October 23, 2025 • 58 mins
A knock on a Denver door changed everything. Greg Stier grew up amid fear and fists until a bold preacher shared the gospel—and lit a spark that transformed his family. That spark became Dare 2 Share, a global movement equipping teens to share their faith with courage and clarity. We unpack how ask, admire, admit turns everyday talks into gospel conversations, why Gen Z craves truth over trends, and how courage and compassion can change everything. Gritty, hope-filled, and real.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:16):
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked Podcast.
I'm your host, Kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
I help and empower wild-heartedand adventurous women of faith
feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and
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confidence, courage, and hope.
If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
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(00:38):
ways to connect with me further.
Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlock hopetogether.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me welcome GregSteer to the show.
(00:58):
I am so excited to have himhere.
We've had a moment to chat alittle bit ahead of time, and
we're a new connection.
As everybody here knows, I loveconnections, and I think you
guys are just going to be wowedby his story today.
So, Greg, would you just be opento sharing a little bit about
yourself before we get into it?
SPEAKER_01 (01:14):
Sure, Kristen.
I am uh my name is Greg Steer.
I live in Arvana, Colorado.
I'm married to my wonderful wifeof 35 years, Debbie.
Public school teacher at thesame school for 30 years and is
a legend in our city.
Amazing.
Two adult children, uh Jeremyand Kaylee.
And Jeremy got married two yearsago and Kaylee going to Colorado
(01:37):
Christian University and both ofthem love Jesus.
And yeah, it's great.
I I have a great family and andlove.
I'm the founder of a ministrycalled Dare to Share.
SPEAKER_02 (01:48):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (01:49):
Train and equip teenagers all over the world how
to share the gospel of Christ.
And so I've been doing that for34 years and I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (01:58):
Wow.
Wow.
And I I like I said to youbefore, like I don't love to dig
into people fully before I getinto it.
So, first of all, we want toknow, and I know others want to
know, dare to share.
Tell us how that name cameabout.
SPEAKER_01 (02:11):
Well, you know what?
I I have this crazy story, thisradical story.
As I often say, I don't comefrom a typical religious church
going, pew sitting, him-singingfamily.
I come from a family filled withbodybuilding, tobacco chewing,
beer drinking thugs.
Awesome.
Just the women.
So the family.
That's just the did you saythat's just the women?
(02:33):
I'm like, I got family male andfemale bodybuilders and street
fighters.
And um, three of my uncles werecompetitive bodybuilders.
The fourth one was a bouncer atthe toughest bar in Denver.
And the fifth one was a goldgloss boxer, judo champion, war
hero.
My ma was the only girl in thegroup, and they were all afraid
of her uh because she used abaseball bat when she fought.
(02:56):
And uh she was like a jackedversion of the woman at the
well.
I mean, she was my family.
It was wild.
So the mafia, the small don't'tnicknamed my uncles the crazy
brothers.
Okay, and uh they were there wasa lot of violence in my family.
I was like young Sheldon in thehood.
I was not a tough kid, I wasterrified.
(03:18):
And so I joke about it now, butactually, it's just every day
growing up, I was I wasterrified, I was mortified by
the neighborhood we were raisedin, by the family I lived in,
the violence that I saw.
And everything was in a downwardspiral.
SPEAKER_02 (03:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:37):
And then a hillbelly preacher, yeah, nicknamed Yankee
for some reason, he planted achurch in the suburbs of Denver
and on a dare went to my UncleJack's house.
My Uncle Jack had gone to jailfor choking two cops unconscious
at the same time.
(03:58):
He was he looks like theWolverine, but he's bigger.
Uh tattoos everywhere.
Yankee on a dare from a guy BobDaly went to share the gospel.
Dare to show to my uncle Jack,knocked on his door on a
Saturday morning.
My Uncle Jack came to the door,no shirt on, tattoos everywhere.
(04:18):
Dug like this, he had two beercans, one for one for drinking
beer, one for spitting shoe.
SPEAKER_00 (04:23):
Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_01 (04:24):
He goes, What do you want?
And he goes, Uh, my name'sYankee Arnold.
I'm here on a dare from Bob Dalyto tell you about Jesus.
I love it.
And Jack goes, Well, I don'tknow Jesus, I know Bob, I'll
give you five minutes.
And he explained the gospel thatChrist came to die for sinners.
Um, that salvation wasn't bybeing good, it was by
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recognizing you're a sinner inneed of a savior.
You transfer your trust fromyourself to Christ.
Uh, in that moment, he will saveyou.
SPEAKER_02 (04:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:55):
And Yankees said, Does that make sense?
And my Uncle Jack said, Hellyeah, that was a sinner's
prayer.
Wow.
He trusted in Christ and brought250 people out to Yankee's
church in one month.
That is not an exaggeration.
And one by one by one, my familymembers came to Christ.
My Uncle Bob came to Christ inthe back of a squad car after he
(05:17):
beat a guy to death.
SPEAKER_02 (05:18):
What?
SPEAKER_01 (05:19):
Story after story after story.
I watched the uttertransformation of most of my
family.
SPEAKER_02 (05:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:26):
My Ma was one of the only holdouts because Ma, she
was a partier, and she gotpregnant uh with me.
She found out she was pregnant.
She drove from Denver to Bostonto have an abortion.
SPEAKER_02 (05:44):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (05:45):
And stayed with my Uncle Tommy and my Aunt Carol,
who had recently becomeChristians.
SPEAKER_02 (05:49):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (05:50):
They talked her out of it.
SPEAKER_02 (05:52):
Oh my word.
SPEAKER_01 (05:53):
She came back and she would look at me and burst
into tears.
And I always wondered why.
SPEAKER_02 (05:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:58):
She would cry.
And my grandma told me when Iwas 12 years old, you know why
she cries when she looks at you?
It's because she feels guiltybecause she almost aborted you.
And she had a very checkeredpast, been with a lot, been
married several times, been witha lot of men, and had violence
in her.
I remember when I was five yearsold.
SPEAKER_02 (06:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:20):
I was playing on the front porch.
And we lived in a the highestcrime area of our city.
SPEAKER_02 (06:25):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (06:25):
And a guy pulls up in a brand new car, and I
strained my eyes to see who itwas.
And it was one of the guys shehad married who had left us.
And I yelled inside, Mommy,mommy, you know, one of my dads
is here.
And she was smoking a cigarette,doing the dishes.
She looked out and she saw him.
She grabbed a baseball bat,cigarette still in her mouth,
(06:46):
goes running out while he'ssitting in the car, shatters his
front windshield.
She goes, Get out of the car.
I'm just a girl, right?
Takes out his headlight.
She goes, Come on, get out.
She starts doing body damage onthis car.
And I'm traumatized, yet somehowproud of my mom because she's
just wailing on this car.
I'm like, you go, mom, you go,my like he gets out of the car
(07:07):
and she lit him up with thatbaseball bat.
I joke about it now, but itactually traumatized me as a
kid.
SPEAKER_02 (07:13):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (07:15):
He drives off.
We never see him again for somestrange reason.
And I remember thinking three tothree things to myself when
she's walking up.
Uh, number one, I'm thinking, Iwill never disobey my mom again.
Right, right.
Never see such violence.
Yeah.
Number two, I'm thinking, howdid the cigarette stay in her
(07:35):
mouth the whole time?
The whole time.
Right.
And then the third question is,why is my mom so mad?
And I found out when I was 12years old, she had a
shame-fueled rage.
Wow.
Wow.
And um, at the same time, when Iwas 12 years old, I learned how
to share my faith.
(07:56):
Because this Hillbilly preachertrained me.
I went to his youth group, and Istarted going back and telling
my mom about Christ.
And it took three years.
She would say, You don't knowthe things I've done wrong.
And I knew them all becausegrandma told me.
I said, It doesn't matter, Ma.
Jesus paid the price on thecross, you place your faith in
him, you have eternal life.
And when I was 15, I sat herdown one last time.
(08:17):
She's still smoking a cigarette.
I have my mom to Christ inbetween buffs.
And she goes, I'm in.
And when my family said, I'm in,they were she were all.
Yeah, they came all in.
SPEAKER_00 (08:30):
So I gotta stop you for a second.
Yeah.
Um, I know people who arewaiting for others to come,
whether it's uh spouses orfamily members or friends, and
they're you know continually,you know, trying to reach
people.
What would you say?
(08:50):
I mean, even as a child, youknew not to give up.
Um what what kept you going?
What what kept you going afterlike re you know, it's in
essence, some could look at itas rejection, right?
SPEAKER_01 (09:03):
You gotta love them enough not to give up.
And when I say give up, I meannot not just sharing the gospel,
but praying for them to beready.
SPEAKER_02 (09:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:14):
Prayer is like chopping down a tree.
The bigger the prayer request,the bigger the tree.
And you just keep swinging thataxe of prayer until God yells
timber.
And when God yells timber, twothings happen.
A tree falls, the soul getssaved, you become spiritually
jacked in the process.
SPEAKER_00 (09:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:34):
Because you've been praying and you've been building
faith, building that prayer.
SPEAKER_00 (09:39):
That's so good.
That's such a great like way.
Could you could you repeat thatagain?
I feel like somebody just needsto hear just how you explained
prayer and trees.
SPEAKER_01 (09:48):
Yeah, yeah.
Prayer is it's like chopping atree down.
You know, you keep the biggerthe tree, the more swings you
got to take, and the harder itis, right?
And when God answers thatprayer, not only does a tree
fall down, the soul gets saved,but you become spiritually
strong because you've beenpraying.
Yeah, like Jesus said in Luke18.1, I gave him this parable to
teach him how to pray and notgive up.
SPEAKER_02 (10:10):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (10:10):
So praying perpetually, persistently,
consistently, relentlesslyactually strengthens your faith.
SPEAKER_02 (10:18):
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (10:20):
So it's not just a prayer request getting answered,
it's you becoming strongerspiritually in the process.
SPEAKER_00 (10:25):
Amen.
Yes.
So you see your mom come toChrist, and then what happened
with her?
You said she went all in.
Like, oh I'm even thinking backbecause I got saved from
addiction and I used to smoketwo packs of cigarettes myself.
SPEAKER_03 (10:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:40):
And it was like an immediate, like, I had a
Saldopol conversion.
I like to say that, but I didn'tkill anybody, thankfully.
I literally had no more desirefor alcohol, drugs, cigarettes,
which I think for a lot ofpeople, cigarettes is a big
thing.
How did your mom do with thecigarettes?
SPEAKER_01 (10:56):
Yeah, the cigarettes that was one area.
I maybe not all in, 90, 99% in.
unknown (11:02):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (11:02):
That's what took her home eventually.
But um, you know, some peoplesay that's harder than heroin to
get.
Yeah, totally.
She, you know, she just began totell everybody about Christ.
I mean, she was and she was veryblunt.
My I come from a very bluntfamily.
When I be when I was a pastor,she was in church, and I go, How
(11:24):
many of you struggle withbitterness?
She goes, I do every day.
I'm like, Ma.
Oh my gosh.
She goes, Don't ask the questionif you don't want the answer.
SPEAKER_02 (11:32):
I love it.
SPEAKER_01 (11:33):
Everybody looked at her, she goes, right?
And everybody started cheering.
I'm like, oh my goodness, my momis raising up a revolution in
her church.
I love it.
But you know, just tellingeverybody about Christ and um
really like having hope.
Yeah.
Because she had so much shame,so much guilt for such a crazy,
crazy past.
(11:54):
Um my family became veryevangelistic.
Okay.
Because they wanted everyone toknow what it changed to them.
And so, so anyway, so I youknow, I graduate from high
school, I go off to college, Imeet the love of my life, uh,
Debbie there.
Debbie is she's her dad's anengineer.
SPEAKER_02 (12:17):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (12:19):
I was living in you know, trailer court.
Um I was raised in apartmentcomplexes in trailer courts.
And so I, you know, I I meet herand she's you know, uptown girl.
And uh we fall in love and umdate for uh through years, and
then we get married.
Plant a church, um Grace Church,which is still around to this
(12:43):
day in Arvada, Colorado, and uhwith my friend, never went to
seminary.
Um start data to share on theside.
And you know, both are going.
It's not easy.
My wife and I, you know, we hadreally rough time our our first
five years of marriage because Iwas on the road and I was busy
(13:06):
being a pastor and not busybeing a husband, and that
culminated in a not so goodBible study gathering where we
got into a raging argument onthe way to the Bible study about
my busy schedule.
SPEAKER_02 (13:26):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (13:27):
And uh in the Bible study that night, um the uh the
pastor Green, the associatepastor, was leading, and he
goes, you know, tonight, let'sjust go around the room and see
how we're doing.
We'll set the Bible study asideand just let's get real and raw.
I'm like, oh no.
SPEAKER_00 (13:44):
Not tonight.
SPEAKER_01 (13:45):
Gets around to me and I'm spinning it like a
politician, you know, trying tofind that work, ministry
balance, life balance, blah,blah, blah.
Gets to my wife, and you got toknow my wife to appreciate it
because she's very sweet, yeah,pretty shy, pretty quiet.
Um, but she is a redhead.
And Pastor Green goes, How's itgoing, Debbie?
(14:09):
She goes, Not good.
And everybody looked up and hegoes, What's going on?
She goes, My husband's goneevery weekend, he's gone every
night.
When he is home, he's gotnothing left for me.
We've only been married for afew years.
I can't take it, I can't fake itanymore.
My husband's a jerk.
Um I'm like, You want to do thisright now in front of God and
everyone?
And so we start arguing.
(14:30):
Okay.
And everybody thinks it's askit.
