Chris from The Wandering Road podcast shares his family's terrifying experiences in both his childhood homes in The Bronx and Queens, NYC, where mysterious entities threatened and terrorized them for years.
• Childhood encounters with small shadowy creatures called "duendes" in their Bronx apartment
• Strange phenomenon in their Queens home including doors slamming and electronics turning on by themselves
• Heavy footsteps in the attic and mysterious knocking on doors with no one there
• A growling entity outside Chris's bedroom door at 4am
• Chris's sister's "imaginary friend" named Andy who wore a 1920s sailor suit
• Chris's aunt being thrown out of the bathroom
• Chris's mother getting attacked while blessing the house
• The spirit of an old woman threatened to kill Chris's family in his mother's dream
• Family members' voices would call family members' names when no one was home
• Nazi paraphernalia found in the attic seemed to confirm the rumor that previous owners practiced occult rituals
• These terrifying experiences led Chris to a spiritual awakening
You can find The Wandering Road podcast on podcast platforms, YouTube, and social media @TWRpod
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
New York is known for many things A fast-paced
demeanor, an incredible artscene and the ability to get a
great slice of pizza at four inthe morning.
But for one family, their newhouse in a swanky Queens
neighborhood meant one thingabove all else evil spirits.
(00:25):
Was this family tormented bydeceased former residents of
their home, or were evil occultNazi practices at play?
You decide today on HomespunHaints.
Hello, hainted Loves, welcometo Homespun Haints.
(00:47):
I am Becky.
Hi, I'm Diana.
Today on the show we have Chrisfrom the Wandering Road podcast
.
We're so excited to talk to him.
He approached us.
He knows JJ, who you heard froma few episodes ago, and we are
actually going to be on theWandering Road podcast this week
(01:07):
, on this Friday.
So if you're listening to thisepisode as it comes out, make
sure you go check out theWandering Road podcast so you
can hear me and Diana at all ofour glory.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Crossovers, crossovers.
Everybody loves a crossoverepisode, don't they?
Well, becky, luckily I sawsomething yesterday.
Answers an age-old questionthat you've had for me in the
past, and you've asked me thismultiple times, and both times I
had to guesstimate because Ihadn't actually gotten any
metrics yet.
So yesterday I was able togather data and interpret
(01:42):
metrics to answer your questionwith perfect accuracy, and the
answer is six minutes Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I don't know what question I would have asked.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
That's how long it takes for Aldabra tortoises to
fuck.
Don't you remember asking methat?
And I didn't know.
I was all impressed with myself.
And then you asked me the onequestion.
I didn't know timing.
I don't pay attention to timing.
There are tortoises fucking.
I'm having too much funwatching.
Oh, when you were at the zoo,yes, I was at the zoo, yeah, and
(02:11):
yesterday I went back and Ihung out right in the tortoise
pen and it's springtime.
One of the tortoises one of thebig tortoises was following one
of the little tortoises aroundfor a long time.
I following one of the littletortoises around for a long time
.
I was watching him chase her,and then another tortoise cut in
line and totally, totally tookit for himself.
Was the female tortoiseconsenting to this act.
(02:34):
I don't know how to defineconsent when it's a tortoise.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I mean, was she trying to move away?
Or she was like, ah, enjoyingherself.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
She was walking slowly, while they were engaged
in the coital activity.
So, I'm assuming she was tryingto get away, but tortoises
don't do anything very fast.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Okay, it took them six minutes Six minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
For the entire event.
I pulled out my video camerafor you.
Becky.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
So now you have a video of this.
Oh no, Are we going to?
Are we going to share it here?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Absolutely.
Would you like to see it rightnow?
I would Let me text it to you.
The best part of this was itwas like a total operation, like
70s porn operation, becauseAmber was filming from a
different angle.
So we actually have multiplecamera angle views that we can
edit together into aprofessional video of this if we
want to.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well, how do you know for sure that he finished he?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
stopped groaning.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
He was groaning.
Yeah Well, we won't play theentire clip here, Hainted Loves,
because that would just beterrible.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
You'll have to go to the show notes for that if you
want the entire clip.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
But here's a snippet for your viewing pleasure.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I don't know.
Snippet just sounds like tooappropriate of a term for what
we're about to see.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Okay let's watch this thing.
Oh my god, he is crowding.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Oh wow, and if you zoom in, he's also regurgitating
a bunch of chewed up grass.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Oh my god, gross Sexy .
Oh, she is not enjoying that atall.
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
She's like.
I wasn't expecting aregurgitation.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
That's a surprise, oh no, oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
The groaning is quite oh my god.
Well, you know so.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
The groaning is quite impressive, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Sadly, there were no children at the time that
required an explanation of thebehavior, so we didn't get to
talk about it but there weresome other adults there laughing
at me.
Oh my god, you'll get to hearit later in the video, I guess.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Why is he throwing up Gross Hard work?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
This guy's like 120 years old and weighs at least
300 pounds.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
He's just like whatever, Do not get me knocked
up, you dumbass.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Oh no, they're going for that.
They've got one of the mostsuccessful Aldabra turtle
breeding programs in anycaptivity in the United States.
Yeah, I can see why.
I can see why there's a lot ofcompetition.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Did they like spray her with aphrodisiacs or
something?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Something happened because those turtles were
following her in a line.
But here's the thing the guywho cut in line and got his the
other guy.
He literally watched and thenturned around and sighed and a
single wet tear dribbled fromhis little reptile eye.
(05:56):
I'm not kidding, I'm notkidding.
He sighed and cried when helost his turn in line.
I felt bad for that guy.
He was not having a good day.
I feel bad for the female.
Oh no, wait here.
Here's the ultimate kicker.
If she really wanted to say no,guess what?
The part of her shell rightover her backside touches the
(06:18):
ground.
Oh.
So if she wanted to cut him off, she could quite literally cut
him off okay that's a hard shelland that's a lot of concrete.
So whoa, okay, all right, so itwas.
It was at least consensual tothat degree, oh my god, whoa.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Okay, I can't unsee that that was.
Do you have any?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
other questions now that I've answered your burning
question of how long do theyfuck?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I'm at a loss for words.
Excellent, I talk about beingin the right place at the right
time it is.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It is uh fortunate because, like I said, six
minutes out of who knows howmany years since he's been able
to find a female.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I mean, they, they move really slow wow, okay, so
she's gonna have little bibbids,little eggs.
What kind of turtle is thisagain?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
A labra turtle, aldabra A-L-D-A-B-R-A.
So yes, I have sent you theirprofessional headshots that are
on display at the zoo so you canidentify who was fucking who
and who was left out.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Have I really asked you how long it takes for them
to fuck?
Has that actually been aquestion I've asked you?
Are you just saying that forshow business purpose?
Really, yes, what is wrong with?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
me.
Nothing that's not wrong withme, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Okay, okay, well, chris, you are welcome.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
And while Becky's lost for words, chris is not.
Our next guest is coming on.
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Thank you, connie and Kathleen.
Yes, yes, I guess I'll have tomake more Yule gifts this year.
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(10:15):
Today on the show we have Chrisfrom the Wandering Road podcast
.
He is co-host with his buddyDean.
(10:35):
They explore topics verysimilar to our own.
They circle around theparanormal.
They talk to other very, veryinteresting guests.
I am so excited to talk toChris today about aliens.
So, among other things, welcometo the show, chris.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Thank you, Becky.
Thank you, Diana for having meon the show.
I know I reached out to youguys on such short notice
because you guys had my buddy JJon.
He is amazing.
Love you, JJ, he was a delight.
I know I reached out to youguys on such short notice
because you guys had my buddy JJon.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
He is amazing.
Love you, JJ.
He was a delight.
So how do you and JJ know eachother?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Well, when I first started the podcast, it was
probably a little over two yearsnow.
Okay, I randomly reached out tohim on.
I think it was like podcastguests or whatever that website
is.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
That's where I found him.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I saw Southern Demonology and I'm like, oh,
that sounds really interesting,let's see what this guy has to
say.
And the thing that like keyedme in was japanese ghosts and
demons and I'm like, okay, thatsounds good for a specialized
episode.
So I reached out to jj, had himon the show.
It went so great.
Then we went on his show.
(11:47):
It was for me to share mystories Completely awesome.
Then we became friends onsocial media, tiktok friends,
and we just kept sending eachother memes back and forth and
we've just been good friendsever since.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Have you met in person.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Not yet.
We plan to do that.
We're not that far from eachother.
I'm in Western Pennsylvania andI think he's like in Northern
Virginia.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, yeah, you guys are pretty close, post-pandemic
adult relationships no longerdepend on physical proximity at
all.
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
My husband always gives me a hard time whenever
Diana and I plan to meetsomebody that we've met through
the podcast in person, and it'salways some remote, haunted,
middle of nowhere location andhe's like, wait a minute, you do
just know these people throughthe internet, right, and you're
going to be driving to wherethere's no cell phone reception
and the lights are out and I'mlike, oh, you put it that way.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yes, as we hunt for ghosts until 4 am in the woods
in the dark.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
You do get to know people very, very well these
days through these onlinechannels and through podcasting.
I mean, once you have thesevery intimate conversations
about very intense topics, whenyou think about it, exploring
the unknown, then you really doget to know people.
So what part of you saidWestern Pennsylvania?
How close are you to Pittsburgh?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I'm a little bit outside of Pittsburgh.
Okay, so you are in theAppalachians technically, yeah,
yeah, you could say that.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I love it because they're haunted and creepy.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
What inspired you to start the wandering road.
The reason I started thepodcast is because, bless my
wife, I've just randomly talkedto her about these things that
come into my head I talk to myfriends about it, talk to my
in-laws and it's you know, yourun into people that are like,
okay, that's nice, I reallydon't want to talk about this
(13:43):
because I don't have an interestin it.
