October 3, 2025 • 33 mins
Content note: candid discussion of cancer diagnosis, surgery, radiation, chemotherapy, and recovery.
What if hope isn’t “it’ll be fine,” but “I can handle what comes”? That shift changed everything for Candice Suarez. In this conversation, Candice takes us inside a whirlwind season: a misread ulcer during COVID, a tongue-cancer diagnosis, surgery removing over half her tongue, a forearm graft, and weeks of radiation and chemo. She walks us through recovery’s gritty middle—managing pain, relearning to swallow, and returning to public speaking with a voice that invites the world to lean in.
Out of that crucible came Life Drafting—a practical, compassionate framework for navigating change by planning in pencil. Candice shares the four buckets she uses with clients and in her own life—health, connection, contribution, and play—and shows how small, honest edits compound into momentum. We talk agency under uncertainty, why identity can survive (and even grow) through loss, and how to build routines and relationships that make resilience a skill, not a slogan.
Candice also introduces Draft You, her six-month journal for young adults, and the Draft Lab coaching community that supports students and grownups in the “no longer, not yet” spaces of life.
You’ll learn:
- A grounded definition of hope that doesn’t hinge on perfect outcomes
- How to “plan in pencil” with the four Life Drafting buckets
- Weekly audits + micro-commitments that actually stick
- Ways identity grows through loss—and how to practice agency under uncertainty
- Why edits aren’t failures; they’re craft
If you’re staring down a transition—or helping someone you love through one—this episode offers tools you can use today.
Connect with Candice on her website and learn more LifeDrafting.
And her new book is out! - get it here: Draft You.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Well no, I I appreciate that.
And some days I get pissed offat the person behind this house
of lamb oil coffee who can'tunderstand me.
SPEAKER_01 (00:20):
Hi there, I'm Danielle Elliott Smith, and this
is Hope Comes to Visit, where wecelebrate conversations about
hope, healing, and the power ofstory.
My guest today is CandaceSuarez.
Candace is a life drafting coachwith a passion for helping
people navigate life'stransitions with clarity,
creativity, and confidence.
From her professional roles as aschool counselor, behavior
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specialist, and mobiletherapist, Candace gained
in-depth insight into humandevelopment, emotional
regulation, and the importanceof supportive guidance.
She holds a master's degree ineducation with a concentration
in school counseling and hasspent over two decades
supporting individuals throughevery stage of growth.
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Candace, thank you so much forbeing here with me today.
Yeah, thank you for having me.
I am so excited to talk to youabout everything you're doing
and everything you've beenthrough to get to right here,
right now.
Tell me, would you prefer tostart with what you have coming
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up or where you've been to getto right now?
SPEAKER_00 (01:54):
Probably not, but yeah, we'll probably be the most
likely place to start.
SPEAKER_01 (02:03):
Okay, so let's start.
Start with your cancer journey.
That was in 2022, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
So a surprise diagnosis?
SPEAKER_00 (02:15):
Um, yes and no.
Um prior to that, I had well, Ihad tongue cancer.
Your tongue cancer, okay.
Tongue cancer, which explains myultimate voice.
So I would feel like that is thebest place to start.
Um is wondering why is shetalking that way?
Um, so I would say not asurprise because I had a history
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of white spots on my tongue thatwould occasionally be biopsy and
be fine.
Um, but this one was different.
And that from the short, um, itwas like a painful ulcer that
went over away.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (02:58):
So your your dentist had been on top of it, so you'd
had things checked a few times.
Was it ever on your radar thatit might come back as malignant
as compared to benign when you'dhad things checked before?
SPEAKER_00 (03:12):
Um, nobody really ever told me that.
They said it might be this, itmight be that.
No one was ever very definitiveabout what it was.
And then it was COVID.
Um when I started to get, youknow, the pain that would go
away.
(03:33):
And I um I went to my familydoctor first, who I described my
situation of having the normalbiopsies, the possible
explanation of what it could be,and she said, Oh, yeah, I'm sure
it's this try to show us cream,and she had a swell.
(03:55):
It I mean, also imagine puttinga show cream on your song.
SPEAKER_01 (04:01):
Right.
I I yeah I imagine that it's nota good time.
I mean, I I would think like anytime I've ever had like a canker
sore or using like an ambisol orsomething that numbs whatever
that I used to get canker soreswhen I was a kid, and my parents
were like, here's two dollars.
You can go to the the the storeand and get yourself too much
candy, and that would inevitablycause some type of canker sore.
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And yeah, I've had them on mytongue or on my on my lower jaw,
but it absolutely hurts.
SPEAKER_00 (04:32):
So by the time I eventually, you know, I was
starting to eat on the otherside of my mouth, I was starting
to avoid anything acidic.
Um it was really it was startingto affect my speech.
Really, okay.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:51):
So how long is this process from the time you go to
your general doctor and yoursteroid cream and you're
treating it as though it issomething benign, if you will.
I think you go to someonespecial.
SPEAKER_00 (05:06):
I remember noticing it becoming worse the summer of
2021.
Um I went to my doctor inSeptember, and by end of
November is when it was reallystarting to affect my life.
Um, so by I went to a gentleearly December, and they said,
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okay, they literally locked meup to the oral surgeon and
settled me a biopsy.
Really?
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (05:41):
So did you feel a little bit relieved like
someone's taking me seriously?
This is nice.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:47):
Okay.
So they also I knew at thatpoint.
Like it was, I mean, theyprescribed me, I mean, I was on
rocks of abdol and tyrol.
At that point, they shouldprescribe me something called
magic mouthwash.
SPEAKER_01 (06:03):
Magic mouthwash, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (06:04):
Um, which I numbed it for about half an hour, which
made it easier to eat.
Um, but by Christmas time, I hada cancer diagnosis.
It was a weekly Christmas andNew Year's, 2021.
Okay.
So by the beginning of the year,2022, it was so painful I wasn't
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speaking.
