July 5, 2022 • 37 mins
She was a movie star packing box office clout, an action star ex-husband and three kids. He was a successful 20-something sitcom actor with eyes for Hollywood’s leading lady.
Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher’s unexpected marriage seemed like a fairytale... at first. They flipped the script on the usual Hollywood relationship age gap. They were the It Couple of mid-2000s and Demi’s ex Bruce Willis even came to their wedding. But as the allegations of Ashton’s infidelity came swirling and Demi’s decades of sobriety came to an end, the cracks began to appear.
In this episode of Hooked, Hitched and Hung Up, Britt Hockley and Laura Byrne are asking... did the relationship hasten Demi’s relapse? And in reclaiming her own lost youth, did Demi end up stealing Ashton’s?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
This episode was recorded on Wella Medical Land.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Just a heads up, guys, this episode's got a bit
of spicy language in it and has discussions of sexual
abuse and drug abuse, so it might not be one
for the little ears.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm Brittany Hockley and I'm Laura Burn.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Welcome to Hooked, Hitched and Hung Up, the show where
we take you inside the spiciest celebrity relationship stories of
our time. Now. Movie star Demi Moore was an absolute
icon of the nineties. At one point, she was the
highest paid actress of all time.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I didn't know this. Can I also say what I
didn't know? I always thought it was Demi Moore, not
Demi Moore.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So did I, And I think a lot of people
around the world stay incorrectly it's Demi how she So we've.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Been putting the wrong m fastest on the wrong salabile.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yes, that was very good, Laura. So today we're talking
about Demi mour and her relationship with our beloved Ashton Kutcher.
The reason this is so interesting is there was a
fifteen year age gap, which, with dem being older by
fifteen years, it.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Was a bit spicy and scandalous at the time. Wasn't
it very significant?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
And I think probably one of the biggest age gaps
that we saw in Holly were definitely one of the
earliest ones. I think they were in the forefront of this,
like it's okay to have these big age gap, It's
okay for the woman to be the older one. Fifteen
years was a really, really big time. She was an
og cougar. I can say that because I was a
cougar myself. I dated a guy seven years younger than me,
so like, but she doubled that.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
But you also weren't the og one. You were just
like a run of the mill old cougar.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
No. But I just feel like I can drop the
term cougar because I was a cougar.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Oh all right, let's get into the episode.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Well, the reason this is so interesting is we looked
at this like it was this beautiful relationship we had
this young heart Throb Ashton Kutscher, who married a beautiful
Demi Moore, very successful actress. But there were some very
very dark times that went on in that relationship that
I don't think a lot of people knew about. I
definitely didn't know about them. So we are going to
(02:17):
get into them. So we're going to kickstart with Demi.
She was born November eleventh, nineteen sixty two, so she's
now fifty nine years old, still looks like she was
thirty five. She still looks better than USI house, we're
half her age, but yes, she looks amazing. But she
(02:40):
had quite a tumultuous upbringing. Her father left her then
eighteen year old mother before Demi was born, so they
only had a two month marriage, so he never even
met his daughter.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I didn't realize until we did the deep dive in there,
just how fucked up her childhood and upbringing was.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Her childhood was very very dark, so her mother and
her stepfather were married and divorced twice, and her stepfather
ended up dying by suicide a year after the second divorce, devastating, devastating.
Her mother also had a super long history of arrest,
drink driving arson like. There were a lot of things
going on, so it was obviously a pretty unstable home.
(03:19):
But a real kick in the guts for Demi is
that she only found out about her biological father when
she was thirteen years old, and this was after inspecting
a mother's marriage certificate. She was a bit confused because
her mother and her stepfather were married only a year
after she was born, so she always thought her stepfather
was her father. She didn't know it was her stepfather. Now,
(03:40):
something really, really horrific happened that we're going to state
because Demi talks about it in her twenty nineteen memoir.
At fifteen years old, she was raped and her rapist
claimed that he had paid Demi's mother for access to Demi.
So this is absolutely her. This has come from her memoir.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
There aren't any words for her. But the two people
who are supposed to protect you in life, like your
two foundations that give you safety, protection love, have abandoned you.
Like that's what that is. You are in the world
completely on your own.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Well, she does say in the memoir, she says, look,
it is unclear if this is true. All she is
saying is that this is what the rapist had claimed
that was his claim. She will not know, I guess,
and she doesn't know if that is true. But whether
it is or not, this doesn't make the situation better.
It's absolutely horrific. But at age sixteen, she left home
and she left school.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
She has experienced so much that she shouldn't have to
experience as a sixteen year old.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Child, or no one should ever have to experience.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Absolutely, and then she's left her home. She's left school
and managed to still go on to be one of
the most successful and biggest movie stars in the world.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Leaving home at sixteen after that childhood and then becoming
the highest paid actress, they're well done. So she's moved
home and she signed with a modeling agency and started
to take acting classes at sixteen. She was super inspired
by her next door neighbor who was sort of doing
that kind of a thing. She appeared on the cover
of a French adult magazine we in nineteen eighty one,
(05:13):
but she lied about She alied about her age because
she was only sixteen, so you're not allowed to do that.
You still have to have like parental supervision, I guess.
So she said she was eighteen, which I think is
a common theme back then. I think a lot of
people will lying about their age too.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
For all the episodes that we've done now, it is
certainly a common theme. Like I was a child star.
I was pretending like I was twenty when I was
really fourteen. I mean, this one seems a.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Little bit standard Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, a little bit more believable. She was only aging
herself up by two years.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Usually they're like, I was five, but I told them
I was eighteen and they said it was like kept going.
So her first film debut was nineteen eighty one, a
teen drama called Choices that didn't really do it for her,
Like that was where she Yeah, it was her debut,
but nothing really happened with that. But she started to
gain some serious traction after starring some Elmo's Fire in
(06:00):
nineteen eighty five. So that was the movie that sort
of put her on the map.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
What a name. It just makes me think of like
Sesame Street after dark.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Okay, so she's only just made her debut, but it's
come out later. She has said that this is a
time she was actually suffering from a drug addiction. So
she came out and said that she was addicted to cocaine.
At this time, right before filming sent Almost Fire, she'd
actually checked into a two week rehab program. She had
to have a sobriety companion with her all through filming.
(06:31):
So she's only just been thrust into the world and
she's already doing rehab. She's already got a twenty four
seven sobriety companion. She does credit the director forgetting her sober.
So she's already imagine being that age, that young, and
you've already gone through so much life.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
And when you're eighteen, it's pretty fucking hard to know
that you have a problem with substance abuse, right Like,
even if you do having that self awareness of going, okay,
this is no longer just me being fun having a
fun party, to being like, okay, no, this is me
with a problem, and then being able to have that
conversation with someone who you respect, who's older than you.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
He could afflicted to the side and was like, two
hard basket, let's get another actress. But he didn't, And
I think that that's probably a rarity in Hollywood, especially
back then. But what really solidified her as the most
promising new actress was in nineteen ninety she starred alongside
Patrick Swayze, who we all love in Ghosts and that
(07:30):
is still to this day. Her most successful film role
is this.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
This is the one where they're like making the pottery
and he's like rubbing her arms and the clay and it's.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Very famous scene.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yes, yes, still the scene.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
She wanted to do a bunch of movies. A Few
Good Men in Decent Proposal nineteen ninety three, Disclosure nineteen
ninety four, all of her movies were opening at number
one in the box office, like everything she was touching
was turning to golds. So nineteen ninety five, she was
already the highest paid actress in Hollywood. There were literally
(08:03):
people fighting over her. There were bitting moors.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, she was the highest paid female actress. That she
wasn't the highest paid actor just in general, but there
were still plenty of men paid more than her.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
She was deemed a bit of a pioneer for equal
salary for women in Hollywood. She was starting the good fight. Okay,
so we do know that Demi ends up with Ashton Kutcher.
We love Ashton Kutcher, very handsome man. I definitely like
him less after I did the deep dive on this
because there's a lot that went down that I had
(08:34):
no idea about. I know, the shiny golden boy Ashton
Kutcher that the publicers have presented to us for our generation,
that's what I know. He's with Millicuners. He has this
bitiful relationship, but so much stuff went down with him
and Demi, and I'm going to tell you about it.
A lot of the information we have is quite one sided.
