December 15, 2025 • 43 mins
Transformation starts with belief. In this episode, Wendy Backlund shares how renewing the mind reshapes identity, calling, emotions, and spiritual authority. We discuss hidden beliefs about worth, breaking performance Christianity, and daily practices that make change stick—declarations, movement, and music. A powerful conversation to help you walk in confidence, peace, and the truth of who God designed you to be.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:16):
Welcome to the Hope Unlock Podcast.
I'm your host, Kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
I help and empower wild-heartedand adventurous women of faith
feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and
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If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
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(00:38):
ways to connect with me further.
Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlock hopetogether.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me welcome WendyBeckland to the show.
I am thrilled to have her heretoday.
(01:00):
I know that she is going to haveso much to share with you all
about hope and about identity.
And I just can't wait to hearmore of her story because she's
just been somebody that I'vereally looked up to and I really
want to be like Wendy when Igrow up.
So, Wendy, before we getstarted, would you just share a
little bit about yourself?
SPEAKER_00 (01:19):
Sure.
Um, I got saved as a hippie backin the 70s.
Um and I got radically saved,but my whole life ended up just,
you know, being in performance,it from a relationship to
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performing for God, which Ididn't do very well, which
caused some um emotional issuesand depression and feeling like
I never measured up.
And finally, I I read some booksabout um declarations and that
let me put it this way (02:02):
my husband and I, the church we
were going to when we got saved,we were very big on um
sacrifice, you know, Romans12:1, giving it a living
sacrifice acceptable to God.
And so it was all aboutsacrificing our time,
sacrificing our money, whateverwas, you know, it was always a
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sacrifice.
And um what really set me freewas he began to talk to us about
Romans 12, too, where it says,be transformed by the renewing
of your mind.
And he just began to deal withus that we don't get our lives
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are not transformed throughsacrifice.
Sacrifice is good, but it's nottransformational.
And he began to talk to us aboutif you really want to see a
change in your life, you have tochange what you believe.
Yes, yes.
That I cannot tell you how mylife changed with just this one
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simple truth.
And it was like if you want adifferent emotion, if you want a
different circumstance, you haveto have a different belief
system because the belief systemthat got you where you are won't
get you out.
Yeah.
So anytime we want to evenupgrade in our life, whether
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it's emotionally or in ourcircumstance, we have to go
after a belief system that'stying us to the circumstance
we're in.
SPEAKER_01 (03:42):
Yes.
Well, tell me about maybe acircumstance that you felt like
kind of stuck in at some pointand you had to really get it
after and get over, right?
I like to say get over it.
SPEAKER_00 (03:53):
Right.
Well, there's so many.
Um, I think I'll take one that'ssimple to understand.
We started really going afterbelieving the promises of God
because for a long time asChristians, we just had a
theology of God's goodness, atheology of God's provision, but
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we didn't really have faith forit.
And so we we realized that wehad a spirit of poverty on us
because we could never get aheadfinancially.
You know, it was always justliving from paycheck to
paycheck.
Um, and we would get blessed,and then something would break
down and it would eat up thewhole blessing that we just
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received.
Right.
And so I decided, okay, God, I'mgonna go after this.
And so I started making thesedeclarations that we were
blessed, that we had more thanenough for every good work.
And making these declarations,and nothing was changing.
And so finally I'm like, okay,God, I'm doing a declaration,
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but the belief system isn'tworking.
And he said, The problem is, isyou're only able to receive what
you think you're worth.
And he said, It's no longer aspirit of poverty right now.
The problem is, is I'm trying tobless you, but you sabotage the
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blessing because you're alwaystrying to live at the level that
you value yourself at.
SPEAKER_03 (05:30):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (05:31):
And so I had to change my belief system that I
was actually worthy to beblessed above where I was.
SPEAKER_03 (05:39):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (05:40):
And even, you know, Steve and I have gone from
different measures of blessings,and sometimes he'll warn me and
he'll say, Wendy, I'm about tobless you financially above what
you think you're worth again.
And it he'll say, You need towork on your identity again.
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And it's not just finances, itwas favor.
Okay, it was jobs, it was sointense about what we believe
about ourselves.
It's God's trying to get theblessing to us, but we have a um
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in the unseen realm, it's likewe were asking for something but
holding it back at the sametime.
Wow.
Because we're asking forsomething that we don't think
we're worth worthy to receive.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (06:36):
So what did it, I mean, what did it look like for
you?
How long, you know, tangiblysomebody might be like, okay,
well, how how long did it takeyou to really get this in you to
the point where it, you know, Ibefore we got started, I asked
you a question about somethingelse that I want to um talk
about later.
But how long did it take you toreally get that in from the head
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to the heart, right?
Because there's a difference.
SPEAKER_00 (06:59):
Oh, yeah.
