The Empowering Truth: We Project Our World | Wisdom Dialogues @ Sedona | September 22, 2025 - Hope Johnson's Wisdom Dialogues

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Aloha and welcome to Wisdom Dialogues with Hope
Johnson coming to you fromSedona, arizona.
Woo, oh, I'm loud.
On the other thing, let mepause this Sedona, arizona.
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(00:25):
I gotta mute it for a second.
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Oh my god, okay.
So let me see what I can doabout the volume here.

(00:46):
It looks like I have okayvolume off.
Let's see what I do about thevolume here.
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Do about the volume here.
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Okay, I'm not sure why this isechoing, maybe it's over here.

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There we go.
I think I did it now.
Now I'm silent.
Now my other self is silent,thank goodness.
Oh, okay, isn't it nice to knowthat the world that we're

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perceiving is based on error.
Isn't it nice to know that?
Right, because if it was thetruth, that would be horrible.
That would mean that we'restuck with it whatever way we
made it and see, the thing is,it could always get better than

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what it is.
If we're perceiving mortalbodies, we're basically
perceiving in separation, wherebodies could die.
That's not really true.
We made that up.
So a lot of the beliefs thatwe've agreed to project together

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, kind of like as a community ofsouls that decided to keep
separation as if it's true, it'sa trip.
It's like there's this constantconditioning of ourselves and
the people around us intobelieving we're in separation.

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And you know, in all kinds ofways, like I recognize all kinds
of ways that come up like, uh,like sayings, like I'm getting
too old for this.
I wish they wouldn't be thatway.
I wish people would justrealize something See, everyone

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is fine as they are.
Everyone is perfect, whereverthey seem to be on their journey
.
It's all perfect and that'sreally what allows you to share
your perspective with everyone,when you're willing to see that
their perspective is actuallyperfect, and not make enemies

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out of anyone's perspective, notmake any of their perspectives
as if they're a threat to you,as if that makes them a threat.
See, that's what always causespeople to go warring with each
other is believing thatsomeone's concepts, someone's

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perceptions are somehowthreatening.
Only thing that could everhappen to you quote, happen to
you in a dream is beneficial foryou.
So then you don't have to bescared of anything, right?

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You don't have to be scared,especially what people are going
to say about you.
That's one of the best ones youknow.
An ego will ask you oh, what ifthey get this interpretation of
you?
Oh, that's terrible, that wouldbe terrible if that happens.
You know, what I've donethrough all of this stuff is go
hooray.
What if they do get aperception like that?
It wouldn't change who I am.

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It wouldn't change that I'mexactly the way God created me.
It doesn't make any difference.
The world wants to keep secretand the people of the world's,

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like each of us, is peopled ourown world.
A friend was sharing that otherfriends freak out when she
tells them that this world isall it's for, is seeing that
we're one, it's not for anythingelse.
And she's saying that thepeople think that she's weird

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when she says that.
And it's like man.
It's also good to see wepeopled our world.
We put the people in place tokeep us in line, to keep us in
alignment with the ego's plan,which is to keep us seeking
forever for the love that seemsto be lost.
We don't want to play out theego's drama without recognizing

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it.
I say without recognizing itbecause that's the whole key.
You know, I heard a share thisweekend From a woman who said
she was, she was, she was,basically, without saying the
word, she was smitten by a manReally good looking.

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She called him devilish manbecause he was apparently really
bad for her, not someone thatwas, I guess, worthy of her, you
could say in terms ofbehavioral right.

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So the ego always wants to makeit as if this is some kind of a
threat or something went wrong.
Self-condemnation comes out.
You know, like something, likeI didn't listen to my guidance,
so now I have to be with thisguy.
Well, you know, like something,like I didn't listen to my

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guidance, so now I have to bewith this guy.
Well, you know you could tracethat didn't listen to guidance
all the way back to where youthought you were separate.
So, you know, even even you'renot listening to guidance and
finding yourself in a situationand who's to say you weren't

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listening to guidance?
That's the other thing.
I mean, you know if you were oryou were not, and that changes
from moment to moment, becausein each moment, are you looking
for guidance from the Spirit orare you going your own way?
Basically, are you relying onwhat you think is true about the
world, which is making you feelfrightened, or are you

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listening to the Spirit'sinterpretation, right?
So this idea that anything wentwrong, that's always the ego,
the reason why this quotedevilish man pops up.
You know that makes you wanthim for all the wrong reasons,

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apparently.
And then find out uh, you knowhe's a psycho.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
You're a psycho.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
He mirrored her psycho.
Yeah, thomas is saying hemirrored her psycho.
Yeah, that's always exactlywhat it is, always see, and the
thing is you gotta be willing togo I love that about myself to
be able to learn anything fromit.
You really gotta be willing goI love that about myself to be
able to learn anything from it.
You really got to be willing tosay I love that about myself.
You know, last week I wassharing about some interactions

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where I felt some uncomfort,right, and the thing about
feeling the uncomfort for me isknowing what it's for.
I don't have to make the storyabout it real, just knowing what
it's for.
And you know what is the storyLike.
You get an uncomfortableperception and then the ego

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starts weaving.
It must mean this, or it mustmean this, or it must mean this.
It's not.
The perception itself is just aperception.
The story is not then a story,or I'm reactive because of this
in my childhood or anything likethat.
It's just a matter of lookingat it and going that is, that is

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a pattern that's meant for meto see how I am wanting it.
For one thing, what's making mewant to be uncomfortable?
To make myself uncomfortable,and you know that question.
Just leaving it open and justfeeling into the body, sense and

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recognizing.
That's another thing.
My mom was pointing that outthis weekend.
I went to visit my mom thisweekend.
Thomas and I both went togetherand my mom was saying how it's
so important for her, in hercase, to learn the Bible, to
memorize Bible verses, becausethe way she puts it, or the way

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they put it in the group thatshe's in she's in a Christian
group is that then you have itavailable to wield it whenever
it's necessary, whenever you'reunder an attack, so to speak and
you know that's the same way ACourse in Miracles puts it.
It's like these are attackthoughts, so you need to bring
them to the truth Rather thanmake them true, rather than make

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them true.
See, when you make them true,then it becomes a story, a scary
story too.
So there's the pure perception.
What does it seem like?
What is the feeling that'scoming up?
And then there's theinterpretation of it.

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What does it mean?
Right, I've given everythingthe meaning it has.
For me, that's not a matter oflike denying the feeling and the
perception.
Just take the perception as itis.
Just take it as it is.

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Someone shared to me about how,when the Buddha was going
through his mind and looking athis mind, watching his mind
before he quote unquote attainedenlightenment, basically what
he was doing is he is watchingeverything and letting it be as
it is, not trying to make itchange or anything like that,

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just smiling at it for what itis.
Everything comes up Murderousthoughts, perverted sexual
fantasies, whatever.
Everything comes up Shame,blame, anger, resentment, it all
comes up and you just let it becoming up, you let it be what

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it is and you bring all of whatseems to be a legitimate cause
to the truth.
And really that prevents youfrom spinning stories around it,
as in what does it mean?

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What does it mean in the story?
See, what kind of more storiescan we weave about it when
you're just willing to see thatthere's no past, there's no past
and you're just projecting theuncomfortable feeling that

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you're perceiving right now andfeeling it, that's what helps
dissolve it, that's bringing itto the truth, and the truth
might tell you.
You might use a number ofdifferent phrases.

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You know, a Course in Miracleshas a lot of good ones.
One of them is I trust mybrothers who are one with me, so
that shows you there's noreason to be afraid of anyone.
There's no reason to be afraidof any kind of, any situation,
anything.
There's just no cause for it.

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That does not mean youshouldn't feel it.
You feel it.
You recognize that you'refeeling fear, and deeper than
that you can't really feel fear,and deeper than that you can't

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really feel fear.
It's like you put an image outin the field to feel fear and
report back to you mentally whatthat's like.
It's an interpretation too.
You know you get thatinterpretation.
You get the imaginary feelinginterpretation.
You, you feel, you get theimaginary feeling, let's say,

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because then you're seeing theeffect that that imaginary
feeling is the effect ofthinking in a way that's against
yourself, of thinking in a waythat something's happening to
you that you just didn't putthere, that you just didn't make
into, as if it had someexternal thing, external cause.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
I got a question.
Yes, so is there.
I know I'm looking for aprocess or a technique to work
with what you're saying.
So you're saying feel it forsure.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
So I'm just discovering I got a chain that's
actually generational.
I had a child monster in thefamily.
It was my grandfather's brother, and so I'm wondering if I'm
carrying that forward.
I got sensitive to predator, sofeeling it.
Are you asking God to help yousee it differently so that it
can be eradicated or erased?

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How do you work with somethinglike that?

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, you recognize that you are making it up.
See, you can't make it real andalso have it forgiven.
You can't make the illusiontrue, like this generational
thing.
It's one thing.
Recognizing that's a story thatdoesn't make it any harder for

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you to have a miracle with this.
It's really a matter of yourwillingness to receive the
miracle with it, really a matterof your willingness to receive
the miracle with it.
And that's basically feelingthe way it happens is.
You know, to stop working thesecircular miracles and have real
, true miracles is to be willingto recognize that the
underlying cause does not exist.

