Beyond Mortality | Wisdom Dialogues Online @ Ajijic Mexico | August 11, 2025 - Hope Johnson's Wisdom Dialogues

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Aloha and welcome to Wisdom Dialogues with Hope
Johnson, coming to you fromAjijic, mexico.
Yay, thank you so much forjoining.
Oh, my goodness, ah.
So what's been coming up latelyis the real world.

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I actually did a clarificationon A Course in Miracles about
the real world lately and I go,wow, this is what we're meant to
bring about right now.
Just, there's only right now,so there's not another later

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time that we're going to be ableto do this.
It's just right now that we'rebringing about the real world.
Now people get a little bitcaught up in that because
they're like, oh, once I'm inthe real world, it's going to be
so.
Well, the thing is, the realworld doesn't even last.
It's only very, very temporary.
It's a forgiven world.

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It's where everything isforgiven.
It's where there's no aging,sickness, conflict, anything
like that, because we stoppedtolerating it.
We stopped tolerating thesethings.
So the only reason we'regetting a perception of a world
that's not the real world isbecause we would tolerate it.

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For instance, when we think wesee sickness in the world, we
are not looking at sickness inthe world.
We're looking at a reflectionof sickness in our mind.
It's coming from our own mind.
Okay, so so to point it out andsay that something's wrong and

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try to fix it is totallydifferent than our willingness
to see through it.
That's not saying that youcan't use any medicines or
anything like that, but there'sanother way of doing it.
There's another way of lookingwhile you're doing whatever
you're doing.
One example is block therapy.
Okay, you look at bodies andthey seem to be out of whack,

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kind of like deformed.
Maybe the shoulders are pulledforward, maybe their legs are
twisted or something like that.
And so if you're using theblock, the wooden block, to try
to correct a problem in thefield, basically what you're
doing is keeping problems going,but you can do the kind of find

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yourself doing the exact samething.
You know it's.
It's basically you're usingthis tool to reveal to your mind
that the problem is only inyour mind, and that's really a
mental movement.
And that's really a mentalmovement, instead of using it to
try to correct something in thefield, like, let's say,

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something's twisted.
Or you know, for some peoplethey're trying to lose weight,
they feel like they got too muchbody fat and they're using it
like that.
It's all misperception.
Our bodies are not the waywe're perceiving and we actually
are created immortal.
So just perceiving mortality,that's an error.

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That's already an error.
So one friend came to do blocktherapy with me and she was
telling me all these problemsthat she apparently has, and I
said you don't have any problemswith your body.
She's like you're telling me Idon't have any problems with
your body, with my body, and Igo no, the only problem is
misperceiving.
That's really the only problem.

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And if you do block therapylike that, you're going to be
way more successful.
And this goes for a supplementor a medical drug, it doesn't
really matter what it is.
Nothing is poison and nothingis helpful.
Let's say, in the field, there'sreally nothing like that.
We're making all of it up.

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So if we would look at it likewe're only using this as a
symbol to remind ourselves ofwhat's actually true, we're
going to see ourselves progresstoward vitality a lot faster.
Right, in fact, when we'reusing any of these tools, you

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can say they're tools or symbolsto make illusions.
True, we're really only pushingthis toward death.
Okay, so one way to put it isall illusions in the world only
lead toward death.
If you would use them, though,as a symbol for seeing past the

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world that we made, and this isa world where we seem to be
mortals.
We are not mortals, we'reimmortal.
This is how we're created.
What occurred was amisperception.
The main misperception thatkeeps on pushing everything
forward in the world is justfear, and you know.

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And it's fear brought on byshock, because, you know, we
were one with God, totallyanonymous in God, totally
anonymous, without any kind ofself-awareness.
And then God gave us a greatgift, each of us a great gift.

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He made us distinct, still love, still perfect love.
This is how we recognize eachother, this is how we feel each
other, this is how we recognizeeach other.
This is how we feel each other.
You know, we know, we recognizethere's a difference, there's
differences between us.

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Everyone is distinct, right?
So when God gave us this gift ofself-awareness, as you could
say, a unique tone within God,it was shocking and it seemed to
be an abandonment.

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And so then we just startedpushing that forward.
We made ourselves into mortals,thinking that we broke
existence.
We're out of existence now.
So it's like, okay, well, I'llgo into dreaming, make an image

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of myself and go into dreaming.
The image isn't real, the imageis a mortal image.
So forgiveness is about undoingthe image we made and going
back to this distinctabstraction that God created.
It's not like we're going to begone, it's not like we're going

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to disappear.
That's the ego story.
That's the ego story that aroseout of this extreme shock and
fear that we've just beenabandoned by God and now we have
to make our own reality.
So, seeing past that, you know.
It talks about in A Course inMiracles, of seeing the great

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rays come through everyone.
Right, the only way we can seethe great rays is to look with
perfect vision, and that takesforgiveness, basically forgiving
the illusions we made.
There's a second I thinksomeone might be okay, okay, I

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don't need that, people arecoming up.
It's forgiving the illusions wemade, including, you know, any
kind of deformity that weperceive, recognizing that that
is something that we made.
That's an illusion we made.
We don't want to look on that.
We want to look past that.

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One friend recently was relatingto me that she's okay, she's
feeling okay about herself,unless she looks in the mirror.
And once she looks in themirror, then she's not feeling
good about herself.
And I go.
Well, the key is not to stoplooking in the mirror, you know.

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The key is to be willing tolook past where the body's eyes
stop.
The body's eyes stop at thesurface, at the skin.
That's a layer, that's acovering.
You know, it's your sheerwillingness to look past that
that you'll be able to seebeauty.
We're all light.
We're all really light.
The skin is meant to hide thelight and we're all making that

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up.
We're all making that up thatwe even have this barrier of
this body.
We're basically beams of light.
They're immortal, distinct,never going to go back to
anonymity.

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Right?
There's also this desire to goback to being anonymous so we
don't have to suffer, so wedon't have to go through any
pain.
That's not going to happen.
What's going on is, and what'sgoing to happen, what everyone's
on a trajectory toward isrecognizing this sense of

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individuality as a gift, not asa burden.
Right, it's been seen as aburden because we've made
ourselves guilty, we've madeourselves mortal.
We've made ourselves mortal,we've made ourselves into this
thing.
That's not good enough, and youknow there's lots of ways that
we do that.
We got stories.
I'm not good at something, forinstance, that's a fun story to

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look at.
Or I am good at something Alsoa fun story to look at.
There's nothing like that.
We're just dreaming about havingany kind of apparent, even
apparent, ability in the world,comparing ourselves, comparing
ourselves to other people, youknow, comparing ourselves like,

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let's say, in popularity Well,I'm not as popular as that
person over there or somethinglike that.
It's like not recognizing thegift and the beauty that you are
as that distinct tone that Godcreated, and it's like there's a
whole symphony playing and eachone of us is a part, an

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integral part, of that.
Take one part out and the wholecreation doesn't work, it's out
of harmony, it's disharmonious.
Okay, so it doesn't matter.
Whatever your life seems to be,your life seems to be you could

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.
You know, I like to go, I liketo, I like to go to the extreme
so people can see it's not, youknow, there's, there's nothing
that you could do wrong.
Let's say you're a heroin addict, right.
Let's say you're a heroinaddict who is having murderous
thoughts and feeling down andreally bad about yourself.

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That doesn't change one thing,it doesn't make you any better
or worse than anyone else increation.
In fact, the role that you seemto be playing, the role that
you're playing in a dream, thatyou seem to be playing, the role
that you're playing in a dream,in this dream, is perfect for

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everyone.
And it's perfect because it'shelping to awaken us from this
sense that we're mortal, thatwe're all going to die.
Whatever it is, you're helpingus.
There's nothing that you mustdo to be better.
It's basically aboutsurrendering the sense of self
that you made and being happyand glad about the part that

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you're playing for the undoing,for the undoing of this dream.
And see, here's the thing,god's will for you is perfect
happiness.
So if you would be willing tobe happy with the role that you
have given yourself reallyyou've given this role to
yourself.
There's only one of us, reallythere's only one of us, and it's

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all God.
Everything is God.
Let's say, you know you arethat heroin addict person and
you recognize that the heroinitself is actually God and
you're, you know.
You're awakening in that moment.
You're awakening in thatrecognition and that's what

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makes you happy.
That's God's will for you.
So you're not pushing anythingaway.
Last week someone asked me well,what about addiction?
And you might describeaddiction as something that you
keep on doing that you reallydon't want to do First of all,
recognizing that you really wantto experience this.

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You're not really doinganything really, but you really
want to experience this fully.
Until you experience it fully,it has to come back around again
.
That's why things like AA andNA and all those where you're on
some kind of program to try tostop being addicted to something

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, they don't really work.
They do make a sense like okay,now you're doing good, you got
to this point and you didn't dothe thing that you didn't want
to do, and you get a sense likeokay, it's happier, it's more
comfortable.
The thing is, though, it's likerepressing that energy is not

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the same as working through it,as seeing through it.
It's like, if you're willing tosee right through it to
recognize I want to experienceit, this, see right through it
to recognize I want toexperience this.
It's not until you actuallyexperience it that you actually
get done with it.
So, let's say, you use somestrong willpower to control

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yourself this whole lifetime,there will be another one
manifested so that you couldstill get the full experience of
it, whatever it is you're meantto experience.
Another friend told me they'renot going to have any more
relationships, any more romanticrelationships, because they're

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bad at it, and when I hearsomething like that, I
immediately know that that needsto project forward in time.
Basically it's making more timeso that that manifestation can
occur, so that manifestation ofa romantic relationship can come
about again and again, andagain, until it's seen as not

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harmful and not helpful either,just completely innocent and
neutral.
So everything that we get anexperience of in this imaginary
life is totally neutral.
It's our thoughts about theexperience that's not neutral.

