Radical Faith in Action: Michele Keen’s Journey of Obedience, Revival, and Trusting God’s Plan

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In this powerful episode of Hope Unlocked, host Kristin Kurtz welcomes her dear friend Michele Keen to share an inspiring journey of obedience, revelation, and unwavering faith. Michele opens up about her unique calling, which has taken her across the globe—from Washington, D.C., to Israel, Uganda, and now Texas. With her custom-built van, Michele has embraced her role as an itinerant minister, deeply rooted in God's vision for revival and the transformative work of the Holy Spirit.

Michele shares poignant insights about stepping out of comfort zones, emphasizing the necessity of relying on God's plan rather than our own understanding. From her personal story of surrendering control to her ministry's impact in Texas, Michele offers profound lessons on trust, obedience, and hosting the Holy Spirit in our daily lives. She also dives into the concept of the "Bridal Covenant", unpacking its significance for believers as we prepare to rule and reign with Christ in ultimate oneness.

This episode is rich with revelations about walking boldly in faith, embracing the unknown, and partnering with God in a transformative, eternal mission. Michele’s testimony reminds us of the beauty and strength found in complete reliance on God and the joy of stepping into His plans.

Michele's contact info:
Facebook messenger - facebook.com/michelekeen

Resource mentioned:
Check out Jesse Duplantis' video where he discusses the differentiation between people in the garden and those in the city. This portion starts at the 41:20 mark and lasts for about five minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/live/Luw6cMuPLVc?si=pE

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast.
I'm your host, kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
I help and empower wildheartedand adventurous women of faith
feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and potential
, break free from limitationsand thrive with confidence,
courage and hope.
If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
newwingscoachingnet and be sureto explore the show notes for

(00:38):
ways to connect with me further.
Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlockhope together.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy envy of hope for your soul.
Please help me welcome my sweetfriend, michelle Keen, to the

(00:58):
show.
I'm so excited to have her heretoday.
Oh my gosh, it's been a longtime coming, but this is the
timing that he's had alreadyprepared for today and I'm so
excited.
So could you tell us a littlebit more about yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yes, kirsten.
Thank you so much, first of all, for having me here.
It is an honor, it is a joy.
I'm just excited just for howGod always moves in and among us
, and to get to be here is huge.
So my life I guess I've toexplain it I've done a lot of
travel.
I grew up in the ForeignService and through that, the

(01:35):
Lord opened a lot of doors forme to do ministry abroad, that
kind of thing.
Primarily, he's had me targetedin the United States and in
Israel and in Uganda.
He's had me targeted in theUnited States and in Israel and
in Uganda, and now he'spositioned me here in Texas,
where I was in the Washington DCarea, and then he had began

(01:55):
speaking to me about the revivalthat's coming to our nation
back in 2012 and in 2020.
I took some time to find outGod's steps for me and he said
get, get a van, get it built out, I'm going to position you for
the revival.
And, lo and behold, he broughtme to Texas.
I wasn't planning on it, ofcourse, you know he brought me
here and what he's doing isamazing.

(02:15):
So it's just, I guess my, whatmy heart is right now, too, is
just really receiving therevelation.
Well, my heart is right now too, is just really receiving the
revelation knowledge of the Lord.
It says in second Peter, onethree, that all everything
according to life and godlinessis in the knowledge of God.
So getting those Holy spiritdownloads is amazing, and

(02:36):
getting to share them is evenbetter.
So that's what I'm lookingforward to today.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I'm so glad you're here.
Um, if you would take a secondjust to share a little bit more
about your van adventure, Ithink it might be something that
would be very interesting forsomebody to hear about.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, so I left Washington DC, had the van built
out in California, really hadno idea whatsoever what it was
going to look like.
My assumption was that I wasgoing to be moving place to
place.
The Lord actually did give methe word itinerant as an
itinerant speaker, so I figuredI'd be speaking at different

(03:14):
churches, and I still believethat that is the case to come,
but not so much with all themobility that I was expecting.
He has truly brought me toTexas, to the Houston area, and
planted me here and we'restarting a little church here.
He said that when he, when hetold me to build out the van, he

(03:38):
said that I'm going to, you'regoing to bring the church to
people who would never go tochurch and you're going to help
raise up the church, the churchto people who would never go to
church, and you're going to helpraise up the church.
And it's neat too, because aword was given out.
I saw a video by Tim Sheetswhere he had a prophetic word
and he saw God showed him allthese white cargo vans being
sent out and he said that theywere the Ekklesia response team.

(04:00):
So I get to be a part of that.
But yeah, so there's a lot thatGod has shown me about where
he's positioned me, visions forthe impact in this region.
I also do a lot of redeeming ofland, praying into specific
targeted areas that he'll takeme to, so there's been a bit of
that as well.
But it's really where most ofmy ministry has been just me and

(04:24):
the Lord and ministry into theland.
Now he's like I'm invested inthe land of people's hearts.
That's the territory I'm after.
So that's where I'm gettingmore involved.
So in my campground, just thethings we're doing in that
respect.
That's where he's moving.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yes, and Michelle shared a picture of what it
looks like and it's just abeautiful space that she's
created to bring the word, and Idon't even know what else
you're doing there.
Well, you can share.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
I don't want to share for you, but if you'd like lot
of things about this being likea Havala, and I had to look up.
I love it when he gives mewords that I don't know what
they are.
Havala was apparently, um, youknow how?
Eden had four rivers runningthrough it, and the Pishon river

(05:12):
ran through Havala, which isthe portion of Eden where the
gold is.
So he was saying you know thatthis is Havala, this is where
the gold is.
He's spoken a lot about um,given us Zechariah.5 with regard
to our campground, and actuallyone of the guys here had a
really powerful dream with awall of fire all around us and a

(05:32):
cross in the middle, and that'swhat Zechariah 2.5 is all about
, where God says I, I am thewall of fire around you and the
glory within your midst, andthen.
So we're expecting big things.
It's still baby steps right now, but I know that God says you
know, don't be dismayed at smallbeginnings, because he just
wants us to be willing andavailable.
We don't need to have itfigured out.

(05:53):
Actually, it's good that wedon't know where we're going, so
we're fully reliant on the Lordto guide us and we're not
interfering with his plans.
So, but yeah, he's given mevisions, for I'll say it,
stadiums being filled.
They're like, oh Lord, okayLord, I don't know how that's
going to happen, but you know,the how is not up to us.
So we're part of a big plan.

(06:14):
He just wants those who arewilling to be partners with him
in it, and then he'll make ithappen.
And it's all about obedience,for sure.
Well.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
I love.
I feel like you need to repeatsomething because one of the
things I hear often whether youknow, sometimes in clients or
you're just people out on thestreet, just in general like I
have to figure this out.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
To figure this out.
I have to figure this out.
And what did you say about that?

Speaker 3 (06:43):
again, it's actually better that we don't know how to
the how is not up to us.
That is his territory andactually it reminds me of.
I remember years ago I wasgiven a word about being used in
the marketplace in big ways,and so that was when, on one of
my trips to Uganda, when I gotback to the States, I started

(07:05):
putting my hand to all thesedifferent, you know business
opportunities and investing indifferent things, and then I
started losing money hand overfist.
I'm like Lord, what's going on?
Because here I am trying tomake it happen, and it's not up
to us to make it happen.
It's up to us to come inalignment with him and submit
ourselves to his plan.
But I was trying to make ithappen and then one morning,

(07:28):
when I was in my frustration,the Lord said clean out your
fridge.
I'm like, excuse me.
And he said clean out yourfridge.
You knew I was going to use you, and so you put your hand to
things, but everything in thereis getting downright rotten.
It's not being used.
You need to clean that out so Ican put mine in there.
I'm like, okay.
So I canceled every contract,every agreement that I'd gotten
myself into, and then, after Idid that, I hopped on my bike

(07:55):
and just went to just releaseand just go for a bike ride and
just release it off my back.
And as I was biking, I'm bikingin one direction and there's
this guy who's like running downthe same path towards my
direction and he has this blackshirt and with big white letters
on it and it says now, let'stry it my way.
And I almost fell off my bikelike, yes, lord, let's try it
your way, because my way suredoesn't work.