A lot of it is coming from Demi. She released
(08:54):
a book, She's done a lot of interviews about it,
she speaks a lot about it, so a lot of
it it's coming from her side of the story, whereas
Ashton has always been and still is quite private. So
I want to really drive that home that we are
telling you the facts. We've done the due diligence, but
a lot of them are coming from one side.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So Demi ends up with Ashton, but she also has
a few marriages and serious relationships before him, doesn't she.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Demi was married at only eighteen years old. She married
a musician called Freddymore.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
She was married at eighteen eighteen.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yep, she got married.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
He's a musician. He was twelve years older than her
and that's where she got her surname from. More, she
took his surname, but they separated in nineteen eighty three.
The divorce was said in nineteen eighty five, but she
kept his surname.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Isn't it interesting that such a formative part of her identity,
which is her name, actually came from a marriage that
she has nothing to do with anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
A surname you need to, you not need to, but
generally you have a connection to. It's something that you
want to carry on into the future. And as we
know about her past, I don't imagine she had much
of a connection or wanted to take that into a future.
Something she wanted to leave behind. So that relationship ended.
And then she got engaged to her our favorite movies
and Elmos Fire set to Street on Ruth. She got
(10:11):
engaged to her sent almost fire cost Emilio Estevez. I
absolutely love that name. Now, did you know Amelio Estevez
was Charlie Sheen's brother, Because I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
That, don't dull anyway.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I got you excited about that, but they called off
the engagement pretty soon after, pretty negible. Let's just scoop
past that relationship. In nineteen eighty seven, the year I
was born, a great year. Indeed, Demi married Die Hard
star Bruce Willis.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
That was a nice like their little relationship with their
beautiful kids like that was so wholesome and lovely.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
They went on to have three daughters that we see
in the media a lot at the moment, Ruema, Scout
and Tulula. But they separated in nineteen ninety eight, filing
for divorce in two thousand. While in Rolling Stone in
two thousand, Bruce Willis said.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I still loved Demi. We're very close.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
We have three children whom we will continue to raise together.
We're probably as close now as we ever were. We
realized we have a lifelong commitment to our kids.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Our friendship continues. The institution has been set aside. It's
difficult to live your life and marriage under a magnifying glass,
which is what happens to a movie star couples. It
was hard to maintain a marriage while the whole world
was looking on, and we see that so much in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I heard and let me know if this is right.
After Demi broke up with Bruce and they separated, that
she went on to have not before Ashton Kutcher, which
we all obviously know about. But there was another relationship
and she dated like a martial arts instructor.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yes, so she must like the action hero.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Not a famous person, just a martial arts instructor. Yep.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
His name was Oliver Wickham. And this is a relationship
that I think went really under the radar. They were
together for three years, so it was quite serious. But yeah,
he was just a martial arts instructor.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
It must have been smoking hot.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
They probably a lot of wrestling. Anyway, Mama, that lasted
three years. It didn't work out. And this is where
we meet Hollywood's hunk slash semi bad boy, Ashton Kutcher.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I don't think this is a good idea, Ashton Quiet.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
It'll be fine in and out two minutes.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
It's just now that we're here, I'm realizing all the
reasons that this is a really dumb heist.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
To Paul, don't call it a heist where let's say
liberating misallocated funds.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Okay, but we go to this school, so what so
if anyone sees us, then they're going to know who
you are straight away.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I'll probably just think I'm pulling an all nighter in
the library, cramming for finals or something.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
The library is closed.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
They won't know that, and you're carrying bolt cutters. Look
you're being paranoid.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Damn it.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So here we have it. Hollywood actor, venture capitalist sitcom
star Ashton Kutcher was arrested for trying to steal money
from his own school in the dead of night. He
is not the clean cut, golden boy that we all thought.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
What I want to know, was he trying to steal
money for himself? Like, was this like he was liberating
funds he knows where it was going. When you say that,
it makes it sound like it's like some sort of charity,
like he's some sort of vigilante. But really, was he
just being like a delinquent little shit.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yes, he probably just wanted to go party.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
But also at the time, he was actually quite a
like he was quite a good student, as in, like academically,
he was quite a gifted student. So he was in
line for getting scholarships. There was almost like a sure
pathway for him into university and he fuckd.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
It our help? Well? Yes, now let's get into Ashton's backstory.
He was born February seventh, nineteen seventy eight. Born in Iowa,
and his real name, like everyone else in Hollywood, is
not Ashton. It is Christopher Ashton, so he swapped out
the middle name for the first name. His mother was
a procter and gamble employee, father was a factory worker,
(14:06):
and he actually has a fraternal twin brother called Michael. Now,
Michael has cerebral palsy and cardiomyopathy. So cartiam myopathy. It's
just so you guys know, is a group of diseases
that affect the heart. So Ashton is in high school,
this is where he starts acting. He develops a real
interest in it. But his reputation was ruined completely when
(14:28):
he broke into that school at midnight to steal money.
Because they were arrested. He was convicted of third degree burglary.
He served three years probation and one hundred and eighty
hours of community service. He lost his girlfriend, he lost
college scholarships, He lost a lot because of that liberating
of funds, as he likes to call it, like he did,
he lost. He paid the price for that. But isn't
(14:49):
it interesting? I just feel like so many people in
Hollywood have this story. Everyone's like, oh, I was arrested
but look where I am Now.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
People don't just buy into an actor, they buy into
the person, you know, and they and that's how that
you become like a mega superfan. And I think that
that's been something that's so true of all the stories
that we've covered on this podcast. Every single one of
them has had this like overcoming adversity in their childhood.
What's funny because he does really hone in on that
(15:17):
he ended up going to university. Isn't it funny you
say this? You're like, oh, yeah, he had this really
like huge thing that happened to him where he broke
into a school and he did probation, he lost all
his scholarships.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
He went to Union. He still went to fucking Uni.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
The guy's fine, you know, stop him, No, exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
He went to Union. This is really sweet. He went
to major in biochemical engineering. And the whole point of
that was that he hoped to one day q I
Michael is twin brothers, Heart ailments. This is what he
wanted to do. But he also worked as a model
in New York. And I'm talking like the model that
really gets the body out Calvin Klein.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, so he was a really struggling university student.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It was hard times, Laura so hard being a model,
and he was super hot, Like we all know how
hot Ashton Kutch was.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
When did he start that seventies show? That was his
big break, wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
What was it? Was his first job and literally the
biggest show. Well, that was the seventy Show nineteen ninety
eight to two thousand and six, so he was on
that show for a pretty big chunk of time.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Like that was obviously like the sitcom that got him
onto and into everyone's homes. But his big break was
the stupidest movie in the high World that sometimes I
still repeat lines off, which was Dude Wears My.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Car, which is if you watched that back now, it's
not funny now, oh it's so bad, But it was
so funny when we were teenagers. Yep. I'm sure you
had a poster of him that used to make out
with as well from that period.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Dude, where's your car? Where's your car?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Dude?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I don't know, dude, where's my car?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
That was an hour and a half. That was it.
That was absolutely incredible, But back then that was what
was popular, and that, like you're right, that really skyrocketed
him and that somehow took him as like a freally
respected actor. He's pretty smart, Ashton. We do know that
because you went to you need to do bio chemical engineering.
But he was also a TV in his spare time.
He produced and I don't know if you remember, Yeah,
(17:04):
do you remember the show Punked? Do you remember that
prank show where he used to run around? That was it.
He's just the prank.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
People and it was wild. It was so wildly popular.
But then he was also behind the scenes on that
as well.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
He executive produced, but he hosted it, and I guess
that was like his little baby.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It truly was the dumbest time for comedy though, like
even Punked. Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
But he also produced Beauty and the Geek Ad Benches
in Hollywood, The Real Wedding Crashes, Opportunity Knocks Like. He
was doing a lot of things behind the scenes. And
the reason he was doing this This is something he
said to an interviewer in two thousand and four. If anything,
I'm a trier. I think more than anything, it comes
(17:44):
from the fact that my father always had several irons
in the fire. Also, I don't want to fail if
something doesn't work out. If that seventy show got canceled
or if I wasn't going to have a film career,
I always wanted to have a backup contingency plan, so
I just started doing.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Other things well, speaking of backup contingency plans. And this
is like obviously Ashton Kutchen now is obviously known for
his acting. That's his very public facing profile. People might
not know, but he does. He has hundreds of millions
of dollars, like two hundred and fifty million in a
whole lot of tech companies and some of the big
ones are like Uber Airbnb.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, he's he's super behind the scenes. He's a secret
investor and I think investor. He's made a lot of
money on it. But this is something that I find
really interesting. So in twenty eleven, he replaced Charlie Sheen
on the sitcom Two and a Half Men, And you
remember that, to me was engaged to Charlie's brother, Emilio
(18:42):
West of It. So this is all happening like before
the time, she was engaged to Charlie Sheen's brother without
knowing that she was going to marry the man that
took Charlie Shane's job.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
What a weird little like synchronicity, and it also just
makes you think like Hollywood's actually just very small.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And he was earning seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars
an episode, one.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I don't know, and this is back then. I don't
know why he was worrying about contingency backup plans, like
the man's doing fine. You're listening to Hooked, Hitched, and
(19:22):
hung Up, And this episode is all about the iconic
early two thousands love story between Ashton Kutcher and Demimur.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
How did the two of them actually come to be together?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Ashton and Demi meet by mutual friends. There's a dinner
in New York City. According to the UK Mirror newspaper,
they hit it off instantly. They went back to Demi's
place afterwards, they talked all night, falling asleep together, very romantic.
