The Holy Instant | Wisdom Dialogues @ Ajijic, Mexico | August 25, 2025 - Hope Johnson's Wisdom Dialogues

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Aloha and welcome to Wisdom Dialogues with Hope
Johnson coming to you fromAjijic, mexico for the last time
, at least for a little while,won't be back till at least
November next year, so I'm superhappy for everyone who's

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joining.
Thank you so much.
Let's join in a moment ofsilence and gratitude.
Thank you to everyone who'sjoining, whether right now
online or listening later to apodcast or watching a video

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later.
Thank you for your willingnessto see clearly, to have more joy
, let's say, to remember yourjoy, to see past all the clouds
of confusion and see one anotherand ourselves.

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Truly, yay, and thank you toJesus for guiding this.
So much love.
I seem to be live on Substackright now, although I can't see
you guys, so so, hmm, maybeit'll show up at a certain time

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here on my screen.
If you want to communicate withme, go on Zoom.
Oh, I love you, thank you.
Oh, there it is, I see you now.
So if you want to communicatewith me on Substack, just go
ahead and write a message inthere and I'll see you.
If you're on Zoom and you wantto speak with me, raise your

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hand or go right into the chat.
I'll see you there.
So, yay, so everything, everythought that we have, actually
comes from love.
It can't come from anythingelse.
Love is the foundation of ourmind, right?

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It only turns into somethingelse because of fear interfering
, and that's not recognizingthat the cause is always love,
the foundation.
That's seeming like we needsome form of protection.
Okay, so then we try to protectourselves basically from love.

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The whole cause is always that.
So, let's say, we have anexperience where it seems like
something has gone wrong, sothen what we try to do is
protect ourselves from havingthe same experience again,
instead of allowing theexperience itself to be

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reinterpreted.
Okay, one example, as a friendthat was sharing with me
yesterday said that he wasmarried and when he was married,
his wife cheated on him with afriend, and so then his mind
moves to try to protect him fromhaving the same experience

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again, to try to avoid thatexperience instead of allowing
it to be reinterpreted.
See, I've seen this a lot.
It's been coming up in myperception people who thinking
that they're bad at something,they're bad at love, they're bad
at being in the relationship,so then they decide for

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themselves that they're going toprotect themselves from that
kind of situation.
See, that's not allowingeverything to be orchestrated by
the spirit.
If you just allow it to beorchestrated by the spirit and
not taking things as personal,any pain that you experience

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will be reinterpreted for you.
So you don't have to try toavoid experiences.
It's just looking at it as whydoes this actually hurt me?
That I'm getting the experiencethat someone is cheating on me.
It's all meant to show yousomething right.
It's all meant to show you likewhere are your attachments?

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Where are your attachments inlove?
Where are your attachments?
Where are your attachments inlove?
For myself, I had an experienceafter I had been married for
many years Maybe it was about 10years.
I got this sense like I wasafraid that my husband was going
to cheat on me, and I had aconversation with the Spirit and

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I asked for a differentinterpretation.
I didn't want to be a victim.
I didn't want to be a victim.
I didn't want to be a victim ofthe world.
So the Spirit showed me throughdreaming, in a nighttime dream,
that that wasn't threatening atall.
It may be the end of ourrelating, but it would be more
like thank you, it's more,everything's more directional.

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More like thank you, it's more,everything's more directional.
Like whatever people seem to do, whatever they seem to project
or anything, if it's not joyfulfor you, it's more directional.
Oh, okay, I've learned what Ineeded to learn through that
particular form of relating.
And now it's moving on.
When you're not making a personspecial and you know this bears

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definitely a definition whatdoes it mean to make a person
special?
That means that you gave them aspecial function.
So, from the Holy Spirit'sperspective, everyone has a
function and it's the samefunction.
It's forgiveness.

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Your function is forgiveness ofyour illusions as the light of
the world.
Over time, everyone learns thattheir function is to forgive
illusions.
So when we give a person aspecial function, we're saying
that they're supposed to be acertain way just for us.
And that's where the pain comesfrom right.
It's not keeping it open, it'snot being like open to however

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these bodies are orchestrated.
They're actually beingorchestrated for everyone's best
interest.
For everyone's best interest,the Holy Spirit has maximal
benefit in mind in the way allof these things are orchestrated
.
So the only way we ever come totears we're just hurting

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ourselves because we're makingan interpretation that's not
true.
Making someone special meansgiving them a special function
for us in our lives, and this isespecially true and it comes
into focus very clearly whenyou're talking about a
parent-child relationship.

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Many times parents put aspecial function on the child
like you're supposed to numberone, behave as in, do everything
I tell you to do.
You're supposed to do well inschool, you're supposed to do
your homework, you're supposedto eat all your food or whatever

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that is, and that causesconflict.
You know, the child ends upinternalizing this sense.
Like they're supposed toperform for the world.
We're not really meant to dothat.
We're meant to be the light ofthe world, meaning bringing

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everything to forgiveness,forgiving our illusions.
Now, at the same time, no one isaffected by their past, no one.
We use this often as if it'sthe way our parents raised us,
like this is an excuse or somejustification for the way I'm

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acting now.
It's the way my parents didsomething and I have trauma.
Let's say, well, there's notrauma in the past because
there's no past.
All trauma is being projectedright now.
And see, this is a cop-out forthe mind.
The ego loves this.

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The ego loves to go back andrelive trauma and see if we can
somehow heal it in that way,when the only time is now.
So the reinterpretation thatneeds to take place is right now
.
It's in recognizing that youneed a different view on what

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you're making real, the HolySpirit's view right now on what
you're making real and true toyou, and then, being not
affected by the past, you'reable to just say thank you.
That's why that dream I had ofmy husband it was very vivid.
I usually don't remember dreamslike this, but this was just

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such a relief for me.
It just felt like such a relief.
And I noticed our relationshipchanged too, because, while I
was afraid that he might findsomeone else and leave me, our
relationship had a certain kindof strain on it as well.
So once I saw that, oh, in theevent that he wants to engage in

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a sexual manner with anotherwoman, that wouldn't be a bad
thing, it looked like to me inthat dream.
It would just be the end ofthat form of our relationship.
It wouldn't be making him wrongor bad, it would be more like
thank you, you know, thank youfor the wonderful time we spent

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together.
And and now this is aredirection for me it means
moving in a different direction.
Right In the same way, Irecently had a lover and there
was this manipulation behaviorthat was being played out, and I
noticed it for a little while,but I didn't really hone in on

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it, like say, holy Spirit, lookat this with me.
This doesn't feel joyful to me,right?
Because I knew in the back ofmy mind that once I did it it
was going to be the end of therelating and I just had a really
fun time in other ways.
I was like ooh, juicy and good,you know.
And then at some point I said,okay, holy Spirit, look at this

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with me.
And there was like thismanipulative energy happening
and I had outgrown that, like inmy consciousness.
I had just outgrown it.
So it wasn't a way of making itwrong, it's just like this is
what I noticed and this is whatI expressed to him too.
This is what I noticed.
Here's the different ways thatyou're using manipulation, and

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I'm not saying that, you know,I'm not shutting the door on
relating with you.
I'm just saying that I'mlistening to the spirit and I'm
noticing what resonates with meand what feels good to me, right
?
So then at that point he lookedat it too and he goes you know
what?
I'm just going to back awayfrom this right now, because I,

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I need to do some work on myself, basically, so, uh, so it's
like, oh, okay, you know, that'sperfect, that's always perfect
for all of us, you know.
And noticing that the fear waswithin myself, uh, that I didn't
want to lose the form ofrelating, I didn't want to lose
the form of relating that seemedto feel good and felt like I

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wanted that, you know.
But seeing that, oh, this isactually perfect because I've
outgrown that way, I've outgrown, I've outgrown that way, I've
outgrown being in relating likethat.
So what it does is it allowsyou to relate in a very honest
way, right, and not trying tocover things up.

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It allows you to see, truly,like, what is in alignment with
your joy, and everything that'sbeing orchestrated is
orchestrated to bring yougreater joy.
The desire for God, which isirresistible in everyone.

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It's irresistible.
We try to resist it for a timeand we make ourselves upset and
we make ourselves seeming to gothrough many hardships because
we're trying to resist thedesire for God.
There's this pull toward Godand that's a joyful pull.
It's opening us up to more andmore joy in ourselves and, by

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extension, through our relating.
We stop trying to control howthings are going and just let
them play themselves out.
I've long talked about justhaving an open hand, almost like
an open hand allowing people tocome and just kind of like
dance through your experience inwhatever way they do, and being

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in a real playful, light way,and not going deep in the ego
sense.
Okay, here's going deep in theego sense.
This is what it looks like.
I need you to be like this forme.
Okay, when you show up likethis, it makes me sad.
That's not true.

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That's manipulation.
Okay, when, when, when, you'renot available to me in this way,
it makes me cry.
That's not true.
That's actually.
That's actually manipulation.
It's not bad, and you know, ifyou're relating with me and you
reflect to me like that, I maycall you out on that.

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You know not in a mean way, Iwould just let you know hey, you
know what that's manipulation,right, and it's likely that if
you're not ready to shift, wemay not be interacting right.
Or, let's say, you expect me tolive up to some kind of

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expectation that you have.
You may find that we're notinteracting because I don't play
like that.
There's plenty of people whowill play like that, so it's
like.
Once we recognize, though, whatthat is, and it may take a long
time to recognize it.
But once we recognize what thatis, we're not take a long time
to recognize it.
But once we recognize what thatis, we're not available for

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that kind of game anymore.
And it's not about making anyonewrong.
We may perceive narcissisticbehavior, we may perceive
gaslighting, we may perceiveimmaturity or controlling
behavior, but it's not a matterof making anyone wrong about it.
It's just recognizing this isbehavior that doesn't resonate

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with me, and I'm listening in anenergetic way.
In an energetic way that meanswithin the body's energy field,
because we could feel what kindof play resonates with
joyfulness, in as much as we canopen up for in this moment.
How much joy are we allowingfor ourselves?

