August 28, 2025 • 81 mins
In this powerful episode of Hope Unlocked, host Kristin Kurtz welcomes Dr. Linda Lee Tarver, a leader, author, and ministry voice with a remarkable journey of faith, politics, and education reform. She shares her upbringing as the youngest of ten, her family’s history of resilience, and her call from God into the political arena. From serving as an election integrity expert, to prison and jail ministry, to writing Dyed in the Wool, she reveals how righteousness, education, and faith can shape generations. Tune in for an inspiring conversation on courage, calling, and God’s hand in public service.
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
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Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me.
Welcome Dr Linda Lee Tarver tothe show.
I am so thrilled to have her ontoday.
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She is a mutual connection ofJulie Nowaczki on today.
She is a mutual connection ofJulie Nowaczki and you know it's
honestly one of the mostexciting things for me is to
have people on that I don't knowvery well because I get to know
them better usually through theinterview.
So would you be open to sharinga little bit more about
yourself before we get started?
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Thank you so much, Kristen, for having me.
The Lord bless you and keep youfor it.
So my name is Linda Lee Tarver.
I have an interestingbackground and upbringing.
I'm the youngest of 10 children.
My parents moved here, moved toMichigan.
Here where I live is inMichigan.
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They moved to Michigan fromEvergreen, alabama.
My father was born in 1923 andmy mother was born in 1924 and I
list those years because it was, you know, the early 1900s.
It's a lot racism.
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I happened to be hailing from ablack family and there was a
lot of significant challengesgoing on at the time that my
parents were younger.
Two children one each fromprevious marriages, and at one
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time my father's brother, myuncle, was hung by the Ku Klux
Klan, so he was lynched inAlabama.
My father immediately left hishome, the rest of his family and
I packed up my mother and mytwo oldest siblings and they
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drove to South Bend, indiana,where they got married, and then
they drove to Lansing, michigan, where they settled and raised
their family.
Oh wow, so that was the startfor my family.
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I've lived in Michigan all mylife.
I worked in Michigan in variouscapacities, but I spent most of
affairs director for theSecretary of State here.
I served as a gubernatorialappointee for the Michigan Civil
Rights Commission and I have.
I'm married, I have two adultchildren and two perfect
grandchildren.
I have two degrees, doctoratedegrees one in theology and the
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second degree is in education.
So my desire to pursueeducation in it and to ensure
that we have quality educationand usher in quality education
in the state of Michigan inparticular is vitally essential.
I spent some time serving incommunity forums for the Lansing
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Promise Zone offeringscholarship to children, but
I've served in ministry for mostof my adult life, serving the
Lord, trying to serve in variouscapacities.
I served in prison ministry andI'm in a jail ministry at my
new church and served as aSunday school teacher.
So that's who I am, withvarious other roles going on
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there.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Wow.
So I love sounds like you'rekind of similar to me in some
ways where it's like thatmulti-passionate right it's not,
you're on just one track.
I think a lot of times peoplecan get kind of pigeonholed into
one track, but he's called youto be multifaceted, right.
Yes absolutely so.
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In these roles that you've beenin, I just feel led to ask,
like what has been the mostfulfilling, but also the most
challenging?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
So I'm the youngest of 10.
And from a predominantly, youknow, a black family and I, my
parents, were politicallyconservative, I will go with
that.
So both of them werepolitically conservative.
My siblings did not take onthat conservatism, but I did, so
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I was considered the onlyRepublican in my family.
Yeah, that was.
I was kind of a different, anodd duck in that respect.
And and the Lord called me intopolitics.
He called me to the field ofpolitics and I did not want to
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go.
I felt like Jonah not wantingto go to Nineveh, and I knew
that it was 30 years ago.
I participated, I startedgetting involved in politics,
republican Party politics Knewnothing about it, knew nothing
about what was going on, but Idid hear the voice of the Lord
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very clearly.
When I attempted to ignore him,he spoke to me and yeah, yeah,
I'm like, okay, I'm not tryingto do the whale action, um, so I
will obey.
And so I looked up Republicanparty in my city.
I couldn't find a city and aRepublican party.
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And then I looked up in mycounty and so I found the county
party.
Who knew that they were bycounties, right.
So I found out where they weremeeting and I anticipated seeing
rich white guys smoking cigars.
I really did, and you know, noone that looked like me.
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I would be an odd duck and, um,they wouldn't want me, but I,
the Lord, told me to go.
So I found out where they were.
I used the old school GPS, whichwas a map, to find out where
they were.
This is paper.
Everybody Paper maps.
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Yes, the old school GPS.
Yes, I needed to find out wherethey were meeting.
And I found out and I didn'tknow how to get there.
So I read my little map andplotted my course, gave myself
ample time to park and to get inand to try to sit in the back
and be anonymous, and so I Idrove there and, um, I thought,
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wow, okay, there's a lot ofpeople here for this meeting.
I, you know, I thought maybethere was another meeting going
on, but there cannot be thatmany Republicans here.
But it was full and I walked inand I saw people who looked
like me Not a lot, but theylooked like me and I saw all
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shapes and sizes and professions, and farmers and receptionists,
businessmen, stay-at-home moms.
I saw the slice of America,every walk of life, different
backgrounds, coming together tosit down to talk about our
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government and policies anddifferent things like that and I
thought I have met my people.
I said I've met my people andthey welcomed me and they asked
questions about me because theywere we've never seen you before
and they wanted to get to knowme and I was somewhat of an
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extrovert, so I didn't mindsharing.
And I saw a gentleman that Imet through theater I
participated in communitytheater and he was there and I
thought, wow, I didn't know hewas a Republican.
So, um, you know, I just Ithought, wow, this was
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interesting yeah and I joined, Isaid you know what?
I care about my city, I careabout my county, I care about my
state, I care about my country,and I don't know what more to
do than to yell at a TV set.
And you know what can I do,lord?
So he said get engaged.
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And I'm not saying that theRepublican Party is the end
answer.
It was where the Lord sent me.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
And so it is not necessarily the answer for all
Christians or believers, andthis is the party of Jesus, and
I'm not saying that at all.
What I'm saying is that this iswhat the Lord, the path of the
Lord, set me on.
Yeah.
And I um.
A few years after that, Ibecame the vice chair of the
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County and then, a year afterthat, I became the chair of the
county.
Wow, I did quite well as chairof the county, winning elections
for our county, commissionersand different things like that
and then I became vice chair ofthe michigan republican party oh
, wow and then I became uhpresident of the republican
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women's Federation of Michigan.
Wow.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, I'm not interested to God elevating you.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah, so, but it was.
It was not necessarily for me.
He still wanted me to preachand proclaim that righteousness
availeth a nation, and so thatscripture righteousness availeth
the nation, and sin is areproach.
How do we elevate our nation?
And the Lord said righteousness.
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And so that's what I've beentalking to do right, to do right
things, to have right policiesand to be about his business and
to be in a place where you cansay these policies are right and
these are policies that arewicked.
And so there are right policiesand there are right things that
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are right to the Lord andpleasing to the Lord.
And so I wrote a book calledDied in the Wool.
It's a biblical guide forRepublican women, so I wrote
that as a part of a desire formy dissertation in theology.
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I wrote it for that purpose,but I published it and it is so
blessed because it allows me toexpress my heart for the Lord
and what he's trying to do inthis nation and for us, in
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addition to his love for hisdaughters and how he's used them
over the centuries to to do hiswork and his will.
And it doesn't have to betraditional.
You know, I my Sunday schoolclassroom at one point was a
hundred thousand people on themall of the Washington DC mall
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preaching Jesus from a podium,and you know, that's that's kind
of where he's led me to do tojust preach Jesus and and the
policies that are righteousbefore him.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yes, wow.
So can I have you go back alittle bit?
To you said 30 years ago youwere let in, correct for 30
years, 30 years ago, um.
So at that time do you recall,like was there something
stirring?
Um, because I can't rememberback that far, I was 17, I
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wasn't paying attention to whatwas going on and a lot of people
were is there something thatwas stirring at that time, that
really got your attention andyou're like I need to.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I started listening to Rush Limbaugh at work, okay,
and there were things going on30 years ago Dealing with our
culture.
There, years ago, dealing withour culture, there was a shift
in our culture and a shift inour moral values as well.
That would that at the time,you know, seemed like a terrible
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shift in our values, values,but, um, especially in the black
community, we were not seeingthe results of education and the
quality of education.
Again.
The lord placed education as onmy heart and the monies that
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was being invested was notreaping the benefits of that
investment and as a taxpayer, Ifelt like we were being robbed
of our tax dollars and notgetting the quality education
that we needed.
I saw nieces and nephews andthis is before my children were
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born but this was an assault, inmy opinion.
Well, no, actually after mychildren were forced to either
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go to a school that were goingto fail them or or do schools of
choice.
That was the bigger issue ofeducation under Trump 45.
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But years before that, she wasan advocate for education and
these people ushered in, theseRepublicans ushered in schools
of choice, and I lived in thecity, an urban community here.
Um, it was not as urban as itis now, but, um, the quality of
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education was non-existent.
I saw this as a nephews whowere graduating without being
able to read and write seriously.
Oh, yeah, yeah, that's that'sto death.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Like how is that even possible?
Like I'm just curious, like howis that even possible?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
so they, my nephew, stayed with me.
Um, so my niece and nephew,they lived with me for a short
period and I went to aparent-teacher conference with
him and I said you know, hisgrades are atrocious.
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What can we do to help?
This teacher told me if he doesnot bring a gun to school or
kill anybody, he's going tograduate.
Stop it.
I kid you not.
And he did.
I cried.
I didn't even want him to seeme cry, but I cried tears.
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My children came on the scene.
I decided that I was not goingto allow my children to die on
the vine.
In the Lansing public schools.
So they had just passed schoolsof choice.
I was supporting thatinitiative through the County
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Republican Party and the stateGOP to get people to vote for it
and support it.
Um, but it was.
And the lawmakers?
I started lobbying lawmakers tosupport school of choice and
they did um, through thisgovernor and through Betsy DeVos
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.
I really don't care what peoplesay about her.
I love that woman because I sheallowed me to send my children
to a school district where theythrive, where they had the
ability to thrive.
Yeah, and otherwise I would havehad to try to move to a
district and what have you.
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And a lot of parents aretrapped where they live and
cannot easily move their lives.
But at the time that was thebigger issue with school of
choice.
30 years ago, 30 plus years ago, that really got, got me out of
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the out of the couch.
It wasn't even just for mychildren, it was for everybody's
children and anyone's childrenthat was stuck there.
So I drove my children to adifferent county every day.
Um, I got up at four o'clock inthe morning.
Wow, four, four am two.
But consider michigan.
I know that you're in a uh state, but consider yeah um, getting
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up, getting kids together withthe snow boots, snow this,
everything, lunch pack, bail, uh, backpacks, signing homework
make sure it's in the bag.
I had to be at my office at 745, in my desk at my seat at 745
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am and I had to get my childrento the daycare not daycare,
basically, it was to my mother'shouse so that they could go to
the school.
She lived in that county and Idrove them to my mother's house.
I dropped them off, I drove tomy parking spot, you know, three
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blocks from my office.
I parked and trekked in therain, sleep, rain, sunshine and
winter weather and I was at mydesk at 745 every morning.
So that was worth it because mykids were able to graduate with
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full honors and fullscholarship.
And other children who their agein the Lansing public schools
did not fare that well and theirchildren you know some of them
were in trouble, some of themwent to jail, some of them
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didn't graduate, graduate, andso it is.
That was the thing that reallystuck with me was that I could
not let my children die likethat.