So my wife, will be sittingthere listening to me and I'm
also I don't want to say veryopinionated, but I just, like
you, see all these podcasts outthere and I'm not trying to
throw shade at anyone or anyonein particular, but, like they
(14:05):
throw their opinions out in theether and some of it is like
what are you talking about?
And you actually get paid tosay this.
So, so I was like okay, I havecertain opinions, I enjoy
talking about certain topics,let's give this a try.
And it started off kind of likea middle ground type of thing
(14:30):
where I take a particular topicthat's where the wandering road
came from where I didn't havelike a specific topic, like each
week it would be different.
So my first, first episode thatI ever did was about the
hogwarts stuff, like the videogame.
Everyone was complaining aboutit, like if you play it, you
support JK Rowling.
It's like no, not really, Idon't, I don't care for her, but
(14:52):
I like the Harry Potteruniverse type of thing.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Trying to be objective as possible, Right,
separate the art from the artist.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
And then my third episode is when I had my cousin
on to talk about his paranormalexperiences and I was like this
was really fun, this was reallyfun to talk about, it was really
creepy.
And then I did some solo creepyepisodes.
I started with La Llorona andthat's where it kind of branched
out from there.
Then I brought Dean on for anepisode and I was like dude, we
(15:24):
actually really vibe pretty well.
Doing this solo is very hardbecause you have to write out a
freaking manuscript before youeven start recording.
So I was like do you want tocome on permanently as a host?
And he's like yeah, absolutely.
He's like I actually wanted tostart a podcast with my wife but
we never had time.
So he was ready with equipmentand everything.
(15:45):
So like okay, let's, let's getthis going and then we just we
talk about AI, we talk aboutaliens, we talk about the
paranormal demons, cryptids,whatever strange thing you could
think of.
We try to tackle and give ouropinion on and try to find
examples to talk about.
But I think the most favoritething that I do with my podcast
(16:09):
is that I try to create like aparanormal safe space therapy
type of session, because I'msure you've guys experienced
this as well.
When you talk to certain peopleabout this, but for whatever
particular reason, whether it betheir religious beliefs, you
know they just box themselvesinto their own reality right
they're uncomfortable talkingabout it or they're ashamed to
(16:31):
talk about it, and I was likeyou know what?
what the hell?
Let's bring people on, shareyour stories.
You're not going to be judged,because I went through stuff
myself, so I know what it feelslike to not be believed.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
So you mentioned that you have your own experiences.
What stories would you like toshare with us?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
So I can start with the alien one first, to fit your
theme.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Hell yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
It's not as great as it sounds.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
What.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Don't say that I'm sure it's not as great as it
sounds what Don't say that I'msure it's not.
It was one of those things whereit's like was it aliens, was it
a spotlight, was it ahelicopter?
I'm leaning more towardssomething alien-y, and the
reason I say that is I grew upin New York, so I was born and
raised in the Bronx, but weended up moving to Queens and
(17:20):
that's relevant to the storiesI'll share later when I was
about nine years old.
So I remember this.
One time we were coming backfrom a trip from Manhattan, we
took the train and we took the Atrain specifically, we got off
at Lefferts Boulevard and whenwe got off of the train, we got
off at Lefferts Boulevard andwhen we got off of the train, we
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start walking home.
It's about 1030 at night, sothis was probably maybe 2003,
2004 ish, and we noticed thislight.
Like when we'd stop, it wouldstop.
When we walk, it would walk.
And I remember my sister was inthe stroller and my mom, like
I'm walking beside my mom andshe looks a little concerned,
(18:03):
and I'm like mom, is that, isthat the police, is that a
spotlight or something?
And she didn't know what totell me.
So we just kept going, we justbeelined it to home and the
entire time.
This light is following us andit eventually like we got to our
home and we got inside, lookedout the window not there anymore
(18:27):
how high up in the sky was itwhen you say it followed you?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
was it like eye height on the sidewalk behind
you, or was it like way up inthe sky?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
it was like way up in the sky, and the more more I
think about it, the more Irealize this is not an airplane,
this is not a helicopter.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
You would have heard a helicopter.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah, it was like a single light, like a single
white light With a helicopter.
You'd hear the rotors, You'dsee the green and red flashing
lights.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Right, of course.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Same thing with an airplane You'd hear their
loud-ass engines.
It's not, and I live near JFKAirport, so there's a lot of air
traffic coming back and forththrough the area and you know
what it sounds like.
This had no sound.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
This is also before drones were really a thing too.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, You're talking early 2000s.
So if there were drones theywere probably really expensive
and no one in my area would havehad that.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
And you would have still been able to hear
something.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Right yeah, some sort of motor or something of that
sort.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
When you completed the journey and you got home and
it turned out that it wasn'tthere anymore, did you feel like
it had any deeper meaning orthat it maybe was a threat to
you or interacting with you insome way?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
not necessarily um.
The only reason I was concernedwas because my mom was
concerned.
I thought it was cool.
I was like 12 years old at thetime 12 13 so at that age I'm
like, oh, that looks really neatin the sky, and my mom's like
we need to get the fuck home,right?
I don't want to stick around tofind out you know what's going
(20:04):
on, because you're talking abouta lady that has her like tween
son and her daughter in thestroller, who's maybe would have
been, I don't know, five yearsold at the time.
She's like I don't, I don'twant to deal with this, I just
want to get home.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You said that was a UFO story, but do you have ghost
stories as well?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Oh, plenty, so I'll start from the beginning.
So, like I said, born andraised in New York in the Bronx,
ended up moving to Queens.
So the first thing that I canspecifically remember comes
while I was still living in theBronx.
I was probably maybe five yearsold at the time between ages
(20:51):
four to six and I know it'saround that time because my
sister was just born so it hadto be between like five and six
years old.
If you guys have seen what NewYork apartments look like, the
rooms are very big in such asmall area.
At the same time, the one bigbedroom where I stayed in with
(21:11):
my parents there was one bigwindow and all of our beds were
situated to the right side ofthe room, against the wall, and
I had this little Batman car bed.
Yes, and it was pressed upagainst the wall.
So when I would wake up and Iwould turn, my parents' dresser
(21:32):
was right there.
You had the TV, so thefurniture was all the way on the
other side.
So I wake up it was aroundabout 3 am.
I look over and there's thesedwarf looking type of things.
What, yeah, in in othercultures, like hispanic culture,
(21:53):
they call them duendes.
So I didn't know what it was atthe time and it wasn't until
recently throughout doing mypodcast.
I'm like, hmm, this kind ofsounds like dwen days.
There was about six or seven ofthem there and I'm just looking
at them.
I can't make out any featuresor anything.
But one thing I specificallyremember is that I started
(22:18):
yelling at them.
So picture a little kid atthree in the morning yelling at
them, telling, telling them like, why are you here?
You don't belong in here, youneed to get out now get out of
my batmobile, yeah yeah, yeah,yeah, don't do not.
No, this is my batmobile.
Get away from it nice so my momwakes up and she tells me in
(22:40):
Spanish basically she reprimandsme in Spanish, saying like what
the fuck are you doing?
Why are you awake?
Why are you screaming?
And then I told her what I saw.
She looks over and obviously Ilook over and they're not there
anymore, of course.
So I'm like, okay, whatever, Igo to bed, fast forward about 30
(23:05):
years, 25 years.
When I was visiting my parentsin florida this past late august
, september, um, me and my wife,we went down there for our
third wedding anniversary.
I was talking to my mom and I'mlike mom, you remember that one
time I did that?
And she's like yeah, that's notthe only time that happened.
She's like one time I had tosleep in the bed with you
because you said you were scaredthey were going to get you.
(23:27):
One time she was feeding mysister at this around that time,
two, three o'clock in themorning, and she came to get me
because I was so terrified.
I don't have any memory of that.
The only memory I have is ofthe one time when I'm yelling at
them and she's like no, thishas happened multiple times.
(23:48):
So that starts my paranormaljourney being tormented as a
child.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
By duendes by duendes .
Did your mom when she told youabout the other instances?
Did she say what you describedin those instances?
Did you ever describe thecreatures to her?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah, she said she's seen them before too, oh.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, just the little shadows.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
So my mom is super Catholic, so she's not really
afraid of anything.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, I get it For her.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So if something bothers your kid, you go into
mama bear mode.
You're like okay, what, what'sfucking with my kid?
Because I'm gonna kick your ass.
Like don't mess with my kid,and that's how my mom always was
, both physically and with theparanormal did your mom also
think they were duende?
She never really named it, butshe just kind of validated what
(24:42):
I saw.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
She was more focused on you know, making sure her
kids were okay, as opposed to,you know, trying to figure out
what it is, because she kind ofhas the mentality is like, okay,
I'll deal with it as it comes,but I'm not going to actively
try to learn about it.
If that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Did these things appear only in that this was the
queen's apartment right?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
the bronx apartment they only appeared in the bronx.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I only saw them there okay, so it's not like they
followed you around.
Maybe they were just attachedto that building somehow.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, I wish they did , Because I'd rather deal with
them than what we dealt with inQueens.
Uh-oh yeah, and what'sinteresting is that the whole
Queens situation kind of camefull circle when I started my
podcast.
Kind of came full circle when Istarted my podcast because
(25:44):
almost everybody in thehousehold has.
Now that we haven't been theresince 2007, 2008.
Now people are more comfortabletalking about it, but we do it
in a joking manner because it'slike I'm not going to be down
depressed or something like that, because you can't do anything
about it now it's whatever, thenew owner's problem.
So in 1999, we moved to Queens.
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We moved to a two family home.
So my parents and myself and mysister, we ended up living
upstairs, and my aunt, uncle andcousin they ended up living
downstairs.
We move into the house.
When we were early into themove, my mom had to go to work.
I went to school and my auntcame to babysit my younger
(26:28):
sister.
My mom comes back from work andmy aunt tells my mom, you have
visitors in this home and mymom's like what are you talking
about?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Did somebody?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
come over while we were mom's.
Like what are you talking about?
Did somebody come over while wewere gone?
Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Not that kind of visitors.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
No, she's like you have visitors in this home.
Yeah, and I'll preface bysaying that my mom can hear and
see things.
She has eight other siblings.
They can all do it as well, butthey don't really talk about it
.
The most common thing thatwould happen when we moved in
early on I remember my aunt hadthis stereo system, like with
(27:09):
the whole big speakers from likethe 1980s right.
So we move in, they have it.
So when you walk through thefront door, immediately to the
left is the door to their partof the house and then for us you
would go straight through alittle hallway up the stairs and
you hang a left and our door isright there Between the steps
(27:39):
and that apartment there's likea little walkway to the left and
goes around the steps that goin.
That goes into the basement.
So I remember when I was ninethey had the stereo system set
up.
Nobody was home downstairs, itwas me and my mom and my sister.
The stereo system would justturn on by itself I went
downstairs and I turn it off.
(28:00):
I look around the place no one'shome and I'm like, okay, it's
old, it's from the mid 80s,whatever.
We're almost in the year 2000.
There's something electricalgoing on.
Go back upstairs, happens again.
I'm like, okay, you know what,I'm going to unplug it.
Unplug it, whatever.
(28:21):
Go back upstairs again.
Turns on, again unplugged well,well well so I'm like, okay,
this is weird.
And and the odd thing is is thatI wasn't the only one that
experienced this, that heardthis, my mom heard it, my sister
heard it.
That wasn't the only isolatedincident where we unplugged it
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and it turned on by itself.
My cousin dealt with thisbefore he told his parents, like
look, this thing is turning onby itself.
I didn't turn it on, andthey're like you know what?
Whatever, we'll go get a newone.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
They get a new one.
They get a new setup.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
The fucking thing still turns on by itself.
That goes like music.
It would go full blast, likefull blast.
You could turn it off with theknob fully down and it would be
full blast.
I'd be sitting upstairs in myliving room and it would scare
the shit out of me.
I'm like what the fuck is that?
So not only do we have thatwhen we move, then the footsteps
in the attic.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Ooh.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Every day you would hear back and forth like heavy
stomps, like someone had bootson stomping back and forth, back
and forth the whole length ofthe attic.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Oh, so like from one side of the house all the way to
the other.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Mm, hmm, that's the attic stuff.
My parents, my dad specifically,and my uncle, tried to say it
was pigeons and squirrels, andI'm like pigeons don't have
Timberland boots on and I'm likepigeons don't have Timberland
boots on, so there's no fuckingway that it's pigeons and
squirrels stomping in the attic.
(30:05):
That sounds a little silly as akid.
At the time you accepted theexplanation of the adults.
I'm not going to argue with youbecause I don't know what the
hell I'm talking about.
I trust you because you're anadult.
You're my parents, you're myaunt, you're my uncle.
So we left it alone.
Sporadically.
(30:26):
You would be sitting in theliving room by yourself.
You would hear footsteps in thehallway.
You would hear footsteps in ourhouse proper, like in our
apartment proper, just walking.
If you were by yourself, itamplified, but as soon as the
lights went out, you would hearfootsteps walking back and forth
(30:46):
.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
And everybody heard this.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yep, my mom is a very light sleeper and she would
hear this stuff all the time.
Other things that would happenis like we'd be sitting there.
This happened frequentlybetween 6 pm and 8 pm every day
after school.
I don't know why, but we wouldhear three knocks on our door.
(31:10):
Me as a little 11 year old kidmy dumb ass.
I'm like, oh shit, my cousin'shere, like we're gonna go play
playstation or something.
I open the door.
No one's there.
I'm like, okay, whateverhappens again.
I open the door.
No one's there.
This happens frequently forlike weeks on end.
My dad's sitting there watchinglike nbc news, like forcing us
(31:33):
to watch it.
I don't really give a crap thenone day it happens again and I
was gonna get up and go answerthe door and he was like no, I'm
gonna go answer it, just tomake sure it's not your cousin
dicking around trying to prankus, because my cousin is like
maybe five, six years older thanme.
So my dad goes, opens the doorand he never believed me when I
(31:54):
said there was no one there.
Here's a knock, opens the door.
There's nobody there.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
We go downstairs.
We both go downstairs.
There's nobody home.
My cousin's out with hisfriends.
My uncle worked at a schoolovernight so he wasn't there,
and my aunt and my mom worked inManhattan.
They weren't home because theyusually came home at the same
time, because they had to take.
They took the same train, sohe's like, okay, no one there.
(32:23):
I don't know what it is theother thing that would happen to
me in that house.
This only happened once, butit's still terrifying to me this
day.
I was maybe 12 years old at thetime and I got up around four
in the morning because I reallyhad to use the bathroom.
I get up, I walk to my roomdoor and I hear this growl Think
(32:50):
of the beast from Beauty andthe Beast this guttural growl.
I freeze, I don't know what'sout there.
I'm terrified.
I go back into bed and I justlay there in fear for hours
(33:11):
until the sun comes up.
I never liked being alone inthat house.
I always felt like somethingwas watching me.
I wasn't the only one that hada nighttime experience like that
okay, okay my cousin who liveddownstairs.
He woke up one night aroundthree in the morning, needed to
(33:31):
use the restroom.
He got to his door and he sawthis light going from the
bathroom down to the basement.
Bathroom, down to the basement.
There was nobody awake, nofootsteps, no, nothing.
He said he just sat in his bed,stared at the bottom of the
(33:53):
door and just watched this lightgo back and forth for hours
until the sun came up.
You know, like remembering allof this stuff, like yeah, I joke
about it and it's just it makesme really uncomfortable,
because anytime I talk aboutthis place it feels like
(34:13):
whatever is there knows you'retalking about it.
So we had the footsteps in theattic, we have the knocking on
the door, you have the footstepsgoing through the living room.
There were instances where myaunt would be home alone
downstairs and she would hearsomeone stomping in my room oh,
that's, scary just stomping,running back and forth like just
(34:36):
going ham like a teenager on ondrugs or something could that
have been what growled?
At you potentially so.
Yeah, I remember one time shecame upstairs like screaming
she's like it's like nineo'clock at night I'm trying to
sleep and we were all in theliving room watching a movie.
Fast forward to the summer ofthis is probably 0506 to the
summer of this was probably 05,06.
(34:58):
My dad's sister had come tolive with us so she ended up
staying upstairs with us.
I laugh at it now.
Picture this you walk into theapartment.
As soon as you get in, there'sthe dining room.
To the left is the living room.
You go directly to the right,there's a door.
You open the door, it bringsyou into the kitchen.
(35:20):
You walk eight feet and ittakes you to this kind of
squarish hallway.
If you go down the hallway,take an immediate left is the
entrance to the bathroom, anddirectly across from the
bathroom is the entrance to thecloset and there's probably a
good I want to say six and ahalf, seven feet between those
(35:42):
two doors.
So I'm standing in the kitchen,my mom is standing in the
kitchen, my sister is standingin my room doorway.
My aunt walks out of myparents' room, turns to go into
the bathroom, opens the stepsone foot inside and then gets
flung into the closet door whoalike she stepped on a landmine.
(36:07):
Yeah, right I can remember itclear as day.
That's something that's beenburnt into my mind forever.
Like she gets shoved, she letsout a little yelp, slams into
the door and my mom to try todiffuse the situation because
she has a teenager and a younggirl.
She's like, oh, I guess theghost had to use the bathroom.
(36:29):
I talked to my aunt about it.
I'm like, yeah, you rememberthat.
She's like oh, how can I forget?
and she's like that thing hatedme oh she was a devout christian
and that thing hated mygrandmother because my
grandmother on my indian, on my,my dad's side, my dad's indian
and my grandmother was a devouthindu and she would wake up
(36:51):
every day before sunrise to pray.
There were times where, aftermy grandfather passed away,
something would take a cup ofwater and toss it in her face
while she's sleeping.
Oh, which she confided into mymom a little bit before she
passed away, and she said thatthey don't let me sleep, the
voices don't let me sleep.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
The voices.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
She'd be like in a dead sleep and something would
scream in her face.
These things would push her.
There was one time my sistersaw her actually get pushed,
like she was just standing stilland, you see, like something
nudges her over and she falls.
Oh my gosh, yeah.
So there were instances whereit got violent.
(37:32):
For some reason, it never gotviolent with me, it never showed
itself to me.
It would never show itself tothe men that lived in the
household.
It was only the women.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Was it women or was it people who were very strong
believers in their faith?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
My mom like being very Catholic.
Yeah, it would make itselfknown.
I think it would make itselfknown, like you said, dianaiana,
to people that were strongbelievers.
Because my dad, even though hewas a strong believer at the
time, it's like he's workinglike a manual labor job, like
all the time he doesn't havetime to process this stuff.
(38:09):
Same with my uncle and mycousin being a teen, like he's
never home, he's like out withhis girlfriend and friends and
stuff like that.
So they would be the ones thatwere most affected.
So jj thinks it's demonic thegrowl yeah.
Yeah, jj thinks something thereis demonic and I will share that
(38:29):
.
I found out this informationlate last year that prior to
moving into the home there weretwo older German ladies that
live across the street.
Never told anyone this.
They introduced themselvesbecause they saw they were
(38:49):
moving in.
They said to my aunt you haveto bless that home before you
move in and after you move in,because the people there they
were German as well wereinvolved in some occult
practices.
They made the claim that somepoor girl was used for maybe
some satanic or nefariouspurposes oh my god I would think
(39:14):
if you're doing something likethat, you're opening a portal.
The claim is that this happenedin the same room that my mom
tried to bless and got choked inwait what yeah well, you, you
didn't go over that part yet no,no, I was trying to go in like
sequential order all right damnokay so the german ladies next
(39:39):
door said we just want to warnyou there was some nefarious
satanism going on there and youbetter bless the house when you
allegedly alleged satanism.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Okay, gotcha, gotcha and then so your mom followed
the advice.