I was obsessed with my family.
I saw I pulled back from workingat the time.
I was on a lot, I was startingto take pain meditation.
Okay.
Um, yeah.
And they kept passing me up upthe chain of specialists.
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So by the time I landed with mysweet machine, my surgery was
scheduled for March.
SPEAKER_01 (06:57):
Okay, so that take took a little bit longer than I
would like to think it shouldtake.
SPEAKER_00 (07:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (07:02):
From your diagnosis to l landing with the
appropriate treatment team.
SPEAKER_00 (07:08):
Yeah.
To Well I landed with themJanuary, early February, and
scheduled for behavior of March.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (07:17):
Okay, but in the meantime, you are in a
tremendous amount of pain.
SPEAKER_00 (07:20):
Tremendous amount of pain.
And enough speed.
So I remember I remember wakingup in the middle of the night
and I had had really good notesbecause I was like, okay, what
can I take right now?
So I and oh, and I had a feedingtube and so then.
Um Because you'd stopped eating.
Because I wasn't eating enoughshe maybe I don't blame you.
(07:44):
Yeah.
Like hydration need hydrationlevels as well as food.
So I was dropping my really bigfruit.
So I had a feeding soup.
So I had liquid, I had liquidpanel, liquid anvil, and liquid
swamp can't.
So I I had a money tab, um, Ishould say this one every four
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hours, this one every six.
SPEAKER_01 (08:10):
So, yeah.
I oh my gosh, you poor thing.
I am not so tongue cancer is notone that we hear a ton about.
I imagine you learned quite abit about it.
SPEAKER_00 (08:24):
Yeah.
Um, so I mean, obviously thereare certain um lifestyle sources
I can contribute to it.
Um, smoking, drinking alcohol,chewing tobacco.
I had done none of that.
Never was a smoker.
Um I was a social drinker likemost of us.
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Um, but mine was a logicalprogression of the white passage
on my tongue.
Um autoimmune physician right inplain.
Okay.
Um, so those developed intocancer occasionally.
(09:06):
Um, some cancer or um back andthroat cancer can also be HPV
connected, but mine was not HPVconnected.
SPEAKER_01 (09:17):
So that I know because my significant other a
few years ago had um tonsilcancer, and it was that.
HP cancer.
And yeah, and um they told thedoctors told us at the time that
they are finding far moreHPV-related throat and mouth
cancers in men than they areuterus-wise in women.
(09:43):
Wow.
Um that they're finding more inmen in the throat and tonsils in
the back of the throat and thenand I was very surprised to hear
that.
But at the time, you know, likeI I was like, do do I work how
how do we get checked for thesethings?
I mean, I don't even it was awhole new realm of thought
(10:04):
process for me.
But they also did say that theHPV related throat and and
tongue cancers are have a bettersurvival rate and are easily
treat more easily treated thanif it was not HPV related.
So he was treated and inremission in less than nine
(10:27):
months.
So it was a good outcome.
So how has your treatment andoutcome been?
SPEAKER_00 (10:33):
Good.
Um mine was it was a shade forshummer.
Wow.
Because of the size andinvasiveness of it.
Um so they removed over half ofmy tongue.
Wow.
And rebuilt it with a shave wrapon my forearm.
unknown (10:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:52):
Okay.
Um and they also medicine isamazing to me.
SPEAKER_01 (10:56):
Medicine and science are amazing.
Amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (10:58):
Um, and they did a full dissection and removed
lymphs, all of which wascancer-free.
But because I didn't get fluemerges from my tumor removal,
um, I did six weeks of dailyradiation and chemotherapy.
SPEAKER_01 (11:19):
Okay.
How have you been recovery-wisethrough that process?
SPEAKER_00 (11:24):
Um, right, it's been three years, so happy about
that.
Um, I I always say the wholecancer treatment is like you
have food.
Like you kind of like, you're inthis bubble where everything
outside of that moves on alongas it is, but you're not moving
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with it.
You're just kind of there.
Um and I found the mostdifficult part for me was coming
back with the voice I have.
Um my favorite things in lifeare talking and Ian.
SPEAKER_01 (12:11):
I've you're like, why?
Why?
Why make me change the twothings that I love the most?
SPEAKER_00 (12:19):
I love the most.
And so like essentially line tenmonths of not being able really
able to eat and my speech beingaffected, you know, I mean I I
still have eating struggles,obviously, and I still have my
voice, but I'm not the kind ofperson, so stay home and be
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quiet.
I I still go on social jailingsand stuff because I love it.
SPEAKER_01 (12:51):
So what has the learning curve been like for you
in terms of speaking?
I mean, having half of yourtongue removed and having a
dissection in your in yourthroat and your lymph nodes.
Obviously, there's there's a bitof relearning to do there.
What has that been like for you?
SPEAKER_00 (13:08):
The aim part was part of the speech.
SPEAKER_01 (13:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (13:12):
It was it was like this pretty much from the
beginning.
Okay.
Um, I did those with speechtherapists, but it was more for
the swallowing muscles.
SPEAKER_01 (13:24):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (13:25):
Because I had to relearn how to swallow and build
up the strength of the musclesin that area.
Okay.
Um, because I hadn't used them,and because I I can't move
things around with my tonguelike I used to be able to.
So I have to eat and be verycareful of not choking.
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Um so that was the biggestlearning trip with that.
And it still is, because I stillum talk too fast.
SPEAKER_01 (13:59):
I have always talked to, I've always talked and I've
always spoken too fast.
I've always talking too fast hasalways been the criticism that I
received in anything I did.
When I was first working intelevision, it was slow down,
Danielle, slow down.
And I just, you know, I thinkfast, I talk fast.
SPEAKER_00 (14:17):
Yeah.
And I usually when I speaksomewhere, I always say, remind
me of a hit is second, and Iwant to say it all out fast.
So I always tell people, if youmiss something I said, I'm happy
to repeat myself.
But yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:35):
Well, that's good.
How has everyone been aroundyou?
Did your family and loved onesall just take good care of you?
SPEAKER_00 (14:41):
And yeah, I am very blessed with a swab support
system.
My husband was there for me.
Um, our son, he's a freshmancollege right now.
At the time, he was a nice babe.
Um, so he was, you know, we mymom came and shaved with us, my
dad came to child and shade withus.
(15:03):
So um I have family support inkeeping his life as normal as
possible.
Right.
Um, friends that would take himto swim practice and all of
that.
SPEAKER_01 (15:16):
So, how much of this lived experience informs your
life drafting philosophy?
Because you have a book comingout in October.
Yeah.
I think the date is tentativelythe beginning of October.
Yeah.
But you have uh a life draftingphilosophy that I want to talk
about.
How much of this livedexperience you have informs life
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drafting?
SPEAKER_00 (15:38):
Uh 100% of it.
Okay, so let's talk about it.
Um I've always I always say I'vealways thought it should be
someone who wrote a book ongrowth and mindset and all of
that.
Years and years I've wanted todo it.
But this experience umsolidified it a little bit more
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for me.
And I came with life trafficbecause nothing is ever perfect.
You can't ever plan, you know,everything should she.
I mean, but we try though, don'twe?
SPEAKER_01 (16:20):
We do try.
We definitely try.
We we plan for the we plan forour pregnancies and our weddings
and our perfect house and ourvacations and yes and jobs.
And I I mean I can't tell youhow many times I've I've told my
kids like it it's okay.
If this is the plath path you'replanning for, if you if you
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diverge or if you change yourmind later, that's okay.
Yeah, I've changed career paths.
Uh and there are a few threadsthat have continued to run
through what I do throughout thecourse of my life.
But I've changed officially manytimes.
Change as much as you want.
SPEAKER_00 (16:58):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
And that is what I I mean I Icoach teens and young adults.
I do college admissionscoaching.
SPEAKER_01 (17:10):
Um college admissions, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (17:12):
But also post adults.
So I coach everything.
I'm building a community for MPSmoms because I need community
right now.
But the biggest thing I want tosay across to all of my
audiences is that it doesn'thave to be a perfect plan.
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You know, yes, plan, but alwaysbe open for reassessing.
Always be open for editing,crossing things off, moving them
around, starting from scratchand starting over.
I like to call it um keepeverything as a sloppy copy.
(17:56):
A sloppy copy, okay.
Yeah, because I do believe inplanning, but in pencil, right?
Because you can never know forany amount of certainty what's
coming down the road.
That's true.
And we asked his from such anearly age, what do you want to
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be when you grow up, right?
And I want to take the pressureoff of them when you're 17 and
everyone saying, What are yougonna measure in?
What are you gonna do?
What are you gonna do?
They don't have to know.
Do I believe that they should dothat self-explanation and look
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at possibilities a hundredpercent?
That's why I have the book, butbe open to it chasing.
Be open to you chasing, um,because you're not going to be
the same person you are at 17 asyou will at 24, as you will at
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36, etc.
And I I do this type ofself-analysis every year.
So it is not a once in time andpresented, it is a constant
evolution.
SPEAKER_01 (19:16):
So when do you do your own self-analysis?
SPEAKER_00 (19:19):
I so I do like November, December every year.
Okay.
Um, with the new year coming upas the, you know, suggestive.
Um I have always done my wholeyear, but every year I get to
about this point of the year andsay, wait a second, this is not
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where I thought I would be.
So I I feel like I want to domore of a hoy.
Okay.
Like that naughty J, Hungry J,sweet spot, because Okay.
You know, you could have somemaybe fuzzier, you know, longer
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range, but I hate, you know,because you can't know what's
coming around the bed.
SPEAKER_01 (20:10):
Is that self-assessment personal,
professional, a combination ofthe two?
All of it.
SPEAKER_00 (20:17):
So I I do four life buckets, that's all of them.
Okay.
I like that.
Um, one of them is health.
House, okay.
Health, e-a.
Health.
Okay.
So health, sorry, okay.
Oh, that's okay.
Um, assessing your physical,emotional, spiritual health,
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okay, your satisfaction in that,what's so in well, what we might
like to change.
Okay.
Assessment is connection.
So your family, your friends,what's so in well, what would
you like to see different?
Um, contribution, versus yourwork, what you're putting into
the world, how you'recontributing to your household,
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to your community.
Um and the fourth is play.
How are you incorporating joy inyour life?
So I take those four.
And you know, from there we Imean, I usually do a couple more
steps, but that is what I alwaysstart with.
SPEAKER_01 (21:23):
I love that because you didn't say home, work, like
like you allow contribution tobe a mix of all of that.
Like, where am I contributing inthe world?
How am I contributing via work?
How am I contributing to myhome?
How am I contributing to what mykids are doing?
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And then you're making sure tosay there has to be play in our
life somewhere.
And oh, I really like that.
Like, what am I doing for myselfhealth-wise?
And you're incorporatingphysical and mental and
spiritual.
Oh, I really like those fourbuckets.
I'm a huge fan.
Yeah.
Is this incorporated in the lifedrafting book?
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What is the title of the book?
It is um draft you.
Draft You, okay, like draftuniversity.
SPEAKER_00 (22:12):
Yeah.
Um a life drafting journal.
So it's actually a six-monthjournal workbook.
Okay.
Where I introduce a topic everyweek and you have uh daily
journal prompts or activitiesfor a introspection.
SPEAKER_01 (22:32):
Now, I know you do a lot of work with teens and with
younger people.
Is the book for everyone?
Or is it geared primarily forthe younger heading to college?
SPEAKER_00 (22:43):
The um the voice of it is Zephyr's ears who is um 18
to 25.
I 17 if I'm sure.
Okay.
Um, 17 to 24, 25 is a sweetspot.
Okay.
I will my plan is to do afollow-up.
