, ifyou're just easing into it
sometimes start would be like Iwould like you to start taking a
night of the week to go dosomething for yourself.
Well, that's a really nicething to say to them.
(39:35):
You know, like I mean and ofcourse we were probably thinking
of 10 other things that we'dlike them to start in your mind
also, but depending on whereyou're at, maybe he gets
something out of that, that andwhatever.
One of the things um Kyle askedme once to stop doing was
commenting on my body in frontof our sons.
So it wasn't even like a flaw,but he and he nicely was like
(40:00):
this is something we talkedabout before we even had kids
that you didn't love, that yourmom did a lot, and I don't I
know you don't want to be sayingthat in front of our boys a lot
, so it just the way you word itlike him encouraging me to be
the kind of mom and woman I wantto be, not like I want this
from you or you're bothering mewhen you do this.
(40:22):
So good and then yeah, continueis more of the encouragement,
like a yeah, I found my littlelist, so this is um.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I did grace cash, paul, and so organized.
I love, I love doing stuff likethat.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
We also made a rule we could only do one at a time.
Did you do more than one?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah, sarah told us to do like, list it out, and we
didn't talk, you know.
But so, just like as a quickexample for Grace, I had start
using your creative flair more.
Yeah, yeah, right.
So that wasn't something for meto make me feel better, it was
something I wanted her to tostrengthen her.
Yeah, stop worrying about yourhealth.
(41:09):
Again, that's something to helpher be better, like in, to be
stronger, and not something forme to make me feel better.
It wasn't about me and, ofcourse, this is with my children
.
So that's a little we're we'renaturally encouraging to our
children, right?
So we're starting with thehusband, um, and then continue,
um, continue loving Jesus.
Let me see what I said for PaulUm, start.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Um start.
I know we're like um, oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Well, how about start spending quality time um with
me and the kids?
So, just, or more, maybe startspending more quality time with
us, so that we're all together.
Right Again, it wasn't justwhat.
What can you do to make me feelgood?
Speaker 1 (42:01):
You know some of these are truly, if you prefer,
quality time and he doesn't likeI mean, there are things.
Kyle has asked that for mebefore because he loves when I
sit with him while he mightwatch a show I don't care about,
I'm not going to want to dothat, but if he asks me I'm
happy.
Okay, sure, I can do thatsometimes.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
That's right.
That's right.
I love it so, like the fivelove languages.
So if yours is gifts and his istouch and you know, then we
might have to say that, like you, start giving me-.
Like the quality time mattersto you and the kids in a
different way, that's right soit's not always insulting, but
it's sometimes hard to hear yeah, that's right, um and um,
(42:46):
continue working hard for us, soanyway, yeah that was so much.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
I love those.
So we did do, though, the ruleon especially if we did like, on
a date night we could only sayone thing and for each category,
but we did it maybe once amonth, every few months.
We would think of it so morefrequently.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
And sometimes like for Grace's to not worry about
her health so much.
Sometimes those are things likeokay, I can practically help
you, and then also maybe sheneeds a remedy, right, like, how
are we going to help them?
Do that, or whatever.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Wow, just got some bonus.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
So fun, so fun.
I mean it's important you knowto grow yourself and um, you
know, and get the support andthe help that you need outside
of homeopathy.
Homeopathy is not the miracle,um may the miracle worker or the
way maker, jesus is.
(43:47):
So so anyway, that was funtalking about sepia and getting
into some, um practical tips,and I hope you all enjoyed this.
Look forward to seeing you nexttime.
Welcome back to homeopathy at home with Melissa.
Hey, Melissa.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hey Brie, I am really excited to talk about sepia
today.
It's such a big remedy.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
And it's so one that I feel like we commonly see in
practice with clients, but alsoin classes because, there are a
lot of women, so, naturally, andalso because of how many women
my generation, I don't knowabout yours too, but on birth
(00:34):
control, since we were likemiddle schoolers.
So we'll get into all that,yeah, but Materia Medica Monday,
we're going to do sepia.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, sepia is such a big remedy.
You know, if you go to yourMateria Medica and you open up
sepia, it's pages long and itreally is kind of overwhelming
how big sepia is.
So what I want to do with thisis just like we always do with
the Materia Medica Monday giveyou the keynotes, but also let's
(01:05):
talk a little bit about it,because it's such a big remedy
for women.
Um, that's used so often and,um, most women know sepia, right
, they're.
They're like oh yeah, you know,that was the first remedy I
ever tried, right, it was myfirst remedy, the first remedy I
ever tried.
Right, it was my first remedy.
