A Course in Miracles Deep Dive - Chapter 2, Section XI, Paragraph 14 to 15 - Release from Deadlock - Hope Johnson's Wisdom Dialogues

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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Aloha and welcome to ACIM Deep Dive with Hope Johnson
.
Today we are in Chapter 2.
This is the complete andannotated edition.
It's a purplish book.
You do not need to have thatbook to do this with me, but if
you want to, it's in that book.
It's chapter two and it'ssection 11.

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That's Roman numeral 11.
And we're starting today onparagraph 14.
So let's just do a little tunein a little prayer.
Invite Jesus into our midst forthis, yeah, thank you to

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everyone who's here with us nowand everyone who's listening in
the now that we call later fromthis point.
Thank you, jesus, we love you.
Thank you for being with usthis point.
Thank you, jesus, we love you.
Thank you for being with us.
Thank you for this beautifulchanneling and thank you for
helping us interpret it in thelight of truth.

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Yay, amen.
My prayer is always gratitude.
I love that because it's justit, recognizing that there's no
issue, nothing's gone wrong,everything is exactly as it
should be.
Thank you, thanks for joiningon Substack 2.

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Thank you, wayne and Gary, Ilove you.
Okay, let's get to it.
So, paragraph 14, sentence oneJesus is talking about a
deadlock here.
Okay, so in the pages leadingup to this sentence, jesus is

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describing a conflict in themind, he's calling a deadlock,
and that arises when the mindbelieves both truth and illusion
at the same time.
Okay, so here's what the splitis like.
There's the power of creation,which is real, it's of God and
it's eternal, and then there'sbelief in miscreation, which

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doesn't have any effects butseems to generate fear and
distortion.
You like the word seems to,seems to generate fear and
distortion.
These things are not possibleactually.
Okay, so when both of these areheld as if they can coexist,

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the mind is caught in this stateof paralysis.
Okay, it's unable to movetoward the truth because it's
holding both of these things asif they're.
They're both two realities Oneis a reality, one is not a
reality.
Okay, so it's like you're.

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It's like you're unable to movetoward the truth, but you're
also unable to sustain illusion.
It's a paralysis.
This is what Jesus is callingdeadlock.
Okay, the first deadlock.
Earlier in this section, heoutlined a form of deadlock, he
said, when the mind accepts thepower of fear while also

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believing in the power of love,since they both can't be true.
Trying to honor both leaves themind unable to proceed in
either direction.
See, fear appears to have power.
See, fear appears to have power, but that quote power is only

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in the mind's misappliedcreative energy, and that's only
now Misapplied creative energy.
Okay, so now to the firstsentence.
You know, I just gave that as abackground about this deadlock,
because he's talking about thisIn the first sentence.
In paragraph 14, it says asimilar deadlock occurs when

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both the power of creation andof miscreation coexist.
So creation is your realfunction in God.
Your real function in God isextending love, truth and
reality.
That's the real function in God.
Your real function in God isextending love, truth and
reality.
That's the real function in God.
Miscreation is the mind's beliefthat it can make, unlike God,

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illusions, fear, attack,separation.
When you try to make both ofthose true at once, it's like
you're locked in this doubleallegiance.
You ever read that verse in theBible about the person trying
to ride two horses?
It's kind of like that.

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So the result is this sense ofit's, just like this ongoing
sense of conflict, guilt, strain.
It feels like you're stuckbecause it's like neither one of
them is working for you.
Truth isn't working, illusionisn't working because it's
trying, the ego is trying tohold both of them at the same
time, as if they can coexist.

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Okay, so the power of creationis something that never leaves
you.
That's God's gift, that's theway God created you, and you
know it says in A Course inMiracles.
So many times it's in so manyof the lessons you are as God
created you.
That's all.

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The world is always going totry to convince you that you got
somewhere to go to be.
As God created you.
You got to do somethingdifferent.
You're offending someone insome way, and it's as if as soon
as no one's offended, you'rethere as soon as no one's
offended by you.

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You made it, you made it so.
So the power to miscreate isnot a real power at all.
It's a power that we make up.
Okay, so when you believe in it, it totally seems to operate,

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not just in yourself but inother people, and you know it's
like when you believemiscreation is possible, you're
even going to try to defend yourposition that other people are
miscreating.
Isn't that so fun?
That's a good one.
And if you believe inmiscreation, when people reflect

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to you that you're miscreating,you're going to believe them
Right?
Oh, oh shit, they caught memiscreating.
Guess I got to change somethingRight.
I guess I got to changesomething right.

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So the Holy Spirit resolves thisby just showing that
miscreation has no real effectsand miscreation is really.
It's believing that you canmiscreate.
That's really what it is.
It's belief in sin.
It's belief that sin ispossible for you.
But look how this has to gocompletely across the board, for
every person, every situation.
If you want to see that you'reincapable of miscreation, you

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got to extend that.
That has to be extended allacross the board, to everyone in
your past, to everyone you know.
Everyone in your past is nowwhatever anyone seems to be,
even a corporation that seems tobe doing it wrong, a political
figure that seems to be doing itwrong.
You got to be willing to extendthat to every single part of

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creation.
That miscreation isn't possiblebefore you can see it in
yourself and then that'llresolve all conflict in your
mind.
That's living the happy dream,because it's really just
circular, believing that youmiscreated and you're going to
get better.
See that You're bound to do itagain.
You can't help it.
I mean bound as in chained byyour own volition to keep doing

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it again.
At some point you're going tojust recognize that that's not
even possible.
I'm having a dream.
I'm having a dream thatmiscreation is possible.
No one can miscreate, includingmyself.
So it has no real effects.
And this recognition, ignition,frees the mind to align with

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only creation, only Right.
This is the duality that wethink there's light and dark.
We think there's creation andmiscreation.
We think there's I am andbecoming at the same time.
See, all right, so let's go.

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Let me check on you guys.
All right, doing good, you'realways doing awesome.
I'm just checking if you gotany hands or any comments.
Oh, there's thomas.
Yes, my love.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
So what?
Two words come up, but let'sjust do one at a time.
So the word appropriate came up.
Yes, and I get caught by that.
I think things are eitherappropriate or not appropriate I
love it I know what you'resaying.
There's no such thing asappropriate, and if you're not
liking what's going on in frontof you, you have the total
choice of leaving.
So you don't need to changesomebody by telling them that's

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not appropriate.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
That's right, yep, yep.
So what Thomas is talking aboutthere's no like this is an ego
assessment saying that any kindof behavior or anything is
appropriate or inappropriate.
Right, this is one of thosethings that says it's possible
to miscreate.
Both of those words reallydon't make any sense in reality,

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because all behavior is aneffect, anyways, of thinking and
your interpretation of anotherperson's behavior is also an
effect of your thinking.
We don't see them as they are.
We don't see anyone as they areright, and when we think of

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words yes, thank you, we seethem as we are right, yeah, or
as we believe we are really.
So even thinking in these kindsof terms is like what's
appropriate, what'sinappropriate.
That's thinking with the ego.
See, for me it's gratitude.
It goes to gratitude when Iperceive something and I don't

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get the sense that anything'sinappropriate.
I get the sense more like, hmm,do I want that or not?
And I'll just look at it withthe Holy Spirit and be looking
at it with the Holy Spirit andknowing that, wherever I find
myself in, whatever situation,whatever thoughts are arising,

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those are just perfect for me toexpress what's true.
This is the means I've beengiven, this is the role that I
find myself in, I bless myselfand I bless all of my brothers,
right?
So it's not like someone says,well, here's what I'm going to
do to you, you know, I'm goingto, I'm going to call the cops

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on you.
Let's say, or something likethat, and it's like OK, well,
maybe I get the sense.
I don't particularly want themto call the cops on me.
Who knows what I'm doing?
Maybe I'm smoking weed whereI'm not supposed to be, you know
.
But it's like but, but it'slike I.
I honor that.
Whatever it is that arises andwhatever it is that they feel
like they need to do, it'shonored.

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It's just like anything thatarises in my field, anything
anyone feels like they need todo or say or anything like that.
It's like.
I know I can handle it becauseI made it up anyways, and it's
the means for expressing love.
So, yes, nothing is appropriateor inappropriate.

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That definitely speaks to guilt.
So sentence two this isexperienced as conflict only
because the individual feels asif both were occurring at the
same level.

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Okay, so the conflict that it'stalking about, this is
experienced as conflict.
The conflict isn't between realpowers.
Creation is real, miscreationis not real.
That's what it's talking about,but the individual, it says,
but the individual.

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Or because the individual, themind, identified with separation
, feels as though both areequally real and operating at
the same level.
So this is what it says in thetext Because the individual
feels as if both were occurringat the same level.

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That's a false equivalence.
It makes an experience ofconflict an experience of
conflict.
That's the false equivalentthat these are at the same level
.
So the key point here is that ifcreation and miscreation were
actually on the same level,right, god would be opposed, god

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would be dualistic, god wouldbe changeable.
This is impossible.
The illusion is not on the samelevel as God.
The perception of conflictcomes from trying to equate
God's reality, which is creation, with the ego's illusion,
miscreation.
So here's the practicality ofit.

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So here's the practicality ofit.
When we're feeling any sense ofconflict, guilt or any sense of
confusion, let's say the sensewe've been inappropriate or
we've perceived someone elsebeing inappropriate, it's
because we've placed illusion onthe same level as truth.
So here's an example I want totrust God, but I also think I

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have to protect myself from loss.
I want to trust God, but italso seems like I have to
control someone else's behaviorright, so it's placing them on
the same level.
So the conflict comes fromtreating the two thought systems
as if they're both validoptions, like I can choose God

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or I can chooseself-preservation,
self-protection right, as ifthese are like on the same level
.
One is totally untrue, it justtakes you into dreaming and one
reveals the joy and the lightthat you are to yourself, to
yourself.
So the Holy Spirit resolves usby, resolves this whole conflict

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, by reminding us this is theHoly Spirit's mind that says
only creation is real, onlycreation is real, only creation
is real.
Also says miscreation has notrue effects, these are not in
competition, there's nocompetition.
Yay, yay, everyone.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Aloha Lynn, I love you.
That's right.
That's what I just got is evenby feeling it as a problem.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
I'm identifying with separation.
That's right, you got it sosimple.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
At that moment, then you need to go right to Lord.
You're listening, that's real.
This isn't real.
I don't need to spend my timeon that and you upsetaring.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
That is such a good point right there.
So what Thomas is talking aboutnow is, whenever there's any
sense that anything is wrong,the self is wrong, anyone else
is wrong, anything like that.
You do not need to even spendany time on it, you don't need
to be evaluating it.
How can I get better?
How can I get a better?

