Sexual Fantasy & the Shadow Self: How Core Energetics Awakens True Aliveness with Jana Sinyor and Angela Ai

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Angela (00:00):
You know, we're trying to help people see what are
these beliefs that you'recarrying around.
And how are you actuallyrecreating those sit those
beliefs and in a certain patternin relationship with people,
with yourself.
And to do that, you have to goto the darkest places in

(00:21):
yourself, the place that you donot want to see, the place that
says, I will never show thispart of myself.

Goddess Brittney (00:27):
Welcome to Honest Feedback, the podcast
where deep truth meets boldtransformation.
I'm Goddess Brittany King, apleasure priestess and a
transformational retreatfacilitator who helps women
connect to their deepest truths,reclaim their pleasure, and
awaken their inner power.

Liset (00:45):
And I'm Lisette King, an emotional ninja and
transformational coach who helpsleaders release baggage, heal
unresolved trauma, and step intotheir most aligned, purposeful
lives.
We've created this podcast forspirit-led individuals just like
you.
Seekers of truth, personalgrowth, and meaningful
connection.
Whether you're navigatinglife's big questions, craving

(01:06):
more joy and fulfillment, orsimply looking for honest,
relatable conversations, you'rein the right place.

Welcome to this week's episode of Honest
Feedback.
We feel so good to be back,rested from Hawaii, from our
Hawaiian Energy Works School.
It was such a good workshop.
It was so good.
Yeah.
It's a workshop, it's a school,it's a it's a lifestyle.

Liset (01:29):
It's a so much life has happened, but I'm really excited
about today's episode.
Yes.
Because speaking of lifehappening, we went to a workshop
in Austin, Texas calledMetamorphosis.
And it was a workshop on sexualfantasies.
We got very excited.
Um, very excited.

(01:50):
And we very, very, very excitedabout this and the opportunity
that we had there.
And it was unlike anything we'dever done before.
It was beyond, beyond justpresence.
It was a lesson in being human.
It was a lesson in um justfeeling alive.

(02:12):
There was some wonderfulaliveness.
What did you what would howwould you sum up what you
received before we get into thiscomment?
Sum up.

Um for me, it was exactly what I have been
seeking.
I was able to find.
How would I say it?

(02:41):
Nothing was quite reflecting tome what my blind spot was.
Um and it's very funny.
Um, I'm trying to say from veryha-up place.
When you've been on the path ina particular field for a while,
it's like, well, I know, I knowquite a bit.
You know what I mean?
Yes.
And shocker, we all still haveblind spots and we're still

(03:02):
humans.
I know.
I know.
I have them.
And I had a blind spot, and Iwas just like, I know how the
symptoms are showing up aboutthis, but I haven't quite found
what the problem is.
And I had brought it to a fewother practitioners, and I
hadn't quite cracked it.

Liset (03:21):
Yeah.

And this experience cracked that for me.

Liset (03:24):
Yeah.
I just feel like I got so muchmore than I bargained for, and
I'm really excited to talk tothem because it has been the
journey since we've been back,has been kind of trying to
explain it, but not really beingable to explain it.
Much like our own work.
Much like our own work.
Like, what do you guys do?
Well, there's a vibe.

(03:45):
There's a vibe.
There's some sheepskins.
You're gonna be transformed.
We went to Austin, the view wasincredible.
We went deeper than we'd evergone before, and we went into
the dark crevices of our souland came out just more connected
and deeper in love.
Yeah.
So that face.
I know.
Just yeah.

(04:06):
What we received from it was somuch more than we can, we've
been able to put into words, andwe knew we had to have them on
our podcast.
Yeah.

So the them is these two incredible
facilitators, Jenna and Angela,and they run a school called the
Metamorphosis Core EnergeticsInstitute.
And they put on theseworkshops.
They do something called CoreEnergetics.
What is it that you may ask?
We had no fucking idea.
I'm not gonna do it just I'mnot gonna do it justice.

(04:37):
And we didn't even know that'swhat it was when we signed up
for it.
We just, it was a sacredinvitation from a dear friend,
which by the way, you shouldalways listen to those.
Yes.
Um, when a dear friend says,Hey, I think you should do it,
just say yes.

Liset (04:51):
Let's go.
Yeah.

And I had a prophetic dream.
It was all the things.
Um, we said yes, and we are sograteful that we said yes.
So we were like, this was somoving.
We want to bring them on toshare with our audience about
them, about their work, aboutwhat's possible.
And yeah, they can explain toyou what core energetics is
because I still cannot.

(05:12):
So yeah.

Liset (05:14):
And uh before we give them a call, please make sure
you like, subscribe, share thiswith anyone that you love,
anyone in your community.
Uh, keep this little podcastgoing.
Yes.

Also, I just feel so grateful that we are we
I like to think of us as thescout bees.
Yeah.
We go out and we find the goodnectar.
We're like, this is where thepollen is, this is where the
nectar is.
Tell all the other bees.
This is one of those episodes.
Yes.
We found some nectar, we foundsome pollen.
We're telling the other beeswhere to find it.
So when we don't have theanswers, we have a directory of

(05:48):
the highest frequency otherpractitioners, and we're so
grateful to be able to sharethem with you.
Yeah.
Okay, let's give them a call.

Liset (05:55):
Let's hi, Angela and Janna.
So excited to have you heretoday.
Hi.
Hi, guys.
We're excited to be here.

Angela (06:07):
Yeah, nice to see you.

Liset (06:08):
Yeah.
We were we were sharing withour audience that we got to
spend just the most epic,profound weekend with you.
And much like it was in life,it was a little hard to explain
in but just because it was soprofound.
And one of the gifts that I wasgiven was the gift of presence.
You know, going through thatweekend, we moved through so

(06:32):
much in our own personal lives,and it created this opening and
space for us to be just more inthe moment than ever before.
And I would love to hear, inyour own words, how do you share
and how do you serve in theworld?
Well, okay, I can start.

Jana (06:53):
Um I guess I share by embodying this work that has
changed my life and embodying myexcitement for it.
Um and Angela and I co-run aninstitute that trains core

(07:14):
energetics practitioners, whichis what we are.
Um and it's delightful for meto give other people an
experience of themselves, a deepexperience of themselves.
And um in in the same way thatI was given that, which is the
whole reason.

(07:34):
Um I'll say more about thatlater, but I left my career and
in order to pursue this work,which I was not expecting.
I wasn't expecting to become atherapist, a facilitator.
I was very entrenched in myscreenwriting profession and had
such a life-changingexperience, series of

(07:56):
experiences in groups like theone that you both just
participated in, that I felt umcompelled to do this all the
time.
Um, and that led to my uh myfriendship with Angela, our
collaboration.

(08:17):
Um I do this because it's funfor me.
Um it it it is enlivening forme.
Um and uh if it wasn't fun forme to do this work, I wouldn't
do it.
Um so yeah, that's a start.

Liset (08:41):
And Angela, how about you?

Angela (08:43):
Um, can you ask the question again?

Liset (08:45):
Yes, of course.
So, how do you serve in theworld?
Tell us a little bit about howyou perhaps got into core
energetics or um what inspiresyou to serve this as your
medicine.

