October 31, 2025 • 34 mins
We sit down with psychic medium Patti Negri to explore Dollcraft, her new hands-on guide to inviting the right spirit, banishing the wrong one, and caring for doll vessels without wrecking your life. When a low-vibration hitchhiker shows up, she shares how to banish, reset, and re-establish boundaries—illustrated by the transformation of Patti's doll “Belle,” whose dark attachment gave way to a kind child spirit after a little dollcraft. The conversation moves beyond dolls into cleansing practices, and Patti issues a warning about over-using sage.
We also seem to have finally found a perfect person to ask about spectrophilia, and with an open mind and great sense of humor, Patti talks about the pros and cons of having sex with ghosts. Our conversation offers cheeky (yet practical) tips and bold ideas about physical intimacy with a deceased loved one.
In forecasting the rest of 2025, Patti invokes the dragon—an ancient, cross-cultural protector that “lives at the crossroads.” She explains how to create, feed, and task a dragon fetish to focus your will, protect your space, and attract opportunities.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Not all haunted dolls are the same.
Some harbor a dark entity, whileothers can become a valued
member of your family.
Knowing how to tell thedifference and nurture the right
relationship is important.
If only there were a guidebookfor such a thing.
Well, our guest today haswritten just that book.
(00:22):
Psychic Medium and realitytelevision star Patty Negri will
share her methods for lettingthe right one in, while also
providing much-needed guidanceon how to survive this maelstrom
of a year.
Snuggle down with your favoritecup of tea and prepare to learn
about the other side.
Today, on Homespun Haints.
(00:44):
Hello, Hainted Loves.
Welcome to Homespun Haints.
I'm Becky.
Hi, I'm Diana.
Today in the show, we arethrilled to bring on a woman who
needs no introduction.
Patty Nagri, probably theworld's most famous psychic
medium right now.
Sorry, I'm just gonna gush onyou a little bit.
She uh is a regular on GhostAdventures.
(01:06):
You have probably seen herthere.
You've also probably checked outher podcast, The Witching Hour.
And she has a podcast, TheWitch's Movie Coven, with
Heather Green, which we recentlyspoke with Heather.
And as you know, when we spoketo Heather, we talked to her
about haunted dolls.
And Patty is definitely anexpert in that arena as well.
(01:29):
In fact, she has a new book,Dollcraft, released in June of
2025.
So, Patty, thank you so much forjoining us today.
Welcome to the show.
Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_01 (01:38):
I'm thrilled to be here between you guys.
This is awesome.
Thank you.
So tell us a little bit aboutdollcraft.
SPEAKER_00 (01:44):
Let's start there.
SPEAKER_01 (01:45):
Yeah.
Yes, I have been, well, a dollcollector my entire life.
I if you if I turn the cameraaround, I have hundreds of
Barbies staring at me all overmy house.
None of them haunted, though.
I've never had a haunted Barbie.
I've had haunted dolls.
They're behind me.
My haunted ones, I have to keepback away, so they take the
whole focus away.
Like children and animals, theytake the whole focus.
(02:08):
Um, but I've always been a dollperson, and I've always been a
haunted person.
I've been talking to the deadsince I could talk, since I was
literally before kindergarten.
Regular conversations withspirits.
My first seance was at sevenyears old.
So that's been a part of mylife.
And then with the everythingthat's come up in the last few
years about haunted dolls, theyhave never been more popular.
(02:30):
It's like I I'm always amazed atthe amount of like middle-aged
and older people men, show meyour doll collection.
It's like I would, my dad wouldhave never said that.
Um but there is being an expertin the metaphysics and the
occult and spirituality andmagic, there is a little bit of
care and feeding to them.
(02:51):
You know, you run up go on Etsyand you see like eight million
supposed haunted dolls for sale,and some are, most aren't.
And and again, if you do get areal one, you there really is,
it's you're bringing a spiritinto your life.
I I thought people needed tohave, you know, kind of a care
and feeding book of what to do,how to get one, how to create
one, how to not get rocked offby one.
(03:14):
And then also on the other sideof the book, besides being
haunted dolls, it's aboutmagical puppets, which is
bringing my witch world into it,since I'm the paranormal world
in the witch world, because theyare very misunderstood.
Most people don't even know whata puppet is, or if they see one,
it's a little doll, looks like alittle gingerbread doll.
They think it's a voodoo doll,which it actually isn't.
(03:35):
So I thought I would just crashmy two worlds together in one
book.
And how to make puppets, buypuppets, spells for puppets,
health and love and money andthis and that.
You know, the difference betweenthe puppet and haunted doll, how
bringing in a spirit, and andeven if you can't find a good
haunted doll, you know how tocreate your own.
Because there's disembodiedspirits all over the place that
(03:57):
would love a nice little doll togo into.
SPEAKER_00 (04:00):
Would you be willing to give us maybe a very quick
rundown of how you create ahaunted doll?
SPEAKER_01 (04:07):
Um, yeah, yeah, I could do a quick reader's digest
version, whatever that is.
Know your cosmology, know howyou work with spirit.
If you don't work on the otherside of the veil, you know, go
slow and easy into it becauseyou really are opening a
doorway.
But it's setting up your sacredarea, kind of working, getting a
vessel that you would like tocall it into.
(04:29):
Um, work within your ownreligion or belief system.
I work, I'm an elemental witch,I work with the elements.
If you're Christian, work withJesus, work with whatever that
works within your belief system,and start inviting in spirits.
You get into yourself ameditative space, light a
candle, some incense.
Be very specific of what youwant to call in.
(04:51):
Intent.
You don't, it's it's just likewhat people do with Ouija
boards, is calling in spirits.
Now, but you're giving them avessel.
You don't want anybody outthere.
It's like, anybody really?
Do you want to open your frontdoor of your home to anybody?
The serial killer next door?
No.
The pervert in the back, no.
High vibration spirits, thespirits with good intent,
(05:12):
spirits, however you want toword it, be very careful.
Um, again, often again,depending on your relationship
with being able to see or senseor feel the other side of the
veil when something comes in,you getting to choose what is
actually going to come in.
Um, some people can get it likethat.
Oh wow, this beautiful littlespirit of this little
(05:32):
13-year-old came in.
Some people it takes a while,but it's a nice practice anyway.
It is uh working with your innerself, working with spirit to
step into something.
So it's even if it takes you along time to get a spirit into
your doll, or even if it forwhatever reason doesn't come, it
probably will, but it it's anice practice anyway.
SPEAKER_00 (05:54):
So as a mother of human children and fur children,
um, I know that sometimes whenwe adopt, which having a haunted
doll is all sounds almost likeadopting, um sometimes you get
the critter home and you'relike, I think I made a mistake.
Uh what do you do then?
SPEAKER_01 (06:15):
Yes, you can do that.
Again, I I have this is a veryhow-to book, How to Banish a
Spirit.
Well, like I'm gonna give you astory of my doll, Belle, my
little here, my peeker rightover there, the one in red right
there, Belle.
I've had her for years now, butI had done a seance with Peggy
the doll, very known, givespeople heart attacks.
(06:36):
She's now in Zach's museum atthe time.
He hadn't even owned her.
But she had seen me do a seancewith Zach, with Peggy the doll,
um, where we cut the cords forthis girl who had been given a
heart attack, and and she's likewatching it.
She goes, she figured if I couldhandle Peggy, who was darker
than Belle, I could handleBelle.
So she contacted me and asked meif she could send me Belle.
(06:58):
I'm like, sure, because I couldknew how to handle it.
Um, she sent me the doll.
The doll was so strong.
I had never done a live before,like a Facebook live when I
could actually get on Facebook.
Um, and I'm like, well, I'mgonna open this on stage.
50,000 people watch.
I don't have that manyfollowers, I don't get that many
views.
It was the doll, draw it in, butthey opened up this beautiful
(07:20):
doll with a very dark spirit.
But I this doll had made her andher daughter sick for three
years, made their hair fall out.
I don't have enough hair, so Ibanished the dark spirit.
I'm like, I I don't.
I was like, I would not let thesunset on that first day before
banishing the dark spirit, andthen it came out, but I knew
there was something underneath,I knew there was a positive
(07:42):
spirit, but it took a while forit to come out.
I had to keep the herb roux inher hand, can otherwise she
would drain you even before thespirit came out.
Again, that's in the care andfeeding.
But then this beautiful littlegirl spare out who became a
member of our family.