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For instance, how can I getsomeone to have a better
perception of me?
I want them to see me, I wantthem to understand me, anything
like that.
You don't need to spend anytime on that at all.
All the right people that youneed to see you and not see you,
and whatever, are arisingperfectly for the awakening of

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the mind.
It's kind of like your task isto see it all as perfect for the
undoing and not as anythingelse, not as anything limited,
yourself and all others.
So hooray, thank you, thomas.
Okay, sentence three.

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He believes in what he hasmiscreated in his own
unconscious and he naturallybelieves it is real because he
made it.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
That's so ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Thank you, I know, isn't it so good?
I love how Jesus puts it insuch a ridiculous term like this
.
So the mind is believing in itsown illusion.
And the thing is, the mind isalso saying it's not an illusion

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, it's the truth, it's reallyhappening.
But first before that, it'sbelieving in its own illusion,
strong enough to make it as ifit's just being thrust upon it,
like, look, it looks like youwere born into a world that was
already here when you busted outof your mom's womb, right, like

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it was already here.
It wasn't.
You're actually offering it asyou go along, but first, before
you're even having thatexperience of coming out into
the world, you're making thethought of separation so true to
you that you could actuallybelieve that this could happen

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and make it and make it seemreally real.
So, even though they're notreal, these illusions are super
convincing because the mindthinks I made this, therefore it
must exist.
That speaks to creation,because when you take the

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thought of separation away, allof your creations not only exist
, they're eternal, right Withthe thought of separation, then
you're dreaming that you madesomething, though, because with
the thought of separation there,you're just dreaming.
You can't be creating anything.
I made this.
This is why this world seems soreal.
I made this, for instance.

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I made these.
Someone brought up forever warsto me today.
I made these forever wars.
Therefore, they must exist.
They're really going on outthere.
Gosh, the world out there is soscary, I'm authoring it the
whole time.
It's great.

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So this is the ego's logic thatcreation and miscreation can
have equal standing.
You know, once you go on thespiritual path and you're aware
of creation, the ego's like yeah, but I still have to live in
this world.
Really, isn't the world livingin you, though?
Isn't the world actually livingin you?

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And you know, this is how ACourse in Miracles is actually
going toward.
You can actually see how theworld is living in you, and you
can be completely at peace withit and at one with it, in a way
where you're aware that it's notspeaking to anything.

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True, it's really.
You know, that tiny mad ideathat separation is possible, and
we forgot to laugh.
Each of these ends in laughter,each of these threads of
illusion.
So the unconscious here?

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So it talks about theunconscious.
He believes in what he hasmiscreated in his own
unconscious.
This is referring to arepository of denied guilt, the
ego's favorite, the unconscious.
We talked about this earlierand earlier.

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Acim deep dives about how theissue is that the mind is
unwatched because you're afraidof what you're going to find
there.
It's an unwatched mind, thisrepository of denied guilt.
So, because of denying guilt,we're projecting it outward as

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if someone, something, is doingthings wrong and imposing it on
us.
This is how we keep it denied,by defending the idea that what
we see that shouldn't be there,that shouldn't be the way it is,
is actually outside of itself,right?

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yes, he loves, he loves this, I love it.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Well, it's really an interesting concept.
If I'm the creator of something, I'm going to defend it.
Yes, because I create a productRight.
Then I'm going to say no, itworks like this, it's really a
good product.
My defending is I made it.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
So, again, if I made this illusion, if I made this
world Right, of course I'm goingto defend it.
Yes, because it it.
Yes, it's my creation.
Yes, that's like like it's mine, so don't try to mess with it.
Yeah, but I'm getting whatyou're saying.
If we can see it for what it is, we're just playing it.
Nothing's really mine to defendyes and I didn't really create

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it either no, you didn't.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
You made it up and see that the thing about it
being make believe it's justlike a nighttime dream.
When you wake up, it's a poofand see, even while we're still
perceiving with our body'ssenses as if things are separate
, like you guys are sitting overthere and I'm sitting over here
, you can live the happy dreamthrough the recognition that you

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don't want to defend illusionsanymore and you don't have to.
It's your right to not defendthese illusions.
It's your right to, no matterwhat you're getting a perception
of, no matter what body senseis reacting to it, that you're
willing to look through it andrecognize the Son of God and God

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in everything.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
That's the truth.
It's like how you're saying it,it depends on the illusion.
That just doesn't make sense.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Depends on the truth.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Which means we need to know our identity, because
that would be the truth, that'swhat we are.
If we come from that place,then yeah, there's nothing.
We can just be it, but, likeyou were saying, it's both at
the same time.
That's where it gets confusing.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
That's where it gets confusing, because it's not both
.
This is what Jesus is talkingabout the level confusion.
So God's will and creation isat one level and ego, illusion,
is at another level.
When you try to make them even,it's as if you can really
choose one or the other.

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The reason why in A Course inMiracles it says when you choose
illusion, nothing is happening.
Your mind is blank.
See, that's talking about thoselevels, the level confusion.
When you think they're on thesame level, it's as if it's
equal.
To choose one or the other,it's not equal.
One's creation, one's, totallynothing.

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And it doesn't matter.
It has no effects.
So you cannot get it wrong.
All you can do is waste time,which isn't right or wrong.
And the reason why Jesus callsit, what's that?
That's the deadlock, right,that's the deadlock.
The reason why Jesus calls itwhat's that?
That's the deadlock, right,that's the deadlock.
The reason why Jesus calls itwasting time?

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Because in that moment you'renot using your life to collapse
time.
So Jesus would have you usetime specifically for collapsing
time.
And if you're doing anythingelse with it, he's saying you're
wasting time because you'reprojecting more time in which
you need more lifetimes, birthand death to play it out Right,

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which you really don't want.
You want to go to God as fastas possible.
You want to use the life forcollapsing time.
So, hooray, all right.
So, hooray, all right.
So the, the denied guilt, therepository of denied guilt,

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that's the part of the mindwhere the belief in separation
is buried, okay, and that'sthat's where all of the
projections arise.
So look, as long as we'reperceiving as a body, other
bodies we're perceiving thatwe're subject to, we're going to

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perceive this guilt coming up.
We don't have to identify it.
We could have a good-ass timewith it.
The whole thing is, we forgotto laugh.
We forgot to laugh.
That's all it is.
It's like let it come up intothe light of truth, like even
the sense, like, oh my God, thisperson is totally taking

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advantage of me right now.
Let's say that it's coming upso you can laugh about it.
That's impossible.
It's only coming up because youthought it was possible.
You thought it was possible foryou to take advantage of
someone and you thought it waspossible for someone else to
take advantage of you.
This is your opportunity tolaugh.

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What I love is I trust mybrothers, who are one with me.
That's one of the ACIM lessonsof the day, one of my favorite
ones.
You know, people ask me onefriend saw another friend just
grab me and he's a large dudeand you know she gets a sense
that he has a big sexual energyand he just like picks me up and

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I'm small compared to him andhe's like holding me like that
and I'm laughing and then heputs me down and she's like how
can you handle that strongsexual energy?
And I'm like right out of mymouth, right?
I mean I trust my brothers, whoare one with me.
It's not like I'm trying to.
I'm trying to cover it up.

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Yes, I notice it.
Yes, I feel it.
Yes, there's a sense of oh fuck, what is he doing right now?
And then I trust my brothers,who are one with me.
I'm in command of all.
I'm in command of all things.
He actually can't do somethingto me that I don't want him to
do.
That's what I know.
It's like, you know, someonewas asking me when I was in

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Mexico walking down the streetat one in the morning what are
you going to do if someone?

Speaker 1 (27:52):
just pops out and grabs you and I go.
You know the first thing that?

Speaker 2 (27:55):
comes to mind is.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
I'm just going to wrap my arms and legs around
them.
Thank you for being here.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Because it's like we're having a.
We're having a dream.
You know I've had an irs agent.
Ask me are you afraid of me?
You know she's coming in for anaudit and and, and I go.
No, I'm not afraid of you,because you can't give me
anything I don't need right,including recommending jail for
taking so many write-offs.
Apparently, that's not possible.

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You can take all the write-offsyou want, just little IRS
advice.
By the way, I have no authorityto give that advice.
Okay, so the unconscious, whichis that repository of guilt?

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Right, it projects miscreationsoutward.
Like there's always a problemfor this guy.
Right, there's always a problem.
That's what I noticed.
I start looking as I'm movingaround.
It seems like there's always acomplaint will come up, like
where I'm living.
It's just not perfect in someway, like it'll always pop up
with something, and then myreally fun job in that is to

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perceive what it is and have alaugh at it.
One of them was when it seemedlike I was in prison.
Where I was living, there werebars in the windows and also the
landlords were kind of likeparents, like they're monitoring
all the people that come in.
One chick spends a night withme, like nights in a row and
then they want her ID and stufflike that.

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So I get the sense.
I just get a sense Wow, thisfeels like prison.
That's exactly it.
That's what I'm talking about.
That's where it is.
I get the sense that this issomething that's offensive,
let's say inappropriate,anything like that.
It's like that's where it is.
That's where the laughter comesin, right in the minutia of the

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experience.
Any kind of idea that mylandlords are doing it wrong
just gets brought to the truthand it's met with gratitude.
These people are met withgratitude.
Right, and the story?
You know the stories that comeup.
They're hilarious, they're funfor laughing about.
That's really what they're for.
So all right.