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You're only projecting it.
Now you know and this dependson how you're using it If you
really believe that the wayyou're feeling right now has an
underlying cause for generations, that may make it seem to you
like it's more difficult for youto make a miracle with it, but

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it's not any more difficult thananything else.
It's really a matter ofwillingness.
Are you willing to see thatthis is not really true?
That's the thing.
Are you willing to see thatit's not true?
The perception is theperception.
The perception may be reallyharsh.
The perception may be superbrutal, right, the perception

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may be super brutal, right, andyou late, you leave the
perception as it is, but yourecognize that you're having a
dream, you're projecting it now.
You are the author, you didinvent it, you made it up.
See the different ways I'msaying it.
Whatever it is that youperceive, right, it's that's why
.
That's why, for me, I findmyself laughing all the time,

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because it's funny.
What I make up it's what I makeup is hilarious to me.
Sometimes people think I'mlaughing at them, and you know,
of course, when I can.
I just reassure them.
I'm not laughing at you, I'mlaughing at them, and you know,
of course, when I can.
I just reassure them.
I'm not laughing at you, I'mlaughing at the illusion that I
just made.
It's like hilarious.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yes, that would be true for, like that women's
group that you met this weekend,where they're looking at
alcoholism being generational,you know, gene oriented Sure,
same thing, but it has to stopsomewhere.
Yeah, like the buck stops here.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Right, well, the buck stops at the mind that decides
that its mind is for makingchoices between truth and
illusion.
Right, like, you could eitherbe you.
You could either either be like.
Oh yeah, okay, every drink islike an experiment.
I'm going to see how I feel.

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Right, I'm going to see how Ifeel as this goes, cause, you
know, feeling is really the waythe spirit communicates with you
.
Does this feel?
Do I feel more connected?
Do I feel more at ease?
What do I want?
Do I want to feel moreconnected, more at ease?

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That's the thing.
And if I find myself having adrink, let's say, you know, I
don't get this perception ofmyself.
I seem to have no issue withdrinking at all.
I could just drink and then notdrink, doesn't matter.
But if you get the perceptionthat you have one drink and then
, all of a sudden, you've fallenoff the wagon and you have to
have a shitload of drinks at anypoint, see what people see.

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People perceive this going onfor years until they make
another really big decision Atany point.
Within that, you don't have tomake any big decisions.
It's just a matter of beingalert, being aware.
If you're fully aware and alert, you're not minding what you
are playing out.
You're really not minding whatit is that you're playing out,

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because, whatever it is, it'sgoing to be helpful from your
point of view, because you'relooking from a place of
awareness, so then you don'thave to be afraid of it.
I mean, whether you're playingout the illusion that you
haven't had whatever substanceseems to have power over you for
20 years, or you just had adrink last night, the only

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difference, the only truedifference, is in whether you
believe that was real at all,right, whether you even believe
that was real.
And I'll tell you what it's like.
Pride seems to be better thanshame, right, so that that seems
to be some incentive to nothave a drink, because then I can

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be proud of myself and then, ifI had a drink, I'd be ashamed
of myself.
Right, pride seems to be betterthan shame.
But worthiness is key.
Worthiness is the key here.
I'm worthy to feel good,because all my feelings are
projected anyways.
I decide, I decide how I feel.

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I am worthy of feeling good, nomatter what I perceive myself
or anyone else doing.
That's simple Right.
That's simple right.
It's like can I just maintainthe awareness of my worthiness?
That's a nice prayer, huh, helpme maintain awareness of my

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worthiness throughout the daytoday.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yes, so I'm just tripping on like 12 steps.
So in my opinion it's apossibility that for me it would
make it real if I stay in thatloop.
Not that it's not right forother people, but at my level,
if I'm a non-dualist believer,then I need to be that and then

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that would be making the errorreal.
I'm not trying to badmouth thatsystem, right, but for me it
would make the error real if Ikeep looping in the air real.
Not, I'm not trying to badmount that system, right, but
for me it would make the airreal if I keep looping in the
12th step well what I found outand I wasn't at a 12 step, I
don't think.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Uh, it seemed to maybe have a little bit of that
influence there.
I was at a women's uh freedomfrom alcohol meeting this
weekend.
Apparently I was so fun.
They're so adorable there.
So here's the thing You'regoing to perceive beliefs.
And Thomas was asking aboutthose 12-step programs.
He seemed like if he were tostay in it, it would be like

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looping around and the way I seeit, it's not like I need to
stay in anything.
I just go wherever the spiritcalls in the moment.
And, you know, speak about howit is for me, you know.
Basically, they asked me whatis your relationship with
alcohol?
That was a question rightbefore it was time for my share.

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It was basically stream ofconsciousness share.
So it was kind of like wisdomdialogues for about a good five
to seven minutes or somethinglike that, kind of like wisdom
dialogues for about a good fiveto seven minutes or something
like that.
And so I shared that.
Yeah, my relationship with it isthe same as any illusion.
All illusions are the same tome.
They don't have any power overme.

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I'm the one with dominion, I'mthe one in command and with
respect to all illusions.
That includes all people.
That includes all people.
That includes all circumstance.
Right, I am only perceivinganything so that I can see that
it's one.
I'm only perceiving anything inseparation so I can ultimately

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see that it's one, anything inseparation so I can ultimately
see that it's one.
I don't need it to do somethingelse with it.
I don't need to controlanyone's behavior.
Everyone's behavior is perfectfor me, so I could see what I
need to see, see what needs tobe forgiven, see what feelings
are meant to be brought forward.
I don't have to change anyoneelse brought forward.

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I don't have to change anyoneelse.
You know, communicating withpeople is basically a matter of
extending love.
You know, it's like when we'recommunicating with people, when
we're being in gratitude andwe're appreciating them and
we're appreciating the role theyhave for us, they're playing

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for us, and we appreciate thelove that's truly in their heart
for us.
That's how we can see past allof the illusions.
You know, people will presentas if they're sick, old, tired,

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burdened.
Right, this is the kind ofstuff that, uh, that we've
witnessed.
You know, when we go around andand uh, experience people, we
may perceive all that kind ofstuff coming out, seemingly

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negative things coming out.
There's no need to try tochange anyone, it's really just
a matter.
And here's where thecommunication is.
It's right there in the mind,where we are connected.
So the communication is just inrecognizing that.
They're fully in charge,they're making their experience
what it is, they're projectingtheir experience, and what I see

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really easily is the cause andeffect.
The cause and effect is rightthere.
The cause and effect is rightthere.
You know, I've observed peoplecomplaining about even
appliances.
You know, like that piece ofshit, and the way it's the

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emotion that goes behind it.
It's like, oh, it's like I'm sovictimized because that thing
is a piece of shit.
Like the way it's said.
That is so important to watch,Because the way we say things,

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with the energy behind it,that's what determines how
quickly it manifests.
Watch your I am statements.
It's the feeling behind them,though it's not the words, it's
not in the words.

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You know, I've often shared I'ma freaking idiot.
Now, feel the feeling behindthat.
It's like I'm glad about that.
In this dream, I don't have tobe anything, I don't have to
measure up, for instance, Idon't have to do anything anyway
.
I don't, I don't have anyobligations.

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I don't have any humanobligations.
I'm not human.
I can just be used in whateverway the Spirit wants to use me,
because I don't have a way ofbeing.
I don't listen to people's wayof being where they would tell
me you're supposed to do it likethis.

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It's like I'm supposed to do itthe way the spirit tells me to
do it, not people.
It's not according to people.
I'll take it in.
Of course I listen toeverything and listen to the
Holy Spirit behind everything.
Did you have something, tom?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:31):
So the other way.
You're right, it's the feelingbehind the statement.
So mostly the other side isshame.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Like I'm such an idiot or I'm fat, right, it's
definitely shame and almostthey're proud of the shame.
They're like they want to sayit that way and you don't.
Yeah, so you're right, we'renot here to change them, just
notice it and maybe change itinside of us.
Yeah, I see it not that way oneway of putting it.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
I've heard one sage put it contemplate their return.
So it's like you see them happy, you see them joyful, in the
feeling of the love of God, of ashared healed perception, and
you just let yourself to seethem as they are and not how you

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would have them be.
The way you think you see themthrough your body senses is not
how they are.
It's the way you would havethem be.
See that, it's fun, it'sinteresting, it's interesting to

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play with it.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yes, of course.
Miracle says never agree with avictim.
Never see them with the waythey're trying to be a victim
Right.
Always see them as the son ofGod.
Uh-huh, go to that level ofagreeing with their victim story
.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yes, I see that going on too.
I went to visit a woman whoapparently the story is that she
just wants to check out.
She just wants to check out ofthis life she's done.
She seems to be sitting on acouch accumulating fluids and

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stuff like that.
And you know, I go there withone other woman family member,
and the family member is like Iknow, I'm so sorry for you and
I'm like whoa, what aninteresting play, what an
interesting play.

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So immediately in my mind, in mymind, I'm giving the power back
to both of these women thatthey're trying to take away for
themselves.
So I'm forgiving for them.
That doesn't mean I'm forcinganything on them or manipulating
them in any kind of way, butthe gift is there when they're

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ready to receive it.
It's like the gift ofsovereignty, mental sovereignty,
you know, just recognizing Imade this for myself.
It's like, oh, ok, let me seeif I made it for myself.
And it doesn't seem to be ahappy dream right now.
Then what thoughts do I have?

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What thoughts am I runningrepeatedly that need to be
purified?
That's what I want to see,right?
And then I know that a lot ofpeople don't know this, but
they're also not taking the timeto learn this.
For the most part they will.
When they're inspired to do so,it's all perfect, uh.

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But you know, maybe, looking atit and go well, maybe I won't
look at that machine, forinstance, some kind of machine,
as being a piece of shit,because we're always
communicating with ourselves.
So when we're going thatespecially, it's like that's a
piece of shit, with a feelinglike you're being victimized,

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right, with that feeling.
When you say it, with thatfeeling, it's like you manifest
automatically more things inyour experience that don't work
properly.
Similarly, you know, if youstart looking into anything,
you'll find more and more of thesame.
Did you notice that you go intoanything that you want to pick

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on, pick apart, let's say?
You'll see more and more ofthat.
I used to notice that withanother friend, I'd be riding in
a car with him and he'd pointout whenever there was an
ambulance, and it was likewhenever I was in the car with
him, we'd keep on seeingambulances go by.

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When I wasn't in the car withhim, I didn't notice any
ambulances.
It was very rare, right.
It's like, the more you look atsomething, the more you make it
.
You look at something, the moreyou make it.
The world is an invention, andthe invention is based on an
erroneous thought, a thoughtthat made you into something

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that you're not okay, so itnever was real.
All right, I got a hand.
What fun.
Aloha, christina, you canunmute if you want.
Thank you yay, do you want to beon camera too?