Angela (08:58):
Okay.
Um, well, let's see.
I first um was introduced to itwhen um my husband and I were
looking for a couples therapist,and we really needed to, you
know, there was something deepthat we were going through and
something difficult.
And we had gone through anumber of couples therapists,

(09:20):
and um, I wasn't new to therapy,but my husband was, and so he
was a little more particular.
And so we went, you know, todifferent people, and then
somebody suggested uh thiswoman, Ann Bradney, and we went
to um a session with her, andwhen we finished, my husband

(09:42):
said, You're not the kind oftherapist that just gets people
to neutral, you're the kind oftherapist that wants to take
them to their potential.
And I was like, Whoa, that andthat felt true and that felt
right, and that began my journeyin core energetics.
I didn't know anything aboutanything, I didn't really care

(10:03):
what that even meant.
I just knew that this washelping me.
And so um I went into Ann'sgroup um and started doing that
work for a little while.
And then um, but at the sametime, I was acting, I was
singing.
My life was like, I was Iwanted to be on Broadway.
I wanted to like, you know, befamous, and I wanted to sing and

(10:27):
act and do all those things.
And so um I did, and I made itto Broadway, and I was like
living my dream, and it was uh,you know, it was it was awesome.
And I was in this TonyAward-winning musical on
Broadway, I did the nationaltour, I was in Vegas, you know,

(10:47):
the whole thing.
And then, you know, after likeactually pretty shortly after my
Broadway debut, I went into adeep depression.
And I didn't understand why,but you know, after you know,
many years, I understood that,you know, I was basically my

(11:08):
whole childhood was like, thisis what I'm gonna do, you know,
and this is how I'm gonna getout of the fucked up environment
that I was in.
What I thought was fucked up,you know.
And I thought it was gonnasolve everything, and it didn't.
And so then, you know, goinginto this work, it was, I mean,

(11:29):
I did a lot of other kinds ofhealing, you know, things, but
going into this work was reallywhat kind of catalyzed, like I
like I had a hope, like, oh myGod, I'm gonna not just get out
of this, but I'm gonna fulfillmy potential in some way, you
know, like it was what myhusband said.
And so um, when we were moving,we were we were in New York at

(11:51):
the time, and then um my our myour therapist um uh and she she
called me and she was umstarting up a school for core
energetics, she called itradical aliveness, and she was
going to be moving to LA and wewere gonna be moving to LA at
the same time, but she shecalled to say, I was thinking

(12:14):
about you because I'm startingthe school and I have a feeling
like you would be really greatat this.
And I was like, No, there is noway I'm ever going to become a
therapist that's never, ever,ever going to happen.
That was so nice.
I was I, you know, she'samazing, she's an like like the
top, like a master facilitator.

(12:36):
But and so I was so, you know,touched and and uh felt like you
know, like wow, I like it'sit's something special that she
was inviting me to come to theschool.
And so at the end of theconversation, I was just like,
thank you so much, Anne.
But you know, this isn't reallymy thing, but I appreciate you
inviting me.
She's like, okay, well, it'syou know, it's not just so you

(12:57):
know, it's not really aboutbecoming a practitioner, it's
more about um stepping into yourgreatness.
She said something like thatthat was like, you know, music
to my ears.
And I was like, okay, um,stepping into my greatness,
okay.
She was like, Well, you know,just just feel into it.
If you feel a yes anywhere, youknow, like then, you know, let

(13:19):
me know.
And I was like, okay, yeah,I'll let you know, hung up,
thinking that's never happening.
And then it was either thatnight or that week, I can't
remember, I had a dream.
And I dreamt that I was in agroup, she was facilitating, I
was in a backbend, and she wasshaking something out of me, and
my head popped open andsomething fell out.

(13:42):
And I stood up and I was like,Oh my God, I'm free.
And in the dream, I thought,oh, I want to know how to do
this for other people.
And I woke up and I was like,Oh my god, I think I'm going to
that school.
And so I called her and I waslike, I have no idea, I didn't

(14:04):
know what it was, you know.
I just signed up and I waslike, I, you know, I'm following
my dream and this is what itis.
And the first module, myhusband and I were literally
driving from New York to LA.
So I missed that module.
But then I went for the nextfour years.
One year at a time, I was like,I'm I can only commit for one
year, that's it, you know.

(14:25):
And then I was at the end offour years, I became a
practitioner.
I had my own practice.
I I quit acting because myheart was no longer in it.
Um, I mean I still sang, but itwas like, you know, this is
what I wanted to do.
And then the the passion for itjust grew and grew and grew.
My life like completelytransformed um many over many

(14:50):
times over.
And at one point I met Jana andum she said to me, Well, she
actually we were doing aworkshop together, and she had
this flyer out, and it was uhthis flyer for a one-year
program that she was starting umin in this work.
And I looked at it and Ithought, oh my God, that flyer

(15:12):
is so beautiful, you know, and Iand I felt this sense of
jealousy that I was like, I I Iwant to be doing something like
this.
But what was so weird was thatI had told everyone, you know,
people were like, Oh, Angela,you should be a teacher, you
should do a program.
And I was like, No, no, I Idefinitely do not want to do

(15:34):
that.
And then when I saw her flyer,I was like, Why do I feel
jealous?
I didn't say anything to Janaabout it.
I just said, your flyer isbeautiful.
And she was like, Yeah, I'mthinking about starting this
program.
I don't know if I'm gonna do itor not.
And then the next week shecalled me and she's like, Hey,
would you want to do this withme?
And I was like, Yes, yes, Iwould.

(15:55):
And we started and we did thisone year program, and then that
led to like then people asked usfor a second year, and then
people asked us for a thirdyear, and pretty soon we had a
school.
And so that's you know, we havethis four-year program now.
And uh that's I don't I don'tknow how, like, you know,
there's a lot of other details,but I'm here now.
And, you know, the work that wedo, I think is transformational

(16:18):
and it's profound and it's deepand it's hard, and uh, but it's
ultimately incrediblyliberating.
And what we're doing is we'rehelping people become conscious
of the places that they'reunconscious of.
And it, you know, allows forpeople to get out of patterns um
in the ways that they've beenstuck for, you know, sometimes

(16:41):
decades.
So that's me for right now.

Yes.
Oh, that's so good.
I resonate with so manysynchronicities between all of
us, the stories, the dreams.
I'm like, oh, is coreenergetics partially dream work?
Because as I shared with youguys, a dream is what led me to
say the definite yes to yourinvitation.

(17:07):
I had a dream of like getting arandom amount of money.
And then the next day, a dearfriend, Libby, shared, like,
hey, you should come to thisthing.
And it was the exact amount ofmoney that I was tipped in this
dream.
And I was just like, all right,spirit, heard, definitely
going.
I don't know what it is.
Like, we hadn't even heard thewords core energetics.

(17:27):
Um, and I felt the resonance ofthe deep transformation space.
Um, and the the aliveness ofwhat I felt like, which you also
shared, Jana, was like there'sa part of your story where it's
like, I was living my path.
I was doing what I thought Ishould do.
Angela, I was, I wanted to beon Broadway.

(17:48):
I thought this would be myescape.
I wanted to be an actor.
Women are safe in their bodiesand on acting screens.
This is what I thought.
So this is what I want to do.
And then somewhere along thepath, spirit goes, We're gonna
take you in a differentdirection because the thing that
you actually want is somewhereelse.
And it's in this space oftransformation, it's in this

(18:09):
space of alchemy, it's in thisspace of self-discovery.
Um, to start to understand whoyou truly are.

Speaker 02 (18:16):
Mm-hmm.

unknown (18:17):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.