You know they build prisons inMichigan based on third grade
reading levels.
So they determine, based onyour third grade whether you can
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read at third grade how manyprisons they will beds they need
.
Yes, that is a factor in prisonbeds.
Projecting prison beds is thirdgrade reading level, I kid you
not.
Yes, because they know if youcan't read you will likely not
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graduate.
And if you don't graduate andyou don't have a father in the
home, then you're likely tocommit some crimes and then the
state will have to care for you.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah.
So I love how like he led youinto that realm of education,
not only for your own children,but obviously this is it's
generational too, right?
Yes, it has, like our yes hasgenerational implications, is
what he keeps showing me.
To be obedient when it'suncomfortable, when it's you
know you woke up early, I'm sureyou sacrifice sleep, but
knowing the long game for yourkids and the kids around, right,
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Because was there other parentsthat kind of followed suit with
you then?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Absolutely.
There was several parents thatyou know.
We didn't have transportation,so you know, if you started
schools of choice, it was veryhostile.
It's still hostile.
Subject at the time publicschools and those who support
the public schools.
Subject at the time publicschools and those who support
the public schools.
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My children went to a publicschool but it was such a quality
public school that I needed totake them to a different county.
I needed to drive them outsideof my city into a different city
to go to school, into adifferent county to go to school
, and it was just that important.
I would have driven a hundredmiles if that was the case to do
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that, and it was.
It was not that far for me butit was necessary for me to do
that.
But it was difficult to topersuade and that's where
politics came into play.
The Lord wanted me tounderstand policy and politics
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and lobbying and persuasion inorder to just petition you know
this is a petition I petitionedthe government government I've
interviewed, you know I wasinterviewed before subcommittees
in our state legislature andour Senate and our House to
persuade them to vote a certainway and I learned that through
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politics, through my RepublicanParty activism.
He used that as a tool toamplify righteousness that
availeth the nation and notnecessarily a political party.
But I love my party.
I really do love my Republicanparty.
I really do, but I know that hehas used this time in the party
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to advance what he desires.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah, well, I'm just thinking of so.
You know, hope Unlocked reachesother countries, and we know
that governments are set updifferently in other countries.
Would you be open to justsharing maybe some of the
differences here in the US, kindof on a you know low level of
what Republican means Absolutely.
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So even those who maybe livehere, who really aren't super
involved, would have a littlebit more knowledge as to what
that means, because we are in atime that some of these words
are very weaponized.
Yes, so I'll just leave it atthat.
Maybe you can go down thatrabbit trail a little bit.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Absolutely so.
The United States was basically.
Let's go back to July 2nd 1776.
July 2nd 1776 is when July 2nd1776 is when July 2nd.
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July 2nd 1776 is when the ourlawmakers at the time, the
Continental Congress, approvedthe Declaration of Independence
and they approved it on July 2ndand they signed it July 4th
1776.
And they started with theDeclaration of Independence from
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England, from Great Britain.
I go back that far because it'snecessary to understand the
politics at the time.
There was no political partiesat the time.
It was those who calledthemselves part of the 13
colonies.
They were colonists that camein to set up a freedom of
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religion, not from religion,freedom of religion here in the
Americas.
They started off with 13colonies and we were under
British control.
The King of England was atyrant and so during the time we
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went to war to fight, beforeJuly 2nd, we were already at war
with Great Britain, fightingskirmishes of injustices, and so
they organized a government,the Continental Congress, and
they decided to declareindependence.
And they declared independenceon July 4th.
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We had the signers who signedit, and that was the document.
The beginning of the document ispretty much standard.
People hear it and they read itand it says you know, in the
second paragraph we hold thesetruths to be self-evident that
all men are created equal andendowed by their creator with
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certain inalienable rights likeliberty and the pursuit of
happiness.
But in the middle of theDeclaration of Independence that
people do not read, it says letfacts be submitted to prove
this.
Let facts be submitted to acandid world be submitted to
prove this.
Let facts be submitted to acandid world.
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And they, they did what I callthe martin luther protestant um
thesis.
These 95, theses.
They listed all of the things,the tyrannical things that were
occurring to the citizens ofthese amer.
They listed things that werehorrific treatment by the king
to these 13 colonies.
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And people need to read thosethings.
Those are the things that ournation has decided that it would
never go back to, it wouldnever allow happen, and that
these things were worth dyingfor.
So we fought a war, the War ofIndependence.
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We won, and in Paris theydecided to acknowledge the
Americas.
Fast forward, we get theConstitution of the United
States.
It's a more formal document.
We declared our independence,july 4th 1776, which on Friday
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we will be celebrating and so weare excited about what the Lord
is doing for this very youngcountry.
But we have the Constitution ofthe United States and that's
when political parties startedto form.
The Democrat Party is one ofthe oldest parties.
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Party uh was formed and um,they were looking at at the time
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.
The democratic party focused inon um what they considered a
states and they were wooed bybasically those Southern states
and the cotton farmers and otheragricultural elites.
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They were looking at them.
Then we had other partiescalled the Whigs, the Freedmen's
Party and other groups thatwere there, that represented in
our Congress.
But in 1865, the RepublicanParty was founded.
It was in Wisconsin that it wascreated, conceived and then it
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was birthed in Jackson Michigan.
Their first convention of theRepublican Party was in Jackson
Michigan.
It had three tenants.
Three tenants, that was theplatform of the Republican Party
had just three tenants toperpetuate the union, to abolish
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slavery, perpetuate the union.
And I can't remember the thirdone.
Uh, I can't remember the thirdone, but the um, the founding
beliefs, was uh, july 6th 1854.
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Wow.
Um, and that was.
It was in Rippon, wisconsin.
It was conceived and birthed inum, rippon, Wisconsin.
It was conceived and birthed inJackson, michigan, under the
Oaks.
And so those were the threetenets of the Republican Party
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and it was the party thatstarted Abraham Lincoln.
So our first nominee forpresident was Abraham Lincoln,
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was the first Republican fromour convention here in Jackson,
michigan, heavily involved intothe Underground Railroad and
heavily involved into freedomand liberty.
That is why it was started.
Foundation, the foundation ofthe Republican Party was to
abolish slavery, vindicatedemocracy and perpetuate the
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union.
Those were the three.
There you go.
So that was the purpose of itsfounding and those were the
three things.
We need to keep the nationtogether.
We want to vindicate democracy,because we felt that it was.
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It was not existent for thosewho are, who were enslaved, and
and we wanted to abolish slavery.
That was it.
Those were the three foundingfrom that liberty.
Freedom and all men are createdequal.
That founding resonated with meand the platforms of the
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Republican Party since the timefor the last I want to say 33
years, over 34 years that I'vebeen involved have always been
God-honoring in my opinion, andalways look to liberate the
marginalized, and that is whatI've looked at.
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So these two major politicalparties, the Democrat Party and
the Republican Party, have beencoexisting for the century, you
know the couple of hundred years, basically that they've been
enacted and they have hadvarious ways of looking at our
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nation and forming our nationand, depending on the votes of
the people and depending on thevotes of the people.
The views of these particularpolitical party have been
prevalent in some states and notso much in other states.
And so we do have a democracy,a democratic approach to
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elections, but we are aconstitutional republic and
because we are a constitutionalrepublic, the democracy which is
the majority wins is notnecessarily the case in our
nation.
Years, ours, are going over,you know, hundreds of years now
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with their constitution.
But we are our two majorpolitical parties.
One is the Democrat Party weare basically a primarily two
party system and the RepublicanParty.
Our platforms, our positionsare what unify these voters and
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these groups of people and theattempt to say align with us and
vote with us so that we mayadvance these principles, these,
this platform, this is what wewant done.
And the other party, thedemocratic party, say align with
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us and line with this and thisis what we'll advance.
And so you know, that's kind ofthe for the other nations.
There are some here that weselect one person to be
president of the United States.
We have three branches ofgovernment.
We have the executive branch,which is led by our president,
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article one of our nation, andarticle three is our judicial
branch, which is theestablishment of the Supreme
Court.
So we have nine members of theUnited States Supreme Court,
established by the legislature,by Congress, and they have the
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authority for the, for thejudicial branch of government,
and they are the law of the land, so to speak, for all things
judicial.
The functions of each arelisted out, but the Lord
established three equal branchesof government.
I believe our forefathers didin Isaiah 33 and 22.
Isaiah 33 and 22 says that theLord is my lawmaker, the Lord is
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my judge, the Lord is my kingand it is he who will save us.
Those are the three equalbranches of government listed in
our constitution.
Wow, the judicial branch, thelegislative branch, and the King
, which is the executive branch.
Wow, but it is God who willsave us.
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Parallel.
That is where I believe thatthey received the.
I believe that our constitutionis God inspired, holy Spirit
inspired.
I do believe that our laws,many of our laws that we see
today, are lifted definitelyfrom the word of God.
Concerning the laws, especiallycrime and punishment and civil
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suits, civil cases, restitutionis in the Bible.
Mostly everything that you canimagine in terms of our laws and
how we govern in the UnitedStates of America comes from the
written word of God, the HolyScriptures, and I can point them
to you.
I do a civics course, I teach,and it is um definitely lifted
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from the word of God.
But I know that our three equalbranches of government, our
three unequal branches ofgovernment, come from Isaiah 33
and 22, that there is no placefound.
Three and 22,.
That there is no place found,that I have found written before
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the constitution was enacted,that those three equal branches
or branches of government inreference to God himself God is
our judge, god is our lawmakerand God is our king Three equal
branches of government, thosethree things are listed in that
one scripture and I do believethat our forefathers looked at
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that and said that these threebranches should occur.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Branches should occur .
That's amazing, you know.
It's interesting.
I'm thinking back to was it afew weeks ago, when there was
protests happening around thenation like the no Kings
protests, and I just feel freeto share on what you're thinking
on that.
I would love for you to kind ofgo deeper on.
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You know, what are we seeing inthese?
I would say, especially thelast five years.
I'm similar to you, I, you know, back 30 years ago for you, I,
I honestly I don't feel calledto politics, but I've actually
been, you know, looking intothings more in the last five
years.
It was kind like I woke up alittle bit.
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It was like, okay, well, thingsare are a little uh, off off
kilter here, right?
yeah, I I agree a little.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
You know I'm saying yes, I thought my unction for
politics that the Lord took meto was not going to last.
Okay.
I honestly felt that it wouldbe like a little thing a little
time.
Go and take care of school ofchoice.
That was it.
Then I can wash my hands ofpolitics and go back and enjoy
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my life, because I don't want toget any deeper to anything and
you know, what I don't knowwon't hurt me, I thought.
But the Lord said everything.
He is in the public square.
He's in the public square andeverything that is going on
matters to the Lord.
He is our judge, he is ourlawmaker and he is our king.
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And it is he who saves us.
And he says righteousnessavaileth the nation, and sin is
a reproach.
He has placed leaders to dorighteous ruling and not wicked
ruling.
There's so many scriptures thatwhen the righteous are in
authority, the people rejoice,but when the wicked rule, the
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people mourn.
There's another scripture thatsays when the wicked are in
authority, good people hide, andwhen they lose their power, the
righteous rule again.
And you know Proverbs 28 and28,.
That is one of the things thatI looked at in the word of God.
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Concerning politics, I havefollowed the political parties
and and I don't worship at thewell of political parties yeah,
I, I, even though I've been toldthat I do, but I, I don't, I, I
enjoy now, uh, proverbs 28, 28when the wicked rise to power,
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people go into hiding, but when,when the wicked perish, the
righteous thrive.
You know, I believe that theword of God is true.
