May 22, 2025 • 56 mins
Ever feel like you've checked all the boxes of success but still feel disconnected from your life? You're not alone. Millions of us are stuck in survival mode, constantly doing, striving, and achieving – but rarely being.
In this transformative episode, we welcome somatic expert Megan Mosley, founder of Body Wise Consulting and creator of "The Art and Science of Being Me." Drawing from her 35+ years of experience integrating physical therapy with somatic psychology, Megan shares profound insights about how our nervous systems shape our experience of life.
We explore why rest feels threatening, why stillness triggers anxiety, and how the path from numbness to authentic presence often passes through discomfort. Megan guides us through two powerful somatic practices – the "Butterfly Hug" and "Authentic Alignment" – that you can implement immediately to regulate your nervous system and reconnect with your true self.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn when Megan explains her revolutionary approach to decision-making: "I don't make decisions, I feel what's right." She introduces the concept of "universal imperatives" – fundamental human needs like safety, connection, and worthiness – and shows how connecting to these through our bodies provides clearer guidance than our intellects alone ever could.
For anyone who's ever felt like a stranger in their own life, this episode offers not just understanding but practical tools for coming home to yourself. As Megan so beautifully puts it, "BECOME starts with BE and ends with ME" – a reminder that authentic living starts with being with yourself, for yourself, connected to yourself.
Ready to shift from surviving to thriving? Listen now and discover what's possible when you reconnect with the wisdom of your body and the truth of who you really are.
To discover more of Megan's offerings, check out her website https://www.becomebodywiseconsulting.com/
You can learn from Lisset at her upcoming Huna workshop June 21-22nd 2025 in Portland OR, learn more here: https://www.lissetking.com/huna
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Honest Feedback was created by Brittney King and Lisset King.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That's been a familiar place for me too, and I
think it's just so, so common,you know, in a society that
rewards going, doing, striving,achieving.
Basically we're surviving ourlives moment by moment, versus
actually like living andthriving.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Welcome to Honest Feedback, the podcast where deep
truth meets bold transformation.
I'm Goddess Brittany King, apleasure priestess and a
transformational retreatfacilitator who helps women
connect to their deepest truths,reclaim their pleasure and
awaken their inner power.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
And I'm Lissette King , an emotional ninja and
transformational coach who helpsleaders release baggage, heal
unresolved trauma and step intotheir most aligned, purposeful
lives.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
We've created this podcast for spirit-led
individuals just like you,seekers of truth, personal
growth and meaningful connection.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Whether you're navigating life's big questions,
craving more joy andfulfillment, or simply looking
for honest, relatableconversations, you're in the
right place.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Through personal All right.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Welcome back to Honest Feedback Podcast.
We've got a really deliciousjuicy episode for you here today
, and we're talking aboutnervous system regulation.
Yes, yeah.
What do you got to say aboutthat?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I mean, it's all the rage how do you regulate your
nervous system?
And it can be a lot, lot,especially when you're like
living life.
You're.
We're in america, there's a lotof hustling there's a lot of
achieving.
Yeah, there's a lot ofachieving, and so what if you
wake up and you're just like Idon't know if this is me, yeah,
what do I do?
(01:58):
How do I?
How do I live?
How do I, how do I existthrough this?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
yeah, you know there's a.
There was a funny meme goingaround that's like am I
depressed or am I just living inAmerica in 2025?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Ooh shots fired.
We're in America, so they'reactually shots fired.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yes and yeah, I will refrain from the other joke that
I have.
Oh, because, well, I'm reallyexcited because this person is
incredible.
Do you want to tell us a littlebit about Megan?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yes.
Well, megan is an awesome human.
We got to hang out and I got totalk to her about her life and
her story and meet herincredible dog, and so I was
like you have to be on thepodcast because we have a
question for you.
So Megan Mosley is the founderof Body Wise Consulting and the
creator of the art and scienceof being me.
(02:50):
She synthesizes over 35 yearsof experience as a physical
therapist with deep training insomatic psychology, and she
holds certificates in nervoussystem resiliency and trauma
release, exercise and bodycoaching resiliency and trauma
release, exercise and bodycoaching.
She is a stand-up human beingand just a wealth of knowledge,
(03:11):
and I am so, so grateful that weget to have her on the podcast
this week.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, definitely.
And with that said, let's giveMegan a call.
All right, let's call her.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Hi, megan, we're so happy to have you.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Hey Brittany, hey Lissette, Really excited to be
here.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Oh my gosh, what an honor to have you here in the
space in the virtual studio.
In the virtual studio, well, wejust shared with everyone your
bio.
But in your own words, how doyou serve, how do you help
people?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
words like how do you serve, how do you help people?
I call myself a body-mindintegrated therapist and so I
love to work with people incoaching and consulting and
doing some speaking work aroundhelping them come into authentic
alignment with the core truthof who they are, and my work is
around integrating physicaltherapy with somatic psychology
and somatic techniques to donervous system resiliency, and
(04:09):
I'm trained in trauma releaseexercise and we can talk more
about that in a minute, butthat's super cool.
And so I've put all of thistogether in a way that I've
created a framework called theart and science of being me, and
I help people cultivatebeingness like that state of
being safe in themselves andpresent and engaged and really
(04:31):
understanding from a nervoussystem perspective, that that is
where we function, where wefeel fulfilled, where we are in
flow state and can focus andwhere we feel free to be our
authentic selves.
And so that's, I think, wherelife, leadership, connection,
relationship, everything needsto come from that place of
driving our lives in that yearone nervous system of beingness.
(04:55):
So that's what I help peoplefind.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Ah, amazing.
It's in our title to humanbeings.
It's in our title too humanbeings.
Oh, that's incredible.
So what led you to this space?
So this beautiful integrationof all of these different titles
.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I feel really grateful that my kind of arrival
at this point in my life hascome through just a really
beautiful parallel of my ownpersonal interests and my own
personal evolution with mycareer.
And you know, I started out mybackground is I'll date myself
like 35 years as a physicaltherapist and specializing in
meticulous alignment and reallyfeeling like I'm really dealing
with the whole being here.
I'm really like that was mygoal, bottom of the foot to top
of the head.
And when I turned 40, I wasjust at this place where you
(05:55):
know I'd done all the things.
I had checked all the boxes, Idid well in school, I had the
career, I had my own business, Ihad all of this stuff and I
just wasn't like feeling theyummies.
And part of that was I had beenin a relationship for a long
time, I was married and and itwas just this very clear to me
it was like I need to leave thisrelationship.
I need to really like take thetime to lean into understanding
(06:21):
myself and like why did I makecompromises in my life?
Why did I stay in relationshipthat didn't work?
Why was I?
You know cause from the outsideit was successful, but you know
there was.
There were some things thatwere really kind of lacking in a
way of of come to find outtruly being myself.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
And so I sought after a therapist and I swear like
total luck Like this is likeluck or the universe.
So I you know classic form, likeI rode a motorcycle at the time
.
So I get over there withoutlike a fucking second despair
before my consultation and walkin and she's this very kind of
(07:03):
quiet, demure woman and I'm like, in five minutes or less,
here's my life, what are wegonna do about it?
And she was like let meintroduce you to this process.
I do this kind of embodiedmindfulness work and I mean it
just landed so solidly that dayLike I was in tears.
(07:24):
I was like there's something tothis, there's a lot I need to
learn.
And so I got to work with her.
For you know, like it was ayear and a half of working with
her and and throughout that time, just integrating this
intuitively right In my own work.
And then she led me to trainingin somatic psychology,
including like Hakomi andinternal family systems, and
(07:45):
another one called recreation ofself, and another kind of
universal gift of anotherbreakup.
That put me on an airplane nextto someone who said hey, you
know, david Berselli is comingto Portland.
And I'm like I don't know whothat is.
They're like oh, I think you'dlike this course.
So then I trip into takingtrauma release exercise, like I
(08:08):
landed there and I was like thisis the most spectacular,
poignant, powerful continuing edI have ever done.
Right, so that was beautiful tolike start to have that to work
into.
You know what I was alreadydoing physically with people.
And then from there I went on tokind of study.
(08:29):
What I would call.
The underpinning of that isnervous system resiliency, which
is where I start with people,like giving them a really solid
understanding and framework androadmap of like this is my
experience of being me from thisplace, of you know what gears
my nervous system in, and so.
So that's just putting all ofthose things together is kind of
(08:52):
how I created this frameworkand and so now I get to work
with people in this way that Ijust I have them stand, I look
at what I call their alignmentand I coach them into this
process of authentic alignment.
I look at what I call theiralignment and I coach them into
this process of authenticalignment and and then notice
like what comes up in that, whatstories, what emotions, and
then work with people to be ableto navigate their nervous
(09:15):
systems with some differenttechniques, and and then I work
in the trauma field, so doingthe trauma release exercise.
So it's, it feels like a reallybeautiful journey to have, like
kind of just followed along andlanded here.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yeah, I mean you've been trusting your intuition and
being in the right place at theright time and seeing the signs
and following your way through.
So I'm so excited to have youhere and your rich wealth of
knowledge.
I was like, yes, rich wealth ofknowledge.
I was like yes, she will behelpful to help us shine some
(09:50):
light and answer this for ourcaller, our texter, exhausted
hustler.
Okay, are we ready to answer aquestion?
Let's do it, okay, high, honestfeedback.
I've spent most of my life beingthe capable one, the one who
handles things, gets it done,keeps everything moving.
Eldest daughter here, with allthe programs running.
(10:11):
Doing has always felt likesafety, like control.
But lately I've been waking upinside this life I built and
realizing I don't actually feelconnected to any of it.
I don't feel happy in myrelationship with my family and
the fancy job.
I've checked all the boxes, theaccomplishments, the success,
and I still feel numb.
I keep performing a version ofmyself that looks good on paper,
(10:35):
but inside I feel like a ghost,even when I'm alone.
I can't turn it off.
Rest feels threatening.
Stillness makes me anxious and,if I'm being honest, I'm scared
.
I don't know how to just be.
I don't even know who I amwithout all the doing,
especially when I'm surroundedby a life that still rewards the
(10:57):
hustle signed, exhaustedhustler.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I feel that, yes, familiar.
I mean, is that familiar to youguys as a place you've been in
your lives?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, I mean I have felt, I mean I'm an eldest
daughter, so one and like thereare certain things you know,
spent a lot of my life wearing amask and performing and it is
exhausting, and you're, myexperience was just being afraid
of like, if I let these platesstop spinning, then what?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah, and I can relate from the place of like
the stillness of not doing hasfelt uncomfortable.
We recently went on a cruisefor a friend's wedding and
Brittany's.
Like can you just stop learning?
Like can you just promise notto learn anything this week?