Speaker 3 (32:36):
no, I'm fine, okay, I don't care.
I find that gratitude is whatputs me into that different
place, whatever.
I had a situation with someunexpected expense expense and I

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was freaking out like, oh myGod, what is this?
This is my credit, whetherthat's reputation, whatever you
want it.
However, it went yeah, and thenI just prayed upon it and I
thought, you know, I'm lucky Ihave this because it enabled me
to resolve it and the resourceswere there, rather than, which

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is my has been my normal patternof freaking out.
I just took it in and thought,wow, this is a gift.
This proves to me I'm not asbroke as I thought I was.
I can manage this.
I just have to do it in adifferent way and with gratitude

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.
It all came to pass and it's awonderful thing, and I think
that when those things come upit's what you were saying, the
thoughts that aren't spiritrelated.
That is part of our humanity isto embrace those thoughts and

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see what can I learn from this.
Yes, what is teaching me aboutme?

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yes, well, you know what it's meant to teach you.
What it's meant to teach youfrom the ego's perspective.
And the world is based on error.
That's why you can perceiveyou're getting charged for
something that you weren'texpecting right, so the world is
based on error.
That's why you can perceiveyou're getting charged for
something that you weren'texpecting Right.
So the world is based on error.
So what it's meant to show youis that you're not sustained by

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the love of God, which is a lie.
The whole world is based onlies.
It is a lie.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
I embrace my humanity , because I believe that that's
the form that houses the spirit.
I believe that that's the formthat houses the spirit and
through and through that form.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
I can expand in spirit, right.
So through it's, throughperceiving the form and the
message that's coming through,uh, the erroneous message, the
message of the world.
That's why you could see, youknow, like even thinking that
money sustains us is a lie.
It's a denial of the fact thatwe're sustained by the love of
God.
So it's actually meant to denythat fact, but the Holy Spirit

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repurposes it for you.
If you ask the Holy Spirit tosee it differently, you'll see
that that, in fact, is a lie,and the truth is that you've
only always been sustained bythe love of God.
Yeah, so the more you see thatyou're sustained by the love of
God not even like an apparentsave in the finances or

(36:00):
something like that even matters, because being sustained by the
love of God means that youdon't have to feel afraid
whenever you get a perceptionthat there's not enough money,
or uh, or you're running out ofmoney or anything to that effect
.
Yeah, Exactly.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
That is so amazing to me.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
It is, it really is.
And yeah, gratitude, gratitude,really, anywhere you can extend
that.
That's communicating with theparticles even of the situation,
like being grateful for thesituation that says you owe more
money.
It says you owe more money.
See, because of what it'srevealing to you.

(36:44):
It's all meant to reveal to youthat you're not separate, and
you do that by bringing theerroneous thoughts about it to
the truth Again.
The erroneous thought sayingthat you're not sustained by the
love of God and that you mustsupport yourself on your own.
You got to find ways to supportyourself on your own because

(37:07):
you're not sustained by the loveof God and that you must
support yourself on your own.
You got to find ways to supportyourself on your own because
you're not sustained by the loveof God, when it's always,
always, only been the love ofGod that's been sustaining all
of us.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
And that's what I gather you felt with when you
described your son on the roof.
Your son, it was that you gaveit to God.
You had that trust that Godwill sustain him.
Right, right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Well, you know, there was something for me in that
and that's why I asked thespirit you, what should I do
here?
Right, because I'm going.
Wow, it really seems like Iwant him to get off the roof.
And I noticed a very fearfulfeeling.
It was a really scary feeling,like he's gonna fall off the
roof and I go.
Whoa, that is a really fearfulfeeling.

(38:01):
So, instead of acting on thatfeeling, I asked the spirit what
should I do?
And the message was clear to goinside and feel what I feel,
see.
And then, when I went inside tofeel what I feel, I see what's
behind it.
And what was behind it was areputation.
What reputation would I have asa mom, and how shameful I would

(38:21):
look.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
And that's not real.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Right, if I went inside when my son was on the
roof and I let him fall off theroof.
See, that's the thing.
So listening to the spirit isnot always in alignment with
what even society would say.
Like society would even say,well, you know, you should have

(38:44):
got him off the roof, right.
But in listening to the spirit,you know, sometimes it's like,
wow, really, that's the, that'sthe guidance.
But then, when you really lookat it and another thing, spirit
showed me in that instance, noone's going to fall off any roof
unless it's 100% beneficial foreveryone.

(39:05):
Right, it's not happening.
You cannot even make thathappen.
Like it has to be beneficial,right.
And since it's like somethingwe perceive, it's like if you
start having thoughts and you'reafraid of something like that,
it's like, yeah, that is onepossibility, that is one

(39:30):
possibility, but you don't wantto dwell that either, because
that has a better chance ofmanifesting if you give it the
energy and the focus of yourthought.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Then it's more likely to happen just because you're
putting it out there.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, that's exactly right.
And so you know, if you'rereally like feeling that fearful
and you don't know, you're notsure if you hear the Holy
Spirit's voice or not, get yourkid off the roof because you
don't have the faith for it.
It's not a bad thing, that'snot a bad thing, you know.
But you know you want to watch.

(40:13):
It's like what is the mostbeneficial here.
So for me, this Holy Spiritshowed me the most beneficial is
for you to go inside right nowand feel what you're feeling,
right?
So in that case I had to giveup a lot of my worldly values
and just trust the Spirit'svoice right there, that, even if

(40:35):
he were to fall off the roof,it would be most beneficial for
me and everyone else involved.
Right?
Because in that recognitionthen I'm not feeding it, I'm not
feeding that kind ofcircumstance with energy.
Right, I get it.
It's neutralizing the event.

(40:57):
It's totally neutralizing theevent.
If it happens, it's perfect.
That neutralizes the eventitself.
So it's not calling it forthand really what you're actually
calling forth is a feeling, it'sa sense like something's lost.
Something is lost In this case.

(41:18):
Possibly you know your son islost.
At least they're probably goingto go to the hospital.
Who knows?
You never know anything couldhappen.
He, he bounces right off thegrass and he's like, hey, mom,
look, I'm fine.
You know it's a dream.
That's how I see it andactually I put the most energy

(41:39):
behind that.
You know, it's all, it's all afeeling.
So it's like how much energyare you putting behind it?
You know what I'm saying.
Like I had energy behind my sonwhen he was my middle son or my
oldest son, the one who's now amanager over on Maui and a
college graduate, I would putenergy behind my son playing too

(42:03):
many video games and getting asense like he's a fat gamer at
all.
Pale at 35 years old, basicallydoing the same thing he was
doing at 12, but at 35 years old, you know, I'm having that
fantasy right Coming up.
So what the spirit tells me todo on this one is be completely

(42:25):
quiet, go to your room and cryby yourself over that Right.
Because what the Spirit wasshowing me is you don't want to
be like repressing it, so you'rewalking around actually
projecting that onto him.
It's hard for him.

(42:46):
That's difficult for him.
He doesn't even know why, butit makes him feel uncomfortable.
See, because if I'm a mom andI'm walking around, I'm trying
to maintain this unschoolingthing where I'm allowing my kid
to do whatever he wants, andthat means he's playing video
games, eating Cheetos and notdoing any exercise, right, and

(43:07):
if I'm sitting there projectingoh, I hope he gets better and
all this other stuff, no, Ineeded to go to my room and cry
and accept that the love of Godcomes through, even if he is 35,
eating Cheetos, fat, pale, thewhole story, and so then that
takes the energy off of thestory.

(43:31):
And then, and then you know, Ihave a second son who's younger
than him, and he's just adifferent character altogether.
And, and you know he's, he's 17and the older one goes Mom,
what are you going to do?
And he gives me the same storyIf he's 35 and he's just still a
gamer, he never comes out ofhis room and he's just pale and

(43:51):
all this other stuff.
And I go, it'll be fuckingawesome just like it is right
now.
It's like when you're lovingthe lord and you're basically
loving each other, you don'tfucking care you don't care,
judging them right.
Judgment is is not non-existentyeah, look, they have their

(44:15):
unique path.
If that does mean that all theydo and you know, my husband
says the same thing you know Igo, how do you feel about that?
And he's like you know what?
That guy is so calm and sohappy and so content that I feel
like he's like a Buddha in myhouse.
He's like I'll continue doingthis for as long as he wants to

(44:36):
sit there and play video gamesPeople keep cats, they don't
have to do anything it's like,hey, this is great for our
spirit having this, this lightaround.

(44:59):
You know what are we going tojudge him for playing video
games?
For what?
Do we know what he should bedoing?
All right, well, thank you forcoming on, christina.
Thank you, okay.
Okay.

(45:19):
So now I have another questionover here, or statement, or
something, from Durga mysister-in-law is in hospice
within her small apartment.
I seem to be challenged by thisexperience.
I am guided to say I love you.
Death is not the truth.
I seem to be avoiding visitingagain.

(45:42):
I am banishing so many fearthoughts and she's asking for
suggestions.
Yes, yay, okay, they'reperfectly fine.
They're the same as they'vealways been.
They're the same as God createdthem.
No one ever changes from theway God created them.

(46:05):
Okay, no one ever changes fromthat.
So you're recognizing that theway you're perceiving them, the
way you're perceiving them as ifthey're in hospice, is an
illusion.
Also, it's the most beneficialillusion.
Hooray, you're in hospice.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
You made it to hospice.
How are you doing?
How do?

