March 10, 2025 • 38 mins
What if your soul originated from somewhere beyond Earth? What if consciousness isn't limited to human experience? These are the questions artist and author Jordan Harcourt-Hughes has been exploring through her multifaceted creative practices.
Jordan of New South Wales, Australia, practices several distinct arts, including writing, metal sculpture, painting, installations, and creative workshops. She started with writing as a child, but abandoned it at 19 when words felt inadequate to express deeper truths. Part of what inspired this artistic blossoming were extreme out-of-body experiences, which led her to believe she may be an extraterrestrial or "star seed." Since then, she uses her artwork to connect with other-dimensional energies and frequencies. Nowadays, Jordan has come full circle: revisiting writing to explore the cosmic themes in her life. Perhaps it's no surprise, then that her novels star a metalsmith who tunes metal to other-world frequencies. As of this writing, Jordan just published the second novel in the series, "High Country."
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Becky (00:02):
What does it mean to be human?
Does being human mean you'reexclusively of this planet, or
does it mean you can also besomething else at the same time?
Every day, we discover more andmore about our universe and our
connections to it, and withevery new story about the world
around us, we realize weactually don't know anything at
all.
But that doesn't mean we can'tdig deeper on our own.
(00:24):
Our guest today has done justthat through her own art and has
learned how to tap intosomething beyond what we
typically experience with ourfive senses.
And, of course, she has someghost stories.
Let's hear from Jordan today onHomespun Haints.
Hello, hainted Loves, welcometo Homespun Haints.
(00:46):
I'm Becky, I'm Diana, and lookat us.
Every time we're on here welook completely different.
This is like the portfolio oflooks of Diana and Becky.
For me, I hate it when I wearlike blue or purple lipstick
because it makes my teeth lookyellow, but they're really
actually very white right now.
So just pretend that I'm azombie or something.
Diana (01:06):
I made homemade mouthwash for the first time ever and I
can't believe I didn't do itbefore because it's so
ridiculously easy and cheap.
It's like water, salt, bakingsoda and xylitol Delicious.
But then I got fancy and I waslike I could make this better
and I made an extract out ofchamomile and aloe and arnica,
(01:29):
but unfortunately it turned outbrown.
So I'm a little afraid to useit because I don't want my teeth
to turn brown.
So I was Googling, like whatcould I put in my mouthwash to
make it the opposite of yellowBleach?
And it's a hibiscus.
Becky (01:43):
Oh, hibiscus, the opposite of yellow is bleach.
Diana (01:44):
I thought the opposite of yellow bleach.
And it's a hibiscus.
Oh, the opposite of yellow isbleach.
I thought the opposite ofyellow was purple, because when
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tooth whitener.
That's actually just purple dyefor your teeth.
Yep, to make them a moreneutral shade of gray, I guess
Lovely, but, becky, you haveteeth that you grew yourself.
Becky (02:10):
I think you should be proud of this.
I grew these teeth myself.
No braces, no whitener thereyou go Very little oral care.
Yeah, I have them all, eventhough I grew up in Tennessee,
so you know we're doing goodhere.
I want to introduce our guest.
We have an amazing guest todaythat I think you guys are going
to love.
Her name is Jordan HarcourtHughes, and what she's going to
(02:36):
talk about today is a little bitof a departure from our spooky
ghost stories, but it's very,very spiritual and like into the
veil.
We're getting woo today.
We're getting woo.
But you know what the funnything is?
She's like I don't really havea lot of ghost stories.
And then she did.
She totally had ghost stories.
Diana (02:51):
Becky, when you first asked me if I had a ghost story,
I said no, and you see how manyI've told over the years.
Becky (02:56):
Exactly, yeah, everybody has one, you just have to like
coax it out.
Absolutely loved talking to her.
I know you guys are going toreally, really enjoy it.
You're going to enjoy it morethan I enjoyed trying to figure
out what to put on my lipsbefore this interview began.
So what happened was I grabbedthe wrong color.
(03:17):
I grabbed black.
Diana (03:19):
Terrible choice.
Becky (03:20):
It would have been fine.
So I put the black on, I messedit up and I ended up with a big
like side stash kind of thing,like it was like a half, and I
was like, oh no, so I'm likescrubbing it all off.
And then I have like littleblack streaks where it got,
because my lips aren't verymoist, I don't, you know, that
word really bothers some people.
It does.
Yes, maybe we should bleep itMoist, moist, moist, yeah, and
(03:43):
then.
So then I grabbed this purpleeyeliner because oh, that's
eyeliner Nice.
Diana (03:51):
Like high school, I don't use products where they're
supposed to be.
Why care about safety testingon specific body parts?
Becky (03:58):
I have a lot of recalled cosmetics.
I'm like what is your FDA?
Unapproval is a sale item forme.
Diana (04:06):
Again, don't take advice from an entertainment ghost
podcast.
Becky (04:10):
And when we open the homespun hates apothecary
selling Diana's brown mouthwash.
Diana (04:16):
And hate repellent spray.
Becky (04:18):
Hate repellent spray.
Yes, we need to get on that.
We can say you've been warned.
Diana (04:32):
Part of the reason I had to get dolled up and I wanted to
get dolled up in a veryinappropriate way was my son has
a chorus concert tonight.
That's fabulous.
So you wanted to wear offensivemakeup for other moms in the
pta.
They might not have enoughreasons to judge you yet, so why
not give them a couple more,okay, so?
Becky (04:42):
so here's the thing.
My daughter had a chorusconcert last week, and when I
left it I was shaking so hardwith rage that.
I could barely eat my taco.
I mean, it was a Tuesday, so Iwas eating a taco.
Diana (04:58):
Did they make her sing a bunch of like hardcore religious
songs?
Yep, that's my experience withchorus too.
It's not so much chorus, as itis choir here in oklahoma right.
Becky (05:07):
Well, they even called it choir in the program and I
thought it was a little weird.
So what this was was it was anintroduction to the high school
choir, as they called it.
So they had my daughter'smiddle school and the
neighboring middle school that'salso feeding into the high
school.
They had their choruses eachsing a couple songs and then
(05:27):
they had the high school choruscome up and I think there's like
seven or 12 different chorusesin this high school.
Diana (05:34):
Dang.
Becky (05:35):
I counted seven songs, seven songs about God, and it
wasn't like subtle, it wasn'tlike they were singing Handel's
Messiah right, and I'm like, I'mfine with Handel's Messiah,
that's fine.
These are beautiful classicalpieces of music that were
created because they wereactually commissioned by the
(05:57):
church, so of course theymentioned Deus Deus, deus, right
Makes sense.
Diana (06:02):
You kiss up to the boss, especially if the boss is the
church.
Becky (06:05):
These are modern songs and they weren't even like
subtle metaphors.
The funny part of this story Ihad had these like pickle chips
right before we went to this.
Have you ever had, have you had, chips flavored like pickles?
Diana (06:21):
I live in Oklahoma.
Of course I have.
Becky (06:26):
Oh, they're so good.
They're so good.
I got a Trader Joe's and Ibought these pickle chips and I
ate like the entire bag.
Well, my son and I we likepolished off the whole bag
before we went in Cause.
I was like, oh, they're so good.
And he's like, mom, these areso good.
But I bought them.
He's like gross.
I'm like, just try it.
He's like 11-year-old boy.
He could not get enough of them.
So I'm sitting there and in theaudience I'm watching this mess,
(06:49):
this craziness, go down, andthen I start getting distracted
by the smell of pickled potatoesthat has soaked into my skin
and my clothing and my hair andmy jacket from all the pickle
chips that I ate.
(07:09):
And I'm, like you know, doingthis.
During the performance and justas they finished and the
clapping and applause had dieddown between pieces, without
even thinking, in a loud voice,I said I smell like pickles.
I know I was heard becausethere's this whole like burst
(07:33):
out of laughter of the peoplearound me and I was like, well,
I hopefully that that madethings a little bit easier for
people they're expecting one ofthe kids on the stage to say
something weird andinappropriate and this is like
one of those, like speciallydesigned auditoriums, where all
the acoustics are perfect, youknow, oh, you say one thing and
(07:53):
it just carries everywhere Ithink I smell like pickles.
Diana (07:57):
It's a lot less inappropriate than oh, there's
the one I lost between my boobs,or something like that, you
know well it I.
Becky (08:05):
That's not the only thing I said.
A few sogs later I kind ofmaybe said I need drugs, and
that didn't go over as well.