The Lord does not hategovernment.
He says the king's heart is inhis hand, and that is the truth.
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He decides what they will doand what they won't do, and how
well they will do.
He sets in authority who hechooses, and some is to get our
attention and some is to allowus to thrive.
And so I didn't really realizethat, how important it is for us
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to engage and bring the HolySpirit, bring Jesus, in the
public square, and so I startedgetting engaged into politics.
People have no idea howimportant it is for you to care
about your nation and about yourneighbors, and one of the
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things that you are allowed todo, if you are qualified, is to
vote.
But just voting is not enough,and I found that out 34 years
ago, kristen that voting is justnot enough.
You must engage in your societyand you must go out of your
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four walls of your home and knowwhat is happening to the people
, know what is going on withyour government, and to speak
out and to not stop speaking.
Stop speaking.
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So the Lord looked at I followedthe Democrat politics in August
of 2019.
And people can do a simpleGoogle search the Democrat party
met with the DNC DemocratNational Committee, and these
are representatives from all 50states Committee, and these are
representatives from all 50states and they at least three
representatives from all 50states and they meet at a
location and they decide theDemocrat National Committee
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activities for the NationalDemocrat Party.
Well, they met in August of2019.
And I really want people toreally follow this and to just
do the search to find out thatwhat I'm saying is accurate.
Yeah, the Democrat Party met inAugust August 24th, I believe,
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of 2019.
And they decided this governingbody of the Democrat Party
nationally decided to embraceand to highlight and to amplify
the voice of unbelievers,non-believers.
They formally put together aresolution that says the values
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of non-believers, non-religiouspeople, religiously unaffiliated
folks and the like representthe Democrat Party.
Wow, they did that.
I didn't know that.
A formal resolution Wow, theLord allowed me to see it, find
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it.
Resolution the Lord allowed meto see it, find it.
And I had been alerting peoplethat if you see the devil reign
inside the Democrat party, it isbecause of that one resolution
that they agreed on thatunbelievers represent the values
of the Democrat party.
I can't even make this up.
Wow, democrat party.
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I can't even make this up,kristen, I can't.
Yeah, I cannot.
It was August of 2019.
The DNC, the atheist, friendlyatheist group.
They hailed it as a win.
The non-believing,non-religious groups hailed it
as a win.
Religious groups hailed it as awin.
They thought that Christiansand religious people Muslims,
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Christians, buddhists, you nameit went for Republicans, were
more for the Republican Partyand they did not want to compete
with them.
They said that the growingnumber of people that they are
seeing right now voters werereligiously unaffiliated,
non-believers.
Wow, and so, because of that,their policies since 2019 have
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favored the, those who arereligiously unaffiliated.
Revelation 21 and 8.
Revelation 21 and 8 is thescripture that I pulled up that
day that they passed thatresolution.
It says the fearful, theunbelieving and the abominable,
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and murderers and whoremong,sorcerers and idolaters and all
liars shall have their part inthe lake which burneth with fire
and brimstone.
That is what Revelation 21 and8 says the fearful and the
unbelieving.
And when a political party saysthat we want unbelievers, we
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are a party of unbelievers.
That is who they say that theyare.
Wow, then you must believe them, and spiritually, for me, the
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Democratic Party has walked inthat resolution that they passed
.
Women and women transgendersopening private spaces,
bathrooms and locker rooms tomen, with women and young girls
exposing themselves the thenakedness at pride festivities.
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These things come from a partythat are advancing the hatred of
the Jews.
Yes, the Antifata thing fromthe guy in New York who is now
the Democratic nominee for mayorof New York.
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These things are not surprisingwhen you go back to August of
2019.
When you invite nonbelievers inand say they represent our
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values, then you do the openborders, the destruction,
stealing, killing and destroyinggeneral mutilation for children
, embracing pornography inschools things that we would not
even imagine.
But the source of all thatKristen is the August of 2019
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resolution by a political partyto embrace non-believers Wow.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
That's the source of that.
A massive shift, at least I'msure.
If you didn't see a massiveshift, 2019 is when it occurred.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
Wow, 2019 is when it occurred.
It was there before, but theyformalized it like the Tower of
Babel, like the people with theTower of Babel, like the wicked,
and conspire and highlighttheir agenda that places at risk
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and that does no good deed.
Then you have to believe themand that is the source for it.
And so everything that comesout of that party is not
surprising to me.
It is surprising to many and tomany who belong to the party.
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It becomes now unrecognizableonly because they have invited
the devil.
In my opinion, they invited thedevil into their political,
political tent and he isreigning.
They, the satanists of texas,joined with the democrats of
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texas, the democrat party oftexas, to come against the texas
law that banned abortion, andthe Democrats and the Satanists
joined in to come againstbecause they said the Satanists
said that their frequencypractice, their religion, was
there and that, because abortionis part of their worship, that
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they would not be able to haveabortions in Texas.
That would violate theirreligious beliefs.
And so this is where you seewho the allies of the Democrat
Party are, when sickness and themasses are joining forces with
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the Democrat Party.
You know that they were invitedin and their values, according
to their resolution, theunbelievers values represent the
Democrat Party, and so I sharethat with you, because now I
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have to know how to pray yes,and then know how to operate
when I'm speaking with peoplewho want to belong to a
political entity, but they arealigning with, especially,
christians Christians but theyare aligning with people who
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have, who have placednon-believers and replaced those
who were the saints of.
God from that particularpolitical party.
Their values don't align withGod, their vision does not align
with God and and righteousness.
And so I say that because I'm soglad that the Lord told me to
move on a political entity, theRepublican Party, 34 years ago,
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to give voice to that party andto those who would listen about
Jesus and that he is, thegovernment is on his shoulders
and that righteousness availeththe nation and to pursue the
righteous running for office andto encourage and support
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children of the most high God torun for office and to do good
and no harm.
To run for office and to do goodand no harm.
And so that's kind of where Ihave been and to kind of walk
through that it is okay toengage in politics because the
Lord does not back down frompolitics.
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He instituted it and I believeour nation, which says in God,
we trust our currency, says inGod, we trust that.
That is where we are Foundersfounded this nation.
We are endowed by our creatorthere is a creator that they
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acknowledged for the Fourth ofJuly, that they signed that we
are endowed by our creator withcertain inalienable rights life,
liberty, and to pursue ourhappiness.
And so I try to encourage andstrengthen the saints to engage
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in this political discourse inthe name of Jesus and not in our
own name, but to align withthose who, and only a party who,
honors God.
And so that's kind of where I'mat politically.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
So this is so rich, like I'm sure there's people
listening in that are like, wow,this is incredible.
So if somebody is listening inand they're like you know, I'm
sure there's people listening inthat are like, wow, this is
incredible.
So if somebody is listening inand they're like you know, I'm
really being stirred.
Um, what would you suggestbeing maybe a first step into,
um, like step into politics,whether it's, you know, is it
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local in your own city, is itcounty?
Like, what are you?
What are you sensing forsomebody who's like yeah, I feel
like I need to get involvedsomehow?
Speaker 3 (55:09):
So I would pray First of all.
I would pray and find out whatthe Lord is telling you to do.
There are so many now groupsnow that you can join.
There's Moms for America andMoms for Liberty.
They weren't there 30 years ago.
The Tea Party showed up afterthe fact.
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I joined the Republican Partybecause there was.
There was no Tea Party.
There was.
There's a Christian coalition.
There are faith and freedom.
Coalitions are so manydifferent groups that operate in
the political realm withouthaving to choose a political
party.
If you are not ready to, youknow, go to bed if the Lord says
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you know, I want you to engagein this political discourse.
I want you to care about thosethings and be an advocate and
speak up for those who cannotspeak up for themselves.
And you can do this.
Everyone should do this to dowhat is right and to understand,
to get a baseline understandingthat God is in the government.
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He is the government, god isour judge, god is our lawmaker
and God is our king Isaiah 33and 22.
And it is he who will save us.
We're not looking for anelected official.
I love President Trump, but I'mnot looking for President Trump
to save me.
Jesus saved me.
I'm looking for President Trumpto be used as a clay in the
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hands of God to mold him, togive him and fill him with his
spirit, and to make gooddecisions that will advance
righteousness in this nation,and to do what is right, to set
what is crooked straight.
When President Trump announcedthat, as of today, this was his
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opening speech, you know, oncehe was inaugurated, there are
only two genders in America.
We went from 71 on July,january 19th 2025, to two.
I was having a party at myhouse who knew.
So again, the Lord goes beforeus to set what is crooked
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straight.
We need to yield to that, inwhatever capacity that we might
be elected to, we might beselected or appointed to any
type of board, but to do theright thing for the right
reasons.
And we found some mothers againfor people looking to say my
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heart is stirred now towardpolitics.
I want them to pray and I wantthem to find a group of and I'm
talking just to Christians.
That's what I believe, that Iam called to speak to the saints
, the siblings, my siblings Prayand find other saints and
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Christians that are in politics,that are doing good and no harm
, that are honoring God wherethey're at.
It may not be a political partyat the time.
It may not be a political partyat the time.
It may be a group that comesalongside a political party, a
conservative group.
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For me, lots of women fightingfor America love the leader.
For that.
She is phenomenal.
She is on the border, she wentto the border, she does national
security.
There was women who aresupporting her efforts moms for
America.
I did.
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I worked alongside with them,did some commercials for them,
traveled with them, spoke ontheir behalf, spoke in DC um to
encourage other moms to comealongside Um.
They groups.
Moms for Liberty is aconservative group.
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The Faith and Freedom.
The Mordecai Mission I'm a partof the Mordecai Mission.
We are Esther's and our men areMordecai's, and these are
groups of people, faith leaders,coming together to advance,
lawmakers, to put in authority.
Because Mordecai and Estherthey ruled, they had the.
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They were lawmakers, they madedecrees and laws and they
implemented them.
The.
She leads America.
These are women, christianwomen.
She leads Michigan.
She leads America.
There's a few chapters acrossthe nation.
I'm part of this group of womenwho are change makers in our
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spheres of influence ingovernment, in law enforcement,
in health care, in ministry, inmedia and various spheres of
influence, the mountains ofinfluence that we have, and we
are asking women to advance thekingdom in their sphere of
influence.
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Wherever you are at, lift upJesus and advance the kingdom of
God.
To do good and no harm, um, andto be a righteous, make
righteous decisions in yoursphere of influence.
Uh, there are a slew of otherorganizations that I joined and
belong to, in addition to theRepublican Party, that I thought
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have value, that advance thekingdom.
But the Republican Party for mehas been the training ground
for me in policy.
So I became a Project 21ambassador.
If you look under Project 21,linda Lee Tarver, project 21,
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linda Lee Tarver, you'll see theNational Center for Public
Policy, and I am an ambassadorfor Project 21, representing
Black community and especiallyissues of policy concerning that
.
That is a fairly new venturethat I have the Lord has been
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calling me toward to look atpolicies that will impact
particularly, in particular,black people and to lift up this
community.
It's a marginalized community.
We're not victims, but we aredefinitely not doing ourselves
any favor, and I believe thatthe policies that are good and
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godly will help us get out ofthose, and that is the cause for
which I engage and advance andavail myself to politics.
Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Wow, you're incredible.
I did want to touch reallyquickly before we'll wrap up
soon.
Maybe we'll have to have youback on again in the future.
But what is your?
What would you say to thechurches?
Because I've heard whether it'sdifferent social media things
or you know, just even in thepulpit, like we don't get
involved in politics.
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What would you say to thechurch?
Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
So the churches have been told that there is a
separation of church and state.
That is not true.
