A Course in Miracles Deep Dive | Mastery of Love Wrap Up | October 29, 2025 - Hope Johnson's Wisdom Dialogues

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SPEAKER_07 (00:02):
All right.
Aloha.
And welcome to a course inmiracles deep dive with Hope
Johnson.
Ah, thank you for joining.
Today we're finishing up fromchapter two, section twelve, The
Mastery of Love.

(00:24):
I don't know.
The mastery of love.
That this is the this is thesection that we're finishing up
today.
We're in the last paragraph,paragraph 10, some of the last
sentences of that.
And then we're gonna go into uhthe next sex section, which is

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the last judgment.
Come on in, everyone.
Whatever you prefer.
Yay! Oh, come on in.
I'm already in the recording, soI've already started, I've
already presented what it is,but um, I'll say it one more

(01:05):
time for people who are joiningnow.
You don't need to have a bookwith you.
I'm going out of the purplebook, the one that's the
complete and annotated edition.
It was published in 2021.
Uh, that's the one I'm going offof.
And we are in chapter two,section 12, The Mastery of Love.

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We're toward the end of that onenow.
We're in uh we're in paragraph10, and we're starting with
sentence five, but we'll startout first with tuning in and
what you might call a prayer.
Yay! Ah thank you to everyonewho's joining with us today,

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whether in person, whether lateron, Zoom, Substack.
Thank you so much, Jesus, forjoining with us always and being
so patient.
No matter how long it seems totake for us to just accept the
love of God, you keep onstanding there, gently leading
the way.
Thank you so much, and thank youfor bringing these words to life

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for us today, so that we canunderstand the truth behind them
and know that that's our realityand use that within our lives.
Yay! Amen, everyone.
All right.
Let us begin with a little bitof a summary.

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We're on the mastery of love,section twelve, uh, and that's
of chapter two, paragraphs onethrough nine, and the beginning
of 10.
Okay.
What we've been understandingthrough this is that fear does
not need to be mastered oroverpowered.

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Okay, it's not a real force,it's not something we can
actually use in that sense.
It's only the effect ofbelieving in separation.
Okay, that's all it is.
Because it's an illusion, itdoes not require any struggle,
it doesn't need you to conquerit or anything like that.

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Okay, it's just it simplyrequires your withdrawal of
belief in it.
See, whenever there's a fearfulsense, you feel it as a body
sense, but out of that, thereare a lot of thoughts that
explain, justify, and defendthat feeling as if they're

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caused by something outside ofyourself.
See, did you have something tosay?
Okay, thank you too.
So the ego isn't a real entitywith any power, it's not it's

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not having any power overanyone, it's just a belief
system based on animpossibility.
The idea that you're separate.
That's impossible, it has notoccurred, no separation from God
has ever occurred.
So fear is this emotionalsignal, it's giving us a signal,

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it's produced by believing inthe idea of separation.
So we're becoming aware, okay,fear is a signal of believing in
the idea of separation, whichactually has no power.
So neither the ego nor the norfear can be mastered.

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One of my friends uh referencedhaving a good ego the other day.
I was like, a good ego, huh?
That's you know, it's just acommon thing to want to try to
master this thing that thereseems to be fear of.
There's fear, whether you knowit or not, in the unconscious

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mind of these ego thoughts.
Okay, so there's fear of theego.
So uh, so so recognizing itdoesn't need to be mastered,
it's just withdrawing belief init releases the fear.
Every time it arises, that's theopportunity.
It's getting lighter and lighterand easier and easier to see

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this.
So the teaching up to this pointis that the ego and fear are to
be undone throughright-mindedness, not mastered,

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simply withdrawing belief fromit in the moment.
And you know, for myself, what Iwhat I sense is a heart opening.
Keep on feeling this heartopening as there's a release uh
from the thinking, and you know,really uh just the just that
thought, think not.

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I love that thought because itcould be just interjected
anywhere in any train ofthought.
It's like think not, this isyour rest to not follow that
thought into oblivion, and it'sjust now, so it doesn't matter
what you were just doing fiveminutes ago.

SPEAKER_08 (06:36):
You could be all wrapped up in it, you could be
all obsessive and then go, oh,wait a minute, that's just
obsessive.

SPEAKER_07 (06:42):
That doesn't mean anything, just an immediate
withdrawal from it.
See, so love doesn't need to beattained or mastered in the
sense that the ego would say it,it's mastered through
acceptance.
You're accepting it.

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That's the mastery of love,you're accepting it.
That is that means that nothingthat opposes it actually exists
in your mind.
See that that's the mastery oflove, because it's it's you,
it's who you actually are, so itjust comes through when you

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recognize that whatever'sspeaking from fear, it doesn't
mean a thing.
It's got it's got no power rightnow.
See, and that's why you'reyou're gonna sense this.
Possibly for everyone, it mightbe different, but I had this
heart opening.
That's what I noticed.
You might feel it up in yourthird eye.

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Notice the body sense that'ssignaling, and and you know, and
also appreciate when you noticea shift.
Wow, there's a shift inperception that just occurred.
The feeling in the body sense,the emotional feeling sense in
the body sense is a firstmanifestation of thought.

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So when the awareness is pivotedto a thought of truth from a
thought of fear that felt heavy,all of a sudden there's
expansion, and you can sense it,and you can have that all day
long.
Okay, you can have that all daylong.
You just withdraw belief in theego, belief in the ego thought.

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Uh, okay, so Jesus said thispath is not about conquering
fear, it's about allowing thebelief in fear to be undone, uh,
just allowing it to be undone.
Readiness, okay.
So, readiness, you talk aboutreadiness, it's not mastery
itself, it's that moment themind is willing to see.
The mind's willing to see thatawakening, awakening is not only

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possible, but it's inevitable.
That's readiness, right?
From there, there's stillsomething you could say to do in
a sense, but it's more like tosee, right?
Because it's like you could saynature is playing out.
You maybe you're feeling likeyou're falling in love, maybe

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you're you're getting pissed,whatever you you know you have
in the sense of these things.
And this is where thisawareness, this knowledge, uh,
this knowing flows through youbecause you're constantly coming
back to knowing that the truthis true.
From an you know, when the thefearful ego thought strikes the

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heart, it's just an a constantcoming back to knowing, and you
know, and coming back to knowingthat's a real embracing of that
feeling, too, isn't it?
You can't escape it by trying torun away from it.
You have to embrace it, you haveto really feel it and recognize
that it is being caused bysomething you wouldn't keep.

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That's how you get released fromit.
So, readiness, yes.
So we're ready.
Uh we're listening to this rightnow, or it seems to be coming
out of my mouth, so I must befeeling ready too.

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Okay, so it's a turning point,it's not mastery itself.
Mastery plays out of the momentthat that plays out right in the
moment.
Are you allowing yourself to bereleased from fearful thoughts
by embracing the effect of thosefearful thoughts, which is

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feeling?
It's actually the effect of anunderlying belief, but it keeps
on projecting with thoughts.
So we're undoing an underlyingbelief that way.
We're getting to the root ofthings.
That's what's so exciting.
So love is already who everyoneis.
You know, there's there's onepart in the Course in Miracles.

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Oh my gosh, I just love it.
It's you are perfectly incapableof lack of love.
You're getting a misperceptionwhen you get the sense of it.
And then it's like, do you wantto keep that idea going that
you're capable of lack of loveand you really did something?

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If God didn't create it, itdoesn't exist.
And you're always as God createdyou.
So that's really fun.
So the ego is just a mistakenbelief, it's not a competing
power to love.
And in the last chapter, was ita chapter?

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No, it was the last section, Ibelieve.
We are talking about levelconfusion and how what that
means is you're putting the egothought system on the same level
as the Holy Spirit thoughtsystem, as if they can be
competing.
The Holy Spirit has a thoughtsystem that's a hundred percent
true, and ego thought system isa hundred percent false, they

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are not on the same level, butwhen you put them on the same
level, then you experience thisgoing back and forth.
Gosh, I love all this shit.
It says in accursed miracles,but when I get home, I just
gotta kick the dog, you know,like whatever that looks like to
you, you know, it's some kind ofgoing into a guilt, guilt

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pattern or whatever.
Uh, I gotta mull over thisthing, this relationship that I
have, or whatever the thing is,right?
So they're not competing.
That's what snaps you out of itright away.
You just snap right out of it.
They're not competing.
The truth is always true, andyou're the truth.

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If you're choosing to exerciseyour free will and go into
illusion, that's great.
Nothing's wrong.
And you have this lifeline, likeyou just snap right back.
Right?
So it's not about you're tryingto evaluate yourself and stuff
like that.
Whatever you seem to do in thefield, oh my god, it's a hundred

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percent helpful.
You can just be sure of that.
Whatever it is that you everseem to do in the field, I'll
say it again, is a hundredpercent helpful.

SPEAKER_08 (13:36):
It's helping to undo the belief in separation, it has
no other purpose, and you didn'tfucking do it.

SPEAKER_07 (13:49):
It's just arrogance to start evalu evaluating it at
all, you know.
So when your mind moves toevaluate you, look at it.
Notice what kind of train thisis.
You don't want to be on thattrain.
Bad service, uh okay.

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So miracle-mindedness isbasically not valuing fear
thoughts, you're not valuingthem, you don't value them, you
don't have to compete with them,you don't have to try to get rid
of them, you just notice thoseare fearful thoughts, and how
cute that they're be beingpresented to me.

SPEAKER_08 (14:39):
Thank you.
There was a point in time whereI might have believed that now
it looks really funny.
It's just ticking across, right?

SPEAKER_07 (14:46):
It's not personal.
So acceptance is basicallyremembering, it's remembering
yourself.
Okay, so this is the kind ofacceptance that we're talking
about, and we also talked abouthow confidence in the truth
arising arises from using it.

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You become more and moreconfident as you see, start to
notice.
That's why I'm saying noticeyour body's energy field when
you get relief, when you getrelief, extend gratitude for
that.
Oh my goodness, there's somerelief, and you'll start to see
it more and more, and you'llstart to recognize it even in
other people.

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Let yourself have deep breaths,that's natural for you.
So basically, are you willing toaccept it?
So, a quick preview.
Let me check my zoom peeps.
Okay, you guys are doingawesome.
I love you.
Thank you for joining.
And I'm checking on you guystoo.

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You can also make a comment onZoom.
And you guys right here, feelfree.
So we're just gonna briefly goover sentences one through four
in paragraph 10.
Again, this is chapter two,section 12, the mastery of love.

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Okay, so key points, the masteryof love can't be forced or
prematurely claimed.
It actually occurs in themoment, it's an instant thing,
so it's not like something youclaim, it's constantly coming to
know.

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See, because you're getting ayou're you're getting a sense of
a world, and that's coming as abody sense.
So it's coming to knowing.
You don't have to uh go intofalse confidence, that's really
arrogance, and it leads to fear,you know, just being in uh a
watching and recognizing there'sa certain kind of almost like an

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action of allowing an actionthere.
You're just allowing yourself toremember what's true in the
moment, and you're getting theseperceptions that come as a body
sense, those are theopportunities.
See, it doesn't have any otherpurpose besides that, really
doesn't.