And I was like, okay, I'll try.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I'm like do nothing, Look pretty, but like, but you
know she, she loves growth andall the seminars and I'm just
like sometimes, what if we didnothing?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
you know, it's like it's a no.
It makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, like, like I said, like that,
that's been a familiar place forme too and I think it's just so
, so common, you know, in asociety that rewards going,
doing, striving, achievingbasically we're surviving our
lives versus actually likeliving and thriving.
(12:32):
Yeah yeah, and that's you know,it's when we, when we think
about the experience of rest,feeling threatening.
I just want to speak to thatfrom a nervous system
perspective.
So so the way that I classifyit is that that, how we feel in
any moment in any realm body,emotion, mental and essence
(12:56):
that's what it means to be me.
So these four realms of ourbeingness, how we feel in any of
those at any moment, is 100dependent on the gear of our
nervous system that we'redriving our life in.
And year one is that gear ofbeingness and of living and of
thriving where I said, you know,we flourish and we're in flow
and we can focus and we're freeto be ourselves.
(13:18):
Year two is that you know, we'veall heard of it fight, flight
or fawn.
And then that gear three iswhere we're in freeze or fold,
and that's that's kind of whatshe's describing is that little
ride between gear two and yearthree where it's like you try to
come into rest and there's alittle bit more quiet, but then
it leaves room for things tocome up so it can feel
(13:41):
threatening and anxietyproducing.
And I just want to name that,that when we feel that kind of
anxiety and that kind ofthreatening thing happen when
we're slowing down or doingsomething like breath, work or
whatever, that that your nervoussystem is a ladder and so that
if you are moving from thisplace of feeling like numb
(14:01):
inside and you slow down and youstart to feel stress or anxiety
or threat, that's actually morealiveness, the gear one where
it's like we're moving towardthe living and thriving, but,
but we're moving out of thiskind of checked out, no, and,
(14:22):
and so I just it's it can befeel very, um, threatening hard.
You know people like, ah, theanxiety is scarier than the
numbness in a way, and peoplecan be comfortably numb, right,
but that just kind of knowingthat I think sometimes it's
helpful for people that thatthat kind of rise in an
awareness of threat level, thatkind of hypervigilance is more
(14:45):
alive and it is toward actuallyliving and being.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
That is super helpful to know as someone who spent a
lot of time in a space ofnumbing and you know, just
sometimes we hear like, oh, theway to the other side is through
.
But you're like're like, oh, ifit's anxiety, that must I must
be going the wrong way.
You know what I mean.
You know you get fearful,you're like, well, this Doesn't
(15:11):
seem good, so I must have doneit wrong.
You know, I got a.
I gotta go back this way, backthrough numb, try a different
door.
And so it's just really helpfulto know that, like that's
actually moving closer to morealiveness, like energetically,
that does feel more energizingif you're in fight, like we're
moving, you know, as opposed tofreeze, we're still so, um, to
(15:35):
get to that space on the otherside yeah, it's that.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I think that awareness can be really helpful
for people, just having thatframework that offers this
compassionate understanding oflike, oh, I'm actually not an
anxious person, I'm anxiousbecause of something that
happened to me.
Right, I'm having an anxiousexperience at the moment because
my nervous system is stuck inthis gear, and so kind of
(16:06):
understanding that there isoptions to get out of that.
There are ways that we can likein the somatic work that I do
contact yourself move to be ableto downshift, have perspective,
to be able to make differentchoices and change Right.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah Well, how does one start?
So, like right now, she'sbasically saying I'm numb, I'm
in a life that I don't feelconnected to, like.
Where does she begin?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, so, um, this is fun.
Do you guys want to just playwith something?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Let's play with some things, let's do some things,
let's teach the audience, okay.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
So let's just we'll start off with one that's called
a butterfly hug, and this is,you know, just one of many, and
as I offer it, it's you know,lots of options.
Don't do anything that feelsuncomfortable in any way, but
I'll invite you to take yourhand, put them, palm towards you
, hook your thumbs and they'regoing to just land on your chest
.
Yeah, and just notice, rightaway, this feels connecting.
(17:11):
I like this.
Both of you close your eyesright away and just play with,
like the pressure of that, likewhat's just exactly the right
amount of pressure, yeah, andI'm already noticing some deeper
breaths just happening with you.
And if this is a butterfly, itmight its wings might lift and
(17:37):
lower, so just lifting one handaway like a wing and then
setting it back down and thenthe other hand up, and some
people really like this.
Some people don't like it atall.
They'd rather just stayconnected.
So, notice what's right for you, notice if there's any way that
(18:02):
you feel like she told me to dothis, so I should.
So allow yourself the choice.
Yeah, beautiful.
Yeah, just like that littlepetting that you did.
Lisette, like, yeah, just yeah,follow your instincts.
This is an opportunity to bewith yourself, yeah, and just
(18:25):
we're watching out for thosesigns of settling.
So in the body realm it mightfeel like a spontaneous, deeper
breath, yeah, just that kind oflike drop of the head that
happened there, and therelaxation, the little smile
Could be a tummy gurgle, lots ofextra credits for yawns always.
And so just bookmark whateverthat was in the body.
(18:49):
That was more of a shift towardyear one.
And then in an emotional realm,let's plant that.
So, oh, I noticed this thing inmy body.
I'm feeling a little bitdifferent, a little bit better
Emotionally.
What happens?
Just maybe it feels brighter,lighter, expansive.
It doesn't have to be an actualemotion, yeah, feel yourself,
(19:10):
nod your head, the yes, therightness of this, yes, and then
in the mental realm we're justwatching for just could be the
slightest bit slower, a littleless judgy, a little less
worried.
And then finally, in thatessence realm, our essence is
our, our beingness, ouruniqueness, our meanness, my,
(19:31):
our uniqueness, our meanness, myspirit, my soul, whatever you
want to call it.
And we want to ramp up theconnection in the essence of
feeling loving, spacious,attuned, attached, connected to
ourselves, attuned, attached,connected to ourselves.
(19:54):
And so just naming that it'slike, yeah, I'm here, I'm here
for me, and so I'll just let youboth kind of organically unwind
out of that, and then we canjust begin on yeah, how do you
(20:19):
feel?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
that was just absolutely lovely.
I forgot we were shooting apodcast.
Honestly, the energy of the dayof moving in and out, weaving
in and out of activities, justlike absolute stillness in my
mind, I found myself morepresent, emotionally just calm,
(20:40):
I guess, is what I woulddescribe it as.
And yeah, there was a presence,the most present I've been all
day.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Right yeah, and what about you?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, and what about you?
Yeah, I just noticed like agentleness and the slowing of
the breath and justenergetically it felt like
lighter, freer, calmer, calmerthoughts, you know, like
everything was just moretranquil, more presence.
Yeah, so good.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, and so.
So that's just one of many,many tools.
And in this, in this practice,I say that it's not about doing
something, this is about beingwith yourself, and I, I created
these things called B&E breaks,and so it's there.
There's there's a lot ofscience around embodied micro
(21:36):
practices and just these ways inwhich we give ourselves more
than just like a pause.
It's like, oh, I'm taking abreak.
No, it's like really intentional, and doing that for like two
minutes three to five times aday creates these moments where
we cultivate this beingness,where we check in and we really
(21:58):
like plant that experience inourselves by doing the BME
check-in.
And these little kind of I callthem, these little moments or
these bubbles of beingness thatwe visit three to five times a
day, just like stress, theystart to kind of like stick in
us and they build up and overtime not very long actually we
start to recognize oh, this iswho I am, not just someplace I
(22:24):
visit, and it starts to kind ofbuild resiliency and create this
downshift in the nervous systemthat it's like this is where
I'm living more of the time now,so when I get to the place of
feeling anxious or checked outor disconnected.
That's more on my awarenessbecause it's different than just
(22:46):
the oh.
This is just like the kind ofstuckness that I'm in.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah, my curiosity is like I love the stillness, I
love the moments.
You know, definitely ameditator and something that I
can relate to with this, withthe person who asked the
question is this like the hustleculture?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
right.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
They're like we're not rewarded for the moments of
stillness, we're rewarded forthe dollars that make my money
thermometer move and things ofthat nature.
So how would you help someoneseparate from that identity?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I think that that kind of goes into like why we
even get geared up in the firstplace, Right?
So as beings we are, it makessense that we thrive in this
year.
One nervous system state ofbeingness.
That's really who, who Ibelieve we all are on the inside
.
That anxiety and depression anddisconnection comes from when
(23:49):
we're living in a way that isnot connected with our own truth
.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
And our nervous system is developed mostly in
our first zero to seven yearsand our needs at that time are
for primarily, safety,attachment, attunement, autonomy
.
And if those needs are not metor there's some kind of
(24:16):
violation of what I would callthe universal imperatives and
I'll list those out for you in aminute.
But when we are not in syncwith these things, way before we
even have language, way beforewe even have language, our
nervous system is like oh, it'snot safe to be me, I can't cry,
(24:42):
I better be quiet.
Or I have to be perfect to getattention, or I have to know all
the right things, or whatever.
Our story is right, and it wasmy story right, when it's like I
have to go to school, get thegood grades, get out, do the job
, meet the person.
And it's like it was, it was mystory right, where it's like I
have to go to school, get thegood grades, get out, do the job
, meet the person you know.
And it's like I'm following inthe doing and not feeling safe
to listen to the friction ofwhat's inside of me.
(25:04):
It kind of weaves into thatsense of that awareness of like
of ferrying out these parts ofourselves right In an internal
family systems kind of language.
What part of me feels unsafe?
To slow down?
(25:24):
Right, I've been ingrained inthese messages of doing and
producing and making money andthat is that's supposedly what
creates safety.
Right, yeah, but but really,when we work ourselves, like
when we come back home intoourselves that year, one is all
(25:45):
about safety and the number onepart of being safe is not not
running from tigers, like wehear.
Right, it's like that's nothappening in most people's lives
.
Safety and freedom to be ourauthentic selves yeah, and these
practices and kind of beyondwhat I just showed you and we
could practice, actually, I'dlove to show you another one in
a minute that's a little bitdeeper, but these practices are
(26:09):
about I am valuing myself forbeing.
I am coming home to myself.
I am paying attention not tojust myself in the moment, but
what I call the through line ofour life.
Our system is our through line.
When we're feeling thatdiscomfort, that unsafety, it's
like who is uncomfortableDeveloping this relationship
(26:32):
with like?
Who is uncomfortable developingthis relationship with like?
I learned that when I was five.
Yeah, and and and.
There's ways in which I workwith people to develop these
relationships with their pastselves, so you become what I
call the superhero of your ownlife.
Right, yeah, yourself, you'recreating different experiences.
Be like, watch this, I'm goingto calm myself down just a
(26:53):
little bit.
I'm gonna I'm gonna actuallysay no to this thing that I
really don't want to go to but Ishould go to.