That is not true, it's not trueand it's never been true.
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The church has been sidelinedintentionally by the devil, not
necessarily by a political party, but by the devil himself.
Lie perpetrated that the menand women of God cannot engage
in politics, should not be inpolitics and should not
participate, and that is just alie.
The one thing that I would sayto the churches is to read the
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word of God yourself and look atwhat the Lord has done and has
said, and look at the totalityof the word of God and pray that
the Holy Spirit will open upeyes to see that the kingdoms
that were established, that thegovernmental structure, the
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governors and the likes, and thekings and the likes, the Lord
dealt with them.
There were righteous rulers andwicked rulers throughout the
scriptures, but they were rulersand they were governments, and
the Lord allowed us to see hisword and to read it for
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ourselves.
And I would start with like theHeritage Foundation is a good
start.
There's Hillsdale College herein Michigan that has a great
government and God series thatpeople, that the church and that
the leadership of the churchneeds to recognize and adhere to
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themselves.
Because you know, if youbelieve that the church,
attending services is all thatit is to it for our stewardship
of this earth, then we are notreading the same Bible and some
people might have to read itagain.
The Lord wants us to govern.
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He wants us to govern, but henever wanted us to get a king.
He wanted him to be the king.
He wanted us to have rulers.
He gave us judges, you know.
He gave us rulers, but he neverwanted us to have a king.
We that is the differencebetween having an elected
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president and having a king.
The king does everything foryou.
You rely on the king and youobey the king, and everything
the king says must be obeyed.
He is our king of kings andlord of l, and so he gave us
rulers.
He showed us good rulers andgood leaders and leaders that
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repented, leaders that set orderand for the pastors and the
churches and the leaders and theparishioners of the churches,
having a good foundation.
There's a group called Salt andLight Global here in Lansing
Michigan, Salt and Light Global.
They have great webinars andseminars to understand the role
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of the saints with governmentand government with people and
with the Lord.
And once you have a goodfoundation for your authority in
your community, your country,and serving God from that
authority and serving the Lordwithin the government, instead
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of being angry at the government, become a righteous ruler
within yourself and get othersto support the Lord, and your
candidacy, or support others whoare righteous, is important.
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I think that you should careabout your water prices.
I think that you should careabout it.
My book Died in the Wool.
The first chapter of my book inDied in the Wool.
For the pastors and thepreachers and the Sunday school
teachers because I'm a Sundayschool teacher.
The first chapter is of thefive daughters of Zephyr Head.
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It is out of Numbers 27.
There were five daughters ofZephyr Head in Numbers 27.
They had no brothers and theirfather died.
They were getting no propertyand it was going to go to their
male relatives.
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They went to the tent ofmeeting and petitioned their
government.
They petitioned Moses and saidour father died for his own sins
, but we demand something fromour father's inheritance.
And so Moses rightly so, arighteous ruler said let me
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inquire of God.
Moses went to the Lord and saidyou know, these five daughters
of Zephyr are coming to me and Ineed to know what to do.
And the word of God said Godtold them that the five
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daughters, what Zelophehad'sdaughters are saying, is right.
You must certainly give themproperty as an inheritance
amongst their father's relativesand give their father's
inheritance to them After Godcommanded this case law for
property rights was establishedin Israel.
I can't make this up.
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Case law for property rightswas established in Israel.
I can't make this up.
Case for property rights.
Are you hearing me?
So the Lord cares about propertyrights for women and dictated
property rights for women whohad no brothers, and so I share
that with you.
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He cares about water rights too.
He cares about you get what I'msaying and he cares about women
too.
I'm telling you he cares aboutwomen and property rights when
they were mere chattel, and thatis what the Lord dictated, like
the Ten Commandments.
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He dictated property rights forwomen in Numbers, chapter 27.
And so that is government.
To all of your listeners, thatis government.
The Lord cares about it, andthere is nothing that we care
about now that the Lord has notaddressed in his word.
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We just need to find it.
It is there, I promise you.
The Lord cares about education.
He cares about your homes andhomestead and lifestyles and how
we treat each other and livingnext to each other and how we
should handle things that goawry with respect to our
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property and infringement of ourproperty, encroachment of our
property rights, and lawsuitsand contracts.
And you know he cares aboutthat, and so that is what the
enemy has been attempting to saythat the Lord does not care.
But it's government and it'spolitics, and the Lord cares
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about it, and so do I.
Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Yes, dr Landelli Tarver.
Yes, ma'am, you are a wealth oflike, you're just a treasure.
I just have to say that you area wealth of like, you're just a
treasure.
I just have to say that you area wealth of wisdom and I know
that you've been with the Lord,like you're with him, a lot.
So, bringing the fire heretoday, and just so much, you
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know.
I'm imagining that somebody isjust wowed by everything you've
shared today.
I'm imagining that somebody isjust wowed by everything you've
shared today.
There's so much that you know,as we are on this process and
this journey with the Lord, thatwe're learning every day, right
.
So, as we close out our episodetoday, as you know, when we got
started, before we got started,I really do this for the one,
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and I would love for you to justkind of get in mind somebody
listening in today, if you haveword of knowledge for them, if
you have maybe someencouragement, and then would
you pray us out today as well.
Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Amen, I would.
I just wanted to share.
I, the youngest of 10, probablythe only Republican in my
family, entered into an arenathat that, for the most part,
people who look like me do notengage with, and I've been
engaged in a lot of differentgroups and entities that that
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have been different and weird,but it is okay.
Okay, I, I, I want to just tellyou you are okay to be odd and
to be different and to standalone sometimes, but stand with
the Lord.
I have lost friends and familybecause of my voting and
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political activism.
It's the wrong party or thewrong, you know, the elephant
versus the donkey, or just mypolitical views that align with
the word of God.
I'm pro-life and not pro-deathand I've had experiences that
I've repented from that.
I share my personal testimony,but I will tell you that the
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Lord is good and he will giveyou new friendships and new
relationships and he will makeyour oddity as a peculiar people
.
It is OK.
It is OK to be odd anddifferent and unique.
He does not want the same clay.
He takes this clay and he moldsus into his hands what he wants
us to be.
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The word of God says that youare fearfully and wonderfully
made.
Know that you don't have to bea cookie cutter for anybody else
and your voice doesn't have tosound like anybody else, and you
don't have to go the sameplaces that the other people go.
The Lord will lead you to whathe has placed you, where he has
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inspired you and where he wantsyou to go, and you just need to
trust him, even if you can'ttrace him.
There's times where I had totrust the Lord when I couldn't
trace him, but he was alwaysthere and he said I'll never
leave nor forsake you.
He loves us so much that hegave us Jesus and that if we
trust and believe in Jesus andtrust that he is who he says he
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is, that we can have everlastinglife with him, that we can be
with him.
Know this that the Lord lovesyou, loves you more than you can
even imagine, loves you morethan you love yourself, and so
it took me a while to understandthat, but I needed to trust him
, and so today I just pray foryou, father, I just thank you
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and pray for those who arelistening.
I lift up right now to you yourdaughter, my new friend and my
sister in Christ, kristen.
She is a treasure, father.
She is a royal diadem in yourhand.
So, father, I thank you forthose who are listening and I
pray, father, that those who arelistening would hear my heart
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and hear your heart as well,that, though we walk from
different backgrounds and ourtestimonies are different, you
are the same, you're the sameGod, and you love them,
regardless of what country thatthey are in.
You love them regardless ofwhat country that they are in.
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You love them.
Father, your word said inRevelation that there will be a
number that no man can count,from every nation, every tribe
and every tongue.
So, Father, your word says thatwe're not going to be known by
our denomination, but by ournation.
Father, your word says thatthere will be a number that no
man can count and our nation.
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We will be known by our nation.
So we'll be known by the saintsfrom the United States of
America and the saints fromUganda and the saints from
France and the saints fromUkraine and the saints from the
Philippines, father, the saintsfrom Australia and saints from
South Africa.
We will be known by our nationand our tribe.
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Father, we just thank you thatwe will be speaking our language
and praising you.
That's what your word says.
So we look forward to that day,but until then, father, we give
you glory right now.
We give you glory and praiseand honor right now for your
tender mercies and love towardus.
Thank you for Jesus, and thankyou for giving us your Holy
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Spirit that we might hear fromyour voice, that we might be
emboldened and gifted to do yourwork and your will.
You did not leave us, father,without your presence, and so we
thank you for it In Jesus' name, amen.
Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Amen, ooh, bringing the fire.
I feel it over here.
So, dr Linda, would you sharewith us the best way that people
can get ahold of you if they'reled to?
Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Yes, I have two websites.
I have lindaleetarvercomlindaleetarvercom, but the best
website to get me at if you justGoogle project 21, linda Lee
Tarver.
You just search on project 21,linda Lee Tarver.
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You will see thenationalcenterorg.
Linda Lee Tarver, project 21ambassador.
That is one of the ways toreach out to me that I do travel
(01:17:09):
, to preach, pray, speak, totalk on various topics, and so
project 21, linda Lee Tarver uh,you'll be able to see some of
the topics that I um will engagewith and will hopefully bring
honor to God by and to um alittle bit about my expertise
and things that the Lord hasequipped me to um to speak on on
his behalf.
Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Amen and you have three books.
Could you just share your books?
Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Yes, my first book is called Died in the Wool D-Y-E-D
in the Wool Died in the Wool.
And that book is sold on Amazonand Barnes and Noblecom and
across the internet.
You can just search on LindaLee Tarver, dr Linda Lee Tarver
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and Died in the Wool.
My second book is a children'sbook.
It's called Jesus who IsChristmas Is Born.
Jesus who Is Christmas Is Born.
And that is a children's book.
It's an amazing story of Jesusbeing born.
He is the reason we celebrateChristmas, he's the reason for
the season.
And the third book that I have,it's a collaboration with the
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Mordecai Mission.
It's called the Scepter of OurTimes, empowering and
Transforming Christian Leaders,the Scepter S-C-E-P-T-E-R of our
times, empowering andtransforming Christian leaders.
It's by the Mordecai mission.
And so these are the threebooks that I've written and
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contributed to, so I'm excitedabout that.
Are you writing more?
I have two books that I need tofinish on the trilogy for the
children's trilogy.
It's the Jesus as the asChristmas, jesus is our Easter
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and Jesus returns.
That is the third book in ourtrilogy for the children's book.
And then I have another bookabout the 2024 election that I'm
in the process of finishing andit is it's hoped to be
fantastic reading Just kind ofmy experience in politics.
I wanted to give honor to God inthat book in terms of the
prayers and the challenges youknow since 2016,.
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I will tell you it's been aroller coaster in politics and
it is not for the faint of heart.
But I have a word for thepeople of God, especially for
this that the Lord does not failus or does he forget us.
But I've never prayed as muchin the last four years since the
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Biden administration.
I've never prayed as much as Ihave.
But I know that the Lord wantsto get us in a posture of
relying on him and not who's inthe White House.
Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
So, amen, wow, I can't wait to hear more about
your books.
Well, I am going to close withour anchoring verse over Hope,
unlocked it's.
May the God of hope fill youwith all joy and peace and
believing so that, by the powerof the Holy Spirit, you may
abound in hope.
And that's Romans 15, 13.
And as Dr Linda Lee shared allof her websites, her contact
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information, I'll be sure to putthat in the show notes, so go
there if you needed the links.
But otherwise, thank you somuch for being on today and
thank you for being a bravevoice.
Who's setting so many free?
I will be, back with anotherepisode next week.
Thanks, listeners.
Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
God bless you, thank you.
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast.
