Body is for Communication | Wisdom Dialogues @ Ajijic, Mexico | August 4, 2025 - Hope Johnson's Wisdom Dialogues

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Aloha and welcome to Wisdom Dialogues with Hope
Johnson, coming to you fromAjijic, mexico.
Yay, thank you so much forjoining.
Yes, woo, uh, whoo, oh, been,uh, been clearing so much.

(00:28):
Oh, my goodness, what apurification it's been.
Wow, hmm, let's take a momentto breathe together.
Ah, thank you, acahi.
Yes, vibrant and healthy, thankyou.
He's saying.
I'm looking vibrant and healthy.

(01:01):
Yes, well, you know, the body is100%, a reflection of the
mental 100%.
And as long as we're willing touse our body only for
communication, you know whatthat means.
Using it only for communication, it's not using the body to try
to get anything in the world.
That's where the vibrancy comesfrom.
It's when we use the body totry to get anything or to attack

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right To attack is really totry to get something for the ego
.
It gets identity for the ego.
So, not using the body forattack, not using the body to
try to get anything, which isreally the same thing as attack.
And the reason it's the samething as attack is because we
don't really want anything here,and all of our seeking in the

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world only leads to one thingdeath.
And, on the way, a lot ofattack also, all attack is
physical.
That's the only kind of attackthere is.
So it's like we're attackingour own form with these thoughts
that basically deny the truepurpose of our body, which is

(02:07):
communication.
And let's go into that for aminute.
A minute Communication.
What is that?
Why?
Why is the body only to be usedfor communication?
And that's because this wholeworld is only meant to be used
for purifying guilt.

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It's not meant to be used foranything else.
You know the ego has otherpurposes for the world.
You know, to get something toattain, to have a better status
in the world, to have a betterstatus in the world.

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But that's not what it's for.
That's misunderstanding whatthe world is actually for.
And to the ego that sounds likeit can't be fun.
Then, if we're only using thebody for communication, if all
we're doing is using it to wakeup from the dream, then how
could it be any fun?
Right?
But what's really fun, whatreal fun comes from, is resting

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in the truth, and it's veryrestful, it's spacious and it's
restful to recognize what thebody is for.
So what's been coming reallyclear to me lately, in the past
couple weeks actually, I did apost on Substack about it.
Some of you guys might have seenit.

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Also, I do voiceovers for those.
I know they're long and they'relike.
The last one I did was over1,700 words and I do read them
so you can listen to thevoiceover.
But you have to be a paidsubscriber in order to do that.
And what I'm telling you guysfor my wisdom dialogues people

(03:55):
and my ACIM deep dive people, Ioffer free, lifetime paid
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And then I encourage you todonate via my website, because
donations that you do onSubstack they take 15% and I

(04:16):
don't think you can use them asa tax write-off.
But when you do it on mywebsite, I'm a non-profit
religious organization, I'm anonprofit religious organization
, so you get a tax write-off,probably 100% tax write-off.
So I encourage you guys to geton as a paid subscriber, even if

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it's a free paid subscriber,because then you can listen.
I not only do a voiceover, but Ido another reflection.
I call it a bonus audio.
It's a reflection on that piecewhere it's just free flow,
going into it Raw, unfiltered,unedited, and the last one I did

(05:01):
was an hour and 20 minutes.
So it's kind of like anotherwisdom dialogues actually.
So, anyways, I've been goinginto the whole relationship and
specifically sexual relationship.
Since I've moved here, I spentmy first month.
I've been here since June.
I spent my first month atNamaste Village, where it

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happens to be people who arearound I would say around 75,
maybe.
Average age is 75, 75 to 80years old and the reflection
that I got was from many of themcertainly not all of them, but
many of them is this sexuallonging, a longing for a partner

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, and you know, sex is part ofit, but there's this longing for
a partner that's kind of like alife partner and it's all
really the same.
Longing is longing, it's notrecognizing who you are and the
seeking.
And then I also took a trip toGuadalajara, where I just saw

(06:08):
all of these posters of missingpeople like thousands of them, I
think just walking around andit occurred to me that this sex
trafficking thing and then thelonging for this, this kind of
union, it's like a body union,it's a, it's a union of two
bodies, which is reallyimpossible, right?

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So it came really clear to meand this was something that I
had an intention for back inHawaii that I wanted to purify
sexual desire within myselfbecause I just noticed that it
led to pain.
So here you know, and havingthese different perceptions and
then moving out.

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I moved out of Namaste and cameand lived down by the lake and
you know, I was havingoccasional it wasn't as often as
before because it's been reallylightening up the whole time
ever since I made that intentionwhere I was like I want to
purify sexual desire and Iwasn't sure what that looked

(07:13):
like, but I wasn't afraid of it.
I was like, does that look like?
No more sex, I don't know, butI'm not going to be afraid of it
, right, because I see thesuffering that it's causing.
And look at this, you're notalone in experiencing the
effects of your thoughts.
So I'm going oh, the world thatI perceive is actually coming

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from me.
So there's a world that Iperceive, one it seems like all
the dudes around town, most ofthe dudes around town.
There's gay ones too, but mostof the dudes around town are
into me, like Uber drivers,anyone.
And then I'm getting theperception of all this suffering

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that people are going throughover not having that partner and
also being up in age and havingthe belief that they're not
attractive enough to hook apartner anymore, right, and
looking at that and going, wow,this is giving to me right now

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to purify it.
If everything I perceive iscoming from me and I'm not alone
in experiencing the effects ofmy thoughts and the effects of
how I see, then I'm the onecausing all of this suffering,
including all of the apparentsex trafficking that I perceive

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and thousands of people'sposters everywhere around
Guadalajara about being missing.
Right, so I had, I had a, I hadan experience where it was.
It just goes.
I just saw really clearly.

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It always leads to suffering,holy shit, it always leads to
suffering.
And then there's this sensewithin me but no, there has to
be some way.
There has to be some way that Icould have that and it wouldn't
be suffering.
And it was shown to me reallyclearly.

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It's always suffering.
It's seeking in any way, seekingin any, you know, in any way.
And I was talking with myfriend about it because, you
know, I feel like within myself,I feel really clear about it,
because it's like, even when alittle bit like the ego will
talk to me, maybe it'll be likea voice or a word.

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I heard before where it's kindof like trying to hook me in to
the fantasy of having thatbasically special person,
special relationship, right,kind of hook me into that
fantasy and I'll just bereminded, no, that I know what
that leads to.
It's not only just adistraction, it's actually a

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substitute.
It's actually a substitute forresting in truth.
So it's like we can never know,and that's the ego's hook.
We can never know what restingin truth is like, as long as
it's taken as something valuable, that seeking and you know I'm

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talking specifically here aboutsex and seeking a partner, but
it's really any kind of seeking,it's really any kind of seeking
.
You know, for me that was justthe one, and it seems to be that
a lot of the people that I'vebeen interacting with too,

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that's the one major hook.
It's like there's always likethis little bit of hopefulness
that there's going to be thatspecial one that chooses you.
And it's like this sacred union.
And here's the thing aboutsacred union it has nothing to

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do with bodies.
That's what's been coming moreand more clear to me this week.
It has nothing to do withbodies, and what I noticed about
myself is I just have no tiesto anybody, and that feels
really good, it's reallyenlivening, it's very restful to

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have no ties, no dependency, nosense of any kind of ownership
or wanting.
It's not even uh, it's not evena matter of uh, looking for
someone to sit across from me,it's not even that.

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It's not looking for a body atall, because true union is union
with the entire, entire sonshipand God as one.
God, jesus, the sonship, all ofthat, as soon as we choose one,
as soon as we choose one orwant to be chosen as one, it's

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like a total rejection of all ofthe others.
See, and that's what's leadingto all of this that we perceive
in the world, it's thisunwillingness to be one with all
that is that includes all thekind of abuse that we perceive

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on any scale corporate abuse,right, Government abuse On any
scale.
Corporate abuse, right,government abuse, any of that.
It's all reflected, it's allcoming from our own mind.
When we take 100%responsibility for it.
It's like, oh, my goodness, Idon't want to trade.
That's not a good trade-off toget a moment of where I don't

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want to project a good feelingonto my body anymore, right?
I don't want to project a goodfeeling onto my body anymore,
right?
I don't want to project a goodfeeling.
And what I mean about that islike this, like to dream about
something you might get in theworld and project a sense of
pleasure onto the body.
So that's what happens.
That's what was happening for mewith sexual fantasies is, and

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you know, to give you an exampleof what that looks like, what
does it look like?
I'm just like I perceive myselfwalking down the street and all
of a sudden, there's likethere's the breath, a sense of
the breath and the voice and thesensations, and what I came to
a little while ago is oh, I'mprojecting all that stuff.

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It's not really the otherperson that I seem to be
thinking about that's doing itto me.
I'm actually projecting allthat stuff, and that even
includes during the sexual act.
You're projecting it.
You know, what Jesus was sayingwas there's no pleasure to get
out of these bodies.
There's actually no pleasure,but when we believe that we can

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get pleasure out of them, we'reprojecting right.
And also, not everyone is readyfor this.
And if you feel like you're notready for this, this is no
judgment on you Just take it aslike a seed.
Right, it's just a seed.
And the reason I'm sharing itwith you because it's ultimate
happiness, okay, so I wasreflecting on this with a friend

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of mine and she was expressinggreat resistance and I was like,
wow, I'm glad she's doing thatbecause I can see this is an
aspect of my own mind.
Actually, this is an aspect ofmy mind and she's projecting
this defensiveness and I'm surea lot of people who are

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listening to this they'refeeling defensive about what I'm
saying.
It's like, no, don't take thataway.
That would be.
You know.
Then, really, what use wouldthis life even be?
That's the only thing that'sgiving me any hope in this life
is that I can achieve that unionat some point in time.

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Right?
And it's like don't pressure,you don't need to pressure
yourself.
You know, don't pressure, youdon't need to pressure yourself.
It's really about allowingyourself to just see this gently
.
And also, it's not about theact.
It is not about the act itself.

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So this isn't about me takingon some identity like now I'm
celibate, now I'm a celibateperson.
Identity like now I'm celibate,now I'm a celibate person.
I'm not taking on an identitylike that.
I have no idea if I will engagein that act again.