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That's the thing, and withoutfear of being alone.
There's no alone.
You're never, ever alone.
There's no alone.
You're never, ever alone.
Okay, the Holy Spirit istotally with us all the time.
There's no being alone, but thesense of loneliness, again,

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that's a projection, that's adistortion.
Every thought, the foundationof every thought, is perfect
love, but this is us trying toprotect ourselves from love by
projecting that we're lonelybecause we're alone.
The way the Holy Spiritpresents that to me is enjoy the

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times when there doesn't seemto be another body around.
Having another body arounddoesn't make you not alone.
It's still the same.
All the bodies that seem to bearound are only projected, and
we're projecting them in a waythat's distorted.

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They're all projected in a waythat's distorted.
They're all projected in a waythat's distorted.
Look, one way you can tell isyou don't perceive them as the
beam of light that they are.
They seem to be on a body,somewhere on a trajectory
between birth and death.
That's how we know we're notperceiving truly and we want to

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perceive truly.
The other thing is it'sinevitable that we will perceive
truly.
That's part of the draw towardGod, the desire for God.
That's what's put in our mindand that's the only true desire.
That's what's put in our mindand that's the only true desire.

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Anything that we seem to want,anyone that we seem to want, any
behavior that we seem to want,that's all just distortion of
the desire for God.
So once we recognize that, wecan enjoy these seeming desires
and stay in service.
What I mean by stay in serviceis be willing to do whatever the

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spirit would have you do inevery moment, doing absolutely
nothing for yourself, knowingthat whenever you try to do
anything for yourself, anythingat all, that's not in service.
It only leads to pain.
So whenever we find ourselvesin pain, it's unwillingness to

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be in service.
Now, what that looks like in mylife.
People don't realize what it is.
What is it to be in service?
What is that right?
Does it mean you're working ina soup kitchen?
Well, it could right, butlisten to the Holy Spirit's call
.
The Holy Spirit will inform mewhen to eat, what to eat, when

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to rest, how much to rest, whento exercise, how much to
exercise, who to see, what tospeak?
Right, it's a mental listening.
You're listening from withinyour mind.
And when I say mental, there'stwo ways to look at mental.
There's the mental that's allabout worldly things, cause and

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effect in the world, right.
And then there's the mental.
That's all, it's all mental.
There's a mental that'sheart-based mental, that comes
from feeling in the body sense.
It's a visceral sense, it's nota mental sense.
As far as evaluating cause andeffect in the world, you know,

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when it's Holy Spirit, whatshould I eat, for instance?
It's not basing it on pastknowledge of what's
nutritionally sound.
It's not basing it on somethinglike that.
It's actually asking HolySpirit what should I eat right
now?
Okay, and so you're listeningwithin the body's energy field

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and not and not leaning to yourown understanding.
So Kai's asking a question isGod out there?
Well, there's no out there.
Thank you for that question,kai.
There's no out there.
God is in my mind, so God is in.
This is a lesson from A Coursein Miracles, one of the lessons.

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The title is God is ineverything I see because God is
in my mind.
So everything I see comes fromme and God is in it because God
is in my mind.
That's what I'm talking aboutis the foundational thought is
love.
You can look at it like thisGod is synonymous with love.

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You can take any Bible verse orA Course in Miracles quote and
you could substitute loveanytime you see God there.
Okay, it's not really apatriarchal thing, as it seems
All right.
So love is the foundation of mymind.

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I choose, when listening to theego, to distort love, to make it
mean something else.
Now, cause and effect in theworld is not one bit true.
So take the idea you know likeyour spouse is cheating on you.
Let's say that your spouse ischeating on you and you caught

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him with another partner and allof a sudden you feel all this
turmoil.
Ego's cause and effect wouldsay that you feel the turmoil
because you're perceiving thecheating.
That's not true at all.
It's the turmoil in the firstplace that made you number one.

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Give them a special function.
What's the special function?
They won't cheat on you.
That's a special function.
You don't know.
People would ask me too.
When I first got with myhusband, people would ask me do
you think he would ever cheat onyou?
And I go I don't know, if hedid, that would probably be the

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end of the relating.
But I'm not like, oh God,please don't, please don't,
please don't.
That would be the worst right.
And it's similar to your let'ssay your kid.
Oh, please, don't get badgrades.
Or all the way to please don'tdo drugs.
Or all the way to please don'tcommit suicide.
That would be the worst right.

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That's all.
Giving them a special function.
Everyone's function is the same.
Everyone's function is the sameand that's to be the light of
the world.
In whatever way they be thelight of the world and whatever
way they're orchestrated.
In your experience.
That's given you so that youcould be the light of the world,

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with that perception it's notavoiding any perception, it's
actually with that perception,and it's such a blessing that
nothing is outside of ourselvesso we could take everything as
it's meant to be.
Okay, I had the perceptionrecently it was so fun that I

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paid for these blocks for blocktherapy.
People can do some blocktherapy and lots of people are
interested in this compressiontherapy using blocks.
And so I met a woodworker rightnext door to Namaste Village
and I'm like hey, do you want tomake these blocks?
He doesn't speak any English,right?
So I got the perception he wasnot making those blocks.

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After I gave him a deposit, Iwas like it seems like this dude
is really not making the blocks.
He knows I'm flying out of hereand he's just telling me every
day, tomorrow, tomorrow,tomorrow.
And then it seemed like allthese people really want blocks,
they're loving the compressiontherapy and they really want

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some blocks.
So I'm sharing with the people.
Look, here's the deal If hedoesn't come through, I'm going
to give everyone their depositsback and then you guys can go to
blocktherapycom and you can getthe block therapy blocks and
everything will be good, youknow.
So the reaction that I perceivefrom people is oh no, don't say

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anything like that.
You know we're attached to theblocks.
We want to get them from herebecause, for one, we know
they're going to come, we don'thave to get them in the mail,
and for two, they're a waybetter deal because they're
being made in Mexico.
For two, they're way betterdeal because they're being made

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in Mexico.
And so you know I go.
Well, it's okay, we're nottrying to control the illusion,
we're not going to try tocontrol anything.
The way it goes, whatever wayit goes, that's what we're using
.
That's how the Holy Spirit'sorchestrating everything so that
we can forgive our illusions.
Nothing in the world can evergo wrong.

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And this is the freedom.
It's knowing that nothing inthe world can ever go wrong.
It's such a blessing.
And this doesn't mean that inthe perception I'm just like oh,
okay, whatever, in a way that'sreally passive.
In the illusion it's not likethat at all.

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It's eyes wide open, noticingdifferent opportunities.
So then this sweet Mexican mancomes into my life who happens
to be bilingual, and I just askhim hey, would you like to help
me talk to this dude over here?
And then he also does someblock therapy with me.

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So he's like, hey, I want someof these blocks too.
Give me that guy's number, I'llcall him, I'll talk to him in
Spanish, you know.
So that seems to light a fireunder the guy's ass and he just
starts making the blocks.
Seems to light a fire under theguy's ass and he just starts
making the blocks and now itreally looks like we're going to
get these blocks today.
You know, and that's how it is.

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It's just, it's not necessarilylike it's going to go the way
you think you want it to go, butit's always being orchestrated
so that you can have thesedifferent interactions.
And all these interactions areso blessed Me with a person who
recently came into my life,alejandro, and then Alejandro

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and the block maker and me andall the people who are blocking,
where it's all divinelyorchestrated.
You start looking at all theinteractions as they are
divinely orchestrated so that wecan have these opportunities to
bring our illusions to thetruth and have holy instants

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with each other.
Right, I love that.
The holy instant is constantlyunfolding and it's the only
thing that's really unfolding,like all of our illusions, all
of our perceptions of the world,all of our silly ideas of how
things should go, and thoughtsabout our meaningless lives.

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They're not doing anything,it's nothing.
The only thing that's real isthe holy instant and that's this
instant.
That's where we bring ourillusions to the truth and we
perceive these divineinteractions that we have
together, and that is thegreatest joy.
That's what's constantlyunfolding, until the veil of

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separation is lifted and all wedo see of each other is this
light, perfect light, andanything that's not seeing each
other like that is simply anopportunity.
Anyone who seems to befrustrating or seems to be
bothering us, anything like thata sound right.

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Sometimes there's these carsthat drive around here and
they're very loud on theirloudspeaker.
I cannot tell what they'resaying.
I haven't learned that muchSpanish, but it seems like they
may be selling something fromtheir car and maybe listing off
what they are offering fromtheir car and they don't mind.