But if you get something that'snaked, or you call in, or you go
to the local eBay or better yet,thrift store or secondhand or
(08:05):
antique store to find a haunteddoll, and you find that ooh,
there's something not goodthere, you can again you could
have boundaries and you need toanyway, just like how you train
your children, how you trainyour dogs and well cats, and how
you train and how they have tohave boundaries and guidelines.
And if something isn't going to,if it really is a low vibration
(08:27):
versus good or bad spirit, howto banish it from that vessel.
You can call in another one orjust banish it altogether.
Or if you want to sell it, sellit, but let be buyer beware, let
them know that this is a darkspirit I don't want.
There is some silly people outthere who do want dark spirits,
but but uh to me, they're againworking with dark all the time.
(08:49):
TV doesn't want you to go to thehappy ghost where they're
swinging on the chandeliers,they want you to go channel the
serial killer.
But again, unless you reallyknow what you're doing, they
will drain your energy, theywill make you sick, they will
make your hair fall out.
So I will work with thoseoutside of my house.
I don't want one as a familymember, but there are people who
do.
You know, they put them in casesor they just let them affect
(09:12):
them.
So lots of things to do, butdefinitely do something because
you don't don't just you knowthrow it in the garage for the
spirit's sake, for your sake.
Yeah.
Properly, you know, banish thespirit or give it to somebody
else.
Do you get requests a lot tore-home your dolls?
Not a lot.
I've got one baby doll rightbehind me, somewhere back there,
(09:33):
baby doll.
Um, she was I was doing a houseclearing, a local house
clearing, and the woman that wasnegatively or haunted that she
didn't like.
It wasn't even negative, butjust she didn't want it in her
house.
So she gave it to me and Ibrought her home.
But I had it with the clearing,I had cleared the spirit out of
the doll anyway.
(09:54):
Oh, yeah.
So it's just a baby doll.
It doesn't have a spirit.
Um, but she didn't want it, justfor whatever attached to it.
So be careful.
And when you guys we all need tokeep our house clear and clean,
but you don't want to blanket,you know, energetically clorox
the whole house if you have yourspirits, your ancestors, so like
don't oversage, use Palo Santo,stuff like that.
SPEAKER_02 (10:16):
It's like antibiotics.
You can wipe out the good onesand the bad ones at the same
time.
SPEAKER_00 (10:20):
You don't want to use that, you know.
Well, yeah, because every housedoes have a spirit, you know,
and a soul, and we want to makesure nothing else.
It does.
Yeah, you don't want to get ridof that.
Because then, you know, natureabores a vacuum, something else
is gonna come in in its place.
unknown (10:33):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (10:33):
Every time I I say that so often.
It's like dusting the house andleaving the windows in a dust
storm.
Windows open, the doors open.
Wait, you've so cleansed it thatyou call in something different,
something the same back thing,or something worse.
SPEAKER_02 (10:47):
We we've had so many guests with differing opinions
about how appropriate it is tohave a uh spirit in your house
at all.
Uh, a lot of people have told usthings like any spirit in a
house with the living will makethe living sick no matter what,
or things like that.
What what what do you think whenyou hear things like that?
SPEAKER_01 (11:06):
That has not been my experience ever, ever, or
anybody I've worked with.
But again, your truth is yourtruth.
Your truth is the truth.
If you believe having a spiritin your house is bad, for you it
is bad because our perception iseverything.
That's going into basicpsychology.
If you change your perceptionand going, okay, grandma's
(11:27):
spirit's hanging out, it's notso bad, it's good, you know, or
whatever the fun.
I have in my besides uh mydolls, two only two are haunted,
Belle and my new one Salem, whohasn't taken on a bunch of a
presence yet.
Um, but I have a spirit my housecame with.
Um she does not into dolls, shehasn't got it, she doesn't need
(11:47):
it, she's everywhere.
Her name, she's a French artist.
She my house is 1920, but thiswoman moved into the house in
the 1960s.
She died in 1998, but she didn'tdie in the house.
I moved in in 2001, but she washere.
She came with the house.
She let me and my husband know.
Um, the neighbors all know sheshe used to sing LeVia and Rose.
(12:09):
Roses, she was shooting out ofmy bridal bouquet when we got
married.
Everybody's like, oh, that'sAdrian.
She plays, my husband's adrummer, and we have these
display antique drums way highthat you can't reach them.
She plays the drums all thetime.
Like, you hear Adrian, boom,kind of like knocking or table
topping on a drum.
She's French.
I brought a French crew here.
(12:30):
We were filming a French TVshow.
She fell in love, she became agiddy schoolgirl.
She's a fabulous spirit and veryprotective of us.
SPEAKER_00 (12:40):
Oh, she lucked out haunting the house that you
moved into.
She did because she lovesattention and she gets attention
all the time.
I wanted to touch on somethingyou said, which is sort of one
of the mantras that we have onthis show, is that everybody's
truth is their truth.
I absolutely love that you saidthat.
How does that come into playwhen you deal with people who
(13:03):
are maybe doing something that'skind of dangerous?
Like how how where where is theline there where you might be
like, you know what, maybe maybedon't do that.
SPEAKER_01 (13:12):
Maybe Well, I mean, uh I'm happy to give them my
opinion and give them maybe someguidelines that, okay, if you're
gonna do it anyway, becauseyou're not gonna listen to me
because I don't know what I'mtalking about.
If this sort of starts tohappen.
If your sleep starts beinginterrupted, if you're getting
crankier more often than not, ifyou're this or you're that, you
(13:34):
know, or if you if we're doingparanormal stuff and I and you
uh you're on an investigation,and yes, the pros I work with,
the YouTubers and Zach and theguys and ghostfinders and my
paraflex guys are great, but youknow, I not not every some
people are new and don't knowwhat they're doing.
I'm real careful of what andagain there is consequence.
(13:55):
The I you guys probably know thestory, you know.
One kid, my one rule is berespectful, whatever you're
doing, you don't jump in thedeep until you can swim.
Let's start out with my skills.
Um, but this one kid gettingdisrespectful.
Did first cool things werehappening.
French doors were flying open,speakers were coming on that
were plugged in.
But he said something so rudeand so stupid that not him, but
(14:18):
the cameraman facing him burstinto flames.
Oh two it two cameras caught itbecause and one camera started
feeling the ceiling or thefloor.
This poor guy, the cameraman, hewas not standing in front of a
fireplace, he was not standingin front of a candle, like a V,
angel wings of fire up his back.
(14:40):
Um, it wasn't demonic, it wasjust a cranky, cranky ghost,
because cranky in life, crankyin death.
And me, cool witch medium pattybecomes medic Patty, which I am.
I'm certified, I drop and roll,I'm calling in my my protectors,
my guardians.
I set it up to shut it down.
It was insane.
He burst into flames.
(15:01):
I'm looking at the blistering onhis back.
How it turns into a happy thing,though, is that three weeks
later, this guy, he he was afilmmaker in his own.
He was so intrigued atspontaneous combusting himself.
He's like, look at my back.
And where I'd seen theblistering, it literally,
ladies, it literally looked likehe had gone and got a tattoo of
a dragon.
(15:21):
Whoa! Sharp teeth, winged headsinto the shape of the serpent.
And that is the exact energy Icalled in to shut down the
seance.
I work Dragon Meds.
Oh, it's on his back.
I'm like, oh my gosh, you have atramp stamp of a dragon on your
back.
That is the coolest thing I haveever seen in my life.
(15:42):
He thought so too.
He actually wrote a horror filmabout this TV medium, did every
TV show about me.
I think Margot Robbie shouldplay me.
Just saying, if anybody does,but about this TV medium who
opens a portal, does yet anotherreality show, and then it
becomes one of those funny,scary movies.
He wrote it, I'm so honored,with Stephen Norrington, the guy
(16:02):
who wrote The League ofExtraordinary Gentlemen and the
Blade series, and they wrotethis movie about me.
They haven't done it yet.
But I sat down with him, I mustsay, because this media thing we
are all on, I sat down with himfor five hours going, Lauren,
you can't say that in a movie,in a script.
You can't say that on thescreen.
He's like, but you said that.
I went, I know I said that.
(16:23):
That does something, that opensa veil.
You don't want to be one ofthose cursed horror films, do
you?
It happens all the time.
Look at all the poltergeists,exercise.