And then, and then it's likeyou have this little kind of
agreement with this younger partof yourself.
It's like, okay, I'm gonna say,no, let's see how this goes,
just let me, I'm gonna right.
And then you, then you kind ofplant that experience of like
we're gonna stay to stay hometonight.
Look at that Like.
I just checking in again body,emotion, mental lessons, like
(27:15):
this is different, yeah, and sothat awareness brings choice and
it brings the opportunity toconnect, and so this is I just
want to you know name that it'sa.
It's a much bigger rewrite thango to yoga.
Do EMDR much bigger rewritethan go to yoga.
(27:37):
Do EMDR right, yes, right.
It's like you are reallycreating opportunities to be
with yourself, for yourself,connected to yourself and
building that safety that maybeyou never had growing up.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Yeah, so I would love you know,cause I've heard a lot about
internal family systems andwould you share with the
audience someone who may nothave ever heard of this just a
little overview of what that isand what that means.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, so internal family systems is a, it's part
of what's called a like, it's asomatic framework, so it's based
on the belief that our nervoussystem, it lives in our body and
it's what, it's our sense ofsafety and it's what tracks all
of our experiences.
And so internal family system is, it's it's parts, work where it
, it is a way in which we fromin their language called this
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like my self, energy, my core,true aligned self that really
has this.
Maybe there are these sparklymoments of like that's who I am,
that's what's right for me,this is true, like that's the
self, right, and then noticingthat when we get triggered in
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certain ways or we findourselves living our lives in
ways that we're like and itdoesn't feel right we, we begin
to know these other parts ofourselves, the beliefs that they
hold, how they show up at times, and it's through this way of
developing relationship and, intimes, actually rescuing right.
There might be this way in which, like when I work with people,
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I work with them in, I combinethese things.
So I do trauma release exercise.
So people are literally liketremoring on the ground and this
like release reflex, and thenthat brings up similar to
psychedelics, memory, emotion,and it's like, oh my God, it's
in my stomach, it's this, whatis that?
And it becomes this memory,this belief system, and so.
(29:33):
So then we're working on,actually, from the self energy,
envisioning going back, meetingthat part of yourself, you know,
being with them, hearing them,feeling them, rescuing them in
the long run, pulling them outof there.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And so.
So it's just incrediblypowerful, beautiful work and
it's you know, it's.
It's developed by this guy,dick Schwartz.
I can't even tell you how longago he started doing this, but
it is.
You know, it's being touted nowby Bessel van der Kolk, who
wrote the Body Keeps the Score.
(30:10):
He's like it's really the onlytherapy that works.
It is very different than juststraightforward talk therapy.
It's very different thancognitive behavioral therapy.
It's really not trying to fixyourself.
It's noticing these parts thatare frustrated, that are angry,
that are whatever, and thatthose parts all have a purpose,
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they're all trying to make ussafe and that there's never any
part that's bad.
So we kind of correct thatshame, we correct the wrong.
It's like we move intorewriting our experience with
compassion and love andconnection.
Wow, yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Oh, that's great.
That's a great overview andexplanation.
Wow, yeah, oh, that's great.
That's a great overview andexplanation.
Yeah, oh, yes, I just want topick up a thread before we lose
it, cause I'm a listener thisway.
So earlier you mentioned, um,something that you a list you
would tell us about later.
I it sounded like it'ssomething like oh, at birth, if
these things aren't met, yeah,so I call these universal
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imperatives, that's it.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
And they are just like the ises, so like I'll say
these and then just noticeyourselves and for the audience
here, like like what happens foryou?
Maybe you even have a bodilyreaction, maybe you get chills,
you know whatever it is, and sothere, there, some might really
resonate and some there might be.
I wish there was more of thatin my life, right, so okay,
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safety, love, connection, truth,integrity, wholeness, rightness
, like that sense of like yes,that's right, not I'm right
right beingness, belonging,worthiness, freedom, empowerment
(32:05):
and harmony, and like this iseverybody's like, nodding their
heads, nobody's like, you know,no, thank you.
Actually I'm not reallyinterested.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
No, I'll skip the worthiness.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
And some of these can be feel really yummy.
And then there's also you know,with people that I'm working
with, it's like some of themlike they bring you to tears.
It's like, well, I don't evenknow what worthiness is and but
you're sad, right?
The part of you that really isyour true self is sad and knows
that there's something rightabout worthiness, right, even if
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there's, like this longingthat's who you are or a craving
for something, there's alwayssome level of awareness of these
things, right.
And so I use these as um in inthis practice that I call
authentic alignment and andreally like physically embodying
these pieces.
So I'm happy to walk you guysthrough that if you want to play
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with another technique.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, yeah, I'm open.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I'm open for anything .
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Let's do it.
Let's do it, okay, so we'regoing to stand.
All right, so we're here, okay,great.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
So remember, as we're starting like you're not doing
anything, this can feel a littlechallenging physically
sometimes because it's differentthan how we usually stand.
Okay, so I'm going to inviteyou to shift about 60% of your
weight into your heels.
So often it can feel off,kilter right.
So often when we're like we'reliterally ahead of ourselves and
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actually can you guys turnsideways for me and then I can
cue you through some yep, doesit notice a face at each other?
Whatever works for you guys, butyeah, that way I have a better
one yeah, yeah, just invitingyourself into your heels, and
about 60% you wait there andabout 40% in the front of your
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foot.
So like the ball of your bigtoe.
Imagine you're reaching thatdown.
And so, as you reach that down,you feel your foot.
So like the ball of your bigtoe.
Imagine you're reaching thatdown.
And so, as you reach that down,you feel your foot start to get
alive, right, yeah?
And so this is where you'replugging into your charging
station.
So, being on your heels, I'mgoing to tell a story.
As we go through this, I'mcoming home to myself.
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I'm worth staying with, I'mworth standing up for Plugging
your feet into your chargingstation.
We're plugging into theuniversal imperatives.
I'll say them again Safety,love, connection, truth,
integrity, wholeness, rightness,beingness, belonging,
worthiness, freedom, empowerment, harmony.
So plug into that whole rainbowor plug into whatever feels
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especially resonant for you, butyou're drawing that energy up
inside.
As you come to your knees, ifyou tend to lock your knees,
give them a little bit of anunlock.
You're saying to yourself I'mresponse able, I'm not stuck,
I'm not locked, I'm not rigid,I'm flexible, I can go with the
flow.
Bring your attention to yourpelvis and think about how you
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pull your tailbone under andyour belly button up, so these
two bones on the front of yourhips face forward like a
flashlight.
So so many of us have ourpelvis tipped down and forward
and our back overarched.
So as we're doing that you'rethinking about, I'm creating
stability in my body and in mylife.
You can start to feel with thathow there's a little bit of
(35:46):
like work in the core, andusually in the lower core, and
then invite that up, so like ifthat's an elevator that comes up
, you want to bring it into yourribs.
And, brittany, I'll just sayyou're leaning back from your
upper back.
So if you bring, you're showingme this about stacking yourself
so that you are like not behindyourself.
(36:08):
But yeah, do you feel howthat's different?
Yeah, yeah, more connectioninto that the ribs right in the
front there.
So you've got this kind of likea, like a zipper from the
pelvis to the ribs.
And this is where this is youressence, this is your solar
plexus.
It's like I trust my gut, I'mlistening to myself, I'm staying
with myself, or I want to trustmy gut if that's not true for
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you, and then bringing yourhands there to that space, yeah,
and this is where your essence,your gifts are.
Like how you want to show up inthe world and turn your hands,
palm up good, and then you'regoing to start to spin your arms
out to the side, right, so palmup comes out to the side and
it's like, as you do, thatyou're spreading your wings and
you feel your shoulder bladeswrap back at the same time.
(36:52):
Stay connected to the ribs,right.
Stay connected to your essence,right, so you can feel that
work in your back.
Like I've got my back.
I want to fly from here.
You can let your arms rest downby your side, but keep your
palms facing forward in thesense of like, presence and
openness.
Do you feel how that opens yourheart?
Like I'm courageouslyvulnerable right, it's too
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intense.
Put your hand on your heart,bring your hand back to your
body, but just notice thatopenness.
You've got your own back.
You can open your heart.
This opens your throat where youcan say to yourself I'm going
to say what I feel, I'm going tosay what I need, I'm going to
stand up and say what's rightfor me, and then you're tall
from the top of your head, likeI'm holding my head high for
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myself, for all of myself andfrom this place, my eyes, even
if they're closed, they'reforward on the horizon, right,
it gives me a wide perspectiveand I trust myself, rooted in
the core of my being, that lifewill come to me.
And it's from this place,connected to myself, my essence,
my truth, that I am going tochoose the next right thing, the
(38:02):
next right thing, the nextright thing.
We're sourced and we're at homein ourselves.
And this is the home of yourbelonging, this is the home of
your being.
And take and gather that andbring it back into yourself.
So, a hand on your heart and ahand on that kind of upper belly
area, right.
(38:23):
And if there's anything youwant to say to yourself,
noticing here in the body whatfeels different, what feels
right, maybe there's a sense ofstrength, maybe there's a sense
of connection, noticeemotionally how you feel here In
(38:44):
the mental space, and then,finally, in the sense of like,
yeah, in my essence, beingconnected to self.
Okay, and again, I'll just letyou hang out there as long as
you wish, or else kind of unwindout of that and let's talk
about how that was well, oh yeahgreat Yay, great Yay, wow, how
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was it for you?
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Incredibly grounding yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
I feel again, there's like just an added presence in
my body that I didn't havebefore.
And alignment, yes, claritybeautiful.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, I call this authentic alignment, and that's
you know what you're describingthere, lisette, with the clear.
It's like we can be clear whenour nervous system is in that
gear, one that's where we haveclarity, we have perspective, we
have focus, we have right yeahyeah, it was very beautiful.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I loved, um, as you were guiding us through and each
part, like opened as it, as itbuilt, it's stacked, and so then
the next one was like ready tobe there, and it was interesting
, um, having a shift our weightinto the like 60% into the heels
, um, and like when you're like,a lot of times we're like ahead
(40:28):
of ourselves and I noticed I'vehad a tendency to have anxiety,
which is fear of the future,and just noticing if, like, if
all my energy is towards in thefuture.
I'm not in the present, youknow, and feeling that in my
body was just like a differentexperience of feeling that.
Yeah, it was a really beautifulpractice.
(40:49):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Welcome, you're welcome, and that's that's one
of the ones that I think is themost powerful.
And it's free, right.
It's just like you have yourbody right, you can, you can
just, and and you know, we tooka little bit of time with it,
but once you get it down, it's,it happens pretty quickly.
And then then you know, like myclients that are like we have
these like micro, micro breakswhere you're, just like you know
(41:13):
, standing there and you're like, oh, on my heels, right, that's
just as soon as you zip backinto that, it's like the whole
thing connects.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
And I think that this is a really beautiful practice.
