August 30, 2024 • 64 mins
Imagine facing a stage four cancer diagnosis and finding a path to healing that defies conventional wisdom. Join me as I sit down with my dear friend Kim Waggoner, a registered nurse and health coach, who has bravely navigated this journey. Kim shares how her unwavering faith and holistic approach to wellness transformed her life. Her story is one of resilience, hope, and the power of embracing a multifaceted and grace based approach to health.
You'll also hear about Kim’s transformative shift from traditional nursing to a holistic health perspective, inspired by her experience and an influential oncology dietician named Wanda. Together, they explored the profound impacts of nutrition, supplements, and spirituality on health, fundamentally changing Kim's approach to wellness. This journey has inspired her to carry forward a legacy of holistic living in her community and beyond, sharing these empowering practices with the world.
For those seeking practical steps to holistic health, Kim offers invaluable advice on how small, consistent changes can lead to significant health improvements. From celebrating small victories to overcoming shame, Kim sheds light on sustainable practices that foster long-term wellness. Tune in for an episode rich with inspiration, practical guidance, and heartfelt testimonies.
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast.
I'm your host, kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
I help and empower wildheartedand adventurous women of faith
feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and potential
, break free from limitationsand thrive with confidence,
courage and hope.
If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
newwingscoachingnet and be sureto explore the show notes for
(00:38):
ways to connect with me further.
Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlockhope together.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me welcome myfriend, kim Wagoner, to the show
.
I am so excited for her to behere.
I feel like it's been a longtime coming and we just happen
to have an open time today and Ijust feel like God is all over
this conversation.
(01:09):
I'm so excited for her to sharewhere she is in her life right
now, what she's doing and howshe can actually help many of
you.
So, kim, if you could share alittle bit about yourself and
we'll kind of get into the restof the show.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Sure, thank you, kristen.
Well, like you said, my name isKim Wagner.
I just turned the big, fabulousfive zero.
This year.
My family had an awesome partyfor me, so that was really cool.
They were all dressed up when Igot there as the past versions
(01:48):
of me so pregnant Kim and ERnurse Kim and all the things.
But anyway, so I obviously ammarried.
I have you ready for this.
I have two children that Ibirthed, I have three
stepchildren and I have onebonus child.
(02:08):
So lots of lots of children inmy life as well as I'm a Mimi
now to three, with one on theway.
So ages four, three, one and,like I said, a new baby coming
here in a few months.
One and, like I said, a newbaby coming here in a few months
.
Um, I, my profession is I'm aregistered nurse and I've been
(02:29):
an RN for about 28 years, um,but in 2010, I was blessed with
a stage four cancer diagnosisand that took my life, obviously
, in a little bit of a shift.
We may get into that a littlebit more, but anyway, just to
(02:58):
let you know, that's where apivot or a shift happened in my
life for my own, uh, because Iknew I was already starting to
feel, uh, in that time I was anER nurse.
At the time I was alreadystarting to feel frustrated.
Um, you know, we would see thesame people come in with the
(03:20):
same problems over and over andover, the same problems, over
and over and over, and I beganto ask myself, like, why are we
not helping people get well?
And so, again, after thiscancer diagnosis, I had three
years to go through my ownhealing journey.
I asked a lot of questions.
(03:40):
I began to discover how could Ihave gotten cancer?
I have no family history.
I was a healthy weight, I wasactive.
You would have looked at me andnever known it.
But again, there's a lothappening on the inside that we
can't see right.
And so this is really where,honestly, it was.
(04:05):
The pivot happened for me theday that I was diagnosed,
because I came home in a lot offear, of course, at first, and a
lot of things to my memory ofthe times in my life when he was
present and was faithful, andat that time he reminded me of
(04:33):
one of my favorite Bible stories, which is the story of Joseph,
and basically, I think is itGenesis 50, 20, maybe.
Um, that says, what was meantfor evil, god meant for good,
and so I knew at that point thatI had a calling on my life to
not keep the things that I wasgoing to learn, um, because I
(04:55):
was on a mission.
Right then, you know, like Iwas, like I want to heal, I want
to live, I want to choose life,um, I have kids that I want to
see graduate and get married,and you know I was praying.
That was part of the story forme, and so, you know, over the
years God has given me more intune to what his mission is in
(05:19):
what I'm doing, and it has justa little bit to do with physical
health, but a lot of emotionaland spiritual as well, which I
think is why you and I connectvery well.
But yeah, I launched a coachingbusiness and that is what I do.
That was kind of a long way toget to what I do and who I am,
but I have a health coachingpractice on my own for probably
(05:40):
the past six, seven, eight yearsround in there, I do that from
home most of the time, remotelymeeting with clients, and then,
like I said, my priority isbeing a daughter of God, being a
wife to my husband, eric, beinga mama to my children and a
(06:02):
Mimi, and then a mama to mychildren and a Mimi, and then um
.
You know that's like my firstmission um ground, and then the
rest would be the clients thatGod brings into my path and um
live in a little organic farmhere at which you have had the
pleasure to come visit.
Um a little gift from God.
(06:24):
We live in a little organicfarm and grow most of um, you
know, our food and raisechickens and all the fun things
here in Indiana.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
So that's that's a little bit about me.
Thank you for sharing.
I want to just kind of capturesomething you said, and it was
that you were blessed to have adiagnosis of cancer.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I would say probably 99% or maybe 99.9% of people
would probably not say that.
Yeah, how can you say that?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
can you say that?
Um?
Well, it's funny because I dosee a lot of people who we don't
say uh, four letter.
Well, I do have some fourletter F words that are good,
but you know there are.
There is a trend out there offour letter word cancer, right,
um?
And while it is a devastatingdiagnosis, you know, two weeks
(07:27):
after I was diagnosed with thatdisease or cancer diagnosis, my
stepfather was diagnosed withesophageal cancer and his
outcome was different.
We were both diagnosed in Marchof 2010 and he passed away in
um December of that same year,uh, after a pretty brutal battle
(07:52):
, um, with esophageal cancerthat metastasized.
But even in that, it was ablessing because I got to care
for him, um, and I got to havesome really good conversations,
um, about, um, yeah, hisspiritual life and um, did he
feel that he know Jesus and anddid he feel confident to where
(08:16):
he was going to be going and um,so, anyway, the reason why it's
a blessing for me is because Iknow I have a savior and I know
that I have eternity.
Like, I know that this placeisn't my home.
So, um, there's no fear indeath, um, and I know, you know
(08:39):
what I mean.
Like that.
That is my security, that'swhere my true hope is found.
I mean, like that, that is mysecurity, that's where my true
hope is found, and so theblessing of it is is that, oh
man, like I was, um, I wasdigging in you know what I mean
Like to scripture and God's word, and you know so that personal
relationship or that personalencounter with Jesus was deeper
(09:03):
and stronger and morefoundational.
And yet I was also able Ishared my journey on like a
caring bridge and like Facebook,and so I was able to just have
it be a light and be aninfluence.
And I don't know what thatreach looked like, um, but it
was a gift to me to be able toshare what I was learning from
the Lord.
(09:25):
And then also, yet, there wasstill these practical things
that I was learning right, likehow, you know, my husband did
this search after, you know, Iwas diagnosed, and he's like,
wow, I just learned I know thisis going to sound crazy and
maybe it won't to everybody hewas like, wow, the roundup that
(09:48):
I'm putting on our garden foodscould have caused, or could be
like they can cause, lymphoma.
And he's like, no more, no moreon our property, we will not
have any chemicals on our land.
We will, and we looked for ways.
Obviously, then I mean again,you would think, as a nurse, I
(10:11):
would know these things, right?
No, this was not education thatI received as a nurse or
anything that I did, as you know, even in my practice, right, it
honestly wasn't even told to meas I went through, you know,
(10:36):
working with an oncologist, andyada, yada, yada.
These are all the things that Ifound out for myself.
So I hope I'm answering yourquestion.
The blessing was is that Godworks all things for our good,
and I believed that I knew whereI was going, I knew what
eternity looked like for me, andthis place was not my home.
And yet I knew that everythinghappens, you know, for a reason,
in the sense of that it canhave pain and and struggle, and
(11:00):
whatever can produce a lot, alot of good, and so that's the
hope and that's the truth that Iwas standing on.
And so when I look back, I think, man, you know, I'm leaving a
completely different legacy formy, my family, in my spiritual
life and my physical life andthe things that I'm now teaching
(11:23):
my grandkids, you know, in thekitchen and on the farm and then
our community and people beyond.
You know my local area becauseof the internet, right, like
what a blessing to be able toshare from my experience.
And yet also, ultimately, Ibring glory to God and I
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highlight him because if itwasn't for him, there wouldn't
be me, right and the and youknow.
So that's why it's a blessing,it's, it's.
Was there some hard times?
Was there some scary times?
Yeah, but again, because I havethe worldview that I have,
which is a biblical worldview,and because I have the worldview
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that I have, which is abiblical worldview.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
um, nothing is lost, in the sense, like it's, it's
all good.
Well, I hope listeners, I hopeyou caught that, um, because we
can.
It was like for you, you know,looking back, so you were still
in the ER working at that timetoo, were you?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, I was working until, um, I mean as soon as I I
did do some conventionaltreatments Cause, of course, at
the time I didn't know anydifferent Um and um, so I was
unable to work.
I because of the environmentthat I would have been in and
(12:48):
the effect on the immune system,you know, potential weakening,
et cetera, et cetera.
So, yeah, no, I was alsoblessed just to be able to stay
home for three years and gothrough that healing journey.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah, so we both share a mutual love for holistic
healing, all the things.
The holistics like whole W, h,o, l E natural means of healing
all of those beautiful thingsthat God has given us.
Was it around that time thatyou had kind of an eye-opening
(13:26):
experience Like when was that?
When was that moment for youreally started kind of taking a
different path off, like theconventional, being a nurse,
being in the, you know, I liketo say the belly of the whale,
like you're literally there,you're in it.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Like what's actually happening on the inside, Like
when did you have that likepivot point moment?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Um, I would say, within a couple of weeks of
being diagnosed, um, a couplefrom one, two different ways.
One was what I had alreadymentioned.
Was my husband doing some deepdiving, like starting to look at
research, which is reallyinteresting?
We live about an hour and ahalf from Purdue university,
which is a big agricultural, andit was actually an article that
(14:14):
he found from Purdue thattalked about some research they
had done and the effects of youknow, like glyphosate, different
different agriculturalchemicals, um, and how they were
, um, you know, affecting or oryou know I'm not sure that what
the right word I want to useright now is but um, with
(14:36):
lymphoma cases, and so that kindof opened his night, his eyes.
But that probably came a littlebit later.
Actually, the first thing againwas another God came a little
bit later.
Actually, the first thing againwas another God thing.
So as part of oncology you wereto meet with the oncology
dietician and that dietician weknew each other because I worked
(14:57):
at the hospital, right, so Iknew of her.
I didn't know her well, I justalways heard about her Wanda was
her name and she reached out tome and said could I?
Actually we only live twoblocks from each other.
And so the town that thehospital was in was like 15
(15:18):
minutes away from where I lived.
It was a larger.
So it's Warsaw, like it's alarger area.
It was a larger, so it's Warsaw, like it's a larger area.
And then my little town had 600people in it.