(01:26):
The first remedy I was ever onwas sepia, and I do suggest
starting low and slow.
So if you heard my podcast fromthe summer of 2020, that's been
a long time ago I did used to dosepia Sunday.
I used to do sepia 200 once perweek.
I actually in that podcast saidonce or twice per week and
(01:51):
there's nothing wrong with that.
So if you're doing that now oryou've done that before, there's
no danger.
That's the beauty of homeopathythere's nothing dangerous,
there's nothing terrible.
You didn't mess anything up.
But the reason I stopped doingthat and now I'm doing.
Usually I'll start with 6C onceor maybe twice per day.
The reason I changed is becauseI started to see women
(02:15):
aggravating on 200C in differentways, and so we've got a whole
podcast on aggravations versusproving.
So if you don't know what I'mtalking about, please go listen
to that.
So I don't like to causeaggravations and of course it's
not me that's causing it butwhen I suggest a high potency
(02:37):
remedy and then you have anaggravation, I feel bad.
I don't want you to do that.
I don't want to be aggravated.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Can I piggyback on that?
Because, from like a differentperspective too, I did the 200.
I did aggravate some.
Let's say that I was using itonce per week or twice per week.
It was working great and itreally just became apparent that
it was time to back off.
And it really just becameapparent that it was time to
(03:08):
back off and I didn't in time.
Mine were mental symptoms.
But what I will say and this iswhy I personally am comfortable
with aggravations, because Ilike to call them accelerations
I stopped it and I was 100%better Like I had.
I didn't have to take it againor um, or didn't have any of
those recurring symptoms for along time where I think
(03:30):
sometimes um, to avoid anyaggravating, it is a little bit
slower, a little bit longer of aprocess, more comfortable, more
gentle.
So you know, most people preferthat.
I prefer that for clients.
Um, personally, I didn't lovewhen I experienced it, but it
was short, maybe a week or two,and then I was totally fine.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So you are like that you are like that, like with
with um Bella Donna.
You're like, yeah, just do it.
And you threw, you know, throwme into the high fever, get it
over with and you're done.
And so, you know, my husband'slike that with being nauseous or
vomiting.
He's like, oh, I'd rather justdo it, get it over with.
I'm like, nope, I'd rather, I'drather feel bad for three days.
(04:14):
Then.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
So I had this a friend of mine use Nux Vomica.
She was.
She was vomiting, used NuxVvomica and it almost like she
purged a bunch of timesfollowing that and then was fine
, but she was.
I mean, I think it wouldtraumatize her for real.
She was like I never want touse Exvomica again and I
(04:37):
literally am like great, got itout of me.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Moving on from there, and I'm the same, like when
you're, when we're talking aboutsepia and aggravating.
I also aggravated on sepia 200and um no, I would always rather
go slow and not have theaggravation.
It's so funny.
So it's personality.
And and and that's the beautyof homeopathy too is the
aggravations aren't dangerous.
(05:01):
You can stop it if you don'tlike it, and that's really what
I want to say.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
You don't have to.
It didn't?
I wasn't in a bad place, itdidn't cause me to.
I mean, it wasn't like I wasdepressed or in a really bad
mental state and I knew what washappening.
I knew, oh, I just need to takeless of this, and so I did.
But you could even haveantidote it if I wanted.
I just didn't right so.
(05:25):
But you don't have to be afraidof it.
I coming out the other side, itworks well, and so just don't
worry.
Even if you do aggravate, justadjust exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, that's right, so you have less of a chance of
aggravating on a 6c.
So if you're like me, then, um,then, then you know, start with
a 6C, and so let's talk aboutwhen what's.
I know, you know this and a lotof people know this, so let's
just get this right on out ofthe out of the way.
What's the number one reason,or the you know the the thing
(06:01):
that if you've ever done this inyour life, then you're probably
going to need sepia, syntheticbirth control.
Yes, yep.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah.
You don't think that almostanyone.
If you've ever done that andhave hormone or even mental
symptoms that maybe you don'tknow are hormonal.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Start with sepia.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Man, so Dr Murphy taught me about what birth
control does.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
It's awful.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
You know, that's probably what we should have.
What we should have been readyto talk about is birth control
and what it does and how awfulit is.
Did we talk about that?
And maybe the acne podcast atall?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I don't remember I feel like we have touched on
birth control all over, buthere's the thing too, with birth
control now there are so manytypes that the terminology
becomes different one that'sjust progesterone, one that's
both, one that's copper that theterminology chain has changed.
(07:02):
The options have grown, um, andso they, some of them, feel
less invasive or less disruptiveto your body.