Speaker 1 (46:39):
you feel it's a fucking dream, you guys.
And you know what the funnything is.
People go.
How do you go around like that?
Like how are people reacting toyou when you go around like
that?
The thing is, I have so muchrespect for people.
I have so much respect for thembecause I'm aware of the truth
in them.
I'm aware that they've madetheir fucking illusions and so

(47:02):
they can feel that.
Right, I was sitting right nextto a lady and I told you about
her a little bit earlier.
She's like really big.
She's saying she wants to gohome, which basically she means
she wants to get the deathexperience and get out of here.
And you know, I'm sitting nextto her and I'm just smiling.
I got my arm around her.
I'm like thank you for beinghere, you know, and and and just

(47:28):
having fun with everything thatcomes up and laughing and
smiling, cause that's how it is,that's how it feels.
And you know, meanwhile I'mwatching the person who
regularly caretakes her going.
I'm so sorry, I know, I'm sosorry for the way you feel.
There's also feeling behind that.
That's a feeling.
See, everything is a feeling.

(47:49):
So for me, I watch my own tone.
Does it resonate with my heart.
If not, I just keep on makingpivots.
It's okay, it's not bad, I'mnot trying to cover anything up.
Okay, it's not bad, I'm nottrying to cover anything up.
It's going to kind of switchback and forth to resonating
with my heart and not resonatingwith my heart.
Especially, you know, if I'm ina situation like this where I'm

(48:11):
going to visit someone inhospice, let's say, you know, I
get taken by the illusion for asecond and oh, it's a down in
the dumps, right.
But recognizing, you know,whatever you're feeling, that
seems like you're, you know,seems like empathy, like, oh, I
know it feels so bad, give thatto the spirit, it's not bad, you

(48:32):
just give it over.
You hand it over.
I must not be trusting thatthis is perfect perception for
everyone.
I know I must not be trustingthat this is perfect perception
for everyone.
I must not be trusting thatthis is beneficial.
That's why I feel like this.
That's all.
It's not bad to feel it.
Get the feeling, recognize thatit's actually an opportunity.

(48:54):
Every single thing that seemsto happen.
It's all an opportunity to seethat we never left who we are.
We're still as God created us.
Okay, we've never changed.
So I had a fun comment on one ofmy posts.

(49:16):
Let me see if I can find it,because I could actually answer
this right here.
Let's see, sometimes I don'tshow all the comments now, okay,
okay.
So one of them.

(49:38):
So the world is only a neutralreflection of whatever thoughts
we're accepting as truth rightnow, right now.
So someone asked me what aboutthe organization of competition
for life on the planet?
Is there a way out of war?

(49:58):
And it's like yes, of coursethere's a way out of war.
There a way out of war?
And it's like yes, of coursethere's a way out of war.
Each one of us projects as ifwar is real or as if it's not
real, as if war is justified orif it's not justified.
That's basically what it'ssaying.

(50:19):
Is it really justified?
In truth, that's what happenswith a country that go oh, we
have to go to war because ofthis.
Like it's justified somehow,like we should be at war with
each other instead of in lovewith each other.
See, you know why I love thesense like I'm in.

(50:40):
Okay, here it is.
Today, a friend got curious.
So this is my, my clip thatsaid invulnerability to
embarrassment.
So basically, as usingembarrassment as a catalyst to
invulnerability, ok.
So someone said see where'sthis post, where's this comment.
It disappeared.

(51:00):
I was just there.
Ok, hide, hide, see them all.
Ah, that's funny, all right.
So anyways, there was a commentabout there on there about
getting embarrassed because Iknow for the fact, uh, for the
fact that the person is asexualWell, I don't think they're even

(51:24):
really sure they are asexual ornot they just notice that
they're not having sexualfeelings, so they share with
someone else that they'reasexual.
And then that leads toembarrassment Because the person
actually feels bad for them forbeing asexual.
So she was asking me about that.
And basically, you're notanything, it's not live on

(51:51):
Facebook, it's live on Substack.
Yeah, basically, you're notanything.
You're not asexual, you're notsexual.
This is just something that's influx, let's say it fluctuates,
so you don't have to identifywith anything either way.
Right?
You just notice, noticing, youknow, yeah, apparently in the

(52:14):
dream I haven't been sexual forfive years, or I haven't thought
about sex in five years, orwhatever the story is right but
also recognizing it's a story,it's not something to be proud
of, it's not something to beashamed of.
So when someone reflectssomething to you, like they feel
sorry for you and you noticethat you start to feel

(52:34):
embarrassed.
That means that there's an ideain your mind that something's
wrong with it.
If you're getting the sense thatyou're embarrassed, you know
the way you really would use itfor teaching and learning and
really for, let's say, forcollapsing time, is to see that

(52:58):
you made that up.
You're the one who made it up.
To see that you made that up.
You're the one who made it up,so you don't have to get.
So you don't.
You don't really need to getcomfort for this upset feeling
that you have because you don'thave an upset feeling about it.
Then, the more you see it andhow you project everything, how
you make everything, what youwant it to mean for you, then

(53:24):
the more you can be like oh,thank you, wow, thanks for doing
that.
I can really see the care in it.
You know someone says they feelsorry for you.
It's like, wow, thanks fordoing that.
I could totally see the care init.
Right, that's the same thingwith witnessing.
You know people saying, oh, Iknow I feel so sorry for you.

(53:45):
It's like, oh, you could seethe care in that.
You could also give all powerback to their mind the feeling
sorry.
They're not really feelingsorry for the reason they think,
recognizing that, they're notfeeling sorry for the other
person.
They're feeling sorry about thethought of separation and

(54:07):
projecting that as if it'soutside of themselves to try to
avoid it.
But you know, it's like youcould always be grateful for
something.
There's this care behindeverything, sweet, loving care
for one another.

(54:33):
I observed a woman tellinganother woman how to manipulate
people to get what you want outof them.
You pretend like you like themand then you manipulate them to
get what you want out of them.
And I'm like, wow, that is justso good, it's just so on

(54:56):
loudspeaker.
It's like, wow, thanks forspeaking that out loud.
Like that's what's going onwhen the ego is in charge.
And you know it's like look atwhat you're giving up there,
though, to try to manipulatesomething, to try to manipulate

(55:17):
someone to do something for you.
Look at what you're giving up.
Do something for you.
Look at what you're giving up.
You're giving up yourauthenticity.
You're demonstrating to yourmind a lesson you do not want to
learn, that you can't beauthentic.
And then you look at thesituation that the person finds

(55:37):
themselves in.
You know, I was witnessing thisthis weekend.
Looking at the situation thatthe person finds themselves in
all the different situationswhile thinking they're doing a
good job manipulating people, itdoesn't look good.
It reminds me of where A Coursein Miracles says resign as your

(56:01):
own teacher.
You don't know what you want.
You don't know what you wantout of these people.
You know, I'm observing.
Wow, this person is findingmore and more pain, suffering,
sickness, tiredness in the worldapparently in the world, but

(56:24):
it's really manifesting out of amind that thinks it can control
the world.
This is very different fromhaving command through love.
Having command through love isgenuine.
In having command through love,you don't know how anything

(56:45):
should go.
You don't know what anyoneshould do.
What you do know, when you knowthe command you have, is that
everything is working out inyour favor constantly, even

(57:06):
though you can't know whatthat's supposed to look like.
By the way, someone asked we arelive on Substack and that's
free.
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(57:49):
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(58:10):
Okay, here's a question.
Yay, if I find myself in a hellexperience, that's a good
question.
I like it.
I can see it coming.
Does this mean I'm making it up?
Yes, it does.
In short, it does mean you'remaking it up.
When anxiety runs amok, how canI find peace?
Yes, so basically, you made astory that triggers anxiety and

(58:35):
right now, while you'remaintaining the anxiety, you
believe the story is true.
That's why it's anxious.
That's what's going to make itanxious.
It's fucking awesome becauseyou can get any perception and
when you're aware that you'remaking the perception, any
feeling you get about it.
It's like hooray.

(58:56):
You could bring that feeling tothe truth.
And really, you know, durga,what you were asking about
earlier is how do you handlesomeone in hospice and all this
negative shit?
Start doing your whole lifelike this, like hooray for
anything that arises.
Now, here's anxiety, here'sanxiety.
Oh good, this is where Right,this is where I bring illusions

(59:17):
to the truth.
This is where I collapse time.
This is where I join with Jesus.
Right, this is where I listento the Holy Spirit.
This is holy ground.
Hooray, there's anxiety.
Okay, I didn't even read thewhole question yet.
Suddenly my life feels upsidedown.
I've lost proximity to people Ilove and there's so much chaos

(59:43):
that I can't see thingsdifferently.
Fucking awesome, you're makingit like this.
See, this is where you go.
Oh, this is the.
This is where majortransformation takes place.
This is the instanttransformation takes place.

(01:00:07):
This is the instant, okay,knowing, you're knowing right
now in your heart that nothing'swrong, right, you're knowing to
your heart nothing's wrong,right in your heart, and you're
looking at this.
So, even if nothing changes,even if nothing changes that is
actually the most important part, because that's the ego's fear,

(01:00:30):
that's the ego's whole fearNothing's going to change, right
, of course, everything changesthat you made, because you
haven't changed.
All that's going to change isthe way you're seeing it, the
way you're seeing it.
That's what changes.

(01:00:53):
Don't get attached to yourfucking circumstances.
I mean, this is like really astrong reminder to everyone
who's listening.
Don't get attached to thecircumstances that you seem to
have and don't think the onesthat you're in are going to last
forever.
That's a classic example ofattachment and aversion.
That's all it is.
See, it's like loving whateverit seems to be, loving it

(01:01:21):
whatever it is.
That's what teaches your mind.
That's how you demonstrate whatyou're really here for.
I say here like that because noone's really here, but there's
a dream that we're here.
How do I connect with the HolySpirit?
Okay, yeah, holy Spirit is astill small voice at the bottom

(01:01:44):
of your anxious mind.
So there's a lot of differentways to do it.
It's really easy though.
I mean it's really simple.
Let's say it's just not easy atall for an ego.
It's actually impossible for anego.
So you kind of just leave theego and you do that with a smile
.
It's very gentle.
The ego is loud.