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So the belief in authorshipapart from God is the root error
.
The ego's argument is if I madeit, it must be real.
But this confuses making, whichis illusory, with creating,
which is real.
Only God creates reality andthen we're given the authority

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to create like God.
We're not given authority tomake illusions.
We give that authority toourselves and that's why it's a
dream.
So the belief that makingequals and creating is what's
sustaining the conflict.
These are not equals.
One's real and one's anillusion.
So, practically noticing whenyou feel something disturbing

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like this is actually happeningto me.
This is an issue that's the egosaying I made it, therefore it
must be real.
So, instead of believing whatyou made is real, you can choose
to recognize that because youmade it apart from God.
How do you know?
If you made it apart from God,it doesn't feel good, she knows,

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and this is why we can see thiscontrast.
That's why that's why you knowLiz.
Yeah, so I just met Liz andshe's like I picked up A Course
in Miracles in April and then Ihaven't suffered since then.
A Course in Miracles in April,and then I haven't suffered
since then, and really, inreality, you have never suffered

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at all.
It's kind of like it just cluesyour mind into who is suffering
what, what's going on, right?
So it's like because you madeit apart from God, meaning it
doesn't feel good, it can't bereal.
Sometimes I say that to peopleand they're like what, what I'm
like?
If you don't like it, it's notreal.

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Like actually, like actuallyfactually.
If you don't like it, it's notactually real.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
That's even simpler.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Is that just so simple?
Yeah, it must not be real.
I'm having a dream so you cancome back to reality.
You can get a differentinterpretation that brings you
back to reality.
Okay, so this is loosening thegrip of fear and restoring your
awareness to the real choicethat you have.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
So sentence four?
Okay, so sentence four.
He thus places himself in aposition where the fearful
becomes real.
So by believing in what he hasmiscreated, anything that's
giving you an upset, feelinglike even that there is war,

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let's say, for instance, that'syou giving reality to fear.
There is, if you don't like it.
Do you like war?
You think about it, see how itfeels.
You like it If you, you know,you say I don't like that.
Why can't people just get along?
It must not be real, you'vemade it up.
So the individual, the one thatthinks that they're a reality,

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apart from God, gives reality tofear.
This is not you.
It's not because fear is real,it's because the mind is
invested in it with belief andauthority.
Authority meaning underneaththe surface, your mind is going
I made it, so it must be real,right.

(33:44):
But then it's going I didn'tmake it, this is put on me, but
underneath that it's theauthority, it's that authorship
that wants to defend it.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
The mind, in effect, is saying this has power over me
, right, yes, this is reallydisturbing, because I've spent
my whole life trying to behonest about my fear, and then

(34:16):
because being honest at leastI'm not hiding it, and then it
goes back to childhood, it goesback to wounds and I make that
real.
So following fear isn't reallythe right thing to do.
Following fear just isfollowing the illusion.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Following fear is following the illusion.
Right and see, right.
See, the ego wants you to spenda lot of time chasing fear.
There's really nothing to do,so it gives the ego nothing to
do.
There's nothing to chase here.
The fear is fear that you'reprojecting right now.
There's only now, and you'reholding the thought of

(34:51):
separation now.
Remember some of our previousdeep dives where Jesus is
talking about Freud and allthose other guys, how they
missed the mark because theywere chasing this thing
backwards in time as if itoriginated in time.
It did not originate in time,it originated outside of time.
And that's now where you'repropping up the sense of

(35:12):
separation and you want to bereleased of it now, right, but
the ego has a plan for you to gothrough certain steps, and one
of them that people get caughtup with is closure, wanting
closure, right.
And so it's like I can't feelokay unless that person reflects
to me that we're okay.

(35:34):
It's like we don't need anotherperson's reflection really to
see that we're okay, to see thatwe're more than okay.
We're the holy, sinless Son ofGod, right, that he loves very
much, and to be in His embraceis not to be concerned with any

(35:56):
manifestation that you get ofsomeone else making you okay.
Okay, I approve of you, Iapprove of you.
Actually, you can say in thiscase, perceiving disapproval can
be more potent than perceivingapproval, because perceiving
disapproval, you can see whatyou're making, feel what you're

(36:17):
feeling by perceiving thatdisapproval and bring it to the
truth.
Right, you just notice, justnotice, wow, I'm making them
disapprove of me.
So I can get this feeling rightnow.
And it's not even true.
God is god more than approvesof me.
I'm just like god.
I'm created in his image.
I'm created perfect.

(36:38):
So the mind is, in effect,saying this has power over me.
So that makes a fear, thefearful, what's fearful to the
mind, seem real in experience,even though it's in truth.
It's totally nothing.
It's.

(36:59):
It seems real in experience.
Well, a lot of things whatpeople like to say is it's real,
like to validate feelings thatare apart from God.
Actually, they're not real,those feelings apart from God.
They're speaking to unreality.
And then people go well, isn'tthe experience real?

(37:22):
No, not an experience of fear,it's not real.
You're dreaming.
It's not a real thing.
It's not a reality.
Anything seems to bethreatening, anything seems to
be wrong.
That is not real.
So this is how projection works.
Whatever was denied in theunconscious fear, attack, guilt

(37:44):
it gets projected outward andthen perceived as if it's
objectively real.
So then the mind is reacting toits own miscreations,
forgetting it's the author.
And that's how the mind keepsforgetting that it's the author,
by projecting it outward, likeonce I get better, once I become

(38:06):
a better person, people aregoing to like me more, for
instance.
So then they're striving tobecome this better person while
keeping all these things in theunconscious right.
There is really no betterperson than you can be, because
you're the perfect manifestationof everything that needs to be

(38:31):
seen.
Now this is being brought tolight right now.
This is perfect, one thing youcan totally adopt, if you like.
I heard this from anotherteacher named Sage, and it was
just simply I love that aboutmyself.
I love that about myself.

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It's like leaving it in God'shands.
Let God, let the Holy Spirit,let Jesus direct how this image
is used for awakening the mindand trust that it's being used
perfectly all the time.
So nothing fearful exists inGod's creation, and the only way

(39:16):
the fearful ever becomes realto you quotes becomes real
because it's to you only it'snot real is by assigning reality
to illusion.
So this is, uh, why acimrepeats projection makes
perception.
I want it this way.

(39:37):
Yeah, and, and you know it'slike here.
Here's the thing you know Lizshared to suffer when it comes
to any interpretation thatarises in my mind or any
perception or anything like that.
When I recognize I want it thisway, I take on what the Holy
Spirit would have me do with it,which is extend love, true

(40:02):
forgiveness.
Right, I want it this way.
And what I think is happeningisn't happening.
What I thought happened didn'thappen.
What I thought they did, theydidn't do.
This is how I want it.
Fear doesn't really exist.
It's just a choice tomisperceive.

(40:23):
It's a choice.
So anytime anything fearfularises, guilt, anything like
that am I treating somethingfearful as if it's real?
Really simple like that?
Am I treating something fearfulas if it's real?
Then you can choose again.
Recognize that the fear is justan idol.

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It's not a fact that you haveto obey.
This returns the mind straightto peace because it's
withdrawing any belief fromwhat's unreal, which is what
Jesus is calling miscreation.
Calling miscreation, yay.

(41:12):
So sentence five, paragraph 14,nothing but level confusion can
result.
As long as this belief is heldin any form.
This belief is the belief thatmiscreation is real and coexists
with creation.
This belief, oh the sentencenothing but level confusion.
This is a concept a lot in ACourse in Miracles.

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Nothing but level confusion canresult as long as this belief
is held in any form.
Belief is held in any form,this belief being that
miscreation is real and coexistswith creation, nothing but
level confusion can result.
While that's going on, so peaceis.

(41:55):
In this case, peace would onlybe theoretical because it's
holding this as if they're twosides of the same coin.
Right, it's not like that.
When the mind holds this belief, it confuses the levels.
It places unreal miscreation,fear, on the same level as

(42:18):
creation and love.
They're not on the same level.
This is called level confusion.
This is a major theme in ACourse in Miracles.
And what do I get?
The fun perception of Peoplewho have studied A Course in
Miracles for many, many yearsand do not know that yet.

(42:41):
So if you're listening yearsand do not know that yet.
So if you're listening, maybeit's time to know this now and
be free.
It's so fun.
Level confusion is the sourceof nearly all suffering.

(43:03):
Treating illusions as ifthey're on par with the truth,
assuming that what happens inthe world can have real effects.
Assuming that it can have realeffects, there's nothing.
Nothing to fix, nothing tochange.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yes, I remember hearing something similar to
this If I have even this muchillusion, I am not in the truth
and I want to.
Whoa, I'm going to forgiveevery moment, every judgment,
every moment.
I'm forgiving this muchresentment of my first boyfriend

(43:46):
.
Right, like this, like that'swhat I'm kind of like.
It wipes out everything.
That's right.
Oh, I'm thinking I can holdboth.
I'm 90% light.
I used to say, and I got 10here.
No, no, this 10's running theship.
So I was like, oh, that didn'tmake me.
And I forgave everything, yes,immediately, in the present
moment.
No, no, this 10's running theship.
So I was like, oh, that didn'tmake me nice forgave everything

(44:06):
immediately in the presentmoment.
Yes, that's it.
Yes, you understand Totally.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
She's totally.
Yes, liz is saying it.
I don't know if you guys canhear Liz, but she's talking
about how, if you just hold onesliver of a judgment, something
unforgiven, you're not going tofeel at peace.
You're not going to know that,like I've been I've been sharing
with, uh, with Thomas lately inour conversations I'm like I am

(44:33):
an orgasm.
You know, he was sharing withme.
It feels so orgasmic when wejust have a hug and I'm like
that's because I am an orgasm.
I basically am that.
Yeah, liz knows it, she'slaughing right along with me,

(44:57):
that's right.
Yeah, you know what.
And for me, yeah, it's blocking, yeah.
And here's the thing, like, aslong as we're perceiving a sense
of a body and here's the funthing, I find this to be really
fun Like it's popping up as atemptation and you're taking it
as a blessing it becomes like,it becomes like a prayer.

(45:20):
Every little misperception,every little, uh, whatever, yes,
every, every little instantwhere it looks like something
should be different, sosomething's wrong, you know, uh,
that thing over there on thecounter is out of place.
Let's say like, yeah, yeah, uh,why does that person, uh,

(45:42):
person, burp so loud?
Anything, yeah.
And you know, in seeing it allas God.
This is what is talked about asthe happy dream too.
It's like we're really servingour function, we're really
collapsing time and extendingtrue forgiveness.
We're really collapsing timeand extending true forgiveness

(46:03):
when we're willing to see thesethings.
Look right on them, Don't tryto cover them up, but look
straight at them and go.
That is hilarious.
That is where I forgot to laugh.
You know what?
I'm bringing it back to thetruth by laughing, with laughter
, with recognizing that it's forme and it's perfect for me.