They I mean, that's they definitely had sex, That's what
I'm saying. But the way that it's reported is like
(19:55):
we just went back and talked and cuddled.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I gazed into each other's eyes.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I would not be cuddling if I was laying next
to Ashton Kutcha in bed. But that's just me. I'm
just saying. In two thousand and three, at the premiere
of Charlie's Angels Full Throttle, Demean Ashton walk the red
carpet together for the first time, So this is the
first time. To the world, they were like, here we are.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I remember how it came out, and everyone was just like,
oh my god, I can't believe they're dating. That's crazy.
She's so much older than him, even though they literally
look the same age. If you look at the photos, like,
it's not that, it's not like this big weird age gap,
it doesn't look like that by any means. But I
think it's always so interesting when the woman is older
than the man. It's such a cliche narrative that it's
just so much more shocking. If a famous man walked
(20:39):
down a red carpet with a girl who's fifteen years younger,
we would think it's normal.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Just show you how serious they were about each other.
Ashton had actually converted to Kabbala, which is a form
of Judaism, and that is something that Demi had been
practicing for a while. So I mean, to convert religion,
you're very serious about your relationship. So they were pretty
serious from the get go, Demi's daughter, Rumor happened she
had a huge crush on Weird. So Ashton was like,
(21:04):
because they're closing, get it, momyre closer.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
She's like, tap that girl.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Then all of a sudden, your mom brings home your crush.
You'd be like, have you brought him home for me?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Mum? Or But also imagine they then get married and
you're like, hey daddy, hey step daddy, this is weird
for everybody.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
She says, it wasn't weird. She's like, at the end
of the day, the second you know your mother is
dating someone, you don't see them like that anymore. Because
there are a lot of you know, those late night
talk shows, a lot of people tried to get some
some of the pull these awkwardness out of rumor. But
she was like, it wasn't awkward anymore. Yeah, I had
to crush on him, The whole world had to crush
on him. But when he's banging your mom, you definitely
don't look at him like that anymore.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
If there's one way to be turned off, it's thinking
about anyone banging your mom.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
In two thousand and five to me tells half as
bizarre I feel that we are married and that we
don't need something formal, so to do so isn't a
big deal one way or the other. It's not like
we're holding out. People of his saying are you gonna
get married where you guys at She's like, nah, we
feel like we are anyway. But then surprise they get
married at the same year.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I mean, you gotta love it when people play it cool,
because like, you know, maybe he hadn't composed yet, and
maybe she was really just like, yeah, yeah, we're taking
it slow. We're taking it slow, but like obviously not
the end of the day. You always just want to
get proposed to. Like so many people say, oh yeah,
we're just like seeing what happens. I can't cook girl.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I don't think she was playing it cool. I think
she was trying to divert the media attention.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I think she's trying to be like, oh, we might
knowing that they're going to get married. So they got
married the same year, as she said, I don't know
if we'll get married. We're pretty happy. They had like
a secret Beverly Hills wedding with one hundred guests, including
her ex Bruce Willis, because they are best friends, they
are happy families. All the kids were there, and this
is where for the next five years or so, we
see loads of appearances like with the whole blended family.
(22:47):
We see Bruce, we see Ashton, the kids to me,
like photos together at a bens.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I remember this time. I remember the time of like
the happy family of like six of them just going
out and having family photos. And it's an amazing thing
to see such a great example of what a blended family,
a modern family can look like.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
So when Demi and Ashton were together, they were really
passionate activists. They did start a foundation in twenty ten
that seeks to protect children from being forced into sexual slavery.
So they were doing really really good things in that world.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, that's amazing. The specific type of charity that they created.
It makes me think back to how that might have
been a tie in to Demi's childhood, you know, like
knowing that she never wants anybody else to go through
what she went through or potentially went through. That that's
where this real drive for creating this charity may have
come from. This story it does cast a pretty dark
(23:40):
bad light on Ashton, and as we said, this is
a lot of the stories coming from Deme's side, But
I think it is really important here to really hone
in on the work that Ashton did in a really
important space. He puts a lot of energy and time
and money into it, So I really want to drive
that point home to the guy is very, very young,
and who you are in your mid tis twenties is
(24:00):
not who you are when you're in your late.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Thirties, Like to me, actually acknowledged the age difference and
that that's probably a reason she was attracted to him
in the first place.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
She said, keep in mind, when I was twenty five,
I became a mom. I skipped straight from being a
young adult into motherhood and marriage. When I met Ashton,
it almost.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Felt like a doover, like I could just go back
in time and experience what it was like to be
young with him, much more so than I had ever
been able to experience it when I was actually in
my twenties. So I think she just felt like she
missed out in a lot. Her kids have grown up,
She's met this young, hot, successful actor, and she's lot.
Fuck it, I'm just going to go and live my
(24:39):
best life and live something that I feel like I
had taken away a.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Bit when to Me was doing that movie early on,
and the director got her sober, He got her sober
off everything, like she to me lives her life without drinking,
without partying, without doing drugs, and this was obviously a
time in Ashton's twenties where he was partying, and maybe
their life to voices in a line.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, and speaking of addiction, Demi actually said she was
addicted to Ashton, so she got sober. Obviously, She's like,
I was absolutely addicted to him, and she's like, I
recognized that it was unhealthy. She thinks that that's probably
what caused him to end up distancing himself, because he
started lying about where he was. He was spending less
time with her, and she thinks she probably ended up
(25:21):
being too much. She probably ended up smothering him. And
this becomes evident, and this is where it unravels. In
twenty eleven, six years after they got together, tabloids started
reporting that Ashton had cheated on to Me, including one
story that started, of all places, at a bowling alley.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Oh my god, that is Ashton Kutcher and to me more,
what's up girl? You are not going to believe this.
I'm at work at the Bowling Alley right now, and
Ashon Kutcher is here.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I'm serious. And he is with Demi Moore and one
of her kids.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Her lady from Ghost.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, and she just keeps on like bowling strikes. God,
I want to be Demi more so bad. Oh wait,
wait wait I think he's coming over. Wait what queen back?
Hi there you you are Ashton Kutcher. Uh yeah, from
that seventies show uh uh huh and the Butterfly Effect.
(26:23):
I love that movie.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I was actually just and that really bad Steve Jobs
movie that everyone hated it then forgot about when a
really good Steve Job's movie came out like two years later,
and then Michael Fassbender played Steve Jobs way better that one.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I just don't know how to answer that.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Oh sorry, I am so sorry for staring. But you
are the beautiful.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Oh well, thank you, you're quite beautiful.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Your soul?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
My god, why don't I give back these bowling shoes?
And uh you give me your number? This is absolutely wild.
This is where it all comes out. This is where
it starts. Ashton cheats on demimor his wife with a
twenty one year old woman that he met at a
bowling alley.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Can I say this though? You know when earlier when
Demi was saying that she felt like she was smothering him, like,
you know, she want to know where he was, and
he was lying to a blah blah blah. It doesn't
matter where he is, He's going to cheat on you
when you're in the room, girlfriend, like if you kids
absolutely crazy when you think about it like so, and
when you think how many women would have been throwing
themselves at him, to think that this is the opportunity
(27:32):
he takes, it makes you question. I'm sure he probably
took a few liberties elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Well, I think he did. Demi says, I remember the
night they met. We were at a bowling alley with rumor,
and when he went to switch out the shoes, she
gave him her number on a napkin. Or that's what
he told me at the time. When we got home
that night and he had showed it to me, I said,
that is just gross. We were there with our kid.