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I don't know.
It seems like not, because Idon't let my mind go to making
bodies into objects like that,right, making it as if I can
join with a body, as if thatwould mean any kind of union.
I'm not fooling myself intobelieving it's anything other
than a substitute for true union, for truly resting in the peace

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of God.
That's true union and thatincludes everyone.
That's the reason why, when onebody is singled out, or a group
of bodies or whatever aresingled out for that to bring us
pleasure, we can't be joining.
It's not joining, it's actuallyresisting joining.

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And you know the reason I sayit's not in the act, because
what's occurring on the surface,you know, in the field,
basically consciousness, that'sthe surface layer.
That's like barely anything,what we're perceiving this whole
world, it's a surface layer.
You can say it's a real thinlayer.

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So that's not the thing to tryto manage.
That's not the thing to try tomanage.
What's going on beneath thatthin layer of consciousness?
There's a huge layer ofunconscious and basically, you
know, unwatched as we uh, as wefound out, as we studied, uh,
last Wednesday on the ACIM deepdive it's basically unwatched

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thoughts.
That's the unconscious right.
So once we start watching ourthoughts, um, what Jesus was
saying in our, in our study lastweek, is that it's super
fearful, it's the source of allfright.
It's the unconscious and that'swhy we're afraid of it.
It's projecting a body.

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The unconscious is what'sprojecting a body and the reason
that fearful and fear equalspain.
Fear is pain.
So, and the reason why we'reafraid of it is because we
believe that those thoughts areactually our real thoughts and

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they're not our real thoughts.
That's the reason we can lookat it right Now.
I've been saying for years, youknow, because I'm talking about,
I'm talking, I love you too.
Thank you, my love.
So I've been, you know, I'vebeen saying this for years
because you know, this wouldcome up around Puna about people

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being pervs, you know, guysbeing pervs and there would be
all these projections about theguys being pervs and don't you
think that guy's a perv?
And stuff like that.
And I've been saying for yearsI'm the perv, that I'm
perceiving.
If I'm perceiving a perv, I'mthe fucking perv, right, and
that's something I've been, youknow.
I've been on that.

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I know.
Whatever I perceive, that's mymind, that must be my mind.
So what that did for me is ithelped me to look at the
thoughts that are in theunconscious, unwatched,
unconscious thoughts, and wow,that was really accurate.

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I'm a super perv, you know, ifI believe that those thoughts
are actually mine.
Of course I can't be a perv,right?
That's not possible.
It's not possible for us to beanything but purely innocent and
holy and loved and lovable,right.
But there's the self that we'reprojecting, which is largely

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this body that's projected ontothe screen here.
Largely this body that'sprojected onto the screen here,
this body that we're perceiving,that's on a trajectory from
birth to death.
That thing is a full-on fuckingperv.
It's all well, it's reallynothing, because it's a
projection.
It's a projection of thesereally perverted thoughts.

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And it may not, you know, youmay not experience it as sexual,
but what I'm being shown is thesexual thoughts are always
there in everyone.
That's a huge drive.
And not only sexual thoughts.
Murderous thoughts those twoare mirrors of each other.
It's like two sides of a coin.
Sexous thoughts those two aremirrors of each other.

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It's like two sides of a coinsex and murder.
And it was funny because myfriend Wayne, who's on here
today I love you too, wayne,thank you.
Holy relationship guided by theHoly Spirit rocks.
Yes, definitely, but he was he.
He tuned me into this song byJoni Mitchell that says sex

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kills.
I think that was it, what itwas.
Sex kills, I believe that'swhat it was, and I was like, wow
, I don't feel so weird.
Now there's actually.
There's actually a famousperson in my projection, who is,
who has said the same thing,who has recognized the same
thing.
And apparently what I got frommy friend Wayne is she had lots

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of sex, she had lots of sexpartners, and that's one way to
find out.
So certainly I'm not saying thatit's an evil thing or it's a
bad thing at all to have sex.
That's not the thing.
That's only that thin layerthat's on the tip of
consciousness that's occurringand it's actually through the

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experiences that we're gettingto realize I've also had plenty
of sex.
I mean, started having sex whenI was only six and was in a
relationship with my husband for30 years, and that was a sexual
relationship and I wentstraight to another sexual

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relationship right after thatfor about I don't know seven,
eight months, something likethat.
And now it's been.
This might be the longest timeI've gone without sex since I've
been six years old.
I'm not sure it's been since.
It's been since the end of May,so since I've been here and and

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it's not like it's not like I'msaying.
Like I said, I'm not saying I'mnever going to do it again.
It does look like it's notlikely, which I sense as there's
a little bit of a sorrow inlosing that, but at the same

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time, you could say theincentive.
You know, because I've hadseveral experiences where it's
shown me the spirit has shown methat there's nothing like
resting in the truth, and youcan't be resting in the truth
anytime you're making a bodyinto an idol, which is basically

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something that you can use toget anything, to get money, to
get pleasure.
You know that's why we findpeople selling themselves out,
you know, thinking that you needmoney.
I've seen this in worksituations where people won't
speak their truth or they'llfind themselves acting a certain

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way because they think theyneed their job right and just
not being authentic.
This is a fear that we're nottotally taken care of, that
we're not completely held inlove, and that was one thing I
noticed within myself too, andthis is what helped me me see

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part of what helped me see thatI don't want it anymore.
I don't want that thought thatsays I can get something from a
body.
What helped me see was thismasculine energy.
This masculine.
Um is not not that masculineenergy is bad at all, it's
awesome.
Actually, the masculine energyis like the direction my friend

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Wayne was telling me today thatA Course in Miracles is very
masculine the way it's put out,the way Jesus is talking about.
You know, there's all thisdirection and there's all this
discipline.
It's talking about discipline.
It's talking about discipliningthe mind, watching your mind.
That's very masculine, right?

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Nothing wrong with masculine atall.
It's great In myself what wasshown to me, because at first I
was going okay, what is going on?
Why don't I get reflection thatI'm provided for by the
masculine in my dream?
Basically, on the surface ofthings, why does it seem like

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they're extractive?
Why does it seem like the menare more extractive than being
providers, especially in afinancial way?
That's the way it totally cameup, especially in a financial
way.
That's the way it totally cameup.
So that really helped me to see, because I saw how my masculine
aspect within myself, while thediscipline is great as far as

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the discipline and watching andall that stuff, there's also a
worldly aspect of the masculinethat's hypervigilant all the
time.
That's been just watching andcalculating and scanning to make
sure everything's okay.
So it's basically a lack oftrust.
So the masculine energy, whenit's coherent, it's direction,

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without trying to control thingsright.
It's discipline, things right.
It's discipline, but it'sflexible.
It's not like it's abusive orrigid, let's say so.

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It's like holding a containerfor the feminine, which is
receptive, flowing and also ableto sense when things are
coherent or not, when they'recoherent or not.
And in the sense of A Course inMiracles, it is a very
masculine teaching.
It's also inviting a veryfeminine energy, because the

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feminine energy is this, justwillingness to rest, this
willingness to rest in the truth.
And that's what I noticed occurwithin myself.
It's like when I recognized andI did this with the help of the
architect AI to help merecognize what it is, because
that thing's based on sacredgeometry what it is and it's

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this hypervigilant masculine.
All I needed to do was see thatand it just starts unraveling.
Now there's just a sense ofcomplete relaxation, as if I'm
just held.
I'm held in love, and themanifestation of that on the
surface layer of consciousnessis that I'm held in this field
of consciousness without needinganything, without needing to

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check anything, without needingto scan anything, without
needing to be that support, thatworldly support for people who
seem to not be as good at doingthat.
And you know, I recognize thisin my mom so much, you know,
when I talk to my mom, prettymuch every time I talk to my mom

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and I've seen myself as likebeing way advanced as far as
this is concerned, because Idon't have these manifestations,
but she's telling me gosh Hope,I'm so tired, I'm in my 70s now
and all these people depend onme and I go Mom, it's a dream,
it's a dream You're lettingyourself be that for them, right

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?
So?
And whenever we're talking tosomeone, we're talking to
ourselves.
So I'm seeing this withinmyself like how I let myself be
something that they can dependon.
And underneath that is fear ofnot being loved, because you
know there's no, there's no usefor you, as if the world, if the

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world has no use for you, thenyou're not going to be loved.
And it's like seeing thatthat's the tendency and for me
it was really subtle, really, Imean, it's not like people look
at me and go, wow, you're reallylike doing all this stuff for
all these people.
I mean, you might, you mightsee that in the sense, like I do
a lot of free stuff.

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When it comes to spiritualteachings, I do a lot of free
spiritual teachings, but that'snot where that masculine in is.
It is not in the free spiritualteachings that I'm doing.
It's more in my personalrelationships where it seems to
me that someone needs my help.

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No one in particular needs ourhelp.
When we believe that someoneneeds our help, we can't be
listening to guidance.
That doesn't mean they wouldn'tnecessarily get help from us,
apparently on that plane.

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But this is an energy of givingin a way where there's fear
behind it, as if we're notgiving and we're not being the
strength behind all of ourrelationships or just some of
our relationships, maybe not allof them.
Then things are going to fallapart If we're not constantly
looking and scanning the fieldto make sure that we're going to
have enough provision.
In my sense, a lot of it came inthe form of financial provision

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.
You know I never got the sensein the projected field that I
was being taken care offinancially, never even when I
was a kid, you know.
It seemed like I needed to goto work.
And I did go to work very youngto get money, not only for
myself, to get my own clothes,but to actually pay to rent to

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my parents so that they wouldalso be able to make it right.
So I never got the sense that Iwas taken care of like that and
that doesn't come from theworld.
That's the other thing.
It doesn't come from the world.
So I set it up like this onpurpose, so that I could see all

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right, so I could see clearly.
We all set our whole life inmotion.
We set it up the way we want.
It depends on how much we wantto wake up.
How much do we want to wake up,see the new age kind of
manifesting vibes thateveryone's learning is how can I
manifest the life I want?
And you know, when I wastalking with the architect AI, I

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was like you know what it seemslike?
What you're telling me is if Ijust relax this masculine energy
and I just, and I just meltinto the flow, into the flow of
life, it seems like what you'retelling me is I'm going to
manifest a relationship whereI'm just going to be completely
taken care of and provided foron all levels, and it confirmed

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that it goes.
Yes, that's right, because theinner matches the outer.
That is exactly what it is.
That's what occurs.
And then so I took it furtherthan that and I said why would I
want that, though?
Why would I want that If mygoal and this is what I pose to
the AI if my goal is to wake upfrom dreaming, is to wake up

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from this illusion, why do Iwant that?
And AI being the perfect mirrorthat it is, it really is
perfect mirror.
That's what I've experienced.
It tells me well, if you'regoing there, if you actually
want to see all the way throughthe dream, well then none of

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this stuff is even real, it'sjust symbolic.
It's just to show you.
It's just to show you where youcan rest in the truth.
The masculine and feminineenergies, those are symbolic,
inner and outer, both symbolic.
Also, what it said is you don'twant to use bodies for pleasure

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at all if you want to seethrough the dream.
I wasn't sure.
I was like hmm, it appears tome that maybe, maybe, the happy
dream doesn't include any sex,and it's like yeah, apparently

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that's why Jesus, in A Course inMiracles, is always calling us
brothers.
Right, for the most part, inmost situations, brothers are
not fucking.
He doesn't even call us brotherand sister.