(01:02:04):
The ego is saying that there'sreasons for your feeling this
way and these are the thoughtsit's giving you the thoughts.
It just doesn't make it thatobvious that that's what it's
doing until you're observingyour mind more and more.
The more you observe what'sgoing on, the more you'll see
the ego is what's offering youthoughts that feel like an

(01:02:26):
attack.
Okay, so learning to bring thosethoughts to the truth, like my
mom was talking about how it'sreally good to have a spiritual
practice, or she was sending mesomething about that where you
memorize verses.
She memorizes verses of theBible.
Well, here's the thing If youcan bring your allusions to the

(01:02:49):
truth over and over again byintroducing these thoughts, like
what she's talking about Bibleverses they're certain thoughts.
You can bring all yourallusions to these thoughts,
thoughts.
You can bring all yourillusions to these thoughts.
And one thought might benothing.

(01:03:10):
I see, means anything.
That's the first lesson in ACourse in Miracles.
I'm giving it this meaning.
Right, that might be a littlebit difficult if you're
identified as an ego, but you'reonly identified as an ego
through error.
You're not an ego.
That which is speaking is notyou, so you don't have to listen
to that.
Your heart is broken, okay, yeah.

(01:03:33):
So having the sense that yourheart is broken.
Your heart can't be broken,that's a fact, but having the
sense that your heart is broken,that's like a hooray moment
when I get that sense and youknow.
I don't know what Victoria youare.
It's a name that's on here, butif you've been following me for

(01:03:56):
a little while.
You might know that I wentthrough an experience of having
a broken heart pretty recentlytoo.
And you know, knowing that it'san experience, my heart cannot
be broken.
And getting an experience thatI have a broken heart, knowing
that that is for my seeing, it'sfor my awakening, allows me to

(01:04:21):
use that feeling.
So I'll use that feeling.
Ah, broken heart.
Holy Spirit, how would you haveme see this differently?
Because this pain that I'mprojecting onto myself is truly
pain of separation.
It's not pain from havingcircumstances change.
It sounds like what you mightbe talking about is either some

(01:04:42):
loss in some form, some apparentperceived loss in some form,
like maybe someone breaking up,maybe someone moving away, maybe
someone passing away, anythinglike that.
It's all the same, it doesn'treally matter.
But even the thought that saysyou can't see things differently

(01:05:04):
, that's also the ego.
Of course.
You can see things differently.
So you might change to athought, and you know you're
putting a lot of feeling behindit anyways.
So keep doing that, keepputting all this feeling behind
it.
Say, I'm determined to see itdifferently.
That's good too.
I'm willing to see thingsdifferently, right.

(01:05:24):
Or I'm determined to see thingsdifferently.
You want to see it differently.
While this is up, while it's upfor you, while it's coming up,
you want to see it differently.
You don't want to let it passaway.
And you know what I mean is allthese feelings pass away, like

(01:05:46):
the broken heart.
It arises and it passes away,however long it takes.
It goes through some kind ofcycle and then it's gone.
You want to catch it while it'slive, while that feeling is
live, because during the timethat it's live and it seems like
you have a broken heart, that'swhere it's really potent.
It's the most potent for you tohand it over to the spirit.

(01:06:09):
See, it might seem like it'sharder too, but it's not
actually harder, it's onlyharder.
It only seems harder becausethe meaning that you gave to it,
but that doesn't mean that itactually has that meaning.
That's why there's nodifference between these
different illusions.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Yes, yeah, another way of seeing that differently
is you could see it as the heartis broken open.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
That's a good way to put it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Yeah, that's a way of looking at it differently, and
that must be.
It must be breaking open for areason Right To receive
something.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Yes, the heart is so.
One way he's saying it is youcould see it as the heart is
broken open, and that reallygoes in line with the hooray
Hooray.
See, there's a sense of abroken heart and it's not about
what I think it's about.
It's not even about what Ithink it's about.

(01:07:01):
It's not even about what Ithink it's about.
Like, in my case, I got thesense that I had a broken heart
because it seemed like I finallyhad connected with my what you
might call the closest thing toa twin flame, right.
And then there's the sense that, oh my God, but I met him when
he's immature.
What the fuck, right?

(01:07:22):
So there's this sense of loss.
There's like this deep sense ofloss, and it's like, oh good, I
know what this is for, becauseit sure the fuck is not about
him, no matter how much it mayseem like it's about him.
And you know, I may haveexperience after experience and
go, wow, none of this experiencethat I seem to have even

(01:07:44):
compares to being with him.
Holy shit, right.
But it's like man, even thatthought it's all just coming
from the ego.
So you just bring it to thetruth.
There's no thing like that,there's no possibility for there
to be any loss.
But the sense that there is isactually bringing you in more to

(01:08:08):
your center, less to relying onexternal circumstances or
events to be anything Right.
By the way, I get the sense thatthere is no such thing as the
twin flame.
I'm getting the sense thatthere is no such thing.

(01:08:30):
There's just that there's somepeople who are meant to be
reflecting to you in a morepotent feeling way.
Potent feeling, way, right.
But if you buy into the ideathat that particular situation

(01:08:52):
is now lost, whatever it may be,that particular situation is
now lost to me because I don'thave that particular
circumstance or that particularperson, you make that true for
yourself, especially if you'renoticing a lot of emotion behind
it, right?
So what I put a lot of emotionbehind is the truth that all of
that comes from me.

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So I could keep on seeing thatmore and more.
The truth is all of it camefrom me, wow, wow, that's
amazing.
Came from me, wow, wow, that'samazing.
And you know what that personwas reflecting to me, that I
seem to have fallen in love with, right, I seem to be falling in
love with is an aspect ofmyself that I don't

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automatically see.
So it's like, yeah, I want tosee more of that in myself.
What did I see in that personthat I fell in love with?
I saw gentleness.
I saw childlike innocence.
I saw an appreciation, a deepappreciation.
I saw meditation, right, I sawall these aspects that are in me

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that I don't readily recognize,and that's why it seems like I
need this person around and gosh, that's such a blessing.
I love that.
And then I'm not in charge ofwhether he's around and I'm sure
I don't need him around.
So, release the idea that itshould be any different.

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Yes, yes, really, that meansbringing it to the truth, that
it should be just that as it is.
That's really the key to seeingthat everything is perfect as
it is, and you could say it'sthe key to enlightenment that
you would let things be exactlyas they are, with the sense of a

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broken heart, not trying tosugarcoat it or anything.
You're noticing what's theperception?
What does the perception saythat they did to you?
Let that come out.
Feel it Right.
What does the perception say isunfair about that?
Let it come up with recognitionthat you're making it up.

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This is so important.
Yay, I love you guys.
Okay, durga says yes, potent,teachable moments.
Hooray to the application ofACIM lessons, thanks for the
teaching.
Acim as a practical internship.

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To the truth, she's talkingabout a course in miracles.
In case you're not familiar,that's what ACIM is and, yes, it
is meant to be a practicalcourse.
It talks about it being apractical course.
It totally talks about that.
So, for instance, if you'regoing, god I'm so fat, for

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instance, or God I look so old,or God I'm so wrinkly, or
something like that, thatperception, with that feeling,
actually manifests more of thatfor you.
It's like you're just lookingin that direction.
So the person asked me whatshould I do?
You're welcome, victoria, Ilove you.

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So the person asked me, whatshould I do?
And I go.
Well, you know, here's anotherway of looking at it.
You can go noticing like howyou what feels the best to you,
like, let's say, what way ofyour body looking feels the best
to you, and go, oh fuck, yeah,thank you, that you can.

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You can imagine that.
You can just imagine that.
See, it's like.
It's like, wow, God's will foryou is perfect happiness.
So put some emotion behind whatyou think makes you happy.
That doesn't mean that's waydifferent than trying to look
for something in the world tomanifest that for you.

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That's way different thantelling yourself God, I got to
exercise more.
God, I got to eat better.
What kind of a prayer is this?
See?
And this could just be thoughtand not even coming out of your
mouth.
It's the energy that's behindit.
See, like, for me, I'll justpicture something and I'll just

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smile and go, hmm, oh yeah, ohyeah, thank you.
And then that's where thegratitude comes in.
Okay, yeah, and see thatactually, it speaks to all
yourselves to go in thatdirection.
Right, it's like oh yeah,that's possible, right, and your
imagination is everything, it'sdoing everything.

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It's actually doing everything.
It's making your wholeperception.
Everything, it's actually doingeverything.
It's making your wholeperception.
Oh, this is terrible.
For instance, all the men onlywant to get in my pants, right,
like when I was in Mexico and Ikept on having this perception
over and over again.
It's like, wow, every singleone of them seems to like want

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me for sex, and I go, I'm makingthat up.
That's how I want it.
Right, I'm the one making thatup, right, and any kind of
uncomfortable that I feel, Iknow that's coming from me too,

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you know.
So I keep on fucking aroundthis perception and then I end
up getting a perception oh wow,this is really uncomfortable.
But I still know.
I just maintain what the truthis.
I still know I'm making this up.
I'm even making this sense ofuncomfort, sense of uncomfort,

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right.
So then you can see past anyillusion that anyone is imposing
on you definitely one of myfavorite illusions too.
I mean, this idea is soprevalent.
I've witnessed it over and over, especially living in a
community where it seems likeespecially men can take
advantage of women, but I'vealso seen people use women can

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take advantage of men, or bullythem or be mean to them or
something like that.
So, getting this perceptionover and over again, it's like,
hey, you did it like this andthat was wrong, right,
especially to men, you did itlike this and that was wrong.
And so they get reallysensitive to your perception,

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right.
They get really sensitive toyou saying that this is my
perception, because it'sfollowed up with.
This is wrong.
The thing is, we make thesethings together.
It's like whoa, whoa, whoa, I'mgetting a perception of this.
You didn't do anything wrong.

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We are playing in this together, though.
We are playing in this together, though.
We are playing in this together.
So what this means is, if we'replaying this together and I'm
getting the sense that I'mfeeling uncomfortable and you're

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getting the sense that you'rebeing judged, that's for us to
see together, that's for us tosee through.
Hooray, that's what it's for,isn't that so fun.
We can all play like children.