Liset (18:19):
One of the things I loved about even your story and what
you empowered me to do in the inthe workshop was you said, I
felt jealousy, so you you leanedinto it.
And that's something that in alot of modalities, or even just
in in our culture, when you feela feeling you don't want to
feel, it's just like shove itdown, let's not talk about it,

(18:41):
let's not look at it.
And in the workshop, we wentto, just to give a little bit of
backstory, we went to a sexualfantasy workshop called
Metamorphosis.
And we're like, I was justlike, yeah, sounds great.
Let's go.
And it was, there was no way wecould expect that weekend in

(19:02):
any way, shape, or form.
It was so beyond anything thatI could dream of, fathom.
And the work that was done inthat room was it was following
for me the dark and scary placesI've been avoiding for so long
and leaning into it and findingthe magic and finding the
medicine in it.
And it truly did feel likemedicine.

(19:24):
So one of the things I want tojust acknowledge and admire
about you is you both asfacilitators fully feel your
emotions and you you are in theexperience with us.
Like you're these prolificfacilitators and spaceholders,
and yet I could see you havingyour own experience.

(19:46):
And that was that's somethingthat I had not experienced
myself in the past from otherfacilitators.
Could you speak a little moreinto how that is and the
following, say the jealousy orthe anger or the darkness?
Like, how is it that you findthe light in those places?

Jana (20:07):
Angela.

Angela (20:09):
Um, okay.
Um well, first of all, I thankyou so much for what you just
said.
Um, because that feels true.
And also, you know, what wasmodeled to us in terms of like
the facilitation that we sawthat I had never seen before,
that a facilitator was human,you know, like they had their

(20:32):
own flaws.
The teachers that we hadrevealed themselves to us, you
know, and um that was so new andso like not at all what I
experienced in my childhood orany with any of my teachers, you
know, like teachers aresupposed to be, they're supposed
to be something, you know.
And what our teachers did wasembody their humanity, you know,

(20:57):
and um they made mistakes andthey got mad and they cried and
they, you know, they they justthey had um they were human
emotions, you know, but theyalso took responsibility for
them.
Like I didn't have to take careof them in any way.
It was just they were just, youknow, feeling being human

(21:18):
beings.
And so that was um, that wassomething that was incredibly
attractive to me, um, as someonewho was learning this thing.
Um in terms of like uh theshadow, you know, that's kind of
the the big part of our work,you know, what I was saying
about being becoming consciousof the unconscious.

(21:40):
It's like, you know, let's sayI'm just giving a very uh
specific example, but let's sayyou're somebody you you like
like for example, like I wantedto um teach with with Jana.
You know, I was jealous, youknow, in this place.
And there could be, as yousaid, there could be a plot of

(22:03):
me that would have hidden thatjealousy and that would have
hidden it from myself, and um toto not let myself know what I
want because maybe I have abelief somewhere inside of me
that says I don't get to havewhat I want.
And which I do, you know, likethat was a very strong, what we

(22:24):
call an image, a faultyconclusion that I concluded from
my childhood based on theexperience that I had.
And so, you know, to to to unto dig up these images, these
beliefs that we have that wecarry around that literally play
out in our life, you know,constantly that we are not aware

(22:45):
of.
This is essentially the workthat we're trying to help people
do.
You know, we're trying to helppeople see what are these
beliefs that you're carryingaround, and how are you actually
uh recreating those those thosebeliefs and in a certain
pattern in relationship withpeople, with yourself.

(23:06):
And to do that, you have to goto the darkest places in
yourself, the place that you donot want to see, the place that
says, I will never show thispart of myself.
And I think that that's whatyou guys both experienced on
some level, to see some placesabout yourself that maybe you
even judged about yourself.

(23:27):
Like, you know, I I'm not gonnashow this, I'm not gonna know
this about myself because thisis a bad part of me.
This is a part of me that umlike nobody's gonna like.
I'm gonna get rejected, I'mgonna get abandoned, I'm gonna
get shamed.
Like, you know, if I if thisreally comes out, this is this
is gonna be, you know, I'm I'mgonna be banished for life.

(23:49):
But uh the truth is, is thatyou know, in this work, we
welcome this these parts ofourselves.
We and and there's so muchenergy that goes into these
places we're not even consciousof.
So for example, like, you know,in the place where I don't get
to have what I want, in thatmoment of jealousy, if I didn't,

(24:11):
if I didn't let myself knowthat I was jealous, if Jana had
asked me, I might have beenlike, no, you know, I'm I don't
teach, you know, I wouldn't haveeven known something about
myself.
And so we want to, you know,it's like like the places where
we're angry, you know, like it'slike you like you maybe you

(24:32):
have deep rage about something.
Well, maybe the rage is there,you know, in the place where
you're trying to hide it becauseyou think that rage is bad, you
know, because maybe your mom ordad, you know, expressed rage
in a way that was unhealthy foryou.
And so you made a promise, I'mnever gonna show that to anyone.
But maybe the rage you needlike is needed in order to set

(24:54):
healthy boundaries with people,you know, like you're mad that
all these things are happeningto you and you're not letting
anyone know.
And so it's like I'm givingexamples, but because this work
is so hard to describe, but theway that we do it, you know, we
do it through the body.
And so, you know, you come touh a workshop and you see we

(25:15):
have this big foam cube and thisbataka and uh or tennis racket
and you know, punching bag andpunching gloves and a mattress,
and you know, we're gettingpeople to hit and to move their
bodies and to sit, you know,express themselves in ways that
they've never expressedthemselves before.
And it's like, whoa, that's inthere.

(25:35):
Okay, let me let me face this,let me deal with this thing, and
let me see what the actualresponse is to this place in me.
Is it that people are actuallygoing to be judging me or
leaving me or and and uh maybeit is, but then you see you can

(25:58):
live through that.
Yeah, but a lot of times that'snot what it is.
A lot of times people comecloser because they feel more
connected to your you'rebringing out a true part of
yourself, and it's like good,I'm like this too, you know.
And so, yeah, Jenna, did youwant to add anything?

Jana (26:18):
No, I think you're doing so great.
Explaining, um, yeah, I mean,you know, you said you came to a
sexual fantasy workshop, and Ican imagine how that sounds.
Sounds like it's gonna bereally fun and sexy, yeah.
And no, no.
It's so painful and terrifying.

(26:41):
Um, and uh, Angela, I justthink you're doing a really good
job of of breaking down how weget to the root of what we all
defend against in differentways.
Um, and it's hard to get tothat place because you've built
a life um that confirms thatrevealing those places isn't

(27:04):
going to get you anything.
So you do need you do needhelp.
You need to be guided to have anew experience of yourself by
people who have gone there andcan hold you in that, but also
can be real people while they'reholding you with in that.
Um, and that's the you know,that's the realness of the
humanity that that you weretalking about being impacted by,

(27:28):
I think.

Yeah, yeah, it's um so powerful, and we're
all practitioners, but to andhumans, but it's like I have a
feeling, let me just run away.
And like the self-abandonmentand how many of us are running a
program, creating our life toavoid feeling one specific

(27:49):
thing, and the power of beingheld in a space where you feel
safe enough to feel it and cometo the other side where you
realize, wow, that did not killme.
That did not kill, I did notdie because I felt.
And it's revolutionary becauseso much of our world, I mean, so

(28:11):
much of my upbringing was like,oh, don't feel that, don't say
that, just shove it down, justhold it tight.
And if you are just likableenough in the ways that, you
know, 8.7 billion people thinkthat you specifically should be
likable, you know, you'll begreat.
And I felt so long living mylife so disassociated, so

(28:32):
disconnected from myself becauseI was running these patterns
and afraid to feel, afraid tolet people know the truth of who
I am.

Angela (28:43):
I'm I'm just curious.
I know this is your podcast,but I I'm curious, Brittany.
Like, are you feeling somethingright now?