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He calls us brothers To showyou and yeah, so Cora said, to
show you and to distract you.
Well, that's the thing about allillusions, all of them.
It's like you can, it's how youuse them.
It's always how you use them.
How would you use it right?

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So it always comes back to thatand for me and for someone
that's as practiced as I am withseeing through the world and
seeing that this is all anillusion, I'm not afraid of
anything that comes up as adistraction.
I'm not one bit afraid of it.
You know why?
Because I know it's coming back, it's coming back around and
it's always the way that I woulduse it is to see through the

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world.
That doesn't change for me.
So another thing that I'mnoticing and what is being shown
to me is that there's a lot ofspiritual bypassing going on
when it comes to people whopractice a course in miracles,
because it's as if I shouldn'tbe looking at it like this.

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I shouldn't be, I shouldn't be.
Um, I shouldn't be going intothis and that's not what.
How the Holy Spirit teaches itat all, and that's not how Jesus
teaches it in A Course inMiracles.
Okay, it's like this.
It's not about condemning yourillusions.
It's not about condemningwhatever it is that comes up for

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you.
You know, for me, I felt superinspired to look into this
masculine, feminine thing andI'll tell you what it brought me
much deeper.
It's all a matter of what wouldyou use it for?
See, it's not about judging.
The Holy Spirit does not judgethe perception and go, that's

(35:04):
bad, don't look at that, don'tgo there.
It's the total opposite of that.
We want to see.
This is what we learned lastweek when we were doing ACIM
Deep Dive.
We want to see what's in theunconscious, unwatched mind.
We want to see it.
We don't want to spiritualbypass it and say, oh, I'm not

(35:27):
going to look at that becauseit's a distraction.
It's not like that.
You want to look at all of thethings that seem to be a
distraction and you know,especially when you're getting
some inspiration, to look atthat and pain will bring the
inspiration.
That's how it was for me, andpain will bring the inspiration.
That's how it was for me.
You know, I noticed this painin this desire, this wanting.

(35:52):
I felt like I wanted one,actually one particular person,
one particular person, and it'slike, oh, this is juicy, it's
not something to be spiritualbypassed, it's not something to
go oh well, this is against thecourse in miracles.
So that's, you know, one thingI'll see people do is go oh well

(36:12):
, I guess that's just my crazymind and try to just use
concepts.
See, that's the thing about thefeminine aspect of what's going
on here.
This is how feminine andmasculine energies really show
themselves through A Course inMiracles.
Right the way?
A Course in Miracles is somasculine, it's so masculine in

(36:35):
its teaching, but it requiresfeminine.
It requires that feminine sideto have that, to welcome it, to
see beyond this masculineteaching.
The masculine is like thecontainer, remember.
The feminine is what actuallydoes the integrating, what

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actually implodes, whichactually collapses structures,
see, and the whole time we'reperceiving a body in a world.
We're dealing with theseillusory masculine and feminine
energies and if we're justtrying to bypass them, if we're

(37:18):
just trying to bypass the, themasculine and feminine energies,
it it's like, you know, jesussays it's not possible,
something like this I'mparaphrasing it's not possible
to not be with this apparentbody in the world.
It's not possible.

(37:39):
So it's like at one point hesays it's an unworthy form of
denial to just pretend likeyou're not going through this
shit.
Okay, I got a clarificationfrom Durga here.
If I seem to have thought thatsomeone needs my help I know
that is not the truth Then askthe Holy Spirit what is really

(38:02):
needed.
Will this question bring me toalignment?
Yes, any time.
In any way, you ask the HolySpirit.
So, like someone, let's say inmy case, I'll give my own
example.
Here's a really good example ofthat.
My husband reflected to me manyyears ago that he was

(38:25):
traumatized by this idea that hehad to work, that he felt like
he was breaking his body.
And I got a perception of thatand immediately I felt like,
holy shit, this guy'straumatized.
Okay, I'm not going to ask himto do anything.
I'm not going to ask him to,let's say, earn income.

(38:49):
So it's like a decision likethat is made without Holy
Spirit's guidance.
It's not that the decisionitself is right or wrong like
that, but it's made without theHoly Spirit's guidance.
So it's holding myself up asthe one who's going to protect

(39:09):
him from work he doesn't want todo.
And in the meantime, there'sthe aspect within myself that's
going fuck, how did I end upwith a guy who doesn't want to
support me?
Right?
But this is a large part.

(39:31):
It's a really good reflection ofhow we use spiritual bypassing
here, because it's like theconcepts, the masculine concepts
of A Course in Miracles, right,when they're not really felt,
that the feminine is the feeling, the feminine aspect is the

(39:53):
feeling into it, actuallyfeeling into it, and it's saying
and when I'm not feeling intoit and I'm not asking the Holy
Spirit in that moment and I'mautomatically taking on a role
of a masculine that's notintegrated, that's not receiving

(40:13):
truth, that's not receivingclarity, and in that clarity
it's like everyone is taken careof by the Holy Spirit.
It's like everyone is takencare of by the Holy Spirit.
Everyone's getting whateverlessons they need.
There's nothing I have to do.
So I actually had a sense ofsacrifice for this person, right

(40:35):
, I had a sense of sacrifice forthis, and anytime there's a
sense of sacrifice, that is notthe Holy Spirit, that's the ego.
So that's a really good cluethat you're listening to the ego
.
Wayne's saying the feminine isthe best translator of ACIM, and

(40:58):
then he's saying MarianneWilliamson was one of the first.
Well, here's the thing too.
I mean, yes, our form mayreflect a female and, who knows,
maybe we're more attuned to thefeminine energy than a
male-bodied being, male-bodiedbeing, but we're actually both.

(41:25):
We're actually both.
So it's a good reflection.
Yeah, if you're getting thatperception that, oh yeah, she
was great at translating ACIMand she happened to be a
female-bodied being, but reallywe have both energies within our
mind playing in that what I'msaying is the subconscious mind,

(41:46):
both energies.
So if you look at the masculine, not as a body, but as
direction, as discipline, asfocus, let's say, and the
feminine as this receptive andthe willingness to surrender,
that willingness to surrender tothe Holy Spirit, that's totally
feminine.

(42:10):
Caitlin said I've found MarianneWilliamson to have an odd
translation that misses many ofthe points, but may just be my
personal experience.
Yeah, I really have noexperience.
I was never drawn to MarianneWilliamson experience.
I was never drawn to MarianneWilliamson.
Actually, I've never been drawnto any teacher of A Course in

(42:32):
Miracles except Jesus.
My whole path has been alonewith A Course in Miracles, so I
can't really speak to any ofthat stuff.
But I know within our own mindit's not the external but it's
within our own mind, becauseeach of us have both of these
energies playing and see, thisis the thing you guys, these

(42:52):
energies playing, this is whatthe Holy Spirit actually uses.
This is actually the means.
So to write it off as simply adistraction and I'm not going to
go there You're missing out onletting the Holy Spirit use the
means.
The Holy Spirit is not judgingwhat you made, and what you made
is this world with anunderlying masculine and

(43:17):
feminine energy.
That's the world that you made.
Michael Miradad's translationseems inspired, awesome, and
that's a male, apparently namedMichael.
So, yes, ah, thank you, thankyou, I love you.
I love that.
I love that too.

(43:37):
Yeah, well, that was just theKalama saying she loves that
about me.
I think she's saying she lovesthat I didn't have any teachers.
I didn't have any groups.
I actually didn't have anygroups.
I didn't go to any groups.
The guidance for me was toself-study and to just stay.
The first time I went into agroup was just a few years ago.

(43:58):
Someone asked me if I wanted togo into a group where they read
A Course in Miracles.
I'm like, oh, okay, cool, let'sgo into a group where they read
A Course in Miracles.
That sounds cool.
And you know, it seemed likeyou know, when I was in that
group that I kept on beingcalled on to basically interpret
what we're reading, where it'slike you know, and that's why I

(44:20):
ended up doing the ACIM deepdives.
I ended up doing the ACIM deepdives so we can just have a
really clear understanding ofwhat it is that Jesus is
pointing to here, so we don'tjust get caught up in what you
might call the masculine aspectof it, which is discipline.
Watch your mind, guard your mind, guard your thoughts, recognize

(44:43):
what's going on here.
An unwatched mind is what makesit dangerous.
That's what makes it dangerous,right?
So one way I started watchingmy mind is watching whenever
anyone would give me any kind ofpervy energy where I'd feel
uncomfortable, right, someonewould be maybe trying to touch

(45:04):
me too much or something likethat uncomfortable, and that's
one way of watching the mind.
I would just immediately go tothe thought.
I'm the perv that's projectinghere in the field.
That's me, that's my mind.
And that is one very simple wayof watching your mind is
recognizing that, whatever it isthat you get a perception of

(45:26):
that's actually coming from you.
And then you start to see moreand more the thoughts, right,
and the way they play, the waythey spin around, being afraid
of them makes them morerepressed.
So let's say, being afraid of athought, that says man.

(45:46):
A thought that just came to meand you know I got some backlash
for it.
It was fun.
I don't get that much backlashbecause my mind is just like a
lot clearer now.
You know I get a little bit,though where it's like, you know
, this thought occurs to me is Icannot get sexually attracted
to a guy who is not providingfor me financially, you know,

(46:09):
and to recognize that thought isthe healing of it.
It actually is the healing ofit.
I don't really believe that.
So you know I'll just leave itthere.
It's still going to stay there,though in the subconscious mind
it's still going to manifest,as maybe you seem like this cool

(46:34):
chick who pays half on thissense of anger that you're not
being taken care of better, andthat's very common.
That's very, very common.