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So readiness comes first, andthen confidence.
Uh, confidence is gonna happennaturally as your mind is open
to the truth because you startto see the effects of your
miracles, you're feeling them inthe body sense.
As you're recognizing that,you're noticing other people
around you starting to relax.

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Uh, circumstances start tochange, even it comes from your
being open to the truth becausethe world you perceive is
entirely coming from you, andit's based on a thought of
separation.
It's an error, so it's totallychangeable.
Okay, so readiness is thebeginning of the journey, the

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end is certainty that love isall there is, and through the
particulars of your life, thethoughts, the feelings, the
appearances, the people, thecircumstances, those are like
what's giving you the catalyst.
You could say that's natureworking out, it's all your mind,

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right?
It is nature working out, andit's and it's gonna come as
these certain different feelingsthat arise.
And this is the coming into theknowing, the mastery of love is
in the moment where you'reknowing that the feelings that
are arising are for release, andyou're using them that way.

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That that's mastery, and we alsocovered that we must first
accept that mastery is possible.
We accept that mastery ispossible, amen.
Right now, right now, right now,yes, yes.
It's not just like in thislifetime, sometime in the

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future.
No, it's right now.
When we accept that's possible,we uh we uh kind of go on this
track to where the inevitabilityof it is being shown.
So it's always accepting thatit's possible.
The ego's gonna throw out, no,it's not possible for you.
Look at you, you need anotherlifetime, right?

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Need another lifetime to workthis out.
You're too stubborn, stupid,you're too bitchy.
Love your bitchiness, love yourbitchiness.
That's the thing.
You know, it's like if you'rebitchy, that's pain.

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How do you deal with pain?
You love it up, feel what'sgoing on, feel that.
Where's that coming from?
Right?
It's always the themanifestation of it, is always
perfect.
I tell people, thank you forplaying, right?

SPEAKER_08 (20:09):
Like, oh, what was that?
Thank you for playing.
You know, it's better out thanin.
It's like a fart, right?
You know, it's like you'retrying to hold it in.
It's like it's like for me, thethings are just spoken.

SPEAKER_07 (20:30):
Like I was I was hiking with Diana yesterday, and
I was it and I was going up thisreally tricky thing.
It seemed tricky, you know, andall of a sudden the thought
occurred to me, shit, I can't dothis.
And then that's what came out ofmy mouth.
And as soon as I saw it come outof my mouth, I saw the way to do
it.
You know, it's like it just likeuh it come out of my mouth, and

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immediately, even as it's comingout of my mouth, probably, it's
like that isn't even true.
It's like immediately justmanifests.
It's like, oh yeah, better outthan in, you know.
Like if you're trying to make acertain image and you're afraid
to just express, then you can'tsee things as quickly.

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Like, you know, if you just letyourself express, no one's
looking at you but you.
Let them have theirinterpretation.
That's the one they need.
That's the interpretation theyneed.
And you just be natural, you'rethe observer of that, you're
witnessing your naturalreactions, responses, and in

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that you can be embraced.
So let's proceed to paragraph10, sentence five.

Here's what it says (21:43):
readiness, however, is at least an
indication that you believe thisis possible.
So that's mastery of love.
That's the this that he'stalking about.
Readiness, he's saying before hewas saying, look, readiness
isn't mastery.

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He's cautioning us, right?
But readiness is at least, hesays, an indication that you
believe this mastery of love ispossible.
Yay! Okay.
So what is being mastered?

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Look, not it's not the ego'sconcept of love, it's not
emotional, it's not personal,it's not this conditional love
that's normally going, but it'sthe Christ's ability to extend
love as it truly is.
You know, it's like that'swhat's natural for you.
That's what's totally natural.
It's just these blocks to it areblocking it from occurring.

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This is pure love, it'simpersonal, it's infinite.
You can sense it in yourself.
You know, you can't reallyextend anything that you haven't
received.
Sense that it's beyond form,it's a direct expression of
truth in you.
Okay, the mastery of love.
This is it's who you are, soit's natural.

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So this is a turning point herefrom fear to love, is what Jesus
is saying.
This readiness that you have,because believing in the
possibility of it is allowing itto be made true for you.
Up till now, the ego's beenarguing, saying mastery is

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impossible for you in thislifetime.
You know, a lot of this is justkind of like going on on
underneath the surface.
Yeah, maybe in this lifetime.
The thing is, it's now, that'swhy you it's now that you accept
the possibility, and when youaccept the possibility, that

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right there is a release.
You can come to accepting thepossibility over and over again
as the ego is telling you,you're not gonna get this,
you're too dense, you don't evenwant to read a course in
miracles.
You'd rather play video games onyour phone.

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That's me I'm talking about,right?
Come to find out, you can becoming to the mastery of love
while playing video games onyour phone.
Yeah, aren't you glad aboutthat?

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Uh the doership in the world,this is the thing to remember
that helps with this, is ahundred percent helpful.
No matter what evaluation theego is giving it, it's a hundred
percent helpful, and when youuse it that way, that really is
the mastery.

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You're using whatever is arisingin the experience in that way.
So the ego thought systemtotally rests on this belief
that you can't get this, isn'tthat so fun?

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So, so we're flipping thataround.
We're only in chapter two ofthis thing, it's got 30
chapters, it goes deep fast,like you just accept all this
right now, and that's it.
You're just reading a Course inMiracles for fun.
Maybe you're like helping peopleout by having ACIM meetings or

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something, I don't know.
Oh, okay.
So Jesus is revealing here thatonce you become ready, even
slightly, this speaks to thatlittle bit of willingness it
talks about all throughout thecourse, you've already
contradicted the ego'sfoundation.

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Foundation.
This is its foundational premisethat you're not you can never
get this.
You're a tiny whatever's you'renever gonna get this.
So he's saying the moment you'reready, that is undoing the
disbelief already.

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So you've accepted a newpremise.
You can say no if you don't wantthis.
You've accepted a new premise.
This is possible for me.
The mastery of love is possiblefor me, and it's not later on,
it's not even next week.

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Right?
You don't even need one morething.
It's possible for me.

SPEAKER_00 (27:01):
It's already happening.

SPEAKER_07 (27:02):
I just don't think it needs to be that's right, but
when you think it's notpossible, and really that's just
a listening to the ego thought.
When you listen to the egothought that it's not possible,
you know, you get that egoreaction going too.
It's not in that moment.
Your mind is like reallypowerful to make illusions, it's

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not anything's possible.
So when you go, okay, thismastery of love is possible for
me, it's like a crack in thisarmor that you've put around
your Christ self.
It's like the light starts tostart to shine through this
crack in the armor every time.

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This is possible for me rightnow.
There's no circumstance, there'sno situation that's blocking me.
There's no train of thoughtsthat keeps on coming back over
and over again and loopingaround again that's blocking me.
Let more light in.
So readiness is the mind's firstyes to God.

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We're affirming there's apossibility of this.
This says, I am not hopeless,right?
I've got something here.
God's will is for me.
I'm saying, God's will is forme.
This is my own will.
It's signaling the mind hasalready begun returning.

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So now everything that comes isfor that.
That's what's what to remember.
The ego is gonna say, This isimpossible.
The way I feel with my brother,for instance, this is
impossible, he's impossible,right?
But the Holy Spirit is sayingsomething in me is recognizing

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the this is possible, you know,it'll be a like a playful little
smirk on the Holy Spirit'simaginary face, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (29:16):
Come on, you can see this.

SPEAKER_05 (29:21):
Isn't there a teaching about how the mind is
always or the ego is alwayslooking for relief, and relief
could be that there's nothing tolive for, but it's appearing,
and love is right here.

SPEAKER_07 (29:35):
Well, the ego is looking for relief in another
time.

SPEAKER_08 (29:42):
Not now.
That's why it's not gonna happennow.
Right.
Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_07 (29:50):
The ego is always trying to help you get relief,
but not right now.
It's coming later, after at theend of this train of thought.

SPEAKER_08 (30:07):
Isn't that so fun?
That's why I'm saying when youdo you see that?
I've got so many truth bombs onthe ego is like we got this
later.

SPEAKER_07 (30:19):
Yeah.
We got this tomorrow.

SPEAKER_06 (30:22):
We got this.
Once you listen to me and dothis, then that's right.

SPEAKER_01 (30:27):
If you do this now, this is what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_07 (30:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (30:31):
Later.

SPEAKER_07 (30:32):
Yeah, that's right.
So yeah, the ego is alwaystrying to help you get relief,
but not right now.
And that's like I'm having theuh you're gonna get you're gonna
get amazed too when you see it.
When you just notice thatfrustration arise and the

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downward spiral spiral, and youlet it be a signal, nothing more
than a signal.
It has no reality.
That's why it keeps on repeatingover and over again in the
Course in Miracles.
The world is based on error andstuff like that, right?
Has no reality, so you can justwithdraw any belief in it in the

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moment and feel the difference.
You'll feel that familiar sense,and then you know you could just
do that anytime.
There's no thing that's gonnaarise in your perception that's
gonna prevent you from doingthat after you've seen it and
you've done it the first time.
You kind of develop a knack forit, so just use it over and over

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again.
Something works.

SPEAKER_05 (31:40):
I was seeing the seeker's belief that you know
it's not gonna happen today,that it's probably gonna happen
tomorrow.
Uh probably tomorrow, right?
The seeker really wants to seek.

SPEAKER_07 (31:53):
Yeah, the seeker wants to seek, right?
Well, yeah, it's an ego identitythat that's what it does.

SPEAKER_05 (32:00):
It keeps on seeking strong in this, you know, an
all-spiritual keeps in thisfeature.

SPEAKER_10 (32:07):
Can you keep a real life situation?
Like if you're you're insomething and something just is
getting scratchy.
It doesn't matter what we'retalking about.
It doesn't matter if it's aperson or playing pickleball and
you're not playing well, itdoesn't matter.
Okay, anything at all.
What do you do?
Do you literally I mean, do youliterally say this is an
illusion or that's the ego, orwhat what's your process that

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gets you out of the ego into thelove thing?

SPEAKER_07 (32:32):
Like I I feel the effect of the thought, and in
that recognize that the thoughtis not true.
Okay, the underlying belief isnot true.
So any thoughts that circulateto tell me why I feel that way,
maybe Janie on the pickleballcourt is being a bitch or
something like that.

unknown (32:55):
Right.

SPEAKER_07 (32:57):
And then and so then you feel because you're talking
about yourself, so you you knowyou're aware of all these
concepts.
You've probably been studyingfor a little bit, and you're
aware of all these concepts,right?
And so feel what that effect isbecause you're using thoughts in
the moment, projected thoughts,to uphold that feeling and make

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it continue.
So you want to see what thoseare so you can withdraw value to
them.
See that, yes, because Janieisn't there, she's not her uh
her bitchiness is just coming upto show you something, and you

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don't have to take that aspersonal at all.
You remember love and a call forlove.
Oh my gosh, Janie's calling forlove.
What a sweetie! And Holy Spiritwork through me, however, that
looks I'm not in charge.
See, so then you just keep onhaving a good ass time playing

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pickleball.
You know you're not in charge.
I don't really play pickleball.
I don't know if I'm doing theright the motion, right motions.
That was good.
You know, you're having a greattime, and then Janie realizes,
wow, I I feel a lot better,right?