Hopefully fewer people heardthat one, because I'm in a
school setting it's.
I mean, I didn't say what drugsI needed.
But I didn't say what drugs Ineeded, but I needed something
(08:26):
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Right, just some SudafedAnything to make me sleep
through this.
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(10:46):
Today on the show, we arethrilled to bring on Jordan
Harcourt-Hughes.
She is an artist and authorworking out of Australia.
(11:07):
I think is where you arecurrently right, jordan.
Jordan (11:09):
Correct, yeah.
Becky (11:12):
She got up at 6 am Well, actually she's been up for a
while.
She got up at 6am Well,actually she's been up for a
while.
We're recording in the weehours of the morning for her,
but I just learned that sheactually does most of her
artistic practice within thehours of 4am and 6am, because
it's that amazing time whereyou're still half awake, still
connected, and we also talk alot about the witching hour here
(11:35):
on the podcast.
That's that time when that veilis thin.
Between 3 and 4am, we just allthose creative things, those
downloads all happen at thattime.
So I'm so excited to hear abouteverything you do.
Jordan (11:51):
Jordan.
Welcome to the show.
Welcome, thank you, becky, and.
Becky (11:53):
Diana, it's so lovely to talk to you and to be here.
Thanks for having me.
You are so multifaceted withthe art.
You do Tell us about that.
I know you mentioned there werefive distinct practices that
you work in.
Jordan (12:01):
Yes, I am.
I am multifaceted and I loveall of them.
I actually first started outwriting, so writing was my first
creative practice and thatstarted when I was a kid.
I've been through quite ajourney with writing because
(12:22):
when I got to the age of 19 andI had a very early midlife
crisis and I got to the pointwhere I just thought words are
useless, they don't work, likethey can be used to lie or to
code things or to veil things,and I thought this is ridiculous
.
I then completely left words.
I stopped writing for a fewyears and that's when I started
working with metal sculpture.
So I actually went to Scotland.
I enrolled in a technicalcollege there.
I jumped into it.
I had the best time.
(12:42):
After metal sculpture I cameback to Sydney and I did a fine
arts degree.
So that's when I started doingbig installations.
I started painting, and paintingis the creative practice that I
actually took out of thatjourney.
It was kind of something thatwas beyond words and it felt
truer to me because it was justa little bit more spiritually
connected.
I think you can express thingsthrough visual arts that you
(13:03):
can't quite articulate in words.
The painting is what got meback to writing.
So I actually found that once Iwas tapped into my real
creative energy through painting, the creative writing came back
to me.
So now I have fiction writingand painting so I love to paint
and then my other creativepractices around my professional
nine to five work, which Istill have.
(13:24):
So I lead creative teams and Ialso run creative workshops to
help people tap into theircreativity.
One of the things I've found asadults is that we are in our
logical minds so much so weoverthink things a lot and part
of my creative practice has beenabout stopping thinking and
getting out of that logicalheadspace, because I think when
you step out of that logicalheadspace you can really start
(13:44):
to get more tapped into thatintuitive sense of self.
I do a lot of mindfulcreativity courses, which is
really just looking at thepractice of mindfulness while
you're doing art and it's just areally, it's a really nice
grounding practice.
So those are the things that Ido.
Diana (14:00):
You're so right.
The first thing I think of whenyou described your experience
from writing and then cuttingoff the writing because it
wasn't saying what you wanted tosay, and then going to visual
arts and then back to writing.
That makes sense to me so much.
I've never thought about itthat way before.
But imagery and symbolism isthe language of the subconscious
, which you have to translateinto your own words and then
(14:22):
when somebody hears it, theyhave to translate those words
back into the image in theirsubconscious, whereas when you
communicate through imagery,you're communicating directly,
subconscious to subconsciousright.
Jordan (14:31):
Oh, I love how you've described that.
You should write that down anduse it.
But language is a logicalstructure.
Language is based on logic, sogetting out of language helps us
to get out of logic, I think.
Diana (14:43):
Because both people's ego get in the way when you're
trying to communicate throughwords.
Jordan (14:48):
Yes.
So back to writing.
Some of the things that I'vebeen using my writing to do,
given that I had so much troublewith that medium at the
beginning is think aboutholistic communication, and
that's been my, I guess my lifegoal in my creative practice is
to try and understand how we canuse all of these different
types of communication to reacha higher level of communing and
(15:10):
I like to call it communing withthe universe, where it's a far
more holistic way of sensinginto the world, sensing into
each other, into the environment, and really using all of those
different senses to get adifferent kind of meaning, which
we don't get through just oneform of language, and I think it
allows us to arrive somewherecompletely different, which is
interesting because it actuallytakes us outside of the general
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societal structure that we'reworking in.
So that can feel completelystrange, but the more you do it,
the more comfortable you canget with it, which is why I like
it.
One of the experiences I hadwhen I was making this
transition between writing andpainting was that I came back
from Scotland from doing mysculpture experience and I
started studying a visual artsdegree, majoring in sculpture,
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and it was in the grounds of anold, insane asylum.
So it's this beautiful historiccollection of buildings in
Sydney and it's called CallanPark and it was part of Sydney
University.
It was the most incrediblespace, so beautiful old
sandstone buildings like massive, massive spaces, but a real
sense of this energy that hadn'tquite dissipated yet and, you
(16:18):
know, really kind of steppinginto that.
And when I started studyingthere, for some reason I started
really getting interested inmadness, because I think madness
is this interesting space whereyou know, a lot of creative
people really struggle with thissense of being different or
stepping outside of the normal.
That can, that can drive youreally mad really quickly.
(16:39):
And so you know, and threeyears spent in that landscape
really they'd only stoppedtreating patients about five
years before I started studyingthere, so it had been a very
gradual migration, but thatenergy was still very present
there.
In the end, having having beenimmersed in that space for three
years and studying madness, Idid think that I actually went a
little bit mad.
(17:00):
And one of the only times I'vereally had an experience of
having a ghost-like energy makean appearance to me, and that
was my grandfather and I'd neverseen him before.
He never came back again, but Ithink he was just checking in
to say are you okay?
It's all getting a bit full on,but I think that experience was
really helpful because I gotout of it in the end.
You know, I was fine and Ifinished my degree, but it was
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my first experience of juststepping outside of our
collective agreement of what weall think is normal.
Having survived that being notnormal was actually healthy for
me to start my journey offiguring out how you can exist
in your inner world.
That makes sense to you.
That may not make sense toeveryone else.
Becky (17:37):
Tell us about in detail this experience that you had
with your grandfather.
Jordan (17:41):
The grounds, as I said, were really.
They felt I'd actually gotten alittle bit sick.
I was having skin situations, Iwas not sleeping.
It was when I actually startedhaving out of body experiences
as well.
It was all happening.
It was a very important time inmy life because everything was
just blowing up.
But anyway, this experiencewith my grandfather, it wasn't
anything that I could clearly,absolutely say.
(18:02):
This is what it was.
It's just what I sensed and Ithink a lot of the time we have
these experiences and we sensethem.
I was in the car and I was justat my absolute limit.
I had used up all of my survivalresources to figure out what
was going on and I was in tearsand I was just didn't quite know
what to do when, feeling unwelland hugely tired because I was
working and studying and, youknow, doing night shifts till
3am in the morning and justcompletely frenzied.
(18:25):
And I was just sitting in my carand I was by myself and I just
felt this energy very close andit wasn't anything that I can
see.
It wasn't a visual apparitionthat appeared, it was really
just a sensory experience, andmy grandfather actually died
before I was born, so I'd nevermet him in person.
I didn't really know much otherthan the sense that I got that
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was my father's father and wasjust checking in to see if I was
okay and actually that wasenough for me.
It was just this really nicetouch point and I never felt it
again, which is why I think it'sreal, because it wasn't
something that I conjured,because I thought it could
happen.
It was just something thathappened and I made sense of it
the best way I could and it didhelp and I think sometimes, if
this happens to us, it is, youknow, a sense of people just
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coming to check in on us.
Diana (19:09):
Why do you think it was him specifically who came to you
, if you never saw him in life?
Jordan (19:13):
That is the perfect question.
Who knows?
And I think that's what happens, probably one of my first
experiences as well, of tryingto just sense into it and not
try and explain it logically,because we will always try and
find the logical connections.
Why would it have been him atthis point?
And I don't know the answer tothat.
I just sensed.
I sensed that that's what itwas.