SPEAKER_01 (23:05):
That was my next question.
SPEAKER_00 (23:08):
Um my plan is to do a follow-up.
That will be yours towardsgrown-up in in transition.
I I love the concept of peoplethat are in a space between no
longer and not yet.
So that how do you manage thattransition of your life?
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And live in schools to figureout where you are and set where
you want to go.
SPEAKER_01 (23:40):
That's fantastic.
So professionally, do you workprimarily?
I mean, I know you mentionedsome adults and then college
admissions.
The bulk of your work is where?
SPEAKER_00 (23:53):
It's about 50-50 right now.
Um, bulk of it is probably umcollege admissions.
Um but I would like to lean moreinto the holistic um life
hosting piece of that age group.
Okay.
Um, and bring it into colleges.
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Um, I have a hosting membershipfor adults that I call the draft
lab.
Okay.
That um that I have a lot ofmember benefits that um and then
my higher level of that coachingmembership has one of one
coaching.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:34):
That's amazing.
How long have you been doingthat?
SPEAKER_00 (24:36):
Um about four years, yeah.
Okay.
That's yeah.
So I started four years ago, hadtime off for cancer.
So again for speed, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:53):
How much would you say that that process or that
version of you change beforecancer, after cancer?
So I know I know that the draft,you know, the life drafting is
informed by that experience.
What did the 1.0 version of youlearn to carry into 2.0 Candace?
SPEAKER_00 (25:15):
It is I've always been a life transition coach.
That is what I've like when Istarted my business in 2021,
that is what it was you.
At that point I thought I hadbeen through a lot.
You know, career transition,moving, like moving from state
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to state.
Um, but this one, this answer,and still going out and speaking
and doing my thing with thisvoice, just jeep in it.
I don't know how else todescribe it other than having a
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stronger ownership of what I'msaying.
SPEAKER_01 (26:03):
I it feels very much uh I don't ever say everything
happens for a reason.
I do think I do think that whathappens to us, it's on us to
decide what to do with it.
100%.
And so I would never say thishappened to you so that you
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could, but I can see what you'redoing with it.
Yeah.
Right?
I can see that you had a choiceto say, well, this just robbed
me of my voice.
Like I I had a career that wasbased entirely on me having a
voice.
I don't feel like I have a voiceanymore.
And instead you said, no, wait asecond.
This builds into what it lookslike to change and evolve and to
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cocoon and to come out stronger.
And therefore, here I am.
Right now, and uh and I thinkwhat's powerful about what
you're doing is uh one of thereasons that I want to do this
podcast is because I believethat that level of hope can meet
people exactly where they are,depending on what they're going
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through at any given time,because we do have the choice.
We do have the choice to stay inthe cocoon.
We have the choice to say, Ican't get up.
I can't.
It really and truly feels like Icannot get up.
And my hope is that there'ssomeone listening right now who
says, Well, if Candace can getup, and she can smile and laugh
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through this, and she can be asbright and as vibrant and as
beautiful and and find a purposein a greater purpose in what she
was already doing and make itbigger and better and stronger,
then you know what, maybe I cantoo.
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00 (27:57):
Yeah.
And uh, you know, and to wantfor me to want to be a speaker,
and you know, because that is mysensitive vision for what I want
to do.
I want to write my books and Iwant to talk about them and
coach people.
Um and for me to do that and towant to get on a stage and talk
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to people with this voice, Ithink is can be powerful.
SPEAKER_01 (28:29):
Why do you say tentative?
SPEAKER_00 (28:31):
As usual, right?
Because we are all workingprogress, right?
We're always laugh.
Um, yeah.
Well no, I I appreciate that.
And some his either piss off atthe person behind house of lamb
or the coffee who can'tunderstand me.
SPEAKER_01 (28:54):
And that's okay, right?
No, I I I think that what you'resaying right there is incredibly
powerful.
Just because we have chosen todo something strong and powerful
with the experiences we've had,because we are choosing a strong
route, doesn't mean it isn'thard.
It doesn't mean we don't everhave moments where we're not
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really pissed off about it.
And it doesn't mean that wedon't have moments where we're
brought to our knees by it.
And that's okay too, becausethat's part of the process.
How do you define hope?
SPEAKER_00 (29:32):
I define hope as not a hope that everything will be
okay, but a hope that I will beable to handle what comes.
Because I I I do optimismresearch because I love the idea
(29:54):
of optimism, but it's not alsoshiny verses and But it it's an
optimism that I will be able todeal with it.
It'll be easy, but yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:11):
No, I I completely agree with you.
And that to me is acceptance andit's the the notion of surrender
to a degree, right?
It's rather than trying tocontrol the situation, it's
recognizing that I can't controlthe situation.
I can control me, and what Ineed is the strength and the
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resilience and the know-how andthe belief in myself to get
through whatever comes my way.
And I I like I like thatdefinition of hope.
I mean, that's it's one of thequestions I typically ask
everyone because our hope is oneof those words, uh, and I'm a
word nerd that doesn't have justone definition, right?
(30:55):
And to everyone, it meanssomething a little bit
different.
But the idea behind this podcastis that everyone has a story of
hope that can inspire someoneelse depending on where they are
in their 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 journey.
So where can people find you?
SPEAKER_00 (31:13):
Um life traffic.com.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:16):
Life traffic.
SPEAKER_00 (31:18):
Um and that on social media also.
Um awesome vloghotion onInstagram, awesome vloghotion on
Facebook, or me personally onFacebook.
Um, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:33):
That's fantastic.
I am so grateful to you fortaking time.
Your story is truly inspiring.
Is there anything I didn't askyou that you would like to
share?
I don't think so.
I feel like I shared what I whatI wanted to share.
I really appreciate you beinghere with me and and taking
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time.
And I am inspired by the workthat you're doing and the fact
that you are not tentativelyusing your voice, that you are
truly using your voice.
