August 7, 2025 • 69 mins
In this powerful episode of Hope Unlocked, host Kristin Kurtz welcomes global ministry leader Liz Doyle, founder of She Leads America. Liz shares her incredible 56-year journey of boldly preaching the Gospel across war zones, mobilizing women in 60 nations, and launching She Leads chapters in the U.S., U.K., and beyond. Liz’s story is one of fearless obedience, supernatural protection, and raising up Christian women leaders. Be inspired by her unwavering faith, bold risk-taking, and call to live fully for Jesus.
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Email - sheleadsamerica@gmail.com
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast.
I'm your host, kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
I help and empower wildheartedand adventurous women of faith
feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and potential
, break free from limitationsand thrive with confidence,
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Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlockhope together.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy ivy of hope for your soul.
Please help me welcome LizDoyle to the show.
I am so thrilled to hear hervoice and her story today and so
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thankful to our mutual friend,julie Novotsky, which I hope I'm
saying right.
She connected us very recently,so I'm just new to Liz and her
story and I just pray that youknow this episode really impacts
the listeners today.
So, liz, would you be open totelling us a little bit about
yourself before we get into yourstory?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Sure, I love Jesus with my whole heart and I came
to know him when I was 14 yearsold in 1968.
So if you are trying to do themath, I'm 71 years old and I've
been really been activelyserving the Lord since I came to
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Christ, but in the ministry,for 56 years now.
And I'm married to Sid and heand I met in Belfast, northern
Ireland, during the troubles in1972.
And I had just graduated fromhigh school.
And I had just graduated fromhigh school and I, you know, I
was four years old in the Lordand I was seeking his face and
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he said to me that he wanted meto go into that war zone and
preach the gospel and worshipand bring the Prince of Peace
into that nation.
So I got on an airplane Neverbeen on one in my life my
parents hugged me and saidgoodbye to me and that was a
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huge sacrifice to them.
We all came to Christ in 1968.
And we were new believers andwe were on fire for Jesus.
And we were on fire for Jesusand they released me and I got
on the plane with my guitar andflew right into the war zone and
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I was met by an evangelistthere.
So I worked for hisorganization singing in his
meetings, but then from time totime, when there wasn't anything
else on, I would just get on abus and go into the middle of
the city and preach and sing.
And that's where one day, whenI was doing that, I looked out
into the audience and there wasthis good-looking red-haired
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Irishman.
And the Lord spoke to me andsaid you're going to marry him?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
and I just kept preaching, he walked away.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I thought it was my imagination, as I said to the
Lord spoke to me and said you'regoing to marry him.
And I just kept preaching.
He walked away.
I thought it was my imagination.
As I said to the Lord, I'm only18 years old, I'm not, I'm not,
you know, going to get married.
And then he came back later asI had packed up and he found me
and, because the Lord had saidto me that I would marry him, he
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invited me to go to have a cupof coffee.
We talked, I interrogated himto make sure that he was a
follower of Jesus.
And not only was he a followerof Jesus, but he also was in
Bible college studying for theministry, was in Bible college,
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studying for the ministry.
So I knew, yeah, this is theman for me.
So I came back to America andwent to Bible college for a year
and he was already in Biblecollege in Scotland.
And then we got married in 1973, and I went back with him to
Bible college there in Glasgow,scotland, before we began church
planting in the south ofEngland for 25 years.
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So then during that time we hadtwo children and they grew up
in England and they have Englishaccents.
And I'm always saying I don'tthink they ever listened to me a
day in their life.
They have no kind of Americanaccent and they don't have an
Irish accent.
They are both English, and sowe lived there until 1998 when
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we moved to America, where westarted what we call Nations
Light Ministries, and I also hadstarted a movement called
Releasing Daughters of the LastDays and that the Lord had asked
me to do in 1996.
He said I want you to go aroundthe world and empower women,
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train women to reach theirnations for Christ, women to
reach their nations for Christ.
And so that has a wholebackstory in its own right, but
without any name recognition orfunding.
The Lord has sent me throughthat to 60 nations on six
continents, mobilizing hundredsof thousands of women to reach
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their nations with the gospel.
Hundreds of thousands of womento reach their nations with the
gospel.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
So that's what I've been doing, bringing me up to
2019, when the Lord began tospeak to me about my latest
adventure.
Well, tell us more about yourlatest adventure.
I'm going to go back a littlebit.
Actually, let's go back alittle bit.
Okay, how incredible.
Like you, I want to go back.
Your parents released you at 18to send you in.
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You know, like the was itIsaiah 6, 8,?
Like send me.
Yeah, Like you were sent here Iam.
How many parents?
How many parents would do that?
How many parents do you knowthat would do that beside your
parents?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I don't know, because I would have trouble doing it
myself, right.
I would have trouble doing itmyself Right.
But what happened was when Ibecame a Christian when I was 14
, I was just going into myfreshman year of high school and
I was so impacted by the crossand what Jesus did for me.
I immediately went to see myfriends.
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I talked to them, I witnessedto them.
They came to Christ.
In my high school I would haveJesus marches through the halls.
I put posters up everywhere,and it helped that my father was
the superintendent of schools.
I said to him, and he alsobecame a Christian around the
same time.
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And I said to my dad you know,can I do this?
You know, I want to preach thegospel, I want to pray in school
.
And he said, well, it's yourfirst amendment rights, you can
do whatever you want.
And so, with that in my mind, Idid exactly that.
And so by the time I was 16,and I think that we need to be
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more.
So, by the time I was 16, and Ithink that we need to be more,
one thing we need to be more inthe church is aware of the
maturity of our young people andof the fact that God wants to
raise them up and use them.
So at 16, I was at the earlymorning prayer meetings.
I wasn't at pizza parties, Iwasn't running around wasting my
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time.
I mean, we obviously had agreat youth group.
We had a music group.
We used to sing, we used tominister and we had fun together
.
Yeah, we took our faithseriously and, um, I was at the
prayer meeting and the Lordspoke to me that he wanted me to
to go into missions, so thatwhen I was a senior and I was
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seeking the Lord about my future, um, the big on the front of
all the newspapers was thisterrible war that was taking
place in Ireland.
And, yeah, so I asked my dad.
He said ask your mom, thinkingthat my mother would say
absolutely not.
My mom was open and I'll tellyou what happened.
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It was a miracle.
What happened?
I was sitting next to her inchurch.
We had a week of meetings,because back in the seventies,
you know, we would have weeks ofmeetings where you just go to
church every single night andworship the Lord and bring your
friends and they came to Christ.
And it was at one of those times.
I was standing there and mymother, who was standing next to
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me, all of a sudden collapsedon the floor and I thought, oh,
what is this?
But you know, she seemed okay.
She was just on the floor.
I didn't know what happened.
She got up at the end of theservice and she didn't say
anything.
The next night, the same thinghappened.
The third night, the same thinghappened and I thought, oh dear
, it's going to be a pattern.
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You know, I'm a teenager.
It's like what is my motherdoing, belfast?
And I looked at her.
She said because, as I waslaying on the floor, the Lord
said to me move your littlefinger.
And she said I could not move.
And he said that is the powerthat I am going to have.
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I'm releasing on your daughterto protect her.
You let her go and I will lookafter her.
I will protect her.
And so my mom said you can go.
You know that began the wholething Like I really was going.
You know, when you're ateenager, you sort of got these
big ideas and all of a suddenthe Lord really did tell me to
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go.
And then I found myself there onthe streets of Belfast
preaching the gospel.
I mean one day, one day, ourvery first date, if you want to
call it that.
Sid and I were walking throughthe city to go visit his sister,
who was a nurse in a hospitalthere, and when we got to the
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hospital, which overlooked thecity, all of a sudden we heard
boom, boom.
All of a sudden we heard boom,boom and about 24 bombs went off
around the city where we hadjust been walking.
We could have been caught inthose bombs and several people
were killed.
Many people were injured.
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In that day it was called BloodyFriday, but the Lord has always
protected us and that was thebeginning of adventure for us,
because we have subsequentlybeen in many war zones in Sri
Lanka, in Pakistan, um, in othercountries, you know able to
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just there to, you know the Fijiduring a coup.
All kinds of places where theLord has taken us and we've been
able to bring the peace ofJesus and the ministry of
reconciliation.
So you know, that's how myparents let us go.
It was a miracle, really, amove of God on my mother's part,
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and she released me and itwasn't easy for her.
I mean, at the airport she'scrying.
She thought, oh dear.
And then, when I got on theplane, I thought well, you know
I'm going to be killed, I, youknow.
It was sort of like those areyour thoughts.
But then I said, lord, you know, if I die I die, and but if I
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do die I don't want to die inobscurity, I want it to make a
difference.
So that was my pact with him.
So obviously he's decided I'mgoing to make more of a
difference alive than dead.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
So I'm glad to say that.
That's why we're here yes,you're still here so that your
parents were obviously a hugecatalyst and you taking that big
step because, you know, I thinkback to that time in my life I
was saved when I was 25.
So I don't like there's it'sjust a completely different
paradigm to think of steppinginto that realm like you did
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when you made it over to Ireland.
Who, like, did you have?
I think you mentioned there wassomebody that you were going to
meet up with there Did you havea group that really helped, you
know, help you take these stepsinto this new adventure?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, there was an evangelist there who he was very
bold and brave and he wouldhave tent meetings in all these
cities, so he had been to ourchurch and was sharing about
what he was doing.
And so, while he was there, Iasked him, you know, is there a
way that I could come over thereand, you know, encourage the
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young people?
And so he made that.
He met me at the airport and heput me up in.
He actually had old people'shomes, so I stayed in a room in
one of the old people's homesbut I was, you know, often by
myself preaching, and often bymyself.
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There weren't any other youngpeople.
It wasn't like the day ofmission teams or anything like
that.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Right, yeah.
So you literally kind of gotthrown in and the Lord showed
you each step of the way, likewhat it looked like and how to
cause.
I just imagine you, just thisfearless, wild one over there.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Well, they, they actually.
Um, one day I was in the citycenter and I had been invited by
a group of young people,interestingly enough, to come,
and they had a little groupthere that assembled to, you
know, lift up Jesus.
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And so they asked me to come,and so there's a little
microphone there and I'mpreaching down this microphone,
and the BBC showed up, abc TVshowed up and they were filming
me because it was so unusual tosee an American there for a
start, but an 18 year old girleven more.
And I remember the ABC guysaying well, what brings you
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here?
And I said I am here to bringthe Prince of Peace to stop the
war.
You know, he just looked at melike you're crazy.
But the BBC guys did quite a bitof filming me preaching and all
that.
So what happened was on NewYear's Day, 1973, they put out a
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documentary in which I was apart of that documentary about
what had happened in 1972.
So I knew about it.
But years and years later myrelative of ours was working for
the BBC and he found thatfootage.
So I have a little clip of mepreaching, because I used to say
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to people I did that and it'ssort of like oh yeah, sure, but
that was actually photographicevidence of me preaching there
um and singing right there inthe center of Belfast during the
trouble.
So yeah, that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
so do you actually have a video of yourself?
Yeah, something you can sharewith us?
Yeah, I could share that withyou.
We could put that in the shownotes.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I think it would encourage somebody, especially
maybe the younger generation,that I feel like many are being
sent, but there's hesitation.
Yeah no, I can, I'll send thoseto you later.
It's just a short clip, butit's.
It's very inspirational for mewhen I see my passion and
boldness in those days.
But I've been told that Ihaven't changed.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah Well, I was going to say it doesn't sound
like you've changed Um and ineach place that you've um, you
know, stepped your foot in likeI would love to hear you know.
