June 21, 2022 • 34 mins
Featuring everything from secret babies to an alleged hostage situation with a famous rapper, the love story between billionaire tech mogul Elon Musk and futuristic musician Grimes (aka ‘c’) is not your cookie cutter romance.
Our jaws first dropped when we saw the pair on the Met Gala red carpet, and those jaws remained firmly on the floor as they went on to have babies with unpronounceable names and to disagree with each other in very public forums.
But when your meet-cute is the result of a shared affinity for jokes about artificial intelligence and 18th century art movements, it’s to be expected that your relationship might be a little... unusual.
How did the world’s richest man fall for one of pop music’s more eccentric artists? Why are they always fighting each other on Twitter? And how on earth do you pronounce their son’s name?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
All right, folks, hold on, I know I said that
was going to be the last act of the night,
but you know.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
How we do it here. This ain't your average comedy club,
that's right, ladies, and Jens are very special.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Friend of the club is dropped by tonight to share
some new material he's been working on. Give it up
for billionaire tech mogul and wanna be comedian e Long Musk.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Thanks guys, wow, thank you. Really, it's an honor. You know,
I'm a lucky guy, what with Tesla's SpaceX and being
the richest person on the entire planet and all that.
But if there's one thing that's missing in my life,
well it's the fact that people don't see me as
a real comedian. But hopefully I can change that tonight.
What do you think? Thank you? Thank you. Well, let
(01:08):
me start off with one that I have been mulling
over for a little while. Now, what do you get
when you cross eighteenth century art with killer robots? Rococo Basalisk?
Get it Rococo Basalisk as in Roco's Basilisk. You know,
(01:30):
the artificial intelligence thought experiment, but it's Rococo like the
art movement. Nobody gets me, No, no I gets you.
So this seems ridiculous, and I'm sure everyone's.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Thinking, what are you guys talking about? But this joke,
if you can even call it a joke, but I've google,
I still don't actually understand it. It's something to do
with artificial intelligence tied with this big art movement. There
is apparently if you're in that world, there is a
funny joking.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Now I still can't see it. But this joke is
what started.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
The most unexpected relationship of all time. Well, what I
think is the most unexpected relationship of all time. This
is the relationship between tech billionaire Elon Musk and experimental
electronic musician Grimes Britt.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Even with you explaining the joke, I still don't understand
the joke.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I watched like a twenty minute documentary and I couldn't
find I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Figure out I'm Britt and I'm Laura. This is hooked, hitched,
and hung up.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Hey guys, just a quick heads up. This episode contains
a brief mention of suicide, sexual assault, and occasional spicy language.
All right, Laura, I am coming to you with probably
one of the weirdest, most wild, most convoluted, and far
(02:59):
fet relationships in the public space in a long time.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I mean, we've already covered a few of them, so
I know, and I think it just gets more wild
and wild.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
But this has got to be the wildest, and I
guess because it's still pretty current. I am talking today
about Elon Musk and Grimes.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I feel like their relationship is wildly famous, but no
one knows any details.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Elon fascinates me. He's so giving. Okay, He's given so
much money. I'm talking billions to charity. He's so so generous.
He's like the modern day superhero. Someone tweets him and says,
Elon Musk, our country has this problem, help and he's
literally there to save the day the next day.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
He's the modern day superhero. I think this is so
interesting that you say that, though, because like he is
the type of billionaire that goes beyond billionaire. He is
so stinking rich, like so stinking rich that nobody could
ever comprehend how stinking rich he is. So when you
say he's really generous, I've read something that he'd only
given like two percent of his combined wealth to charity,
(03:59):
which I know is billions of dollars. It's still like
six billion dollars, but it's only two percent of the
money that he has. So when you say he's so generous,
I'm like, mate, two percent if that would be like
you or I, you know, giving one thousand dollars or
one hundred dollars, whatever it is. And then people being like,
she is so generous.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, but he pays like thirty billion dollars a year
in tax.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, good, so we should Okay, so we know what
side of the fence law is off. You're gonna make cars,
you better pay for those roads. It is also, okay.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
The reason people love him so much, and the reason
that I loved him so much, even though he's controversial,
I originally loved him so much because he's self made.
And now when I say self made, it's not like
he had a rags to riches story. He was born
and raised in South Africa. His mum was this beautiful
model and his dad was an engineer by trade. But
his dad was very successful in his own right, Like
(04:47):
he owned half an emerald Mind in Zambia. He owned
a bunch of other things. He didn't grow up poor,
but he did make his money on his own.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I mean, I'm sure having an emerald mind was helpful.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, definitely helps you on the dark days. So Elon
went to university in America. He got a double degree
in economics and physics. He's definitely no dummy. After that,
he started a PhD at Stanford University. But this wasn't
as successful as his original university degree, so he dropped
out after two days and he started a company Zip two.
(05:19):
After he sold Zip too, he began another company that
would eventually merge with PayPal. And of course we know
that he went and did Tesla, the electric car company.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
He did SpaceX. He got this big rocket company. He's
sending rockets everywhere because.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
This company, he plans to start a new civilization on Mars. Like,
if you were trying to start a new civilization on Mars,
you've got too much money.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Elon a mask is worth more than two hundred billion dollars. Yeah,
like way more, which I think is why when you
think about the percentage that he's given to charity, six
billion dollars really isn't that much money. It's a piss
in the ocean, Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I'm on the fence with him because I'm on one hand.
I'm like, you are an incredible human. You're using your
brain for a lot of good. You're using your money
for a lot of good. Then he'll go and say
something so stupid online. I'm like, man, you're really ruining
this for me.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So I feel like everyone knows a little bit about
Elon Musk, even if it's just surface level stuff, But
tell me a little bit more about Grimes.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Grimes is one of those people that, to be honest,
you know the name, you know that she was a
little bit weird, bit of a weird artist, but you
don't know anything about it.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I didn't know anything about it. Her music was not
for me.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
She's very eccentric, and I don't actually know what she
looks like because she's always dressed up in so many costumes,
eccentric makeup, different colored hair, She could walk past me
on the street.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I wouldn't know who. She's literally a walking Instagram filter.
Grimes's real name. It is not Grimes.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Her name is Claire Bouchet, but she now refers to
herself just as C and not a capital C, not
a bold sea, a little small italic sea. She comes
from really strict parents. She's very, very smart. They're a
very intellectual family. Her mother was a Crown prosecutor and
her father was an investment banker. He now is in
the business side biotech, so he I guess he has that.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Kind of an interest.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Her childhood was pretty I mean pretty standard, pretty nerdy.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I did read that her dad used to read to
her when she was a toddler. Lord of the Rings. Now,
let me tell you, as a mother of a toddler,
I'm lucky if I can get halfway through ABCD.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
She grew up reading sci fi books, so I guess,
I guess this is that thing. Is this like nature
versus nurture? Do you think that she got into this
world because of the influence of her father reading her
sci fi books as a child, like she had that
was her only option, But I think BAMBI.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, but I think it also just goes to show
that she's a genius. The things that she was exposed
to and things that she was opting into as a
very little child, it makes it so obvious that she
is like a completely left a field genius child.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
She's on a different level. She was really badly bullied
at school. There was a lot of bitch and slut
being written on her lockers, and she said she had
a really hard time there. Fast forward to two thousand
and six, she went to study neuroscience and philosophy with
a double minor in Russian language and psychoacoustics. Now I
know what you're gonna ask me, Laura, what is psycho acoustics?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I mean, I know, I know exactly what that is.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Of course, it's the study of our psychological response to
certain sounds. I still don't know why anybody would want
to study this.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I mean, I think it's really interesting because sound can
it's so emotive. I mean, it's not something that I
would want to dedicate nine years of study two but
it's very interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Because of this really weird degree that she's doing psychoacoustics,
she had to learn how to use logic and garage bands,
so garage band. I mean, everyone knows that I was
on the Apple computer. You know, it's like it's like
a music editor. Yeah, she had to learn how to
use that.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
It's almost like her music career was just like this
little sidekick hobby. And she was there doing like quite
a very intensely academic degree. Whereas you think, like most
people who become famous for music or like really get
into that sort of like superstar role, it's because they've
dedicated their whole life to being a musician. And she's
just like, yeah, I learned garage band on the side.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, She's like, I'm so smart, and now I'm bored
and I'm learning garage band and now I'm grime.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
And that was it. That was how Grahams was born.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
That was literally she stumbled across it at university in
a completely different degree. A friend got her to sing backups.