(08:16):
But but we have to.
You know he knows that westruggle with that in our
humanity.
And then and you know he knowsthat, and sometimes I feel like
he needs to let us experiencewhat it's like to try to make it
happen and fail so that we cometo the end of ourselves.
And then he's like, okay, it'ssort of like you know he he's
standing up to the side, like,sure, knock yourself out, see
how that works for you and when,when you're ready, come back

(08:38):
here and we'll do it my way.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
So I've gone through this whole hard knocks of
learning to do it his way andnot my own.
Before you get into a lot ofwhat you wanted to share, um,
would you be willing to givemaybe a big example of?
I know you said you laid downsome things at that time.
But have you had any maybe morerecent experiences where, um
you know, because at least forme, sometimes it on paper it
doesn't look like it makes sense, right?

Speaker 3 (09:08):
How about?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
you lately.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Laying things down.
You know, there's one thing theLord told me a few years ago.
He said you know how it says inhis word let no man separate
what God has put together.
And he, he expanded on it andhe said let no man separate what
I have put together and let noman hold onto what I'm taking

(09:33):
apart.
So, basically, you want to bein line with the Lord in
whatever he's doing, whetherhe's assembling or disassembling
, and especially with where weare right now, where things are
very black and white and he isushering his remnant into higher
places.
If we'll give him our yes, ourcomplete and total yes.

(09:56):
And to do that we're going tohave to let go of things in the
other season.
That could be relationships,friendships, could be family.
I've had to do things on allthose levels.
That could be relationships,friendships.
It could be family.
I've had to do things on allthose levels.
It could be laying down workand clients.
Dying to one thing was, yeah,dying to mammon.
People think mammon is money.

(10:17):
Mammon isn't money.
Mammon is a principality thatlords over that area of our
hearts where you can be servingmammon if you are all about the
glitz and glam and all thematerial things.
But you can also be servingmammon.
If you don't have a lot andyou're stressing about it and
you're not trusting god for theprovision, you're putting your
hope in your bank account.
You're putting your hope in injobs that are coming through.

(10:38):
That's still serving mammon.
There was a lot of laying downin that respect where he would
take me down to nothing Like allright, lord, this is going to
happen, but he carries youthrough and it takes getting
down to those bare bones to havethat breakthrough of getting to
the other side so you're notgoing around that mountain again
.
But it really is a just allright.

(11:01):
I am trusting you witheverything I got and that's what
I've learned through a lot ofthese laying down of different
things.
So laying down my desires isthat, especially on the hottest
of fires, it's like I've comeout to realize, lord you, that
you don't realize how much Godis all you need until God is all
you've got.
That's, you don't realize thatGod is all you need until God is

(11:28):
all you've got.
When everything else has beenstripped away and he's the last
man standing and he's keepingyou afloat, it's like nothing
else matters.
And when he's got that in ourhearts boy, what he can do with
that.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
And like I don't know about you, but laying so many
of these things down has broughtsuch a peace in my life.
How about for you.
Yes, yes, it's the momentsometimes, cause we all do.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, it may be hard in the moment, but when you get
to the other side, oh mygoodness, you don't even have
words for it, and that's that'sthe thing that has always
carried me through any of thesewhen he's called me in acts of
obedience.
Sometimes there are thingswhere where, literally, it's
like you know if you can picturea door, doorframe, and I've got

(12:20):
hands and feet on the doorframeI'm like no, I'm not going
through.
But then I remembered thegoodness of God, and that's what
it always comes down to.
For me, it's like you are agood God and even though I
cannot see in any way, shape orform how this could be good for
me, obviously you have aperspective that I haven't

(12:41):
experienced yet, and I can counton your goodness to know that,
regardless what it looks likeright now, there's something
amazing on the other side, andthat's what I'm holding on to.
I'm holding on to your goodness, knowing that you're going to
be faithful, because you alwayshave been, and when we keep our
focus on his goodness and notthe situation, hell or high
water, we will go, we will giveour yes and he'll take us

(13:05):
through.
And it won't be comfortable, hetold me years ago.
He said I'm going to make you,I'm going to push you so far out
of your comfort zone.
It's actually going to becomfortable to be uncomfortable
and that's where it's gotten tobe, where it's like when you're
comfort, when you've come tothat point and it's like that
comfort just is just irritatingnow, like nothing's growing here
.
It's like I can't stand it.

(13:26):
Like Lord, he's like you know,let's you know.
And that's the thing too.
Like you know, when Jesus wentto heaven he gave us the
comforter.
He gave us the Holy Spirit, acomforter and a guide.
But the problem is we cannotexperience the Holy Spirit's
comfort as long as we're in ourcomfort zone or we're with
what's familiar and comfortable.
We have to step outside of ourcomfort zone to receive the Holy

(13:46):
Spirit's comfort, and hiscomfort just sends things to a
whole different dimension.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
I do this for the one and we're speaking to the one.
I feel like that was a word forsomebody, that you say that
again.
I feel like sometimes it bearsrepeating.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Sure.
So when Jesus went to heaven,he knew it was going to be
difficult.
He knew that these walks ofobedience were going to be very
uncomfortable, but he gave usthe comforter, the Holy Spirit,
to be that comfort for us.
The problem is, too many timeswe stay in our comfort zone,
relying on our own comfort, andas long as we do that, we're

(14:25):
never going to get anywhere andwe're not going to do anything
for the kingdom.
It requires stepping out ofthat boat, stepping on the water
, and when we do, when weabandon our own comfort and we
step out into the unknown,that's when the Holy Spirit
catches us and we get toexperience his comfort and he
takes us to a whole differentlevel we could never imagine can

(14:45):
you share, like a recent moment, like you said that you're,
you're in a moment of, like somemoments of being uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Right, I'll be honest you know,

Speaker 3 (14:57):
being uncomfortable, right I'll be honest, even even
you know, starting church here.
That's not comfortable for meat all.
It's like I like to be hiddenin the secret place with you,
lord, just you and me.
And he's been very clear.
It isn't like he has the whole.
He's revealed the whole plan tome.

(15:19):
It's more of like he gives me alittle bite here, a little bite
there and I don't always knowwhat we're stepping into.
And I remember I've gone andspoken at conferences, like in
Uganda, and he, as much as Iwould try to prepare, he's like
I would just be blank and he'slike just go up there and open
your mouth.
I'm like what?
I'm like?
No, I'm like, in front of thiswhole audience, I have nothing.