Who knows?
Becky (19:35):
One of my personal goals with the show is to become
comfortable with not knowingwith the unknowing just knowing
that you can't know everythingExactly.
Diana (19:44):
That's why we say we collect ghost stories, because
that is one of the ways thatpeople understand this
interaction between us andenergies.
We don't really see or hear orfeel in normal senses.
Jordan (19:56):
I was thinking about how many actual ghost stories I
have to share with you.
My husband's aunt pranked me onthe day of her funeral and it
was exactly her.
She was a beautiful, beautiful,fun, full of humor and
adventure lady, and she passedaway last year.
So she's in New Zealand becausemy husband is from New Zealand
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and her name was Margaret.
So we've been over here inAustralia.
My husband went back to thefuneral, I stayed here because
we've got a dog and I work, andso it was just something we
couldn't both do together.
And the morning of her funeral.
So Chris was in New Zealand andI was.
I must've been deeply asleep,because I nearly jumped out of
bed with fright when I heard thedoorbell ringing downstairs.
(20:38):
And it rang.
It was, and it was actuallyfour o'clock in the morning,
which is interesting becausethat's my, that's my time of day
.
Usually I'd be up, but I wasn't.
I was asleep Four o'clock inthe morning.
The doorbell rings and we havethese screens in our house so
you can see who's down on thesteps, and so all I had to do
was go to the screen on the topfloor of the house and have a
look to see who was ringing thedoorbell so I could tell them to
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go away, because it was tooearly and there just wasn't
anyone there and it was veryinsistent.
So the doorbell rang four timesand there was absolutely no one
there.
I went downstairs no one thereand you can't ring it without
touching it and coming up on thescreen and there just wasn't
anyone there and I was terrified.
I couldn't make sense of it.
We'd never had a problem withthis intercom before.
(21:21):
It had never done this and it'snever done it again.
And it was only that evening,when I was talking to my husband
on the phone, that I said youknow what I think Margaret
popped in today.
I think it was her way of justsaying see you later because I
couldn't be there.
It was something I think thatshe would have found hilarious.
Diana (21:45):
It hasn't happened again and I, you know, I think she's
gone on to her next journey andexperience, and that's something
we hear about spirits that haverecently passed.
The more recently somebody thatthey know has passed away, the
more likely they are to interactwith electronic devices.
Becky (21:56):
For some reason do you feel like that's true, becky?
Diana (21:58):
It's kind of more of a recentness thing.
Becky (22:01):
So you also mentioned that you had out of body
experiences.
Jordan (22:05):
I first started having out of body experiences when I
was about 19.
And 19 was when I actually alsobelieve that I had a soul
migration.
That early time in my life,when I was struggling with words
and language, I did have somereally interesting experiences
because I've used my books andmy art to really explore what I
think has been going on.
When I was 19, I started havinga really early grieving
(22:31):
experience.
I had a sense of losingeverything that I have felt
valuable.
So I lost a word.
So I'd always wanted to writeand suddenly I realized words
are rubbish, they can't do whatI want.
So see you later words.
I grew up kind of thinking thatI wanted to have a connection
with God and then I realizedeverything that I'd ever learned
about religion.
It just didn't work and so thatwas another reality that had
(22:51):
just gone.
So I just didn't know what wasleft and I went through this
incredible grieving process.
I've never experienced anythinglike it, but I think I grieved
for about two years and duringthat time I just felt like
everything was shedding.
I was becoming nothing becauseeverything was just shedding
away.
This was the crux of it.
I was in Melbourne and I waswalking down the street and for
(23:14):
some reason I stopped and wentback to the hotel because I
thought I needed to go to thebathroom or pick something up.
So I turned around and wentback and I came back down to the
street after a couple ofminutes and about three blocks
down, a truck had done aridiculous turn and crashed into
the wall.
Oh no.
So essentially I saw that ifI'd kept going I would have been
(23:35):
in the middle of the wall, inbetween the wall and that truck,
so I would have been gone.
That was the last piece of thepuzzle that just really
shattered me into a millionpieces, this sense of coming up
against your own death andrealising that actually things
have shifted.
And after that I started reallyexperiencing this idea that
actually I was different, I'dshed all this old part of me and
(23:55):
I was different.
But at the time this wasactually I was different, I'd
shed all this old part of me andI was different.
But at the time, you know, thiswas when I was 19,.
So it took me years and yearsto understand what that even was
.
But I do believe that that iswhat happened.
So my old, the person that I was, was gone and either a new part
of me had downloaded.
So I downloaded a new part ofmy higher self and potentially
(24:16):
there was some soul braiding,which people describe as some
additional strength, downloadingthe strength of another, more
powerful soul to help you onyour journey.
And when I was 26, I formallychanged my name because I really
thought that I was now adifferent person that should be
recognized and I really felt Iwas a different vibration to who
I was, and that's also the timethat I started having the
(24:39):
out-of-body experiences.
So I was again terrified.
These things are terrifyingwhen they happen because, again,
because we don't talk aboutthem a lot, unless you're in a
really specific circle wherethese things are known, but if
you're just a normal teenager ora normal 20-year-old, you don't
know this stuff the mostinteresting out-of-body
experiences were first when Iwas in Melbourne.
So I had a few.
I was going between Sydney andMelbourne, a lot in my 20s, but
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anyway this was in Melbourne andI think actually this is where
it started.
I was staying with a friend ofa friend.
So I think sometimes thesethings happen in a landscape
where we're not in our own space.
We're a little bit out of place.
I started just feeling that Iwas going out of my body and
traveling.
They're very vague memoriesbecause I think when we try and
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recall these experiences withour logical mind, that's not the
language that our body isexperiencing, so they're very
vague.
You didn't take your meat brainwith you.
Diana (25:31):
No, exactly.
Jordan (25:32):
Yeah, but I do remember one of the times where I was out
of my body Maybe I was in myetheric body and I remember
being on a balcony and a wholebunch of people like spirits and
energies were down on theground and they'd come for me.
I knew that they were callingme and I feel like they were
probably either my soul tribe orkindreds that had come to say
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okay, well, you're here andyou're a therapeutic body, let's
start having fun.
But I was like no, I'm notready, and I told them to go
away and I always look back onthat experience saying why?
Becky (26:04):
did I do that?
Why didn't I?
Jordan (26:05):
just go with it.
But no, I was really young andvery inexperienced and I just
didn't know what was going on.
So I let that one go, but thatwine go.
But when I was in Scotland againout of my own personal spaces
in a foreign country, and youknow a different kind of life I
really had started experiencingthem in a much more tactile way.
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So, for example, I would feelmyself lifting out of my body
and going through the ceilingand I could literally feel
myself going through matter andobviously it's you're not doing
it with your physical body,you're doing it with some kind
of you know, it's your ethericalbody.
But I could feel it and Ialways remember what that
feeling felt like to go throughthe ceiling.
And then I remember what it waslike being in the sky, flying
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because the wind would make myeyes water.
That's how tactile and tangibleit was.
So those are the memories Ihave, and not that I went
anywhere that I can remember.
That was incredible, althoughI'm sure I did.
I just don't have the memory inmy logical brain of what
happened, but I do know that theexperiences were very, very
real.
Becky (27:08):
So you mentioned before we hit record that through your
various artistic practices youhave found a way to connect with
extraterrestrials.
I'll just say it.
Jordan (27:21):
Well, I think, I think I am one.
Diana (27:24):
Okay, okay, do you mean after the after the soul
transfer or from before always?
Jordan (27:31):
Yeah, good question.
I'm not really sure.
When I was, when I changed myname formally, I knew I was
starting to get a sense of beingdifferent and that was because
of the soul migration.
But between that time and theage of 35, I was literally.
A lot of my thinking was I'm analien, I'm not from here and I
don't know what to do with thisinformation.
I really didn't, but I startedwriting.
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So I started writing theAlien's Handbook to Living on
Earth.
So that's still a kind of draftin my drawer.
And then I came across the workof Dolores Cannon.
That was the first book thatand I was in the bookshop and
that book would not leave mealone, so it was just talking to
me.
I think different things cometo us at the right time, so
books for me have always come tome at the right time.
So Dolores Cannon was thisincredible, incredible woman who
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started doing past liferegressions at quite a late age.
She was an army wife, raised afamily and then just started
going into this work and it wasthe first person that I actually
thought really knew what wasgoing on.