SPEAKER_02 (14:33):
Oh, really?
SPEAKER_01 (14:34):
It's not a skit.
SPEAKER_02 (14:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:36):
And Pastor Green comes after me and says, I don't
care if you pass for the largestchurch in America.
If you don't take care ofbusiness at home, you're not.
And I just snapped.
I said, Yeah, well, I figuredI'm gonna get fired.
I'm gonna take him out.
I charge him.
SPEAKER_02 (14:48):
Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_01 (14:49):
And in the middle of the room, I hit the Holy Spirit,
hits me with a one-inch BruceLee.
I fell to the ground and I beganto weep because I knew he was
right and she was right.
And I repented for 30 minutes,like falling.
SPEAKER_02 (15:05):
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_01 (15:06):
Which nobody knew what to do.
Like, do we call the Catholicpriest?
Because this is this is anexorcism situation.
Right, right.
And the most humiliating momentof my life saved my marriage.
Because everybody knew.
And uh older couples came aroundus, and my wife and I are, you
know, 35 years strong now.
Not that we never argue orfight, but way better now.
(15:31):
Uh and um, you know, I mean,just being real.
I mean, yeah, it was a rough,rough start, but yeah, have a
strong finish by God's grace.
SPEAKER_00 (15:41):
So, like, what would you say to, I mean, I I've I see
it in, you know, people inbusiness, in ministry, um, you
know, our calling, if we want touse calling, um sometimes we get
too many calls in our callingand we need to put the phone
(16:02):
down, have boundaries.
Um and and especially if youlove what you're doing, right?
What would you say to somebodywho, you know, I do talk to a
lot of women who tend to be moredoers, right?
They they're just, you know,even me, I had to come out of
doing.
I I'm generationally a doer.
(16:23):
It's a very hard road to comeout of that.
But what would you say tosomebody, like, what are the I
don't know, key indicators oflike the check engine light is
on like what what's going onwith you personally?
Like, I can imagine that youwere probably experiencing some
things even.
Um, but what would you say tosomebody about this?
SPEAKER_01 (16:43):
Well, I would say too, you know, I it's no
different in ministry, like, youknow, there's uh I'm very
entrepreneurial, I'm a doer.
Yeah, you we we want to ourvision of dear to share is every
teen everywhere hearing thegospel from a friend.
That's a billion teens.
And we've we've trainedmillions, but it's not a billion
yet.
So I'm like night and daythinking about this stuff,
right?
(17:03):
Yeah.
So whether it's producing somesort of you know, widget in a
company or whether it's a socialmedia, you know, a marketing
company, or it doesn't matter,ministry and entrepreneurial
spirit can take you over andconsume you.
So I think one of the thingsthat's helped me is becoming
half monk, half missionary.
SPEAKER_02 (17:25):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (17:25):
And what I mean by that is making sure every day,
number one, I'm cultivating myrelationship with the Lord.
Yes, I'm in prayer and I'm inthe word.
Uh and because that will showitself in my marriage.
Yes, like the the rightpriority.
(17:46):
Number two, one of the things wedo on a very practical level is
we take a vacation every year,and a lot of times little ones
too.
In addition, as a family, wespend time together.
And we go on a lot of walks, wego on prayer walks.
So we'll walk somewhere and talkabout our day, and then on the
way back we'll pray.
SPEAKER_02 (18:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:05):
And you know, I think the family that prays
together, stay together, juststay stay connected to divine
and just be aware.
Like, I think just knowing thatcheck engine like look, you
know, don't just crank up theradio when you hear something.
Right, right, right.
Okay, let's do this stuff out.
So ours has not been a straightline, ours has been zigzagging.
(18:29):
Okay.
unknown (18:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:31):
It's still zigzagging.
You know, every I always sayevery marriage is either a waltz
or a tango.
Waltzes are, you know, those arethe couples that never fight and
they always seem to be in sync.
It's a beautiful dance.
Tango is like, you lead, no, Ilead, now kiss me, now dance.
And you know, we have a tango.
Yeah, but it works for us.
(18:51):
Yeah, yeah.
Tango when it's done is abeautiful dance when it's done
well.
Yeah.
And uh I think you gotta yougotta keep dancing and figuring
it out.
SPEAKER_00 (19:01):
Yes, yes.
So what like what would be maybea check engine like indicator
for you that comes up that youknow you gotta get yourself back
in check on that, like anotherrhythm of maybe a rhythm of rest
or you know, what have you?
SPEAKER_01 (19:16):
I mean my my calendar is is like when I talk
to my wife and I see her faceturn pale because of my travel
schedule.
I'm like, okay, this out.
So to fix some of that is like,okay, well, which of these trips
would you like to go with me on?
(19:38):
That's great.
Nebraska, I'm on my own.
But if I'm California or Hawaii,she's like, you know, I think we
need to start out, or whatever,you know.
SPEAKER_00 (19:46):
I'm guessing she probably doesn't want to come
here to Minnesota either.
SPEAKER_01 (19:49):
You don't mind Minnesota's I mean, those five
months a year.
SPEAKER_00 (19:54):
Yeah, well, as long as you're not coming in the
winter, you're probably good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (19:59):
Yeah.
She's going back to Minnesota.
SPEAKER_00 (20:01):
So the calendar is a big thing for you.
SPEAKER_01 (20:05):
The calendar's a big thing.
And I think also justnon-verbal, like if there's, you
know, I just uh I've beenblessed with uh a curse.
And the curse is I cannotoperate if my wife is upset with
me.
I can't do anything.
SPEAKER_02 (20:22):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (20:23):
So we we have to we've we we work on that stuff,
you know.
SPEAKER_00 (20:29):
Yeah.
Well, it's almost like a car.
I mean, you can't run yourengine without a transmission,
right?
So it's like it's a beautifulpartnership that it sounds like
you guys have.
And you know, all too many um,you know, couples just don't get
into that rhythm.
And unfortunately, we're seeinga lot of fallout from you know,
people going their separateways.
(20:50):
And um, I love that you reallyhonor you, it sounds like you
both honor one another in that.
SPEAKER_01 (20:56):
So yeah.
And I think, I think justfiguring it out, you know.
I mean, it was so much easierwhen I was reading those
marriage books before you gotmarried.
Like raising kids, like, oh,it's gonna be like bowling, just
fall.
SPEAKER_00 (21:11):
Right, right, yeah.
Wait to expect when you'reexpecting it's supposed to, it's
all supposed to turn out thatway, right?
SPEAKER_01 (21:18):
Prayer and duct tape, man.
That's what that's like.
Just ask it's humbling, yeah,and it's awesome.
SPEAKER_00 (21:24):
Yes.
What would be like one of thebiggest marriage advice um keys
that you'd give to somebodywho's maybe just getting married
now?
What would you say to somebody?
SPEAKER_01 (21:37):
I would say fight through the breakthrough.
Like don't let it go.
Don't let stuff simmer.
Like sometimes you need time toprocess, I understand that, but
I'm saying don't just keep goinglike nothing's wrong.
Right.
Figure it out.
Get to the root of it.
(21:58):
Ask for forgiveness, don't saysorry.
I was wrong, will you forgiveme?
SPEAKER_00 (22:05):
That's powerful.
SPEAKER_01 (22:06):
And keep doing that.
You know, I I I just imagine abloody cross in the middle of
our living room that I need tokeep going back to.
SPEAKER_02 (22:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:18):
Like communion, like remembering God forgiveness.
I need to forgive, I need to askfor forgiveness.
SPEAKER_02 (22:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:26):
Humble yourself and asking forgiveness when you and
granting forgiveness.
unknown (22:30):
No.
SPEAKER_01 (22:31):
They're asking, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (22:33):
Amen.
That's good.
SPEAKER_01 (22:34):
70 times seven, seventy times seven.
Again and again.
Really infinity, you know.
That's another way to sayprotect as you've been forgiven.
You forgot.
SPEAKER_00 (22:46):
So good.
Yeah.
Somebody, you know, take that toheart, you know, especially if
you're gonna be married soon oryou're in the middle.
I I think the first, I don'tknow about you, but the first,
even for me, like the first fiveyears, you're just you're still
like getting acclimated to eachother.
It's like we're kind offoreigners in a way, and you're
weird, and I'm weird, and youknow what I mean?
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We've been together on our endfor 29 years.
So, you know, at this point,you're just you you kind of
start answering each other'ssentences, and in the beginning,
you're like, what are you eventalking about?
Right?
SPEAKER_01 (23:19):
Yeah, and I and I and you just gotta, you gotta
just break like don't give up.
Like yeah.
And you know, I'm I know there'sprobably somebody listening
that, you know, there's thosewho have been divorced.
I mean, there's forgiveness andrestoration through Christ.
We know that.
So I'm not wanna be like planetfitness, no guilt zone here.
(23:39):
Like God is done.
If you're if you are married orgoing to be married, um stick
with it, you know, work out andfight through the breakthrough.
And by the power of the HolySpirit, things can and and don't
keep it quiet.
Like if you have struggles, youknow.
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I mean, if you need counseling,you know, pastoral counseling,
whatever.
I mean, prayer.
Yeah, conf, you know, James 5,you know, says confess your sins
one to another that you may behealed.
And somebody once put it likethis we confess our sins to God
for forgiveness.
Yeah, we confess to each otherfor healing.
SPEAKER_02 (24:19):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (24:20):
No, don't don't just you know keep it to yourself.
SPEAKER_00 (24:25):
Yeah.
Like you said, I I like to sayyou gotta keep going through to
get to the breakthrough.
You can't just stop, you can'tjust give up, you gotta keep
going.
So with you on that trail.
Well, let's talk a little bitmore about um Dare to Share.
And I I remember you telling meyou have a book, which I love
that the title too.
So let's let's talk about umDare to Share first.
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And what have you been doing?
Um, I love again the nameobviously came out of this
encounter your uncle had.
Um, tell us more about this andum you know the impact I know
you're making for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (25:01):
Well, you know, so Yankee, this hillbilly preacher,
was really a youth leader, youknow, who happened to be the
senior pastor.
He we had 800 teenagers in ouryouth group.
We had 300 adults, 300 adults inour church.
SPEAKER_02 (25:16):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (25:17):
He believed the fastest way to reach a city was
by mobilizing young people withand for the gospel.
SPEAKER_02 (25:22):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (25:23):
And so we did it.
I mean, we we reached people forChrist, we discipled them as
teenagers.
SPEAKER_02 (25:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (25:31):
Um, not because we were uh extraordinary teens, we
were ordinary teens, but we werewe were given training and
equipping.
And so when I uh planted thechurch, I still had that heart
for youth ministry, of course,at our church, but I was like,
man, that same DNA needs to bein every youth group.
So many times youth groups arejust, you know, they entertain,
(25:52):
they do some songs, they playsome games, and they do a short
lesson, they do camp, they doretreat.
And we wonder why our kids areleaving their faith after they
graduate.
Right.
It's because we're not givingthem a mission.
When I was a 12-year-old, I wasgiven a mission to go and make
disciples of all nations.
And I was taken seriously, and Iwas given the tools to
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accomplish a serious mission.
Um I just thought that's whatyouth ministry was.
And then I got out and I'm like,what in the world?
You guys just play games, havepizza, do a short lesson?
How lame is that?
No wonder kids are leaving.
Right.
So we started this missionbasically to change the way
youth ministry is done acrossthe United States and now around
the world.
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How do we become how do wemobilize this next generation as
missionaries now and later?
Yeah, right.
Whatever and whatever jobthey're gonna do, right?
Whatever college they go to, um,and whatever high school they're
at or middle school they're at.
So we started with bigconferences.
We used to do big conferences,like we'd go to Grace Church up
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in Eden Prayer.
We've been in arenas from coastto coast, fill these events,
train them, mobilize them all toshare Christ.
And then uh over the years itshifted to kind of a simulcast
model, and now it's on demand.
So it every November we do a dayof global youth evangelism where
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youth leaders last year was in110 countries, six churches
trained and equipped, and allthe kids are mobilized to share
the gospel.
Um, it's called the Day ofGlobal Youth Evangelism.
It's completely free, but it'shigh quality training.
SPEAKER_02 (27:36):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (27:36):
And uh what our goal is every teen everywhere hearing
the gospel from a friend, onebillion teens hearing the
gospel.
And so so, you know, been doingthat.
We have tons of free curriculum,tools, resources.
I've been blessed at Dare toShare for 30 years.
Our first time, first full-timeemployee was not me.
It was a lady named DebbieBrissina.
unknown (27:57):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (27:58):
Came out of high-tech and marketing.
She had her own marketing firmand strategy firm.
She started volunteering forDare to Share.
Her heart broke for the nextgeneration.
The reason we've been able totrain millions of teens is not
because of Greg Steer, it'sbecause of Debbie Brissina and
uh the brilliant leadershipshe's brought to the ministry
for 30 years.
SPEAKER_00 (28:18):
Um we thank you, Debbie.
We thank you for the Debras thatare coming around you.
SPEAKER_01 (28:25):
I know.
I got D1 and D2.
SPEAKER_00 (28:28):
Like I I think of Deborah in the Bible.
I'm like, wow, he's got the theDebras.
unknown (28:32):
I know.
SPEAKER_01 (28:33):
I've all my life I've been surrounded by strong
women, like my mom, veryliterally physically strong and
every level strong.
My wife, yeah, very strong, andDebbie Racina, very strong.
Um, praise the Lord.
SPEAKER_00 (28:48):
Yeah.
Well, I want to have you for asecond.
So the day of global um you saidyouth, uh, is is that coming up
soon?