I'm your host, kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
I help and empower wildheartedand adventurous women of faith
feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and potential
, break free from limitationsand thrive with confidence,
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If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
newwingscoachingnet and be sureto explore the show notes for
(00:38):
ways to connect with me further.
Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlockhope together.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me.
Welcome Dr Linda Lee Tarver tothe show.
I am so thrilled to have her ontoday.
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She is a mutual connection ofJulie Nowaczki on today.
She is a mutual connection ofJulie Nowaczki and you know it's
honestly one of the mostexciting things for me is to
have people on that I don't knowvery well because I get to know
them better usually through theinterview.
So would you be open to sharinga little bit more about
yourself before we get started?
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Thank you so much, Kristen, for having me.
The Lord bless you and keep youfor it.
So my name is Linda Lee Tarver.
I have an interestingbackground and upbringing.
I'm the youngest of 10 children.
My parents moved here, moved toMichigan.
Here where I live is inMichigan.
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They moved to Michigan fromEvergreen, alabama.
My father was born in 1923 andmy mother was born in 1924 and I
list those years because it was, you know, the early 1900s.
It's a lot racism.
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I happened to be hailing from ablack family and there was a
lot of significant challengesgoing on at the time that my
parents were younger.
Two children one each fromprevious marriages, and at one
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time my father's brother, myuncle, was hung by the Ku Klux
Klan, so he was lynched inAlabama.
My father immediately left hishome, the rest of his family and
I packed up my mother and mytwo oldest siblings and they
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drove to South Bend, indiana,where they got married, and then
they drove to Lansing, michigan, where they settled and raised
their family.
Oh wow, so that was the startfor my family.
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I've lived in Michigan all mylife.
I worked in Michigan in variouscapacities, but I spent most of
affairs director for theSecretary of State here.
I served as a gubernatorialappointee for the Michigan Civil
Rights Commission and I have.
I'm married, I have two adultchildren and two perfect
grandchildren.
I have two degrees, doctoratedegrees one in theology and the
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second degree is in education.
So my desire to pursueeducation in it and to ensure
that we have quality educationand usher in quality education
in the state of Michigan inparticular is vitally essential.
I spent some time serving incommunity forums for the Lansing
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Promise Zone offeringscholarship to children, but
I've served in ministry for mostof my adult life, serving the
Lord, trying to serve in variouscapacities.
I served in prison ministry andI'm in a jail ministry at my
new church and served as aSunday school teacher.
So that's who I am, withvarious other roles going on
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there.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Wow.
So I love sounds like you'rekind of similar to me in some
ways where it's like thatmulti-passionate right it's not,
you're on just one track.
I think a lot of times peoplecan get kind of pigeonholed into
one track, but he's called youto be multifaceted, right.
Yes absolutely so.
(04:59):
In these roles that you've beenin, I just feel led to ask,
like what has been the mostfulfilling, but also the most
challenging?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
So I'm the youngest of 10.
And from a predominantly, youknow, a black family and I, my
parents, were politicallyconservative, I will go with
that.
So both of them werepolitically conservative.
My siblings did not take onthat conservatism, but I did, so
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I was considered the onlyRepublican in my family.
Yeah, that was.
I was kind of a different, anodd duck in that respect.
And and the Lord called me intopolitics.
He called me to the field ofpolitics and I did not want to
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go.
I felt like Jonah not wantingto go to Nineveh, and I knew
that it was 30 years ago.
I participated, I startedgetting involved in politics,
republican Party politics Knewnothing about it, knew nothing
about what was going on, but Idid hear the voice of the Lord
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very clearly.
When I attempted to ignore him,he spoke to me and yeah, yeah,
I'm like, okay, I'm not tryingto do the whale action, um, so I
will obey.
And so I looked up Republicanparty in my city.
I couldn't find a city and aRepublican party.
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And then I looked up in mycounty and so I found the county
party.
Who knew that they were bycounties, right.
So I found out where they weremeeting and I anticipated seeing
rich white guys smoking cigars.
I really did, and you know, noone that looked like me.
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I would be an odd duck and, um,they wouldn't want me, but I,
the Lord, told me to go.
So I found out where they were.
I used the old school GPS, whichwas a map, to find out where
they were.
This is paper.
Everybody Paper maps.
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Yes, the old school GPS.
Yes, I needed to find out wherethey were meeting.
And I found out and I didn'tknow how to get there.
So I read my little map andplotted my course, gave myself
ample time to park and to get inand to try to sit in the back
and be anonymous, and so I Idrove there and, um, I thought,
(07:55):
wow, okay, there's a lot ofpeople here for this meeting.
I, you know, I thought maybethere was another meeting going
on, but there cannot be thatmany Republicans here.
But it was full and I walked inand I saw people who looked
like me Not a lot, but theylooked like me and I saw all
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shapes and sizes and professions, and farmers and receptionists,
businessmen, stay-at-home moms.
I saw the slice of America,every walk of life, different
backgrounds, coming together tosit down to talk about our
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government and policies anddifferent things like that and I
thought I have met my people.
I said I've met my people andthey welcomed me and they asked
questions about me because theywere we've never seen you before
and they wanted to get to knowme and I was somewhat of an
(09:07):
extrovert, so I didn't mindsharing.
And I saw a gentleman that Imet through theater I
participated in communitytheater and he was there and I
thought, wow, I didn't know hewas a Republican.
So, um, you know, I just Ithought, wow, this was
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interesting yeah and I joined, Isaid you know what?
I care about my city, I careabout my county, I care about my
state, I care about my country,and I don't know what more to
do than to yell at a TV set.
And you know what can I do,lord?
So he said get engaged.
(09:50):
And I'm not saying that theRepublican Party is the end
answer.
It was where the Lord sent me.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
And so it is not necessarily the answer for all
Christians or believers, andthis is the party of Jesus, and
I'm not saying that at all.
What I'm saying is that this iswhat the Lord, the path of the
Lord, set me on.
Yeah.
And I um.
A few years after that, Ibecame the vice chair of the
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County and then, a year afterthat, I became the chair of the
county.
Wow, I did quite well as chairof the county, winning elections
for our county, commissionersand different things like that
and then I became vice chair ofthe michigan republican party oh
, wow and then I became uhpresident of the republican
(10:42):
women's Federation of Michigan.
Wow.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, I'm not interested to God elevating you.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah, so, but it was.
It was not necessarily for me.
He still wanted me to preachand proclaim that righteousness
availeth a nation, and so thatscripture righteousness availeth
the nation, and sin is areproach.
How do we elevate our nation?
And the Lord said righteousness.
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And so that's what I've beentalking to do right, to do right
things, to have right policiesand to be about his business and
to be in a place where you cansay these policies are right and
these are policies that arewicked.
And so there are right policiesand there are right things that
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are right to the Lord andpleasing to the Lord.
And so I wrote a book calledDied in the Wool.
It's a biblical guide forRepublican women, so I wrote
that as a part of a desire formy dissertation in theology.
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I wrote it for that purpose,but I published it and it is so
blessed because it allows me toexpress my heart for the Lord
and what he's trying to do inthis nation and for us, in
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addition to his love for hisdaughters and how he's used them
over the centuries to to do hiswork and his will.
And it doesn't have to betraditional.
You know, I my Sunday schoolclassroom at one point was a
hundred thousand people on themall of the Washington DC mall
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preaching Jesus from a podium,and you know, that's that's kind
of where he's led me to do tojust preach Jesus and and the
policies that are righteousbefore him.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yes, wow.
So can I have you go back alittle bit?
To you said 30 years ago youwere let in, correct for 30
years, 30 years ago, um.
So at that time do you recall,like was there something
stirring?
Um, because I can't rememberback that far, I was 17, I
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wasn't paying attention to whatwas going on and a lot of people
were is there something thatwas stirring at that time, that
really got your attention andyou're like I need to.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I started listening to Rush Limbaugh at work, okay,
and there were things going on30 years ago Dealing with our
culture.
There, years ago, dealing withour culture, there was a shift
in our culture and a shift inour moral values as well.
That would that at the time,you know, seemed like a terrible
(13:59):
shift in our values, values,but, um, especially in the black
community, we were not seeingthe results of education and the
quality of education.
Again.
The lord placed education as onmy heart and the monies that
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was being invested was notreaping the benefits of that
investment and as a taxpayer, Ifelt like we were being robbed
of our tax dollars and notgetting the quality education
that we needed.
I saw nieces and nephews andthis is before my children were
(14:44):
born but this was an assault, inmy opinion.
Well, no, actually after mychildren were forced to either
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go to a school that were goingto fail them or or do schools of
choice.
That was the bigger issue ofeducation under Trump 45.
(15:33):
But years before that, she wasan advocate for education and
these people ushered in, theseRepublicans ushered in schools
of choice, and I lived in thecity, an urban community here.
Um, it was not as urban as itis now, but, um, the quality of
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education was non-existent.
I saw this as a nephews whowere graduating without being
able to read and write seriously.
Oh, yeah, yeah, that's that'sto death.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Like how is that even possible?
Like I'm just curious, like howis that even possible?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
so they, my nephew, stayed with me.
Um, so my niece and nephew,they lived with me for a short
period and I went to aparent-teacher conference with
him and I said you know, hisgrades are atrocious.
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What can we do to help?
This teacher told me if he doesnot bring a gun to school or
kill anybody, he's going tograduate.
Stop it.
I kid you not.
And he did.
I cried.
I didn't even want him to seeme cry, but I cried tears.
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My children came on the scene.
I decided that I was not goingto allow my children to die on
the vine.
In the Lansing public schools.
So they had just passed schoolsof choice.
I was supporting thatinitiative through the County
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Republican Party and the stateGOP to get people to vote for it
and support it.
Um, but it was.
And the lawmakers?
I started lobbying lawmakers tosupport school of choice and
they did um, through thisgovernor and through Betsy DeVos
(17:46):
.
I really don't care what peoplesay about her.
I love that woman because I sheallowed me to send my children
to a school district where theythrive, where they had the
ability to thrive.
Yeah, and otherwise I would havehad to try to move to a
district and what have you.
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And a lot of parents aretrapped where they live and
cannot easily move their lives.
But at the time that was thebigger issue with school of
choice.
30 years ago, 30 plus years ago, that really got, got me out of
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the out of the couch.
It wasn't even just for mychildren, it was for everybody's
children and anyone's childrenthat was stuck there.
So I drove my children to adifferent county every day.
Um, I got up at four o'clock inthe morning.
Wow, four, four am two.
But consider michigan.
I know that you're in a uh state, but consider yeah um, getting
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up, getting kids together withthe snow boots, snow this,
everything, lunch pack, bail, uh, backpacks, signing homework
make sure it's in the bag.
I had to be at my office at 745, in my desk at my seat at 745
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am and I had to get my childrento the daycare not daycare,
basically, it was to my mother'shouse so that they could go to
the school.
She lived in that county and Idrove them to my mother's house.
I dropped them off, I drove tomy parking spot, you know, three
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blocks from my office.
I parked and trekked in therain, sleep, rain, sunshine and
winter weather and I was at mydesk at 745 every morning.
So that was worth it because mykids were able to graduate with
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full honors and fullscholarship.
And other children who their agein the Lansing public schools
did not fare that well and theirchildren you know some of them
were in trouble, some of themwent to jail, some of them
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didn't graduate, graduate, andso it is.
That was the thing that reallystuck with me was that I could
not let my children die likethat.
You know they build prisons inMichigan based on third grade
reading levels.
So they determine, based onyour third grade whether you can
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read at third grade how manyprisons they will beds they need
.
Yes, that is a factor in prisonbeds.