And her book the ConvolutedUniverse 2, is something I
recommend to everyone to readbecause essentially what she
started doing was she starteddoing past life regressions with
people just to help them get incontact with past lives.
But what happened is that thepeople who were going through
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were under hypnosis, startedtalking about life on other
planets and started providinginformation about
extraterrestrial existence, andeverything that came through was
incredibly interesting and itjust felt very true to me.
So it was a sense of me reallyconnecting, going.
Oh my God, someone's talkingthe truth, someone's saying real
things for the first time in mylife.
She also read a book called theThree Volunteers.
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So she wrote about the threewaves of people that have
incarnated on earth to just behere and to contribute different
skills and to participate aswe're going through this big
change.
She broke it down intodifferent times.
So if you were born between,you know, this year and this
year, you're probably the firstwave, and if you're born between
this year and this year, thesecond.
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So I was born in 76, so I fitinto that second category of the
volunteers that incarnated hereon earth.
I always feel like thispotentially my first incarnation
here, because I really havefound it very odd being here,
but anyway.
So so you know, around thattime I was learning more about
the language of star seeds andall the kinds of language that
people talk about for peoplethat are more connected to their
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galactic family or they'restill a family than they are to
a family that's here on Earth.
That made a lot of sense to me,and I think what I started doing
in my books is writing aboutthe story that I was having.
So in my books, the Petru series, meriwak is a metal smith who
can tune metal to other worldfrequencies, and so really I
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found fiction writing is areally great way to start
playing with these experiences.
For me, it is actually thecreative process that has led me
to feel that I'm tapping intosomething that is
extraterrestrial.
It happens when you're deeplyimmersed and you can start to
feel energies appear around you.
And as soon as you start tolearn how to sense into those
energies because, as I said,they can be really subtle, they
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don't just appear as a fullyfleshed out being, they don't
potentially talk to you in a waythat you expect it's really
just opening up your body'ssensory capabilities, and that's
what I mean about having aholistic communication approach.
We are using our whole bodiesand our intuition and our
subconscious to feel what'saround us, and I think, if we
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can do that, that's when westart to tap into this idea that
there's a lot going on aroundus.
Becky (30:52):
I was nodding along because I know what you're
talking about.
When you do get into quote,unquote the zone and you start
experiencing that and it's likeis this me, is this something
outside of me?
It's sometimes hard to know,but that's also.
Why do they have to be twoseparate things?
Why can't something be outsideof me and inside of me at the
(31:13):
same time?
Jordan (31:14):
Oh, I love that.
Yes, and you know what I think?
That's what kind of frustratesme about the way we think about
extraterrestrial life that weshould look outwards.
Actually, I think we shouldlook inwards.
I think the more we do, themore we look inside, the more we
will find.
There's a couple of paintingsthat I've done, called the
Speaker Series, and they allhave their eyes masked, and I
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think for me that is the sensethat we can't see what's really
out there if we try and lookwith our eyes, because we're
just getting distracted.
We live in such a visual world,but I don't think we can see
everything that's out there withjust our eyeballs, essentially.
Becky (31:51):
Absolutely Well.
Our eyeballs are just pickingup tiny little points of light,
and then our meat brain, Stainis, is interpolating it.
So we're creating our ownreality every time we're looking
with our eyes.
Diana (32:03):
Do you think that feel that this experience of being an
extraterrestrial is somethingthat's pretty unique to yourself
or a certain group of people orspecific people, or is this
something that maybe souls justcycle through?
(32:23):
Different planetary experiencesin general?
Jordan (32:28):
yeah, if I were to combine my own feelings with
what I've read and learned, Ithink there's thousands and
thousands of planets that we canincarnate in.
So we can and we are on ajourney of being in different
planets and different places,because they all have different
things to teach us, and it'spart of our journey as souls too
.
You know, we go where ourvibration takes us, so we will
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go to the best place where wecan learn and grow.
If we've happened to arrivehere, then we've chosen it, or
it's the right place, becausethat's where our frequency has
led us to take the next path onour journey.
That's the way I think of it.
As to whether it's only me or aselect group of people, I think
that's about consciousness andpersonal feeling as well.
(33:10):
So I would never say thatperson's this or that person's
that.
I think you have to arrive atyour own awakening, and that's
why I think when we have.
You know there's lots ofconversations about disclosure.
So when will the governmentsdisclose that extraterrestrial
contact has already happened?
I don't think disclosure issomething that happens.
It doesn't have to happen on aglobal level.
It's not something that we haveto wait for.
(33:32):
It's a very personal thing.
Disclosure is when we arrive ata place where we can understand
that we may have had lives onother planets.
We may be here to experiencelife as a human.
Diana (33:44):
That kind of inspired me to be excited about thinking
about being reincarnated inanother universe somewhere.
And that's so thrilling to methe idea that why would I stay
here on my soul's journey, whywould I continue learning things
on this planet when there areso many others?
I love that concept.
Well, that's what.
Jordan (34:02):
I think is exciting.
I think that this is what Ilove about that, and it's
probably the creative in me thatthinks that why would we not
want this for ourselves?
Why would we not want thisreally exciting journey of being
to be able to go so manydifferent places and have so
many different experiences, likewhy not?
Diana (34:19):
It's amazing, your whole experience.
Then it just it feels like thelongest, most drawn out
near-death experience.
Becky (34:28):
Would you?
Diana (34:29):
classify it as a near-death experience, because
you barely missed the collisionand then all of a sudden you
were seeing people down belowwho were your soul's family,
kind of welcoming you into thenew realization that you were
now a different person.
And we had a guest a fewseasons ago who had seven
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near-death experiences in a row,where she actually died about
seven times after a severetrauma.
Becky (35:01):
But she says that she now has a new birthday and a new
Zodiac chart because of thatnewness of having been reborn
through her near-deathexperience.
Diana (35:08):
Does that kind of resonate with you, or is that a
completely separate experience?
Jordan (35:13):
It's a really interesting question.
Who knows separate experience?
It's a really interestingquestion, I think.
Who knows?
The thing that I've I keep asmy own story is that I've just
it's just been a gradualevolution of who I am and one of
those people that don't feardeath at all.
I think it's just going to be atransition to the next planet
or the next journey, but youknow who's to say.
(35:33):
I mean, there's so much that westill don't understand.
Like I'm not sure that we canever completely 100% say this is
exactly what's going on,because it's such an interesting
, diverse universe that we livein.
But yeah, I think I'm stillalive.
Diana (35:48):
That is the no fear of death.
That's another commonalitybetween people with near death
experience stories, so there'ssome crossover there somewhere.
Becky (35:58):
Well, Jordan, do you have a website where people can go
and find out all of these thingsthat you're doing, your classes
, your artwork, your books?
Jordan (36:06):
Yeah, yeah, so jordanhackorthewscom.
That's where you can findeverything.
Becky (36:11):
Is that all one word, or there are hyphenations in it?
Jordan (36:13):
All one word.
Becky (36:14):
We'll have that on our show notes and in the
description of this episode sothat everybody can go and find
that and check out what you haveto offer.
It sounds amazing.
You do so many things.
I don't know how you have timefor even the dog, but it must
mean that you're really in tunewith everything if you're able
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to kind of make all of it work.
It sounds amazing.
Jordan (36:38):
Very inspirational.
Diana (36:38):
I love it all and that helps.
Do you have any upcomingprojects, publications, gallery
shows or anything that we couldhelp with?
Jordan (36:46):
Yeah, so my second book's just come out.
So this book is the story ofmetalsmith Meriwack, who tunes
metal to other world frequencies.
So the book High Country isjust out now, so you can find
out more about that on mywebsite as well.
Becky (36:59):
Excellent.
Diana (37:01):
Hainted Loves.
What is your opinion?
Have you downloaded anyinteresting things from past
lives on other planets and ifyou did, did you have a spooky
day?
Becky (37:13):
Homespun Haints is hosted by Becky Kielimnik and Doty and
produced by Homespun HaintsMedia LLC.
Editing and music by BeckyKilimnik.
Show notes by Diana Doty.
If you have a ghost story andyou'd like to be considered as a
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Slash submit.
What does it mean to be human?
Does being human mean you'reexclusively of this planet, or
does it mean you can also besomething else at the same time?
Every day, we discover more andmore about our universe and our
connections to it, and withevery new story about the world
around us, we realize weactually don't know anything at
all.
But that doesn't mean we can'tdig deeper on our own.