A spirit and energy, good orbad, doesn't know the difference
of an actor, method actorreciting lines and somebody
really opening up a portal tohell.
So let's change those words thatthey're not going to be powerful
(16:44):
to they'll sound as spooky or asmystical or as magical, but they
won't.
You don't want all the actors todie at 27.
SPEAKER_02 (16:53):
I'm constantly yelling at horror movies for
getting things wrong.
So maybe I should stop that.
Maybe they're supposed to get itwrong so that it well yeah,
there's a fine line.
SPEAKER_01 (17:03):
I don't like because we the witch's movie, Kevin,
that we were talking about thatI do with Heather.
Well, we love it when they getit wrong.
We crack up and the good ones,the bad ones.
We curse each other, we hex eachother.
Um, it's very funny.
But you know, when they get itwrong, it's funny.
But I don't I I get more worriedwhen they say something that's
really right, that's eithersomething that shouldn't be said
(17:24):
from the witchcraft world that'smore an initiate thing that's
supposed to be more private, orwhen they they just do the
ritual completely ass backwardsor something.
SPEAKER_02 (17:34):
When we first started this podcast six years
ago or so, uh, we did manyamateur seances before mediums
started telling us not to dothat until we were properly
trained.
How do we know when we'retrained enough?
Do we show any signs to you ofhaving done something wrong that
went wrong?
I mean, how would we know?
SPEAKER_01 (17:56):
No, I guess, besides the demons standing behind both
of your no, you are fine, andyou would know.
That's the thing people do Ihave a possession, do I have a
detachment?
You would know, you do know.
Yeah, you don't, you're fine,and again, intent is everything.
Yes, I had the cartilage rippedoff my ribs, uh, black dahlia
killer because I had not set upmy protectors in time to and the
(18:16):
thing happened by the way atMarilyn Manson's house, the fire
thing.
So it's not it's not a regularoccurrence that of wild.
unknown (18:23):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (18:24):
So yeah, you do have to be be careful, but again,
your intent, if you're nottrying, you're gonna be fine.
And you guys are both fine.
SPEAKER_02 (18:32):
It it sounds like with all your experience you're
prepared to handle pretty muchanything, but is there any kind
of paranormal subject or ormystery that you decided not to
investigate further and not tolearn more about for any reason?
No, you're I think all knowledgeis good knowledge.
SPEAKER_01 (18:48):
I love yeah, I love to learn.
That's why I even started my myschool, my uh University
Magicus.
I have like 20 teachers, alldifferent paths and and belief
systems and faiths.
I because the more you know, ifyou if you come upon a djinn,
you would need to know how whata djinn is versus versus a
gnome, versus a this versusthat.
I mean, they're just differentnames many much for the same
(19:09):
things.
But if you understandphilosophy, religion, occult
sciences, the more educated youare, the more you can handle
everything.
I travel the world.
So, and to know the beliefsystem of the people I'm working
with so I could talk withinthem.
If I've got a table full ofCatholics, I'm gonna have all my
same information and knowledge,but I'll speak different than if
(19:30):
I've got a table full ofwitches.
Right.
That's smart.
Same information, but I don'twant to scare you the word
Lucifer.
SPEAKER_00 (19:37):
Well, I I had to bring it up.
Let's talk about spectrophiliabecause for those of you that
don't know, spectrophilia, andI'm just gonna say it's a sex
with ghosts.
You could probably explain itbetter than me and Patty.
SPEAKER_01 (19:52):
Yes, it is sex with human, non-human interactions.
It has been around forabsolutely ever.
Every culture has it, everyreligion and belief system has
it.
Otherworldly beings coming downand having interco uh relations
with humans.
It's it's the Christ story, it'severything, a god and this and
(20:13):
that.
It it is, it's every and everyculture has that.
The the otherworldly being, thedeity, the whatever coming down.
And it's almost always vilified,of course, because sex is almost
always vilified.
That's a good point.
Again, our Western prudishghosts are bad enough.
All of us weird, ghosty peopleare weird enough.
(20:34):
Now add sex to it.
We can't talk about this.
It's so off.
But it's happening and it'shappened forever.
So when it I first had clientscoming to me, I hadn't known
about it, I wasn't an expert insuch things young, but it's
like, how do we deal with this?
Because just like human humansex, it's good or not good, it's
(20:55):
consensual or non-consensual.
You don't want the not goodkind, you don't want the
non-consensual kind.
My first client was thenon-consensual, so I started
working with and studying,intensely studying it, so how
she could get rid of what shedidn't want, just like you would
with attachment or anythingelse.
But then people started comingwith my very best friend.
(21:16):
Um, her husband died young of acancer, and then luckily she had
heard me talking about it on aTV show or something like that,
and she's like, he came to me,my husband came to me, and that
he did all the same, whatevertheir foreplay was, this
spooning thing.
And she would have been, had shenot heard that this was a thing,
an okay thing, she would havebeen scared to death, thought it
(21:38):
wasn't real, thought she wascrazy, which most people do, and
not enjoyed it, and not have thebeautiful closure that she had.
So there's people sitting athome in their apartments in
their houses going, oh my god,I'm doing this, I'm having this
thing, good or bad, and a lot ofit is really good, and afraid to
talk to anybody about it,thinking they are crazy or they
(21:58):
are wrong or they are insane orthat's something evil, and it's
none of the above.
So the more we can talk aboutit, um, the better, because I I
hear from people after somethingcomes out.
I did a film years ago calledGhostly Lovers for Discovery
Channel.
It got buried so fast.
They played it one side thing.
(22:19):
I think you could find itsomewhere now, and it was the
positive size of ghosts, Iguess.
I was one of the experts, butplayed it once for Valentine's
Day, and it's like, ah, this istoo scary for discovery.
SPEAKER_00 (22:30):
It always boggles my mind how unready the world is
for things.
Because, like you said, we're inthis world, we just think it's
normal.
SPEAKER_01 (22:35):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
If if you believe in ghosts, ifyou don't believe in ghosts, you
don't believe in ghosts.
But if you believe in ghosts, ifyou believe in spirits and the
other side, nothing dies, asscience says, why all of a
sudden with would sex orintimacy be off the table?
If grandma could hold your handby the side of the bed after
she's passed and let you knowit's okay, I like the guy.
Why all of a sudden, again, sex,which is such an integral part,
(22:58):
be off the table all of asudden?
That doesn't even make sense.
If grandma could show you how tomake lasagna, your husband who
passed away young could saygoodbye.
SPEAKER_00 (23:08):
Yeah?
Just going back in time, likethis has always been a part of
um, I think like ever everyancient religion story has some
idea of um, you know, at leastdeity human sex, and um often
that's where we get demigods,right?
So how is ghost with a spiritdifferent from ghost with a
(23:29):
deity or a ghost with an alien,even?
Or sorry, I said sex with thedeity, sex with an alien.
SPEAKER_02 (23:34):
I need to sorry.
Getting sex and ghosts confusedagain.
SPEAKER_01 (23:39):
It's so confusing, it's hard, you know.
They're both well, I thinkenergetically, I I think you're
gonna feel the difference justlike again, it's the energy of
we all, whether you think you'rein medium or a psychic, you're
intuitive, we all are.
It's in us.
You know, when somebody walksinto a space and you feel this
(24:00):
like, oh my gosh, person, youknow, I don't know how many
deities walk into a room, but ifthey do, we would feel it, we
would know it, or versussomebody really low vibration
and icky.
So you could tell that that'swhy I say when I teach people
how to experience this and howto do it, be picky.
Get for the you want a good highvibration, you know, roll in the
(24:20):
hay with the guns.
SPEAKER_00 (24:23):
Right?
Just like with your livingpartners.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (24:27):
Be picky both sides.
And with a deity, it's gonna bea spiritual experience.
You know, well, sometimes with anon-deity, it's a spirit
spiritual experience as well.
SPEAKER_00 (24:36):
But you know, it's vibration.
Got it, got it.
Again, these ancient storiesthey talk about how there's
often a child that results fromsuch a union.
Is that even possible?
SPEAKER_01 (24:49):
Well, anything can happen.
I don't think that can happen inour this world.
The veil is not quite thinenough yet, because we are on
different planets, so to speak.
Intimacy, sex, that's all energyis one thing.
Birthing a baby that's half aghost.
I don't know.
I'm friends with this woman,Brocard.