Um, but in reality, um, all ofthose options are introducing
synthetic hormones into yourbody, often at a young age,
(07:28):
because you're trying, I mean,for a painful period.
I just, I even think birthcontrol I mean, this is just
from what I have experienced, sothis is not true data that I'm
sharing but 50-50 in myexperience has been for painful
periods and preventing pregnancy.
Like, I almost see it more justto avoid getting a period or
(07:53):
having painful periods or acneat a very young age, before
people are even concerned aboutpregnancy.
So, anyway, got on my littlerant.
So birth control, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Don't do it.
You know.
It's also like you said earlier.
It affects women mentally, evenon into the future.
So there is a correlationbetween the divorce rate, the
higher divorce rate and theintroduction and the higher use
of birth control pills.
(08:28):
And Dr Murphy talked about howwell, what happens and this is
these are symptoms of sepia.
What happens is the woman isespecially after birth, so after
she gives birth to her firstchild, and this is, these are
sepia things, this is not birthcontrol thing, but when you've
been on birth control, this iswhat usually happens, and then
(08:51):
sepia is the great remedy.
After she gives birth, aftershe gives birth to her first
child, then she suddenly is liketo her husband, repulsed Don't
touch me, don't talk to me, youcan say nothing, right?
You can do nothing, right?
I don't like you, I don't likeyour look, I don't like the way
you smell, I don't like the wayyou're.
(09:11):
I mean all these little youknow what?
What would?
We would be called nitpicking ornagging things, right, because
now we're so mentally turned offby him and everything he does
where that wasn't the casebefore.
But listen, it's, it's not him.
Your hormones change and youknow, and it's also.
(09:32):
Don't want to.
Please don't hear me say it'sall your fault.
And you?
You know your hormones changedsomething, shifted, they were
artificially messed with withthe, with the birth control,
then you had a natural processof getting pregnant and that.
Then your hormones do all thesethings.
And then, after birth, yourhormones do all these things and
then regulate and it's and thenit's very disruptive.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And that's not even just sexually speaking, that is
even being around him.
So it may result in a reallylow libido or literal no libido
at all, um, or even um.
I've had clients and even myown experiences with like your
(10:17):
body does not respond to arousalanymore, like, even if mentally
, but your, your body physically, is not responding, um, but
either way, not just sexuallybut just emotionally, very
repulsed and disgustedspecifically by the husband and
um the rage toward kids orhusband, and that one.
(10:44):
I don't know if you I feel likeyou had to have heard this from
people, if I've heard it somuch that there I can tell when
they're trying to share thisthat they're very ashamed, like
don't want to share that, andsay how angry they be.
They feel internally becausethere are not outside factors
(11:05):
that should make them feel thatangry, right.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And so so these women come and well, first of all,
even backing up a little bitmore.
A lot of them, when I ask aboutbirth control, they say yes, um
, and they quickly feel likethey have to say why.
Because there is this, there'sthis element of shame that comes
with it and and, ladies, Idon't want you to, I just, you
(11:29):
don't need to feel that, youjust don't.
We, we were doing what wethought was right back then.
We didn't know, you know theconsequences.
And here we are.
You're doing better, right,yeah, but then, yeah.
So then when we start talkingabout the relationship, well,
when somebody tells me how lowtheir libido is, low or no then
I want to know how's yourrelationship with your husband,
(11:52):
right?
Sometimes they say it's great,he's great, I love him, he's
amazing.
Well, I guess, either way, it'sstill hormonal.
But if we, if we can take therelationship piece out, you know
you've got a good relationship,but there's still no libido.
There's just a different way tolook at it.
(12:13):
Whereas if they're, if theirrelationship is really bad, then
that has the mental, emotionalpiece too, and it may be because
you're so turned off by him andeverything he does, and that
may just be hormonal.
It also might be that he's aterrible person.
I mean, you know, that couldhappen.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
So I think the obvious yeah, you can't use
homie, I can't take homie off tofix that yeah, right.
But it's very obvious when youhave and that was some of our
situation I have an amazinghusband, super helpful, really
respectful of me, evenpostpartum, and I remember
thinking I can't stand beingnear him and knowing that is
(13:02):
irrational.
He's I mean just being there orhearing him.
It's just there was some smell.
It wasn't like his cologne, butthere was like after he'd work
out, which in a normal me smellsfantastic.
Yeah, yeah.
So, um, yeah, I've experiencedthat and I think I told you it
was really obvious, sepia, well,I didn't see.
(13:22):
You told me, even though I knewit in my mind, my kids would do
something and I would be angry.
I was just so I felt I shouldsay like very angry and also, at
the same time, knowing thatthere's nothing happened here.