Yeah, I'm I'm feeling awe.
I'm feeling like when you'reyou don't know what you don't
know.
You don't know what you don'tknow.
And as someone who has been inthe space of a lot of different

(29:13):
modalities, I'm like, we can hitit this way, we can hit it this
way.
Something about your space feltso deeply unlocking for me as
someone who works an embodimentand has spent a lot of time um
working to not be in a space ofdisassociation, to reach more

(29:36):
truth of myself, of all theplaces where I have left or
continue to leave.
Um and having this awareness inmyself now that's just really
in the front.
Um it feels really emotionaland liberating, and also like
still a bit scary and that's.

(29:59):
That awareness of like, I'm notgonna die by letting people
know me.
And the depth around being afacilitator that's human, it
just gives me permission to bemore human myself.
Um because I mean, even mymother with my mother is a very

(30:21):
famous teacher, professionalteacher.
Um, and all the guides I've hadof mentorship teachers, where
you it's just this pedestal-ything, whether they're doing it
to for themselves or it's justthe dynamic.
And to um hear you at one pointin our experience, Jana, share
that.

(30:41):
Hey, I made a micro mistake andshare that with the group and
just that freedom that everyonefelt of like, oh God, she's
human.
She's human and she's sayingshe can make a mistake, and that
means I can make a mistake too.
And like, we're gonna livethrough this.

(31:02):
We're gonna live through this,you know, child of a narcissist.
Like, you know, it's just um,yeah, I'm just I'm feeling a
lot, even just being in yourpresence and recounting our time
because it just felt soprofound.
And I personally have beenseeking other spaceholders who

(31:25):
have big enough space to hold meum for where I am on my
journey.
And so I also feel just like areign of gratitude and blessings
of like I found people whocould hold this.
Yeah.

Angela (31:41):
Well, I I the reason I asked was because I I I could
feel you as you were speaking,you know, and um, I mean, I'm
crying right now, but I and I,and so I really appreciate you
sharing so honestly.
And it's like like you beingembodied, I can feel you here,

(32:02):
you know, and feeling helps meto connect to you, you know.
I feel connected and I feelconnected to myself.
And that that this is kind of,you know, this is what we're
doing, you know.
We want to like uh we're wewant to know how to not betray
ourselves in order to start bein connection, but we you know,

(32:25):
to be true to ourselves.
And I just feel like you justdid that, you know, in a way,
like that was so beautiful.
So thank you.

Liset (32:33):
Thank you.
Thank you, thank you.
It touches you, Angela.

Angela (32:39):
Yeah, it really touches me.
It touches me.
Um like you know, whenever Isee somebody who's really like
it like with themselves in inthe truth of their feelings, you
know, it's like that is a Imean, I think it's a deeply
connecting force.
Yeah, and uh it's also scaryfor people, you know, and this

(33:05):
is you know, this is kind of thespace that we want to hold for
people is like it is scary.
We know we get it, it's scaryfor us too, you know.
Um it's scary for us to, youknow, be on a podcast and reveal
ourselves, even, you know, it'slike it's it's like to really
to share from like what we'repassionate about, what we love,

(33:25):
you know, how we feel, all ofthese things.
It's it's vulnerable, you know.
But and and if you're someonewho has been, um, I don't know,
like somebody who has beencriticized or is like there's
been some kind of negativereaction to that, you're gonna
want to protect it, you know.

(33:46):
And I think that I am somebodywho I mean, I have one of my
biggest fears is a fear ofjudgment, you know.
So it's like uh, you know, toto to share, like to really
expose myself in in any way,like uh in an honest way, yeah,

(34:07):
is there's a risk involved insome young part of myself, you
know.
The truth is that when I when Ido, I mean again, it's like
what I was saying, it's like,oh, there's more connection
here.
But but there's also even evenif there's connection in a
negative way, now I can holdthat.

(34:30):
Now, if you don't like what Isay, you can say that to me, and
we can still be in connection.
Yeah, that's not easy, youknow, like you know, to like
hold on to myself in that place.
Like this is what we're tryingto do for ourselves and what
we're trying to train people todo for themselves and for other

(34:51):
people with other, you know,with their clients or with their
people they work with, or youknow, I think that this skill is
uh becoming increasinglyimportant, you know, in the
world, not just in therapyrooms, but in businesses, in,
you know, organizations.
It's like to be able to, youknow, for the leaders to be able

(35:14):
to hold people like and to stayin connection in a way that
honors the individual, like whothey are, like and while
honoring who you are, you know,like that's I don't know.
I think it's it's becoming moreand more important, you know,
given the world that we're in,you know what I mean?

I feel it.
Um we are on the journey tobecoming parents, and we feel
that our son sent us to yourexperience.
Um from this place of like uh alot of us hold wounds from

(35:54):
childhood.
I reached out, I shared myself,and my caretaker, the one on
the pedestal, the one I thoughtwas God, showed up in some way
that I took to be abandonment,rejection, negative, all these
different things.
And I I feel like I don't sayI'm not a parent yet, but I'm

(36:16):
like, I feel like it's theultimate space holder position.
Like you're holding space for asoul as they're exploring and
to be able to hold that space ofpresence and connection and
allowing and humanity and I'mflawed and we're okay, and to to
allow yourself to keep beingable to connect.

(36:39):
Like, I'm thanks for such anincredible parenthood, you know,
baby shower gift like from theuniverse.
I'm just like, wow, God, we'rejust so spoiled.
I love it.
Thank you.

Liset (36:56):
Yeah, it's amazing.
I would love to speak into, youknow, it's hard to describe
happened and what happened inthat room and confidentiality,
obviously.
You know, I'll I I can sharefrom my experience.
One of the things, the places Iwas able to touch was my rage.
And in touching my rage, thisthing that I've always been
like, manage it, put it away,release it, do the work to not

(37:21):
engage with it because it's sodestructive, or I've seen it be
so destructive.
And one of the gifts I can Ican say from coming out of it
was how much I'm Brady looked atme and she goes, Do you just
want to be a little more savage?
And I was like, Yeah, I think Ido.
I think I just want to be okayjust being a little more savage

(37:44):
and not being around people thatI don't like being around, and
and honoring that boundary thatis natural instead of needing to
like everyone, you know, like Ican hold this boundary of where
I am in my development.
And the the ability we've hadto express upset since we've

(38:06):
been with you has been beyond.
Wow.
Just yeah, we we couldn't, andI'll reveal.
Yeah, yeah.
So we're like, well, this isme, sexual fantasy workshop.
Let's go.
And I really, the day westarted the process of
processing everyone, the firstthing I said is, I don't want to
go first because I want to seehow this goes.

(38:27):
So of course, naturally, wewent first.
And what needed to come throughwas us fighting and us be, you
know, and you had asked us if weever fight.
And I remember having this likewe have tools.
We have no, we don't fight,like, and yet needing to fight

(38:55):
and needing to express andneeding to express the upset and
moving through it and lettingmy rage out and letting my rage
make her feel fear and havinglike her watching her be upset
and not making it about me.
For the longest time, I've comefrom this place of do your
work, do your work, do yourwork, do your work.

(39:18):
And what I learned that weekendwas the ability to truly
co-regulate and that we can bothbe upset and love each other
through it.
And I could be loved in myrage, and she could be loved in
her dissociation, and and we canstep aside and go, I'm upset.
I'm upset that you didn'tfinish the dishes that happened

(39:40):
yesterday.
That happened yesterday.
I'm upset that I asked you todo the dishes and you didn't do
the dishes, and I'm like, okay,all right.
I'm upset that you asked me tomake dinner while I was folding
your laundry.
We got to have this like trulyco-regulating experience.
And I got to be in fear of,well, man, there's going to be

(40:03):
consistently a third personaround.
And it is very challenging tohave a date.
Right now we have our niece intown, and bless her, she's the
absolute like joy of my life.
At this moment in time, she'sbeen the closest thing I've had
to having a child.
And it's a third body in thehouse.
And, you know, I get a littleshy around intimacy, what she's
around, and she's like, I missintimacy.