I mean, that's the whole thingis God told me that you'll know
you believe something if it'schanged your emotions.
If your belief system hasn'tchanged your emotions, you don't
believe it yet.
And so that's how we measure ourhow much we believe what God
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says.
SPEAKER_03 (07:22):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (07:23):
That's not for condemnation, it's just so we
know, okay, I still haven't gotit from intellectual to heart
knowledge yet.
And so, like I said, it's aprocess and it's I think the
first breakthrough came early inthe 1990s when he began to talk
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to me about my my hopelessnessabout my identity and who I was.
I just I decided, okay, I'mgonna test this out.
I am going to radically shift mybelief system about who and what
I think I am.
So probably for I don't know,anywhere from nine to 12 months,
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I wrote down declarations onthree by five cards.
I recorded them on a taperecorder to music because if you
if you're doing and I listenedto it at night, I would go to
sleep with earbuds in, listeningto myself tell me who I was in
Christ and that I was worthybecause of the blood of Jesus
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and that God wanted to bless me.
You know, I just had all thesedeclarations, and I, you know,
this may be too muchinformation, but I actually had
declarations and I put them nextto the toilet in my bathroom.
Yes.
Every time I went to thebathroom, I said those
declarations.
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I wasn't allowed to get up untilI had gone through the list.
Well, talk about the royalthrone.
Yes, exactly.
I mean, we have to put it wherewe'll see it all the time.
SPEAKER_03 (09:03):
Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:04):
And the more we say it and the more emotion you use
in your voice when you say it,the quicker you'll start to
believe it.
Yes.
I did some studies on the brainto figure out how, because this
is all it is, is our brain is acomputer that needs a new
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download.
And so I looked up how do youchange what your brain thinks is
true?
Okay.
And so number one wasrepetition.
Number two was using emotionwhen you say it.
SPEAKER_03 (09:41):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (09:42):
And if you use like a shake your fist in the air or
stomp your foot, if you involveyour body in the declaration, it
will also quicken your abilityto believe it.
SPEAKER_01 (09:54):
I did not know that.
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (09:56):
Yeah.
And then music is another thingthat will actually, if you it's
like music is a gatekeeper.
That's why a lot of worshipsongs have declarations in them
or scripture.
Because when we're in that mode,it does something to the
brainwave when you're listeningto music.
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It's like it shuts down thegatekeeper that's trying to keep
that truth from penetrating.
So true.
Yes.
So that's why worship, one ofthe reasons is it's not just to
worship him, but hearing worshipsongs or songs that declare who
you are helps change what youbelieve.
SPEAKER_03 (10:38):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (10:39):
Do you have somebody might be wondering, and and I'm
wondering because I'm always I'ma very curious, I'm a woman of
wonder.
So what is your favorite songthat maybe you've had on repeat
lately or even years ago thatreally helped to um just settle
this in your heart?
SPEAKER_00 (10:57):
Yeah, well, I think some one of it not so much
anymore, but um Lauren Daigold'sum You said Oh yes, yes, that's
a good one.
Yeah, so any song like that, umI'll even use songs like from um
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from the movie um uh what's thewhat's the movie with Olaf and
um um I'm I don't know whatyou're talking about.
Frozen, yes, yes.
So in Frozen 2, there's somesongs in there that you know
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she's hearing that voice callingher into a place that she's
never been.
Yeah, it's guiding her.
I use that to keep me in thatplace of God.
I want more, I want to see theunseen, I want to know your
realm.
Yes, you know, so that inspiresme.
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It's not stuff that I listen toas much.
We just need to find a song tothat inspires us into what we we
know we're called to, or what isthe lie that we need to break
off?
Find a song and listen to itbefore every every um time of
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prayer so that you're gettingyourself, you know, in the right
frame of mind.
SPEAKER_01 (12:28):
Um that's so good.
I love how you mentioned to, youknow, somebody might be like,
Well, Frozen 2, that's notthat's not a Christian movie.
It's like, no, no, no, no.
He can speak through any movie.
He, I mean, he speaks to, Idon't know about you, but I he
speaks to me through pretty muchevery movie.
I I know.
Do you have do you have afavorite movie that he's spoken
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to you through?
SPEAKER_00 (12:52):
Um, probably The Matrix has had the most lasting
okay.
SPEAKER_01 (12:58):
Yeah, that's a good one.
It's it's it's definitely a goodone to open your eyes, right?
SPEAKER_00 (13:44):
Wow, because I I really feel like the average
person in this world is totallyunaware that there's a whole
nother realm.
You know, they're stuck intobelieving what they've always
been told is true.
And you know, I I like to tellpeople that if the Bible hasn't
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changed your view of reality,you're not reading it correctly.
Yeah.
The Bible is God's attempt toshow us a whole new reality
that's that can be accessed asborn-again spirits.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (14:23):
Yes.