She tried to bless the houseyeah.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
So my mom didn't do that until after her and my dad
actually signed closingdocuments to move.
This happened after I told myparents like look, I want to get
the fuck out of here, I don'twant to live here anymore.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
I was either a junior or senior in high school at
this point, oh, so you put upwith it for a few years.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yeah, and also because of my sister.
My sister had an imaginaryfriend named Andy.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Oh, that's not creepy at all.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
No, it was a kid that was dressed in a 1920s sailor
suit she described him.
Oh, dressed in a 1920s sailorsuit?
She described him.
Yeah, yeah, you know thosethings like to appear as
children.
Yep, my sister would walkaround holding his hand and one
time we were going to go to thestore down the street.
We get to the end of the streetand my mom's like is andy still
(40:45):
with you?
And she's like no, he's notallowed to leave this general
area.
He has to go back to the house.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Not allowed by who?
Speaker 3 (40:58):
She said that Andy's mom didn't allow him to leave a
specific area.
He wasn't allowed to go acrossthe street, leave a specific
area.
He wasn't allowed to go acrossthe street.
After we we decided to move mymom being catholic, she likes to
bless the house.
She had those little you everseen, those lantern thingies
they have in the catholic church, so she would get that.
(41:21):
She would put incense in it andshe'd light it and she'd go
around every room saying herprayer.
Whatever she does this upstairs,she does my room, her room, my
sister's kitchen, living room,dining room, everything's fine.
She goes downstairs, tells myuncle, like hey, I'm doing a
cleanse, is it okay?
Because my family downstairs.
(41:41):
They were Muslim.
So she always asked like okay,is it okay if I do this for you?
And my uncle's like you know, Idon't give a shit Like asked
like okay, is it okay if I dothis for you?
My uncle's like you know Idon't give a shit like like
you're, it's a prayer to god,you're fine.
So she does their living room,does their dining room, kitchen,
goes to my aunt's room, fine,goes to my cousin's room.
(42:03):
And this is where it getsfucking weird.
She started, you know, swingingit, you know, to get the
incense smoke.
Sure, started saying a prayer,atmosphere got really thick and
she felt something like chokingher To the point where she's
like I gotta get the fuck out ofthis room before I pass out
(42:26):
from being choked.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Fast forward to that night.
Night she has a dream that shewakes up.
She's still in her bed, theenvironment is the house in her
dream and in her doorway is thisold lady pointing at her,
yelling at her you're trying toget me out of my own fucking
house.
I'm gonna fucking kill you andyour fucking family.
This is my fucking house.
(42:48):
You're trying to get me out ofmy own fucking house.
I'm going to fucking kill youand your fucking family.
This is my fucking house.
You're not going to kick me outof my own fucking house.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
And she the whatever the thing was emphasized.
She's like I'm going to killyour son, your daughter and your
husband.
My mom said in the dream shegot pissed off.
She didn't.
She grabbed the lady, pinnedher to the wall by the throat
and said you're not gonnafucking kill anybody.
If anybody's gonna fucking killanyone, I'm gonna fucking kill
you.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
You're not gonna touch my kids you're not gonna
touch my husband.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
And this thing had fear in its eyes and fucking
shape-shifted into a little girlto get sympathy.
She shared it with me, like assoon as she woke up the next day
.
You could either go two ways.
You know, there's a demonicthing there.
There's a demon in there thatlikes to shapeshift and, you
(43:40):
know, put itself forward as thisfrail, like images of old women
, little kids.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Little sailor boys.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Yeah, or there's multiple things there bound by
this one strong evil thing.
And, as I'm telling you this,if you notice, I keep looking
over to my doorway because itjust feels creepy yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
I can't imagine.
Oh gosh, that's such a story.
Oh gosh, that's such a story.
Oh, did you ever get any moredetails about the, the germans
who lived there, who practicedsatanism or?
Speaker 3 (44:17):
something allegedly.
The only thing that I know wasthat they found like old, like
world war ii, memorabilia fromthe axis side your family found
that in the house yeah, yeah,because when they sold the house
, like the people that sold it Iguess it was the kids of the
former owner they just sold itas is and they were like bye,
(44:37):
everything was left there,everything in the attic.
And I think the bad thing is ismy aunt kept some of the
furniture downstairs and that'slike a big no-no.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Some of like the china cabinet and the dining
table.
You'd think those things wouldbe harmless, but oh no, who
wants to haunt a table?
I guess they really like thattable.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Foodies.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
That's where they strap their victims to.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Oh.
And then you're eating off ofit the very fact that there was
nazi paraphernalia in the house.
Yeah, there's just so muchnegative energy with that alone,
right?
Did your parents find a way toget rid of that, or did they
just like put it in a box andpretend it wasn't there?
Speaker 3 (45:25):
since my aunt and uncle were technically the
owners of the home.
I'm not sure what they did withit.
I think they eventually tossedit, but whatever was there was
already bound to it, becausethere have been incidents that
has happened in that home postus leaving oh, like where you
know police have been involvedand all this other stuff, and I
get this information firsthandfrom my cousin that lives across
(45:47):
the street you can seeeverything going on.
And yeah it's one of thosethings where I don't know what
it is.
I don't want to know and Ialways say to anyone listening
to my story please debunk it.
I'd rather there be ascientific explanation for
everything as opposed to thatbeing real my last story I have
(46:11):
from that house.
I do have other things thathappened to me recently.
The last thing that happened tome in that house, I would hear
my name being called and itwould be my mom's voice.
It would be my dad's voice, myaunt, my uncle.
There was one instance where mymy name was called and my mom
(46:36):
heard it in her voice.
She heard it.
I knew she was in the kitchen.
So I go out of my room and Istart walking there and she's
like don't answer it.
You never answer that stuff.
It's the dead calling.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
You do not answer it's the dead calling you.
She was so confident she, shejust like flat out, this is how
it is yeah, I don't think anyoneelse other than my mom and
myself.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
I've never asked my sister if she heard it in that
house.
We fast forward to.
It was maybe the fall of 07, 06.
So shortly before we're movingout the way my schedule was as a
high schooler at the time likeI had a very short schedule
because you know your lastcouple of years of high school
you've done all your classes.
All you have is like threelunch periods and a gym class.
(47:25):
Why am I even here?
So I get home like around 1130in the morning, right, I go to
my room, turn on my computer,then I turn on my Xbox.
I'm sitting there, I'mcompletely home alone.
Then I hear my mom's voicecalling me.
I'm like hmm, that's odd.
I ignore it.
(47:45):
Did as she said before, don'tpay mind to.
It Happens again.
I'm like what the fuck?
So I pick up my phone.
I call my mom.
My mom works in Manhattan.
I can hear the people aroundher.
I can hear the wind, becauseManhattan was always windy, and
she's like hey, is everythingokay?
I'm at work, I'm not going tobe home till about four o'clock.
(48:08):
Like what's going on?
And I was like I'm just makingsure you didn't come home early.
She's like no, why, what'sgoing on?
I told her what happened andshe's like you know what to do.
Just ignore it.
I'll be home when I can Closeyour room door if you have to.
I hang up the phone.
I'm like okay, whatever, I justcontinue doing what I'm doing.
(48:28):
I hear the voice call me twomore times Chris, chris and I'm
like I mumble under my breathLike just leave me the fuck
alone.
There was a door that was open,that separated the dining room
and the kitchen.
No windows were open.
There was no draft in the house.
That fucking thing like like,does a heavy ass like it slams
(48:53):
shut and I'm like fuck this.
Like all the hair on my bodystood up, yeah, and I I just sat
there in fear, I closed my roomdoor and I just laid in my bed
until somebody came.
Somebody came home and then Itold my parents I don't want to
live here anymore.
I can't do this anymore.
(49:15):
And for the long time, frommaybe age 12 to that point, I
was an atheist because I was biginto history still big into
history.
I went to school for history.
I wanted to be a historyprofessor and reading through
historical texts, you comeacross situations where you
question your faith in God.
(49:35):
That situation happens and Isit there and I think to myself
if there is something evil here,there has to be a counter to it
, there has to be something good.
And that's how I got back intoCatholicism.
I'm not going to say I'm thegreatest Catholic.
I try to go to church.
But when it comes to stuff likethis, like yeah, I take it
(49:58):
seriously.
So that kind of gave me not anudge back into my faith, but a
good kick in the ass.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
I have a quick question Okay, horror house
trope here.
I have a quick question Okay,horror house trope here.
Did you get this house for agreat deal, or did your aunt get
it for a great deal?
Because I always wonder aboutthis.
Was it on sale?
Speaker 3 (50:19):
It probably was to be honest with you.
It was a nice area.
Now I have to ask the wholeNazi parap paraphernalia thing
that is 100 like they found it.
They refused to show it to us.
They're like no, you're notgonna go upstairs and dick
around with this stuff.
They found the old german bible.
(50:39):
I think it was either a vermontor a waffen ss uh uniform that
was up there.
It had to have been somebodythat escaped before the allies
took over or, you know, kind ofsnuck away.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Chris, this has been an amazing interview.
Thank you so much for sharingyour stories with us.
I think we're going to have totalk to you about having a
return on our show at some point, Chris.
This has been wonderful.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
Thank you, Chris.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you both.
Is your podcast just availableon podcatchers?
This is also available onyoutube.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Where can people find it?
So you can find the wanderingroad.
We're available on apple,spotify, all your podcast
platforms.
We have a youtube channel.
If you search the wanderingroad.
We post our podcast there aswell.
We're also on social media.
You can reach us on Instagramat TWRoadPodcast.
We're on Twitter I'll nevercall it X At TWRoadPodcast and
(51:52):
we are also on facebook.
If you search the wanderingroad, you can like our page, and
where I'm most active it it'stiktok.
So if you search at twr podcast, you can find us there.
And if you want to be a gueston the show or if you have
stories or just want to suggesta topic, you can reach us via
our email address oftwroadpodcastgmailcom.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Okay, and we'll have all that information in our show
notes and in the descriptionbelow this episode as well.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Painted Loves.