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They have no filter on how loudthey could possibly be.
So I'll be doing recordings inhere.
I'll be recording voiceoversfor you guys and bonus audios
and stuff like that, and I'lljust pause and I'll edit it out
later.
But I'll just pause and letthat go through and I'll just

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notice.
I'll turn my attention inwardto see if there's any form of
frustration or resistance andwhat that's like is in the
body's energy field, especiallyin the core, there's a sense of
pushing away, like I don't wantthis experience, and also a

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sense with the rib cagecontracting inward, like I don't
want this right.
So in turning the eyes inwardand asking that to be
reinterpreted, that also isgiven over to the holy instant,
which is just expanding andexpanding, and Kalama says fuck,

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I love the holy instant.
I'm telling you, me too, it isthe ecstasy.
One time, actually many times,my friend Christine, who's also
on here, has said the truth iserotic and yes, it's like more
so like more than anything else,because you know even all sense

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of eroticism that has to dowith sex and everything like
that.
That's actually just like asymbol.
It's a symbol.
It's not real.
It's a symbol of what it's liketo be in the grace of God, to
be in the holy instance.
It's more beautiful than anykind of experience that you

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could have as an illusion, butit can be brought into any
illusion too.
So it's like.
It's like the holy instantlights up the illusion and this
comes from willingness.
It's willingness to see.
Now, in A Course in Miracles,jesus was talking about how

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Jesus was talking about howAloha, alexia, I love you.
Jesus was talking about how, atthe time he channeled this, of
course, in miracles, which wasin the late 60s that there was
only one person in the wholetime, and the whole time there
was only one person who had sex,wholly without the ego's

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interruption or the ego'sinterpretation.
And basically the ego'sinterpretation is using it,
using sex for personal gain,okay, using it to join.

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We don't join in that way.
It's using it to kind of liketo entrap another person, right,
using it for personal pleasure.
So it's like it's not sayinghe's never, saying it's a bad
thing, but it's like this holyinstant can be brought into
anything and that's where you'retotally released of trying to

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use anything for anything elsebut the Holy Spirit's purpose.
And the Holy Spirit's purpose isto be a bridge back to sanity,
back to, basically, we're notbodies.
And the sense that we're not,you know, the sense that we are
bodies, is what's blocking ourminds.

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Joining, okay.
Kai says I don't think thetruth needs our thinking.
Yes, that's right.
Well, see, we don't have ourown thoughts.
While we're perceivingseparation, while we're
perceiving this world, we don'thave our own thoughts.

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We've cut ourselves off fromour own thoughts, and that's why
Jesus gave us or God gave us,the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is a wholethought system.
While we're perceiving in thisworld, we're actually listening
to one thought system or theother.
That's why we're making achoice which voice?

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We're making a choice betweentwo voices.
Which voice would we listen to?
Would we listen to the HolySpirit's voice, which is for our
freedom, which is for our joy,or are we listening to the ego's
voice that makes worldly causeand effect true?
Because the ego only wants tocause us suffering and

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ultimately kill bodies.
That's the ego's whole motive.
So, noticing, we're always,always, always listening to one
voice or the other, and we cantell by tuning in in our body's
energy field exactly which voicewe're listening to.
If we're listening to the HolySpirit, we feel happy, we feel

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joyful.
Okay, if we're listening to theego, we feel contracted.
Now, this is going on all daylong with all these different
particulars of our life.
Right, I'll get a sense, youknow, just reflecting on, I'll
get a sense.
I'll be in the shower, right.
Shower's a great place, youknow, because you're just.
You're just.

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You got the warm water andyou're washing yourself.
It's a great place to be awareof what's going on.
Which thoughts are youlistening to?
And it just occurred to me oh,my goodness, what if that guy
doesn't come through with theblocks?
And when I see that it's anopportunity, I bring it over to
the truth, I bring it to theHoly Spirit's thought system,

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which the Holy Spirit's thoughtsystem is basically telling me
something like all of theseexperiences are being
orchestrated perfectly,nothing's going to go wrong.
And immediately visceral sense.
It goes from a shutting downvisceral sense to an expansive
visceral sense.
And that's what this lookingdoes.

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It's not a matter of, you know,trying to make a spiritual
self-image that never getsdisturbed.
That's what the ego is tryingto do.
It's trying to get you tobelieve that you're beyond the
world already, even thoughyou're perceiving a world.
Well, you are always beyond theworld.
In truth, you're not in theworld.

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The world is actually arisingin your mind.
You're certainly not in a body.
It's not like you're going tobe able to cut that thing open
and you're going to somehow comeout of it.
Okay, it's actually.
The body is in your own mind,but your vision is clouded as
long as you're perceiving a body.

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So you want to have that holyinstant.
And what brings about the holyinstant is your willingness to
see the contrast betweenlistening to the Holy Spirit's
voice and listening to the ego'svoice, and knowing which one
you want, recognizing which oneyou want.
That's what the contrast is forand that's what allows us to

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return to the holy instant againand again and again.
Such a blessing.
Kalama says you are getting goodat verbally distinguishing the
two voices the Holy Spirit voiceand the world thought system.
Yes, we're all doing that.

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We're all doing that.
She says forgiveness is myplayground.
Yes, that's right.
What a fun reflection.
You know, it's like that's whatyou see when.
That's what you see in me.
That's what you are actuallycoming to within yourself.
You're doing that withinyourself.
You know, uh, really, what,that's, what's going on.

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We're all mirrors.
So it's like, yes, forgivenessis my playground.
Is you're welcoming the sense ofcontraction?
You're not pushing it awaybecause you're not using it to
depict the self-image.
You know, I have one friendwho's going God, I'm so bad.
She's getting way better, bythe way.
God, I'm so bad at it.

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Why am I so bad at it?
And I'm like smile at that.
Even the idea that says I'm so,why am I not further along?
Why am I so bad at it?
That is the opportunity thatbecomes the opportunity.
Look at that thought.
That has to be listening to theego.
If it's a choice between twovoices, how can that be the Holy

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Spirit's voice?
The Holy Spirit wouldn't besaying God lamenting themselves,
right?
So that's showing you thatthat's an opportunity for you.
Right now, you're not thatvoice.
You bring it to the truth andthe Holy Spirit will resolve it
for you.
Basically neutralize thatthought.

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Now, the Holy Spirit is also anillusion.
That's a really fun point too.
People will go well, isn't thatvoice also an illusion?
Yes, it is.
It's an illusion given youbecause you made an illusion,
which is the ego.
You made the ego, and if youdidn't have a voice that was
basically the opposite of that,you would be stuck in the ego

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forever, which is a lot ofpeople believe that they are.
There's lots of forms ofspirituality that believe that
all there is, that all there isis this wheel of birth and death
.
We just keep on recycling.
It's a wheel of birth and death, birth and death, birth and
death.
And that's exactly what itwould be if we didn't have the
Holy Spirit to bring usvertically.

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So the birth and death thing,that's exactly what it would be
if we didn't have the HolySpirit to bring us vertically.
So the birth and death thing,it's like a spiral.
It's going nowhere, nowhere,just going around and around and
around.
Yes, that's exactly what it'sdoing, but with the Holy Spirit
neutralizing these thoughts, weare going vertical.
So it's like even ourexperience of life and our

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experience of each other and ourinteractions becomes more
playful and more joyful as we'regoing vertical.
And in that vertical basicallyyou can call it ascension
there's going to be seemingtimes where you almost you get
the sense that you fellbackwards.
It's like, wow, why is thisbothering me so much?

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Why is this particular let'ssay from my experience, why is
this relating with thisparticular person seeming so
freaking delusional?
Why do I seem to be sodelusional in this particular
one when it seems like I havecome so far right?

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And the thing that really pullsme out of that kind of mindset
is recognizing I'm not goingbackward at all.
All I'm doing is perceivingcorners of my subconscious that
I've kept hidden, that I wasafraid to look at before, and
now these are being brought upto be seen in the light of truth

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.
Would I continue to look on thisas a special relationship,
which we defined earlier?
We said it would be givingsomeone a special function.
Right, it would be givingsomeone a special function.
Right, in this case, I gavethis person a special function
to be a certain level ofspiritually aware right, to be a

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certain level of honest withhimself and with me.
Right, that's not the functionthat the Holy Spirit gives to
anyone.
That's not how it is right.
Everyone is to be honored atwherever they are on their path,
and also to see that, howeverI'm making this is not how I

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want to make it.
I wanna see my brother, truly,I wanna honor his path, and so,
as difficult as it was to lookat it like that, I was inspired
to keep looking at it like thatso that I could come back into
peace, a sense of peace, a senseof the holy instant, sooner

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rather than later.
And what happens for me is justa deeper sense of joy, a deeper
sense of awareness as I gothrough these different you
could call them trials if youwant learning opportunities.
Right, you call them learningopportunities.
Ego equals world thought system.

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Yes, that's right, the thoughtsystem about the world, the
cause and effect.
True cause is God.
True effect is God's child orson, as A Course in Miracles
puts it.
A Course in Miracles says son,you could say child, you could
say extension, it doesn't reallymatter.
A Course in Miracles does notmean this in a patriarchal way.

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All right, it's just a matter.
It's just a way of showing thatthis is a true extension, that
there's no separation, that Godis actually in our mind and God
being in our mind created us tobe self-aware, that's all.
And in being created self-aware,we all got the perception.

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That's why we're projectingthis world.
We all got the perception thatwe were abandoned, that we were
kicked out of heaven when wewere created self-aware, because
before that we were just onewith God.
Imagine it like this, becausethis is symbolic too, where
everyone who comes into thisworld seems to come through a

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mother's womb.
Yeah, you're one with themother, right, you're one with
the mother when you're in thewomb and then when you're
birthed, it's like you're kickedout and you know a newborn's
baby's kind of like what thefuck, where am I?
They start crying and stuff.
That's symbolic of what it'slike when God created us
self-aware and in being createdself-aware, it's actually a gift

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.
That's actually a gift, right,but we're looking at it as not a
gift and we're learning to seeit differently.
We're learning to see it trulyas a gift.
Okay, kai is saying what is ourmind?
Our mind is perfect love.
Okay, so basically, thefoundation is perfect love and

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that is thought it is.
It is, it's thought, and thefirst manifestation of thought
you could say is vibration,sound.
Okay, so it's like this.
There's this resonant soundwhen God created all of us as

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being self-aware.
It's like this resonant sound.
It's like one song being sung,and it's not the same if any
part of it is missing.
So each one of us beingprojected, projecting ourselves
into this world, is actuallycoming back to our true sound.