I had a real visceral response. It was revulsion. So
(27:59):
the fact that he had pursued her felt like a
real fuck you This wasn't the only time Ashton Kutcher
stepped out and did the wrong thing. There was a
woman at the hard Rock Hotel that Ashton had apparently
slept with, and this all came out by a Google
alert on Demi's phone. So that is how she found
out that he had just gone to the hard Rock
(28:20):
Hotel and cheated on her.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Way as in like a Google alert, like a news
article came up.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
US Weekly, Yep, that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I would really fucking suck Neil.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Notification from US Weekly. San Diego woman reveal she said
with Ashton Kutcher at.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
The hard Rock Hotel.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
This is all according to US Weekly, he was staying
with friends at San Diego hard Rock Hotel. Demi was
promoting a short film project, so they weren't together. It
was their anniversary. The story goes that Ashton and his
friends were prowling for women, that's the quote, but to
no avail. They headed back to their room and at
four am they met a woman named Sarah Leal. Ashton
(28:56):
invited Lel and her friend to his room, where within
five minutes they were all naked in the hotsab making out.
This is on their anniversary he is having a threesome.
So Demi's got this google it. She called Ashton right away,
probably hoping he would say I'm not crazy, like that
is crazy, but he straight up goes, Yep, it's true,
(29:17):
which speaks volumes. I guess for maybe where he is
in that relationship or where his head's at where he's like,
I not, I'm gonna argue with it. Yep, you caught me.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
It truly says a lot, doesn't it. It's almost like
it's gotten to a point where he's not like he's
intentionally sabotaging it, but it's that's an easy out that
seems like a coward's out, like yes, I got cheated on,
please leave me nout. It's just like, how do you
recover from that?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Well, you're going to love his excuse, Laura. He straight
up sent it to me that he was confused about
the status of their relationship and what was allowed and
what was okay because Demi and Ashton had had consensual
threesomes in the past. They had done that, they were
having a lot of fun in their relationship, so he
was like, oh, it just blurred the line, like I
thought that that men I could go and have other threesome,
(30:00):
but just like not with you, but not while you're
there on our anniversary, and not so that you know about.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Like, so he's trying to gaslight her, as what we're saying.
So he gaslighted to me more into feeling that she
should feel guilty for the fact that they had a
consensual threesome and that should have given him leeway to
do anything. Wow. Great, Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
To me as a memoir, she says, he was looking
for a way to deflect blame to maintain his perception
of himself as a decent family guy. So I guess
he probably convinced himself he probably actually genuinely believed that,
you know, when someone tells a lie so many times
that it becomes a truth. He probably really believed that, Oh,
I was confused. You had three reasons before I thought
(30:34):
it was okay.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Maybe it was just a way for him to be
able to like absolve himself for the guilt that he
felt for doing the wrong thing. You know, it's like
when you can pass a bit of that blame onto
the other person, you then don't have to sit in
the full immense gravity of what that guilt feels like
the fact that you fucked that up and you hurt
that other person, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yes, And this is also where very unfortunately, Demi relapses
into substance abuse. She had twenty years of sobriety, and
she claims that Ashton made it pretty difficult for her
to maintain that sobriety while they were together. She comes
out and openly talks on Jada Pinkett Smith's podcast Red Table.
You know they we all know that show. They all
(31:15):
on the Red Table. She said that Ashton had said
to her, now twenty years of sobriety, she said, Ashton
said to her, I don't know if alcoholism is a thing.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I just think it's about moderation.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
So he's taking that away from her. Here's someone that's
struggling with sobriety and he's living a really good life sober,
and he's saying, I don't think that's a thing. Why
can't you just control yourself?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
So she did.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
She started to think that, oh, he wants someone, he
wants a partner that he can sit down with and
have a wine with and have a dinner with. So
she started to do that. She's like, I was trying
to be someone I thought he wanted me to be.
He'd convinced me that that, you know, sobriety wasn't even
a thing, and alcoholism wasn't a thing. So she started
to have a wine here or there, and that's where
it just completely unraveled and always always made her feel
(32:02):
guilty for that. So if she had had a few
and a rough night, he would then show her a
photo the next day of her with her head in
the toilet and sort of make her feel really really
shit about it, even though he was semi encouraging of
it in the first place. So it sounds like it
was getting pretty toxic.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
We kind of need to value just how incredible it
is to do twenty years of sobriety, Like that's a
really amazing thing for a person to be able to achieve.
To then get to a point where they're led to
feel as though they're not going to be as loved
by their partner unless they can have a good time
and you know, just be a bit more of the
cool girl and a bit more chill and have a
glass of wine. Really undervalues and undermines what she has
(32:41):
spent twenty years creating for herself a life of sobriety.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah, and I think this is where she comes to
a bit of a realization. So he always used to
make her feel bad. He would come home, he'd be
angry at her, he'd be disappointed in her. She said,
he would have no compassion for the fact that she
had this problem in the first place. But then she
sort of acknowledges that, you know what, maybe I put
too much stress on him and there was too much
(33:06):
maturity expected from such a young person because he was
only in his twenties.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I think that there are people out there who aret
twenty five years old can have responsible, loving, respectful relationships
where monogamy is not a problem. But she is expecting
too much of where he is at at twenty five.
As as that specific person, you know, I think that
potentially the person that Ashen is now in his late
thirties verse that version of himself. I think there's probably
(33:32):
a lot of growth that's gone into that person, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
And she thinks that maybe what happened to her is
happening to him. She realizes that, like, so she's in
her forties now, and she's gone back to me with
someone in her twenties because she lost her twenties. Now
She's thinking, I've taken the same twenties. Yeap, is the
same thing happening to Ashton? Has he lost his twenties
and that's why this is unraveling.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
So I do remember Demi more and Ashen getting pregnant.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Now, this is really sad. They already had a bit
of a tumultuous relationship, but then to add to it,
they were pregnant. When they got to six months, dem miscarriage.
So miscarriage is hard at absolutely any stage, it's always horrific,
but six months on it is so advanced and the
whole world is what she knew. She really blames herself
(34:17):
for that.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Pregnancy loss so traumatic, it's so devastating. Women live with
so much guilt over every small thing that they may
have done wrong when something like this happens.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
They were facing a lot. Demi was finding her own
private battles. They had a huge age gap, they had cheating,
they had a miscarriage, and all of this was under
public scrutiny, under the public eye. In twenty eleven, the
same year that the first reports of Ashen's infidelity were noted,
that they called it quits, and Demi announcing a statement
to the press. It is with great sadness and a
(34:50):
heavy heart that I have decided to end my six
year marriage to Ashton. As a woman, a mother, and
a wife, there are certain values and vows that I
hold sacred, and it is in this spirit that I
have chosen to move forward with my life. This is
a trying time for me and my family, and so
I would ask for some compassion and privacy that you
would give to anyone going through a similar situation.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
That statement is not a conscious uncoupling statement. That's a
I'm leaving this marriage because you didn't hold up your
side of the bargain. Fuck you, That's what that is.
It's a really nice way of saying, you fucked this
up and I deserve better. Because this had been played
out publicly across the media, people already knew that, so
of course she was in some way going to allude
(35:34):
that to the fact that that had impacted their relationship
and the demise of their relationship. Well.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
He also made a statement, I will forever cherish the
time I spent with Demi. Marriage is one of the
most difficult things in the world, and unfortunately sometimes they
fail because you cheat. But I guess We're never going
to know if it was the tragic, tumultuous part that
(36:00):
to me had grown up. Was it the traumas that
she faced, the alcoholism, or was it the difference in age,
was it his cheating?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
What all these compounding factors, And you know, like this
story really does paint Ashton as like quite the villain
in this relationship. I mean, there definitely were aspects of
his behavior that were terrible, and maybe there was aspects
of demeise behavior that made it incredibly hard to you know,
having an addictive personality, maybe being controlling over him and
(36:27):
of the situation, wanting to know where he was and
what he was doing at all time. Not that they
both necessarily contribute equally to the demise of it, but
both people have contributed to that relationship equally. Maybe they
met each other for a reason and at a time
to help each other through some things or to go
through some things.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
But I think that it's pretty easy to see why
it didn't work out. There were just a lot of
things stacked against them.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
When we look at where they are in their own
points in life. Like Ashon's moved on, he's with Millerkunas,
who was his co star from that seven year show.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Demise as well. She's also moved on, which is really nice.