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And you want me to just go upthere and open my mouth and
trust that you're going to fillit and that's what he'll do.
But that's when the Holy Spiritmoves, because if you really
want to see the Holy Spirit move, you've got to be willing to
let it get messy.
Where you're not in control,where no ducks allowed, you
can't have your ducks in a row.
The more that we're abandonedto him, the more we make room

(16:04):
for him and the more he can moveand do the impossible, and
that's what I want.
But and I'll admit, I don'thave it perfect I mean, I try to
scrape and scrounge for somenuggets and try to do it in my
flesh and it's never the way itis.
When Holy Spirit steps in, andthose moments I just relish like
, oh okay, lord, Lord, help mewith my confidence and my

(16:26):
courage to do that more with you, because, yeah, it's scary.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
And that's and it's.
It's so interesting because,you know, for me, when I hear
you speaking, I'm like thisgirl's powerhouse.
I'm like this girl's powerhousewhen she's like we can have our
own like ideas.
Or, you know, whether it'senemy or ways that we were
raised, different things thatcame about in our path that
caused us to maybe think ofourself a different way than

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what the world would experiencethe other side of what you're
doing, right, but that's whatmakes it even more powerful, I
think, when he takes somebodylike Moses, kind of like when I
was called to do this podcast,I'm like dude, like we talk,
dude, where's you got Aaronsomewhere out there?
And no, no, you're the one andyou get to say yes or no, right,

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so to be able to be a vessel,yeah, of his goodness through
you, an imperfect one, right,it's that much more powerful,
wouldn't you say, like I lovethe underdog oh, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
When you hear stories of the underdog, people
celebrate that.
People don't celebrate thepeople who are on stage and
known for xyz and um, that's onething too, that's.
The lord had me recently infirst corinthians 13, the love
chapter, and he reallyemphasized because when, when we
step out into things and we'rescared, it's because we're, we

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are we, we are not and we're notflowing in love, because love
and fear don't exist in the sameplane, right?
So I was reading 1 Corinthians13, and you know how it says in
the beginning you know you canhave, you know the gift of
knowledge and tongues andprophecy and all these things.
You can burn yourself at thestake and give to those poor and

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do all this, all this.
But if you have not love, youhave nothing.
And what he hit me with is itisn't just that you don't have
nothing, because that space isgoing to have something in it,
it's not just going to be void.
The fact is that if you don'thave love, you have
self-righteousness, and whatyou're doing is motivated by
self-righteousness and that'sgoing to cause destruction.

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And that's why, as you continuein that chapter, it says that
you know love is not puffed up,it does not seek its own, you
know it doesn't parade itselfbecause it's not about me, it's
about you, lord, and when we getourselves out of the way that
that's when the Holy Spirit canjust flow.
But yeah, it's a process,though we all struggle, because

(19:05):
we all, you know, came out ofthe womb holding tight fisted to
that tree of knowledge to getan evil.
And you know, white knuckled,holding onto that tree and like
the lord's like, slowly, byslowly prying our fingers off,
because he wants us to embracethe tree of life which, quite
honestly, is a tree of theknowledge of God.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
And you've done some teaching on that before.
Yeah, I'd love for you to sharewhat's on your heart.
I know like when I reached outto you, there was there was
something that it's hard forsomeone to hear today.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah.
So he's had me in a space rightnow just in the past three
weeks.
That is blowing my mind toshreds and at the same time,
opening my heart in ways.
I'm like, oh gosh, you're sogood, you're so big, you're so
beyond anything that we know.
And it all spurred.
It was all spurred by anunfortunate event about three

(20:06):
weeks ago.
A very close friend of so, herein this campground where we're
at, there's a lot of full timerswhere it isn't so much of
people transient coming andgoing.
It's people who are stationary,have been here a couple of
years, that kind of thing.
So we are a very closeneighborhood.
We do life together.
It's amazing.
And one real key person in ourcampground, who actually his RV

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is directly across from mine.
I'd wake up in the morning.
He's always got the happy face.
He's always bright and shiny.
It was always his desire to getthe campground together.
Do different events, thingslike that.
He was very actively involved.
His name's Jimmy.
Do different events, thingslike that.
He was very actively involved.
His name's Jimmy and everybodyloved Jimmy.
Three weeks ago Jimmy got in anaccident, with a semi fatal

(20:52):
accident, and died instantly andit wrecked this campground.
I don't say it didn't wreck itas in destroy it, but we were
all shaken, put it that way, andit's like, just all of a sudden
, just like that, he's not there.
So I have a really, I guess,different approach to death, in

(21:13):
that and I mentioned earlierthat, um, growing up I was with
the foreign service, my fatherwas with the foreign service, so
every two or three years of mylife, we moved into a different
country, and it was just my wayof existing that I knew that
every two or three years, I wassaying goodbye to good friends
and knowing that I'm never goingto see them again, and so I
always had this idea that it wasidea that, you know, it was

(21:36):
great that we spent timetogether.
Now I'm going to go this place,you know, or maybe you're going
to that place, I'm never goingto see you again, but it was
amazing that we had our timetogether, and I cherish that,
and so I've always taken thataspect of goodbyes to to death,
and so death has never botheredme.
That being said, though, thepeople that I have died in my

(22:00):
life really have been more likedistant relatives, that kind of
thing.
Sure, jimmy's death, however,did you know I was stuck.
And because I'm he's.
His RV is right there, rightacross from mine.
Every morning I'd see him.
He was always like you know,light in the campground and all

(22:20):
of a sudden he's gone, just likethat.
One day he's here, the nextmoment he's not.
And as I sat with it, then Irealized Truly why I was really
so bothered by his death.
And it was.
I was, I wasn't sure where hewas spending eternity, and that
really really concerned me.

(22:41):
And it was the first time,first time I've had a friend die
and first time I've really hadsomeone close to me that I had
to ask that question.
Yeah, not a lot of deaths in mylife.
Yeah'm sorry.
And so I was just, really, just, you know, alone with the lord
and all that.
And it's like, lord, what?

(23:01):
What's going on?
and here's the thing, jimmy, hehad seed in him, his mother was
apostolic, okay, um he only cameto our, our church gathering
here once, but so many times wewould have conversations
separate from all that.
You know just just you know andPat, he would come over to my
van and we would talk for hoursand he would ask me questions

(23:23):
about the Bible, questions aboutGod, questions about what you
know, you know, living a lifefor the Lord, different things
like that.
He of course had his own ideasand rebuttals and those kinds of
things, but he asked questionsand he, that seed, got in there.
I know it, and I'm not the onlyperson he would have those
conversations with either.
There are others in acampground that he he had those

(23:46):
conversations about the Lordwith.
So I knew there was seed inthere, but I don't know that he
gave his heart to the Lord.
I mean, he never did in myunderstanding, in my friendship
with him.
So I was like Lord, you knowwhere is he at.
And as I was spending time withthe Lord, one thing, one way

(24:07):
that the Holy Spirit speaks tome is with words, where the Lord
will drop words on my heart andthe words that I don't
typically use, and so I have tolook up you know the definition,
which I love.
I know, I didn't come up withthat one, this is totally you.
So all of a sudden, the HolySpirit goes indictment.

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I'm like indictment, okay.
So I looked up the wordindictment and indictment is a
formal charge or accusation of aserious crime.
Lord, indictment and indictmentis a formal charge or
accusation of a serious crime.
And I'm like, okay, lord, likewhat?
Like what are you saying thiswith regard to?
And he said issue an indictmentagainst the devil and do it now
.
I'm like what?
Okay, okay, he's, because itwasn't Jimmy's time.