And I am confident that I'll beable to be in the audience
sometime when you're speaking.
SPEAKER_00 (32:10):
Ah, thank you so much.
SPEAKER_01 (32:12):
You're very welcome.
Thank you for being here withme.
Thanks for having me.
And friends, thank you forjoining us on another episode of
Hope Comes to Visit.
I'm Danielle Elliott Smith.
I so hope that you have foundthe same inspiration and light
in Candace's story that I have,and that you will turn around
and share it with someone youknow needs to have that same
inspiration, light, wisdom, andheart and strength.
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and that you will comment andyou will like and you will do
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And until I see you again,please take good care of you.
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is Hope Comes to Visit, where wecelebrate conversations about
hope, healing, and the power ofstory.
My guest today is CandaceSuarez.
Candace is a life drafting coachwith a passion for helping
people navigate life'stransitions with clarity,
creativity, and confidence.
From her professional roles as aschool counselor, behavior
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in-depth insight into humandevelopment, emotional
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She holds a master's degree ineducation with a concentration
in school counseling and hasspent over two decades
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Candace, thank you so much forbeing here with me today.
Yeah, thank you for having me.
I am so excited to talk to youabout everything you're doing
and everything you've beenthrough to get to right here,
right now.
Tell me, would you prefer tostart with what you have coming
(01:50):
up or where you've been to getto right now?
SPEAKER_00 (01:54):
Probably not, but yeah, we'll probably be the most
likely place to start.
SPEAKER_01 (02:03):
Okay, so let's start.
Start with your cancer journey.
That was in 2022, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
So a surprise diagnosis?
SPEAKER_00 (02:15):
Um, yes and no.
Um prior to that, I had well, Ihad tongue cancer.
Your tongue cancer, okay.
Tongue cancer, which explains myultimate voice.
So I would feel like that is thebest place to start.
Um is wondering why is shetalking that way?
Um, so I would say not asurprise because I had a history
(02:40):
of white spots on my tongue thatwould occasionally be biopsy and
be fine.
Um, but this one was different.
And that from the short, um, itwas like a painful ulcer that
went over away.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (02:58):
So your your dentist had been on top of it, so you'd
had things checked a few times.
Was it ever on your radar thatit might come back as malignant
as compared to benign when you'dhad things checked before?
SPEAKER_00 (03:12):
Um, nobody really ever told me that.
They said it might be this, itmight be that.
No one was ever very definitiveabout what it was.
And then it was COVID.
Um when I started to get, youknow, the pain that would go
away.
(03:33):
And I um I went to my familydoctor first, who I described my
situation of having the normalbiopsies, the possible
explanation of what it could be,and she said, Oh, yeah, I'm sure
it's this try to show us cream,and she had a swell.
(03:55):
It I mean, also imagine puttinga show cream on your song.
SPEAKER_01 (04:01):
Right.
I I yeah I imagine that it's nota good time.
I mean, I I would think like anytime I've ever had like a canker
sore or using like an ambisol orsomething that numbs whatever
that I used to get canker soreswhen I was a kid, and my parents
were like, here's two dollars.
You can go to the the the storeand and get yourself too much
candy, and that would inevitablycause some type of canker sore.
(04:25):
And yeah, I've had them on mytongue or on my on my lower jaw,
but it absolutely hurts.
SPEAKER_00 (04:32):
So by the time I eventually, you know, I was
starting to eat on the otherside of my mouth, I was starting
to avoid anything acidic.
Um it was really it was startingto affect my speech.
Really, okay.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:51):
So how long is this process from the time you go to
your general doctor and yoursteroid cream and you're
treating it as though it issomething benign, if you will.
I think you go to someonespecial.
SPEAKER_00 (05:06):
I remember noticing it becoming worse the summer of
2021.
Um I went to my doctor inSeptember, and by end of
November is when it was reallystarting to affect my life.
Um, so by I went to a gentleearly December, and they said,
(05:31):
okay, they literally locked meup to the oral surgeon and
settled me a biopsy.
Really?
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (05:41):
So did you feel a little bit relieved like
someone's taking me seriously?
This is nice.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:47):
Okay.
So they also I knew at thatpoint.
Like it was, I mean, theyprescribed me, I mean, I was on
rocks of abdol and tyrol.
At that point, they shouldprescribe me something called
magic mouthwash.
SPEAKER_01 (06:03):
Magic mouthwash, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (06:04):
Um, which I numbed it for about half an hour, which
made it easier to eat.
Um, but by Christmas time, I hada cancer diagnosis.
It was a weekly Christmas andNew Year's, 2021.
Okay.
So by the beginning of the year,2022, it was so painful I wasn't
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speaking.
I was obsessed with my family.
I saw I pulled back from workingat the time.
I was on a lot, I was startingto take pain meditation.
Okay.
Um, yeah.
And they kept passing me up upthe chain of specialists.
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So by the time I landed with mysweet machine, my surgery was
scheduled for March.
SPEAKER_01 (06:57):
Okay, so that take took a little bit longer than I
would like to think it shouldtake.
SPEAKER_00 (07:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (07:02):
From your diagnosis to l landing with the
appropriate treatment team.
SPEAKER_00 (07:08):
Yeah.
To Well I landed with themJanuary, early February, and
scheduled for behavior of March.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (07:17):
Okay, but in the meantime, you are in a
tremendous amount of pain.
SPEAKER_00 (07:20):
Tremendous amount of pain.
And enough speed.
So I remember I remember wakingup in the middle of the night
and I had had really good notesbecause I was like, okay, what
can I take right now?
So I and oh, and I had a feedingtube and so then.
Um Because you'd stopped eating.
Because I wasn't eating enoughshe maybe I don't blame you.
(07:44):
Yeah.
Like hydration need hydrationlevels as well as food.
So I was dropping my really bigfruit.
So I had a feeding soup.
So I had liquid, I had liquidpanel, liquid anvil, and liquid
swamp can't.