What does it look like for you?
Um, because I don't know aboutyou.
We're there's many of us rightnow who are walking, at least
for me, I feel like a lot of mylife looks just very wild to
people and crazy.
And I know that you guys havewalked through I call it the
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wildlife, right?
Um, what does that look like foryou guys to, you know, people in
the Bible?
Look at Jesus.
Like everything was socounter-culture, and the steps
they took, the moves they made,like didn't make sense on paper,
right?
So how how have you like whenyou first started stepping into
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this?
Because when did you get saved?
What age were you at?
SPEAKER_00 (15:12):
We got saved in 1975.
Okay, so you were a young age?
SPEAKER_01 (15:18):
Yes, 18 and 19.
18 and 19, wow.
Okay, so you had life beforeyou.
You had some life before yousaid you were hippie, and I had
some life before me as well.
And to come into a wholedifferent realm of reality as a
believer, it takes, at least forme, it took some time to come
into this place of like, oh,there's actually more than what
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I'm being taught here, right?
We talked a little bit aboutthat in the beginning.
How did you start to come intothis place of like there is
more?
There is the supernatural.
What did that look like for youguys?
Or did it happen like, you know,pretty quickly after you got
saved?
SPEAKER_00 (16:00):
No, it it was probably 15 years after we got
saved.
Because we we were like most theaverage Christian for the first
15 years.
You're just doing your best,trying to please God, trying to
love him and do what you know todo.
And um it just it was justreally difficult for me because
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I I'm it was like I was tryingto act like something I didn't
believe I was.
And what happened was he beganto talk to me about um but the
fact that I cannot perform myway into um a place with him to
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earn healing or to earnprovision or whatever it was,
and he began to talk to me aboutthe spirit realm and that most
Christians they get born againof the spirit, and then they're
told to stay out of the spiritrealm.
Yes, yeah, and we're the onlyones with legal access, you
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know, the Satanists, the newagers, the um all of those
groups, they're in the spiritrealm illegally, and then
they're making us afraid to useit.
And I had this encounter withGod where I got up in the middle
of the night to pray and I wasjust waiting on God, and he
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would referred me to thescripture where Jesus had died,
and the disciples were in thatlocked room, and then Jesus just
appeared.
And I'm sitting there waiting,and I hear in my in my head
Jesus go, Wendy, do you know howI got into the locked room?
And I'm like, Well, you weredead, so you were ghost-like, so
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you could walk through walls,you know, because in all the
movies that I've seen before Iwas saved, ghosts they have no
substance, right?
They can walk through things,and he said, No, I'm more real
than the wall.
And as I was trying to figureout what he was saying, he said,
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Wendy, the creator cannot haveless substance than the
creation.
And something happened in me,and I realized, oh, this spirit
realm actually has moresubstance than this natural
realm.
unknown (18:34):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (18:35):
Because everything was made by the spirit, and so
it has to have more substance.
And it really helped me to havemore faith in God because up to
that point, God was had nosubstance, and the things of the
spirit had no substance.
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And in fact, my spirit had nosubstance.
I didn't need, I was not evenliving from my spirit, I was
living as a human.
And I wasn't realizing that Ihave to take care of my spirit,
I have to listen to my spiritman, because my spirit man,
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according to Ephesians 2, isalready seated in heavenly
places.
Therefore, it knows everythingabout heaven and earth.
But if I'm not listening, and ifI'm trying to hear God with my
natural ear rather than spiritto spirit, I'm gonna miss a lot
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of what God's trying to do.
Yes, yes, so it to me it was allabout building up my spirit man,
and and I had to learn how todifferentiate when I was living
from my spirit as a spirit andwhen I was living as a human and
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doing things from my ownstrength, my own human strength.
Yes, yes, but I practice being aspirit.
I try to train my brain.
What does it feel like when myspirit man is the most um I
don't know how to put it,substantial part of who I am.
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Yeah.
And I when people, if they'venever done this before, what I
like to say is think back to themost wonderful time of worship
or the greatest prayer time youEver had.
Remember what it felt like whensomething rose up inside of you?
And it was like, Yeah, I cantake the demons of hell.
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I believe, I know something roseup.
That was your spirit, man,coming into preeminence.
Yes.
Amen.
Practice that state of being.
SPEAKER_01 (20:58):
What do you do?
I mean, are you in that state ofbeing?
Do you feel it every day?
Because I know as I've likegrown into this journey, I I
feel like I'm just constantly inawe and wonder.
Like I don't know how to benormal.
Quote unquote.
unknown (21:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:18):
It well, it's something that I'm at least part
of the day every day becausewhenever I have devotions and
when I'm praying, I don't liketo pray until I know I'm praying
as a spirit.
Because my spirit knows how topray, but my mind doesn't.