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The devil took Jimmy before itwas his time.
And and the Holy spirit wassaying issue an indictment now
against the devil.
I'm like, okay, so in Jesusname, I'm issuing an indictment
against you, satan.
You had no right to take him.
That wasn't Jimmy's time.
And by the, by the authorityvested in me, I'm issuing this

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indictment.
And then I heard the Lord sayproxy.
So I looked at the word proxyand proxy is the authority to
represent someone else,especially in voting.
So I said so, I stand in proxy,in authority to represent Jimmy
and vote for his citizenship inheaven.
I stand in petition for him inJesus name.
I'm like I'm just declaringthese things.
They're not making any sense tome, but I'm just doing what the

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Holy Spirit is telling me to do.
And after I did that, then I,then I hear the Holy Spirit say
together again, together forever.
And I felt the breakthrough.
I'm like what?
And then I hear him say this isnot the end, it's the beginning
.
I'm like and then he saidprosecute him as in prosecute

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the devil.
I'm like all right, we areofficially prosecuted.
You definitely consideryourself as officially
prosecuted.
I'm standing before the courtsof heaven and you are being
prosecuted here and now.
And total breakthrough, peace.
All that you know, fresh, allthat you know.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
I was up in knots and then, all of a sudden, peace,
the presence of God.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
I'm like, lord, what just happened?
This isn't making sense to me.
I'm like is this okay to do?
But I know this is what yousaid you're telling me to do and
I'm feeling the effect of yourpresence and your power right
now.
So explain to me what justhappened.
Can you show me biblically?
You know what we're doing here.
And the first thing the lordsaid, he said there's a lot more

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to all this than you know, okay.
And and then he reminded me ofhave you seen the movie after
death?
um by angel studios, who hadbeen the chosen I'll have to
look it up yeah, it's well.
It's a good movie.
I do feel like they could havedone so much more with it.

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I feel like opportunity to domore, but there and they have
reasons for why they did thingsthe way they did, but there are,
there's a big nugget in therethat that just speak volume.
So, basically, what the movie,the premise of the movie, is
it's an actual documentary wherethe they went and interviewed
about 50 people who have hadnear-death experiences, people

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who have died and come backagain and they didn't have all
50 on the movie, but theyselected from those to do the
testimonies and there were thosewho had heavenly experiences
and there were those who hadhell experiences.
And all the hell experienceshad a common thread.
There was a similarity in eachone of them and that similarity

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was everyone who talked abouthaving a hell experience.
They talked about falling.
They're in pitch darkness andthey're falling in this abyss.
They're just falling in thisabyss and then for some it was a
light started whipping aroundthem.
Others Jesus actually appearedbefore them and reached his hand
out to them and said choose now, choose me now.

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Will you choose me?
And I remember like one of themwas.
It was an atheist and he's likeI have denied you my whole
entire life.
I have no right to choose you.
And he's like choose me now,before you hit the bottom and
you're in hell forever.
Choose me now.
And and like the bottom, andyou're in hell forever.
Choose me now.
And it's like.
This is the amazing grace of God, because God truly decides that
none should perish and theBible says if you confess with

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your mouth and believe in yourheart that he is Lord, then
you'll be saved.
So even in that final moment,as they're falling down, in hell
before they smack and hit thehell and are stuck there for
eternity.
In that moment, the Lord is in,there, calling people out, and
I'm like, oh my God, lord, youare too good, I mean the goal is

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wonders like you know, how Lordcan you let people go to hell?
You know we in our broken nature, we desire that none would go
to hell.
And how can you let people dothat when you're so much, your
heart is so much better than us,and this is would go to hell.
And how can you let people dothat when you're so much, your
heart is so much better than us,and this is there's so much
more that we don't know, yeah,and so he first reminded me of
that.
I'm like, oh okay, and I knewwith all that seed in jimmy's
life that if he had thatencounter he would have said yes

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yes but there was more to it.
So.
So the lord began with that,and then he reminded me about a
revelation he gave me about 15years ago, and it was,
interestingly enough on theheels of a friend, mentioning a
book called Life After Life,which also deals with near-death
experiences.
It's a book where the authorinterviewed people who you know

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weren't Christians like Muslims,buddhists, that kind of thing
and they had, you know, they haddied and come back, and they
all had the same thing to saythey were like we saw light and
a man in a white robe, what, andand.
When I was asking the Lordabout all this back then he
started explaining some thingsto me and and he's so he started

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reminding me about those thingsjust in the past few weeks when
I was asking him what's goingon and what he what he showed me
.
This is where God is moving usinto new revelations, where you
know we're we're moving.
He also moves from glory toglory and really our time here
on earth is not the end.
There's so much more and onething that he has done a lot.

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Well, first of all, you mayknow that anytime god says
something, obviously it'simportant if he says, it's
really important if he says itthree times, but in no uncertain
terms.
Do you ignore what he's saying?
really really really really,really means it say that again,
say that again and say thatagain, right, like when, when
the angels are around him goingholy, holy, holy, because words

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cannot contain just howimmensely holy he is.
It's just that the threes justemphasize things, takes them to
a whole different level.
So with me he'll do that a lotof times when he gives me a
message, like three times thatconfirmation, but sometimes he
also does where it's athree-step progression.
And so with regard to that, hesaid there's the old covenant,

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the Old Testament, the oldcovenant.
He says there's the newcovenant, but there's a third
covenant.
It doesn't stop with the new.
I'm like, oh, there's a thirdone, he's.
He's like, yeah, it's thebridal covenant.
Like, okay, lord, all right,what are you saying?
And and so he.

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So he was talking about that.
And so here's another thingthere's there's a lot of books
that I feel I'm to write.
Actually, to be honest, thevery first prophetic word I ever
received when I in my life,when I was 16 years old, was
that I was going to writemultiple books, and I
practically laughed in the guy'sface because I hated to read, I
hated to write.
I was even kicked out of anEnglish class because I was told
I couldn't write Right, butwhen Holy Spirit does the work

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it's a whole different thing.
So I know there are differentbooks I'm going to write and one
the books I I really haveburning in my heart is called
tip and safe sacred cows,because yeah, there is so much
that our church doctrine hasbought into that isn't
necessarily accurate, but wejust take it as word because
that's what we're told right andwe're not questioning and
seeking it out for ourselves.

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And one of those churchdoctrines is and I know people
are gonna be like, well, thatyou know that's heresy, but this
is how it's so ingrained in uswe're just told that Jesus is
God, but Jesus isn't God.
Jesus is the son of God and theway, the reason the churches
come into that place is becauseJesus, you know, says, you know,

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I and the father are one.
Or when you've seen the father,you've seen me.
Yes, that's true.
Because it's speaking of such adeep, intimate connection.
That relationship is so so andjust, just, just, you know, just
, I can't even, I don't evenhave the word to explain just
how light that connection is.
And it's that relationship,that, that, that, that that

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Jesus desires of us.
In John 17, 21, where Jesus isspeaking to the father, says
that you and I are one and wedesire that all believers be one
with us.
So if we're one with God, doesthat mean that we're God?
Of course not.
It's just that the relationshipneeds to be that caliber.

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And if you're trying tounderstand the truth on that,
well, go to the cross.
And it's like how could Jesussay my God, my God, why have you
forsaken me if he was God, andhow could he be separated from
God if he was God?
So so it's.
There's a lot in ourunderstanding, in our western

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culture that misconstrueseastern culture's way of
communicating and I thinkthere's things like that where
we've just assumed that Jesus isGod.
It's like, you know, therethere's this relationship that
we miss out on if we see it thatway.
But when we understand thatJesus is the son of God and
their relationship is so tightthat, you know, if you've seen

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me, you've seen the father weshould be in a place where we
can say that Jesus and I are one.
Or if you've seen me, you'veseen Christ, because we should
have that intimate connection aswell.
And that's what he wasemphasizing.
He's like when, because I waslike what's the bridal covenant?
Like I mean, and here, so I'mgoing to sort of take a little
bit of rabbit trail a bit.
Here's the thing, too, that hewas explaining.