Okay, so at the time I lived intown and we lived two blocks
from each other and didn't knowit.
And so she's like do you mindif I come to your home and do
(15:39):
your dietary consult?
She said I would like to speakfreely with you.
And I said, yeah, absolutely.
And so she came over and sheprobably did.
You know, like what she wassupposed to do?
Right, like she.
So she was a woman who I saywas because she has passed away
(16:01):
since.
But she began to open my eyesbecause she started to ask me a
lot of questions what are youeating?
What kind of supplements areyou taking?
What are you putting on yourskin?
What kind of cleaners are youusing?
What is in your air?
What are you?
(16:23):
What thoughts?
Okay, here we go.
What thoughts?
Because I don't know if you'vecaught, if anybody's listened so
far yet and picked up, becauseI haven't corrected myself.
Yet Sometimes in the beginningor in the beginning, when I had
a cancer diagnosis, I used tosay my cancer diagnosis or my
(16:46):
lymphoma diagnosis, and shewould quickly correct me.
She said it is not yourdiagnosis, it is a diagnosis of
a collection of different things, that that someone has said to
you and your words that youspeak over yourself almost like
(17:12):
accidentally, coach me, right.
So so I there was a connection,a spirit connection that
happened that day because shealso was a believer, is a
believer, um, and so she wasalso a professor, a professor at
a local, a nutrition professorat a local um college, and she
(17:34):
would also go out and do manydifferent talks and again, this
is, you know, 14, 15 years ago.
And then she wascounter-cultural, okay, so she
was talking about whole foodnutrition, um, proper
supplementation, using them assupplements, not as first line
(17:55):
defense, talking about chemicalson your skin, you know, like
all the things.
So I, I literally became herlittle like.
She was like my little mentorand I just began to follow her
to different places and andglean and learn and soak in and
take notes and keep copies, andjust you know what I'm saying
(18:17):
Like and what she ended upbecoming as well.
Was um, a a spiritual mother tome in a sense?
Like all the other stuff waslike, eh, thank you, okay, good,
I learned how to eat, but butthis was just so rich, um,
because she, she began to, um,yeah, just really get me very
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holistic approach, and again, I,I just believe it's because God
ordained that like for us, andso in a sense, it's really cool
because I've, unfortunately,like I said, she, she did move
away and then she did pass away,um, and I was just able to kind
of like pick up the torch, in asense, Um, and she just was a
(19:02):
huge inspiration to me.
Like I'm going to cry, um, andI, yeah, she just she left a
really amazing legacy, uh, thatI, even not being her own
daughter or being a part of herfamily, just the impact that she
had, and so it, um, you know,fuels what I want to do when I
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think about leaving a legacy.
I don't want to just want tolive a legacy, I want to.
I don't want to leave a legacy,I want to live the legacy, um,
and pass it down now, not notafter I leave, and that is
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something that I think shereally modeled well for me.
And so that's really where myeyes were opened.
Um, and I began to just start to, and it was just like you know,
it's like when you buy a newcar and you see the new car
everywhere.
Now it's kind of like again, um, it's not accidental, it's not
coincidental, it's, you know, mehaving the eyes to be open, you
know, to see what opportunitiesand what things God's putting
in front of me.
So that is just.
(20:04):
Again.
I was hungry, not in adesperate sort of way, but I was
hungry to know again.
Remember, kristen, I'm in thismedical model over here my whole
life.
Right that?
So real quick, I want to say.
I went back to, after threeyears of healing, I did go back
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to an OBGYN office amazingpeople, amazing doctors, amazing
office but what I found waswomen crying out for help and
they were given prescriptions orkind of like.
Ah well, this is just how it'sgoing to be.
And, um, because there was nolifestyle medicine, there was no
um, and I was just feelingreally frustrated and I no
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longer aligned with that system.
And I knew I just didn't feelgood inside and I knew that I
had to just take the leap offaith and that God was calling
me out into freedom to be ableto speak to people, speak the
truth to people, right?
Like I'm not just going to say,take this prescription because
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of X, y or Z and I'm not alwaysagainst medication and stuff
like that but it's like if wearen't looking at the
foundations for a healthylifestyle, if we're not looking
at those foundations and whenI'm talking about foundations,
I'm not just talking about whatfood are we eating, I'm talking
about, like I said, the wordsthat we're speaking over ourself
, our mindset.
(21:33):
You know, how is our spiritualhealth?
Have we addressed any trauma inour lives?
Like, if we're not looking atthe big picture, we're we're
totally doing a disservice toour clients, you know, or our
patients.
When I was working in and Ithink that's what women are
hungry for, I think they are,they're hungry and they're, you
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know, I mean at some points,desperate right To just not feel
the way that they feel.
Um, and they know that there'smore out there, um, and I love
this holistic approach, thismore natural approach, because
it, if someone's trying to, youknow, decrease their hemoglobin
A1C and they're working with meand we're working on that we're
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also lowering their risk forheart disease and stroke and
they're getting in touch withnature and they're hearing from
God and they're improving familyrelationships and they're
finding they have more joy intheir life.
Like you, don't get that from aprescription.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
No, not, not one bit.
There's a lot of side effects.
What you just said are not sideeffects.
They're good they're actually.
What would you call thoseAbundance?
Yes, abundance.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yes, abundant effects .
Yep, abundant effects.
I just went to um, I just wentto a uh, five day training, uh,
it's called school lunch out inCalifornia.
Um, so very ancestral type ofcooking, living movement, et
cetera, and we kept calling thesourdough discard and they go.
We don't like that word, so werenamed it sourdough abundance.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, you know me, I love like flipping the script,
Just like, even as we're talking, like literally flipping the
script, because that's whattypically, you know I like you,
my eyes were opened years ago,you know you.
Just, you just trust the system.
You trust doctors, because Iwasn't trained as a doctor, I
was not trained, I was startingto go to school to be a nurse,
(23:42):
so I had some knowledge and II'm fascinated by health and
wellness.
I'm fascinated, I've alwaysbeen fascinated by it.
But when you start gettingthese diagnosis and you don't
know other than what somebody'stelling you you need a
prescription.
You know you just, even withkids like you as a new mama,
(24:02):
that I don't know about you, butI had moments where they're
like you need to do this andit's like you just don't
question it.
And I think what you and I loveto do is to help people like
wake up, and a lot of that isthrough asking questions.
Yeah, you and I like we don't,I don't want to like tell people
what to do I have Don't get mewrong but in the end, like when
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we each, each of us have to haveour own revelations and
awakening moments.
So I would love for you to share, share, like just in your
journey over the last you knowyears, a testimony, if you'd be
open to sharing, of somebodythat you've worked with and how
they've gone through thisjourney with you, and and, and
their awakening.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, I mean I just have one one.
Actually, where I'm going tostart, if it's OK, is I did have
(25:15):
a someone who would have beenearly on, you know doing uh, you
know following some of thethings that I said, and then you
know how you just kind of like,follow somebody and get little
nuggets.
Well, she was one of thoselittle nuggets gals and, um, she
called me out of the blue oneday, um, just to honestly
celebrate with me because she'slike and I'm sorry, I do not
(25:36):
remember the actual um, I don'tremember the exact numbers on
her, but, um, she said Kim, andlike my hemoglobin A1C.
Just by following some of thethings that you said, my
hemoglobin A1C, I'm throwingsome of the things that you said
(25:56):
my hemoglobin A1C, I'm throwingout a number.
I do have it somewhere.
Um, because it was.
I actually did like a littlevideo testimony on it.
Um, let's say it was like 10 andit's down to like seven.
Okay, um, and so I.
She just was giddy.
I was celebrating with her.
I got off the phone with herand I began to sob because the
(26:18):
Lord implanted this verse on meright after I got done speaking
with her, and it's John 10, 10.
I know a lot of people mightknow this, but it became really
fresh for me.
The thief comes only to stealand kill and destroy.
I have come so that they mayhave life and may have it
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abundantly.
And what he really imprinted inme on that day was that we're
literally in a war.
Okay, so, whatever her story is,whatever her background is,
whatever, from infant to beyond,right, like, did she have hurts
(27:08):
?
Did she have traumas?
Did she have?
What did the enemy try to do tosteal her life?
Right, like, what did he try todo?
So, whether that shows up forher in some kind of you know
thing that led her to use foodas comfort, right?
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Or to have a different thoughtprocess about herself, about her
worth or about her value thatcaused her to have shame or
guilt about her body, or youknow whatever.
You know, all those littlethings, I think, are the enemy
coming to steal and to kill anddestroy.
(27:51):
And so this led her along herpath, because she had not
received, maybe, healing in someof those areas um, to a type
two diabetes, you know diagnosis, and so when I feel like I am
teaching people, these are likeit's like weapons of war, right.
(28:12):
It's like how can I fuel myselfdifferent?
How can I, you know, in a waythat is sustainable, that's not
like punishing myself orrestrictive, that's free and
that's about flourishing andbrings joy.
And you know how can I do that?
(28:32):
Because I am counteracting,like I am on the offense and the
defense when it comes to whatthe enemy is trying to steal.
So I look back at my life and Iwill get to your question.
When I look at my life, I lookat some childhood trauma,
starting at age six, all right.
Then you know age eight, then areally rough I won't get into
(28:58):
that but first marriage, andthen you know a cancer diagnosis
and then you know losing my dadand you know all these
different things that theenemy's like I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm
out to get her Right, like as achild of God, like he knew the
assignment on my life, and he'slike I'm coming after her right
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and so I fight back, withobviously being a coach, but I
help others fight back.
That's really like.
The picture that God gave me isthat we have a birthright and
we, you know, for health and forhealing and for wholeness.
And I'm not just talking aboutour physical bodies, like that's
part of it, because, because weare mind, body, spirit, right,
it's the whole thing.
(29:39):
So I wanted to just kind ofpreface that that that is what.
When I show up to work, that iswhat I believe that I'm doing, I
have a prophetic art on my wallthat God gave me a vision.
I have a prophetic art on mywall that God gave me a vision
that he is on a mission.
Okay, he's on the mission, I'malong for the ride.
Like he is on a mission andthis is the vision statement for
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my business to restore identity, hope and help to the daughters
of God through a grace basedapproach to wellness.
And I could totally unpack thatLike.
It'll take me hours, but I havea prophetic art on my wall and
it's me.
It's a picture of me.
Like it doesn't really looklike me, but it's.
(30:23):
It's the vision that God gaveme of this princess.
She has a crown on her head,she is dressed in warrior
clothes and I am riding on theback of a lion, a lion of Judah,
and you know, I see that andit's like I'm kind of at war,
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but I'm really like I'm writingon his back and I have a relaxed
face and I am confident and Iam secure that I'm like ushering
in, like you know what I meanLike whatever he wants to do in
somebody's life.
Um, so, backstory just wantedto give a little bit more
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context to what I really feellike what I'm doing when I work
with clients.
Um and so, yes, I met with thislovely lady.
I only actually met with herfor eight weeks.
We had a little bit of alanguage barrier.
It was awesome, though, and Iabsolutely loved her.
She was in her sixties and whatdid I teach her how to do?
She came to me also withdiabetes, type two.
(31:28):
So type two diabetes, if peopledon't know, is a lifestyle
disease, okay, which is, by theway, reversible, preventable
number one and also reversiblewith diet and lifestyle changes.