They're not doing anythingextra bad or loud or crazy.
(13:45):
So there are some reallyobvious indicators.
But, um, what other mentalemotionals come to mind for you?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So I'll you know, like I said, I?
Um CPO was my first remedy.
I?
Um sepia was my first remedy,um.
I was not married back thenwhen I you know, when she um
decided on sepia for me but Ihad all of the rage that you can
(14:17):
imagine.
But even you know intimate well, as a teenager I had the rage.
So I mean even before you know,giving birth the first time, um
, but I?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I was put on birth control pills early on, early in
teenage years, or like yourperiods, or acne, or what was it
for Pregnancy?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Birth control.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
That's right Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Um, and so you know I mean, but listen, that was what
you did back then.
I mean you, you know, my momfinds out what I'm doing and
she's like, oh, let's go.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
That's so really common.
I mean, I just was talking to amom who knew her daughter's 16
and she's like I'm taking her tothe doctor soon getting her on
birth control just to preventanything.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
That's hard, that's so hard.
I just, I mean, I'm justthinking about me as a mom of a
daughter.
I mean, yeah, I, I don't know,I don't know what, how I would,
because I know all the terriblethings of birth control and then
I know the consequences of sexoutside of marriage and I'm just
(15:26):
like that is the hardest ofmoms.
My heart goes out to you If youhave no judgment right now,
none at all, I cannot.
I mean, I mean I was, I was thatone, and so you know, there I
was and my mom's like Ooh, nope,no, we're not going to have any
babies in high school.
So we go and I get on birthcontrol and then I had all the
(15:47):
rage.
So you asked about mental,emotional, and it was Well, I
don't have to just tell about me, but CP in general has the, the
(16:10):
.
I can have the, the umirritation, like you said, with
the children, so that you feeldisconnected um to your family,
or you feel indifferent that'sthe word I'm looking for so that
indifference to your family,like I love them, but I just
really don't care, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, I felt that a lot too.
Now that you're saying that, Iremember telling a friend that I
don't enjoy it.
I felt so out, almost like I'mnot present mentally, right,
didn't have any joy, I wasn'tdepressed, I just felt zero
emotion about being around mykids, like I used to find joy in
(16:45):
that and love this time.
Yeah, so also as the kids getolder, I remember I don't know
it was you in some class talkingabout sepia feeling like that
weighed down, that weightmentally, um, like it's from the
(17:07):
from above, though, right, likeit weighs you down from above.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, Is that?
Yeah, I don't have that onememorized.
Is that the one of sepia?
So sepia has a pushing down.
So that can be like you said,with the mental, emotional, you
feel like you're like a cloudmaybe or you're being pushed
down.
But that can also be thebladder, the.
So CP has been beforeincontinence or um prolapse.
Yeah, so if you feel bearingdown weight down here, you know
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then not pulling down.
So there's another remedy thatfeels where you feel pulled down
but CP is pushed down, yeah,good.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, I love that how there's the link for both
physical and mental picture.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Um is it it's?
It does have postpartumdepression.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Oh yeah, man, I had postpartum depression so bad,
and you didn't have sepia thenno, and you didn't have sepia
then no, no, oh, it was terrible.
But I even got super depressedduring the pregnancy and I think
it was just during the firsttrimester, maybe I don't
remember, but then postpartumwas really bad.
(18:18):
Postpartum depression, yes andno, I didn't start sep't, start
CP until he was what, like three.
So yeah, I didn't no-transcript, I was on Lexapro.
I feel like I was on Lexaprobefore giving birth.
(18:39):
I don't remember, but you knowI did.
I did that little Lexapro stintfor a little.
No, I what that was.
Because I remember thehomeopath saying oh, don't stop
your Lexapro, you know we'regoing to wean off of this later.
And I was like I'm done withthat and I just stopped.
And I was like I'm done withthat and I just stopped taking
(19:00):
it.
You shouldn't do that.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
No, I don't.
I get people always.
Yeah, that's funny, but okay.
So Lexo reminds me, though itcan also be for anxiety.
Oh yeah, so that anxiety waspart of depression.
And yeah, sorry, I'm like peak.
(19:22):
I'm looking at my materi medicatoo to confirm as I'm thinking
of things.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
But cp is worse for consolation as opposed to
pulsatilla that likes that rightyeah I don't want your business
, I don't want you to do thatdon't touch me, don't look at me
, don't try to, don't try totell me that you, that you want
to make me feel better.
I need you just to get away.
Also, I'm going to go and be bymyself if I'm going to.
(19:45):
Well, this was the sepia state.