And, um, you know, when we talkabout these be me breaks,
there's like the ABCs of the beme break and it, you know,
alignment or attunement, um,like we did with the butterfly,
um, attunement, like we did withthe butterfly, attachment
connection.
The B is you know what's thebody language of what I'm doing
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and the C is the checking in.
So like circling back to thatbe me, like what's it like to be
me now, not just doingsomething and going on to the
next thing.
I think that's where we getlost, right, it's like, oh, I
did the breathing and it didn'treally change anything.
Or I did the whatever.
I didn't have that whole cycleof I'm choosing to be with
myself, I'm actually doing theactivity, right.
Then we have, like I justfinished the activity and it's
(42:12):
like now I'm going to plant whathappened with that and it was
like a really important part toreally notice how that's landing
in all of the realms of ourexperience.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
I feel like the overarching message is slow down
, slow down, and so we canactually be present with what is
going on.
And for our listener who wrotein, who's feeling disconnected
from their life and feeling likethey're surrounded by all this
energy of hustling, like theinvitation being like okay, so
(42:50):
you're noticing, you're notfeeling connected, can you slow
down and see what else you'renoticing, and see what else is
there and see what else you'renoticing and see what else is
there and asking yourself what?
What would it mean to be inalignment, like you know, trying
some of these exercises thatyou gifted, um, and feeling how
that feels and just seeing whatcomes up from that space?
Speaker 1 (43:11):
and I will just name that.
Like it is not an uncommonthing to have people come into
my studio and we do this workand we, we, I coach them through
this alignment.
Tears, right, like you know,this kind of sense of like I
haven't been home in myself.
Be home in myself, right andworth, creating the environment,
(43:31):
the safety, the time, right, so, and it will bring things up
right.
That's, that's kind of whathappens when you know like we
talked a little bit the otherday but you're like like when
you choose to come into yourself, other things fall off.
Yes, jobs, right.
It's like cleaning house, right.
(43:52):
So it's like that we have to.
Really, you know, when we comeinto ourselves and trust that
when we do that, when we're inour own authentic alignment,
that is where we magnetizeourselves, who and what we need.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah, well, not to put you on the spot, but kind of
experience of allowing yourselfto come into alignment and
being in that shift of myexternal world is starting to
change and shift because I'mchoosing to live in my own
(44:25):
alignment and that moment, whileyou're magnetizing what is in
alignment, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
So yeah, I've.
I've had, you know, a lot ofexperiences around like just
knowing that I needed to closemy practice in Eugene and move
to Portland, having like a senseof I mean, at this point in
time, I use this as a tool, Idon't make decisions, I feel
what's right.
So, but but yes, you know, in incoming into this, it's like
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relationships a lot of timesthat don't work, or at least
being able to like say in wayslike this is really challenging
for me.
This is, this is what I'mfeeling and what I need Right,
whereas in the past I might havejust kind of like gone along,
put my head down, done the, donethe thing, right.
But I think that that's, youknow.
Moving here to Portland, kindof you know choices and like
(45:16):
again, like relationship, thatthat's been my biggest and those
are hard right, because we, ifwe think that safety is in the
relationship that we're in orthe job that we're in, and you
know I'll tell you, a huge oneis that three years ago I closed
my practice, like I was a PTfor all of these years, had a
thriving business, and I'm likeyears had a thriving business
(45:43):
and I'm like I am notwholeheartedly feeling this, I'm
not in full alignment withmyself.
I'm good at this, but I, I, my,my wholeness has a whole other
piece right that I can't, youknow, shove this into a little
bit of icing on the cake.
With the people that I'mworking with, I need to like
step out, lean out and come intolike this is who I am, this is
what I'm doing, and you knowthat's took, like you know,
(46:07):
upwards of three years and I'mI'm building my practice back,
but it's like, it's a big thingto be, like I walked away from
like a nine month waiting list.
This is where I'm at and Icouldn't feel happier about it.
I love what I get to do.
It feels like a gift.
It really is trusting in thatsense of alignment, gut, heart
and head on the same team.
(46:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yeah, I thank you so much for sharing vulnerably from
your own life your experience,cause I feel like it it.
I know it helps myself when youhear someone else's personal
story of choosing themselves andand life working out like
you're alive, you're well, youhave a practice.
I met your cute dog, like youknow, and I like I.
(46:53):
I share this story with you.
When lisette and I, in thepandemic, sold all our stuff and
decided to live out of hertruck and go on the road with no
plan.
And people were like that soundsbatshit.
And we were like, yeah, butlike something about it is
feeling.
It's feeling more right thanstaying with where I am, and so
(47:16):
I don't know what's on the otherside, but I know it's no longer
this.
And so, having that courage tomove towards what's in alignment
and you know, I'm always a bigfan of like wherever I'm going,
it's going to be better,wherever I'm going, it's going
to be better and so, you know,trusting and believing that I'm
(47:37):
only moving towards what'sbetter for me and I love that
you brought in that word of like, wholeness, like I'm good at
this thing, but I'm not feelingwhole, you know.
And so allowing ourselves, likeshe said, I have the job and
the relationship and the things,and it's like that's fine and
it's fine, but if you're notfeeling whole, what else could
(48:03):
there be for you?
Right?
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Yeah, and just what you're saying, like that idea of
, of, like when we're inalignment right, I call that
practice authentic alignmentwe're literally in a place of
being, we're surfing the edge ofthe unfolding, right, it's
trusting in the unknown andrecognize we really don't have a
lot of control anyway, right,but that's, that's where.
(48:27):
But to be in that place ofbeing, like I trust myself
moment to moment to make thenext right decision next right
decision?
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Yeah, yes, yeah.
I think what really struck meand just I love it is that you
said you don't make decisions.
You feel what's right.
Is that how you?
I was just like yes, okay,goals Cause you can.
You can decide and logic yourway into, into staying small,
into staying small, you can lookyour way staying in that
relationship, but to feel thetruth and follow it, that's a
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gift.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
I've been wrong in doing that right.
It's when I've questioned itthat I have not.
It hasn't worked out in theright way.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Yeah, been there.
This is the quote unquote smarton paper thing to do, miserable
Like looking for the exits, nothappy.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
I have a question for you, cause I, we, we get it a
lot and it's like you talk aboutthe heart, the mind, heart and
gut being connected, when I'vehad clients and people ask me
how do you know the differencebetween like I feel, like I have
a gut hit, or it's actuallyanxiety?
You know and it's it's when arewhen do you know the alignment
(49:51):
versus like?
Oh, I got a bad feeling aboutthis, but maybe it's anxiety per
se.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yeah, that's a great question and I would go back to
that sense of, of that internalfamily systems type of framework
where it's like what, what'shappening?
Like, is it anxiety?
Who's anxious about what?
Is that actually true?
Like so in this place of like,from this place of witnessing
being like, is it true?
Do I need to be anxious aboutthat?
(50:17):
Okay, I'm listening to you, I'mhearing that.
Is it you place of like, fromthis place of witnessing being
like is it true?
Do I need to be anxious aboutthat?
Okay, I'm listening to you, I'mhearing that.
Is it you know?
Like, do we need to exit?
Do we need to stay?
Do we need to?
You know, like from from thiswhatever five-year-old
perspective, right, but feelingheard in that and being like
actually, when I sense intomyself, when I get into this
alignment and this is a gamechanger I promise you to
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practice this authenticalignment, really feeling like,
rooted in and sensing in thoseuniversal imperatives like
safety is ringing for me today,worthy is ringing for me today.
That's how you sense into, like, that's what's landing
authentically, and anxiety isoften kind of the opposite of
one of those imperatives thatisn't being met.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
Thank you, that's actually very clear.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Oh, this is such a great, great, great conversation
.
I just want to thank you somuch for sharing your wisdom,
your wealth of knowledge, withour community and like practices
that one can take home, Likewhat a gift If someone our
listener or others want to reachyou on a find out more about
(51:26):
what you do, how can they findyou?
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Um, I have a website.
I'm here in Portland and I workum one-on-one and also online.
Uh, you can find me atbecomebodywiseconsultingcom, and
on there there's all kinds ofthings about the Be Me Break and
how you can develop that.
The framework is there.
There's a free, authenticalignment guided practice.
(51:52):
You can learn about one-to-onecoaching.
I have an online course.
I do some speaking and someretreats, so you can find out
all the ways to find me on thatwebsite.
And I'm also on social.
You can find the links on thewebsite too.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Fantastic, we will definitely make sure to have
those in the show notes.
And yeah, if there was anyoverarching message or anything,
you would want someone.
If there was one nugget youwanted someone to take from this
conversation, what would thatbe?
That you're worth being with?
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Yeah, that's like this is like to really come home
to yourself and, you know,become all of who you are.
I love that word become,because it starts with B and it
ends with me right, it's likewe've always been there, and so
that I think that knowing becomebecause it starts with B and it
ends with me, right, it's likewe've always been there, and so
I think that knowing that it isnot only possible, it's actually
(52:45):
quite powerful and fairly easyto be able to tap into these.
You know, what we're seeing inscience is proof of like, oh,
this is how I come home tomyself.
So, to believe that it'spossible, to know that you're
worth it and show up foryourself, I promise it works.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
Gosh, that's so good.
I learned so much from youtoday.
Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
Yeah, this is incredible, and I already can
think of so many people I wouldsend in your direction, because
embodiment work is so powerful.
So thank you for doing theLord's work.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Really fun.
I love the conversation and itwas really fun to like guide you
guys through and just to beable to witness and and support
you in that and it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Fantastic.
Oh, so good.
Well, thank you so much andwe'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
I am blown away by Megan.
I told you you did, you did.
You're like we got to have heron here.
Well, first of all, I justthere's so much I didn't know
about somatics and nervoussystem regulation, what she
taught us about IFS.
Like I am just, I love learning.
(53:58):
You know this about me.
Have you guys heard that I lovelearning.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
Do you guys know?
Speaker 3 (54:01):
Lissette loves learning.
I love learning, and this onewas chock full of learning and
exercises.
Like we can actually apply thisin our lives.
I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
I am so excited and I feel so grateful that this
caller trusted us with theirquestion and with what's going
on in their life, because, Imean, I have been in that
experience where you're like,well, nothing's working right.
So like maybe I'll try talktherapy or someone's at this
about MDMR, like maybe I shouldtry this diet Keto helps, I
don't know.
But like having, have you hadenough protein, have you?
(54:32):
had enough protein, yes, but, um, having this kind of body of
work and you know, I'm all aboutthe embodiment practices but
when we get our body online andwe actually start to understand
and work with our body, that iswhere we can really create this
lasting change, and so I feel sograteful that she taught us I
mean, try these techniques out.