She wasn't too bad, she learned how to do it.
She thought she was good at she started gramps.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Okay, so that all sounds very I mean, as much
as it's a bit of a different way of getting
into music, it all sounds very mainstream. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So she created two albums that didn't really you had
to be very very in the underground world to know
who she was and what she was doing. But her
third album, she says that she pretty much just like
locked herself away, did drugs for seven to ten days,
did the whole album in a total of like three weeks,
(09:39):
and wrote a killer album, and that is what put
her on.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
The radar of the world. This is literally she wrote,
I blacked out the windows and did tons of amphetamines.
What are time to be alive? Hey?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
But the third album she called it, she actually named
it Visions, which is probably because for three weeks she
was on amphetamines with.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
The curts closed and knows what kind of visions she
was having.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
But yeah, this is literally what put her on the
world's radar. But one of the singles from the album
is called Oblivion. It was one of Grimes's most personal songs,
and I guess it's a defining moment of Grimes and
who she was. And she's pretty opening this sense about
telling the world things that happened to her. She says,
this song is about being violently assaulted and it made
(10:20):
me crazy for a few years. I got really paranoid
walking around at night and started feeling really unsafe. The
song is more about empowering myself physically amongst a masculine
power and the hate of feeling powerless, making light of
masculine physical power, making it jovial and non threatening. I
took a typically violent cultural situation and made it pop
(10:41):
and happy. She starts to speak very openly about issues
she has had with violence and men in the past,
and the reason that when she gets together with Elon
Musk down the track, the reason people are a bit
confused about it, especially her superfans, is because people are like, well,
he's a bit of a misogynist. He's made all these
(11:03):
comments in the past about women and about pronouns and
his use of pronouns and grimes.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Whilst she doesn't.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Say that she goes by they or them, she still
says that she can be referred to as as she
and her, but she wishes no one had to have pronouns,
and she's very vocal about that as well.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
So it almost seems like contradictory, especially when you have
somebody in who is a bit underground and people are
like so invested in them because they feel so seen,
because maybe they're a little bit of alternate, and then
they've found like they're Queen Bee who's different in the
same way that they are different to Then when she
matches up with Elon to kind of feel a bit
almost betrayed, like it doesn't match up, it doesn't make
sense to them. And I do remember that when that
(11:45):
relationship went public, there was like people were so confused
by it.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
But Grimes, after she released her third album, she became
very popular. She released her fourth album, which is called
Art Angels, that came out in twenty fifteen, and that
has actually been aimed as one of the top five
hundred albums of all time.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And I still don't understand that. I know, I've never
heard a song of it neither, but there must be
some neither, there's some people who are listening. They're all underground.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
This is where she comes a bit more mainstream. So
we see her at Glastonbury, She's going to his awards ceremony.
She's starting to wear Chanelle, she's starting to sew.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Coming pop star. She's becoming a pop star.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
She's transitioning from the basement to a bonifid pop star. Well,
let's talk about how they even met, because how does
a tech billionaire on one side of the world meet
somebody like Grimes, who is this like underground music wizard.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And I think it has something to do with Rococo
whatever that is.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So I actually love the way they met. Believe it
or not, Elon Musk one day came up with this
joke about Rococo basilisk that we just talked about a
little bit earlier that none of us still understand. He
came up with this joke in his head and he's like,
this is brilliant. I wonder before I tweet it if
anyone has ever come up with this joke before.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I better do my due diligence and check.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Because you don't want to go and post something that
you say you've just thought of it and someone else
has posted it.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
So he jumps onto Twitter does a little search.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
To see if anyone has ever made this joke, this pun,
and one person in the world had tweeted it. One
person had come up with it, and believe it or not,
it was Grimes. So somewhere on the other side of
the world, probably locked up while she's doing drugs, Crimes
has come up with this pun on her own and
she's tweeted it. He's like, wow, I can't believe anyone
(13:27):
else in the world is as smart as me.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I'm going to DMA. Don't you love that? Like for
all the rest of us when we hear those two
words together and we're like, what the fuck are they
talking about? He's getting a bone eye. He's like, this
is me done. And they have like some weird little
secret language and thing that's going on that they can
both understand on a level that none of us can
relate to. I mean, I wonder if there's anyone listening
to this podcast he's like, oh, yeah, I know what
(13:49):
that is. I get it. It probably heaps feels fast.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I tell you what, if there's anything that's going to
make you feel bumb, it's doing the research on Elon
Musk for me to bring today else like, I don't
know how I'm gonna do this episode. These are the
two smartest humans in the world.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
You get, the dumber you get, you're like, oh, that's
where I am in life. I actually can't tell you.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
During this research, I googled more words than I have
ev googled because I didn't know a what they meant
or b how to pronounce them. Just things that Elon
has said in passing and I'm like, I better just
quickly search that one.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Anyway, the research took me like three weeks.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
The world first sees Grimes and Elon must together.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
They turn up to.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
The met Gala together, that big fashion event, just the
who's who. They turn up there together, and that is
where the world goes, what the actual fuck?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I mean, I do remember these photos from the met Gala.
They look like polar opposites. They look like they should
not be together, but also like, what a perfect time
and a perfect like costume opportunity to be together. Like
if anything's ever gonna suit Grimes's vibe, it's rocking up
at the met Gala. She'd like that was what she
would probably wear on a normal Tuesday, But she did
actually get to wear it at the met Gala and
didn't look out of place. And I think like nobody
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was ex expecting their relationship at all. That's what kind
of took everyone by such surprise. I mean, in retrospect,
we know about this joke and this Twitter thing that
went on, but like at the time, everyone was like,
I'm sorry, how do you even know each other?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
So they've turned out to the Mechala, the world has
gone crazy. And the tweets are hilarious. No one understood it,
no one. They had obviously been dating quietly for a
few months, but to the world it came as a
really big shock, especially because Elon wasn't really your typical celebrity.
He's not a celebrity that would be at the met Gala.
He's not a musician, he's not an actor. He's just
this man with a lot of money that seems to
(15:33):
be putting himself everywhere.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
But some of the tweets were, what do Grimes and
Elon Musk even talk about?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I bet they just sit around the dining room making
squirrel noises and drinking glasses of rocket fuel.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I knew I shouldn't have written my Grimes a Elon fanfic,
and that dusty old journal I found in the Haunted
antique store.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Elon Mustad and Grimes is all the proof you need
to know.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
We're in a simulation.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
No one could believe it. Now might be a good
time to mention that Elon Musk this isn't his first
big relationship. He's been married and he actually has five kids.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
He married a.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Woman named Justine Musk. She still has his last name.
They were sweethearts at university.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
They will be on and off.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Calls herself his starter wife, and they had a son.