And she's actually with a former pro cyclist, Daniel Hump,
so that's cool too. She's got her own happy end, dude.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Do you know what? Though, this was a bit of
a sadder story, but it's nice to come full circle
and to know that they're both in happy relationships, that
they've both moved on with their lives and moved on
to better things. Thank you for joining us for another
episode of Hook, Pitch and hung Up, where we jump
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Speaker 1 (37:28):
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm Brittany Hockley and I'm Laura Burn.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Welcome to Hooked, Hitched and Hung Up, the show where
we take you inside the spiciest celebrity relationship stories of
our time. Now. Movie star Demi Moore was an absolute
icon of the nineties. At one point, she was the
highest paid actress of all time.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I didn't know this. Can I also say what I
didn't know? I always thought it was Demi Moore, not
Demi Moore.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So did I, And I think a lot of people
around the world stay incorrectly it's Demi how she So we've.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Been putting the wrong m fastest on the wrong salabile.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yes, that was very good, Laura. So today we're talking
about Demi mour and her relationship with our beloved Ashton Kutcher.
The reason this is so interesting is there was a
fifteen year age gap, which, with dem being older by
fifteen years, it.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Was a bit spicy and scandalous at the time. Wasn't
it very significant?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
And I think probably one of the biggest age gaps
that we saw in Holly were definitely one of the
earliest ones. I think they were in the forefront of this,
like it's okay to have these big age gap, It's
okay for the woman to be the older one. Fifteen
years was a really, really big time. She was an
og cougar. I can say that because I was a
cougar myself. I dated a guy seven years younger than me,
so like, but she doubled that.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
But you also weren't the og one. You were just
like a run of the mill old cougar.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
No. But I just feel like I can drop the
term cougar because I was a cougar.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Oh all right, let's get into the episode.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Well, the reason this is so interesting is we looked
at this like it was this beautiful relationship we had
this young heart Throb Ashton Kutscher, who married a beautiful
Demi Moore, very successful actress. But there were some very
very dark times that went on in that relationship that
I don't think a lot of people knew about. I
definitely didn't know about them. So we are going to
(02:17):
get into them. So we're going to kickstart with Demi.
She was born November eleventh, nineteen sixty two, so she's
now fifty nine years old, still looks like she was
thirty five. She still looks better than USI house, we're
half her age, but yes, she looks amazing. But she
(02:40):
had quite a tumultuous upbringing. Her father left her then
eighteen year old mother before Demi was born, so they
only had a two month marriage, so he never even
met his daughter.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I didn't realize until we did the deep dive in there,
just how fucked up her childhood and upbringing was.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Her childhood was very very dark, so her mother and
her stepfather were married and divorced twice, and her stepfather
ended up dying by suicide a year after the second divorce, devastating, devastating.
Her mother also had a super long history of arrest,
drink driving arson like. There were a lot of things
going on, so it was obviously a pretty unstable home.
(03:19):
But a real kick in the guts for Demi is
that she only found out about her biological father when
she was thirteen years old, and this was after inspecting
a mother's marriage certificate. She was a bit confused because
her mother and her stepfather were married only a year
after she was born, so she always thought her stepfather
was her father. She didn't know it was her stepfather. Now,
(03:40):
something really, really horrific happened that we're going to state
because Demi talks about it in her twenty nineteen memoir.
At fifteen years old, she was raped and her rapist
claimed that he had paid Demi's mother for access to Demi.
So this is absolutely her. This has come from her memoir.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
There aren't any words for her. But the two people
who are supposed to protect you in life, like your
two foundations that give you safety, protection love, have abandoned you.
Like that's what that is. You are in the world
completely on your own.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Well, she does say in the memoir, she says, look,
it is unclear if this is true. All she is
saying is that this is what the rapist had claimed
that was his claim. She will not know, I guess,
and she doesn't know if that is true. But whether
it is or not, this doesn't make the situation better.
It's absolutely horrific. But at age sixteen, she left home
and she left school.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
She has experienced so much that she shouldn't have to
experience as a sixteen year old.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Child, or no one should ever have to experience.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Absolutely, and then she's left her home. She's left school
and managed to still go on to be one of
the most successful and biggest movie stars in the world.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Leaving home at sixteen after that childhood and then becoming
the highest paid actress, they're well done. So she's moved
home and she signed with a modeling agency and started
to take acting classes at sixteen. She was super inspired
by her next door neighbor who was sort of doing
that kind of a thing. She appeared on the cover
of a French adult magazine we in nineteen eighty one,
(05:13):
but she lied about She alied about her age because
she was only sixteen, so you're not allowed to do that.
You still have to have like parental supervision, I guess.
So she said she was eighteen, which I think is
a common theme back then. I think a lot of
people will lying about their age too.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
For all the episodes that we've done now, it is
certainly a common theme. Like I was a child star.
I was pretending like I was twenty when I was
really fourteen. I mean, this one seems a.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Little bit standard Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, a little bit more believable. She was only aging
herself up by two years.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Usually they're like, I was five, but I told them
I was eighteen and they said it was like kept going.
So her first film debut was nineteen eighty one, a
teen drama called Choices that didn't really do it for her,
Like that was where she Yeah, it was her debut,
but nothing really happened with that. But she started to
gain some serious traction after starring some Elmo's Fire in
(06:00):
nineteen eighty five. So that was the movie that sort
of put her on the map.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
What a name. It just makes me think of like
Sesame Street after dark.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Okay, so she's only just made her debut, but it's
come out later. She has said that this is a
time she was actually suffering from a drug addiction. So
she came out and said that she was addicted to cocaine.
At this time, right before filming sent Almost Fire, she'd
actually checked into a two week rehab program. She had
to have a sobriety companion with her all through filming.
(06:31):
So she's only just been thrust into the world and
she's already doing rehab. She's already got a twenty four
seven sobriety companion. She does credit the director forgetting her sober.
So she's already imagine being that age, that young, and
you've already gone through so much life.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
And when you're eighteen, it's pretty fucking hard to know
that you have a problem with substance abuse, right Like,
even if you do having that self awareness of going, okay,
this is no longer just me being fun having a
fun party, to being like, okay, no, this is me
with a problem, and then being able to have that
conversation with someone who you respect, who's older than you.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
He could afflicted to the side and was like, two
hard basket, let's get another actress. But he didn't, And
I think that that's probably a rarity in Hollywood, especially
back then. But what really solidified her as the most
promising new actress was in nineteen ninety she starred alongside
Patrick Swayze, who we all love in Ghosts and that
(07:30):
is still to this day. Her most successful film role
is this.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
This is the one where they're like making the pottery
and he's like rubbing her arms and the clay and it's.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Very famous scene.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yes, yes, still the scene.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
She wanted to do a bunch of movies. A Few
Good Men in Decent Proposal nineteen ninety three, Disclosure nineteen
ninety four, all of her movies were opening at number
one in the box office, like everything she was touching
was turning to golds. So nineteen ninety five, she was
already the highest paid actress in Hollywood. There were literally
(08:03):
people fighting over her. There were bitting moors.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, she was the highest paid female actress. That she
wasn't the highest paid actor just in general, but there
were still plenty of men paid more than her.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
She was deemed a bit of a pioneer for equal
salary for women in Hollywood. She was starting the good fight. Okay,
so we do know that Demi ends up with Ashton Kutcher.
We love Ashton Kutcher, very handsome man. I definitely like
him less after I did the deep dive on this
because there's a lot that went down that I had
(08:34):
no idea about. I know, the shiny golden boy Ashton
Kutcher that the publicers have presented to us for our generation,
that's what I know. He's with Millicuners. He has this
bitiful relationship, but so much stuff went down with him
and Demi, and I'm going to tell you about it.
A lot of the information we have is quite one sided.
A lot of it is coming from Demi. She released
(08:54):
a book, She's done a lot of interviews about it,
she speaks a lot about it, so a lot of
it it's coming from her side of the story, whereas
Ashton has always been and still is quite private. So
I want to really drive that home that we are
telling you the facts. We've done the due diligence, but
a lot of them are coming from one side.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So Demi ends up with Ashton, but she also has
a few marriages and serious relationships before him, doesn't she.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Demi was married at only eighteen years old. She married
a musician called Freddymore.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
She was married at eighteen eighteen.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yep, she got married.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
He's a musician. He was twelve years older than her
and that's where she got her surname from. More, she
took his surname, but they separated in nineteen eighty three.