It's November 8th.
November 8th.
SPEAKER_01 (29:00):
It's um just if people can find it on
daretoshare.org.
That's the number two, and justlook under events.
And it can be done by a youthgroup, it can be done, it can
literally be done in somebody'sliving room.
Okay.
Um because there's training andequipping, it's all on demand,
it's all free.
There's only one requirement.
Okay.
(29:21):
Okay.
You gotta go out and shareChrist after the training.
We make you check a box, like Iwill go out to share.
And if you're not willing to goout and share, then we don't we
won't let you download thevideo.
SPEAKER_00 (29:34):
So do you have like so once they you know download
the videos and watch them, um,is there like accountability for
people beyond checking the box?
Like, what does that look like?
SPEAKER_01 (29:45):
Yeah, so basically it's mostly a lot of youth
pastors do this.
So they we give the youthleaders the tools and resources
to keep the students accountablethroughout the year.
Okay.
Uh we have free curriculum, butparents do it.
I mean, you keep your kids andtheir friends.
I you know, I've been taking Youknow, growing up years, my kids
out for years sharing thegospel.
I'm the yeah, I keep themaccountable.
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They keep me accountable too.
SPEAKER_02 (30:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:08):
If we're at the restaurant, you know, my wife
and I, you know, didn't pray forthe server and begin a gospel
conversation.
So kids were like dad and mom.
So it's co-accountability.
Isn't it great?
Learning how to share yourfaith.
I believe, you know, the parentsout there, especially parents of
you know, older elementary andteenager years, we got to equip
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our young people to share thegospel.
That and that's what we do atDare to Share.
So what we do the day of global,you can do the day of global
youth evangelism actuallyanytime.
SPEAKER_02 (30:40):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (30:40):
After no, you know, November 8th or after.
SPEAKER_02 (30:43):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (30:44):
Um, and you can like do this together as a family.
And maybe like what I always didwas I got my daughter and my
son, and then I get theirfriends.
Okay.
And then we would equip them,and then we would go out.
SPEAKER_00 (30:57):
Oh wow.
unknown (30:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (30:58):
So what would that what would that look like?
So somebody is like, you know,sharing the gospel.
Let's just say somebody maybehasn't heard that at their
church before for some reason.
What would that look like forsomebody tangibly to go out?
SPEAKER_01 (31:11):
So there's a lot, we have different ways that you can
do that.
Like you can you can, you know,call some friends and get
together with them and have agospel conversation.
You could go out to the city andand you know, we did a thing
called pizza prayer andproclamation where we bought a
pizza.
We'd go to homeless people andsay, Would you like a slice?
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And they always say yes,especially if it's a good pizza,
and pray for you.
And we would segue into a gospelconversation.
Do you have any spiritualbeliefs?
And we we do all the practicaltraining.
How do you bring it up?
How do you share it?
How do you turn an everydayconversation into a spiritual
conversation?
Actually, if you go ontoYouTube, look up Greg Steer,
(31:52):
Crash Course and Evangelism,there's a five-minute crash
course video I did on how toshare faith with anyone,
anywhere, anytime.
SPEAKER_00 (31:59):
Well, I will link that up in the show notes for
people to talk about it.
Um so you said it's crash coursefor evangelism.
SPEAKER_01 (32:05):
Yeah, uh Greg Steer, S-T-I-E-R, Crash Course and
Evangelism, and it'll pop rightup.
SPEAKER_00 (32:10):
Okay.
Yeah.
And I'm sure you have a lot morevideos too.
SPEAKER_01 (32:14):
Yeah.
And we have videos, we havecurriculum, we have and all of
our uh digital curriculum isfree.
SPEAKER_00 (32:20):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (32:20):
It's designed for youth ministry, but parents can
use it with their kids.
SPEAKER_00 (32:24):
Okay.
Amazing.
Through your yes, you've reachedmillions.
Um, I would love for you toshare like first, first person
that comes to mind, maybe the,you know, outside of your
family, obviously they've hadmassive transformation that only
God could have orchestrated,right?
Um, think of like a youth orsomebody that comes to mind that
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you just your mind was blown,like the work that Jesus did
through them.
Um through, I mean, true, truly,it's through our yes that we get
to see a ripple effect, right?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (32:59):
Yeah, and the power of the gospel, don't
underestimate it.
Like people are like, well, I'mnot gifted, it doesn't matter.
It's like a grenade.
Yeah.
Um, it doesn't matter if you'regifted at throwing grenades or
not.
You pull the pen, it's gonnaexplode.
Like there's power in the gospelmessage.
Yeah.
I take a one story, this guy'sname was Kevin, and I was at the
(33:23):
mall.
Okay.
I just had a spirit prompt.
He was with three dudes, lateteens, early twenties, all
talking trash to the girls.
I mean, something kicks me off.
Yeah.
The Spirit of God was like, gotell them about Jesus.
I'm like, no, I don't want totell them about Jesus.
Yeah.
(33:43):
But I had to say yes.
And so I started a conversation.
These guys were drunk, they weremocking me.
All this stuff.
And I'm like, hey, I got thisbook in my car.
It's called More Than aCarpenter by Josh McDowell.
When you sober up, yeah, wouldyou read it?
And he goes, I'll read yourblanking book.
(34:05):
And so I went ahead and dug itout of my car, gave it to him.
SPEAKER_02 (34:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (34:08):
Didn't think anything of it.
Ten years later, I came walkingin my office, threw that book
across the room, landed on mydesk.
He goes, I read your book 10years ago.
I trusted Christ as my savior.
And um, and I've been servingthe Lord ever since.
I carry like 50 of these booksin my car.
I pass them out to everybody.
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I'm like, what in the how didyou find me?
I didn't put my what in theworld.
He said, I I I goes, I teachSunday school at Crossroads
Church, and all my middleschoolers went to Dare to Share
this last weekend, and they toldme about this guy that went to
Westminster Mall and sharedChrist with complete strangers.
Oh my goodness.
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I was like, oh my goodness.
So you just never know thepattern of the gospel, yeah,
random to some drunk guy, yeah,totally changed the trajectory
of his wife.
SPEAKER_00 (35:08):
I mean, you can't, and it's I like to say you can't
make this stuff up, right?
And here's here's the thing,like maybe you could touch on a
little bit.
Um, and just even in my ownwalk, when I've like I tend to
meet people all the time.
My kids used to be like, mom,please don't meet anybody new at
the grocery store.
Like, um, you know, sometimesit's a matter, like I again, I I
(35:31):
think you would agree, like justbeing so attuned to Holy Spirit
and and what you're to share andhow much to share.
And yeah, sometimes you're gonnago all in with the gospel
message, right?
Sometimes it's truly like atleast for me, um, and I might be
missing the mark, but sometimessomebody just literally just
needs a smile or they just needsomebody to say hello and ask
(35:52):
how your day is going.
Um, you gave a book, you didn'tnecessarily like lead them to
Christ that day yourself, right?
Could you touch on that a littlebit?
Because I think sometimes peoplethink I am responsible for this
person's salvation.
SPEAKER_01 (36:11):
Yeah, and so there's a balance in there, right?
So I call it three dot theology.
So dot three dot three dotnumber one is it's God's
responsibility to save, right?
Yeah, he can flip the switchfrom off to on.
Dot number two, it's ourresponsibility to share, right?
I want to hear from a preacher.
(36:31):
Dot number three, it's theirresponsibility to believe.
And here's the key don't connectthe dots.
Just own your dot.
Your dot is to share the gospel,right?
And again, using wisdom whentiming, when you lean in, when
you not, when you go all theway, when you just so what we do
is we train uh not justteenagers, we train hundreds of
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thousands of adults in this.
Three words ask, admire, admit.
So ask questions, get to knowthem.
Yeah, turn it spiritual.
It gets a little awkwardsometimes, but that's fine.
We have a saying, awkward isawesome, because that's I love
that.
Yeah.
So do you go to church anywhere?
Is there anywhere I can pray foryou?
Do you have any spiritualbeliefs?
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So you turn that conversation,like Jesus with the woman at the
well, turn the conversationabout water to living water,
right?
So we turn it spiritual, becauseawkward is awesome.
Then we find out what theybelieve and we admire what we
can.
Well, I'm a Muslim.
Well, you know what?
Muslims pray five times a day,that's to be commended.
Or I'm a Mormon.
Well, Mormon is a committed tomission, and that's to be
committed.
Or I'm I'm a Catholic.
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Well, you have a spiritualbelief and in God and the
Trinity, you know.
You find what you can to admire.
That doesn't mean you agree withall their theology.
Then you admit the reason you'rea Christian is you're so sinful,
you need a Jesus to save you.
And that's when you share yourstory.
So ask, admire, admit.
But it does two things.
One, for an evangelist like me,it slows me down.
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Because I want to go right toit, you know.
Well, it's here, it's hot inhell too.
Let me tell you, you know.
My wife, who's very relational.
SPEAKER_00 (38:09):
Yeah, I was gonna ask how what does she how does
she operate?
SPEAKER_01 (38:12):
It actually speeds her up because she would
perpetually build a bridge.
Okay.
If she could, so it actuallygets her to the gospel faster
than she normally would.
Okay.
Because she's good at asking,she's gonna lean to that admire
and then admit.
And so I think ask, admire,admit is a is a great segue to
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normalizing gospel conversationsin everyday life.
SPEAKER_00 (38:40):
So do you find yourself like every day, like
everywhere you go?
Like, do you have a day thatdoesn't go by that you're not
leaning into being evangelist?
SPEAKER_01 (38:51):
Here's what here's what I would say is I pray for
Bob every day.
B-O-B.
I pray for a burden for thelost, an opportunity to share
Christ that day, and theboldness to walk through the
door.
And I would say more often thannot, God answers that prayer.
SPEAKER_00 (39:07):
I love that.
So say Bob again.
What's the acronym again?
SPEAKER_01 (39:10):
B-O-B.
Every my life is an acronym.
Uh burden for the lost.
O is opportunity uh to shareChrist that day, and B is the
boldness to walk through thedoor when God answers that
prayer.
So I pray for Bob every day.
Burden, opportunity, andboldness.
SPEAKER_00 (39:27):
I love that.
Do you have do you have that onyour website somewhere?
SPEAKER_01 (39:31):
Like, no, that actually came from my buddy Dave
Gibson up at Grace Church inEden Prairie.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (39:36):
Really?
SPEAKER_01 (39:37):
And I yeah, he's the was the missions pastor there
for years, and I just I stole itfrom him.
It's great.
SPEAKER_00 (39:42):
That's so good.
I I love those acronyms becauseit really helps you remember,
right?
Yeah, exactly.
Bob, I'm gonna pray for Bob too.
SPEAKER_01 (39:50):
Yeah, and God, you just be ready when those
opportunities arise.
SPEAKER_00 (39:54):
Yeah.
Have you ever had anybody likeblatantly, you know, push you
away?
I guess you could say like tellus a crazy story.
I want to hear a crazy story.
A radical story.
Let's use that word.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:09):
Well, I remember when I was a teenager, I I
talked to a Satanist at themall.
Okay.
And he literally said he wasgoing to burn with Satan forever
and ever in hell.
I thought it was gonna beat meup.
And two hours later, uh, he waswith uh six girls in this little
restaurant inside the mall,three on one side, three on the
(40:31):
other.
And he starts yelling, heyreligion man, and everybody's
looking at me.
I'm like, oh my goodness.
Felt like a superhero, you know,religion.
I walk over, yes, and he's like,Tell my girlfriend your stupid
religious speech, and they'reall mocking me.
SPEAKER_02 (40:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:48):
Well, they start listening, and the Satanist is
getting upset.
Girls are locked in at the end.
They ended up trusting Christ.
He tried to get out from abehind the table to beat me up.
He was way bigger than me.
But these girls had him wedgedin the corner of the booth and
they wouldn't let him out.
So I was like, guess what,Satanist?
God wins again.
(41:11):
Religion man wins.
Religion man wins the day.
I mean, just crazy.
I've been picked up on mythroat, I've been spat at
slapped, I've been all thatstuff.
But you know, it's allpersecution light.
There's people, there'sChristians in Nigeria, they're
dying every day for their faith.
SPEAKER_02 (41:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (41:27):
Literally being slaughtered.
SPEAKER_02 (41:29):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (41:31):
So, you know, a little slapping can hurt you.
SPEAKER_00 (41:35):
What what do you like?
What are you sensing for, youknow, uh just even in the times
we're in right now, we're seeingum, you know, things are kicking
up a little, wouldn't you say?
SPEAKER_01 (41:46):
I would, I would definitely say, yeah.
Just a little.
It's a great time for revival.
And it's also a it's also apotential time of train wrecking
if we're not careful.
Um the winds of revival areblowing.
We have to hoist the sail ofprayer.
Uh, we need to get filled withthe spirit.
And what I mean by that, equalparts, courage and compassion.
(42:11):
We need to have that courage,and we also need to have
compassion, and we need to steerthis ship toward the Great
Commission because we don't donot want to crash on the shore
of lesser things.
So we need to keep it focusedprimarily on Christ and Him
crucified and making itmultiplying disciples.
(42:34):
And that will change our nationfrom the inside out.
SPEAKER_00 (42:37):
Absolutely.
Do you find that the kids arehungrier right now than ever
before?
SPEAKER_01 (42:43):
Gen Z men, yeah, the stats are out, up.
The um 50, I think it's 15%attendance among Gen Z boys in
church.
I think it's crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (42:56):
So you say it's more young men than girls at this
point right now?