So I I had a money tab, um, Ishould say this one every four
(08:08):
hours, this one every six.
SPEAKER_01 (08:10):
So, yeah.
I oh my gosh, you poor thing.
I am not so tongue cancer is notone that we hear a ton about.
I imagine you learned quite abit about it.
SPEAKER_00 (08:24):
Yeah.
Um, so I mean, obviously thereare certain um lifestyle sources
I can contribute to it.
Um, smoking, drinking alcohol,chewing tobacco.
I had done none of that.
Never was a smoker.
Um I was a social drinker likemost of us.
(08:46):
Um, but mine was a logicalprogression of the white passage
on my tongue.
Um autoimmune physician right inplain.
Okay.
Um, so those developed intocancer occasionally.
(09:06):
Um, some cancer or um back andthroat cancer can also be HPV
connected, but mine was not HPVconnected.
SPEAKER_01 (09:17):
So that I know because my significant other a
few years ago had um tonsilcancer, and it was that.
HP cancer.
And yeah, and um they told thedoctors told us at the time that
they are finding far moreHPV-related throat and mouth
cancers in men than they areuterus-wise in women.
(09:43):
Wow.
Um that they're finding more inmen in the throat and tonsils in
the back of the throat and thenand I was very surprised to hear
that.
But at the time, you know, likeI I was like, do do I work how
how do we get checked for thesethings?
I mean, I don't even it was awhole new realm of thought
(10:04):
process for me.
But they also did say that theHPV related throat and and
tongue cancers are have a bettersurvival rate and are easily
treat more easily treated thanif it was not HPV related.
So he was treated and inremission in less than nine
(10:27):
months.
So it was a good outcome.
So how has your treatment andoutcome been?
SPEAKER_00 (10:33):
Good.
Um mine was it was a shade forshummer.
Wow.
Because of the size andinvasiveness of it.
Um so they removed over half ofmy tongue.
Wow.
And rebuilt it with a shave wrapon my forearm.
unknown (10:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:52):
Okay.
Um and they also medicine isamazing to me.
SPEAKER_01 (10:56):
Medicine and science are amazing.
Amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (10:58):
Um, and they did a full dissection and removed
lymphs, all of which wascancer-free.
But because I didn't get fluemerges from my tumor removal,
um, I did six weeks of dailyradiation and chemotherapy.
SPEAKER_01 (11:19):
Okay.
How have you been recovery-wisethrough that process?
SPEAKER_00 (11:24):
Um, right, it's been three years, so happy about
that.
Um, I I always say the wholecancer treatment is like you
have food.
Like you kind of like, you're inthis bubble where everything
outside of that moves on alongas it is, but you're not moving
(11:49):
with it.
You're just kind of there.
Um and I found the mostdifficult part for me was coming
back with the voice I have.
Um my favorite things in lifeare talking and Ian.
SPEAKER_01 (12:11):
I've you're like, why?
Why?
Why make me change the twothings that I love the most?
SPEAKER_00 (12:19):
I love the most.
And so like essentially line tenmonths of not being able really
able to eat and my speech beingaffected, you know, I mean I I
still have eating struggles,obviously, and I still have my
voice, but I'm not the kind ofperson, so stay home and be
(12:42):
quiet.
I I still go on social jailingsand stuff because I love it.
SPEAKER_01 (12:51):
So what has the learning curve been like for you
in terms of speaking?
I mean, having half of yourtongue removed and having a
dissection in your in yourthroat and your lymph nodes.
Obviously, there's there's a bitof relearning to do there.
What has that been like for you?
SPEAKER_00 (13:08):
The aim part was part of the speech.
SPEAKER_01 (13:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (13:12):
It was it was like this pretty much from the
beginning.
Okay.
Um, I did those with speechtherapists, but it was more for
the swallowing muscles.
SPEAKER_01 (13:24):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (13:25):
Because I had to relearn how to swallow and build
up the strength of the musclesin that area.
Okay.
Um, because I hadn't used them,and because I I can't move
things around with my tonguelike I used to be able to.
So I have to eat and be verycareful of not choking.
(13:48):
Um so that was the biggestlearning trip with that.
And it still is, because I stillum talk too fast.
SPEAKER_01 (13:59):
I have always talked to, I've always talked and I've
always spoken too fast.
I've always talking too fast hasalways been the criticism that I
received in anything I did.
When I was first working intelevision, it was slow down,
Danielle, slow down.
And I just, you know, I thinkfast, I talk fast.
SPEAKER_00 (14:17):
Yeah.
And I usually when I speaksomewhere, I always say, remind
me of a hit is second, and Iwant to say it all out fast.
So I always tell people, if youmiss something I said, I'm happy
to repeat myself.
But yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:35):
Well, that's good.
How has everyone been aroundyou?
Did your family and loved onesall just take good care of you?
SPEAKER_00 (14:41):
And yeah, I am very blessed with a swab support
system.
My husband was there for me.
Um, our son, he's a freshmancollege right now.
At the time, he was a nice babe.
Um, so he was, you know, we mymom came and shaved with us, my
dad came to child and shade withus.
(15:03):
So um I have family support inkeeping his life as normal as
possible.
Right.
Um, friends that would take himto swim practice and all of
that.
SPEAKER_01 (15:16):
So, how much of this lived experience informs your
life drafting philosophy?
Because you have a book comingout in October.
Yeah.
I think the date is tentativelythe beginning of October.
Yeah.
But you have uh a life draftingphilosophy that I want to talk
about.
How much of this livedexperience you have informs life
(15:37):
drafting?
SPEAKER_00 (15:38):
Uh 100% of it.
Okay, so let's talk about it.
Um I've always I always say I'vealways thought it should be
someone who wrote a book ongrowth and mindset and all of
that.
Years and years I've wanted todo it.
But this experience umsolidified it a little bit more
(16:01):
for me.
And I came with life trafficbecause nothing is ever perfect.