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We've actually distorted thesound out of fear.
It's not really distorted,though.
Heaven has not changed one bitby our idea that we're separate.
It's only our perception ofourselves that seems to have
created a change, and that's whyeveryone gets the sense that

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they need to get better, thatthey need to be better, and
that's not true at all.
We're only perceiving ourselvesas being separate or different
in any kind of way, differentfrom the way we were created.
We're only perceiving ourselvesthat way.
It's not a reality.
So all that changes aboutourselves is our perception.

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That's the only thing thatneeds to be changed, and you've
probably heard that before.
It goes through many differentkinds of spiritual teachings.
I've heard it.
The only thing to shift is theperception, and that includes
all perception of all suffering.
I was hanging out with a friendearlier today and we were

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talking about the situation withthe blocks and I told her I
don't think that guy everstarted on the blocks before.
I had someone talk to him inSpanish who was a native Mexican
.
And she goes oh, that makes meso angry.
And I go really, what is itabout that?

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And she goes well, he didn'tmake those blocks for you.
And I go well, you know, when Iwent over there and I
interacted with him, I saw thathe was just such a sweetie and
he was, and it looked like hewas probably going through
something and I, you know, Ifelt compassion for him and and

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I mentioned to her that he's,you know, he's also been served
with a seize and des assistorder to stop making so much
noise, you know.
And so then the anger wasshifted over to the people who
gave the seasoned assist orderand you know, and I go, oh well,
you know, I see them as beinginnocent in the whole thing too,

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and there is just a sense likesomeone needed to be responsible
, right.
And what she was reflecting tome, that in making someone
responsible and having somejustification for anger, that
this is compassion and this tothe ego, this is compassion.
This is true.
Now, I didn't get into thiswith this friend of mine because

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she wanted to stay with thatperception.
So I just said, okay, I go,that's totally blessed.
That's just honoring everyonewherever they are.
It's just allowing them to beas they are and not needing to
change anyone's perception,right.
So then she asked me she's likedo you still like me?

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And I go, of course I do.
You're no different than anyoneelse.
That seems to be in the world.
That's, in my perception, right, giving me to love.
It's like, however you reflectto me, that's perfect for me.
That's giving me to love.
It doesn't mean we have to bein agreement about how things

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are right.
It's like for me being thelight of the world.
It's given me to extend love toanyone and so it's not getting
into argument with anyone like,hey, you're not being loving
enough.
Anyone like, hey, you're notbeing loving enough, hey, you're

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holding on to this perceptionthat someone must be guilty and
you're using that asjustification for feeling angry
and you're making anger as ifit's compassion.
We didn't even get that far.
Once I see a wall of resistancecome up, of resistance come up,
I just go into quiet.
I go into quiet and go.

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Okay, that's blessed.
There's no need to push anyonebeyond what their defenses are
saying.
That's too much.
Everyone is being guided by theHoly Spirit and correction of
anyone's mind doesn't come fromme.

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I'm not here to correctanyone's mind.
That's not how it is.
That's the Holy Spirit'sfunction here, and the Holy
Spirit knows how to gently bringeveryone to the correction of
their mind, which is what theyactually want.
Now, if people want to be infights about stuff, they're
going to find people to fightwith.

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That doesn't need to be you,right.
They don't need to be fightingwith you.
So, just like in letting thosethings pass and not trying to be
anyone's teacher and letting itbe your own lesson For me, I
let it be your own lesson For me.
I let it be my own lesson.
It's like oh, there's my mindreflecting that someone must be

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guilty, right, reflecting thatthis is compassion to make
someone wrong.
Oh, I really don't like that,I'm angry about that.
And I'm right in my anger,because this is how I be
compassionate.
Look at how the anger shiftsfrom one thing to first, that
guy.
Oh, I'm angry because that guydidn't do his job and he's

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screwing you over and I like you.
And then the anger shifts tothose terrible people who are
doing a seasoned assist on him.
He's a Mexican, he should beable to do what he wants in his
own country, and these are abunch of foreigners saying I
want it to be quiet.
So you know, and it's likecompassion sees that everyone is

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honored on whatever they seemto be going through.
And then, you know, my friendeven reflected to me and I
thought it was so blessed thatshe reflected to me, taking it
to another level, to the levelof the people on Gaza.
I don't know too much about this, I don't pay a bunch of
attention to it, and not thatit's right or wrong to pay

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attention to it, it just doesn'tcome into my sphere.
It just doesn't come into mysphere.
There's killing, apparently,and people dying over on Gaza,
okay, so how can we best helpthem?
That's the question.
How can we best help them?
Well, anger is suffering.
So being angry in any way isnot going to be helping them,

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because that's adding to theexact same energy Anger is.
You can say anger is cause,death is the effect.
Okay, sorrow is cause, death isthe effect.
Frustration is cause, death isthe effect.

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These are causes in theillusion, okay.
Truly, the only cause is Godand the effect is you.
Okay, but in an illusion.
This is how cause and effectworks.
So, truly, how we can help themis being willing to recognize
that everyone is actuallyprojecting their dream.
They're all powerful mind, evenlittle babies they're not

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really little babies, they'reall powerful mind and they're
projecting their dream exactlyas they need and everything's
being orchestrated, even if it'swar.
Everything is beingorchestrated exactly as it needs
to be for everyone to learnwhat they need to learn so that
they can change their mind aboutwhat their mind is for.

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When we change our mind aboutwhat our mind is for, we can
only perceive beauty andgentleness in the world.
Now, as long as I'm gettingperceptions, even someone else
telling me that there's war,right.
As long as someone else istelling me that there's war in
my imagination, I know that mymind is not purified.

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This is not a guilty thing forme.
It's like hooray, I know.
Opportunities are arising toundo the cause, basically the
cause of death, to undo this.
Not believing not justbelieving that death is an
inevitable aspect of life.
That's not true.
That may be the perception.

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We seem to be on a trajectorybetween birth and death.
It seems to be the lot ofeveryone who comes here that
they will die at some point intime.
But all that is only given usto see through, and our mind is
so powerful that it will evenshift this illusion to even be a

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deathless illusion before weperceive heaven again.
Really, we're remembering ourtrue nature and our true reality
.
This is a journey ofremembrance.
There's not even really time.
It's just a journey ofremembrance.

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The things in our subconsciousmind are arising just so that we
can bring these things to theHoly Spirit to be undone for us
right.
There's no thing in the world,there's no injustice in the
world that hasn't already beencorrected Already, meaning we're

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just replaying this thing overand over again.
As soon as we dreamed ourselvesto be separate.
God went and played everysingle timeline, every single
possibility, and everythingended in return to sanity.
It's just our refusal to bereleased from the world.

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Once our mind is set to, Iwouldn't keep this world.
I don't want this.
This world has nothing that cansatisfy me in it.
This isn't a suicidal thing.
It's not about hurting yourbody in any way To the ego, it's
like that.
But once there's a decision,there's nothing in this world

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that can satisfy me, and it's awholly sincere decision.
You're not perceiving a worldanymore and there's this idea
that you're going to leavepeople behind.
You're not.
They're not really here either.
It's already been done, it'salready been accomplished.
They're not really here either.
It's already been done, it'salready been accomplished.
There's no suffering.
That's really true.
God already played it all out.

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So when the world is lifted fromyour sight, you actually see
everyone else in their wholenesstoo.
There's no one left in theworld dying.
That's a misperception.
We're all having amisperception.
So that's why, well you know,it says in A Course in Miracles
how many does it take to savethe whole world?

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One it's just you.
Because then you see thatnothing is happening.
None of that stuff is happening.
Creation hasn't beeninterrupted one bit.
Everyone in the whole world isstill with you in creation.
So each one of us is reallyhaving a lonely dream.

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Our minds are totally joined intruth when we think about the
world in any way.
We think about cause and effect.
We think about finances.
We think about cause and effect.
We think about finances.
We think about our bodies.
We think about ourrelationships in a way where
we've given people specialfunction.
We're on a lonely dream.

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That's the part of our mind.
It can't be shared, it can onlybe projected.
That's the part of our mindthat's just projected.
The holy instant is in thatshared part of our mind.
It's in sinking into beneathall of the subconscious energy
that's all about these fears andanxieties and memories of the

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past that didn't happen.
Beneath all of that is astratum of the mind that's just
purely miraculous and that'swhere we join.
That's where we truly join ourminds.
And that's the holy instant,because there's no projection
there.
It's actually joining and it'salways available to us.

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And, of course, in miracles ittalks about.
If miracles aren't happening allthe time in your life,
something's gone wrong.
You've been listening tobasically been listening to the
ego and you've been denying yourtrue nature.
That won't happen foreverBecause of that desire for God.

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The desire for God, the pulltoward it.
It's unavoidable, it'sconstantly drawing us, no matter
how dark our perception is, nomatter how much investment we've
put into, let's say, being agood person.
Right?

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There's this investment intobeing a good person and the way
we believe that we're being agood person is that we're
comparing ourselves to badpeople.
That's not the way to be.
We should be more like this.
We should be helping the needy,okay, for instance.

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Well, when we perceive anyoneas being needy and we believe in
that perception, that's alreadyoff track.
That's not honoring someone,right?
That's believing that we couldbe, let's say, better off than
someone, and the world lovesthat.

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The world loves that kind ofperception.
Like, for instance, you're moreprivileged than certain people,
so you should be doingsomething.
It looks like someone's callingme.
Hold on a second, okay, hold ona second.
Let me see what's happeninghere.
Someone's calling me fromoutside Aloha, oh, are you

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coming to the mic box?
Okay, I'm in the middle of itright now.
Why don't you go ahead?
Yeah, thank you, john.
Okay, yeah, I'm sorry, that'sall good, that's just my friend.