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So the key is is recognizingwhen I've stepped out of the
spirit and I'm functioning justas a human and bringing my
awareness back.
I like to be self-aware ofwhat's driving me, my mind or my
spirit.
SPEAKER_03 (21:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (22:00):
And so I practice bringing myself back into the
spirit, whether it's just amoment of you know, praying in
the spirit or just remindingmyself how real God is, and that
my real self is powerful and aspirit being that has authority
to shift atmospheres, to walkinto a room, you know, and you
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said you were a feeler, right?
Oh, yes.
The thing that I love aboutfeelers, because it it doesn't
sound like a fun thing when youwalk into a room and you feel
you know the spirits ofperversion or anger or
depression, and they used toinfluence me all the time.
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So my emotions were up and down.
SPEAKER_03 (22:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (22:48):
But once I realized that oh, if if a spirit or
somebody carrying a spirit caninfluence me, then how much more
can the spirit of God in meinfluence them?
Yes.
Because light is more powerfulthan darkness, and so it it
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increased my ability to believeI can walk into a store and
instead of feeling, you know,all the chaos or whatever's
going on, I now have this beliefsystem that ah, but light's more
powerful than darkness.
I bring peace when I walk intothe store.
Yes.
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And so it's become fun to knowthat what I carry is greater
than what's in the world.
SPEAKER_01 (23:37):
Yes.
Well, and how long, like howlong was it before you knew that
you were a feeler?
Because I know just even growingup, I've always been a feeler,
but I didn't know I was afeeler.
So I would come under other, youknow, I'd be around somebody,
and all of a sudden I was like,why why do I feel like I want to
commit suicide?
You know, even as a young kid.
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And it wasn't until within thelast five years that I even knew
that I was a feeler.
And I'm 48 as of a couple daysago.
So that's a long time to go.
And and then to just know, like,okay, this is not me.
To ask the question, is this me?
Right.
Do you do that as well?
SPEAKER_00 (24:19):
Yeah, I don't have to as much now just because I'm
so used to being more aware ofwhat I carry than what is out
there.
But I I really believe a lot ofpeople who are afraid to go out,
they don't like to be in crowds.
They're usually feelers.
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And even a people who sufferwith a lot of depression, a lot
of them are also feelers andthey don't know what to do with
it, and they don't even know whythey're depressed or why this
they feel overwhelmed.
And the key is to actually beginto develop an inner life that is
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bigger than what the world isexpressing.
SPEAKER_01 (25:06):
Yes, that's huge.
SPEAKER_00 (25:07):
But it takes time, and you have to do it in your
private time.
Like for me, the process wentthis way.
I used to go to um to prayer atnight after I put my kids to
bed, and I would be, you know,overwhelmed or depressed.
And I would just kind of prayfrom that state of being.
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And God said, Okay, Wendy, youcan't shift your.
We were pastors at the time, andI was like trying to shift the
atmosphere of our town.
And he said, You can't shift thetown's atmosphere until you can
shift your own.
No, that's a word.
Yeah.
Say that again.
Yeah, you can't shift the town'satmosphere until you can shift
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your own.
Did you guys hear that?
What he did was he said, beaware, okay.
What are you feeling?
Depressed, overwhelmed,frustrated, put on worship music
that is the exact opposite.
Yeah.
And dance before the Lord, shoutbefore the Lord, make
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declarations until you shiftyour atmosphere and you feel on
top again.
Yes.
And then I used to do that.
We would we lived next to thechurch back in the day.
And so I would go to the churchand pray, and I was shifting my
atmosphere, and it was gettingreally good.
And then somebody heard I wasgoing to the church at night and
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praying, and they said, Can Ijoin you?
And I'm like, Oh, sure, youknow.
But what I didn't know was thatGod set me up because she came
in with her atmosphere.
SPEAKER_02 (26:45):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (26:46):
And it was like, I would try to counsel her out of
it.
And I'm like, God, can Idisinvite her?
Because I can't pray.
SPEAKER_03 (26:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (26:54):
What she's carrying is blocking me.
And he said, No, I want you tostop trying to counsel her.
And I want you to shift heratmosphere just by your presence
in your belief system.
unknown (27:09):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (27:10):
So whatever I would feel she came into the room
with, I would do it.
I put on the opposite of inmusic, and I would dance and I'd
sing until whatever was over herbroke.
SPEAKER_01 (27:23):
Yes.
And so then was it quick too?
SPEAKER_00 (27:27):
Well, at first it was slow going, but probably
after three, three, four nights,yeah, it got easier and easier
and easier.
Yeah.
Probably depending on how deepshe was into whatever she was
carrying.
And then he enlarged it.
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I would walk into church.
And I used to have, you know,I'd be feeling what's going on
in the church.
And it would be like, oh,there's such a spirit of
heaviness.
We can't break through inworship.