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It's our thoughts about theexperience that's not neutral.
The thoughts about theexperience would say I don't
want that experience or I dowant that experience.
Either way, it's attachment orit's aversion, which are really
two sides of the same coin.
When we're not asking for afuture experience or we're not

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pushing away any experience,that's where our mind is
awakening, that's where we're inthe now right.
It's not like we're grippingtoward something and also not
pushing it away.
It's just a matter of askingthe Holy Spirit.
So you know I shared with myfriend because you know we were
both talking about how we have,we have experienced pain in

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romantic relationships.
You know we had that in commonwhere we had pain come up in
those kinds of things.
And you know mine was, mine wasmuch more recent, hers was many
years ago and she's like, yeah,ever since then.
I'm like, no way, I'm not goodat it.
Mine was much more recent.
Hers was many years ago, andshe's like, yeah, ever since
then.
I'm like, no way, I'm not goodat it.
And you know, I related withher, I go.

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Well, you know, for me, what I'mshown is to always stay open to
the Holy Spirit's guidance onwhat it is that's coming up and
where I should go and what Ishould do and who I should talk
to.
Because if I make my own rulesabout my life, if I make my own
rules, that's the same aspushing more time forward.

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You know, it's putting it outof the mind.
It's more like a matter of whatis resonating right now.
And what is it for that's sohuge?
It's like knowing what it's forrecognizing that all things
that arise, if they're used forawakening, then they're going to

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be beneficial, even if theybring pain.
See, that's the misconceptionthat a lot of people have.
It's as if, if I'm listening tomy guidance, I'm going to have
no pain.
That's not the case.
It's just that when the paincomes up, it's not going to be

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wasting time.
It's going to be really potentfor undoing, for seeing, for
recognizing these differentpatterns that are being played.
There's so many differentpatterns in relationships and
what I notice is having gonethrough pain in relationships
and it still comes up.
You know, the pain still comesup from time to time.

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I was just writing an articleyesterday I posted to Substack.
It's about equality inrelationships, trying to make
these equal, equal providers,let's say.
And just sinking in and goinginto my psyche about that, I
noticed there's pain right.
So even with the pain, it'slike what is this for?

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And when it's given to the HolySpirit's use and not tried to
make personal, then it's reallyhelpful for seeing through the
different patterns that arecoming up in our relationships.
And these relationships aremeant to be like classrooms.
They're not really forgettingwhat you want in the world.

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They're not really like that.
They're meant to be classrooms.
So you know, jesus was saying,of course, in miracles in the
early chapters I guess it wasjust the first chapter where it
was principles of miracles hewas saying you've misunderstood

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sex, you thought it was forconnection.
And looking in my psyche I'mlike, wow, I see these
underlying patterns.
They're not right on the tip ofconsciousness, but they're.
See these underlying patterns.
You know they're not right onthe tip of consciousness, but
they're seeing these underlyingpatterns of using it to get
something and then noticing,noticing when I don't seem to

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get what I thought I was goingto get.
Out of it there's anger,there's resentment, see, and so
seeing these patterns and notpersonalizing them, not making
them personal to you, butrecognizing that these are just
patterns that arise based on thethought of separation, then we

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could actually use them tocollapse time.
That means our behavior changes.
That means our behavior aroundthem changes, because the way we
think about these thingsautomatically changes.
We start to see the hook.
Aw, thank you, mama, I love you.
Thank you for coming on.

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My mom came on to say happybirthday.
Apparently, it's my imaginarybirthday today.
I had a fun day at the spa Ihave, you know, mama.
I had a really fun, relaxingday.
It was beautiful.
And now I get to do one of myfavorite things have a wisdom
talk with my friends Such ablessing.
And some other friends are eventaking me out to dinner tonight

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.
It's so sweet.
Thank you for coming on, I loveyou.
So this idea that we're going toget something good, it's as if
this is making a connection.
We can make a connection byjoining bodies.
We can't make any connection byjoining bodies.

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We can only make connection byjoining mind and can't make any
connection by joining bodies.
We can only make connection byjoining mind.
And what does that look like?
That's an emotional joining.
I see it as kind of like anemotional joining, being
emotionally available forwhatever we are doing together.

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It could be anything.
We may be making a banktransaction together.
Just being emotionallyavailable for those who are in
the field.
That's what brings about thiswillingness to see the light
that we are.
Because what happens with theego?
The ego wants to use body.

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So let's say, in the banksituation you're doing a bank
transaction, the ego looks atthis body as being beneficial
for helping it accomplish thebank transaction.
Okay.
But if you look at the HolySpirit's purpose, the Holy
Spirit's purpose is awakening.

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So then you recognize that theidea that you even have a bank
transaction to do is like astructure that's being used as
the means for awakening ourminds and that's joining through
awakening our minds.
So look at how it is.
I mean really it's not justsexual, how people would use

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each other's bodies, but usingeach other's bodies to try to
even in this example, make abank transaction, see it's as if
that's what the body is for.
That is not what the body isfor.
The body is for communication.
So the way to look at that istake a deep breath and be

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willing to see what thisinteraction is really for.
Get in tune with the HolySpirit's usage for every single
one of these interactions, nomatter what we seem to be doing.
Okay.
Another example is just usingthe body.
As far as using it to hooksomething, to get something

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right, even to get a job, to getattention.
There's another one.
Look at when you're gettingdressed.
This isn't everyone.
We're all on a lonely journey.
We're all on a lonely journeythrough thought.
So, these ideas of ourindividual lives yes, we share
some of these, some of us havesome of these in common, but

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they're not technically sharedreally, because they're all
projections.
Technically shared, really,because they're all projections.
Everything that makes up yourlife, your personality, your
clothing, your likes, dislikes,your strengths, your weaknesses.
It's all just a lonely dream.
Look at this, though this iskind of common when you're

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getting dressed, when you'rejust picking out some clothes,
notice, notice.
This is a really easy and funway to practice.
Ask the Holy Spirit what youshould wear, what would be the
most effective for awakening themind today, because if you're
not asking the Holy Spirit, yourmind will automatically go to.

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What will they think?
For instance, will this besufficient to hook another body,
hook in another body?
This is how we make more time.
We extend time.
See, it's really simple ineverything, because in

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everything the ego is trying tosneak in there and use the
situation for attack, and it'sreally self-attack.
Anytime there's a thought thatgoes unrecognized.
It's really unrecognizedbecause these thoughts that come
up, they're not neutral at all.

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They're either collapsing timeor they're extending time.
There's not anything in between.
So, having the Holy Spirit'sguidance to just show you the
difference between the twowhat's collapsing time and
what's extending time and forthe most part we're not guiding,
we're not guarding our mind,right, for the most part we're

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just not guarding our mind.
But this comes with practice.
The more we practice, the morewe're guarding our mind.
So I'll give you a.
For instance, my friend and Iwent to the spa today and I have
not been to the spa since I'vebeen here, and there's some cool
spas around here with mineralsprings.
So we arrived at the spa andthere's a price you pay to get

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into the spa.
So we paid the price to getinto the spa.
We walk in and immediatelywe're going hmm, this seems like
a chlorine pool.
For one, it looks like achlorine pool.
For one, it looks like achlorine pool.
For two, it smells like achlorine pool.
So we're like, hmm.
And then we look around somemore when are the mineral pools?
We're walking around and wefind out that the nicer mineral

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pools are behind another gatewhere you pay again, right?
So it's like, oh well, maybe wewanna go check out another spa.
Let's see if we wanna just gocheck out another spa.
So my friend, first of all, shestarts coughing and I look at
her and she goes this issomething that I do, this is a

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habit that I do is I feelshocked.
I feel shocked right now that Ijust paid all of that to get in
and I thought it was going tobe one thing and then it turned
out to be another thing.
This is where practice comes in.
It's perfect.
You know, for me it's likeautomatically.

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For me, a red flag just went upright away.
Pay attention.
For me, it's like automaticallyfor me, a red flag just went up
right away.
Pay attention.
This is where something likedisappointment might creep in or
something like that right, thisis where something might say

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something is wrong and we stopextending love.
It's like we're in a lovingvibe as long as things seem to
be going the way, we expect themto go right.
But then, when yourexpectations get blown out like
that, that's the realopportunity.
That's the opportunity to seeoh, this is a call for love.
It's on one side or the other.
It's either love.