You can't ever plan, you know,everything should she.
I mean, but we try though, don'twe?
SPEAKER_01 (16:20):
We do try.
We definitely try.
We we plan for the we plan forour pregnancies and our weddings
and our perfect house and ourvacations and yes and jobs.
And I I mean I can't tell youhow many times I've I've told my
kids like it it's okay.
If this is the plath path you'replanning for, if you if you
(16:41):
diverge or if you change yourmind later, that's okay.
Yeah, I've changed career paths.
Uh and there are a few threadsthat have continued to run
through what I do throughout thecourse of my life.
But I've changed officially manytimes.
Change as much as you want.
SPEAKER_00 (16:58):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
And that is what I I mean I Icoach teens and young adults.
I do college admissionscoaching.
SPEAKER_01 (17:10):
Um college admissions, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (17:12):
But also post adults.
So I coach everything.
I'm building a community for MPSmoms because I need community
right now.
But the biggest thing I want tosay across to all of my
audiences is that it doesn'thave to be a perfect plan.
(17:34):
You know, yes, plan, but alwaysbe open for reassessing.
Always be open for editing,crossing things off, moving them
around, starting from scratchand starting over.
I like to call it um keepeverything as a sloppy copy.
(17:56):
A sloppy copy, okay.
Yeah, because I do believe inplanning, but in pencil, right?
Because you can never know forany amount of certainty what's
coming down the road.
That's true.
And we asked his from such anearly age, what do you want to
(18:17):
be when you grow up, right?
And I want to take the pressureoff of them when you're 17 and
everyone saying, What are yougonna measure in?
What are you gonna do?
What are you gonna do?
They don't have to know.
Do I believe that they should dothat self-explanation and look
(18:40):
at possibilities a hundredpercent?
That's why I have the book, butbe open to it chasing.
Be open to you chasing, um,because you're not going to be
the same person you are at 17 asyou will at 24, as you will at
(19:00):
36, etc.
And I I do this type ofself-analysis every year.
So it is not a once in time andpresented, it is a constant
evolution.
SPEAKER_01 (19:16):
So when do you do your own self-analysis?
SPEAKER_00 (19:19):
I so I do like November, December every year.
Okay.
Um, with the new year coming upas the, you know, suggestive.
Um I have always done my wholeyear, but every year I get to
about this point of the year andsay, wait a second, this is not
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where I thought I would be.
So I I feel like I want to domore of a hoy.
Okay.
Like that naughty J, Hungry J,sweet spot, because Okay.
You know, you could have somemaybe fuzzier, you know, longer
(20:04):
range, but I hate, you know,because you can't know what's
coming around the bed.
SPEAKER_01 (20:10):
Is that self-assessment personal,
professional, a combination ofthe two?
All of it.
SPEAKER_00 (20:17):
So I I do four life buckets, that's all of them.
Okay.
I like that.
Um, one of them is health.
House, okay.
Health, e-a.
Health.
Okay.
So health, sorry, okay.
Oh, that's okay.
Um, assessing your physical,emotional, spiritual health,
(20:37):
okay, your satisfaction in that,what's so in well, what we might
like to change.
Okay.
Assessment is connection.
So your family, your friends,what's so in well, what would
you like to see different?
Um, contribution, versus yourwork, what you're putting into
the world, how you'recontributing to your household,
(21:01):
to your community.
Um and the fourth is play.
How are you incorporating joy inyour life?
So I take those four.
And you know, from there we Imean, I usually do a couple more
steps, but that is what I alwaysstart with.
SPEAKER_01 (21:23):
I love that because you didn't say home, work, like
like you allow contribution tobe a mix of all of that.
Like, where am I contributing inthe world?
How am I contributing via work?
How am I contributing to myhome?
How am I contributing to what mykids are doing?
(21:44):
And then you're making sure tosay there has to be play in our
life somewhere.
And oh, I really like that.
Like, what am I doing for myselfhealth-wise?
And you're incorporatingphysical and mental and
spiritual.
Oh, I really like those fourbuckets.
I'm a huge fan.
Yeah.
Is this incorporated in the lifedrafting book?
(22:06):
What is the title of the book?
It is um draft you.
Draft You, okay, like draftuniversity.
SPEAKER_00 (22:12):
Yeah.
Um a life drafting journal.
So it's actually a six-monthjournal workbook.
Okay.
Where I introduce a topic everyweek and you have uh daily
journal prompts or activitiesfor a introspection.
SPEAKER_01 (22:32):
Now, I know you do a lot of work with teens and with
younger people.
Is the book for everyone?
Or is it geared primarily forthe younger heading to college?
SPEAKER_00 (22:43):
The um the voice of it is Zephyr's ears who is um 18
to 25.
I 17 if I'm sure.
Okay.
Um, 17 to 24, 25 is a sweetspot.
Okay.
I will my plan is to do afollow-up.
SPEAKER_01 (23:05):
That was my next question.
SPEAKER_00 (23:08):
Um my plan is to do a follow-up.
That will be yours towardsgrown-up in in transition.
I I love the concept of peoplethat are in a space between no
longer and not yet.
So that how do you manage thattransition of your life?
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And live in schools to figureout where you are and set where
you want to go.
SPEAKER_01 (23:40):
That's fantastic.
So professionally, do you workprimarily?
I mean, I know you mentionedsome adults and then college
admissions.
The bulk of your work is where?
SPEAKER_00 (23:53):
It's about 50-50 right now.
Um, bulk of it is probably umcollege admissions.
Um but I would like to lean moreinto the holistic um life
hosting piece of that age group.
Okay.
Um, and bring it into colleges.
(24:15):
Um, I have a hosting membershipfor adults that I call the draft
lab.
Okay.
That um that I have a lot ofmember benefits that um and then
my higher level of that coachingmembership has one of one
coaching.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:34):
That's amazing.
How long have you been doingthat?
SPEAKER_00 (24:36):
Um about four years, yeah.