The divorce was said in nineteen eighty five, but she
kept his surname.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Isn't it interesting that such a formative part of her identity,
which is her name, actually came from a marriage that
she has nothing to do with anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
A surname you need to, you not need to, but
generally you have a connection to. It's something that you
want to carry on into the future. And as we
know about her past, I don't imagine she had much
of a connection or wanted to take that into a future.
Something she wanted to leave behind. So that relationship ended.
And then she got engaged to her our favorite movies
and Elmos Fire set to Street on Ruth. She got
(10:11):
engaged to her sent almost fire cost Emilio Estevez. I
absolutely love that name. Now, did you know Amelio Estevez
was Charlie Sheen's brother, Because I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
That, don't dull anyway.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I got you excited about that, but they called off
the engagement pretty soon after, pretty negible. Let's just scoop
past that relationship. In nineteen eighty seven, the year I
was born, a great year. Indeed, Demi married Die Hard
star Bruce Willis.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
That was a nice like their little relationship with their
beautiful kids like that was so wholesome and lovely.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
They went on to have three daughters that we see
in the media a lot at the moment, Ruema, Scout
and Tulula. But they separated in nineteen ninety eight, filing
for divorce in two thousand. While in Rolling Stone in
two thousand, Bruce Willis said.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I still loved Demi. We're very close.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
We have three children whom we will continue to raise together.
We're probably as close now as we ever were. We
realized we have a lifelong commitment to our kids.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Our friendship continues. The institution has been set aside. It's
difficult to live your life and marriage under a magnifying glass,
which is what happens to a movie star couples. It
was hard to maintain a marriage while the whole world
was looking on, and we see that so much in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I heard and let me know if this is right.
After Demi broke up with Bruce and they separated, that
she went on to have not before Ashton Kutcher, which
we all obviously know about. But there was another relationship
and she dated like a martial arts instructor.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yes, so she must like the action hero.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Not a famous person, just a martial arts instructor. Yep.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
His name was Oliver Wickham. And this is a relationship
that I think went really under the radar. They were
together for three years, so it was quite serious. But yeah,
he was just a martial arts instructor.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
It must have been smoking hot.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
They probably a lot of wrestling. Anyway, Mama, that lasted
three years. It didn't work out. And this is where
we meet Hollywood's hunk slash semi bad boy, Ashton Kutcher.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I don't think this is a good idea, Ashton Quiet.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
It'll be fine in and out two minutes.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
It's just now that we're here, I'm realizing all the
reasons that this is a really dumb heist.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
To Paul, don't call it a heist where let's say
liberating misallocated funds.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Okay, but we go to this school, so what so
if anyone sees us, then they're going to know who
you are straight away.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I'll probably just think I'm pulling an all nighter in
the library, cramming for finals or something.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
The library is closed.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
They won't know that, and you're carrying bolt cutters. Look
you're being paranoid.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Damn it.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So here we have it. Hollywood actor, venture capitalist sitcom
star Ashton Kutcher was arrested for trying to steal money
from his own school in the dead of night. He
is not the clean cut, golden boy that we all thought.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
What I want to know, was he trying to steal
money for himself? Like, was this like he was liberating
funds he knows where it was going. When you say that,
it makes it sound like it's like some sort of charity,
like he's some sort of vigilante. But really, was he
just being like a delinquent little shit.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yes, he probably just wanted to go party.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
But also at the time, he was actually quite a
like he was quite a good student, as in, like academically,
he was quite a gifted student. So he was in
line for getting scholarships. There was almost like a sure
pathway for him into university and he fuckd.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
It our help? Well? Yes, now let's get into Ashton's backstory.
He was born February seventh, nineteen seventy eight. Born in Iowa,
and his real name, like everyone else in Hollywood, is
not Ashton. It is Christopher Ashton, so he swapped out
the middle name for the first name. His mother was
a procter and gamble employee, father was a factory worker,
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and he actually has a fraternal twin brother called Michael. Now,
Michael has cerebral palsy and cardiomyopathy. So cartiam myopathy. It's
just so you guys know, is a group of diseases
that affect the heart. So Ashton is in high school,
this is where he starts acting. He develops a real
interest in it. But his reputation was ruined completely when
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he broke into that school at midnight to steal money.
Because they were arrested. He was convicted of third degree burglary.
He served three years probation and one hundred and eighty
hours of community service. He lost his girlfriend, he lost
college scholarships, He lost a lot because of that liberating
of funds, as he likes to call it, like he did,
he lost. He paid the price for that. But isn't
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it interesting? I just feel like so many people in
Hollywood have this story. Everyone's like, oh, I was arrested
but look where I am Now.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
People don't just buy into an actor, they buy into
the person, you know, and they and that's how that
you become like a mega superfan. And I think that
that's been something that's so true of all the stories
that we've covered on this podcast. Every single one of
them has had this like overcoming adversity in their childhood.
What's funny because he does really hone in on that
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he ended up going to university. Isn't it funny you
say this? You're like, oh, yeah, he had this really
like huge thing that happened to him where he broke
into a school and he did probation, he lost all
his scholarships.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
He went to Union. He still went to fucking Uni.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
The guy's fine, you know, stop him, No, exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
He went to Union. This is really sweet. He went
to major in biochemical engineering. And the whole point of
that was that he hoped to one day q I
Michael is twin brothers, Heart ailments. This is what he
wanted to do. But he also worked as a model
in New York. And I'm talking like the model that
really gets the body out Calvin Klein.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, so he was a really struggling university student.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It was hard times, Laura so hard being a model,
and he was super hot, Like we all know how
hot Ashton Kutch was.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
When did he start that seventies show? That was his
big break, wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
What was it? Was his first job and literally the
biggest show. Well, that was the seventy Show nineteen ninety
eight to two thousand and six, so he was on
that show for a pretty big chunk of time.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Like that was obviously like the sitcom that got him
onto and into everyone's homes. But his big break was
the stupidest movie in the high World that sometimes I
still repeat lines off, which was Dude Wears My.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Car, which is if you watched that back now, it's
not funny now, oh it's so bad, But it was
so funny when we were teenagers. Yep. I'm sure you
had a poster of him that used to make out
with as well from that period.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Dude, where's your car? Where's your car?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Dude?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I don't know, dude, where's my car?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
That was an hour and a half. That was it.
That was absolutely incredible, But back then that was what
was popular, and that, like you're right, that really skyrocketed
him and that somehow took him as like a freally
respected actor. He's pretty smart, Ashton. We do know that
because you went to you need to do bio chemical engineering.
But he was also a TV in his spare time.
He produced and I don't know if you remember, Yeah,
(17:04):
do you remember the show Punked? Do you remember that
prank show where he used to run around? That was it.
He's just the prank.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
People and it was wild. It was so wildly popular.
But then he was also behind the scenes on that
as well.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
He executive produced, but he hosted it, and I guess
that was like his little baby.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It truly was the dumbest time for comedy though, like
even Punked. Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
But he also produced Beauty and the Geek Ad Benches
in Hollywood, The Real Wedding Crashes, Opportunity Knocks Like. He
was doing a lot of things behind the scenes. And
the reason he was doing this This is something he
said to an interviewer in two thousand and four. If anything,
I'm a trier. I think more than anything, it comes
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from the fact that my father always had several irons
in the fire. Also, I don't want to fail if
something doesn't work out. If that seventy show got canceled
or if I wasn't going to have a film career,
I always wanted to have a backup contingency plan, so
I just started doing.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Other things well, speaking of backup contingency plans. And this
is like obviously Ashton Kutchen now is obviously known for
his acting. That's his very public facing profile. People might
not know, but he does. He has hundreds of millions
of dollars, like two hundred and fifty million in a
whole lot of tech companies and some of the big
ones are like Uber Airbnb.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, he's he's super behind the scenes. He's a secret
investor and I think investor. He's made a lot of
money on it. But this is something that I find
really interesting. So in twenty eleven, he replaced Charlie Sheen
on the sitcom Two and a Half Men, And you
remember that, to me was engaged to Charlie's brother, Emilio
(18:42):
West of It. So this is all happening like before
the time, she was engaged to Charlie Sheen's brother without
knowing that she was going to marry the man that
took Charlie Shane's job.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
What a weird little like synchronicity, and it also just
makes you think like Hollywood's actually just very small.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And he was earning seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars
an episode, one.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I don't know, and this is back then. I don't
know why he was worrying about contingency backup plans, like
the man's doing fine. You're listening to Hooked, Hitched, and
(19:22):
hung Up, And this episode is all about the iconic
early two thousands love story between Ashton Kutcher and Demimur.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
How did the two of them actually come to be together?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Ashton and Demi meet by mutual friends. There's a dinner
in New York City. According to the UK Mirror newspaper,
they hit it off instantly. They went back to Demi's
place afterwards, they talked all night, falling asleep together, very romantic.