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We don't have to make anyoneguilty.
We can all play like children.
We don't have to make anyoneguilty.
And you know, I get theperception all the time People
are trying to make me guilty,especially knowing that I'm a,
I'm a spiritual teacher, right,and saying the things that I say

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, even saying the F word, evenget some, you know, uh, like you
, you, what you might calldisrespect, dissing, because I
say the f word, like, somehow itmeans that I'm, I'm less
evolved spiritually.
That's perfect for me, right?
For one, it's coming from myown mind.

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For two, it's a playfulopportunity to demonstrate to my
own mind that I'm still as Godcreated me.
I'm actually watching a show,I'm watching a movie of a woman
awakening, of a woman awakening.

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So however that goes is finewith me.
The end is the same.
See, I'm not what's becomingawakened, I'm not that which is
becoming awakened?
That's not possible.
I haven't changed from the wayGod created me, so it's just fun

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and funny when it seems even itseems like someone's trying to
convince me that I'm doing itwrong.
They're not outside of myself.
So, in the first place, you know, while you believe and this is
some of the advice I've givenpeople before and you know it's
just really playful, you coulduse it if you want While I'm
perceiving in separation and itseems like those people, for

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instance, want me to believethat I'm doing it wrong, fuck
those guys.
See what I mean.
It's like fuck that idea.
It's like in a playful wayRight, fuck that idea.
I don't buy into that.

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You're more rebellious in thatstage.
It's okay, yeah, and I lovethat about myself.
Exactly, right, really, I mean,that's what it leads to.
I love that about myself andthank you.

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Thank you for letting me know.
That was a thought that theyreally loved.
It went over really well withthe.
One of the other women broughtit up.

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She rephrased that to her ownphrasing, which I forgot what it
was right now, but you know itmade sense to her and it was
light and it made her laugh andthat's the thing it's like.
Thank you for letting me know.
And so I kind of see how there'sthis progression of energy.

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You know, when someone's reallydistraught and they're like oh
god, it just feels like, oh, andthey're such close family
members my husband and my son,the only ones in my life they're
telling me, they hate me.
Right now they're telling,telling me what a fuck up I am,
what a loser I am.
You know, it's like when it'sall wild like that and you

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allowed it to go to that place.
But basically you werefollowing thoughts bringing it
to that place.
It's like, fuck those guys, whocares what they think Right.
And then you evolve that youjust get gentler and gentler
with yourself.
You don't have to all of asudden jump to the end.

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You can go little by little,right, fuck those guys.
And then you start bringing itto the truth.
You start looking at it.
At first you're not listeningto that story.
They got a bullshit story thatthey're saying Not listening to
that story.
They got a bullshit story thatthey're saying not listening to
that story.
And then you go oh, oh, what ifthat's true in their story?

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Oh, what if that's really truein their story?
To them it's true right now.
Holy shit, I love that aboutmyself myself.
I love that I'm playing my partin this agreement, that I'm

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going to be that to them.
That's fucking awesome and wow,thank you for letting me know.
So we people our world the waywe want it to be peopled.
We only see them as we wouldhave them be.

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We do not see them as they are.
It's as we would have them be,and they play that with us.
They play that part for us.
That's deserving of gratituderight there that they would do

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that for us, and also their purelove for us and their
willingness to walk home with us, to go home with us.

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I so love it when I meet awilling participant.
That's what I love aboutstaying here with Thomas.
He is a willing participant,right, you know.
That's like.
What does that really mean?
It's like we would bothsurrender to the truth and we

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help each other surrender to thetruth rather than give in to
attacks.
We support each other in ourmutual surrender and it's not a
matter of anyone trying to leaveanyone else behind.

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It's a matter of truthprevailing For me.
I have a strong line to thetruth.
That's what my perceptionreveals to me again and again
and again.
I just have a really strongline to the truth, like a direct
line to what's true.
So when I get a perception,anyone's perceiving anything

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wrong like for Thomas, if heseems to be dealing with a
fearful thing or something likethat it's so simple for me to
see and to reflect to him.
There's no cause for fear here,it's all love.
And then he's willing to seelike he's got that.
That's the willing participant.

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He's willing to see oh, this isall love.
You know.
It's like when I get anyone youknow like reflecting to me hey,

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the way you do things, the wayyou are, it feels like judgment.
The way you are, it feels likejudgment.
The way you just speak thingsout like this, it feels like
judgment.
And I'll bring them to thetruth.
What is this judgment about?

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Because I know I don't feeljudged.
Whenever you judge, you feeljudged, you feel judged, and I'm
like I know I don't feel judgedat all.
That's how you know.
You judged, you feel judged.
So what is this judgment about?
Well, I'm perceiving thatyou're being judgmental and it's

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like why do you want to see itlike that?
And then notice that becausethat's a really good, that's a
really good teaching right there.
It's like man, no one is evencapable of judging.
Let's say, even if they meantto be judging, no one is even
capable of judging.
Let's say, even if they meantto be judging, how am I going to

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feel judged unless I thoughtjudgment was true?
How am I going to feel likethat's the case, right, and it's
like knowing that you're notStuck in any kind of situation.

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It's like if I get the sensethat I'm feeling judged, I can
get out of it right now, and ifI'm getting the sense that I'm
hanging out with someone that'sfeeling judged, that is
definitely changing.
They won't hold on to that forlong.
Either they're going to beapparently separating away from

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me on the surface or they'regoing to change over to just
feeling at ease, at peace withthemselves.
See, this is why allrelationships can be used for
healing, because we actuallycommunicate on a level that's

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beneath all of the manifestation.
We communicate with eachother's truth.
So if I'm constantly willing tosee that the person in my
perception is totally blessingme, totally serving me, that

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their perceptions about fear anduntruth and judgment and all
that stuff are totally justmisperceptions, they won't be
able to stand it.
They cannot maintain theirillusion and keep me around.
That's just how it works.
I don't have to be in charge ofthat one bit.
It's only as long as I wouldmake the illusion true that the

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manifestation can continue aboutus even being hanging out
together us even hanging outtogether, see.
So they either change alongwith me or some kind of a split
occurs, a parent split occurs,but that's only on the surface.
We always stay in communication.
We always do.
We always stay in communication.

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Everyone we ever interact with.
We stay in communication withthem.
Whenever they cross our mind,we are communicating with them.
That's why I'll make sure, whena person crosses my mind, that
I'm extending gratitude, at aminimum extending gratitude.
If it seems like something else, I'll just make sure there's

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extending gratitude in there.
If it seems like something else, I'll just make sure there's
extending gratitude in there.
But you know I get it because Iwent through the process myself
that maybe you're not all theway to extending gratitude right
now.
Right For a time, you mightneed to feel through some angry

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thoughts.
Just know that they're notjustified, so you don't stay

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there.
Staying alert to the presentmoment means being willing to
feel everything.
Feel all the sensations thatyou're projecting, being willing
to see what everyone is givingyou.
It's a blessing.

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Whenever I see someone cry, Ithink it's so cute, I think it's
so adorable and, myselfincluded, it actually looks like
a show.
I saw this since I was a kid,when I was witnessing myself
crying, and I seem to havegotten hurt pretty bad.

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I seem to have burned my leg ona tailpipe, a hot tailpipe.
It seemed to be legitimate whyI would be crying.
I was a little kid, I was maybelike seven years old.
It seemed to be legitimate whyI would be crying.
I was a little kid, I was maybelike seven years old.
It seemed to be legitimate.
I just burned myself on atailpipe, had a huge blister to
show for it, but I witnessed myown crying and I go this is a

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show, I'm acting.
I could see myself acting and Icould really see it clearly
that it's acting.
I could see right past it.
So I can't buy into the factthat there is the idea that
there is justification for thissadness that brings on the tears

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.
I was just kind of like ohthat's, that's so sweet.
You know, one of my auntsstarted crying this weekend.
We're just sitting at the table, random, seemingly random, it's
never really random, but it'sall orchestrated.
Uh, and she goes.

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She just suddenly starts crying.
She just suddenly goes and yourmom and she was so sick I don't
want to see her sick like thatagain and then starting crying
and I'm like, oh, thanks forletting me know, right, and
smile at her.
And later on my mom was going.

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I was wondering how you weregoing to handle that, because
she was just going with how shegoes, with all the negativity,
and it's just like, oh, you know, good to know, happy about that
, happy to know about it.
Oh, what fun.
It's a matter of you know,everyone's making it up.

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Everyone is actually making itup.
The Durga says what about?
It's a matter of you know,everyone's making it up.
Everyone is actually making itup.
The Durga says what about tearsof joy?
Yes, that's different.
Truly, joy is like the essence.
You could say joy is theessence of what we are.

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You could say joy is theessence of what we are.
So, tears of joy, you could saythat's clearing the mask.
It's like clearing it out, andyou know there are ways of
crying too.
It's like how much awarenessare you allowing behind the

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tears?
Are you looking at the tears asif they're justified, as if, oh
, this is really sad.
You know, in this case we seemto be face to face with someone
who does not want to know thetruth.
But they enjoy and appreciate aperson not reacting to them in

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the normal way that people reactto them.
They appreciate that it wasreally sweet.
The same aunt was like hey, areyou guys staying?
I got some more food for you ifyou're staying.
You know just really sweet.
The same aunt was like hey, areyou guys staying?
I got some more food for you ifyou're staying.
You know, just really sweet tous.
I let her know I was nourishedjust by the thought of her

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having food for us.
That was so sweet.
Right, it's just so sweet.
It just shows love, it showsloving, kindness and that's what
we do Without trying to changea person.
Like you shouldn't be crying orsomething like that.
It's like oh, yeah, okay,you're listening and you're

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grooving, right.
So then I hear a story of oh God, she's so negative.
Though it wears on me, it makesme tired.
Here's the thing about that.
It seems like that, but really,even being in that situation

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and having that perception thatsomeone else's energy is wearing
on you and making you tired.
You've worked yourself intothat situation.
You've worked yourself intothat mindset by believing that
you can be affected by otherpeople's energy and someone
can't be exactly where they needto be.
So now, this is the moment tosee that you're making up the

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idea that they can have anyeffect on you.
Actually, your thoughts aboutthem are having an effect on you
.
That's all that can have aneffect on you, and every thought
about them that seems negative,that feels negative and that
you're feeding with emotion.
You're actually making yourselfsick, injured, stiff, old,

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tired, burdened, broke.
That's what's going on there,and this isn't something to be
afraid of, because it's sosimple that you just recognizing
that you're faced with adelusional thought, one that's
telling you that that thisperson can somehow suck your

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energy from you and smile at itimmediately, you have no enemy.
Now this lack of energy is metwith more energy, you
automatically have more energy.
Truth equals, in the illusion,more energy.

