October 12, 2024 • 48 mins
How does one cultivate hope amid systemic oppression and cultural erasure? Join me, on "Hope Dealer," as we embark on a powerful journey through stories of love, resilience, and community. I am interviewed by my compañera, Cecily Relucio, as we honor the indigenous lands of San Diego and pay tribute to my late Tio Cosme, whose tireless work embodies the spirit of sacrifice and familial pride, challenging xenophobic narratives with a celebration of collective well-being and cultural strength.
Experience the profound transformation as I reflect on crossing borders and navigating identity in the face of internal colonization in the U.S. Growing up in Chicago, I reflect on the systemic efforts to marginalize Mexican heritage and the incredible perseverance of those who remain rooted in their cultural values. Witness my community's resistance to fear and oppression, from gang violence and immigration raids to the empowering moments of pride like the Mexican Independence Day parade, and the crucial role of activists in fostering safety and empowerment.
Finally, we delve into the systemic issues that continue to affect us, from capitalism to racism, and the pressing need for healing and spiritual resilience. Embrace the concept of being a "Hope Dealer," focusing on building a tribe of trust and love to create transformative experiences. Hear about the historical unity of Black and Brown communities and the importance of collective action in combating oppression. As we honor the past and look towards the future, this episode serves as a call to reignite our spirits through hope, love, and community.
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Get Dr. McBride's book "Becoming Changemakers" to explore more stories of resilience and community transformation. Connect with the Become Center at becomecenter.org or email dmcbride@becomecenter.org.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Buenas familia.
Soy Jose, rico or Rico.
Thank you so much for yourattention today.
It means everything to me.
I want to welcome you to HopeDealer, and this is a podcast
about our journey towards hope,resilience and joy through the
stories that we carry about ourreturn home stories that we
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carry about our return home.
I want to introduce you tosomebody that has allowed me to
expand my power of love, my lovein many, many, ways.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Congratulations on launching your podcast, Thank
you.
So I wanted to start today withan acknowledgement that we are
our Camaro home earths we're inthe area of the country most
commonly known as San Diego andto start with a practice of
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gratitude to the Camillan forour existence, our wolf land.
And so I'll start with thequestion of what are you a Greek
hope for today?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, this morning when I got up right before the
sun came out of the mountainsthere and the first thing I did
is I came out and put my handson the dirt here and recognizing
the lands here and just howgrateful I am for for these labs
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to sustain me and sustain us.
And then I immediately went toyesterday, diego contacted me
and wanted to get his baseballequipment so he could, if he
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wants to start playing baseballagain.
So I felt really good when hedid that.
And then Maya contacted mebecause she wanted some
information, because she'sstudying therapist on Wednesday,
then on Monday, a couple ofdays ago.
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This was part of the lens groupthat we started so he
participated in, not only joined, but just so.
I mean this morning I wasgrateful that that my kids are
also taking it upon themselvesto do that.
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So I was grateful one that Iwas in contact with them within
the last 24 hours and, in theirown accord, right are doing this
and they're on the court, rightare doing this and I just saw
how fortunate I was that I'mhere and that you know they
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reached out to me and were inspace and they prevented
themselves and you know, youknow this.
It's been a long road to seethat happen, and just for them
to be able to do that and for meto be part of that, I was very,
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very grateful this morning andvery grateful now.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
That's beautiful.
Yes, it has to be better.
You know, I get to see everyday how you love your children,
your heart's desires for theirwell-being, and so, yeah, I love
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that acknowledgement, you know,of gratitude for where they are
, for their journeys.
I teach you a lot every dayabout how to center the
well-being of my older children.
I just learned a lot from youabout the things that I have to
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release if I really truly wantthem to be well and to be
skilled.
Yeah, also, as we open, arethere specific ancestors that
you wish to enlighten you to theconversation or to acknowledge
today?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, you know I was yesterday.
You know I invited my uncle,who I was with, about two years
ago here right, Cornelio passedaway from cancer and that was in
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these lands where he worked.
He actually worked not too farfrom here in construction.
He was one of the many workersin this area that built these
water filtration systems sopeople could actually live here,
build these water filtrationsystems so people could actually
live here, and he worked outhere for over 20 years.
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You know left his brothers andhis family in Mexico to come
here, like my dad did and a lotof people of our family did.
And I came here with my dadbecause I didn't want him to be
alone.
You know, when I got here, Irealized he was not necessarily
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alone, but what I was able tolearn from him while I was here
was that, you know, he came herebecause he wanted to make
something of himself, he wantedto provide for his family,
particularly my grandparents,and he was very proud of that.
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That he was able to, you know,work really hard, but that my
grandparents never neededanything when they needed
medical attention or anythingand he was able to send money
back, and that you know he sawit as a sacrifice.
You know, I think, many peoplewho come to this side of the
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border and work, you know thissacrifice is already given, but
he felt very proud that he wasable to do that and do his part,
and I didn't hear any likeregrets.
So you know, I think about thatsometimes when people sacrifice
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their lives to be able toprovide for others.
But I'm sure there has to havebeen some right or at least you
know just the sacrifice of, Ithink about what his life would
have been if he didn't have tocome over here.
So my uncle, who basically diednot too far from me in these
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lands to be able to work in avery similar environment like
this, he had a trailer park.
When I visited him he was in atrailer home in the desert next
to a casino, and I think abouthim every time I come near here.
So I would like to invite himhere with us.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Welcome, like to invite him here with us.
Welcome, um.
I think what's so importantabout the story that you're
telling, particularly in thispolitical movement where there's
so much um xenophobic,anti-immigrant, anti-latino,
anti-mexican rhetoric rightabout what brings people to
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migrate to the United States,what their intentions are.
You know all of this kind offear-mongering and hate stoking
of hatred, you know, againstpeople who are othered, and I
think what your storyillustrates is that value of
love, family, so like collectivewell-being, that fortunately,
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because of the economic systemsthat we live in, is so very much
tied to what we produce in acapitalist economy.
So I think that you naming andtalking about his story, I think
, is um such an importantcounter narrative to to you know
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the stuff that we're swimmingin right.
So tell us a bit about yourstory.
Who are you?