(40:25):
And I was like, Oh my God,we're getting the preview of
what it's like to have a childaround.
And she's like, It's okay.
And we'll get we'll we'llregulate when we're there
together.
So, and that's the gift yougave us, and it's really
profound.
Thank you.
Oh yeah.

Jana (40:45):
I want to say to you, Lisette, that um I have a real
strong memory of that moment,you know, and that of you being
willing to get angry to revealthat it's so vulnerable for a
couple.
You made it safer for the wholegroup.
Yeah.

(41:05):
I don't know if you guysrealize that, but that you going
first and and revealing beingwilling to get in conflict in
front of a bunch of strangerswhen conflict is such a
vulnerable thing, it really setthe stage for how deep we went
that weekend.
Um, and you know, there's asharpness in you, Lisette, that

(41:30):
I reckon because I have it too,exactly.
And that that is good, that isyour love, actually, that is is
that is very direct, and that isthere's some things you said
that came out like like this,you know?
And and I I'm just I guess I'mjust delighted to hear that you

(41:53):
guys are like what you know,that you're letting yourselves
be in more conflict.
It's very intimate.
Um, and you know, some some youknow, we can say do your work
means I'm peaceful, like Ihandle all my stuff internally.
That is avoidance of your work.
Um, you know, which is toreveal yourself honestly and and

(42:17):
let it be messy and workthrough things with someone
else, which can be difficultwhen all that we saw in
aggression growing up wasdestruction and you know,
terrorizing disconnection.
Um so uh yeah, I just I justwanted to say it had an effect
on me.

(42:37):
I mean, I I also like Angela,um, I'll just say, you know, I
was a screenwriter and I was ashowrunner, and um, I came to
this work because I had to writea season of a show I'd created
that was about therapy, grouptherapy, and I'd never been to

(42:58):
therapy before.
And my my first workshop withAnn Bradney with my husband.
Um, so my first groupexperience was of this kind of
work, like you guys, was was thetwo of us together.
And um and you know, we did itmany, we ended up doing it many

(43:21):
times together.
And, you know, he and he wentand to Ann's program, and I went
and studied in the New Yorkprogram.
Both our lives and our marriagecompletely changed as a result
of this work.
I left my career and became afull-time score energetics
practitioner.
Um, but we would collude ingroups to not reveal the thing,

(43:43):
you know.
Um, you know, a couple is likea subgroup within a group, and
we we had a mask of ourrelationship that we would be
in, and we would trick the wholegroup into falling for it.

Liset (43:56):
Yeah.

Jana (43:57):
Some version of I'm the bitch, and he's the victim of
my, you know, bitchiness orwhatever.
Um, and that was a safer placefor us to be in and for us to to
reveal to the group than to toget to what was really going on.
So I just want to acknowledgeagain, like how brave you guys

(44:20):
were.

Liset (44:24):
I love it.

Jana (44:25):
I wasn't that brave.

We're always where we need to be, and the
path's always unfoldingperfectly because however you
were, it led to you being here.
And you're a fucking badass.

Liset (44:43):
Yeah.
Yeah, I I think one thing Iwant to express is how deeply I
feel your love in that space.
Like truly the fact that youshowed up as such authentic,
embodied humans.

(45:04):
When you when you spoke, I itwas so easy to believe
everything, like to drop intotrust and sometimes not feel
trust.
And you're like, it's okay thatyou don't feel trust right now.
And in the fullness of havingit was one weekend to feel all
the human experiences.

Much like medicine.

Liset (45:26):
Much like medicine.
Really, you know, the the otherone of the other deepest
experiences I've had in that isis um psychedelic medicine.
Except the characters are allhappening in my mind, you know.
But to interact and co-co-playand co-regulate with in a room
full of uh humans being humanswas beyond.
And I just so grateful for thework that you do.

(45:48):
Never knew it existed, which iswhy we're like, can you be on
our podcast so other people canknow that you exist?

Angela (45:55):
Would it be helpful?
Like, I mean, I'm aware thatyou know, maybe we should talk a
little bit about like kind ofhow the structure of it is, you
know, like we're we're speakingin very kind of general terms,
but absolutely um like theweekend when we're talking about
this kind of workshop, likeit's a Friday night, um, all day

(46:17):
Saturday, all day Sunday, butthe Friday night, you know,
we're doing an introduction, um,we're talking about this work,
um, we're we're kind of settingthe stage, but we're ultimately
because you guys, you know, alot of the people who come,
they've never met us.
So ultimately what we're tryingto do is we're trying to
develop some trust with usbecause we know that what we're

(46:41):
gonna be asking from you guys isto bring yourselves, you know,
and to not hold back and tofollow your impulses and to
allow yourselves to feel thingsthat you've maybe never felt
before.
And um, and so in order to dothat, you have to, we have to
demonstrate in some way prettyquickly that we we've got it,

(47:05):
you know.
And so, you know, we do somelike little group exercises, um,
but really like kind of todevelop the trust between each
other and the the members of thegroup and with us.
And then the following day, youknow, the Saturday, we come in,
we might do another exercise umthat kind of helps people to go

(47:27):
deeper, maybe a little teachingabout core energetics, about
this work, about what it means,the mask, the lower self, the
higher self.
Um, and then the the but thekind of the the bulk, the the
main stage of our work is theprocess work.
And we do that um it's allafternoon on that Saturday.

(47:51):
And that's the place wherewe're asking people, and this is
what's what's very difficult todescribe when you if you've not
done this work, if you've notseen it in some way.
Um, it just sounds like likeeven after I say whatever I'm
gonna say, people are gonna belike, huh?
What does that mean?

(48:12):
Don't hold back and follow yourimpulses.
And you know, but what we'reyou know, like somebody might,
you know, what we're asking islike somebody who has a feeling
inside of them or wants to gofirst and doesn't even know what
what that means, like, which iskind of what you guys did.
You're like, okay, I'll gofirst.
You know, and to see likewhat's there, like, because

(48:35):
there's always something that'sgoing on inside of ourselves.
We don't know, you know, likethere's so much that's hidden,
but usually something in thegroup will emerge.
Somebody will come forward andbe like, okay, I have a feeling,
or um, I don't like this, orI'm excited, or um, something's

(48:58):
going on with my kid right now,and I just really need to share.
Like what it could be, youknow, so many things, but
somebody comes forward and thenwe start to work with them and
we start to like slowly draw outlike what's going on.
And as we're doing this, we'reasking the group to be present,
like really present.

(49:19):
And if they're not present, tosay that they're not present or
to um name like what's happeninginside them.
Right now, I feel really angry,you know.
Right now, I want to leave.
Right now, I feel like um Iwant to just lay down, you know,
like you know, whatever it is,you know, we ask people to stand
where they want to stand, sitwhere they want to sit, like to

(49:40):
feel free in their bodies, butto stay present to the process
because what is happening ishappening.
The whoever is working, youknow, working, I'm saying
quotes, what what's coming upfor the rest of the group,
you're also working, you're alsoum, there's there are feelings

(50:02):
that are coming up inside ofyou, or not, maybe you're numb,
you know, but whatever that is,that's what you're working with
in yourself.
And the more that that can comein, a lot of times what happens
is that the person who'sworking, if people are saying,
Oh, I I don't feel present rightnow, or I'm feeling really

(50:24):
angry right now, these becomekind of parts of the person,
like, oh um, yeah, there's apart of me that doesn't want to
be here right now.
The part there's a part of methat's really angry.
There's a part of me that, youknow, it's like there's all
these different parts that arestarting to emerge.
And then how do we get that tocoalesce?
You know, how do we get them toconnect with each other?