Place that you've um, you know,stepped your foot in like I
would love to hear you know.
As time went on, obviously youyou started different ministries
and and did you know new things.
What would you say would belike the most um bold step that
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you've taken that you know,maybe to others was like what
are you thinking, I mean youknow, maybe to others was like
what are you thinking?
I mean, you know what I'msaying.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, I would say probably the most.
There's two countries that werethe most bold.
One was in Sri Lanka.
I was one of the first Westernwomen to go into the eastern
part of Sri Lanka that wascontrolled by the Tamil Tiger
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group and that was verydangerous and you know they had
girls that had been abducted aschildren and trained to be
suicide bombers.
And at one of the meetingsthere was about 1,000 women who
came.
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These women were formerly Hinduwomen who gave their hearts to
Jesus, very, very traumatizedbecause of all that had happened
to their families, their sons,their husbands.
But in this meeting one daythere were a group of about six
of these Tamil tiger girlssitting in the meeting and I
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didn't know why they were there.
I didn't know if they werethere to blow us up, because
they have done that.
I didn't know if they werethere to spy on us.
I didn't know why they werethere.
But the Lord said to me at theend of the message.
He said I want you to inviteevery single woman to come
forward and I want you to hugthem.
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And that was a thousand women,and I'm telling you, 1,000 women
.
I had my friend with me fromKenya, because I take
cross-country teams, friend withme from Kenya because I take
cross-country teams.
She and I embraced every singlewoman and you know they just
were hungry for the love of Godand as we hugged them, you know
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they were just pulling from us.
But these six Tamil tiger girls, I doubt if they had ever had
an embrace in their life.
And to be able to be, to throwmy arms around them and just let
them know that Jesus loved themwas a huge blessing and
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breakthrough.
And to just feel them melt inmy arms was incredible, so that
that those trips, that was ahuge, those were huge trips.
And then Pakistan, um, preachingin front of tens of thousands
of people and having armedguards surrounding uh, me as I
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preached, uh, and my team, youknow, standing guard with
threats from Al Qaeda and allthat.
Those are both big things.
But we saw, you know, we sawthousands of people come to
Christ, give their lives toJesus, and so it was well worth
it.
And I always feel, I alwaysfeel this protective covering
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over me.
I've been confronted withpeople trying to kill me.
I've had things happen, youknow, fights going on around me,
people threatening to kill me,but I've never felt worried or
alarmed.
I've just felt protected.
I thought you touch me and Godwill slay you dead.
That's how I feel.
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Say that again, but that'sreally true.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Somebody needs to hear that again and embrace that
.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, if they touch me they will die.
God will take them out, period.
And I know it.
And we even had a story of oneof our meetings was disrupted by
a group of Buddhists, buddhistyoung men, and so they were
there and they, you know, I waspreaching, and they came, a
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whole group of them, like 15 orso, jumped up and they
surrounded me and my, my,interpreter, and then they were,
you know, terrorizing the crowdand they were freaking out and
everything's going crazy.
But they were around me andthey wanted to hurt me but they
could not move.
They were like stationary, theycouldn't move and finally they
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just all ran away, no-transcript.
And it actually ended up beingtwo things that happened the
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policeman, the police chief, waspersecuting the Christians and
my husband and I had prayed Lord, please remove him from this
village, because it was a policeLand Rover and they had nobody
confessed.
That police chief was moved outof that village and the guy
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that was behind it, he died.
And the church grewexponentially because they knew
that this god was a living godso that's happened.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
You know things like that oh man, so you said you
just always felt protected.
I'm just curious because I knowpeople in general.
They would potentially walkinto some of these scenarios
with a lot of fear.
So what would you say to peoplewho are being called into?
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You know, I just keep hearingand seeing even license plates
that say risk, because I feellike this walk is not, we're not
called to do safe things.
But I feel that, you know,maybe the and I'm not bashing
the church, but it's not likewe're being encouraged to do
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unsafe things.
At least that's what I'm seeing.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Oh, and you know, god has not given us a spirit of
fear, but of power, love and asound mind.
So you know, if, as the Lordopens up opportunities, which
many have come to me, I don't, Idon't feel, I don't feel
foolish, I don't think theapostle Paul was foolish walking
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into the circumstances hewalked into.
He was led by God.
And when you are led by the HolySpirit and you know that you're
being led by the Holy Spiritand you walk into those
circumstances, then you knowthat you are being protected.
Some people are foolish andwhat happens is they, you know.
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They come on out of thecovering and that's when things
happen.
That and other people.
Things happen to them, but allthings work together for good to
them that love God and arecalled according to his purposes
, because we are called to laydown our lives for him.
But I would say to people thatwe need to listen to the Holy
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Spirit and we obey God ratherthan men.
So that requires risk andwithout faith it's impossible to
please God.
And after 56 years of servinghim, of serving him, you know, I
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just feel every single thing wedo is by faith.
But I think, you know, there'stoo much fear.
People are afraid, they'reafraid of all kinds of things,
but you have to put fear behindyou and believe.
If he's called you, then youbelieve, you're walking in by
faith into the situation.
But I do say to people you know, don't put yourself at risk,
because one way that you putyourself at risk is when you
come under, out of the coveringof God.
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You know you're doing thingsthat are foolish, you are in sin
, you are doing things throughpride or whatever it is that
happens.
You can't, it's, it's all backto you.
So you know we need to alwaysplace ourselves in the hands of
God, walking with him where hewants us to go and doing what he
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wants us to do.
And, frankly, more peopleprobably get injured and hurt by
not obeying God, by staying athome and doing nothing, then
going out into the field andserving him and trusting him.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Amen.
Well, and being a woman, youknow one of the things that you
mentioned when you stepped inyoung woman, right, very
different than the norm, right?
What would you say?
You know, just even in our timenow, of you know there's a band
.
You know a band, you know, likea band of people that would say
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, oh well, you know, womenshouldn't be preaching.
What do you, what would you sayto that Like?
I feel like we should go therebecause yeah, then they're wrong
.
We go there.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, we can go there , Says in Acts, chapter two,
verse 17,.
In the last days and mostpeople would agree with me we're
in the last days, because thelast days began on the day of
Pentecost In the last days, Iwill pour my spirit out on all
people.
Your sons and your daughtersshall prophesy, even on your
servants and your maidservants.
I will pour out my spirit andthey will prophesy.
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So that is found in the prophetJoel and also Peter preaching
that on the day of Pentecost, soat the birth and the inception
of the church, men and womenwere supposed to be partnering
together, bringing the good newsto the world, the world.
And what has happened is that,through a couple of verses that
Paul brings out, probably to dowith individual people that were
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in the congregation, they'vedecided to make a big, huge,
whole, big.
You know?
Apology about it, right, yeah,and it's not true.
And, frankly, they're not goingto stop me because I'm not
going to lose my crown.
Let no man take your crown.
I'm not going to lose my crownbecause you're telling me I
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cannot preach the gospel, and uh, so therefore, I mean I
actually became a Christian in achurch that didn't believe
women could the gospel.
But too bad, I did it anyway,saw that people got saved
because all these young peoplestarted coming into church
because of my witness.
So you know, what are theygoing to say?
Well, we don't want you to sayanything?
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Of course not, and so I thinkthey were glad to lay hands on
me and send me out, because thatyou know that helped them.
But the truth of the matter isthat's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous, definitely inthis day and age, that women
should be to remain silent, andwhat has happened is that
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they've had to take theirgiftings into the world because
their giftings are not welcomein some churches.
That's very sad, but God isusing these women where he is
placing them and using thempowerfully, which brings me to
what I'm doing now, in 2025.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Well, tell us a little bit about what you
launched several years ago.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yes, I was still traveling a lot, working a lot,
too, in this country withimmigrant people, particularly
Muslim women.
You know wanting to help themmeet Jesus and you know getting
to know them better, because youneed to know who you're talking
to when you're sharing yourfaith.
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So I spent a lot of time herein this country with the
immigrant population because Ibelieve that God has brought
them here to meet Jesus.
But if we are reluctant to talkto them, then what happens is
that the whole purpose for thembeing there is lost.
So I encourage people to reallybefriend those that come from
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other lands, particularly thosewho are Christians, because we
can be their advocates, we cangive them a platform and they
can work with us side by side toreach those that God has
brought here from othercountries, and they can work
with us side by side to reachthose that God has brought here
from other countries.
But in 2019, january of 2019,it was my 65th birthday was
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coming up, and I always seek theLord because you know he gives
me a birthday present.
And I thought well, lord, youknow what is it this year?
And I turned on the televisionand, to my horror, a couple of
the elected officials here inMichigan who are female were the
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coarsest, nastiest, meanest,ugliest, and they're in through
what they were portraying womenthat I'd ever seen I thought, oh
my goodness, they don't reflectmy values, they don't reflect
the values of my Muslim friends,they don't reflect Christian
values at all.
I don't think they reflect mostof the values of the women that
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I know.
What are we going to do aboutthis?
And I got on my knees and hesaid to me it's time for
Christian women to rise up andhave a voice here in Michigan
it's where I'm at.
It then became it's now becomeglobal.
But at that point in Michiganand he began to give me a
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strategy that he wantedChristian women to be honored,
because honor brings validation,which brings courage, and he
wanted us to honor one another.
But not only that, but hewanted to honor them and not
only that, he wanted thegovernment to honor them.
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So these same sort of coarsekind of women would be forced in
a way to honor Christian women.
And the way that would happenand how that transpired was I
went to see my staterepresentative who was a
Christian woman and we only had,to my knowledge, one Christian
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woman who was serving in theMichigan House of
Representatives, one Christianwoman who was serving in the
Michigan House ofRepresentatives, and I went to
her and I shared with her myidea and she said she would
support us and we would call itshe Leads Michigan.
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So we had.
I had no idea who we would honorbecause I wasn't working in
Michigan, I was traveling allthe time, but the Lord began to
show me, one by one, the womenhe wanted to honor, and we call
it the Holy Spirit whispering inour ear.
You know, like that person,that person and somebody would
give me a name.
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I would talk to them and I'dsay you know, the Michigan, the
state of Michigan, wants tohonor you for your
accomplishments as a Christianwoman in this state.
And we were having an afternoontea and it happened to be in
Lansing, our capital, and we'dlove you to come to that and
they would say, oh, thank you.
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Oh, that, what an honor.
Yes, I would say, is thereanybody else that you would like
you feel should be honored fortheir accomplishments?
Christian women in leadership,across all sectors of society.
And they would say, immediatelya name would come into their
mind and then I would contactthem and the next and the next.
So we had, you know, women ingovernment, women in business,
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women in education, you knowwomen in social action,
community service, in Christianministry, and we were honoring,
media entertainment, honoringthese women.
Our first gathering, 100 womencame and they were honored and
so blessed to meet other womenwho were in the same field as
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they and they didn't know eachother.
Well, that began a sisterhoodand it became so powerful and
such a blessing to each one ofus that I assembled an advisory
team and it's multi-ethnic, it'sall different spiritual
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backgrounds.
All of us love Jesus and followhim.
And we started having thisadvisory team praying together
every week and the Lord began totell us that he wanted to take
this to the whole of the UnitedStates.
So his strategy, in hisstrategy, we started in
Washington DC and he indicatedthat he wanted to honor 10
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Christian women.
We call them Christian women ofdistinction in the United
States of America and he beganto name them off to me.
You know women like JohnnyErickson Tada, who is well known
for her advocacy for thedisabled.
Bodie Taney, a very famousauthor.
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She has 75 historical novels.