What do you think If you heardthese footsteps moving across
the floor at night from thequarters of a potential Nazi
sympathizer calling your name?
What would you do?
I think I'd have a spooky day.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Homespun Haints is hosted by Becky Kilimnik and
Diana Doty and produced byHomespun Haints Media LLC.
Editing and music by BeckyKilimnik.
Show notes by Diana Doty.
If you have a ghost story andyou'd like to be considered as a
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Slash submit.
New York is known for many things A fast-paced
demeanor, an incredible artscene and the ability to get a
great slice of pizza at four inthe morning.
But for one family, their newhouse in a swanky Queens
neighborhood meant one thingabove all else evil spirits.
(00:25):
Was this family tormented bydeceased former residents of
their home, or were evil occultNazi practices at play?
You decide today on HomespunHaints.
Hello, hainted Loves, welcometo Homespun Haints.
(00:47):
I am Becky.
Hi, I'm Diana.
Today on the show we have Chrisfrom the Wandering Road podcast
.
We're so excited to talk to him.
He approached us.
He knows JJ, who you heard froma few episodes ago, and we are
actually going to be on theWandering Road podcast this week
(01:07):
, on this Friday.
So if you're listening to thisepisode as it comes out, make
sure you go check out theWandering Road podcast so you
can hear me and Diana at all ofour glory.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Crossovers, crossovers.
Everybody loves a crossoverepisode, don't they?
Well, becky, luckily I sawsomething yesterday.
Answers an age-old questionthat you've had for me in the
past, and you've asked me thismultiple times, and both times I
had to guesstimate because Ihadn't actually gotten any
metrics yet.
So yesterday I was able togather data and interpret
(01:42):
metrics to answer your questionwith perfect accuracy, and the
answer is six minutes Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I don't know what question I would have asked.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
That's how long it takes for Aldabra tortoises to
fuck.
Don't you remember asking methat?
And I didn't know.
I was all impressed with myself.
And then you asked me the onequestion.
I didn't know timing.
I don't pay attention to timing.
There are tortoises fucking.
I'm having too much funwatching.
Oh, when you were at the zoo,yes, I was at the zoo, yeah, and
(02:11):
yesterday I went back and Ihung out right in the tortoise
pen and it's springtime.
One of the tortoises one of thebig tortoises was following one
of the little tortoises aroundfor a long time.
I following one of the littletortoises around for a long time
.
I was watching him chase her,and then another tortoise cut in
line and totally, totally tookit for himself.
Was the female tortoiseconsenting to this act.
(02:34):
I don't know how to defineconsent when it's a tortoise.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I mean, was she trying to move away?
Or she was like, ah, enjoyingherself.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
She was walking slowly, while they were engaged
in the coital activity.
So, I'm assuming she was tryingto get away, but tortoises
don't do anything very fast.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Okay, it took them six minutes Six minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
For the entire event.
I pulled out my video camerafor you.
Becky.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
So now you have a video of this.
Oh no, Are we going to?
Are we going to share it here?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Absolutely.
Would you like to see it rightnow?
I would Let me text it to you.
The best part of this was itwas like a total operation, like
70s porn operation, becauseAmber was filming from a
different angle.
So we actually have multiplecamera angle views that we can
edit together into aprofessional video of this if we
want to.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well, how do you know for sure that he finished he?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
stopped groaning.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
He was groaning.
Yeah Well, we won't play theentire clip here, Hainted Loves,
because that would just beterrible.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
You'll have to go to the show notes for that if you
want the entire clip.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
But here's a snippet for your viewing pleasure.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I don't know.
Snippet just sounds like tooappropriate of a term for what
we're about to see.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Okay let's watch this thing.
Oh my god, he is crowding.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Oh wow, and if you zoom in, he's also regurgitating
a bunch of chewed up grass.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Oh my god, gross Sexy .
Oh, she is not enjoying that atall.
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
She's like.
I wasn't expecting aregurgitation.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
That's a surprise, oh no, oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
The groaning is quite oh my god.
Well, you know so.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
The groaning is quite impressive, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Sadly, there were no children at the time that
required an explanation of thebehavior, so we didn't get to
talk about it but there weresome other adults there laughing
at me.
Oh my god, you'll get to hearit later in the video, I guess.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Why is he throwing up Gross Hard work?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
This guy's like 120 years old and weighs at least
300 pounds.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
He's just like whatever, Do not get me knocked
up, you dumbass.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Oh no, they're going for that.
They've got one of the mostsuccessful Aldabra turtle
breeding programs in anycaptivity in the United States.
Yeah, I can see why.
I can see why there's a lot ofcompetition.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Did they like spray her with aphrodisiacs or
something?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Something happened because those turtles were
following her in a line.
But here's the thing the guywho cut in line and got his the
other guy.
He literally watched and thenturned around and sighed and a
single wet tear dribbled fromhis little reptile eye.
(05:56):
I'm not kidding, I'm notkidding.
He sighed and cried when helost his turn in line.
I felt bad for that guy.
He was not having a good day.
I feel bad for the female.
Oh no, wait here.
Here's the ultimate kicker.
If she really wanted to say no,guess what?
The part of her shell rightover her backside touches the
(06:18):
ground.
Oh.
So if she wanted to cut him off, she could quite literally cut
him off okay that's a hard shelland that's a lot of concrete.
So whoa, okay, all right, so itwas.
It was at least consensual tothat degree, oh my god, whoa.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Okay, I can't unsee that that was.
Do you have any?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
other questions now that I've answered your burning
question of how long do theyfuck?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I'm at a loss for words.
Excellent, I talk about beingin the right place at the right
time it is.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It is uh fortunate because, like I said, six
minutes out of who knows howmany years since he's been able
to find a female.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I mean, they, they move really slow wow, okay, so
she's gonna have little bibbids,little eggs.
What kind of turtle is thisagain?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
A labra turtle, aldabra A-L-D-A-B-R-A.
So yes, I have sent you theirprofessional headshots that are
on display at the zoo so you canidentify who was fucking who
and who was left out.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Have I really asked you how long it takes for them
to fuck?
Has that actually been aquestion I've asked you?
Are you just saying that forshow business purpose?
Really, yes, what is wrong with?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
me.
Nothing that's not wrong withme, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Okay, okay, well, chris, you are welcome.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
And while Becky's lost for words, chris is not.
Our next guest is coming on.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
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(10:15):
Today on the show we have Chrisfrom the Wandering Road podcast
.
He is co-host with his buddyDean.
(10:35):
They explore topics verysimilar to our own.
They circle around theparanormal.
They talk to other very, veryinteresting guests.
I am so excited to talk toChris today about aliens.
So, among other things, welcometo the show, chris.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Thank you, Becky.
Thank you, Diana for having meon the show.
I know I reached out to youguys on such short notice
because you guys had my buddy JJon.
He is amazing.
Love you, JJ, he was a delight.
I know I reached out to youguys on such short notice
because you guys had my buddy JJon.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
He is amazing.
Love you, JJ.
He was a delight.
So how do you and JJ know eachother?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Well, when I first started the podcast, it was
probably a little over two yearsnow.
Okay, I randomly reached out tohim on.
I think it was like podcastguests or whatever that website
is.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
That's where I found him.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I saw Southern Demonology and I'm like, oh,
that sounds really interesting,let's see what this guy has to
say.
And the thing that like keyedme in was japanese ghosts and
demons and I'm like, okay, thatsounds good for a specialized
episode.
So I reached out to jj, had himon the show.
It went so great.
Then we went on his show.
(11:47):
It was for me to share mystories Completely awesome.
Then we became friends onsocial media, tiktok friends,
and we just kept sending eachother memes back and forth and
we've just been good friendsever since.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Have you met in person.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Not yet.
We plan to do that.
We're not that far from eachother.
I'm in Western Pennsylvania andI think he's like in Northern
Virginia.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, yeah, you guys are pretty close, post-pandemic
adult relationships no longerdepend on physical proximity at
all.
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
My husband always gives me a hard time whenever
Diana and I plan to meetsomebody that we've met through
the podcast in person, and it'salways some remote, haunted,
middle of nowhere location andhe's like, wait a minute, you do
just know these people throughthe internet, right, and you're
going to be driving to wherethere's no cell phone reception
and the lights are out and I'mlike, oh, you put it that way.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yes, as we hunt for ghosts until 4 am in the woods
in the dark.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
You do get to know people very, very well these
days through these onlinechannels and through podcasting.
I mean, once you have thesevery intimate conversations
about very intense topics, whenyou think about it, exploring
the unknown, then you really doget to know people.
So what part of you saidWestern Pennsylvania?
How close are you to Pittsburgh?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I'm a little bit outside of Pittsburgh.
Okay, so you are in theAppalachians technically, yeah,
yeah, you could say that.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I love it because they're haunted and creepy.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
What inspired you to start the wandering road.
The reason I started thepodcast is because, bless my
wife, I've just randomly talkedto her about these things that
come into my head I talk to myfriends about it, talk to my
in-laws and it's you know, yourun into people that are like,
okay, that's nice, I reallydon't want to talk about this
(13:43):
because I don't have an interestin it.
So my wife, will be sittingthere listening to me and I'm
also I don't want to say veryopinionated, but I just, like
you, see all these podcasts outthere and I'm not trying to
throw shade at anyone or anyonein particular, but, like they
(14:05):
throw their opinions out in theether and some of it is like
what are you talking about?
And you actually get paid tosay this.
So, so I was like okay, I havecertain opinions, I enjoy
talking about certain topics,let's give this a try.
And it started off kind of likea middle ground type of thing
(14:30):
where I take a particular topicthat's where the wandering road
came from where I didn't havelike a specific topic, like each
week it would be different.
So my first, first episode thatI ever did was about the
hogwarts stuff, like the videogame.
Everyone was complaining aboutit, like if you play it, you
support JK Rowling.