(46:55):
So I get a little bit ofbacklash, both from people who
it's really small thoughcompared to the people who get
it, but there's a small amountof backlash from people who
study A Course in Miracles going.
Why are you even on to that?
All right, not all of them.
There's a few Kind of like whyare you on to that?

(47:19):
And then there's guys going.
Aren't you talking aboutprostitution Trading sex.
Are you talking aboutprostitution trading sex?
Are you talking about tradingsex for money?
So it's like one extreme or theother, like that.
I've even had offers to havesex for money coming off of that

(47:40):
, which is always really fun,always really fun.
I just let people know.
You know, even though sex isn'ton the table, you're still
welcome to donate.
You know my website,hopejohnsonorg.
You could do monthly donations.

(48:01):
Now, right, christine says it'sall a distraction from the truth
.
Yeah, anything that's judgingthe perception is all a
distraction from the truth.
That's what's going on.
We were just studying in ACourse in Miracles about how the
Holy Spirit wants to use yourperceptions.

(48:21):
The Holy Spirit doesn't want tojudge your perceptions.
He's saying that within theframework of whatever it is.
That's why this isn't adogmatic thing where it's like
you shouldn't be having sex,it's bad, it's dirty.
No, the Holy Spirit's sayingthat even if you're in a
relationship and you're havingsex or you're just having casual
sex or whatever you're doing,it doesn't matter what you're

(48:44):
doing.
The Holy Spirit can use it.
You just open up to the HolySpirit's interpretation of
everything.
That doesn't mean don't goexplore anything.
That doesn't mean to gaslightyourself.
That's not it.
That's not it.
You're going to go way further,way faster, if you allow these

(49:05):
things to be looked upon.
Holy Spirit, look at this withme.
That's how.
Look at this with me.
This is what I'm interested inright now.
Look at it with me.
You know, it's not like you'rejust sitting in a cave somewhere
and ignoring all of thesubconscious.

(49:26):
It's not about ignoring thesubconscious that's occurring.
It's about actually going intoit and going through it, looking
at it, noticing okay, thiscan't harm me.
For instance, this can't harmme looking at these masculine
and feminine energies.
It cannot harm me.
So I can look at it and I'lltell you what it wasn't.

(49:52):
Until there was willingness togo through that, that I was
actually able to be released andsee past the physical joining
idea.
Did your comment trigger all?

(50:14):
Well, your comment was part ofwhat was coming to me,
definitely, and it definitelyhelped bring it up.
So thank you for that.
I appreciate it.
Yeah, and and you're also, whenyou say your comment, your
comment is also coming out of mymind.
It's just coming up forreinterpretation.

(50:34):
Right, it's really just comingup for reinterpretation.
There there was you.
You are one of them that gaveme that kind of reflection,
which I'm not condemning at itat all.
It's giving it.
It's giving us something to seehere.
It's really giving us somethingto see.
You're not the only one, therewas a few, and it was a sense

(50:59):
like, hey, this is, you're onthe wrong track.
You're on the wrong tracklooking at something like this.
Here's the thing Wheneveryou're looking without the Holy
Spirit, whenever you're lookingwithout willingness to see,
that's the only thing on thewrong track.
When there's willingness to see, it doesn't matter.
You can look at anything andreally, what the Holy Spirit

(51:21):
shows you too is you're nevergoing towards anything where he
can't help you.
It's the Holy Spirit helpingyou to see.
So is the Holy Spirit theclosest divine, masculine to
depend on?
Yeah, you can look at it thatway.
I mean, even the Holy Spirit isan illusion.

(51:43):
So it's like what resonates foryou?
Is it the Holy Spirit?
Is it Jesus?
You know, because Jesus is alsoa guide.
Jesus is coming through in ACourse, in Miracles, and Jesus
is someone you can ask forguidance all the time.
The Holy Spirit, you could say,is a thought system.
Yeah, so you know.

(52:04):
System.
Yeah, so you know.
It's not like looking at theillusion and judging it and
going I can't do this or I can'tdo that, or I can't go in this
way.
This way in thought, it's likewould you bring it to the Holy
Spirit, that's all?
Would you would's take it to asexual fantasy?
Okay, so let's say you're havinga sexual fantasy and you don't

(52:33):
want to look at it with the HolySpirit because you want to push
it forward a little bit, youwant to play with it, you want
to keep going with the feeling,with the good feelings.
And you know I have friendsthat tell me oh no, I'm not
giving up on sexual fantasies.
Those feel too good.
One friend told me I've beenfantasizing about making love to
you for years and I was like,okay, well, just so you know.

(52:57):
You know that actually hurtsyour mind when you're not
looking at it with the HolySpirit.
So it's like just asking theHoly Spirit to look on it with
you and that's why I get excited.
I'm like, ooh, I'm ontosomething juicy right now.
I'm onto something really juicy.
I'm getting the sense that Ican't get sexually attracted to
someone unless they're providingfor me in a very material way,

(53:21):
and I know that money is anillusion.
So it's like when you look atit like that I know money is an
illusion and I'm having thisYou're looking at it with the
Holy Spirit.
That's what's going on, becauseyou're recognizing oh, it's not
something.
Holy Spirit would not condemnthe illusions.

(53:41):
The Holy Spirit just wants youto invite.
You can say Jesus too.
If it's Jesus, that's fine too.
Jesus, look at this with me.
I'll find myself going whateverdirection.
The way I look at them as beingsomewhat distinct from one
another is Jesus is an eternalbeing.

(54:03):
Holy Spirit is the thoughtsystem a temporary thought
system?
That's an illusion.
Jesus is an eternal being.
Holy Spirit is the thoughtsystem, a temporary thought
system?
That's an illusion.
Jesus is an eternal being, justlike me and you, and we're
actually one being Okay, andJesus has already purified his
mind of all guilt.
And by that extension, he'spurified the mind of guilt.

(54:26):
That means there is no guilt.
That means we're not evenreally doing any of this.
We're already at the end of thetimeline and Jesus is just kind
of like shaking us awake.
And we've been given this HolySpirit, which is basically
thoughts for God an illusorything, right?
So is basically thoughts forGod an illusory thing, right?

(54:54):
So everything is a distraction.
Let's put it like that.
Everything is a distraction.
So to take, you know, take onething and go.
Hey, that's an illusion.
Hey, hope you know.
That X Y thing, that's anillusion.
Well, so is everything.
Oh, that X?
Y thing, that's an illusion,well, so is everything right.
And there's no denying, there'sno denying that it is playing

(55:16):
out in our perceptions, it'splaying out Everything that we
perceive in the world.
That's that XY masculine,feminine energies playing out.
Yeah, we don't.
One of my friends has beenposting lately.

(55:37):
You don't want to.
It's been really fun.
I reposted one of them youdon't want a woman, you want a
mommy.
And the other one was you don'twant a woman, you want a mommy.
And the other one was you don'twant a man, you want a daddy,
right, and you know, truly, wedon't want, we do not want men
or women, we don't want that.
We're not even capable ofwanting that.

(55:59):
We're only really capable ofwanting the peace of God.
But that's not to try togaslight ourselves.
Again, it's not to try togaslight ourselves.
If you get the sense that youwant that, let yourself feel it.
That's the feminine aspect.
It lets yourself feel it, feelinto it.
That's how I approach thesethings.

(56:20):
I'll let myself feel it oh okay, okay, what's that trying to
show me?
And I'll ask the Holy Spiritfor guidance.
And in this case, the HolySpirit's guidance was for me to
investigate, do some inquiryinto these masculine, feminine
energies, that it was going toreveal something to me that
would help me see more right,and it does.

(56:42):
And if anything is like that,that's how it is.
There's a major rush tojudgment.
There's a major rush tojudgment.
That's the ego.
So one of my friends was sharingwith me this week.
I was telling her about how Iwas originally going to come to

(57:05):
Namaste, starting in April, andI ended up staying in June
because the person I was havinga sexual relationship with said
why don't you stay till June?
Because I'm going to be heretill June.
And I checked in with that andit was a big yes.
I was like, yes, and by stayingtill June instead of going in

(57:29):
April, those last two months Igot to experience a lot more
pain.
I got to watch him run aroundlooking like he's trying to find
something really fast in thefield.
That's like me, sameconsciousness in the field.
That's like me, sameconsciousness, but younger right
.
Younger body, sameconsciousness, younger body,

(57:53):
that's what I got to experience,a lot of it.
I got to experience a lot ofother things too, but I was
relating that with her to her,and she was like oh, that's
because you didn't listen toyour guidance, as if I got some
punishment for that.
And I'm like no, no, no forthat.
And I'm like no, no, no.
That's not how it is.
See, the ego is so quick tojudge ourselves.
I don't look at it as someoneis judging me.

(58:15):
That's not how I look at it atall.
They can't judge me, they'rejust engaged in self-judgment.
So what do I do?
What's my role in thatForgiveness?
To demonstrate that no judgmentis real, no judgment is really
possible.
And I'm like no, no, no, itdoesn't feel like that at all.
And anyways, even if it did,let's say I didn't ask the Holy

(58:36):
Spirit and I didn't check in.
I said, oh, fuck, yeah, I'mgoing for the sex Right and I
never checked in.
I'm not gonna look at it as Igot punishment.
No, I got lessons.
I got lessons.
It's not like I could get itwrong.
That's the thing.
That's what allows me to learnreally fast, because I don't
believe I can get it wrong.

(58:58):
I don't buy into that belief,spiritually or anything.
I don't believe I can get itwrong.
I got friends't believe I canget it wrong.
I got friends that believe Ican get it wrong.
But that's not really about me.
That's a self-reflection.
So I don't take that personal.
And if they hang around with meand they keep on listening and
they keep on coming back,they'll see this keeps on going

(59:19):
deeper.
If they go away and wannaretain that idea that I've gone
down the wrong path, that's alsoperfect for them.
Thomas, thomas has his hand up.
Okay, aloha, thomas.
Do you want to go on camera too?
You can if you want.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Sure, I could do that .