They had a baby, and at ten weeks old, unfortunately
he passed away from Sid's Sudden infant death syndrome.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
It's awful.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
They then went on to have twins, and then they
had triplets, so they had five kids. Holy duly, Yeah,
in like a pretty small space.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I mean, I'm not surprised that the relationship didn't work
out with all that happening.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
The insight that Justin gives into their relationship sets the
scene for why the world can't understand why someone like
Grimes is with someone like Elon, Because Justine said she
always felt like she was walking on eggshell. She had
to be a trophy wife. He wanted her to constantly
dye her hair blonder, to look a certain way. The
house always had to be kept immaculately. I'm sorry, but
if you're worth three hundred million dollars, get me a cleaner.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I mean interesting to say that, though, because can you
remember Elon Musky four? He actually got with crimes like
he had Oh my god, he had such a glow
up in recent years like he is getting hotter as
the years go by. I adn't gonna find him hotly.
You're just poor. Exactly about fifteen years ago, ten years ago.
I don't even know how it was. He was like
kind of boulding, like really like he looked a little
(17:16):
bit like an alien.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
He got like a hair transplant or hair plugs. He
did get a hair dread because he went from like
a four to five six.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Weirdly, I find him kind of hot now. So he
long story short.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
They divorced very very rapidly, well what feels like rapidly
to Justine. So then he he leaves her and he's
dating a very very young, beautiful model three to six
months later, So he moved on very quickly. He started
to day hurt that didn't work out. He moved on
from her, and that's when he got together with Grimes.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
But these are all.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
The reasons that Grimes' fan base couldn't understand why she
was dating somebody like Elon Musk, and they sort of
started to turn on her. You know, all of a sudden,
she's in Chanelle, she's at the Mechala, she's with Elon Mask.
Everyone's like, you're not the person that you publicly portray
(18:12):
this is Hooked, Hitched, and hung Up, And in this episode,
we're unpacking the unexpected coupling of tech billionaire Elon Musk
and electronic musicians Slash Ultimate Manic Pixie Dreamgirl Grimes.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
There are a lot of reasons.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That this relationship took the world by surprise, and I
think one of the biggest ones is the disparity in
their wealth. How much money Elon had in comparison to Grime.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I mean, no one is going to ever match up
to how much money Elon has.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
What wouldn't matter who he dated, unless he dated Jeff Bezos.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Is that the other rich perion.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
What a beautiful couple that would make if they dated
maybe what would probably still be unusual. So at that time,
Mosk was reported to be worth about twenty billion dollars.
This was twenty seventeen, twenty billion dollars, and Grimes, in
her own right had made money. She's worth about three
million dollars, which is a great amount of money, but
not in comparison to twenty billion.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
That's like me having five cents. Yeah, But in terms
of mismatches, I think like from the outset, I kind
of looked at Elon as being like this really quite respectable,
quite conservative, white, well dressed, a really normal guy.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I mean, it's easy for us to sit here and
list out all the reasons why these two are not
right for each other, but they obviously have stuff in
common to make the relationship work. Otherwise we wouldn't have
seen them dating for years.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Well. I also think that this is the ultimate case
of don't judge a book by its cover. But really,
I think when you start to scratch the surface and
you look at their personality types and like what their
core values are, I do think that they have a
lot of similarities. Their shared interest in technology, their shared
interest in futurism in science, also potentially their interest in psychedelics. Like,
there are so many things here. I think when the
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judgment came in initially from the public, it was more
to do with their aesthetics than it was actually to
do with who they are as people.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Aesthetics and I think the world that they live in, in
the world that they've come from, for me, that's it.
But the second you dig a little bit deeper, you
realize how alike they are. Maybe he has a different
side that we haven't yet seen and it's starting to
seep through.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
So let me set this scene up.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It's twenty nineteen and Grimes has tweeted that she is
collaborating on a brand new song with rapper Azilia Banks.
So like, everyone is so excited about that because that
would be amazing. So Azilia was flying in to stay
at their property with them and they were going to
make all this music. The day before she arrived, Eyor
posted one of his most infamous tweets to date, and
(20:34):
he has done a lot, but he was claiming that
he was going to take Tesla, so that was his
car company. He was going to take Tesla private at
four twenty per share. Now, four to twenty a share
is a weed reference.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I had to look that up, Okay, I you mean,
and by look at that, you mean I had to
explain it to you. So four twenty, if you don't know,
is like a number that represents marijuana.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, So he's tweeted that he's taking Tesla at four
twenty a share. So there are some people that are laughing,
being like, this is just a child, it's a jo's body.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
He's making a joke.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
But there are other people thinking his company is going
to go private. This is him telling us at the
end of the day, this is market manipulation. He ends
up getting in a lot of trouble for that. But
that's not the weird part about this. The weird part
is Banks claimed that when she was at the property,
she heard him trying to find investors, so despite saying
(21:27):
his funding was already secured, she heard him absolutely scrambling.
She also watched Grimes molly coddling him, you know, like
trying to that Drim. Yeah, except I think they'd been
on a bender. I think that a lot of stuff
had gone down together, they'd gone into hiding. He'd done
this tweet. Now he's gotten in trouble for market manipulation
because people took this as gospel. People took this as
like financial advice, and or everyone that had shares in
(21:50):
Tesla had to make a decision about what they want to.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Do about that. The thing that makes this whole story
so weird is that as Elie Banks had stayed at
his house, and then Elon Musk turns around and says
that he's never ever met as Elia Banks, So who
was lying? Why would you make it up?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
And for her to make up a story saying I
heard him scrambling for investors. He does not have investors, Like,
that's not something you would make up.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
That's not a story to make up.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
And of course he's going to say he's never met
up because that's his out. He's like, oh, she's I've
never met I don't know who she is.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
The whole thing is weird.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
So things do start to slightly unravel for Elon Musk now,
because do you remember in twenty eighteen this was absolutely huge.
Remember the twelve boys in their football coach in Thailand
that got trapped in the cave. It was his race
against time to save them before the tide comes up,
but they all drew. It was it was horrific. But
you might remember that Elon Musk publicly said I will
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give you my SpaceX experimental submarine to save them.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
That's what he said. The authorities declined.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Because they were like, great, that you have it, we
get it. You're rich, you've got submarine. But right now
the twelve boys lives are at risk. And that is
stupid because he was, I guess publicly declined.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
He responded by Twitter.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Again, it seems like that's the only way Elon Musk
can communicate Twitter with a video of the submarine and
he said.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Sorry, pedo guy, you really.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Asked for it, with no context or proof that this
guy was a pedophile. So he's just called this guy,
this man a pedophile just because his ego took a
hit because they were like, we don't want you submarine.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I remember this tweet and then I remember the rest
of it, which was like trust me, he is a pedophile,
Like I don't need proof kind of thing. This went on.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
There was more to this, but my point of this
is like we're starting to see a different Elon Musk.
We're starting to see some really really strange, mean, manipulative
behavior that we hadn't yet seen. We've always just known
him as a bit of an intellectual, a philanthropist, somebody
that we're like, well, we're loving everything he's doing.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
It's so futuristic.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
But now we're little bits of the real Elon Maskers.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Creaking through the cracks. Well. I also think if it's
because like the more that he's become social facing famous,
and the bigger his Twitter following has amassed, and now
that he is this incredible like behemoth on Twitter literally
owns the thing that we've become more conscious of the
stuff that he's posting. I don't think that it was necessary,
that it wasn't he wasn't doing it before. But like
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the accountability around it has become greater and greater. Well,
they get weirder. Just when throw yourselves in baby here
we come.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, just if all of this wasn't enough, this the
pedophile calling, the Azilia banks saga, the being charged, remark
and manipulation.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
They have a baby.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Elon Musk and Grimes have a baby.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Do you know what they call it? X y Z
potato tomato forty two times seventy four by the power
of pie. You got it. Literally, not one person in
the world knows what that baby's name is, nue I,
not even the baby, not what that baby's name is.