What do you want people,especially the people listening
to this podcast, to know aboutyou?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, I think you know I share a very similar
story to my uncle's story, rightwhen I came here as a kid with
my brother.
We were young, we actuallycrossed the border right over
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those mountains, which is theTijuana entry points over there,
and my brother and I crossedwhen we were children he was, I
was, I think, six, he was five.
My parents had already come toChicago.
My dad worked in a railroad andcame when I was probably around
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two or three, and then my momcame soon after to work, and the
reason why she came was becausethey both wanted to bring us
over as quickly as possible, sothat was a good way to try to
save as much money as possiblefrom chicago.
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Um, and so during that time, uh,that my parents were here, I
was in mexico city or a townoutside of mexico it's a city
called and live, you know, apretty normal life of a four or
five-year-old playing out in thestreets.
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Well, they weren't streets,they were.
It was dirt, because where wewere at was a shantytown outside
at that time, with mygrandparents, my little bae and
my grandfather and my brotherand my cousins and the kids who
lived in that block.
And you know, at that time, Imean, my life consisted of
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taking care of the animals inthe house, which were rabbits,
chickens, pigs.
We had like a little farm inour house.
We had an outhouse that was anall-indoor plumbing, and you
know, my earliest memories wereof playing with the chickens and
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running away from the roosters,because the roosters get really
mad when you play with thechickens, mad when you play with
the chickens.
Um, we used to uh, play withbeetles, that flies and tie
strings to the back of theirneck or the back of their legs,
and as they flew away they werelike kites, and so we would go.
When it rained, we would likeplay under mud and find, um,
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frogs, saples, and we will playwith the frogs, with the saples,
when it will rain.
Those were our toys.
Um and um.
And you know I, I felt, I mean,there were days when we didn't
have potable water, there wasdays when we didn't eat.
Um, you know I, I, like mybrother and other kids, would
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work out in, you know, out inthe city, but I felt loved and
it was great being there.
But for me, you know, whatchanged was that one day my
grandmother put my brother and Iin a train to come to Tijuana
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and then, while we were there,this white family took us into
their house.
They had other kids there andslept there.
They kept us up really late.
I remember watching wrestlingand I don't know if it was like,
I don't remember if it was likeMexican lucha libre wrestling
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or like WWE wrestling, but itwas wrestling, um, and their
kids were up late and we wereexhausted because it was a long
train ride from Antigua City toAntigua, um.
But the next thing I rememberin the morning was being being
almost picked up or dragged togo into the car because we were
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sleeping, and put in the backseats of the car with the
children in laundry bags so wecould cross the border.
And at that moment, you know,we didn't know where we were
going.
We crossed the border and metup with my uncle at the parking
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lot of San Diego Zoo and then wegot on the plane and flew to
O'Hare and that's where mymother picked me up.
What I've come to realize many,many years later was that you
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know that crossy, which is avery short cross, was the
beginning of probably, you know,the biggest challenge and the
biggest transformation really ofme as a human being.
Right, because I went from aplace where I was loved to where
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my identity was never an issue,where, you know, I was never
seen as a threat, where, youknow, I was never seen as a
threat.
And then, immediately when Icrossed the border, my being was
criminalized.
When I went to school, myidentity was seen as deficient
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or inferior.
My language there was asystematic effort to eliminate
my language and, you know, as asix-year-old and then growing up
in Chicago and you know, on18th Street and 26th Street,
which is where I grew up for mychildhood, there was definitely
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an intentional system to controland to criminalize and to
dehumanize.
And so that crossing, you know,and that border automatically
put me and you know, and therest of other people, in a
trajectory of really trying tocontrol us and trying to set us
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in a path that was reallyagainst who we can be and
separate us from who we reallyare.
And it's been a process, youknow, again, over many, many
years, to really understand justhow sinister and how difficult
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and how harmful that that losshas had.
You know, on the flip side, italso is a testament to how
people are able to not only beresilient but persevere and
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still be able to love and stillbe able to make music and value
the culture and everything thatwe have within us.
But there is one thing that youknow.
A lot of times people ask melike what has been some of the
biggest challenges that you'veovercome?
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I'm like what?
I don't know if I'm overcomingthem, but if there's a challenge
it's, it's, it has to be.
You know what some people herein these parts still consider an
occupation and a militarizationof people's bodies and people's
identities.
Uh, and that's something thatyou know.
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For people that are consciousof that process, it's something
that we consciously try to bringlove out of that.
And, you know, unfortunately,for a lot of people that are not
conscious and aware of that,have spent many years trying to
figure out what's wrong withthem and not really
understanding what's going onwith, what's really going on
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with them and how they're beingtreated and controlled.
So I guess part of my story isdefined by that crossing going
from you know Mexico and cominghere and then really spending
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the majority of my life findinghome, and at first I thought it
was going back to Mexico, butit's not that.
It's really about being able toconnect to spirit and being
able to come out.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Of who you are in the world and your relationship
with yourself.
What has allowed you to remainconnected to that core truth of
who you are as a human being, asa Mexicano, as someone of
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Purépecha descent, that coretruth of who you are in your
full human dignity?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, you know, I think that what I realize now is
that that never leaves right.
You know, humanity doesn't everleave you.
What?
What I have realized is thatthere were certain points in my
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life that I'm looking back atnow was like oh, that's why I
was there and that's what givesme an insight on why I behaved a
certain way or why that waspresented to me.
I mean, one of the earliestmemories I had when I was I mean
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I grew up in 18th Street and26th Street in the 70s, 80s and
90s.
I mean that's arguably probablythe most it was at the height
of the gang and drug wars in thecountry.
You know, those of us that grewup in those streets during that
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time probably saw the largestnumber of street shootings in
Chicago.
And during that time also inthe 70s, there were a lot of
liberation raids in theneighborhoods, and so you know,
my dad got deported once myuncles got deported.
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I had family members and in the70s, you know we'll go to
family functions and people werescared that they will go to
work one day, they will do awork raid, and then you didn't
know if you were going to comeback.
People couldn't pick up theirkids.
So there was a strong feelingof fear.
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I didn't know that.
That was something that waspart of us, that took a hold of
us until you know.