Okay.
That's yeah.
So I started four years ago, hadtime off for cancer.
So again for speed, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:53):
How much would you say that that process or that
version of you change beforecancer, after cancer?
So I know I know that the draft,you know, the life drafting is
informed by that experience.
What did the 1.0 version of youlearn to carry into 2.0 Candace?
SPEAKER_00 (25:15):
It is I've always been a life transition coach.
That is what I've like when Istarted my business in 2021,
that is what it was you.
At that point I thought I hadbeen through a lot.
You know, career transition,moving, like moving from state
(25:36):
to state.
Um, but this one, this answer,and still going out and speaking
and doing my thing with thisvoice, just jeep in it.
I don't know how else todescribe it other than having a
(25:58):
stronger ownership of what I'msaying.
SPEAKER_01 (26:03):
I it feels very much uh I don't ever say everything
happens for a reason.
I do think I do think that whathappens to us, it's on us to
decide what to do with it.
100%.
And so I would never say thishappened to you so that you
(26:26):
could, but I can see what you'redoing with it.
Yeah.
Right?
I can see that you had a choiceto say, well, this just robbed
me of my voice.
Like I I had a career that wasbased entirely on me having a
voice.
I don't feel like I have a voiceanymore.
And instead you said, no, wait asecond.
This builds into what it lookslike to change and evolve and to
(26:50):
cocoon and to come out stronger.
And therefore, here I am.
Right now, and uh and I thinkwhat's powerful about what
you're doing is uh one of thereasons that I want to do this
podcast is because I believethat that level of hope can meet
people exactly where they are,depending on what they're going
(27:13):
through at any given time,because we do have the choice.
We do have the choice to stay inthe cocoon.
We have the choice to say, Ican't get up.
I can't.
It really and truly feels like Icannot get up.
And my hope is that there'ssomeone listening right now who
says, Well, if Candace can getup, and she can smile and laugh
(27:39):
through this, and she can be asbright and as vibrant and as
beautiful and and find a purposein a greater purpose in what she
was already doing and make itbigger and better and stronger,
then you know what, maybe I cantoo.
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00 (27:57):
Yeah.
And uh, you know, and to wantfor me to want to be a speaker,
and you know, because that is mysensitive vision for what I want
to do.
I want to write my books and Iwant to talk about them and
coach people.
Um and for me to do that and towant to get on a stage and talk
(28:22):
to people with this voice, Ithink is can be powerful.
SPEAKER_01 (28:29):
Why do you say tentative?
SPEAKER_00 (28:31):
As usual, right?
Because we are all workingprogress, right?
We're always laugh.
Um, yeah.
Well no, I I appreciate that.
And some his either piss off atthe person behind house of lamb
or the coffee who can'tunderstand me.
SPEAKER_01 (28:54):
And that's okay, right?
No, I I I think that what you'resaying right there is incredibly
powerful.
Just because we have chosen todo something strong and powerful
with the experiences we've had,because we are choosing a strong
route, doesn't mean it isn'thard.
It doesn't mean we don't everhave moments where we're not
(29:15):
really pissed off about it.
And it doesn't mean that wedon't have moments where we're
brought to our knees by it.
And that's okay too, becausethat's part of the process.
How do you define hope?
SPEAKER_00 (29:32):
I define hope as not a hope that everything will be
okay, but a hope that I will beable to handle what comes.
Because I I I do optimismresearch because I love the idea
(29:54):
of optimism, but it's not alsoshiny verses and But it it's an
optimism that I will be able todeal with it.
It'll be easy, but yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:11):
No, I I completely agree with you.
And that to me is acceptance andit's the the notion of surrender
to a degree, right?
It's rather than trying tocontrol the situation, it's
recognizing that I can't controlthe situation.
I can control me, and what Ineed is the strength and the
(30:33):
resilience and the know-how andthe belief in myself to get
through whatever comes my way.
And I I like I like thatdefinition of hope.
I mean, that's it's one of thequestions I typically ask
everyone because our hope is oneof those words, uh, and I'm a
word nerd that doesn't have justone definition, right?
(30:55):
And to everyone, it meanssomething a little bit
different.
But the idea behind this podcastis that everyone has a story of
hope that can inspire someoneelse depending on where they are
in their 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 journey.
So where can people find you?
SPEAKER_00 (31:13):
Um life traffic.com.
unknown (31:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:16):
Life traffic.
SPEAKER_00 (31:18):
Um and that on social media also.
Um awesome vloghotion onInstagram, awesome vloghotion on
Facebook, or me personally onFacebook.
Um, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:33):
That's fantastic.
I am so grateful to you fortaking time.
Your story is truly inspiring.
Is there anything I didn't askyou that you would like to
share?
I don't think so.
I feel like I shared what I whatI wanted to share.
I really appreciate you beinghere with me and and taking
(31:55):
time.
And I am inspired by the workthat you're doing and the fact
that you are not tentativelyusing your voice, that you are
truly using your voice.
And I am confident that I'll beable to be in the audience
sometime when you're speaking.
SPEAKER_00 (32:10):
Ah, thank you so much.
SPEAKER_01 (32:12):
You're very welcome.
Thank you for being here withme.
Thanks for having me.
And friends, thank you forjoining us on another episode of
Hope Comes to Visit.
I'm Danielle Elliott Smith.
I so hope that you have foundthe same inspiration and light
in Candace's story that I have,and that you will turn around
and share it with someone youknow needs to have that same
inspiration, light, wisdom, andheart and strength.
(32:33):
And you will come back and visitus again, that you will share
and that you will comment andyou will like and you will do
all the good things that hopeneeds to have in our world.
And until I see you again,please take good care of you.
Thank you for being here.
Naturally, it's important tothank the people who support and
(32:55):
sponsor the podcast.
This episode is supported byChris Dulley, a trusted criminal
defense attorney and friend ofmine here in St.
Louis, who believes in secondchances and solid
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