And God said, okay, now you'regoing to build a muscle to shift
an even greater atmosphere.
Wow.
Caused by a group of people.
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So it's just like liftingweights.
We we try to shift whole, youknow, a whole store before we
even know how to do our own.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:20):
I'm I I mean, I've been there.
I I actually bought a book backin 2020.
It was like territorial spirits.
And the Lord's like, no, no,this is not.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (28:35):
Not right now.
It's building a muscle and itit's a spiritual muscle, but
it's also a belief systemmuscle.
Because we have to change whatwe believe about ourselves and
how powerful we are and what weare.
If we're trying to shift anatmosphere as a human, humans
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can't shift atmospheres, onlyspirits can.
And so it's important to first,you know, connect spirit to
spirit with God and become one.
Like I practice being light.
Part of my devotion time isokay, God is light, I'm light,
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we're one.
And I will just picture what myspirit man looks like as light.
And I don't know, this mighthelp somebody.
You know, when we think aboutthe angelic in the demonic
realm, we think, or most peopletend to think that angels and
demons see us as humans, but ifwe're born again of the spirit,
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they actually our spirit hasmore substance than our body to
does to them.
Wow.
They see our spirit man firstand then the body because they
live in a spirit realm and theysee the weakness or the strength
of our spirit.
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So the more we practice beingaware of our spirit, the greater
power and authority we carry inthe spirit realm.
SPEAKER_01 (30:14):
Yes, that's so good.
You I think you just unlockedsomething for somebody, and even
me.
Like it's something for me toeven remember, right?
Yeah.
We can forget.
We can forget these things.
Um, you know, I I do want tomake sure that we talk a little
bit about uh your voice.
Because you are a powerhouse,and I don't know, I'm sure
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people have said this to youbefore.
Um, but you have so much wisdomthat is shared.
You have these nuggets, they'relike power drops.
Um, but there was a time whenmaybe you had kind of some
hesitation with your voice.
And I would love for you to justtalk a little bit about that
because in my world, I talk toquite a few women who've just
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really struggled with theirvoice, whether it's releasing a
song or releasing a book orreleasing maybe they want to
they're being led to start apodcast or get on a stage.
There's there's a lot of womenthat are really challenged in
stepping forward in that realm.
Would you be willing to share alittle bit about your story?
SPEAKER_00 (31:20):
Oh, for sure.
Um it's there were so manylevels to it.
I think first was I thought Iwas shy.
I thought that's just who I am.
And so I struggled speaking.
I would get around, you know, agroup of people, and I couldn't
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think of anything to say.
It was like my mind would goblank.
There was so much warfare.
And I think the first thing thatGod did was I started getting
prophetic words that I was ateacher.
And I remember rejecting itbecause it was like, well, that
involves public speaking.
I can't even speak one-on-one.
(32:05):
Right.
Right.
And he began to tell me about myfuture, that I was to be a
speaker and an author, and thatmy voice was powerful.
And so I'm like trying to tellhim no, I don't speak well in
front of people, I'm shy.
(32:26):
Right.
And this is what he said.
He said, Wendy, that's not whoyou are, that's just who you've
become.
And he said, There's a bigdifference between what you've
become and what you are.
We tend to get our identity fromwhat we've done or haven't done.
And this was when he used thewhole apple thing.
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He said, Is an apple, what is anapple tree if it's never had
apples?
It's like, well, it's still anapple tree, whether it's
experienced birthing apples ornot, because the apple tree gets
its identity from what it wascreated to do, not from what
it's done.
And he said, We have to startgetting our identity not from
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what we've done, but from whatwe're created to do.
SPEAKER_01 (33:19):
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (33:20):
And so if you're created to be a speaker, if
you're created to be an author,if you're created to have
influence, then we have to beginto define ourselves by it.
SPEAKER_01 (33:32):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (33:33):
You know, we have to.
I he told me when I startedgetting prophetic words about
writing, I started saying, Iwrite books, you know, and that
was one of my declarations, andnothing happened for sure way
too many years.
And I'm how many years?
SPEAKER_01 (33:49):
How many can you share?
SPEAKER_00 (33:50):
Five.
Five years, I declared I was awriter.
Okay.
And he's when I went to himfinally and said, It's still not
working, I can't write up right.
Yeah, he said, I need you tochange your declaration.
And I'm like, Okay, I wasn'tfull of faith at this point.
But I want you to declare thatyou're an author, not a that you
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write books.
And I remember thinking, but inthe dictionary, an author is
someone who's already writtenbooks, isn't that lying?
And he said, no, because it'snot lying to call an apple tree
an apple tree before it's hadapples, is it?
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Boom.
Yeah.
So it was like, okay, I'm anauthor.
And he went so far as to say, ifyou never write a book when you
die in heaven, you'll still beknown as an author.
unknown (34:46):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (34:47):
Because it was what you were created to do.