(54:53):
If you weren't doing them withus in real time, like, save this
episode and come back to it andtry these exercises out.
They you weren't doing themwith us in real time.
Save this episode and come backto it and try these exercises
out.
They really are something.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
Yeah, I'm feeling that alignment, what she said
about the decision.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Oh yes, the decision quote that she doesn't make
decisions.
She feels into what's right.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
She feels into what's right.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
Yeah, she's like oh.
Speaker 3 (55:18):
God, yes, I'm scanning it, putting in my
neurology.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Yes, living that life right now.
Speaker 3 (55:25):
Yeah, she is just incredible.
So happy to have her on.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
Absolutely.
If you want to find more abouther, her links are in the show
notes.
You know where it is.
Well, it's a great time tosubscribe, to tell a friend and
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you can see, we have an amazingwealth of community.
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So we are always happy to phonea friend and bring on the best
of the best to support you withwhatever it is that you are
moving through.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
Yeah, and until we meet again, be honest with each
other.
Bye.
That's been a familiar place for me too, and I
think it's just so, so common,you know, in a society that
rewards going, doing, striving,achieving.
Basically we're surviving ourlives moment by moment, versus
actually like living andthriving.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Welcome to Honest Feedback, the podcast where deep
truth meets bold transformation.
I'm Goddess Brittany King, apleasure priestess and a
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Through personal All right.
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Welcome back to Honest Feedback Podcast.
We've got a really deliciousjuicy episode for you here today
, and we're talking aboutnervous system regulation.
Yes, yeah.
What do you got to say aboutthat?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I mean, it's all the rage how do you regulate your
nervous system?
And it can be a lot, lot,especially when you're like
living life.
You're.
We're in america, there's a lotof hustling there's a lot of
achieving.
Yeah, there's a lot ofachieving, and so what if you
wake up and you're just like Idon't know if this is me, yeah,
what do I do?
(01:58):
How do I?
How do I live?
How do I, how do I existthrough this?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
yeah, you know there's a.
There was a funny meme goingaround that's like am I
depressed or am I just living inAmerica in 2025?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Ooh shots fired.
We're in America, so they'reactually shots fired.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yes and yeah, I will refrain from the other joke that
I have.
Oh, because, well, I'm reallyexcited because this person is
incredible.
Do you want to tell us a littlebit about Megan?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yes.
Well, megan is an awesome human.
We got to hang out and I got totalk to her about her life and
her story and meet herincredible dog, and so I was
like you have to be on thepodcast because we have a
question for you.
So Megan Mosley is the founderof Body Wise Consulting and the
creator of the art and scienceof being me.
(02:50):
She synthesizes over 35 yearsof experience as a physical
therapist with deep training insomatic psychology, and she
holds certificates in nervoussystem resiliency and trauma
release, exercise and bodycoaching resiliency and trauma
release, exercise and bodycoaching.
She is a stand-up human beingand just a wealth of knowledge,
(03:11):
and I am so, so grateful that weget to have her on the podcast
this week.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, definitely.
And with that said, let's giveMegan a call.
All right, let's call her.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Hi, megan, we're so happy to have you.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Hey Brittany, hey Lissette, Really excited to be
here.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Oh my gosh, what an honor to have you here in the
space in the virtual studio.
In the virtual studio, well, wejust shared with everyone your
bio.
But in your own words, how doyou serve, how do you help
people?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
words like how do you serve, how do you help people?
I call myself a body-mindintegrated therapist and so I
love to work with people incoaching and consulting and
doing some speaking work aroundhelping them come into authentic
alignment with the core truthof who they are, and my work is
around integrating physicaltherapy with somatic psychology
and somatic techniques to donervous system resiliency, and
(04:09):
I'm trained in trauma releaseexercise and we can talk more
about that in a minute, butthat's super cool.
And so I've put all of thistogether in a way that I've
created a framework called theart and science of being me, and
I help people cultivatebeingness like that state of
being safe in themselves andpresent and engaged and really
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understanding from a nervoussystem perspective, that that is
where we function, where wefeel fulfilled, where we are in
flow state and can focus andwhere we feel free to be our
authentic selves.
And so that's, I think, wherelife, leadership, connection,
relationship, everything needsto come from that place of
driving our lives in that yearone nervous system of beingness.
(04:55):
So that's what I help peoplefind.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Ah, amazing.
It's in our title to humanbeings.
It's in our title too humanbeings.
Oh, that's incredible.
So what led you to this space?
So this beautiful integrationof all of these different titles
.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I feel really grateful that my kind of arrival
at this point in my life hascome through just a really
beautiful parallel of my ownpersonal interests and my own
personal evolution with mycareer.
And you know, I started out mybackground is I'll date myself
like 35 years as a physicaltherapist and specializing in
meticulous alignment and reallyfeeling like I'm really dealing
with the whole being here.
I'm really like that was mygoal, bottom of the foot to top
of the head.
And when I turned 40, I wasjust at this place where you
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know I'd done all the things.
I had checked all the boxes, Idid well in school, I had the
career, I had my own business, Ihad all of this stuff and I
just wasn't like feeling theyummies.
And part of that was I had beenin a relationship for a long
time, I was married and and itwas just this very clear to me
it was like I need to leave thisrelationship.
I need to really like take thetime to lean into understanding
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myself and like why did I makecompromises in my life?
Why did I stay in relationshipthat didn't work?
Why was I?
You know cause from the outsideit was successful, but you know
there was.
There were some things thatwere really kind of lacking in a
way of of come to find outtruly being myself.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
And so I sought after a therapist and I swear like
total luck Like this is likeluck or the universe.
So I you know classic form, likeI rode a motorcycle at the time
.
So I get over there withoutlike a fucking second despair
before my consultation and walkin and she's this very kind of
(07:03):
quiet, demure woman and I'm like, in five minutes or less,
here's my life, what are wegonna do about it?
And she was like let meintroduce you to this process.
I do this kind of embodiedmindfulness work and I mean it
just landed so solidly that dayLike I was in tears.
(07:24):
I was like there's something tothis, there's a lot I need to
learn.
And so I got to work with her.
For you know, like it was ayear and a half of working with
her and and throughout that time, just integrating this
intuitively right In my own work.
And then she led me to trainingin somatic psychology,
including like Hakomi andinternal family systems, and
(07:45):
another one called recreation ofself, and another kind of
universal gift of anotherbreakup.
That put me on an airplane nextto someone who said hey, you
know, david Berselli is comingto Portland.
And I'm like I don't know whothat is.
They're like oh, I think you'dlike this course.
So then I trip into takingtrauma release exercise, like I
(08:08):
landed there and I was like thisis the most spectacular,
poignant, powerful continuing edI have ever done.
Right, so that was beautiful tolike start to have that to work
into.
You know what I was alreadydoing physically with people.
And then from there I went on tokind of study.
(08:29):
What I would call.
The underpinning of that isnervous system resiliency, which
is where I start with people,like giving them a really solid
understanding and framework androadmap of like this is my
experience of being me from thisplace, of you know what gears
my nervous system in, and so.
So that's just putting all ofthose things together is kind of
(08:52):
how I created this frameworkand and so now I get to work
with people in this way that Ijust I have them stand, I look
at what I call their alignmentand I coach them into this
process of authentic alignment.
I look at what I call theiralignment and I coach them into
this process of authenticalignment and and then notice
like what comes up in that, whatstories, what emotions, and
then work with people to be ableto navigate their nervous
(09:15):
systems with some differenttechniques, and and then I work
in the trauma field, so doingthe trauma release exercise.
So it's, it feels like a reallybeautiful journey to have, like
kind of just followed along andlanded here.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yeah, I mean you've been trusting your intuition and
being in the right place at theright time and seeing the signs
and following your way through.
So I'm so excited to have youhere and your rich wealth of
knowledge.
I was like, yes, rich wealth ofknowledge.
I was like yes, she will behelpful to help us shine some
(09:50):
light and answer this for ourcaller, our texter, exhausted
hustler.
Okay, are we ready to answer aquestion?
Let's do it, okay, high, honestfeedback.
I've spent most of my life beingthe capable one, the one who
handles things, gets it done,keeps everything moving.
Eldest daughter here, with allthe programs running.
(10:11):
Doing has always felt likesafety, like control.
But lately I've been waking upinside this life I built and
realizing I don't actually feelconnected to any of it.
I don't feel happy in myrelationship with my family and
the fancy job.
I've checked all the boxes, theaccomplishments, the success,
and I still feel numb.
I keep performing a version ofmyself that looks good on paper,
(10:35):
but inside I feel like a ghost,even when I'm alone.
I can't turn it off.
Rest feels threatening.
Stillness makes me anxious and,if I'm being honest, I'm scared
.
I don't know how to just be.
I don't even know who I amwithout all the doing,
especially when I'm surroundedby a life that still rewards the
(10:57):
hustle signed, exhaustedhustler.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I feel that, yes, familiar.
I mean, is that familiar to youguys as a place you've been in
your lives?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, I mean I have felt, I mean I'm an eldest
daughter, so one and like thereare certain things you know,
spent a lot of my life wearing amask and performing and it is
exhausting, and you're, myexperience was just being afraid
of like, if I let these platesstop spinning, then what?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah, and I can relate from the place of like
the stillness of not doing hasfelt uncomfortable.
We recently went on a cruisefor a friend's wedding and
Brittany's.
Like can you just stop learning?
Like can you just promise notto learn anything this week?
And I was like, okay, I'll try.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I'm like do nothing, Look pretty, but like, but you
know she, she loves growth andall the seminars and I'm just
like sometimes, what if we didnothing?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
you know, it's like it's a no.
It makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, like, like I said, like that,
that's been a familiar place forme too and I think it's just so
, so common, you know, in asociety that rewards going,
doing, striving, achievingbasically we're surviving our
lives versus actually likeliving and thriving.
(12:32):
Yeah yeah, and that's you know,it's when we, when we think
about the experience of rest,feeling threatening.
I just want to speak to thatfrom a nervous system
perspective.
So so the way that I classifyit is that that, how we feel in
any moment in any realm body,emotion, mental and essence
(12:56):
that's what it means to be me.
So these four realms of ourbeingness, how we feel in any of
those at any moment, is 100dependent on the gear of our
nervous system that we'redriving our life in.
And year one is that gear ofbeingness and of living and of
thriving where I said, you know,we flourish and we're in flow
and we can focus and we're freeto be ourselves.
(13:18):
Year two is that you know, we'veall heard of it fight, flight
or fawn.
And then that gear three iswhere we're in freeze or fold,
and that's that's kind of whatshe's describing is that little
ride between gear two and yearthree where it's like you try to
come into rest and there's alittle bit more quiet, but then
it leaves room for things tocome up so it can feel
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threatening and anxietyproducing.