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Imagine the people in the OldTestament, right, and there were
prophets that knew that therewas more to come.
There was the Messiah that wascoming, coming.
They had wisps and shadows ofthe new testament, but they
didn't have a full understandingof it, right?
So take that and then shift itover to the new testament, where
we have wisps andunderstandings of you know, of

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what it's like you know, in thenew millennium, and it's like
you know, when we're at themarriage piece of life we.
We hear that it's to come, butbut we don't have, we barely
have, we don't have anunderstanding about it.
So that's the same.
That's where we are right now.
There's so much more, so muchmore.
Just like for the Old Testament, there was so much more which
we now are privy to in the NewTestament.

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But now we're in the NewTestament and there's so much
more in the bridal covenant thatwe don't know.
So to assume that that we canfit all of god into our little
minds and our understandings is,you know, right, right, um.
So so going to, as the lord'sexplaining about the bridal

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covenant, what's that like?
He's like.
That oneness is so tight.
You and I are one.
When a bride and her husbandare truly to become one, there
is no place where I end and youbegin.
So if I?
So, this is Jesus speaking.
So, so if I can go into theabyss and cat and call people

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out, so can you, because whenyou do it, it's as if I'm doing,
it's as if you do.
You know it's.
There's no differentiationthere's no differentiation
between whether it's you or me.
We're one.
I'm like what the wow that'snow that's yeah.
It just took the understandingof when he said all authority is
given to you to trample onsnakes and serpents and all the

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powers of hell, and nothing,nothing will by any means harm
you.
And that was when he says allauthority is mine, I'm giving
you all my authority, and alsothat's in what Luke 10, 19.
And then in Ephesians 1, 3, itsays that every single spiritual
blessing in heaven that belongsto Christ is ours.
Now it makes sense, becausewhen we're one, we, we, we, you

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get it it's like we're wrappedin all that he is, he's and
we're in him and it says that inthe bible.
But we don't understand just thegravity of how big that is when
you go back into the word andstart reading it, with that
understanding like, oh my god,there's so much and we're not
touching the fraction of whatyou died to give us.

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There's so much for us to bewalking.
And then he's like here's thekey, you can walk in it.
Now we're in a crossover season, we're at the end days where
we're crossing over into thatnew era and where there is like
cross, there's like sort of Idon't know spillage coming.
You know, from the, from theneck air coming through and
that's why there's so much, youknow like, um, so many words

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coming out there about you know,be willing to let go of the old
because god's doing somethingnew and it's not going to make
sense to our old church doctrine.
Because we're in that crossoverseason, because, because we are
on those final last days, sohere's the fun part.
He then told me I'll go andresearch what the marriage

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process is for a Jewish wedding.
I'm like okay, all right.
So I looked up the process andapparently there are two phases
to a Jewish wedding.
The first phase is thebetrothal.
Now Now the betrothal, which isalso called the kidushin.
The betrothal is not, as weunderstand, an engagement.

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The betrothal is actually whenyou're betrothed to someone, you
are legally wed to them.
In that moment You're alreadylegally wed.
Now there are key things thathappen at a patrol, though.
Number one the groom pays thebride price for her.
Guess what that is?

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The groom paid the bride price.
That's the cross right.
And then the bride and groomsign a contract together where
she gives up her life to be inunion with him, their salvation
for you.
And they seal that contractwith a cup of wine.

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It's communion, and even thebread part of communion.
When you know when we, this isyour body, and it's two becoming
one, it's two becoming one itcentralizes the two becoming one
sothose three things.
Yeah, the new testament is thebetrothal, that's where we are,
but the patrol, as I said, isyou are legally wed, you're
right.
That's why, you know, at thelast supper, jesus is speaking

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in these terms, you know, andand the, the disciples being
jews, they understood that thejewish marriage process is like.
Why is he talking in marriageterms?
Because what happens after thebetrothal is the groom, so the
bride, she stays where she is,she stays on earth, put it that

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way and the groom goes toprepare a place for her.
He goes, he goes to get toprepare a home for her, to for
them to be together in hello.
Wow, so new to this?
I'm just reading this is whatI'm reading.
You know what study?

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This isn't any biblical.
So this is how the jewishprocess is.
You have the betrothal, whereyou have the groom pays the
bride price, the bride and groomsign the contract where she,
you know, lets go of her life tojoin with his, and then they
seal it with a cup of wine, withthis cup to thee I wed, and
then she stays where she is, buthe says you stay here and I'm
going to go and prepare a placefor you.

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And then I'm coming back, andwhen I come back then we're
going to have our marriage theactual wedding, the marriage
feast of the lamb, and then, andthen in our you know, in the
terms that we're speaking, thenwe're going to rule and reign
together with him for eternity.
I mean rule and reign.
I don't think we know thatreally means to truly rule and

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reign with him, truly with thatintimate as one.
And here's another thing too,because I asked, so I also
looked up, okay?
so let me actually explain alittle bit the second part so
that's the first part of thesecond part is the marriage,
which is called nisuyim, andyeah, that's where the groom
comes back for his bride.
They have the marriage feast.

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She goes to live with him.
Okay, I did say that they ruleand reign together, but then I
asked, I was curious so what isthe role of the bride while
she's waiting for her groom?
Right.
So I look that up.
And what the bride does?
She makes herself ready andmaintains her purity.

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Hello, yes, and I was lookingup.
So Revelation 19, seven toeight, says let us this is
speaking of the marriage pieceof the lamb Let us be glad and
rejoice and give him glory, forthe marriage of the lamb has
come and his wife has madeherself ready.
And verse 8 goes on to say sothat's the purity and it's just.

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Everything just matches.
And you know what else she doeswhen she's waiting for her
husband?
She goes to a mikvah.
Do you know what a mikvah is?
I don't.
A mikvah is a pool of waterwhere she is immersed, and it's
the Jewish tradition for a brideto go into mikvah and it's
symbolizing letting the old lifego away and coming up fresh and

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clean to join with your husband.
I can't make this stuff up.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
I know If you guys could see our faces right now.
It's so amazing.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
It is.
Yeah, there's all thesereligions out there, but this is
an internet.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but this is an internetyeah, yeah, yeah and and the
whole.
So that oneness, though, issomething that I just really
want to emphasize the fact thathe's saying the reason you could
, you could issue an indictmentand stand in the proxy for

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jimmy's, because you're one withme and you have the authority
to do whatever I have theauthority for.
I'm like, it's that one, it'slike, as you're there, it's like
I'm there, it's it's all one inthe same.
And the key, too, with all thatis because there's a lot of so
I just want to explain who thebride of Christ is.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah, there's, you know there's.
There's some people who mightwonder, like they don't have all
this revelation that you'veexperienced so far.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Who's going to get to enter into into that?
So revelation 22, 14.
So I'm I'm dealing with theback of the book as we're
entering, you know, closing outthat covenant to enter into the
next covenant, you know itactually says um, I forget which
verse, but in in revelation 22,where it says the spirit and

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the bride say come.
And actually just a little sidenote on that, what the Holy
Spirit was showing me about that, what that means, that is what
it's like when the bride hastruly become a place where the
Holy Spirit can truly, where thebride has really come to a
place where she can truly hostthe Holy Spirit.
And it's that bride, thatpowerful warrior bride, who is

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truly hosting Holy Spirit.
She's saying come, come.
There's so much more Come.
And let me show you what we getto be on the other side of this
.
There's so much more than whatyou're experiencing right now.
But what we're experiencingright now New Testament was
experiencing right now.
New testament was so vitallynecessary to get to the next
level.
But but it doesn't mean that westay in this place.

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You know, sort of like a rocketship when it's surging up to
the moon or into outer space, ithas to let those stages off.
They have to fall off,otherwise they'll compromise the
intent yes yeah.
So, just like in the oldtestament, they had to abandon
the animal sacrifices.
Right, don't do it, becausejesus is, you know, took the
place of that.