(50:46):
Or what's actually happening inthis dynamic?
What what is what's what'shere?
We want to welcome all of it,and so in that process, clarity
emerges, you know, likesomething comes from that place,
and um, and we, you know, weget people to, like I said, you

(51:08):
know, maybe we get people tomove their bodies in a way like
that expresses feelings thatdon't get expressed.
We get them on the mattress andkicking and hitting, or get
them to hit the cube, or youknow, punch a punching bag,
yeah.
Or even just stand there acrossfrom somebody and just make eye

(51:29):
contact.
It can be very simple, it canbe very soft, you know, or maybe
we play a song or something,you know, maybe somebody holds
somebody.
It there's it it's you know,endless.
Yeah, it's like there's so manydifferent ways that it can go,
you know, and but what we'relooking for is the truth, you

(51:50):
know, of what's uh what's insideof you.
And you know, are are youwilling, are you willing to risk
speaking that or expressingthat in some way and seeing what
happens as a result?
And then, you know, usually,you know, some kind of deeper
connection emerges.

(52:11):
And if not, you know, maybesometimes it's like more, you
know, chaos or confusion orupsetness happens.
That's usually a lot of timeswhat happens on the Saturday
night, you know, people go backand they're like totally
disturbed, or you know, like,whoa, what just happened?
And then they come back onSunday, and there's more of that

(52:35):
processing that happens, youknow, like, okay, you know, now
let's let's go deeper even.
In this particular workshop, wehad a focus on sexual fantasy,
and we ask people to share abouttheir sexual fantasies if they
wanted to.
And um what we want to showpeople is that what you think

(52:56):
your sexual fantasy means is notwhat it means, you know, no
matter how uh dark, um the Ilike the word that Jana uses,
depraved.
Yeah, that it, you know, thathow we how much we judge our fan
fantasies and we think, youknow, it this means, you know,

(53:16):
this and this, it's not, youknow, and people inevitably are
kind of shocked, you know, bywhat it actually is bringing up
because it has something to dowith your deep unmet childhood
wound or need.
And that's what we're you knowtrying to get to.

(53:40):
And um, you know, that canbring up a lot for people, which
it did, you know.
So um, yeah, Jenna.

Jana (53:48):
Yeah, I I just want to go back if I can to something
because you're you're trying toexplain the inex unexplainable
thing about the group.
Um and I want to get to thesexual fantasy part, but uh for
me, like Angela's talking aboutthe constellation that emerges.
And the only way to get to thatconstellation is if people take

(54:10):
risks.
And that's our biggestchallenge as facilitators is how
do we get this group ofstrangers to start actually
taking risks?
Um, and in you know, groupswhere people, you know, this
this was a fairly inexpensive,you know, there wasn't like it
wasn't like a whole group ofpeople that had done it before
many times, but in groups wherepeople have done it before many

(54:33):
times and they understand themechanism of how it works, which
is take a risk, take a risk,bring yourself, bring yourself,
trust it.
You know, you want to move awayfrom someone, move away.
You want to move towards, movetowards.
Like you don't understand whyyou're feeling this thing, risk
bringing it out.
And what can happen issomething very dynamic where you

(54:54):
know, everybody's workingsimultaneously, and the group
field gets really um activated,and everybody's getting what
they need, and it's a veryenlivening and it's very
exciting, and you're part ofthis um this really wild ride
experience, you know, which wewe had together several times

(55:18):
over the course of that weekend.
And um, and it builds onitself, whereas you take risks
and you see where it goes, youfeel empowered to take more
risks.
But that is, you know, we haveto risk first as facilitators.
We have to reveal ourselves insome way.
Um, and that's what we'realways behind the scenes kind of

(55:40):
grappling with.
How do we make it safe for youguys to come out more, more,
more in places where you don'tcome out, you don't want to come
out, you don't have experiencecoming out, you know?
We're saying, no, no, followyour impulse.
You know, there's only threerules.
You can't hurt yourselfphysically, you can't hurt the
room physically, and you can'thurt anybody else physically,

(56:00):
but you can do anything else.
It's like anything, anythingmean?
You know, like why aren't Ibringing out my journal and like
taught like you know, we'retrying to get people out of
their heads into an experienceof disorientation where they're
out of control.
Um and you know, the our ourthe woman Ann Bradney, who uh

(56:28):
was both of our firstintroduction to this work, is
mat like beyond a genius atthis.
And um, and yeah, that's justlike a little behind the scenes
peek at, you know, you guys arehaving a how is this happening
experience?
And we are just continuouslysupporting more risk, more risk,

(56:51):
more risk, so that yeah, thething can get as big as it as it
wants to.

Angela (56:56):
Yeah.
And what we are hoping is thatyou'll take that out into your
lives, which it sounds like youguys have, you know, like and he
that's why it's it's so movingfor me to hear you guys are
fighting now.
Like that is so awesome, youknow, that you that that you're

(57:17):
now willing to bring out yourtruth and and be in conflict in
order to come into deeperconnection.
That's that's so awesome.
You know, that that'sessentially what this is.
It's it's a microcosm of theworld, you know.
It's like you want to build,you want to, you want to be able
to take risks in your lives.
You know, we don't want to be,I mean, I think at the deepest

(57:40):
level, we don't want to be stuckin our fears, you know.
We want to take the risks andsee what happens, yeah.
But you know, yeah, yeah.

Jana (57:50):
And and you know, we call it metamorphosis, which is like
very on the nose name.
Yeah, but that is what like youcan see Angela gets excited to
hear that you guys are fightingnow, you know, because this is
our joy.
This is doing this, you know.
Um, our work with our with theschool that we run is so

(58:12):
gratifying because of the levelof transformation that we get to
witness, right?
You guys did one weekend, youknow, when you're in a container
in a community and you'regetting it like through your
mind, you're learning thematerial, you're doing the
homework, you're in these huge,insane process groups, you're in
classes.

(58:33):
We get to witness people umchange very rapidly, and it's
incredibly touching.
You know, it's like Angelastarts crying just listening to
you, Brittany, you know, and Ithink I think that's why I do
this because I mean,screenwriting and TV, there's

(58:54):
always a way I was drawn to thedrama of life, you know, like,
and you can you can a lot of uswe experience you know our the
deepest emotions watchingtelevision, yeah.
Um, you know, watching a movie.
You let you let yourself feelthings you wouldn't normally
feel through the TV.
Um, and I started off kind ofproviding that experience for

(59:17):
people.
And then I went into Ant'sworkshop and was like, I'm I'm
in the movie.
You know, I feel like I'm inthe most intense, exciting
movie, but I'm not gonna die,like actually at risk.
But I'm feeling the level ofintensity and excitement that
I'm only used to feeling fromwatching television.
And wait, this could be mylife, this could be my life.

(59:39):
So, you know, like Angela, ittook me a while to be willing to
leave my very successfulscreenwriting career, but
ultimately, like, what's more?
Like, there's just nothing morefun than that.

You know, yeah, yeah.
Uh vulnerable question for youguys if you're open to sharing.
Um Um, what are the gifts, thelight that have transformed your
life and how you feel and howyou show up through this work,
through this process?
Like, how has it transformedyour life?