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Someone asked me today do youever perceive yourself getting
colds?
Well, I could say that I don'tthink.
It doesn't seem to be.
I wasn't keeping track, butthey asked me this and I go, I
think it has been.
I don't remember having a coldsince I started block therapy.
That was 2022.
That was like February of 2022or having anything like that.

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Once in a while I'll notice alittle symptom, like a pop-up,
and immediately when the symptompops up, I'm like okay, what am
I holding against myself?
That's shooting that thing intomy body's energy field.
That's always what's going on.
That's the first thing, and Idon't go into thoughts about, oh
no, what's going to happen if Iget sick.
I don't start planning forgetting sick.

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Right, that's what a lot ofpeople do, right, you start
planning for getting sick.
You'll notice one symptom andgo okay, if this goes down, I'm
going to do this and this andthis and this and this and this.
No, first thing that comes tomy mind how am I attacking
myself?
How am I making it hard onmyself?
What am I resisting?
And hard on myself, what am Iresisting?

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What am I not saying?
You know, it's like I must beresisting something right now
and I'm popping it up right now.
See, so when I say somethinglike, what am I not saying?
What am I afraid to say?
Really, because that's what'sbeing held up right now and I
got a fun picture of that.
This weekend One of my familymembers apparently went through
some molestation Very common inmy family Not so common in this

(01:37:12):
generation, but the generationbefore that so common and
apparently another one of myfamily members, her mom, wants
to stay with the guy who did themolesting Okay, who apparently
did the molesting.
So, uh, I asked my mom, I go, I, oh, she's probably just needs

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to let that.
I'm talking about the familymember who seems to have been
molested, let's say my niece, um, so my mom goes, my mom goes,
no, she can't say anything aboutit.
Your sister would be devastated.
Her mom would be devastated ifshe said anything about the
molestation publicly.
I go, mom, you realize this isthe exact same story you told me

(01:37:57):
when I was a kid.
You realize this is the samestory.
I said I need to get this out.
You know, I had the sense thatmy mom's husband this is the
exact same thing playing out.
I mean, this is like apsychologist's dream come true.
It proves their every theory.
This is the same exact thing mymom said to me.

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You can't say anything about it, it'll devastate other family
members.
You know what'll happen if youlet that out, someone will kill
you.
That was the story I heard.
Someone's going to kill you,he's connected to mafioso people

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and they're going to kill you.
Right, it was a story.
And I didn't realize it was astory at first.
I kind of was like, oh shit, Iguess I'll just keep that a
secret.
But it only took like two yearsafter that and I was like, oh
fuck that, let them kill me ifthey want to kill me for telling
a story.
I'm telling the story.
I'm telling the story of themolestation, and you know that

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is a step for getting it out.
Eventually it goes toforgiveness.
You know, if you're good atforgiveness already, it goes
straight to forgiveness.
But it doesn't go toforgiveness at all by keeping it
repressed, right, and here'sthe thing that keeps it going to
what I see too.
It's like let's just keepeverything a secret, let's just

(01:39:27):
keep it all a secret.
You know, if you're, if you'regetting the perception that
someone is touching you in a waythat's making you feel
uncomfortable, definitely keepthat a secret.
You don't want to bum anyone out, for instance, right, first it

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needs to be brought to thesurface and then forgiven in the
light of truth.
First brought to the surface,you know, it's like, in a way, I
can appreciate how my parentswere like, hey, don't say
anything about that, it didn'treally happen, it's your
imagination, it's actually true.
Well, now that I look at it, Igo, wow, that's true.

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But that's not how forgivenessis going to happen.
It actually needs to be broughtout.
And imagine, you know, look at,if you're done hiding behavior.
You're done hiding behavior.
Hiding it, you're going to seemuch faster because you're not

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repressing things.
And you know, girls were taughtto be ashamed, and that's in my
day too.
Girls were taught to be ashamedwhenever they were, whenever
they, let's say, molested.
No one really molests anyone.
I want to say that still, it'sreally repressing it and not

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healing it when you teach girlsto be ashamed of it, see, or
let's say, we learn to beashamed of it, because we don't
have to learn to be ashamed ofit either.
It's all our own mind.
So what I realized is I don'thave anything to be ashamed of.
Let the story be told, let itcome out in the open, right, and

(01:41:18):
then people can see oh, I don'twant to, I don't want to, I
don't want to do something.
If it's just going to come out,everyone's going to talk about
it all the time, right?
You just notice, when we talkabout these things, it gives you
a second look.
It's like it's a second look.

(01:41:39):
You know, just imagine this.
Imagine all the time, becausethis is the truth.
All the time the Holy Spirit iswatching you, all the time
Jesus is watching you.
Not that you're not a hundredpercent forgiven in that moment,
but you can think of everyoneis watching and then acting from

(01:42:04):
that.
That's guidance.
Everyone is watching.
That's actually the case.
Everyone is watching and alleyes are your own.
You know so, I might say.

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I've even heard myself say tooit's like man, if you don't want
that talked about, don't do it.
Right, if you don't want thattalked about, don't do it.
These things that you seem to do, that you do in secret.
You do out of a guiltyself-conscious.
If you're asking the HolySpirit, you're not going to

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perceive yourself as doinganything you wouldn't be totally
happy with someone talkingabout.
And then there's the person'sperception happy with someone
talking about, and then there'sthe person's perception.
If you're totally happy withhow you be, you're not going to
mind anyone's perception.
It's only when you're not happyabout it you're secretly

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unhappy about it.
You're going to take it as ifsomeone else's perception of you
is damaging.
You know you could do this as aspiritual practice too.
Just see if you could sit withsomeone else's perception of you

(01:43:38):
without trying to fix it.
That really demonstrates, toyour mind, that you are
invulnerable to anything likethat.
You're invulnerable to thesekinds of things that seem to
cause you to be in a threateningsituation.
Like you ruined my reputation,right.

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Like you ruined my reputation,right.
Like even in our legal systemwe have slander and defamation,
right.
We have this thing and there'sa you know there's some elements
to this.
It's known as a crime andthere's some elements to it and
it's like you know, with there'sintentional and then there's

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negligent.
So negligent is like you kindof like don't know what effects
it's going to have, but then ithas effects where it ruins the
reputation in the community.
It makes it so that they can'tmake money, something like that
man just believing that youcould be damaged by something
like that.
That's not to say that youshouldn't sue someone.

(01:44:46):
You can find yourself suingsomeone, it'll be fine.
Just recognizing that whatyou're really doing is playing
out a fantasy, it's okay.
It's okay, you play out allfantasies just to know that and
come back to we are one.
That's why you play out allfantasies is to come back to we

(01:45:11):
are one.
Imagine yourself being totallyinvulnerable to what anyone ever
says, because, even if thingsseem to go a wrong way for you,
it's exactly what you need.
It's always exactly what youneed.
Someone was telling me a storyit might have been Thomas.
It was about a near-deathexperience of someone who it was

(01:45:35):
you, thomas as someone whocrashed their car, killed their
family Apparently.
It was their fault, they werebehind the wheel and they ended
up living, but they had anear-death experience that
showed them.
The whole reason they're havingthis circumstance is so that
they can demonstrateguiltlessness, because, you know

(01:45:59):
, when they had their near-deathexperience, they saw the, the
guiltlessness they saw it.
So now their function withinthis role of being a man wasn't
it a man too?
A man killing, I believe, hisfemale family members, right,
just to add that spin to it.

(01:46:20):
And then, when he went into thespirit realm, he was shown that
he's totally innocent.
So now his function in here isto demonstrate his complete
innocence, because that's whathe knows Once he had that near
death experience, and heexperienced the truth of it.

(01:46:41):
It's like you can't even go backto pretending like you're
remorseful.
It makes no sense.
It actually makes no sense.
So demand that of no one aswell.
That's the other thing.
Demand that from no one.
Whatever my perception seems tobe, that does not mean someone

(01:47:02):
needs to change.
See, that's the thing, andthat's what I share with my
brothers and sisters too, whowill reflect back to me.
I need you to change and I'mlike that's not the truth.
I'm taking it in.
Here's how I communicate it.
I'm taking it in what you'resharing with me right now and

(01:47:22):
I'm telling you that's not thetruth.
You don't need me to be anydifferent for you to be okay.
I am the way I am.
I am going to be the way, I'mgoing to be Right.
No one is forced to hang outwith me.
That's the thing.
No one, no one's.
Everyone's doing.
Everyone who's hanging out withme.
I don't have them.
I don't have anything over them.