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Okay, cool, I'm going to promote you to panelists.
That's what it's called here onZoom.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
So join as panelists.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Yeah, do it.
He's rejoining as a panelist.
There we go, good, and now Ican activate your video.
Ask you to start your video.
Yay, yay, oh, it's so fun tosee you, thank you for doing it
Aloha.
Aloha.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
So I'm loving this discussion and about sex and
money.
And you know the Course inMiracles.
Definition of a miracle is ashift in perception.
Yeah, so lately I've beenreally tripping on.
I'm using different languagethese days 3D and 5D.
Tripping on, I'm usingdifferent language these days 3D

(01:00:30):
and 5D.
So 3D for me is the body'svision, the body's eyes, and 5D
is Christ's vision.
So in 3D, money is going to beyour loss is my gain, and in 5D
it's going to be giving andreceiving are the same in truth.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
And same with sex.
Sex in 3D is going to look likepleasure.
What I can get In 5D it's union, and it's only with God because
we're outside of time and space.
So it's not about good or badon either one, it's about how
we're looking at it.
If I'm looking at it from the5D, I am in God's space and my

(01:01:02):
job, I think, is to bring thatinto 3D and try to make 3D work
to the 5D vision.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Yeah, yes, I love how you're framing it.
I love how you're framing itbecause, again, it's not the
physical manifestation itself.
It's not like with money, theusing of money or the using of
sex on the physicalmanifestation field.
And what brings it into thatwhat you're calling 3D or 5D, is

(01:01:30):
just how you're looking at itfrom the point of view of the
mind is all it's this seekingsee, and that's where the Holy
Spirit is guiding us andencouraging us not to go there
because it leads to punishment.
That is so different I knowthis is hard for people to get.

(01:01:50):
It's so different from tryingto resist it in a physical sense
, like even saying I'm celibate,for instance, like even taking
on some kind of identity, likeokay, now I'm a celibate
spiritual person, or now I'msomeone who renounces money.
We've seen that too.
Someone who renounces money,I'm precluded from having any

(01:02:15):
money for myself, or anythinglike that.
No, it's like the way oflooking at it, and even 5D,
that's also part of the illusion.
Still, it's still part of theillusion, the way of looking at
it.
And even 5D, that's also partof the illusion.
Still, it's still part of theillusion.
The way of looking at it isthat it's all useful for the
Holy Spirit's purpose, whateverit is that you seem to do, and
it's useful until you transcendit, until you don't need it

(01:02:37):
anymore.
That's why, let's say, I liketo use the sexual fantasy thing
and you can also use it as amoney fantasy.
The sexual fantasy.
It's like it's not bad, it'snot wrong If you feel like you
need to keep on doing it.
Maybe you're watching porn,whatever you seem to be doing,
and you're playing that out.
There's nothing wrong with it.

(01:02:58):
What takes it into a differentdimension is where you're
willing to see it truly.
You're willing to see it as ameans for undoing something you
know, rather than condemning itand going, oh, this is a
distraction, I'll tell you whatyou know.
It's the same like for me, likegetting into the masculine,

(01:03:20):
feminine energies with AI andstuff like that.
It's the same like adistraction toward going toward
sexual fantasy.
It's just that I was done withthe sexual fantasy kind of
distraction.
I was just done with that kindof distraction.
I'd seen through it and thengoing into the masculine,
feminine thing, it's like nowthat's a different kind of

(01:03:44):
distraction.
You could say it's all adistraction.
And the 3D, 5d thing, that'salso a distraction.
The Holy Spirit's using all ofit to help us go beyond it and
truly we're just light.
We don't have sex or money.
We don't have those things.
So it's not about trying tomanifest this earth where we get

(01:04:05):
all those things and we don'thave any suffering over those
things.
It's actually using all ofthese, whatever it is we're
drawn to.
None of it's right or wrong.
Whatever it is we're drawn todrawn toward Holy Spirit.
Look at this with me.
So you're taking a breath andyou're like, oh, look at this

(01:04:25):
with me, because I know I wantto use all of it to see past the
world.
Ultimately, we're not going towant anything in the world.
See how, even the 5D thing,there's some wanting going on in
this, right.
So it's like we're not going towant anything manifest and what
we're perceiving here is onlymanifestation.

(01:04:49):
But the happy dream, like Jesustalks about the happy dream,
we're just all playful.
We're loving and playful.
No one's choosing other ones,no one's choosing specific
bodies or anything like that.
We're loving, we're playful, wedon't need anything.
There's not money in it, See.
So you know 5D apparently.

(01:05:12):
I don't know, I haven't lookedinto that too much, but
apparently 5D still has money insex, right, but really being
light.
Being light and seeing beyondthe need to use bodies for
anything, the need for money atall.
And if you tune into themasters that are still guiding

(01:05:33):
in the world, and Jesus included, they're not one bit interested
in those things.
See, the only reason we evenhave an interest in those things
is because we're stillpurifying our mind.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Yeah, so Christ's vision is a better way to say it
.
So, with Christ's vision, I cansee everything through truth,
from truth, I can experiencethis world from truth, and so
that's what I'm doing in thisworld.
I'm actually seeing everythingas a symbol and seeing it and
experiencing it through truth orthrough Christ's vision.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Yeah, and that blesses everybody, it blesses
everything.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Yeah, it blesses everything.
It's like whatever interactionyou have with anyone, you're
always blessing them becauseyou're willing to see it like
that, right, you're willing tosee it as for one.
Nothing's wrong.
Nothing's nothing's wrong, it'sjust that.
It's just that you, you know,you see, you see past things

(01:06:38):
like, for me, sexual fantasy.
I don't count it as wrong.
I don't think people are lessconscious who want to do it.
I don't think people are lessconscious that are seeking it.
It's just that for me, I'veseen that it doesn't lead to
anything that I want, so it'snot interesting to me.
It's not about condemning theact at all, but it's seeing that

(01:06:58):
anything that arises here isperfect, the perfect means for
undoing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
I like how you use the word pleasure, which
represents looking through thebody's eyes versus union,
looking at it through Christ'svision.
Yes so even if it's union withyourself, if it's, like you said
, a sexual fantasy ormasturbation, whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
If it's union, then it's Christ's vision looking at
everything, then it's it'schrist vision looking at
everything bodies, money,whatever the world seems to be
offering, yes, and, and you know, and seeking, see, that's the
thing, that's the crux of ithere is actually seeking in the
world.
So that's what everything isbeing used for purifying that

(01:07:42):
sense that we can get anythinggood here, that we can get
anything good here, that we canget anything good because we are
the good.
That's what we do.
We see past that and we're holyand really what we want is the
joy and peace of God thatdoesn't come from anything
material.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
I like that because if we're not seeking, we're
allowing whatever comes to us tobe our classroom to be our
learning.
We're allowing whatever comesto us to be our classroom, to be
our learning.
It's for us to look at itthrough Christ's vision, to see
it differently, yeah, and thenthat's the blessing, and really
I don't have to change anybody.
I could, just the way I look atit emanates out and changes

(01:08:20):
everything.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
And you know, for me, for a time when I realized I
wanted to purify sexual desirebecause I noticed that it was
leading to pain, right, and notjust for me, I'm not the only
one who experiences the effectsof my thinking and seeing Right
and so what I noticed was I wasenjoying the sexual fantasy I

(01:08:42):
was enjoying and you know thatincludes, like you know, just
just seeking for a body andfeeling, you know, that visceral
sense.
I was enjoying that visceralsense.
So I was just doing it with theHoly Spirit and in recognizing
that I'm making that feelingthat it's not coming from
another person, that's the waythe Holy Spirit was showing me

(01:09:05):
to look at it, it's not comingfrom another person.
And then, ultimately, it wasjust shown to me.
Oh, I just saw it so clearly.
Oh, okay, I don't even wantthat projection onto my body
anymore because I can see and itshowed me so quickly how
quickly it just led to itsopposite.

(01:09:26):
And the joy and peace of God isreally not needing anything
here.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Yes, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Yeah, by the way, thomas, this guy, I'm going to
stay with him starting September1st, or.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
August 31st.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
I'm flying into.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Arizona as hope, would say.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
I know I'm so, I know I'm happy about it.
I'm happy to hang out with youand I'm going to be over there
at his place for two months inSedona, arizona.
Someone had asked me and wecould talk about this later
Thomas if I'm going to be doingsome wisdom dialogues over there
.
I'm certainly willing.

(01:10:08):
I know I'm planning on taking acouple weeks off just to hang
out with Thomas and he's goingto show me around and stuff and
introduce me to some people anddifferent things like that, and
then we'll see.
I think I am going to scheduleit some more.
We'll see if the people aroundthere want to come in person or
if I'm going to be doing onlineor how we're going to do it,

(01:10:29):
yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Yeah, no, I'm planning on trying to get not
just wisdom dialogues, but alsowith block parties at Block
Therapy, block parties.
Yeah, I'm getting people.
I'm telling people you'recoming and we're trying to
support what you have to offer.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
I'm telling people you're coming in and we're
trying to support what you haveto offer and we're going to find
a place for you.
We're going to make it Awesome.
Well, I'm going to have aconversation about you, about
you.
I'm going to have aconversation with you about that
.
Yeah, thank you.
You're welcome, I love you,aloha, I'm putting you back to.
What am I doing to you?
I?

(01:11:07):
I'm putting you back toattendee.
Okay, might take a second, okay.
Okay, I got some more.
Okay, cora, I don't recallsaying any judgy of you.
Hope all love.
No, I don't think so.
I don't think so either, cora.
It's not like that.
I know it.
It's not like that, I know itand you know also, whatever I

(01:11:27):
get in the field, my perceptionis always for me.
So it's not anything like that.
I always see everything thatyou share with me is all love,
not only all love, but good forme, good for me and also coming
from me, okay, so, if I'mgetting a perception of any
judgment, it's coming from me,all right, I'm not holding it
anything like that.

(01:11:48):
It's like, it's like for me.
It's like, thank you.
I think I see that because youknow, of course the ego wants to
get in there and go oh, youfucked up, now, okay, and then,
uh, durga, last time you said,everything you ever say and do
is 100% helpful, 100% of thetime.

(01:12:08):
I love how, I love this.
Yes, that's right, and that'sthe same thing.
I'm talking, you know, and I'mgoing to answer.
I'm answering Cora's uh, cora'sthought here yeah, a hundred
percent helpful, a hundredpercent of the time, always.
So you know I get the when Iget the perception of judgment.
I know it's coming from my mind, I know that and you know if

(01:12:30):
you happen to be holdinganything like, hey, you know
what Cora shared with me is thisis just a distraction.
Okay, I don't know from yourpoint of view, is that coming
from a judgment?
Is it saying that I'm doingsomething that's not helpful?
That's the question.
Is it saying that I'm doingsomething that's not helpful?