So I was teaching her how tobuild a healthy plate to
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basically control, help her towithin her.
You know what she could do withher plate to balance her blood
sugars and then also some bloodsugar hacks and different things
like that, um, and so we workedon that together for eight
weeks and in just a period of 90days because it is a 90 day
difference that you, um, do ahemoglobin A1C, her hemoglobin
(32:15):
A1C had dropped two points.
I believe the statistic with themedication and I know I'm going
to mess this up, so just I'mputting that out there.
I don't remember the at thetime when I quoted the statistic
, I knew it for the first time,but I want to say, like, the
oral medications that people goon is like, let's say, 0.2 of a
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difference in a hemoglobin A1Cin 90 days.
So that was her makinglifestyle changes.
So again, that's just you knowa little bit of data.
Like I like to get some data,it's helpful.
But what I hear so many timesfrom women is I came to you
because I wanted to lose weightand I had no idea what I was up
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for, like how much more I havegained.
Because, again, I take thatholistic approach.
So people will come and say,yeah, no, my stress is fine, and
then we actually get into itand we get into mindsets and
beliefs and things that they'rethinking and again, you know you
coined the phrase flip thescript.
(33:19):
So we begin to renew theirminds where they used to think
about shame, as the you know,they didn't realize how they
were basically bullyingthemselves and putting so much
shame and guilt on themselves.
When I just ask them, likelet's be curious, instead, let's
just be curious, let's listen,let's confess in a sense, you
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know, like, well, these arethings that I'm thinking and
that I'm feeling, and then let'sask, you know, let's just be
curious around that.
So hopefully that kind ofanswered your question just a
little bit.
Um, like I said, that's somedata, like some concrete.
(34:03):
Several people their cholesterollevels have gone down again,
that's another topic, but thingsthat were maybe a little bit
more triglycerides, um, I have alittle bit of a different
opinion maybe than mainstream oncholesterol, but let's just say
, um, what's that?
Just maybe, yeah, maybe, um,yeah, um, you know about that
what's that?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
go there with that.
I feel like it's maybe you wantto go there.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Go there a little bit um, yeah, basically, we need
cholesterol.
Everybody thinks thatcholesterol is the problem.
When, um, I mean, it's reallynot the problem.
I mean, I think, uh,inflammation is more of the
problem with, you know thethoughts that we think the
chemicals that we put in ourfoods, we're we're eating a ton
of processed foods.
I mean, I, I kind of understandit, as you know, if you think
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about, like, inflammation inyour body and your cholesterol
being a fire hose trying to putthings out.
You know it's trying to fix theproblem.
Um, and so, yeah, I encourage,um, people to look at are they
being sedentary?
You know, what kind ofchemicals do they have?
I mean, could these things bemore contributory towards,
(35:13):
towards, you know, the lifestyleissues or the risk factors that
they're having versuscholesterol, because we need
cholesterol to process hormones,we need it for our brain health
.
You know we, we need to eat and, again, I, you know it's foods.
Cholesterol is found in foodsthat God created.
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So, um, I'm really big on.
God created natural, holisticwhole foods, um, as part of of a
nutrition plan.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Well, it has me wanting to ask you this question
and I'm thinking back to, gosh,probably middle school, high
school days and I had eatingdisorders, like I just
restricted.
It was a lot of restriction, itwas a lot of, you know, taking
the advice of the food people orschool or whatever it was.
(36:11):
But I got into this kick ofthinking fat was bad.
So I literally like I would eatpizza and take all of the stuff
off the pizza.
I would take the cheese, themeat, I would take it all off
and just eat the sauce and thebread.
Okay, so I was like straight upcarb loading for years.
I'm curious in our day and age.
(36:34):
I'm curious, um, in our day andage there's there's a lot of
talk on the street aboutdifferent foods that are not
good for you, or you shouldn'teat this, you should eat it.
What.
What would be one of, like yourfavorite foods that gets beat
up on the street?
On the street, um, they're likeno, this is actually like one
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of your favorite god-given foodsfor us that gets like beat up
by either the government, thedoctors, whoever it is.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Well, probably there is of late and I'm going to say
probably not in the circles thatI follow because I'm I
obviously run with like mindedpeople but meat meat has got a
(37:31):
bad rap, meaning that there's abig push towards.
You know, like cows are, cowsare polluting the earth.
They're bad for the earth.
Let's we, you know, don't eat,don't eat meat, and I love
animal protein because it's verybioavailable for us.
(37:54):
Um, you know, if you look athow many, um, you know, like the
volume of a piece of meat andthe calories, and that, versus
the same amount of protein thatyou would try and get from
chickpeas or something like that, um, it's vastly different.
Um, also, um, you know, meatproducts or animal products have
(38:19):
all the amino acids that youneed, again, just to help you to
process and to have our?
Well, you don't, obviously, butwe have our own cow, so, and
not everybody can do that.
But you know, I'm looking forhumanely raised, local, smaller
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farm operations that are notmaking a horrible impact on the
environment with the way thatthey uh, raise, raise animals or
raise, um you know, crops, etcetera, et cetera.
So I don't know if thatanswered question um or not, but
(39:05):
I think there is a big pull, uhright now, trying to go away
from from animal products andsaying that they're bad?
Absolutely not.
I love all animal products andI recommend them to my clients
as well.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
So, as somebody who's listening in and they're like,
what does bioavailable mean?
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Can you just share, like kind of what, just kind of
a short snippet of whatbioavailable means, if they
don't know what that means, yeah, it's like something having all
the pieces of the puzzletogether to make your body be
able to, to process and to getthe best benefit from it, um,
and so that is why I yeah, Idon't know if that helps make
(39:49):
sense, but it's like having allthe pieces of the puzzle to kind
of like all the little keys tounlock the door Right, um, and
and so that's why I tend to, youknow, use animals for, um, like
my, my protein sources.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
So good.
Thank you for elaborating onthat.
Um, so, if you have somebodywho's listening in and they've
just been kind of thrown aroundin the system, like you know,
like I was, you know, I'm sureI've talked to many people
who've, you know, kind of beenthrown around the system and I,
I really want to see likeparallel, more parallel systems
come out.
(40:25):
You know, especially in ourcountry.
I mean, if you turn on the tv,like you know what 75 of
commercials are aboutprescriptions and it's just like
I think we're the only countrythat allows for prescription
commercials.
So it's like we're being I'mjust gonna say it like we are
(40:46):
being brainwashed.
And those, you know, those whoare listening, they haven't
really heard much about thisbefore and they're, you know,
they're dealing with a lot ofdisease, you know in their life
or somebody they know?
(41:07):
what would be like?
What would be the best firststep for them to take, like, if
they aren't ready to step into aprogram or coaching, if they
could take just one step ontheir own, like what would that
be?
What would you recommend tothem?
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Well, first, what I would say to them is I think I
find myself saying this a lotlike, your body is not a project
that needs to be fixed.
I think so many times that Imay have mentioned it already.
There is a lot of shame, um,and you know, surrounding like,
(41:42):
how did we get to where we areRight?
Like whether that's beingoverweight, whether that's
getting a disease diagnosis or acondition or you know whatever.
And so I just like to encouragewomen to like, let's just start
right now, where you're at, andthat also, wherever you are
(42:07):
right now, the aches, the pains,the extra weight think of it as
a gift.
Your body is speaking to you.
It's trying to tell yousomething um, isn't whole right.
And so, um, I think a lot oftimes people think, oh, I have
(42:29):
to do this huge overhaul, and Ialways recommend the first step
is to just, well, first of all,to have hope right that if you
think about that, 60 to 90% ofchronic disease is preventable
and reversible.
There's a lot of hope there andit really is that a lot of
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those things are in your control.
Okay, cause those are like yourlifestyle, the food that you
choose, the way you're going tomove your body, whether you're
breathing, whether you'remanaging stress, the words you
speak, you know all of thosethings, for the most part, are
under your control.
So you do have a lot of controlover your choices.
(43:12):
And then I always recommend thatpeople, just if they're feeling
overwhelmed, to start small.
It could be as simple as howmuch water are you drinking
every day?
Okay, so just begin to, if youknow.
Take note, oh gosh, I I've hadpeople start because it's in,
(43:35):
you know, I'm in this health andwellness world so I just assume
everybody knows.
When I asked, how much waterare you drinking?
Well, usually about a half of acoffee cup a day.
Now my mind is blown becauseI'm like a 90 to a hundred ounce
a day gal.
Right, and so I go.
Okay, my goal for them istypically half their ideal body
(43:59):
weight in ounces and they knowthat that goal is out there.
But I don't expect them to comeback the next week on a session
and have that figured out.
So I say let's look foropportunities where you can
increase the amount of waterthat you're having.
So you know we're asking somequestions.
Are you drinking soda?
(44:20):
Yeah, two a day.
Okay, could you replace one ofyour sodas with one extra glass
of water.
Sure, I can do that, you know.
And so, oh, you have a commuteto work.
Could you fill up a bottle ofwater and take it with you?
Two bottles of water, actuallyone bottle for the way and one
(44:43):
bottle for the way home.
Oh, look, you just got anadditional 16 ounces of water
today.
Right, so it it really.
It's almost kind of like I'msure there's some Dave Ramsey
fans out there like thecompounding interest.
Right, like, think about yourhealth as the same way.
If you have a small littlehabit that you're going to
incorporate a like drinkingwater, and you just began to
(45:04):
just make that small little,simple change, over time it's
going to add up to big results.
And even just on the waterfront, um, I have had people come
back.
You know, I typically meet withpeople on a weekly basis, um,
sometimes every other week,depending on what kind of
program they choose and, um, Imean I don't know how many
(45:28):
people that I've said I'veincreased my water, my headaches
are gone, my skin is glowing, Ihave more energy and I'm like
wait, what did you?
Just you, you, I mean, youdidn't change anything else.
You just like listen to meabout the water and they're like
, yeah, I can't believe it.
Um, so it you know, somethingsmall as water has an impact,
but it also does something else.
It also is something that youcan come back at the end of the
(45:53):
day and reflect back and go.
I am proud of myself for doingthis one thing to make an impact
in my health, um, and so whatthat it's almost like then this
snowball effect begins to happen.
You made, you were intentionalabout drinking your water, and
so then you're like, well, I'mgoing to go on a five minute
(46:15):
walk on my lunch break.
Now you just, it's just likethe snowball thing that begins
to happen.
So I would say, choose onething and it can be as simple as
drinking water, um, and justcontinue to do that, that small,
little step every day.
Celebrate that and then you'lljust, kind of, you know, add on
(46:36):
something else, add on somethingelse.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
So that's where I would have people start.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
I've also been one to .
You know that's one of my firstquestions too.
It's like how much water areyou drinking?
I've got a very close person inmy life who kind of that same
half cup of coffee, cup of water, and she started integrating
more into her life, sleepingbetter.
I mean it's free.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's.
That is the crazy thing.
I mean, I'm kind of like, Imean I don't keep this a secret,
but most of the things that Iteach people are free, that they
.
But here's the thing I don'twant them to be dependent on me
for the rest of their lives.
I want to set them up forsuccess from day one.
I want it to be sustainable.
I want it to.
I want them to to.
You know, this is where thecoaching comes in.
(47:29):
I want that.