SPEAKER_01 (43:00):
Young men, at least, or what I would say are young
men are at least making acomeback towards spiritual
things.
I think they're looking foranswers.
I think there's been a lot ofobviously, you know, since the
Charlie Kirk assassination,there's been that.
But even before then, I thinkthey're they're looking for
definitive answers.
On the negative side, you gotpodcasters like Andrew Tate that
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are, you know, are draggingpeople down in a um in a whole
different level, you know.
Um, but they're givingdefinitive answers.
You got guys like Joe Rogan thatare given definitive answers.
You got people like Jordan uhPeters giving definitive
answers.
Well, we need to give definitiveanswers that are rooted in
scripture, that are rooted inthe authority of God's word.
(43:42):
And I think they're looking,they're looking for answers
because it's so confusingbecause all they do is swipe and
you're getting a thousandanswers a day.
What is true?
When you when you when you'reable to say, man, this book,
this this word of God, not theword of Google or TikTok, word
of God is true.
And here's why.
Then I think people, you know,young young people resonate
(44:04):
toward that.
SPEAKER_00 (44:05):
Yes.
Who like who other than you asbeing somebody that can help
influence these young people?
Who would you recommend?
Like if you if there's somemoms, dads listening in today,
or even the young people, likewho would you recommend they
like books or um resources outthere to to really tap into?
Do you have some that you'd beyeah?
SPEAKER_01 (44:26):
I mean, you know, Jenny Allen's got a lot of great
stuff.
Um she's really helped some ofher books have helped my
daughter.
Um I mean, I think uh CraigRochelle has got some stuff.
There's phenomenal Louis Giglio,Shane Pruitt.
Um yeah, there's a lot.
If you start looking, there'syou know, some good solid
(44:48):
Christian stuff that they canthey can follow.
You know, I mean you know, it'sa lot of and I I think some old
timey preachers.
I mean, yeah.
I listened to Erwin Lutzer, uhChuck Swindahl.
Those are great old, you know, Imean, I think Chuck Swindl is
(45:08):
close to 90 now.
SPEAKER_02 (45:10):
Oh wow can reach.
SPEAKER_01 (45:12):
That's amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (45:13):
Yeah, that's where it's that's where you know I
would say, like, you don't needto retire, you need to refire.
Yeah, that's right.
If you're called into something,you're not gonna want to quit.
SPEAKER_02 (45:22):
That's exactly right.
SPEAKER_00 (45:24):
Are you quitting?
Are you ever gonna quit?
SPEAKER_02 (45:27):
Me?
SPEAKER_00 (45:28):
Yeah.
No.
No, no.
Okay.
Well, I know you have aresource, another resource.
I want to make sure we don'tforget about it.
You have a book, or do you havemore than one book?
SPEAKER_01 (45:38):
I I have a I've written 23 books, actually,
believe it or not.
Yeah, you have volumes.
23 books you've never heard of.
No.
Um, most of them to teenagersand youth leaders, but um the
last two have been for uheveryone for adults.
Um one is called UnlikelyFighter, which is a memoir.
(45:59):
It's 22 chapters long.
SPEAKER_02 (46:02):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (46:02):
First 21 chapters happened before I turned 16.
So it's really about growing upin this crazy family.
So it's a wild story.
Unfiltered.
SPEAKER_02 (46:11):
Umfiltered?
SPEAKER_01 (46:13):
It's unfiltered.
Okay.
I was talking about TyndalePublishing, and to they're like,
there's too much violence inthis book.
I'm like, have you read theBible?
SPEAKER_00 (46:22):
Yeah, it's real, real story.
SPEAKER_01 (46:24):
Yeah, real story.
So um, so they said yes, praisethe Lord.
Um so and it's also an Audible.
So I will read it to you myselfif you get it on Audible.
Um, and then the my latest bookis called Radical Like Jesus.
It's 21 challenges to live arevolutionary life.
So 21 snapshots of the life ofJesus from the time he's 12 to
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the time he ascends into heaven,with every chapter's got a
challenge that you take beforeyou read the next chapter.
So it's a great to do as afamily together.
SPEAKER_00 (46:58):
I've never heard of a book like that before.
Like what what what how how didyou get this?
I mean, I'm I'm assuming I liketo say Holy Ghost writer writes
books, but like what was whathappened?
Like, were you out walking oneday and it like that?
Tell us more about that.
SPEAKER_01 (47:14):
How did you get sick of all the just everything's
let's have a meaning, let's haveanother study.
I'm like, are we gonna actuallydo anything?
Like, we're not here just toexegete the text, we have to
execute the mission.
Say that again.
No, we don't want to justexegete the text.
We want to do that.
We want to draw out the meaningof the text and you know
(47:36):
understand, but we have toexecute the mission.
Don't just be hearers of theword, be doers.
SPEAKER_02 (47:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (47:43):
And Jesus blessed are you if you do these things.
Not just cure these things,teaching them to obey everything
I've commanded you.
It's part of the greatcommission.
And it's not just teaching them,it's teaching them to obey.
And so this book is really aboutactivating radical like Jesus is
about activating your faith uhin very real-world um
(48:07):
situations.
And it goes from spiritualdisciplines to actual evangelism
where there will be somechallenges.
SPEAKER_00 (48:14):
Yeah.
Um you give us an example?
Like, would you be open togiving us like one challenge?
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (48:20):
So I'll give you the hardest challenge.
So all the challenges are brokenup into easy, medium, and
difficult.
SPEAKER_00 (48:28):
Now, is it based on how far you get in the book, or
you get to two?
SPEAKER_01 (48:32):
No, no, no, I just mix it up.
So some of them, some of themare easy, some of them are
medium.
Okay.
Just a few of them aredifficult.
Well, one of the I'll give youthe most difficult one for a lot
of people.
And it's to as a couple or as agroup, go where there's homeless
pe uh population, find ahomeless person, see if you can
(48:53):
take them out to lunch or dinnerand hear their story, and if
possible, share the gospel.
SPEAKER_02 (48:58):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (48:59):
This absolutely mortified my lovely bride.
SPEAKER_02 (49:03):
Who did it?
SPEAKER_01 (49:04):
Oh my goodness.
Until we went.
And we found this homeless guy.
SPEAKER_02 (49:11):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (49:12):
And he was I think he thought I was some kind of
trafficker.
SPEAKER_02 (49:17):
Oh no.
SPEAKER_01 (49:19):
And my wife goes, please don't be afraid of my
husband.
Come with us, let us buy youdinner.
And we just want to talk to you,just want to hear your story.
Well, my wife could get anybodyto do anything because she's so
sweet.
He came and he told us his wholestory.
And now he became homeless andit was interesting.
(49:39):
And I shared the gospel withhim.
And he didn't place his faith inChrist, but we said goodbye.
I thought my wife was gonna cry.
And she told me, it was just shewalked away and she said, I will
never view a homeless person thesame again.
I will view all of them as athey have they have a story.
SPEAKER_02 (49:57):
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (50:01):
So there's 21 challenges.
That's the probably the hardestone.
Okay.
But all of them will shift youto be more and more radical like
Jesus.
Not a radical for Jesus.
We don't need any more of them.
We need radicals who are likeJesus.
SPEAKER_00 (50:18):
So powerful.
I am so getting your book.
And I'm gonna recommend it to mymembers.
SPEAKER_01 (50:23):
I'll send you, I'll I'll send you one.
SPEAKER_00 (50:26):
So I love that word radical.
I think it's amazing.
I shared with you before we gotstarted.
There's a a movie that Irecently watched.
And, you know, part of what I doeven with clients, I tell them
about movies to go watch.
And this movie is so powerful.
Um, it's called Radical.
It's it's in Spanish, you know,English subtitles.
(50:46):
So good about a teacher and justyeah, radical.
SPEAKER_01 (50:52):
Yeah.
Well, I'm gonna watch it with mywife because she's a teacher,
she's a radical teacher.
SPEAKER_00 (50:57):
It's so good.
I I do feel like you know, somany of us um are called to to
come out of the box, whateverthat looks like in different
ways.
I like to say I I don't fit in abox, I burn boxes.
There you go.
Um, because he he's Jesus waswild.
I mean, he truly was, likeaccording to the world standard,
(51:18):
right?
What do you think is the likewildest thing about Jesus that
you there's a book out calledJesus Mean and Wild.
SPEAKER_01 (51:25):
It's interesting.
What is it called?
Jesus Mean and Wild.
Oh and it's it's you know he'sactually very pro-Jesus.
This is uh, you know, uh umJesus.
I think he knew how to comfortthe afflicted and afflict the
comforted.
He cleaned out the temple twice.
SPEAKER_02 (51:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (51:47):
And once at the beginning of his ministry, once
at the end, some people estimateup to 5,000 money changers.
That he there's at leasthundreds.
Because he had such a zeal forthe honor of his father and such
a love for the broken, yeah.
The way he interacted with thewoman at the well.
(52:08):
Jewish men wouldn't even talk toJewish women in public, let
alone Samaritan women, right?
Would consider less than dogs bythe Jewish community.
But here Jesus is purposelygoing through Samaritan.
I mean, yeah, every story.
I mean, that's it was one of thefun things about writing radical
like Jesus is just saying, oh mygoodness, yeah, he was radical
(52:29):
on every level.
Yes.
You know, yeah.
I mean, even as a 12-year-old.
He picks up in the back to justhang out and ask questions for
three days.
I don't even know where I wassaying, where did he sleep?
Or did he sleep?
Did he just and he wassynthesizing his systematic
(52:51):
theology because they're theywere amazed at his
understanding, and that word iskind of the synthesis word.
He is he's put things togetherfaster than everything else.
He's processing it, you know.
Yeah, anyway, just Jesus isradical.
SPEAKER_00 (53:08):
Yes.
Well, who's who's your favoritelike person in the Bible besides
Jesus?
SPEAKER_01 (53:15):
I'd say old testament's David.
I just I love young David,especially.
Young and hungry David, liketelling Goliath.
SPEAKER_02 (53:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (53:27):
I love that story.
I imagine him as a 15-year-oldbecause he had seven older
brothers, and only the threeoldest were old enough to fight,
and to be 20 years old and olderto fight.
There's a good chance he waslike 15.
Um he was definitely a teenager.
(53:48):
Yeah, and then the apostle Paulin the New Testament, Paul.
Yeah, just relentless apostle tothe Gentiles and beat up, torn
up, yeah, right, missing someteeth from all the stonings and
beatings.
SPEAKER_00 (54:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (54:10):
Yes, God used them in powerful ways.
I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (54:12):
Tenacious is all get up, right?
SPEAKER_01 (54:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (54:17):
Well, this has been incredibly fun.
And I'm so thankful for just theway that God, you know, rescued
you, you know, at your youngage, your whole family, like
just the ripple effect of youryes.
It's I'm sure it's incredible tothink of um when you share your
story again, right?
Um, if you were to think of thatone who's listening in today,
(54:40):
um, do you have anything thatyou would like to share of them?
Any words of encouragement orwisdom that you'd be led to
share?
And then would you pray us outtoday?
SPEAKER_01 (54:48):
Sure, I'll do it.
Um, I would say this if youdon't know that you know that
you know that you have eternallife, that you are saved, that
you are going to heaven when youdie, that God loves you.
He created you to be in arelationship with him.
He says, in our sins, theyseparate us from him.
He's a holy God.
(55:09):
And those sins cannot be removedby good deeds.
So we're under God's wrath andheaded toward hell, and there's
nothing we can do about it.
So God did something about it.
2,000 years ago, he sent his sonJesus into the world, and Jesus
became one of us, the God man.
Lived a perfect life we couldnever live, and died the death
that we deserve, paid the pricefor all of our sins, past,
(55:29):
present, and future on thecross.
He said, It is finished.
You died, he was buried, he roseagain, proving he wasn't just
another historical figure, hewas God in the flesh.
And now everyone who simplytrusts in him alone has eternal
life.
It's not by trying, it's bytrusting in Jesus and what he
did for you on the cross.
And as soon as you trust in himand say, God save me, I can't
(55:50):
save myself.
You need to please save me.
In that moment of faith, youreceive the gift of eternal
life.
And that life that Jesus startsnow and lasts forever.
It's not a license to sin, it'sa reason to serve God with all
your heart because you'regrateful for the free gift of
eternal life.
So if you've never placed yourfaith in him, trust in Jesus
right now, receive that gift ofeternal life.
(56:12):
If you have already trusted inhim, share that message.
You got the winning lottoticket.
You got something worse thancancer.
Share it with everyone you canin a loving, compassionate,
prayerful way.
And God can use you.
Let me pray for you.
Father, I just thank you forthis time.
Thank you for this podcast.
(56:33):
Use it to encourage many uh withthe hope of Jesus Christ, the
power of the gospel and thepotential of young people.
In Jesus' name.
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (56:42):
Amen.
Well, thank you, Greg, for beinga brave voice who's setting so
many free.
I'm gonna close with theanchoring verse over Hope
Unlocked.
It's may the God of hope fillyou with all joy and peace and
believing, so that by the powerof the Holy Spirit you may
abound in hope.
And that's Romans 15, 13.
So thank you.
I will be sure to add everythingto the show notes how you can
(57:03):
get a hold of Greg.
Um, do you want to just sharereally quick what's the best way
to get a hold of you?
And then I'll also add it.
SPEAKER_01 (57:08):
Maybe on Instagram or Twitter.
I'm just Greg Steer, S-T-I-E-R.
Just Greg Steer.
SPEAKER_00 (57:15):
Sounds good.
Well, we'll link that up in theshow notes and be sure to reach
out to him, grab his book.
I can't wait to read it.