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And we ourselves also have to,you know, sacrifice and lay down
our lives, take up a cross.
But then the lord's blowing mymind because he's like, on the
other side, this I know this islike a big thing to say and and
this is something we have toprocess and we're not there.
But there's not going to besacrifice on the other side,
this battling of the flesh,we're going to move in so much

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liberty so much freedom andpower.
Can you just try to considerthat for a moment, just
entertain that for a moment, tryto consider that for a moment,
just entertain that for a moment.
What is to be truly limitless?
So here's the key, though, andthis is why it's so important
what our walk with the lord hereon earth right now because not
everybody's going to be part ofthe bride yeah so let's take a

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picture.
Let's look at the, thetabernacle.
You have the outer courts, theinner courts and the holy of
holies right, and then the outercourts.
There's a whole lot of peopleright, there's all the
israelites.
But once you get into the innercourts you just have the
priests, and then of course, theholy of holies was only in the
one, the high priests.
So the deeper you go in, thefewer the people are yeah so

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this is have you ever seen?
um uh, jesse duplantis has anamazing testimony when he went
to heaven.
I haven't, oh my gosh, you needto find it, I'll have to.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
I'll have to have you send it to me and we can put it
in the show notes okay, okay,absolutely.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Um Okay, okay, absolutely, of any testimonies
about heaven.
His so resonates in my spirit.
And because the Biblespecifically says that the
tabernacle is was created afterthe blueprint of heaven, right?
So what Jesse says, when hewent to heaven, when he got

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there, first of all, he gotthere and there was this
gorgeous garden, beautifulgarden, and it was filled with
people and garments, and thename of that garden was Paradise
.
There are a lot of people inthat garden, yeah, but those
were the people who had giventheir heart to the Lord but
hadn't actually lived their lifefully for him.

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Okay, they did recognize him assavior, so they were able to
come to heaven and they were inthe garden and they had garments
.
And then there was the city, thecity of the new Jerusalem, and
he said, within the city, thatpeople there had robes,

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exquisite, royal robes, and theywere the ones who laid their
lives down for the Lord.
They were the ones who justabandoned everything for him.
They are the bride is what I'vecome to understand.
When Jesus said in my Father'shouse, there are many, many
mansions and I'm going toprepare a place for you.

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So the ones who get mansionsare those who are part of that
bridal company, those who havelaid down their life for the
Lord.
They're going to have a mansionin the city and, of course, the
throne room is the Holy ofHolies is where is, you know, is
where the father is the.
Holy is where the father is.
But the key thing that I wasseeing in all this is that's why

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there's such an emphasis.
Because let me go back toRevelation.
What was it?
22, 14.
I don't think I actuallymentioned that one yet.
Revelation 22, 14 said blessedare those who do do his

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commandments, that they may evenhave the right to the tree of
life and may enter through thegates into the city.
So the bride are the doers,those in the garden are just the
hearers.
You don't want to be a hearer,only you want to be a doer, yeah
you want to be a both end.
Yeah, you want to be a both end?
Yes, absolutely.
You recognize him as savior,but you don't stop there.
He, truly your lord.
That's what it is when you,when you do, when you lay your

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life down and you, you're justcompletely, hopelessly abandoned
towards him.
That's when he is your lord,not just of a corner of your
heart, but he is your lordthrough and through and you will
go anywhere, no matter what itlooks like, what we're talking
before.
I don't, I can't see anythinggood out of where you're taking
me, but I want to trust on yourgoodness, because you are my

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Lord and there was no otheroption for me.
I gave you my yes.
There was no other option.
That's the bride, the otherpeople out in the garden.
They're really like, like theguests to the wedding.
But and here's the key, here'sa neat thing too.
You know how you know, whenjesus was on the cross and
there's the one thief that saidyou know, remember me.
And jesus said I'll see you inparadise, like it fits right.

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Yeah, wow, yeah, he's gonna bein the garden.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
He didn't have an opportunity to lay down his life
, but he at least gets to be inthe garden yeah right, such an
incredible like I love, I think,in pictures, like I'm always
like it's almost like a movie isplaying right now as you're
talking, and I hope that thelisteners are also like catching
what you're you're saying aswell, because there's a, there's

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a key difference between thegarden and the city.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Yes, yes, do not just be a hero, only be a doer.
It says in isaiah.
You know, if you were willingand obedient, then we'll eat the
good of the land.
There's so much throughout theentire bible about being a doer,
about, you know, obeying hiscommandments.
Um, last year he had me wrappedaround Joshua 1.7, where it

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said be strong and courageous.
And it wasn't be strong andcourageous to fight your giants,
it was be strong and courageousto obey my word and do it, and
in that you will prosper.
And you do have to be strong,courageous to obey Because, like
I said yeah, we talked about itit's like you have to do what
he's like to be strong andcourageous to obey Because, like
I said, yeah, we talked aboutit it's like you have to do what
he's like be strong andcourageous to trust me and to

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actually do it Right.
You know the wise man and thefoolish man.
What were the differencesbetween them?
The wise man is one who hearsthe word of the God and does it.
The foolish man is one who hearsit and doesn't do anything with
it and builds his house on sand.
Amen amen around the bible.
There's such an emphasis and itmakes so.
If you want, and this is thekey our decisions here on earth
is going to determine ourhierarchy where we get placed in

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heaven for eternity.
You know, our time is but a wispyeah and and when you get there
, yes, thank god, you're goingto be in the garden, but is that
all you want?
There's so much more, becausewhen we get there, we just we
don't just sit there and, youknow, play a harp.
We still have a call, we stillhave a destiny, we still have a
purpose.
Remember, we get to rule and weget to reign with our husband,

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jesus.
What?
Does that look like what are wedoing together?
What kind of missions are we ontogether?

Speaker 2 (51:35):
I was like right, there's so much to that.
Yeah, there's, yeah, there'smore, but wait, there's more,
there's more.
So I, you know, when I'mlistening, I'm often kind of
imagining maybe somebodylistening to you right now who's
maybe saying well, like I don'thave like something really big

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that some, you know, god'scalling me to do, I'm just
called to be a mom.
You know, these are just thingsthat I'm going to put out here
to you to maybe explore a littlebit more and just cover.
But, like, I'm just called tobe a mom, or I'm just called to
be a teacher, I'm just you know,I hear that a lot Like I'm just
this, but if he's calling youto something, because I'm all

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about the, but God said like Iam your.
But God said like come along,friend, like come on, let's go.
But would you just kind of touchon that a little bit, because
in this world there's a it's youknow it's upside down kingdom,
right, so the people who aregoing to enter the city, they're

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not always going to be like thepresident or a movie star, or
do you know what I'm saying,could you?
Could you just kind of you knowwhat I'm saying, where I'm?

Speaker 3 (52:55):
where I'm going with this.
Yeah, so there's a great bookmay have put a link to this one
too, speaking of heavenlyencounters and how encountered,
um rick?
Uh, rick joyner wrote a bookcalled uh, the vision, and it's
actually a combination of histwo best books were the quest
and the call, and these are.
He had and he had encountered,or like visit, like where he was

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taken up to heaven or to hellor what have you, and the detail
that he accounts is justamazing.
But one thing I'll never forgetis he actually was brought to
the throne room and he said bythe father's throne.
There were all these otherthrones to the side of him and
they were where people who havetruly honored god in their life

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were being recognized and hesaid, you will be amazed who's
sitting in those thrones andwho's not.
He said for example, in thosethrones I saw a little housewife
and she may not have doneanything that the public knew
about, but she prayed.
She had a heart, so sold outout to the lord, whereas there's
a big evangelist you know,pastor is in the crowd nowhere

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near those seats and that's thekey thing.
God is all about the heart.
Yeah, he's about the heart.
Is your heart towards him, oris your heart towards yourself,
or you know?
Um, this is a whole differenttangent we could get into, but
you know, when Lucifer and athird of the angels fell, they
were all worship angels.