I want to listen to how they'respeaking about themselves or
about the things that they'redoing, and that's really the key
to coaching, because that,honestly, anybody, everybody
always comes to me.
I know what I need to do, Ijust don't do it.
I know I feel so much shame,like I should.
(47:52):
I shouldn't have to have ahealth coach because I I already
know what I'm supposed to bedoing.
But yet we were built forcommunity, right, and to have
mentors and the people to walkalongside us, right?
And so that's where thecoaching piece comes in.
Is I get to help someone alongthis part of their journey
(48:14):
because maybe they know what todo, but they have this shame and
they haven't figured out how torephrase that or flip the
script right or to renew theirmind, and they need someone to
just mentor them and coach themalong.
But, yeah, honestly, most ofthe things I teach are free,
because I want them to havelifestyle habits that are
sustainable, right Like thatthey can do this in any season
(48:37):
of life, any stage of life,while they're traveling, uh,
while they're sitting on thebeach, right Like.
There's so much of the things,um, yeah, like water, that's
free.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
And I'll I'll even use the word free Umaching is
freedom.
Coaching, working with a coachbrings freedom.
As a fellow, you know, as alife coach focused on more of
the life, business, all thethings aspects, you know, we get
the opportunity to askquestions that really unlock
people, opportunity to askquestions that really unlock
(49:11):
people.
And I don't know about you andI ask I say this to people, but
we don't often stand in front ofour mirror and ask ourselves
questions that unlock us, right?
I mean, it's beautiful, like Iknow that the work that you're
doing is setting so many free,so I'll just kind of like
tailwind into like, what does itlook like?
(49:31):
What would it look like forsomebody to work with you as
their health coach?
Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah, so I have, um, an application, um, which I wish
I had a better word for it,cause it sounds kind of like
stuffy.
But anyway, what it does isthere's a little program video
attached to that and it's alittle video that I did that
goes into, um, a little bit moreof my coaching program.
It helps kind of pre-answersome questions for them and then
(50:00):
, um, I, I want to know a littlebit about them too.
So I don't know, it's, it'smaybe, maybe 15 questions or so.
I just kind of want to know,like, what are some of their
struggles?
Um, yada, yada, yada.
So we just I have them fillthat out.
After they fill that form out,I like to read through it, and
(50:21):
then I reach back out to themsee if they have any other
questions.
Do they want to hop on a call?
Do they want to hop on a Zoom,you know?
And then we go through, just,uh, I have currently, right now,
for my coaching program, I havetwo options.
So they just basically choosewhich option they want.
(50:41):
Uh, we scheduled their firstsession.
Uh, prior to their firstsession, I have them fill out
like a health history, um, andthen we, yeah, we, we book their
first session, so those happen.
On zoom, again, there's twodifferent program options.
So one of them is that weactually meet weekly, which is
(51:02):
my favorite, but just becauseyou know, again, I get to listen
to them speak, and so we, Ihave a program that I I walk
them through, although it's veryfluid, meaning um, I'm
listening to cues, sometimes Imove different um portions or
(51:23):
modules of that, but I have fourdifferent areas that I speak
with women on Um, and one ofthem is fueling, like how to
fuel their body well, so thatthey have energy, so that they
have vitality, so they can thisis what I hear a lot chase their
children and grandchildrenaround.
And we also focus on thingslike foundations, like sleep,
(51:46):
stress, and then you know I haveanother, it's four F's, so it's
fuel foundations, flourish andfreedom, so that flourishing is
more foundations, flourish andfreedom, so that flourishing is
more um, self-care, freedom isum, you know, freedom in their
mindset.
Again, it's some of that shame,um, it's, it's their identity,
(52:08):
who they are, uh, who they werecreated to be.
Also, like you and I, actually,prior to this kind of talk like
season of life, are youreleasing children from the nest
, like I remember what anidentity crisis that was for me,
cause my, my babies are 28 and26.
So that happened a little whileago for me, but yeah, I just
(52:31):
remember just feeling very lostand that affected how I was, you
know, operating or fuelingmyself or you know whatever it
was.
So, um, you know freedom inthese areas, but also then, so
that they don't feel, um, likestuck in a certain mindset, like
that they understand that thathelp is not just a bunch of
(52:51):
rules and kind of exploring thatfor themselves.
So we meet weekly on zoom or,like I said, if they want to do
more of a self led, we just meetonce a month and then the other
weeks we check in kind of like,almost like a hybrid coaching.
So we check in with a form andthen like voice messaging back
(53:15):
and forth at the beginning ofthe week just to kind of set
them up for how did last week go?
Here's your new content.
So they do have a little bit ofhomework and, honestly, really
what I call health work and thatis putting into practice what
they learned.
So let's say you know the firstsession not to give everything
away, but let's just say thefirst has something to do with
water.
So there's some educationaround water and it's them them
(53:40):
implementing some things that Iasked them to implement.
And so then we come back thenext week.
We always celebrate wins.
I am huge, huge, huge with wins,and so because that's really
celebrating the things that youcan control, um, and so because,
uh, that's really celebratingthe things that you can control,
uh, which is your action steps,and so, uh, it's not so much
about the results although wecelebrate those too Um, but wins
(54:02):
are primarily focused on theirum.
You know the action steps thatthey took that week, and then I
release some new information forthem and do some education
questions, anything like thatthey have, and then you know,
and so it just kind of most ofthe time, the program takes
about four and a half months togo through again, because you
(54:23):
know if a holiday falls in thereor they have vacation, we might
take a week off.
You know, life happensdifferent things like that.
So, yeah, that's really what um, and and typically we both
dread the last session and we'reboth usually in tears and um,
yeah, and then it's just, it'sso awesome to see how far people
(54:44):
people have uh, come in just ashort time, but yet they feel
very equipped for the rest oftheir life.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
So that's kind of what we look like Like a general
at bootcamp and getting readyto go out for war you?
Speaker 1 (55:00):
got it, you got it yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Tackle the world in this life.
I do.
I really believe in the workthat you do.
I've sent several people yourway and I do like really want to
highlight I'm just excited thatshe was able to share today.
So, for those of you who arelistening and something's
tugging on your heart a littlebit to reach out to Kim, I
highly, highly, highly recommendher.
(55:24):
I actually had done one of hermasterclasses this year called
build a healthy plate, and thatone was really like and I've
been, I've been in this worldlike the wellness space for a
long time but there were somereally amazing keys that I even
picked up from the simplicity ofwhat she teaches and that
grace-based approach that I amso for.
You know, because there's somany, there's so many lies out
(55:47):
there.
There's so many things to tryto sift through in this whole
wellness space.
There's so many voices.
There's just so much out there,right?
Um, but again, I just reallywant to, you know, thank you,
kim, for sharing what you'redoing and, um, again, like I
said, if somebody wants to reachout to you, what's the best way
that they can do that?
(56:07):
I know I'll have stuff in theshow notes for people to be able
to access you pretty quickly,but is there um an easy way for
somebody to reach you?
Speaker 3 (56:16):
Yeah, um, the easiest way is actually through email,
um, which is Kim, at Kim Wagner,and that's spelled K, I, m, w,
a, g, g, o, n, e, rcom.
Or they can just go to mywebsite O-N-E-Rcom, or they can
just go to my websitekimwagnercom.
Or I'm most active on Instagramand that's at kimwagnerhealth,
(56:42):
and they can shoot me a messagethrough there too, and basically
what I would send them is, ofcourse, answer any questions
that they may have to start with, but I would send them that
program video so that they canreally get a good snapshot of
what my coaching program andworking with me would look like
and also just kind of myphilosophy.
(57:03):
I think they get a little bitof, maybe, who I am and, you
know, again, a little bit on theprogram as well and some of the
options there.
Speaker 2 (57:13):
So when I believe you have a really exciting event
coming up soon as well for thelisteners that are listening
before you know if you'relistening after September you
know, mid September of 2024,this won't be relevant for you,
but can you tell us a little bitabout what's coming up?
I'm really excited for you.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
Yes, yeah, so myself and two other amazing beautiful
women are going to be speaking,um, at it's Southland community
church, um, and this is inGreenwood, indiana.
Um, it's titled words worthworship and wellness, because we
(57:52):
again like words that all startwith the same thing.
And it's just a little women'sretreat.
It's a Friday night andSaturday.
So September 6th and 7th,friday is just 630 to 830.
It's fun, it's food, it'sworship, wear comfy clothes,
we're going to be doing a littlebit of movement, and then
Saturday it's nine to three,includes lunch, um, and then
(58:14):
Saturday it's nine to three,includes lunch, um, that's when
all of us will be speaking.
Um, we have Becky Brooks, who'sa Christian therapist, we have
Amy Adelp, who's also aChristian entrepreneur, and then
myself, um, and uh, we votewell, all three of us, cause
we're kind of, you know, likeplanning this whole thing
together.
Um, we really have beenimpressed that the Lord has a
(58:36):
specific message for the womenthat are going to attend there.
So, um, if someone would wantto, again, if you hear this in
time, um, it, you can go towwwsouthlandch churchorg and
click on the events and they canregister um for that.
(58:58):
So, um, like I said, it's justSouth of Indianapolis.
Uh, indiana and yeah excitedabout that.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
Amazing, so proud of you, girl.
Um, I always like to ask this,because part of why I do this is
he showed me that this is forthe one, and if you can just
kind of close your eyes for asecond and think of the one
who's listening today, do youhave anything else you'd like to
say to her or him, and wouldyou be open to praying over the
(59:26):
listeners today?
Yeah, sure?
Speaker 3 (59:28):
Well, let me sit in silence for a second.
So, even in the quick silence,what I heard is that he knows
your name and he sees you and heknows the cry of your heart,
(59:49):
and that you can choose hope,that he has laid out a plan
ahead of you and he hasresources and tools at your
disposal whether that's me,whether that's you, kristen, but
they are out there for you, andso I would just like to I'll go
(01:00:11):
ahead and pray.
So, heavenly Father, I thankyou so much.
You are such a good, goodFather, and I thank you, lord,
that you allowed me to gothrough the things that I have
in my life to be able to bringhope and health and wholeness to
(01:00:35):
others.
And I thank you, father, thatyou are really on that mission,
that you are out there seekingand you're on that rescue
mission for the daughters of Godthat have had things stolen
from them.
I thank you that you are inpursuit of these women, and so,
(01:00:58):
father, I pray um that thatwoman would have just the
courage and the bravery to justreach out and to ask for help.
If anyone is listening, the Lordhas really this week, um which
(01:01:19):
with three of my clientsspecifically, he wanted me to
actually literally pray fortheir healing, and so I don't
want to miss that opportunityfor somebody listening today
that that, whatever is going onin your body, that I just pray,
father, god, jesus the healer,that you would just invade your
(01:01:44):
presence, your peace, yourhealing touch would invade every
cell of their body and that youwould just miraculously heal
someone today body and that youwould just miraculously heal
someone today.
I thank you, lord, for theprompting.
I thank you that you arefaithful.
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We ask all this in Jesus name,amen.
Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Amen, kim, thank you for coming on today and thank
you for being a brave voicewho's setting others free.
I can only imagine.
If you have a testimony afterlistening in today, please reach
out to Kim about a healing, orme, let's testify of his
goodness.
He is our healer.