And I just want to name that,that when we feel that kind of
anxiety and that kind ofthreatening thing happen when
we're slowing down or doingsomething like breath, work or
whatever, that that your nervoussystem is a ladder and so that
if you are moving from thisplace of feeling like numb
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inside and you slow down and youstart to feel stress or anxiety
or threat, that's actually morealiveness, the gear one where
it's like we're moving towardthe living and thriving, but,
but we're moving out of thiskind of checked out, no, and,
(14:22):
and so I just it's it can befeel very, um, threatening hard.
You know people like, ah, theanxiety is scarier than the
numbness in a way, and peoplecan be comfortably numb, right,
but that just kind of knowingthat I think sometimes it's
helpful for people that thatthat kind of rise in an
awareness of threat level, thatkind of hypervigilance is more
(14:45):
alive and it is toward actuallyliving and being.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
That is super helpful to know as someone who spent a
lot of time in a space ofnumbing and you know, just
sometimes we hear like, oh, theway to the other side is through
.
But you're like're like, oh, ifit's anxiety, that must I must
be going the wrong way.
You know what I mean.
You know you get fearful,you're like, well, this Doesn't
(15:11):
seem good, so I must have doneit wrong.
You know, I got a.
I gotta go back this way, backthrough numb, try a different
door.
And so it's just really helpfulto know that, like that's
actually moving closer to morealiveness, like energetically,
that does feel more energizingif you're in fight, like we're
moving, you know, as opposed tofreeze, we're still so, um, to
(15:35):
get to that space on the otherside yeah, it's that.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I think that awareness can be really helpful
for people, just having thatframework that offers this
compassionate understanding oflike, oh, I'm actually not an
anxious person, I'm anxiousbecause of something that
happened to me.
Right, I'm having an anxiousexperience at the moment because
my nervous system is stuck inthis gear, and so kind of
(16:06):
understanding that there isoptions to get out of that.
There are ways that we can likein the somatic work that I do
contact yourself move to be ableto downshift, have perspective,
to be able to make differentchoices and change Right.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah Well, how does one start?
So, like right now, she'sbasically saying I'm numb, I'm
in a life that I don't feelconnected to, like.
Where does she begin?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, so, um, this is fun.
Do you guys want to just playwith something?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Let's play with some things, let's do some things,
let's teach the audience, okay.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
So let's just we'll start off with one that's called
a butterfly hug, and this is,you know, just one of many, and
as I offer it, it's you know,lots of options.
Don't do anything that feelsuncomfortable in any way, but
I'll invite you to take yourhand, put them, palm towards you
, hook your thumbs and they'regoing to just land on your chest
.
Yeah, and just notice, rightaway, this feels connecting.
(17:11):
I like this.
Both of you close your eyesright away and just play with,
like the pressure of that, likewhat's just exactly the right
amount of pressure, yeah, andI'm already noticing some deeper
breaths just happening with you.
And if this is a butterfly, itmight its wings might lift and
(17:37):
lower, so just lifting one handaway like a wing and then
setting it back down and thenthe other hand up, and some
people really like this.
Some people don't like it atall.
They'd rather just stayconnected.
So, notice what's right for you, notice if there's any way that
(18:02):
you feel like she told me to dothis, so I should.
So allow yourself the choice.
Yeah, beautiful.
Yeah, just like that littlepetting that you did.
Lisette, like, yeah, just yeah,follow your instincts.
This is an opportunity to bewith yourself, yeah, and just
(18:25):
we're watching out for thosesigns of settling.
So in the body realm it mightfeel like a spontaneous, deeper
breath, yeah, just that kind oflike drop of the head that
happened there, and therelaxation, the little smile
Could be a tummy gurgle, lots ofextra credits for yawns always.
And so just bookmark whateverthat was in the body.
(18:49):
That was more of a shift towardyear one.
And then in an emotional realm,let's plant that.
So, oh, I noticed this thing inmy body.
I'm feeling a little bitdifferent, a little bit better
Emotionally.
What happens?
Just maybe it feels brighter,lighter, expansive.
It doesn't have to be an actualemotion, yeah, feel yourself,
(19:10):
nod your head, the yes, therightness of this, yes, and then
in the mental realm we're justwatching for just could be the
slightest bit slower, a littleless judgy, a little less
worried.
And then finally, in thatessence realm, our essence is
our, our beingness, ouruniqueness, our meanness, my,
(19:31):
our uniqueness, our meanness, myspirit, my soul, whatever you
want to call it.
And we want to ramp up theconnection in the essence of
feeling loving, spacious,attuned, attached, connected to
ourselves, attuned, attached,connected to ourselves.
(19:54):
And so just naming that it'slike, yeah, I'm here, I'm here
for me, and so I'll just let youboth kind of organically unwind
out of that, and then we canjust begin on yeah, how do you
(20:19):
feel?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
that was just absolutely lovely.
I forgot we were shooting apodcast.
Honestly, the energy of the dayof moving in and out, weaving
in and out of activities, justlike absolute stillness in my
mind, I found myself morepresent, emotionally just calm,
(20:40):
I guess, is what I woulddescribe it as.
And yeah, there was a presence,the most present I've been all
day.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Right yeah, and what about you?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, and what about you?
Yeah, I just noticed like agentleness and the slowing of
the breath and justenergetically it felt like
lighter, freer, calmer, calmerthoughts, you know, like
everything was just moretranquil, more presence.
Yeah, so good.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, and so.
So that's just one of many,many tools.
And in this, in this practice,I say that it's not about doing
something, this is about beingwith yourself, and I, I created
these things called B&E breaks,and so it's there.
There's there's a lot ofscience around embodied micro
(21:36):
practices and just these ways inwhich we give ourselves more
than just like a pause.
It's like, oh, I'm taking abreak.
No, it's like really intentional, and doing that for like two
minutes three to five times aday creates these moments where
we cultivate this beingness,where we check in and we really
(21:58):
like plant that experience inourselves by doing the BME
check-in.
And these little kind of I callthem, these little moments or
these bubbles of beingness thatwe visit three to five times a
day, just like stress, theystart to kind of like stick in
us and they build up and overtime not very long actually we
start to recognize oh, this iswho I am, not just someplace I
(22:24):
visit, and it starts to kind ofbuild resiliency and create this
downshift in the nervous systemthat it's like this is where
I'm living more of the time now,so when I get to the place of
feeling anxious or checked outor disconnected.
That's more on my awarenessbecause it's different than just
(22:46):
the oh.
This is just like the kind ofstuckness that I'm in.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah, my curiosity is like I love the stillness, I
love the moments.
You know, definitely ameditator and something that I
can relate to with this, withthe person who asked the
question is this like the hustleculture?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
right.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
They're like we're not rewarded for the moments of
stillness, we're rewarded forthe dollars that make my money
thermometer move and things ofthat nature.
So how would you help someoneseparate from that identity?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I think that that kind of goes into like why we
even get geared up in the firstplace, Right?
So as beings we are, it makessense that we thrive in this
year.
One nervous system state ofbeingness.
That's really who, who Ibelieve we all are on the inside
.
That anxiety and depression anddisconnection comes from when
(23:49):
we're living in a way that isnot connected with our own truth
.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
And our nervous system is developed mostly in
our first zero to seven yearsand our needs at that time are
for primarily, safety,attachment, attunement, autonomy
.
And if those needs are not metor there's some kind of
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violation of what I would callthe universal imperatives and
I'll list those out for you in aminute.
But when we are not in syncwith these things, way before we
even have language, way beforewe even have language, our
nervous system is like oh, it'snot safe to be me, I can't cry,
(24:42):
I better be quiet.
Or I have to be perfect to getattention, or I have to know all
the right things, or whatever.
Our story is right, and it wasmy story right, when it's like I
have to go to school, get thegood grades, get out, do the job
, meet the person.
And it's like it was, it was mystory right, where it's like I
have to go to school, get thegood grades, get out, do the job
, meet the person you know.
And it's like I'm following inthe doing and not feeling safe
to listen to the friction ofwhat's inside of me.
(25:04):
It kind of weaves into thatsense of that awareness of like
of ferrying out these parts ofourselves right In an internal
family systems kind of language.
What part of me feels unsafe?
To slow down?
(25:24):
Right, I've been ingrained inthese messages of doing and
producing and making money andthat is that's supposedly what
creates safety.
Right, yeah, but but really,when we work ourselves, like
when we come back home intoourselves that year, one is all
(25:45):
about safety and the number onepart of being safe is not not
running from tigers, like wehear.
Right, it's like that's nothappening in most people's lives
.
Safety and freedom to be ourauthentic selves yeah, and these
practices and kind of beyondwhat I just showed you and we
could practice, actually, I'dlove to show you another one in
a minute that's a little bitdeeper, but these practices are
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about I am valuing myself forbeing.
I am coming home to myself.
I am paying attention not tojust myself in the moment, but
what I call the through line ofour life.
Our system is our through line.
When we're feeling thatdiscomfort, that unsafety, it's
like who is uncomfortableDeveloping this relationship
(26:32):
with like?
Who is uncomfortable developingthis relationship with like?
I learned that when I was five.
Yeah, and and and.
There's ways in which I workwith people to develop these
relationships with their pastselves, so you become what I
call the superhero of your ownlife.
Right, yeah, yourself, you'recreating different experiences.
Be like, watch this, I'm goingto calm myself down just a
(26:53):
little bit.
I'm gonna I'm gonna actuallysay no to this thing that I
really don't want to go to but Ishould go to.
And then, and then it's likeyou have this little kind of
agreement with this younger partof yourself.
It's like, okay, I'm gonna say,no, let's see how this goes,
just let me, I'm gonna right.
And then you, then you kind ofplant that experience of like
we're gonna stay to stay hometonight.
Look at that Like.
I just checking in again body,emotion, mental lessons, like
(27:15):
this is different, yeah, and sothat awareness brings choice and
it brings the opportunity toconnect, and so this is I just
want to you know name that it'sa.
It's a much bigger rewrite thango to yoga.
Do EMDR much bigger rewritethan go to yoga.
(27:37):
Do EMDR right, yes, right.
It's like you are reallycreating opportunities to be
with yourself, for yourself,connected to yourself and
building that safety that maybeyou never had growing up.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Yeah, so I would love you know,cause I've heard a lot about
internal family systems andwould you share with the
audience someone who may nothave ever heard of this just a
little overview of what that isand what that means.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, so internal family systems is a, it's part
of what's called a like, it's asomatic framework, so it's based
on the belief that our nervoussystem, it lives in our body and
it's what, it's our sense ofsafety and it's what tracks all
of our experiences.
And so internal family system is, it's it's parts, work where it
, it is a way in which we fromin their language called this
(28:28):
like my self, energy, my core,true aligned self that really
has this.