And the most awarded Christianauthor in America, shirley
Dobson, and other women likethat the head of the National
Day of Prayer, kathy Branzell,the head of Concerned Women for
America, penny Nance, the headof Faith and Liberty, peggy
Knee-Neighbor these are women.
I did not know at all.
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But the.
Lord introduced me to each oneand, as a result, congresswoman
Lisa McClain.
She was just a freshman at thattime in Congress.
She became our legislativepartner in Washington DC, and
she then would honor them andenter their names into the
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congressional record.
And this is a high honor.
And so we had our first gala atthe Museum of the Bible, and
now we are into our I believe,fifth year in the Museum of the
Bible for our annual gala.
And then these women who haveabsolute faith they keep saying
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to me we've got to go to othercountries now, not just America,
because we've now launchedabout.
By the end of this year we'llhave about 20 states that have
she Leads chapters.
And then they started saying weneed to go globally.
And then so we just launchedshe Leads United Kingdom and she
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Leads Pakistan last year, andthat's been another amazing
journey.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yes, oh my gosh.
So he gave you this birthdaypresent when you were 65.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yes, he refired me, not retired me.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I was literally just going to say that that's what I
tell.
You know, a lot of times youknow people, especially in this
country I'm not sure how it isin other countries but people
are like, oh, I can't wait tillI'm 65 and I'm just going to
retire.
And I'm, you know, you know I'mready for that day.
And I just really feel likewe're not called to retire,
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we're called to refire.
And especially at that time,like I've met and been so
blessed to come along, so manywomen in their sixties,
seventies and even eighties whoare like, refiring they're not
done, we're not, they're notdone yet.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
They're not done, we're not.
They enthusiasm and their faith, and that's the whole thing.
You know it's the Lord issaying until the breath is gone
from your body.
You have a responsibility.
We've been using this versethis year 1 Peter 2.9.
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You are a chosen generation andI say to these women you are
leaders of a chosen generation.
We are a royal priesthood.
We are privileged, regardlessof our age.
We are privileged to be able tostand in the presence of the
King of Kings and Lord of Lordsin his throne room and worship
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him and petition him and ask himfor things, and he hears us,
and that to be a holy nation.
We are in a kingdom that is notconstrained by the constraints
of our nations.
We obey God rather than men.
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Our king is King Jesus.
He's the one that opens andshuts doors for us.
We're not reliant, not relianton the things of this world.
My husband and I, most of ourlife we've been living as we've
called, by faith, praying, andpeople are led to send us gifts
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and help us, or the Lord justopens up doors of opportunity
that would not be opened by anyamount of money or influence,
because we've chosen to trusthim on this journey and we've
been married now 53 years.
Congratulations on this journey.
And we've been married now 53years.
Congratulations.
Yeah, thank you, but it's, it'sso, that's how we should live.
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Yeah, some people say that tous.
Oh, you're just, you know,extreme, or you're?
No, this is normal.
Yeah, christian life we'rewalking is normal him obeying
him in whatever role he has us,whatever field that he has us in
, and um, so we're just blessedand honored to be able to walk
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with him through difficulties,through danger and through
prosperity and blessing.
You know it's just wonderful tobe with Jesus.
Yes, I love you know it's justwonderful to be with Jesus.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yes, I love you know just even the name.
She Leads you definitely.
Somebody prophesied over meyears ago that I am like a
Mordecai, helping to raise upwomen.
I'm like, oh, that'sinteresting, but I definitely
speak that over you.
You just your example to youknow step out and I like to say,
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like, release your sound,release your roar.
Has there ever been like, couldyou share an example maybe of a
woman that's been, you know,called in to, you know called in
to step out, that you're ableto come alongside and just see a
radical transformation in heras she stepped out?
Because obviously you are acatalyst to help people do that
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thing right.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot.
I mean.
I would say there are a lot.
I mean there are manypoliticians that we've been able
to come to, come alongside andI've seen them just blossom in
the Lord and um.
We have other friends, likeRiley Gaines.
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She's a part of she Leads.
It's been a blessing to see herblossom and bloom and and carry
herself with such dignityamongst attacks, and you know
you name it, so she would be ayoung person.
We have other people that we'vejust been able to encourage
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them in their journey, becauseit's been a hard journey, and we
have one group of women westarted she Leads, native
America.
Those women in all of myjourneys, the women that pulled
the most on my heartstrings,have been the indigenous women
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of the United States or of theAmericas.
And you know they've faced somuch hardship and have not had a
voice and I have been soblessed to see, as we have come
alongside them and encouragedthem and loved them and been
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able to walk alongside them tosee them emerge to be a powerful
voice and a powerful advocatefor the marginalized.
And I would say that that groupof women, I've seen them
absolutely emerge and betransformed to be full of
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dignity, grace and having avoice of wisdom and
encouragement, and I'm believingGod is going to use them even
in a greater way with the daysto come, with the days to come,
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and that you know.
So there's been individuals andthen there's been groups, but
everyone I would say everyonethat the Lord has brought into
the she Leads movement, has beendeeply impacted by the Holy
Spirit through the other women.
I have grown so much in myprayer life with the women that
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the Lord has partnered me with.
These are women that aregrounded.
They're women that are workingin the marketplace, who are
upfront with what's reallyhappening in society and are
facing real issues, who know howto get a hold of God.
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And this isn't just sitting inyour Bible study and having a
few little prayers and gettingyour head full of information.
This is people that are livingit out.
And those women have been sucha blessing to me and such
strength to me personally, andI've just been loving being able
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to bring them together, to havethe opportunity to raise other
women up, to help lead them them.
I can't even believe I've neverbeen in a group like this.
There's no competition.
There's no about that.
We're just advocate.
It's an advocacy group.
We just love each other and andwe're rooting for each other
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and and thrilled when somethinggreat happens to somebody else.
There's not this any, any ofthis.
Well, why didn't it happen tome?
We feel that when somebody isblessed, we're being blessed
because we're so close in theLord.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Wow, it's incredible.
Look at, look at what happens.
You know, just through a yes.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Look at what happens you know, just through a yes,
correct.
It's amazing and I just keepsaying yes because I don't even
think about what it means.
I just say yes because I trusthim.
If he says, do it, I'm going todo it.
But you know, john 15, 16, theLord has really been laying on
my heart recently as well, andit's something that I think all
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of us, as believers, need totake to heart.
You know, we want our prayersanswered and he says you know,
in John chapter 15 and verse 16,you did not choose me, but I
chose you and appointed you sothat you might go and bear fruit
, fruit that will last, and sothat whatever you ask in my name
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, the Father will give you.
This is my command Love eachother.
So he's chosen us, he'sappointed us, he sent us out and
he said to bear good fruit,eternal fruit, and I believe
that's winning people to Christ.
It also is encouraging oneanother to keep going and then
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he says if you love one another,basically I'll give you
whatever you ask.
And recently we just got backfrom Windsor Castle where we
launched she Leads UK.
We launched it last year.
Through a series of miraclestruly miracles the Lord placed
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us in Windsor Castle.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Okay, Well, tell us about these miracles.
This is I want to hear.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Okay.
Well, what happened is myhusband took me to Windsor for
our 50th wedding anniversary,just to relive our time.
You know, in England we hadn'treally been there before.
So we thought, well, let's gothere, it's a beautiful place.
And it was the time for theirmorning prayers in St George's
Chapel.
So he and I went in there andas I was sitting there, there
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was only the canon and hisassistant and then four of us
and we were there to worship theLord and we were sitting up in
the choir area where the royalfamily would sit, and it's just
beautiful.
I'm looking at this beautifulcathedral-type edifice and I
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certainly wasn't expecting theLord to speak to me.
I just, you know, here we are,the vicar's going to read, and
then, you know, we're going toread the prayers.
You know that's how it works.
Well, I'm sitting there and asI'm sitting there, looking
around me, the Lord said I'mgoing to bring revival here.
I thought here, that's what Ithought here, and then the Bible
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reading for the day.
The canon began to read it andit was Genesis, chapter 28, and
it was the story of Jacob'sladder.
And next to me, just acrossfrom where we were sitting,
across the way, the Queen ofEngland, queen Elizabeth, is
buried.
Okay, that's where she's buried, that's her, she's there and
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she's buried there.
And everybody comes there tosee.
You know her gravestone.
Well, she's sitting there.
And he starts reading this, andhe said that Jacob had a dream
in which he saw a stairwayresting on the earth, with its
top reaching to heaven, and theangels of God were ascending and
descending on it, and thereabove it stood the Lord and he
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said I'm the Lord, the God ofyour father Abraham and the God
of Isaac, and I will give youyour descendants.
The land on which you are lying, descendants will be like the
dust of the earth and you willspread out to the west, to the
east, to the north and the south.
All peoples on earth will beblessed through you and your
offspring.
When he read that, I heard himspeaking to Queen Elizabeth.
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She was a believer and I'm sureshe prayed day and night for
her family that they would knowJesus, that they would embrace
the Lord.
And as I heard it, I just heardhim say that her children, her
offspring, whoever that may be,would be a blessing to the earth
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.
So I thought, oh my goodness me.
And then he said he said thento me the next verse and I am
with you, will watch over youwherever you go, and I will
bring you back to this land.
I will not leave you until Ihave done what I have promised
you.
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And Jacob awoke and he thoughtus do.
And Jacob awoke and he thoughtsurely the Lord is in this place
and I was not aware of it.
I mean, that's exactly me.
Okay, I'm like wow.
So then I thought the Lordbrought to mind that he wanted
me to begin to pray for herRoyal Highness Sophie, the
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Duchess of Edinburgh, who is theQueen's youngest son, prince
Edward's wife.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
Just to start praying for her.
And I started praying for KingCharles because he has cancer.
I started praying for PrincessKate because of her cancer
diagnosis.
You know, we just, and then Ibrought that to the ladies and
we just started really prayingfor the royal family.
Well, meanwhile we go to thenext room for communion.
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And then there was another.
The passage of that day was apassage.
It was Isaiah 49, 6, which Iwill make you a light to the
nations, which is actually theverse that the Lord gave my
husband and I for our lifemission, verse that we would be
a light to the nation.
So I mean, he and I are like,the Lord is in this place, he is
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speaking to us.
So then the canon was there andI had heard about St George's
house, which is a place inWindsor Castle where they hold
consultations you know, it's byinvitation about issues of the
day.
So I went to this canon and Isaid, excuse me, sir, but could
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bring a delegation from theUnited States here to me with
our, a delegation from the UK ofwomen of like-mindedness.
And he said I think that's awonderful idea, right away,
right away, right away.
Oh, wow.
So he said.
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I said well, what do I do?
He said, well, just send anemail to this address.
And he gave me a card and I didand within an hour the
gentleman called me.
Oh my gosh.
Well, he is the manager of itand he's also from Northern
Ireland, where my husband isfrom.
So immediately we just got onwith him and through another
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series of miracles well, I'lltell you what happened is that
we had to have tickets to getinto the castle to go and see
this fellow, and the day beforewe had gone to the castle.
So we actually had tickets thatwere still we could still use,
but we were with friends who didnot have tickets that we could
still use, but we were withfriends who did not have tickets
.
So it was a bit awkward.
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And as I was talking to thisgentleman on the phone, I looked
over and I saw my husbandtalking to a soldier and the
soldier was from my husband'sregiment.
My husband was in the Army fornine years the British army
before he met me, and I saw that.
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And then I saw my two friendswere talking to another female
soldier and they were gettingsomething from her.
So I walked over and it wastickets for the castle that they
had and for the time, becausethey're time tickets and we
needed tickets for noon and theywere tickets for noon that this
lady had given to my friendsand they were going to give them
away.