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I'm going to close with ouranchoring verse over the Hope
Unlocked podcast.
It is may the God of hope fillyou with all joy and peace in
believing, so that, by the powerof the Holy Spirit, you may
abound in hope, and that'sRomans 15, 13.
So, thank you, kim.
Please reach out to Kim if youhave questions, if you want to
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hear more about what she's doing, and I will be back with
another episode next week.
Thanks again, thank you.
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast.
I'm your host, kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
I help and empower wildheartedand adventurous women of faith
feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and potential
, break free from limitationsand thrive with confidence,
courage and hope.
If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
newwingscoachingnet and be sureto explore the show notes for
(00:38):
ways to connect with me further.
Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlockhope together.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me welcome myfriend, kim Wagoner, to the show
.
I am so excited for her to behere.
I feel like it's been a longtime coming and we just happen
to have an open time today and Ijust feel like God is all over
this conversation.
(01:09):
I'm so excited for her to sharewhere she is in her life right
now, what she's doing and howshe can actually help many of
you.
So, kim, if you could share alittle bit about yourself and
we'll kind of get into the restof the show.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Sure, thank you, kristen.
Well, like you said, my name isKim Wagner.
I just turned the big, fabulousfive zero.
This year.
My family had an awesome partyfor me, so that was really cool.
They were all dressed up when Igot there as the past versions
(01:48):
of me so pregnant Kim and ERnurse Kim and all the things.
But anyway, so I obviously ammarried.
I have you ready for this.
I have two children that Ibirthed, I have three
stepchildren and I have onebonus child.
(02:08):
So lots of lots of children inmy life as well as I'm a Mimi
now to three, with one on theway.
So ages four, three, one and,like I said, a new baby coming
here in a few months.
One and, like I said, a newbaby coming here in a few months
.
Um, I, my profession is I'm aregistered nurse and I've been
(02:29):
an RN for about 28 years, um,but in 2010, I was blessed with
a stage four cancer diagnosisand that took my life, obviously
, in a little bit of a shift.
We may get into that a littlebit more, but anyway, just to
(02:58):
let you know, that's where apivot or a shift happened in my
life for my own, uh, because Iknew I was already starting to
feel, uh, in that time I was anER nurse.
At the time I was alreadystarting to feel frustrated.
Um, you know, we would see thesame people come in with the
(03:20):
same problems over and over andover, the same problems, over
and over and over, and I beganto ask myself, like, why are we
not helping people get well?
And so, again, after thiscancer diagnosis, I had three
years to go through my ownhealing journey.
I asked a lot of questions.
(03:40):
I began to discover how could Ihave gotten cancer?
I have no family history.
I was a healthy weight, I wasactive.
You would have looked at me andnever known it.
But again, there's a lothappening on the inside that we
can't see right.
And so this is really where,honestly, it was.
(04:05):
The pivot happened for me theday that I was diagnosed,
because I came home in a lot offear, of course, at first, and a
lot of things to my memory ofthe times in my life when he was
present and was faithful, andat that time he reminded me of
(04:33):
one of my favorite Bible stories, which is the story of Joseph,
and basically, I think is itGenesis 50, 20, maybe.
Um, that says, what was meantfor evil, god meant for good,
and so I knew at that point thatI had a calling on my life to
not keep the things that I wasgoing to learn, um, because I
(04:55):
was on a mission.
Right then, you know, like Iwas, like I want to heal, I want
to live, I want to choose life,um, I have kids that I want to
see graduate and get married,and you know I was praying.
That was part of the story forme, and so, you know, over the
years God has given me more intune to what his mission is in
(05:19):
what I'm doing, and it has justa little bit to do with physical
health, but a lot of emotionaland spiritual as well, which I
think is why you and I connectvery well.
But yeah, I launched a coachingbusiness and that is what I do.
That was kind of a long way toget to what I do and who I am,
but I have a health coachingpractice on my own for probably
(05:40):
the past six, seven, eight yearsround in there, I do that from
home most of the time, remotelymeeting with clients, and then,
like I said, my priority isbeing a daughter of God, being a
wife to my husband, eric, beinga mama to my children and a
(06:02):
Mimi, and then a mama to mychildren and a Mimi, and then um
.
You know that's like my firstmission um ground, and then the
rest would be the clients thatGod brings into my path and um
live in a little organic farmhere at which you have had the
pleasure to come visit.
Um a little gift from God.
(06:24):
We live in a little organicfarm and grow most of um, you
know, our food and raisechickens and all the fun things
here in Indiana.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
So that's that's a little bit about me.
Thank you for sharing.
I want to just kind of capturesomething you said, and it was
that you were blessed to have adiagnosis of cancer.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I would say probably 99% or maybe 99.9% of people
would probably not say that.
Yeah, how can you say that?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
can you say that?
Um?
Well, it's funny because I dosee a lot of people who we don't
say uh, four letter.
Well, I do have some fourletter F words that are good,
but you know there are.
There is a trend out there offour letter word cancer, right,
um?
And while it is a devastatingdiagnosis, you know, two weeks
(07:27):
after I was diagnosed with thatdisease or cancer diagnosis, my
stepfather was diagnosed withesophageal cancer and his
outcome was different.
We were both diagnosed in Marchof 2010 and he passed away in
um December of that same year,uh, after a pretty brutal battle
(07:52):
, um, with esophageal cancerthat metastasized.
But even in that, it was ablessing because I got to care
for him, um, and I got to havesome really good conversations,
um, about, um, yeah, hisspiritual life and um, did he
feel that he know Jesus and anddid he feel confident to where
(08:16):
he was going to be going and um,so, anyway, the reason why it's
a blessing for me is because Iknow I have a savior and I know
that I have eternity.
Like, I know that this placeisn't my home.
So, um, there's no fear indeath, um, and I know, you know
(08:39):
what I mean.
Like that.
That is my security, that'swhere my true hope is found.
I mean, like that, that is mysecurity, that's where my true
hope is found, and so theblessing of it is is that, oh
man, like I was, um, I wasdigging in you know what I mean
Like to scripture and God's word, and you know so that personal
relationship or that personalencounter with Jesus was deeper
(09:03):
and stronger and morefoundational.
And yet I was also able Ishared my journey on like a
caring bridge and like Facebook,and so I was able to just have
it be a light and be aninfluence.
And I don't know what thatreach looked like, um, but it
was a gift to me to be able toshare what I was learning from
the Lord.
(09:25):
And then also, yet, there wasstill these practical things
that I was learning right, likehow, you know, my husband did
this search after, you know, Iwas diagnosed, and he's like,
wow, I just learned I know thisis going to sound crazy and
maybe it won't to everybody hewas like, wow, the roundup that
(09:48):
I'm putting on our garden foodscould have caused, or could be
like they can cause, lymphoma.
And he's like, no more, no moreon our property, we will not
have any chemicals on our land.
We will, and we looked for ways.
Obviously, then I mean again,you would think, as a nurse, I
(10:11):
would know these things, right?
No, this was not education thatI received as a nurse or
anything that I did, as you know, even in my practice, right, it
honestly wasn't even told to meas I went through, you know,
(10:36):
working with an oncologist, andyada, yada, yada.
These are all the things that Ifound out for myself.
So I hope I'm answering yourquestion.
The blessing was is that Godworks all things for our good,
and I believed that I knew whereI was going, I knew what
eternity looked like for me, andthis place was not my home.
And yet I knew that everythinghappens, you know, for a reason,
in the sense of that it canhave pain and and struggle, and
(11:00):
whatever can produce a lot, alot of good, and so that's the
hope and that's the truth that Iwas standing on.
And so when I look back, I think, man, you know, I'm leaving a
completely different legacy formy, my family, in my spiritual
life and my physical life andthe things that I'm now teaching
(11:23):
my grandkids, you know, in thekitchen and on the farm and then
our community and people beyond.
You know my local area becauseof the internet, right, like
what a blessing to be able toshare from my experience.
And yet also, ultimately, Ibring glory to God and I
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highlight him because if itwasn't for him, there wouldn't
be me, right and the and youknow.
So that's why it's a blessing,it's, it's.
Was there some hard times?
Was there some scary times?
Yeah, but again, because I havethe worldview that I have,
which is a biblical worldview,and because I have the worldview
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that I have, which is abiblical worldview.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
um, nothing is lost, in the sense, like it's, it's
all good.
Well, I hope listeners, I hopeyou caught that, um, because we
can.
It was like for you, you know,looking back, so you were still
in the ER working at that timetoo, were you?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, I was working until, um, I mean as soon as I I
did do some conventionaltreatments Cause, of course, at
the time I didn't know anydifferent Um and um, so I was
unable to work.
I because of the environmentthat I would have been in and
(12:48):
the effect on the immune system,you know, potential weakening,
et cetera, et cetera.
So, yeah, no, I was alsoblessed just to be able to stay
home for three years and gothrough that healing journey.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah, so we both share a mutual love for holistic
healing, all the things.
The holistics like whole W, h,o, l E natural means of healing
all of those beautiful thingsthat God has given us.
Was it around that time thatyou had kind of an eye-opening
(13:26):
experience Like when was that?
When was that moment for youreally started kind of taking a
different path off, like theconventional, being a nurse,
being in the, you know, I liketo say the belly of the whale,
like you're literally there,you're in it.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Like what's actually happening on the inside, Like
when did you have that likepivot point moment?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Um, I would say, within a couple of weeks of
being diagnosed, um, a couplefrom one, two different ways.
One was what I had alreadymentioned.
Was my husband doing some deepdiving, like starting to look at
research, which is reallyinteresting?
We live about an hour and ahalf from Purdue university,
which is a big agricultural, andit was actually an article that
(14:14):
he found from Purdue thattalked about some research they
had done and the effects of youknow, like glyphosate, different
different agriculturalchemicals, um, and how they were
, um, you know, affecting or oryou know I'm not sure that what
the right word I want to useright now is but um, with
(14:36):
lymphoma cases, and so that kindof opened his night, his eyes.
But that probably came a littlebit later.
Actually, the first thing againwas another God came a little
bit later.
Actually, the first thing againwas another God thing.
So as part of oncology you wereto meet with the oncology
dietician and that dietician weknew each other because I worked
(14:57):
at the hospital, right, so Iknew of her.
I didn't know her well, I justalways heard about her Wanda was
her name and she reached out tome and said could I?
Actually we only live twoblocks from each other.
And so the town that thehospital was in was like 15
(15:18):
minutes away from where I lived.
It was a larger.
So it's Warsaw, like it's alarger area.
It was a larger, so it's Warsaw, like it's a larger area.
And then my little town had 600people in it.
Okay, so at the time I lived intown and we lived two blocks
from each other and didn't knowit.
And so she's like do you mindif I come to your home and do
(15:39):
your dietary consult?
She said I would like to speakfreely with you.
And I said, yeah, absolutely.
And so she came over and sheprobably did.
You know, like what she wassupposed to do?
Right, like she.
So she was a woman who I saywas because she has passed away
(16:01):
since.
But she began to open my eyesbecause she started to ask me a
lot of questions what are youeating?
What kind of supplements areyou taking?
What are you putting on yourskin?
What kind of cleaners are youusing?
What is in your air?
What are you?
(16:23):
What thoughts?
Okay, here we go.
What thoughts?