Maybe there are these sparklymoments of like that's who I am,
that's what's right for me,this is true, like that's the
self, right, and then noticingthat when we get triggered in
(28:48):
certain ways or we findourselves living our lives in
ways that we're like and itdoesn't feel right we, we begin
to know these other parts ofourselves, the beliefs that they
hold, how they show up at times, and it's through this way of
developing relationship and, intimes, actually rescuing right.
There might be this way in which, like when I work with people,
(29:11):
I work with them in, I combinethese things.
So I do trauma release exercise.
So people are literally liketremoring on the ground and this
like release reflex, and thenthat brings up similar to
psychedelics, memory, emotion,and it's like, oh my God, it's
in my stomach, it's this, whatis that?
And it becomes this memory,this belief system, and so.
(29:33):
So then we're working on,actually, from the self energy,
envisioning going back, meetingthat part of yourself, you know,
being with them, hearing them,feeling them, rescuing them in
the long run, pulling them outof there.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And so.
So it's just incrediblypowerful, beautiful work and
it's you know, it's.
It's developed by this guy,dick Schwartz.
I can't even tell you how longago he started doing this, but
it is.
You know, it's being touted nowby Bessel van der Kolk, who
wrote the Body Keeps the Score.
(30:10):
He's like it's really the onlytherapy that works.
It is very different than juststraightforward talk therapy.
It's very different thancognitive behavioral therapy.
It's really not trying to fixyourself.
It's noticing these parts thatare frustrated, that are angry,
that are whatever, and thatthose parts all have a purpose,
(30:32):
they're all trying to make ussafe and that there's never any
part that's bad.
So we kind of correct thatshame, we correct the wrong.
It's like we move intorewriting our experience with
compassion and love andconnection.
Wow, yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Oh, that's great.
That's a great overview andexplanation.
Wow, yeah, oh, that's great.
That's a great overview andexplanation.
Yeah, oh, yes, I just want topick up a thread before we lose
it, cause I'm a listener thisway.
So earlier you mentioned, um,something that you a list you
would tell us about later.
I it sounded like it'ssomething like oh, at birth, if
these things aren't met, yeah,so I call these universal
(31:12):
imperatives, that's it.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
And they are just like the ises, so like I'll say
these and then just noticeyourselves and for the audience
here, like like what happens foryou?
Maybe you even have a bodilyreaction, maybe you get chills,
you know whatever it is, and sothere, there, some might really
resonate and some there might be.
I wish there was more of thatin my life, right, so okay,
(31:39):
safety, love, connection, truth,integrity, wholeness, rightness
, like that sense of like yes,that's right, not I'm right
right beingness, belonging,worthiness, freedom, empowerment
(32:05):
and harmony, and like this iseverybody's like, nodding their
heads, nobody's like, you know,no, thank you.
Actually I'm not reallyinterested.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
No, I'll skip the worthiness.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
And some of these can be feel really yummy.
And then there's also you know,with people that I'm working
with, it's like some of themlike they bring you to tears.
It's like, well, I don't evenknow what worthiness is and but
you're sad, right?
The part of you that really isyour true self is sad and knows
that there's something rightabout worthiness, right, even if
(32:48):
there's, like this longingthat's who you are or a craving
for something, there's alwayssome level of awareness of these
things, right.
And so I use these as um in inthis practice that I call
authentic alignment and andreally like physically embodying
these pieces.
So I'm happy to walk you guysthrough that if you want to play
(33:10):
with another technique.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, yeah, I'm open.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I'm open for anything .
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Let's do it.
Let's do it, okay, so we'regoing to stand.
All right, so we're here, okay,great.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
So remember, as we're starting like you're not doing
anything, this can feel a littlechallenging physically
sometimes because it's differentthan how we usually stand.
Okay, so I'm going to inviteyou to shift about 60% of your
weight into your heels.
So often it can feel off,kilter right.
So often when we're like we'reliterally ahead of ourselves and
(33:46):
actually can you guys turnsideways for me and then I can
cue you through some yep, doesit notice a face at each other?
Whatever works for you guys, butyeah, that way I have a better
one yeah, yeah, just invitingyourself into your heels, and
about 60% you wait there andabout 40% in the front of your
(34:08):
foot.
So like the ball of your bigtoe.
Imagine you're reaching thatdown.
And so, as you reach that down,you feel your foot.
So like the ball of your bigtoe.
Imagine you're reaching thatdown.
And so, as you reach that down,you feel your foot start to get
alive, right, yeah?
And so this is where you'replugging into your charging
station.
So, being on your heels, I'mgoing to tell a story.
As we go through this, I'mcoming home to myself.
(34:36):
I'm worth staying with, I'mworth standing up for Plugging
your feet into your chargingstation.
We're plugging into theuniversal imperatives.
I'll say them again Safety,love, connection, truth,
integrity, wholeness, rightness,beingness, belonging,
worthiness, freedom, empowerment, harmony.
So plug into that whole rainbowor plug into whatever feels
(35:00):
especially resonant for you, butyou're drawing that energy up
inside.
As you come to your knees, ifyou tend to lock your knees,
give them a little bit of anunlock.
You're saying to yourself I'mresponse able, I'm not stuck,
I'm not locked, I'm not rigid,I'm flexible, I can go with the
flow.
Bring your attention to yourpelvis and think about how you
(35:24):
pull your tailbone under andyour belly button up, so these
two bones on the front of yourhips face forward like a
flashlight.
So so many of us have ourpelvis tipped down and forward
and our back overarched.
So as we're doing that you'rethinking about, I'm creating
stability in my body and in mylife.
You can start to feel with thathow there's a little bit of
(35:46):
like work in the core, andusually in the lower core, and
then invite that up, so like ifthat's an elevator that comes up
, you want to bring it into yourribs.
And, brittany, I'll just sayyou're leaning back from your
upper back.
So if you bring, you're showingme this about stacking yourself
so that you are like not behindyourself.
(36:08):
But yeah, do you feel howthat's different?
Yeah, yeah, more connectioninto that the ribs right in the
front there.
So you've got this kind of likea, like a zipper from the
pelvis to the ribs.
And this is where this is youressence, this is your solar
plexus.
It's like I trust my gut, I'mlistening to myself, I'm staying
with myself, or I want to trustmy gut if that's not true for
(36:29):
you, and then bringing yourhands there to that space, yeah,
and this is where your essence,your gifts are.
Like how you want to show up inthe world and turn your hands,
palm up good, and then you'regoing to start to spin your arms
out to the side, right, so palmup comes out to the side and
it's like, as you do, thatyou're spreading your wings and
you feel your shoulder bladeswrap back at the same time.
(36:52):
Stay connected to the ribs,right.
Stay connected to your essence,right, so you can feel that
work in your back.
Like I've got my back.
I want to fly from here.
You can let your arms rest downby your side, but keep your
palms facing forward in thesense of like, presence and
openness.
Do you feel how that opens yourheart?
Like I'm courageouslyvulnerable right, it's too
(37:14):
intense.
Put your hand on your heart,bring your hand back to your
body, but just notice thatopenness.
You've got your own back.
You can open your heart.
This opens your throat where youcan say to yourself I'm going
to say what I feel, I'm going tosay what I need, I'm going to
stand up and say what's rightfor me, and then you're tall
from the top of your head, likeI'm holding my head high for
(37:39):
myself, for all of myself andfrom this place, my eyes, even
if they're closed, they'reforward on the horizon, right,
it gives me a wide perspectiveand I trust myself, rooted in
the core of my being, that lifewill come to me.
And it's from this place,connected to myself, my essence,
my truth, that I am going tochoose the next right thing, the
(38:02):
next right thing, the nextright thing.
We're sourced and we're at homein ourselves.
And this is the home of yourbelonging, this is the home of
your being.
And take and gather that andbring it back into yourself.
So, a hand on your heart and ahand on that kind of upper belly
area, right.
(38:23):
And if there's anything youwant to say to yourself,
noticing here in the body whatfeels different, what feels
right, maybe there's a sense ofstrength, maybe there's a sense
of connection, noticeemotionally how you feel here In
(38:44):
the mental space, and then,finally, in the sense of like,
yeah, in my essence, beingconnected to self.
Okay, and again, I'll just letyou hang out there as long as
you wish, or else kind of unwindout of that and let's talk
about how that was well, oh yeahgreat Yay, great Yay, wow, how
(39:20):
was it for you?
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Incredibly grounding yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
I feel again, there's like just an added presence in
my body that I didn't havebefore.
And alignment, yes, claritybeautiful.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, I call this authentic alignment, and that's
you know what you're describingthere, lisette, with the clear.
It's like we can be clear whenour nervous system is in that
gear, one that's where we haveclarity, we have perspective, we
have focus, we have right yeahyeah, it was very beautiful.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I loved, um, as you were guiding us through and each
part, like opened as it, as itbuilt, it's stacked, and so then
the next one was like ready tobe there, and it was interesting
, um, having a shift our weightinto the like 60% into the heels
, um, and like when you're like,a lot of times we're like ahead
(40:28):
of ourselves and I noticed I'vehad a tendency to have anxiety,
which is fear of the future,and just noticing if, like, if
all my energy is towards in thefuture.
I'm not in the present, youknow, and feeling that in my
body was just like a differentexperience of feeling that.
Yeah, it was a really beautifulpractice.
(40:49):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Welcome, you're welcome, and that's that's one
of the ones that I think is themost powerful.
And it's free, right.
It's just like you have yourbody right, you can, you can
just, and and you know, we tooka little bit of time with it,
but once you get it down, it's,it happens pretty quickly.
And then then you know, like myclients that are like we have
these like micro, micro breakswhere you're, just like you know
(41:13):
, standing there and you're like, oh, on my heels, right, that's
just as soon as you zip backinto that, it's like the whole
thing connects.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
And I think that this is a really beautiful practice.
And, um, you know, when we talkabout these be me breaks,
there's like the ABCs of the beme break and it, you know,
alignment or attunement, um,like we did with the butterfly,
um, attunement, like we did withthe butterfly, attachment
connection.
The B is you know what's thebody language of what I'm doing
(41:52):
and the C is the checking in.
So like circling back to thatbe me, like what's it like to be
me now, not just doingsomething and going on to the
next thing.
I think that's where we getlost, right, it's like, oh, I
did the breathing and it didn'treally change anything.
Or I did the whatever.
I didn't have that whole cycleof I'm choosing to be with
myself, I'm actually doing theactivity, right.
Then we have, like I justfinished the activity and it's
(42:12):
like now I'm going to plant whathappened with that and it was
like a really important part toreally notice how that's landing
in all of the realms of ourexperience.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
I feel like the overarching message is slow down
, slow down, and so we canactually be present with what is
going on.
And for our listener who wrotein, who's feeling disconnected
from their life and feeling likethey're surrounded by all this
energy of hustling, like theinvitation being like okay, so
(42:50):
you're noticing, you're notfeeling connected, can you slow
down and see what else you'renoticing, and see what else is
there and see what else you'renoticing and see what else is
there and asking yourself what?