It's like no, not really, Idon't, I don't care for her, but
(14:52):
I like the Harry Potteruniverse type of thing.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Trying to be objective as possible, Right,
separate the art from the artist.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
And then my third episode is when I had my cousin
on to talk about his paranormalexperiences and I was like this
was really fun, this was reallyfun to talk about, it was really
creepy.
And then I did some solo creepyepisodes.
I started with La Llorona andthat's where it kind of branched
out from there.
Then I brought Dean on for anepisode and I was like dude, we
(15:24):
actually really vibe pretty well.
Doing this solo is very hardbecause you have to write out a
freaking manuscript before youeven start recording.
So I was like do you want tocome on permanently as a host?
And he's like yeah, absolutely.
He's like I actually wanted tostart a podcast with my wife but
we never had time.
So he was ready with equipmentand everything.
(15:45):
So like okay, let's, let's getthis going and then we just we
talk about AI, we talk aboutaliens, we talk about the
paranormal demons, cryptids,whatever strange thing you could
think of.
We try to tackle and give ouropinion on and try to find
examples to talk about.
But I think the most favoritething that I do with my podcast
(16:09):
is that I try to create like aparanormal safe space therapy
type of session, because I'msure you've guys experienced
this as well.
When you talk to certain peopleabout this, but for whatever
particular reason, whether it betheir religious beliefs, you
know they just box themselvesinto their own reality right
they're uncomfortable talkingabout it or they're ashamed to
(16:31):
talk about it, and I was likeyou know what?
what the hell?
Let's bring people on, shareyour stories.
You're not going to be judged,because I went through stuff
myself, so I know what it feelslike to not be believed.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
So you mentioned that you have your own experiences.
What stories would you like toshare with us?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
So I can start with the alien one first, to fit your
theme.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Hell yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
It's not as great as it sounds.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
What.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Don't say that I'm sure it's not as great as it
sounds what Don't say that I'msure it's not.
It was one of those things whereit's like was it aliens, was it
a spotlight, was it ahelicopter?
I'm leaning more towardssomething alien-y, and the
reason I say that is I grew upin New York, so I was born and
raised in the Bronx, but weended up moving to Queens and
(17:20):
that's relevant to the storiesI'll share later when I was
about nine years old.
So I remember this.
One time we were coming backfrom a trip from Manhattan, we
took the train and we took the Atrain specifically, we got off
at Lefferts Boulevard and whenwe got off of the train, we got
off at Lefferts Boulevard andwhen we got off of the train, we
(17:43):
start walking home.
It's about 1030 at night, sothis was probably maybe 2003,
2004 ish, and we noticed thislight.
Like when we'd stop, it wouldstop.
When we walk, it would walk.
And I remember my sister was inthe stroller and my mom, like
I'm walking beside my mom andshe looks a little concerned,
(18:03):
and I'm like mom, is that, isthat the police, is that a
spotlight or something?
And she didn't know what totell me.
So we just kept going, we justbeelined it to home and the
entire time.
This light is following us andit eventually like we got to our
home and we got inside, lookedout the window not there anymore
(18:27):
how high up in the sky was itwhen you say it followed you?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
was it like eye height on the sidewalk behind
you, or was it like way up inthe sky?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
it was like way up in the sky, and the more more I
think about it, the more Irealize this is not an airplane,
this is not a helicopter.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
You would have heard a helicopter.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah, it was like a single light, like a single
white light With a helicopter.
You'd hear the rotors, You'dsee the green and red flashing
lights.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Right, of course.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Same thing with an airplane You'd hear their
loud-ass engines.
It's not, and I live near JFKAirport, so there's a lot of air
traffic coming back and forththrough the area and you know
what it sounds like.
This had no sound.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
This is also before drones were really a thing too.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, You're talking early 2000s.
So if there were drones theywere probably really expensive
and no one in my area would havehad that.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
And you would have still been able to hear
something.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Right yeah, some sort of motor or something of that
sort.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
When you completed the journey and you got home and
it turned out that it wasn'tthere anymore, did you feel like
it had any deeper meaning orthat it maybe was a threat to
you or interacting with you insome way?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
not necessarily um.
The only reason I was concernedwas because my mom was
concerned.
I thought it was cool.
I was like 12 years old at thetime 12 13 so at that age I'm
like, oh, that looks really neatin the sky, and my mom's like
we need to get the fuck home,right?
I don't want to stick around tofind out you know what's going
(20:04):
on, because you're talking abouta lady that has her like tween
son and her daughter in thestroller, who's maybe would have
been, I don't know, five yearsold at the time.
She's like I don't, I don'twant to deal with this, I just
want to get home.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You said that was a UFO story, but do you have ghost
stories as well?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Oh, plenty, so I'll start from the beginning.
So, like I said, born andraised in New York in the Bronx,
ended up moving to Queens.
So the first thing that I canspecifically remember comes
while I was still living in theBronx.
I was probably maybe five yearsold at the time between ages
(20:51):
four to six and I know it'saround that time because my
sister was just born so it hadto be between like five and six
years old.
If you guys have seen what NewYork apartments look like, the
rooms are very big in such asmall area.
At the same time, the one bigbedroom where I stayed in with
(21:11):
my parents there was one bigwindow and all of our beds were
situated to the right side ofthe room, against the wall, and
I had this little Batman car bed.
Yes, and it was pressed upagainst the wall.
So when I would wake up and Iwould turn, my parents' dresser
(21:32):
was right there.
You had the TV, so thefurniture was all the way on the
other side.
So I wake up it was aroundabout 3 am.
I look over and there's thesedwarf looking type of things.
What, yeah, in in othercultures, like hispanic culture,
(21:53):
they call them duendes.
So I didn't know what it was atthe time and it wasn't until
recently throughout doing mypodcast.
I'm like, hmm, this kind ofsounds like dwen days.
There was about six or seven ofthem there and I'm just looking
at them.
I can't make out any featuresor anything.
But one thing I specificallyremember is that I started
(22:18):
yelling at them.
So picture a little kid atthree in the morning yelling at
them, telling, telling them like, why are you here?
You don't belong in here, youneed to get out now get out of
my batmobile, yeah yeah, yeah,yeah, don't do not.
No, this is my batmobile.
Get away from it nice so my momwakes up and she tells me in
(22:40):
Spanish basically she reprimandsme in Spanish, saying like what
the fuck are you doing?
Why are you awake?
Why are you screaming?
And then I told her what I saw.
She looks over and obviously Ilook over and they're not there
anymore, of course.
So I'm like, okay, whatever, Igo to bed, fast forward about 30
(23:05):
years, 25 years.
When I was visiting my parentsin florida this past late august
, september, um, me and my wife,we went down there for our
third wedding anniversary.
I was talking to my mom and I'mlike mom, you remember that one
time I did that?
And she's like yeah, that's notthe only time that happened.
She's like one time I had tosleep in the bed with you
because you said you were scaredthey were going to get you.
(23:27):
One time she was feeding mysister at this around that time,
two, three o'clock in themorning, and she came to get me
because I was so terrified.
I don't have any memory of that.
The only memory I have is ofthe one time when I'm yelling at
them and she's like no, thishas happened multiple times.
(23:48):
So that starts my paranormaljourney being tormented as a
child.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
By duendes by duendes .
Did your mom when she told youabout the other instances?
Did she say what you describedin those instances?
Did you ever describe thecreatures to her?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah, she said she's seen them before too, oh.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, just the little shadows.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
So my mom is super Catholic, so she's not really
afraid of anything.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, I get it For her.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So if something bothers your kid, you go into
mama bear mode.
You're like okay, what, what'sfucking with my kid?
Because I'm gonna kick your ass.
Like don't mess with my kid,and that's how my mom always was
, both physically and with theparanormal did your mom also
think they were duende?
She never really named it, butshe just kind of validated what
(24:42):
I saw.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
She was more focused on you know, making sure her
kids were okay, as opposed to,you know, trying to figure out
what it is, because she kind ofhas the mentality is like, okay,
I'll deal with it as it comes,but I'm not going to actively
try to learn about it.
If that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Did these things appear only in that this was the
queen's apartment right?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
the bronx apartment they only appeared in the bronx.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I only saw them there okay, so it's not like they
followed you around.
Maybe they were just attachedto that building somehow.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, I wish they did , Because I'd rather deal with
them than what we dealt with inQueens.
Uh-oh yeah, and what'sinteresting is that the whole
Queens situation kind of camefull circle when I started my
podcast.
Kind of came full circle when Istarted my podcast because
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almost everybody in thehousehold has.
Now that we haven't been theresince 2007, 2008.
Now people are more comfortabletalking about it, but we do it
in a joking manner because it'slike I'm not going to be down
depressed or something like that, because you can't do anything
about it now it's whatever, thenew owner's problem.
So in 1999, we moved to Queens.
(26:06):
We moved to a two family home.
So my parents and myself and mysister, we ended up living
upstairs, and my aunt, uncle andcousin they ended up living
downstairs.
We move into the house.
When we were early into themove, my mom had to go to work.
I went to school and my auntcame to babysit my younger
(26:28):
sister.
My mom comes back from work andmy aunt tells my mom, you have
visitors in this home and mymom's like what are you talking
about?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Did somebody?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
come over while we were mom's.
Like what are you talking about?
Did somebody come over while wewere gone?
Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Not that kind of visitors.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
No, she's like you have visitors in this home.
Yeah, and I'll preface bysaying that my mom can hear and
see things.
She has eight other siblings.
They can all do it as well, butthey don't really talk about it
.
The most common thing thatwould happen when we moved in
early on I remember my aunt hadthis stereo system, like with
(27:09):
the whole big speakers from likethe 1980s right.
So we move in, they have it.
So when you walk through thefront door, immediately to the
left is the door to their partof the house and then for us you
would go straight through alittle hallway up the stairs and
you hang a left and our door isright there Between the steps
(27:39):
and that apartment there's likea little walkway to the left and
goes around the steps that goin.