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It's either perfect love orit's a call for love.
So whenever something seems tonot go your way, it's just a
call for love.
So it's like well, either way,whatever we do, it's going to be
awesome.
It doesn't matter what choice ismade in the field.
It really doesn't matter,because it's all going the same

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way anyways.
It's going toward toward peaceand truth, and so it doesn't
really matter what choice wemake, whether we walk this way
and go up there and say, hey,can we have a refund, because we
thought it was going to besomething else, you know, and it
was this.
So we go oh well, let's gocheck out that other spa.
Okay, let's go to the front,let's just see if they'll give

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us a refund.
You know, this is coming frommy point of view.
Let's just see if they'll giveus a refund.
If they don't, no big deal,we'll just go to the next spa
and check it out anyway, noproblem.
So we're up there and I don'tspeak any Spanish apparently
those my friend's talking inSpanish and she's asking about a

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refund.
And so they asked for thereceipt.
And you know, immediately whenI got the receipt, I proceeded
to leave it somewhere.
I wasn't into carrying anypaperwork.
I go, it's no big deal, I don'tneed it, I don't need to get a
refund.
You go ahead and get a refund.
You got the receipt right, Idon't need it, I don't need to
get a refund.
You go ahead and get a refund,you got the receipt right.
So then the person she wastalking to was like oh, we do

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have natural hot springs, though, let me show you, let me bring
you over there and show you andshow you what we have.
So we got walked around and youknow, past all the chlorine
pools, these huge, huge pools,and toward the back, and then,
okay, let's check it out.
Let's just stay here and checkit out.
So I was relating with myfriend.

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You know that sense of beingshocked that is actually it
comes back to.
You're not upset for the reason.
You think that sense of beingshocked is shock from when God
created you to be self-aware.
So it's like you were notcreated.

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It's like there was an instantwhen you were not created.
Okay, you're not created yet.
You were just one with God.
Okay, you say, you know you'rethe creator.
Let's say that You're thecreator, and then it's kind of
like the creator split himselfoff and goes this part is now

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self-aware, this part of thecreator is now self-aware.
And so then there's a sensethat you're apart from the
creator.
You're not apart, you're noteven part, you're not even
really part, you're just aself-aware tone.
You could say it's a tone, it'sa distinct abstraction within

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the creator.
You never left Every singlething, even something small like
this, where you were expectingthe spa to be this kind of spa,
and it turned out to be adifferent kind of spa.
It's not really happening, it'sonly in a dream.
It's not even really happening,it's only transpiring so that

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it can project that same feelingof shock, abandonment,
rejection.
Every single thing that comesup in your life is exactly like
that, anything that you think isgoing wrong.
A sickness comes up, apparentlyAny kind of sickness.

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A doctor gives you a diagnosis,someone steals your wallet.
You know, earlier, a few weeksago, I left my ATM card in a
machine, came back five minuteslater and it was gone Right, and
I just have to smile because Iknow what it's for.
It's a forgiveness opportunity.

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This is what collapses time.
You guys, it's not just feelingbetter, it's not just like, oh
well, you know, maybe it's goingto give me what I need, and
that kind of stuff.
Well, yeah, that's true in asense too, but what it's doing
is it's giving you anopportunity to actually collapse

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time, to recognize that allthis is is an echo Whenever
something seems like it's notgoing right for you in life.
All this is is an echo of thatsense like you've been abandoned
, like you've been rejected,like you've been kicked out of
heaven.
Why do things go wrong for me?

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Let's say they don't.
This is the opportunity youwant to see again.
You want to recognize again whoyou are.
You haven't really had theopportunity to recognize who you
are with individual awareness,self-awareness, to recognize

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that you're actually still inGod and you never left God.
All longing is a reflection ofthis All longing.
That's why recently it waspurified for me, the longing for
a personal relationship like aromantic relationship.

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I apparently went 31 yearssolid in romantic relationship
and then it seemed like I neededanother one soon, right?
Or at least I needed some sex.
I have got sex regularly.
I've always had sex regularly,right, and so in using these

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things as a forgivenessopportunity, this is exactly
what collapses time.
It's like recognizing you don'tneed anything to go any
particular way on the screen ofconsciousness.
But here's what I see.
And going back to the spaexample, where there's
willingness to collapse time, touse it to collapse time, you

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just automatically start havingmore and more fun.
You see more and more fun inthe situation.
You know, when the ATM card goteaten by the machine, it seemed
like I wasn't going to have aneasy way to get money here in
Mexico, like there was no wayfor me to apparently get a card

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shipped over here.
They have a hard time shippingthings around here.
They take a long time, or theyhave a.
Well, I guess there seemed tobe a hard time receiving things
around here, um, going throughcustoms and stuff like that and
it seemed like I was, uh, prettymuch screwed, seemed like I

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couldn't get anything done and Ijust kept on seeing that as an
opportunity to see.
Not going into fear, not goinginto oh my goodness, what am I
going to do?
Kept on seeing it as anopportunity and eventually I
found a card in my wallet that Ihadn't activated yet.

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It was a Cash App card and itwas able to work.
It was just activated.
It was like really simple.
It turned out to be somethingreally really simple, but it was
just an openness.
It's like, okay, show me whatit is, show me what it is where
this is going.
As far as only what can Iforget around here when this is

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going?
As far as only what can Iforget around here?
It doesn't go into.
Oh, I wasn't listening to myguidance, and so then this
particular thing happened.
No, everything becomes ablessing Because everything,
when given to the Holy Spirit'spurpose, it's used for
collapsing time.
That's the usefulness of it,and when it's not used for

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anything else, you automaticallywind up in more and more joy
and it becomes easier and easierto do this.
This is what we're assigned todo you can say it's our function
in dreaming is to use all thethings in the dream, everything
in the dream, as a means tocollapse time, and not try to

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use it for our own personal gain, even for making stories about
it.
The only thing it's good for iscollapsing time.
And you know, patternrecognition, seeing our patterns
, recognizing okay, like myfriend today, okay, this is what
I do.
She said, this is what I do.
I get shocked when things don'tgo my way and there's a sense.

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You can hear it in the voicetoo.
Hear it in the voice too.
There's a certain way oftalking and even laughing where
it shows this attachment to oh,I hope things go okay, I hope
it's all right.
How am I going to be providedfor?
How am I going to be taken careof in the world?

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All these things areopportunities to see through in
the world.
All these things areopportunities to see through and
when we use them that way, weget more and more joy, not out
of the world, not out of thesituation, but because it's our.
Our mind is focused in the wayit's meant to be focused.
Serving our function is theonly joy, it's the only way to

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get happiness.
So the ego projects it outthere as if I get attention, or
if I get the right partner, orif I get the right job, that
those things are going to makeme happy.
But really the only thing thatmakes us happy, the only thing,
is serving our function.
Thing is serving our function.

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That's what gives us thevitality, including vitality for
the apparent body is using itin that way.
And this isn't the same thing asbeing a good person.
It's not the same thing Becauseit's easy to go.
Okay, how does the world needme to do good deeds?
Right, who can I do a good deedfor?

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That's not the same thing.
That's the ego.
Again, because the ego makesproblems.
For instance, it makes problemsby making people apparently
poor or apparently sick.
These sick people, these poorpeople, these unspiritual people
, for instance, they need me.
That's not the same asextending love.

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See, when we actually justextend love, that's recognizing
that everyone's whole, this isour own wholeness, that we're
actually recognizing.
You know, this is our heart.
When we're willing to perceivethe wholeness in all of the
people that we look upon, we'reperceiving the wholeness in

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ourselves, and that truly isextending love.
That's what's collapsing time,not what it is.
We can apparently do the doingto it.
It'll take care of itself.
We don't have to worry aboutthat, like, let's say, giving
some kind of charity or anythinglike that.
But this idea of I'm a goodperson or I need to be a good

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person, or I should be a betterperson, that's different.
That's totally different, andthere's a way of being very
self-righteous about that too.
Even in simple things likewe're doing a fundraiser, for
instance, we're doing afundraiser.
Well, look at that.

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It's not bad to have afundraiser.
It's not what I'm saying at all.
It's not bad to have that.
But look at how the ego uses it.
It's like it becomes a shouldthing.
You should go to this thingbecause it's a fundraiser.
This is what makes you into agood person Recognizing that
these people that seem to needhelp do not need your help.

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They don't need your fuckinghelp, actually.
And this is how we collapsetime by recognizing that they
don't need any help.
Everyone's whole.
We're not better off thananyone.
No one's better off than anyone.
Imagine that.
I know the story.

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I heard stories about whiteprivilege, for instance, like
we're better off because of thecolor of our skin, for instance.
This is just a divisive thingof the ego, just like anything
else, that says anyone's betteroff than anyone.
You know, we're kids growing up.
Probably some of you got thestory of eat all your food

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because there's people who arestarving in other parts of the
world, for instance, and youknow that's just a way of saying
you're better off than otherpeople.
No one's better off.
You know why?
Because this life is a dreamand everyone is projecting
themselves as a mortal bodythat's on a trajectory toward

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death.
Okay, so no one's better offthan anyone.
Even if someone happens to beon the battlefield, even if you
happen to look at another person, you know they've got shows
like I don't know.
I haven't watched TV in a longtime, but when I did the Jerry
Springer show, like the JerrySpringer show, you would watch
that and go thank goodness,those people are way worse off

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than me.
Or those people are way crazierthan me.
They have a bunch of worse lifethan I do.
See that kind of comparison.
Thank you, margarita.
Thank you for joining.
I love you.
Or at least you know.
At least I don't look like that, for instance.

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It's not a guilty thing, it's amatter of just watching what the
ego is doing, right?
So it's watching what the egois doing.
The ego is trying to make it sothat you are in a mortal body
which you're not.
You're not in it, you're not inthis body.
It's more honest to say thebody and its whole world are
manifesting in your mind.