I said, don't give them away.
We need to go into the castleand turn to that lady and I said
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to her are you, do you know thelord jesus as your Lord and
Savior?
And she threw her arms up andshe said Amen, hallelujah, yes,
I do.
And she was a British Army inthe British Army, from the West
Indies.
Oh, wow, she knew Jesus and shewas led by the Lord to give my
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friends those tickets.
So we went and we had themeeting we scheduled our first
she Leads UK Windsorconsultation, which we had last
year, and then this year theyallowed us to come back for our
second.
And we had an afternoon teawhere we honored 15 Christian
women of distinction and anothergroup of Christian leaders
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there in the country.
And who was our special guest?
But Her Royal HighnessDuchessess.
Sophie, the Duchess of Edinburghoh my goodness that's a miracle
.
I just want to know.
So many miracles, one afteranother.
The Lord's hand is in this,because he, because he loves
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people, and if we get into hisit's like we're in a river of
his love.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
That's what I was saying.
It was like getting in the flow, like literally, like laying on
your back and not strivingRight yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
It's a lot of work because you got to plan things
and this and that, but the door,you have people right.
You have people who help you,right?
Yeah, well, a few.
Yes, well, now we, she leads ukand they have a great group,
the lord to me, to the exactright person to lead that, and
that's what's happened.
I mean, it's this is literallya work of the lord period.
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Nobody knows me, nobodyremembers me, nobody has a clue.
It's not about a person at all.
It is about jesus and him andum, because it's called, she
leads, but we're leading youbecause we're following jesus.
That's the way it works, yes, sonow the next thing is yeah,
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we're going to be going into DCfor our fifth gala and we're so
excited because this year webelieve that we've come into a
position where the church, ifthey decide to step into their
role, we're occupying the land.
Occupying the land, occupyingthe land.
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You know, we were outsidefighting these battles and
skirmishes, but now the Lord hassaid you know, you have been
sufficiently trained to now cometogether to bring the love of
God into our land.
Okay, we're not trying to takeover, takeover.
We're trying to introduce Jesus, who brings freedom and love
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and harmony and, you know, forthe best for our families, the
best for our kids, the best foreverybody.
So he's opening these doors ofopportunity.
And in Washington DC we'rehaving, when we go in, we're
going to be having a meeting forall of our state leaders in the
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actual US Capitol building andthen we're going to be having a
meeting we call it the Women onthe Hill Appreciation Breakfast,
where we invite Congresswomenand senators, female senators,
to come because we want to thankthem for their service to our
nation, because they have a veryhard job, and so we bring them
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in and we honor them.
And then our 10 Christian Womenof Distinction.
They are then honored at thatevent by Congresswoman Lisa
McClain.
And then we have we're going tohave in the, and that's in the
Rayburn building, and then inthe Cannon building we're having
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a reception for all theChristian women of distinction
and then and we believe thatwe'll be having a White House
briefing as well while we'rethere.
So it's interesting because thelord is, each year he's added
another geographical place thatwe're welcomed into um in
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washington dc it's so incredible.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
So I mean, if you kind of look at this, did you
ever think that over the yearswould you say it's kind of like
more of like a governmental?
You know, like the sevenmountains of influence it's?
Speaker 2 (56:29):
actually impacting all of them.
It's the governmental mountainGod is using to honor and
validate all of the othersectors of society where these
women are located, so which Ilove, because it all happened
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during an administration thatwould not necessarily be that
welcoming of women that we arebringing in.
We are unashamedly pro-life,from the womb to the tomb and
beyond.
We believe in the dignity ofwomen, that God created women
and that God created men.
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We believe that marriage isbetween a man and a woman.
We believe in biblical values,and there are people that don't
stand by that.
So therefore they would.
But you know, it's interestingbecause he's even made our
so-called and I put it inparentheses our enemies our
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friends, because we love ourenemies and we want them to know
Jesus.
Yes, and I believe that the waythat you love your enemies is
you tell them how they canreceive eternal life.
You love them and and that'sthat's the main thing is we want
our lights to shine and andI'll just finish on this, which
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I really love, this past year,as I've already mentioned, when
Peter 2.9, the Lord was, he justmade that.
So you know how things justjump off the page and we have a
retreat.
We have a yearly retreat forthe whole of the movement, and
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we had it this year in CampHoblitzel, where they film the
Chosen.
And that's through theSalvation Army, because the
commissioner, who was thecommissioner at the time she's a
part of the commissioner forthe time, she's a part of the.
The commissioner for the UnitedStates was a part of she leads
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America, and we love thesalvation army and so they, they
.
They opened their doors to us,and so it's like we are a chosen
generation.
And then here we found ourselvesin Windsor castle, the most
beloved castle in the UnitedKingdom.
We are, you know, a royalpriesthood, and then the Lord
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has now placed us right there inWashington DC, in all of these
spaces, because he wants us tobe a holy nation and our kingdom
is above any other kingdom.
It's his kingdom, but he wantsall of the blessings to trickle
down into our environment here,and he's, he's giving us the
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opportunity to bring his love,these women.
We bring compassion, we bringlove, we bring understanding, we
bring the ministry ofreconciliation, we bring common
sense.
And I'll tell you what thedevil and I call this revenge of
Eve or the avenging of Eve youknow that he says soon I will
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crush Satan under your feet.
And right there at the beginning, we see in Genesis 15, he says
you know the whole thing aboutyou will, um uh, crush his head.
He will bruise your heel, crushyour head.
Well, now, what the lord hasdone is he's turning it around
and he's using women to helplead the way.
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And I'm believing that we'renot.
You know, we.
We want to link, lock shields,together with our brothers in
the Lord, also encouraging andstrengthening those who have
been previously marginalized tocome up for their voices to be
heard for Jesus.
And that's what we're seeing.
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And as we move in thatdirection, he continues to bless
us, open doors, strengthen us,help us and love us along the
way.
Wow, liz.
Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
I just could keep listening to your stories.
I just love everything you'veshared today.
I can only imagine how manypeople are being so encouraged,
inspired and just emboldened inthis time as we close.
I do this for the one.
But he showed me that one timesone in the world is one, but in
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the kingdom it's one times oneis exponential.
So if you could just get kindof a picture of somebody who's
listening in today, is thereanything else that you'd want to
just encourage over them?
Any words of wisdom?
And then would you pray us outtoday.
Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Yes, I would love that.
I want to talk to those thatare listening who don't yet know
the Lord.
You're listening today becausethe Lord loves you.
He has you have tuned in.
You're hearing this not bychance.
You are hearing this because heis calling you.
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He's calling you and he'scalling you home.
And you've been struggling.
You've been doing your ownthing, and some of you that are
listening have been verysuccessful, but it has not
brought peace.
It has not filled your soul.
Other people that are listeningare struggling.
Life is hard and I just wantyou to know that the Lord is
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standing by, waiting to help you.
Others are mad at God becausethings happen.
They didn't happen like youwanted them to.
Well, you know what?
If you take things into yourown hands, you're going to make
a mess of it, and the Lord iswaiting.
He's waiting.
He loves you.
He's there waiting.
The Bible says behold, I standat the door and knock, and
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that's how I came to know Christ.
Behold, I stand at the door andknock, and he's if you open the
door to me, I will come in andI will live with you.
I will live in you.
I will have fellowship with you.
This is not religion.
Religion will take you straightto hell.
It is not religion.
This is having a relationshipwith Christ, and when he comes
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into your life, then you want tobe with others who are
like-minded, who've had thatrelationship with him, because
it's family.
You don't have to be aloneanymore.
And then I say to those that doknow Christ is that you have
been called, you're saved bygrace, but you're called to work
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, and he has works and a destinyfor you.
And you might have been sittingthere doing absolutely nothing
up to today.
Well, you have no excuse.
Now the Lord is saying you needto step out and, with all of
the gifts that he has given youif you might have one and you
might have a lot is take thoseand give them to him.
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Give them to Jesus, give it allto Jesus, him, give them to
Jesus, give it all to Jesus, andyou will find that you are
finally, finally in the flow.
And I say that especially toAmerican Christian women.
They are scattered and lost andso many women are in the
workplace.
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You feel like you're alone.
You don't know what to do Today.
I just ask you dedicateeverything to Jesus, surrender
it all to him, and you will beamazed at what he does.
And when he speaks to you, sayyes.
And when he speaks to you inthat still small voice, people
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say to me how do you know it'shim?
Well, if he's telling you to dosomething that is in accordance
to his word, to love thatperson, talk to that person,
witness to that person, do goodto that person, give money to
that person, that is not thedevil talking to you and it's
not your flesh, it's the Lord.
And every time you obey thatyes, then what you'll find is
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you have a strongerunderstanding and you hear his
voice even more clearly, untilyou're walking in the spirit.
So, lord, I thank you for thesewomen and men that are
listening, boys and girls,whoever it may be that are
listening to this podcast today.
And, lord, I would ask, in thename of Jesus, for those who
don't yet know you, that todaywould be their day of salvation.
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I pray right now, in the nameof Jesus, that the power of the
Holy Spirit would come upon them, even as you promised that in
the last days, you would pouryour spirit out on all people,
those that know you and thosethat don't, and then, when your
spirit comes upon us.
He gives us revelation of whoyou are.
You died on the cross.
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You died on the cross, takingour sins.
That if we will repent and turnaway and admit that we have
done wrong, that we have turnedour backs on you, and we ask for
forgiveness, you have promisedthat you would forgive us
Because if we confess our sins,you are faithful and just to
forgive us and cleanse us fromall unrighteousness.
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So I pray now that those thatdon't yet know you would come to
the cross, that, lord, theywould receive your forgiveness.
And I thank you, lord, that yourose again and that you live
today and that you give us thatfree gift of eternal life.
And I pray, lord, that theywould know and receive that.
Even now, I pray for those thatknow you but, lord, they have
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not been walking in your ways orthey have just been strolling
down the path.
I pray now, lord, that, by thepower of the Holy, spirit would
come on them, that, lord, youwould show them that there is
Spirit would come on them.
That, lord, you would show themthat there is more to it than
what they are right nowexperiencing.
That, lord, you have somethingpowerful for them, that there is
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a destiny into which they arecalled.
They have been chosen.
They have been chosen to bringforth everlasting fruit, and I
pray in the name of Jesus thatthey would press in Lord,
surrender to you and begin togive you their yes.
I ask these things in theprecious name of Jesus, amen,
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amen.
Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
You guys feeling that fire.
Praise the Lord.
I'm like, yes, you are refired.
Yeah, praise the Lord, girl.
I'm like, yes, you are re-fired.
Oh, man, it's hard to close up.
I'm like, oh, it's impacting metoo.
I'm going to close with ouranchoring verse over Hope,
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unlocked it's.
May the God of hope fill youwith all joy and peace in
believing, so that, by the powerof the Holy Spirit, you may
abound in hope, and that'sRomans 15, 13.
So, liz, what's the best wayfor listeners to reach out to
you?
Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
They can reach.
They can see what we're doingon sheleadsamericacom Okay, and
they can reach out onsheleadsamerica at gmailcom Okay
, awesome, those are the bestways and we'd love to hear from
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you.
I'd love to hear from you andand hear.
Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Okay, awesome that, and I'll be sure to add the
website and email in the shownotes.
So head to the show notes ifyou need that information.
Again, and Liz, thank you somuch for being a brave voice
who's setting so many free.
So thank you again for being ontoday and I will be back with
another episode next week.
Bye, liz, bye.
Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Thanks for having me.