That goes into the basement.
So I remember when I was ninethey had the stereo system set
up.
Nobody was home downstairs, itwas me and my mom and my sister.
The stereo system would justturn on by itself I went
downstairs and I turn it off.
(28:00):
I look around the place no one'shome and I'm like, okay, it's
old, it's from the mid 80s,whatever.
We're almost in the year 2000.
There's something electricalgoing on.
Go back upstairs, happens again.
I'm like, okay, you know what,I'm going to unplug it.
Unplug it, whatever.
(28:21):
Go back upstairs again.
Turns on, again unplugged well,well well so I'm like, okay,
this is weird.
And and the odd thing is is thatI wasn't the only one that
experienced this, that heardthis, my mom heard it, my sister
heard it.
That wasn't the only isolatedincident where we unplugged it
(28:43):
and it turned on by itself.
My cousin dealt with thisbefore he told his parents, like
look, this thing is turning onby itself.
I didn't turn it on, andthey're like you know what?
Whatever, we'll go get a newone.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
They get a new one.
They get a new setup.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
The fucking thing still turns on by itself.
That goes like music.
It would go full blast, likefull blast.
You could turn it off with theknob fully down and it would be
full blast.
I'd be sitting upstairs in myliving room and it would scare
the shit out of me.
I'm like what the fuck is that?
So not only do we have thatwhen we move, then the footsteps
in the attic.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Ooh.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Every day you would hear back and forth like heavy
stomps, like someone had bootson stomping back and forth, back
and forth the whole length ofthe attic.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Oh, so like from one side of the house all the way to
the other.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Mm, hmm, that's the attic stuff.
My parents, my dad specifically,and my uncle, tried to say it
was pigeons and squirrels, andI'm like pigeons don't have
Timberland boots on and I'm likepigeons don't have Timberland
boots on, so there's no fuckingway that it's pigeons and
squirrels stomping in the attic.
(30:05):
That sounds a little silly as akid.
At the time you accepted theexplanation of the adults.
I'm not going to argue with youbecause I don't know what the
hell I'm talking about.
I trust you because you're anadult.
You're my parents, you're myaunt, you're my uncle.
So we left it alone.
Sporadically.
(30:26):
You would be sitting in theliving room by yourself.
You would hear footsteps in thehallway.
You would hear footsteps in ourhouse proper, like in our
apartment proper, just walking.
If you were by yourself, itamplified, but as soon as the
lights went out, you would hearfootsteps walking back and forth
(30:46):
.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
And everybody heard this.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yep, my mom is a very light sleeper and she would
hear this stuff all the time.
Other things that would happenis like we'd be sitting there.
This happened frequentlybetween 6 pm and 8 pm every day
after school.
I don't know why, but we wouldhear three knocks on our door.
(31:10):
Me as a little 11 year old kidmy dumb ass.
I'm like, oh shit, my cousin'shere, like we're gonna go play
playstation or something.
I open the door.
No one's there.
I'm like, okay, whateverhappens again.
I open the door.
No one's there.
This happens frequently forlike weeks on end.
My dad's sitting there watchinglike nbc news, like forcing us
(31:33):
to watch it.
I don't really give a crap thenone day it happens again and I
was gonna get up and go answerthe door and he was like no, I'm
gonna go answer it, just tomake sure it's not your cousin
dicking around trying to prankus, because my cousin is like
maybe five, six years older thanme.
So my dad goes, opens the doorand he never believed me when I
(31:54):
said there was no one there.
Here's a knock, opens the door.
There's nobody there.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
We go downstairs.
We both go downstairs.
There's nobody home.
My cousin's out with hisfriends.
My uncle worked at a schoolovernight so he wasn't there,
and my aunt and my mom worked inManhattan.
They weren't home because theyusually came home at the same
time, because they had to take.
They took the same train, sohe's like, okay, no one there.
(32:23):
I don't know what it is theother thing that would happen to
me in that house.
This only happened once, butit's still terrifying to me this
day.
I was maybe 12 years old at thetime and I got up around four
in the morning because I reallyhad to use the bathroom.
I get up, I walk to my roomdoor and I hear this growl Think
(32:50):
of the beast from Beauty andthe Beast this guttural growl.
I freeze, I don't know what'sout there.
I'm terrified.
I go back into bed and I justlay there in fear for hours
(33:11):
until the sun comes up.
I never liked being alone inthat house.
I always felt like somethingwas watching me.
I wasn't the only one that hada nighttime experience like that
okay, okay my cousin who liveddownstairs.
He woke up one night aroundthree in the morning, needed to
(33:31):
use the restroom.
He got to his door and he sawthis light going from the
bathroom down to the basement.
Bathroom, down to the basement.
There was nobody awake, nofootsteps, no, nothing.
He said he just sat in his bed,stared at the bottom of the
(33:53):
door and just watched this lightgo back and forth for hours
until the sun came up.
You know, like remembering allof this stuff, like yeah, I joke
about it and it's just it makesme really uncomfortable,
because anytime I talk aboutthis place it feels like
(34:13):
whatever is there knows you'retalking about it.
So we had the footsteps in theattic, we have the knocking on
the door, you have the footstepsgoing through the living room.
There were instances where myaunt would be home alone
downstairs and she would hearsomeone stomping in my room oh,
that's, scary just stomping,running back and forth like just
(34:36):
going ham like a teenager on ondrugs or something could that
have been what growled?
At you potentially so.
Yeah, I remember one time shecame upstairs like screaming
she's like it's like nineo'clock at night I'm trying to
sleep and we were all in theliving room watching a movie.
Fast forward to the summer ofthis is probably 0506 to the
summer of this was probably 05,06.
(34:58):
My dad's sister had come tolive with us so she ended up
staying upstairs with us.
I laugh at it now.
Picture this you walk into theapartment.
As soon as you get in, there'sthe dining room.
To the left is the living room.
You go directly to the right,there's a door.
You open the door, it bringsyou into the kitchen.
(35:20):
You walk eight feet and ittakes you to this kind of
squarish hallway.
If you go down the hallway,take an immediate left is the
entrance to the bathroom, anddirectly across from the
bathroom is the entrance to thecloset and there's probably a
good I want to say six and ahalf, seven feet between those
(35:42):
two doors.
So I'm standing in the kitchen,my mom is standing in the
kitchen, my sister is standingin my room doorway.
My aunt walks out of myparents' room, turns to go into
the bathroom, opens the stepsone foot inside and then gets
flung into the closet door whoalike she stepped on a landmine.
(36:07):
Yeah, right I can remember itclear as day.
That's something that's beenburnt into my mind forever.
Like she gets shoved, she letsout a little yelp, slams into
the door and my mom to try todiffuse the situation because
she has a teenager and a younggirl.
She's like, oh, I guess theghost had to use the bathroom.
(36:29):
I talked to my aunt about it.
I'm like, yeah, you rememberthat.
She's like oh, how can I forget?
and she's like that thing hatedme oh she was a devout christian
and that thing hated mygrandmother because my
grandmother on my indian, on my,my dad's side, my dad's indian
and my grandmother was a devouthindu and she would wake up
(36:51):
every day before sunrise to pray.
There were times where, aftermy grandfather passed away,
something would take a cup ofwater and toss it in her face
while she's sleeping.
Oh, which she confided into mymom a little bit before she
passed away, and she said thatthey don't let me sleep, the
voices don't let me sleep.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
The voices.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
She'd be like in a dead sleep and something would
scream in her face.
These things would push her.
There was one time my sistersaw her actually get pushed,
like she was just standing stilland, you see, like something
nudges her over and she falls.
Oh my gosh, yeah.
So there were instances whereit got violent.
(37:32):
For some reason, it never gotviolent with me, it never showed
itself to me.
It would never show itself tothe men that lived in the
household.
It was only the women.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Was it women or was it people who were very strong
believers in their faith?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
My mom like being very Catholic.
Yeah, it would make itselfknown.
I think it would make itselfknown, like you said, dianaiana,
to people that were strongbelievers.
Because my dad, even though hewas a strong believer at the
time, it's like he's workinglike a manual labor job, like
all the time he doesn't havetime to process this stuff.
(38:09):
Same with my uncle and mycousin being a teen, like he's
never home, he's like out withhis girlfriend and friends and
stuff like that.
So they would be the ones thatwere most affected.
So jj thinks it's demonic thegrowl yeah.
Yeah, jj thinks something thereis demonic and I will share that
(38:29):
.
I found out this informationlate last year that prior to
moving into the home there weretwo older German ladies that
live across the street.
Never told anyone this.
They introduced themselvesbecause they saw they were
(38:49):
moving in.
They said to my aunt you haveto bless that home before you
move in and after you move in,because the people there they
were German as well wereinvolved in some occult
practices.
They made the claim that somepoor girl was used for maybe
some satanic or nefariouspurposes oh my god I would think
(39:14):
if you're doing something likethat, you're opening a portal.
The claim is that this happenedin the same room that my mom
tried to bless and got choked inwait what yeah well, you, you
didn't go over that part yet no,no, I was trying to go in like
sequential order all right damnokay so the german ladies next
(39:39):
door said we just want to warnyou there was some nefarious
satanism going on there and youbetter bless the house when you
allegedly alleged satanism.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Okay, gotcha, gotcha and then so your mom followed
the advice.
She tried to bless the houseyeah.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
So my mom didn't do that until after her and my dad
actually signed closingdocuments to move.
This happened after I told myparents like look, I want to get
the fuck out of here, I don'twant to live here anymore.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
I was either a junior or senior in high school at
this point, oh, so you put upwith it for a few years.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yeah, and also because of my sister.
My sister had an imaginaryfriend named Andy.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Oh, that's not creepy at all.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
No, it was a kid that was dressed in a 1920s sailor
suit she described him.
Oh, dressed in a 1920s sailorsuit?
She described him.
Yeah, yeah, you know thosethings like to appear as
children.