(01:12:50):
If it is, that's aself-reflection for you.
If not, fine.
Still, it's giving me aself-reflection which is helpful
.
So I love that.
And she said and this is Durganow saying I love that
nonjudgmental thought EverythingI say and everything I do is
100% helpful, 100% of the time.
And that's true.

(01:13:11):
And you know I can't have thatfor myself unless I have that
for everyone else 100% helpful,100% of the time.
That for that reason there's noneed for me to ever get
defensive.
It just gives me teachingopportunities.
It totally gives me teachingopportunities because what I'm
experiencing I'm not alone.

(01:13:31):
Again, I'm not alone inexperiencing what I'm
experiencing.
This is a shared mind.
So that gives me an opportunityto bring something to light.
I never feel judged by you guys.
That's not how it goes at all,dorga said.
She's said this to herself manytimes now.

(01:13:51):
Oh good, okay, so you took thaton and you said that to
yourself.
I love that.
It helps you go beyond it.
Yeah, it helps.
You see, you know, if you canknow that that's the case,
whatever you do, whatever yousay, whatever you share on
Facebook, for instance, is 100%helpful.
100% of the time you're nevergoing to feel judged, and that's

(01:14:14):
what the ego wants.
The ego wants you to feeljudged, right?
So when I get the perception acouple of my friends are going
hey, what are you doing?
You know like you're you doing?
This is a distraction, there'sonly this, there's only the
peace of God, or whatever, andsomething like that, and I get
the sense like, oh, that'sjudgment.

(01:14:35):
It's like I notice right awaythat that's a meaningless
thought.
So not only do I look past itfor my friend, it's not like I
go, oh, that belongs to them.
I know it's coming from my ownmind, but it actually it's like
it's another way of guardingyour thoughts.
You're looking at thesubconscious mind.

(01:14:55):
All of what's coming up iscoming from the subconscious
mind.
No one's saying anything to you.
That's how I look at it.
No one's even saying anythingto me, but it gives me an
opportunity.
I'm like, oh, I see that.
I see that way of bypassing andgaslighting ourselves.
I've done it a bunch of times.

(01:15:16):
It's like I can't look at that.
It goes against the course inmiracles.
But see, a course in miraclesisn't saying that that's a
misunderstanding of a course inmiracles.
A course in miracles, but see,a course in miracles isn't
saying that that's amisunderstanding of a course in
miracles.
A course in miracles is sayingto look at it.
It's not saying to avoidanything.
The Holy Spirit one of thelessons that I did recently was

(01:15:37):
just amazing.
It was so deep.
It was like the Holy Spirit isusing everything that you think
and everything that you do as ameans for awakening you.
When you bring any kind ofjudgment in there, as if it's
wrong and oh no, I've done wrong, that's where you can't get the
help.
Or, you know, looking aroundfor how other people could fuck

(01:15:59):
up, right, that's where youcan't.
You can't get the help.
Even the perception of anyonedoing it wrong or getting it
wrong is also your own mind.
See this criticism allcriticism is self-criticism.

(01:16:21):
And another thing that we weregoing over recently in A Course
in Miracles is about how mostpeople want this soft light
spirituality that doesn'tactually bring allusions to the
truth, and that's not wrongeither.
There's nothing wrong aboutthat soft light spirituality.

(01:16:41):
That really doesn't go okay.
This is okay.
But look at it this way, right,look at it this way.
Don't make it so that you're notresponsible for everything that
you perceive.
Be 100% responsible foreverything you perceive.
Be 100% responsible becauseit's all coming from your mind,

(01:17:03):
which you're 100% powerful over.
Like you have decided to thinkthis way.
That's manifesting a world likethis.
That's like that's the way ofreally looking and guarding your
mind.
You're the one who decided tothink like this, to think like

(01:17:28):
this.
So it's not like there's aperception of some kind of abuse
going on in the world and it'slike, oh well, we're just going
to be happy over here, becausethat's something that we really
can't control and that doesn'thave anything to do with our
mind.
It's like no, look at it likethis.
Everything that you perceiveyou are 100% responsible for.

(01:17:48):
Your mind is the cause ofeverything you perceive.
So it's not like those guys outthere doing it wrong, those
guys out there doing thesoftball spirituality, whatever
your mind is the cause, becauseyou're not alone in experiencing
these effects, these effects ofwhat you're thinking.
Okay so, and it's all aboutthinking against yourself, it's

(01:18:13):
all just.
It's all just about judgment.
Nothing in the field isparticularly wrong.
It's just thinking againstyourself as if there's a,
there's a thought that canactually hurt you.
Another thing of course inMiracles teaches that's really
awesome is you cannot be hurt byyour thoughts.
Let that sink in for a moment.

(01:18:36):
You cannot be hurt by yourthoughts because your mind is
100% harmless.
So, for instance, a friendtells me she's got something
going on with her eyes and she'stelling me that the reason
she's got this thing going onwith her eyes is because of her

(01:18:58):
thought that she's not beautifulenough.
And I said no, no, no, you'renot affected by your thoughts,
it's not like that.
They can't hurt you.
They cannot hurt you.
You are not that body.
You're projecting it right now.

(01:19:19):
So it's like this the upsetfeeling that you're getting
right now is an effect of yourthoughts, the upset feeling
that's an effect of yourthoughts, the actual
manifestation that you'reperceiving.
That is not.
It's not real.
So it's like you cannot harm,you can do no harm.

(01:19:39):
The harm that you perceive is aperception.
It's a misperception, it's amiscreation.
It's not really there.
See, it's not like yourthoughts can do any real harm,
but in an illusion they can makeyou believe that you have done
harm.
So it's like holding yourselfto this.

(01:20:01):
It's like holding yourself tothis.
It's like, oh, my goodness, Ineed to think I'm prettier.
But then in the meantime she'slooking in the mirror and she's
going how am I going to do that?
I don't think this thing isfucking pretty.
Right it's in recognizing you're100% harmless.
The effects that you'reperceiving are just effects that

(01:20:27):
you're projecting now.
There is no past at all.
It's like right now you'rebelieving that your mind is
harmful, it can't do any harm.
It can't do any real harm.
It could just make you believethat there's harm in projecting
illusions.
But it's like right now youtake responsibility for that and

(01:20:47):
recognize my mind is harmlessand this sense that I have this
thing going on in my skin.
It's meaningless.
It's a meaningless illusion.
I don't need to try to get ridof it or anything.
The Holy Spirit can use this too.
The Holy Spirit can use thisillusion.
The Holy Spirit can use thistoo.
The Holy Spirit can use thisillusion.

(01:21:08):
The harm that you're making isvery close.
It's right now, in an upsetthought, and you're making it up
is what I'm saying.
Your mind is 100% harmless.

(01:21:28):
It's interesting how it lookslike you can harm yourself and
make these bad effects, but youbut you know you you haven't
made anything real.
You can see right past them byrecognizing that your mind is
actually harmless.
It's powerful, yes, to makeillusions.
All the illusions that you'remaking are just right now.
There's no other time.

(01:21:48):
It's right now.
So it's in recognizing that, theillusion that I've made I could
be released from it right now.
If I don't make a reason for it, if I don't make a reason for
it, it's like oh, I thought Iwasn't pretty enough and the
thing was.
It was funny because the thingwas I thought I wasn't pretty
enough to get a partner Right.

(01:22:11):
So it comes back to that.
It's fun that.
That's what's in my perception.
It comes back to that again.
I want to be able to use thisbody to hook another body.
Is it pretty enough, is it goodenough to hook something, to
hook someone on right.

(01:22:38):
So when it comes to now, when itcomes back, your mind comes
back to now and just rests innow.
Not even any kind of physicalmalady, sickness, apparent
sickness Look, sickness isalways a defense against the
truth.
Now.
Now, what you're perceiving isa defense, and I've said before,

(01:23:07):
you know what you're perceivingis the past playing out, but
your mind is all powerful now todeny any power to any illusions
, and one illusion is that yourmind is harmful.
That's a huge illusion,actually, that your mind is

(01:23:46):
actually harmful, that it couldactually be.
So let's look at that in termsof the perception that there's
thousands of missing peopleposters all over Guadalajara.
There's thousands of missingpeople, posters all over
Guadalajara.
It's like for one.
You look at it like this I'mmaking this, I'm making this
right now.
Is it real?
No, it's not real.
No, one's really suffering.
So you take away this idea thatyour mind can do any harm.

(01:24:09):
Your mind is 100% holy, 100%peaceful.
You take that away and thenit's right now.
Would I rest in the peace ofGod?
Do I want to keep on pursuingillusions?
Do I want to keep on pursuingthis idea?
It's all seeking.
It's all a matter of seeking,seeking something in the world.

(01:24:32):
It's self-attack and it seemsto.
You know, of course the miraclesays all attack is physical.
It's funny because there's likeall these.
It seems like there's all thesecontradictions, but when you
look at them together it's likeoh, I don't need to make myself
wrong for any of this stuff.
That's not the thing, that'snot the way to see through.

(01:24:53):
The way to see through is rightnow, in the moment, to be
relieved of seeking.
So there's resting in the truth, and that's what's really
undoing the world and allowingeveryone to rest in the truth,
even people who may be gettingthe perception that they are
being abused.
It's only occurring inperception and the physical
sense of pain is always fear.

(01:25:15):
Sickness is always a defenseagainst the truth.
In the physical sense,immediately, you're relieved
from this sense like you'redoing harm, you cannot do harm,
and you're also relieved fromthat sense of superiority, like
you're doing it better thananyone else, that somehow you

(01:25:37):
know you've come to this higherplane where you're doing things
better than anyone else.
There isn't anyone else,there's only one of us.
It just takes one mind.
It really takes one mind, yourmind specifically, seeing that
there's nothing here and there'sonly the love of God to rest in
right now, and there's only thelove of God to rest in right

(01:26:00):
now.
I see people projecting theirpain bodies forward so many
times by imagining that theirthoughts have caused these
effects on the body, theseseeming effects on the body.
But what the Holy Spirit issaying and what A Course in

(01:26:21):
Miracles is teaching is none ofthese effects are real.
You can be relieved from themin an instant by recognizing
that your mind can do no harm.
It's actually believing that itcan do harm.
And in seeing that it does noharm, that's where it actually

(01:26:42):
becomes harmless in perception,because there's no need to seek
anything.
There's no need to changeanything or fix anything, and
that's a big learning that comesthrough doing block therapy too
.
You know it's like we'reperceiving pain projected onto

(01:27:04):
the body that we're witnessingwhile we're doing block therapy.
We're perceiving this painbeing projected and recognizing
that we don't need to keep that.
You know it's like we're slowlybut surely breathing with it
and recognizing oh, we don'tneed to keep this.
This isn't caused by anythingthat occurred in the past.