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Yeah, that's all good, that'sjust my friend.
Yeah, that's funny.
Apparently, someone wanted tocome to my talk.
They were outside.
Yeah, everything goes awesome.
Yay, thank you for being here.

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Yeah, come on in, have a seat,august, how fun.
Yeah, have a seat.
Yeah, anywhere, anywhere thatfeels comfortable to you.
Yeah, I saw him walking aroundoutside, but I didn't know he

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was here for this.
So we were just talking abouthow everything always goes
perfect, right, all the bodiesare.
All the bodies are orchestrated, so they're just perfect for
everyone, right, so, uh, sothere seems to be some kind of a
uh, a disruption right now,cause someone was outside and

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they're looking to come in, andthen even my landlord was saying
my name from outside, right,and so then people are
apologizing for it.
So this is just, it's perfect,because it comes up and shows
you.
This is the perfect opportunityto see that everything's being

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orchestrated perfectly, for usto bring all of our illusions to
the truth.
And an illusion is likeanything has gone wrong or it
could go wrong, no matter howmuch it seems like oh, it should
have been like this or itshould have been like this,
that's what it is, that'sexactly what it is, and it's

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through the particulars of ourlives we're constantly given
opportunities.
We may get the sense that youknow we feel guilty.
Maybe I should have done itdifferently, like this that's
always what's giving you theopportunity because, truly, the
peace of God has never beendisturbed and it can never be

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disturbed and since you're anextension of God, your peace of
God, your peace of mind, let'ssay, can never truly be
disturbed, and that's reallylike seeing that is your doorway
back into truth.
That's like it's just givingyou to be back into truth, be

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back into oh, that was amisperception that anything
could have gone wrong at all.
Right, so then you're welcoming.
However, experiences unfold,you know like, for me, I'm
welcoming anything as far as, asyou know, it should have gone

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this way instead of pushing, allpushing.
This is how you can perceive it.
It's a visceral sense.
You can sense it in your body'senergy, actually as a pushing.
It's like pushing awayexperience causes us actually to
get the perception of aging andactually tightening up and our

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bodies being contracted becausewe're pushing away experience
instead of being transparent andletting experience to just come
through.
Right, whatever it seems to be,it could be something that's
really rattling.
Let it rattle, let it rattle inthe body, let it rattle you in

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the body's energy field andbeing open to see it differently
, have a differentinterpretation, so you can come
back to relaxation.
That's the whole thing iscoming back.
It's coming back, okay.
Kalama says is your body stillgoing to stay in a new place at

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the end of August?
Yes, apparently, I have a planeticket and I'm flying away from
this beautiful place Ah, he, heto Sedona, arizona.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, apparently.
That's what's going on.
How can I know?
But it definitely looks likethat.

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There's a plan to pack,apparently.
And Kai says and pulling, okay,so I was just talking about a
pushing, a sense of pushingsomething away.
Good point, kai.
And pulling, and trying to drawsomething in, trying to draw
experiences in too right, it'slike the ego always wants to

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experience more and more andmore and better and better and
better.
The end of all this dreaming islooking.
You know what?
I don't need another experience.
I don't actually need anotherexperience for myself.
Holy Spirit, what would youhave me do?
Where would you have me be?
And you know, the call justbecomes automatic.

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It just becomes really smooth.
I mean, to me it looks likewhere I'm going to be, as far as
location in the world, istotally planned out right now,
until next November, right, allthe way till next November.
But really, how can I know, evenwith a plane ticket, even with
the apparent planning?

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It's not like we're againstplanning.
We're going to try not to planright, but it's just being open
to the flow, however ittranspires.
This could even be in planninga simple day, like I'm going to
go to the bank and then I'mgoing to go to the store and
then I'm going to go out todinner, whatever.
It is still being open tolistening, see what happens is

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we get tunnel vision.
It's like I have to do thesethings today.
I have to get these thingsaccomplished, instead of being
in listening it's okay to have aplan and then also listening to
the Holy Spirit to see ifthat's still the plan in every
instant.
Right, and not being stuck on itFor myself.

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What really revealed this to me?
You know I've always been aperson who felt like I need to
work out right, and starteddoing that when I was 14.
Well, by the time I was in my30s, the Holy Spirit said
basically, it was a sense in mybody's energy field, that that
was done, at least for now,because I had something to learn

(01:05:32):
.
I actually spent four years nothaving any workouts and just
going.
Okay, it's a way of purifyingthis sense like I need to do
something for myself, I need toget something for myself, I need
to get, let's say, a fit bodyfor myself.

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Right, and just allowing thingsto be guided again.
And so you know, through that,it showed me because I would
have thoughts that would come upand say you know, you're too
old to be doing this.
Like, how are you going to comeback from this?
Like, how are you going to getit back, how are you going to
get your mojo back, kind ofthing.

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Right, and noticing thosethoughts.
And what I was doing was I wasbringing those thoughts to the
Holy Spirit.
What is the body for?
But communication?
It's only for communication.
And if the communication, ifthe Holy Spirit's guiding me
toward this right now, thenthat's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to use my body onlyfor communication.

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I'm not going to use it to tryto get something for myself, not
even a fit or healthy body.
That's not my thing.
The Holy Spirit, if I'mlistening to the Holy Spirit.
Here's one thing that I know IfI'm listening to the Holy
Spirit, my body will always seemto be it can't really be
because it's not really here,but it'll seem to be vital

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because of listening to the HolySpirit.
That's what makes it,apparently healthy.
You know, you could spend allthis time trying to adopt the
best diet, and people do thisall the time.
It's so funny to me becauseI've done it.
That's what makes it funny.
You know, because I've actuallydone it, I'm like, okay, I'm
going to figure this out, I'mgoing to do all the research,
I'm going to figure out what isthe best thing to eat and the

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best workout to do so that I canhave the best diet.
So the other way, the other day, I'm cruising around, I find
myself at a vegan restaurantvegan town, it's called such a
sweet restaurant and I go thereand I'm looking at the menu and
there's a man in there and he'sa really large man, apparently
super big, and he goes are youvegan?

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I was like, when I'm in a veganrestaurant, I can be vegan, I
can be anything, you know.
And he goes oh well, I'm vegan.
I was like, oh, that's awesome.
And uh, and he goes.
I'm not sure what the rightdiet is, though, because he goes
.
I know it's probably funny thatI'm telling you I'm vegan.

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I'm like, oh really, why isthat?
And he goes, because I'm so big, and I go.
Well, you know what myexperience has been?
That a lot of people who arebig are vegan.
That's been my experience.
I've seen that a lot.
And he's like, yeah, it'sbecause we eat a lot of carbs

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and I go.
Well, you know, I share withhim.
Oh, you know, your body's reallyonly in your mind.
You're not actually eatinganything.
It's really concepts that foodcan affect your body that's
causing these kinds ofdisruptions.
It's misunderstanding cause andeffect.
It's believing that foodactually affects your body, and
you know that was a belief thatI had, very strong that.

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You know, food does affect yourbody, and if you believe that
food affects your body, thestronger you believe it, the
more you perceive it.
You know, when I was super young, I had the perception that I
had a slow metabolism and that Icouldn't eat stuff that had too
much fat in it, otherwise I wasjust going to be fat, and so

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that was my perception, you know, and I would even share with
people, man, if I didn't watchmy diet and I didn't do these
hard workouts, I would just behuge, right.
So that was my perception andthat was the manifestation that
was taking place.
And at a point it was actuallywhen I was 17, I was in a Costco
, and you know how they havethose free samples in Costco.

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If you know Costco, they haveall those free samples, right.
So I had it on my mind that Ishouldn't be eating too much fat
.
But it occurred to me and thisis the Holy Spirit thought
occurring to me what if?
And this is how it occurs too,it's a what if?
Thought.
What if all of the things thatI enjoyed eating were totally
good for me?

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And there was just a sense like, oh, what if my mind wouldn't
allow me to really go towardthat thought?
For many years there was stillall this working.
But this is what I mean aboutthe draw toward God, the draw

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toward sanity.
That thought stayed there kindof in the back of my mind and
there was always that what if,right?
And so eventually that gainedmore momentum in my mind and it
began to show me and even youknow those years where it seemed
like there were four yearswhere I was guided I didn't know

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how long it was going to lastFour years where I was actually
guided not to work out.
Not only not to work out, but toeat a lot of ice cream, right,
and also to smoke.
And not only to smoke, but tosmoke with posture like this,
just completely bent over likethis, like an old person,
smoking, you know, and gettingthe perception that, oh my gosh,

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you're ruining this body.
But what was being shown to me?
Gosh, you're ruining this body.
But what was being shown to me?
No, you're opening your mind.
Because the whole time, whatI'm doing is bringing thoughts,
ego thoughts, to the truth, tillthere came a certain time where
it's like, okay, it's time forthis to shift, it's time for you
to go into a different mode.
Now the mode is changing.

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It's time for you to go into adifferent mode.
Now the mode is changing andit's not like anything was
permanent.
It seems like you can do somepermanent damage to your body,
but you can't, because your bodyis only a projection To people.
It seems like maybe they hadsome kind of an accident before
and did some permanent damagelike that.