Jana (01:00:19):
I mean, a really big thing in my life is my relationship
with Angela.
You know?
Like I I I was always maybekept I kept myself probably at a
certain distance from myfriends.

(01:00:40):
You know, I didn't I was thegiver, I was the one who people
came to for advice.
Um, I didn't really reveal myown needs or let myself be given
to in a way.
I stayed on top in myrelationships.
And um I have a memory ofearly, early in our friendship

(01:01:06):
before we worked together oranything.
Um like feeling like I couldn'tbe on the top with her, you
know, and freaking out because Isure as hell wasn't going on
the bottom, you know, and andnot knowing an experience really

(01:01:28):
of equality in friendship, andand kind of feeling that
disorientation, the intensevulnerability of this being
friends with someone who couldgive to me as much as I could
give to her, um and how goodthat felt, you know, like just

(01:01:51):
imagine what it's like to haveAngela as your best friend, you
know, like the level of help andsupport that I'm getting all
the time.
It's insane, you know?
So um, and I really I think inthat moment I really wanted,
like I felt such a longing forthat level of support.

(01:02:15):
But the question was, was Igoing to let it in?
Um, and uh yeah, I mean, thisfriendship has changed my life.
Um, you know, our workingrelationship, like there's a lot
that we have to go through witheach other in terms of conflict

(01:02:36):
um in the running of our schooland in in just working through
things in our relationship sothat we can hold things for our
students and for the communitythat we're supporting.
And that has been verychallenging and very growthful.
And we, you know, trigger eachother or have transference with

(01:02:59):
each other in very specificplaces that some things like you
know, they we get moreconsciousness around them and
they get lighter.
But there's it's scary, I mean,at least for me, still to be in
conflict with Angela because Ilove her so much, and because

(01:03:21):
the relationship is so importantto me, that there's a real
feeling of like uh in a youngplace in me, in of danger um
that I superimpose onto therelationship, the a projection
of like of losing or a fear oflosing connection with her.
And even though I do this workall the time and I teach it, and

(01:03:42):
you know, I it's hum like it'sgood.
It's like the humility of likeI still have lots of places
where I struggle um to be inreality.

Angela (01:04:02):
Um I want to answer this question, but I I have to
like my mind is I I want to alsogo back to something, yeah.
Um, just be for the listeners.
Yeah.
Um because I don't want peopleto think that I am just like
excited that you guys arefighting because that's you
know, it's like that's not thepoint, you know, like that, you

(01:04:26):
know, there are certain coupleswho like they need to fight
more, and then there are othercouples that need to contain
more.
Yes, yes, and so it's like, youknow, we're like I just want to
be clear, like that's not thepoint, you know.
It can sound like there's a wayin which this can it can sound
that way, but um, so I justwanted to clear that.

Liset (01:04:48):
Can I add to that really quick before I so also, yes, we
have inviting more, which isfantastic, just from this place
of authenticity.
And and obviously we're not um,you know, beating a giant cube,
it's actually just taking therisk of sharing where we are.
And to add to the something Iwanted to add to it was while we

(01:05:09):
did not get to process oursexual fantasy, we got to
explore in a way afterwards.
Now that we understood the theconcept of sexual fantasy and
like knowing that that's ourunmet childhood need, we both
started taking risks there.
And that opened up somethingbeyond that probably needs its

(01:05:33):
own podcast, just to the lots ofgreat sex for listeners who are
curious.
Yes, yeah, like unbelievablenext level.
I mean, we've been together forseven years and we had the best
sex of our lives, like sincethat weekend.
So that I wanted to add that aswell.
It's not that you're gonna justjust fight more if you need

(01:05:54):
that, but it's like we got tothe place we wanted to go
through the most unexpectedroute.
Uh-huh.
So I wanted to share that aswell.

Goddess Brittney (01:06:02):
So and ain't that true about the universe.

Angela (01:06:05):
Wow, beautiful.

Jana (01:06:08):
Well, you know, suppressed aggression will negatively
affect your sex life.

unknown (01:06:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 02 (01:06:15):
Mm-hmm.

Jana (01:06:16):
Yeah.
I mean, that's a whole thatalso is a whole other teaching
podcast, whatever.

But that's us that that has sign up for their
workshops, y'all.

Angela (01:06:28):
But just to answer your question, which is a really
great question, Brittany.
Uh, you know, and you know,when you said it it would be it
might be vulnerable, it's like,oh, yeah, like what Jana just
shared is vulnerable.
You know, I know that that'svulnerable for her.
And I'm I really thank you,Jana.
You know.
Um, yeah, I guess um, you know,I'm I have a hard time like

(01:06:55):
answering this because it's likethe level, like how many things
I could share is just, youknow, it's too much.
Um, but maybe to just kind ofkeep it what where what what
Jana was saying, it's like mostof my closest friends now are

(01:07:16):
people who have done this work.
And so that just just thatalone is obviously like a huge,
you know, shift.
And what I talk about on adaily basis.
I mean, this is Jan and I speakalmost every day, and we speak
and what we're speaking about,and we can, you know, we can get

(01:07:41):
into minor or major conflictsand to work through the things
that we're working through.
Cause what we want to do is wewant to embody the teachings,
you know, what we're teaching.
And so it's like we're we're inconflict and it can be heated,
you know.
And meanwhile, we're alsohaving an observer self

(01:08:05):
somewhere that's like, oh, look,here's my defense.
Here's, you know, here's whereI want to hide from you, here's
where I want to get reallyaggressive with you.
And we're we're doing it.
We actually, you know, we'vetalked about like, God, it would
be so great if we could havesome of these conflicts on a
podcast, but like to hear whatwe the process that we go

(01:08:28):
through, you know, like beingable to have that is it's just
an incredible gift, you know,and it allows me to transform
almost on a daily basis.
So it's not just like um I'mdoing one process or I'm in a

(01:08:52):
you know, I'm in a session withmy practitioner and and then
that's it.
It's like it's it's like a it'sit's a it's a daily work, you
know, it's a daily practice in away, like the transformation
that's happening.
It's like what I'm trying towork with is is to let go of the

(01:09:15):
judgment that I have aboutmyself at all, you know, and in
this process.
And what Jana in myrelationship with her, um what
she does for me is she helps meto be the most human person that
I can be, you know.
Like she relishes in myhumanity, in the mistakes I made

(01:09:38):
today.
She was like, I hope for thisnext year that you make so many
mistakes.
And I'm like, you know, I haveto, you know, I've had to work
on the conditioning I've had tobe perfect.
You know, I grew up in a veryrigid household, you know, in I
mean, I was I'm ChineseAmerican, but you know, the

(01:10:00):
Chinese culture is like yougotta, you know, gotta be kind
of perfect, you know, and do itwell and um not show your
weaknesses.
And so, you know, a lot of thathas had to get undone for me
and to see what's underneath.
And underneath is a very human,very flawed person, you know,

(01:10:25):
who is working through her shitevery day, you know, while also
being this practitioner, thisfacilitator, you know, person
who can hold, you know, bigthings.
But yeah, that's the part thatI have that that I'm working on.
And it's and to to thetransformation for me is to

(01:10:46):
really relish it in myself, youknow, my my humanness.
And I I am starting to, andit's like the most relaxing
place because it means like Idon't have to be something in
order to be this practitioner,you know.
I I can uh just be myself,yeah.

That's such a great gift.
All of us getting to beourselves.
Yeah, exactly.
This has just been such abeautiful, beautiful
conversation.
And we would love for people toknow how they can find you, how
they can work with you.
Like there's workshops, there'sa school.
If you're in the school, areyou being a practitioner, or can

(01:11:31):
you just go to the school ifyou're like, I want to
experience it?