X ash A twelve.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Now I'm going to call it x Sasha twelve because
I think he's trying to make it, but it's x
ash A twelve. But I would call myself probably just
like ash or x or twelve twelve.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
So bad he's sleeping. I'm sorry, I just need to
finalize the naming form. Have you decided on a name we.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Have we're going to call him.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I'm sorry, could you repeat that? Of course his name
is and is that with A or A?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
No, it's spelt with an X a dash twelve.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Oh, I see it's lovely.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Now. I know you think that the name is very,
very strange, but once it's fine, once you hear the
reason behind it. I'd like to say it all makes sense,
but it doesn't. But it does have some meaning. But
it's not like Musk's grandmother's name. That's not the kind
of meaning we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah. Also, like when you say meaning, like most people
are like Laura it means flowers in Spanish or something.
Brittany means the sound of the wind. Who bloody knows?
Like the names always like have like a nice meaning
behind it. And I'm gonna guess this isn't your fay
your face that is that's definitely not named after his grand.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
X is the unknown variable in algebralgebra. The AE symbol
is her Elvin spelling of AI, which she explains as
love and.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Or artificial intelligence. Now Elvin is like a little it's
like a like an elf, like a cool elf. Yeah,
because she that's.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
How she, I guess, sees herself and she attaches to that.
So we've got algebra, We've got elf. The eight twelve
is the precursor to the SR seventeen, which is their
favorite aircraft because it has no weapons, no defenses, just speed.
Great in battle, but non violent. So they're named after
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an algebra studying elf that flies a non violent plane.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Is going to be unpredictable, full of love, and very fast,
is what they're saying. That's all I'm getting.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
The kid is so confused, Like I just told you
what the name was.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I couldn't even tell you again. I just talked, well,
like we were done. Yeah, let's not circle back. What
about when he's on Tinder one day? It was gonna
be like going on, this child will own Tinder.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
After this, we start to see a little bit of
a difference in their relationship. He starts to tweet things
that he knows are going to anger or offend Grimes.
So Grimes hasn't publicly asserted pronouns, but she has said
that she wishes she didn't have to be classified as
female constantly. She's very fluid, she's artistic, and she's just
ever evolving. She just wants to live her best life.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, and she's like very accepting and very like progressive
in terms of how she sees gender identity and the
conversations around like labels, and he is the complete opposite.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Imagine knowing that you have told your partner, I'm not
gonna say husband because I didn't get married, but you've
told your partner that you don't really like pronouns and
you're very fluid. And then he knows this about you,
but he goes and publicly tweets pronouns suck.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
That's what he wrote.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Take the Red Pill, which is like an obscure reference
to the matrix.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
When someone takes the red Pill, it's like they're back
into reality, Like they're like facing what is real verse
like this delusional or like created environment that well it's
been it's a bit of a rallying cry.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Now, like take the red pillars of reference that is
associated with men's rights organizations. So at the end of
the day, he's tweeting things that are very men's rights
and he's saying pronouns suck. When Grimes is like, I
don't like pronouns.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
So is it then kind of like obviously like LinkedIn
to like misogyny and he.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Knows it's offensive to it. That's what he's doing. It's
almost like he's trying.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
To poke the bear.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
But then when he tweeted pronouns suck. This is twenty
twenty and they've got a six month old child. Now,
Grimes tweeted back, I love you, but please turn off
your phone or give me a call, which is a
nice way to be, Like, you are in so much
trouble when you get home.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
How embarrassing. It's so embarrassing, Like I mean, like that
stuff can go down when you're not a public figure.
But like imagine when everybody, like every tabloid, every newspaper,
every magazine, every journalist is viewing that and then just
being like, well that that is that's embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But then almost but then also for Grimes to feel
like she has to publicly tweet these things back instead
of just having a conversation in private at home, because
otherwise it looks like you are in alliance with your
partner's thoughts.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yes, she had to tweet back.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I cannot support hate. Please stop this. I know this
isn't in your heart.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Well, because at the end of the day, this is
contradictory to the public image that she's been putting out
to the brand that she's been creating for herself to
all of her followers, and it's also so incredibly disrespectful
to such a huge group of people who like love Grimes,
like her supporters, her lovers, and everything else. And then
if she didn't do that and make a public statement
exactly what you said, she's then implying that she's okay
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with that, and that she's an extension of his like
very right winged views.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But it's almost like he has this history of repeating
itself in the sense of he gets into these relationships
and he's very loving and supportive at the start, and
then his true colors start to seep out after a
little while, and it's like, you can't control himself.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Well, it's like such a statement of power as well,
but it's also really belittling, like it's really putting down,
Like if you love and respect someone, you're not going
to go intentionally out of your way to shit on
something that's important to them. And he's done it, but
on the most incredibly huge scale and so casually recklessly
as well. One little tweet bloop. They end up breaking up,
but then they get back together. Oh yeah, I know
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what you're gonna say, and their relationship does not end
with like an on again, off again, on again, It
goes on again, off again, on again, off again, Sorry
get baby on again, off again.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Well No. At the end of twenty one, Musk told
Time that he and Grimes had semi separated. Okay, he says,
it's over, But a Vanity Fair journalist went to grimes
place for a feature and they knew that X wasn't
in the house. That X is the child's name, that's
what they call him, for sure, So they knew that
there was no baby in the house. They've gone for
the interview, they've heard a baby crying in the background.
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And it turned out that even though they've just broken up,
Grimes and Musk have had a second child.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
They're not pregnant. They've had it.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
It's there, it's alive, it's breathing, it's crying. They had
a little girl by surrogacy. Her name is ex A
Dark I'm gonna butcher this exit dark side Rail Musk.
But it's it's pronounced deial. Yeah, it's pronounced sidurial. But
when you read it, you think her name is side Rail.
But it's Sadarial, which she's nicknamed why so now they've
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got two kids nicknamed X and Y.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
They had it by a sarrogacy. It is all very
very weird. If you have just had a secret surrogate
baby and then you've got someone coming to your house
to do an interview, don't you think you would either
acknowledge that there is a surrogate baby there and not
just bring it up when the journalist is like, oh,
there's a baby here. Whose baby is that?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I just want we add well, the journalist is like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa whoa?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Are you and Musk still together? Like what's happening? Grimes replied,
there's no real word for it.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I would probably refer to him as my boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
But we're very fluid.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
We live in separate houses, we're best friends, we see
each other all the time. We just have our own
things going on, and I don't expect other people to
understand it. So still no one actually knows the answer.
And I was like, well, what are you?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Best friends? Are your boyfriend and girlfriend?
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Well?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
What are you? Do?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
You know? What?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Though? I think like that is actually the most perfect answer.
I mean, we're doing a whole podcast series on how
we have the right to know every in and out
detail of these celebrities lives. But like we have been
brought up in a very like monogamous structured society where
like one type of relationship is what makes sense to us,
and then there's all these people that live like quite
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different lives and have quite different choices that seem weird
to us, Like we're so judging in the way that
we talk about it, and like they clearly just have
something that's very unique that works for them, and it
must get fucking exhausting trying to explain, hey, this works
for us and this is our relationship when everyone doesn't
really have the right to have a looking glass into
their into their whole lives. And that's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
We know better than ever that there's no right and
wrong and one way only in relationship or normal.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Let's no, it's whatever works.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
And they're as far from normal as you could possibly imagine,
but it's whatever works. It works for them. At the
end of the day, he is the dad to her children.