They I mean, that's they definitely had sex, That's what
I'm saying. But the way that it's reported is like
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we just went back and talked and cuddled.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I gazed into each other's eyes.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I would not be cuddling if I was laying next
to Ashton Kutcha in bed. But that's just me. I'm
just saying. In two thousand and three, at the premiere
of Charlie's Angels Full Throttle, Demean Ashton walk the red
carpet together for the first time, So this is the
first time. To the world, they were like, here we are.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I remember how it came out, and everyone was just like,
oh my god, I can't believe they're dating. That's crazy.
She's so much older than him, even though they literally
look the same age. If you look at the photos, like,
it's not that, it's not like this big weird age gap,
it doesn't look like that by any means. But I
think it's always so interesting when the woman is older
than the man. It's such a cliche narrative that it's
just so much more shocking. If a famous man walked
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down a red carpet with a girl who's fifteen years younger,
we would think it's normal.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Just show you how serious they were about each other.
Ashton had actually converted to Kabbala, which is a form
of Judaism, and that is something that Demi had been
practicing for a while. So I mean, to convert religion,
you're very serious about your relationship. So they were pretty
serious from the get go, Demi's daughter, Rumor happened she
had a huge crush on Weird. So Ashton was like,
(21:04):
because they're closing, get it, momyre closer.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
She's like, tap that girl.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Then all of a sudden, your mom brings home your crush.
You'd be like, have you brought him home for me?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Mum? Or But also imagine they then get married and
you're like, hey daddy, hey step daddy, this is weird
for everybody.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
She says, it wasn't weird. She's like, at the end
of the day, the second you know your mother is
dating someone, you don't see them like that anymore. Because
there are a lot of you know, those late night
talk shows, a lot of people tried to get some
some of the pull these awkwardness out of rumor. But
she was like, it wasn't awkward anymore. Yeah, I had
to crush on him, The whole world had to crush
on him. But when he's banging your mom, you definitely
don't look at him like that anymore.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
If there's one way to be turned off, it's thinking
about anyone banging your mom.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
In two thousand and five to me tells half as
bizarre I feel that we are married and that we
don't need something formal, so to do so isn't a
big deal one way or the other. It's not like
we're holding out. People of his saying are you gonna
get married where you guys at She's like, nah, we
feel like we are anyway. But then surprise they get
married at the same year.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I mean, you gotta love it when people play it cool,
because like, you know, maybe he hadn't composed yet, and
maybe she was really just like, yeah, yeah, we're taking
it slow. We're taking it slow, but like obviously not
the end of the day. You always just want to
get proposed to. Like so many people say, oh yeah,
we're just like seeing what happens. I can't cook girl.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I don't think she was playing it cool. I think
she was trying to divert the media attention.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I think she's trying to be like, oh, we might
knowing that they're going to get married. So they got
married the same year, as she said, I don't know
if we'll get married. We're pretty happy. They had like
a secret Beverly Hills wedding with one hundred guests, including
her ex Bruce Willis, because they are best friends, they
are happy families. All the kids were there, and this
is where for the next five years or so, we
see loads of appearances like with the whole blended family.
(22:47):
We see Bruce, we see Ashton, the kids to me,
like photos together at a bens.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I remember this time. I remember the time of like
the happy family of like six of them just going
out and having family photos. And it's an amazing thing
to see such a great example of what a blended family,
a modern family can look like.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
So when Demi and Ashton were together, they were really
passionate activists. They did start a foundation in twenty ten
that seeks to protect children from being forced into sexual slavery.
So they were doing really really good things in that world.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, that's amazing. The specific type of charity that they created.
It makes me think back to how that might have
been a tie in to Demi's childhood, you know, like
knowing that she never wants anybody else to go through
what she went through or potentially went through. That that's
where this real drive for creating this charity may have
come from. This story it does cast a pretty dark
(23:40):
bad light on Ashton, and as we said, this is
a lot of the stories coming from Deme's side, But
I think it is really important here to really hone
in on the work that Ashton did in a really
important space. He puts a lot of energy and time
and money into it, So I really want to drive
that point home to the guy is very, very young,
and who you are in your mid tis twenties is
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not who you are when you're in your late.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Thirties, Like to me, actually acknowledged the age difference and
that that's probably a reason she was attracted to him
in the first place.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
She said, keep in mind, when I was twenty five,
I became a mom. I skipped straight from being a
young adult into motherhood and marriage. When I met Ashton,
it almost.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Felt like a doover, like I could just go back
in time and experience what it was like to be
young with him, much more so than I had ever
been able to experience it when I was actually in
my twenties. So I think she just felt like she
missed out in a lot. Her kids have grown up,
She's met this young, hot, successful actor, and she's lot.
Fuck it, I'm just going to go and live my
(24:39):
best life and live something that I feel like I
had taken away a.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Bit when to Me was doing that movie early on,
and the director got her sober, He got her sober
off everything, like she to me lives her life without drinking,
without partying, without doing drugs, and this was obviously a
time in Ashton's twenties where he was partying, and maybe
their life to voices in a line.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, and speaking of addiction, Demi actually said she was
addicted to Ashton, so she got sober. Obviously, She's like,
I was absolutely addicted to him, and she's like, I
recognized that it was unhealthy. She thinks that that's probably
what caused him to end up distancing himself, because he
started lying about where he was. He was spending less
time with her, and she thinks she probably ended up
(25:21):
being too much. She probably ended up smothering him. And
this becomes evident, and this is where it unravels. In
twenty eleven, six years after they got together, tabloids started
reporting that Ashton had cheated on to Me, including one
story that started, of all places, at a bowling alley.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Oh my god, that is Ashton Kutcher and to me more,
what's up girl? You are not going to believe this.
I'm at work at the Bowling Alley right now, and
Ashon Kutcher is here.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I'm serious. And he is with Demi Moore and one
of her kids.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Her lady from Ghost.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, and she just keeps on like bowling strikes. God,
I want to be Demi more so bad. Oh wait,
wait wait I think he's coming over. Wait what queen back?
Hi there you you are Ashton Kutcher. Uh yeah, from
that seventies show uh uh huh and the Butterfly Effect.
(26:23):
I love that movie.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I was actually just and that really bad Steve Jobs
movie that everyone hated it then forgot about when a
really good Steve Job's movie came out like two years later,
and then Michael Fassbender played Steve Jobs way better that one.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I just don't know how to answer that.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Oh sorry, I am so sorry for staring. But you
are the beautiful.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Oh well, thank you, you're quite beautiful.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Your soul?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
My god, why don't I give back these bowling shoes?
And uh you give me your number? This is absolutely wild.
This is where it all comes out. This is where
it starts. Ashton cheats on demimor his wife with a
twenty one year old woman that he met at a
bowling alley.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Can I say this though? You know when earlier when
Demi was saying that she felt like she was smothering him, like,
you know, she want to know where he was, and
he was lying to a blah blah blah. It doesn't
matter where he is, He's going to cheat on you
when you're in the room, girlfriend, like if you kids
absolutely crazy when you think about it like so, and
when you think how many women would have been throwing
themselves at him, to think that this is the opportunity
(27:32):
he takes, it makes you question. I'm sure he probably
took a few liberties elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Well, I think he did. Demi says, I remember the
night they met. We were at a bowling alley with rumor,
and when he went to switch out the shoes, she
gave him her number on a napkin. Or that's what
he told me at the time. When we got home
that night and he had showed it to me, I said,
that is just gross. We were there with our kid.