(00:24):
Our guest today has done justthat through her own art and has
learned how to tap intosomething beyond what we
typically experience with ourfive senses.
And, of course, she has someghost stories.
Let's hear from Jordan today onHomespun Haints.
Hello, hainted Loves, welcometo Homespun Haints.
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I'm Becky, I'm Diana, and lookat us.
Every time we're on here welook completely different.
This is like the portfolio oflooks of Diana and Becky.
For me, I hate it when I wearlike blue or purple lipstick
because it makes my teeth lookyellow, but they're really
actually very white right now.
So just pretend that I'm azombie or something.
Diana (01:06):
I made homemade mouthwash for the first time ever and I
can't believe I didn't do itbefore because it's so
ridiculously easy and cheap.
It's like water, salt, bakingsoda and xylitol Delicious.
But then I got fancy and I waslike I could make this better
and I made an extract out ofchamomile and aloe and arnica,
(01:29):
but unfortunately it turned outbrown.
So I'm a little afraid to useit because I don't want my teeth
to turn brown.
So I was Googling, like whatcould I put in my mouthwash to
make it the opposite of yellowBleach?
And it's a hibiscus.
Becky (01:43):
Oh, hibiscus, the opposite of yellow is bleach.
Diana (01:44):
I thought the opposite of yellow bleach.
And it's a hibiscus.
Oh, the opposite of yellow isbleach.
I thought the opposite ofyellow was purple, because when
you get on the really cheapsales on amazon you can buy
tooth whitener.
That's actually just purple dyefor your teeth.
Yep, to make them a moreneutral shade of gray, I guess
Lovely, but, becky, you haveteeth that you grew yourself.
Becky (02:10):
I think you should be proud of this.
I grew these teeth myself.
No braces, no whitener thereyou go Very little oral care.
Yeah, I have them all, eventhough I grew up in Tennessee,
so you know we're doing goodhere.
I want to introduce our guest.
We have an amazing guest todaythat I think you guys are going
to love.
Her name is Jordan HarcourtHughes, and what she's going to
(02:36):
talk about today is a little bitof a departure from our spooky
ghost stories, but it's very,very spiritual and like into the
veil.
We're getting woo today.
We're getting woo.
But you know what the funnything is?
She's like I don't really havea lot of ghost stories.
And then she did.
She totally had ghost stories.
Diana (02:51):
Becky, when you first asked me if I had a ghost story,
I said no, and you see how manyI've told over the years.
Becky (02:56):
Exactly, yeah, everybody has one, you just have to like
coax it out.
Absolutely loved talking to her.
I know you guys are going toreally, really enjoy it.
You're going to enjoy it morethan I enjoyed trying to figure
out what to put on my lipsbefore this interview began.
So what happened was I grabbedthe wrong color.
(03:17):
I grabbed black.
Diana (03:19):
Terrible choice.
Becky (03:20):
It would have been fine.
So I put the black on, I messedit up and I ended up with a big
like side stash kind of thing,like it was like a half, and I
was like, oh no, so I'm likescrubbing it all off.
And then I have like littleblack streaks where it got,
because my lips aren't verymoist, I don't, you know, that
word really bothers some people.
It does.
Yes, maybe we should bleep itMoist, moist, moist, yeah, and
(03:43):
then.
So then I grabbed this purpleeyeliner because oh, that's
eyeliner Nice.
Diana (03:51):
Like high school, I don't use products where they're
supposed to be.
Why care about safety testingon specific body parts?
Becky (03:58):
I have a lot of recalled cosmetics.
I'm like what is your FDA?
Unapproval is a sale item forme.
Diana (04:06):
Again, don't take advice from an entertainment ghost
podcast.
Becky (04:10):
And when we open the homespun hates apothecary
selling Diana's brown mouthwash.
Diana (04:16):
And hate repellent spray.
Becky (04:18):
Hate repellent spray.
Yes, we need to get on that.
We can say you've been warned.
Diana (04:32):
Part of the reason I had to get dolled up and I wanted to
get dolled up in a veryinappropriate way was my son has
a chorus concert tonight.
That's fabulous.
So you wanted to wear offensivemakeup for other moms in the
pta.
They might not have enoughreasons to judge you yet, so why
not give them a couple more,okay, so?
Becky (04:42):
so here's the thing.
My daughter had a chorusconcert last week, and when I
left it I was shaking so hardwith rage that.
I could barely eat my taco.
I mean, it was a Tuesday, so Iwas eating a taco.
Diana (04:58):
Did they make her sing a bunch of like hardcore religious
songs?
Yep, that's my experience withchorus too.
It's not so much chorus, as itis choir here in oklahoma right.
Becky (05:07):
Well, they even called it choir in the program and I
thought it was a little weird.
So what this was was it was anintroduction to the high school
choir, as they called it.
So they had my daughter'smiddle school and the
neighboring middle school that'salso feeding into the high
school.
They had their choruses eachsing a couple songs and then
(05:27):
they had the high school choruscome up and I think there's like
seven or 12 different chorusesin this high school.
Diana (05:34):
Dang.
Becky (05:35):
I counted seven songs, seven songs about God, and it
wasn't like subtle, it wasn'tlike they were singing Handel's
Messiah right, and I'm like, I'mfine with Handel's Messiah,
that's fine.
These are beautiful classicalpieces of music that were
created because they wereactually commissioned by the
(05:57):
church, so of course theymentioned Deus Deus, deus, right
Makes sense.
Diana (06:02):
You kiss up to the boss, especially if the boss is the
church.
Becky (06:05):
These are modern songs and they weren't even like
subtle metaphors.
The funny part of this story Ihad had these like pickle chips
right before we went to this.
Have you ever had, have you had, chips flavored like pickles?
Diana (06:21):
I live in Oklahoma.
Of course I have.
Becky (06:26):
Oh, they're so good.
They're so good.
I got a Trader Joe's and Ibought these pickle chips and I
ate like the entire bag.
Well, my son and I we likepolished off the whole bag
before we went in Cause.
I was like, oh, they're so good.
And he's like, mom, these areso good.
But I bought them.
He's like gross.
I'm like, just try it.
He's like 11-year-old boy.
He could not get enough of them.
So I'm sitting there and in theaudience I'm watching this mess,
(06:49):
this craziness, go down, andthen I start getting distracted
by the smell of pickled potatoesthat has soaked into my skin
and my clothing and my hair andmy jacket from all the pickle
chips that I ate.
(07:09):
And I'm, like you know, doingthis.
During the performance and justas they finished and the
clapping and applause had dieddown between pieces, without
even thinking, in a loud voice,I said I smell like pickles.
I know I was heard becausethere's this whole like burst
(07:33):
out of laughter of the peoplearound me and I was like, well,
I hopefully that that madethings a little bit easier for
people they're expecting one ofthe kids on the stage to say
something weird andinappropriate and this is like
one of those, like speciallydesigned auditoriums, where all
the acoustics are perfect, youknow, oh, you say one thing and
(07:53):
it just carries everywhere Ithink I smell like pickles.
Diana (07:57):
It's a lot less inappropriate than oh, there's
the one I lost between my boobs,or something like that, you
know well it I.
Becky (08:05):
That's not the only thing I said.
A few sogs later I kind ofmaybe said I need drugs, and
that didn't go over as well.
Hopefully fewer people heardthat one, because I'm in a
school setting it's.
I mean, I didn't say what drugsI needed.
But I didn't say what drugs Ineeded, but I needed something
(08:26):
to get through the rest of thisperformance.
Right, just some SudafedAnything to make me sleep
through this.
Diana (08:32):
By the way, listeners, if you didn't know, we have a book
club that meets almost once amonth.
If you'd like to join, it'sfree.
All you have to do is go topatreoncom slash homespunhaines,
sign up for the free tier orany tier and you can get book
club meetup reminders and alsoon our Patreon for those of you
that are members.
Becky (08:51):
On March 11th we will be having an Ask Us Anything.
For our paying members.
You can get on a Zoom call andchat with us about anything you
want to know.
Diana (09:04):
All the episodes we've released so far, I guess, yeah,
that's about 300.
If you're binging, good luck,but you don't have to get
through the entire series toenjoy the conversation.
Becky (09:14):
Maybe there will be some things that we can only reveal
behind Zoom doors.
Diana (09:22):
There are absolutely things we can only reveal behind
closed doors, it's true, butthat's what our patrons get.
Becky (09:31):
If you want to check out our Patreon, as Diana said, it's
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What happened, honey?