What would it mean to be inalignment, like you know, trying
some of these exercises thatyou gifted, um, and feeling how
that feels and just seeing whatcomes up from that space?
Speaker 1 (43:11):
and I will just name that.
Like it is not an uncommonthing to have people come into
my studio and we do this workand we, we, I coach them through
this alignment.
Tears, right, like you know,this kind of sense of like I
haven't been home in myself.
Be home in myself, right andworth, creating the environment,
(43:31):
the safety, the time, right, so, and it will bring things up
right.
That's, that's kind of whathappens when you know like we
talked a little bit the otherday but you're like like when
you choose to come into yourself, other things fall off.
Yes, jobs, right.
It's like cleaning house, right.
(43:52):
So it's like that we have to.
Really, you know, when we comeinto ourselves and trust that
when we do that, when we're inour own authentic alignment,
that is where we magnetizeourselves, who and what we need.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah, well, not to put you on the spot, but kind of
experience of allowing yourselfto come into alignment and
being in that shift of myexternal world is starting to
change and shift because I'mchoosing to live in my own
(44:25):
alignment and that moment, whileyou're magnetizing what is in
alignment, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
So yeah, I've.
I've had, you know, a lot ofexperiences around like just
knowing that I needed to closemy practice in Eugene and move
to Portland, having like a senseof I mean, at this point in
time, I use this as a tool, Idon't make decisions, I feel
what's right.
So, but but yes, you know, in incoming into this, it's like
(44:54):
relationships a lot of timesthat don't work, or at least
being able to like say in wayslike this is really challenging
for me.
This is, this is what I'mfeeling and what I need Right,
whereas in the past I might havejust kind of like gone along,
put my head down, done the, donethe thing, right.
But I think that that's, youknow.
Moving here to Portland, kindof you know choices and like
(45:16):
again, like relationship, thatthat's been my biggest and those
are hard right, because we, ifwe think that safety is in the
relationship that we're in orthe job that we're in, and you
know I'll tell you, a huge oneis that three years ago I closed
my practice, like I was a PTfor all of these years, had a
thriving business, and I'm likeyears had a thriving business
(45:43):
and I'm like I am notwholeheartedly feeling this, I'm
not in full alignment withmyself.
I'm good at this, but I, I, my,my wholeness has a whole other
piece right that I can't, youknow, shove this into a little
bit of icing on the cake.
With the people that I'mworking with, I need to like
step out, lean out and come intolike this is who I am, this is
what I'm doing, and you knowthat's took, like you know,
(46:07):
upwards of three years and I'mI'm building my practice back,
but it's like, it's a big thingto be, like I walked away from
like a nine month waiting list.
This is where I'm at and Icouldn't feel happier about it.
I love what I get to do.
It feels like a gift.
It really is trusting in thatsense of alignment, gut, heart
and head on the same team.
(46:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yeah, I thank you so much for sharing vulnerably from
your own life your experience,cause I feel like it it.
I know it helps myself when youhear someone else's personal
story of choosing themselves andand life working out like
you're alive, you're well, youhave a practice.
I met your cute dog, like youknow, and I like I.
(46:53):
I share this story with you.
When lisette and I, in thepandemic, sold all our stuff and
decided to live out of hertruck and go on the road with no
plan.
And people were like that soundsbatshit.
And we were like, yeah, butlike something about it is
feeling.
It's feeling more right thanstaying with where I am, and so
(47:16):
I don't know what's on the otherside, but I know it's no longer
this.
And so, having that courage tomove towards what's in alignment
and you know, I'm always a bigfan of like wherever I'm going,
it's going to be better,wherever I'm going, it's going
to be better and so, you know,trusting and believing that I'm
(47:37):
only moving towards what'sbetter for me and I love that
you brought in that word of like, wholeness, like I'm good at
this thing, but I'm not feelingwhole, you know.
And so allowing ourselves, likeshe said, I have the job and
the relationship and the things,and it's like that's fine and
it's fine, but if you're notfeeling whole, what else could
(48:03):
there be for you?
Right?
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Yeah, and just what you're saying, like that idea of
, of, like when we're inalignment right, I call that
practice authentic alignmentwe're literally in a place of
being, we're surfing the edge ofthe unfolding, right, it's
trusting in the unknown andrecognize we really don't have a
lot of control anyway, right,but that's, that's where.
(48:27):
But to be in that place ofbeing, like I trust myself
moment to moment to make thenext right decision next right
decision?
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Yeah, yes, yeah.
I think what really struck meand just I love it is that you
said you don't make decisions.
You feel what's right.
Is that how you?
I was just like yes, okay,goals Cause you can.
You can decide and logic yourway into, into staying small,
into staying small, you can lookyour way staying in that
relationship, but to feel thetruth and follow it, that's a
(49:04):
gift.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
I've been wrong in doing that right.
It's when I've questioned itthat I have not.
It hasn't worked out in theright way.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Yeah, been there.
This is the quote unquote smarton paper thing to do, miserable
Like looking for the exits, nothappy.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
I have a question for you, cause I, we, we get it a
lot and it's like you talk aboutthe heart, the mind, heart and
gut being connected, when I'vehad clients and people ask me
how do you know the differencebetween like I feel, like I have
a gut hit, or it's actuallyanxiety?
You know and it's it's when arewhen do you know the alignment
(49:51):
versus like?
Oh, I got a bad feeling aboutthis, but maybe it's anxiety per
se.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yeah, that's a great question and I would go back to
that sense of, of that internalfamily systems type of framework
where it's like what, what'shappening?
Like, is it anxiety?
Who's anxious about what?
Is that actually true?
Like so in this place of like,from this place of witnessing
being like, is it true?
Do I need to be anxious aboutthat?
(50:17):
Okay, I'm listening to you, I'mhearing that.
Is it you place of like, fromthis place of witnessing being
like is it true?
Do I need to be anxious aboutthat?
Okay, I'm listening to you, I'mhearing that.
Is it you know?
Like, do we need to exit?
Do we need to stay?
Do we need to?
You know, like from from thiswhatever five-year-old
perspective, right, but feelingheard in that and being like
actually, when I sense intomyself, when I get into this
alignment and this is a gamechanger I promise you to
(50:38):
practice this authenticalignment, really feeling like,
rooted in and sensing in thoseuniversal imperatives like
safety is ringing for me today,worthy is ringing for me today.
That's how you sense into, like, that's what's landing
authentically, and anxiety isoften kind of the opposite of
one of those imperatives thatisn't being met.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
Thank you, that's actually very clear.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Oh, this is such a great, great, great conversation
.
I just want to thank you somuch for sharing your wisdom,
your wealth of knowledge, withour community and like practices
that one can take home, Likewhat a gift If someone our
listener or others want to reachyou on a find out more about
(51:26):
what you do, how can they findyou?
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Um, I have a website.
I'm here in Portland and I workum one-on-one and also online.
Uh, you can find me atbecomebodywiseconsultingcom, and
on there there's all kinds ofthings about the Be Me Break and
how you can develop that.
The framework is there.
There's a free, authenticalignment guided practice.
(51:52):
You can learn about one-to-onecoaching.
I have an online course.
I do some speaking and someretreats, so you can find out
all the ways to find me on thatwebsite.
And I'm also on social.
You can find the links on thewebsite too.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Fantastic, we will definitely make sure to have
those in the show notes.
And yeah, if there was anyoverarching message or anything,
you would want someone.
If there was one nugget youwanted someone to take from this
conversation, what would thatbe?
That you're worth being with?
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Yeah, that's like this is like to really come home
to yourself and, you know,become all of who you are.
I love that word become,because it starts with B and it
ends with me right, it's likewe've always been there, and so
that I think that knowing becomebecause it starts with B and it
ends with me, right, it's likewe've always been there, and so
I think that knowing that it isnot only possible, it's actually
(52:45):
quite powerful and fairly easyto be able to tap into these.
You know, what we're seeing inscience is proof of like, oh,
this is how I come home tomyself.
So, to believe that it'spossible, to know that you're
worth it and show up foryourself, I promise it works.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
Gosh, that's so good.
I learned so much from youtoday.
Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
Yeah, this is incredible, and I already can
think of so many people I wouldsend in your direction, because
embodiment work is so powerful.
So thank you for doing theLord's work.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Really fun.
I love the conversation and itwas really fun to like guide you
guys through and just to beable to witness and and support
you in that and it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Fantastic.
Oh, so good.
Well, thank you so much andwe'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
I am blown away by Megan.
I told you you did, you did.
You're like we got to have heron here.
Well, first of all, I justthere's so much I didn't know
about somatics and nervoussystem regulation, what she
taught us about IFS.
Like I am just, I love learning.
(53:58):
You know this about me.
Have you guys heard that I lovelearning.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
Do you guys know?
Speaker 3 (54:01):
Lissette loves learning.
I love learning, and this onewas chock full of learning and
exercises.
Like we can actually apply thisin our lives.
I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
I am so excited and I feel so grateful that this
caller trusted us with theirquestion and with what's going
on in their life, because, Imean, I have been in that
experience where you're like,well, nothing's working right.
So like maybe I'll try talktherapy or someone's at this
about MDMR, like maybe I shouldtry this diet Keto helps, I
don't know.
But like having, have you hadenough protein, have you?
(54:32):
had enough protein, yes, but, um, having this kind of body of
work and you know, I'm all aboutthe embodiment practices but
when we get our body online andwe actually start to understand
and work with our body, that iswhere we can really create this
lasting change, and so I feel sograteful that she taught us I
mean, try these techniques out.
(54:53):
If you weren't doing them withus in real time, like, save this
episode and come back to it andtry these exercises out.
They you weren't doing themwith us in real time.
Save this episode and come backto it and try these exercises
out.
They really are something.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
Yeah, I'm feeling that alignment, what she said
about the decision.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Oh yes, the decision quote that she doesn't make
decisions.
She feels into what's right.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
She feels into what's right.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
Yeah, she's like oh.
Speaker 3 (55:18):
God, yes, I'm scanning it, putting in my
neurology.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Yes, living that life right now.
Speaker 3 (55:25):
Yeah, she is just incredible.
So happy to have her on.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
Absolutely.
If you want to find more abouther, her links are in the show
notes.
You know where it is.
Well, it's a great time tosubscribe, to tell a friend and
if you have a question, send usa text, like these people do, or
slide into the DMs 971-895-4111.
We are here, we are available,we are giving a service and, as
(55:49):
you can see, we have an amazingwealth of community.
Who has so much information, somuch wisdom.
So we are always happy to phonea friend and bring on the best
of the best to support you withwhatever it is that you are
moving through.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
Yeah, and until we meet again, be honest with each
other.
Bye.
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