She's a UK woman, she's amusician, and she's famous for
(25:12):
marrying a ghost who they thinklooked like Johnny Deff is a
pirate.
I'm not sure.
I love her.
I she's great, and she was shedivorced the ghost, she married
a ghost, she divorced a ghost.
It wasn't a good marriage.
Yes, no, very geographicallyundesirable.
They cannot take you out tolunch, they cannot beat your
parents.
I did another good like a goodmorning, America, but the UK
(25:32):
version of it several years ago,and a woman who wanted to have a
baby with a ghost.
It didn't happen.
It's it's like, you know, dogsand cats don't mate together at
this point, you know, a giraffedoesn't mate with a lion.
You know, it could happen onweird, rare occasions, but I
haven't seen it.
SPEAKER_02 (25:48):
And that you know that the veil is 99.9%
effective, Becky.
SPEAKER_00 (25:51):
So okay.
All right.
SPEAKER_02 (25:53):
We're gonna have to wait till it's a little bit
thinner.
SPEAKER_00 (25:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (25:57):
What do we need to know for 2025?
Like, do you get any messagesthat the world at large should
hear?
SPEAKER_01 (26:05):
We are going through obviously a time of chaos.
In a time, sadly, that we're cutliving it from fear.
Every there's fear, fear-basedstuff, control-based stuff.
Now more than ever, we have tostep into our own power.
Whatever your belief system,don't just do something because
somebody tells you to dosomething.
(26:26):
Don't believe something becausesomebody tells you to believe
something.
They're trying to control you,they're trying to numb you out,
they're trying to make us intophoned in, asleep at the wheel,
by road, automatic pilot, do todo, do do, do, do, do, do.
No, no, quite the opposite.
No.
How do I feel about that?
You develop your intuition, yoursense of integrity, virtue,
(26:48):
ethics, moral code, whatever youwant to do it.
And now is the time, again,whatever your belief system,
take your power back.
And I think anybody you need toget a dragon in your life.
We need dragons.
Whatever how that works for youwithin your belief system, or
they have little plastic dragonsyou literally put a fetish or
spirit into, which I do.
(27:08):
Dragons are how they'redifferent than say our
protective angels.
Angels are great.
Angels, they live in theheavens, their highest
vibrations.
Angels are dextral, which meanseverything they do is holy.
They could do two things,enlighten and protect, two good
things, enlighten and protect.
But they don't have a sinstralside.
Sinstrate is shift.
(27:29):
The word sin comes from central,but it doesn't mean in the
Christian version of the sin.
It means shift.
But so angels are up here, letthem protect you and enlighten
you.
Dragons, which have been aroundforever, every culture, Asian
culture, most certainly, Chineseculture, medieval culture, um,
they often again get a bad rapis dark, evil, but anything
(27:51):
that's powerful, they, whoeverthey is, say is evil, because
anything that's powerful, almosteverything that they say is
evil, is just powerful.
Like, you know, the number 13,walking under a ladder, a black
cat.
They're not breaking a mirror.
That's not evil, that'spowerful.
You could use it for good or forevil.
But dragons, they're not just inthe heavens, they can fly
(28:13):
between heaven and earth, whichmeans they live at the
crossroads.
And anybody who does magic andspellcraft, the crossroads is
where magic happens.
That's where you, oh, I'm takingit to crossroads.
Because think about it.
If you're on a one-way road, yougo this way, you turn around and
you go this way.
You get here or there.
All of a sudden you get to anintersection or you get to a
crossroads, you have all theseoptions.
(28:34):
Dragons live at the crossroads.
So get yourself a little uh afetish, a living spirit out of
an inner feet at every okay,dragon, today I have a headache.
Give me energy, take that away.
I'm getting kind of broke.
I need a money opportunity.
You send them out, they live toserve you, they're like little
worker bees.
Game changer.
Game changer.
So figure out how dragon.
(28:55):
I mean, I have videos on how todo it.
It's in my book, my first book,Old World Magic.
Um, anybody I know, I theeverything from breaking sports
teams' curses with the LADodgers to getting people out of
of public massacres.
Dragons.
unknown (29:11):
Dragons.
SPEAKER_02 (29:12):
I do have a little plastic dragon dangling in a
little metal cage over my diningroom table right now.
SPEAKER_01 (29:18):
Breathe life into it.
Feed it every talk it to it,feed it.
They don't eat, but they drinkand they drink a lot.
Put a little lid off a waterbottle underneath it.
It'll drink more every day.
Tell it what you want.
If it's hanging, I don't knowhow you water it, but water it
and they will drink faster.
You will be amazed.
Whiskey, water, bread bowl, itwill let you know what it wants.
(29:40):
Breathe life into it.
Give it a name, give it a job.
I like personal assistant.
You are my personal assistant.
Give me a long, happy lifefilled with travel, adventure,
love, health, happiness.
Breathe life into it.
As in every great creationstory, breathe life because
that's your pneuma, your lifeforce, the moisture in your
breath, your free will.
And then sit it so.
Okay, you are Puff the MagicDragon, you can whatever you
(30:02):
are.
And then every day it works withpsychology, the mind, body,
spirit of this is what I needtoday, what I want.
You're telling it what to do.
Body, you're literally have thisbody you've created in the
spirit, you've created a realentity.
It's called the Egregora,Servatora, Tolpa.
Everybody system has thesecreated spirits.
Game changer.
When did you start working withdragons?
(30:24):
I don't know.
It's just been a part of me forquite some time.
I've always been very elemental.
These are beautiful elementalcreatures.
It's just been a part of me fora very long time.
You can get fancier ones thanthis, but I love these little
ones.
I'm actually going to startselling beautiful little metal
ones, but now you can get 3Dones.
You can get um have beautifulcrystal ones, but it's funny the
(30:46):
little inexpensive plastic one.
I can't tell you, and I guess Ican't tell you, not as how many
movie stars, A-listers, AcademyAward winners feed their dragon
every day.
SPEAKER_00 (30:58):
I believe it.
I believe it.
That is amazing.
Nice little piece of advice.
We have not had anybody on yetwho's talked about dragons.
We need dragons right now.
2025.
You mentioned movies, and youhave a podcast about movies.
Do you have a favorite witchymovie that just really checks
(31:21):
all the boxes for you?
Practical magic.
SPEAKER_01 (31:24):
Ah yeah.
My movie's Wizard of Oz, becausethat's Wizard of Oz.
That's my favorite witchy movie.
I have the big pink dress.
Somebody's borrowing it rightnow for a Wizard of Oz show, but
I have the Glinda dress.
Wizard of Oz, practical magic.
I love Witches of East Wing.
And modern day witches doneright.
(31:44):
Um, but again, just like withthe podcast um witches movie,
Kevin, we love the really badones too.
And there's some really badones.
SPEAKER_02 (31:53):
My favorite bad one recently was Cursed Friends.
SPEAKER_01 (31:56):
Oh, I haven't seen that cursed friends.
SPEAKER_02 (31:57):
Oh, oh, it's it's very hilarious.
But I I usually do uh the comedyside of horror movies.
SPEAKER_01 (32:02):
But yeah, no, we do the comedy side too.
We'll do any side of it.
That's awesome.
Well I'll have to I'll have tosuggest it to Heather and the
team.
It's weird.
SPEAKER_00 (32:11):
This has been a lot of fun, and our audience has
been asking to talk to you.
So I'm really glad that we wereable to get on here, especially
with your new book, Dollcraft,which is so exciting.
I have a copy of that formyself, even though I don't plan
to have a haunted doll anytimesoon.
I know it's going to be a very,very valuable read because you
never know.
Well, you never know what mightbe.
SPEAKER_02 (32:31):
People mail them to us all the time.
SPEAKER_00 (32:33):
Do mail them to us.
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.
So know how to take care of it.
This has been excellent.
We've been listening to PattyNegri, who has been on so many
programs.
She has Paraflix, that is yourown station.
And then you also have TheWitching Hour, which is your
podcast.
The Witch's Movie Coven with uhHeather Green, which we have
(32:54):
spoken to very recently.
You can also check out herwebsite at pattynegri.com where
you can find out all of thesethings.
And be sure you follow her onsocial media.
She's very easy to find, and shehas some amazing clips that she
shares from interviews just likethis.
And you're gonna really enjoywatching all of her material.
(33:15):
So thank you so much, Patty.
This has been a real joy.