I was out with the guys andthey well, and, and they said I
wasn't spooky enough.
Oh honey, how could they saythat to you?
You're hella spooky.
You think so, of course.
After all, you came up with theectoplasm being ghost jizz
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anyone else.
I know.
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Today on the show, we arethrilled to bring on Jordan
Harcourt-Hughes.
She is an artist and authorworking out of Australia.
(11:07):
I think is where you arecurrently right, jordan.
Jordan (11:09):
Correct, yeah.
Becky (11:12):
She got up at 6 am Well, actually she's been up for a
while.
She got up at 6am Well,actually she's been up for a
while.
We're recording in the weehours of the morning for her,
but I just learned that sheactually does most of her
artistic practice within thehours of 4am and 6am, because
it's that amazing time whereyou're still half awake, still
connected, and we also talk alot about the witching hour here
(11:35):
on the podcast.
That's that time when that veilis thin.
Between 3 and 4am, we just allthose creative things, those
downloads all happen at thattime.
So I'm so excited to hear abouteverything you do.
Jordan (11:51):
Jordan.
Welcome to the show.
Welcome, thank you, becky, and.
Becky (11:53):
Diana, it's so lovely to talk to you and to be here.
Thanks for having me.
You are so multifaceted withthe art.
You do Tell us about that.
I know you mentioned there werefive distinct practices that
you work in.
Jordan (12:01):
Yes, I am.
I am multifaceted and I loveall of them.
I actually first started outwriting, so writing was my first
creative practice and thatstarted when I was a kid.
I've been through quite ajourney with writing because
(12:22):
when I got to the age of 19 andI had a very early midlife
crisis and I got to the pointwhere I just thought words are
useless, they don't work, likethey can be used to lie or to
code things or to veil things,and I thought this is ridiculous
.
I then completely left words.
I stopped writing for a fewyears and that's when I started
working with metal sculpture.
So I actually went to Scotland.
I enrolled in a technicalcollege there.
I jumped into it.
I had the best time.
(12:42):
After metal sculpture I cameback to Sydney and I did a fine
arts degree.
So that's when I started doingbig installations.
I started painting, and paintingis the creative practice that I
actually took out of thatjourney.
It was kind of something thatwas beyond words and it felt
truer to me because it was justa little bit more spiritually
connected.
I think you can express thingsthrough visual arts that you
(13:03):
can't quite articulate in words.
The painting is what got meback to writing.
So I actually found that once Iwas tapped into my real
creative energy through painting, the creative writing came back
to me.
So now I have fiction writingand painting so I love to paint
and then my other creativepractices around my professional
nine to five work, which Istill have.
(13:24):
So I lead creative teams and Ialso run creative workshops to
help people tap into theircreativity.
One of the things I've found asadults is that we are in our
logical minds so much so weoverthink things a lot and part
of my creative practice has beenabout stopping thinking and
getting out of that logicalheadspace, because I think when
you step out of that logicalheadspace you can really start
(13:44):
to get more tapped into thatintuitive sense of self.
I do a lot of mindfulcreativity courses, which is
really just looking at thepractice of mindfulness while
you're doing art and it's just areally, it's a really nice
grounding practice.
So those are the things that Ido.
Diana (14:00):
You're so right.
The first thing I think of whenyou described your experience
from writing and then cuttingoff the writing because it
wasn't saying what you wanted tosay, and then going to visual
arts and then back to writing.
That makes sense to me so much.
I've never thought about itthat way before.
But imagery and symbolism isthe language of the subconscious
, which you have to translateinto your own words and then
(14:22):
when somebody hears it, theyhave to translate those words
back into the image in theirsubconscious, whereas when you
communicate through imagery,you're communicating directly,
subconscious to subconsciousright.
Jordan (14:31):
Oh, I love how you've described that.
You should write that down anduse it.
But language is a logicalstructure.
Language is based on logic, sogetting out of language helps us
to get out of logic, I think.
Diana (14:43):
Because both people's ego get in the way when you're
trying to communicate throughwords.
Jordan (14:48):
Yes.
So back to writing.
Some of the things that I'vebeen using my writing to do,
given that I had so much troublewith that medium at the
beginning is think aboutholistic communication, and
that's been my, I guess my lifegoal in my creative practice is
to try and understand how we canuse all of these different
types of communication to reacha higher level of communing and
(15:10):
I like to call it communing withthe universe, where it's a far
more holistic way of sensinginto the world, sensing into
each other, into the environment, and really using all of those
different senses to get adifferent kind of meaning, which
we don't get through just oneform of language, and I think it
allows us to arrive somewherecompletely different, which is
interesting because it actuallytakes us outside of the general
(15:33):
societal structure that we'reworking in.
So that can feel completelystrange, but the more you do it,
the more comfortable you canget with it, which is why I like
it.
One of the experiences I hadwhen I was making this
transition between writing andpainting was that I came back
from Scotland from doing mysculpture experience and I
started studying a visual artsdegree, majoring in sculpture,
(15:57):
and it was in the grounds of anold, insane asylum.
So it's this beautiful historiccollection of buildings in
Sydney and it's called CallanPark and it was part of Sydney
University.
It was the most incrediblespace, so beautiful old
sandstone buildings like massive, massive spaces, but a real
sense of this energy that hadn'tquite dissipated yet and, you
(16:18):
know, really kind of steppinginto that.
And when I started studyingthere, for some reason I started
really getting interested inmadness, because I think madness
is this interesting space whereyou know, a lot of creative
people really struggle with thissense of being different or
stepping outside of the normal.
That can, that can drive youreally mad really quickly.
(16:39):
And so you know, and threeyears spent in that landscape
really they'd only stoppedtreating patients about five
years before I started studyingthere, so it had been a very
gradual migration, but thatenergy was still very present
there.
In the end, having having beenimmersed in that space for three
years and studying madness, Idid think that I actually went a
little bit mad.
(17:00):
And one of the only times I'vereally had an experience of
having a ghost-like energy makean appearance to me, and that
was my grandfather and I'd neverseen him before.
He never came back again, but Ithink he was just checking in
to say are you okay?
It's all getting a bit full on,but I think that experience was
really helpful because I gotout of it in the end.
You know, I was fine and Ifinished my degree, but it was
(17:25):
my first experience of juststepping outside of our
collective agreement of what weall think is normal.
Having survived that being notnormal was actually healthy for
me to start my journey offiguring out how you can exist
in your inner world.
That makes sense to you.
That may not make sense toeveryone else.
Becky (17:37):
Tell us about in detail this experience that you had
with your grandfather.
Jordan (17:41):
The grounds, as I said, were really.
They felt I'd actually gotten alittle bit sick.
I was having skin situations, Iwas not sleeping.
It was when I actually startedhaving out of body experiences
as well.
It was all happening.
It was a very important time inmy life because everything was
just blowing up.
But anyway, this experiencewith my grandfather, it wasn't
anything that I could clearly,absolutely say.
(18:02):
This is what it was.
It's just what I sensed and Ithink a lot of the time we have
these experiences and we sensethem.
I was in the car and I was justat my absolute limit.
I had used up all of my survivalresources to figure out what
was going on and I was in tearsand I was just didn't quite know
what to do when, feeling unwelland hugely tired because I was
working and studying and, youknow, doing night shifts till
3am in the morning and justcompletely frenzied.
(18:25):
And I was just sitting in my carand I was by myself and I just
felt this energy very close andit wasn't anything that I can
see.
It wasn't a visual apparitionthat appeared, it was really
just a sensory experience, andmy grandfather actually died
before I was born, so I'd nevermet him in person.
I didn't really know much otherthan the sense that I got that
(18:46):
was my father's father and wasjust checking in to see if I was
okay and actually that wasenough for me.
It was just this really nicetouch point and I never felt it
again, which is why I think it'sreal, because it wasn't
something that I conjured,because I thought it could
happen.
It was just something thathappened and I made sense of it
the best way I could and it didhelp and I think sometimes, if
this happens to us, it is, youknow, a sense of people just
(19:08):
coming to check in on us.
Diana (19:09):
Why do you think it was him specifically who came to you
, if you never saw him in life?
Jordan (19:13):
That is the perfect question.
Who knows?
And I think that's what happens, probably one of my first
experiences as well, of tryingto just sense into it and not
try and explain it logically,because we will always try and
find the logical connections.
Why would it have been him atthis point?
And I don't know the answer tothat.