And I'll be back with anotherepisode next week.
Have a good one.
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked Podcast.
I'm your host, Kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
I help and empower wild-heartedand adventurous women of faith
feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and
potential, break free fromlimitations, and thrive with
confidence, courage, and hope.
If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
newwinkscoaching.net and be sureto explore the show notes for
(00:38):
ways to connect with me further.
Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlock hopetogether.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me welcome GregSteer to the show.
(00:58):
I am so excited to have himhere.
We've had a moment to chat alittle bit ahead of time, and
we're a new connection.
As everybody here knows, I loveconnections, and I think you
guys are just going to be wowedby his story today.
So, Greg, would you just be opento sharing a little bit about
yourself before we get into it?
SPEAKER_01 (01:14):
Sure, Kristen.
I am uh my name is Greg Steer.
I live in Arvana, Colorado.
I'm married to my wonderful wifeof 35 years, Debbie.
Public school teacher at thesame school for 30 years and is
a legend in our city.
Amazing.
Two adult children, uh Jeremyand Kaylee.
And Jeremy got married two yearsago and Kaylee going to Colorado
(01:37):
Christian University and both ofthem love Jesus.
And yeah, it's great.
I I have a great family and andlove.
I'm the founder of a ministrycalled Dare to Share.
SPEAKER_02 (01:48):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (01:49):
Train and equip teenagers all over the world how
to share the gospel of Christ.
And so I've been doing that for34 years and I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (01:58):
Wow.
Wow.
And I I like I said to youbefore, like I don't love to dig
into people fully before I getinto it.
So, first of all, we want toknow, and I know others want to
know, dare to share.
Tell us how that name cameabout.
SPEAKER_01 (02:11):
Well, you know what?
I I have this crazy story, thisradical story.
As I often say, I don't comefrom a typical religious church
going, pew sitting, him-singingfamily.
I come from a family filled withbodybuilding, tobacco chewing,
beer drinking thugs.
Awesome.
Just the women.
So the family.
That's just the did you saythat's just the women?
(02:33):
I'm like, I got family male andfemale bodybuilders and street
fighters.
And um, three of my uncles werecompetitive bodybuilders.
The fourth one was a bouncer atthe toughest bar in Denver.
And the fifth one was a goldgloss boxer, judo champion, war
hero.
My ma was the only girl in thegroup, and they were all afraid
of her uh because she used abaseball bat when she fought.
(02:56):
And uh she was like a jackedversion of the woman at the
well.
I mean, she was my family.
It was wild.
So the mafia, the small don't'tnicknamed my uncles the crazy
brothers.
Okay, and uh they were there wasa lot of violence in my family.
I was like young Sheldon in thehood.
I was not a tough kid, I wasterrified.
(03:18):
And so I joke about it now, butactually, it's just every day
growing up, I was I wasterrified, I was mortified by
the neighborhood we were raisedin, by the family I lived in,
the violence that I saw.
And everything was in a downwardspiral.
SPEAKER_02 (03:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:37):
And then a hillbelly preacher, yeah, nicknamed Yankee
for some reason, he planted achurch in the suburbs of Denver
and on a dare went to my UncleJack's house.
My Uncle Jack had gone to jailfor choking two cops unconscious
at the same time.
(03:58):
He was he looks like theWolverine, but he's bigger.
Uh tattoos everywhere.
Yankee on a dare from a guy BobDaly went to share the gospel.
Dare to show to my uncle Jack,knocked on his door on a
Saturday morning.
My Uncle Jack came to the door,no shirt on, tattoos everywhere.
(04:18):
Dug like this, he had two beercans, one for one for drinking
beer, one for spitting shoe.
SPEAKER_00 (04:23):
Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_01 (04:24):
He goes, What do you want?
And he goes, Uh, my name'sYankee Arnold.
I'm here on a dare from Bob Dalyto tell you about Jesus.
I love it.
And Jack goes, Well, I don'tknow Jesus, I know Bob, I'll
give you five minutes.
And he explained the gospel thatChrist came to die for sinners.
Um, that salvation wasn't bybeing good, it was by
(04:45):
recognizing you're a sinner inneed of a savior.
You transfer your trust fromyourself to Christ.
Uh, in that moment, he will saveyou.
SPEAKER_02 (04:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:55):
And Yankees said, Does that make sense?
And my Uncle Jack said, Hellyeah, that was a sinner's
prayer.
Wow.
He trusted in Christ and brought250 people out to Yankee's
church in one month.
That is not an exaggeration.
And one by one by one, my familymembers came to Christ.
My Uncle Bob came to Christ inthe back of a squad car after he
(05:17):
beat a guy to death.
SPEAKER_02 (05:18):
What?
SPEAKER_01 (05:19):
Story after story after story.
I watched the uttertransformation of most of my
family.
SPEAKER_02 (05:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:26):
My Ma was one of the only holdouts because Ma, she
was a partier, and she gotpregnant uh with me.
She found out she was pregnant.
She drove from Denver to Bostonto have an abortion.
SPEAKER_02 (05:44):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (05:45):
And stayed with my Uncle Tommy and my Aunt Carol,
who had recently becomeChristians.
SPEAKER_02 (05:49):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (05:50):
They talked her out of it.
SPEAKER_02 (05:52):
Oh my word.
SPEAKER_01 (05:53):
She came back and she would look at me and burst
into tears.
And I always wondered why.
SPEAKER_02 (05:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:58):
She would cry.
And my grandma told me when Iwas 12 years old, you know why
she cries when she looks at you?
It's because she feels guiltybecause she almost aborted you.
And she had a very checkeredpast, been with a lot, been
married several times, been witha lot of men, and had violence
in her.
I remember when I was five yearsold.
SPEAKER_02 (06:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:20):
I was playing on the front porch.
And we lived in a the highestcrime area of our city.
SPEAKER_02 (06:25):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (06:25):
And a guy pulls up in a brand new car, and I
strained my eyes to see who itwas.
And it was one of the guys shehad married who had left us.
And I yelled inside, Mommy,mommy, you know, one of my dads
is here.
And she was smoking a cigarette,doing the dishes.
She looked out and she saw him.
She grabbed a baseball bat,cigarette still in her mouth,
(06:46):
goes running out while he'ssitting in the car, shatters his
front windshield.
She goes, Get out of the car.
I'm just a girl, right?
Takes out his headlight.
She goes, Come on, get out.
She starts doing body damage onthis car.
And I'm traumatized, yet somehowproud of my mom because she's
just wailing on this car.
I'm like, you go, mom, you go,my like he gets out of the car
(07:07):
and she lit him up with thatbaseball bat.
I joke about it now, but itactually traumatized me as a
kid.
SPEAKER_02 (07:13):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (07:15):
He drives off.
We never see him again for somestrange reason.
And I remember thinking three tothree things to myself when
she's walking up.
Uh, number one, I'm thinking, Iwill never disobey my mom again.
Right, right.
Never see such violence.
Yeah.
Number two, I'm thinking, howdid the cigarette stay in her
(07:35):
mouth the whole time?
The whole time.
Right.
And then the third question is,why is my mom so mad?
And I found out when I was 12years old, she had a
shame-fueled rage.
Wow.
Wow.
And um, at the same time, when Iwas 12 years old, I learned how
to share my faith.
(07:56):
Because this Hillbilly preachertrained me.
I went to his youth group, and Istarted going back and telling
my mom about Christ.
And it took three years.
She would say, You don't knowthe things I've done wrong.
And I knew them all becausegrandma told me.
I said, It doesn't matter, Ma.
Jesus paid the price on thecross, you place your faith in
him, you have eternal life.
And when I was 15, I sat herdown one last time.
(08:17):
She's still smoking a cigarette.
I have my mom to Christ inbetween buffs.
And she goes, I'm in.
And when my family said, I'm in,they were she were all.
Yeah, they came all in.
SPEAKER_00 (08:30):
So I gotta stop you for a second.
Yeah.
Um, I know people who arewaiting for others to come,
whether it's uh spouses orfamily members or friends, and
they're you know continually,you know, trying to reach
people.
What would you say?
(08:50):
I mean, even as a child, youknew not to give up.
Um what what kept you going?
What what kept you going afterlike re you know, it's in
essence, some could look at itas rejection, right?
SPEAKER_01 (09:03):
You gotta love them enough not to give up.
And when I say give up, I meannot not just sharing the gospel,
but praying for them to beready.
SPEAKER_02 (09:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:14):
Prayer is like chopping down a tree.
The bigger the prayer request,the bigger the tree.
And you just keep swinging thataxe of prayer until God yells
timber.
And when God yells timber, twothings happen.
A tree falls, the soul getssaved, you become spiritually
jacked in the process.
SPEAKER_00 (09:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:34):
Because you've been praying and you've been building
faith, building that prayer.
SPEAKER_00 (09:39):
That's so good.
That's such a great like way.
Could you could you repeat thatagain?
I feel like somebody just needsto hear just how you explained
prayer and trees.
SPEAKER_01 (09:48):
Yeah, yeah.
Prayer is it's like chopping atree down.
You know, you keep the biggerthe tree, the more swings you
got to take, and the harder itis, right?
And when God answers thatprayer, not only does a tree
fall down, the soul gets saved,but you become spiritually
strong because you've beenpraying.
Yeah, like Jesus said in Luke18.1, I gave him this parable to
teach him how to pray and notgive up.
SPEAKER_02 (10:10):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (10:10):
So praying perpetually, persistently,
consistently, relentlesslyactually strengthens your faith.
SPEAKER_02 (10:18):
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (10:20):
So it's not just a prayer request getting answered,
it's you becoming strongerspiritually in the process.
SPEAKER_00 (10:25):
Amen.
Yes.
So you see your mom come toChrist, and then what happened
with her?
You said she went all in.
Like, oh I'm even thinking backbecause I got saved from
addiction and I used to smoketwo packs of cigarettes myself.
SPEAKER_03 (10:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:40):
And it was like an immediate, like, I had a
Saldopol conversion.
I like to say that, but I didn'tkill anybody, thankfully.
I literally had no more desirefor alcohol, drugs, cigarettes,
which I think for a lot ofpeople, cigarettes is a big
thing.
How did your mom do with thecigarettes?
SPEAKER_01 (10:56):
Yeah, the cigarettes that was one area.
I maybe not all in, 90, 99% in.
unknown (11:02):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (11:02):
That's what took her home eventually.
But um, you know, some peoplesay that's harder than heroin to
get.
Yeah, totally.
She, you know, she just began totell everybody about Christ.
I mean, she was and she was veryblunt.
My I come from a very bluntfamily.
When I be when I was a pastor,she was in church, and I go, How
(11:24):
many of you struggle withbitterness?
She goes, I do every day.
I'm like, Ma.
Oh my gosh.
She goes, Don't ask the questionif you don't want the answer.
SPEAKER_02 (11:32):
I love it.
SPEAKER_01 (11:33):
Everybody looked at her, she goes, right?
And everybody started cheering.
I'm like, oh my goodness, my momis raising up a revolution in
her church.
I love it.
But you know, just tellingeverybody about Christ and um
really like having hope.
Yeah.
Because she had so much shame,so much guilt for such a crazy,
crazy past.
(11:54):
Um my family became veryevangelistic.
Okay.
Because they wanted everyone toknow what it changed to them.
And so, so anyway, so I youknow, I graduate from high
school, I go off to college, Imeet the love of my life, uh,
Debbie there.
Debbie is she's her dad's anengineer.
SPEAKER_02 (12:17):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (12:19):
I was living in you know, trailer court.
Um I was raised in apartmentcomplexes in trailer courts.
And so I, you know, I I meet herand she's you know, uptown girl.
And uh we fall in love and umdate for uh through years, and
then we get married.
Plant a church, um Grace Church,which is still around to this
(12:43):
day in Arvada, Colorado, and uhwith my friend, never went to
seminary.
Um start data to share on theside.
And you know, both are going.
It's not easy.
My wife and I, you know, we hadreally rough time our our first
five years of marriage because Iwas on the road and I was busy
(13:06):
being a pastor and not busybeing a husband, and that
culminated in a not so goodBible study gathering where we
got into a raging argument onthe way to the Bible study about
my busy schedule.
SPEAKER_02 (13:26):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (13:27):
And uh in the Bible study that night, um the uh the
pastor Green, the associatepastor, was leading, and he
goes, you know, tonight, let'sjust go around the room and see
how we're doing.
We'll set the Bible study asideand just let's get real and raw.
I'm like, oh no.
SPEAKER_00 (13:44):
Not tonight.
SPEAKER_01 (13:45):
Gets around to me and I'm spinning it like a
politician, you know, trying tofind that work, ministry
balance, life balance, blah,blah, blah.
Gets to my wife, and you got toknow my wife to appreciate it
because she's very sweet, yeah,pretty shy, pretty quiet.
Um, but she is a redhead.
And Pastor Green goes, How's itgoing, Debbie?
(14:09):
She goes, Not good.
And everybody looked up and hegoes, What's going on?
She goes, My husband's goneevery weekend, he's gone every
night.
When he is home, he's gotnothing left for me.
We've only been married for afew years.
I can't take it, I can't fake itanymore.
My husband's a jerk.
Um I'm like, You want to do thisright now in front of God and
everyone?
And so we start arguing.
(14:30):
Okay.
And everybody thinks it's askit.
SPEAKER_02 (14:33):
Oh, really?
SPEAKER_01 (14:34):
It's not a skit.
SPEAKER_02 (14:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:36):
And Pastor Green comes after me and says, I don't
care if you pass for the largestchurch in America.