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Because you don't keep thisfeeling to yourself, you're not
alone in experiencing.
So when you allow yourself toexperience the embrace, the love
of God, whatever someone else isgoing through, if Janie seems to
be being a bitch, that's a callfor love.

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She needs some love.
Oh, that's how that's how a callfor love is coming across.
Comes across through distortionlike that.
Isn't that fun?
And it's all coming from yourown mind.
So it's asking for a gift fromyou to you.

SPEAKER_01 (34:59):
You touched on feeling the feeling instead of
just trying to change thefeeling, right?
Is that right?
That's right, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (35:07):
So the feeling is uh it's an effect of the underlying
belief.
Okay, that's a secret belief,let's say it's uh it's in the
unconscious mind, and so afeeling will arise and actually
come first before the thoughtsthat justify and explain and
defend it.
Okay, so that's the point rightthere where you stop and

(35:32):
embrace, you don't even have tostop what you're doing, but you
stop chasing the thoughts thatare just arising to explain and
defend and justify the feeling,and you just let the feeling
burn in the body sense.
It's a good burn, it really is.
Yeah, you ever go to the gym?

(35:53):
This is what it seems like tome.
I don't know, maybe you don't doit at the gym.
I was just doing it today inblock therapy.
I was holding my leg up for awhile, right?
And I was using my glutemuscles, and then all of a
sudden I started to feel thisline of energy flow down my leg.
And it was hot, but it wasopening.

(36:14):
It's kind of like that.
You know, it's like you get thatkind of burning sensation that
you know is opening.
That's what it's like to embraceyour feelings, especially when
you're first starting out.
Right?
Because the ego's way is tosuppress the feeling, try to
change the feeling, try to findout what happened in your

(36:35):
childhood.
We were going over that before,too.
Uh, it was a little earlier onhow it doesn't originate in
childhood.
You know, trying to like go toyour childhood and try to fix
something over there.
It's just a matter of embracingthe feeling, recognizing I can't
escape this.
I have to go through this.
And I started doing that as akid because you know, I had five

(36:59):
younger brothers and sisters,and I was the oldest, and we
would all pile into the backseatof a car that was for three
people, right?
And my brothers and sisterswould seem to be so freaking
annoying.
Oh my god, I just wanted tostrangle someone or clobber
someone or something.
And I go, there's no way out ofthis.

(37:22):
I was like 10 years old.
I was like, I just have to sitthrough these feelings, I just
have to sit through this stuff,and so that was the first time I
noticed.
Oh, that is real power because Iwas getting into a peaceful
place in that.
You know, it didn't reallymatter what happened in the car.
Stinky ass dog.

(37:42):
There's a thought arising.
Why the fuck do we even have adog?
We live in a car.

SPEAKER_08 (37:57):
You know, my little kid minds going, I can't handle
this.

SPEAKER_07 (38:14):
All right, so you're feeling good about this?
Okay, so so this readiness whereyou're going, okay, this is
possible for me.
This is saying, you know,mastery has been accepted.
So you can, I can't repeat thisenough to you guys, accept
everything that comes in fromhere forward as part of that,

(38:41):
perfect for that.
Every thought, every wave, everyrelationship, you can't get it
wrong.
You have already accepted this.
You've accepted that mastery ispossible.
Now everything is coming tosupport you in seeing that to
fruition.
It's inevitable.

(39:02):
That, but you know, you couldpush it away and make it take
longer and make a lot of painfor yourself in the process,
which, yeah, you don't wantthat, right?
By by going back to I'm notgonna do this, I'm not good
enough, and all that kind ofstuff.
No, you're doing it, it's on.

(39:23):
It's kind of like you're givingbirth and you can't run away.

SPEAKER_10 (39:27):
Okay, past the point of no return.
And you are doing mastery, so itresolves the need for
resistance, right?

SPEAKER_07 (39:36):
You know, it's it's kind of like in birth, you know.
Uh the common way people givebirth is to like clench their
uterus up instead of let thebaby just come out.
So it's like that, where it'slike it's prolonging all the
pain and all the crying andstuff like that.
Whereas you could just like stopcrying and be feeling your
feelings and take a big assexhale, and your uterus will

(39:58):
just go.
Right, the more you relax, theeasier this goes.
It's gonna get intense, but notany feelings you can't handle.

SPEAKER_10 (40:16):
This is easy, all of it's so big.

SPEAKER_07 (40:20):
Uh-huh.
That's what all those feelingsare.
They're resistance to love, fearof love.
You go through them by feelingthem.
You're way bigger than anyfeeling.
Speaking of big, you're waybigger.
You're the one embracing thefeeling.
The feeling seems like come inwhen you don't when you're not

(40:41):
aware of this, you think you'reuh a person.
The feeling seems to come inlike a freight train and like
knock you over, right?
But when you're aware, you'relike, Oh, there's a feeling, and
you embrace the feeling.
Oh, you're you're you're thewhole universe, you're so big,
you can embrace any feeling.
It's just gonna get intense tothe ego.

(41:01):
You're not the ego.
The ego's gonna experienceintensity.
Let's say that.
Or the experience is gonna besome ego experiencing intensity.
You do not experience any of theintensity, you can embrace all
the intensity.
The more you do it, the more yousee you've got this ability.

(41:25):
So, readiness is holy, it'sevidence that you're returning
to sanity.
The mind has reversed direction,gone away from impossibility to
thinking that's for otherpeople, that's for people that
go live in a cave somewhere.
We don't need that.
It's not you don't need anyoneto do anything different.

(41:47):
The different occurs, anyways.
It's just change, it just goes.
Uh, we're going toward divinecertainty.
We're already aligned with thewill of God, it's just a matter
of accepting that, rememberingthat.
So Jesus put a lot of emphasison readiness in this chapter.

(42:10):
Um, it's the moment you're justyou just stop denying your
inheritance, you accept what is,you accept yourself that's one,
you accept the manifest self asperfect for undoing the belief
in separation, just perfect forthat.
See, even even small amount ofwillingness, inconsistent

(42:35):
willingness, you see willingnesssurrounded by doubt, doesn't
matter.
Recognize this as tremendousspiritual process.
It's a it's a you could say youcould say you have progressed so
much.
Once you you're ready, you'reready to accept the possibility

(42:56):
that you can master this, evenif it's wavering, recognize this
is tremendous progress, and behappy about that.
Thoughts like I don't know if Ican do this, I'm not far along
enough, none of those need tomean anything to you anymore.

(43:16):
That's the end of those.
I'm ready, I'm here I am, Lord.
Right?
And who is Lord?
You're talking to yourself,there's only one.
So readiness believes, or readyreadiness means that I believe

(43:36):
this is possible.
I believe math three ispossible.
That means the doors open, theprocess began.
God's will is moving me.
Don't doubt that.
You don't have to doubt that.
You can, it's just gonna makethe whole thing take longer.
I'm all about speeding you up,Matt.
Warp speed.

SPEAKER_08 (43:59):
We don't need to take longer.
Today's the day.
Yes.

SPEAKER_07 (44:07):
So let's honor this readiness.
Ready, you see that it'spossible, that's all you accept
this is possible.
Mastery of love is possible forme right now.
That's readiness.
Honor that as evidence thatChrist is active in your mind.

(44:29):
Okay, it's already Christ hasalready been remembered a
little, let's say, and that'senough because you that little
crack and so it's a matter offor you to see it, it's a matter
of when you're willing to acceptthis.
All right, simple willing,little bit of willingness, it's

(44:50):
not insignificant, it's a signthat you're already destined for
the full willingness, totalmastery.
Okay, that's you're just totallywilling in the moment.
All right, I'm checking to seeif you guys have any questions.
Nope, you're just you're justchilling.
Thank you for chilling.

(45:10):
I love you.
I'm glad you're enjoying Kalama.
I love you.
Yay, Rory.
Woo! Good to see you guys.
Okay, are you guys ready foranother sentence?
All right, we're still in themastery of love.
Paragraph 10 to sentence six.
This is only the beginning ofconfidence.

(45:38):
So you've accepted.
Oh, thank you.
That's awesome.
I didn't even know I wantedthat.
So you've accepted thepossibility of mastering love.
That's signaling your readiness.
Okay, so readiness, thisreadiness, it's the seed of

(46:00):
confidence.
It's not confidence itself, it'sthe beginning of it.
Now you start to use it.
You start to use this readiness.
You start to put it intopractice, and it shows you over
time.
So this sentence, here it isagain.
This is only the beginning ofconfidence.

(46:23):
This is acknowledging yourprogress while also keeping it
in a proper context for you.
It's not to be dismissed, it'snot underestimated or anything
here.
It's evidence that the mind isshifting.
At the same time, he wants youto know that this is the
beginning of confidence.

(46:44):
It's not the culmination.
So you don't have to feelconfident to do this.
We're not requiring this.
So confidence means certainty intruth.
You don't need to be certain, iswhat he's saying.
You don't need to be certainabout the truth.
It's just, you know, and it'salso certainty of truth and

(47:08):
total absence of doubt, too.
That's the kind of confidenceit's talking about in a course
in miracles.
Okay.
So this is the condition wherethe mind is not vacillating
anymore.
The kind of confidence it'stalking about.
It's not going back and forth,it's steady, it's consistently
aware of love as its reality.

(47:29):
That's the destination of everysingle one of us.
It's just a it's a process ofcoming to know and see this and
use it like this.
So readiness is like a spark ofthat certainty.
The certainty is alreadypresent.
That's why it's a spark ofcertainty.

(47:50):
You're just coming to it.
It's like you're coming back toit.
So it's turn your mind isturning toward trust.
It's willing to be taught, andyou're taught right through the
particulars of your life.
There's nothing to get to later,it's right now.
And this is inevitable thatyou're going to the final goal

(48:13):
of this, which is total uhmastery that doesn't waver,
complete confidence.
So it's the sentence isreassuring and it's also
orienting.
It's going, okay, you could see.
Do you have complete confidence?
Uh, if not, that's okay.
Keep going, don't stop.
The beginning of confidence isit's not it's not some small

(48:37):
thing.
This is a this is an importantstep in the undoing.
So this is just the beginning ofit.
This readiness is the beginningof confidence.
Uh, so if there's doubt, you'regonna, you know, you're gonna
probably perceive doubt if youhaven't gotten to the space
where you're confident.
It seems to take more of almostmore of like maybe some uh I

(49:02):
don't know what you say,gumption or something like that
to see through it, like becausethere's all this doubt because
your confidence isn't there yetthat it's even gonna do
anything, it's even gonna help,that it's even gonna work, you
know.
Uh, I can give you a goodexample that's coming to my mind
right now.
At one point, when my son was19, one of my sons was 19, um,

(49:25):
he was downstairs wrestling, itsounded like with the vacuum.
So I go down there and I'm like,wow, the vacuum got its ass
kicked.
Like there is the vacuum lintall over the place, the whole
thing was messed up.
This guy was pissed, right?
So I walk in there and and andand I'm aware, I'm like, whoa,

(49:49):
because once I hear thecommotion from upstairs, I'm
like, okay, there's theopportunity.
There's an opportunity righthere.
So uh, so I go down there andand he's in my face, yelling at
me, and I'm like, and I'm like,okay, okay, uh-huh, all right.
And I'm feeling what I'm doingis I'm I'm feeling.
I'm feeling I'm going, okay, I'mopening to the experience

(50:11):
instead of pushing it away.
I'm feeling right.
So he turns around, he punchesthe wall, he punches a hole in
the wall.
Um, and I go, how do you feelafter that?
You know, and he and and he'slike, not so good.
I don't feel so good after that.
I wish I didn't just do that.
You know, you could tell theemotion's still real high, you
know, and it seems like it's allabout me.