I just sensed.
I sensed that that's what itwas.
Who knows?
Becky (19:35):
One of my personal goals with the show is to become
comfortable with not knowingwith the unknowing just knowing
that you can't know everythingExactly.
Diana (19:44):
That's why we say we collect ghost stories, because
that is one of the ways thatpeople understand this
interaction between us andenergies.
We don't really see or hear orfeel in normal senses.
Jordan (19:56):
I was thinking about how many actual ghost stories I
have to share with you.
My husband's aunt pranked me onthe day of her funeral and it
was exactly her.
She was a beautiful, beautiful,fun, full of humor and
adventure lady, and she passedaway last year.
So she's in New Zealand becausemy husband is from New Zealand
(20:17):
and her name was Margaret.
So we've been over here inAustralia.
My husband went back to thefuneral, I stayed here because
we've got a dog and I work, andso it was just something we
couldn't both do together.
And the morning of her funeral.
So Chris was in New Zealand andI was.
I must've been deeply asleep,because I nearly jumped out of
bed with fright when I heard thedoorbell ringing downstairs.
(20:38):
And it rang.
It was, and it was actuallyfour o'clock in the morning,
which is interesting becausethat's my, that's my time of day
.
Usually I'd be up, but I wasn't.
I was asleep Four o'clock inthe morning.
The doorbell rings and we havethese screens in our house so
you can see who's down on thesteps, and so all I had to do
was go to the screen on the topfloor of the house and have a
look to see who was ringing thedoorbell so I could tell them to
(20:59):
go away, because it was tooearly and there just wasn't
anyone there and it was veryinsistent.
So the doorbell rang four timesand there was absolutely no one
there.
I went downstairs no one thereand you can't ring it without
touching it and coming up on thescreen and there just wasn't
anyone there and I was terrified.
I couldn't make sense of it.
We'd never had a problem withthis intercom before.
(21:21):
It had never done this and it'snever done it again.
And it was only that evening,when I was talking to my husband
on the phone, that I said youknow what I think Margaret
popped in today.
I think it was her way of justsaying see you later because I
couldn't be there.
It was something I think thatshe would have found hilarious.
Diana (21:45):
It hasn't happened again and I, you know, I think she's
gone on to her next journey andexperience, and that's something
we hear about spirits that haverecently passed.
The more recently somebody thatthey know has passed away, the
more likely they are to interactwith electronic devices.
Becky (21:56):
For some reason do you feel like that's true, becky?
Diana (21:58):
It's kind of more of a recentness thing.
Becky (22:01):
So you also mentioned that you had out of body
experiences.
Jordan (22:05):
I first started having out of body experiences when I
was about 19.
And 19 was when I actually alsobelieve that I had a soul
migration.
That early time in my life,when I was struggling with words
and language, I did have somereally interesting experiences
because I've used my books andmy art to really explore what I
think has been going on.
When I was 19, I started havinga really early grieving
(22:31):
experience.
I had a sense of losingeverything that I have felt
valuable.
So I lost a word.
So I'd always wanted to writeand suddenly I realized words
are rubbish, they can't do whatI want.
So see you later words.
I grew up kind of thinking thatI wanted to have a connection
with God and then I realizedeverything that I'd ever learned
about religion.
It just didn't work and so thatwas another reality that had
(22:51):
just gone.
So I just didn't know what wasleft and I went through this
incredible grieving process.
I've never experienced anythinglike it, but I think I grieved
for about two years and duringthat time I just felt like
everything was shedding.
I was becoming nothing becauseeverything was just shedding
away.
This was the crux of it.
I was in Melbourne and I waswalking down the street and for
(23:14):
some reason I stopped and wentback to the hotel because I
thought I needed to go to thebathroom or pick something up.
So I turned around and wentback and I came back down to the
street after a couple ofminutes and about three blocks
down, a truck had done aridiculous turn and crashed into
the wall.
Oh no.
So essentially I saw that ifI'd kept going I would have been
(23:35):
in the middle of the wall, inbetween the wall and that truck,
so I would have been gone.
That was the last piece of thepuzzle that just really
shattered me into a millionpieces, this sense of coming up
against your own death andrealising that actually things
have shifted.
And after that I started reallyexperiencing this idea that
actually I was different, I'dshed all this old part of me and
(23:55):
I was different.
But at the time this wasactually I was different, I'd
shed all this old part of me andI was different.
But at the time, you know, thiswas when I was 19,.
So it took me years and yearsto understand what that even was
.
But I do believe that that iswhat happened.
So my old, the person that I was, was gone and either a new part
of me had downloaded.
So I downloaded a new part ofmy higher self and potentially
(24:16):
there was some soul braiding,which people describe as some
additional strength, downloadingthe strength of another, more
powerful soul to help you onyour journey.
And when I was 26, I formallychanged my name because I really
thought that I was now adifferent person that should be
recognized and I really felt Iwas a different vibration to who
I was, and that's also the timethat I started having the
(24:39):
out-of-body experiences.
So I was again terrified.
These things are terrifyingwhen they happen because, again,
because we don't talk aboutthem a lot, unless you're in a
really specific circle wherethese things are known, but if
you're just a normal teenager ora normal 20-year-old, you don't
know this stuff the mostinteresting out-of-body
experiences were first when Iwas in Melbourne.
So I had a few.
I was going between Sydney andMelbourne, a lot in my 20s, but
(25:00):
anyway this was in Melbourne andI think actually this is where
it started.
I was staying with a friend ofa friend.
So I think sometimes thesethings happen in a landscape
where we're not in our own space.
We're a little bit out of place.
I started just feeling that Iwas going out of my body and
traveling.
They're very vague memoriesbecause I think when we try and
(25:21):
recall these experiences withour logical mind, that's not the
language that our body isexperiencing, so they're very
vague.
You didn't take your meat brainwith you.
Diana (25:31):
No, exactly.
Jordan (25:32):
Yeah, but I do remember one of the times where I was out
of my body Maybe I was in myetheric body and I remember
being on a balcony and a wholebunch of people like spirits and
energies were down on theground and they'd come for me.
I knew that they were callingme and I feel like they were
probably either my soul tribe orkindreds that had come to say
(25:54):
okay, well, you're here andyou're a therapeutic body, let's
start having fun.
But I was like no, I'm notready, and I told them to go
away and I always look back onthat experience saying why?
Becky (26:04):
did I do that?
Why didn't I?
Jordan (26:05):
just go with it.
But no, I was really young andvery inexperienced and I just
didn't know what was going on.
So I let that one go, but thatwine go.
But when I was in Scotland againout of my own personal spaces
in a foreign country, and youknow a different kind of life I
really had started experiencingthem in a much more tactile way.
(26:25):
So, for example, I would feelmyself lifting out of my body
and going through the ceilingand I could literally feel
myself going through matter andobviously it's you're not doing
it with your physical body,you're doing it with some kind
of you know, it's your ethericalbody.
But I could feel it and Ialways remember what that
feeling felt like to go throughthe ceiling.
And then I remember what it waslike being in the sky, flying
(26:48):
because the wind would make myeyes water.
That's how tactile and tangibleit was.
So those are the memories Ihave, and not that I went
anywhere that I can remember.
That was incredible, althoughI'm sure I did.
I just don't have the memory inmy logical brain of what
happened, but I do know that theexperiences were very, very
real.
Becky (27:08):
So you mentioned before we hit record that through your
various artistic practices youhave found a way to connect with
extraterrestrials.
I'll just say it.
Jordan (27:21):
Well, I think, I think I am one.
Diana (27:24):
Okay, okay, do you mean after the after the soul
transfer or from before always?
Jordan (27:31):
Yeah, good question.
I'm not really sure.
When I was, when I changed myname formally, I knew I was
starting to get a sense of beingdifferent and that was because
of the soul migration.
But between that time and theage of 35, I was literally.
A lot of my thinking was I'm analien, I'm not from here and I
don't know what to do with thisinformation.
I really didn't, but I startedwriting.
(27:51):
So I started writing theAlien's Handbook to Living on
Earth.
So that's still a kind of draftin my drawer.
And then I came across the workof Dolores Cannon.
That was the first book thatand I was in the bookshop and
that book would not leave mealone, so it was just talking to
me.
I think different things cometo us at the right time, so
books for me have always come tome at the right time.
So Dolores Cannon was thisincredible, incredible woman who
(28:18):
started doing past liferegressions at quite a late age.