Because I don't know if you'vecaught, if anybody's listened so
far yet and picked up, becauseI haven't corrected myself.
Yet Sometimes in the beginningor in the beginning, when I had
a cancer diagnosis, I used tosay my cancer diagnosis or my
(16:46):
lymphoma diagnosis, and shewould quickly correct me.
She said it is not yourdiagnosis, it is a diagnosis of
a collection of different things, that that someone has said to
you and your words that youspeak over yourself almost like
(17:12):
accidentally, coach me, right.
So so I there was a connection,a spirit connection that
happened that day because shealso was a believer, is a
believer, um, and so she wasalso a professor, a professor at
a local, a nutrition professorat a local um college, and she
(17:34):
would also go out and do manydifferent talks and again, this
is, you know, 14, 15 years ago.
And then she wascounter-cultural, okay, so she
was talking about whole foodnutrition, um, proper
supplementation, using them assupplements, not as first line
(17:55):
defense, talking about chemicalson your skin, you know, like
all the things.
So I, I literally became herlittle like.
She was like my little mentorand I just began to follow her
to different places and andglean and learn and soak in and
take notes and keep copies, andjust you know what I'm saying
(18:17):
Like and what she ended upbecoming as well.
Was um, a a spiritual mother tome in a sense?
Like all the other stuff waslike, eh, thank you, okay, good,
I learned how to eat, but butthis was just so rich, um,
because she, she began to, um,yeah, just really get me very
(18:41):
holistic approach, and again, I,I just believe it's because God
ordained that like for us, andso in a sense, it's really cool
because I've, unfortunately,like I said, she, she did move
away and then she did pass away,um, and I was just able to kind
of like pick up the torch, in asense, Um, and she just was a
(19:02):
huge inspiration to me.
Like I'm going to cry, um, andI, yeah, she just she left a
really amazing legacy, uh, thatI, even not being her own
daughter or being a part of herfamily, just the impact that she
had, and so it, um, you know,fuels what I want to do when I
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think about leaving a legacy.
I don't want to just want tolive a legacy, I want to.
I don't want to leave a legacy,I want to live the legacy, um,
and pass it down now, not notafter I leave, and that is
(19:43):
something that I think shereally modeled well for me.
And so that's really where myeyes were opened.
Um, and I began to just start to, and it was just like you know,
it's like when you buy a newcar and you see the new car
everywhere.
Now it's kind of like again, um, it's not accidental, it's not
coincidental, it's, you know, mehaving the eyes to be open, you
know, to see what opportunitiesand what things God's putting
in front of me.
So that is just.
(20:04):
Again.
I was hungry, not in adesperate sort of way, but I was
hungry to know again.
Remember, kristen, I'm in thismedical model over here my whole
life.
Right that?
So real quick, I want to say.
I went back to, after threeyears of healing, I did go back
(20:27):
to an OBGYN office amazingpeople, amazing doctors, amazing
office but what I found waswomen crying out for help and
they were given prescriptions orkind of like.
Ah well, this is just how it'sgoing to be.
And, um, because there was nolifestyle medicine, there was no
um, and I was just feelingreally frustrated and I no
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longer aligned with that system.
And I knew I just didn't feelgood inside and I knew that I
had to just take the leap offaith and that God was calling
me out into freedom to be ableto speak to people, speak the
truth to people, right?
Like I'm not just going to say,take this prescription because
(21:13):
of X, y or Z and I'm not alwaysagainst medication and stuff
like that but it's like if wearen't looking at the
foundations for a healthylifestyle, if we're not looking
at those foundations and whenI'm talking about foundations,
I'm not just talking about whatfood are we eating, I'm talking
about, like I said, the wordsthat we're speaking over ourself
, our mindset.
(21:33):
You know, how is our spiritualhealth?
Have we addressed any trauma inour lives?
Like, if we're not looking atthe big picture, we're we're
totally doing a disservice toour clients, you know, or our
patients.
When I was working in and Ithink that's what women are
hungry for, I think they are,they're hungry and they're, you
(21:54):
know, I mean at some points,desperate right To just not feel
the way that they feel.
Um, and they know that there'smore out there, um, and I love
this holistic approach, thismore natural approach, because
it, if someone's trying to, youknow, decrease their hemoglobin
A1C and they're working with meand we're working on that we're
(22:17):
also lowering their risk forheart disease and stroke and
they're getting in touch withnature and they're hearing from
God and they're improving familyrelationships and they're
finding they have more joy intheir life.
Like you, don't get that from aprescription.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
No, not, not one bit.
There's a lot of side effects.
What you just said are not sideeffects.
They're good they're actually.
What would you call thoseAbundance?
Yes, abundance.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yes, abundant effects .
Yep, abundant effects.
I just went to um, I just wentto a uh, five day training, uh,
it's called school lunch out inCalifornia.
Um, so very ancestral type ofcooking, living movement, et
cetera, and we kept calling thesourdough discard and they go.
We don't like that word, so werenamed it sourdough abundance.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, you know me, I love like flipping the script,
Just like, even as we're talking, like literally flipping the
script, because that's whattypically, you know I like you,
my eyes were opened years ago,you know you.
Just, you just trust the system.
You trust doctors, because Iwasn't trained as a doctor, I
was not trained, I was startingto go to school to be a nurse,
(23:42):
so I had some knowledge and II'm fascinated by health and
wellness.
I'm fascinated, I've alwaysbeen fascinated by it.
But when you start gettingthese diagnosis and you don't
know other than what somebody'stelling you you need a
prescription.
You know you just, even withkids like you as a new mama,
(24:02):
that I don't know about you, butI had moments where they're
like you need to do this andit's like you just don't
question it.
And I think what you and I loveto do is to help people like
wake up, and a lot of that isthrough asking questions.
Yeah, you and I like we don't,I don't want to like tell people
what to do I have Don't get mewrong but in the end, like when
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we each, each of us have to haveour own revelations and
awakening moments.
So I would love for you to share, share, like just in your
journey over the last you knowyears, a testimony, if you'd be
open to sharing, of somebodythat you've worked with and how
they've gone through thisjourney with you, and and, and
their awakening.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, I mean I just have one one.
Actually, where I'm going tostart, if it's OK, is I did have
(25:15):
a someone who would have beenearly on, you know doing uh, you
know following some of thethings that I said, and then you
know how you just kind of like,follow somebody and get little
nuggets.
Well, she was one of thoselittle nuggets gals and, um, she
called me out of the blue oneday, um, just to honestly
celebrate with me because she'slike and I'm sorry, I do not
(25:36):
remember the actual um, I don'tremember the exact numbers on
her, but, um, she said Kim, andlike my hemoglobin A1C.
Just by following some of thethings that you said, my
hemoglobin A1C, I'm throwingsome of the things that you said
(25:56):
my hemoglobin A1C, I'm throwingout a number.
I do have it somewhere.
Um, because it was.
I actually did like a littlevideo testimony on it.
Um, let's say it was like 10 andit's down to like seven.
Okay, um, and so I.
She just was giddy.
I was celebrating with her.
I got off the phone with herand I began to sob because the
(26:18):
Lord implanted this verse on meright after I got done speaking
with her, and it's John 10, 10.
I know a lot of people mightknow this, but it became really
fresh for me.
The thief comes only to stealand kill and destroy.
I have come so that they mayhave life and may have it
(26:44):
abundantly.
And what he really imprinted inme on that day was that we're
literally in a war.
Okay, so, whatever her story is,whatever her background is,
whatever, from infant to beyond,right, like, did she have hurts
(27:08):
?
Did she have traumas?
Did she have?
What did the enemy try to do tosteal her life?
Right, like, what did he try todo?
So, whether that shows up forher in some kind of you know
thing that led her to use foodas comfort, right?
(27:30):
Or to have a different thoughtprocess about herself, about her
worth or about her value thatcaused her to have shame or
guilt about her body, or youknow whatever.
You know, all those littlethings, I think, are the enemy
coming to steal and to kill anddestroy.
(27:51):
And so this led her along herpath, because she had not
received, maybe, healing in someof those areas um, to a type
two diabetes, you know diagnosis, and so when I feel like I am
teaching people, these are likeit's like weapons of war, right.
(28:12):
It's like how can I fuel myselfdifferent?
How can I, you know, in a waythat is sustainable, that's not
like punishing myself orrestrictive, that's free and
that's about flourishing andbrings joy.
And you know how can I do that?
(28:32):
Because I am counteracting,like I am on the offense and the
defense when it comes to whatthe enemy is trying to steal.
So I look back at my life and Iwill get to your question.
When I look at my life, I lookat some childhood trauma,
starting at age six, all right.
Then you know age eight, then areally rough I won't get into
(28:58):
that but first marriage, andthen you know a cancer diagnosis
and then you know losing my dadand you know all these
different things that theenemy's like I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm
out to get her Right, like as achild of God, like he knew the
assignment on my life, and he'slike I'm coming after her right
(29:19):
and so I fight back, withobviously being a coach, but I
help others fight back.
That's really like.
The picture that God gave me isthat we have a birthright and
we, you know, for health and forhealing and for wholeness.
And I'm not just talking aboutour physical bodies, like that's
part of it, because, because weare mind, body, spirit, right,
it's the whole thing.
(29:39):
So I wanted to just kind ofpreface that that that is what.
When I show up to work, that iswhat I believe that I'm doing, I
have a prophetic art on my wallthat God gave me a vision.
I have a prophetic art on mywall that God gave me a vision
that he is on a mission.
Okay, he's on the mission, I'malong for the ride.
Like he is on a mission andthis is the vision statement for
(30:03):
my business to restore identity, hope and help to the daughters
of God through a grace basedapproach to wellness.
And I could totally unpack thatLike.
It'll take me hours, but I havea prophetic art on my wall and
it's me.
It's a picture of me.
Like it doesn't really looklike me, but it's.
(30:23):
It's the vision that God gaveme of this princess.
She has a crown on her head,she is dressed in warrior
clothes and I am riding on theback of a lion, a lion of Judah,
and you know, I see that andit's like I'm kind of at war,
(30:43):
but I'm really like I'm writingon his back and I have a relaxed
face and I am confident and Iam secure that I'm like ushering
in, like you know what I meanLike whatever he wants to do in
somebody's life.
Um, so, backstory just wantedto give a little bit more
(31:04):
context to what I really feellike what I'm doing when I work
with clients.
Um and so, yes, I met with thislovely lady.
I only actually met with herfor eight weeks.
We had a little bit of alanguage barrier.
It was awesome, though, and Iabsolutely loved her.
She was in her sixties and whatdid I teach her how to do?
She came to me also withdiabetes, type two.
(31:28):
So type two diabetes, if peopledon't know, is a lifestyle
disease, okay, which is, by theway, reversible, preventable
number one and also reversiblewith diet and lifestyle changes.
So I was teaching her how tobuild a healthy plate to
(31:52):
basically control, help her towithin her.
You know what she could do withher plate to balance her blood
sugars and then also some bloodsugar hacks and different things
like that, um, and so we workedon that together for eight
weeks and in just a period of 90days because it is a 90 day
difference that you, um, do ahemoglobin A1C, her hemoglobin
(32:15):
A1C had dropped two points.
I believe the statistic with themedication and I know I'm going
to mess this up, so just I'mputting that out there.