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Lucifer was a, was a, was aworst His.
He was an archangel assigned tobring glory to God.
That's actually what his namemeans.
Lucifer is a Englishtranslation, a true.
His true name is Halal inHebrew, which means glory to God
, and that's what his assignmentwas to in hebrew, which means
glory to god, and that's whathis assignment was to do.
But he put glory to himself,but he was the archangel over

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all the worship angels.
Well, when they were all kickedout, the bible says a third of
the angels, and they were allkicked out because he you know
he got prideful and they were inline with him and that's where
they became the demons.
Here's the key thing.
They were still designed toworship, but and they still
function.
But their whole agenda is toget you to worship anybody but

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god.
They're so focused on gettingyou to worship yourself.
Worship celebrities, worshipmaterial things, worship success
.
You name it.
Fill in the blank.
Worship, of course.
Yeah, worship the devil himself.
You know just anybody but god.
And that's what the tree ofknowledge of good and evil is
all about.
You know, eat this fruit andyou'll be wise.

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You don't need him, you'll bewise like him and you can.
It's all about you.
And so, knowing that it's likethose who have completely
separated themselves from thatwhole idea and have truly their
whole life just encompassesworship to the lord, because god
wants to fill that space, thatvoid in heaven, where those

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worship angels are.
He wants to fill that with anarmy of worshipers, and that's
what he's doing here on earth byby giving us a choice are you
going to choose your way oryahweh?
There we go amen, yahweh.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
There's the new t-shirt.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
You know the right yeah, yeah, because because he,
he doesn't want to fill thatvoid with, with, with, with
those who you know, just put,just just fill it up and with
the, with the chance of having,you know, it happen all over
again, where, where, where thosethat he put in in that void are
now worshiping themselves too.

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No, that's why earth is reallylike a, a proving ground, a
testing ground to find the newcompany of worshipers that are
going to be positioned in heaven.
And it's our decision here onearth that determines whether or
not we're going to be a part ofthat worshiping team.
And that's huge and that's alsowhy our worship here on earth,

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while we're here I mean it saysin Psalms how, like you know,
when we praise, that God isenthroned on our praises.
So, when we're going through adifficult time, praise him, just
honor him, worship him, andthen he is enthroned on our
situation and he can rule and hecan reign and he can take care
of that situation.
If we don't praise him, he'snot enthroned on that situation.

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And we're fighting andstruggling, but the best thing
to do, and the hardest thing todo, is to be that sacrifice of
praise.
I heard a testimony once of thepower of praise, where there are
all these churches who decidedto come out into the streets in
LA and just praise and worshipGod.
This was years and years ago,even before Sean Foyt, you know,
started doing let us worship.
But they were, and this was akey thing, it was different

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churches coming together despitethe denominations, and that was
that.
That unity was huge.
And well, the witches came outbecause they wanted to dismantle
it, but they got out there andthe presence of god was so power
because of the praise thatthere are witches who actually
said what is this power?
We know power.
We don't know this power, whatis this?

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and a bunch of them got savedthat day because, yes, we don't
realize that praise is hell'sachilles heel, because they're
designed to be worshipers, butthey only worship anything but
God.
When we choose to worship God,they can't handle it.
They fall to the pieces.
Yeah, so praise, praise.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Yes, I'm so with you on that, like in some of the
most challenging times sinceI've been a believer, um that
it's always been so highlightedto me to just get in that
posture of praise because it is,it's violent.
It's like, you know, just likejust like Jehoshaphat's army, I

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think I'm saying is.
I always wonder am I saying hisname right?
But it's okay, jehoshaphat,jehoshaphat, jehoshaphat,
anyways.
But that battle strategy ofsending out the worshipers first
, it confused the enemy and theyslaughtered each other.
Yeah exactly.
So what does that look like foryou If you were to share, if

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somebody is listening today?
What does that look like foryou tangibly?
Um, to get into a posture ofpraise if, if you're maybe
walking through somethingchallenging, if somebody's
wondering like, well, how doesshe do that?

Speaker 3 (59:11):
yeah, I just I'll just sing and I'll just praise
him.
Um, one of my darkest moments,um, it really is a sacrifice
because your flesh doesn't wantto do it, and that's the thing
you're dying to, that and you'remaking him holy or making God
is the one, the only one, thatmatters.
And when we do that, theamazing thing is it shifts our
perspective and it shifts ourattitude and suddenly we're not

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focused on our problem.
Here's the thing I actuallybelieve that praise is more
powerful than prayer.
I'm not negating prayer.
I'm the thing.
I actually believe that praiseis more powerful than prayer.
I'm not negating prayer, I'mjust saying I think praise is is
.
I've found a more powerfulweapon because you can get into
prayer and next thing, you know,you're so focused on the issue
and your faith isn't gettingbuilt up because you're sort of

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desperately asking for help inthis situation.
And there may be moments forthat kind of thing, but I have
found where my go-to is just topraise you.
Yeah, yeah, me too, for sure.
It shifts you out of anydesperation.
It shifts you out of lack offaith.
It builds up faith.
It creates faith.
Joy, literally.
Yes, the joy of the Lord is ourstrength when we start praising

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the Lord and we enter into thejoy of the lord is our strength
when we start praising the lordand we enter into the joy of the
lord.
Someone can get through thistrial, whereas before it was, it
was trampling us and now it'sthe other way around yeah,
absolutely well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
I'm just curious if you were to think of like a song
that has been, like if you hada record player and the record
like ended up getting indentedbecause you played it so many
times.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Really, do you have one of those songs?
I don't have one of those songs.
I don't think, because I justlistened to a variety of things
and sometimes it isn't even asong, it's just I'm just singing
to the Lord.
Also, just singing in tonguesis so powerful.
I'll do that, because sometimesI won't even know what, what
words do I even sing?
That's the best thing.

(01:01:08):
When we have the gift oftongues, we can just sing in in
our prayer language and it's theperfect song and we don't have
to try to fathom you know what,what the song, what the words
are.
But there is a song that yougave me that I'm thinking of
right now, that I think maybeit's meant for one of our
listeners or a bunch of them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
That's why I was asking, because I think that
there's a song for somebody, butpeople call me god's dj.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
So the one that's coming to mind right now is
dancing on the grave.
Oh, yeah, right for that one tooyes, yes and yeah, she actually
says in the song that praisesmy weapon, and the words are are
amazing, it's it's such a songof victory and joy and, wow,

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this person is going through ahard time.
She sure is it.
I mean, it's just like nightand day difference from, you
know, trying to get through thattough stuff in the world or in
our own strength.
And this is a joy that comesfrom that song and, yeah,
trampling on on those chains andyeah, amen, that that's what it
comes back to, that authorityand if we can sort of come back

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to just for a moment, that anintimacy with the lord of when
he's truly our husband and weare truly one, that's why
there's such emphasis, you know,like on John 15, about the vine
and the branch.
And you don't want, you want tobe disconnected from the vine.
Abide in me, abide in he wordis in me, and I know people talk

(01:02:38):
about dwell.
I feel that abide is even moreintimate than dwell.
Dwell is sort of, I feel likeside by side, where it's like I
can dwell with my roommate but Iabide with my husband amen,
very good, that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Yes, well, I feel like I want to have you back
another time when, especiallywhen your book babies okay being
birthed.
Um, one thing I'd want to askis there anything?
Well, is there anything elsethat you'd want to share?
Um, specifically around this,um revelation that you've had?
I don't want to cut you off ifyou had more I think that's

(01:03:17):
really it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
I think holy spirit really hit it um but if there's
anything that you're to walkaway from.
Yeah, just knowing that we arebecause we're betrothed to him.
Now we are already legally wedto him we already have all of
his authority.
We already have all of hisblessings.
Everything that says is alreadyours.