I remember one day, 18th Street,there was this guy named
Cardenas I forgot his first name, but he used to own the biggest
grocery stores there and heused to do a Mexican
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Independence Day parade onSeptember 16th and he used to
come.
You know where his.
You know all the horses willcome out.
Every state will have a float.
So it was a time where, you know, in Chicago, people felt a lot
of pride.
It was a time where you couldfeel proud about being Mexican.
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It wasn't just about going towork and trying to avoid La
Migra.
And I remember one year, youknow, and I don't remember, I'm
assuming it had to be in theearly 80s, because I must have
been, you know, been maybe 11 or12 years old, but I remember
one year there was a group ofpeople in the parade that
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started making fun ofimmigration.
They would wear the greenuniforms, they would dress like
pigs and they would walk aroundtrying to deport people and
almost like um, like uh, what'sthat show?
Where, like, the police, weremade to look silly or or
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incompetent police academy yeah,maybe police academy or there
was some other.
There was some other like Barney, anyway.
So they were made to lookincompetent, right and silly,
and the whole purpose of thatfloat or that part was for
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people to laugh at theimmigration.
And then you could throw a ballinto a booth of water and they
will fall into the booth ofwater, or you could throw paint
at them and it was a way to getpeople to release that fear,
right.
And I remember that parade inparticular, and it was during
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Fiesa del Sol, and I rememberthey would do it during Fiesa
del Solazo, and I remember thatthat was a time where I realized
that around me and it wasn'tjust me, right, because it's
your community that I felt thatthe fear would give away.
And that was a moment when Irealized that it's not just the
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fear that I had, but it was acollective fear, but also that,
um, that we could move past it.
Um, and you know, and yearslater I found out that, uh, rudy
lozano senior was the organizerof those um and the
organization casa were theorganizers of those of those
things in the parades and theywould do them all over the all
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over the city.
Uh, so that was one, you know,very important memory that I had
as a kid, because you know when, when you're, when you're a kid
and then you go to school andyou see that that that shapes so
much about who you are and thatexplains a lot why you know,
during that moment in my history, again in the 80s and 90s, a
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lot of us that came and thatwere in Chicago particularly
Mexican kids assimilated and howthat assimilation was such a
powerful force because theschools promoted it.
Right.
There were no teachers, nobilingual teachers at that time,
and then they would be likelook, if you want to get a job,
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if you don't want to be chasedby police, if you don't want to
do this, you got to change yourname.
You can't speak in Spanish, youhave to do that.
So I saw in a lot of, a lot ofmy friends that that's what
happened.
I was fortunate that I hung outwith some street kids.
So assimilation wasn'tnecessarily a cool thing to do
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in my elementary school becausewe were out on the streets and
you know, because of myexperience with schooling, I
wasn't, I wasn't trying to bethe best student, but it did
happen when I went to highschool because it was a whole
different situation that I wasthere.
But for me the activist thatwas in Chicago has always been
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the lifeline or the example ofreally rejecting that control
and also being able to be incommunity and heal.
I guess, for you know, wewouldn't use that language back
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then, but it was anacknowledgement that the fear
that we were feeling and thatlack of safety is something that
we need to control ourselves.
So those are my earliestmemories is how the activist
community in Chicago, one of themajor roles that they play, was
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just to try to comfort andreassure.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
You know people that the power of a social critique
right that was enacted in thisexperience in the parade hope
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through like resistance, throughthat act of resistance, through
that act of you know kind ofmockery, of you know the that
complexity, order, industrial,complex, you know that um, and
just saying like, yeah, we're,we're not afraid, we're not
afraid to be out in public andcritique and say like, yeah,
this is bullshit, even if it'sjust.
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You know that one day a year,creating that space to say, to
like, express this is not okay,because I think that when we
have these alternative visionsand pathways and stories, that's
what enables us to have morechoices in the world about how
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we respond to oppression.
So and I'm also thinking aboutsomething we learned yesterday
when we arrived on these landswas about what we heard from our
friend that lives here, aboutthe Green Lives Matter movement.
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I guess, shall we say, you knowthat is about you know it's a
play on Blue Lives Matter andit's about you know Border
Patrol agents matter too.
You know it's a play on BlueLives Matter and it's about you
know border patrol agents Matter02, you know, and so I'm struck
by like, because these arestructures, like a lot of things
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that you're sharing about yourexperience that you know remain
consistent, you know, because ofthe day, so I'd love if you
could talk a bit about thismoment that we're in, um.
How are you understanding it?
How is that connected to, likehow we got here and what are we
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being called to do in thismoment or in your opinion?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
yeah, um, so you know , um, unfortunately, you know,
we're, we're at, we're in themiddle, or yeah, of a
presidential election rightwhere, where trump again is
calling out mexicans um and umand dehumanizing Mexicans again
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in public and fear-mongering Imean he's very deliberate of,
you know, putting situations andparticularly putting Mexicans
and other folks that come hereinto a position to get folks
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here in this area and across thecountry to fear the other and
to particularly target Mexicansand criminalize others and
really, I think, make a lot ofthe systems that have been
challenged during the pandemicand during the uprisings, you
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know, led by black folks here inthis country and really trying
to counter some of thetreetelling that happened.
But also, you know, some of thechanges in law, some of the
reforms that happened, and youknow, for us and for myself, you
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know somebody who's spent over30 years really trying to help
others not just transformthemselves through education and
through community organizing Isee this as something that could
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very easily make this countryand this society worse and for
me that is something that isvery real, that's a very real
possibility where you know mygrandfather when he came to work
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here he was part of the Braceroprogram and then was deported
through the Bracero program, andI remember him talking about
how they would just go torestaurants and just round up
people and put them in detentioncamps but mostly deport them,
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and we know that that's a planthat's in the works right now if
Trump gets elected.
So how do we, as people thatunderstand, where you know, the
natural conclusion of thiscapitalist, racist structure,
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that that could happen to a lotof us and obviously the most
palatable place that people thatthat will happen to will be
immigrants and people that areseen as other, and so I think
we're in a very dangerous time.
But I also think that, again,those of us that are targeted
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and those of us that have beenworking doing this type of work,
we're also tired, and we'vebeen doing so much we've been
spending so much time fightingand we've been spending so much.