SPEAKER_01 (33:19):
Thank you both.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_02 (33:20):
Diana and Hainted Loves, what do you think?
Now, if somebody sends you ahaunted doll in the mail, I
think you'll know exactly whatto do to avoid having a spooky
day.
SPEAKER_00 (33:32):
Homespun Haints is hosted by Becky Kalimnik and
Diana Doty, and produced byHomespun Haints Media LLC.
Editing and music by BeckyKilimnik.
Show notes by Diana Doty.
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Not all haunted dolls are the same.
Some harbor a dark entity, whileothers can become a valued
member of your family.
Knowing how to tell thedifference and nurture the right
relationship is important.
If only there were a guidebookfor such a thing.
Well, our guest today haswritten just that book.
(00:22):
Psychic Medium and realitytelevision star Patty Negri will
share her methods for lettingthe right one in, while also
providing much-needed guidanceon how to survive this maelstrom
of a year.
Snuggle down with your favoritecup of tea and prepare to learn
about the other side.
Today, on Homespun Haints.
(00:44):
Hello, Hainted Loves.
Welcome to Homespun Haints.
I'm Becky.
Hi, I'm Diana.
Today in the show, we arethrilled to bring on a woman who
needs no introduction.
Patty Nagri, probably theworld's most famous psychic
medium right now.
Sorry, I'm just gonna gush onyou a little bit.
She uh is a regular on GhostAdventures.
(01:06):
You have probably seen herthere.
You've also probably checked outher podcast, The Witching Hour.
And she has a podcast, TheWitch's Movie Coven, with
Heather Green, which we recentlyspoke with Heather.
And as you know, when we spoketo Heather, we talked to her
about haunted dolls.
And Patty is definitely anexpert in that arena as well.
(01:29):
In fact, she has a new book,Dollcraft, released in June of
2025.
So, Patty, thank you so much forjoining us today.
Welcome to the show.
Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_01 (01:38):
I'm thrilled to be here between you guys.
This is awesome.
Thank you.
So tell us a little bit aboutdollcraft.
SPEAKER_00 (01:44):
Let's start there.
SPEAKER_01 (01:45):
Yeah.
Yes, I have been, well, a dollcollector my entire life.
I if you if I turn the cameraaround, I have hundreds of
Barbies staring at me all overmy house.
None of them haunted, though.
I've never had a haunted Barbie.
I've had haunted dolls.
They're behind me.
My haunted ones, I have to keepback away, so they take the
whole focus away.
Like children and animals, theytake the whole focus.
(02:08):
Um, but I've always been a dollperson, and I've always been a
haunted person.
I've been talking to the deadsince I could talk, since I was
literally before kindergarten.
Regular conversations withspirits.
My first seance was at sevenyears old.
So that's been a part of mylife.
And then with the everythingthat's come up in the last few
years about haunted dolls, theyhave never been more popular.
(02:30):
It's like I I'm always amazed atthe amount of like middle-aged
and older people men, show meyour doll collection.
It's like I would, my dad wouldhave never said that.
Um but there is being an expertin the metaphysics and the
occult and spirituality andmagic, there is a little bit of
care and feeding to them.
(02:51):
You know, you run up go on Etsyand you see like eight million
supposed haunted dolls for sale,and some are, most aren't.
And and again, if you do get areal one, you there really is,
it's you're bringing a spiritinto your life.
I I thought people needed tohave, you know, kind of a care
and feeding book of what to do,how to get one, how to create
one, how to not get rocked offby one.
(03:14):
And then also on the other sideof the book, besides being
haunted dolls, it's aboutmagical puppets, which is
bringing my witch world into it,since I'm the paranormal world
in the witch world, because theyare very misunderstood.
Most people don't even know whata puppet is, or if they see one,
it's a little doll, looks like alittle gingerbread doll.
They think it's a voodoo doll,which it actually isn't.
(03:35):
So I thought I would just crashmy two worlds together in one
book.
And how to make puppets, buypuppets, spells for puppets,
health and love and money andthis and that.
You know, the difference betweenthe puppet and haunted doll, how
bringing in a spirit, and andeven if you can't find a good
haunted doll, you know how tocreate your own.
Because there's disembodiedspirits all over the place that
(03:57):
would love a nice little doll togo into.
SPEAKER_00 (04:00):
Would you be willing to give us maybe a very quick
rundown of how you create ahaunted doll?
SPEAKER_01 (04:07):
Um, yeah, yeah, I could do a quick reader's digest
version, whatever that is.
Know your cosmology, know howyou work with spirit.
If you don't work on the otherside of the veil, you know, go
slow and easy into it becauseyou really are opening a
doorway.
But it's setting up your sacredarea, kind of working, getting a
vessel that you would like tocall it into.
(04:29):
Um, work within your ownreligion or belief system.
I work, I'm an elemental witch,I work with the elements.
If you're Christian, work withJesus, work with whatever that
works within your belief system,and start inviting in spirits.
You get into yourself ameditative space, light a
candle, some incense.
Be very specific of what youwant to call in.
(04:51):
Intent.
You don't, it's it's just likewhat people do with Ouija
boards, is calling in spirits.
Now, but you're giving them avessel.
You don't want anybody outthere.
It's like, anybody really?
Do you want to open your frontdoor of your home to anybody?
The serial killer next door?
No.
The pervert in the back, no.
High vibration spirits, thespirits with good intent,
(05:12):
spirits, however you want toword it, be very careful.
Um, again, often again,depending on your relationship
with being able to see or senseor feel the other side of the
veil when something comes in,you getting to choose what is
actually going to come in.
Um, some people can get it likethat.
Oh wow, this beautiful littlespirit of this little
(05:32):
13-year-old came in.
Some people it takes a while,but it's a nice practice anyway.
It is uh working with your innerself, working with spirit to
step into something.
So it's even if it takes you along time to get a spirit into
your doll, or even if it forwhatever reason doesn't come, it
probably will, but it it's anice practice anyway.
SPEAKER_00 (05:54):
So as a mother of human children and fur children,
um, I know that sometimes whenwe adopt, which having a haunted
doll is all sounds almost likeadopting, um sometimes you get
the critter home and you'relike, I think I made a mistake.
Uh what do you do then?
SPEAKER_01 (06:15):
Yes, you can do that.
Again, I I have this is a veryhow-to book, How to Banish a
Spirit.
Well, like I'm gonna give you astory of my doll, Belle, my
little here, my peeker rightover there, the one in red right
there, Belle.
I've had her for years now, butI had done a seance with Peggy
the doll, very known, givespeople heart attacks.
(06:36):
She's now in Zach's museum atthe time.
He hadn't even owned her.
But she had seen me do a seancewith Zach, with Peggy the doll,
um, where we cut the cords forthis girl who had been given a
heart attack, and and she's likewatching it.
She goes, she figured if I couldhandle Peggy, who was darker
than Belle, I could handleBelle.
So she contacted me and asked meif she could send me Belle.
(06:58):
I'm like, sure, because I couldknew how to handle it.
Um, she sent me the doll.
The doll was so strong.
I had never done a live before,like a Facebook live when I
could actually get on Facebook.
Um, and I'm like, well, I'mgonna open this on stage.
50,000 people watch.
I don't have that manyfollowers, I don't get that many
views.
It was the doll, draw it in, butthey opened up this beautiful
(07:20):
doll with a very dark spirit.
But I this doll had made her andher daughter sick for three
years, made their hair fall out.
I don't have enough hair, so Ibanished the dark spirit.
I'm like, I I don't.
I was like, I would not let thesunset on that first day before
banishing the dark spirit, andthen it came out, but I knew
there was something underneath,I knew there was a positive
(07:42):
spirit, but it took a while forit to come out.
I had to keep the herb roux inher hand, can otherwise she
would drain you even before thespirit came out.
Again, that's in the care andfeeding.
But then this beautiful littlegirl spare out who became a
member of our family.
But if you get something that'snaked, or you call in, or you go
to the local eBay or better yet,thrift store or secondhand or
(08:05):
antique store to find a haunteddoll, and you find that ooh,
there's something not goodthere, you can again you could
have boundaries and you need toanyway, just like how you train
your children, how you trainyour dogs and well cats, and how
you train and how they have tohave boundaries and guidelines.
And if something isn't going to,if it really is a low vibration
(08:27):
versus good or bad spirit, howto banish it from that vessel.
You can call in another one orjust banish it altogether.