Thank you.
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast.
I'm your host, kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
I help and empower wildheartedand adventurous women of faith
feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and potential
, break free from limitationsand thrive with confidence,
courage and hope.
If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
newwingscoachingnet and be sureto explore the show notes for
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ways to connect with me further.
Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlockhope together.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy ivy of hope for your soul.
Please help me welcome LizDoyle to the show.
I am so thrilled to hear hervoice and her story today and so
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thankful to our mutual friend,julie Novotsky, which I hope I'm
saying right.
She connected us very recently,so I'm just new to Liz and her
story and I just pray that youknow this episode really impacts
the listeners today.
So, liz, would you be open totelling us a little bit about
yourself before we get into yourstory?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Sure, I love Jesus with my whole heart and I came
to know him when I was 14 yearsold in 1968.
So if you are trying to do themath, I'm 71 years old and I've
been really been activelyserving the Lord since I came to
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Christ, but in the ministry,for 56 years now.
And I'm married to Sid and heand I met in Belfast, northern
Ireland, during the troubles in1972.
And I had just graduated fromhigh school.
And I had just graduated fromhigh school and I, you know, I
was four years old in the Lordand I was seeking his face and
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he said to me that he wanted meto go into that war zone and
preach the gospel and worshipand bring the Prince of Peace
into that nation.
So I got on an airplane Neverbeen on one in my life my
parents hugged me and saidgoodbye to me and that was a
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huge sacrifice to them.
We all came to Christ in 1968.
And we were new believers andwe were on fire for Jesus.
And we were on fire for Jesusand they released me and I got
on the plane with my guitar andflew right into the war zone and
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I was met by an evangelistthere.
So I worked for hisorganization singing in his
meetings, but then from time totime, when there wasn't anything
else on, I would just get on abus and go into the middle of
the city and preach and sing.
And that's where one day, whenI was doing that, I looked out
into the audience and there wasthis good-looking red-haired
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Irishman.
And the Lord spoke to me andsaid you're going to marry him?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
and I just kept preaching, he walked away.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I thought it was my imagination, as I said to the
Lord spoke to me and said you'regoing to marry him.
And I just kept preaching.
He walked away.
I thought it was my imagination.
As I said to the Lord, I'm only18 years old, I'm not, I'm not,
you know, going to get married.
And then he came back later asI had packed up and he found me
and, because the Lord had saidto me that I would marry him, he
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invited me to go to have a cupof coffee.
We talked, I interrogated himto make sure that he was a
follower of Jesus.
And not only was he a followerof Jesus, but he also was in
Bible college studying for theministry, was in Bible college,
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studying for the ministry.
So I knew, yeah, this is theman for me.
So I came back to America andwent to Bible college for a year
and he was already in Biblecollege in Scotland.
And then we got married in 1973, and I went back with him to
Bible college there in Glasgow,scotland, before we began church
planting in the south ofEngland for 25 years.
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So then during that time we hadtwo children and they grew up
in England and they have Englishaccents.
And I'm always saying I don'tthink they ever listened to me a
day in their life.
They have no kind of Americanaccent and they don't have an
Irish accent.
They are both English, and sowe lived there until 1998 when
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we moved to America, where westarted what we call Nations
Light Ministries, and I also hadstarted a movement called
Releasing Daughters of the LastDays and that the Lord had asked
me to do in 1996.
He said I want you to go aroundthe world and empower women,
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train women to reach theirnations for Christ, women to
reach their nations for Christ.
And so that has a wholebackstory in its own right, but
without any name recognition orfunding.
The Lord has sent me throughthat to 60 nations on six
continents, mobilizing hundredsof thousands of women to reach
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their nations with the gospel.
Hundreds of thousands of womento reach their nations with the
gospel.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
So that's what I've been doing, bringing me up to
2019, when the Lord began tospeak to me about my latest
adventure.
Well, tell us more about yourlatest adventure.
I'm going to go back a littlebit.
Actually, let's go back alittle bit.
Okay, how incredible.
Like you, I want to go back.
Your parents released you at 18to send you in.
(06:20):
You know, like the was itIsaiah 6, 8,?
Like send me.
Yeah, Like you were sent here Iam.
How many parents?
How many parents would do that?
How many parents do you knowthat would do that beside your
parents?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I don't know, because I would have trouble doing it
myself, right.
I would have trouble doing itmyself Right.
But what happened was when Ibecame a Christian when I was 14
, I was just going into myfreshman year of high school and
I was so impacted by the crossand what Jesus did for me.
I immediately went to see myfriends.
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I talked to them, I witnessedto them.
They came to Christ.
In my high school I would haveJesus marches through the halls.
I put posters up everywhere,and it helped that my father was
the superintendent of schools.
I said to him, and he alsobecame a Christian around the
same time.
(07:22):
And I said to my dad you know,can I do this?
You know, I want to preach thegospel, I want to pray in school
.
And he said, well, it's yourfirst amendment rights, you can
do whatever you want.
And so, with that in my mind, Idid exactly that.
And so by the time I was 16,and I think that we need to be
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more.
So, by the time I was 16, and Ithink that we need to be more,
one thing we need to be more inthe church is aware of the
maturity of our young people andof the fact that God wants to
raise them up and use them.
So at 16, I was at the earlymorning prayer meetings.
I wasn't at pizza parties, Iwasn't running around wasting my
(08:04):
time.
I mean, we obviously had agreat youth group.
We had a music group.
We used to sing, we used tominister and we had fun together
.
Yeah, we took our faithseriously and, um, I was at the
prayer meeting and the Lordspoke to me that he wanted me to
to go into missions, so thatwhen I was a senior and I was
(08:25):
seeking the Lord about my future, um, the big on the front of
all the newspapers was thisterrible war that was taking
place in Ireland.
And, yeah, so I asked my dad.
He said ask your mom, thinkingthat my mother would say
absolutely not.
My mom was open and I'll tellyou what happened.
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It was a miracle.
What happened?
I was sitting next to her inchurch.
We had a week of meetings,because back in the seventies,
you know, we would have weeks ofmeetings where you just go to
church every single night andworship the Lord and bring your
friends and they came to Christ.
And it was at one of those times.
I was standing there and mymother, who was standing next to
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me, all of a sudden collapsedon the floor and I thought, oh,
what is this?
But you know, she seemed okay.
She was just on the floor.
I didn't know what happened.
She got up at the end of theservice and she didn't say
anything.
The next night, the same thinghappened.
The third night, the same thinghappened and I thought, oh dear
, it's going to be a pattern.
(09:32):
You know, I'm a teenager.
It's like what is my motherdoing, belfast?
And I looked at her.
She said because, as I waslaying on the floor, the Lord
said to me move your littlefinger.
And she said I could not move.
And he said that is the powerthat I am going to have.
(09:54):
I'm releasing on your daughterto protect her.
You let her go and I will lookafter her.
I will protect her.
And so my mom said you can go.
You know that began the wholething Like I really was going.
You know, when you're ateenager, you sort of got these
big ideas and all of a suddenthe Lord really did tell me to
(10:15):
go.
And then I found myself there onthe streets of Belfast
preaching the gospel.
I mean one day, one day, ourvery first date, if you want to
call it that.
Sid and I were walking throughthe city to go visit his sister,
who was a nurse in a hospitalthere, and when we got to the
(10:38):
hospital, which overlooked thecity, all of a sudden we heard
boom, boom.
All of a sudden we heard boom,boom and about 24 bombs went off
around the city where we hadjust been walking.
We could have been caught inthose bombs and several people
were killed.
Many people were injured.
(10:58):
In that day it was called BloodyFriday, but the Lord has always
protected us and that was thebeginning of adventure for us,
because we have subsequentlybeen in many war zones in Sri
Lanka, in Pakistan, um, in othercountries, you know able to
(11:18):
just there to, you know the Fijiduring a coup.
All kinds of places where theLord has taken us and we've been
able to bring the peace ofJesus and the ministry of
reconciliation.
So you know, that's how myparents let us go.
It was a miracle, really, amove of God on my mother's part,
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and she released me and itwasn't easy for her.
I mean, at the airport she'scrying.
She thought, oh dear.
And then, when I got on theplane, I thought well, you know
I'm going to be killed, I, youknow.
It was sort of like those areyour thoughts.
But then I said, lord, you know, if I die I die, and but if I
(12:02):
do die I don't want to die inobscurity, I want it to make a
difference.
So that was my pact with him.
So obviously he's decided I'mgoing to make more of a
difference alive than dead.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
So I'm glad to say that.
That's why we're here yes,you're still here so that your
parents were obviously a hugecatalyst and you taking that big
step because, you know, I thinkback to that time in my life I
was saved when I was 25.
So I don't like there's it'sjust a completely different
paradigm to think of steppinginto that realm like you did
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when you made it over to Ireland.
Who, like, did you have?
I think you mentioned there wassomebody that you were going to
meet up with there Did you havea group that really helped, you
know, help you take these stepsinto this new adventure?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, there was an evangelist there who he was very
bold and brave and he wouldhave tent meetings in all these
cities, so he had been to ourchurch and was sharing about
what he was doing.
And so, while he was there, Iasked him, you know, is there a
way that I could come over thereand, you know, encourage the
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young people?
And so he made that.
He met me at the airport and heput me up in.
He actually had old people'shomes, so I stayed in a room in
one of the old people's homesbut I was, you know, often by
myself preaching, and often bymyself.
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There weren't any other youngpeople.
It wasn't like the day ofmission teams or anything like
that.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Right, yeah.
So you literally kind of gotthrown in and the Lord showed
you each step of the way, likewhat it looked like and how to
cause.
I just imagine you, just thisfearless, wild one over there.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Well, they, they actually.
Um, one day I was in the citycenter and I had been invited by
a group of young people,interestingly enough, to come,
and they had a little groupthere that assembled to, you
know, lift up Jesus.
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And so they asked me to come,and so there's a little
microphone there and I'mpreaching down this microphone,
and the BBC showed up, abc TVshowed up and they were filming
me because it was so unusual tosee an American there for a
start, but an 18 year old girleven more.
And I remember the ABC guysaying well, what brings you
(14:41):
here?
And I said I am here to bringthe Prince of Peace to stop the
war.
You know, he just looked at melike you're crazy.
But the BBC guys did quite a bitof filming me preaching and all
that.
So what happened was on NewYear's Day, 1973, they put out a
(15:03):
documentary in which I was apart of that documentary about
what had happened in 1972.
So I knew about it.
But years and years later myrelative of ours was working for
the BBC and he found thatfootage.
So I have a little clip of mepreaching, because I used to say
(15:23):
to people I did that and it'ssort of like oh yeah, sure, but
that was actually photographicevidence of me preaching there
um and singing right there inthe center of Belfast during the
trouble.
So yeah, that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
so do you actually have a video of yourself?
Yeah, something you can sharewith us?
Yeah, I could share that withyou.
We could put that in the shownotes.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I think it would encourage somebody, especially
maybe the younger generation,that I feel like many are being
sent, but there's hesitation.
Yeah no, I can, I'll send thoseto you later.
It's just a short clip, butit's.
It's very inspirational for mewhen I see my passion and
boldness in those days.
But I've been told that Ihaven't changed.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah Well, I was going to say it doesn't sound
like you've changed Um and ineach place that you've um, you
know, stepped your foot in likeI would love to hear you know.
Place that you've um, you know,stepped your foot in like I
would love to hear you know.
As time went on, obviously youyou started different ministries
and and did you know new things.
What would you say would belike the most um bold step that
(16:38):
you've taken that you know,maybe to others was like what
are you thinking, I mean youknow, maybe to others was like
what are you thinking?