(01:47:42):
I'm not making them hang outwith me.
They can leave the situationanytime.
If I seem to be, I shared withThomas, you know, if it seems
like I'm too much, don't behesitant about saying I need you
to get out of here, because I'mnot going to feel like it's bad
, I'm going to feel like that'sa blessing too and that's
fucking awesome, and it's notgoing to change the way I love

(01:48:05):
you or anything like that.
So, yay, a seeming history ofyour transparency.
This is what seems to make youan exquisite teacher.
I'm not sure what you'rereferring to there, durga, but
thank you for that.
Thank you.
Maybe it was the burning my legwhen I was a kid and seeing that

(01:48:26):
my crying about it was actuallyan act.
Yeah, so I see anyone's tearsas an act and you know someone
was asking me, you know it.
Just it just in a, in a casual,friendly way, just going yeah,
I bet everyone's like reallyjust laughing along with you,

(01:48:47):
kind of like a sarcastic way.
I bet everyone's just laughingwith you and I'm like, yeah,
they are laughing with me, evenif they seem to be reflecting
something else.
But what I notice is, becauseof the deep respect that I have
for each and every person, whenI do laugh, normally people

(01:49:10):
don't take it as being made funof, but occasionally that does
occur and then in that case Ijust ask the spirit, how to be
with that, like the sense thatsomeone feels like they're
judged from my laughter, and Ialso noticed this has happened
all throughout my experiencewith this lifetime is a lot of

(01:49:32):
the times people will getshocked by me, into a sense like
I've done something bad orwrong.
That's a very common thing forme and then come back around to
the truth as if it shocks them.
And I've even seen this in ACourse in Miracles about people
getting shocked first and thencoming into more truth.

(01:49:53):
And you know that role is easyfor me to play because I will
listen to the Spirit, no matterif it seems to go around.
Every person interpretation ofwhat I've done.
And you know, last week, when Iused my friend's name and
talked about my uncomfortablefeelings, I got from both sides
of the aisle.
You know some people were justlike and men I haven't even

(01:50:16):
heard from women at all, justmen, men going.
You know a couple men going one, the one that seemed it seemed
to be about, or took it as beingabout, him, and then another
guy that's fucked up to besaying stuff like that, and
another man going well, shit,they're finding themselves in
that situation.
That's what they need to hear,right, and you know.

(01:50:38):
Neither one is really true.
It's not like they should be,or shouldn't?
I just asked the Holy Spirithow to be with this, and the
Holy Spirit shows me.
It's not like they should be orit shouldn't.
I just ask the Holy Spirit howto be with this, and the Holy
Spirit shows me.
And it's always fun and it'salways enlightening, because I
know that it's beneficial and nomatter what anyone tries to
reflect to me, they deserve it.
Nope, I don't accept that.
That doesn't make any sense andno one deserves anything but

(01:51:02):
perfect happiness and love.
Right?
Is it 100% beneficial?
Yes, that's what it is.
And why is it beneficial?
Because it uplifts all of us,myself included.
Right, I don't have to perceivemy brothers as if they can do
anything to me.
I can get back to seeing that.

(01:51:24):
I make it all up, right, allright, etta Mae, thank you for
coming on.
I love you.
You can unmute yourself.
Okay, I think I got unmuted.
You are unmuted.
Do you want to come on cameraor do you like it like this?

Speaker 4 (01:51:41):
I like it like this because I'm painting Okay,
perfect, yeah, okay, I knowwe're supposed to be closing
right now, but I have a questioncamera, or do you like it like
this?
I like it like this because I'mpainting okay, perfect, yeah,
um, okay, I know we're supposedto be closing right now, but I
have a question and I can'tanswer this right now because of
the ending.
That's fine, no, I'm gonnaanswer it, okay.
So I'm really um, diving intosome of the coursework and also
listening to you and hearingabout asking the Spirit, and I'm

(01:52:08):
just curious, like I'm playingwith this new, like I don't know
, conversation maybe you couldcall it and I'm just wanting to
hear more of other people'sexperiences of talking to the
Spirit and receiving theguidance and knowing what to do,
and I don't know if you couldspeak to that, just because I

(01:52:30):
know you have experience withthat and I've been doing this my
whole life.
But I feel like I'm enteringinto a new realm of it and I
just would love to hear aboutthat more.

Speaker 1 (01:52:38):
Okay.
So the Spirit speaks for God,the Holy Spirit speaks for God
and God's will for you isperfect happiness.
So you can tell by thefluctuations in your body's
energy field when something isstirring.
Let's say and so when you askthe Spirit to help you see and

(01:53:02):
also help you make any decisionsand make them for you, then you
know that that's how it is,that's how you're certain.
When you're asking like that,that's how you're certain that
you know because it feelsinspirational.
Right, so it's what feelsinspirational and it's a deeper

(01:53:24):
feeling.
That's deeper, from thefeelings in the unconscious mind
.
It's a visceral sense.
So like, for instance, whenuncomfortable thoughts and
feelings are arising, allfeelings are made of thought.
They're a thought first beforethey're a feeling.
Okay, when some uncomfortablefeelings like that are arising,
I ask the spirit to help me tosee it the way the spirit would

(01:53:47):
have me see it and help me withmy words and everything.
And I'm in observation mode.
So I'm watching in the body'senergy field.
Where is the inspiration coming?
And that's in the spirit.
So it may be to speak, it maybe not to speak.
It may be not to speak, it maybe just to observe.
It may be to bring thoughts ofthe truth.

(01:54:09):
So one thing that was for mewhen I was getting the sense of
an uncomfortable sensation youknow I trust my brothers who are
one with me.
That's a really common one thatI would use in the in the event
where it seems like someone islike kind of like taking over
the energy.

Speaker 4 (01:54:29):
Right, I trust my brothers who are one with me see
, yeah, so we can see go aheadand, um, you know, I, I the the
ego centric thoughts coming fromfear, and then the opposite is
the source thoughts coming fromlove.

(01:54:51):
Sometimes I'm like, okay, isthis spirit speaking to me or is
this my ego, you know?
And it's like yeah.
So I'm just like trying to likeyeah, but you're saying like
it's in the in, like how yourbody feels, and that's when
you're feeling joy andinspiration.
You know that's coming from god, right?

Speaker 1 (01:55:11):
because the joy and inspiration comes from the
foundation of the mind.
So, like, there's thefoundation of the mind and then
there's all these ego thoughts,unconscious ego thoughts, and
they become conscious when theycome with a feeling.
They kind of like rise to thesurface.
So you got these ego thoughtsrising to the surface, all this

(01:55:34):
unconscious mind and thefoundation of the mind, which is
perfect.
Love, the foundation of themind.
So that's the still small voice.
It's beneath all the wild,raucous ego thoughts.
Ego thoughts feel rushed, theyfeel tired.
There's a certain tone to them.
Yeah, there's a certain tone tothem Like, oh, I got to do this

(01:55:58):
, you know.
I've got to make this thinghappen.
Control, manipulation, anythinglike that.
Anything that seems like youneed a particular outcome,
that's the ego.
Anything that moves to evaluateyourself or anyone else for
right or wrongness is the ego.

(01:56:20):
Anything seeking to evaluatebehavior, anything projecting
the future, anything lamentingabout the past.
See, it's fun to see what theego is, and it's really good to
see what the ego is.
So you can recognize the voiceof ego and see the contrast
between the voice of ego and thevoice of spirit, because the

(01:56:41):
voice of spirit is alwaysuplifting and the voice of
spirit, because the voice ofspirit is always uplifting and
it always uplifts you with yourbrother, not apart from your
brother.
The ego would lift you apartfrom your brother, which is
impossible, so you really don'tgo anywhere.
It's a temporary comfort to theego.
This is really helpful.

(01:57:02):
Thank you, yay, thank you too.
I love you.
Thank you for being on wisdom.
Yeah, all right.
Yay, everyone.
So until next time, and I'll beback next week.
It's gonna be so much fun.
Um, let me know if you have anyquestions.

(01:57:24):
You can send your questions tome.
I'll take care of them here onWisdom Dialogues.
Otherwise, you know I alwayshave plenty to talk about.
No problem, if you don't sendany questions, I will be coming
back next week.
My plan is to be here in Sedona.
Still, I know the plan isalways changing, so I keep you

(01:57:45):
updated here.
To stay here in Sedona untilthe end of October, that's still
my plan.
I put a flyer out saying I wasgoing to do this for six weeks.
This is week two.
I also do A Course in MiraclesDeep Dives on Wednesday at the
same time and it's at the sameplace.
You could find my calendar onhopejohnsonorg.

(01:58:07):
Aloha Meleka, I love you.
My calendar is onhopejohnsonorg.
You can click there.
You can find these recordings.
You can find how to join theserecordings.
You can donate to me there.
You can book one-to-ones withme there.
After going to Bullhead City andmeeting that sweet tribe over
there, it seems like I will bestaying there at some point.

(01:58:29):
I'm not sure where that's goingto fit in, whether it's before
I go to Washington or after orin the middle of it or something
like that, but I found acommunity over there I just
happened to stumble upon itseems.
I know everything'sorchestrated, but I ended up at
a women's freedom from alcoholgroup and that happens to be a

(01:58:51):
center where they take guestspeakers and stuff like that,
and I'm being offered a nicecasita to myself and also a pool
.
A pool is there, and this iswith two women who like to do
all kinds of cool stuff, so thatdefinitely sounds like a fun
option.
It's kind of close to here.

(01:59:12):
They even said they'll come andget me three and a half hours
away, so I might find myselfover there, who knows, maybe in
November, and let me know ifthere's somewhere you want to
come.
I'm just want me to come.
I'm just seeing where thegreatest resonance is, where
there's a group of people orpeople that feel the most open

(01:59:33):
and where I'm guided to be.
So feel free to let me know ifyou want to host me and we'll
have a talk about it.
Also, I do offer live-inservice, which you kind of
automatically get that when youhost me, especially depending
how close quarters we are.
You know, like with Thomas,we're living in the same very

(01:59:54):
small space and we like to hangout with each other a lot.
So he'll give you a review ofwhat that's like to live with me
and have that kind oftransformational bridging once
it's done.
I've got about another monthwith him and so far it seems to
be totally awesome, likeanything that comes up, our

(02:00:15):
being willing participants witheach other.
It just gets shown in the lightof truth and so much adventure
and learning takes place.
So I'm really happy to sharethis with him and with all of
you, and I love you so much anduntil next time, mahalo aloha
and a hui hou.

(02:00:35):
I love you, thank you.

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