I don't remember the at thetime when I quoted the statistic
, I knew it for the first time,but I want to say, like, the
oral medications that people goon is like, let's say, 0.2 of a
(32:35):
difference in a hemoglobin A1Cin 90 days.
So that was her makinglifestyle changes.
So again, that's just you knowa little bit of data.
Like I like to get some data,it's helpful.
But what I hear so many timesfrom women is I came to you
because I wanted to lose weightand I had no idea what I was up
(32:58):
for, like how much more I havegained.
Because, again, I take thatholistic approach.
So people will come and say,yeah, no, my stress is fine, and
then we actually get into itand we get into mindsets and
beliefs and things that they'rethinking and again, you know you
coined the phrase flip thescript.
(33:19):
So we begin to renew theirminds where they used to think
about shame, as the you know,they didn't realize how they
were basically bullyingthemselves and putting so much
shame and guilt on themselves.
When I just ask them, likelet's be curious, instead, let's
just be curious, let's listen,let's confess in a sense, you
(33:42):
know, like, well, these arethings that I'm thinking and
that I'm feeling, and then let'sask, you know, let's just be
curious around that.
So hopefully that kind ofanswered your question just a
little bit.
Um, like I said, that's somedata, like some concrete.
(34:03):
Several people their cholesterollevels have gone down again,
that's another topic, but thingsthat were maybe a little bit
more triglycerides, um, I have alittle bit of a different
opinion maybe than mainstream oncholesterol, but let's just say
, um, what's that?
Just maybe, yeah, maybe, um,yeah, um, you know about that
what's that?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
go there with that.
I feel like it's maybe you wantto go there.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Go there a little bit um, yeah, basically, we need
cholesterol.
Everybody thinks thatcholesterol is the problem.
When, um, I mean, it's reallynot the problem.
I mean, I think, uh,inflammation is more of the
problem with, you know thethoughts that we think the
chemicals that we put in ourfoods, we're we're eating a ton
of processed foods.
I mean, I, I kind of understandit, as you know, if you think
(34:50):
about, like, inflammation inyour body and your cholesterol
being a fire hose trying to putthings out.
You know it's trying to fix theproblem.
Um, and so, yeah, I encourage,um, people to look at are they
being sedentary?
You know, what kind ofchemicals do they have?
I mean, could these things bemore contributory towards,
(35:13):
towards, you know, the lifestyleissues or the risk factors that
they're having versuscholesterol, because we need
cholesterol to process hormones,we need it for our brain health
.
You know we, we need to eat and, again, I, you know it's foods.
Cholesterol is found in foodsthat God created.
(35:36):
So, um, I'm really big on.
God created natural, holisticwhole foods, um, as part of of a
nutrition plan.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Well, it has me wanting to ask you this question
and I'm thinking back to, gosh,probably middle school, high
school days and I had eatingdisorders, like I just
restricted.
It was a lot of restriction, itwas a lot of, you know, taking
the advice of the food people orschool or whatever it was.
(36:11):
But I got into this kick ofthinking fat was bad.
So I literally like I would eatpizza and take all of the stuff
off the pizza.
I would take the cheese, themeat, I would take it all off
and just eat the sauce and thebread.
Okay, so I was like straight upcarb loading for years.
I'm curious in our day and age.
(36:34):
I'm curious, um, in our day andage there's there's a lot of
talk on the street aboutdifferent foods that are not
good for you, or you shouldn'teat this, you should eat it.
What.
What would be one of, like yourfavorite foods that gets beat
up on the street?
On the street, um, they're likeno, this is actually like one
(37:01):
of your favorite god-given foodsfor us that gets like beat up
by either the government, thedoctors, whoever it is.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Well, probably there is of late and I'm going to say
probably not in the circles thatI follow because I'm I
obviously run with like mindedpeople but meat meat has got a
(37:31):
bad rap, meaning that there's abig push towards.
You know, like cows are, cowsare polluting the earth.
They're bad for the earth.
Let's we, you know, don't eat,don't eat meat, and I love
animal protein because it's verybioavailable for us.
(37:54):
Um, you know, if you look athow many, um, you know, like the
volume of a piece of meat andthe calories, and that, versus
the same amount of protein thatyou would try and get from
chickpeas or something like that, um, it's vastly different.
Um, also, um, you know, meatproducts or animal products have
(38:19):
all the amino acids that youneed, again, just to help you to
process and to have our?
Well, you don't, obviously, butwe have our own cow, so, and
not everybody can do that.
But you know, I'm looking forhumanely raised, local, smaller
(38:44):
farm operations that are notmaking a horrible impact on the
environment with the way thatthey uh, raise, raise animals or
raise, um you know, crops, etcetera, et cetera.
So I don't know if thatanswered question um or not, but
(39:05):
I think there is a big pull, uhright now, trying to go away
from from animal products andsaying that they're bad?
Absolutely not.
I love all animal products andI recommend them to my clients
as well.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
So, as somebody who's listening in and they're like,
what does bioavailable mean?
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Can you just share, like kind of what, just kind of
a short snippet of whatbioavailable means, if they
don't know what that means, yeah, it's like something having all
the pieces of the puzzletogether to make your body be
able to, to process and to getthe best benefit from it, um,
and so that is why I yeah, Idon't know if that helps make
(39:49):
sense, but it's like having allthe pieces of the puzzle to kind
of like all the little keys tounlock the door Right, um, and
and so that's why I tend to, youknow, use animals for, um, like
my, my protein sources.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
So good.
Thank you for elaborating onthat.
Um, so, if you have somebodywho's listening in and they've
just been kind of thrown aroundin the system, like you know,
like I was, you know, I'm sureI've talked to many people
who've, you know, kind of beenthrown around the system and I,
I really want to see likeparallel, more parallel systems
come out.
(40:25):
You know, especially in ourcountry.
I mean, if you turn on the tv,like you know what 75 of
commercials are aboutprescriptions and it's just like
I think we're the only countrythat allows for prescription
commercials.
So it's like we're being I'mjust gonna say it like we are
(40:46):
being brainwashed.
And those, you know, those whoare listening, they haven't
really heard much about thisbefore and they're, you know,
they're dealing with a lot ofdisease, you know in their life
or somebody they know?
(41:07):
what would be like?
What would be the best firststep for them to take, like, if
they aren't ready to step into aprogram or coaching, if they
could take just one step ontheir own, like what would that
be?
What would you recommend tothem?
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Well, first, what I would say to them is I think I
find myself saying this a lotlike, your body is not a project
that needs to be fixed.
I think so many times that Imay have mentioned it already.
There is a lot of shame, um,and you know, surrounding like,
(41:42):
how did we get to where we areRight?
Like whether that's beingoverweight, whether that's
getting a disease diagnosis or acondition or you know whatever.
And so I just like to encouragewomen to like, let's just start
right now, where you're at, andthat also, wherever you are
(42:07):
right now, the aches, the pains,the extra weight think of it as
a gift.
Your body is speaking to you.
It's trying to tell yousomething um, isn't whole right.
And so, um, I think a lot oftimes people think, oh, I have
(42:29):
to do this huge overhaul, and Ialways recommend the first step
is to just, well, first of all,to have hope right that if you
think about that, 60 to 90% ofchronic disease is preventable
and reversible.
There's a lot of hope there andit really is that a lot of
(42:49):
those things are in your control.
Okay, cause those are like yourlifestyle, the food that you
choose, the way you're going tomove your body, whether you're
breathing, whether you'remanaging stress, the words you
speak, you know all of thosethings, for the most part, are
under your control.
So you do have a lot of controlover your choices.
(43:12):
And then I always recommend thatpeople, just if they're feeling
overwhelmed, to start small.
It could be as simple as howmuch water are you drinking
every day?
Okay, so just begin to, if youknow.
Take note, oh gosh, I I've hadpeople start because it's in,
(43:35):
you know, I'm in this health andwellness world so I just assume
everybody knows.
When I asked, how much waterare you drinking?
Well, usually about a half of acoffee cup a day.
Now my mind is blown becauseI'm like a 90 to a hundred ounce
a day gal.
Right, and so I go.
Okay, my goal for them istypically half their ideal body
(43:59):
weight in ounces and they knowthat that goal is out there.
But I don't expect them to comeback the next week on a session
and have that figured out.
So I say let's look foropportunities where you can
increase the amount of waterthat you're having.
So you know we're asking somequestions.
Are you drinking soda?
(44:20):
Yeah, two a day.
Okay, could you replace one ofyour sodas with one extra glass
of water.
Sure, I can do that, you know.
And so, oh, you have a commuteto work.
Could you fill up a bottle ofwater and take it with you?
Two bottles of water, actuallyone bottle for the way and one
(44:43):
bottle for the way home.
Oh, look, you just got anadditional 16 ounces of water
today.
Right, so it it really.
It's almost kind of like I'msure there's some Dave Ramsey
fans out there like thecompounding interest.
Right, like, think about yourhealth as the same way.
If you have a small littlehabit that you're going to
incorporate a like drinkingwater, and you just began to
(45:04):
just make that small little,simple change, over time it's
going to add up to big results.
And even just on the waterfront, um, I have had people come
back.
You know, I typically meet withpeople on a weekly basis, um,
sometimes every other week,depending on what kind of
program they choose and, um, Imean I don't know how many
(45:28):
people that I've said I'veincreased my water, my headaches
are gone, my skin is glowing, Ihave more energy and I'm like
wait, what did you?
Just you, you, I mean, youdidn't change anything else.
You just like listen to meabout the water and they're like
, yeah, I can't believe it.
Um, so it you know, somethingsmall as water has an impact,
but it also does something else.
It also is something that youcan come back at the end of the
(45:53):
day and reflect back and go.
I am proud of myself for doingthis one thing to make an impact
in my health, um, and so whatthat it's almost like then this
snowball effect begins to happen.
You made, you were intentionalabout drinking your water, and
so then you're like, well, I'mgoing to go on a five minute
(46:15):
walk on my lunch break.
Now you just, it's just likethe snowball thing that begins
to happen.
So I would say, choose onething and it can be as simple as
drinking water, um, and justcontinue to do that, that small,
little step every day.
Celebrate that and then you'lljust, kind of, you know, add on
(46:36):
something else, add on somethingelse.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
So that's where I would have people start.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
I've also been one to .
You know that's one of my firstquestions too.
It's like how much water areyou drinking?
I've got a very close person inmy life who kind of that same
half cup of coffee, cup of water, and she started integrating
more into her life, sleepingbetter.
I mean it's free.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's.
That is the crazy thing.
I mean, I'm kind of like, Imean I don't keep this a secret,
but most of the things that Iteach people are free, that they
.
But here's the thing I don'twant them to be dependent on me
for the rest of their lives.
I want to set them up forsuccess from day one.
I want it to be sustainable.
I want it to.
I want them to to.
You know, this is where thecoaching comes in.
(47:29):
I want that.
I want to listen to how they'respeaking about themselves or
about the things that they'redoing, and that's really the key
to coaching, because that,honestly, anybody, everybody
always comes to me.
I know what I need to do, Ijust don't do it.
I know I feel so much shame,like I should.
(47:52):
I shouldn't have to have ahealth coach because I I already
know what I'm supposed to bedoing.
But yet we were built forcommunity, right, and to have
mentors and the people to walkalongside us, right?