(50:32):
It seems like I'm the one who's,and I'm like, oh good, what
better person?
I know what to do with this.
So it seems like it's completelyabout me, right?
So I'm just feeling with him,feeling with him, feeling with
him, and then uh and then hestorms by me, goes over, gets
one of my baking dishes.
I was baking sourdough bread outof one of these fancy clay

(50:55):
things, throws it on the ground,and then comes up to me, and
then it looks like he's aboutready to manhandle me, right?
And I noticed this sense of feararise in me, and then
immediately just embrace thatfear and recognize, oh, that's
not true, right?
So then he stopped short ofcoming up on me like that,

(51:16):
right?
And there was this major uhturmoil going on that was
arising within my perception,which I'm knowing is coming from
myself, so I can embrace thesensation of it and feel with
him, feel the sensation, right?

(51:38):
And just that being and holdingspace and being present with it
just allowed it to play itselfout.
Uh, and then I ended up leavingbecause I had a warm pond date
with someone, so I just left.
And his dad was home, so I Isaid goodbye to his dad, aloha

(51:59):
to his dad, and and uh and Ididn't say anything about any of
the situation that justoccurred.
I knew it would play outperfectly, and then their
interaction turned out.
It was such it was so amazingbecause uh my husband and his
dad went wild with rage, and hewas about ready to go kick his

(52:22):
ass because he knew it was himwhen he saw the broken dish and
all this.
He was like about ready to gokick his ass.
He's like wild with rage.
He goes in there and and and myson looks at him, he's like,
Dad, I was angry, and now I'mjust feeling really sad.
And he just started crying, andthey caressed each other, and

(52:46):
the and by the time I got homefrom the warm pond, they're just
just chilling almost like youknow, in a almost like in an
embrace, as they would, youknow, they're really like a foot
apart, but there's the sense ofan embrace.

SPEAKER_08 (53:05):
They're very manly, yes, they're both very manly.

SPEAKER_07 (53:11):
Yeah, it was uh it was like there's just this sense
of just peace and calm in theplace, and I notice a shift in
my son and everything thatoccurred after that, you know,
and you could see how that couldgo away if you're uh a certain
way, if you're believingthoughts like about how this

(53:33):
shouldn't be happening.
Oh my god, oh my god, and allthat kind of stuff.
But it's like just willingnessto use it in the moment, and you
know, in the moment, sure doubtswould arise, you know.
This is really bad.
Oh, there's a hole in the wall,that's really bad, you know.
And it's like for me, it's likeit just doesn't even uh it
didn't even make any sense.

(53:54):
A thought came up, oh shit, thisis really bad.
There's a hole in the wall.
Who cares?
Like it's an illusion, you know,illusory wall.

SPEAKER_08 (54:03):
We're doing way deeper work than this.

SPEAKER_09 (54:08):
I'm gonna focus on the wall, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (54:11):
Yeah, I think that punch mark is still there to
this day, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (54:24):
Things need to come up, right?
So it's like it's better outthan in.
That's how I see it.
And it's like this is uh this isthe way of uh seeing that that
there's nothing that can harmus, too.
You know, I love to get thesense that something's gonna be
harmful.
It's fun for me, right?
Then someone's walking.

SPEAKER_08 (54:45):
I've had a Hawaiian guy, man.
He's just like right in my face.
My friend rear-ended him, andthen my friend was uh my my
friend was uh like my friend wasdriving the car, but I kind of
like walked up there like I wasthe one driving the car.

SPEAKER_07 (55:00):
Like, let me just like go handle this, and he's
just like right in my face withhis chest out and stuff like
that.
I'm like, ah, this is perfectfor me.
I love it.
You know, sometimes we'll make amove like they're gonna do
something to you, and I'm like,wow, this is amazing, you know,
because it's all annoying, it'sall coming from you, and then

(55:23):
notice that guy, you know, justcalm gently calm down as time
went on, just gently calm down.
He did walk away from me, comeback, look at me from a
distance, and why are youlooking at me like that?

SPEAKER_08 (55:35):
I don't know, my face is funny.
I don't know what to do withthis thing sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 (55:46):
Right.
So can I um interject something?
Like so, every so what I hearyou say is everything, situation
that comes up, it's anopportunity for us to feel.
Is it that we have something tofeel that comes first and we
project it to feel it?

(56:07):
Or as you do the course and andrelease more and more, the less
you have to release, or is it anunconscious thing of we gotta
feel some anger here?
So we project that first to feelit.

SPEAKER_07 (56:21):
It's the well, it's the underlying thought of
separation.
So with the thought ofseparation, it seems like things
are threatening, so it'sconstantly manifesting things
that are threatening, but it's afeeling first, it's feeling
threatened, and then a and andthen a thing manifests off of
that.
So that's the order of it, butit doesn't seem to be in that

(56:43):
order, it seems to be in thereverse order.
It seems it seems like a thinghappened that caused the
feeling.

SPEAKER_01 (56:49):
So as you progress in your experience in your
journey, do you have those lessand less of those feelings that
come up of anger or not?

SPEAKER_07 (57:02):
Well, they're not resisted, that's the thing.
So they become more joyful, evenany of those kinds of feelings.
See, there's lots of little onesall throughout the day.
What I what I just uh gave anexample of is what you would
call a big one, right?
But there's lots of little onesall throughout the day, so it's

(57:23):
using those little upsets allthroughout the day, and what I
notice is that's what had meprepared to handle something
like that, because I'd beenwilling to use all the tiny
upsets all throughout the day.
I'm not waiting for a big one topop up, so then I'm like really
well practiced by that pointbecause I've been meeting all of

(57:45):
those little ones.
So, you know, really the ego'sgoing, spare me from any of this
hard stuff.
You know, I don't want to havethis hard things coming up.
The thing is, as you go throughit, it doesn't even seem hard.
You're not trying to do withoutanything, like these kinds of

(58:06):
any any kind of event where itseems like it's a big deal and
it seems to strike fear, you'rejust like, oh yay, you just you
it's it's easier and easier, youget better and better at that.
Uh, you know, when you don'tneed to see any more of anything
that seems to trigger anything,that's when your mind is
completely purified, but thenthat's a state that doesn't even

(58:28):
last because it's still in form.

SPEAKER_01 (58:34):
So you have no really control over your
feelings, but just what you dowith that.
Right.
They're arising automatically,just all they're just there, and
it's like hello, all the time.

SPEAKER_11 (58:46):
Right, okay, and you have nothing to do with them
anyway, but feeling.

SPEAKER_03 (58:51):
Yeah, and something that's really been working for
me is noticing resistance or anysort of like feeling that the
body's going no right, and tosay yes and hear, here, yeah,
there's gonna be a pushing away.

SPEAKER_07 (59:13):
That's what that's what I would tune into.
So so so, like when I was stillupstairs and I heard the
commotion with the back with avacuum, I already was noticing
the pushing away and beingreleased from that pushing away.
So that by the time I got downto where my son was with the
vacuum, I was ready foranything.

(59:34):
I was just stoked and ready foranything.
And I'm just like noticing mybreath, noticing uh and and also
noticing nothing's wrong.
That's why I could just get inmy car and go to the warm pond.
I'm sure nothing's wrong.
I'm sure everything's I'm gonnaonce I come back, probably by
the time I come back, it's gonnabe all freaking sweet.

SPEAKER_01 (59:54):
So the resistance has to have a story for
resistance.

SPEAKER_07 (59:57):
Yes, it does to keep on.
Continuing on.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:01):
Right.

SPEAKER_07 (01:00:01):
Yeah.
Like this is something bad.
What am I going to do aboutthis?

SPEAKER_08 (01:00:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:00:05):
How many uh more things is he gonna break?
You know, how much is this gonnacost?

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:10):
I'm not feeling joyful, so there's something
wrong with me.
I'm not doing the whatever.

SPEAKER_07 (01:00:14):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:14):
No, no, those embrace it and accept it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:00:17):
Right.
So it's not, it's it's notwhat's coming up in terms of
feelings or thoughts that reallyshows your progress.
It's what you would do with itin the moment.
That's what really shows yourprogress.
You know, that reveals to you,you're like, wow, I have really
come a long way.
I could stand in that withoutfreaking out, acting like we got

(01:00:37):
to call the cops or some crazyscenario.

SPEAKER_06 (01:00:40):
I can just say you're extending love.

SPEAKER_07 (01:00:43):
Right.
I'm not making any of it wrong.

SPEAKER_06 (01:00:46):
Something's going on, like with my brother, and
I'm extending love.
Oh, this is working, and thenthere comes the confidence.
Yes, feeling.
Yes, you see it.
The anger for I didn't feel itthis last trip.
Not saying I I was perfect outevery time I just I just notice,

(01:01:07):
like, oh, this doesn't feel likelove.
Take a breath.
How am I gonna respond withlove?
Whether to myself or him.

SPEAKER_07 (01:01:16):
It switches very fast.
You can expect you can expect asudden change, like right now.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:22):
Because I can't imagine going, oh, I'm feeling
love over every situation.
It's like I'm gonna feel hurt,I'm gonna feel anger, I'm gonna
feel something first.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:32):
Yeah, you're gonna I'll say this doesn't feel like
love, so check in instead ofprojecting and yelling at him.
Yeah, like I'm not like here,right?
You feeling I'm ready.

SPEAKER_10 (01:01:44):
And I think our delusion spiritually is like we
get to this harmonious placewhere nothing upsets us.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:51):
No, yeah, you're always gonna feel yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:01:55):
Well, you know, what I notice, what I notice is for
me, nothing upsets uh upsets me.
It's it's just that's just howit is.
If I get a sense that I'm upset,I know nothing has upset me.
Like it just it just can't beso, right?
And that's from seeing over andover again, you guys.
I started doing this so a longtime ago.

SPEAKER_10 (01:02:18):
That's mastery anchor, yes.

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:20):
Uh-huh.
Good job.
What's that?

SPEAKER_10 (01:02:22):
That's a mastery anchor.

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:23):
What does that mean?