Projecting prison beds is thirdgrade reading level, I kid you
not.
Yes, because they know if youcan't read you will likely not
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graduate.
And if you don't graduate andyou don't have a father in the
home, then you're likely tocommit some crimes and then the
state will have to care for you.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah.
So I love how like he led youinto that realm of education,
not only for your own children,but obviously this is it's
generational too, right?
Yes, it has, like our yes hasgenerational implications, is
what he keeps showing me.
To be obedient when it'suncomfortable, when it's you
know you woke up early, I'm sureyou sacrifice sleep, but
knowing the long game for yourkids and the kids around, right,
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Because was there other parentsthat kind of followed suit with
you then?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Absolutely.
There was several parents thatyou know.
We didn't have transportation,so you know, if you started
schools of choice, it was veryhostile.
It's still hostile.
Subject at the time publicschools and those who support
the public schools.
Subject at the time publicschools and those who support
the public schools.
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My children went to a publicschool but it was such a quality
public school that I needed totake them to a different county.
I needed to drive them outsideof my city into a different city
to go to school, into adifferent county to go to school
, and it was just that important.
I would have driven a hundredmiles if that was the case to do
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that, and it was.
It was not that far for me butit was necessary for me to do
that.
But it was difficult to topersuade and that's where
politics came into play.
The Lord wanted me tounderstand policy and politics
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and lobbying and persuasion inorder to just petition you know
this is a petition I petitionedthe government government I've
interviewed, you know I wasinterviewed before subcommittees
in our state legislature andour Senate and our House to
persuade them to vote a certainway and I learned that through
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politics, through my RepublicanParty activism.
He used that as a tool toamplify righteousness that
availeth the nation and notnecessarily a political party.
But I love my party.
I really do love my Republicanparty.
I really do, but I know that hehas used this time in the party
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to advance what he desires.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah, well, I'm just thinking of so.
You know, hope Unlocked reachesother countries, and we know
that governments are set updifferently in other countries.
Would you be open to justsharing maybe some of the
differences here in the US, kindof on a you know low level of
what Republican means Absolutely.
(24:08):
So even those who maybe livehere, who really aren't super
involved, would have a littlebit more knowledge as to what
that means, because we are in atime that some of these words
are very weaponized.
Yes, so I'll just leave it atthat.
Maybe you can go down thatrabbit trail a little bit.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Absolutely so.
The United States was basically.
Let's go back to July 2nd 1776.
July 2nd 1776 is when July 2nd1776 is when July 2nd.
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July 2nd 1776 is when the ourlawmakers at the time, the
Continental Congress, approvedthe Declaration of Independence
and they approved it on July 2ndand they signed it July 4th
1776.
And they started with theDeclaration of Independence from
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England, from Great Britain.
I go back that far because it'snecessary to understand the
politics at the time.
There was no political partiesat the time.
It was those who calledthemselves part of the 13
colonies.
They were colonists that camein to set up a freedom of
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religion, not from religion,freedom of religion here in the
Americas.
They started off with 13colonies and we were under
British control.
The King of England was atyrant and so during the time we
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went to war to fight, beforeJuly 2nd, we were already at war
with Great Britain, fightingskirmishes of injustices, and so
they organized a government,the Continental Congress, and
they decided to declareindependence.
And they declared independenceon July 4th.
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We had the signers who signedit, and that was the document.
The beginning of the document ispretty much standard.
People hear it and they read itand it says you know, in the
second paragraph we hold thesetruths to be self-evident that
all men are created equal andendowed by their creator with
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certain inalienable rights likeliberty and the pursuit of
happiness.
But in the middle of theDeclaration of Independence that
people do not read, it says letfacts be submitted to prove
this.
Let facts be submitted to acandid world be submitted to
prove this.
Let facts be submitted to acandid world.
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And they, they did what I callthe martin luther protestant um
thesis.
These 95, theses.
They listed all of the things,the tyrannical things that were
occurring to the citizens ofthese amer.
They listed things that werehorrific treatment by the king
to these 13 colonies.
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And people need to read thosethings.
Those are the things that ournation has decided that it would
never go back to, it wouldnever allow happen, and that
these things were worth dyingfor.
So we fought a war, the War ofIndependence.
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We won, and in Paris theydecided to acknowledge the
Americas.
Fast forward, we get theConstitution of the United
States.
It's a more formal document.
We declared our independence,july 4th 1776, which on Friday
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we will be celebrating and so weare excited about what the Lord
is doing for this very youngcountry.
But we have the Constitution ofthe United States and that's
when political parties startedto form.
The Democrat Party is one ofthe oldest parties.
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Party uh was formed and um,they were looking at at the time
(29:01):
.
The democratic party focused inon um what they considered a
states and they were wooed bybasically those Southern states
and the cotton farmers and otheragricultural elites.
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They were looking at them.
Then we had other partiescalled the Whigs, the Freedmen's
Party and other groups thatwere there, that represented in
our Congress.
But in 1865, the RepublicanParty was founded.
It was in Wisconsin that it wascreated, conceived and then it
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was birthed in Jackson Michigan.
Their first convention of theRepublican Party was in Jackson
Michigan.
It had three tenants.
Three tenants, that was theplatform of the Republican Party
had just three tenants toperpetuate the union, to abolish
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slavery, perpetuate the union.
And I can't remember the thirdone.
Uh, I can't remember the thirdone, but the um, the founding
beliefs, was uh, july 6th 1854.
(30:37):
Wow.
Um, and that was.
It was in Rippon, wisconsin.
It was conceived and birthed inum, rippon, Wisconsin.
It was conceived and birthed inJackson, michigan, under the
Oaks.
And so those were the threetenets of the Republican Party
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and it was the party thatstarted Abraham Lincoln.
So our first nominee forpresident was Abraham Lincoln,
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was the first Republican fromour convention here in Jackson,
michigan, heavily involved intothe Underground Railroad and
heavily involved into freedomand liberty.
That is why it was started.
Foundation, the foundation ofthe Republican Party was to
abolish slavery, vindicatedemocracy and perpetuate the
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union.
Those were the three.
There you go.
So that was the purpose of itsfounding and those were the
three things.
We need to keep the nationtogether.
We want to vindicate democracy,because we felt that it was.
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It was not existent for thosewho are, who were enslaved, and
and we wanted to abolish slavery.
That was it.
Those were the three foundingfrom that liberty.
Freedom and all men are createdequal.
That founding resonated with meand the platforms of the
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Republican Party since the timefor the last I want to say 33
years, over 34 years that I'vebeen involved have always been
God-honoring in my opinion, andalways look to liberate the
marginalized, and that is whatI've looked at.
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So these two major politicalparties, the Democrat Party and
the Republican Party, have beencoexisting for the century, you
know the couple of hundred years, basically that they've been
enacted and they have hadvarious ways of looking at our
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nation and forming our nationand, depending on the votes of
the people and depending on thevotes of the people.
The views of these particularpolitical party have been
prevalent in some states and notso much in other states.
And so we do have a democracy,a democratic approach to
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elections, but we are aconstitutional republic and
because we are a constitutionalrepublic, the democracy which is
the majority wins is notnecessarily the case in our
nation.
Years, ours, are going over,you know, hundreds of years now
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with their constitution.
But we are our two majorpolitical parties.
One is the Democrat Party weare basically a primarily two
party system and the RepublicanParty.
Our platforms, our positionsare what unify these voters and
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these groups of people and theattempt to say align with us and
vote with us so that we mayadvance these principles, these,
this platform, this is what wewant done.
And the other party, thedemocratic party, say align with
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us and line with this and thisis what we'll advance.
And so you know, that's kind ofthe for the other nations.
There are some here that weselect one person to be
president of the United States.
We have three branches ofgovernment.
We have the executive branch,which is led by our president,
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article one of our nation, andarticle three is our judicial
branch, which is theestablishment of the Supreme
Court.
So we have nine members of theUnited States Supreme Court,
established by the legislature,by Congress, and they have the
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authority for the, for thejudicial branch of government,
and they are the law of the land, so to speak, for all things
judicial.
The functions of each arelisted out, but the Lord
established three equal branchesof government.
I believe our forefathers didin Isaiah 33 and 22.
Isaiah 33 and 22 says that theLord is my lawmaker, the Lord is
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my judge, the Lord is my kingand it is he who will save us.
Those are the three equalbranches of government listed in
our constitution.
Wow, the judicial branch, thelegislative branch, and the King
, which is the executive branch.
Wow, but it is God who willsave us.
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Parallel.
That is where I believe thatthey received the.
I believe that our constitutionis God inspired, holy Spirit
inspired.
I do believe that our laws,many of our laws that we see
today, are lifted definitelyfrom the word of God.
Concerning the laws, especiallycrime and punishment and civil
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suits, civil cases, restitutionis in the Bible.
Mostly everything that you canimagine in terms of our laws and
how we govern in the UnitedStates of America comes from the
written word of God, the HolyScriptures, and I can point them
to you.
I do a civics course, I teach,and it is um definitely lifted
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from the word of God.
But I know that our three equalbranches of government, our
three unequal branches ofgovernment, come from Isaiah 33
and 22, that there is no placefound.
Three and 22,.
That there is no place found,that I have found written before
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the constitution was enacted,that those three equal branches
or branches of government inreference to God himself God is
our judge, god is our lawmakerand God is our king Three equal
branches of government, thosethree things are listed in that
one scripture and I do believethat our forefathers looked at
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that and said that these threebranches should occur.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Branches should occur .
That's amazing, you know.
It's interesting.
I'm thinking back to was it afew weeks ago, when there was
protests happening around thenation like the no Kings
protests, and I just feel freeto share on what you're thinking
on that.
I would love for you to kind ofgo deeper on.
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You know, what are we seeing inthese?
I would say, especially thelast five years.
I'm similar to you, I, you know, back 30 years ago for you, I,
I honestly I don't feel calledto politics, but I've actually
been, you know, looking intothings more in the last five
years.
It was kind like I woke up alittle bit.
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It was like, okay, well, thingsare are a little uh, off off
kilter here, right?
yeah, I I agree a little.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
You know I'm saying yes, I thought my unction for
politics that the Lord took meto was not going to last.
Okay.
I honestly felt that it wouldbe like a little thing a little
time.
Go and take care of school ofchoice.
That was it.
Then I can wash my hands ofpolitics and go back and enjoy
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my life, because I don't want toget any deeper to anything and
you know, what I don't knowwon't hurt me, I thought.
But the Lord said everything.
He is in the public square.
He's in the public square andeverything that is going on
matters to the Lord.
He is our judge, he is ourlawmaker and he is our king.
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And it is he who saves us.
And he says righteousnessavaileth the nation, and sin is
a reproach.
He has placed leaders to dorighteous ruling and not wicked
ruling.
There's so many scriptures thatwhen the righteous are in
authority, the people rejoice,but when the wicked rule, the
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people mourn.
There's another scripture thatsays when the wicked are in
authority, good people hide, andwhen they lose their power, the
righteous rule again.
And you know Proverbs 28 and28,.
That is one of the things thatI looked at in the word of God.
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Concerning politics, I havefollowed the political parties
and and I don't worship at thewell of political parties yeah,
I, I, even though I've been toldthat I do, but I, I don't, I, I
enjoy now, uh, proverbs 28, 28when the wicked rise to power,
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people go into hiding, but when,when the wicked perish, the
righteous thrive.
You know, I believe that theword of God is true.
The Lord does not hategovernment.
He says the king's heart is inhis hand, and that is the truth.
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He decides what they will doand what they won't do, and how
well they will do.