(01:03:38):
As we choose to abide with him,we enter into that intimate
place where we truly become one,and that was what's just been
turning my world upside downright, because I I was in a
place where I was like, lord, Ineed the third book.
I was like it's now, it's likeit feels like the old testament
is old news.
I want the third book, like Idon't even know if I can read

(01:03:59):
your word, which is horrible tosay, of course, which is I'm not
, that's not going to happen.
He said he said knowing what youknow now.
Now go back and read my wordand see how, oh my gosh, every
it.
Suddenly it's like the word ofgod is a whole different book
now, with that understanding,and you get and you can see all

(01:04:21):
the places throughout everythingyou say.
You've been saying this allalong, we just didn't get it.
Now it's a whole differentunderstanding and it's just new
food for my soul.
That's.
That just takes you higher.
So, if I can say anything, justspend time with the Lord and
come into that place of reallyunderstanding.

(01:04:42):
Wow, we, you and I are onething that you are, is, is in me
, and it's like there's no placewhere you start and I begin, or
you end and I begin, and youknow.
You know we get to do thesethings together and and and be a
doer.
You know when he calls you,even though it doesn't make
sense, trust that he's a goodGod, trust that Jesus is an

(01:05:04):
amazing husband.
You're not doing this alone.
Be a doer because your eternitymatters and it's not just about
your eternity, because thenthat could be focused on self.
But you know it's worship tothe Lord to do the things he
calls out to do.
And that's what we're here to do.
We're here to worship him.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Yes, yeah, that's what we're.
We're here to do, we're here toworship him.
Yes, and can I?
Can I just add to that too,because I feel that there's just
a little part that we could add, if that's okay.
Um, so, the doer aspect so whenhe's calling us to do something
, there's somebody else that'swaiting for you to step forward.
Yeah, you're, you have aneffect like if, if you don't go

(01:05:44):
step out, there's somebody elsethat's not.
Thank you for saying that,because there was one thing I
was absolutely I was doing thewrong thing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Put it that this way.
And the lord apprehended me.
And then I cut it offimmediately.
And when I did, he said thankyou.
I mean mean this deep thank you, like from the bottom of God's
heart, if you can imagine howbig his heart is and how deep
that thank you would be.
And then he said I don't justthank you, but everybody you're
called to touch thanks youbecause your decision right now

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affects them.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Yes, yeah, it's like, like it's so, it's so beyond us
yeah it's so beyond.
Yeah, we're literally onmission we are here and when the
more.
Yes, yes, yes so um, so one ofthe things that I do, I think

(01:06:38):
you you did cover um quite a bit, but when I'm you know, like,
as you know, like I do this forthe one, if you could just
imagine, um, typically women whoare listening, just imagine
that one woman listening intoday.
Do you have anything specificthat you'd want to share and
speak over her?
And then would you be open topraying us out?

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
What I'm hearing right now is your husband, jesus
, and he's saying I died for you.
I died for you, I love you sodesperately.
I left heaven and I died foryou.
You are my love, you are mybeloved.

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You are my love.
You are my beloved and that'sthe thing too, as I'm, as I've
been growing in this, when Inormally I pray to, when I pray,
it's the father God.
Now I'm finding myself reachingout to Jesus, but it's like I
don't just want to call youJesus, because I feel like an
intimate husband and wife wouldhave like a closer, more

(01:07:43):
intimate name and so, like youknow, just praying like my
beloved, it's like, and lettingyourself your heart, feel the
love you would have for yourbeloved.
It's because it it has taken awhole different shape of that
intimacy, my beloved, and justletting yourself your heart flow

(01:08:05):
in, yeah, and that husband wifekind of love with him, and it
just creates that deeperintimacy with him.
It's like wow yeah I mean, I'vealways had where it's like I've
been so focused on Father, godand good father and yes, he is

(01:08:25):
an amazing father and I'm nevergoing to lose touch to that.
But now, aspect Wow, and that'sthe thing.
And when it comes to the doers,I don't want it to be a
religious doing yeah of thedoers.
I don't want it to be areligious doing yeah, um, that

(01:08:46):
that's that's the thing too islike when we are truly living
and moving and having our beingwith our husband, um, there's no
obligation anymore, there's nostriving anymore.
It's such a blessing to get tobe a part of him and a part of
us and what we get to dotogether yeah it's a dance yeah
joyful dance when jesus said ifyou love me, you would obey my

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commands, we in our flesh canthink like oh, that's like
shaming, like no, that's notwhat he was saying, that's just
the reality.
When we love him, we we can'thelp ourselves, which we just
want to be a part of what he'sdoing.
I don't ever want it to be areligious thing.
Give yourself the freedom he'sbeen giving me.

(01:09:29):
Freedom now to do things that Iwas always so restricted on and
trying to even curbing what Iknow, adjusting what my time
like when I wake up in themorning, and natural things like
that he said don't worry about,just go ahead and do what you
want to do.
I'm like what he's like.

(01:09:50):
I've trained you have so muchthat if you go there you're not
even going to want to do whatyou think you want to do and.
I've done that, where it's likeall right, I'm not, I'm just
going to do what I want to do.
And then it's like, yeah, Iwant to get back, you're way
better, but.
But it's where it's like nowthere's no obligation, it just
so.
It's like the old Testament was.
You know, there's all thisabout.

(01:10:10):
I'm going to all these details,maybe talking too much, but
where it's like you know, whenAdam and Eve failed at the, you
know, when they fell, they sawwhat looked good and then they
ate it.
So then they saw, then they didand then they became ungodly and

(01:10:32):
what our walk is all aboutturning that ship around.
But again it begins with whatdo we see and then or hear, and
then and then doing with regardto that and then being becoming
godly?
And I found that the oldtestament was really like a
place of coming into theunderstanding of god, to where

(01:10:53):
it's like.
That's where we begin to seeand to hear the things of god.
The new testament is when we'reactually now stepping out and
doing the things of god.
The bridal covenant is where wewill truly be and that's what
God has created us to be andthat's what I want you to,
whoever's listening right now,even because we're in that
crossover place, just be, and inbeing with your husband, all

(01:11:22):
those the do things are justgoing to, they're going to flow
and they're going to be fun andthey're going to be peaceful.
I don't want you to try to doseparate from your husband.
So maybe I just want to cautionthat, because I know I do a lot
, but the M is the B.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Yeah, that's good.
I think that the way thatyou're conveying it isn't in a

(01:12:05):
striving way, it's an obedientstep, that there is an ease
about it.
But there is going to be.
But you know, get people aroundyou, that that get it, that are
that understand this walk um.
Wouldn't you say like find yeahfind your people.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Yes, yes, they're, they're strength in numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Yeah so, so well.
Thank you, michelle, you areamazing.
I'm so blessed that heconnected us.
For sure, I will definitelyhave you back when those book
babies come out, because we wantto make sure that people hear
about it.
So thank you for being a bravevoice who's setting others free,
and for all of the things thathe's calling you to do is

(01:12:40):
incredible.
So keep going.
And for all of the things thathe's calling you to do is
incredible.
So keep going.
And I will add to the shownotes information that Michelle
has mentioned and her contactinformation if you want to get a
hold of her, and we'll be backwith Michelle another time and
I'll be back with anotherepisode next week, so we'll see
you later.
Bye, everyone Later.