Or if you want to sell it, sellit, but let be buyer beware, let
them know that this is a darkspirit I don't want.
There is some silly people outthere who do want dark spirits,
but but uh to me, they're againworking with dark all the time.
(08:49):
TV doesn't want you to go to thehappy ghost where they're
swinging on the chandeliers,they want you to go channel the
serial killer.
But again, unless you reallyknow what you're doing, they
will drain your energy, theywill make you sick, they will
make your hair fall out.
So I will work with thoseoutside of my house.
I don't want one as a familymember, but there are people who
do.
You know, they put them in casesor they just let them affect
(09:12):
them.
So lots of things to do, butdefinitely do something because
you don't don't just you knowthrow it in the garage for the
spirit's sake, for your sake.
Yeah.
Properly, you know, banish thespirit or give it to somebody
else.
Do you get requests a lot tore-home your dolls?
Not a lot.
I've got one baby doll rightbehind me, somewhere back there,
(09:33):
baby doll.
Um, she was I was doing a houseclearing, a local house
clearing, and the woman that wasnegatively or haunted that she
didn't like.
It wasn't even negative, butjust she didn't want it in her
house.
So she gave it to me and Ibrought her home.
But I had it with the clearing,I had cleared the spirit out of
the doll anyway.
(09:54):
Oh, yeah.
So it's just a baby doll.
It doesn't have a spirit.
Um, but she didn't want it, justfor whatever attached to it.
So be careful.
And when you guys we all need tokeep our house clear and clean,
but you don't want to blanket,you know, energetically clorox
the whole house if you have yourspirits, your ancestors, so like
don't oversage, use Palo Santo,stuff like that.
SPEAKER_02 (10:16):
It's like antibiotics.
You can wipe out the good onesand the bad ones at the same
time.
SPEAKER_00 (10:20):
You don't want to use that, you know.
Well, yeah, because every housedoes have a spirit, you know,
and a soul, and we want to makesure nothing else.
It does.
Yeah, you don't want to get ridof that.
Because then, you know, natureabores a vacuum, something else
is gonna come in in its place.
unknown (10:33):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (10:33):
Every time I I say that so often.
It's like dusting the house andleaving the windows in a dust
storm.
Windows open, the doors open.
Wait, you've so cleansed it thatyou call in something different,
something the same back thing,or something worse.
SPEAKER_02 (10:47):
We we've had so many guests with differing opinions
about how appropriate it is tohave a uh spirit in your house
at all.
Uh, a lot of people have told usthings like any spirit in a
house with the living will makethe living sick no matter what,
or things like that.
What what what do you think whenyou hear things like that?
SPEAKER_01 (11:06):
That has not been my experience ever, ever, or
anybody I've worked with.
But again, your truth is yourtruth.
Your truth is the truth.
If you believe having a spiritin your house is bad, for you it
is bad because our perception iseverything.
That's going into basicpsychology.
If you change your perceptionand going, okay, grandma's
(11:27):
spirit's hanging out, it's notso bad, it's good, you know, or
whatever the fun.
I have in my besides uh mydolls, two only two are haunted,
Belle and my new one Salem, whohasn't taken on a bunch of a
presence yet.
Um, but I have a spirit my housecame with.
Um she does not into dolls, shehasn't got it, she doesn't need
(11:47):
it, she's everywhere.
Her name, she's a French artist.
She my house is 1920, but thiswoman moved into the house in
the 1960s.
She died in 1998, but she didn'tdie in the house.
I moved in in 2001, but she washere.
She came with the house.
She let me and my husband know.
Um, the neighbors all know sheshe used to sing LeVia and Rose.
(12:09):
Roses, she was shooting out ofmy bridal bouquet when we got
married.
Everybody's like, oh, that'sAdrian.
She plays, my husband's adrummer, and we have these
display antique drums way highthat you can't reach them.
She plays the drums all thetime.
Like, you hear Adrian, boom,kind of like knocking or table
topping on a drum.
She's French.
I brought a French crew here.
(12:30):
We were filming a French TVshow.
She fell in love, she became agiddy schoolgirl.
She's a fabulous spirit and veryprotective of us.
SPEAKER_00 (12:40):
Oh, she lucked out haunting the house that you
moved into.
She did because she lovesattention and she gets attention
all the time.
I wanted to touch on somethingyou said, which is sort of one
of the mantras that we have onthis show, is that everybody's
truth is their truth.
I absolutely love that you saidthat.
How does that come into playwhen you deal with people who
(13:03):
are maybe doing something that'skind of dangerous?
Like how how where where is theline there where you might be
like, you know what, maybe maybedon't do that.
SPEAKER_01 (13:12):
Maybe Well, I mean, uh I'm happy to give them my
opinion and give them maybe someguidelines that, okay, if you're
gonna do it anyway, becauseyou're not gonna listen to me
because I don't know what I'mtalking about.
If this sort of starts tohappen.
If your sleep starts beinginterrupted, if you're getting
crankier more often than not, ifyou're this or you're that, you
(13:34):
know, or if you if we're doingparanormal stuff and I and you
uh you're on an investigation,and yes, the pros I work with,
the YouTubers and Zach and theguys and ghostfinders and my
paraflex guys are great, but youknow, I not not every some
people are new and don't knowwhat they're doing.
I'm real careful of what andagain there is consequence.
(13:55):
The I you guys probably know thestory, you know.
One kid, my one rule is berespectful, whatever you're
doing, you don't jump in thedeep until you can swim.
Let's start out with my skills.
Um, but this one kid gettingdisrespectful.
Did first cool things werehappening.
French doors were flying open,speakers were coming on that
were plugged in.
But he said something so rudeand so stupid that not him, but
(14:18):
the cameraman facing him burstinto flames.
Oh two it two cameras caught itbecause and one camera started
feeling the ceiling or thefloor.
This poor guy, the cameraman, hewas not standing in front of a
fireplace, he was not standingin front of a candle, like a V,
angel wings of fire up his back.
(14:40):
Um, it wasn't demonic, it wasjust a cranky, cranky ghost,
because cranky in life, crankyin death.
And me, cool witch medium pattybecomes medic Patty, which I am.
I'm certified, I drop and roll,I'm calling in my my protectors,
my guardians.
I set it up to shut it down.
It was insane.
He burst into flames.
(15:01):
I'm looking at the blistering onhis back.
How it turns into a happy thing,though, is that three weeks
later, this guy, he he was afilmmaker in his own.
He was so intrigued atspontaneous combusting himself.
He's like, look at my back.
And where I'd seen theblistering, it literally,
ladies, it literally looked likehe had gone and got a tattoo of
a dragon.
(15:21):
Whoa! Sharp teeth, winged headsinto the shape of the serpent.
And that is the exact energy Icalled in to shut down the
seance.
I work Dragon Meds.
Oh, it's on his back.
I'm like, oh my gosh, you have atramp stamp of a dragon on your
back.
That is the coolest thing I haveever seen in my life.
(15:42):
He thought so too.
He actually wrote a horror filmabout this TV medium, did every
TV show about me.
I think Margot Robbie shouldplay me.
Just saying, if anybody does,but about this TV medium who
opens a portal, does yet anotherreality show, and then it
becomes one of those funny,scary movies.
He wrote it, I'm so honored,with Stephen Norrington, the guy
(16:02):
who wrote The League ofExtraordinary Gentlemen and the
Blade series, and they wrotethis movie about me.
They haven't done it yet.
But I sat down with him, I mustsay, because this media thing we
are all on, I sat down with himfor five hours going, Lauren,
you can't say that in a movie,in a script.
You can't say that on thescreen.
He's like, but you said that.
I went, I know I said that.
(16:23):
That does something, that opensa veil.
You don't want to be one ofthose cursed horror films, do
you?
It happens all the time.
Look at all the poltergeists,exercise.
A spirit and energy, good orbad, doesn't know the difference
of an actor, method actorreciting lines and somebody
really opening up a portal tohell.
So let's change those words thatthey're not going to be powerful
(16:44):
to they'll sound as spooky or asmystical or as magical, but they
won't.
You don't want all the actors todie at 27.
SPEAKER_02 (16:53):
I'm constantly yelling at horror movies for
getting things wrong.
So maybe I should stop that.
Maybe they're supposed to get itwrong so that it well yeah,
there's a fine line.
SPEAKER_01 (17:03):
I don't like because we the witch's movie, Kevin,
that we were talking about thatI do with Heather.