(46:25):
And the thing is, it's like allthe sons of God that present
anything that, especially if itseems to be something you, let's
say, don't want, all that doesis serve to improve your bond in
love.
It improves your bond in love.
There's no need for any apology.

(46:46):
No one ever needs to give anapology.
You're not waiting for anapology, you're using it to bond
more deeply in love.
And that's not a rule formyself to say.
I'm never going to apologize.
I'm listening to the HolySpirit.
If something that looks likeI'm sorry or I apologize needs
to come out of my mouth or inwriting, that's fine, but in my

(47:09):
body's energy field, I amunapologetically elevated in
spirit, see and willing to givewhatever's necessary to the
moment.
Extending love.
It's what it's all about and itjust jazzes me up.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
It's really good.
I love you're adding thelaughter because, yes, if you do
have a feeling of fear orsomething or I don't feel, well,
I don't want to bypass it, butI love like laughter is getting
it out.
Yes, that's your way.
And so that you know I may take, I take 10 breaths now.
I need to feel.

(47:52):
If not, I'm handing this to theHoly Spirit.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
In my body.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
I see.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
An energetic thing.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
That's how, but I just love your instant laughter.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Yeah, well, one thing that we've been talking about,
thomas and I, is pass through.
So it's like, you know, it'snot like we're trying to get rid
of any upset energy.
It's allowing our bodies, ourbody's energy field.
It's an energy field, right,it's not really solid to be so
transparent that any thought,feeling or whatever the

(48:25):
energetic of it is allowed tojust pass through and basically
be purified through thisopenness, right?
So one, also one theme orthread that goes through A
Course in Miracles is about weforgot to laugh, and also about
how this world will end inlaughter.
Right, it'll actually end inlaughter.

(48:49):
And you know, like one post thatI did on Facebook I think it
was yesterday it's like feelingjudged is an effect of accepting
instead of laughing at the ideathat judgment is possible, see,
instead of laughing at the ideathat judgment is possible, see.
Say that again, feeling judgeis the effect of accepting

(49:09):
rather than laughing at the ideathat judgment is possible, see.
So a major theme is we forgotto laugh, and that's why Jesus
is saying the world will end inlaughter.
Yeah, the ego hates laughter.
The ego loves seriousness.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Laughed till about two years ago.
That's how serious I was.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Wow, she never laughed till like two years ago
and she seems really good at italready.
That's awesome.
That's a testament to whatmiracles do, right?
She never laughed till twoyears ago and boom.
So it doesn't matter.
Time is an illusion, time isreally an illusion.

(49:54):
And here's what I see with myfriends who have been on A
Course in Miracles for a whileand they developed a certain way
of doing it right.
They developed a certain way ofdoing it and they developed a
certain way of doing it right.
They developed a certain way ofdoing it and you know, you can
say that it's not reallybringing them to the happy dream
the way they've been doing itright.
So now it's a matter of openingup to seeing this different,

(50:15):
more like with beginner's eyes.
Seeing it with beginner's eyesnow, because this beginner right
here just started in April, isnot experiencing herself as
being any little bit of, let'ssay, delusional.
What's delusional is not me, itdoes not touch me, it doesn't.

(50:39):
What suffers doesn't touch me.
And when you, you know, know,when you see that little, it's
like a little pivot, then that'sit, you're done, you're in the
happy dream, you're done, youknow it's like, it's like you're
done.
Uh, you're done learninglessons.
You're just in the happy dreamand everything is unfolding for

(50:59):
you.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Yeah innocence is how I see innocence, that's right
that childlike joy I feel yeah,childlike joy and innocence
before.
Yes, all the perceived orillusion of trauma happen
illusion of traumas.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Yes, I love it.
Yes, yeah, before any illusionof trauma arises, you already
know your innocence.
So it's like you just bringthat illusion of trauma to what
it is the truth.
So fun, okay.
Spirit and illusion do notoperate on the same level.

(51:37):
Confusing levels makes theimpossible seem possible.
You know why Jesus keeps onrepeating this Because we're not
fucking getting it for the mostpart.
You know why Jesus keeps onrepeating this Because we're not
fucking getting it for the mostpart.
That's why he keeps repeatingit.
He's talking in this thing and,of course, in miracles.
He's channeling through Helenand talking to Helen and Bill OK
, both psychologists that are,you know.
He's saying in some of theearly ones this is why I'm

(51:59):
repeating it over and over againyou guys are not really
listening, you're not reallygetting what this is saying.
It's making it so simple foryou.
It's making it so simple foryou to just live in the happy
dream.
So level confusion, making theimpossible seem possible that
you can be harmed, guilty orfearful, or inappropriate also.

(52:29):
Also, it's another one, evenjudgmental, that you could be
judgmental, right, that'simpossible.
You can't be judged orjudgmental.
It's just not laughing at andtaking seriously the thought
that judgment is possible.
See, so practically noticingwhen you feel again guilty,
afraid, conflicted.
That's a signal that you'reconfusing levels.

(52:53):
It's a signal right there.
Example if this relationshipends, I'll lose love.
Okay, that's level confusion.
That's mistaking the form.
Relationship for content, whichis love.
Love is eternal.
Okay, relationship is a form ina dream.

(53:13):
Content is love, love iseternal.
The relationship in the dreamform can be lost Apparently.
People seem to pass away stufflike that.
One thing that people say allthe time is just so common, like
when someone passes away, thesurvivors apparently lost

(53:34):
someone.
There's no loss.
In reality, there's really noloss because love is eternal.
Love is eternal.
So healing comes by remembering.
Creation can't be touched bymiscreation, because love truly
can't be undone.
So you guys have any questions?

(53:55):
Thank you for joining.
I love you guys over.
I see you on Substack.
Feel free to put any commentsthere and if you're on Zoom, you
can raise your hand to talk tome if you want to.
You're just having a good asstime listening.
I love that too.
All right, we're on to thesecond paragraph of today.
Well, you have something it'salong.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
That list of things is I had an issue recently where
I felt sensitive and I feltlike something you said.
I felt like a jab or felt, andI remember going right to my
growing up my dad picked on me.
I'm sensitive to people pickingon me, and that's just making
the dream real, right.
So I guess what I'm guessingright now is when I feel that

(54:38):
burning sensation yes, just takea couple seconds to feel that,
so I know it's.
I ran away from it and thenrecognize that it can't be real
because it belongs to, like whatyou're saying, miscreation.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Miscreation, right, yeah, so what?
Thomas is talking aboutsomething that I was joking
around with him earlier.
He took that to be a jab at him, right, and so we were having a
really great conversation aboutit and he was saying I guess
I'm sensitive because my dadused to make fun of me and and I

(55:10):
and so I brought back thelessons that we've been doing,
what we've been going over.
It's not sensitive, becauseanything originated in time.
This is something that's beingprojected right now, so you
can't go with it.
You can't go with the laughter,and the laughter that I'm
presenting can actually give youopportunities to laugh at the

(55:33):
idea that you've done somethingwrong.
That's what makes it seem likea jab.
It's as if, oh, oh, guilty,I've done something wrong, right
, and then someone's making funof you.
So here's how it is in myexperience whenever it seems
like someone's making fun of me,first I'm super grateful for

(55:53):
the opportunity and I can bevery self-effacing, so that's
really fun too.
I was like, yeah, you know.
It's like okay, yeah, awesome,let's go with that.
You know, it's been really funto play like that, to play like
that in the field.
I've had people make fun of mefor being on A Course in

(56:16):
Miracles.
People go well, geez, you soundjust like A Course in Miracles
and I'm like I am A Course inMiracles.
How about that?
I wrote that, fucker.
Or or do you even hear yourself?
You sound like a fucking idiot.

(56:37):
You don't have to convince meme right.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Can I comment because I've been there for years?
So I is it.
Can you help support me?
And these are my terms.
He's in that moment of thatsensitivity.
So he has a story that he'ssensitive, that his ego loves.
So then he'll trace it back tohis dad, which we've been taught
in inner child work and all ofthose modalities that keep us in
a story.
So then your ego could say,yeah, it's validated, because my
dad did that, and then you kindof ended that there and that's

(57:15):
your story and identity, thatyou're sensitive, no more.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Yeah.
And when you say it neverhappened, my mind says, no, was
there, but I'm making it real.
Is is the issue.
I could laugh at the wholescenario, the whole freaking
childhood thing.
It doesn't have to be realright and I'm making it when I
make it real.
It's uncomfortable.

(57:40):
I'm burning sensation, exactly.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Because I'm feeling sensitive.
Someone's picking on me Back todad at the end.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Right, yeah, and I can share my dad's story another
time.
What?
You've done so for you Because,when it is fully healed and
forgiven, it never existed.
And, trust me, I held thatstory for many, many years.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
But I believe the other side of it.
And years, yeah, but I'm on, Ibelieve the other side of it,
and it's like it never evenhappened.
But yeah, so we're in thatstory, it, and I'm struggling
when I meet people like it's areally hard thing to get that it
didn't happen, right, Iunderstand that.
So not I'm not lessening it atall, because mine was so
suffering indeed and it didn't.
But something happens wherejust do more forgiveness, more,

(58:25):
that's all I can suggest.
And then something happens whereit's so much beauty comes into
your world yeah for him, see himas christ, see him as innocent,
like, do what they tell us todo every minute yeah for him,
for his yes do it.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Yes, do it, can you guys?
Can you guys hear the people inthe room?
Let me know if you can hear thepeople in the room.
Someone on zoom or somewhere?
Let me know if you can hear thepeople in the room.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Uh yeah, because you're just loving that story
and I'm not saying it didn'thappen.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Yeah, because where you're at, well, whether it
happens or not doesn't matter.
I guess right now I'm gettingthat.
I'm in the now moment, I'mmaking it real and that's my
choice.
Yes, I could take the nowmoment, feel the burning
sensation and then see that isnot true, it's right, god it's

(59:14):
not happening right now.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
That's done, yeah, yeah, this is her job is
happening, so you can bring thatout.
Yes, laugh at it or feel yourburning and say no, I'm christ
and thank you for that.
I love her gratitude.
Yeah, did you just poke mebecause it's still on there?
Yeah, let's get it out.
We want to attach it to daddy,right, right, but none of it's
happened yeah, okay, you couldbe higher volume.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
liz thomas is loud enough, so maybe just speak up
when you speak so the people onZoom can hear you.
Yeah and they really appreciatethis conversation.
I'm getting comments about somepeople can hear both of you and
they're saying this is great tohear the practical forgiveness,

(01:00:01):
realizing it didn't happen.
That's the thing, and it'sreally realizing that it didn't
happen.
So you know, when I see Thomasis holding something, this is
just automatic for me I willpoke it and it's really fun for
me.
I'm laughing.
I'm laughing and he's going ohmy God, you're totally busting

(01:00:24):
my balls.
Yeah, he's like you're totallybusting my balls right now and
it's like well, why can't youjust go with it?
Why can't you just laugh at it?