Whatever works for them, We're happy for them. We can
still say the whole thing is a bit strange. I
can report now they are definitely over They have moved on,
they had their two children. He's actually reportedly dating a
twenty seven year old Australian actress, Natasha Bassett. Yeah, I've
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seen them. I saw her getting out of his jet
and not in real life in the tabloids. She's very beautiful.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
When Britt's like, I can confirm she didn't actually have
a sit down interview with him on mass Surprise Surprise, No.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
And Grimes has moved on too, and interestingly, she's dating
the former WikiLeaks whistleblower Chelsea Manning. Now that's the former
US intelligence that was jailed for their role in the
Wiki leaks.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
I don't know if you remember that. Yeah, at the
end of the day, they're happy. They've moved on. Mask
is buying Twitter, Grimes is in love and I don't
know if she'll have more babies.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
But I think that it was a very very interesting
couple of years watching that relationship evolve and I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
How did you see what they do next?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
All right, folks, hold on, I know I said that
was going to be the last act of the night,
but you know.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
How we do it here. This ain't your average comedy club,
that's right, ladies, and Jens are very special.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Friend of the club is dropped by tonight to share
some new material he's been working on. Give it up
for billionaire tech mogul and wanna be comedian e Long Musk.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Thanks guys, wow, thank you. Really, it's an honor. You know,
I'm a lucky guy, what with Tesla's SpaceX and being
the richest person on the entire planet and all that.
But if there's one thing that's missing in my life,
well it's the fact that people don't see me as
a real comedian. But hopefully I can change that tonight.
What do you think? Thank you? Thank you. Well, let
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me start off with one that I have been mulling
over for a little while. Now, what do you get
when you cross eighteenth century art with killer robots? Rococo Basalisk?
Get it Rococo Basalisk as in Roco's Basilisk. You know,
(01:30):
the artificial intelligence thought experiment, but it's Rococo like the
art movement. Nobody gets me, No, no I gets you.
So this seems ridiculous, and I'm sure everyone's.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Thinking, what are you guys talking about? But this joke,
if you can even call it a joke, but I've google,
I still don't actually understand it. It's something to do
with artificial intelligence tied with this big art movement. There
is apparently if you're in that world, there is a
funny joking.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Now I still can't see it. But this joke is
what started.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
The most unexpected relationship of all time. Well, what I
think is the most unexpected relationship of all time. This
is the relationship between tech billionaire Elon Musk and experimental
electronic musician Grimes Britt.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Even with you explaining the joke, I still don't understand
the joke.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I watched like a twenty minute documentary and I couldn't
find I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Figure out I'm Britt and I'm Laura. This is hooked, hitched,
and hung up.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Hey guys, just a quick heads up. This episode contains
a brief mention of suicide, sexual assault, and occasional spicy language.
All right, Laura, I am coming to you with probably
one of the weirdest, most wild, most convoluted, and far
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fet relationships in the public space in a long time.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I mean, we've already covered a few of them, so
I know, and I think it just gets more wild
and wild.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
But this has got to be the wildest, and I
guess because it's still pretty current. I am talking today
about Elon Musk and Grimes.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I feel like their relationship is wildly famous, but no
one knows any details.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Elon fascinates me. He's so giving. Okay, He's given so
much money. I'm talking billions to charity. He's so so generous.
He's like the modern day superhero. Someone tweets him and says,
Elon Musk, our country has this problem, help and he's
literally there to save the day the next day.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
He's the modern day superhero. I think this is so
interesting that you say that, though, because like he is
the type of billionaire that goes beyond billionaire. He is
so stinking rich, like so stinking rich that nobody could
ever comprehend how stinking rich he is. So when you
say he's really generous, I've read something that he'd only
given like two percent of his combined wealth to charity,
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which I know is billions of dollars. It's still like
six billion dollars, but it's only two percent of the
money that he has. So when you say he's so generous,
I'm like, mate, two percent if that would be like
you or I, you know, giving one thousand dollars or
one hundred dollars, whatever it is. And then people being like,
she is so generous.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, but he pays like thirty billion dollars a year
in tax.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, good, so we should Okay, so we know what
side of the fence law is off. You're gonna make cars,
you better pay for those roads. It is also, okay.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
The reason people love him so much, and the reason
that I loved him so much, even though he's controversial,
I originally loved him so much because he's self made.
And now when I say self made, it's not like
he had a rags to riches story. He was born
and raised in South Africa. His mum was this beautiful
model and his dad was an engineer by trade. But
his dad was very successful in his own right, Like
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he owned half an emerald Mind in Zambia. He owned
a bunch of other things. He didn't grow up poor,
but he did make his money on his own.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I mean, I'm sure having an emerald mind was helpful.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, definitely helps you on the dark days. So Elon
went to university in America. He got a double degree
in economics and physics. He's definitely no dummy. After that,
he started a PhD at Stanford University. But this wasn't
as successful as his original university degree, so he dropped
out after two days and he started a company Zip two.
(05:19):
After he sold Zip too, he began another company that
would eventually merge with PayPal. And of course we know
that he went and did Tesla, the electric car company.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
He did SpaceX. He got this big rocket company. He's
sending rockets everywhere because.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
This company, he plans to start a new civilization on Mars. Like,
if you were trying to start a new civilization on Mars,
you've got too much money.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Elon a mask is worth more than two hundred billion dollars. Yeah,
like way more, which I think is why when you
think about the percentage that he's given to charity, six
billion dollars really isn't that much money. It's a piss
in the ocean, Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I'm on the fence with him because I'm on one hand.
I'm like, you are an incredible human. You're using your
brain for a lot of good. You're using your money
for a lot of good. Then he'll go and say
something so stupid online. I'm like, man, you're really ruining
this for me.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So I feel like everyone knows a little bit about
Elon Musk, even if it's just surface level stuff, But
tell me a little bit more about Grimes.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Grimes is one of those people that, to be honest,
you know the name, you know that she was a
little bit weird, bit of a weird artist, but you
don't know anything about it.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I didn't know anything about it. Her music was not
for me.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
She's very eccentric, and I don't actually know what she
looks like because she's always dressed up in so many costumes,
eccentric makeup, different colored hair, She could walk past me
on the street.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I wouldn't know who. She's literally a walking Instagram filter.
Grimes's real name. It is not Grimes.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Her name is Claire Bouchet, but she now refers to
herself just as C and not a capital C, not
a bold sea, a little small italic sea. She comes
from really strict parents. She's very, very smart. They're a
very intellectual family. Her mother was a Crown prosecutor and
her father was an investment banker. He now is in
the business side biotech, so he I guess he has that.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Kind of an interest.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Her childhood was pretty I mean pretty standard, pretty nerdy.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I did read that her dad used to read to
her when she was a toddler. Lord of the Rings. Now,
let me tell you, as a mother of a toddler,
I'm lucky if I can get halfway through ABCD.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
She grew up reading sci fi books, so I guess,
I guess this is that thing. Is this like nature
versus nurture? Do you think that she got into this
world because of the influence of her father reading her
sci fi books as a child, like she had that
was her only option, But I think BAMBI.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, but I think it also just goes to show
that she's a genius. The things that she was exposed
to and things that she was opting into as a
very little child, it makes it so obvious that she
is like a completely left a field genius child.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
She's on a different level. She was really badly bullied
at school. There was a lot of bitch and slut
being written on her lockers, and she said she had
a really hard time there. Fast forward to two thousand
and six, she went to study neuroscience and philosophy with
a double minor in Russian language and psychoacoustics. Now I
know what you're gonna ask me, Laura, what is psycho acoustics?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I mean, I know, I know exactly what that is.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Of course, it's the study of our psychological response to
certain sounds. I still don't know why anybody would want
to study this.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I mean, I think it's really interesting because sound can
it's so emotive. I mean, it's not something that I
would want to dedicate nine years of study two but
it's very interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Because of this really weird degree that she's doing psychoacoustics,
she had to learn how to use logic and garage bands,
so garage band. I mean, everyone knows that I was
on the Apple computer. You know, it's like it's like
a music editor. Yeah, she had to learn how to
use that.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
It's almost like her music career was just like this
little sidekick hobby. And she was there doing like quite
a very intensely academic degree. Whereas you think, like most
people who become famous for music or like really get
into that sort of like superstar role, it's because they've
dedicated their whole life to being a musician. And she's
just like, yeah, I learned garage band on the side.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, She's like, I'm so smart, and now I'm bored
and I'm learning garage band and now I'm grime.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
And that was it. That was how Grahams was born.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
That was literally she stumbled across it at university in
a completely different degree. A friend got her to sing backups.