Yeah, so profound.
Yeah, it's not about yourexperience.
We can't allow experience todefine us.
And when you come into agreementwith what you were created to do
and to be, even withrighteousness, so you will not
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be able to fulfill therighteousness that's within you
until you come into agreementthat you were created for
righteousness.
Because if you try to do whatyou don't think you are, you're
you're gonna you're opposingyourself.
And God never requires us to dosomething we're not.
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That's the key.
Yeah, because the only reason hecan require us to be righteous,
the only reason he can requireus to heal the sick and raise
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the dead is because we aresupernatural.
The reason he tells us to dothose things is because he's
trying to tell us who we are,not what to do.
SPEAKER_01 (36:08):
It's it's the being, yeah, the doing, right?
The the doing comes out of thebeing.
SPEAKER_00 (36:15):
Yeah, and it and otherwise we're our brain will
will always sort short circuitus into doing what we think we
are.
You know, even being aChristian, I a lot of times I I
would ask God, why is it that somany people get radically saved
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and then they just fall away?
And he said, it's becausethey're trying to act like a
Christian, but they don'tbelieve that they are something
different.
So they're trying to do whatthey don't believe they are.
And it's called acting.
Yeah, yeah.
We have to get out of actingmode and actually believe we are
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something.
And that so many things I wastrying to get rid of in my life,
old habits that were sodifficult, they just fell away
when I started believingsomething different about
myself.
So good.
SPEAKER_01 (37:17):
Well, Wendy, I know you have to run.
Um, I want to make sure that Ihonor your time.
Um, could you just share alittle bit, just a little nugget
about your book, VictoriousEmotions?
Because I know that that wouldbe something potentially for the
listeners to tap into eventoday.
Oh, sure.
SPEAKER_00 (37:34):
Yeah, I wrote that book.
Is that your first book?
No, it's my second book.
Your second.
Okay.
Just because I was in bondage tomy emotions for so many years.
I mean, I actually would wake upevery morning thinking, how do I
feel today?
And I would think about this isthe process.
I would think about what I hadto do that day.
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If it was a lot, I would feeloverwhelmed.
Oh, yeah, it's gonna be a busyday.
I feel overwhelmed.
And I would feel overwhelmedbefore I even got through half
the day.
Wow.
Or depressed or intimidated, youknow, whatever it was.
And God said, That's the wrongquestion.
First question every day shouldbe, what do I believe today?
SPEAKER_01 (38:22):
What do I believe today?
SPEAKER_00 (38:23):
Yeah, that's that's always should be our first
thing.
Don't ask how you feel in themorning, ask what do you
believe?
Oh yeah.
Everywhere I go, revival gofollows me.
Oh yeah, I am the blessed, I amthe the head and not the tail.
Use scripture to define your daybefore even get started.
(38:46):
But anyway, the book is just umsteps for rewiring the brain to
believe what God says.
SPEAKER_03 (38:55):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (38:56):
Well, I'll link it in the show notes for sure, and
then I'll also link your otherbook, your first book, baby,
because that's a very importantbook, baby.
Yeah, the first book was Livingfrom the Unseen.
Yeah.
And that was your first one thattook you to be the developed
apple tree.
Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (39:15):
Living from the unseen actually was the hope
bringer because I had beentrying to be a Christian as a
human.
SPEAKER_01 (39:23):
So good.
Well, you guys check it out.
I'll I'll link it in the shownotes.
Um, I do like to end the showwith if you could just get in
mind um somebody who's listeningin today.
Do you have any other um wordsof knowledge or words of wisdom
that you'd like to speak overthis um woman or man who's
listening in?
And then would you pray us outtoday?
SPEAKER_00 (39:44):
Sure.
Yeah, I I think the biggestthing I'm sensing is that
somebody is being set free bythe concept about changing what
they believe about themselves.
And I I this is what I'm sensingis that people have been telling
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you things about yourself, butyou've been rejecting what they
say because you think you knowyou, and God's been trying to
speak through that person totell you who you really are.
They are not that mistaken aboutthe things that they're telling
you that you can do.
You can do it because it's whatyou were created to do.
(40:31):
So, Father, I thank you thatlives are radically being
shifted.
Transformed.
We just speak to every spiritualChristian here that your spirit
is alive and well.
I call it forth to rise upwithin you, to begin to make the
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shift of the atmosphere thatyour that your spiritual muscle
is being increased right now inJesus' name.
Who you are is beginning to justum rise up in you.
(41:13):
Rise up, rise up, arise andshine, arise and shine, arise
and shine.
I bind up the lies that havebeen making you small and making
you think you need to be smalland to have false humility.
I come against that spirit inJesus' name and I loose the
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voices of those who have beenbound by the enemy who has
gagged their mouth and made themchoke on the things that need to
be spoken.