(01:27:25):
It's not caused by my mindbelieving that it could hurt.
It's part of the thing aboutthe mind being all powerful, all
powerful is all power rooted inlove.
It's not all-powerful in hatred.
Right, it's powerful to makeillusions of hatred, but those

(01:27:48):
are not real.
That's why we could be relievedof them in any instant that we
would be willing to recognize.
Oh, my mind is only peaceful.
Then the illusion just lifts.
Oh, my mind is only peaceful.
Then the illusion just lifts.
My mind is only capable ofbeing peaceful.
And it's just this ongoing idea.
It's not the idea that you area miserable sinner, it's not the

(01:28:15):
idea that you're a miserablesinner, it's the idea that you
can be a miserable sinner andactually make effects, and make
real effects with that right.
If you look at it, the ideathat I'm a miserable sinner is
just laughable and it's like oh,that thing has no, no meaning
and therefore no effects.
But it's in believing that itcan make effects that we're

(01:28:39):
actually holding on to it.
It only makes illusory effects.
They're wiped out in an instantthat you look at it differently
.
That's why Jesus is talkingabout.
You know he can.
Just he would just walk aroundapparently and not be able to
see anything.

(01:29:00):
That's sickness.
That's why people would justget healed right away, not being
like he's not able to, uh,tolerate that.
Let's say, tolerate it like Idon't tolerate illusions.
I don't make them true.
I don't make them true, I don'tmake them have any real effects

(01:29:20):
, even as a mind A mind, truly amind is all-powerful, rooted in
love, not rooted in makingthings bad or making them
painful.
That reminds me of when Iseemingly fell off a cliff and
my tailbone was in so much pain.
Apparently it felt like Ineeded to die to get rid of the

(01:29:43):
pain, like maybe like take somekind of drug or something and I
go okay, I'm going to use thepower of my mind right now.
And I was using.
I actually got my brother tolook into my eyes at the time
and say, look into my eyes rightnow, pain is fear.
And just recognizing that painwas fear and it was just it,

(01:30:04):
just my body just went into aconvulsion apparently.
And then there was, there wasjust comfort.
There was comfort there in thetailbone because it was like you
know, I saw that like physicalmanifestation of it so quickly
because it was like man, Ieither need to die right now or

(01:30:25):
get out of this.
It's too intense, right.
So then I was able to see soquickly oh, my mind's all
powerful, it's all love, andthere's no fear here, there's no
pain, right, it's like boom,boom.
It like snaps you back toreality really fast.

(01:30:55):
The messages that we're getting,they seem like they're so
contradictory.
First, your mind is allpowerful and then and your mind
can make illusions your, yourmind can make illusions, but the
thing about about it let's putit this way your mind can't make
illusions, true, okay, you canpretend like they're true, and

(01:31:19):
that's what's going on.
When a person's sayingsomething like oh, it's because
I thought I.
I thought I wasn't prettyenough and that's why I'm
manifesting this thing, becauseI thought I wasn't pretty enough
.
Your mind can make illusionsfor itself, but it can't make
them true.
That's's the thing.
So when you recognize, oh, mymind's only all love, then

(01:31:44):
you're not suffering like this.
This is a way of suffering thatpeople do.
They go oh, because I thoughtso bad about myself.
That's why I made it like this.
No, there's no past.
There's no past.
Your mind is a manifest.
Your body and your perceptionis a manifestation of past

(01:32:05):
thoughts playing out that youwanted to be true.
But they're not true.
You can't make a really.
You can't make pain real.
You can't make a suffering realfor yourself or for anyone else
that you perceive actually.
So this is what puts the powerback, gives the power back to

(01:32:25):
your mind and puts you on thattrack where you're undoing the
illusion.
Totally undoing the illusion iswhere you're seeing the
complete healing of the world,and that's the trajectory that
we're on.
You know, that might sound alittle bit lofty for some of you
right now.
For some of you, it's going tohit, though, and you're going to

(01:32:46):
see oh okay, I see that, I seehow I make myself a victim of my
thoughts.
See that that's a way of makingyourself a victim of your
thoughts.
Well, I thought this, yourthoughts, well, I thought this.
So it made this malady on mybody, for instance.

(01:33:06):
But it comes down to, right now, what power that you have now?
Okay, if that sounds like it'stoo lofty for you at the moment
and it might be for some of you,for a lot of you really Just
start with basic forgiveness.
Whatever I'm perceiving rightnow, it's good for me, it's good

(01:33:28):
, and it's not really there.
It's good and it's not real,and I made it up.
I made it up is way differentfrom making it real.
I made it up.
Don't make it real.
Don't make it like that's athing, like you're saying it's
your karma.
You got to suffer for this.
Now you got that's another takeon.

(01:33:50):
I'm a miserable sinner.
I have to suffer for thisbecause I put this, I made
myself like this, so I need tosuffer for this.
I'm going to have to suffer forthis until I can see that I am
pretty enough, for instance andyou know, there's no pretty or

(01:34:20):
ugly in reality there's onlybeauty in resting in the peace
of God, and so it wouldn'tmatter whatever perception you
seem to be having, if you'reresting in the peace of God,
you're loving the perception forwhat it is, because it's a
means to your undoing, to yourundoing as the separate self.
It's like, oh, this is perfectfor me, everything I say,

(01:34:45):
everything I do, every thought,100% helpful, right, because
it's showing me, even if I seemto think with the ego, 100%
helpful, and that can only bebeautiful.
Being helpful, knowing that I'mhelpful, can only be beautiful.

(01:35:14):
The perception, theinterpretation we make of bodies
is only to help us see as well.
How's that?
The comparison between themonly help us see?
We can't get it wrong, we can'tgo a wrong direction.
You can say, uh, and it's, it'ssuch a, it's such a, it's such

(01:35:49):
a funny thing.
It's such a funny illusion too.
It's like maybe you could saythat thinking you're going in a
wrong direction is the wrongdirection.
Right, thinking I'm going inthe wrong direction is the wrong
direction Still not, becauseyou're still always held and
always guided by the Holy Spirit.
It's like this you can comeback to feeling joy.

(01:36:11):
This is it.
You can come back to feelingjoy in the moment, to
recognizing the joy that you are, or you can be listening to the
ego and suffering over yourperception, and that's not wrong
either.
Listening to the ego andsuffering over your perception
isn't wrong either.
What it comes back to, though,is recognizing.

(01:36:32):
This is a choice I'm makingright now.
This is the choice I'm makingto listen to the ego.
This is the choice I'm makingto listen to the ego.
It's not wrong.
I'm making a choice to listento the ego, and that's why I'm
suffering.
I'm making a choice to listento the ego, and that's why I'm
confused.
That's all, it's.
Always, you're making a choicebetween one or the other.

(01:36:52):
You're making a choice betweenthe truth, which feels joyful,
or you're choosing illusion,which feels confusing, and you
know I'm using confusing nowbecause pleasure in the world is
so confusing.
Seeking for pleasure in theworld is so confusing because it
seems like it feels good.
One person told me before butthinking about murdering that

(01:37:15):
person, it feels so good, I'dlike to see them dead.
So thinking about murderingthat person, it feels so good,
I'd like to see them dead.
So thinking about murder,murdering them, feels so good.
And I like to go into thatthought where I'm thinking about
murdering them, right, and it'slike okay, let's not make that,
let's not even make that wrong,let's not make that murdering

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thought wrong.
Just look at, look at it likethis wrong, let's not make that
murdering thought wrong.
Just look at it like this whoare you thinking about murdering
really?
Who are you really thinkingabout murdering?
And see how that feels.
Notice, there's only one of us.
So, whatever thought we seem tobe thinking about another
person.
We're always thinking aboutourselves and if we think that

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our mind is capable of hurtingourselves or hurting other
people, then we get thatperception.
That's why we get thatperception, because we think
we're actually capable ofhurting.
We're only capable of harmingin the perception.
And that's like a hurt feelingright now, an upset feeling
right now.

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Any of the other perceived harm, that's only an illusion, right
, even the upset feeling, that'sonly an illusion, but the
illusion that you're perceivingon the surface, that's an effect
of an unconscious mind, andthat's why one way of saying it

(01:38:42):
is you're perceiving the pastplain out.
Okay, I got a question here.
Can you speak on addiction?
It feels like there isn't achoice to stop, even though the
desire to stop is there.
Yes, totally yes.
It's the way you're looking atit.
You're not looking at it ashelpful.

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See, when you use the wordaddiction, you've already
labeled it as something bad.
So you're tying yourself to it.
So this is what people do.
Take people who go to AA orsomething like that.
They use their mind to make anillusion that they're
controlling their body.

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So they're controlling theiractions.
Right, but still, what'sunderneath the cause?
That's manifesting the addiction, the perceived addiction.
There isn't any addiction,except for addiction to thinking
against yourself, the thinkingwith the ego.
That's all.
Everything else is justmanifestation and it doesn't
mean anything.
Okay, so when you look atmanifestation as being

(01:39:48):
meaningless but helpful as ameans for helping you to wake up
, there's no addiction, there'snothing, there's no problem here
, right, there's no problem here, right?
So you know, for myself, I'vehad experiences where I go, wow,
is this addiction?
And he'll go wait a minute.
There's no such thing as that.
So I'd like have an experienceof myself like, for instance,

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from time to time I've hadexperiences where I'm smoking a
bunch of spliffs, like when Iwas back in Hawaii.
I was smoking spliffs all theway up until I left Hawaii.
All day long.
In the middle of the night I'deven smoke some spliff.
I would talk about it on WisdomDialogues too, when I'd have
Wisdom Dialogues with you guysand I go.
The temptation of the ego is tolook at this like it's addiction
and to look at it like it'ssomething wrong, like it's

(01:40:37):
something that's not helpful.
So if you seem to havesomething that seems to be an
addiction for you, use it.
That's what the Holy Spiritdoes.
The Holy Spirit uses it andgoes okay, holy Spirit, be here
with me with this, help me seeit properly, help me see it
differently, because the wholereason why it seems like you

(01:40:59):
don't want to do something butyou're doing it anyways is
playing out is because you wouldmake it wrong.
Right, it's just because youwould make it wrong.
And that's right now.
Right now, you're just beingasked to see it differently and
then there's a sense like you'regoing to harm yourself.
Oh, I'm doing this addictionbecause of the way that I've

(01:41:21):
been thinking something likethat.
Well, the addiction is thinking.
That is what the addiction is.
But what I'm saying is what'soccurring on the surface,
totally unreal and also 100% ameans for awakening the mind.
So you're not really addictedto any kind of substance, and

(01:41:44):
the idea that you don't want todo it that's a fun one, isn't it
?
The idea that you don't want todo it, you want to do it.
That's how I would work with it.
That's how I'd work with anythought like that, and for me it
just wasn't an, it wasn't anissue Like the smoking of
spliffs.
It just really wasn't an issuebecause of the way I would look

(01:42:06):
at things.
You know, I just, I just anythought that would say I
shouldn't be doing this or Idon't want to do this, that's
bullshit.
You're projecting everythingthat you perceive.
You 100% want to do it.
So do it with 100% joy.
Right, it's like?