She wasn't too bad, she learned how to do it.
She thought she was good at she started gramps.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Okay, so that all sounds very I mean, as much
as it's a bit of a different way of getting
into music, it all sounds very mainstream. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So she created two albums that didn't really you had
to be very very in the underground world to know
who she was and what she was doing. But her
third album, she says that she pretty much just like
locked herself away, did drugs for seven to ten days,
did the whole album in a total of like three weeks,
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and wrote a killer album, and that is what put
her on.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
The radar of the world. This is literally she wrote,
I blacked out the windows and did tons of amphetamines.
What are time to be alive? Hey?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
But the third album she called it, she actually named
it Visions, which is probably because for three weeks she
was on amphetamines with.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
The curts closed and knows what kind of visions she
was having.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
But yeah, this is literally what put her on the
world's radar. But one of the singles from the album
is called Oblivion. It was one of Grimes's most personal songs,
and I guess it's a defining moment of Grimes and
who she was. And she's pretty opening this sense about
telling the world things that happened to her. She says,
this song is about being violently assaulted and it made
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me crazy for a few years. I got really paranoid
walking around at night and started feeling really unsafe. The
song is more about empowering myself physically amongst a masculine
power and the hate of feeling powerless, making light of
masculine physical power, making it jovial and non threatening. I
took a typically violent cultural situation and made it pop
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and happy. She starts to speak very openly about issues
she has had with violence and men in the past,
and the reason that when she gets together with Elon
Musk down the track, the reason people are a bit
confused about it, especially her superfans, is because people are like, well,
he's a bit of a misogynist. He's made all these
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comments in the past about women and about pronouns and
his use of pronouns and grimes.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Whilst she doesn't.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Say that she goes by they or them, she still
says that she can be referred to as as she
and her, but she wishes no one had to have pronouns,
and she's very vocal about that as well.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
So it almost seems like contradictory, especially when you have
somebody in who is a bit underground and people are
like so invested in them because they feel so seen,
because maybe they're a little bit of alternate, and then
they've found like they're Queen Bee who's different in the
same way that they are different to Then when she
matches up with Elon to kind of feel a bit
almost betrayed, like it doesn't match up, it doesn't make
sense to them. And I do remember that when that
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relationship went public, there was like people were so confused
by it.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
But Grimes, after she released her third album, she became
very popular. She released her fourth album, which is called
Art Angels, that came out in twenty fifteen, and that
has actually been aimed as one of the top five
hundred albums of all time.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And I still don't understand that. I know, I've never
heard a song of it neither, but there must be
some neither, there's some people who are listening. They're all underground.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
This is where she comes a bit more mainstream. So
we see her at Glastonbury, She's going to his awards ceremony.
She's starting to wear Chanelle, she's starting to sew.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Coming pop star. She's becoming a pop star.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
She's transitioning from the basement to a bonifid pop star. Well,
let's talk about how they even met, because how does
a tech billionaire on one side of the world meet
somebody like Grimes, who is this like underground music wizard.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And I think it has something to do with Rococo
whatever that is.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So I actually love the way they met. Believe it
or not, Elon Musk one day came up with this
joke about Rococo basilisk that we just talked about a
little bit earlier that none of us still understand. He
came up with this joke in his head and he's like,
this is brilliant. I wonder before I tweet it if
anyone has ever come up with this joke before.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I better do my due diligence and check.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Because you don't want to go and post something that
you say you've just thought of it and someone else
has posted it.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
So he jumps onto Twitter does a little search.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
To see if anyone has ever made this joke, this pun,
and one person in the world had tweeted it. One
person had come up with it, and believe it or not,
it was Grimes. So somewhere on the other side of
the world, probably locked up while she's doing drugs, Crimes
has come up with this pun on her own and
she's tweeted it. He's like, wow, I can't believe anyone
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else in the world is as smart as me.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I'm going to DMA. Don't you love that? Like for
all the rest of us when we hear those two
words together and we're like, what the fuck are they
talking about? He's getting a bone eye. He's like, this
is me done. And they have like some weird little
secret language and thing that's going on that they can
both understand on a level that none of us can
relate to. I mean, I wonder if there's anyone listening
to this podcast he's like, oh, yeah, I know what
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that is. I get it. It probably heaps feels fast.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I tell you what, if there's anything that's going to
make you feel bumb, it's doing the research on Elon
Musk for me to bring today else like, I don't
know how I'm gonna do this episode. These are the
two smartest humans in the world.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
You get, the dumber you get, you're like, oh, that's
where I am in life. I actually can't tell you.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
During this research, I googled more words than I have
ev googled because I didn't know a what they meant
or b how to pronounce them. Just things that Elon
has said in passing and I'm like, I better just
quickly search that one.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Anyway, the research took me like three weeks.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
The world first sees Grimes and Elon must together.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
They turn up to.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
The met Gala together, that big fashion event, just the
who's who. They turn up there together, and that is
where the world goes, what the actual fuck?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I mean, I do remember these photos from the met Gala.
They look like polar opposites. They look like they should
not be together, but also like, what a perfect time
and a perfect like costume opportunity to be together. Like
if anything's ever gonna suit Grimes's vibe, it's rocking up
at the met Gala. She'd like that was what she
would probably wear on a normal Tuesday, But she did
actually get to wear it at the met Gala and
didn't look out of place. And I think like nobody
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was ex expecting their relationship at all. That's what kind
of took everyone by such surprise. I mean, in retrospect,
we know about this joke and this Twitter thing that
went on, but like at the time, everyone was like,
I'm sorry, how do you even know each other?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
So they've turned out to the Mechala, the world has
gone crazy. And the tweets are hilarious. No one understood it,
no one. They had obviously been dating quietly for a
few months, but to the world it came as a
really big shock, especially because Elon wasn't really your typical celebrity.
He's not a celebrity that would be at the met Gala.
He's not a musician, he's not an actor. He's just
this man with a lot of money that seems to
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be putting himself everywhere.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
But some of the tweets were, what do Grimes and
Elon Musk even talk about?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I bet they just sit around the dining room making
squirrel noises and drinking glasses of rocket fuel.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I knew I shouldn't have written my Grimes a Elon fanfic,
and that dusty old journal I found in the Haunted
antique store.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Elon Mustad and Grimes is all the proof you need
to know.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
We're in a simulation.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
No one could believe it. Now might be a good
time to mention that Elon Musk this isn't his first
big relationship. He's been married and he actually has five kids.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
He married a.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Woman named Justine Musk. She still has his last name.
They were sweethearts at university.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
They will be on and off.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Calls herself his starter wife, and they had a son.
They had a baby, and at ten weeks old, unfortunately
he passed away from Sid's Sudden infant death syndrome.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
It's awful.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
They then went on to have twins, and then they
had triplets, so they had five kids. Holy duly, Yeah,
in like a pretty small space.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I mean, I'm not surprised that the relationship didn't work
out with all that happening.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
The insight that Justin gives into their relationship sets the
scene for why the world can't understand why someone like
Grimes is with someone like Elon, Because Justine said she
always felt like she was walking on eggshell. She had
to be a trophy wife. He wanted her to constantly
dye her hair blonder, to look a certain way. The
house always had to be kept immaculately. I'm sorry, but
if you're worth three hundred million dollars, get me a cleaner.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I mean interesting to say that, though, because can you
remember Elon Musky four? He actually got with crimes like
he had Oh my god, he had such a glow
up in recent years like he is getting hotter as
the years go by. I adn't gonna find him hotly.