She was an army wife, raised afamily and then just started
going into this work and it wasthe first person that I actually
thought really knew what wasgoing on.
And her book the ConvolutedUniverse 2, is something I
recommend to everyone to readbecause essentially what she
started doing was she starteddoing past life regressions with
people just to help them get incontact with past lives.
But what happened is that thepeople who were going through
(28:40):
were under hypnosis, startedtalking about life on other
planets and started providinginformation about
extraterrestrial existence, andeverything that came through was
incredibly interesting and itjust felt very true to me.
So it was a sense of me reallyconnecting, going.
Oh my God, someone's talkingthe truth, someone's saying real
things for the first time in mylife.
She also read a book called theThree Volunteers.
(29:01):
So she wrote about the threewaves of people that have
incarnated on earth to just behere and to contribute different
skills and to participate aswe're going through this big
change.
She broke it down intodifferent times.
So if you were born between,you know, this year and this
year, you're probably the firstwave, and if you're born between
this year and this year, thesecond.
(29:22):
So I was born in 76, so I fitinto that second category of the
volunteers that incarnated hereon earth.
I always feel like thispotentially my first incarnation
here, because I really havefound it very odd being here,
but anyway.
So so you know, around thattime I was learning more about
the language of star seeds andall the kinds of language that
people talk about for peoplethat are more connected to their
(29:44):
galactic family or they'restill a family than they are to
a family that's here on Earth.
That made a lot of sense to me,and I think what I started doing
in my books is writing aboutthe story that I was having.
So in my books, the Petru series, meriwak is a metal smith who
can tune metal to other worldfrequencies, and so really I
(30:05):
found fiction writing is areally great way to start
playing with these experiences.
For me, it is actually thecreative process that has led me
to feel that I'm tapping intosomething that is
extraterrestrial.
It happens when you're deeplyimmersed and you can start to
feel energies appear around you.
And as soon as you start tolearn how to sense into those
energies because, as I said,they can be really subtle, they
(30:27):
don't just appear as a fullyfleshed out being, they don't
potentially talk to you in a waythat you expect it's really
just opening up your body'ssensory capabilities, and that's
what I mean about having aholistic communication approach.
We are using our whole bodiesand our intuition and our
subconscious to feel what'saround us, and I think, if we
(30:48):
can do that, that's when westart to tap into this idea that
there's a lot going on aroundus.
Becky (30:52):
I was nodding along because I know what you're
talking about.
When you do get into quote,unquote the zone and you start
experiencing that and it's likeis this me, is this something
outside of me?
It's sometimes hard to know,but that's also.
Why do they have to be twoseparate things?
Why can't something be outsideof me and inside of me at the
(31:13):
same time?
Jordan (31:14):
Oh, I love that.
Yes, and you know what I think?
That's what kind of frustratesme about the way we think about
extraterrestrial life that weshould look outwards.
Actually, I think we shouldlook inwards.
I think the more we do, themore we look inside, the more we
will find.
There's a couple of paintingsthat I've done, called the
Speaker Series, and they allhave their eyes masked, and I
(31:36):
think for me that is the sensethat we can't see what's really
out there if we try and lookwith our eyes, because we're
just getting distracted.
We live in such a visual world,but I don't think we can see
everything that's out there withjust our eyeballs, essentially.
Becky (31:51):
Absolutely Well.
Our eyeballs are just pickingup tiny little points of light,
and then our meat brain, Stainis, is interpolating it.
So we're creating our ownreality every time we're looking
with our eyes.
Diana (32:03):
Do you think that feel that this experience of being an
extraterrestrial is somethingthat's pretty unique to yourself
or a certain group of people orspecific people, or is this
something that maybe souls justcycle through?
(32:23):
Different planetary experiencesin general?
Jordan (32:28):
yeah, if I were to combine my own feelings with
what I've read and learned, Ithink there's thousands and
thousands of planets that we canincarnate in.
So we can and we are on ajourney of being in different
planets and different places,because they all have different
things to teach us, and it'spart of our journey as souls too
.
You know, we go where ourvibration takes us, so we will
(32:49):
go to the best place where wecan learn and grow.
If we've happened to arrivehere, then we've chosen it, or
it's the right place, becausethat's where our frequency has
led us to take the next path onour journey.
That's the way I think of it.
As to whether it's only me or aselect group of people, I think
that's about consciousness andpersonal feeling as well.
(33:10):
So I would never say thatperson's this or that person's
that.
I think you have to arrive atyour own awakening, and that's
why I think when we have.
You know there's lots ofconversations about disclosure.
So when will the governmentsdisclose that extraterrestrial
contact has already happened?
I don't think disclosure issomething that happens.
It doesn't have to happen on aglobal level.
It's not something that we haveto wait for.
(33:32):
It's a very personal thing.
Disclosure is when we arrive ata place where we can understand
that we may have had lives onother planets.
We may be here to experiencelife as a human.
Diana (33:44):
That kind of inspired me to be excited about thinking
about being reincarnated inanother universe somewhere.
And that's so thrilling to methe idea that why would I stay
here on my soul's journey, whywould I continue learning things
on this planet when there areso many others?
I love that concept.
Well, that's what.
Jordan (34:02):
I think is exciting.
I think that this is what Ilove about that, and it's
probably the creative in me thatthinks that why would we not
want this for ourselves?
Why would we not want thisreally exciting journey of being
to be able to go so manydifferent places and have so
many different experiences, likewhy not?
Diana (34:19):
It's amazing, your whole experience.
Then it just it feels like thelongest, most drawn out
near-death experience.
Becky (34:28):
Would you?
Diana (34:29):
classify it as a near-death experience, because
you barely missed the collisionand then all of a sudden you
were seeing people down belowwho were your soul's family,
kind of welcoming you into thenew realization that you were
now a different person.
And we had a guest a fewseasons ago who had seven
(34:50):
near-death experiences in a row,where she actually died about
seven times after a severetrauma.
Becky (35:01):
But she says that she now has a new birthday and a new
Zodiac chart because of thatnewness of having been reborn
through her near-deathexperience.
Diana (35:08):
Does that kind of resonate with you, or is that a
completely separate experience?
Jordan (35:13):
It's a really interesting question.
Who knows separate experience?
It's a really interestingquestion, I think.
Who knows?
The thing that I've I keep asmy own story is that I've just
it's just been a gradualevolution of who I am and one of
those people that don't feardeath at all.
I think it's just going to be atransition to the next planet
or the next journey, but youknow who's to say.
(35:33):
I mean, there's so much that westill don't understand.
Like I'm not sure that we canever completely 100% say this is
exactly what's going on,because it's such an interesting
, diverse universe that we livein.
But yeah, I think I'm stillalive.
Diana (35:48):
That is the no fear of death.
That's another commonalitybetween people with near death
experience stories, so there'ssome crossover there somewhere.
Becky (35:58):
Well, Jordan, do you have a website where people can go
and find out all of these thingsthat you're doing, your classes
, your artwork, your books?
Jordan (36:06):
Yeah, yeah, so jordanhackorthewscom.
That's where you can findeverything.
Becky (36:11):
Is that all one word, or there are hyphenations in it?
Jordan (36:13):
All one word.
Becky (36:14):
We'll have that on our show notes and in the
description of this episode sothat everybody can go and find
that and check out what you haveto offer.
It sounds amazing.
You do so many things.
I don't know how you have timefor even the dog, but it must
mean that you're really in tunewith everything if you're able
(36:34):
to kind of make all of it work.
It sounds amazing.
Jordan (36:38):
Very inspirational.
Diana (36:38):
I love it all and that helps.
Do you have any upcomingprojects, publications, gallery
shows or anything that we couldhelp with?
Jordan (36:46):
Yeah, so my second book's just come out.
So this book is the story ofmetalsmith Meriwack, who tunes
metal to other world frequencies.
So the book High Country isjust out now, so you can find
out more about that on mywebsite as well.
Becky (36:59):
Excellent.
Diana (37:01):
Hainted Loves.
What is your opinion?
Have you downloaded anyinteresting things from past
lives on other planets and ifyou did, did you have a spooky
day?
Becky (37:13):
Homespun Haints is hosted by Becky Kielimnik and Doty and
produced by Homespun HaintsMedia LLC.
Editing and music by BeckyKilimnik.
Show notes by Diana Doty.
If you have a ghost story andyou'd like to be considered as a
guest for this podcast, pleasevisit our website at
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