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
It's like yeah, right , yeah, good for Thomas that he
can sit in that and recognizewhat it is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Thomas is amazing.
I'm staying here with Thomas,we're staying in these close
quarters in this.
You know, one bedroom, one bath, and and we're willing partners
in this to see throughillusions.
That's what we are.
We're both really, reallyfocused on that.
So it's like you know there'llbe, there'll be things that are

(01:01:00):
brought up where it's like it'slike hey, that's funny for me.
I it's like hey, that's funnyFor me.
I'm always like hey, that'sfunny.
And he's like shit, I don'twant to be that way, I don't
want to be that guy.
And I'm like hey, how about?

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
fuck, yeah, I'm that guy, I'm all the guys, thanks
for loving it and admitting itand bringing it to the truth.
I am that guy and I could talkto you hours about that.
I didn't want to be this.
I didn't want to be who Iperceive myself as, as the
victim of the abuse.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Yeah, Thanks you guys for letting me know I'm having
a lot, okay, fuzzy.
Someone's getting fuzzy, I canhear, but not the gal.
That's Liz.
It's really nice when Isummarize their questions.
Okay, I'll keep on doing that.
I feel now my choice in whatseemed to be abuse rather than
years of victim.

(01:01:52):
Yay, yes, we're all celebratingwith you.
Thomas, will you do me a hugefavor and just go over next to
my bed and get my charger forthis?
It's a large, it's got a largebox.
It's a large box right there onon my um power strip next to
the bed.
Thank you, is this fun, or what?

(01:02:14):
See?
The two hours goes by fast.
At first she's like can I leaveearly?
I'm like, yeah, if're bored,get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
I have to walk a dog, but it is my app she has to
walk a dog.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
All right, I'm going to use that whenever I need it.
I have to walk a dog, he's fine.
He's fine.
Okay, we're getting toparagraph 15.
This is the second paragraphwe're doing.
We're making it there in anhour to the second paragraph.
All right, let's see if I gotany more comments from you guys.

(01:02:49):
Okay, we're doing good, thanks,you guys.
Thank you for my online peepstoo, and everyone in the room.
You guys are awesome, all right.
Sentence one so this is whereJesus is shifting, okay,
shifting from describing thisdeadlock to diagnosing common
errors.
Aren't we freaking stoked toget this information and how the
ego tries to deal with it?

(01:03:11):
Okay, so here's the firstsentence Inappropriate denial
and equally inappropriateidentification of the real
factors in the basic conflictwill not solve the problem
itself.
That's a loaded sentence.
We're just going to get into it.
Inappropriate denial andequally inappropriate

(01:03:34):
identifications.
These are two aspects denialand identification.
Inappropriate denial, becausethere's appropriate denial, and
identification, too, of the realfactors in the basic conflict
right will not solve the problemitself.
So let's start out with thebasic conflict.

(01:03:55):
What's the basic conflict?
That's the mind's attempt tohold creation and create, and
miscreation is real.
That's the deadlock.
Two ego strategies are beingexposed here.
One is inappropriate denial,pretending that conflict isn't
there, pushing fear down intothe unconscious or

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spiritualizing over it.
There's a difference betweenpretending that conflict isn't
there and knowing that conflictis impossible.
So asking yourself here's howto tell the difference.
Asking yourself am I genuinelywilling to see this as a
blessing, this perception ofconflict that's arising?

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Am I genuinely willing to seethis as a blessing, exactly as
it's coming to me?
Okay, if yes, you may noticedisturbance moving through the
field, right, you may noticesome, the field, the body's
energy field, but you recognizethat it doesn't touch you.

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You recognize that it doesn'ttouch you.
So, from this place, you'renaturally receiving the
situation, receiving thesituation like your body's
energy field is just allowed tobe transparent.
You're receiving it as anenergy and you're receiving it
as a blessing and you're able toextend blessings, meaning

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you're not closing down andtrying to push it away.
Right, when I got done withwisdom dialogues on Monday, man,
it seemed like Thomas wasfucking pissed at me.
He was like Zen, they're likehow could you fucking do that
and stuff like that?
How could you say that shit andstuff like that?
And I was like, oh, this isawesome.
Right, I'm open to this.
Let's look at this, let's checkthis out, let's see what's

(01:05:47):
going on.
And it turns to oh, I see thatyou're feeling judged.
Okay, what's that about?
You know?
Because it's not possible forme to judge, that's for sure,
and I'm sure I don't meananything as a judgment.
Right, I love to bring up and,man, when you're in a close

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quarter with a guy like this,some shit is being brought up
and people need to know thatthis is illusion, and I'm
specifically naming the kinds ofthings that are popping up, not
saying Thomas is doing anythingwrong.
In fact, in his perception,he's like maybe you don't want
me to hug you like that, and Iwas like that's not what I'm
saying.
Please keep doing that.

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I like the penis involved inthe hug.
It's funny, it makes me laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
And you guys doing that, just doing it for all of
us For doing it for all of us.
Right, it's so much underlyingto the of us, right, yeah, so
much underlying to the malehuman.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Right, old, yeah.
And you know, sometimesespecially dudes seem to get
triggered.
They're like hey, that wasprivate.
And I was like hey, nothing isfucking private.
Nothing is actually private.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
You're taking none of it personally.
No, it's not personal.
Oh man, it's not personal.
No, it's not yeah, it's justit's just so much fun, but you
stay open, uh-huh, since I couldprobably make it close like
Right and separate.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Yeah, and there was another friend here.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
He's a guy.
Yeah, and he's my dad Right,got him in there.
Yeah, I'll stay wide open.
Yes, this God is with me andthis energy field can handle it
all.
Yes and I know that you cantake from me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
And I know it's going to turn out fun because God's
will for me is perfect happiness, right.
So I know it's going to turnout fun and I asked my friend
who was here because she was,you know, she was here for the
whole thing and evenparticipated.
I go, wasn't that fun?
She's like I have never seensomething like that turn out fun
before.
But that's the thing.

(01:07:49):
It's like there's just nothreat, right.
And as I'm speaking it, as I'mspeaking it and I'm having the
wisdom dialogues is my othertalk that lasts two hours.
I just talk stream ofconsciousness.
As I'm speaking, I could feelthis energy brewing at the same
time and it's kind of like ohyeah, let's have it and see,

(01:08:12):
this is another thing about ACurse in Miracles.
It talks about this privatethoughts thing and it's like
look, this is how I live momentto moment.
What if every single thing thatI'm thinking and everything I
seem to be doing, everyone knowsabout it?
Everyone's watching me rightnow because that's actually

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what's going on, just becauseyou don't perceive actual eyes
on you.
Look, everyone knows about itright now and I've even
expressed to people beforefriends and everything.
Look, if you don't want to betalked about on my wisdom talk.
Don't hang out with me becauseI can't.
I have to listen, I have to belistening to whatever the Holy

(01:08:57):
Spirit says, whatever the HolySpirit gives me to share and
knowing.
See, here's the thing.
I'm not holding it as wrong.
What Thomas perceived is that Iwas trying to give him some kind
of underlying message to changehis behavior.
I'm like no, I do not want youto change your behavior one bit.

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I'm bringing up thoughts thatsay that something is wrong and
I'm bringing them to the truth.
And then one of the commentsthat Thomas said is I need you
to be authentic and truthfulwith me and you didn't tell me
those thoughts before and I'mlike they're not truthful.

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Those are not truthful thoughts, they're lies.
So what I'm doing is presentingto you these are lies and this
is how you bring it to the truth.
No one is doing anything wrong.
No one's behavior needs tochange.
This is very common and I'veseen this.
You know especially.
You know growing up with afamily that thought that they

(01:10:03):
were protected by keepingsecrets.
Look, you guys might see I haveno secrets.
When I'm on my wisdom talk, I'mtelling you guys every
delusional thought, crazy,insane, perverted, everything
that comes up in my mind,because I know that hiding it

(01:10:25):
doesn't help.
We want to collapse time.
That's what we want, and youknow, of course, a lot of people
are going to think that's wrong, and you know what.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
That's fine with me, that's fine with me yeah, what
that exposed in me was a guiltthat I'm holding for all of men
for all of time, for eons andall the rape or whatever women
had against them.
I was holding guilt for that,even though I didn't do it.
I was so sensitive that someonewould blame or make any note

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that I'm not doing somethingright.
All the guilt for all humanitywas within me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
And so good to laugh at it, because it's never going
to be true.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Well done, thomas Got it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Yeah, I wish I could circle back to whoever you
thought was inappropriateearlier, and you were maybe you
thinking your hug wasinappropriate well, I didn't,
until it felt like a comment,and then I was upset that you
didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
How come I didn't know that?
If it was, if it wasinappropriate, I should have
known that earlier.
But you were.
You're just saying it was.
You're got the false thinkingright, bringing forward that's
right.
I was taking it reallypersonally.
Yes, holding guilt for all ofmen for for a million years and
none of it's.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
And even rape isn't inappropriate.
That's right.
None of it is inappropriate.
Yeah, how freeing is that?
Yeah, I think that's been doneto us, or we think we've done
it's true yeah, and that's that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
That's what I expressed to thomas at point.
This is the thing to get, thatyou are not capable of being
inappropriate and so then,whenever you get a reflection
that seems like you've beeninappropriate, you can just play
right into it.
Fuck, I love that about myself.
It's just nothing.