He sets in authority who hechooses, and some is to get our
attention and some is to allowus to thrive.
And so I didn't really realizethat, how important it is for us
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to engage and bring the HolySpirit, bring Jesus, in the
public square, and so I startedgetting engaged into politics.
People have no idea howimportant it is for you to care
about your nation and about yourneighbors, and one of the
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things that you are allowed todo, if you are qualified, is to
vote.
But just voting is not enough,and I found that out 34 years
ago, kristen that voting is justnot enough.
You must engage in your societyand you must go out of your
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four walls of your home and knowwhat is happening to the people
, know what is going on withyour government, and to speak
out and to not stop speaking.
Stop speaking.
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So the Lord looked at I followedthe Democrat politics in August
of 2019.
And people can do a simpleGoogle search the Democrat party
met with the DNC DemocratNational Committee, and these
are representatives from all 50states Committee, and these are
representatives from all 50states and they at least three
representatives from all 50states and they meet at a
location and they decide theDemocrat National Committee
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activities for the NationalDemocrat Party.
Well, they met in August of2019.
And I really want people toreally follow this and to just
do the search to find out thatwhat I'm saying is accurate.
Yeah, the Democrat Party met inAugust August 24th, I believe,
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of 2019.
And they decided this governingbody of the Democrat Party
nationally decided to embraceand to highlight and to amplify
the voice of unbelievers,non-believers.
They formally put together aresolution that says the values
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of non-believers, non-religiouspeople, religiously unaffiliated
folks and the like representthe Democrat Party.
Wow, they did that.
I didn't know that.
A formal resolution Wow, theLord allowed me to see it, find
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it.
Resolution the Lord allowed meto see it, find it.
And I had been alerting peoplethat if you see the devil reign
inside the Democrat party, it isbecause of that one resolution
that they agreed on thatunbelievers represent the values
of the Democrat party.
I can't even make this up.
Wow, democrat party.
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I can't even make this up,kristen, I can't.
Yeah, I cannot.
It was August of 2019.
The DNC, the atheist, friendlyatheist group.
They hailed it as a win.
The non-believing,non-religious groups hailed it
as a win.
Religious groups hailed it as awin.
They thought that Christiansand religious people Muslims,
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Christians, buddhists, you nameit went for Republicans, were
more for the Republican Partyand they did not want to compete
with them.
They said that the growingnumber of people that they are
seeing right now voters werereligiously unaffiliated,
non-believers.
Wow, and so, because of that,their policies since 2019 have
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favored the, those who arereligiously unaffiliated.
Revelation 21 and 8.
Revelation 21 and 8 is thescripture that I pulled up that
day that they passed thatresolution.
It says the fearful, theunbelieving and the abominable,
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and murderers and whoremong,sorcerers and idolaters and all
liars shall have their part inthe lake which burneth with fire
and brimstone.
That is what Revelation 21 and8 says the fearful and the
unbelieving.
And when a political party saysthat we want unbelievers, we
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are a party of unbelievers.
That is who they say that theyare.
Wow, then you must believe them, and spiritually, for me, the
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Democratic Party has walked inthat resolution that they passed
.
Women and women transgendersopening private spaces,
bathrooms and locker rooms tomen, with women and young girls
exposing themselves the thenakedness at pride festivities.
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These things come from a partythat are advancing the hatred of
the Jews.
Yes, the Antifata thing fromthe guy in New York who is now
the Democratic nominee for mayorof New York.
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These things are not surprisingwhen you go back to August of
2019.
When you invite nonbelievers inand say they represent our
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values, then you do the openborders, the destruction,
stealing, killing and destroyinggeneral mutilation for children
, embracing pornography inschools things that we would not
even imagine.
But the source of all thatKristen is the August of 2019
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resolution by a political partyto embrace non-believers Wow.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
That's the source of that.
A massive shift, at least I'msure.
If you didn't see a massiveshift, 2019 is when it occurred.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
Wow, 2019 is when it occurred.
It was there before, but theyformalized it like the Tower of
Babel, like the people with theTower of Babel, like the wicked,
and conspire and highlighttheir agenda that places at risk
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and that does no good deed.
Then you have to believe themand that is the source for it.
And so everything that comesout of that party is not
surprising to me.
It is surprising to many and tomany who belong to the party.
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It becomes now unrecognizableonly because they have invited
the devil.
In my opinion, they invited thedevil into their political,
political tent and he isreigning.
They, the satanists of texas,joined with the democrats of
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texas, the democrat party oftexas, to come against the texas
law that banned abortion, andthe Democrats and the Satanists
joined in to come againstbecause they said the Satanists
said that their frequencypractice, their religion, was
there and that, because abortionis part of their worship, that
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they would not be able to haveabortions in Texas.
That would violate theirreligious beliefs.
And so this is where you seewho the allies of the Democrat
Party are, when sickness and themasses are joining forces with
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the Democrat Party.
You know that they were invitedin and their values, according
to their resolution, theunbelievers values represent the
Democrat Party, and so I sharethat with you, because now I
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have to know how to pray yes,and then know how to operate
when I'm speaking with peoplewho want to belong to a
political entity, but they arealigning with, especially,
christians Christians but theyare aligning with people who
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have, who have placednon-believers and replaced those
who were the saints of.
God from that particularpolitical party.
Their values don't align withGod, their vision does not align
with God and and righteousness.
And so I say that because I'm soglad that the Lord told me to
move on a political entity, theRepublican Party, 34 years ago,
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to give voice to that party andto those who would listen about
Jesus and that he is, thegovernment is on his shoulders
and that righteousness availeththe nation and to pursue the
righteous running for office andto encourage and support
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children of the most high God torun for office and to do good
and no harm.
To run for office and to do goodand no harm.
And so that's kind of where Ihave been and to kind of walk
through that it is okay toengage in politics because the
Lord does not back down frompolitics.
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He instituted it and I believeour nation, which says in God,
we trust our currency, says inGod, we trust that.
That is where we are Foundersfounded this nation.
We are endowed by our creatorthere is a creator that they
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acknowledged for the Fourth ofJuly, that they signed that we
are endowed by our creator withcertain inalienable rights life,
liberty, and to pursue ourhappiness.
And so I try to encourage andstrengthen the saints to engage
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in this political discourse inthe name of Jesus and not in our
own name, but to align withthose who, and only a party who,
honors God.
And so that's kind of where I'mat politically.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
So this is so rich, like I'm sure there's people
listening in that are like, wow,this is incredible.
So if somebody is listening inand they're like you know, I'm
sure there's people listening inthat are like, wow, this is
incredible.
So if somebody is listening inand they're like you know, I'm
really being stirred.
Um, what would you suggestbeing maybe a first step into,
um, like step into politics,whether it's, you know, is it
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local in your own city, is itcounty?
Like, what are you?
What are you sensing forsomebody who's like yeah, I feel
like I need to get involvedsomehow?
Speaker 3 (55:09):
So I would pray First of all.
I would pray and find out whatthe Lord is telling you to do.
There are so many now groupsnow that you can join.
There's Moms for America andMoms for Liberty.
They weren't there 30 years ago.
The Tea Party showed up afterthe fact.
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I joined the Republican Partybecause there was.
There was no Tea Party.
There was.
There's a Christian coalition.
There are faith and freedom.
Coalitions are so manydifferent groups that operate in
the political realm withouthaving to choose a political
party.
If you are not ready to, youknow, go to bed if the Lord says
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you know, I want you to engagein this political discourse.
I want you to care about thosethings and be an advocate and
speak up for those who cannotspeak up for themselves.
And you can do this.
Everyone should do this to dowhat is right and to understand,
to get a baseline understandingthat God is in the government.
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He is the government, god isour judge, god is our lawmaker
and God is our king Isaiah 33and 22.
And it is he who will save us.
We're not looking for anelected official.
I love President Trump, but I'mnot looking for President Trump
to save me.
Jesus saved me.
I'm looking for President Trumpto be used as a clay in the
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hands of God to mold him, togive him and fill him with his
spirit, and to make gooddecisions that will advance
righteousness in this nation,and to do what is right, to set
what is crooked straight.
When President Trump announcedthat, as of today, this was his
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opening speech, you know, oncehe was inaugurated, there are
only two genders in America.
We went from 71 on July,january 19th 2025, to two.
I was having a party at myhouse who knew.
So again, the Lord goes beforeus to set what is crooked
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straight.
We need to yield to that, inwhatever capacity that we might
be elected to, we might beselected or appointed to any
type of board, but to do theright thing for the right
reasons.
And we found some mothers againfor people looking to say my
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heart is stirred now towardpolitics.
I want them to pray and I wantthem to find a group of and I'm
talking just to Christians.
That's what I believe, that Iam called to speak to the saints
, the siblings, my siblings Prayand find other saints and
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Christians that are in politics,that are doing good and no harm
, that are honoring God wherethey're at.
It may not be a political partyat the time.
It may not be a political partyat the time.
It may be a group that comesalongside a political party, a
conservative group.
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For me, lots of women fightingfor America love the leader.
For that.
She is phenomenal.
She is on the border, she wentto the border, she does national
security.
There was women who aresupporting her efforts moms for
America.
I did.
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I worked alongside with them,did some commercials for them,
traveled with them, spoke ontheir behalf, spoke in DC um to
encourage other moms to comealongside Um.
They groups.
Moms for Liberty is aconservative group.
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The Faith and Freedom.
The Mordecai Mission I'm a partof the Mordecai Mission.
We are Esther's and our men areMordecai's, and these are
groups of people, faith leaders,coming together to advance,
lawmakers, to put in authority.
Because Mordecai and Estherthey ruled, they had the.
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They were lawmakers, they madedecrees and laws and they
implemented them.
The.
She leads America.
These are women, christianwomen.
She leads Michigan.
She leads America.
There's a few chapters acrossthe nation.
I'm part of this group of womenwho are change makers in our
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spheres of influence ingovernment, in law enforcement,
in health care, in ministry, inmedia and various spheres of
influence, the mountains ofinfluence that we have, and we
are asking women to advance thekingdom in their sphere of
influence.
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Wherever you are at, lift upJesus and advance the kingdom of
God.
To do good and no harm, um, andto be a righteous, make
righteous decisions in yoursphere of influence.
Uh, there are a slew of otherorganizations that I joined and
belong to, in addition to theRepublican Party, that I thought
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have value, that advance thekingdom.
But the Republican Party for mehas been the training ground
for me in policy.
So I became a Project 21ambassador.
If you look under Project 21,linda Lee Tarver, project 21,
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linda Lee Tarver, you'll see theNational Center for Public
Policy, and I am an ambassadorfor Project 21, representing
Black community and especiallyissues of policy concerning that
.
That is a fairly new venturethat I have the Lord has been
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calling me toward to look atpolicies that will impact
particularly, in particular,black people and to lift up this
community.
It's a marginalized community.
We're not victims, but we aredefinitely not doing ourselves
any favor, and I believe thatthe policies that are good and
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godly will help us get out ofthose, and that is the cause for
which I engage and advance andavail myself to politics.
Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Wow, you're incredible.
I did want to touch reallyquickly before we'll wrap up
soon.
Maybe we'll have to have youback on again in the future.
But what is your?
What would you say to thechurches?
Because I've heard whether it'sdifferent social media things
or you know, just even in thepulpit, like we don't get
involved in politics.
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What would you say to thechurch?
Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
So the churches have been told that there is a
separation of church and state.
That is not true.
That is not true, it's not trueand it's never been true.
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The church has been sidelinedintentionally by the devil, not
necessarily by a political party, but by the devil himself.