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They're popping up in your mindout of a thought that you're
separate.
It's only the thought ofseparation that's making this
whole thing.
So, to see the real world, tobring about the real world, to
basically adopt Christ's vision,is to have no tolerance for
illusions.
And you know, for me, I justwatch my mind, I just notice it,

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I just notice what's going on.
What kind of illusions am Imaking, real, right, it's not
trying to make myself perfect,it's not trying to make some
kind of a self image, it's justnoticing what kind of illusions
am I making, real myself intosomething that's better or worse

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for another person than anotherperson?
How am I making myself as ifI'm important in someone's life?
Right, as if I'm important,because that's the ego's game
too.
The ego wants to be useful inpeople's lives.
Imagine this.
Imagine just being completelynot useful.

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Not useful in the ego's terms,as far as what you can do for
people.
But being 100% helpful becauseyou're willing to see everything
as love, that's the truehelpfulness, is being willing to
see everything as love.
That's the true helpfulness, isbeing willing to see everything
in love, because truly thereisn't anything else but love.

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There isn't.
We make up all these ideas, theideas we want.
Let's say, we want world peace,we want people to stop killing
in the world.
And you know, look, when youlook at your mind, it's like the

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only reason you can evenperceive that there's any
killing in the world is becauseyou believed in separation.
You believe that attack ispossible.
So what you're looking on inthe world truly is not any kind
of killing.
No one is capable of killing,no killing can even happen.
It's just a misperception.

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So you undo the misperceptionby extending love to the
perception of killing.
Even that perception, even thatscenario, it's made of
particles, it's projectedparticles.

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One with you, so you can extendlove to that One with you, so
you can extend love to that.
Even pests, let's say, like ants, are all over your kitchen.
There's two ways of dealingwith them.
You can try to force them outby poisoning them, or you can

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extend love.
You can actually extend love tothem Right, and even if you
find yourself doing some kind ofpoisoning or something on the
surface of things, you're usingit to collapse time because
you're extending love to them.
It's all mental and you canfeel it.

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It's an emotional connection.
You can feel it.
It's an emotional connection,you can feel it.
So, when you're emotionallyconnected with everything, like
in a grateful way, withwillingness to extend love to
anything, that seems like itshouldn't be the way it is, like

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you're either just extendinglove and you know, for the most
part, when things seem to begoing our way, we're expending
love right, and then whenthey're not, that stops, it's
like.
It stops like, oh, that persondidn't do things the way I want
them to do, or those ants won'tstay outside to keep on coming

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in my house I've had theperception of a couple of ants
here and there.
So first firsthand experienceof that and you know, I've
noticed that throughout too isnot getting infested with
anything, because I'll notice,maybe I'll notice one or two
cockroaches, for instance, andjust extend love to it like it's

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.
It's just being, that's justbeing, it's just being like that
and is and it's lovely the wayit is, and that includes
anything that pops up in thebody sense, just extending love
to it.
And it doesn't mean avoiding,you know, because people go to

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the opposite extreme with thistoo and go, okay, the body isn't
real, so it doesn't need anykind of care, for instance, I
don't need to, I don't need to,I could just disregard it.
That's also the ego.
That's different from extendinglove to it.
And you know, if you're lookingat it as it's not real, so you

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should disregard it, that's notextending love to it, it's
withholding love from it andthat's also harmful.
You're not really harming abody, you can't really harm a
body.
But all attacks when you're notextending love, that's attack.
It's one or the other.

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When you're not extending love,you experience it in a physical
sense.
The body can't really beattacked because it's not real,
but you experience it as if it'sbeen attacked.
And in that, when you have thatexperience too, that's the
opportunity to extend love.

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It always comes down to that,and whenever anyone seems to be
doing something wrong or doingsomething to you that they
shouldn't, that's also theopportunity to extend love.
You know, we get better at thisby our willingness to practice
it and we come into our ownpower, recognizing our own power

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to be commanding everything.
That's the thing.
That's what Jesus talks aboutis actually commanding life, not
controlling it.
That's different.
Not controlling outcomes oranything like that.
That's being in command of life, is collapsing time, and that's

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what we want is collapsing time, and that's what we want.
We want to bring about the endof time, not so that we could be
reabsorbed and not have anyexperiences anymore.
We're created withindividuality, with
self-awareness, so that we cancontinue experiencing

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indefinitely.
It never ends.
The experiences continue to goforward.
But the experiences we'rehaving when we perceive lack of
love, those aren't our trueexperiences, those aren't really

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in the glory of God.
So we want to bring it back tothe glory of God, everything
back into the glory of God.
Oh, what a blessing.
Even if you're asking for arefund, you know it's like you
do it with joy.
Whatever you seem to do, you doit with joy.
Even if you seem to be anactivist, you seem to be trying
to change something about theworld.

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When you're recognizing thatit's not real, you can do it
with joy.
And that's really the lesson,that's the teaching and the
learning To be doing everythingwith a sense of lightness and
with a sense of I'm just here toextend love I'm just witnessing

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this to extend love.
Even this pain let's say Allpain is already healed, because
all pain is fear and fear has nobasis in reality.
That includes emotional pain,you know.

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Maybe a memory comes up.
Someone seems to have donesomething to you, maybe it's
loss, maybe someone passed away,or they're just not talking to
you, right?
Maybe you realized that youcouldn't interact with a person
anymore, so you stoppedinteracting with them.

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But it still hurts your heart,right?
All this pain is just, it'sjust fear in disguise, and fear
has no basis in reality.
So it's already healed.
So it's already healed.
That's why there's no need tobrace ourselves against

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something All right.
So a lot of us get theperception that someone can come
around with negative energy andactually harm us, like someone
was relating with me today thatwhen a person started talking
about something negative, shefelt it.
It was like pain in her bodysense.
And I go oh well, you know whyyou're feeling pain in your body

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sense?
Because you're bracing againstthat projection.
In seeing that this is anopportunity for extending love,
your body sense becomes more andmore transparent to where we
can feel each other.
We can feel each other'senergies, but not take them on

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as if it's a painful thing,because there's no longer this
resistance like no, no, no, no,no, learning how to say yes.
Oh, someone's coming up to meand telling me that they're hey,
how are you doing today?
And they're going shitty.
I'm doing terrible.
My cat died and my mom hascancer and whatever the story is

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and it's like, oh, feel withthem, let your body sense be
translucent, feel with them soyou can extend love to every one
of those particles that you'reperceiving, even in a scenario
that's basically particles andyou could say it's God particles
that you're perceiving, butit's a misperception having them

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be made out into somethingnegative or bad.
Anytime you perceive anythingthat you seem to not want, that
it's negative or bad.
You're misperceiving Godparticles.
So the way to communicate is toextend love to those particles
so you can see past what it is.
And you know, I've seenconversations just really change

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and go to something very light,even when someone's coming with
a negative energy.
You know, I've seen it go tosomething really light because,
just because of my willingnessin my mind to extend love to
those particles that make upthis whole scenario that I'm
perceiving, to those particlesthat make up this whole scenario
that I'm perceiving.
No one can come up to me andtell me anything negative

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without me projecting it.
They can't do it, and I see howpeople go through it when they
believe that people can, thatpeople can actually come up and
give you some kind of negativeenergy and make you hurt.
It actually cannot occurwithout your authority.

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It's like you wrote the scriptfor them to come and tell you
that stuff, just so that you canget the opportunity to collapse
.
Time Now, from the ego's pointof view, these things need to
occur over and over again andyou need to keep on believing
them so that you can keep timegoing, so that we can keep this

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illusion going.
The ego is the one who needs tobe.
The ego has a need to beimportant to you.
So look at when you seem tohave a need to be important to a
person, useful, let's sayuseful.
Look at it like this what if Icould just be entirely useless

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in the world?
What if I used to be completelyuseless in the world and just
be love?
Just be extending love, not go,you know, have this idea, have
this self-image that I'mreliable or something like that.
Oh, we can always rely on them.

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This person always shows up forus whenever we're in need.
See, that's the ego.
You're going to show up, don'tworry.
You're going to show up just asmuch as you need to show up
Really.
Whether you're extending loveor not.

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You're going to show up inevery circumstance is how you
need to show up.
It's always perfect.
And knowing that, however youdo show up and whatever you seem
to say and however anythingseems to go, it's perfect for
everyone, including yourself,that's extending love.

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However I do show up, it'sperfect for everyone.
I can't get it wrong and youknow that can't be just for
yourself, it has to be foreveryone.
However they show up, it'sperfect for me.
Thank you for showing up thatway.
You know, sometimes people willbe apologetic.

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They'll be like oh, I'm sorryabout this, and it's like, even
if I don't say it, I usually dofind myself saying you know
something like oh, you'reperfect, you know, not even like
you don't need to be sorry, butyou're perfect.
No, whatever you're doing isperfect for me.
Actually, you know, even if Iseem to be going through some

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kind of pain or some kind ofstruggle or something like that.
You know I'm quick to letpeople know.
You're not causing this, you'renot the cause of this.
You're perfect, you're helping,you're helpful, you're always
100% helpful for me.
This is what teaches our mindthat we are not separate, and it

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teaches our mind ourimmortality.
And I'll notice when my mindgoes astray not with guilt, Not
with guilt.
You know, I've seen enough andlearned enough to not be
projecting guilt onto myself,not to be protecting the ego

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that way.
Right, I made a comment theother day.
I said it would be nice ifthese people would do block
therapy, because I noticed thatblock therapy seems to calm
people down.
It would be nice if thesepeople do block therapy.
And I saw that.
I go oh, it's as if something'swrong with them, because it's

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as if the way that they interact, the way that they live life,
whatever it is, the way thatthey look at things isn't good
enough.
And I got the solution Rightand it's just these subtle
things and it's fun to catchthem and recognize.