Right, I'm not in that stateanymore.
I just I'm remembering, I'mreminiscing of the sepia days.
Um, I would, I would absolutelyhave to go by myself to cry,
like don't, because I didn'twant any consolation.
That and I'm trying to rememberum, that really made me feel
worse.
It made me feel small or stupid, like why can't I control my
(20:09):
own feelings?
You know why can't?
But that was so ridiculous Ifyou think about it, like what's
wrong with being mad or angry orcrying, you know?
But I felt like I had to beperfect, so I couldn't do those
things, so I had to go alone.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I didn't want your consolation and that pressure to
like you're doing so much foryour family, there's all this
stuff to get done, like makingyourself feel that way, but then
also that feels like a weightbecause there's never, you're
never getting it all done.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
That's exactly what I was going to go to next, so you
just bridged it.
The CPO woman she ruminates inand she thinks about how her
husband never helps, he doesn'tdo enough.
He gets to go to work all daywhile I'm stuck at home.
Cpo likes the career.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
They know this is interesting in that sepia state
because I always wanted to stayhome.
But I, as you're saying thesewords, I remember thinking that
exact thing, like Kyle going towork, and I'm like this is so
unfair.
He gets, gets to go.
Well, I'm sitting here, I wantto do what I'm doing, but I am
(21:24):
mad about it that I'm sittinghere doing this and that is out
of character for me.
So could it be a woman likethat in her natural state but
angry now?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
or I was where.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
That's not my natural state, but I'm feeling that way
.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Absolutely.
Yeah, you know, another side tothat is just like the, all this
indifference with the children.
I never had that.
I wanted my kids around me withme, hugging, loving, kissing,
like what are we doing today?
What are we going to like?
Be close to me, I want to seeeverything you do.
I want to talk to you all thetime.
I never felt indifferenttowards my children it was only
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him.
And so the you know she, shealso feels like she never gets a
break.
She just she never gets a break.
She has to do everything.
All the responsibility falls onher shoulders and if somebody
does come and try to dosomething to help her, they
can't do it right, so she mightas well do it herself.
She's convinced that she hatesher husband and would be better
(22:25):
off without him during PMS, butthen, after the cycle ends,
she's okay.
But listen, here's the otherpart of it that it says this in
the Materia Medica, and Iremember feeling this.
I remember in the moment PMSwas terrible for me, absolutely
terrible, and PMS shouldn't beso bad.
But birth control definitelymakes it worse.
So I remember being in the PMSstate and really being nasty,
(22:56):
just ugly words and actions andin my mind thinking I do not
want to be this way, I don'twant to do this, I don't want to
say these things that I say whyam I?
And then, after it's over, likeI'm so sorry, I'm really sorry
that I acted that way and Ididn't want to and I couldn't
(23:16):
stop it.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
It's like that cloud picture again, that your, your
perspective is clouded but youlike can't stop it, and then the
cloud kind of lifts afteryou're through that hormonal
phase.
Um, okay, so lots of mentals.
I also feel like, hormonallyspeaking, because it's such a
(23:39):
big hormone remedy, this one Isee for headaches you're
probably getting to all of them,but hormonal headaches.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yep, In my 30s I started getting the monthly
migraine, that hormonal headache.
I didn't have them.
I never had a single headachebefore then and yeah, so that's
what sepia 200 weekly uprootedfirst for me.
I stopped getting thoseheadaches and man was that good.
So, yeah, those monthlymigraines or monthly, those
(24:11):
hormonal headaches, sepia, Ialso would use sepia as needed.
So I would do a third, a 60 ora 30 during the headache while I
was doing my 200 once a week orwhatever you know.
However, I was doing that.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Okay, um, what else do you have?
I don't want to jump ahead onyour list.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
That's all right, I'm just I'm not even going in
order, I'm just looking at whatI see.
Um, sepia loves to dance, lovesmusic and loves to dance.
And so you know, would um,that's a question.
You know that we can, we canask people when we're trying to
help them and, um, and sometimeswomen just just um volunteer
(24:56):
that information that they justlove to dance, that they've did
that they will feel better ifthey go outside and dance or go
in, whatever you know, justdance.
So think about exercise.
So if you're not a dancer typeperson, you don't like to dance.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
If you like to exercise, that's another one
that movement.
So sepia really feels betterfor exercise.
Yeah, and I thought of theother kind of to go along with
the hormonal headaches insomniaaround some cyclically, whether
that's a PMS week or during yourperiod, that can be a big one,
or what's it called menopauseyeah, absolutely your hot
(25:43):
flashes yep, oh yeah has so mucheverything you think of related
to hormones.