SPEAKER_10 (01:02:25):
Just what you're sharing is that freedom, uh-huh.

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:29):
Right.
Yeah.
So so what I'm saying is, yeah,you don't have to, and no, you
don't have to uh suffer anymore.
Like that's what Jesus is sayingright here, and you can just
decide you're not gonna do itanymore.
And you know, at first you'llyou'll see yourself, okay.
I see how I didn't open up allthe way in that situation.

(01:02:51):
That's okay.
It's every single one you'reyou're learning, you're seeing
more and more.
I've had an instance beforewhere you know my son could see
that I'm totally annoyed withhim.
And he's like, Mom, you aretotally annoyed with me right
now, aren't you?
And I was like, No, it is notpossible for me to be annoyed
with you.
I am feeling annoyed, but that'sbecause of my thoughts.

(01:03:15):
And you know, when I just saidthat to him, he's like, Really,
mom, is that really the case?
I'm like, Yes, it is, eventhough I wasn't feeling it, I
wasn't feeling it, I was full ofdoubt.
But me just saying it, yes, yes,that's what it is, that's what
it is.
I could feel it in my body'senergy field that some stuff was

(01:03:38):
getting undone right therebecause I was like, it doesn't
feel like it, it feels like it'syou who's annoying me.
I didn't say that to him, right?
Because people don't understandthat, that's not right.
It feels like it really feelslike it's him that's annoying
me, and it's really strong likethat.
But I'm going, no, it can't be.

(01:04:00):
Yeah, this is it has to be myown.
And so practicing like that overyears with the family, you know,
when this occurred, I was livingwith uh with my husband and um
younger kids when it reallystarted to ramp up like this,
and so doing it with the familyreally helped me see a lot of
things because I had alreadybuilt up a lot of annoyances

(01:04:23):
about kids from being a kid withmy brothers and sisters, just
built up all those theseannoyances.
But what Jesus is saying, youdon't have to go back and fix
anything, you just withdrawbelief from that now that
they're annoying you.
Kids were so annoying to me.
Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_10 (01:04:43):
What I found what I'm hearing you is that it's all
about the practice, you know,like a muscle, like at the gym.
And in the beginning, talkingabout me, it was practicing on
the little things so that when abigger thing comes, you're more
prepared.
Or of course, you'd love to be,I would love to be 100%
prepared, but sometimes it'sjust but I think that it for me

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it's I'm fascinated with somedays where someone will say
something, and I'm just like,oh, that's funny.
And it's just like oil andwater, it's just uh doesn't hit
me at all, doesn't enter,doesn't enter at all.
It's just completely washed off.
And I actually inside I'm like,wow, you did a good job on that,
Karen.

SPEAKER_11 (01:05:23):
You you didn't let that get in at all.

SPEAKER_10 (01:05:25):
And then maybe later in the day, I just got church on
that.
Later in the day, somebody sayssomething to me, and I'm like,
that went directly right to myheart.
I'm irritated, you know, it wentright into I'm like, well,
that's obviously where you havea wound.
Because the other thing, I quiteit like this.
If someone walks up to me andsays, Oh my gosh, your hair,

(01:05:47):
it's green, it's justridiculous.
It looks stupid.
Why did you dye it?
I'd be like, Well, that's funny,it's not green, and you know, it
doesn't bother me at all.
That's the you know, watch.
But if somebody comes up andsays something that's in one of
my wounds when I where I haveshank, oh my gosh, yeah, it just
goes right in like a knife, andI'm like, and so that's what I'm

(01:06:09):
working on.
I'm working on those things,those things are great, those
little, those are easy, greatwork.

SPEAKER_11 (01:06:16):
That stuff, that's easy, but it's the bigger wounds
where I'm like, I'm working onthat.

SPEAKER_10 (01:06:20):
So any tips on that, because I'm uh I'm working on
that, and I know I mean I'mtrying and I'm willing and I'm
ready and all that.
So I'm yeah, just I know I'mlooking at it, going, You're not
there yet.

SPEAKER_07 (01:06:32):
I'm like, I know, I'm trying, just not there yet.
I'm trying, let it go in.
Yeah, not there yet is also timebound, so you don't have to let
that thought have any kind ofmeaning, right?
Right.

SPEAKER_10 (01:06:45):
What would you do with something where you you you
know that you have this woundthat you're you're you're trying
to heal the wound?

SPEAKER_07 (01:06:52):
Yeah, so so it's it's rolling around.
So when you're saying you knowyou have this this wound and you
want to hear the the wound, it'srolling around and it keeps on
coming back a bunch of times,right?
So this is what's giving you theopportunity for you to see that
you're projecting that painright now.
Okay, that's all, and you feelit, and you know, I'll tell you,

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it's so lovely.
It's like, ah, it's almost likeyou fall into the arms of your
beloved because you just allowyourself to have that feeling
sense and be released fromeverything that holds it up, and
when it moves over, it's like itallows this beautiful sense.
I notice it in the heart, uhit's like a really big opening

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and just keeps on opening.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:39):
Yes, it's what I was gonna say.
What about trying bringing thebelief I have this wound to the
truth?

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:46):
Yeah, there's no way, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:49):
We're here, you're ready, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:07:54):
So so it so basically, you know what you're
saying when you're saying I havethis wound, these are thoughts
that you've been thinking aboutyourself in secret.
Okay, all right.
So now someone's making them uhvisible out in the open.
These are your thoughts.
You gave them the script.
So that's what you mean whenyou're saying, I have this

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wound.
So this is like what you cansay.
Uh, it's good metaphorically, ofcourse, you don't have a wound.
It's good metaph metaphoricallyto to recognize, okay, the
they're speaking my mind,basically, what I'm talking to
myself in secret, right?
So this is where your correctioncomes in.

(01:08:39):
Those thoughts that are you'retalking to yourself in secret,
they're getting corrected.
See, that's what these apparent,let's say apparent wounds are
for.
They're to show you, ouch.
What does that ouch mean?
It means I'm talking this kindof shit to myself in secret.
That's what it means.

(01:08:59):
This is the kind of stuff I'msaying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I well, you know, you could sayyou could say like this, you
it's like there's a belief inthe unconscious mind that you've
been following over and overagain.
So these are blocks to theawareness of love.
This is how it gets unblocked.

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Yay, I'm glad you're loving it,Christine.
I love you.
Thank you.
Thank you for joining everyone.
All right.
So celebrate readiness rightnow.
It's a it says right now, it'sevidence that you're already

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responding to love.
No matter how good or bad youseem to do in the moment, you're
always learning.
Use every experience forlearning, for seeing more and
more.
I've had it, I've had oneswhere, you know, I've been in
this thing with my daughterwhere the energy started to
elevate like this, back andforth, back and forth, and just

(01:10:03):
go, forget everything I justsaid about you.
That was about me.
And then this is like silence,like she's serious, right?
And then there's and and andthen there's this like, yeah, it
was totally not.
And you know, I've just I've hadI've had interactions like that
where I'm just like, that wasnot about you, that was about

(01:10:24):
me.
That's like really honest, youknow, and it and and then the
person can see that um there'sno conflict, so then you're not
in any kind of conflict, it'sjust like, hey, everything I
just said, that was about me.
I have bitched to my husbandbefore for like 45 minutes about
one of our employees.
It was like 45 minutes, and thenI just go, all that was all

(01:10:47):
about me.

SPEAKER_08 (01:10:48):
And it wasn't easy to say that, but I knew it was
true, right?
I was talking some shit.

SPEAKER_10 (01:10:56):
And you said that one time you said to him, uh,
thanks for playing with me orsomething.

SPEAKER_08 (01:11:01):
I told him, Yeah, thank you for playing.
Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_10 (01:11:04):
We had some other shots going on.

SPEAKER_07 (01:11:06):
Yeah, yeah.
After I was on his case for likefour days.
So my husband, I I left myhusband last year.
Um, like left the marriage, youknow.
I still we're still really goodfriends and everything.
Um and and for many years he didnot like that I was doing these
the A Course in Miracles thingsand stuff like that.

(01:11:30):
Um, so there was a period oftime where I was pissed at him
for like two days for not seeingthis, right?
And I was badgering him.
It was two days, and at the endof two days, I said, you know,
all that stuff I've been sayingover the last two days, that was
all about me.

SPEAKER_08 (01:11:48):
You're fine, like you're perfect.
So then we just we just kept ongoing along until one point, one
at one point I got to the pointwhere I'm like, okay, I'm just
moving out now.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:01):
He's like, You're moving out.
I was like, Yeah, I'm movingout.
It's it's uh I'm called tosomething else.
And so now my husband's into acourse in miracles and ACIM deep
dives.
He listens to these two.
He's he's actually uh uh he he'sactually one of my most devout,
uh, I don't know if you sayfollower or something like that.

SPEAKER_08 (01:12:24):
Lover, lover, lover of Hope Johnson.
He's a lover of Hope Johnson anda lover of truth.
I was really happy about that.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:36):
So yeah, I just told him thank you for playing at the
end of two days.

SPEAKER_08 (01:12:42):
He's like, um, okay.
Oh, I don't have to do anythingdifferent.
Oh, thank goodness.
No, you're perfect.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:52):
And then I was with him like four or five more years
after that.
So, so so like for acontemplation question with this
one, it's like, am I willing tohonor this beginning, this
readiness as readiness andreadiness to be confident as
like a holy beginning withoutdemanding something of myself?

(01:13:14):
That's a thing, you know.
You don't need to demandyourself behave or perform in
any certain way, it'sinevitable.
This is the unfolding of God'swill for you.
What little bit of noticing youdo, even if you do a little bit
of noticing in some big thing,you're just coming back to the
awareness, the knowing I'vegiven this to myself.

(01:13:36):
This is it, this is what I'vegiven to myself, so I can see
clearly.
Each time you get any kind of anemotional trigger, you're going
into deeper joy if you allow it.
So you're gonna be glad aboutthe emotional triggers because
of that.
Yeah, it makes it really fun, itreally does.
You know, you're not, it's notlike you're afraid of getting

(01:13:57):
triggered, you're glad.
Like someone will tell me uhthis person is fucking pissed at
you.
And usually that happens whenI'll be telling someone's story
on wisdom dialogues, which I doon Mondays usually.

SPEAKER_08 (01:14:09):
And I'm like, oh good, good, I love that.

SPEAKER_07 (01:14:14):
I know something good is happening.
I know something big is goingon, right?
Because there's a now I got aperception that someone's pissed
at me.
Uh, you know, you know what I'mgonna do with that perception?
I'm gonna heal that perception.
It's really simple.
I'm just noticing the body senseof it, I'm embracing the

(01:14:34):
feeling.
It's okay.
I'm glad about it.
Someone comes up yelling at me,right, Diana?

SPEAKER_08 (01:14:42):
I'm like, I'm like, oh, good.
What's this gonna reveal?