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Oh, that's meaningless, they'reactually perfect as they are.
They're giving me exactly whatthey need.
All that, what I need and whatthey need and what everyone
needs all the time, and that'sthe correction, that's the
recognition, that's where thecall for love gets met.
It's actually a call for loveand it's always coming from my

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own mind, right, another onethat I just saw yesterday.
You know, it's really simple.
I like to give you guys thesereal simple examples so you
could see um well, I was runningout of toilet paper, so I
bought some toilet paper over atthe store and I can't read what
it says on there.
It's um, it's in Spanish.

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I don't know what's going on.
As far as the I could pull outmy app and go and see what it
says.
But you know, I just got thetoilet paper I needed.
I asked the Holy Spirit whichtoilet paper should I get, and
then so I finally opened thetoilet paper last night and, oh
my goodness, it's got a strongaroma.

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Apparently it's got all kindsof synthetic chemicals all over
the toilet paper.
So my mind immediately makes adeal about it.
Oh my gosh, is it?
It's poison.
Basically it's poison.
I saw the movie Stink Talksabout synthetic chemicals, how

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they're poison.
Now I'm putting this on myprivatist of parts, apparently,
and immediately I caught it, Igo nope, this is an opportunity
to extend love.
The particles of this is howbasic it is, this is how subtle
it is and this is how persistentit is.

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This is an opportunity, righthere, to extend love to the
particles that make up thetoilet paper the particles, god
particles.
There's only God particles.
There's no other particles thatmake up the synthetic aroma,
that make up the synthetic aroma.

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And peace to the idea, sendpeace to the idea that anything
in this world can be poisonous,in fact, that anything in this
world can be poisonous or thatit can be medicine either way.
Again, there's a bit of aparadox here, isn't there?
Because it's not as if you'redisregarding what seems to be as

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far as going okay, I'll justput a bunch of chemicals all
over the place, all over myselfand all over the place, over the
place, all over myself and allover the place.
They're still recognizing apreference to what seems to be
joyful, healthy, however youwant to look at it, and allowing
that to be.
But when something seems to notgo your way, in that regard,

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way, in that regard, that'swhere you extend the truth,
extend the truth, like if I wereasked oh, what's the preference
of this individual?
It would be to have scent-freetoilet paper, but since I find

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myself with toilet paper thathas an aroma, immediately it's
like peace to that thought thatsays that anything is poisonous.
Right, I may find myselftomorrow or the next day going
out and trying again, gettingsome new toilet paper.
That doesn't matter, that'sneither here nor there, see, and
it's not a matter of temptingthe ego and going okay, now you

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have to put all these syntheticchemicals around you so you can
prove this is tempting the ego.
This is not what you're askedto do.
See the subtleties here.
You're not asked to do that.
It's still a matter of noticingthat.
It's still a matter of noticingwhat you're being asked to do,

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but not trying to make it sothat you're given more
forgiveness opportunities.
Don't worry, the forgivenessopportunities are coming.
You don't have to try to makeit so that there's more
forgiveness opportunities, forinstance.
This is what you know and, ofcourse, in miracles language
would call it tempting the ego.
Okay, that's not what we'retrying to do.

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It would be similar to someonewho has experienced before that
whenever they ate gluten, theywould blow up, not be able to
breathe, whatever kind ofsymptoms they are.
So what you're asked to do isdeny reality to those symptoms,
deny reality to this idea thatgluten can actually be a poison

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to your body.
You're actually projecting that.
What you're not asked to do isgo and purposely eat a bunch of
gluten.
That's thinking with the ego.
You're always going to get yourass kicked that way Because
then the ego is going to go.
Look see, your mind is weak.
Here's the evidence.

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Here's the evidence that yourmind is actually weak.
Here's the evidence that yourmind is actually weak.
To prove and demonstrate thatthis is an illusion you just
take whatever it is that comes,whatever it is that comes up,

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and these opportunities arecoming up all the time.
So you don't have to try tomake it.
You don't have to have to tryto make your own forgiveness
opportunities.
You don't have to try to go toa certain place so let's say so
you could see a bunch of poverty, so you can extend love there.
You don't have to try.
These things are automaticallygoing to be popping up.
You'll have a perception.

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Maybe, looking in the mirror,you'll see an extra wrinkle and
there's your forgivenessopportunity right there.
You're not asked to try to makeyourself like that so that you
can forgive it.
You're just asked to takewhatever it is that arises, and

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remember that God's will for youis perfect happiness, and your
joy and your happiness is inserving your function like that
Extending love.
Extending love to theseparticles, basically, that make
up everything, all the bodiestoo.

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So if a body is presentingitself as sick, let's say it's
yours.
Or another body is presentingitself as sick, it's willingness
to recognize that you'remisperceiving and, instead of

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resisting the apparent sickness,you're loving the particles
that are making up theexperience, they're making up
the scenario.
You're loving those particlesbecause those particles, those
God particles, they cannotpresent as sickness.

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Only your mind can make themlike that, and it's from lack of
love.
Mind can make them like thatand it's from lack of love.
That's why it's the extensionthat cures it, see, and you can

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apply that to any kind ofrelationship dynamic.
Um, one of them that's beenpresenting itself to me recently
is this one about trying tohold uh, equally male and female
uh, or whatever it seems to be.
Hold equally, all relating,whether it's romantic relating

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or anything.
It's kind of like a container.
When you have close relating,it's kind of like a container
and there's this sense of alwaystrying to keep things really
equal, like you do this, I dothis, you do this, I do this.
I've even heard the saying andyou know it'll like I'll feel

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something in my body's energyfield sometimes and not quite
know what it is, but over timeit'll present itself to me.
But that saying, teamwork makesthe dream work.
I heard that and I got thissense of obligation.
I'm like, hmm, that'sinteresting.
Why is there a sense ofobligation there?

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And you know that's becausethere's so much focus on form,
on what people should be doing,on you know, feeling like you
have like this pressure on you,like that, and so noticing it's

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not in the form, like that.
All of our relating is beyondthe form.
So trying to keep it, keepthings equal in the form, it
prevents the dance fromoccurring.
And these are all kinds ofrelationships In terms of, let's

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say, husband and wife kind ofrelationships where people live
together.
This is part of the ego'sagenda to be focusing on form.
It's not really about the form,it's about the content, it's
about the love that getsextended through this thing.
See, there's so much focus onthe form and trying to keep

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things equal, balanced in apretty way where there will be
less conflict because peoplewill be feeling like you know
they've contributed equally aswell as everyone else, you know,
and there might be instanceswhere sometimes some people are
contributing more and sometimesthey're contributing less,

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because the form is only there,it's only given you so that
there can be this extension oflove.
So what's happening is, and whatI notice is people are getting
burnt out and looking at okay,how can we keep this always even

(01:09:58):
, how can we always keep thiseven Like money, resources,
energy, everything like that,instead of going off of joy,
whatever is joyful right now,and letting things manifest just
the way that they do?
You know, I did this with mykids.
This is where I practice it alot with my kids in running a

(01:10:23):
household and having a parentchores to do right, not making
my kids do any chores, justwatching and watching.
You know, maybe I would findmyself asking them to help out

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with something, but notdemanding anything right, and
just watching, watching how theego mind moves.
If they don't do it, I'm goingto have to do it.
And then I look at that and youknow this is many years ago.
I actually wrote a book aboutthis.
It's called Unschooling forParents.
It's on my website,hopejohnsonorg, and there's a

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sense.
If they don't do it, that meansI'm going to have to do it.
And then it would occur to mewell, no one's really doing
anything, so what's the issue ifI do seem to have to do it, if
I do find myself doing extrachores, for instance?
Right?

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So it gave me this huge senseof freedom.
I couldn't believe how I waslike wow, just allowing everyone
to be how they are and notfocusing on trying to make it so
that it's even so, that we alldo the same amount of chores,
and then it doesn't even matter.
How do these things get done?

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I don't even know, but it's notdepending on anyone.
It's not depending on anyone topull through right To carry it
through for us.
People would ask me in thosetimes well, don't you think

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you're raising your kids to bespoiled or raising them to be
dirty, or anything like that?
And I go.
Well, the main thing is I wantto collapse time.
That's what I'm doing.
I'm not waiting for my kids togrow up before I start doing
that Main thing is I just wantto collapse time.

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I'm not trying to make it evenor anything like that.
Just let them be, let them havewhatever experience they need
to have and trust that the HolySpirit has them.
Holy Spirit is always workingin all of our minds.
Nothing's ever wrong.

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Wrong, if the bathroom gets tobe really dirty then you know,
I'll probably find myselfstepping up and cleaning it
because no one's doing it, butI'm not really doing anything.
That's the other thing.
I'm not really doing anything.