Yeah, yeah, has it somewhere andI think I had every single
symptom that there was, and evenum, skin stuff, right, like
skin, skin tags, the dark spotson your skin, all of those
things also linked now I mean weknow some of these things to
(26:06):
hormones yep cd covers those umso.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Sepia also has a big liver remedy.
We can't forget that.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It can have constipation, yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
So that could be used acutely even in males.
This isn't just a female remedy.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I think we use it way more often in females but it
can definitely be used in males,often in females, but it can
definitely be used in males.
Um, and the male picture, themale, the male person who needs
sepia, is the mom and therelationship.
Um, and sometimes, um, thesecan be men who lost financial
(26:54):
stability and are home with thechildren while the mom works, um
, or maybe it's always been thatway and then there was
something else about the man, soit's a more feminine remedy,
(27:14):
but it can be for the femininetype.
You know the feminine man, whoit, and especially if that's a
hormone imbalance, you know, ifhe's got really low testosterone
and maybe his voice is not, asyou know, deep or whatever.
And so we're not it's not likewe're we're taking giving sepia
to men just so they'll have adeep voice.
(27:35):
It has to do with the hormonebalance.
But, yeah, it can be used formen and I have used it for men
when it fits.
Um, I have another one.
Yeah, so the husband, okay, letme just say this Um, she
(27:55):
expects her husband to see howhard she's working and what
needs to be done and just jumpin and do it, and she doesn't
understand why he won't justjump in and help, just do what
he can do, but he might not jumpin because he sees she's
(28:15):
absolutely capable, she getseverything done.
He might even feel like he's notneeded, and that's big, for men
, um, often need to be needed.
I mean, there are women thatneed to be needed too but but,
um, you know, if you're totallycapable, you can do everything
yourself.
And and you don't need.
(28:35):
It looks that way, right, hedoesn't know what you're
thinking.
Here's the thing with sepia isthat we want you to know what
we're thinking.
I don't want to have to tellyou, right, I want you just to
know.
Like, can't you see I'm runningaround here, I'm busy.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, well, communicate.
So a lot of the feelings ofsepia are common feelings for
any woman to experience at somepoint, I think, where the the
sepia picture where you needsome assistance is just like
anything else, where you'restuck there, where you're
feeling this but you're notcommunicating that, or you're
letting it become anger andresentment.
(29:12):
And, of course, sometimes theycan't read our minds, so you
have to say that out loud, youknow, but in sepia mode I'm like
I'm not telling him, I'm goingto.
He should just know I'm goingto be mad, I'm sick and tired of
this, but I don't want to doanything to help the situation.
I think that's like.
(29:32):
When I see that picture inmyself, I feel stuck in that
mentality.
What about, though, womenwho've never had a baby, never
been on birth control?
There can still be symptomsthat would point to sepia.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Absolutely.
So this can be used and I'mtrying to find my note that I
just saw about that this can beused in women who don't have
children, so it could be like ateacher or a childcare worker.
So this she might, and itdoesn't have to be, but she
might still have the thatcaregiver role even if she
(30:09):
doesn't have children or shemight not.
So this might be, um right, youmight not have any children,
you might not have a husband,but if you have a hormone
imbalance and or have ever beenon birth control and you have
these symptoms, you can stilluse it.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
So that could be weird periods, whether they're
super painful or really heavy.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Oh yeah, Irregular.
Yes, I will use sepia when awoman has menorrhagia, so
ongoing, and or heavy bleeding.
So you know, a 14 day or fourweek, six week period.
(30:55):
Sepia can very gently and umand easily, Um, what I want to
say like, yeah, I guess gentleis the is the right word, but
very gently, stop.
That.
It's not like an abrupt, youknow, hard stop, it can be, it
can be gentle.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Well, and I want to.
I do want to make sure Iclarify earlier, like I was okay
with that taking CPNA 200 andsaying it could work slower
using it, less or lower potency.
I don't think that that's beenthe case when using it, how you
were saying 60 once or twice aday.
You're still getting veryconsistent, more consistent
(31:38):
stimulation, lower potency.
I haven't.
I don't feel like it has beenslower, not that homeopathy is
fast, but I didn't.
I don't want it to sound likeoh, now it's going to take a
year when it's going to take ita month.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I think I made.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
It might've made it sound like that I actually I
haven't seen that I've beendoing, using sepia like that and
seeing it work very well, verywell and not aggravating.
So, this one.
I love it.
I love doing it and then I feellike more comfortable.
There's somewhere to go.
There's a 30 C to move to if wecan or need to, or a 200 if you
(32:22):
need that.