Jana (01:11:34):
Tell people how so um the first year is a personal
transformation year.
So you just commit to one year.
Um, it's it's year by year, butuh there's no practitioner
training requirement in thefirst year.
Uh, our first module is comingup in a couple of weeks, three

(01:11:57):
weeks.
Um what's the specific date?
Last week, uh the last weekendof October.
Great.
So the specific date is Angela,do you have it?

Angela (01:12:05):
October 30th.

Jana (01:12:07):
Two October 30th to November 2nd.
October 30th to November 2nd.
And it's five modules a year inperson plus integration calls,
plus homework, plus we're we'regonna give you a huge education
and experience um in that firstyear.

(01:12:28):
And uh, if people are seriousabout wanting to transform and
wanting to be part of a group ofpeople who are also serious
about that, then we wouldwelcome them to come and and um
we'll welcome them to have aschedule an interview with us,
right?
We'd welcome them.
So something about our schoolis you know, we do we screen

(01:12:52):
people, you know, because you ifyou do come, you're gonna be
part of a group of people whereit's it's appropriate for
everybody in the group becausethe work isn't just like
anything, it's not right foreverybody.
Um so you do have to apply, andthen we you know, we make sure
it's a good fit on both sides.
Um, we don't have any workshopsplanned right now.

(01:13:15):
We'll probably do, we'llprobably do some in the new
year, one or two in the newyear.
Um, but you know, if you'rereally excited by this, call us
about coming to the programbecause that's the place where
you're gonna get the most.

unknown (01:13:31):
Yeah.

Angela (01:13:32):
Is there is there a website?
Yeah.
Metamorphosistraining.ca.

Awesome.
We'll definitely put this inthe show notes.
You guys, it's coming up, andthis episode is coming out this
week.
So there's time to scheduleyour calls, to feel into if this
is right for you.
You know, maybe if you have adream, follow it.
Um we are very versed in thetaking steps and faith.

(01:14:04):
Um, I feel like so many peoplewho listen to this podcast are
also been on this journey of ifyou feel a pull, if you feel a
yes, if you feel like theremight be something there for
you, like take the risk of justscheduling a call.
It is not a marriage proposal.
There are no contracts.
Like have a call and find outif this is something that calls
to you and if it's somethingthat you feel would serve you

(01:14:26):
and in your life.
We went for somethingunexpected, you know, sexual
fantasy.
I'm a pleasure priest as I'mlike, oh, we're going to like a
dungeon with like feathers.
It's gonna be great, you know.
It was, it was very different.
And it was a it got to me tothe place exactly where I needed
to go, the thing that I wantedthrough the unexpected door.

(01:14:46):
And spirit is like that for somany of us.
So if you're feeling something,trust the unexpected door.
You don't have to know whatcore energetics was.
We had no idea, but literally,yeah.
So um, feel into theseincredible women and the space
that they hold and what it isthat they're offering.
And yeah.

Liset (01:15:04):
Yeah.
And I just want to give a justnotable mention to our friend
Libby, who's been working withyou, Angela, for years.
And for me, when Libby does aninvitation, it's always sacred.
And so Libby was the one whoextended that invitation to us.
And I was a yes because aninvitation came from Libby.
And, you know, we got toexperience your magic, and it

(01:15:28):
was unlike anything we'd everdone before.
So thank you for being thespaceholders you are.
Thank you for the magic thatyou share in the world, and
thank you for sharing with ouraudience.
Like, we really hope that theif you feel called to this, you
go and you just discover thelove inside and the humanity and
how wonderful you are justbeing you.

(01:15:50):
You know, because that was agift that you gave us.

Jana (01:15:54):
Wow.
Thank you.
Wow, thank you.
Yes, thank you very much.

Liset (01:15:59):
I loved that conversation.
I love them so much.
Yeah.
Like getting to tap back intothat conversation with them.
I felt the presence,authenticity, the rawness.
I was there all over again.
And I just have such a deepappreciation for the medicine
they serve that we just were notaware of before going there.

(01:16:19):
I know.
You don't know what you don'tknow.

We don't even know things were available.
I didn't know being gay wasavailable until I did.

Liset (01:16:27):
We didn't know core energetics was a way to tap
ourselves until we did.

It was it was a reminder to me of those kind
of deep transformational spaces,like when we were all pole
dancing and literally all of myfriends.
Like there were some who stayedthrough and through, but like
the core of my friends becameall the women who I was dancing
with at this pole studio becauseof the depth that we went to,

(01:16:53):
the permission, theauthenticity, it was just, it
was so real and so alive.
It was just like, I never wantto stop living in this
frequency.
And doing this work with them,I felt like a whole new um
opening of being in that kind ofspace again.
And it's just like to me, thepower of retreats, the power of
transformational work, the powerof facilitators who can really

(01:17:16):
hold the fucking space for youto actually go where you need to
go.
It was just oh, so profound.
Beyond.
Well, speaking of retreats, umI have a really special juicy
invitation for those who are inthe Pacific Northwest.
Or if you want to drive or flyin, do it.
Because my friend Jess and Iare hosting a day retreat

(01:17:38):
Saturday, November 8th.
It is called Passion Ignited,and we are teaching magic.
It's going to be sensualmovement introduction to
pleasure magic.
It's going to be delicioushigh-vibration food in a nature
sanctuary.
It's gonna be vibes, vibes,vibes, and it's at a fucking
steal.
Yeah, really.
We are we are we are in thespace of generosity and in the

(01:18:02):
space of scholarship.
So it is just 111.
Yeah, you did not hear thatright.
$111 for you to have a full dayof sacred ceremony, of ritual,
of high vibration food, ofsacred sisterhood.
And yeah.
And spots are limited.
Spots are limited.

Liset (01:18:19):
You do still want to keep it uh beautifully intimate
while empowering.
I will be there as well.
Yeah, she will.
Yeah.

But yeah, if you like these kind of
conversations, these kind ofspaces, like when people ask us,
how did you get invited to thatthing?
Or where do you mean?
We spend time in these kind ofspaces where you actually get to
let someone know the truth ofwho you are and share
vulnerably.
This is an invitation, a sacredinvitation to that kind of
space.
So if you feel the call, sayyes.

(01:18:49):
And with our dear sisters,Angela and Jana, like if you
feel the call to what we weretalking about, maybe you were
just like, I don't even knowhalf of what they were saying,
but I just feel something, ormaybe you fall asleep and you
have a dream about something.
Trust it.
Trust it.
Schedule a call with them.
Their new program, their new uhmodule one starts in just a few

(01:19:12):
weeks.
And this is something that wastruly profound for us.

Liset (01:19:18):
Yeah.

And really supported us in our path.
And we're sharing with you,these are practitioners who we
who we have trusted to holdspace for us.
So when you're on the path,discernment is key, and we love
finding the best of the best.
You're you're with the kings,y'all.
We go to the best of the best.

Liset (01:19:39):
We love the best.
And if we I mean if it wasn'tso great, we're not gonna talk
about it.
That's true.
There have been things we'vebeen to.

Never been mentioned on this podcast.
There have been great things.

Liset (01:19:50):
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
So, and you know, as always, ifyou have a question, give us a
call and 971-895-4111 or slideinto our DMs on Instagram at
honestfeedback podcast.
You can write a message in.
People have really been likingwriting it in.
Yes, they have Voice Anonymous.
I know.
And I miss the voice memos.

(01:20:11):
Anyway, until we meet again, behonest with each other.

Bye.

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