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And you know I've talked a lotrecently about my relationship
with my husband and about howthere was, there came to be, a
lack of sexual attraction, likethe sexual attraction just
diminished because my husbandwasn't holding the container as
far as financially and stufflike that.
And when it comes to somethinglike that, that's also the way

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it's supposed to go.
So I wasn't demanding on myhusband hey, you've got to do
this, you've got to hold thiscontainer for me, right?
This is just everyone's gettingexactly what they need.
Everyone's getting.
It's not like I'm trying to saythat he did it wrong and it

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should have gone a certain way.
It's like, no, that's also partof it.
You know, this is a part of thedynamics and the way they work.
These relationships aren'tmeant to go on and on and on and
last forever.
It's like there's not thedemanding for it and it's okay

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if it comes to oh, this helps ussee, this helps us see, what do
we really want?
You know, in this case myhusband wasn't actually doing
what he really wanted to do.
You know, he was actuallydenying himself.
He was getting the sensehimself, he was getting the

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sense that, um, he was gettingthe sense that he needed, he
needed me to carry this kind ofweight and see, that also has to
play out a certain way.
So the demanding in any wayjust doesn't need to occur.
And and for me I didn't see it,I didn't recognize that that's
what was going on.
I noticed that the sexualattraction was being diminished,

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but I didn't realize that itwas because he wasn't holding a
structure that was.
You know, he wasn't holding astructure that was allowing my
femininity to be in surrendermode, right.
I didn't realize that.
All I knew was that the HolySpirit's purpose was the purpose

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for everything that wasunfolding.
So when he reflected to me thathe was wounded, I was like,
okay, well, apparently that'sthe case.
I'm not feeling like pushinganyone toward anything.
There's no need to push anyonetoward anything.

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I'm sure it's all going to workout perfectly.
And it did, you know, eventhough that was the case where
the attraction diminished anddiminished and diminished.
It's also to show something.
It's like that's how we alllearn, that's how we all can see
.
Oh, here's how we extend lovebetter.

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And basically all we're doingis seeing these patterns that we
have, these patterns of fear,and recognizing that these
patterns of fear don't reallymean anything, we don't need to
keep them.
And we learn and we see how toextend love more and more and
more and more.
It doesn't matter how any ofthese relationships even go,

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that's not what they're for.
It's not to keep, let's say,your marriage is not to keep the
other person happy.
It's not like that.
But when I recognize it, I waslike oh, there's a dynamic going
on there.
I see it, you know.
And once I recognize it, oh,that's the dynamic.

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Then it's like, oh, I don'thave to play that dynamic
anymore, there's no need for meto play that dynamic.
And I could see my part in thedynamic Like it's.
We're both making it.
We're both making it like this.
So it's not about trying to getperformance out of a person,
it's just noticing how we'reboth making it.

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I noticed within my mind therewas a lack of trust, and we're
all going through patterns likethis.
There was a lack of trust inthe spirit to sustain my body
and to sustain my family.
So my mind put the pressure onmyself to do it and in that I
became resentful toward myhusband.

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It was perfect and from myhusband's point of view, he was
afraid of doing work that hethought he didn't like and he
thought he needed me.
He thought he needed it to comefrom outside of him.
We're both really playing thesame kind of pattern.
It's lack of trust in thesustainer of all things.

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So that's what it's going to do.
It's going to play out indifferent ways and it's going to
be perfect.
See, there's no, there'snothing here to try to change,
to try to make it better on this, on the surface.
Like I said before, theserelationships are not meant to
give us what we think they'remeant to give us, and that's
relationship with all things.
That's your relationship withyour body.

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It's not meant to give you whatyou think it's meant to give
you.
It's only manifesting so thatyou can use it for undoing the
patterns that keep this worldprojecting, so that people are
thinking, oh, we need to go tocounseling and get our

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relationship more perfect.
It's like, no, I don't need itto do any.
It let's do exactly what it'sdoing, let it unfold exactly
like it's unfolding, right.
You'd say a business, forinstance.
That's also a relationship.
And what I noticed, you know, Ihad a business and a marriage

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tied into the whole thing andit's like the marriage and the
business were structures thatwere giving me exactly what I
needed to see, what I needed tosee, until that wasn't necessary
anymore.
And then, in one fail swoop, Iset aside the marriage and the
business.
They're done, because I gotwhat I needed out of them.
I, you know, I got what.
I got what I needed as far aswhat the Holy Spirit would have

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me learn through thesesituations, and that's what's
happy about them.
I mean, there wasn't anything,even though you know I'm going
through apparent trials.
These are apparent trials.
That's what we have through ourlives.
There's this current ofhappiness that runs through it
too.
There's all kinds of fun timesbeing had right, while there's

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this current of happiness andjoy, and I'm able to touch in on
that all the time as I'mlearning my lessons, as I'm
learning how to extend love more.
And basically, you know, in thiscase, in the example I gave you
, the main crux of it and thismay be the main crux for so many

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and, who knows, maybe everyoneis the lack of trust in the
Spirit to sustain and support us.
So then we're looking outsidefor that.
See, for myself, I was puttingit on myself, for my husband's

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side, he was also putting it onme, but there is no real me, so
it's not really a problem.
I don't mind.
You know, I saw this for yearsand years and years and years
and I would just keep on going.
Holy Spirit, I know you've gotthis, I know the lessons are
coming out of this Right, andthen at some point it gets to
the point where all the lessonsare learned, all the lessons are

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done with that and it's justlike the next step.
It was very easeful and apparent.
The next step is to go okay,setting the marriage and the
business aside, all at once andwithout animosity.
That's the other thing, becausethere's no sense of, oh, this

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is what he did to me, or heshould have been a better
husband, or he should have beenthis, or he should have been
that.
No, he was exactly the way Ineeded him to be and right now
he's exactly the way I need himto be and he sees me the same
way.
That's how you have a holyrelationship.
That's really how you have aholy relationship.

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It's not about it going perfectaccording to how the ego would
have it go.
See, we're going to beprojecting our lack of love.
You could say, we're going tobe projecting our lack of love
onto each other.
That's what we do, just so thatwe can see it.

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So it's gratitude.
It's gratitude for everything,everything everyone seems to be
doing and noticing.
When you're not in gratitude,that is the moment that all
you're being asked to is to lovethat scenario, love that person

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, love that person's body, right, which is basically made of God
particles.
It's all made of God particles.
So you know, people might ask ismy kids are adults now.
Well, how did those kids turnout?
You didn't make them do anychores.
You bought them anything theywanted.

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All they had to do is say theword and you bought them
whatever they wanted.
My motto was as long as I seemto have the means and they're
asking for something, I just goahead and buy it for them.
Never made them wrong.
Right, yay, welcome.

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And people would ask well, howdid that work out?
Well, perfectly, it worked outperfectly.
There's not anything to saylike look, here's how it went.
That made it look good, here'show it went.
That made it look bad.

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It's perfectly, becauseeveryone gets whatever they need
out of the scenario.
Everyone always gets what theyneed.
I love you, aloha, I love you,aloha.

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Okay, you too, you too, yay.
So you know, when someone askedme the other day, they said how
is your relationship with yourkids?
And I go it's great, it'sperfect.
It can't be any better becausethere's nothing wrong.
I can't see anything wrong withanything, and that includes, at

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one point in time, one of mysons wasn't talking to me, and
if people asked me during thattime too, I'd be like it's
perfect, I love it, right.
And it opens the door for themto come around to how they
really want to be.
What I see is my kids.
They want to be loving.
They especially want to beloving to their mom, right?

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Everyone's like that, everyonewants to be loving.
So when I got the sense that myson wasn't talking to me, I
didn't take it as something thatwas bad at all.
I love that he was exercisinghis own, you know, his own will,
like that.
I don't want to talk to my mom,so I'm not gonna Great, and we

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were living in the same house atthat time.
There's a very small kitchenand we'd see each other in the
kitchen and I just regard itlike, oh, we're meditating
together.
You know, this is how it is.
We're not talking there.
This is great.
I love it.
I love however it transpires.
You know, I've had instanceswith my kid getting mad at me,

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you know, and ruining thingsaround the house because they're
so mad, punch a hole in thewall, throw my baking dish,
stuff, like that.
I'm like, oh, thank you, right,right, right to you know, right
to him.
While he's doing it, he'slooking at me, he's, you know,
trying to get some kind of youshouldn't be doing this.

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And I'm going how do you feelnow, you know?
Do you feel better afterthrowing the dish?
And you know it comes, italways, always, always comes
back to love Everything, everyhurt.
It's already healed, it'salready healed in love.

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Now, see that.
So, no matter what kind ofscenario you're going through
right now, I guarantee you, ifyou're in any kind of
relationship at all friends,lovers, parent, child, anything
like that.
You're projecting onto eachother.
As long as there's a form of abody, you're projecting onto

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each other.
As long as there's a form of abody, you're projecting onto
each other and you're makingsome weird ideas and scenarios
appear as if they're real.
This is actually how we bond.
This is how we bond.
It's really beautiful, likewith me and my husband.
We may not be physicallytogether anymore, we may not be

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having a marriage anymore, butwe're bonded through the
experience.
There's so much love therethrough the experience, because
there's not trying to projectafter the fact.
This is what people go throughtoo.
They'll go through a divorceand then all of a sudden, it's
like they're the worst person.

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They'll tell people they're theworst person and they feel like
they did it wrong.
They did relating wrong.
Or you might put it on yourselfand go.
I did the relating wrong and Ifeel really guilty about it.
None of that is necessary and Ifeel really guilty about it.
None of that is necessary.
Whatever the projection seemedto be, it was perfect.