We've been spending so much timefighting and we've been
spending so much time callingout the system and we've been
spending so much time fightingwithin each other that my hope
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is that we spend timeunderstanding not only what's
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wrong, but also spending sometime and some dedication and get
together with people who aredoing this type of work is see
how they're doing it and seewhat we can learn about how
people are reconnecting withthemselves, what their healing
journey is, what is their pathto um, reconnecting with their
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spirit, um, and, and how that isdone in community, um, and, and
being able to provide either uman opening for people to take
that path, connecting them to acommunity that's already
practicing, that's near them, orencouraging people to actually
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start their own um community ofpractice, of um, of uh,
centering not just our humanitybut the love that we must have
if we're going to defeat thehate, um and the fear that's out
there.
So for me, this is I think I'min a moment in time where I've
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not only felt the harm from thesystems, but from individuals
and institutions, and I justwanted to focus my energy in
what I had to offer, to beingable to connect with people in
as many ways as possible aredoing and see what I could learn
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from them, but, moreimportantly, also how other
people uh, what other people canlearn uh, from, uh, from them
and uh, and not give in to allthe negativity, the news, the
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rumors, all the toxicity that'sout there and really um, uh,
hear people's stories and theirvoices and get inspiration from
them.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah.
So I feel like what I'm hearingis in this moment that feels
like this very intense spiritualwarfare.
You know and I think it'sreally important for us to get
clear and name things for whatthey are that the antidote to
that is our own spiritualpractice, that being in both a
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deep and intense individualpractice, but then also sharing
of that practice collectively ofyou know, how, how do we remain
connected to our spirits andhow can our spiritual practice
guide and inform what we'rebeing called to do in this
moment?
Um, so one of my favoritethings about you, um and there
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are many is your capacity to see, um, to envision possibility.
Um, at times and at momentswhere others including myself,
you know are more constrained inour belief in what's possible,
and I think that's why, when youstarted to talk to me about
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envisioning the podcast and Iimmediately was like it should
be called Hope Dealer, and youwere like yes, so talk about why
Hope Dealer, and why did thatresonate for you?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah, I mean, the first reason why is because it's
hood, right, and there's somuch that we, there's so much in
hood people that we need to notonly learn from, but frankly,
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that that's where a lot of theresistance is.
So I like that, I like the hopedealer, I like the vibe.
I like the vibe and you know,and, and I think it is about a
practice of hope and and it is adiscipline and it is something
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that we need to be intentionalabout, making a commitment to
connecting with our spirit andto be able to practice love and
gratitude.
And you know, it's not one ofthose things where I hope things
will get better, but it isabout how can we be intentional
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about not only connecting to ourspirit but to also make the
practice be who we are, and thatrequires for me to let some
things go right.
(38:02):
So it's a choice.
It's a very deliberate choiceof practicing hope, because and
then it means you can't peddlein, you know, in hate, and you
can't peddle and this otherstuff that brings people down
and that makes people go againsteach other.
Um, and, and you know, and, and, and it is about, you know, the
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dealer part is about reallytrying to see who else you could
connect with and who will, whowill be your tribe, who are the
people that you're going tocommit with, um, uh, to do this
right?
I mean, I think you know you'revery good at this.
It's, um, how can we create acommunity of um, of trust and
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love to be able to make magichappen?
Uh, because at the end of theday, that's what I've learned is
that that's where home lies,it's where that magic happens,
between people and amongstpeople.
That it's, you know.
Two of the elements are hope,love and trust, and that's the
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dealer part.
It's like I want to be outthere slanging and see who is
going to take some of this goodstuff that we have and be able
to bring people together and Imean, and get high on not only
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get high on life, but get highon each other's willingness to
be in community.
Because you know, I mean,that's we're not going to.
I haven't found enlightenmentand my higher self on my own,
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and I think that that'ssomething that, intuitively,
I've never had that happen.
But I think sometimes peoplethink that if you do your yoga
and if you practice by yourselfor you do whatever, that that's
where you're going to find yourhigher self and I've never
experienced that.
But it is about being out thereand trying to connect with
(40:14):
people and you know, and there'smany different ways to do that
and just, I'm actually want tobe able.
I mean, I I believe I stillneed to go deeper into my
practice and I want to connectdeeper with people and that's
something that is as um,hopefully, as this podcast and
(40:38):
my work continues, uh, we'reable to find places and spaces
to be able to, for me to be ableto learn more and go deeper
into my practice and go deeperinto my relationships with
people.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah, so who is Hope Dealer for and who are you
hoping is going to tune in?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Well, you know, I'm hoping it's the folks that have
been doing this work on avariety of levels.
You know, I saw our lastelection for mayor and, like
thousands of people, filled withhope of what we could
(41:20):
accomplish and there's a lot ofthings that have been
accomplished in the city.
But there's also a lot ofdisappointments and I've seen a
lot of people now turn negativeand have been not only
disappointed but have been verycritical justifyingly so but I
(41:42):
think, almost like don't want tocontinue the fight to be able
to do this work.
So for me, if I were to pick atarget audience, it would be
those individuals that have beendoing work on a variety of
different levels, not justpolitical, electoral things, but
(42:03):
I've been working, whether it'swith the migrant issues or
whether it's with reparationsand the different areas that we
know and care about, thatthey're able to listen to me and
others and keep their, to knowthat they're not alone in this
(42:26):
work but also to, if they arecontinuing, a practice of hope
or discipline, of hope, thatthey get energized to continue
to do it and then also, you know, again to be encouraged to be
with a community of folks thatthey want to reengage, to teach,
(42:46):
learn and practice thediscipline of love, the
(43:11):
discipline of hope, thedisciplines of belonging.
So it's solidarity that issomething that's not an
individual practice that you paya membership for somewhere, but
that it's a communal practicethat spreads all over the city
(43:31):
and just reconnect people and beable to reengage people in a
way that people are able to seehope.
It's not as a slogan but as apractice.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Me neither, thank you .
Thank you, amor.
I didn't know you were going tobe this good.
Why are you surprised?
I shouldn't be surprised.
I was like, damn, maybe sheshould do it.
Thank you, baby.
Your history book's got it allwrong.