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Or one of my friends is tellingme he got an x-ray and the
cartilage in his joints is wornout.
It's like none of that stuff ispermanent, because your body is
only being projected right nowby the mind.
Your mind's projecting it.
So when you're willing to bringallusions to the truth, even
the projection, as in your body,changes, and it could change

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that.
The only reason the body evenseemed to pass away is because
it was no longer useful to theHoly Spirit for communication,

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the Holy Spirit forcommunication.
Now it could be laid aside in anumber of different ways.
It could be laid aside in avery peaceful way.
Many people think that if deathcomes through old age it has to
come by means of sickness orsome kind of debilitation.
But if you're listening to theHoly Spirit and your mind is
more purified of guilt, it'slaid aside gently.

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It's a gentle laying aside.
There's no need for this thingto ever become diseased.
There's no need for it to everlose vitality.
The loss of vitality is aneffect of honoring guilt instead
of truth.
It's always an effect of that.

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You know, and you've seenexamples before of even masters
who are aware that this isdreaming, totally aware that
this is dreaming right, and theyhave attained a certain level
of peace with this beingdreaming, yet their body seems
to develop cancer or some kindof disease, right.

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And you know, someone asked mewhat's the reason for that, like
, why are they developing thisin the illusion?
And it's because they are stillharboring the belief that their
mind isn't all powerful.
They're harboring the beliefthat these illusions can just
happen to them.
Nothing just happens.

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We are making it, we're makingit up, and the more we believe
in the guilty self concept, themore we're attacking ourselves
physically.
Every attack is physical.
Every self attack is physical,every self-attack is physical.
So it's not a guilty thing thatyou're perceiving yourself with

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any kind of disease.
It's an opportunity.
And dis-ease any kind ofdis-ease that includes any kind
of thing that seems like you gotinto some kind of accident
before, or you had some kind ofsurgery or you had some kind of
trauma before, anything likethat.
That's dis-ease.
So it's willingness to see thatthis sense of dis-ease

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something having happened to youin the past or something that
you did to yourself in the pastis something that you're
projecting now because there'sonly now, and so that's why this
becomes an opportunity.
Okay, so Kalama says I get ittrippy, I have experiences.

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Yes, it could be very trippy.
The holy instance candefinitely be trippy.
A lot of the times it seemslike a psychedelic kind of trip.
Just welcome that.
It only seems psychedelicbecause it's different from your
normal way of looking at things, as in looking at things like
cause and effect are true andthese bodies are really here and

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they really hold some kind ofsubstance.
They're not really here,they're not made of anything,
they are just a projection ofthought, and that's precisely
the reason why they can't beaffected by the past.
They cannot be affected by thepast, even all aging that you're
projecting onto yourself.
You're only projecting it now.
There's no such thing as time,and it's also the reason why it

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can't be affected by food.
Your body cannot be affected byfood because it's being
projected.
It's like thinking of it as ascreen of consciousness, and
your body is one illusion on thescreen of consciousness.
Food is another illusion on thescreen of consciousness.
If you're looking at a moviescreen, it's not like the food
can actually affect the body.

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Now, that doesn't mean thatyou're going to tempt the ego
and go okay, whenever I eatgluten for some people you know
they seem to eat gluten and getsome kind of reaction where they
puff up right.
Every time I eat gluten I seemto get this puffy thing going.
It doesn't mean you shouldtempt the ego and try to eat a
bunch of gluten to try to provethat your body is an illusion,

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because what's going to happenis you're probably going to
prove to yourself in your dreamthat your body is more real.
The ego will just use that toshow that.
Look see, you tried to prove itand it's not really true.
It's like look, just be kind toyourself and being kind to

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yourself, you'll find yourselfnot purposely eating gluten.
But you may find where thingsare orchestrated, where, oh,
maybe there's this gluten insomething and you find out there
was gluten in something and yousee that you have a reaction.
Then all you're going to do isdeny any meaning to that.
You're going to go.

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I see that there's this apparentreaction to eating gluten, but
I know that it can't possibly becoming from the gluten.
It must be coming from my mind.
That's how you demonstrate it.
It's within the seeming effects.
You're recognizing that it'scoming to your mind, from your

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mind, and this is what returnsall power to your mind, which is
all powerful to make theseillusions.
Kai says I think you lose peoplehere.
You know what.
It's possible that I losepeople in a lot of different
areas, and you know I'm open tothat.

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Okay, he says what happened heor she, I'm not sure what
happened to cause and effect.
Cause and effect.
It's in place, it's always thesame.
The root cause is God and theeffect is God's creation, which
is you and I.

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In the illusion there's anillusory cause and effect that's
happening and the base illusorycause and effect is miscreation
and then pain.
That's the root of the illusion.
Miscreation equals pain.

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The cause and effect that wemake real that's not really
doing anything.
Okay, the base cause and effectin the illusion is miscreation,
pain.
But the cause and effect thatwe make real in the illusion is
illusions affecting otherillusions.
So we take it to another degree.

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That makes us keep the illusionreal, hold the illusion out as
if it's true.
Okay, kai also asks what if ourmind is temporary?
Okay, our mind is not temporary.
The ego mind is temporary,which you may be calling our
mind, the ego mind, which is athought system that's set up

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basically to cause sickness,illusions, death.
That is a temporary illusion.
So is the Holy Spirit, alsotemporary.
But what's not temporary is ourself, that God created to be

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self-aware.
It has a starting pointcreation.
We're created to be self-aware,but no end.
That's not temporary.
That's our true mind and ourtrue thoughts are still creating
in creation.
Even while we're having thisperception, there's not even any

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interruption in creation at all, though this is not really
happening.
It's like a wisp.
One of the lessons in A Coursein Miracles, one that we went
over really recently, was onlyan instant does this world
endure, and it doesn't affectcreation at all.
So our creation, our beingcreated self-aware, that's in no

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way temporary.
That's always, always, alwaysand forever going to be, always,
always, always and forevergoing to be.
So it's just this illusion,this temporary illusion, that
we're learning to see past.
The whole thing is learning tosee past so we could see our
true creation once again and seeeach other as we truly are.

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It's to take all of this ideaof this cause and effect in the
world having any kind of controlover us.
So it's going back to God isthe cause.
What's God again, is love.
It's perfect love and we arethe effect.
So our idea of this world is aneffect of believing that we're

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not perfectly loved by God rightnow.
That's what's going on.
There's only God's love.
So that has us looking in theworld for special love.
Isn't there just someone whowill love me?
Isn't there just someone whowill love me the way I am and
show me that I'm perfect, andshow me that I'm good and all of

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that kind of stuff?
Well, we don't really need thatbecause we have God's love.
But when we're looking for thatin the world, it's like we turn
our back towards God's love andfeel very lonely.
But once we're aware thatthere's nothing in this world
that can satisfy us, there's agrieving period.

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That's what I noticed.
There's like a grieving periodover that.
It's like oh, what I thought,what I made this world for to
satisfy me in some way can neverhappen.
It can never happen.
There's no one.
Because I made them up.
I made them to be separate.
I'm looking out at bodies,apparently, and expecting them

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to satisfy me.
Now this switches everythingaround once I'm aware there's
nothing here that can satisfy me.
So now I'm using the world andmy body very differently.
Now I'm using it to embraceeverything.
Now I'm using it to extend thelove of God, to bring peace, not

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to bring correction to anyoneelse's mind, but to allow my
mind to be corrected so I couldsee them truly and embrace them
with the love of God.
And that's what shows me andlets me feel that I'm totally in
grace.
Everyone that I come intointeraction with is always

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helping me, even if it seemslike they're hurting me.
So another question from Kaiwhat if everything is temporary?
It is, everything is temporaryTotally.
Look at, everything that youget a perception of in this
world is passing away, andthat's one thing that you learn

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through Vipassana meditation.
You know, if you ever heard ofVipassana meditation, that's a
retreat where you go for 10 daysand you meditate in silence,
without moving, for 10 hours ofeach of those days and for the
rest of the time when you're notin meditation, you're in
silence, you make no eye contactwith anyone and you look down.

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You make no eye contact withanyone and you look down and the
discourse that they're showingyou through your experience is
everything in this world arisesand then it passes away again,
and so you get to experiencewhat's permanent.
Your awareness is permanent andthe interesting thing about

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this world too, beyond what weperceive.
This goes along with thethought that God is in
everything I see, because God isin my mind, right?
So the permanent aspect ofeverything.
It's made up of particles thatare actually permanent,

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particles that we can't see youdon't see them with the naked
eye, but they're actually madeup of permanent particles.
These particles never die.
They're permanent, they're partof creation and they're not
something that can be defined byour science.
Okay, they're not somethingthat can be defined by our
science, okay, but that's theGod particles that everything is

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actually made of.
We don't see that, we don'tperceive that, but that's the
light.
They are vibrating with perfectlove, just like the base of our
mind is vibrating with perfectlove, just like the base of our
mind is vibrating with perfectlove.
So that's how everything thatwe perceive is actually perfect

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love, no matter what it lookslike, even if it comes to you in
the sense of someone angry orsome kind of war, or some
injured person, a person inpoverty, anything like that.
That's where everything is madeof these particles.

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Everything at the base level iscreated with these particles
that are perfect love, and whenwe vibrate at the same level of
the perfect love, we actuallyhave command, even over all form
.
It's just that our mind, tryingto control it and try to make it

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as our own will, that'sseparate from the will of God we
perceive things in a distortedway.
To perceive anything assomething that's temporary is
actually to perceive it in adistorted way, because none of
the true particles that are partof creation are temporary.

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They're all permanent.
So here we're perceivingimpermanence or we're perceiving
impermanence.
We're perceiving in a distortedway.
We're perceiving impermanence,we're perceiving in a distorted
way.
So a lot of the spiritualitythat's being taught in this
world is teaching us to be okaywith everything being

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impermanent.
That's only one part of theequation, though no one's really
okay with that.
There's a part of the mindthat's pretending a bunch here,
but pretending to be okay withimpermanence.
You're not going to be okaywith impermanence until you're
also aware of the power of yourmind to see past impermanence.