And so that's where thecoaching piece comes in.
Is I get to help someone alongthis part of their journey
(48:14):
because maybe they know what todo, but they have this shame and
they haven't figured out how torephrase that or flip the
script right or to renew theirmind, and they need someone to
just mentor them and coach themalong.
But, yeah, honestly, most ofthe things I teach are free,
because I want them to havelifestyle habits that are
sustainable, right Like thatthey can do this in any season
(48:37):
of life, any stage of life,while they're traveling, uh,
while they're sitting on thebeach, right Like.
There's so much of the things,um, yeah, like water, that's
free.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
And I'll I'll even use the word free Umaching is
freedom.
Coaching, working with a coachbrings freedom.
As a fellow, you know, as alife coach focused on more of
the life, business, all thethings aspects, you know, we get
the opportunity to askquestions that really unlock
people, opportunity to askquestions that really unlock
(49:11):
people.
And I don't know about you andI ask I say this to people, but
we don't often stand in front ofour mirror and ask ourselves
questions that unlock us, right?
I mean, it's beautiful, like Iknow that the work that you're
doing is setting so many free,so I'll just kind of like
tailwind into like, what does itlook like?
(49:31):
What would it look like forsomebody to work with you as
their health coach?
Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah, so I have, um, an application, um, which I wish
I had a better word for it,cause it sounds kind of like
stuffy.
But anyway, what it does isthere's a little program video
attached to that and it's alittle video that I did that
goes into, um, a little bit moreof my coaching program.
It helps kind of pre-answersome questions for them and then
(50:00):
, um, I, I want to know a littlebit about them too.
So I don't know, it's, it'smaybe, maybe 15 questions or so.
I just kind of want to know,like, what are some of their
struggles?
Um, yada, yada, yada.
So we just I have them fillthat out.
After they fill that form out,I like to read through it, and
(50:21):
then I reach back out to themsee if they have any other
questions.
Do they want to hop on a call?
Do they want to hop on a Zoom,you know?
And then we go through, just,uh, I have currently, right now,
for my coaching program, I havetwo options.
So they just basically choosewhich option they want.
(50:41):
Uh, we scheduled their firstsession.
Uh, prior to their firstsession, I have them fill out
like a health history, um, andthen we, yeah, we, we book their
first session, so those happen.
On zoom, again, there's twodifferent program options.
So one of them is that weactually meet weekly, which is
(51:02):
my favorite, but just becauseyou know, again, I get to listen
to them speak, and so we, Ihave a program that I I walk
them through, although it's veryfluid, meaning um, I'm
listening to cues, sometimes Imove different um portions or
(51:23):
modules of that, but I have fourdifferent areas that I speak
with women on Um, and one ofthem is fueling, like how to
fuel their body well, so thatthey have energy, so that they
have vitality, so they can thisis what I hear a lot chase their
children and grandchildrenaround.
And we also focus on thingslike foundations, like sleep,
(51:46):
stress, and then you know I haveanother, it's four F's, so it's
fuel foundations, flourish andfreedom, so that flourishing is
more foundations, flourish andfreedom, so that flourishing is
more um, self-care, freedom isum, you know, freedom in their
mindset.
Again, it's some of that shame,um, it's, it's their identity,
(52:08):
who they are, uh, who they werecreated to be.
Also, like you and I, actually,prior to this kind of talk like
season of life, are youreleasing children from the nest
, like I remember what anidentity crisis that was for me,
cause my, my babies are 28 and26.
So that happened a little whileago for me, but yeah, I just
(52:31):
remember just feeling very lostand that affected how I was, you
know, operating or fuelingmyself or you know whatever it
was.
So, um, you know freedom inthese areas, but also then, so
that they don't feel, um, likestuck in a certain mindset, like
that they understand that thathelp is not just a bunch of
(52:51):
rules and kind of exploring thatfor themselves.
So we meet weekly on zoom or,like I said, if they want to do
more of a self led, we just meetonce a month and then the other
weeks we check in kind of like,almost like a hybrid coaching.
So we check in with a form andthen like voice messaging back
(53:15):
and forth at the beginning ofthe week just to kind of set
them up for how did last week go?
Here's your new content.
So they do have a little bit ofhomework and, honestly, really
what I call health work and thatis putting into practice what
they learned.
So let's say you know the firstsession not to give everything
away, but let's just say thefirst has something to do with
water.
So there's some educationaround water and it's them them
(53:40):
implementing some things that Iasked them to implement.
And so then we come back thenext week.
We always celebrate wins.
I am huge, huge, huge with wins,and so because that's really
celebrating the things that youcan control, um, and so because,
uh, that's really celebratingthe things that you can control,
uh, which is your action steps,and so, uh, it's not so much
about the results although wecelebrate those too Um, but wins
(54:02):
are primarily focused on theirum.
You know the action steps thatthey took that week, and then I
release some new information forthem and do some education
questions, anything like thatthey have, and then you know,
and so it just kind of most ofthe time, the program takes
about four and a half months togo through again, because you
(54:23):
know if a holiday falls in thereor they have vacation, we might
take a week off.
You know, life happensdifferent things like that.
So, yeah, that's really what um, and and typically we both
dread the last session and we'reboth usually in tears and um,
yeah, and then it's just, it'sso awesome to see how far people
(54:44):
people have uh, come in just ashort time, but yet they feel
very equipped for the rest oftheir life.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
So that's kind of what we look like Like a general
at bootcamp and getting readyto go out for war you?
Speaker 1 (55:00):
got it, you got it yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Tackle the world in this life.
I do.
I really believe in the workthat you do.
I've sent several people yourway and I do like really want to
highlight I'm just excited thatshe was able to share today.
So, for those of you who arelistening and something's
tugging on your heart a littlebit to reach out to Kim, I
highly, highly, highly recommendher.
(55:24):
I actually had done one of hermasterclasses this year called
build a healthy plate, and thatone was really like and I've
been, I've been in this worldlike the wellness space for a
long time but there were somereally amazing keys that I even
picked up from the simplicity ofwhat she teaches and that
grace-based approach that I amso for.
You know, because there's somany, there's so many lies out
(55:47):
there.
There's so many things to tryto sift through in this whole
wellness space.
There's so many voices.
There's just so much out there,right?
Um, but again, I just reallywant to, you know, thank you,
kim, for sharing what you'redoing and, um, again, like I
said, if somebody wants to reachout to you, what's the best way
that they can do that?
(56:07):
I know I'll have stuff in theshow notes for people to be able
to access you pretty quickly,but is there um an easy way for
somebody to reach you?
Speaker 3 (56:16):
Yeah, um, the easiest way is actually through email,
um, which is Kim, at Kim Wagner,and that's spelled K, I, m, w,
a, g, g, o, n, e, rcom.
Or they can just go to mywebsite O-N-E-Rcom, or they can
just go to my websitekimwagnercom.
Or I'm most active on Instagramand that's at kimwagnerhealth,
(56:42):
and they can shoot me a messagethrough there too, and basically
what I would send them is, ofcourse, answer any questions
that they may have to start with, but I would send them that
program video so that they canreally get a good snapshot of
what my coaching program andworking with me would look like
and also just kind of myphilosophy.
(57:03):
I think they get a little bitof, maybe, who I am and, you
know, again, a little bit on theprogram as well and some of the
options there.
Speaker 2 (57:13):
So when I believe you have a really exciting event
coming up soon as well for thelisteners that are listening
before you know if you'relistening after September you
know, mid September of 2024,this won't be relevant for you,
but can you tell us a little bitabout what's coming up?
I'm really excited for you.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
Yes, yeah, so myself and two other amazing beautiful
women are going to be speaking,um, at it's Southland community
church, um, and this is inGreenwood, indiana.
Um, it's titled words worthworship and wellness, because we
(57:52):
again like words that all startwith the same thing.
And it's just a little women'sretreat.
It's a Friday night andSaturday.
So September 6th and 7th,friday is just 630 to 830.
It's fun, it's food, it'sworship, wear comfy clothes,
we're going to be doing a littlebit of movement, and then
Saturday it's nine to three,includes lunch, um, and then
(58:14):
Saturday it's nine to three,includes lunch, um, that's when
all of us will be speaking.
Um, we have Becky Brooks, who'sa Christian therapist, we have
Amy Adelp, who's also aChristian entrepreneur, and then
myself, um, and uh, we votewell, all three of us, cause
we're kind of, you know, likeplanning this whole thing
together.
Um, we really have beenimpressed that the Lord has a
(58:36):
specific message for the womenthat are going to attend there.
So, um, if someone would wantto, again, if you hear this in
time, um, it, you can go towwwsouthlandch churchorg and
click on the events and they canregister um for that.
(58:58):
So, um, like I said, it's justSouth of Indianapolis.
Uh, indiana and yeah excitedabout that.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
Amazing, so proud of you, girl.
Um, I always like to ask this,because part of why I do this is
he showed me that this is forthe one, and if you can just
kind of close your eyes for asecond and think of the one
who's listening today, do youhave anything else you'd like to
say to her or him, and wouldyou be open to praying over the
(59:26):
listeners today?
Yeah, sure?
Speaker 3 (59:28):
Well, let me sit in silence for a second.
So, even in the quick silence,what I heard is that he knows
your name and he sees you and heknows the cry of your heart,
(59:49):
and that you can choose hope,that he has laid out a plan
ahead of you and he hasresources and tools at your
disposal whether that's me,whether that's you, kristen, but
they are out there for you, andso I would just like to I'll go
(01:00:11):
ahead and pray.
So, heavenly Father, I thankyou so much.
You are such a good, goodFather, and I thank you, lord,
that you allowed me to gothrough the things that I have
in my life to be able to bringhope and health and wholeness to
(01:00:35):
others.
And I thank you, father, thatyou are really on that mission,
that you are out there seekingand you're on that rescue
mission for the daughters of Godthat have had things stolen
from them.
I thank you that you are inpursuit of these women, and so,
(01:00:58):
father, I pray um that thatwoman would have just the
courage and the bravery to justreach out and to ask for help.
If anyone is listening, the Lordhas really this week, um which
(01:01:19):
with three of my clientsspecifically, he wanted me to
actually literally pray fortheir healing, and so I don't
want to miss that opportunityfor somebody listening today
that that, whatever is going onin your body, that I just pray,
father, god, jesus the healer,that you would just invade your
(01:01:44):
presence, your peace, yourhealing touch would invade every
cell of their body and that youwould just miraculously heal
someone today body and that youwould just miraculously heal
someone today.
I thank you, lord, for theprompting.
I thank you that you arefaithful.
(01:02:05):
We ask all this in Jesus name,amen.
Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Amen, kim, thank you for coming on today and thank
you for being a brave voicewho's setting others free.
I can only imagine.
If you have a testimony afterlistening in today, please reach
out to Kim about a healing, orme, let's testify of his
goodness.
He is our healer.
(01:02:34):
I'm going to close with ouranchoring verse over the Hope
Unlocked podcast.
It is may the God of hope fillyou with all joy and peace in
believing, so that, by the powerof the Holy Spirit, you may
abound in hope, and that'sRomans 15, 13.
So, thank you, kim.
Please reach out to Kim if youhave questions, if you want to
(01:02:54):
hear more about what she's doing, and I will be back with
another episode next week.
Thanks again, thank you.
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