If you don't take care ofbusiness at home, you're not.
And I just snapped.
I said, Yeah, well, I figuredI'm gonna get fired.
I'm gonna take him out.
I charge him.
SPEAKER_02 (14:48):
Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_01 (14:49):
And in the middle of the room, I hit the Holy Spirit,
hits me with a one-inch BruceLee.
I fell to the ground and I beganto weep because I knew he was
right and she was right.
And I repented for 30 minutes,like falling.
SPEAKER_02 (15:05):
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_01 (15:06):
Which nobody knew what to do.
Like, do we call the Catholicpriest?
Because this is this is anexorcism situation.
Right, right.
And the most humiliating momentof my life saved my marriage.
Because everybody knew.
And uh older couples came aroundus, and my wife and I are, you
know, 35 years strong now.
Not that we never argue orfight, but way better now.
(15:31):
Uh and um, you know, I mean,just being real.
I mean, yeah, it was a rough,rough start, but yeah, have a
strong finish by God's grace.
SPEAKER_00 (15:41):
So, like, what would you say to, I mean, I I've I see
it in, you know, people inbusiness, in ministry, um, you
know, our calling, if we want touse calling, um sometimes we get
too many calls in our callingand we need to put the phone
(16:02):
down, have boundaries.
Um and and especially if youlove what you're doing, right?
What would you say to somebodywho, you know, I do talk to a
lot of women who tend to be moredoers, right?
They they're just, you know,even me, I had to come out of
doing.
I I'm generationally a doer.
(16:23):
It's a very hard road to comeout of that.
But what would you say tosomebody, like, what are the I
don't know, key indicators oflike the check engine light is
on like what what's going onwith you personally?
Like, I can imagine that youwere probably experiencing some
things even.
Um, but what would you say tosomebody about this?
SPEAKER_01 (16:43):
Well, I would say too, you know, I it's no
different in ministry, like, youknow, there's uh I'm very
entrepreneurial, I'm a doer.
Yeah, you we we want to ourvision of dear to share is every
teen everywhere hearing thegospel from a friend.
That's a billion teens.
And we've we've trainedmillions, but it's not a billion
yet.
So I'm like night and daythinking about this stuff,
right?
(17:03):
Yeah.
So whether it's producing somesort of you know, widget in a
company or whether it's a socialmedia, you know, a marketing
company, or it doesn't matter,ministry and entrepreneurial
spirit can take you over andconsume you.
So I think one of the thingsthat's helped me is becoming
half monk, half missionary.
SPEAKER_02 (17:25):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (17:25):
And what I mean by that is making sure every day,
number one, I'm cultivating myrelationship with the Lord.
Yes, I'm in prayer and I'm inthe word.
Uh and because that will showitself in my marriage.
Yes, like the the rightpriority.
(17:46):
Number two, one of the things wedo on a very practical level is
we take a vacation every year,and a lot of times little ones
too.
In addition, as a family, wespend time together.
And we go on a lot of walks, wego on prayer walks.
So we'll walk somewhere and talkabout our day, and then on the
way back we'll pray.
SPEAKER_02 (18:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:05):
And you know, I think the family that prays
together, stay together, juststay stay connected to divine
and just be aware.
Like, I think just knowing thatcheck engine like look, you
know, don't just crank up theradio when you hear something.
Right, right, right.
Okay, let's do this stuff out.
So ours has not been a straightline, ours has been zigzagging.
(18:29):
Okay.
unknown (18:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:31):
It's still zigzagging.
You know, every I always sayevery marriage is either a waltz
or a tango.
Waltzes are, you know, those arethe couples that never fight and
they always seem to be in sync.
It's a beautiful dance.
Tango is like, you lead, no, Ilead, now kiss me, now dance.
And you know, we have a tango.
Yeah, but it works for us.
(18:51):
Yeah, yeah.
Tango when it's done is abeautiful dance when it's done
well.
Yeah.
And uh I think you gotta yougotta keep dancing and figuring
it out.
SPEAKER_00 (19:01):
Yes, yes.
So what like what would be maybea check engine like indicator
for you that comes up that youknow you gotta get yourself back
in check on that, like anotherrhythm of maybe a rhythm of rest
or you know, what have you?
SPEAKER_01 (19:16):
I mean my my calendar is is like when I talk
to my wife and I see her faceturn pale because of my travel
schedule.
I'm like, okay, this out.
So to fix some of that is like,okay, well, which of these trips
would you like to go with me on?
(19:38):
That's great.
Nebraska, I'm on my own.
But if I'm California or Hawaii,she's like, you know, I think we
need to start out, or whatever,you know.
SPEAKER_00 (19:46):
I'm guessing she probably doesn't want to come
here to Minnesota either.
SPEAKER_01 (19:49):
You don't mind Minnesota's I mean, those five
months a year.
SPEAKER_00 (19:54):
Yeah, well, as long as you're not coming in the
winter, you're probably good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (19:59):
Yeah.
She's going back to Minnesota.
SPEAKER_00 (20:01):
So the calendar is a big thing for you.
SPEAKER_01 (20:05):
The calendar's a big thing.
And I think also justnon-verbal, like if there's, you
know, I just uh I've beenblessed with uh a curse.
And the curse is I cannotoperate if my wife is upset with
me.
I can't do anything.
SPEAKER_02 (20:22):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (20:23):
So we we have to we've we we work on that stuff,
you know.
SPEAKER_00 (20:29):
Yeah.
Well, it's almost like a car.
I mean, you can't run yourengine without a transmission,
right?
So it's like it's a beautifulpartnership that it sounds like
you guys have.
And you know, all too many um,you know, couples just don't get
into that rhythm.
And unfortunately, we're seeinga lot of fallout from you know,
people going their separateways.
(20:50):
And um, I love that you reallyhonor you, it sounds like you
both honor one another in that.
SPEAKER_01 (20:56):
So yeah.
And I think, I think justfiguring it out, you know.
I mean, it was so much easierwhen I was reading those
marriage books before you gotmarried.
Like raising kids, like, oh,it's gonna be like bowling, just
fall.
SPEAKER_00 (21:11):
Right, right, yeah.
Wait to expect when you'reexpecting it's supposed to, it's
all supposed to turn out thatway, right?
SPEAKER_01 (21:18):
Prayer and duct tape, man.
That's what that's like.
Just ask it's humbling, yeah,and it's awesome.
SPEAKER_00 (21:24):
Yes.
What would be like one of thebiggest marriage advice um keys
that you'd give to somebodywho's maybe just getting married
now?
What would you say to somebody?
SPEAKER_01 (21:37):
I would say fight through the breakthrough.
Like don't let it go.
Don't let stuff simmer.
Like sometimes you need time toprocess, I understand that, but
I'm saying don't just keep goinglike nothing's wrong.
Right.
Figure it out.
Get to the root of it.
(21:58):
Ask for forgiveness, don't saysorry.
I was wrong, will you forgiveme?
SPEAKER_00 (22:05):
That's powerful.
SPEAKER_01 (22:06):
And keep doing that.
You know, I I I just imagine abloody cross in the middle of
our living room that I need tokeep going back to.
SPEAKER_02 (22:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:18):
Like communion, like remembering God forgiveness.
I need to forgive, I need to askfor forgiveness.
SPEAKER_02 (22:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:26):
Humble yourself and asking forgiveness when you and
granting forgiveness.
unknown (22:30):
No.
SPEAKER_01 (22:31):
They're asking, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (22:33):
Amen.
That's good.
SPEAKER_01 (22:34):
70 times seven, seventy times seven.
Again and again.
Really infinity, you know.
That's another way to sayprotect as you've been forgiven.
You forgot.
SPEAKER_00 (22:46):
So good.
Yeah.
Somebody, you know, take that toheart, you know, especially if
you're gonna be married soon oryou're in the middle.
I I think the first, I don'tknow about you, but the first,
even for me, like the first fiveyears, you're just you're still
like getting acclimated to eachother.
It's like we're kind offoreigners in a way, and you're
weird, and I'm weird, and youknow what I mean?
(23:06):
We've been together on our endfor 29 years.
So, you know, at this point,you're just you you kind of
start answering each other'ssentences, and in the beginning,
you're like, what are you eventalking about?
Right?
SPEAKER_01 (23:19):
Yeah, and I and I and you just gotta, you gotta
just break like don't give up.
Like yeah.
And you know, I'm I know there'sprobably somebody listening
that, you know, there's thosewho have been divorced.
I mean, there's forgiveness andrestoration through Christ.
We know that.
So I'm not wanna be like planetfitness, no guilt zone here.
(23:39):
Like God is done.
If you're if you are married orgoing to be married, um stick
with it, you know, work out andfight through the breakthrough.
And by the power of the HolySpirit, things can and and don't
keep it quiet.
Like if you have struggles, youknow.
(24:00):
I mean, if you need counseling,you know, pastoral counseling,
whatever.
I mean, prayer.
Yeah, conf, you know, James 5,you know, says confess your sins
one to another that you may behealed.
And somebody once put it likethis we confess our sins to God
for forgiveness.
Yeah, we confess to each otherfor healing.
SPEAKER_02 (24:19):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (24:20):
No, don't don't just you know keep it to yourself.
SPEAKER_00 (24:25):
Yeah.
Like you said, I I like to sayyou gotta keep going through to
get to the breakthrough.
You can't just stop, you can'tjust give up, you gotta keep
going.
So with you on that trail.
Well, let's talk a little bitmore about um Dare to Share.
And I I remember you telling meyou have a book, which I love
that the title too.
So let's let's talk about umDare to Share first.
(24:47):
And what have you been doing?
Um, I love again the nameobviously came out of this
encounter your uncle had.
Um, tell us more about this andum you know the impact I know
you're making for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (25:01):
Well, you know, so Yankee, this hillbilly preacher,
was really a youth leader, youknow, who happened to be the
senior pastor.
He we had 800 teenagers in ouryouth group.
We had 300 adults, 300 adults inour church.
SPEAKER_02 (25:16):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (25:17):
He believed the fastest way to reach a city was
by mobilizing young people withand for the gospel.
SPEAKER_02 (25:22):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (25:23):
And so we did it.
I mean, we we reached people forChrist, we discipled them as
teenagers.
SPEAKER_02 (25:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (25:31):
Um, not because we were uh extraordinary teens, we
were ordinary teens, but we werewe were given training and
equipping.
And so when I uh planted thechurch, I still had that heart
for youth ministry, of course,at our church, but I was like,
man, that same DNA needs to bein every youth group.
So many times youth groups arejust, you know, they entertain,
(25:52):
they do some songs, they playsome games, and they do a short
lesson, they do camp, they doretreat.
And we wonder why our kids areleaving their faith after they
graduate.
Right.
It's because we're not givingthem a mission.
When I was a 12-year-old, I wasgiven a mission to go and make
disciples of all nations.
And I was taken seriously, and Iwas given the tools to
(26:15):
accomplish a serious mission.
Um I just thought that's whatyouth ministry was.
And then I got out and I'm like,what in the world?
You guys just play games, havepizza, do a short lesson?
How lame is that?
No wonder kids are leaving.
Right.
So we started this missionbasically to change the way
youth ministry is done acrossthe United States and now around
the world.
(26:36):
How do we become how do wemobilize this next generation as
missionaries now and later?
Yeah, right.
Whatever and whatever jobthey're gonna do, right?
Whatever college they go to, um,and whatever high school they're
at or middle school they're at.
So we started with bigconferences.
We used to do big conferences,like we'd go to Grace Church up
(26:58):
in Eden Prayer.
We've been in arenas from coastto coast, fill these events,
train them, mobilize them all toshare Christ.
And then uh over the years itshifted to kind of a simulcast
model, and now it's on demand.
So it every November we do a dayof global youth evangelism where
(27:20):
youth leaders last year was in110 countries, six churches
trained and equipped, and allthe kids are mobilized to share
the gospel.
Um, it's called the Day ofGlobal Youth Evangelism.
It's completely free, but it'shigh quality training.
SPEAKER_02 (27:36):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (27:36):
And uh what our goal is every teen everywhere hearing
the gospel from a friend, onebillion teens hearing the
gospel.
And so so, you know, been doingthat.
We have tons of free curriculum,tools, resources.
I've been blessed at Dare toShare for 30 years.
Our first time, first full-timeemployee was not me.
It was a lady named DebbieBrissina.
unknown (27:57):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (27:58):
Came out of high-tech and marketing.
She had her own marketing firmand strategy firm.
She started volunteering forDare to Share.
Her heart broke for the nextgeneration.
The reason we've been able totrain millions of teens is not
because of Greg Steer, it'sbecause of Debbie Brissina and
uh the brilliant leadershipshe's brought to the ministry
for 30 years.
SPEAKER_00 (28:18):
Um we thank you, Debbie.
We thank you for the Debras thatare coming around you.
SPEAKER_01 (28:25):
I know.
I got D1 and D2.
SPEAKER_00 (28:28):
Like I I think of Deborah in the Bible.
I'm like, wow, he's got the theDebras.
unknown (28:32):
I know.
SPEAKER_01 (28:33):
I've all my life I've been surrounded by strong
women, like my mom, veryliterally physically strong and
every level strong.
My wife, yeah, very strong, andDebbie Racina, very strong.
Um, praise the Lord.
SPEAKER_00 (28:48):
Yeah.
Well, I want to have you for asecond.
So the day of global um you saidyouth, uh, is is that coming up
soon?
It's November 8th.
November 8th.
SPEAKER_01 (29:00):
It's um just if people can find it on
daretoshare.org.
That's the number two, and justlook under events.