You're just poor. Exactly about fifteen years ago, ten years ago.
I don't even know how it was. He was like
kind of boulding, like really like he looked a little
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bit like an alien.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
He got like a hair transplant or hair plugs. He
did get a hair dread because he went from like
a four to five six.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Weirdly, I find him kind of hot now. So he
long story short.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
They divorced very very rapidly, well what feels like rapidly
to Justine. So then he he leaves her and he's
dating a very very young, beautiful model three to six
months later, So he moved on very quickly. He started
to day hurt that didn't work out. He moved on
from her, and that's when he got together with Grimes.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
But these are all.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
The reasons that Grimes' fan base couldn't understand why she
was dating somebody like Elon Musk, and they sort of
started to turn on her. You know, all of a sudden,
she's in Chanelle, she's at the Mechala, she's with Elon Mask.
Everyone's like, you're not the person that you publicly portray
(18:12):
this is Hooked, Hitched, and hung Up, And in this episode,
we're unpacking the unexpected coupling of tech billionaire Elon Musk
and electronic musicians Slash Ultimate Manic Pixie Dreamgirl Grimes.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
There are a lot of reasons.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That this relationship took the world by surprise, and I
think one of the biggest ones is the disparity in
their wealth. How much money Elon had in comparison to Grime.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I mean, no one is going to ever match up
to how much money Elon has.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
What wouldn't matter who he dated, unless he dated Jeff Bezos.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Is that the other rich perion.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
What a beautiful couple that would make if they dated
maybe what would probably still be unusual. So at that time,
Mosk was reported to be worth about twenty billion dollars.
This was twenty seventeen, twenty billion dollars, and Grimes, in
her own right had made money. She's worth about three
million dollars, which is a great amount of money, but
not in comparison to twenty billion.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
That's like me having five cents. Yeah, But in terms
of mismatches, I think like from the outset, I kind
of looked at Elon as being like this really quite respectable,
quite conservative, white, well dressed, a really normal guy.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I mean, it's easy for us to sit here and
list out all the reasons why these two are not
right for each other, but they obviously have stuff in
common to make the relationship work. Otherwise we wouldn't have
seen them dating for years.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Well. I also think that this is the ultimate case
of don't judge a book by its cover. But really,
I think when you start to scratch the surface and
you look at their personality types and like what their
core values are, I do think that they have a
lot of similarities. Their shared interest in technology, their shared
interest in futurism in science, also potentially their interest in psychedelics. Like,
there are so many things here. I think when the
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judgment came in initially from the public, it was more
to do with their aesthetics than it was actually to
do with who they are as people.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Aesthetics and I think the world that they live in, in
the world that they've come from, for me, that's it.
But the second you dig a little bit deeper, you
realize how alike they are. Maybe he has a different
side that we haven't yet seen and it's starting to
seep through.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
So let me set this scene up.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It's twenty nineteen and Grimes has tweeted that she is
collaborating on a brand new song with rapper Azilia Banks.
So like, everyone is so excited about that because that
would be amazing. So Azilia was flying in to stay
at their property with them and they were going to
make all this music. The day before she arrived, Eyor
posted one of his most infamous tweets to date, and
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he has done a lot, but he was claiming that
he was going to take Tesla, so that was his
car company. He was going to take Tesla private at
four twenty per share. Now, four to twenty a share
is a weed reference.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I had to look that up, Okay, I you mean,
and by look at that, you mean I had to
explain it to you. So four twenty, if you don't know,
is like a number that represents marijuana.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, So he's tweeted that he's taking Tesla at four
twenty a share. So there are some people that are laughing,
being like, this is just a child, it's a jo's body.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
He's making a joke.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
But there are other people thinking his company is going
to go private. This is him telling us at the
end of the day, this is market manipulation. He ends
up getting in a lot of trouble for that. But
that's not the weird part about this. The weird part
is Banks claimed that when she was at the property,
she heard him trying to find investors, so despite saying
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his funding was already secured, she heard him absolutely scrambling.
She also watched Grimes molly coddling him, you know, like
trying to that Drim. Yeah, except I think they'd been
on a bender. I think that a lot of stuff
had gone down together, they'd gone into hiding. He'd done
this tweet. Now he's gotten in trouble for market manipulation
because people took this as gospel. People took this as
like financial advice, and or everyone that had shares in
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Tesla had to make a decision about what they want to.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Do about that. The thing that makes this whole story
so weird is that as Elie Banks had stayed at
his house, and then Elon Musk turns around and says
that he's never ever met as Elia Banks, So who
was lying? Why would you make it up?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
And for her to make up a story saying I
heard him scrambling for investors. He does not have investors, Like,
that's not something you would make up.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
That's not a story to make up.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
And of course he's going to say he's never met
up because that's his out. He's like, oh, she's I've
never met I don't know who she is.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
The whole thing is weird.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
So things do start to slightly unravel for Elon Musk now,
because do you remember in twenty eighteen this was absolutely huge.
Remember the twelve boys in their football coach in Thailand
that got trapped in the cave. It was his race
against time to save them before the tide comes up,
but they all drew. It was it was horrific. But
you might remember that Elon Musk publicly said I will
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give you my SpaceX experimental submarine to save them.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
That's what he said. The authorities declined.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Because they were like, great, that you have it, we
get it. You're rich, you've got submarine. But right now
the twelve boys lives are at risk. And that is
stupid because he was, I guess publicly declined.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
He responded by Twitter.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Again, it seems like that's the only way Elon Musk
can communicate Twitter with a video of the submarine and
he said.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Sorry, pedo guy, you really.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Asked for it, with no context or proof that this
guy was a pedophile. So he's just called this guy,
this man a pedophile just because his ego took a
hit because they were like, we don't want you submarine.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I remember this tweet and then I remember the rest
of it, which was like trust me, he is a pedophile,
Like I don't need proof kind of thing. This went on.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
There was more to this, but my point of this
is like we're starting to see a different Elon Musk.
We're starting to see some really really strange, mean, manipulative
behavior that we hadn't yet seen. We've always just known
him as a bit of an intellectual, a philanthropist, somebody
that we're like, well, we're loving everything he's doing.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
It's so futuristic.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
But now we're little bits of the real Elon Maskers.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Creaking through the cracks. Well. I also think if it's
because like the more that he's become social facing famous,
and the bigger his Twitter following has amassed, and now
that he is this incredible like behemoth on Twitter literally
owns the thing that we've become more conscious of the
stuff that he's posting. I don't think that it was necessary,
that it wasn't he wasn't doing it before. But like
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the accountability around it has become greater and greater. Well,
they get weirder. Just when throw yourselves in baby here
we come.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, just if all of this wasn't enough, this the
pedophile calling, the Azilia banks saga, the being charged, remark
and manipulation.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
They have a baby.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Elon Musk and Grimes have a baby.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Do you know what they call it? X y Z
potato tomato forty two times seventy four by the power
of pie. You got it. Literally, not one person in
the world knows what that baby's name is, nue I,
not even the baby, not what that baby's name is.
X ash A twelve.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Now I'm going to call it x Sasha twelve because
I think he's trying to make it, but it's x
ash A twelve. But I would call myself probably just
like ash or x or twelve twelve.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
So bad he's sleeping. I'm sorry, I just need to
finalize the naming form. Have you decided on a name we.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Have we're going to call him.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I'm sorry, could you repeat that? Of course his name
is and is that with A or A?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
No, it's spelt with an X a dash twelve.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Oh, I see it's lovely.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Now. I know you think that the name is very,
very strange, but once it's fine, once you hear the
reason behind it. I'd like to say it all makes sense,
but it doesn't. But it does have some meaning. But
it's not like Musk's grandmother's name. That's not the kind
of meaning we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah. Also, like when you say meaning, like most people
are like Laura it means flowers in Spanish or something.