I release your voice in Jesus'name.
I release the hope and the joythat God has been bringing to
you.
And I speak to your worthiness.
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You are worthy because of whatChrist has done for you and in
you.
In Jesus' mighty name.
Amen.
SPEAKER_01 (42:06):
Amen.
Thank you, Wendy.
I'm sure people are going towant to get a hold of you.
What is the best way that peoplecan reach you?
And I'll throw that in the shownotes as well.
SPEAKER_00 (42:16):
Yes, the ignitinghope.com.
Okay.
Or um Facebook igniting hope.
You'll find everything.
SPEAKER_01 (42:26):
Do you have any special events coming up soon?
SPEAKER_00 (42:30):
I you know, I did not write any of that down and
we just moved.
So my hands are you're justsettling.
SPEAKER_01 (42:37):
You're getting settled.
I love it.
Well, I'm gonna close with theanchoring verse.
It's may the God of hope fillyou with all joy and peace in
believing, so that by the powerof the Holy Spirit you may
abound in hope.
I just love that word, abound inhope.
Romans 15, 13.
So I will be back with anotherepisode next week.
Thank you so much, Wendy, forbeing on.
(42:58):
Would love to have you backanother time.
You have so much more to share,I'm sure.
So thank you again.
Bye bye.
Bye.
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Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlock hopetogether.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me welcome WendyBeckland to the show.
I am thrilled to have her heretoday.
(01:00):
I know that she is going to haveso much to share with you all
about hope and about identity.
And I just can't wait to hearmore of her story because she's
just been somebody that I'vereally looked up to and I really
want to be like Wendy when Igrow up.
So, Wendy, before we getstarted, would you just share a
little bit about yourself?
SPEAKER_00 (01:19):
Sure.
Um, I got saved as a hippie backin the 70s.
Um and I got radically saved,but my whole life ended up just,
you know, being in performance,it from a relationship to
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performing for God, which Ididn't do very well, which
caused some um emotional issuesand depression and feeling like
I never measured up.
And finally, I I read some booksabout um declarations and that
let me put it this way (02:02):
my husband and I, the church we
were going to when we got saved,we were very big on um
sacrifice, you know, Romans12:1, giving it a living
sacrifice acceptable to God.
And so it was all aboutsacrificing our time,
sacrificing our money, whateverwas, you know, it was always a
(02:26):
sacrifice.
And um what really set me freewas he began to talk to us about
Romans 12, too, where it says,be transformed by the renewing
of your mind.
And he just began to deal withus that we don't get our lives
(02:47):
are not transformed throughsacrifice.
Sacrifice is good, but it's nottransformational.
And he began to talk to us aboutif you really want to see a
change in your life, you have tochange what you believe.
Yes, yes.
That I cannot tell you how mylife changed with just this one
(03:10):
simple truth.
And it was like if you want adifferent emotion, if you want a
different circumstance, you haveto have a different belief
system because the belief systemthat got you where you are won't
get you out.
Yeah.
So anytime we want to evenupgrade in our life, whether
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it's emotionally or in ourcircumstance, we have to go
after a belief system that'stying us to the circumstance
we're in.
SPEAKER_01 (03:42):
Yes.
Well, tell me about maybe acircumstance that you felt like
kind of stuck in at some pointand you had to really get it
after and get over, right?
I like to say get over it.
SPEAKER_00 (03:53):
Right.
Well, there's so many.
Um, I think I'll take one that'ssimple to understand.
We started really going afterbelieving the promises of God
because for a long time asChristians, we just had a
theology of God's goodness, atheology of God's provision, but
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we didn't really have faith forit.
And so we we realized that wehad a spirit of poverty on us
because we could never get aheadfinancially.
You know, it was always justliving from paycheck to
paycheck.
Um, and we would get blessed,and then something would break
down and it would eat up thewhole blessing that we just
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received.
Right.
And so I decided, okay, God, I'mgonna go after this.
And so I started making thesedeclarations that we were
blessed, that we had more thanenough for every good work.
And making these declarations,and nothing was changing.
And so finally I'm like, okay,God, I'm doing a declaration,
(05:01):
but the belief system isn'tworking.
And he said, The problem is, isyou're only able to receive what
you think you're worth.
And he said, It's no longer aspirit of poverty right now.
The problem is, is I'm trying tobless you, but you sabotage the
(05:24):
blessing because you're alwaystrying to live at the level that
you value yourself at.
SPEAKER_03 (05:30):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (05:31):
And so I had to change my belief system that I
was actually worthy to beblessed above where I was.
SPEAKER_03 (05:39):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (05:40):
And even, you know, Steve and I have gone from
different measures of blessings,and sometimes he'll warn me and
he'll say, Wendy, I'm about tobless you financially above what
you think you're worth again.