Well, we love it when they getit wrong.
We crack up and the good ones,the bad ones.
We curse each other, we hex eachother.
Um, it's very funny.
But you know, when they get itwrong, it's funny.
But I don't I I get more worriedwhen they say something that's
really right, that's eithersomething that shouldn't be said
(17:24):
from the witchcraft world that'smore an initiate thing that's
supposed to be more private, orwhen they they just do the
ritual completely ass backwardsor something.
SPEAKER_02 (17:34):
When we first started this podcast six years
ago or so, uh, we did manyamateur seances before mediums
started telling us not to dothat until we were properly
trained.
How do we know when we'retrained enough?
Do we show any signs to you ofhaving done something wrong that
went wrong?
I mean, how would we know?
SPEAKER_01 (17:56):
No, I guess, besides the demons standing behind both
of your no, you are fine, andyou would know.
That's the thing people do Ihave a possession, do I have a
detachment?
You would know, you do know.
Yeah, you don't, you're fine,and again, intent is everything.
Yes, I had the cartilage rippedoff my ribs, uh, black dahlia
killer because I had not set upmy protectors in time to and the
(18:16):
thing happened by the way atMarilyn Manson's house, the fire
thing.
So it's not it's not a regularoccurrence that of wild.
unknown (18:23):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (18:24):
So yeah, you do have to be be careful, but again,
your intent, if you're nottrying, you're gonna be fine.
And you guys are both fine.
SPEAKER_02 (18:32):
It it sounds like with all your experience you're
prepared to handle pretty muchanything, but is there any kind
of paranormal subject or ormystery that you decided not to
investigate further and not tolearn more about for any reason?
No, you're I think all knowledgeis good knowledge.
SPEAKER_01 (18:48):
I love yeah, I love to learn.
That's why I even started my myschool, my uh University
Magicus.
I have like 20 teachers, alldifferent paths and and belief
systems and faiths.
I because the more you know, ifyou if you come upon a djinn,
you would need to know how whata djinn is versus versus a
gnome, versus a this versusthat.
I mean, they're just differentnames many much for the same
(19:09):
things.
But if you understandphilosophy, religion, occult
sciences, the more educated youare, the more you can handle
everything.
I travel the world.
So, and to know the beliefsystem of the people I'm working
with so I could talk withinthem.
If I've got a table full ofCatholics, I'm gonna have all my
same information and knowledge,but I'll speak different than if
(19:30):
I've got a table full ofwitches.
Right.
That's smart.
Same information, but I don'twant to scare you the word
Lucifer.
SPEAKER_00 (19:37):
Well, I I had to bring it up.
Let's talk about spectrophiliabecause for those of you that
don't know, spectrophilia, andI'm just gonna say it's a sex
with ghosts.
You could probably explain itbetter than me and Patty.
SPEAKER_01 (19:52):
Yes, it is sex with human, non-human interactions.
It has been around forabsolutely ever.
Every culture has it, everyreligion and belief system has
it.
Otherworldly beings coming downand having interco uh relations
with humans.
It's it's the Christ story, it'severything, a god and this and
(20:13):
that.
It it is, it's every and everyculture has that.
The the otherworldly being, thedeity, the whatever coming down.
And it's almost always vilified,of course, because sex is almost
always vilified.
That's a good point.
Again, our Western prudishghosts are bad enough.
All of us weird, ghosty peopleare weird enough.
(20:34):
Now add sex to it.
We can't talk about this.
It's so off.
But it's happening and it'shappened forever.
So when it I first had clientscoming to me, I hadn't known
about it, I wasn't an expert insuch things young, but it's
like, how do we deal with this?
Because just like human humansex, it's good or not good, it's
(20:55):
consensual or non-consensual.
You don't want the not goodkind, you don't want the
non-consensual kind.
My first client was thenon-consensual, so I started
working with and studying,intensely studying it, so how
she could get rid of what shedidn't want, just like you would
with attachment or anythingelse.
But then people started comingwith my very best friend.
(21:16):
Um, her husband died young of acancer, and then luckily she had
heard me talking about it on aTV show or something like that,
and she's like, he came to me,my husband came to me, and that
he did all the same, whatevertheir foreplay was, this
spooning thing.
And she would have been, had shenot heard that this was a thing,
an okay thing, she would havebeen scared to death, thought it
(21:38):
wasn't real, thought she wascrazy, which most people do, and
not enjoyed it, and not have thebeautiful closure that she had.
So there's people sitting athome in their apartments in
their houses going, oh my god,I'm doing this, I'm having this
thing, good or bad, and a lot ofit is really good, and afraid to
talk to anybody about it,thinking they are crazy or they
(21:58):
are wrong or they are insane orthat's something evil, and it's
none of the above.
So the more we can talk aboutit, um, the better, because I I
hear from people after somethingcomes out.
I did a film years ago calledGhostly Lovers for Discovery
Channel.
It got buried so fast.
They played it one side thing.
(22:19):
I think you could find itsomewhere now, and it was the
positive size of ghosts, Iguess.
I was one of the experts, butplayed it once for Valentine's
Day, and it's like, ah, this istoo scary for discovery.
SPEAKER_00 (22:30):
It always boggles my mind how unready the world is
for things.
Because, like you said, we're inthis world, we just think it's
normal.
SPEAKER_01 (22:35):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
If if you believe in ghosts, ifyou don't believe in ghosts, you
don't believe in ghosts.
But if you believe in ghosts, ifyou believe in spirits and the
other side, nothing dies, asscience says, why all of a
sudden with would sex orintimacy be off the table?
If grandma could hold your handby the side of the bed after
she's passed and let you knowit's okay, I like the guy.
Why all of a sudden, again, sex,which is such an integral part,
(22:58):
be off the table all of asudden?
That doesn't even make sense.
If grandma could show you how tomake lasagna, your husband who
passed away young could saygoodbye.
SPEAKER_00 (23:08):
Yeah?
Just going back in time, likethis has always been a part of
um, I think like ever everyancient religion story has some
idea of um, you know, at leastdeity human sex, and um often
that's where we get demigods,right?
So how is ghost with a spiritdifferent from ghost with a
(23:29):
deity or a ghost with an alien,even?
Or sorry, I said sex with thedeity, sex with an alien.
SPEAKER_02 (23:34):
I need to sorry.
Getting sex and ghosts confusedagain.
SPEAKER_01 (23:39):
It's so confusing, it's hard, you know.
They're both well, I thinkenergetically, I I think you're
gonna feel the difference justlike again, it's the energy of
we all, whether you think you'rein medium or a psychic, you're
intuitive, we all are.
It's in us.
You know, when somebody walksinto a space and you feel this
(24:00):
like, oh my gosh, person, youknow, I don't know how many
deities walk into a room, but ifthey do, we would feel it, we
would know it, or versussomebody really low vibration
and icky.
So you could tell that that'swhy I say when I teach people
how to experience this and howto do it, be picky.
Get for the you want a good highvibration, you know, roll in the
(24:20):
hay with the guns.
SPEAKER_00 (24:23):
Right?
Just like with your livingpartners.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (24:27):
Be picky both sides.
And with a deity, it's gonna bea spiritual experience.
You know, well, sometimes with anon-deity, it's a spirit
spiritual experience as well.
SPEAKER_00 (24:36):
But you know, it's vibration.
Got it, got it.
Again, these ancient storiesthey talk about how there's
often a child that results fromsuch a union.
Is that even possible?
SPEAKER_01 (24:49):
Well, anything can happen.
I don't think that can happen inour this world.
The veil is not quite thinenough yet, because we are on
different planets, so to speak.
Intimacy, sex, that's all energyis one thing.
Birthing a baby that's half aghost.
I don't know.
I'm friends with this woman,Brocard.
She's a UK woman, she's amusician, and she's famous for
(25:12):
marrying a ghost who they thinklooked like Johnny Deff is a
pirate.
I'm not sure.
I love her.
I she's great, and she was shedivorced the ghost, she married
a ghost, she divorced a ghost.
It wasn't a good marriage.
Yes, no, very geographicallyundesirable.
They cannot take you out tolunch, they cannot beat your
parents.
I did another good like a goodmorning, America, but the UK
(25:32):
version of it several years ago,and a woman who wanted to have a
baby with a ghost.
It didn't happen.