I mean, you know what I'msaying.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, I would say probably the most.
There's two countries that werethe most bold.
One was in Sri Lanka.
I was one of the first Westernwomen to go into the eastern
part of Sri Lanka that wascontrolled by the Tamil Tiger
(17:08):
group and that was verydangerous and you know they had
girls that had been abducted aschildren and trained to be
suicide bombers.
And at one of the meetingsthere was about 1,000 women who
came.
(17:29):
These women were formerly Hinduwomen who gave their hearts to
Jesus, very, very traumatizedbecause of all that had happened
to their families, their sons,their husbands.
But in this meeting one daythere were a group of about six
of these Tamil tiger girlssitting in the meeting and I
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didn't know why they were there.
I didn't know if they werethere to blow us up, because
they have done that.
I didn't know if they werethere to spy on us.
I didn't know why they werethere.
But the Lord said to me at theend of the message.
He said I want you to inviteevery single woman to come
forward and I want you to hugthem.
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And that was a thousand women,and I'm telling you, 1,000 women
.
I had my friend with me fromKenya, because I take
cross-country teams, friend withme from Kenya because I take
cross-country teams.
She and I embraced every singlewoman and you know they just
were hungry for the love of Godand as we hugged them, you know
(18:35):
they were just pulling from us.
But these six Tamil tiger girls, I doubt if they had ever had
an embrace in their life.
And to be able to be, to throwmy arms around them and just let
them know that Jesus loved themwas a huge blessing and
(18:56):
breakthrough.
And to just feel them melt inmy arms was incredible, so that
that those trips, that was ahuge, those were huge trips.
And then Pakistan, um, preachingin front of tens of thousands
of people and having armedguards surrounding uh, me as I
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preached, uh, and my team, youknow, standing guard with
threats from Al Qaeda and allthat.
Those are both big things.
But we saw, you know, we sawthousands of people come to
Christ, give their lives toJesus, and so it was well worth
it.
And I always feel, I alwaysfeel this protective covering
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over me.
I've been confronted withpeople trying to kill me.
I've had things happen, youknow, fights going on around me,
people threatening to kill me,but I've never felt worried or
alarmed.
I've just felt protected.
I thought you touch me and Godwill slay you dead.
That's how I feel.
(20:07):
Say that again, but that'sreally true.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Somebody needs to hear that again and embrace that
.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, if they touch me they will die.
God will take them out, period.
And I know it.
And we even had a story of oneof our meetings was disrupted by
a group of Buddhists, buddhistyoung men, and so they were
there and they, you know, I waspreaching, and they came, a
(20:35):
whole group of them, like 15 orso, jumped up and they
surrounded me and my, my,interpreter, and then they were,
you know, terrorizing the crowdand they were freaking out and
everything's going crazy.
But they were around me andthey wanted to hurt me but they
could not move.
They were like stationary, theycouldn't move and finally they
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just all ran away, no-transcript.
And it actually ended up beingtwo things that happened the
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policeman, the police chief, waspersecuting the Christians and
my husband and I had prayed Lord, please remove him from this
village, because it was a policeLand Rover and they had nobody
confessed.
That police chief was moved outof that village and the guy
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that was behind it, he died.
And the church grewexponentially because they knew
that this god was a living godso that's happened.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
You know things like that oh man, so you said you
just always felt protected.
I'm just curious because I knowpeople in general.
They would potentially walkinto some of these scenarios
with a lot of fear.
So what would you say to peoplewho are being called into?
(22:13):
You know, I just keep hearingand seeing even license plates
that say risk, because I feellike this walk is not, we're not
called to do safe things.
But I feel that, you know,maybe the and I'm not bashing
the church, but it's not likewe're being encouraged to do
(22:36):
unsafe things.
At least that's what I'm seeing.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Oh, and you know, god has not given us a spirit of
fear, but of power, love and asound mind.
So you know, if, as the Lordopens up opportunities, which
many have come to me, I don't, Idon't feel, I don't feel
foolish, I don't think theapostle Paul was foolish walking
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into the circumstances hewalked into.
He was led by God.
And when you are led by the HolySpirit and you know that you're
being led by the Holy Spiritand you walk into those
circumstances, then you knowthat you are being protected.
Some people are foolish andwhat happens is they, you know.
(23:25):
They come on out of thecovering and that's when things
happen.
That and other people.
Things happen to them, but allthings work together for good to
them that love God and arecalled according to his purposes
, because we are called to laydown our lives for him.
But I would say to people thatwe need to listen to the Holy
(23:47):
Spirit and we obey God ratherthan men.
So that requires risk andwithout faith it's impossible to
please God.
And after 56 years of servinghim, of serving him, you know, I
(24:08):
just feel every single thing wedo is by faith.
But I think, you know, there'stoo much fear.
People are afraid, they'reafraid of all kinds of things,
but you have to put fear behindyou and believe.
If he's called you, then youbelieve, you're walking in by
faith into the situation.
But I do say to people you know, don't put yourself at risk,
because one way that you putyourself at risk is when you
come under, out of the coveringof God.
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You know you're doing thingsthat are foolish, you are in sin
, you are doing things throughpride or whatever it is that
happens.
You can't, it's, it's all backto you.
So you know we need to alwaysplace ourselves in the hands of
God, walking with him where hewants us to go and doing what he
(24:49):
wants us to do.
And, frankly, more peopleprobably get injured and hurt by
not obeying God, by staying athome and doing nothing, then
going out into the field andserving him and trusting him.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Amen.
Well, and being a woman, youknow one of the things that you
mentioned when you stepped inyoung woman, right, very
different than the norm, right?
What would you say?
You know, just even in our timenow, of you know there's a band
.
You know a band, you know, likea band of people that would say
(25:24):
, oh well, you know, womenshouldn't be preaching.
What do you, what would you sayto that Like?
I feel like we should go therebecause yeah, then they're wrong
.
We go there.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, we can go there , Says in Acts, chapter two,
verse 17,.
In the last days and mostpeople would agree with me we're
in the last days, because thelast days began on the day of
Pentecost In the last days, Iwill pour my spirit out on all
people.
Your sons and your daughtersshall prophesy, even on your
servants and your maidservants.
I will pour out my spirit andthey will prophesy.
(26:08):
So that is found in the prophetJoel and also Peter preaching
that on the day of Pentecost, soat the birth and the inception
of the church, men and womenwere supposed to be partnering
together, bringing the good newsto the world, the world.
And what has happened is that,through a couple of verses that
Paul brings out, probably to dowith individual people that were
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in the congregation, they'vedecided to make a big, huge,
whole, big.
You know?
Apology about it, right, yeah,and it's not true.
And, frankly, they're not goingto stop me because I'm not
going to lose my crown.
Let no man take your crown.
I'm not going to lose my crownbecause you're telling me I
(26:50):
cannot preach the gospel, and uh, so therefore, I mean I
actually became a Christian in achurch that didn't believe
women could the gospel.
But too bad, I did it anyway,saw that people got saved
because all these young peoplestarted coming into church
because of my witness.
So you know, what are theygoing to say?
Well, we don't want you to sayanything?
(27:11):
Of course not, and so I thinkthey were glad to lay hands on
me and send me out, because thatyou know that helped them.
But the truth of the matter isthat's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous, definitely inthis day and age, that women
should be to remain silent, andwhat has happened is that
(27:34):
they've had to take theirgiftings into the world because
their giftings are not welcomein some churches.
That's very sad, but God isusing these women where he is
placing them and using thempowerfully, which brings me to
what I'm doing now, in 2025.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Well, tell us a little bit about what you
launched several years ago.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yes, I was still traveling a lot, working a lot,
too, in this country withimmigrant people, particularly
Muslim women.
You know wanting to help themmeet Jesus and you know getting
to know them better, because youneed to know who you're talking
to when you're sharing yourfaith.
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So I spent a lot of time herein this country with the
immigrant population because Ibelieve that God has brought
them here to meet Jesus.
But if we are reluctant to talkto them, then what happens is
that the whole purpose for thembeing there is lost.
So I encourage people to reallybefriend those that come from
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other lands, particularly thosewho are Christians, because we
can be their advocates, we cangive them a platform and they
can work with us side by side toreach those that God has
brought here from othercountries, and they can work
with us side by side to reachthose that God has brought here
from other countries.
But in 2019, january of 2019,it was my 65th birthday was
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coming up, and I always seek theLord because you know he gives
me a birthday present.
And I thought well, lord, youknow what is it this year?
And I turned on the televisionand, to my horror, a couple of
the elected officials here inMichigan who are female were the
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coarsest, nastiest, meanest,ugliest, and they're in through
what they were portraying womenthat I'd ever seen I thought, oh
my goodness, they don't reflectmy values, they don't reflect
the values of my Muslim friends,they don't reflect Christian
values at all.
I don't think they reflect mostof the values of the women that
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I know.
What are we going to do aboutthis?
And I got on my knees and hesaid to me it's time for
Christian women to rise up andhave a voice here in Michigan
it's where I'm at.
It then became it's now becomeglobal.
But at that point in Michiganand he began to give me a
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strategy that he wantedChristian women to be honored,
because honor brings validation,which brings courage, and he
wanted us to honor one another.
But not only that, but hewanted to honor them and not
only that, he wanted thegovernment to honor them.
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So these same sort of coarsekind of women would be forced in
a way to honor Christian women.
And the way that would happenand how that transpired was I
went to see my staterepresentative who was a
Christian woman and we only had,to my knowledge, one Christian
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woman who was serving in theMichigan House of
Representatives, one Christianwoman who was serving in the
Michigan House ofRepresentatives, and I went to
her and I shared with her myidea and she said she would
support us and we would call itshe Leads Michigan.
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So we had.
I had no idea who we would honorbecause I wasn't working in
Michigan, I was traveling allthe time, but the Lord began to
show me, one by one, the womenhe wanted to honor, and we call
it the Holy Spirit whispering inour ear.
You know, like that person,that person and somebody would
give me a name.
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I would talk to them and I'dsay you know, the Michigan, the
state of Michigan, wants tohonor you for your
accomplishments as a Christianwoman in this state.
And we were having an afternoontea and it happened to be in
Lansing, our capital, and we'dlove you to come to that and
they would say, oh, thank you.
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Oh, that, what an honor.
Yes, I would say, is thereanybody else that you would like
you feel should be honored fortheir accomplishments?
Christian women in leadership,across all sectors of society.
And they would say, immediatelya name would come into their
mind and then I would contactthem and the next and the next.
So we had, you know, women ingovernment, women in business,
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women in education, you knowwomen in social action,
community service, in Christianministry, and we were honoring,
media entertainment, honoringthese women.
Our first gathering, 100 womencame and they were honored and
so blessed to meet other womenwho were in the same field as
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they and they didn't know eachother.
Well, that began a sisterhoodand it became so powerful and
such a blessing to each one ofus that I assembled an advisory
team and it's multi-ethnic, it'sall different spiritual
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backgrounds.
All of us love Jesus and followhim.
And we started having thisadvisory team praying together
every week and the Lord began totell us that he wanted to take
this to the whole of the UnitedStates.
So his strategy, in hisstrategy, we started in
Washington DC and he indicatedthat he wanted to honor 10
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Christian women.
We call them Christian women ofdistinction in the United
States of America and he beganto name them off to me.
You know women like JohnnyErickson Tada, who is well known
for her advocacy for thedisabled.
Bodie Taney, a very famousauthor.
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She has 75 historical novels.