So I come to you with a song In1810, con el gran grito de
(44:17):
pasión se levantaron con razón.
Black and brown fightingtogether on a day I'll always
remember.
Thank you.
Buenas familia.
Soy Jose, rico or Rico.
Thank you so much for yourattention today.
It means everything to me.
I want to welcome you to HopeDealer, and this is a podcast
about our journey towards hope,resilience and joy through the
stories that we carry about ourreturn home stories that we
(00:26):
carry about our return home.
I want to introduce you tosomebody that has allowed me to
expand my power of love, my lovein many, many, ways.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Congratulations on launching your podcast, Thank
you.
So I wanted to start today withan acknowledgement that we are
our Camaro home earths we're inthe area of the country most
commonly known as San Diego andto start with a practice of
(01:05):
gratitude to the Camillan forour existence, our wolf land.
And so I'll start with thequestion of what are you a Greek
hope for today?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, this morning when I got up right before the
sun came out of the mountainsthere and the first thing I did
is I came out and put my handson the dirt here and recognizing
the lands here and just howgrateful I am for for these labs
(01:45):
to sustain me and sustain us.
And then I immediately went toyesterday, diego contacted me
and wanted to get his baseballequipment so he could, if he
(02:06):
wants to start playing baseballagain.
So I felt really good when hedid that.
And then Maya contacted mebecause she wanted some
information, because she'sstudying therapist on Wednesday,
then on Monday, a couple ofdays ago.
(02:28):
This was part of the lens groupthat we started so he
participated in, not only joined, but just so.
I mean this morning I wasgrateful that that my kids are
also taking it upon themselvesto do that.
(02:53):
So I was grateful one that Iwas in contact with them within
the last 24 hours and, in theirown accord, right are doing this
and they're on the court, rightare doing this and I just saw
how fortunate I was that I'mhere and that you know they
(03:13):
reached out to me and were inspace and they prevented
themselves and you know, youknow this.
It's been a long road to seethat happen, and just for them
to be able to do that and for meto be part of that, I was very,
(03:34):
very grateful this morning andvery grateful now.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
That's beautiful.
Yes, it has to be better.
You know, I get to see everyday how you love your children,
your heart's desires for theirwell-being, and so, yeah, I love
(04:04):
that acknowledgement, you know,of gratitude for where they are
, for their journeys.
I teach you a lot every dayabout how to center the
well-being of my older children.
I just learned a lot from youabout the things that I have to
(04:26):
release if I really truly wantthem to be well and to be
skilled.
Yeah, also, as we open, arethere specific ancestors that
you wish to enlighten you to theconversation or to acknowledge
today?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, you know I was yesterday.
You know I invited my uncle,who I was with, about two years
ago here right, Cornelio passedaway from cancer and that was in
(05:11):
these lands where he worked.
He actually worked not too farfrom here in construction.
He was one of the many workersin this area that built these
water filtration systems sopeople could actually live here,
build these water filtrationsystems so people could actually
live here, and he worked outhere for over 20 years.
(05:31):
You know left his brothers andhis family in Mexico to come
here, like my dad did and a lotof people of our family did.
And I came here with my dadbecause I didn't want him to be
alone.
You know, when I got here, Irealized he was not necessarily
(05:54):
alone, but what I was able tolearn from him while I was here
was that, you know, he came herebecause he wanted to make
something of himself, he wantedto provide for his family,
particularly my grandparents,and he was very proud of that.
(06:14):
That he was able to, you know,work really hard, but that my
grandparents never neededanything when they needed
medical attention or anythingand he was able to send money
back, and that you know he sawit as a sacrifice.
You know, I think, many peoplewho come to this side of the
(06:39):
border and work, you know thissacrifice is already given, but
he felt very proud that he wasable to do that and do his part,
and I didn't hear any likeregrets.
So you know, I think about thatsometimes when people sacrifice
(06:59):
their lives to be able toprovide for others.
But I'm sure there has to havebeen some right or at least you
know just the sacrifice of, Ithink about what his life would
have been if he didn't have tocome over here.
So my uncle, who basically diednot too far from me in these
(07:22):
lands to be able to work in avery similar environment like
this, he had a trailer park.
When I visited him he was in atrailer home in the desert next
to a casino, and I think abouthim every time I come near here.
So I would like to invite himhere with us.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Welcome, like to invite him here with us.
Welcome, um.
I think what's so importantabout the story that you're
telling, particularly in thispolitical movement where there's
so much um xenophobic,anti-immigrant, anti-latino,
anti-mexican rhetoric rightabout what brings people to
(08:08):
migrate to the United States,what their intentions are.
You know all of this kind offear-mongering and hate stoking
of hatred, you know, againstpeople who are othered, and I
think what your storyillustrates is that value of
love, family, so like collectivewell-being, that fortunately,
(08:34):
because of the economic systemsthat we live in, is so very much
tied to what we produce in acapitalist economy.
So I think that you naming andtalking about his story, I think
, is um such an importantcounter narrative to to you know
(08:55):
the stuff that we're swimmingin right.
So tell us a bit about yourstory.
Who are you?
What do you want people,especially the people listening
to this podcast, to know aboutyou?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, I think you know I share a very similar
story to my uncle's story, rightwhen I came here as a kid with
my brother.
We were young, we actuallycrossed the border right over
(09:40):
those mountains, which is theTijuana entry points over there,
and my brother and I crossedwhen we were children he was, I
was, I think, six, he was five.
My parents had already come toChicago.
My dad worked in a railroad andcame when I was probably around
(10:05):
two or three, and then my momcame soon after to work, and the
reason why she came was becausethey both wanted to bring us
over as quickly as possible, sothat was a good way to try to
save as much money as possiblefrom chicago.
(10:27):
Um, and so during that time, uh,that my parents were here, I
was in mexico city or a townoutside of mexico it's a city
called and live, you know, apretty normal life of a four or
five-year-old playing out in thestreets.
(10:47):
Well, they weren't streets,they were.
It was dirt, because where wewere at was a shantytown outside
at that time, with mygrandparents, my little bae and
my grandfather and my brotherand my cousins and the kids who
lived in that block.
And you know, at that time, Imean, my life consisted of
(11:14):
taking care of the animals inthe house, which were rabbits,
chickens, pigs.