It's it's like, you know, dogsand cats don't mate together at
this point, you know, a giraffedoesn't mate with a lion.
You know, it could happen onweird, rare occasions, but I
haven't seen it.
SPEAKER_02 (25:48):
And that you know that the veil is 99.9%
effective, Becky.
SPEAKER_00 (25:51):
So okay.
All right.
SPEAKER_02 (25:53):
We're gonna have to wait till it's a little bit
thinner.
SPEAKER_00 (25:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (25:57):
What do we need to know for 2025?
Like, do you get any messagesthat the world at large should
hear?
SPEAKER_01 (26:05):
We are going through obviously a time of chaos.
In a time, sadly, that we're cutliving it from fear.
Every there's fear, fear-basedstuff, control-based stuff.
Now more than ever, we have tostep into our own power.
Whatever your belief system,don't just do something because
somebody tells you to dosomething.
(26:26):
Don't believe something becausesomebody tells you to believe
something.
They're trying to control you,they're trying to numb you out,
they're trying to make us intophoned in, asleep at the wheel,
by road, automatic pilot, do todo, do do, do, do, do, do.
No, no, quite the opposite.
No.
How do I feel about that?
You develop your intuition, yoursense of integrity, virtue,
(26:48):
ethics, moral code, whatever youwant to do it.
And now is the time, again,whatever your belief system,
take your power back.
And I think anybody you need toget a dragon in your life.
We need dragons.
Whatever how that works for youwithin your belief system, or
they have little plastic dragonsyou literally put a fetish or
spirit into, which I do.
(27:08):
Dragons are how they'redifferent than say our
protective angels.
Angels are great.
Angels, they live in theheavens, their highest
vibrations.
Angels are dextral, which meanseverything they do is holy.
They could do two things,enlighten and protect, two good
things, enlighten and protect.
But they don't have a sinstralside.
Sinstrate is shift.
(27:29):
The word sin comes from central,but it doesn't mean in the
Christian version of the sin.
It means shift.
But so angels are up here, letthem protect you and enlighten
you.
Dragons, which have been aroundforever, every culture, Asian
culture, most certainly, Chineseculture, medieval culture, um,
they often again get a bad rapis dark, evil, but anything
(27:51):
that's powerful, they, whoeverthey is, say is evil, because
anything that's powerful, almosteverything that they say is
evil, is just powerful.
Like, you know, the number 13,walking under a ladder, a black
cat.
They're not breaking a mirror.
That's not evil, that'spowerful.
You could use it for good or forevil.
But dragons, they're not just inthe heavens, they can fly
(28:13):
between heaven and earth, whichmeans they live at the
crossroads.
And anybody who does magic andspellcraft, the crossroads is
where magic happens.
That's where you, oh, I'm takingit to crossroads.
Because think about it.
If you're on a one-way road, yougo this way, you turn around and
you go this way.
You get here or there.
All of a sudden you get to anintersection or you get to a
crossroads, you have all theseoptions.
(28:34):
Dragons live at the crossroads.
So get yourself a little uh afetish, a living spirit out of
an inner feet at every okay,dragon, today I have a headache.
Give me energy, take that away.
I'm getting kind of broke.
I need a money opportunity.
You send them out, they live toserve you, they're like little
worker bees.
Game changer.
Game changer.
So figure out how dragon.
(28:55):
I mean, I have videos on how todo it.
It's in my book, my first book,Old World Magic.
Um, anybody I know, I theeverything from breaking sports
teams' curses with the LADodgers to getting people out of
of public massacres.
Dragons.
unknown (29:11):
Dragons.
SPEAKER_02 (29:12):
I do have a little plastic dragon dangling in a
little metal cage over my diningroom table right now.
SPEAKER_01 (29:18):
Breathe life into it.
Feed it every talk it to it,feed it.
They don't eat, but they drinkand they drink a lot.
Put a little lid off a waterbottle underneath it.
It'll drink more every day.
Tell it what you want.
If it's hanging, I don't knowhow you water it, but water it
and they will drink faster.
You will be amazed.
Whiskey, water, bread bowl, itwill let you know what it wants.
(29:40):
Breathe life into it.
Give it a name, give it a job.
I like personal assistant.
You are my personal assistant.
Give me a long, happy lifefilled with travel, adventure,
love, health, happiness.
Breathe life into it.
As in every great creationstory, breathe life because
that's your pneuma, your lifeforce, the moisture in your
breath, your free will.
And then sit it so.
Okay, you are Puff the MagicDragon, you can whatever you
(30:02):
are.
And then every day it works withpsychology, the mind, body,
spirit of this is what I needtoday, what I want.
You're telling it what to do.
Body, you're literally have thisbody you've created in the
spirit, you've created a realentity.
It's called the Egregora,Servatora, Tolpa.
Everybody system has thesecreated spirits.
Game changer.
When did you start working withdragons?
(30:24):
I don't know.
It's just been a part of me forquite some time.
I've always been very elemental.
These are beautiful elementalcreatures.
It's just been a part of me fora very long time.
You can get fancier ones thanthis, but I love these little
ones.
I'm actually going to startselling beautiful little metal
ones, but now you can get 3Dones.
You can get um have beautifulcrystal ones, but it's funny the
(30:46):
little inexpensive plastic one.
I can't tell you, and I guess Ican't tell you, not as how many
movie stars, A-listers, AcademyAward winners feed their dragon
every day.
SPEAKER_00 (30:58):
I believe it.
I believe it.
That is amazing.
Nice little piece of advice.
We have not had anybody on yetwho's talked about dragons.
We need dragons right now.
2025.
You mentioned movies, and youhave a podcast about movies.
Do you have a favorite witchymovie that just really checks
(31:21):
all the boxes for you?
Practical magic.
SPEAKER_01 (31:24):
Ah yeah.
My movie's Wizard of Oz, becausethat's Wizard of Oz.
That's my favorite witchy movie.
I have the big pink dress.
Somebody's borrowing it rightnow for a Wizard of Oz show, but
I have the Glinda dress.
Wizard of Oz, practical magic.
I love Witches of East Wing.
And modern day witches doneright.
(31:44):
Um, but again, just like withthe podcast um witches movie,
Kevin, we love the really badones too.
And there's some really badones.
SPEAKER_02 (31:53):
My favorite bad one recently was Cursed Friends.
SPEAKER_01 (31:56):
Oh, I haven't seen that cursed friends.
SPEAKER_02 (31:57):
Oh, oh, it's it's very hilarious.
But I I usually do uh the comedyside of horror movies.
SPEAKER_01 (32:02):
But yeah, no, we do the comedy side too.
We'll do any side of it.
That's awesome.
Well I'll have to I'll have tosuggest it to Heather and the
team.
It's weird.
SPEAKER_00 (32:11):
This has been a lot of fun, and our audience has
been asking to talk to you.
So I'm really glad that we wereable to get on here, especially
with your new book, Dollcraft,which is so exciting.
I have a copy of that formyself, even though I don't plan
to have a haunted doll anytimesoon.
I know it's going to be a very,very valuable read because you
never know.
Well, you never know what mightbe.
SPEAKER_02 (32:31):
People mail them to us all the time.
SPEAKER_00 (32:33):
Do mail them to us.
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.
So know how to take care of it.
This has been excellent.
We've been listening to PattyNegri, who has been on so many
programs.
She has Paraflix, that is yourown station.
And then you also have TheWitching Hour, which is your
podcast.
The Witch's Movie Coven with uhHeather Green, which we have
(32:54):
spoken to very recently.
You can also check out herwebsite at pattynegri.com where
you can find out all of thesethings.
And be sure you follow her onsocial media.
She's very easy to find, and shehas some amazing clips that she
shares from interviews just likethis.
And you're gonna really enjoywatching all of her material.
(33:15):
So thank you so much, Patty.
This has been a real joy.
SPEAKER_01 (33:19):
Thank you both.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_02 (33:20):
Diana and Hainted Loves, what do you think?
Now, if somebody sends you ahaunted doll in the mail, I
think you'll know exactly whatto do to avoid having a spooky
day.
SPEAKER_00 (33:32):
Homespun Haints is hosted by Becky Kalimnik and
Diana Doty, and produced byHomespun Haints Media LLC.
Editing and music by BeckyKilimnik.
Show notes by Diana Doty.
If you have a ghost story andyou'd like to be considered as a
guest for this podcast, pleasevisit our website at
homespunhaints.comslash submit.
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