And the most awarded Christianauthor in America, shirley
Dobson, and other women likethat the head of the National
Day of Prayer, kathy Branzell,the head of Concerned Women for
America, penny Nance, the headof Faith and Liberty, peggy
Knee-Neighbor these are women.
I did not know at all.
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But the.
Lord introduced me to each oneand, as a result, congresswoman
Lisa McClain.
She was just a freshman at thattime in Congress.
She became our legislativepartner in Washington DC, and
she then would honor them andenter their names into the
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congressional record.
And this is a high honor.
And so we had our first gala atthe Museum of the Bible, and
now we are into our I believe,fifth year in the Museum of the
Bible for our annual gala.
And then these women who haveabsolute faith they keep saying
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to me we've got to go to othercountries now, not just America,
because we've now launchedabout.
By the end of this year we'llhave about 20 states that have
she Leads chapters.
And then they started saying weneed to go globally.
And then so we just launchedshe Leads United Kingdom and she
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Leads Pakistan last year, andthat's been another amazing
journey.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yes, oh my gosh.
So he gave you this birthdaypresent when you were 65.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yes, he refired me, not retired me.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I was literally just going to say that that's what I
tell.
You know, a lot of times youknow people, especially in this
country I'm not sure how it isin other countries but people
are like, oh, I can't wait tillI'm 65 and I'm just going to
retire.
And I'm, you know, you know I'mready for that day.
And I just really feel likewe're not called to retire,
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we're called to refire.
And especially at that time,like I've met and been so
blessed to come along, so manywomen in their sixties,
seventies and even eighties whoare like, refiring they're not
done, we're not, they're notdone yet.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
They're not done, we're not.
They enthusiasm and their faith, and that's the whole thing.
You know it's the Lord issaying until the breath is gone
from your body.
You have a responsibility.
We've been using this versethis year 1 Peter 2.9.
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You are a chosen generation andI say to these women you are
leaders of a chosen generation.
We are a royal priesthood.
We are privileged, regardlessof our age.
We are privileged to be able tostand in the presence of the
King of Kings and Lord of Lordsin his throne room and worship
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him and petition him and ask himfor things, and he hears us,
and that to be a holy nation.
We are in a kingdom that is notconstrained by the constraints
of our nations.
We obey God rather than men.
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Our king is King Jesus.
He's the one that opens andshuts doors for us.
We're not reliant, not relianton the things of this world.
My husband and I, most of ourlife we've been living as we've
called, by faith, praying, andpeople are led to send us gifts
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and help us, or the Lord justopens up doors of opportunity
that would not be opened by anyamount of money or influence,
because we've chosen to trusthim on this journey and we've
been married now 53 years.
Congratulations on this journey.
And we've been married now 53years.
Congratulations.
Yeah, thank you, but it's, it'sso, that's how we should live.
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Yeah, some people say that tous.
Oh, you're just, you know,extreme, or you're?
No, this is normal.
Yeah, christian life we'rewalking is normal him obeying
him in whatever role he has us,whatever field that he has us in
, and um, so we're just blessedand honored to be able to walk
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with him through difficulties,through danger and through
prosperity and blessing.
You know it's just wonderful tobe with Jesus.
Yes, I love you know it's justwonderful to be with Jesus.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yes, I love you know just even the name.
She Leads you definitely.
Somebody prophesied over meyears ago that I am like a
Mordecai, helping to raise upwomen.
I'm like, oh, that'sinteresting, but I definitely
speak that over you.
You just your example to youknow step out and I like to say,
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like, release your sound,release your roar.
Has there ever been like, couldyou share an example maybe of a
woman that's been, you know,called in to, you know called in
to step out, that you're ableto come alongside and just see a
radical transformation in heras she stepped out?
Because obviously you are acatalyst to help people do that
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thing right.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot.
I mean.
I would say there are a lot.
I mean there are manypoliticians that we've been able
to come to, come alongside andI've seen them just blossom in
the Lord and um.
We have other friends, likeRiley Gaines.
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She's a part of she Leads.
It's been a blessing to see herblossom and bloom and and carry
herself with such dignityamongst attacks, and you know
you name it, so she would be ayoung person.
We have other people that we'vejust been able to encourage
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them in their journey, becauseit's been a hard journey, and we
have one group of women westarted she Leads, native
America.
Those women in all of myjourneys, the women that pulled
the most on my heartstrings,have been the indigenous women
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of the United States or of theAmericas.
And you know they've faced somuch hardship and have not had a
voice and I have been soblessed to see, as we have come
alongside them and encouragedthem and loved them and been
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able to walk alongside them tosee them emerge to be a powerful
voice and a powerful advocatefor the marginalized.
And I would say that that groupof women, I've seen them
absolutely emerge and betransformed to be full of
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dignity, grace and having avoice of wisdom and
encouragement, and I'm believingGod is going to use them even
in a greater way with the daysto come, with the days to come,
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and that you know.
So there's been individuals andthen there's been groups, but
everyone I would say everyonethat the Lord has brought into
the she Leads movement, has beendeeply impacted by the Holy
Spirit through the other women.
I have grown so much in myprayer life with the women that
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the Lord has partnered me with.
These are women that aregrounded.
They're women that are workingin the marketplace, who are
upfront with what's reallyhappening in society and are
facing real issues, who know howto get a hold of God.
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And this isn't just sitting inyour Bible study and having a
few little prayers and gettingyour head full of information.
This is people that are livingit out.
And those women have been sucha blessing to me and such
strength to me personally, andI've just been loving being able
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to bring them together, to havethe opportunity to raise other
women up, to help lead them them.
I can't even believe I've neverbeen in a group like this.
There's no competition.
There's no about that.
We're just advocate.
It's an advocacy group.
We just love each other and andwe're rooting for each other
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and and thrilled when somethinggreat happens to somebody else.
There's not this any, any ofthis.
Well, why didn't it happen tome?
We feel that when somebody isblessed, we're being blessed
because we're so close in theLord.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Wow, it's incredible.
Look at, look at what happens.
You know, just through a yes.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Look at what happens you know, just through a yes,
correct.
It's amazing and I just keepsaying yes because I don't even
think about what it means.
I just say yes because I trusthim.
If he says, do it, I'm going todo it.
But you know, john 15, 16, theLord has really been laying on
my heart recently as well, andit's something that I think all
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of us, as believers, need totake to heart.
You know, we want our prayersanswered and he says you know,
in John chapter 15 and verse 16,you did not choose me, but I
chose you and appointed you sothat you might go and bear fruit
, fruit that will last, and sothat whatever you ask in my name
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, the Father will give you.
This is my command Love eachother.
So he's chosen us, he'sappointed us, he sent us out and
he said to bear good fruit,eternal fruit, and I believe
that's winning people to Christ.
It also is encouraging oneanother to keep going and then
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he says if you love one another,basically I'll give you
whatever you ask.
And recently we just got backfrom Windsor Castle where we
launched she Leads UK.
We launched it last year.
Through a series of miraclestruly miracles the Lord placed
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us in Windsor Castle.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Okay, Well, tell us about these miracles.
This is I want to hear.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Okay.
Well, what happened is myhusband took me to Windsor for
our 50th wedding anniversary,just to relive our time.
You know, in England we hadn'treally been there before.
So we thought, well, let's gothere, it's a beautiful place.
And it was the time for theirmorning prayers in St George's
Chapel.
So he and I went in there andas I was sitting there, there
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was only the canon and hisassistant and then four of us
and we were there to worship theLord and we were sitting up in
the choir area where the royalfamily would sit, and it's just
beautiful.
I'm looking at this beautifulcathedral-type edifice and I
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certainly wasn't expecting theLord to speak to me.
I just, you know, here we are,the vicar's going to read, and
then, you know, we're going toread the prayers.
You know that's how it works.
Well, I'm sitting there and asI'm sitting there, looking
around me, the Lord said I'mgoing to bring revival here.
I thought here, that's what Ithought here, and then the Bible
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reading for the day.
The canon began to read it andit was Genesis, chapter 28, and
it was the story of Jacob'sladder.
And next to me, just acrossfrom where we were sitting,
across the way, the Queen ofEngland, queen Elizabeth, is
buried.
Okay, that's where she's buried, that's her, she's there and
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she's buried there.
And everybody comes there tosee.
You know her gravestone.
Well, she's sitting there.
And he starts reading this, andhe said that Jacob had a dream
in which he saw a stairwayresting on the earth, with its
top reaching to heaven, and theangels of God were ascending and
descending on it, and thereabove it stood the Lord and he
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said I'm the Lord, the God ofyour father Abraham and the God
of Isaac, and I will give youyour descendants.
The land on which you are lying, descendants will be like the
dust of the earth and you willspread out to the west, to the
east, to the north and the south.
All peoples on earth will beblessed through you and your
offspring.
When he read that, I heard himspeaking to Queen Elizabeth.
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She was a believer and I'm sureshe prayed day and night for
her family that they would knowJesus, that they would embrace
the Lord.
And as I heard it, I just heardhim say that her children, her
offspring, whoever that may be,would be a blessing to the earth
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.
So I thought, oh my goodness me.
And then he said he said thento me the next verse and I am
with you, will watch over youwherever you go, and I will
bring you back to this land.
I will not leave you until Ihave done what I have promised
you.
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And Jacob awoke and he thoughtus do.
And Jacob awoke and he thoughtsurely the Lord is in this place
and I was not aware of it.
I mean, that's exactly me.
Okay, I'm like wow.
So then I thought the Lordbrought to mind that he wanted
me to begin to pray for herRoyal Highness Sophie, the
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Duchess of Edinburgh, who is theQueen's youngest son, prince
Edward's wife.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
Just to start praying for her.
And I started praying for KingCharles because he has cancer.
I started praying for PrincessKate because of her cancer
diagnosis.
You know, we just, and then Ibrought that to the ladies and
we just started really prayingfor the royal family.
Well, meanwhile we go to thenext room for communion.
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And then there was another.
The passage of that day was apassage.
It was Isaiah 49, 6, which Iwill make you a light to the
nations, which is actually theverse that the Lord gave my
husband and I for our lifemission, verse that we would be
a light to the nation.
So I mean, he and I are like,the Lord is in this place, he is
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speaking to us.
So then the canon was there andI had heard about St George's
house, which is a place inWindsor Castle where they hold
consultations you know, it's byinvitation about issues of the
day.
So I went to this canon and Isaid, excuse me, sir, but could
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bring a delegation from theUnited States here to me with
our, a delegation from the UK ofwomen of like-mindedness.
And he said I think that's awonderful idea, right away,
right away, right away.
Oh, wow.
So he said.
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I said well, what do I do?
He said, well, just send anemail to this address.
And he gave me a card and I didand within an hour the
gentleman called me.
Oh my gosh.
Well, he is the manager of itand he's also from Northern
Ireland, where my husband isfrom.
So immediately we just got onwith him and through another
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series of miracles well, I'lltell you what happened is that
we had to have tickets to getinto the castle to go and see
this fellow, and the day beforewe had gone to the castle.
So we actually had tickets thatwere still we could still use,
but we were with friends who didnot have tickets that we could
still use, but we were withfriends who did not have tickets
.
So it was a bit awkward.
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And as I was talking to thisgentleman on the phone, I looked
over and I saw my husbandtalking to a soldier and the
soldier was from my husband'sregiment.
My husband was in the Army fornine years the British army
before he met me, and I saw that.
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And then I saw my two friendswere talking to another female
soldier and they were gettingsomething from her.
So I walked over and it wastickets for the castle that they
had and for the time, becausethey're time tickets and we
needed tickets for noon and theywere tickets for noon that this
lady had given to my friendsand they were going to give them
away.