Brittany means the sound of the wind. Who bloody knows?
Like the names always like have like a nice meaning
behind it. And I'm gonna guess this isn't your fay
your face that is that's definitely not named after his grand.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
X is the unknown variable in algebralgebra. The AE symbol
is her Elvin spelling of AI, which she explains as
love and.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Or artificial intelligence. Now Elvin is like a little it's
like a like an elf, like a cool elf. Yeah,
because she that's.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
How she, I guess, sees herself and she attaches to that.
So we've got algebra, We've got elf. The eight twelve
is the precursor to the SR seventeen, which is their
favorite aircraft because it has no weapons, no defenses, just speed.
Great in battle, but non violent. So they're named after
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an algebra studying elf that flies a non violent plane.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Is going to be unpredictable, full of love, and very fast,
is what they're saying. That's all I'm getting.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
The kid is so confused, Like I just told you
what the name was.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I couldn't even tell you again. I just talked, well,
like we were done. Yeah, let's not circle back. What
about when he's on Tinder one day? It was gonna
be like going on, this child will own Tinder.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
After this, we start to see a little bit of
a difference in their relationship. He starts to tweet things
that he knows are going to anger or offend Grimes.
So Grimes hasn't publicly asserted pronouns, but she has said
that she wishes she didn't have to be classified as
female constantly. She's very fluid, she's artistic, and she's just
ever evolving. She just wants to live her best life.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, and she's like very accepting and very like progressive
in terms of how she sees gender identity and the
conversations around like labels, and he is the complete opposite.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Imagine knowing that you have told your partner, I'm not
gonna say husband because I didn't get married, but you've
told your partner that you don't really like pronouns and
you're very fluid. And then he knows this about you,
but he goes and publicly tweets pronouns suck.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
That's what he wrote.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Take the Red Pill, which is like an obscure reference
to the matrix.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
When someone takes the red Pill, it's like they're back
into reality, Like they're like facing what is real verse
like this delusional or like created environment that well it's
been it's a bit of a rallying cry.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Now, like take the red pillars of reference that is
associated with men's rights organizations. So at the end of
the day, he's tweeting things that are very men's rights
and he's saying pronouns suck. When Grimes is like, I
don't like pronouns.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
So is it then kind of like obviously like LinkedIn
to like misogyny and he.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Knows it's offensive to it. That's what he's doing. It's
almost like he's trying.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
To poke the bear.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
But then when he tweeted pronouns suck. This is twenty
twenty and they've got a six month old child. Now,
Grimes tweeted back, I love you, but please turn off
your phone or give me a call, which is a
nice way to be, Like, you are in so much
trouble when you get home.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
How embarrassing. It's so embarrassing, Like I mean, like that
stuff can go down when you're not a public figure.
But like imagine when everybody, like every tabloid, every newspaper,
every magazine, every journalist is viewing that and then just
being like, well that that is that's embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But then almost but then also for Grimes to feel
like she has to publicly tweet these things back instead
of just having a conversation in private at home, because
otherwise it looks like you are in alliance with your
partner's thoughts.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yes, she had to tweet back.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I cannot support hate. Please stop this. I know this
isn't in your heart.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Well, because at the end of the day, this is
contradictory to the public image that she's been putting out
to the brand that she's been creating for herself to
all of her followers, and it's also so incredibly disrespectful
to such a huge group of people who like love Grimes,
like her supporters, her lovers, and everything else. And then
if she didn't do that and make a public statement
exactly what you said, she's then implying that she's okay
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with that, and that she's an extension of his like
very right winged views.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But it's almost like he has this history of repeating
itself in the sense of he gets into these relationships
and he's very loving and supportive at the start, and
then his true colors start to seep out after a
little while, and it's like, you can't control himself.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Well, it's like such a statement of power as well,
but it's also really belittling, like it's really putting down,
Like if you love and respect someone, you're not going
to go intentionally out of your way to shit on
something that's important to them. And he's done it, but
on the most incredibly huge scale and so casually recklessly
as well. One little tweet bloop. They end up breaking up,
but then they get back together. Oh yeah, I know
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what you're gonna say, and their relationship does not end
with like an on again, off again, on again, It
goes on again, off again, on again, off again, Sorry
get baby on again, off again.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Well No. At the end of twenty one, Musk told
Time that he and Grimes had semi separated. Okay, he says,
it's over, But a Vanity Fair journalist went to grimes
place for a feature and they knew that X wasn't
in the house. That X is the child's name, that's
what they call him, for sure, So they knew that
there was no baby in the house. They've gone for
the interview, they've heard a baby crying in the background.
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And it turned out that even though they've just broken up,
Grimes and Musk have had a second child.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
They're not pregnant. They've had it.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
It's there, it's alive, it's breathing, it's crying. They had
a little girl by surrogacy. Her name is ex A
Dark I'm gonna butcher this exit dark side Rail Musk.
But it's it's pronounced deial. Yeah, it's pronounced sidurial. But
when you read it, you think her name is side Rail.
But it's Sadarial, which she's nicknamed why so now they've
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got two kids nicknamed X and Y.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
They had it by a sarrogacy. It is all very
very weird. If you have just had a secret surrogate
baby and then you've got someone coming to your house
to do an interview, don't you think you would either
acknowledge that there is a surrogate baby there and not
just bring it up when the journalist is like, oh,
there's a baby here. Whose baby is that?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I just want we add well, the journalist is like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa whoa?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Are you and Musk still together? Like what's happening? Grimes replied,
there's no real word for it.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I would probably refer to him as my boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
But we're very fluid.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
We live in separate houses, we're best friends, we see
each other all the time. We just have our own
things going on, and I don't expect other people to
understand it. So still no one actually knows the answer.
And I was like, well, what are you?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Best friends? Are your boyfriend and girlfriend?
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Well?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
What are you? Do?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
You know? What?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Though? I think like that is actually the most perfect answer.
I mean, we're doing a whole podcast series on how
we have the right to know every in and out
detail of these celebrities lives. But like we have been
brought up in a very like monogamous structured society where
like one type of relationship is what makes sense to us,
and then there's all these people that live like quite
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different lives and have quite different choices that seem weird
to us, Like we're so judging in the way that
we talk about it, and like they clearly just have
something that's very unique that works for them, and it
must get fucking exhausting trying to explain, hey, this works
for us and this is our relationship when everyone doesn't
really have the right to have a looking glass into
their into their whole lives. And that's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
We know better than ever that there's no right and
wrong and one way only in relationship or normal.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Let's no, it's whatever works.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
And they're as far from normal as you could possibly imagine,
but it's whatever works. It works for them. At the
end of the day, he is the dad to her children.
Whatever works for them, We're happy for them. We can
still say the whole thing is a bit strange. I
can report now they are definitely over They have moved on,
they had their two children. He's actually reportedly dating a
twenty seven year old Australian actress, Natasha Bassett. Yeah, I've
(33:27):
seen them. I saw her getting out of his jet
and not in real life in the tabloids. She's very beautiful.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
When Britt's like, I can confirm she didn't actually have
a sit down interview with him on mass Surprise Surprise, No.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
And Grimes has moved on too, and interestingly, she's dating
the former WikiLeaks whistleblower Chelsea Manning. Now that's the former
US intelligence that was jailed for their role in the
Wiki leaks.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
I don't know if you remember that. Yeah, at the
end of the day, they're happy. They've moved on. Mask
is buying Twitter, Grimes is in love and I don't
know if she'll have more babies.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
But I think that it was a very very interesting
couple of years watching that relationship evolve and I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
How did you see what they do next?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Hooked, Hitched, and hung Up is a podcast from iHeart Podcast, Australia,
Dead Sets Studios and the Kiss Network.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Follow along on your favorite podcast app for more makeups
and breakups and sex and romance.
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