I had a real visceral response. It was revulsion. So
(27:59):
the fact that he had pursued her felt like a
real fuck you This wasn't the only time Ashton Kutcher
stepped out and did the wrong thing. There was a
woman at the hard Rock Hotel that Ashton had apparently
slept with, and this all came out by a Google
alert on Demi's phone. So that is how she found
out that he had just gone to the hard Rock
(28:20):
Hotel and cheated on her.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Way as in like a Google alert, like a news
article came up.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
US Weekly, Yep, that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I would really fucking suck Neil.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Notification from US Weekly. San Diego woman reveal she said
with Ashton Kutcher at.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
The hard Rock Hotel.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
This is all according to US Weekly, he was staying
with friends at San Diego hard Rock Hotel. Demi was
promoting a short film project, so they weren't together. It
was their anniversary. The story goes that Ashton and his
friends were prowling for women, that's the quote, but to
no avail. They headed back to their room and at
four am they met a woman named Sarah Leal. Ashton
(28:56):
invited Lel and her friend to his room, where within
five minutes they were all naked in the hotsab making out.
This is on their anniversary he is having a threesome.
So Demi's got this google it. She called Ashton right away,
probably hoping he would say I'm not crazy, like that
is crazy, but he straight up goes, Yep, it's true,
(29:17):
which speaks volumes. I guess for maybe where he is
in that relationship or where his head's at where he's like,
I not, I'm gonna argue with it. Yep, you caught me.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
It truly says a lot, doesn't it. It's almost like
it's gotten to a point where he's not like he's
intentionally sabotaging it, but it's that's an easy out that
seems like a coward's out, like yes, I got cheated on,
please leave me nout. It's just like, how do you
recover from that?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Well, you're going to love his excuse, Laura. He straight
up sent it to me that he was confused about
the status of their relationship and what was allowed and
what was okay because Demi and Ashton had had consensual
threesomes in the past. They had done that, they were
having a lot of fun in their relationship, so he
was like, oh, it just blurred the line, like I
thought that that men I could go and have other threesome,
(30:00):
but just like not with you, but not while you're
there on our anniversary, and not so that you know about.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Like, so he's trying to gaslight her, as what we're saying.
So he gaslighted to me more into feeling that she
should feel guilty for the fact that they had a
consensual threesome and that should have given him leeway to
do anything. Wow. Great, Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
To me as a memoir, she says, he was looking
for a way to deflect blame to maintain his perception
of himself as a decent family guy. So I guess
he probably convinced himself he probably actually genuinely believed that,
you know, when someone tells a lie so many times
that it becomes a truth. He probably really believed that, Oh,
I was confused. You had three reasons before I thought
(30:34):
it was okay.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Maybe it was just a way for him to be
able to like absolve himself for the guilt that he
felt for doing the wrong thing. You know, it's like
when you can pass a bit of that blame onto
the other person, you then don't have to sit in
the full immense gravity of what that guilt feels like
the fact that you fucked that up and you hurt
that other person, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yes, And this is also where very unfortunately, Demi relapses
into substance abuse. She had twenty years of sobriety, and
she claims that Ashton made it pretty difficult for her
to maintain that sobriety while they were together. She comes
out and openly talks on Jada Pinkett Smith's podcast Red Table.
You know they we all know that show. They all
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on the Red Table. She said that Ashton had said
to her, now twenty years of sobriety, she said, Ashton
said to her, I don't know if alcoholism is a thing.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I just think it's about moderation.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
So he's taking that away from her. Here's someone that's
struggling with sobriety and he's living a really good life sober,
and he's saying, I don't think that's a thing. Why
can't you just control yourself?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
So she did.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
She started to think that, oh, he wants someone, he
wants a partner that he can sit down with and
have a wine with and have a dinner with. So
she started to do that. She's like, I was trying
to be someone I thought he wanted me to be.
He'd convinced me that that, you know, sobriety wasn't even
a thing, and alcoholism wasn't a thing. So she started
to have a wine here or there, and that's where
it just completely unraveled and always always made her feel
(32:02):
guilty for that. So if she had had a few
and a rough night, he would then show her a
photo the next day of her with her head in
the toilet and sort of make her feel really really
shit about it, even though he was semi encouraging of
it in the first place. So it sounds like it
was getting pretty toxic.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
We kind of need to value just how incredible it
is to do twenty years of sobriety, Like that's a
really amazing thing for a person to be able to achieve.
To then get to a point where they're led to
feel as though they're not going to be as loved
by their partner unless they can have a good time
and you know, just be a bit more of the
cool girl and a bit more chill and have a
glass of wine. Really undervalues and undermines what she has
(32:41):
spent twenty years creating for herself a life of sobriety.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah, and I think this is where she comes to
a bit of a realization. So he always used to
make her feel bad. He would come home, he'd be
angry at her, he'd be disappointed in her. She said,
he would have no compassion for the fact that she
had this problem in the first place. But then she
sort of acknowledges that, you know what, maybe I put
too much stress on him and there was too much
(33:06):
maturity expected from such a young person because he was
only in his twenties.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I think that there are people out there who aret
twenty five years old can have responsible, loving, respectful relationships
where monogamy is not a problem. But she is expecting
too much of where he is at at twenty five.
As as that specific person, you know, I think that
potentially the person that Ashen is now in his late
thirties verse that version of himself. I think there's probably
(33:32):
a lot of growth that's gone into that person, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
And she thinks that maybe what happened to her is
happening to him. She realizes that, like, so she's in
her forties now, and she's gone back to me with
someone in her twenties because she lost her twenties. Now
She's thinking, I've taken the same twenties. Yeap, is the
same thing happening to Ashton? Has he lost his twenties
and that's why this is unraveling.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
So I do remember Demi more and Ashen getting pregnant.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Now, this is really sad. They already had a bit
of a tumultuous relationship, but then to add to it,
they were pregnant. When they got to six months, dem miscarriage.
So miscarriage is hard at absolutely any stage, it's always horrific,
but six months on it is so advanced and the
whole world is what she knew. She really blames herself
(34:17):
for that.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Pregnancy loss so traumatic, it's so devastating. Women live with
so much guilt over every small thing that they may
have done wrong when something like this happens.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
They were facing a lot. Demi was finding her own
private battles. They had a huge age gap, they had cheating,
they had a miscarriage, and all of this was under
public scrutiny, under the public eye. In twenty eleven, the
same year that the first reports of Ashen's infidelity were noted,
that they called it quits, and Demi announcing a statement
to the press. It is with great sadness and a
(34:50):
heavy heart that I have decided to end my six
year marriage to Ashton. As a woman, a mother, and
a wife, there are certain values and vows that I
hold sacred, and it is in this spirit that I
have chosen to move forward with my life. This is
a trying time for me and my family, and so
I would ask for some compassion and privacy that you
would give to anyone going through a similar situation.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
That statement is not a conscious uncoupling statement. That's a
I'm leaving this marriage because you didn't hold up your
side of the bargain. Fuck you, That's what that is.
It's a really nice way of saying, you fucked this
up and I deserve better. Because this had been played
out publicly across the media, people already knew that, so
of course she was in some way going to allude
(35:34):
that to the fact that that had impacted their relationship
and the demise of their relationship. Well.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
He also made a statement, I will forever cherish the
time I spent with Demi. Marriage is one of the
most difficult things in the world, and unfortunately sometimes they
fail because you cheat. But I guess We're never going
to know if it was the tragic, tumultuous part that
(36:00):
to me had grown up. Was it the traumas that
she faced, the alcoholism, or was it the difference in age,
was it his cheating?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
What all these compounding factors, And you know, like this
story really does paint Ashton as like quite the villain
in this relationship. I mean, there definitely were aspects of
his behavior that were terrible, and maybe there was aspects
of demeise behavior that made it incredibly hard to you know,
having an addictive personality, maybe being controlling over him and
(36:27):
of the situation, wanting to know where he was and
what he was doing at all time. Not that they
both necessarily contribute equally to the demise of it, but
both people have contributed to that relationship equally. Maybe they
met each other for a reason and at a time
to help each other through some things or to go
through some things.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
But I think that it's pretty easy to see why
it didn't work out. There were just a lot of
things stacked against them.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
When we look at where they are in their own
points in life. Like Ashon's moved on, he's with Millerkunas,
who was his co star from that seven year show.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Demise as well. She's also moved on, which is really nice.
And she's actually with a former pro cyclist, Daniel Hump,
so that's cool too. She's got her own happy end, dude.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Do you know what? Though, this was a bit of
a sadder story, but it's nice to come full circle
and to know that they're both in happy relationships, that
they've both moved on with their lives and moved on
to better things. Thank you for joining us for another
episode of Hook, Pitch and hung Up, where we jump
into some of the spiciest.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
And well known celebrity relationships.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
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