SPEAKER_07 (01:14:54):
All right, you guys want to go on to another
sentence?
Let's do another sentence.
Okay, let me just check on mypeeps here.
Everyone's so quiet, they'rejust attentive and quiet.
I love you guys.
All right, paragraph 10,sentence seven.
This is a longer sentence.
In case this be misunderstood asa statement that an enormous

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amount of time will be necessarybetween readiness and mastery, I
would again remind you that timeand space are under my control.
Isn't that fun?
That's Jesus talking, in caseyou are not following along.

(01:15:50):
Then there's a footnote here,footnote 165.
It refers us back to the samechapter, chapter two, section
nine, and it says, I said thatChrist's control can take over
everything that doesn't matter.
I loved that section.
Oh my god, everything, and noneof this shit matters.

(01:16:13):
Christ's control can take overeverything that does not matter.
That means we don't have to,like, you know, my mind will go
to uh needing to ordersomething, for instance, on
Amazon, and I'll just noticeChrist control.

(01:16:33):
Don't need to think about that.

SPEAKER_08 (01:16:36):
The actual ordering itself will just occur.
Like my body will just move todo it.
I don't need to think about it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:16:43):
Like, oh yeah, okay, here's how it's gonna look.
It's gonna be like this, it'sgonna be at this time.
It's just like, oh, Christcontrol.
Everything's everything thatdoes not matter, and everything
in this world does not matter.
This is why you don't need anego.
There's this idea that we needan ego.
Maybe we could have a good ego.
No, there's no need for one ofthose.

(01:17:07):
Okay, so Jesus is anticipatinghere a fear-based
interpretation.
That's why he's saying, in casethis be misunderstood, right?
Uh, that the journey fromreadiness to mastery is gonna
take a long time, perhapslifetimes, right?
This is the idea.
Oh, we got as many as we need,right?
We could we could uh we could gowith fear all we want, kill

(01:17:30):
ourselves a million times.
It doesn't matter.
So the ego always is using timeto delay awakening.
I'm not ready yet.
I'm not there yet.
That's another one.
Okay.
This is something, uh, this issomething I started hearing a
lot when I came to Sedona,actually.
This is where I started to hearthis a lot.
I'm not there yet.

(01:17:51):
I'm like, that's this is amantra.
Is this what it takes to getinto the group?
I'm not there yet.
Is this what it takes to attend?
I'm here, right?
God, I'm here now.
It's not I'm not there yet.
The coming to know is now thatI'm there to yet, that's in

(01:18:14):
time.
That doesn't mean anything.
So he's anticipating that you'regonna think it takes a long
time, all right?
Like you're supposed to see somesigns or something.
No, the signs are you uhacknowledging, accepting who you
are in the moment.
That's the sign that youdemonstrate to yourself, all

(01:18:36):
right.
So this is completely undoingthe belief.
This, if you take this to heart,this is completely undoing the
belief that it takes any timefor the mastery of love.
It takes any time at all.
It takes no actually no time.
Um, so they're not obstacles,time and space, they're not

(01:18:58):
obstacles, these are teachingdevices.
That's all they're for.
So that's why he's sayingthey're under, what did he say?
They're under his control, timeand space.
And then the footnote supportsit that he takes care of
everything that does not matter.
You don't need to take care of,and nothing, nothing here

(01:19:19):
matters.
Everything can be handled byChrist on your behalf.
You just allow everything to behandled by Christ on your
behalf.
This is a mental movement, ithas nothing to do with external,
it's a mental movement.
See that because the mind isconstantly being hooked when
Jesus was talking about how muchwe don't watch our mind.

(01:19:42):
It's getting hooked on theparticulars of our lives.
Our mind isn't available becauseit's caught up in the
particulars of our lives that donot matter, he's saying.
None of this stuff matters.
So let the Christ take care ofall this.
So readiness and mastery,they're not separated by any

(01:20:02):
kind of linear duration.
This is not linear.
Think of it more like a spiral.
Okay, it's uh the onlyseparation, the only separation
that you're perceiving betweenreadiness and mastery is
actually willingness.

(01:20:24):
Your willingness to be it now,to receive it now.
When your will is not divided atall, mastery is instant.
I'm like, I don't care ifthere's a hole in the wall, I
don't care if my baking dish isover there, I don't care what
the neighbors think, I don'tmind whatever it is.

(01:20:45):
All I'm here to do is feel andextend love.
Easy.
I feel like my task is verysimple.
Right?
I just don't, it's a movie.
Right?
You can turn that in, you canturn that however you want.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:21:07):
So when your will isn't divided at all, there it
is.
Let just, you know, honor thatlittle bit of willingness that
you have, and as it grows, itgrows over apparent time, which
is more of a spiral than linear.
You're not really bound in time,you're just you have a belief in

(01:21:29):
time, so it seems to be done intime.

SPEAKER_10 (01:21:32):
I'm I'm kind of curious.

SPEAKER_07 (01:21:33):
I'm thinking about how our social world creates
this linear like sharing ofself, you know, and like
yesterday I did that such andsuch, and you know, that's how
conditioned that is in oursocial yeah, like like when

(01:21:55):
we're talking about tomorrowwe're gonna do this, or
yesterday we're gonna do this.
Come just coming into theknowing all the time that it's a
dream, and you're just kidding,right?
You're just kidding.
When you're talking about time,you're just like giving each
other like some parameters,yeah.

(01:22:16):
Exactly.
It's uh it's like when you'reyou know, you recognize when
you're looking at anything likethat, you're telling a story
last year, next year I'm gonnado this, I'm gonna be over here,
whatever.
Recognize that you're justkidding.
That's the thing about justcoming into the knowing of
what's true in every moment, andyou might find yourself, you
know, like I find myself sayingapparently a lot.

SPEAKER_08 (01:22:41):
Especially when someone asks me how old I am or
my birthday, I'm like,apparently, this yeah, I've got
this card in this dream.

SPEAKER_07 (01:22:54):
In this dream, I've got this card with my picture on
it.
It says I got a birthday andstuff like that.
I mean, really, that's what'sgoing on.
None of that is actually true.

SPEAKER_10 (01:23:07):
You're always saying I made up to what's that?
I made that up.

SPEAKER_08 (01:23:11):
I made that up, yes.
I made uh I made it up.

SPEAKER_07 (01:23:15):
Yep, I make I made everything that I think I see, I
made up.
Yep.
And and see the thing about us,it's like when we're when we're
interacting with each other,we're the one son of God.
So we're interacting with whatwe're interacting with it.
This is perfection, this isholy, this is innocence, and all

(01:23:38):
we all we want to do with eachother is communicate that.
See, so that's what I was doingwith my son.
Really, I'm communicating thatthe truth is true.
It's like it, it it's almostlike he's he he's he's tempting
me, right?
He's like, What when are yougonna freak out?
You know, I do this or I dothis, you know, reminding each

(01:24:05):
other the truth.

SPEAKER_10 (01:24:06):
Yes, so you guys help me remind me.
I need to cut that out.
Okay, but I mean it's it's donewith love, you know.
Yeah, so it's helpful.
Yeah, putting the mirror up andshowing me, okay, that's a good
one.
But I mean, we're I feel likeit's we're remembering, helping
each other remember each other.

SPEAKER_07 (01:24:26):
And yes, and look look how the teaching is too.
Like if I give the example withmy son, I never said anything to
him.
I just asked him if he feltbetter after he punched a hole
in the wall.
Except that was the only thing Ieven said, you know.
Uh but it's just willingness tobe in the presence with the
manifest form arising as itdoes.

(01:24:49):
See, that's what that's whatshowed it shows your mind that
all of this stuff is meaninglessand only love is true, only love
is real.
You know, he's like, and and youknow, of course, my son is is
like uh I'm sorry, mom, aboutany any of those things.
And I'm like, I'm glad ithappened.
I'm like, better out than in.

(01:25:13):
Yeah, yeah.
You know, it might prevent him,it it might prevent him from
like hanging himself orsomething.
You know what I mean?
It's like better out than in,bring that shit out, right?

SPEAKER_08 (01:25:31):
Oh my little bastard.
That was happening.
That was hilarious.
Yeah, it was it was when Iwalked down there.
What did the vacuum?
I think I said something like,What did the vacuum do to
deserve that?
You don't understand, I'mpissed, punch a hole, you know.

SPEAKER_07 (01:25:54):
But it's like you just embrace and you keep on
embracing the feelings that arearising through it, and people,
you know, people see that andthey change.

SPEAKER_11 (01:26:06):
Yeah, you're not throwing it back at them.

SPEAKER_10 (01:26:10):
Yeah, you it's like a squishy wall.
They throw this ball reallyhard, like a bowling ball,
really hard, and you don't catchit and throw it back.
It's just like this big softsquishy wall, and it just
absorbs it and drops.
And they're like, That's right,she didn't throw it back.
Yeah, nope, just you know, it'slike this.
I don't know, absorbing walljust that's probably the part of

(01:26:32):
the ego that's looking to have areflection of something being
wrong with that, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:26:38):
Exactly.
Yeah, so it's the it's the egolooking for my reaction is
going, ah you fuck.

SPEAKER_06 (01:26:46):
You know, right.
Yes, yes, even a lot, like howbeautiful.

SPEAKER_10 (01:26:55):
I loved it.
I always say it takes energy tohave the energy to just do the
absorbing thing and not thethrowing it back.

SPEAKER_07 (01:27:04):
Throwing it back is easy, yeah, easy, you know,
because you're surprised, boom,boom, you know, it's a reclass,
but it actually steals yourenergy.
I agree, yeah.
And I I did that this morning.

SPEAKER_10 (01:27:15):
Someone said something to me and I was not
present, and I I threw back andafterwards I completely
regretted it, but it wasalready, and all I was doing was
I want to get better at this, inthat someone threw anger at me
and I wasn't present enough.

SPEAKER_07 (01:27:34):
Okay, well absorbing thing I threw back.
Okay, so look at this.
Look at this.
You could it once you once youfind yourself throwing it back,
go that was not about you, thatwas about me.
That's and and you don't have tonecessarily say that to the
person, even if you just say itto yourself and you recognize

(01:27:55):
that, but that is not for you tobe evaluating yourself over.

SPEAKER_11 (01:28:00):
That's the thing, and keep yourself in chain.
Yeah, you didn't do it right.
Yeah, that's what I'm sayingperpetually.

SPEAKER_07 (01:28:07):
Yeah, so even now I want to take that back.
I didn't start it or anything,but I wish I didn't throw it
back.
Oh, start we'll just start withthat.
Okay, so you said you you saidthank you.
You said I wish uh you said Iwish I didn't I didn't say that,
right?
Is that what you said?
I wish I didn't do that, or Iwish I didn't say that.
Start with that feeling, that'swhere you do it, because that's

(01:28:29):
the feeling that's up right now.
Noticing that feeling.
What keeps that feeling going?
What thought keeps that feelinggoing?

SPEAKER_11 (01:28:37):
I I hope you don't mind if I no go I felt attacked,
and obviously and I'm saying Imust have felt like I need to
defend myself, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (01:28:47):
So I I threw back.
Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_07 (01:28:51):
And then I was like, what the heck was that?
I'm like, I don't know, why didI I don't know, but I did it.
And okay, you didn't you didn'tdo it, it didn't happen.
Okay, okay, for one.
Okay, so you well, you you wantto go to peace in your heart
with this situation, okay?
Because as it just as it is, uh,you know, you want to go to you
want to go to finding peace inyour heart.