We had like a little farm inour house.
We had an outhouse that was anall-indoor plumbing, and you
know, my earliest memories wereof playing with the chickens and
(11:36):
running away from the roosters,because the roosters get really
mad when you play with thechickens, mad when you play with
the chickens.
Um, we used to uh, play withbeetles, that flies and tie
strings to the back of theirneck or the back of their legs,
and as they flew away they werelike kites, and so we would go.
When it rained, we would likeplay under mud and find, um,
(12:01):
frogs, saples, and we will playwith the frogs, with the saples,
when it will rain.
Those were our toys.
Um and um.
And you know I, I felt, I mean,there were days when we didn't
have potable water, there wasdays when we didn't eat.
Um, you know I, I, like mybrother and other kids, would
(12:23):
work out in, you know, out inthe city, but I felt loved and
it was great being there.
But for me, you know, whatchanged was that one day my
grandmother put my brother and Iin a train to come to Tijuana
(12:44):
and then, while we were there,this white family took us into
their house.
They had other kids there andslept there.
They kept us up really late.
I remember watching wrestlingand I don't know if it was like,
I don't remember if it was likeMexican lucha libre wrestling
(13:07):
or like WWE wrestling, but itwas wrestling, um, and their
kids were up late and we wereexhausted because it was a long
train ride from Antigua City toAntigua, um.
But the next thing I rememberin the morning was being being
almost picked up or dragged togo into the car because we were
(13:28):
sleeping, and put in the backseats of the car with the
children in laundry bags so wecould cross the border.
And at that moment, you know,we didn't know where we were
going.
We crossed the border and metup with my uncle at the parking
(13:51):
lot of San Diego Zoo and then wegot on the plane and flew to
O'Hare and that's where mymother picked me up.
What I've come to realize many,many years later was that you
(14:13):
know that crossy, which is avery short cross, was the
beginning of probably, you know,the biggest challenge and the
biggest transformation really ofme as a human being.
Right, because I went from aplace where I was loved to where
(14:37):
my identity was never an issue,where, you know, I was never
seen as a threat, where, youknow, I was never seen as a
threat.
And then, immediately when Icrossed the border, my being was
criminalized.
When I went to school, myidentity was seen as deficient
(15:01):
or inferior.
My language there was asystematic effort to eliminate
my language and, you know, as asix-year-old and then growing up
in Chicago and you know, on18th Street and 26th Street,
which is where I grew up for mychildhood, there was definitely
(15:26):
an intentional system to controland to criminalize and to
dehumanize.
And so that crossing, you know,and that border automatically
put me and you know, and therest of other people, in a
trajectory of really trying tocontrol us and trying to set us
(15:51):
in a path that was reallyagainst who we can be and
separate us from who we reallyare.
And it's been a process, youknow, again, over many, many
years, to really understand justhow sinister and how difficult
(16:18):
and how harmful that that losshas had.
You know, on the flip side, italso is a testament to how
people are able to not only beresilient but persevere and
(16:38):
still be able to love and stillbe able to make music and value
the culture and everything thatwe have within us.
But there is one thing that youknow.
A lot of times people ask melike what has been some of the
biggest challenges that you'veovercome?
(17:00):
I'm like what?
I don't know if I'm overcomingthem, but if there's a challenge
it's, it's, it has to be.
You know what some people herein these parts still consider an
occupation and a militarizationof people's bodies and people's
identities.
Uh, and that's something thatyou know.
(17:21):
For people that are consciousof that process, it's something
that we consciously try to bringlove out of that.
And, you know, unfortunately,for a lot of people that are not
conscious and aware of that,have spent many years trying to
figure out what's wrong withthem and not really
understanding what's going onwith, what's really going on
(17:44):
with them and how they're beingtreated and controlled.
So I guess part of my story isdefined by that crossing going
from you know Mexico and cominghere and then really spending
(18:07):
the majority of my life findinghome, and at first I thought it
was going back to Mexico, butit's not that.
It's really about being able toconnect to spirit and being
able to come out.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Of who you are in the world and your relationship
with yourself.
What has allowed you to remainconnected to that core truth of
who you are as a human being, asa Mexicano, as someone of
(18:42):
Purépecha descent, that coretruth of who you are in your
full human dignity?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, you know, I think that what I realize now is
that that never leaves right.
You know, humanity doesn't everleave you.
What?
What I have realized is thatthere were certain points in my
(19:15):
life that I'm looking back atnow was like oh, that's why I
was there and that's what givesme an insight on why I behaved a
certain way or why that waspresented to me.
I mean, one of the earliestmemories I had when I was I mean
(19:38):
I grew up in 18th Street and26th Street in the 70s, 80s and
90s.
I mean that's arguably probablythe most it was at the height
of the gang and drug wars in thecountry.
You know, those of us that grewup in those streets during that
(19:59):
time probably saw the largestnumber of street shootings in
Chicago.
And during that time also inthe 70s, there were a lot of
liberation raids in theneighborhoods, and so you know,
my dad got deported once myuncles got deported.
(20:21):
I had family members and in the70s, you know we'll go to
family functions and people werescared that they will go to
work one day, they will do awork raid, and then you didn't
know if you were going to comeback.
People couldn't pick up theirkids.
So there was a strong feelingof fear.
(20:43):
I didn't know that.
That was something that waspart of us, that took a hold of
us until you know.
I remember one day, 18th Street,there was this guy named
Cardenas I forgot his first name, but he used to own the biggest
grocery stores there and heused to do a Mexican
(21:05):
Independence Day parade onSeptember 16th and he used to
come.
You know where his.
You know all the horses willcome out.
Every state will have a float.
So it was a time where, you know, in Chicago, people felt a lot
of pride.
It was a time where you couldfeel proud about being Mexican.
(21:26):
It wasn't just about going towork and trying to avoid La
Migra.
And I remember one year, youknow, and I don't remember, I'm
assuming it had to be in theearly 80s, because I must have
been, you know, been maybe 11 or12 years old, but I remember
one year there was a group ofpeople in the parade that
(21:52):
started making fun ofimmigration.