(01:12:26):
Yeah, it's just really nothing.
We're watching a show orwatching a play, so how to tell
the difference here?
Am I genuinely willing to seethis as a blessing?
Okay, so this is what we'retalking about is inappropriate
versus appropriate, denial,right or conflict.
Am I genuinely willing to seethis as a blessing?

(01:12:48):
Exactly as it's coming to me,you may notice disturbance
moving through your body'senergy field okay, but you
recognize that it doesn't touchyou.
From this place, you'rereceiving the situation as a
blessing and in that way, you'reable to extend blessings.
If you're not willing to seethis as a blessing, you're

(01:13:10):
asking the question am Igenuinely willing to see this as
a blessing?
If you're not willing to see itas a blessing, you're using a
concept to cover fear.
Okay, this is whereinappropriate comes in.
This is inappropriate denial.
Jesus is where inappropriatecomes in.
This is inappropriate denial.
Jesus is using inappropriateappropriately here.
This is inappropriate denial,where the disturbance is being

(01:13:33):
pushed down rather than seenthrough.
So you're saying, no, I'm notwilling to see this as a
blessing.
I'm not willing to see whatyou're saying as a blessing.
I'm not willing to see whatyou're doing as a blessing.
I'm not willing to see thissituation as a blessing.
I'm not willing to see whatyou're saying is a blessing.
I'm not willing to see whatyou're doing as a blessing.
I'm not willing to see thissituation as a blessing.
Then you're not able to seeclearly, you're not able to
receive the situation, you'renot able to let it pass through

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your body's energy field.
This is not saying it's wrong.
This is just being honest.
No, no, I'm not.
Helen, who channeled A Coursein Miracles, said she wasn't
willing.
She was honest about it.
I know this is the truth, butI'm not willing to do this.
Now we're at a point where youknow at least those of us that
are coming on Wisdom Dialogueshere we're at a point where

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we're like, yes, we are willingto do that.
Thomas is like amazing.
I mean just amazing, becausethis is just a rare man to see
something like this.
You know what?
I am going to laugh at this.
I am going to Hope, okay, okay,hope, say whatever you want to

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say.
Right, I'm going to laugh atthis.
Look at that.
Yeah, he's not going to laughat this, he does.
He's amazing.
Yeah, well, each time, eachtime it occurs.
Each time it occurs, he justgets softer and softer about it
and also noticing wow, I don'thave to hold that, I don't have

(01:15:05):
to hold on to that, I can havewhatever it is.
Okay, yay, all right.
So two kinds of denialInappropriate denial Example I'm
afraid, or I'm not afraid,everything's fine.
Where you really sense afearful feeling, right?

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So what's really happening isfear is still believed in, but
it's being pushed into theunconscious rather than
acknowledged.
Okay, so the effect is the feargets hidden, unhealed, and
continues to drive yourperception from beneath the
awareness.
Okay, so here's the right useof denial.
This is healing denial.

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So here's the example this fearhas no real power.
You can feel it in your body'senergy field.
You can sense it.
That's why, when I get thesense that someone is pissed at
me, you've really fucked up.
Now, hope, I'm pissed, right, Icould feel it in my body's
energy field.
I'm acknowledging that.

(01:16:13):
It's up in my body's energyfield and I'm well trained to
see this many times over andover again and I can meet it
with.
Oh good, I'm glad this is here,right, and if it's not, of God,
it's not a reality.
But I'm glad that this is herebecause now fear is being

(01:16:34):
exposed, but it's so quick in methat I'm just here with the
person.
I could even be here with aperson with shaking hands, but
I'm not coming intodefensiveness because I'm here
with it, I'm here for it, I'mhere to expose what's underlying
, I'm here to help with seeingwhat's going on here.

(01:16:56):
So the fear is exposed to thelight of the spirit and then its
seeming power is dissolved andit becomes fun, it becomes
joyful.
See, this is the kind of denialJesus uses in A Course in
Miracles Deny, error actuallyhas power over you.

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It's error.
So that's denial.
That's healing, healing denial,so that's denial.
That's healing, healing denial.
Right use of denial.
And what Jesus is callinginappropriate use of denial, so
it's denying.
It has any real power over you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Like spiritual bypass .

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Yes, yes, the inappropriate denial is like
spiritual bypass, right, right,I don't feel this.
I don't feel this, I don't feelthis.
I'm saying feel it all, feel itgood and then be here for it.
So siding with the ego'sprojection and calling it real
is inappropriate identification.

(01:17:59):
So remember, there are twoprongs here inappropriate denial
and inappropriateidentifications.
So siding with a projection asif the projection is real,
believing in fear, believing inguilt or believing that the body
is truth, right, that'sinappropriate identification.
Because Jesus is sayingappropriate identification is

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your true identity.
That's the only appropriateidentification.
So both responses inappropriatedenial or inappropriate
identification are keepingconflict unresolved and conflict
is really from within.
They don't heal, they actuallyjust perpetuate confusion.
It's really fabulous.

(01:18:48):
So denial can be appropriate,but only when it's directed
toward the unreal.
Denying error, any power that'sthe kind of appropriate denial
Error has no power.
Okay, it's not that I don'tfeel this effect of error.
Let's say I'm getting a sensethat it's, but it's projected

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from my own mind.
So it has no power, it doesn'thave power to hurt me.
It's not like oh no, the ego'slike oh, no, no, oh no, I didn't
want that reaction.
It's like yes, it's a big yes.
This is the reaction I want,because this is the reaction I
got.
Let's go.
Well, you know, let's, let'sfeel into this, right Can?

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
you explain again what you do when you're.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Feel something.
When I'm fielding, likebasically fielding a feeling,
yeah, right.
So so number one, yes to it.
Open energy field, open energyfield, okay.
And and if it's persisting,what's the thought behind it?
Because you know, for me a lotof the times it's just like, oh,

(01:19:55):
open, okay, open again.
And then if it's a persistingfeeling, what's the thought
behind that?
That must be a thought thatneeds to be brought to the truth
, so then the Holy Spirit canreinterpret the whole situation.
There's no threat here.
You know, the number one tenetof A Course in Miracles is that
no threat is real.

(01:20:16):
Right, there's no real threatanywhere.
There's no real threat anywhere.
So when we're fielding amisperception, let's say it
seems like something is beingthreatened.
Maybe my identity is beingthreatened, maybe my safety is
being threatened, maybe mylivelihood is being threatened,

(01:20:39):
maybe my reputation that's oneof my favorite ones, oh my gosh.
I'll give you a four example.
My four-year-old used to loveto play on the roof, right.
I wanted to get him off theroof because he was four and it
seemed like that.
And he was like fuck you, mom,right.
So I'm like ask the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit tells me goinside.
The sky is 17 now Go inside andpray.

(01:21:03):
So I go inside and I pray andthe Holy Spirit brings me to
what is the real reason.
You're afraid.
You know what it was.
If you fell off the roof anddied, I would be looked at as

(01:21:24):
the worst mom ever, ReputationNumber one, more fearful of the
dead body of the four-year-old,more fearful than the dead body
of the four-year-old.
That was where how myfour-year-old son really helped
bring this to the surface andhelped me resolve what other
people think about me.
Right there.
Right, because man and the HolySpirit just showed me under no

(01:21:48):
uncertain circumstances.
If that happens, you're goingto use it to awaken the mind
like you never believed.
And it doesn't even need tohappen because I was willing to
use it to awaken the mind rightthere.
A few minutes later, my son wasdone playing on the roof
forever.
I never went back up there.
See, that's an example of it.

(01:22:15):
These weird fears.
It's just like these weirdfears, right, especially and
this seems very common to peoplereputation, and I'm like no,
you know, tell anyone anything.
Expose me, go ahead.
I love it.
Go ahead, expose me, becausethat's what really.

(01:22:35):
You know, it brings to thesurface anything that I was
afraid of being out there.
And that's what Jesus istalking about these private
thoughts and thinking we cankeep our thoughts private.
It's like man, no, that'sactually affecting the whole
mind.
It's like let it out into thelight and seeing that it didn't
even happen.
It's not appropriate orinappropriate, it's just nothing

(01:22:59):
.
And it's like letting the playplay.
It's just nothing and it's likeletting the play play, okay.
So what Jesus is callinginappropriate here is really
misapplication.
It's denying truth andaffirming illusion.
That's misapplication of thiskind of like, this ability we
gave ourselves to deny anything,the ability of denial, which

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you don't need in creation.
Right self to deny anything,the ability of denial, which you
don't need in creation, right.
So we're turning this abilityof denial to a correct
application affirming the truthand denying illusion, rather
than affirming illusions anddenying the truth.
See, so we're just not misusingit.
All of these abilities we'vegiven ourselves, we can use them

(01:23:46):
appropriately.
This is really whereappropriate and inappropriate
work right.
It's not to behavior, it's inhow you would use these
abilities that you gave yourself, denial being one of them,
right?
So, practically, denial, okay,I'm not, everything's fine.
We talked about that.

(01:24:07):
The identification one.
This fearful thought is trueabout me.
I am guilty, I am unworthy.
That's the identificationproblem.
They're saying this is trueabout me and oftentimes people
in our field well-meaning people, people that care, right, they
want us to see where a fearfulthought is true about us,

(01:24:31):
because they believe that aboutthemselves.
And you know, it's like theyfeel like they're going to try
to correct you right and say,hey, I have this fearful thought
about you.
They don't say it like that.
I have this fearful thoughtabout you and I want you to take
this fearful thought about you.
They don't say it like that,but I have this fearful thought
about you and I want you to takethis fearful thought about you
on and believe it with me, sothen we can fix it.

(01:24:51):
I'll help you fix it.
I'll help you fix this flawabout yourself Like this is how
you're flawed and let me helpyou with it.
So this is an ego defense.
It's not a real solution.
Don't parent and children dothis all the time?
Right, parents to children.
That's why I wrote a bookcalled Unschooling for Parents A

(01:25:11):
Mystic's Guide to Awakeningwith Children.
You can find it on Amazon, allright.
So it's like this I see thiserror in you and come on, this
is how, or for instance, you'relazy.
My son came to me and told memom, I'm lazy.
I'm like, how could that be?
He's like, well, my room's amess and I don't feel like
cleaning it.
And I go that means you're lazy.