Yeah, but um really good point.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So don't, don't try, don't sit here and hear us and
say, ooh, I don't, I want to, Iwant to rush it, so I'm going to
use 200.
That's not how it works anyway.
Yeah, Good point.
Um, yeah, so 6C is what I wason, you know, 20 plus years ago.
That was my first remedy and sonow I'm not on anything
(32:48):
regularly.
So I don't take remedies.
You know, every single day Itake remedies as needed, and
when so I'm at the point ofmaybe once or twice per year I
get into a sepia kind of feelingstate, takes me, because it's
been so long it takes me alittle while to recognize it,
and then I'm like, oh, I need adose of sepia.
(33:09):
I'll take one dose of sepia 6Cand then I'm good because I
think it's.
I mean, if sepia is aconstitutional remedy, I mean
that's just like that is areally big remedy, for that has
served me well over 20 somethingyears and you know, going into
(33:30):
menopause, hot flashes, it wasthe remedy.
Yeah, and so now again, for menow it's just mental.
You know, if I get into a sepiamental state I can just take a
dose.
So you might do that.
You know you might need sepia6C once or twice every day for a
while, but then it might be aremedy that you revisit
(33:50):
throughout the rest of your life, if it's a good remedy and that
can be true for any remedy- Yep, so truly when we say sepiap is
huge.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I think we probably touched the tip of the iceberg.
Yeah, there are eight or morepages in the in robin murphy's
materia medica look at this um,no hand holding or snuggling.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Sorry to kind of go backwards, but I just saw this
Um can let's see goodintellectual communicators but
not good emotional communicators?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Well, yeah, that is kind of what we just said, huh.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Oh, and this one yeah , this says they get more
pleasure out of their children,and we'll hug them, you know,
than their husband.
One yeah, this says they getmore pleasure out of their
children and will hug them, youknow, than their husband.
So, yeah, Go ahead.
Painful periods which wealready touched on, but just
confirming that's definitely inthere and there is that
oversensitivity to noise toowith sepia.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, not the only one that's like that if you've
listened to other podcasts, butthat is a good one.
The weak bladder prolapse,incontinence are really big.
I have seen it work reallyreally well for that of women of
all ages.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yep, they're really independent.
They don't ask for help reallyindependent.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
They don't ask for help.
Tired, drag and sag.
Drag and sag what a way todescribe myself.
That sounds nice Desires,chocolate, sweets, wine, vinegar
acids and pickles, the onlything when I was.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
chocolate and sweets.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, I do love chocolate.
Better exercise.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Here's another good one.
She doesn't want any intimacy,right, holding hands, snuggling,
kissing, because she fears thatthen he'll want more.
So she feels like that's all heever wants from her.
You know she doesn't need it,they don't so but if she, yeah,
(36:07):
that's right.
So if she gets too close orjust snuggles, it can't just be
a snuggle, it has to be more.
And that, oh, here's what Iwanted to say earlier is
especially when we were talkingabout communication.
Say earlier is especially whenwe're talking about
communication.
So homeopathy can help yourmental state so that you can
communicate the best way thatyou know how.
(36:29):
But if you don't know how tocommunicate, you need help in
another way.
So you know, whether that be acounselor or a friend or some
kind of a class or whatever youknow.
Learn that be a counselor or afriend or a, some kind of a
class or a, whatever you know.
Learn, we have to learn how tocommunicate well, and that might
be a oh Bree.
You should be talking aboutthis.
You're good at this.
What is there a resource thatyou have to share with women who
(36:51):
aren't good communicators with,especially maybe with their
husband?
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I mean a specific resource.
Does you have one in mind, aspecific one?
or no, I just um number one, Ido think, counseling of some
sort, whether that be a clinicalcounselor, but our.
We have really great mentorswho have modeled it in front of
us and then, um, I don't like tosay forced, because we
(37:17):
willingly participate, but Imean we've had really awkward,
weird, uncomfortableconversations in front of these
mentors of ours, because we havebeen very committed to, for the
sake of our marriage, I want todo this, and the more you do it
(37:38):
, the less weird it is, the lessweird it is.
So I mean there were times wewould literally have like
sentences that we would practice, especially if he would
practice sharing three emotionsa day, it could be anything.
So it sounds really toddlerlike, but for somebody who was
not comfortable doing that, thatbecame easy for him.
It really is practice and beingvulnerable.
(37:59):
You just have to be willing tobe weird at first and then it
yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
You know, what I learned from somebody recently
is start, stop and continue, andI know you and Kyle do that.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
That's a good one.