Yep, my sister would walkaround holding his hand and one
time we were going to go to thestore down the street.
We get to the end of the streetand my mom's like is andy still
(40:45):
with you?
And she's like no, he's notallowed to leave this general
area.
He has to go back to the house.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Not allowed by who?
Speaker 3 (40:58):
She said that Andy's mom didn't allow him to leave a
specific area.
He wasn't allowed to go acrossthe street, leave a specific
area.
He wasn't allowed to go acrossthe street.
After we we decided to move mymom being catholic, she likes to
bless the house.
She had those little you everseen, those lantern thingies
they have in the catholic church, so she would get that.
(41:21):
She would put incense in it andshe'd light it and she'd go
around every room saying herprayer.
Whatever she does this upstairs,she does my room, her room, my
sister's kitchen, living room,dining room, everything's fine.
She goes downstairs, tells myuncle, like hey, I'm doing a
cleanse, is it okay?
Because my family downstairs.
(41:41):
They were Muslim.
So she always asked like okay,is it okay if I do this for you?
And my uncle's like you know, Idon't give a shit Like asked
like okay, is it okay if I dothis for you?
My uncle's like you know Idon't give a shit like like
you're, it's a prayer to god,you're fine.
So she does their living room,does their dining room, kitchen,
goes to my aunt's room, fine,goes to my cousin's room.
(42:03):
And this is where it getsfucking weird.
She started, you know, swingingit, you know, to get the
incense smoke.
Sure, started saying a prayer,atmosphere got really thick and
she felt something like chokingher To the point where she's
like I gotta get the fuck out ofthis room before I pass out
(42:26):
from being choked.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Fast forward to that night.
Night she has a dream that shewakes up.
She's still in her bed, theenvironment is the house in her
dream and in her doorway is thisold lady pointing at her,
yelling at her you're trying toget me out of my own fucking
house.
I'm gonna fucking kill you andyour fucking family.
This is my fucking house.
(42:48):
You're trying to get me out ofmy own fucking house.
I'm going to fucking kill youand your fucking family.
This is my fucking house.
You're not going to kick me outof my own fucking house.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
And she the whatever the thing was emphasized.
She's like I'm going to killyour son, your daughter and your
husband.
My mom said in the dream shegot pissed off.
She didn't.
She grabbed the lady, pinnedher to the wall by the throat
and said you're not gonnafucking kill anybody.
If anybody's gonna fucking killanyone, I'm gonna fucking kill
you.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
You're not gonna touch my kids you're not gonna
touch my husband.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
And this thing had fear in its eyes and fucking
shape-shifted into a little girlto get sympathy.
She shared it with me, like assoon as she woke up the next day
.
You could either go two ways.
You know, there's a demonicthing there.
There's a demon in there thatlikes to shapeshift and, you
(43:40):
know, put itself forward as thisfrail, like images of old women
, little kids.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Little sailor boys.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Yeah, or there's multiple things there bound by
this one strong evil thing.
And, as I'm telling you this,if you notice, I keep looking
over to my doorway because itjust feels creepy yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
I can't imagine.
Oh gosh, that's such a story.
Oh gosh, that's such a story.
Oh, did you ever get any moredetails about the, the germans
who lived there, who practicedsatanism or?
Speaker 3 (44:17):
something allegedly.
The only thing that I know wasthat they found like old, like
world war ii, memorabilia fromthe axis side your family found
that in the house yeah, yeah,because when they sold the house
, like the people that sold it Iguess it was the kids of the
former owner they just sold itas is and they were like bye,
(44:37):
everything was left there,everything in the attic.
And I think the bad thing is ismy aunt kept some of the
furniture downstairs and that'slike a big no-no.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Some of like the china cabinet and the dining
table.
You'd think those things wouldbe harmless, but oh no, who
wants to haunt a table?
I guess they really like thattable.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Foodies.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
That's where they strap their victims to.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Oh.
And then you're eating off ofit the very fact that there was
nazi paraphernalia in the house.
Yeah, there's just so muchnegative energy with that alone,
right?
Did your parents find a way toget rid of that, or did they
just like put it in a box andpretend it wasn't there?
Speaker 3 (45:25):
since my aunt and uncle were technically the
owners of the home.
I'm not sure what they did withit.
I think they eventually tossedit, but whatever was there was
already bound to it, becausethere have been incidents that
has happened in that home postus leaving oh, like where you
know police have been involvedand all this other stuff, and I
get this information firsthandfrom my cousin that lives across
(45:47):
the street you can seeeverything going on.
And yeah it's one of thosethings where I don't know what
it is.
I don't want to know and Ialways say to anyone listening
to my story please debunk it.
I'd rather there be ascientific explanation for
everything as opposed to thatbeing real my last story I have
(46:11):
from that house.
I do have other things thathappened to me recently.
The last thing that happened tome in that house, I would hear
my name being called and itwould be my mom's voice.
It would be my dad's voice, myaunt, my uncle.
There was one instance where mymy name was called and my mom
(46:36):
heard it in her voice.
She heard it.
I knew she was in the kitchen.
So I go out of my room and Istart walking there and she's
like don't answer it.
You never answer that stuff.
It's the dead calling.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
You do not answer it's the dead calling you.
She was so confident she, shejust like flat out, this is how
it is yeah, I don't think anyoneelse other than my mom and
myself.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
I've never asked my sister if she heard it in that
house.
We fast forward to.
It was maybe the fall of 07, 06.
So shortly before we're movingout the way my schedule was as a
high schooler at the time likeI had a very short schedule
because you know your lastcouple of years of high school
you've done all your classes.
All you have is like threelunch periods and a gym class.
(47:25):
Why am I even here?
So I get home like around 1130in the morning, right, I go to
my room, turn on my computer,then I turn on my Xbox.
I'm sitting there, I'mcompletely home alone.
Then I hear my mom's voicecalling me.
I'm like hmm, that's odd.
I ignore it.
(47:45):
Did as she said before, don'tpay mind to.
It Happens again.
I'm like what the fuck?
So I pick up my phone.
I call my mom.
My mom works in Manhattan.
I can hear the people aroundher.
I can hear the wind, becauseManhattan was always windy, and
she's like hey, is everythingokay?
I'm at work, I'm not going tobe home till about four o'clock.
(48:08):
Like what's going on?
And I was like I'm just makingsure you didn't come home early.
She's like no, why, what'sgoing on?
I told her what happened andshe's like you know what to do.
Just ignore it.
I'll be home when I can Closeyour room door if you have to.
I hang up the phone.
I'm like okay, whatever, I justcontinue doing what I'm doing.
(48:28):
I hear the voice call me twomore times Chris, chris and I'm
like I mumble under my breathLike just leave me the fuck
alone.
There was a door that was open,that separated the dining room
and the kitchen.
No windows were open.
There was no draft in the house.
That fucking thing like like,does a heavy ass like it slams
(48:53):
shut and I'm like fuck this.
Like all the hair on my bodystood up, yeah, and I I just sat
there in fear, I closed my roomdoor and I just laid in my bed
until somebody came.
Somebody came home and then Itold my parents I don't want to
live here anymore.
I can't do this anymore.
(49:15):
And for the long time, frommaybe age 12 to that point, I
was an atheist because I was biginto history still big into
history.
I went to school for history.
I wanted to be a historyprofessor and reading through
historical texts, you comeacross situations where you
question your faith in God.
(49:35):
That situation happens and Isit there and I think to myself
if there is something evil here,there has to be a counter to it
, there has to be something good.
And that's how I got back intoCatholicism.
I'm not going to say I'm thegreatest Catholic.
I try to go to church.
But when it comes to stuff likethis, like yeah, I take it
(49:58):
seriously.
So that kind of gave me not anudge back into my faith, but a
good kick in the ass.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
I have a quick question Okay, horror house
trope here.
I have a quick question Okay,horror house trope here.
Did you get this house for agreat deal, or did your aunt get
it for a great deal?
Because I always wonder aboutthis.
Was it on sale?
Speaker 3 (50:19):
It probably was to be honest with you.
It was a nice area.
Now I have to ask the wholeNazi parap paraphernalia thing
that is 100 like they found it.
They refused to show it to us.
They're like no, you're notgonna go upstairs and dick
around with this stuff.
They found the old german bible.
(50:39):
I think it was either a vermontor a waffen ss uh uniform that
was up there.
It had to have been somebodythat escaped before the allies
took over or, you know, kind ofsnuck away.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Chris, this has been an amazing interview.
Thank you so much for sharingyour stories with us.
I think we're going to have totalk to you about having a
return on our show at some point, Chris.
This has been wonderful.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
Thank you, Chris.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you both.
Is your podcast just availableon podcatchers?
This is also available onyoutube.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Where can people find it?
So you can find the wanderingroad.
We're available on apple,spotify, all your podcast
platforms.
We have a youtube channel.
If you search the wanderingroad.
We post our podcast there aswell.
We're also on social media.
You can reach us on Instagramat TWRoadPodcast.
We're on Twitter I'll nevercall it X At TWRoadPodcast and
(51:52):
we are also on facebook.
If you search the wanderingroad, you can like our page, and
where I'm most active it it'stiktok.
So if you search at twr podcast, you can find us there.
And if you want to be a gueston the show or if you have
stories or just want to suggesta topic, you can reach us via
our email address oftwroadpodcastgmailcom.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Okay, and we'll have all that information in our show
notes and in the descriptionbelow this episode as well.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Painted Loves.
What do you think If you heardthese footsteps moving across
the floor at night from thequarters of a potential Nazi
sympathizer calling your name?
What would you do?
I think I'd have a spooky day.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Homespun Haints is hosted by Becky Kilimnik and
Diana Doty and produced byHomespun Haints Media LLC.
Editing and music by BeckyKilimnik.
Show notes by Diana Doty.
If you have a ghost story andyou'd like to be considered as a
guest for this podcast, pleasevisit our website at
homespunhaintscom.
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