(01:25:32):
And he's like, well, yeah, andI go don't you think you're
going to clean the room when youwant to clean it?
Why does lazy need to come inthere?
Who told you that?
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
is that inappropriate ?
Inappropriate identificationright.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
It's identifying as if you're you're you're not the
son of god.
Somehow.
Now you can be lazy, right,right, instead of just looking
at the facts.
My room's a mess and I don'twant to clean.
It Doesn't mean you're lazy,doesn't mean you're lazy at all.
Whenever you want to clean it,when it gets too much for you,
you'll clean it.

(01:26:09):
It's really simple.
It's really simple.
And you know, I've had the sameson come up to me and go hey,
you know what?
You're a really shitty parent.
Oh, really, you want to talkabout that?
That's good to know, right.

(01:26:31):
And it's like when you get downto it and it goes over a couple
days, but after a couple daysit's like, you know, he's
telling me how he wants me tochange and stuff, like that.
And I was like all right, let'splay around.
I feel like playing around withthat, let's play around with
that.
Ok, you want me to tell youwhat to do and stuff, stop

(01:26:51):
buying you things.
When you ask me to buy youthings, ok, right, everyone, all
kids, think their parents are ashitty parent, no matter what
you're doing, you know, at somepoint they think you're a shitty
parent, right.
So I'm like, ok, ok, I'll playwith that.
A couple of days later,everything goes back to oh yeah,
I'm like thank goodness I'm ashitty parent.

(01:27:12):
Yeah, he's like yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
And, as you said earlier, just admit it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Yeah, shitty parent.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Tell everyone, shitty parent, tell everyone this is
my third time.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
this is like after all kinds of all kinds of
training, I was like let me seehow I can be the best shitty
parent possible and one of mysons is like and you even wrote
a book about parenting.
Yeah, yeah, isn't that awesome.

(01:28:00):
So, all right, sent sentencetwo of paragraph 15.
The conflict cannot disappearuntil it's fully recognized that
miscreation is not real andtherefore, therefore, there is
no conflict.

(01:28:20):
Let's read that again.
It's a very fun sentence for me.
The conflict cannot disappearuntil it is fully recognized
that miscreation is not real andtherefore there is no conflict.
That's the quote from A Coursein Miracles, right?
So Jesus is cutting to the core.

(01:28:43):
He's not fucking around here,right?
He's saying the conflict has noactual existence.
That's what he's saying.
This is different than denyingconflict when you still believe
that it's real.
See, that's why you feel whatyou feel and you're willing to
see that it has no actualexistence.

(01:29:03):
You're willing to see yourwhole perception, all the
thoughts that are occurring toyou, all of the manifestations
occurring to you as a blessingand an opportunity to see
through.
No-transcript.

(01:29:24):
The only resolution isrecognition that miscreation is
not real.
That's the only resolution.
And you know, when any of myfriends try to project onto me,
let's say that I am miscreating.
I'm fucking stoked.

(01:29:46):
I'm stoked to the max.
This is my opportunity todemonstrate to my own mind that
that has no power over me, whichalso extends to that has no
power over you.
That has no power over you.
I cannot miscreate, therefore,neither can you, and what you're

(01:30:07):
bringing me, even with thistrying to convince me that I can
miscreate, is perfect for me.
Thank you, because all it doesis show my mind, demonstrate to
my mind more and more and more,that I am truly as God created

(01:30:29):
me and have not changed one bit.
That's the recognition and thereality that I'm meant to extend
.
However, I get there throughwhatever means in the material
world, through saying whatever Iseem to say perfect for me and
for everyone involved.
This is something that I justknow in my heart.

(01:30:50):
Whatever it is, whatever meansto see, it's perfect.
So I don't get caught up incircular illusions trying to fix
myself.
I'll get there when I makemyself better.
That's not it.
That's not where it is, that'show I was, that's how, and still

(01:31:11):
am with my kids.
I mean, they're all big now,but still am with, with my kids.
It's like you can't get itwrong.
My son, when he was a teenager,one time comes home and goes
Mom, I feel like shit because Idrank too much alcohol last
night and I go.
Was there really a last night,or are you projecting a shitty

(01:31:36):
feeling right now, right, andwith this you can see things
just dissipate.
It's like really, mom, really,yeah, yeah, you're making it up
right now.
There's no last night Becauseof guilt.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
Yeah Of what he did last night, oh yeah.
Yeah, you're making it up rightnow.
There's no last night Becauseof guilt.
Yeah Of what he did last night,oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
Yeah, it was too much .
Yeah, it was too much alcohol.
So much to feel like, right,there's the right amount of
alcohol and then there's toomuch alcohol, right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
Yeah, you're such a shitty mom.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
I get the worst mom ever award.
I'm sure I get the worst momever award.
I'm sure you just let me dowhat I want and always tell me
that I'm good, Always tell methat I'm doing awesome.
Yep, that's it.
That's right.
I can't help it.
That's just the way it is.
I mean, that's the actual wayit is.

(01:32:29):
This is coming from the HolySpirit.
Actually, you know you're doingawesome.
So Jesus is here.
He's you know well, look howhe's saying it.
Look how Jesus is saying it.
He's not, he's not screwingaround.
He's saying your miscreationsare not real Is what he's saying
.
So why are we going to pretendlike miscreations can happen?

(01:32:50):
That's ridiculous.
So as long as the mind isgranting any reality to
miscreation, this conflictbetween creation and miscreation
will persist.
Okay, the only resolution isthe recognition miscreation is
not real.
With that recognition, theapparent conflict between

(01:33:12):
creation and miscreationcollapses, because it wasn't
even there.
You're only upholding it inimagination.
This is why the Course isinsisting.
Jesus, through a Course inMiracles, is insisting again and
again.
This is the whole tenet.
Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.

(01:33:32):
Herein lies the peace of God.
So if you're not recognizingthat, you're not in the peace of
God, that's all.
Only creation is real andmiscreation is actually nothing.
So the idea of conflict is amisperception.
It's not a fact, we're onlypropping it up.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
Just a simple statement.
Nothing real can be threatened.
I'm telling you like a fewwords and that's pretty much the
whole.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
That's the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
That's the prologue of the book yeah, yeah,
introduction, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
But isn't it fun that we get all these words to just
kind of hammer this in Right.
Nothing unreal exists.
Right, piece of God, and youare the reality.
You are as God created you.
You do not change from that.

(01:34:34):
So the ego thrives on theappearance of conflict.
It convinces you that there aretwo powers, right, but once the
mind sees miscreation has noreality, this illusion of
opposites just dissolves.
It's all perfect for me.
That's why it seems like and Imean the body can't feel, the

(01:34:58):
body can't tell you how it feelsthe mind's projecting onto the
body how it seems to feel, andit's like the sense of my body
just seems to feel better andbetter and better, like, even,
just like I'll just be sittingthere and I'll just notice, oh,
my gosh, my tongue at the roofof my mouth is just like.
Oh, it's orgasmic.

(01:35:18):
I just feel it, you know, likeeverything's vibrating and
that's because of seeing throughthis all the time, like using
it for that and making it fun tosee through any illusion of
conflict, right, any illusionlike, say, someone seems to like
give me like a bad feeling orsomething like that, and

(01:35:42):
recognizing that's coming fromme and I'm immediately uplifted
and so I'm not holding a thingthat makes that person somehow
mad at me or mean to me orresistant toward me or anything
like that, and I just see thingschange.
You know, personal interaction,everything is just so changeful

(01:36:02):
and it's always changefulaccording to the balance of what
I was seeing, how I was seeing.
I'm being affected, myperception is being affected by
how I'm choosing to see.
That's all it ever is.
So I see everyone as a blessingand I extend gratitude, even
when it seems like they'reprojecting something onto me,

(01:36:24):
and I would say, especially whenit seems like they're
projecting something onto me,because I want it, I know I want
it.
I'm like, thank you, brother,thank you for bringing this to
me.
Or any sense of hurt, or I feelany sense of hurt, is gratitude
.
So these illusions of oppositesdissolve.
There's no opposition, it's allperfect.

(01:36:46):
So what remains here is thecertainty of creation.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
It's unopposed, it's whole, it's exactly as it should
be yes, it's quite a reversal,because typically we'd say
you're projecting and so whatyou're saying is to, instead of
saying that you take on theprojection and put it up, wear
it right oh, what does that feellike?
And just no, it's not real.

(01:37:11):
So you just wear it for asecond and a second Right, but
instead of putting it back onthere, you're projecting.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
Right.
So it's kind of like if someonegoes, you're being judgmental
Instead of you're projectingthat I'm judgmental, it's like
oh, I hear that you're feelingjudged.
What is that about, right?
Where is that coming from,right?
So it's like it's like not amatter of of resisting whatever

(01:37:38):
someone's going.
You know, my daughter's mydaughter did that one time.
It's such a fun story.
She was doing all this cocaine,apparently Right and and was
like she was asking me to dococaine with her and I was like
you know, I'm just not feelingthe cocaine vibe, I'm not
feeling like doing cocaine,right.
So she's like you're judgmental.
Then and I'm like, oh okay,well, do you know what to do

(01:38:00):
with that?
When you see me beingjudgmental, she's like what?
And I go forgive it, forgive mefor what I didn't do, right,

(01:38:23):
that's what you do with that.
And she's like she's like mom,everything is not just okay.
And I go that's okay, right.
So in the moment my daughter waslike what the fuck?
I'm trying to get through to mymom, I'm trying to tell her
something's wrong and she won'tfucking acknowledge that
something's wrong with me andbut but then.
So I'm looking at that and I'mnoticing.
I'm noticing it after the fact,when she's done doing the

(01:38:46):
cocaine, she's like feels likeshe hit rock bottom and she's
done doing the cocaine.
She's like feels like she hitrock bottom and she's done doing
the cocaine.
She knows it's fine to comearound me.
She's like, hey, mom, hey,thanks for holding that, like
nothing was wrong with me.
Everyone was looking at me likesomething was wrong with me and
I was like can a girl just havea drug here, right?