They would wear the greenuniforms, they would dress like
pigs and they would walk aroundtrying to deport people and
almost like um, like uh, what'sthat show?
Where, like, the police, weremade to look silly or or
(22:12):
incompetent police academy yeah,maybe police academy or there
was some other.
There was some other like Barney, anyway.
So they were made to lookincompetent, right and silly,
and the whole purpose of thatfloat or that part was for
(22:36):
people to laugh at theimmigration.
And then you could throw a ballinto a booth of water and they
will fall into the booth ofwater, or you could throw paint
at them and it was a way to getpeople to release that fear,
right.
And I remember that parade inparticular, and it was during
(22:57):
Fiesa del Sol, and I rememberthey would do it during Fiesa
del Solazo, and I remember thatthat was a time where I realized
that around me and it wasn'tjust me, right, because it's
your community that I felt thatthe fear would give away.
And that was a moment when Irealized that it's not just the
(23:24):
fear that I had, but it was acollective fear, but also that,
um, that we could move past it.
Um, and you know, and yearslater I found out that, uh, rudy
lozano senior was the organizerof those um and the
organization casa were theorganizers of those of those
things in the parades and theywould do them all over the all
(23:47):
over the city.
Uh, so that was one, you know,very important memory that I had
as a kid, because you know when, when you're, when you're a kid
and then you go to school andyou see that that that shapes so
much about who you are and thatexplains a lot why you know,
during that moment in my history, again in the 80s and 90s, a
(24:11):
lot of us that came and thatwere in Chicago particularly
Mexican kids assimilated and howthat assimilation was such a
powerful force because theschools promoted it.
Right.
There were no teachers, nobilingual teachers at that time,
and then they would be likelook, if you want to get a job,
(24:37):
if you don't want to be chasedby police, if you don't want to
do this, you got to change yourname.
You can't speak in Spanish, youhave to do that.
So I saw in a lot of, a lot ofmy friends that that's what
happened.
I was fortunate that I hung outwith some street kids.
So assimilation wasn'tnecessarily a cool thing to do
(24:59):
in my elementary school becausewe were out on the streets and
you know, because of myexperience with schooling, I
wasn't, I wasn't trying to bethe best student, but it did
happen when I went to highschool because it was a whole
different situation that I wasthere.
But for me the activist thatwas in Chicago has always been
(25:25):
the lifeline or the example ofreally rejecting that control
and also being able to be incommunity and heal.
I guess, for you know, wewouldn't use that language back
(25:46):
then, but it was anacknowledgement that the fear
that we were feeling and thatlack of safety is something that
we need to control ourselves.
So those are my earliestmemories is how the activist
community in Chicago, one of themajor roles that they play, was
(26:06):
just to try to comfort andreassure.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
You know people that the power of a social critique
right that was enacted in thisexperience in the parade hope
(26:49):
through like resistance, throughthat act of resistance, through
that act of you know kind ofmockery, of you know the that
complexity, order, industrial,complex, you know that um, and
just saying like, yeah, we're,we're not afraid, we're not
afraid to be out in public andcritique and say like, yeah,
this is bullshit, even if it'sjust.
(27:10):
You know that one day a year,creating that space to say, to
like, express this is not okay,because I think that when we
have these alternative visionsand pathways and stories, that's
what enables us to have morechoices in the world about how
(27:32):
we respond to oppression.
So and I'm also thinking aboutsomething we learned yesterday
when we arrived on these landswas about what we heard from our
friend that lives here, aboutthe Green Lives Matter movement.
(27:55):
I guess, shall we say, you knowthat is about you know it's a
play on Blue Lives Matter andit's about you know Border
Patrol agents matter too.
You know it's a play on BlueLives Matter and it's about you
know border patrol agents Matter02, you know, and so I'm struck
by like, because these arestructures, like a lot of things
(28:15):
that you're sharing about yourexperience that you know remain
consistent, you know, because ofthe day, so I'd love if you
could talk a bit about thismoment that we're in, um.
How are you understanding it?
How is that connected to, likehow we got here and what are we
(28:37):
being called to do in thismoment or in your opinion?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
yeah, um, so you know , um, unfortunately, you know,
we're, we're at, we're in themiddle, or yeah, of a
presidential election rightwhere, where trump again is
calling out mexicans um and umand dehumanizing Mexicans again
(29:06):
in public and fear-mongering Imean he's very deliberate of,
you know, putting situations andparticularly putting Mexicans
and other folks that come hereinto a position to get folks
(29:28):
here in this area and across thecountry to fear the other and
to particularly target Mexicansand criminalize others and
really, I think, make a lot ofthe systems that have been
challenged during the pandemicand during the uprisings, you
(29:51):
know, led by black folks here inthis country and really trying
to counter some of thetreetelling that happened.
But also, you know, some of thechanges in law, some of the
reforms that happened, and youknow, for us and for myself, you
(30:17):
know somebody who's spent over30 years really trying to help
others not just transformthemselves through education and
through community organizing Isee this as something that could
(30:39):
very easily make this countryand this society worse and for
me that is something that isvery real, that's a very real
possibility where you know mygrandfather when he came to work
(31:03):
here he was part of the Braceroprogram and then was deported
through the Bracero program, andI remember him talking about
how they would just go torestaurants and just round up
people and put them in detentioncamps but mostly deport them,
(31:23):
and we know that that's a planthat's in the works right now if
Trump gets elected.
So how do we, as people thatunderstand, where you know, the
natural conclusion of thiscapitalist, racist structure,
(31:44):
that that could happen to a lotof us and obviously the most
palatable place that people thatthat will happen to will be
immigrants and people that areseen as other, and so I think
we're in a very dangerous time.
But I also think that, again,those of us that are targeted
(32:11):
and those of us that have beenworking doing this type of work,
we're also tired, and we'vebeen doing so much we've been
spending so much time fightingand we've been spending so much.