And it can be done by a youthgroup, it can be done, it can
literally be done in somebody'sliving room.
Okay.
Um because there's training andequipping, it's all on demand,
it's all free.
There's only one requirement.
Okay.
(29:21):
Okay.
You gotta go out and shareChrist after the training.
We make you check a box, like Iwill go out to share.
And if you're not willing to goout and share, then we don't we
won't let you download thevideo.
SPEAKER_00 (29:34):
So do you have like so once they you know download
the videos and watch them, um,is there like accountability for
people beyond checking the box?
Like, what does that look like?
SPEAKER_01 (29:45):
Yeah, so basically it's mostly a lot of youth
pastors do this.
So they we give the youthleaders the tools and resources
to keep the students accountablethroughout the year.
Okay.
Uh we have free curriculum, butparents do it.
I mean, you keep your kids andtheir friends.
I you know, I've been taking Youknow, growing up years, my kids
out for years sharing thegospel.
I'm the yeah, I keep themaccountable.
(30:06):
They keep me accountable too.
SPEAKER_02 (30:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:08):
If we're at the restaurant, you know, my wife
and I, you know, didn't pray forthe server and begin a gospel
conversation.
So kids were like dad and mom.
So it's co-accountability.
Isn't it great?
Learning how to share yourfaith.
I believe, you know, the parentsout there, especially parents of
you know, older elementary andteenager years, we got to equip
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our young people to share thegospel.
That and that's what we do atDare to Share.
So what we do the day of global,you can do the day of global
youth evangelism actuallyanytime.
SPEAKER_02 (30:40):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (30:40):
After no, you know, November 8th or after.
SPEAKER_02 (30:43):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (30:44):
Um, and you can like do this together as a family.
And maybe like what I always didwas I got my daughter and my
son, and then I get theirfriends.
Okay.
And then we would equip them,and then we would go out.
SPEAKER_00 (30:57):
Oh wow.
unknown (30:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (30:58):
So what would that what would that look like?
So somebody is like, you know,sharing the gospel.
Let's just say somebody maybehasn't heard that at their
church before for some reason.
What would that look like forsomebody tangibly to go out?
SPEAKER_01 (31:11):
So there's a lot, we have different ways that you can
do that.
Like you can you can, you know,call some friends and get
together with them and have agospel conversation.
You could go out to the city andand you know, we did a thing
called pizza prayer andproclamation where we bought a
pizza.
We'd go to homeless people andsay, Would you like a slice?
(31:31):
And they always say yes,especially if it's a good pizza,
and pray for you.
And we would segue into a gospelconversation.
Do you have any spiritualbeliefs?
And we we do all the practicaltraining.
How do you bring it up?
How do you share it?
How do you turn an everydayconversation into a spiritual
conversation?
Actually, if you go ontoYouTube, look up Greg Steer,
(31:52):
Crash Course and Evangelism,there's a five-minute crash
course video I did on how toshare faith with anyone,
anywhere, anytime.
SPEAKER_00 (31:59):
Well, I will link that up in the show notes for
people to talk about it.
Um so you said it's crash coursefor evangelism.
SPEAKER_01 (32:05):
Yeah, uh Greg Steer, S-T-I-E-R, Crash Course and
Evangelism, and it'll pop rightup.
SPEAKER_00 (32:10):
Okay.
Yeah.
And I'm sure you have a lot morevideos too.
SPEAKER_01 (32:14):
Yeah.
And we have videos, we havecurriculum, we have and all of
our uh digital curriculum isfree.
SPEAKER_00 (32:20):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (32:20):
It's designed for youth ministry, but parents can
use it with their kids.
SPEAKER_00 (32:24):
Okay.
Amazing.
Through your yes, you've reachedmillions.
Um, I would love for you toshare like first, first person
that comes to mind, maybe the,you know, outside of your
family, obviously they've hadmassive transformation that only
God could have orchestrated,right?
Um, think of like a youth orsomebody that comes to mind that
(32:47):
you just your mind was blown,like the work that Jesus did
through them.
Um through, I mean, true, truly,it's through our yes that we get
to see a ripple effect, right?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (32:59):
Yeah, and the power of the gospel, don't
underestimate it.
Like people are like, well, I'mnot gifted, it doesn't matter.
It's like a grenade.
Yeah.
Um, it doesn't matter if you'regifted at throwing grenades or
not.
You pull the pen, it's gonnaexplode.
Like there's power in the gospelmessage.
Yeah.
I take a one story, this guy'sname was Kevin, and I was at the
(33:23):
mall.
Okay.
I just had a spirit prompt.
He was with three dudes, lateteens, early twenties, all
talking trash to the girls.
I mean, something kicks me off.
Yeah.
The Spirit of God was like, gotell them about Jesus.
I'm like, no, I don't want totell them about Jesus.
Yeah.
(33:43):
But I had to say yes.
And so I started a conversation.
These guys were drunk, they weremocking me.
All this stuff.
And I'm like, hey, I got thisbook in my car.
It's called More Than aCarpenter by Josh McDowell.
When you sober up, yeah, wouldyou read it?
And he goes, I'll read yourblanking book.
(34:05):
And so I went ahead and dug itout of my car, gave it to him.
SPEAKER_02 (34:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (34:08):
Didn't think anything of it.
Ten years later, I came walkingin my office, threw that book
across the room, landed on mydesk.
He goes, I read your book 10years ago.
I trusted Christ as my savior.
And um, and I've been servingthe Lord ever since.
I carry like 50 of these booksin my car.
I pass them out to everybody.
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I'm like, what in the how didyou find me?
I didn't put my what in theworld.
He said, I I I goes, I teachSunday school at Crossroads
Church, and all my middleschoolers went to Dare to Share
this last weekend, and they toldme about this guy that went to
Westminster Mall and sharedChrist with complete strangers.
Oh my goodness.
(34:51):
I was like, oh my goodness.
So you just never know thepattern of the gospel, yeah,
random to some drunk guy, yeah,totally changed the trajectory
of his wife.
SPEAKER_00 (35:08):
I mean, you can't, and it's I like to say you can't
make this stuff up, right?
And here's here's the thing,like maybe you could touch on a
little bit.
Um, and just even in my ownwalk, when I've like I tend to
meet people all the time.
My kids used to be like, mom,please don't meet anybody new at
the grocery store.
Like, um, you know, sometimesit's a matter, like I again, I I
(35:31):
think you would agree, like justbeing so attuned to Holy Spirit
and and what you're to share andhow much to share.
And yeah, sometimes you're gonnago all in with the gospel
message, right?
Sometimes it's truly like atleast for me, um, and I might be
missing the mark, but sometimessomebody just literally just
needs a smile or they just needsomebody to say hello and ask
(35:52):
how your day is going.
Um, you gave a book, you didn'tnecessarily like lead them to
Christ that day yourself, right?
Could you touch on that a littlebit?
Because I think sometimes peoplethink I am responsible for this
person's salvation.
SPEAKER_01 (36:11):
Yeah, and so there's a balance in there, right?
So I call it three dot theology.
So dot three dot three dotnumber one is it's God's
responsibility to save, right?
Yeah, he can flip the switchfrom off to on.
Dot number two, it's ourresponsibility to share, right?
I want to hear from a preacher.
(36:31):
Dot number three, it's theirresponsibility to believe.
And here's the key don't connectthe dots.
Just own your dot.
Your dot is to share the gospel,right?
And again, using wisdom whentiming, when you lean in, when
you not, when you go all theway, when you just so what we do
is we train uh not justteenagers, we train hundreds of
(36:55):
thousands of adults in this.
Three words ask, admire, admit.
So ask questions, get to knowthem.
Yeah, turn it spiritual.
It gets a little awkwardsometimes, but that's fine.
We have a saying, awkward isawesome, because that's I love
that.
Yeah.
So do you go to church anywhere?
Is there anywhere I can pray foryou?
Do you have any spiritualbeliefs?
(37:16):
So you turn that conversation,like Jesus with the woman at the
well, turn the conversationabout water to living water,
right?
So we turn it spiritual, becauseawkward is awesome.
Then we find out what theybelieve and we admire what we
can.
Well, I'm a Muslim.
Well, you know what?
Muslims pray five times a day,that's to be commended.
Or I'm a Mormon.
Well, Mormon is a committed tomission, and that's to be
committed.
Or I'm I'm a Catholic.
(37:37):
Well, you have a spiritualbelief and in God and the
Trinity, you know.
You find what you can to admire.
That doesn't mean you agree withall their theology.
Then you admit the reason you'rea Christian is you're so sinful,
you need a Jesus to save you.
And that's when you share yourstory.
So ask, admire, admit.
But it does two things.
One, for an evangelist like me,it slows me down.
(38:00):
Because I want to go right toit, you know.
Well, it's here, it's hot inhell too.
Let me tell you, you know.
My wife, who's very relational.
SPEAKER_00 (38:09):
Yeah, I was gonna ask how what does she how does
she operate?
SPEAKER_01 (38:12):
It actually speeds her up because she would
perpetually build a bridge.
Okay.
If she could, so it actuallygets her to the gospel faster
than she normally would.
Okay.
Because she's good at asking,she's gonna lean to that admire
and then admit.
And so I think ask, admire,admit is a is a great segue to
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normalizing gospel conversationsin everyday life.
SPEAKER_00 (38:40):
So do you find yourself like every day, like
everywhere you go?
Like, do you have a day thatdoesn't go by that you're not
leaning into being evangelist?
SPEAKER_01 (38:51):
Here's what here's what I would say is I pray for
Bob every day.
B-O-B.
I pray for a burden for thelost, an opportunity to share
Christ that day, and theboldness to walk through the
door.
And I would say more often thannot, God answers that prayer.
SPEAKER_00 (39:07):
I love that.
So say Bob again.
What's the acronym again?
SPEAKER_01 (39:10):
B-O-B.
Every my life is an acronym.
Uh burden for the lost.
O is opportunity uh to shareChrist that day, and B is the
boldness to walk through thedoor when God answers that
prayer.
So I pray for Bob every day.
Burden, opportunity, andboldness.
SPEAKER_00 (39:27):
I love that.
Do you have do you have that onyour website somewhere?
SPEAKER_01 (39:31):
Like, no, that actually came from my buddy Dave
Gibson up at Grace Church inEden Prairie.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (39:36):
Really?
SPEAKER_01 (39:37):
And I yeah, he's the was the missions pastor there
for years, and I just I stole itfrom him.
It's great.
SPEAKER_00 (39:42):
That's so good.
I I love those acronyms becauseit really helps you remember,
right?
Yeah, exactly.
Bob, I'm gonna pray for Bob too.
SPEAKER_01 (39:50):
Yeah, and God, you just be ready when those
opportunities arise.
SPEAKER_00 (39:54):
Yeah.
Have you ever had anybody likeblatantly, you know, push you
away?
I guess you could say like tellus a crazy story.
I want to hear a crazy story.
A radical story.
Let's use that word.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:09):
Well, I remember when I was a teenager, I I
talked to a Satanist at themall.
Okay.
And he literally said he wasgoing to burn with Satan forever
and ever in hell.
I thought it was gonna beat meup.
And two hours later, uh, he waswith uh six girls in this little
restaurant inside the mall,three on one side, three on the
(40:31):
other.
And he starts yelling, heyreligion man, and everybody's
looking at me.
I'm like, oh my goodness.
Felt like a superhero, you know,religion.
I walk over, yes, and he's like,Tell my girlfriend your stupid
religious speech, and they'reall mocking me.
SPEAKER_02 (40:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:48):
Well, they start listening, and the Satanist is
getting upset.
Girls are locked in at the end.
They ended up trusting Christ.
He tried to get out from abehind the table to beat me up.
He was way bigger than me.
But these girls had him wedgedin the corner of the booth and
they wouldn't let him out.
So I was like, guess what,Satanist?
God wins again.
(41:11):
Religion man wins.
Religion man wins the day.
I mean, just crazy.
I've been picked up on mythroat, I've been spat at
slapped, I've been all thatstuff.
But you know, it's allpersecution light.
There's people, there'sChristians in Nigeria, they're
dying every day for their faith.
SPEAKER_02 (41:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (41:27):
Literally being slaughtered.
SPEAKER_02 (41:29):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (41:31):
So, you know, a little slapping can hurt you.
SPEAKER_00 (41:35):
What what do you like?
What are you sensing for, youknow, uh just even in the times
we're in right now, we're seeingum, you know, things are kicking
up a little, wouldn't you say?
SPEAKER_01 (41:46):
I would, I would definitely say, yeah.
Just a little.
It's a great time for revival.
And it's also a it's also apotential time of train wrecking
if we're not careful.
Um the winds of revival areblowing.
We have to hoist the sail ofprayer.
Uh, we need to get filled withthe spirit.
And what I mean by that, equalparts, courage and compassion.
(42:11):
We need to have that courage,and we also need to have
compassion, and we need to steerthis ship toward the Great
Commission because we don't donot want to crash on the shore
of lesser things.
So we need to keep it focusedprimarily on Christ and Him
crucified and making itmultiplying disciples.
(42:34):
And that will change our nationfrom the inside out.
SPEAKER_00 (42:37):
Absolutely.
Do you find that the kids arehungrier right now than ever
before?
SPEAKER_01 (42:43):
Gen Z men, yeah, the stats are out, up.
The um 50, I think it's 15%attendance among Gen Z boys in
church.
I think it's crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (42:56):
So you say it's more young men than girls at this
point right now?
SPEAKER_01 (43:00):
Young men, at least, or what I would say are young
men are at least making acomeback towards spiritual
things.
I think they're looking foranswers.