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The more you would give it tothe Holy Spirit, the more you'll
see that, and it's never toolate to give it to the Holy
Spirit.
It's not like you can look backon it and go, oh, I didn't give
it to the Holy Spirit, so Iruined the whole thing.
Well, you can, but you don'tneed to do that Right now.
You can give the whole scenarioto the Holy Spirit, even though

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it seems to have already passed.
Maybe someone seems to haveeven passed away and there's a
sense of I didn't do it right.
My husband and I were talkingabout that a lot because, you
know, once I left the marriage,my husband could see clearly,
like all of the ways where hewas behaving in ways that it

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seemed like he didn't want tobehave, basically because he was
thinking in ways that herealized after the fact he
didn't want to think like thatand he wishes he would have done
it different.
So we were having conversationsabout that and basically I was
relating to him that it wentperfectly.

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It couldn't have been anotherway, it couldn't have been a
better way.
It's actually just a dream thatyou're projecting right now as
if you've done it wrong, as ifthis is actually real.
There's no reality to thisRight now.
This is where you accept theHoly Spirit's judgment, which is

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pure acceptance.
Which is pure acceptance sothat right now you could be in
holy relationship, see.
So he went through a period andand who knows, maybe he still
does have these kinds ofthoughts coming up, right when
it seems like he should havedone it different, where he

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should have, but it should havebeen.
More of this, could have beenmore of that, right.
But he knows now to look onthose things with the Holy
Spirit so that he can actuallyuse whatever it is that's
arising Remember, there's onlynow.
There's only now, whatever itis that's arising to collapse

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time and see reality.
Right, that's what we want touse everything for.
So it's not a matter of goingback and going oh, I should have
treated her differently.
I should have, let's say, Ishould have attended her talks
instead of resisting everythingshe was doing.

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I should have been more likethis I should have been holding
a container for her so she couldflow, so she could do her
spiritual teachings withouthaving to be supporting the
family.
It's not like that at all.
It was perfect for me.
I got the scenario that I needed, because my lack of trust in

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the spirit to support andsustain my body and also my
whole family's body, made it sothat I also projected.
We did that together.
I projected a scenario wherethe weight needed to be on me
for financially providing for myfamily, providing for my family

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, and I also needed to have theexperience of sexual attraction
diminishing over time,apparently because of that.
So the way that's changed,because I'm seeing the scenario
right now, I'm seeing what it ishow I played out that scenario.
Scenario right now, I'm seeingwhat it is how I played out that
scenario.
Now that's just not somethingthat would be acceptable to me.

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It wouldn't be acceptable to meto accept responsibility for
sustaining my own body, muchless my whole family's body.
That's why it keeps everythingyoung, vibrant, juicy in that
way, really, because everyattack and basically it's

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attacking where we're sayingthat we are in charge of our own
sustenance that's an attack onthe body, on the body, and when
we say something like that, webelieve that we're in charge of
our own sustenance.
We also look out on the worldand see people who aren't doing
it well and see people whoapparently need our help, people

(01:32:11):
who need, like us, to help thembe sustained because they're
not sustained by the love of God, because they're not sustained
by the love of God.
See, in recognizing this, wehelp everyone in recognizing
that we're all sustained by thelove of God, that there's no
need for any of us to put anykind of pressure on ourselves or

(01:32:31):
on another person.
See, so it's not like now I'mgoing to go to the opposite
extreme and now only go with apartner who would let me put the
pressure on them.
See, that's how the ego wouldplay it.
The ego would just workopposites, opposites, opposites.

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Okay, now I played this scenariowhere I'm the one who has to
take care of sustaining my bodyand my whole family and my
husband and everything like this.
So now I'm only going to gowith people who would take that
responsibility on themselves andjust keep on playing the
opposites and projecting theillusion forward, forward,

(01:33:15):
forward by playing opposites.
No, it's about thinkingdifferently.
It's about thinking with theway the Holy Spirit would have
us think, and that is I'msustained by the love of God
alone.
I don't need any kind ofsustenance anywhere from anyone.
It's not necessary, necessary.

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Okay, I've had, I've had allkinds of um, I've had all kinds
of insight on this.
You know, the Holy Spirit hasshown me that.
You know, when it comes to anykind of sexual interaction too,
we're using sex to get things orusing sex to try to make

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joining.
That's what these, that's whathappens in these, these, these
romantic relationships.
So it's as if and one of thetrials that I was going through
is that I have opened up to thisperson in that way and they're
not holding a container for me,right, that's one of the trials
that we go through.
It's like, and it's like thissense of something's,

(01:34:23):
something's wrong, something'swrong.
So, noticing that this is a gamethat I've played, all of what I
perceive is just a game that Ihave played, just a game that I

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have played and the Holy Spiritshows me that I don't need to
pursue any kind of sexualinteraction anymore.
I don't need to do that.
You know, there would be apursuit in thought, starting
when I was super young, likethat's some kind of safety,
right, like that's some kind ofjoining that's going to get me
something that I want.
And it's like now, from thisperspective, what I see is

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there's no safety in that at all.
That's not anything, that's nota way of joining.
And when trying to join likethat, it's like disrespecting
the spirit in ourselves andwithin the other person.
So it's not a matter of pushingit away either.
It's not a matter of resistance, it's not a matter of taking on
a new identity now that saysI'm celibate, for instance.

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It's a matter of recognizingthat you're not going to get
anything out of that.
That's not leading to anything.
It's not getting you toanything that you want.
It's nothing like that.
And you know, and also noticing, there's a lot of emotions that
seem to be involved in that.

(01:35:52):
So noticing, you know, what doesthe container of the
relationship feel like?
Is there provision in thecontainer of the relationship
feel like?
Is there provision in thecontainer of the relationship?
Is there provision so that thefeminine aspect can lean right?
This feminine aspect can leanon the container, on the

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provision, and the masculineaspect can lean on the
feminine's ability to surrenderand recognize coherence in the
field.
See, that's different thantrying to make two people equal
and trying to keep an equalfooting.
You know, I noticed that in mineand my husband's relationship

(01:36:37):
it was like this, underlyingtrying to keep things really
equal.
And the way that looked was Iwas in charge of all the
finances and making sureeverything got paid and all that
kind of stuff, and my husbandwould clean and cook and do
things around the yard, right,hard, right, and it's a and it's

(01:37:06):
.
It seems like, oh, it's neatbecause we all, you know, we
have our, our duties and stufflike that.
But what was going on?
We weren't able to go deeper.
We weren't able to go deeplybecause there was no leaning
from the feminine side of things.
There is no surrender.
There is not this ability tosurrender like as, let's say, as
a vortex.

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You can look at a relationshiplike a vortex, as this vortex
being able to spiral deeper andactually lose ourselves, lose
these separate identities, notlose our distinct sense of self,
but the separateness, theseparate identities.
So what I saw was there needsto be more of that ability to

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lean from the feminineperspective, and that doesn't
have to always do withmale-bodied and female-bodied,
but there's a sense and we knowit automatically, like what
roles we're actually.
You know we're actually givencertain roles that were meant to
play in the field and so manytimes they get reversed.

(01:38:12):
And that's what happened withme and my husband.
They they got reversed like Iwas.
I intuitively knew that my rolewas not to hold down all of the
structure like that as far asfinancial, that my role was to
be in surrender right and healso intuitively knew that his

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role was to hold the structure.
But when you get into the ego,it gets flipped so many times
and that's what happened.
It just flipped, the roles gotflipped Again.
Nothing went wrong.
It's only foreseeing, sorecognizing that I'm not

(01:38:58):
important to save anyone.
So now, when I'm not importantto save anyone, so now when I'm
relating with people, I noticethat tendency to take care of
them in a way that's actuallyguided by ego and it seems so
subtle, Like just not allowingthem to just like be as they are

(01:39:22):
, perfectly as they are.
It's like looking oh, they needthis kind of help.
That happens a lot as far aslike people who seem to need
spiritual help from me, and thenthey'll play into it with me,
like, oh yeah, I do need it, Ineed you to be around, I need
this, I need this, I need this,I need this.

(01:39:49):
It's like, no, you actuallydon't, you actually don't need
that.
I'm not.
That's not what I'm for In myown mind.
I'm meant for extending love,and you too, you're only meant
for extending love.
You're not meant for playing asif you're needy.
You have it all already.
You're exactly as God createdyou.

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You're not the body, You're notthis sense like you're lost.
The best way you can helpsomeone who seems to be lost is
to not be lost yourself, to bereceiving the love of God
yourself, and you know the wayto that is forgiving your

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illusions.
So anything that comes up thatsays that they're not in their
right mind, they're lost, theyneed your help, anything like
that.
You bring it to the truth.
Everyone is guided by the HolySpirit, everyone is perfectly
taken care of.

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So in that you can have anyperceptions, and they all lead
to more and more and more joy.
Ah, thank you.
Yes, yes.
Well, you know one thing Jesussaid, in the Bible too, is seek
first the kingdom of heaven andall else will be added onto you.
Seek first the kingdom ofheaven.

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So for me, like when I look atmy relationship with my husband,
I stopped in certain instances.
I mean, I was still doing it, Iwas practicing all the time,
but I was also seeing throughsome delusion.
You know there was a periodwhere I needed to see through
some things, but there was thisnot seeking the kingdom of

(01:41:35):
heaven first, where I'm actuallyseeking to get financial
security by putting the weighton myself first, as if the
kingdom of heaven comesafterwards.
We can all like, we all havethe masculine and feminine
aspect playing within us, andthese are just symbols.