Lie perpetrated that the menand women of God cannot engage
in politics, should not be inpolitics and should not
participate, and that is just alie.
The one thing that I would sayto the churches is to read the
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word of God yourself and look atwhat the Lord has done and has
said, and look at the totalityof the word of God and pray that
the Holy Spirit will open upeyes to see that the kingdoms
that were established, that thegovernmental structure, the
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governors and the likes, and thekings and the likes, the Lord
dealt with them.
There were righteous rulers andwicked rulers throughout the
scriptures, but they were rulersand they were governments, and
the Lord allowed us to see hisword and to read it for
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ourselves.
And I would start with like theHeritage Foundation is a good
start.
There's Hillsdale College herein Michigan that has a great
government and God series thatpeople, that the church and that
the leadership of the churchneeds to recognize and adhere to
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themselves.
Because you know, if youbelieve that the church,
attending services is all thatit is to it for our stewardship
of this earth, then we are notreading the same Bible and some
people might have to read itagain.
The Lord wants us to govern.
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He wants us to govern, but henever wanted us to get a king.
He wanted him to be the king.
He wanted us to have rulers.
He gave us judges, you know.
He gave us rulers, but he neverwanted us to have a king.
We that is the differencebetween having an elected
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president and having a king.
The king does everything foryou.
You rely on the king and youobey the king, and everything
the king says must be obeyed.
He is our king of kings andlord of l, and so he gave us
rulers.
He showed us good rulers andgood leaders and leaders that
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repented, leaders that set orderand for the pastors and the
churches and the leaders and theparishioners of the churches,
having a good foundation.
There's a group called Salt andLight Global here in Lansing
Michigan, Salt and Light Global.
They have great webinars andseminars to understand the role
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of the saints with governmentand government with people and
with the Lord.
And once you have a goodfoundation for your authority in
your community, your country,and serving God from that
authority and serving the Lordwithin the government, instead
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of being angry at the government, become a righteous ruler
within yourself and get othersto support the Lord, and your
candidacy, or support others whoare righteous, is important.
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I think that you should careabout your water prices.
I think that you should careabout it.
My book Died in the Wool.
The first chapter of my book inDied in the Wool.
For the pastors and thepreachers and the Sunday school
teachers because I'm a Sundayschool teacher.
The first chapter is of thefive daughters of Zephyr Head.
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It is out of Numbers 27.
There were five daughters ofZephyr Head in Numbers 27.
They had no brothers and theirfather died.
They were getting no propertyand it was going to go to their
male relatives.
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They went to the tent ofmeeting and petitioned their
government.
They petitioned Moses and saidour father died for his own sins
, but we demand something fromour father's inheritance.
And so Moses rightly so, arighteous ruler said let me
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inquire of God.
Moses went to the Lord and saidyou know, these five daughters
of Zephyr are coming to me and Ineed to know what to do.
And the word of God said Godtold them that the five
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daughters, what Zelophehad'sdaughters are saying, is right.
You must certainly give themproperty as an inheritance
amongst their father's relativesand give their father's
inheritance to them After Godcommanded this case law for
property rights was establishedin Israel.
I can't make this up.
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Case law for property rightswas established in Israel.
I can't make this up.
Case for property rights.
Are you hearing me?
So the Lord cares about propertyrights for women and dictated
property rights for women whohad no brothers, and so I share
that with you.
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He cares about water rights too.
He cares about you get what I'msaying and he cares about women
too.
I'm telling you he cares aboutwomen and property rights when
they were mere chattel, and thatis what the Lord dictated, like
the Ten Commandments.
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He dictated property rights forwomen in Numbers, chapter 27.
And so that is government.
To all of your listeners, thatis government.
The Lord cares about it, andthere is nothing that we care
about now that the Lord has notaddressed in his word.
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We just need to find it.
It is there, I promise you.
The Lord cares about education.
He cares about your homes andhomestead and lifestyles and how
we treat each other and livingnext to each other and how we
should handle things that goawry with respect to our
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property and infringement of ourproperty, encroachment of our
property rights, and lawsuitsand contracts.
And you know he cares aboutthat, and so that is what the
enemy has been attempting to saythat the Lord does not care.
But it's government and it'spolitics, and the Lord cares
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about it, and so do I.
Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Yes, dr Landelli Tarver.
Yes, ma'am, you are a wealth oflike, you're just a treasure.
I just have to say that you area wealth of like, you're just a
treasure.
I just have to say that you area wealth of wisdom and I know
that you've been with the Lord,like you're with him, a lot.
So, bringing the fire heretoday, and just so much, you
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know.
I'm imagining that somebody isjust wowed by everything you've
shared today.
I'm imagining that somebody isjust wowed by everything you've
shared today.
There's so much that you know,as we are on this process and
this journey with the Lord, thatwe're learning every day, right
.
So, as we close out our episodetoday, as you know, when we got
started, before we got started,I really do this for the one,
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and I would love for you to justkind of get in mind somebody
listening in today, if you haveword of knowledge for them, if
you have maybe someencouragement, and then would
you pray us out today as well.
Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Amen, I would.
I just wanted to share.
I, the youngest of 10, probablythe only Republican in my
family, entered into an arenathat that, for the most part,
people who look like me do notengage with, and I've been
engaged in a lot of differentgroups and entities that that
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have been different and weird,but it is okay.
Okay, I, I, I want to just tellyou you are okay to be odd and
to be different and to standalone sometimes, but stand with
the Lord.
I have lost friends and familybecause of my voting and
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political activism.
It's the wrong party or thewrong, you know, the elephant
versus the donkey, or just mypolitical views that align with
the word of God.
I'm pro-life and not pro-deathand I've had experiences that
I've repented from that.
I share my personal testimony,but I will tell you that the
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Lord is good and he will giveyou new friendships and new
relationships and he will makeyour oddity as a peculiar people
.
It is OK.
It is OK to be odd anddifferent and unique.
He does not want the same clay.
He takes this clay and he moldsus into his hands what he wants
us to be.
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The word of God says that youare fearfully and wonderfully
made.
Know that you don't have to bea cookie cutter for anybody else
and your voice doesn't have tosound like anybody else, and you
don't have to go the sameplaces that the other people go.
The Lord will lead you to whathe has placed you, where he has
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inspired you and where he wantsyou to go, and you just need to
trust him, even if you can'ttrace him.
There's times where I had totrust the Lord when I couldn't
trace him, but he was alwaysthere and he said I'll never
leave nor forsake you.
He loves us so much that hegave us Jesus and that if we
trust and believe in Jesus andtrust that he is who he says he
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is, that we can have everlastinglife with him, that we can be
with him.
Know this that the Lord lovesyou, loves you more than you can
even imagine, loves you morethan you love yourself, and so
it took me a while to understandthat, but I needed to trust him
, and so today I just pray foryou, father, I just thank you
(01:14:04):
and pray for those who arelistening.
I lift up right now to you yourdaughter, my new friend and my
sister in Christ, kristen.
She is a treasure, father.
She is a royal diadem in yourhand.
So, father, I thank you forthose who are listening and I
pray, father, that those who arelistening would hear my heart
(01:14:28):
and hear your heart as well,that, though we walk from
different backgrounds and ourtestimonies are different, you
are the same, you're the sameGod, and you love them,
regardless of what country thatthey are in.
You love them regardless ofwhat country that they are in.
(01:14:48):
You love them.
Father, your word said inRevelation that there will be a
number that no man can count,from every nation, every tribe
and every tongue.
So, Father, your word says thatwe're not going to be known by
our denomination, but by ournation.
Father, your word says thatthere will be a number that no
man can count and our nation.
(01:15:11):
We will be known by our nation.
So we'll be known by the saintsfrom the United States of
America and the saints fromUganda and the saints from
France and the saints fromUkraine and the saints from the
Philippines, father, the saintsfrom Australia and saints from
South Africa.
We will be known by our nationand our tribe.
(01:15:33):
Father, we just thank you thatwe will be speaking our language
and praising you.
That's what your word says.
So we look forward to that day,but until then, father, we give
you glory right now.
We give you glory and praiseand honor right now for your
tender mercies and love towardus.
Thank you for Jesus, and thankyou for giving us your Holy
(01:15:55):
Spirit that we might hear fromyour voice, that we might be
emboldened and gifted to do yourwork and your will.
You did not leave us, father,without your presence, and so we
thank you for it In Jesus' name, amen.
Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Amen, ooh, bringing the fire.
I feel it over here.
So, dr Linda, would you sharewith us the best way that people
can get ahold of you if they'reled to?
Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Yes, I have two websites.
I have lindaleetarvercomlindaleetarvercom, but the best
website to get me at if you justGoogle project 21, linda Lee
Tarver.
You just search on project 21,linda Lee Tarver.
(01:16:45):
You will see thenationalcenterorg.
Linda Lee Tarver, project 21ambassador.
That is one of the ways toreach out to me that I do travel
(01:17:09):
, to preach, pray, speak, totalk on various topics, and so
project 21, linda Lee Tarver uh,you'll be able to see some of
the topics that I um will engagewith and will hopefully bring
honor to God by and to um alittle bit about my expertise
and things that the Lord hasequipped me to um to speak on on
his behalf.
Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Amen and you have three books.
Could you just share your books?
Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Yes, my first book is called Died in the Wool D-Y-E-D
in the Wool Died in the Wool.
And that book is sold on Amazonand Barnes and Noblecom and
across the internet.
You can just search on LindaLee Tarver, dr Linda Lee Tarver
(01:17:51):
and Died in the Wool.
My second book is a children'sbook.
It's called Jesus who IsChristmas Is Born.
Jesus who Is Christmas Is Born.
And that is a children's book.
It's an amazing story of Jesusbeing born.
He is the reason we celebrateChristmas, he's the reason for
the season.
And the third book that I have,it's a collaboration with the
(01:18:12):
Mordecai Mission.
It's called the Scepter of OurTimes, empowering and
Transforming Christian Leaders,the Scepter S-C-E-P-T-E-R of our
times, empowering andtransforming Christian leaders.
It's by the Mordecai mission.
And so these are the threebooks that I've written and
(01:18:33):
contributed to, so I'm excitedabout that.
Are you writing more?
I have two books that I need tofinish on the trilogy for the
children's trilogy.
It's the Jesus as the asChristmas, jesus is our Easter
(01:18:56):
and Jesus returns.
That is the third book in ourtrilogy for the children's book.
And then I have another bookabout the 2024 election that I'm
in the process of finishing andit is it's hoped to be
fantastic reading Just kind ofmy experience in politics.
I wanted to give honor to God inthat book in terms of the
prayers and the challenges youknow since 2016,.
(01:19:21):
I will tell you it's been aroller coaster in politics and
it is not for the faint of heart.
But I have a word for thepeople of God, especially for
this that the Lord does not failus or does he forget us.
But I've never prayed as muchin the last four years since the
(01:19:43):
Biden administration.
I've never prayed as much as Ihave.
But I know that the Lord wantsto get us in a posture of
relying on him and not who's inthe White House.
Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
So, amen, wow, I can't wait to hear more about
your books.
Well, I am going to close withour anchoring verse over Hope,
unlocked it's.
May the God of hope fill youwith all joy and peace and
believing so that, by the powerof the Holy Spirit, you may
abound in hope.
And that's Romans 15, 13.
And as Dr Linda Lee shared allof her websites, her contact
(01:20:18):
information, I'll be sure to putthat in the show notes, so go
there if you needed the links.
But otherwise, thank you somuch for being on today and
thank you for being a bravevoice.
Who's setting so many free?
I will be, back with anotherepisode next week.
Thanks, listeners.
Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
God bless you, thank you.
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