I think there's been a lot ofobviously, you know, since the
Charlie Kirk assassination,there's been that.
But even before then, I thinkthey're they're looking for
definitive answers.
On the negative side, you gotpodcasters like Andrew Tate that
(43:21):
are, you know, are draggingpeople down in a um in a whole
different level, you know.
Um, but they're givingdefinitive answers.
You got guys like Joe Rogan thatare given definitive answers.
You got people like Jordan uhPeters giving definitive
answers.
Well, we need to give definitiveanswers that are rooted in
scripture, that are rooted inthe authority of God's word.
(43:42):
And I think they're looking,they're looking for answers
because it's so confusingbecause all they do is swipe and
you're getting a thousandanswers a day.
What is true?
When you when you when you'reable to say, man, this book,
this this word of God, not theword of Google or TikTok, word
of God is true.
And here's why.
Then I think people, you know,young young people resonate
(44:04):
toward that.
SPEAKER_00 (44:05):
Yes.
Who like who other than you asbeing somebody that can help
influence these young people?
Who would you recommend?
Like if you if there's somemoms, dads listening in today,
or even the young people, likewho would you recommend they
like books or um resources outthere to to really tap into?
Do you have some that you'd beyeah?
SPEAKER_01 (44:26):
I mean, you know, Jenny Allen's got a lot of great
stuff.
Um she's really helped some ofher books have helped my
daughter.
Um I mean, I think uh CraigRochelle has got some stuff.
There's phenomenal Louis Giglio,Shane Pruitt.
Um yeah, there's a lot.
If you start looking, there'syou know, some good solid
(44:48):
Christian stuff that they canthey can follow.
You know, I mean you know, it'sa lot of and I I think some old
timey preachers.
I mean, yeah.
I listened to Erwin Lutzer, uhChuck Swindahl.
Those are great old, you know, Imean, I think Chuck Swindl is
(45:08):
close to 90 now.
SPEAKER_02 (45:10):
Oh wow can reach.
SPEAKER_01 (45:12):
That's amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (45:13):
Yeah, that's where it's that's where you know I
would say, like, you don't needto retire, you need to refire.
Yeah, that's right.
If you're called into something,you're not gonna want to quit.
SPEAKER_02 (45:22):
That's exactly right.
SPEAKER_00 (45:24):
Are you quitting?
Are you ever gonna quit?
SPEAKER_02 (45:27):
Me?
SPEAKER_00 (45:28):
Yeah.
No.
No, no.
Okay.
Well, I know you have aresource, another resource.
I want to make sure we don'tforget about it.
You have a book, or do you havemore than one book?
SPEAKER_01 (45:38):
I I have a I've written 23 books, actually,
believe it or not.
Yeah, you have volumes.
23 books you've never heard of.
No.
Um, most of them to teenagersand youth leaders, but um the
last two have been for uheveryone for adults.
Um one is called UnlikelyFighter, which is a memoir.
(45:59):
It's 22 chapters long.
SPEAKER_02 (46:02):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (46:02):
First 21 chapters happened before I turned 16.
So it's really about growing upin this crazy family.
So it's a wild story.
Unfiltered.
SPEAKER_02 (46:11):
Umfiltered?
SPEAKER_01 (46:13):
It's unfiltered.
Okay.
I was talking about TyndalePublishing, and to they're like,
there's too much violence inthis book.
I'm like, have you read theBible?
SPEAKER_00 (46:22):
Yeah, it's real, real story.
SPEAKER_01 (46:24):
Yeah, real story.
So um, so they said yes, praisethe Lord.
Um so and it's also an Audible.
So I will read it to you myselfif you get it on Audible.
Um, and then the my latest bookis called Radical Like Jesus.
It's 21 challenges to live arevolutionary life.
So 21 snapshots of the life ofJesus from the time he's 12 to
(46:45):
the time he ascends into heaven,with every chapter's got a
challenge that you take beforeyou read the next chapter.
So it's a great to do as afamily together.
SPEAKER_00 (46:58):
I've never heard of a book like that before.
Like what what what how how didyou get this?
I mean, I'm I'm assuming I liketo say Holy Ghost writer writes
books, but like what was whathappened?
Like, were you out walking oneday and it like that?
Tell us more about that.
SPEAKER_01 (47:14):
How did you get sick of all the just everything's
let's have a meaning, let's haveanother study.
I'm like, are we gonna actuallydo anything?
Like, we're not here just toexegete the text, we have to
execute the mission.
Say that again.
No, we don't want to justexegete the text.
We want to do that.
We want to draw out the meaningof the text and you know
(47:36):
understand, but we have toexecute the mission.
Don't just be hearers of theword, be doers.
SPEAKER_02 (47:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (47:43):
And Jesus blessed are you if you do these things.
Not just cure these things,teaching them to obey everything
I've commanded you.
It's part of the greatcommission.
And it's not just teaching them,it's teaching them to obey.
And so this book is really aboutactivating radical like Jesus is
about activating your faith uhin very real-world um
(48:07):
situations.
And it goes from spiritualdisciplines to actual evangelism
where there will be somechallenges.
SPEAKER_00 (48:14):
Yeah.
Um you give us an example?
Like, would you be open togiving us like one challenge?
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (48:20):
So I'll give you the hardest challenge.
So all the challenges are brokenup into easy, medium, and
difficult.
SPEAKER_00 (48:28):
Now, is it based on how far you get in the book, or
you get to two?
SPEAKER_01 (48:32):
No, no, no, I just mix it up.
So some of them, some of themare easy, some of them are
medium.
Okay.
Just a few of them aredifficult.
Well, one of the I'll give youthe most difficult one for a lot
of people.
And it's to as a couple or as agroup, go where there's homeless
pe uh population, find ahomeless person, see if you can
(48:53):
take them out to lunch or dinnerand hear their story, and if
possible, share the gospel.
SPEAKER_02 (48:58):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (48:59):
This absolutely mortified my lovely bride.
SPEAKER_02 (49:03):
Who did it?
SPEAKER_01 (49:04):
Oh my goodness.
Until we went.
And we found this homeless guy.
SPEAKER_02 (49:11):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (49:12):
And he was I think he thought I was some kind of
trafficker.
SPEAKER_02 (49:17):
Oh no.
SPEAKER_01 (49:19):
And my wife goes, please don't be afraid of my
husband.
Come with us, let us buy youdinner.
And we just want to talk to you,just want to hear your story.
Well, my wife could get anybodyto do anything because she's so
sweet.
He came and he told us his wholestory.
And now he became homeless andit was interesting.
(49:39):
And I shared the gospel withhim.
And he didn't place his faith inChrist, but we said goodbye.
I thought my wife was gonna cry.
And she told me, it was just shewalked away and she said, I will
never view a homeless person thesame again.
I will view all of them as athey have they have a story.
SPEAKER_02 (49:57):
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (50:01):
So there's 21 challenges.
That's the probably the hardestone.
Okay.
But all of them will shift youto be more and more radical like
Jesus.
Not a radical for Jesus.
We don't need any more of them.
We need radicals who are likeJesus.
SPEAKER_00 (50:18):
So powerful.
I am so getting your book.
And I'm gonna recommend it to mymembers.
SPEAKER_01 (50:23):
I'll send you, I'll I'll send you one.
SPEAKER_00 (50:26):
So I love that word radical.
I think it's amazing.
I shared with you before we gotstarted.
There's a a movie that Irecently watched.
And, you know, part of what I doeven with clients, I tell them
about movies to go watch.
And this movie is so powerful.
Um, it's called Radical.
It's it's in Spanish, you know,English subtitles.
(50:46):
So good about a teacher and justyeah, radical.
SPEAKER_01 (50:52):
Yeah.
Well, I'm gonna watch it with mywife because she's a teacher,
she's a radical teacher.
SPEAKER_00 (50:57):
It's so good.
I I do feel like you know, somany of us um are called to to
come out of the box, whateverthat looks like in different
ways.
I like to say I I don't fit in abox, I burn boxes.
There you go.
Um, because he he's Jesus waswild.
I mean, he truly was, likeaccording to the world standard,
(51:18):
right?
What do you think is the likewildest thing about Jesus that
you there's a book out calledJesus Mean and Wild.
SPEAKER_01 (51:25):
It's interesting.
What is it called?
Jesus Mean and Wild.
Oh and it's it's you know he'sactually very pro-Jesus.
This is uh, you know, uh umJesus.
I think he knew how to comfortthe afflicted and afflict the
comforted.
He cleaned out the temple twice.
SPEAKER_02 (51:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (51:47):
And once at the beginning of his ministry, once
at the end, some people estimateup to 5,000 money changers.
That he there's at leasthundreds.
Because he had such a zeal forthe honor of his father and such
a love for the broken, yeah.
The way he interacted with thewoman at the well.
(52:08):
Jewish men wouldn't even talk toJewish women in public, let
alone Samaritan women, right?
Would consider less than dogs bythe Jewish community.
But here Jesus is purposelygoing through Samaritan.
I mean, yeah, every story.
I mean, that's it was one of thefun things about writing radical
like Jesus is just saying, oh mygoodness, yeah, he was radical
(52:29):
on every level.
Yes.
You know, yeah.
I mean, even as a 12-year-old.
He picks up in the back to justhang out and ask questions for
three days.
I don't even know where I wassaying, where did he sleep?
Or did he sleep?
Did he just and he wassynthesizing his systematic
(52:51):
theology because they're theywere amazed at his
understanding, and that word iskind of the synthesis word.
He is he's put things togetherfaster than everything else.
He's processing it, you know.
Yeah, anyway, just Jesus isradical.
SPEAKER_00 (53:08):
Yes.
Well, who's who's your favoritelike person in the Bible besides
Jesus?
SPEAKER_01 (53:15):
I'd say old testament's David.
I just I love young David,especially.
Young and hungry David, liketelling Goliath.
SPEAKER_02 (53:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (53:27):
I love that story.
I imagine him as a 15-year-oldbecause he had seven older
brothers, and only the threeoldest were old enough to fight,
and to be 20 years old and olderto fight.
There's a good chance he waslike 15.
Um he was definitely a teenager.
(53:48):
Yeah, and then the apostle Paulin the New Testament, Paul.
Yeah, just relentless apostle tothe Gentiles and beat up, torn
up, yeah, right, missing someteeth from all the stonings and
beatings.
SPEAKER_00 (54:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (54:10):
Yes, God used them in powerful ways.
I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (54:12):
Tenacious is all get up, right?
SPEAKER_01 (54:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (54:17):
Well, this has been incredibly fun.
And I'm so thankful for just theway that God, you know, rescued
you, you know, at your youngage, your whole family, like
just the ripple effect of youryes.
It's I'm sure it's incredible tothink of um when you share your
story again, right?
Um, if you were to think of thatone who's listening in today,
(54:40):
um, do you have anything thatyou would like to share of them?
Any words of encouragement orwisdom that you'd be led to
share?
And then would you pray us outtoday?
SPEAKER_01 (54:48):
Sure, I'll do it.
Um, I would say this if youdon't know that you know that
you know that you have eternallife, that you are saved, that
you are going to heaven when youdie, that God loves you.
He created you to be in arelationship with him.
He says, in our sins, theyseparate us from him.
He's a holy God.
(55:09):
And those sins cannot be removedby good deeds.
So we're under God's wrath andheaded toward hell, and there's
nothing we can do about it.
So God did something about it.
2,000 years ago, he sent his sonJesus into the world, and Jesus
became one of us, the God man.
Lived a perfect life we couldnever live, and died the death
that we deserve, paid the pricefor all of our sins, past,
(55:29):
present, and future on thecross.
He said, It is finished.
You died, he was buried, he roseagain, proving he wasn't just
another historical figure, hewas God in the flesh.
And now everyone who simplytrusts in him alone has eternal
life.
It's not by trying, it's bytrusting in Jesus and what he
did for you on the cross.
And as soon as you trust in himand say, God save me, I can't
(55:50):
save myself.
You need to please save me.
In that moment of faith, youreceive the gift of eternal
life.
And that life that Jesus startsnow and lasts forever.
It's not a license to sin, it'sa reason to serve God with all
your heart because you'regrateful for the free gift of
eternal life.
So if you've never placed yourfaith in him, trust in Jesus
right now, receive that gift ofeternal life.
(56:12):
If you have already trusted inhim, share that message.
You got the winning lottoticket.
You got something worse thancancer.
Share it with everyone you canin a loving, compassionate,
prayerful way.
And God can use you.
Let me pray for you.
Father, I just thank you forthis time.
Thank you for this podcast.
(56:33):
Use it to encourage many uh withthe hope of Jesus Christ, the
power of the gospel and thepotential of young people.
In Jesus' name.
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (56:42):
Amen.
Well, thank you, Greg, for beinga brave voice who's setting so
many free.
I'm gonna close with theanchoring verse over Hope
Unlocked.
It's may the God of hope fillyou with all joy and peace and
believing, so that by the powerof the Holy Spirit you may
abound in hope.
And that's Romans 15, 13.
So thank you.
I will be sure to add everythingto the show notes how you can
(57:03):
get a hold of Greg.
Um, do you want to just sharereally quick what's the best way
to get a hold of you?
And then I'll also add it.
SPEAKER_01 (57:08):
Maybe on Instagram or Twitter.
I'm just Greg Steer, S-T-I-E-R.
Just Greg Steer.
SPEAKER_00 (57:15):
Sounds good.
Well, we'll link that up in theshow notes and be sure to reach
out to him, grab his book.
I can't wait to read it.
And I'll be back with anotherepisode next week.
Have a good one.
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