(01:41:55):
They're not real.
It's basically pointing to thisstructure and surrender.
As long as we're dreaming,that's what we're doing.
We're building structures andwe're surrendering them.
Building structures,surrendering them, that's all.
So as we're doing this, aswe're seeing this play out,

(01:42:16):
we're also seeing how ourpatterns are, how we're afraid
to let go right.
So there is fear on both mineand my husband's part to let go
of the structure of ourrelationship when it wasn't
working anymore, not to say thatagain, that that was bad

(01:42:36):
because it was showing us moreand more and more the structure
as it is, as a non-working, asin it's really.
It's not spiraling deeper as acommunion together, like the
communion is kind of like cutoff.
So it's not spiraling deeper,but still we're both spiraling

(01:42:59):
as we do within ourselves.
I was super focused on thisspiral within myself, so it's
like it wasn't a union with himdoing it, but it was within my
own mind, right, and with him hewas in resistance.
Still, the Holy Spirit had himthe whole time right.
So we go further, faster though, in awakening our mind when we

(01:43:23):
actually join together.
So the structure being as itwas, where there wasn't this
mental joining, it wasn't aseffective as a structure, but
still we're both learning whatwe need to learn through it.
We're not seeing that this isactually over as far as being a

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joining that would spiral usboth deeper into union with God,
into forgiveness and all ofthat together.
So it's kind of like you'regoing on your own with the Holy
Spirit and that's part of theprocess.
It's like now, at this point, Iwould only accept close

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relationship with mightycompanions.
But I needed to go through thatto see.
At this point, I would onlyaccept it with mighty companions
as far as any kind of romanticor sexual relationship.
What I'm seeing is that's notnecessary for me, it's not even
necessary.
That's not the same as sayingI'm rejecting it, though you

(01:44:29):
know, if the Holy Spirit showsme down the line that it is,
it's also going to be in asituation where this is a holy
companion, not just somethingwhere we're holding some kind of
structure where we're raisingkids.
This is a situation it's gotthis structure where you're
raising kids and you're doingthese things in the world

(01:44:51):
together.
That doesn't mean anything tome.
See, it comes to that pointwhere this is where it becomes
more of that spiral, whereyou're actually joining together
I'm having no closerelationships with anyone who's
not a mighty companion andthat's basically a meeting of

(01:45:12):
the minds where we're joiningtogether for this one purpose.
It's not a purpose in the world, it's not for attaining things.
It's not for attaining things,it's not for attaining riches,
or it's not for attainingknowledge, let's say, or
attaining anything in the world.
We're not getting together forthat purpose.
We're only getting together forjoining our minds.

(01:45:34):
So it took going through thiswhole process to get to this
point.
And what the Holy Spirit showedme too earlier on, talking about
how the structure of therelationship as far as joining
our minds was over for about 10years right, I would ask the
Holy Spirit, what would you haveme do?

(01:45:55):
And the Holy Spirit showed mevery clearly stay where you are.
You got lessons to learn.
There are things for you tolearn here, and so this is what
brought me to this point.
Now, this is what brought me tothis point where I wouldn't
accept anything else but holyrelationship, mighty companions,
as any kind of close relating.

(01:46:17):
It's like I don't need a closerelating for a structure anymore
, because I depend wholly on Godfor sustenance.
I'm sustained by the love ofGod.
That has sunk in.
Once that sunk in, that's whenI set aside the marriage and the

(01:46:41):
business and I just said I'mtotally done with this.
Now there's no need for thisanymore.
I'm sustained by the love ofGod.
There's no necessity forbuilding anything in the world
with anyone and putting ourminds toward building something
up Right and putting our mindstoward building something up

(01:47:02):
right, unless that thing isactually guided by the Holy
Spirit, which it wasn't anymore.
Thank you, Thank you.
I'm glad you can see that.
I'm so grateful that I'm ableto share these kinds of things
with you.
I know that it goes deep anddeeper than what we're usually

(01:47:25):
willing to even look at withthese relationships and stuff
and this includes relationshipsto everything.
Right, it's like if we don'tuse our relationships for seeing
through, they're just going tolead to all kinds of pain, right
, just a lot of pain.
And even, as you know Imentioned earlier, even as we're

(01:47:48):
using them for these things, aswe're using them both, because
what we try to do is use themfor both, we try to use them for
, you know, building somethingin the world.
I saw a long time ago that mybusiness that I started in 2011

(01:48:08):
had run its course by 2014 forme.
But then there was the sense ofI need to keep it up.
I need to keep it up eventhough, at the same time, I'm
using it, so we're trying to useit for both things, like the
Holy Spirit's purpose and alsoour own purpose at the same time
, and that's what brings up thepain.

(01:48:28):
That's what brings about thepain.
Then the way I look at the painis that it's helpful.
I would go through pain everysingle day over my business and
over my marriage for the past 10years Well, not the past 10
years, because it's been a yearnow since I left the marriage
and the business but I would gothrough the pain.

(01:48:51):
But I'd go through the paingladly because I knew it was
teaching me something and I knewthat there was an end there's
always an end and I knew that itwould work out perfectly.
And it knew that there was anend there's always an end and I
knew that it would work outperfectly and it did.
It showed me through the pain.
And then what I do with pain.
Here's how I do it.
I feel the feeling I don'tbelieve the thoughts as best as

(01:49:12):
I can, and I got better andbetter at it over the 10 years
until it came to the point where, okay, I could just set this
aside.
Yay, it's sunk in for you.
Yeah, I love it.
I'm so happy about that.
I know I've been talking aboutthis not just in this session,
but for many years, and I knowthat some of you have been

(01:49:34):
joining me for many years inthese sessions and heard me talk
about these things in alldifferent ways and going through
it myself, and it just heartensme so much when you come to me
or you reflect to me hope.
It sunk in, it actually sunk inright, and I don't mind

(01:49:55):
repeating it so many times.
I feel like I just haveinfinite patience for it.
I just have infinite patiencefor repeating the lessons over
and over again until they takeshape within you.
And the same thing, I'm doingit for myself.
See that I've been doing it formyself.

(01:50:16):
I definitely reached a pointlast year where it came to it,
year where it came to a head,and it's like, oh, okay, now I
really feel it.
Now I really do feel sustainedby the love of God.
I don't even care how thisthing is going, because I know
I'm sustained as long as I'mwilling to extend love, and this

(01:50:36):
doesn't even depend on megetting to share like this with
you guys, like here on WisdomDialogues.
It doesn't depend on me havinga laptop to be able to do this.
It only depends on if I'mwilling to extend the love of
God rather than make illusionstrue, and that has come on to me

(01:50:58):
more and more.
It's become more and more realto me because of my willingness
to do it, and I'm totallygrateful for this opportunity to
share with you guys, both withyou in person here and with all
the people who are online rightnow and everyone who will watch
and listen to this later.

(01:51:19):
It makes me so happy and forhowever amount of time people
can come back to this as they'regetting awakened, as their mind
is ready to receive these kindsof teachings and to see it and
to get it, and to see it, and toget it and to go.
Oh, the main thing is you guysbe relaxed.

(01:51:43):
Whatever it is you seem to begoing through, it is right for
you and you know, just keep onasking the Holy Spirit to show
you what it's for.
You know, when I was in asexual relationship with my
friend, when it first started, Iwas like, oh boy, ok, holy
Spirit, you know, show me yourpurpose in this, show me.

(01:52:06):
And you know, that doesn't meanthat it wasn't going to be
painful, it was actually themost painful nine months I think
I've gone through, maybe ever,I don't know.
But what it seemed to me was itwas bringing up pain that I had
buried before, that I wasn'tready to look at, that I was

(01:52:26):
able to bring up in thisparticular relationship right.
So I kept on going, holy Spirit, your purpose, I only want it
for your purpose.
I don't want it for any otherpurpose.
Even though it felt so nice andthe sex was so great and
everything like that, I justkept on asking like that.
And so what that shows me isit's not that you're not going

(01:52:50):
to get the pain.
Yes, there was pain, but allpain is just fear being made
manifest and it's always healedalready.
So it's showing me more andmore and you know, it's been
showing me relationship patterns, so much that I've been able to
write about and for those whoare ready to receive it, they

(01:53:10):
can receive the message, thosewho are not ready to receive it.
It's like it's just sittinghere in consciousness, just kind
of like waiting here as a giftfor whenever the individualized
consciousness arise to thatpoint where they're able to
receive the teaching.

(01:53:30):
It's such a blessing I'm sohappy to share with all of you.
Thank you so much for joiningme today.
So yay.
So for more Hope Johnson, youcan go to hopejohnsonorg.
There you'll find how to signup for my Substack, which is
free, and most of the contentthat I do on Substack is free.
If you want to listen to mybonus audios, which I recommend,

(01:53:54):
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Minimum amount for a paidsubscription on Substack is $8 a
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If you would prefer to donateto me directly, you could do
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will give you a free paidsubscription to Substack as well

(01:54:15):
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If you'd like access to me forone-on-one, I love to give
one-on-ones.
It's so much fun.
I do minimum of 15 minutes and,yes, people can get major
breakthroughs in 15 minutes.
Bring whatever scenario you'vegot going to me and I'll help
you see it through the HolySpirit's eyes.
I mean, basically, I just tuneinto the Holy Spirit with you

(01:54:37):
and we join together and seethrough it.
So there's one-to-one access tome there.
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(01:55:01):
Thank you so much for joining.
Thank you, wayne.
I see your note.
Thank you, I feel radiant too.
Thank you so much.
I love you.
Mahalo Aloha and a hui hou.
Thank you.

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