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This is actually up to us tosee the truth, and we're doing
it every time we allow ourselvesto be in the holy instance.
That's where we're bringing ourillusions to the truth.
We're seeing past the apparentcause and effect and letting God
be the cause, love be the causeand us being the effect.

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This takes, recognizing that inan illusion, miscreation or
misinterpretation ormisperception I'm using all
those words to define the samething is the cause of your pain,
is the cause of your apparentbroken body, is the cause of
your tears, of your apparentbroken body?

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Is the cause of your tears,right Anytime you find yourself
crying?
That's miscreation.
That's not to say that you'rebad and you shouldn't be crying.
It's saying that there isanother way of looking at this.
This is an opportunity.
This is a doorway to cominginto this holy instant and

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sharing in the mind of God andsharing in a deeper peace than
you've known before.
For me, every sense of sorrowis an opportunity to come into a
deeper peace than I've knownbefore.
So there's an aspect of myselfthat's like hooray, even if it
seems like it's repetitive, Idon't mind.

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Even if it seems like it'sobsessive, the ego might go.
Look, you're obsessing overthis person, you're obsessing
over this relationship.
But a part of my mind is goinghooray, hooray.
What's the awareness that'sviewing this obsessiveness?
Look back toward the awarenessthat's viewing this

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obsessiveness and seeing it asan opportunity to return to
what's true and also to bring mybrother with me.
Right and look at this thought.
That's saying and look at thisthought that's wishing some kind
of condemnation for a brotherHooray.
It's not a matter of looking atmyself like I'm bad.

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I can't be that way.
This sense that I'm getting,that I want something bad to
happen for another person, is amisperception.
I'm not bad about that.
Likewise, I had a friendexpressing to me yesterday.
He was saying you know, I seeeveryone as the perfect love of

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God.
I see everyone like this way.
I don't want to use theirbodies at all, but you know what
I wish.
And he was brought to tearsabout this.
Right, I wish that other peoplewould see me like this.
So I expressed to him gentlythat you're saying that you
perceive everyone as if they'rethe perfect love of God.

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But what you're showing me rightnow is you don't that you don't
, because you're getting theperception that you want other
people to be different.
See, if you're perceiving them,if you're actually perceiving
them as the perfect love of God,you're also not getting the
perception that you want them toperceive you any different.

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The perception that you wantthem to perceive you any
different.
That's the thing.
So you're getting tripped upright here and you're crying.
You're crying is demonstratingthat you're having a
misperception.
You're making amisinterpretation.
That's totally the ego that'stelling you that you're doing it
right and you're sufferingbecause other people aren't See.
That's telling you that you'redoing it right and you're

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suffering because other peoplearen't See.
That's totally the ego tellingyou that it's wishing that other
people would be more aware.
That's you making thatmisinterpretation.
You're actually projecting themlike that, actually projecting

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them like that.
So we started to engage more andhe was telling me how he wishes
that women didn't want sex fromhim, because he doesn't see
anything like that right.
And so I go okay, well, let'slook at that.
You're seeing the women asbeing somehow attacking you
because they want something thatyou seem to not be able to give
.
But in your not being able togive that, you're telling me

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that you've achieved some kindof high-level awareness where
you lost that, because you'veachieved a high-level awareness,
because you've achieved a highlevel awareness.
Now, if this were true, youwouldn't be feeling victimized
by the women who seem to bedemanding sex from you.
This wouldn't be a thing.
You would see them as whollyinnocent and in the event that

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you were not resonating to that,you were not vibrating to that,
it didn't seem like you wantedto engage in anything sexual.
It would just be so simple tocommunicate with about that.
You know, it's just like, it'sjust, it's just really simple.
It's not as if they'revictimizing you, it's not as if
they're taking something awayfrom you.

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So the sense is and I've heardthis from a couple of different
men, and thank you, thank youcouple of different men and
thank you, thank you, thanks youguys.
I really appreciate youbringing this to my awareness
too so that we can bring it out.
I've heard from a couple of mensaying that they feel victimized
because they don't seem to beable to or want to, or whatever

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it is, give what the women seemto want.
The women seem to want toextract this sexual energy from
them and they don't seem able orwilling to do that.
So when this is seen assomething that's a victim
situation, that's yourprojection You're making it as

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if someone is victimizing youand that's the reason that
you're crying about it.
It's not because the worldhasn't come up to your level of
awareness.
Also, using your body forcommunication means allowing the
Holy Spirit to orchestrate itin whatever way.
There's no right or wrong.
So what I'm noticing is there'sthis sense of superiority by

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these men that are sharing thiswith me, as if they've gone past
sex, you know, because Jesushas talked about in a course in
miracles.
He's not condemning sex, though.
He's saying you got it wrong,you're using it for something
that it's not meant to be for,right.
He's not saying that you'resupposed to be celibate.

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He's never said that, right?
So there's this idea that getshooked onto that.
Okay, I'm a higher level, abetter level, if I don't need to
interact that way anymore.
Right?
And I've shared with you frommy own perspective.
You know, I have seen throughthis idea that I need a partner

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to give me sex.
I've seen through that idea.
That doesn't mean that I'mtaking on some kind of persona
now that says I'm celibate.
It means I'm allowing the HolySpirit to orchestrate it.
However, it needs to beorchestrated, right, I'm just
allowing.
In the moment I'm not taking onsome kind of identity that says
now, I'm this and this meansI'm holier than thou.

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Basically, Anytime, if I takean identity that says I'm holier
than other people, you knowwhat the effect of that is
Crying.
That's the effect.
It's crying because peoplearen't living up to the same
holiness that I made myself outto be right.
So if I'll see them as trulyequal with me, completely equal

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with me, whatever their pathseems to be, if there's any kind
of energy they're offering thatI don't want to interact with,
it's not making me upset.
I'm just saying no thank you.
See, people think no thank youlooks like this no, no, it's
wrong.
Right, but it's like no, no,thank you is also a joyful thing

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.
No, thank you, I'm not feelingthat right now.
I'm not interested in thatright now.
It's just really simple.
It's joyful and it's playful.
It's not like you're wrong forwanting.
How could you want sex from me,don't you know?
That's not evolved right.
It's just like really sweet.
It's like children.
It's like children playing.

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Okay, I love you too, kai.
Thank you so much for joining.
I'm not sure I know who you areand you know I know who you are,
but as far as interacting withyou in the world.
But I have an idea.
So, yeah, reach out to me andlet me know if you feel inspired
to do that.

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So there's nothing wrong withany kind of expression.
There's no expression that'swrong, nothing like that.
So this is, you know, this maybe helpful for you if you accept
the help right now To those ofyou men you may be listening to

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me right now, those of you menwho have expressed to me this
kind of you know, this kind ofdemand, a demand of women on you
to perform.
You know, if you're getting thatkind of perception, you're
projecting it.
That's all Recognizing thatyou're projecting it.

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No one has any kind of controlover you like that.
It's not like that, right, andI've gone through this kind of
thing for myself, not like ademand for sex on me, but in my
relationship with my husbandthere seemed to be a demand for
me to be more responsible, right, just in life in general, just

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to be more responsible, to be ademand for me to be more
responsible, right, just in lifein general, just to be more
responsible, to be moreproductive, to be more of
something right.
It's really the same thing,it's not any different.
It's just a demand for you tobe something right.
So I'd get the sense that I'mdoing it wrong and over time I
started to see I was with thesame person for 30 years, so

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that gave me a good opportunityto see some different things
right.
So after about 20 years of this,it took me a while.
After about 20 years, itoccurred to me oh my goodness,
I'm making him like this, I'mmaking him like this, and then
I'm resenting him, then I'macting rebellious about it
Because it seems like he'sputting this on me, that I'm

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supposed to be more of an adult,basically Supposed to be more
responsible.
I should be working harder, Ishould be more productive, I
shouldn't be laying around asmuch as I do that kind of thing.
So I go oh my goodness, I'mtotally making this up.
So I go, I'm going to play withthis.
This is 20 years in and thenext time he comes around I'm

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going to look at this in a waythat's playful and I'm not going
to be rebellious about it andI'm not going to be feeling bad
about myself.
So he comes up and he goes I'mlaying around.
I'm like you know, I'm justgetting the sense that it's
laying around.
That's the goal for me today.
It's just to lay around all day.

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So my husband comes in and hegoes is that all you got today?
Like you know, it was a senseof is this all I'm going to get
out of you?
Is this all you're going tocontribute today to our
household and everything likethat, and I got the sense of
shame to our household andeverything like that.

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And I got the sense of shame.
You know, I just let it come up, notice what wants to resist it
and let myself be transparentto it.
And I smiled up at him and I goyes, this is all I'm going to
do today.
And then I saw him shift Hiseyes.
Everything changes.
I saw him shift and he goes ohokay, can I get you anything?

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And I'm like, oh my goodness,for 20 years I've been pushing,
I've been pushing at this.
I've been making it as if he'sdemanding on me, as if for me to
be loved in this relationship,I have to perform.
I have to do some kind ofperformance.

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I've been making this up thewhole time.
And as soon as I just was okaywithin myself and I just said,
yes, this is what I'm doingtoday, he said, oh, pretty much.
What can I do to support whatyou want to do today?
And that's where it shifted.