(01:29:13):
It didn't happen, it wasn'tcreated, God didn't create it,
so it can't exist.
It did not really happen.
That's where you go.
The whole scenario, all thatstory about why it happened and
all that stuff.
Just notice the thoughts.
Don't push them away.
Notice the thoughts and noticethe feeling effect of those

(01:29:34):
thoughts in the moment.
Yeah.
So that's that's what shows youthat those thoughts are not
meaningful.
You withdraw meaning from thosethoughts.
Withdraw meaning from them.
Look at how they're affectingyour body's energy field.
See that?
Now, the more you look at howthose thoughts are affecting the

(01:29:55):
body's energy field, when youbelieve them, they don't have
power without your believing.
Them.
The more you do that, the moreyou're going to notice those
thoughts are not relevant to me.
I don't want them.
I know what they feel like.
I don't want that feeling.
So this is what contrast is for.
You can see what feelings youwant and what feelings you can

(01:30:17):
do without.
Right?
But you have to be willing tofeel it, though.

unknown (01:30:24):
Okay.

SPEAKER_07 (01:30:24):
Right?
You're feeling it and you'rerecognizing, okay, right now,
this thought that's coming up,this is big, saying that I'm
remorseful.
Right there, that's a falseidea.
It didn't happen.
There's no thing that occursthat's not like heaven.

(01:30:47):
All of that is illusion.
So you just stop that rightthere.
All those other thoughts aboutwhat happened and all that
stuff, that's just trying tomake it so that that thing
actually happened, but itactually didn't.
Yeah, only love that we shareactually occurs.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:07):
Yes.
I'm seeing that what's alsobeing expressed and brought out
is the learning that we actuallydon't know what we need.
And I think it might be tiedinto the I want to get better at
this.
That keeps playing out with you.
Because what if what you reallylike when when you wanted to
take it back, what like what ifthe real learning was the

(01:31:30):
judging yourself over it?
Maybe that's what needed to comeout more because that's
immediately where you're goingwith it, right?
So yeah, so that's why we don'tneed to like try and manage the
way the things come out for usto undo them.
Like we actually don't know whatwe need to learn.
So and it's for me, that was abig one.

(01:31:51):
But every time I heard her saythat, I'm like, shut the fuck
up.
How can I survive with this lifeif I can't pretend that I know
what I need?
Yeah.
Huge, huge, huge.

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:03):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Whatever you did, you know, whatI was expressing earlier, too,
is whatever you did seem to saywas perfect for everyone
involved.
Yeah, it can't be another way.
So it you know, number one, itdidn't happen.
Number two, there's animagination that it did happen.

(01:32:24):
That imaginary it did happen isperfect for everyone involved.
And what Celeste was sharing wasmaybe it's it's that you seem to
do shit and you automaticallyjudge yourself about it.
And this is the lesson that youneed to see that this is a
pattern repeating itself, andthis is how you interrupt the

(01:32:45):
pattern and actually undo theunderlying cause of this
repetitive judging yourself.
See?

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:53):
And I'm noticing that I'm I'm it's coming up for
me is seeing that the ego isjust seeing fragments of things
and cannot see the totality inthe ineffable.

SPEAKER_11 (01:33:08):
It's it's almost this crazy dynamic of yeah, that
it is this world, the loop oflike, oh, I still can't figure
out this thing that isundescribable and so much bigger
than words can even convey.
So you know, allowing compassionfor that moment.

SPEAKER_10 (01:33:35):
You know, if I sit with that, again, if I sit with
that and then just see like alittle girl who's just doing you
know, my my throwback was thelittle girl defending.

SPEAKER_06 (01:33:52):
So if you could just give that little girl a hug, you
know, um because she feltattacked, and she was, you know,
that was my cry for love.

SPEAKER_07 (01:34:03):
Yep.
And you're always that littlegirl right now, and that girl is
this, that girl is this.
So that person's calling forlove in your name.
That's what's going on.
So now you see the scenario.
So rather than buying intojudgmental thoughts about you
not seeing what was going on,you know, you you just take what

(01:34:26):
you learn and go forward.
Jesus talks in a whole sectionon a course in miracles called
the happy learner.
Are you familiar with thatsection?

SPEAKER_10 (01:34:35):
Um, not like I could memorize it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:34:37):
Yeah, so basically, yeah, basically, all of this
stuff that arises, it's perfectfor you so you could see more,
so you'd be happy about whatyou're learning all the time.
Don't worry about trying to goback and be remorseful over
anything.
See?

SPEAKER_10 (01:34:54):
So rejoice about the opportunity of the learning and
the lessons and the blessings.
I call them lessons, lessons,lessons, um, versus going back
and judging and beingremorseful.
Be joyful that it showed up.
So that's yeah, or evenbelieving that it happened then,
it's happening now.

SPEAKER_07 (01:35:13):
Yeah, it's actually projecting from your
consciousness right now.
There's there's no time, soyou're actually projecting it
right now.
So, right now, you know, youcould just internally say to
that person, thank you forplaying, and see you guys
embracing.
See, you can imagine anything,so you can just imagine this.

(01:35:34):
That that's that's how it iswith me.
You know, I imagine an embrace,I imagine and an embrace between
us, right?
And thank you, thank you forplaying, thank you for showing
up, right?
So, whenever so the sentencethat we're on is sentence seven.
In case this be misunderstood asa statement that an enormous

(01:35:58):
amount of time will be necessarybetween readiness and mastery, I
would again remind you that timeand space are under my control.
And that includes Christ'scontrol taking over everything
that does not matter.
So uh, whenever you findyourself thinking of something

(01:36:19):
like this will take forever, Ihave so far to go, I'm not
advanced enough.
I wish I wouldn't have blown upat that person, you know.
Uh, this will take years ofpurification.
Remember this sentence.
It is not time that itdetermines awakening, it's your
willingness.

(01:36:39):
Okay, it's your willingness thatthat Christ is gonna lead the
awakening.
So it's like Jesus, I give youtime.
I give you whatever time I seemto have, my body, the thoughts,
whatever.
Let it all be used for healing.
I don't need it for anything, Idon't know what it should be

(01:37:00):
doing, right?
I don't know what this uhapparent person.
That's one thing that I seem tobe really good at is accepting
myself even as however it'sexpressing.
Right?
It's because it's just likeknowing for sure that it's 100%
helpful 100% of the time.

(01:37:20):
I'm not capable of lack or law,lack of love, I'm only having a
misperception.
So collapse time.
We want to collapse timeaccording to God's will.
And that's what Jesus is helpingus do.
So you don't have to manage yourown spiritual timeline.
You you just say yes, right now.

(01:37:41):
You allow yourself to bedirected by Jesus.
He's saying he's he's got thisthing.
Uh, what's unreal and what isreal, seeing what is the
difference between what's unrealand what's real.
And they're not on the samelevel, okay?
So that the real can dawn in ourawareness as quickly as

(01:38:01):
possible.
Right?
We don't want to be wastingtime.
Now that we know, we don't wantto be wasting time.
So notice where you're usingtime as a reason to postpone
your awakening, like if you'rebusy or something like that.
You seem to be too busy,anything like that.
You never have to postpone itbecause it's right now, it's

(01:38:22):
within the minutia of whateveryou seem to be doing.
So time is not your master.
If you can accept time is notyour master, you're gonna
accelerate way, way faster.
We're not gonna use it for delayanymore.

(01:38:42):
So we finished the sectionmastery of love, baby.
Love, and we have like 18minutes left.
So, what we can do is we can doa little overview of what's to
come.
Um, the real meaning of the lastjudgment, and that is section

(01:39:02):
13.
The real meaning of the lastjudgment.
So, this is where Jesus is gonnareinterpret one of the most
fear-filled concepts humans haveknown.

SPEAKER_10 (01:39:17):
Absolutely.
I'm not leaving, I need to takenotes because my head is going
to explode.

SPEAKER_07 (01:39:24):
I have to remember these things.
And I want I want to this getsrecorded too.
Oh, here's Caitlin.
Caitlin, what are you saying?
All of our problems have alreadybeen solved.
Yeah, these are the kind offriends I have.
Isn't this amazing?
I come back to this all day.
This is so blessed.

(01:39:44):
Uh, and I am as God created me.
We are just here to remind eachother that we are the light and
perfectly perfect, unable tosin.
Thank you, Caitlin.
You are such a good broad.
I love you.
Thank you for saying all thatstuff.

SPEAKER_10 (01:40:03):
I loved when you said about um when you picture
somebody like that.
I had that thing this morning,and and you said something and
embrace.

SPEAKER_07 (01:40:12):
It was yes, what was the first thing?
Something and then you embraceyou imagined and yeah, you
imagine an embrace and you yousay thank you for playing.

SPEAKER_10 (01:40:23):
Yes.

SPEAKER_07 (01:40:23):
In your mind, even thank you for playing, thank you
for showing up.
However, it feels reallyresonant for you.

SPEAKER_06 (01:40:30):
I love because all that is an illusion, so why not
use our imagination and andembrace it?
It's the same thing.

SPEAKER_07 (01:40:38):
That's the creative use of imagination.

SPEAKER_06 (01:40:41):
Imagination is caught is that, so why not just
use my imagination and give ahug?

SPEAKER_07 (01:40:48):
Right.
That is the creative use ofimagination.
That's a creative use ofthought, and that's what we're
here to do.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:55):
The right use of will.

SPEAKER_07 (01:40:56):
Yeah, the right use of will, too.
Thank you, Celeste.
Celeste knows the Course inMiracles, she's working it.

SPEAKER_10 (01:41:06):
I called that.

SPEAKER_11 (01:41:07):
I called that in, I called it in so that I could
have the experience of it andthe opportunity to learn.

SPEAKER_07 (01:41:14):
Because what's going on is underneath the surface in
the unconscious mind.
What you do not see is you'realready talking to yourself like
this.
That's why they're just doing itout in the open now.
So that's why you're so gratefulto them because they're bringing
it to the surface, what you'retrying to keep hidden.

SPEAKER_06 (01:41:39):
That's non-level.

SPEAKER_08 (01:41:41):
I know, I know.

SPEAKER_09 (01:41:52):
I have so many truth bumps are by like bouncing on
it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:41:55):
Yeah, you see, you could see that it's your own,
it's your own secret thoughtsthat are now being made audible,
and you're going, oh, that's whyyou're and then you can and then
you can deny reality or meaningto them right there and undo
what's underneath in theunwatched, what Jesus is calling
the unwatched mind.

(01:42:16):
This is giving you a bigopportunity to watch it because
now it's shit.
What's unwatched, now it's rightthere.
The person just said it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:42:27):
And then it's easier because it's in here, it's not
true because I know I'm Christ,I know I'm the love of God, so
it's not true.