(01:39:09):
So even a person trying toconvince me that something's
wrong with them, I'm like, no,yeah, I'm not convinced.
And and just seeing how, uh,seeing how my daughter is, uh,
at this point in time, how lightshe is with everything, that's
how it just how, how light, evenwith any thoughts that come up
for her or anything like that ishow light she's willing to hold

(01:39:33):
things and how she's notwilling to give in when someone
tries to convince her thatsomething's wrong with her.
She knows, she knows that she'sGod's creation, right, it's
just not true.
So it's like, yeah, you canlaugh in any circumstance.
You know, I'm giving you guysexamples of things that you may

(01:39:54):
or may not have pop up in yourfield, you know, but for some
people it's like that's intense.
You know some people are likethat.
Wow, I really feel like afailure If my daughter was on
six day benders daughter was onsix day benders.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
Exactly, it's the reputation, yeah, and and you
know, it's like you don't knowwho you are Right, yeah, yeah,
and, and what, and.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
Another thing about my daughter.
You know she's never had anyissue with me talking about her
going on vendors or her in herrelationships with their
partners or anything like that.
She's like Mom.
Please talk about me on WisdomDialogues.
I want to hear it Right.
Yeah, she just feels reallyfree, Right.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
Yeah, yeah, when you're not holding it, whatever.
Yeah, the secret, the secret isshame.
This and I see this soprevalent, especially with men
too.
With men, it's like don't.
My husband was like that beforehe didn't come to any wisdom
dialogues for 10 years.
I was giving talks just becausehe was like cringe, uh.

(01:41:09):
And then, and then eventuallyhe started coming.
He's like, oh, this is perfect.
He's like bring it up, bring itout, this is perfect for me.
And just noticing the freedomand having, just like, all of
this stuff not only exposed, butexposed in a way that this is
not real, it's not true, it'sillusions playing.

(01:41:34):
So then it's like there's thisnot identifying with this
secretive thing.
There's so much trying and allwe're hiding it from is
ourselves.
There's no one looking at usbut ourselves.
That's the only thing.
We're hiding it from right.
So it's like letting yourselfjust be really transparent,
naked, right, like naked beforeyour brothers, who are also just

(01:41:59):
you Like I like to say you knowwhat, you know why.
I love the sense like I'membarrassed Because I know all
eyes on me are mine, right, Ilove, I always loved that, ever
since I was a kid.
Just getting the sense of beingembarrassed.
I'm just like, oh yeah, yeah,this is where it's at, this is

(01:42:19):
the juice, right?
It's like as if someone canlook at you in a way that's
going to diminish you.
I can't be diminished, that'sinvulnerability.
So wait, let me go check on youguys.
Okay, I see you guys are doinggood.
I see you, I love you.
All right, yay, thank you forhanging with me.

(01:42:41):
We only have 12 minutes left,believe it or not.
So sentence three of paragraph15, this entails a full
realization of the basic factthat, although you have
miscreated in a very genuinesense, this is great.
I love how Jesus just goes backand forth like this so he could

(01:43:02):
show us what's going on youneed neither continue to do so
nor suffer from your past errorsin this respect.
So jesus is being precise.
You have miscreant, remember.
He's saying you can't do it.
He's saying, and then he'ssaying you have miscreated.

(01:43:24):
You use the mind's power toimagine separation and project
illusions.
In this sense, miscreation isgenuine.
Quote genuine, but genuine doesnot mean real in truth.
Take all the other sentencesput together and you can see
that.
So see how you could use theego to parse this out in certain

(01:43:46):
ways that are good for the ego,but what Jesus is saying here
he already said it's not realand truth.
You got to see that miscreationdoesn't exist.
And then he's saying you usethe mind's power to imagine.
This is why it's not real,because it's imagination to
imagine separation and projectillusions.
This means the mind did not useits power to set up experience

(01:44:12):
that felt real within.
Or the mind did use its power,did not use its power
appropriately, but did use itspower to set up experience that
felt real within the dream.
So it's using this power of themind to set up these
experiences that feel real, butyou don't really want them.

(01:44:34):
So the good news is you don'thave to continue miscreating the
moment you choose creation overmiscreation, creation over
illusions.
It's done the moment you choose.
So it's not like you have toatone for past errors.
That's not the atonement.
The atonement is accepting that.

(01:44:55):
The correction is here now.
It's already corrected.
It's already done.
As soon as you thought againstyourself, that error was
corrected.
It remains corrected.
The atonement is youracceptance of that.
You don't have to suffer forany past errors.
It's what he's saying.
The effects of miscreation areundone in present moment

(01:45:19):
forgiveness, present momentforgiveness.
All effects are wiped clean.
Okay.
This is echoing the atonementprinciple here.
Error calls for correction, notpunishment.
All right, so the egointerprets miscreation as sin,

(01:45:40):
as if it's irreversible.
You deserve to be suffering.
Jesus is reframing it here.
Miscreation is an error inthought, already undone the
instant it occurred.
The instant the error, theerroneous thought went forth
like a projection.
It is undone instantly.

(01:46:02):
You are free now because inreality, nothing happened to
change who you are.
Nothing happened to change yourcreation in God.
No one can do anything to you.
Okay.
So when guilt over the pastcomes up, okay, I did not truly

(01:46:23):
miscreate, I need not suffer forit, nor keep pretending that I
can miscreate.
It's already undone.
I did not miscreate, see, jesussays, quote you have miscreated
in a very genuine sense, okay.

(01:46:46):
The thing is that genuinenessis only within the dream.
It seemed real in yourexperience, but it never had
true reality.
To say I did not trulymiscreate is accurate from A
Course in Miracles' ultimatestandpoint no separation

(01:47:07):
occurred.
Therefore, no miscreation trulyhappened.
Okay, it's.
Your mind is so powerful thatyou could genuinely, in a dream,
miscreate.
Okay and make it real foryourself.
But the rest of the phrasing, Ineed not suffer for it.

(01:47:29):
This is my phrasing.
Okay, I need not suffer it, norkeep pretending that I can
miscreate.
This is aligning with themessage of atonement Guilt is
unnecessary and miscreation hasno real effects.
It's already undone.
This is the core of A Course inMiracles.
The atonement was accomplishedthe instant the separation

(01:47:53):
seemed to arise.
We're just accepting theatonement as we go through the
dream.
So there's a subtle distinctionhere.
At the dream level, you seem tomiscreate.
Hence Jesus is saying in a verygenuine sense this is why
correction is needed, becauseyou seemed to miscreate.

(01:48:14):
What is the correction?
Though?
No miscreation ever happened,isn't it good?
It gets easier and easier.
You don't have to forgive.
No, you don't.
You know, you learn this.
You learn forgiveness until itjust just, it kind of morphs
into just extending love.
It's just extending lovebecause the forgiveness happened

(01:48:36):
before.
You've already forgiven.
Now you're just extending love.
That's what's happening.
And yeah, true forgiveness.
True forgiveness leads toextending love.
When you've already forgivenbefore, and this is also a
concept in A Course in Miraclesforgiveness before, you're just
extending love.
Yeah, there's nothing toforgive because nothing happened

(01:48:57):
Exactly.
So you need forgiveness as longas there's a perception that
something did happen.
That's when you use it.
It's totally appropriate to useforgiveness, but you want to
use it in the sense where you'reactually collapsing time,
rather than projecting time withit or just staying, you know,
kind of like we were talkingabout earlier a couple days ago

(01:49:22):
and also earlier in deep dives,the idea that, you know, I
forgive myself for making thisillusion it's what Jesus would
call a circular miracle, becauseit's allowing yourself to feel
better, which we want,definitely but it's not allowing
Jesus to use your mind forcollapsing time, which is where

(01:49:46):
what I, the kind of forgivenessis what I thought happened
didn't happen.
There's not someone here thatjust needs to feel better.
It goes beyond that.
It's actually that it didn'thappen.
That that's why there's no selfto forgive for making it up,
even see, so it just goes deeperas you go through it.
So, at the level of truth, no,no, no miscreation ever happened

(01:50:09):
.
This is why you can say andJesus loves it when you say it
it is already undone.
It is already undone.
All right, I'm staying as anorgasm.
Now.
I don't know if Jesus is sayingthat, but I think he likes it.
I'm just going to stay, I'mjust going to remain like this

(01:50:33):
now, okay, okay.
So, christina, I love that.
True forgiveness is extendinglove, yeah, well, you know, what
I said is it's the outcome oftrue forgiveness.
It's the outcome of it, right?
Because truly forgiveness issaying what I thought happened
didn't happen.
So when you're acknowledgingthat what I thought happened

(01:50:55):
didn't happen, all that's leftthere is extending love, right,
you're in gratitude for yourperception and that's just how
it manifests.
It's just an extension of love,right?
So it's kind of like theevolution of true forgiveness.
So this is how the recognitionit is already undone this breaks

(01:51:19):
the cycle of repeating oldpatterns, since guilt is what's
driving their recurrence.
Anyways, it's breaking thecycle, right, because it's
saying it is already undone.
So it's just guilt that'sdriving the recurrence.
Oh, there it is again.
Oh, it happened when my fatherdid this and now it's this, and

(01:51:40):
now it's this.
Okay, time to break that.
Are you seeing a pattern?
Break it, it is already undone.
Yeah, it's all done.
So each moment is a freshopportunity to choose love
instead of miscreation, which isfear.
Creation is love, miscreationis fear.
That's all we got is a choicebetween those two things, and

(01:52:00):
one of them isn't a real choice.
It's actually a choice that youcan't even actually make.
Yay, thank you, christina.
Thank you for taking that.
I love it.
So, yeah, I know, I know twohours seems long, but it's super
short, we're at that.

(01:52:20):
We only covered two paragraphsand they were juicy, so we'll be
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I'm doing this here in Sedonauntil the end of October.
I never know when I'm going tostart back up again here.
You know I took two weeks offas soon as I came here.
I'll be back again, though,next Monday for Wisdom Dialogues

(01:52:45):
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I never know.
Sometimes I'm sitting theretalking and my eyes are like
what the fuck is coming out now.
So, yes, and then Wednesday wego back into this deep dive in A
Course in Miracles.

(01:53:05):
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