I said, don't give them away.
We need to go into the castleand turn to that lady and I said
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to her are you, do you know thelord jesus as your Lord and
Savior?
And she threw her arms up andshe said Amen, hallelujah, yes,
I do.
And she was a British Army inthe British Army, from the West
Indies.
Oh, wow, she knew Jesus and shewas led by the Lord to give my
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friends those tickets.
So we went and we had themeeting we scheduled our first
she Leads UK Windsorconsultation, which we had last
year, and then this year theyallowed us to come back for our
second.
And we had an afternoon teawhere we honored 15 Christian
women of distinction and anothergroup of Christian leaders
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there in the country.
And who was our special guest?
But Her Royal HighnessDuchessess.
Sophie, the Duchess of Edinburghoh my goodness that's a miracle
.
I just want to know.
So many miracles, one afteranother.
The Lord's hand is in this,because he, because he loves
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people, and if we get into hisit's like we're in a river of
his love.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
That's what I was saying.
It was like getting in the flow, like literally, like laying on
your back and not strivingRight yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
It's a lot of work because you got to plan things
and this and that, but the door,you have people right.
You have people who help you,right?
Yeah, well, a few.
Yes, well, now we, she leads ukand they have a great group,
the lord to me, to the exactright person to lead that, and
that's what's happened.
I mean, it's this is literallya work of the lord period.
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Nobody knows me, nobodyremembers me, nobody has a clue.
It's not about a person at all.
It is about jesus and him andum, because it's called, she
leads, but we're leading youbecause we're following jesus.
That's the way it works, yes, sonow the next thing is yeah,
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we're going to be going into DCfor our fifth gala and we're so
excited because this year webelieve that we've come into a
position where the church, ifthey decide to step into their
role, we're occupying the land.
Occupying the land, occupyingthe land.
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You know, we were outsidefighting these battles and
skirmishes, but now the Lord hassaid you know, you have been
sufficiently trained to now cometogether to bring the love of
God into our land.
Okay, we're not trying to takeover, takeover.
We're trying to introduce Jesus, who brings freedom and love
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and harmony and, you know, forthe best for our families, the
best for our kids, the best foreverybody.
So he's opening these doors ofopportunity.
And in Washington DC we'rehaving, when we go in, we're
going to be having a meeting forall of our state leaders in the
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actual US Capitol building andthen we're going to be having a
meeting we call it the Women onthe Hill Appreciation Breakfast,
where we invite Congresswomenand senators, female senators,
to come because we want to thankthem for their service to our
nation, because they have a veryhard job, and so we bring them
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in and we honor them.
And then our 10 Christian Womenof Distinction.
They are then honored at thatevent by Congresswoman Lisa
McClain.
And then we have we're going tohave in the, and that's in the
Rayburn building, and then inthe Cannon building we're having
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a reception for all theChristian women of distinction
and then and we believe thatwe'll be having a White House
briefing as well while we'rethere.
So it's interesting because thelord is, each year he's added
another geographical place thatwe're welcomed into um in
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washington dc it's so incredible.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
So I mean, if you kind of look at this, did you
ever think that over the yearswould you say it's kind of like
more of like a governmental?
You know, like the sevenmountains of influence it's?
Speaker 2 (56:29):
actually impacting all of them.
It's the governmental mountainGod is using to honor and
validate all of the othersectors of society where these
women are located, so which Ilove, because it all happened
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during an administration thatwould not necessarily be that
welcoming of women that we arebringing in.
We are unashamedly pro-life,from the womb to the tomb and
beyond.
We believe in the dignity ofwomen, that God created women
and that God created men.
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We believe that marriage isbetween a man and a woman.
We believe in biblical values,and there are people that don't
stand by that.
So therefore they would.
But you know, it's interestingbecause he's even made our
so-called and I put it inparentheses our enemies our
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friends, because we love ourenemies and we want them to know
Jesus.
Yes, and I believe that the waythat you love your enemies is
you tell them how they canreceive eternal life.
You love them and and that'sthat's the main thing is we want
our lights to shine and andI'll just finish on this, which
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I really love, this past year,as I've already mentioned, when
Peter 2.9, the Lord was, he justmade that.
So you know how things justjump off the page and we have a
retreat.
We have a yearly retreat forthe whole of the movement, and
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we had it this year in CampHoblitzel, where they film the
Chosen.
And that's through theSalvation Army, because the
commissioner, who was thecommissioner at the time she's a
part of the commissioner forthe time, she's a part of the.
The commissioner for the UnitedStates was a part of she leads
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America, and we love thesalvation army and so they, they
.
They opened their doors to us,and so it's like we are a chosen
generation.
And then here we found ourselvesin Windsor castle, the most
beloved castle in the UnitedKingdom.
We are, you know, a royalpriesthood, and then the Lord
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has now placed us right there inWashington DC, in all of these
spaces, because he wants us tobe a holy nation and our kingdom
is above any other kingdom.
It's his kingdom, but he wantsall of the blessings to trickle
down into our environment here,and he's, he's giving us the
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opportunity to bring his love,these women.
We bring compassion, we bringlove, we bring understanding, we
bring the ministry ofreconciliation, we bring common
sense.
And I'll tell you what thedevil and I call this revenge of
Eve or the avenging of Eve youknow that he says soon I will
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crush Satan under your feet.
And right there at the beginning, we see in Genesis 15, he says
you know the whole thing aboutyou will, um uh, crush his head.
He will bruise your heel, crushyour head.
Well, now, what the lord hasdone is he's turning it around
and he's using women to helplead the way.
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And I'm believing that we'renot.
You know, we.
We want to link, lock shields,together with our brothers in
the Lord, also encouraging andstrengthening those who have
been previously marginalized tocome up for their voices to be
heard for Jesus.
And that's what we're seeing.
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And as we move in thatdirection, he continues to bless
us, open doors, strengthen us,help us and love us along the
way.
Wow, liz.
Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
I just could keep listening to your stories.
I just love everything you'veshared today.
I can only imagine how manypeople are being so encouraged,
inspired and just emboldened inthis time as we close.
I do this for the one.
But he showed me that one timesone in the world is one, but in
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the kingdom it's one times oneis exponential.
So if you could just get kindof a picture of somebody who's
listening in today, is thereanything else that you'd want to
just encourage over them?
Any words of wisdom?
And then would you pray us outtoday.
Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Yes, I would love that.
I want to talk to those thatare listening who don't yet know
the Lord.
You're listening today becausethe Lord loves you.
He has you have tuned in.
You're hearing this not bychance.
You are hearing this because heis calling you.
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He's calling you and he'scalling you home.
And you've been struggling.
You've been doing your ownthing, and some of you that are
listening have been verysuccessful, but it has not
brought peace.
It has not filled your soul.
Other people that are listeningare struggling.
Life is hard and I just wantyou to know that the Lord is
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standing by, waiting to help you.
Others are mad at God becausethings happen.
They didn't happen like youwanted them to.
Well, you know what?
If you take things into yourown hands, you're going to make
a mess of it, and the Lord iswaiting.
He's waiting.
He loves you.
He's there waiting.
The Bible says behold, I standat the door and knock, and
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that's how I came to know Christ.
Behold, I stand at the door andknock, and he's if you open the
door to me, I will come in andI will live with you.
I will live in you.
I will have fellowship with you.
This is not religion.
Religion will take you straightto hell.
It is not religion.
This is having a relationshipwith Christ, and when he comes
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into your life, then you want tobe with others who are
like-minded, who've had thatrelationship with him, because
it's family.
You don't have to be aloneanymore.
And then I say to those that doknow Christ is that you have
been called, you're saved bygrace, but you're called to work
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, and he has works and a destinyfor you.
And you might have been sittingthere doing absolutely nothing
up to today.
Well, you have no excuse.
Now the Lord is saying you needto step out and, with all of
the gifts that he has given youif you might have one and you
might have a lot is take thoseand give them to him.
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Give them to Jesus, give it allto Jesus, him, give them to
Jesus, give it all to Jesus, andyou will find that you are
finally, finally in the flow.
And I say that especially toAmerican Christian women.
They are scattered and lost andso many women are in the
workplace.
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You feel like you're alone.
You don't know what to do Today.
I just ask you dedicateeverything to Jesus, surrender
it all to him, and you will beamazed at what he does.
And when he speaks to you, sayyes.
And when he speaks to you inthat still small voice, people
(01:04:19):
say to me how do you know it'shim?
Well, if he's telling you to dosomething that is in accordance
to his word, to love thatperson, talk to that person,
witness to that person, do goodto that person, give money to
that person, that is not thedevil talking to you and it's
not your flesh, it's the Lord.
And every time you obey thatyes, then what you'll find is
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you have a strongerunderstanding and you hear his
voice even more clearly, untilyou're walking in the spirit.
So, lord, I thank you for thesewomen and men that are
listening, boys and girls,whoever it may be that are
listening to this podcast today.
And, lord, I would ask, in thename of Jesus, for those who
don't yet know you, that todaywould be their day of salvation.
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I pray right now, in the nameof Jesus, that the power of the
Holy Spirit would come upon them, even as you promised that in
the last days, you would pouryour spirit out on all people,
those that know you and thosethat don't, and then, when your
spirit comes upon us.
He gives us revelation of whoyou are.
You died on the cross.
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You died on the cross, takingour sins.
That if we will repent and turnaway and admit that we have
done wrong, that we have turnedour backs on you, and we ask for
forgiveness, you have promisedthat you would forgive us
Because if we confess our sins,you are faithful and just to
forgive us and cleanse us fromall unrighteousness.
(01:05:46):
So I pray now that those thatdon't yet know you would come to
the cross, that, lord, theywould receive your forgiveness.
And I thank you, lord, that yourose again and that you live
today and that you give us thatfree gift of eternal life.
And I pray, lord, that theywould know and receive that.
Even now, I pray for those thatknow you but, lord, they have
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not been walking in your ways orthey have just been strolling
down the path.
I pray now, lord, that, by thepower of the Holy, spirit would
come on them, that, lord, youwould show them that there is
Spirit would come on them.
That, lord, you would show themthat there is more to it than
what they are right nowexperiencing.
That, lord, you have somethingpowerful for them, that there is
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a destiny into which they arecalled.
They have been chosen.
They have been chosen to bringforth everlasting fruit, and I
pray in the name of Jesus thatthey would press in Lord,
surrender to you and begin togive you their yes.
I ask these things in theprecious name of Jesus, amen,
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amen.
Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
You guys feeling that fire.
Praise the Lord.
I'm like, yes, you are refired.
Yeah, praise the Lord, girl.
I'm like, yes, you are re-fired.
Oh, man, it's hard to close up.
I'm like, oh, it's impacting metoo.
I'm going to close with ouranchoring verse over Hope,
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unlocked it's.
May the God of hope fill youwith all joy and peace in
believing, so that, by the powerof the Holy Spirit, you may
abound in hope, and that'sRomans 15, 13.
So, liz, what's the best wayfor listeners to reach out to
you?
Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
They can reach.
They can see what we're doingon sheleadsamericacom Okay, and
they can reach out onsheleadsamerica at gmailcom Okay
, awesome, those are the bestways and we'd love to hear from
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you.
I'd love to hear from you andand hear.
Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Okay, awesome that, and I'll be sure to add the
website and email in the shownotes.
So head to the show notes ifyou need that information.
Again, and Liz, thank you somuch for being a brave voice
who's setting so many free.
So thank you again for being ontoday and I will be back with
another episode next week.
Bye, liz, bye.
Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Thanks for having me.
Thank you.
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