SPEAKER_07 (01:42:36):
Yes, that's right.
It's not true, and that's that'swhat you're doing.
You're demonstrating that it'snot true by recognizing what
that signal is coming toexpress, right?
It's expressing you when you'rewearing when you recognize, oh,
this thing, this person says tome, this is what I've been
saying to myself in secret, evenif I'm not aware of it right

(01:42:57):
now.
This is the truth, this iswhat's going on.
All I need to do is deny anymeaning to that, right?
So it's like, it's like, youknow, like like let's say my
son, you know, uh a common themewas my for my son to tell me
I've been a shitty mom, right?
And I even wrote a book onparenting, okay?
It's called Unschooling forParents, a Mystic's Guide to

(01:43:18):
Awakening with Children.
You can be any age and not evenhave children.
It's cool, you could do this,right?
He's like, mom, you know, youhave been a shitty parent.
And I'm like, I've I fuckinghear you.
I can't even imagine beingraised by myself.

SPEAKER_08 (01:43:37):
Right, right?
I know, and and and you know,I'm not even a mom.
Like I've I told him thatbefore, too.
But you know, that was that wasone of the things that was
making him say, you know, you'vekind of been a shitty mom,
because when he was only maybelike uh nine or something like
that, I told him I wasn't reallyhis mom.

(01:44:00):
So so now he's telling me thiswhen he's maybe like 21 or
something like this.
And I'm like, I hear you, bro.
Like I couldn't imagine beingraised by a mom like me.
I'm telling you I'm not evenyour mom.
Still not your mom, but youknow, he gets it a lot better
now.

SPEAKER_10 (01:44:22):
My son said to me once he goes, Mom, I wish you
would just be normal.
And I looked at him and I said,You would be bored to death.

SPEAKER_07 (01:44:30):
I was normal.

SPEAKER_11 (01:44:31):
He goes, You're right.
You're right.

SPEAKER_07 (01:44:34):
You want normal?

SPEAKER_09 (01:44:35):
You want this?
Oh, yeah, right.
And you know what I think ishilarious?

SPEAKER_10 (01:44:43):
I thought I was so number one, I was asleep when I
was a parent.
I'm okay.
Unfortunately, I was, and Ithought I was being a great mom.
And then now that I'm in thiscourse and stuff, I'm like, oh
my god, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_09 (01:44:58):
No, you're not even a mom.

SPEAKER_07 (01:44:59):
Yeah, you're not even a mom.
That's the opportunity.

SPEAKER_10 (01:45:02):
Yeah.
Well, I I'd let it go because Idid the best that I could.
I I this is not so good.

SPEAKER_09 (01:45:08):
You mean, yeah, like I don't I don't.
I mean, I love them.
I was just gonna say how theidentity mom has all this.
Like you were kind of with yourstory, I was going, Oh, so many
people could judge you for notcaring about your son and just
leaving.
We could commit suicide.
You gotta stay and watch andtake care of them.

(01:45:29):
And yeah, a million things.
Love that.
This is wonderful.

SPEAKER_07 (01:45:34):
Yeah, I'm glad you're enjoying it.
Well, you can always joinonline.
You see them on Zoom andSubstack.
I'm not gonna be here.
She's gonna help me.
Yeah, I'm not gonna be here, butI'm gonna be um doing these here
and there.
Yeah, uh, I'm gonna take a breakafter this for maybe two weeks.
I don't know.
Um, but you'll get the onceyou're signed up, you'll get the

(01:45:54):
invitation.
You can join on Zoom, you canwatch later.
Like I said, I have a lot ofdifferent ways.
Go to hopejohnson.org and youcan find all the ways to connect
with all this stuff.
Yep.

SPEAKER_09 (01:46:06):
So if you want to see the animated expanded
versions, this is yeah, this isyep.

SPEAKER_07 (01:46:14):
All right, so we're getting into section 13.
Yeah, the last judgment, finalliberation.
So this is the end of fear.
It's your awakening, it's notpunishment.
God does not judge.

(01:46:35):
God does not judge.
You made judgment.
Judgment is something that cameafter the thought of separation.
So this is the way to use whatyou made.
Yay.
The final judgment is just thesame as we've been talking about
with each of these illusions asthey arise, recognizing that the
truth is true.

(01:46:56):
That's it.
This is how you remember you'reeternally alive in God.
You could say, you know,sometimes we say it's God's
final judgment, sometimes we sayit like that because God's God
only knows you as perfectinnocence.
God doesn't know about all thethings that you think you've

(01:47:17):
done or you think you're gonnado, or what you think you are.
God only knows your perfectinnocence and knows you as you
are.
So it's up to you to accept whatif God could judge, would be
God's judgment of you, which isbecause you're the one who's
making a story that you're notthose things that are the way

(01:47:39):
God sees you.
So that's why you're the onethat's coming in and doing the
final judgment, okay?
Um, and this is and this isbasically just through it's it's
coming from mastery of love thatwe've been talking about.
Um, noticing that any of theseego thoughts are not true,
they're fear-basedinterpretation.

(01:48:00):
Um, anything uh about religionthat tells you you're unworthy.
Uh, there's religious thingstelling you you're unworthy and
and uh unconscious guilt basedon that.
You know, just look at them asthey arise.
They arise in different ways inyour perception.
They just come up and say, Oh,you're not worthy because of
this.

(01:48:21):
You're not worthy because youtreated this person this way,
right?
Uh, you're not worthy becauseyour son thinks you're a shitty
mom.
You're not worthy becausesomeone's not talking to you.
None of that stuff is true.
I've had uh I've had anexperience before.
I have a daughter too, who's uh33 years old, and she was

(01:48:42):
cruising around town uh lookingall wild, makeup running down,
uh doing a bunch of drugs andstuff, and talking all kinds of
shit on me.
And and uh and people weregoing, uh people were asking one
of my friends, why do you listento Hope Johnson?
Have you seen her daughter?
She's a fucking mess.
She's out on the street, she'slike on drugs, she's you know,

(01:49:06):
and he goes, Are you kidding me?
That's why I do listen to HopeJohnson.
You should see her, she's fine.
She's she's freaking having agood time with it, right?
Whatever is whatever is arising,it's perfect for awakening.
Even my daughter came came andtold me, Mom, I'm sorry, I'm

(01:49:28):
ruining your wisdom dialogues.
And I was like, You can't ruinwisdom dialogues, this goes
right into wisdom dialogues.

SPEAKER_08 (01:49:35):
Are you kidding?

SPEAKER_09 (01:49:39):
You don't want to be talking about.

SPEAKER_08 (01:49:41):
Yeah.
Yeah, wisdom dialogues, allkinds of stuff just comes right
out, right?
It's like it's like, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:49:51):
Uh yeah, stuff just and and and now, you know, my
daughter, my daughter's like,mom, are you having wisdom
dialogues?
Yes, I am.
Please talk about me on yourshow, you know.
My son's still like, don't talk,don't talk about me, mom.
Like, you got no choice, bro.

SPEAKER_08 (01:50:11):
Hate all you want.
It's my fucking experience, too.

SPEAKER_09 (01:50:23):
Don't be my child.

SPEAKER_08 (01:50:28):
He's not staying, he's not staying away.
I mean, you know, and and that'sthe thing.

SPEAKER_07 (01:50:33):
It's like when you're when you're loving, it
doesn't matter if you're my kidor not.
I love you just the same, right?
It's like we're playing playingthis thing like you're my kid.
So I'm probably gonna do somecertain things and there will be
some roles played and stuff likethat.
It's just that we don't takethose things seriously, it
doesn't reflect on me.
Like how you are as a persondoesn't reflect on me.

(01:50:56):
Now he's like, he's 23, he's amanager, he's been through
college and everything, and he'slike, Mom, don't tell people
that I'm successful because ofyou, because it is not because
of you.
If anything, it's in it's inspite of you.
And I'm like, I know, I know.
I'll make that clear that that'syour mindset.
Don't worry.

SPEAKER_08 (01:51:22):
Yeah, I know, isn't that good?
Nothing to do with me, exactly.
You could yeah, it's just it'sthe same either way.
Oh, whatever, whatever you seem,whatever you seem to be doing.

SPEAKER_07 (01:51:35):
All right, you guys.

SPEAKER_09 (01:51:37):
Nothing has anything to do with me, well, yeah,
totally.

SPEAKER_07 (01:51:42):
Uh-huh.
He wants to make sure that I'mnot letting people know that he
turned out that way because ofthe things I wrote about in my
book, Unschooling for Parents.

SPEAKER_09 (01:51:51):
Oh wow.
I'm saying he's reflecting yourgodself of oh yeah, nothing you
have ever done.

SPEAKER_06 (01:51:58):
Yeah.
Right.
Well, it just shows the illusionyou were shitty mom, and now he
thinks, oh, maybe something'sgreat because of mom.

SPEAKER_08 (01:52:07):
Yeah.
None of it's true.
None of it's true.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 (01:52:12):
Yep.
He can use me for however heneeds.
Um, and I, you know, of course,it's nice when you love your
mom.
I know that.
I know from my own experience,it's really nice when you love
your mom.
Um, so of course, you know, it'slike naturally you want that for
people that they uh love theirmom.

(01:52:32):
And, you know, any reaction tothat to someone not loving their
mom, any feeling, you justembrace that for them.
See, this is how we help people.
We embrace that feeling forthem, that feeling of not like I
could have a stranger tell methey don't like their mom, and
I'll feel that, right?
I'll feel that and and andnotice that it is a

(01:52:54):
misinterpretation and and askedto be uh asked to be a carrier
of truth, whatever that lookslike.
You don't have to be sayinganything, there's no pressure.
You're just opening up yourenergy field to feel with them
and experience with them andhelp undo the illusion that you
you know you could get a badmom, for instance, and help them

(01:53:20):
see that.
Oh, my mom, I'm so grateful.
I got the best mom ever.
I know that just feels reallygood.
That's how I feel.
Yeah, yeah, everything's ahundred percent helpful.
I love you.
Thank you.
Thank you, Glenn.
Thanks for joining everyone.
So, hopejohnson.org.
I'm probably gonna take like twoweeks off.

(01:53:40):
I'm not totally sure.
I'm going to Bull Head City,Arizona on the 9th.
I'll be around here in case youguys want to hang out with me or
connect or anything.
I'll be around here in Sedonauntil the 9th.
After that, I'm gonna go toBullhead City, Arizona, where
I'll be for three weeks.
I might do one or two weeks ofthe wisdom dialogues and a CIM

(01:54:00):
deep dive.
December 1st, I'm going toBellingham, Washington.
And I'm gonna say again howfreaking stoked I am.
Uh that that uh the offeringsthat are going on there.
Um, I'm getting a three-bedroomhouse over there.
A friend is massaging me once aweek.
There's a jacuzzi, there's anACIM community ready for me over

(01:54:23):
there.
So I'll probably kick back overthere for a little while.
I have a plan to be there untilabout May when I'll go back to
Hawai'i and stay there inKehenna Beach for six months.
Yay, everyone! Thank you so muchfor joining.
I love you so much.
Ah, thank you.
Until next time, Mahalo, aloha,and a hooy ho.

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