We've been spending so much timefighting and we've been
spending so much time callingout the system and we've been
spending so much time fightingwithin each other that my hope
(32:36):
is that we spend timeunderstanding not only what's
(33:02):
wrong, but also spending sometime and some dedication and get
together with people who aredoing this type of work is see
how they're doing it and seewhat we can learn about how
people are reconnecting withthemselves, what their healing
journey is, what is their pathto um, reconnecting with their
(33:26):
spirit, um, and, and how that isdone in community, um, and, and
being able to provide either uman opening for people to take
that path, connecting them to acommunity that's already
practicing, that's near them, orencouraging people to actually
(33:47):
start their own um community ofpractice, of um, of uh,
centering not just our humanitybut the love that we must have
if we're going to defeat thehate, um and the fear that's out
there.
So for me, this is I think I'min a moment in time where I've
(34:12):
not only felt the harm from thesystems, but from individuals
and institutions, and I justwanted to focus my energy in
what I had to offer, to beingable to connect with people in
as many ways as possible aredoing and see what I could learn
(34:33):
from them, but, moreimportantly, also how other
people uh, what other people canlearn uh, from, uh, from them
and uh, and not give in to allthe negativity, the news, the
(34:54):
rumors, all the toxicity that'sout there and really um, uh,
hear people's stories and theirvoices and get inspiration from
them.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah.
So I feel like what I'm hearingis in this moment that feels
like this very intense spiritualwarfare.
You know and I think it'sreally important for us to get
clear and name things for whatthey are that the antidote to
that is our own spiritualpractice, that being in both a
(35:29):
deep and intense individualpractice, but then also sharing
of that practice collectively ofyou know, how, how do we remain
connected to our spirits andhow can our spiritual practice
guide and inform what we'rebeing called to do in this
moment?
Um, so one of my favoritethings about you, um and there
(35:53):
are many is your capacity to see, um, to envision possibility.
Um, at times and at momentswhere others including myself,
you know are more constrained inour belief in what's possible,
and I think that's why, when youstarted to talk to me about
(36:14):
envisioning the podcast and Iimmediately was like it should
be called Hope Dealer, and youwere like yes, so talk about why
Hope Dealer, and why did thatresonate for you?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah, I mean, the first reason why is because it's
hood, right, and there's somuch that we, there's so much in
hood people that we need to notonly learn from, but frankly,
(36:53):
that that's where a lot of theresistance is.
So I like that, I like the hopedealer, I like the vibe.
I like the vibe and you know,and, and I think it is about a
practice of hope and and it is adiscipline and it is something
(37:15):
that we need to be intentionalabout, making a commitment to
connecting with our spirit andto be able to practice love and
gratitude.
And you know, it's not one ofthose things where I hope things
will get better, but it isabout how can we be intentional
(37:41):
about not only connecting to ourspirit but to also make the
practice be who we are, and thatrequires for me to let some
things go right.
(38:02):
So it's a choice.
It's a very deliberate choiceof practicing hope, because and
then it means you can't peddlein, you know, in hate, and you
can't peddle and this otherstuff that brings people down
and that makes people go againsteach other.
Um, and, and you know, and, and, and it is about, you know, the
(38:24):
dealer part is about reallytrying to see who else you could
connect with and who will, whowill be your tribe, who are the
people that you're going tocommit with, um, uh, to do this
right?
I mean, I think you know you'revery good at this.
It's, um, how can we create acommunity of um, of trust and
(38:47):
love to be able to make magichappen?
Uh, because at the end of theday, that's what I've learned is
that that's where home lies,it's where that magic happens,
between people and amongstpeople.
That it's, you know.
Two of the elements are hope,love and trust, and that's the
(39:11):
dealer part.
It's like I want to be outthere slanging and see who is
going to take some of this goodstuff that we have and be able
to bring people together and Imean, and get high on not only
(39:31):
get high on life, but get highon each other's willingness to
be in community.
Because you know, I mean,that's we're not going to.
I haven't found enlightenmentand my higher self on my own,
(39:52):
and I think that that'ssomething that, intuitively,
I've never had that happen.
But I think sometimes peoplethink that if you do your yoga
and if you practice by yourselfor you do whatever, that that's
where you're going to find yourhigher self and I've never
experienced that.
But it is about being out thereand trying to connect with
(40:14):
people and you know, and there'smany different ways to do that
and just, I'm actually want tobe able.
I mean, I I believe I stillneed to go deeper into my
practice and I want to connectdeeper with people and that's
something that is as um,hopefully, as this podcast and
(40:38):
my work continues, uh, we'reable to find places and spaces
to be able to, for me to be ableto learn more and go deeper
into my practice and go deeperinto my relationships with
people.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah, so who is Hope Dealer for and who are you
hoping is going to tune in?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Well, you know, I'm hoping it's the folks that have
been doing this work on avariety of levels.
You know, I saw our lastelection for mayor and, like
thousands of people, filled withhope of what we could
(41:20):
accomplish and there's a lot ofthings that have been
accomplished in the city.
But there's also a lot ofdisappointments and I've seen a
lot of people now turn negativeand have been not only
disappointed but have been verycritical justifyingly so but I
(41:42):
think, almost like don't want tocontinue the fight to be able
to do this work.
So for me, if I were to pick atarget audience, it would be
those individuals that have beendoing work on a variety of
different levels, not justpolitical, electoral things, but
(42:03):
I've been working, whether it'swith the migrant issues or
whether it's with reparationsand the different areas that we
know and care about, thatthey're able to listen to me and
others and keep their, to knowthat they're not alone in this
(42:26):
work but also to, if they arecontinuing, a practice of hope
or discipline, of hope, thatthey get energized to continue
to do it and then also, you know, again to be encouraged to be
with a community of folks thatthey want to reengage, to teach,
(42:46):
learn and practice thediscipline of love, the
(43:11):
discipline of hope, thedisciplines of belonging.
So it's solidarity that issomething that's not an
individual practice that you paya membership for somewhere, but
that it's a communal practicethat spreads all over the city
(43:31):
and just reconnect people and beable to reengage people in a
way that people are able to seehope.
It's not as a slogan but as apractice.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Me neither, thank you .
Thank you, amor.
I didn't know you were going tobe this good.
Why are you surprised?
I shouldn't be surprised.
I was like, damn, maybe sheshould do it.
Thank you, baby.
Your history book's got it allwrong.
So I come to you with a song In1810, con el gran grito de
(44:17):
pasión se levantaron con razón.
Black and brown fightingtogether on a day I'll always
remember.
Thank you.
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