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And and you know, there weremore shifts to take place
because there were some thingsthat were a stronger hold on me,
like the idea that I spent toomuch money.
That was like a stronger hold.
On my mind it wasn't him,there's no him, there's no
person on the outside of us.
So in my mind, I was beingcondemned for spending too much

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money.
I was threatening our safety,my safety, his safety, my
family's safety, by spending toomuch money.
That was the perception.
A little bit longer to work out,not a little bit, you know,
maybe like eight years orsomething like that.
Yeah, so it yeah, and.
But you know what?
In the scheme of things, it'snot that long.

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I mean, we've been playing outthese lifetimes millions of
times and the same ones over andover again until we go okay,
I'm going to take a look at this, right, so it seems long, but
in the scheme of things, it'snot that long, right, so I'm
going along.
I'm going okay.
I know from experience.
You know there's nothing I cando about it, because I've tried

(01:41:10):
throughout to spend less money.
I go okay, I'm going to bereally financially responsible
and I'm going to spend lessmoney so I don't put our family
in danger.
That's basically the sense.
I'm going to put my family indanger because I spend too much
over at Nordstrom on clothes,right?
So I'm going to do better Everytime.

(01:41:32):
I did that.
It would be an effect where I'dfind myself spending more All
of a sudden.
I needed something so bad, Ijust had to.
And you know that's the thingthat it taught me about
illusions.
We don't have any power overthis as far as like how we're
going to interact in the field.
Our power is totally in thecreativity of the mind when it

(01:41:54):
comes to what we're going to doin the field.
That's an effect of our choicebetween love and fear.
So what I was doing waschoosing fear by trying to
control myself at the behaviorlevel.
See, by trying to controlmyself at the behavior level, I
was getting the perception thatI was in fact putting myself and

(01:42:15):
my family in danger and I wastotally out of control.
I had an addiction to spending.
That was the perspective.
It was like I had thisaddiction to spending and it was
totally out of control.
And the more I tried to controlit, the more it seemed to be
out of control.
So at some point I go okay, Igot to stop trying to work at

(01:42:35):
this on the level of effect.
And that's for any kind ofaddiction.
You guys, if you have addictionto heroin, addiction to eating,
addiction to sex, addiction towhat else?
Drinking?
That's another thing.
Alcoholic that I see.
None of these addictions areactually true.
The addiction is actuallythinking against yourself.

(01:42:56):
The addiction is actually to afearful thought.
Look at the alcoholic the moreyou try to control the
alcoholism, the more you seem todrink.
You guys get into theseself-help programs where you do
these 12 step things and youknow what, for temporary, you're
controlling the outcome.
Now look what happens with theseguys too.
What do they start doing?

(01:43:16):
They start smoking a bunch ofcigarettes and drinking a bunch
of coffee.
They just shift it to somethingright.
They just shift it to anotheraddiction, because the addiction
is actually in the mind, it'smental.
So I go okay, I'm just going tolet the spending just be what
it is and I'm going to chooselove.
I'm going to just keep onchoosing love.
And that's how it actually gotshown.

(01:43:39):
Okay, my husband would come upto me and he'd go you have.
At one point he goes you haveruined my whole life, you have
ruined everything.
He thought we had more moneythan we did and apparently it
was my spending that made it, sothat we didn't have as much
money and my money managementmade it, so we didn't have as

(01:43:59):
much money, and then the lavacame and ran over our house and
we didn't have insurance either.
So he's going you havecompletely ruined my life, right
?
And like I'm the worst person,he's coming up to me like that.
So at this point, I'm reallywell-practiced at this, you know

(01:44:20):
.
So I'm going okay, this is mybrother.
He's coming to me with somesuffering and I'm letting my
whole body be transparent.
So I'm feeling this energy, I'mfeeling this and I'm saying
thank you, thank you forbringing this to my attention,
right.
Thank you so much.
Is there anything else that youwant to share with me right now
?
Is there anything else that youwant to share with me right now

(01:44:45):
?
And you know, I just felt itnot as myself being guilty, not
as myself actually threateninganything that was real, but as
my mind, the fierce choice thatI'd been making.
Now it's manifesting like this,as someone basically accusing
me again of threatening ourlives, threatening our whole
lives, right?
So I'm understanding what'sgoing on and I'm processing it

(01:45:10):
within my body's energy field ina sense of gratitude for my
brother for bringing this to myattention.
So, you know, I let him know, Igo.
Okay, I'm going to leave for alittle while to give you some
space to be with this, right.
So I left for a little while andthen I came back several hours

(01:45:32):
later and I was ready to gospend the night somewhere else
if it still seemed like I was athreat, right.
And when I returned he was likeI never want to be like that
with you.
I love you so much.
You are the most precious thing.
I would go to bankruptcy withyou, no problem, just to be

(01:45:54):
staying with you.
I don't know what came over mein that moment, moment.
And so then that's when Irealized, oh, okay, well, okay,
awesome, well, we're stillhanging out.
Then, right, or still hangingout?
If you're not seeing me as athreat, then we're still hanging
out for the time being, youknow.
So a couple years go by and hecomes up to me and he tells me

(01:46:18):
hope, I really need you to spendless money.
And I, I looked at him and I gohoney, you know I don't have a
choice in it, right, and he said, yes, I do.
And there was a sense of justrelief you know, from his
perspective it's relief andknowing that nothing can be
threatened.
Nothing that I do isthreatening anything, whatever I

(01:46:41):
seem to be doing.
Whatever I seem to be spendingis actually coming from his mind
, from his perspective.
In his perspective, it'sactually coming from his mind.
That doesn't mean he's requiredor obligated to stay with me.
You know.
He can move on when his mind isready for moving on.

(01:47:04):
We really have no choice in thefield, in what we seem to do,
though, or who we seem to bewith, because it's being
orchestrated.
The choice we have is betweenlove and fear, so this, you know
, in my mind isn't just givingme license to just be like oh
yeah, I'm just going to fuckingbuy whatever I want, anything
like that.
It's actually making it so thatI'm able to listen more and

(01:47:29):
more and more.
Holy Spirit, what is the mostbeneficial that I spend my money
on right?
Putting it on myself to try todevelop a budget Not saying
develop a budget is bad, oranything, but putting it on
myself to try to make it looklike, in the field of effects,
that I'm not threateningeveryone.

(01:47:51):
So to see myself asnon-threatening is what's going
to change how the effects playout, and then the money spending
seems to go to more of abalance.
That's how it works.
So that was the teaching that Iwas getting to see myself not

(01:48:12):
as a threat, to see myself asperfectly innocent, and that's
what all these lessons are beingused for.
Okay, I'm wrapping up reallysoon, but I see one question
here.
I saw this with my son, likeyou, with your husband.
I told you my makeup.

(01:48:33):
Okay, I'm not sure where you'recoming from on that, but, yeah,
you might see in your childthat they're threatening you
somehow and this is how to haveit reinterpreted.
Notice that it's all comingfrom your own mind and so, since
it's coming from your own mind,you have all power in that to

(01:48:55):
see it differently.
Ask the Holy Spirit to help yousee it differently and you'll
see over time that all of yourinteractions and all of your
relationships will come intoharmony and everything will be
so beautiful.
Thank you everyone for joining.
Thank you to everyone online.
I appreciate you.
I see you on Substack.

(01:49:16):
I see you on Zoom.
Thank you for the people in theroom today.
I love you so much.
I'm taking a two-week break.
However, I will be back onWednesday for it.
A course in miracles, deep dive.
That's quite a different format.
If you haven't joined me forone of those, join me this
coming Wednesday.
They are super juicy.

(01:49:36):
I'll be here at the same time.
That's 11 am Hawaii pm.
Mexico time.
I don't know if that's mountainor central or whatever, and
that'll be Wednesday.
After that there's going to be atwo-week break.
I'm traveling to Sedona.
I'm going to hang out with myfriend Thomas there, who's

(01:49:57):
hosting me.
I'm going to hang out with himand give him two weeks to do
whatever he wants with me showme all around, maybe take me
camping, who knows?
And then after that I'll beback online.
I don't know what time it'sgoing to be.
It's going to be, however.
It fits in with the schedulewhile I'm there and I look
forward to connecting with youagain.
In the meantime, you can go tohopejohnsonorg.

(01:50:19):
You can find me on Substack,hope Johnson Wisdom on Substack.
Telegram Awakening with Hope.
Instagram.
Awesome Hope Johnson.
Where else?
Hopejohnsonorg again is thewebsite.
That's where you'll findeverything I'm doing ACIM, daily
lessons.
There.
You can find all that stuff forfree.

(01:50:42):
Most of what I do is for free.
I have some paid stuff onSubstack.
If you want a free, paidsubscription to Substack and you
hear me talking here just tellme you want a free, lifetime
paid subscription to Substack.
I'll give it to you.
You just have to give me youremail address.
Also, I accept donations via mywebsite, hopejohnsonorg.

(01:51:04):
It's very easy to donate there.
This is 100% funded off ofdonations.
I don't have a regular jobanymore.
I gave up regular jobs so thatI could just share with you guys
.
I write for Substacks.
I also offer one-to-ones via mywebsite.
I start with 15-minuteincrements.
You can go all the way up tohours if you want.

(01:51:25):
You can even hire me to comeand be a live-in spiritual guide
for you if you like.
So, hopejohnsonorg, for allthat free and paid stuff.
Let me see I got your commentshere.
Yes, caitlin.
Oh wow, I love you too.
Thank you, jay Glenn.

(01:51:47):
Thank Caitlin.
Oh wow, I love you too.
Thank you, jay Glenn.
Thank you, oh yeah, see youWednesday for the juice.
That's right.
Aloha, durga.
Thank you, thank you.
Gracias, alexia.
See you in Sedona.
Yeah, If you want to see me inSedona, come over to Sedona.
Yay, I love you.
Until next time.
Mahalo, aloha and a hooey ho.
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