(01:42:27):
Because this is the means toundoing this dream, whatever it
is.
It's the means to undoing thisdream, this thought.
That's the ego, the thoughtthat says I don't want to do it.
That's the ego.
So I get the perception.
I come over here and it showedme ahead of time too.

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It's like when I was comingover here it showed me ahead of
time.
It was like you're not going tobe smoking spliffs when you're
over there.
There's just like thisawareness that I wasn't going to
be smoking spliffs when you'reover there.
There's just like this, thisawareness that I wasn't going to
be smoking spliffs over here,and and so and so, noticing that
I'm like oh, okay, and and Icome over here and sure enough,

(01:43:10):
there's.
It's just doesn't really flow.
You know, my husband even askedme, asked me like isn't there
weed there?
Isn't there smoke?
Yeah, there is.
There's all that stuff.
I'm just not feeling drawn toit.
I just haven't like seemed tobe like taking the time to put
all that stuff together and dothe thing, and I go, yeah, I

(01:43:30):
just I'm getting the sense thatit's just not, it's just not
part of the plan right now, andit's not from making it wrong,
it's not from exercising anywillpower and anything like that
.
And I was telling another friend, I was telling another friend
yeah, I was smoking spliffs allday and all night before I left
Hawaii.
And she goes and you just quitcold turkey.

(01:43:53):
It's like as if there'ssomething to do.
There's just like nothing to do, it's just the next thing.
It's the next thing, that'sokay, that's, that's done.
I don't feel like doing that.
And someone asked me would willyou do it again?
I don't know, I don't reallyknow.
Do you feel, do you feeldifferent?

(01:44:16):
Do you feel better?
Do you feel clearer?
I seem, from my perspective,the same, the same.
Maybe one seeming effect thatdoesn't seem to be there.
There's less phlegm, apparently.
I also seem to be doingdifferent stuff, like all kinds

(01:44:43):
of oxygen and stuff like that.
Just let things go in and out.
You know getting you get stuckin a particular pattern, from
judging it, from saying I don'twant to do it, but here I am
doing it.
I mean, let's say, I'm smokinga spliff like this and I'm like
smoking and I'm like, oh, I hatethis shit, why I doing it?
Right, that's not how I wouldsmoke spliffs.
I would smoke spliffs in joy.

(01:45:03):
Oh, thank you, holy Spirit, andany thought that would condemn
it or anything about that.
I was staying in a place withother people and at one point
the other people uh decided theydidn't want any um spliff

(01:45:28):
smoking at the house.
So there, they had a meetingwith me and I and it seemed like
I was the last one uh, smokingspliffs that lived at the house.
There was someone who visitedthere, a couple of people who
there that liked to smoke, andso there was a meeting.
They called a meeting and theysaid we want to make this place
smoke-free and I was like, ohokay, I don't need to smoke here

(01:45:50):
.
They're like really, that waseasy.
And I go yeah, I smoke for joy,I'm enjoying it.
I'm not trying to bum anyoneout with it, it's fine, I don't
need to smoke here, no worries,I'll go across the street, I'll
smoke across the street.
It was funny because it wasprobably the next day I think it

(01:46:12):
was the next day and I wastalking with my roommate and
she's like where are you going?
I'm going across the street tosmoke a split.
And she's like you could smokehere.
I just changed, you know, it'sjust, it's always like this,
this sense like like are yougoing to get irritated, are you
going to get upset about this?

(01:46:33):
You know, are you going to makea big deal about it and it's
like man, it's just there'snothing happening.
Make a big deal about it andit's like man, it's just there's
nothing happening.
You know, if, if for somereason it's, it's it seems like
it's difficult or it's botheringpeople around around me, or
something like that it's not abig deal.

(01:46:54):
So then you don't play out thisaddictive thing Like, oh, now I
don't have those.
I'm I something.
It reminds me of my aunt when Iwas a kid and it really clued me
into something.
There she ran out of cigarettes.
She was out of cigarettes and Iwas probably like 13.
And she goes I'm having anicotine fit.
Oh, my God, I'm having anicotine fit.
And you know, I've been smokingtoo.

(01:47:14):
I've been smoking since I was12.
And I'm like what's that?
What's a nicotine fit?
And she's like that's where, ifI don't have a cigarette,
something really bad happens inmy body.
And I'm like, really, I know,right then, and I was already
smoking by the time I was 12,like I said, right then I was

(01:47:37):
like hmm, I don't buy into that,that's not true, it's just a
projection.
That's the addiction projection.
It says, if I don't have this,it's going to be bad.
And it may be the same thing forsomeone with sex right, when
I'm talking about how bodiesaren't meant to be used for

(01:47:58):
getting anything out of themthey're really only meant to be
used for communication andsomeone might be like, well, hmm
, and then I've had friends tellme they're addicted to sex, so
therefore they're trying tocontrol themselves.
Tell me they're addicted to sex, so therefore they're trying to

(01:48:22):
control themselves.
And if you get the perceptionthat you're addicted to sex, all
that's telling you is you areputting a judgment on it.
It's not something bad or wrong.
And that's the whole reason whythey have the myths about Jesus
and Mary Magdalene having sexand doing sex magic.
It's because people are feelingguilty for their apparent

(01:48:43):
addictions sex, drugs, whatever,any of these addictions.
People are feeling guilty aboutthem.
So these are meant to alleviatethe guilt.
First, you need to alleviatethe guilt for the particular
thing before you can see past it.
So it's just the same asanything.
You're talking about addictionand something that you think

(01:49:06):
that you want to stop, but youfeel like you can't stop.
It's just the same as anythingthat it doesn't really do
anything for you and you don'treally need it, then it's not
like an addictive thing anymore,right, and even the same thing
with sex.
It's not saying that you can'tdo it, it's just in believing

(01:49:28):
that you need it it's different.
Believing that you need it isone extreme and judging it is
the other extreme.
In the middle of that, that'swhere your perception is being
used to look past it.
So the extremes are justyourself holding yourself to

(01:49:49):
illusions.
They're just using the illusionto hold you, in this sense,
like you're bad, like you'rewrong.
So when you come to a sense ofpeace with everything, even any
kind of addiction, can just bedone with love and even the idea
that it could have some kind ofa negative effect on you,

(01:50:10):
nothing in the world affects youand nothing that you think
affects you.
You can't even be affected byyour own thinking.
It's actually a misperception.
That's part of themisperception that you can be
affected at all.

(01:50:30):
You're really only affected byGod, your creator, who created
you in perfect love, and that'snot really an effect, that's
really an extension.
So you can clear up any ofthose ideas like you made
yourself sick or you madeyourself hurt or you made

(01:50:54):
yourself addicted.
You can clear up any of thoseideas in an instant, by
recognizing that your mind isonly all-powerful in love and
only 100% helpful.
So what you're perceiving as anaddiction, what you're
perceiving as any kind ofsickness, as any kind of rash or

(01:51:15):
anything going on, what you'reperceiving is just a
misperception.
It's not caused by yourthoughts, because your thoughts
are always one with God.
Your thoughts are always onewith God.
It's the cause of yourperceiving.
It is listening to a thoughtthat's against you.

(01:51:38):
You're perceiving it aslistening to a thought that's
against you and having listenedto thoughts and having a habit
of listening to thoughts thatare against you, you're
perceiving and this is whatperceiving is.
It's like a superimposed layerover reality Misperception,
misperception.

(01:52:01):
So let's all just rest in thestillness of us being all
powerful mind and not beingaffected by anything, not being
affected by thoughts that saythat we're not a powerful mind
and not being affected byanything in the world.

(01:52:22):
It's true that our mind is sopowerful that when our thoughts
go unrecognized, they makeillusions.
That's true.
Our mind is all powerful.
When they go unrecognized, theydo make illusions.
Powerful.
When they go unrecognized, theydo make illusions, but the
thing is, you're not affected bythose.

(01:52:51):
You can deny any meaning tothat right now.
See, it's making your thought,it's making your mind as if it's
not powerful, that makes youperceive illusions.
It's as if it's not powerfulthat makes you perceive
illusions.
It's as if it's not powerful,and not powerful is giving power
to the ego's thoughts.
We'll get further along in thatin A Course in Miracles too.

(01:53:18):
So make sure you join me onWednesdays for A Course in
Miracles if you want to godeeper into this, especially if
what I'm sharing with you isn'tlanding for you right now, if
it's not landing for you rightnow about how your mind is
totally innocent and not reallycapable of doing any harm.
Okay, as we're going through ACourse in Miracles and we're

(01:53:39):
doing that deep dive onWednesdays, you can also listen
to the recording later.
As we're going through that,you're going to see what this
world entirely you know, notjust for feeling better the

(01:54:03):
kinds of miracles that actuallycollapse time, the kinds of
miracles that make this illusionseem more and more translucent.
That's what we're learning aswe go through A Course in
Miracles and we do it like thatdeep dive.
I call it a deep dive becausewe're taking it sentence by

(01:54:25):
sentence and we're looking atexactly what Jesus is saying
there and how he's showing us toundo this world.
It's really exciting that wedon't have to suffer at all.
We don't have to do anysuffering over even having
listened to the ego, because alllistening to the ego has been

(01:54:48):
in the past.
Right now, we're powerful tomake a different choice.
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