You tell about that one.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, Just make a um, you know, make a little list
start, stop and continue and dothat with each other.
I think you said maybe you andKyle used to do that, maybe on
date night, once every a coupleof times a year or something, I
don't know.
But, um, where you have, youwrite down what you want your
husband to start, what you wanthim to stop and what you want
him to continue to do.
(38:33):
So you get, um, you know thatcontinue is encouragement, that
hey, you are doing these things,good and right, and I like for
you to do these things, I wantyou to keep going.
Start and stop was a little bithard for me, Just because you
know stop is like I didn't wantto.
I mean, you have to say thehard things.
You know I want you to stopwhatever it is, and then start,
(38:57):
basically, was just opposite ofstop.
So what do you have advice on?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, this is good, because look at us turning this
into a little marriagecounseling session.
Yeah, right, and really you canuse this for a lot.
I mean, I think you guys evendid it with your kids your older
kids.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, yeah, we did, I mean I love that.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I never had thought to do that with our kids.
I want to do that someday.
Mean, I love that I never hadthought to do that with our kids
, I want to do that someday.
But for maybe some help too, ifyou're just easing into it
sometimes start would be like Iwould like you to start taking a
night of the week to go dosomething for yourself.
Well, that's a really nicething to say to them.
(39:35):
You know, like I mean and ofcourse we were probably thinking
of 10 other things that we'dlike them to start in your mind
also, but depending on whereyou're at, maybe he gets
something out of that, that andwhatever.
One of the things um Kyle askedme once to stop doing was
commenting on my body in frontof our sons.
So it wasn't even like a flaw,but he and he nicely was like
(40:00):
this is something we talkedabout before we even had kids
that you didn't love, that yourmom did a lot, and I don't I
know you don't want to be sayingthat in front of our boys a lot
, so it just the way you word itlike him encouraging me to be
the kind of mom and woman I wantto be, not like I want this
from you or you're bothering mewhen you do this.
(40:22):
So good and then yeah, continueis more of the encouragement,
like a yeah, I found my littlelist, so this is um.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I did grace cash, paul, and so organized.
I love, I love doing stuff likethat.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
We also made a rule we could only do one at a time.
Did you do more than one?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah, sarah told us to do like, list it out, and we
didn't talk, you know.
But so, just like as a quickexample for Grace, I had start
using your creative flair more.
Yeah, yeah, right.
So that wasn't something for meto make me feel better, it was
something I wanted her to tostrengthen her.
Yeah, stop worrying about yourhealth.
(41:09):
Again, that's something to helpher be better, like in, to be
stronger, and not something forme to make me feel better.
It wasn't about me and, ofcourse, this is with my children
.
So that's a little we're we'renaturally encouraging to our
children, right?
So we're starting with thehusband, um, and then continue,
um, continue loving Jesus.
Let me see what I said for PaulUm, start.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Um start.
I know we're like um, oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Well, how about start spending quality time um with
me and the kids?
So, just, or more, maybe startspending more quality time with
us, so that we're all together.
Right Again, it wasn't justwhat.
What can you do to make me feelgood?
Speaker 1 (42:01):
You know some of these are truly, if you prefer,
quality time and he doesn't likeI mean, there are things.
Kyle has asked that for mebefore because he loves when I
sit with him while he mightwatch a show I don't care about,
I'm not going to want to dothat, but if he asks me I'm
happy.
Okay, sure, I can do thatsometimes.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
That's right.
That's right.
I love it so, like the fivelove languages.
So if yours is gifts and his istouch and you know, then we
might have to say that, like you, start giving me-.
Like the quality time mattersto you and the kids in a
different way, that's right soit's not always insulting, but
it's sometimes hard to hear yeah, that's right, um and um,
(42:46):
continue working hard for us, soanyway, yeah that was so much.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
I love those.
So we did do, though, the ruleon especially if we did like, on
a date night we could only sayone thing and for each category,
but we did it maybe once amonth, every few months.
We would think of it so morefrequently.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
And sometimes like for Grace's to not worry about
her health so much.
Sometimes those are things likeokay, I can practically help
you, and then also maybe sheneeds a remedy, right, like, how
are we going to help them?
Do that, or whatever.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Wow, just got some bonus.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
So fun, so fun.
I mean it's important you knowto grow yourself and um, you
know, and get the support andthe help that you need outside
of homeopathy.
Homeopathy is not the miracle,um may the miracle worker or the
way maker, jesus is.
(43:47):
So so anyway, that was funtalking about sepia and getting
into some, um practical tips,and I hope you all enjoyed this.
Look forward to seeing you nexttime.
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