And it he'll say, You need towork on your identity again.
(06:01):
And it's not just finances, itwas favor.
Okay, it was jobs, it was sointense about what we believe
about ourselves.
It's God's trying to get theblessing to us, but we have a um
(06:21):
in the unseen realm, it's likewe were asking for something but
holding it back at the sametime.
Wow.
Because we're asking forsomething that we don't think
we're worth worthy to receive.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (06:36):
So what did it, I mean, what did it look like for
you?
How long, you know, tangiblysomebody might be like, okay,
well, how how long did it takeyou to really get this in you to
the point where it, you know, Ibefore we got started, I asked
you a question about somethingelse that I want to um talk
about later.
But how long did it take you toreally get that in from the head
(06:56):
to the heart, right?
Because there's a difference.
SPEAKER_00 (06:59):
Oh, yeah.
I mean, that's the whole thingis God told me that you'll know
you believe something if it'schanged your emotions.
If your belief system hasn'tchanged your emotions, you don't
believe it yet.
And so that's how we measure ourhow much we believe what God
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says.
SPEAKER_03 (07:22):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (07:23):
That's not for condemnation, it's just so we
know, okay, I still haven't gotit from intellectual to heart
knowledge yet.
And so, like I said, it's aprocess and it's I think the
first breakthrough came early inthe 1990s when he began to talk
(07:44):
to me about my my hopelessnessabout my identity and who I was.
I just I decided, okay, I'mgonna test this out.
I am going to radically shift mybelief system about who and what
I think I am.
So probably for I don't know,anywhere from nine to 12 months,
(08:07):
I wrote down declarations onthree by five cards.
I recorded them on a taperecorder to music because if you
if you're doing and I listenedto it at night, I would go to
sleep with earbuds in, listeningto myself tell me who I was in
Christ and that I was worthybecause of the blood of Jesus
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and that God wanted to bless me.
You know, I just had all thesedeclarations, and I, you know,
this may be too muchinformation, but I actually had
declarations and I put them nextto the toilet in my bathroom.
Yes.
Every time I went to thebathroom, I said those
declarations.
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I wasn't allowed to get up untilI had gone through the list.
Well, talk about the royalthrone.
Yes, exactly.
I mean, we have to put it wherewe'll see it all the time.
SPEAKER_03 (09:03):
Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:04):
And the more we say it and the more emotion you use
in your voice when you say it,the quicker you'll start to
believe it.
Yes.
I did some studies on the brainto figure out how, because this
is all it is, is our brain is acomputer that needs a new
(09:24):
download.
And so I looked up how do youchange what your brain thinks is
true?
Okay.
And so number one wasrepetition.
Number two was using emotionwhen you say it.
SPEAKER_03 (09:41):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (09:42):
And if you use like a shake your fist in the air or
stomp your foot, if you involveyour body in the declaration, it
will also quicken your abilityto believe it.
SPEAKER_01 (09:54):
I did not know that.
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (09:56):
Yeah.
And then music is another thingthat will actually, if you it's
like music is a gatekeeper.
That's why a lot of worshipsongs have declarations in them
or scripture.
Because when we're in that mode,it does something to the
brainwave when you're listeningto music.
(10:18):
It's like it shuts down thegatekeeper that's trying to keep
that truth from penetrating.
So true.
Yes.
So that's why worship, one ofthe reasons is it's not just to
worship him, but hearing worshipsongs or songs that declare who
you are helps change what youbelieve.
SPEAKER_03 (10:38):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (10:39):
Do you have somebody might be wondering, and and I'm
wondering because I'm always I'ma very curious, I'm a woman of
wonder.
So what is your favorite songthat maybe you've had on repeat
lately or even years ago thatreally helped to um just settle
this in your heart?
SPEAKER_00 (10:57):
Yeah, well, I think some one of it not so much
anymore, but um Lauren Daigold'sum You said Oh yes, yes, that's
a good one.
Yeah, so any song like that, umI'll even use songs like from um
(11:19):
from the movie um uh what's thewhat's the movie with Olaf and
um um I'm I don't know whatyou're talking about.
Frozen, yes, yes.
So in Frozen 2, there's somesongs in there that you know
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she's hearing that voice callingher into a place that she's
never been.
Yeah, it's guiding her.
I use that to keep me in thatplace of God.
I want more, I want to see theunseen, I want to know your
realm.
Yes, you know, so that inspiresme.
(12:00):
It's not stuff that I listen toas much.
We just need to find a song tothat inspires us into what we we
know we're called to, or what isthe lie that we need to break
off?
Find a song and listen to itbefore every every um time of
(12:22):
prayer so that you're gettingyourself, you know, in the right
frame of mind.
SPEAKER_01 (12:28):
Um that's so good.
I love how you mentioned to, youknow, somebody might be like,
Well, Frozen 2, that's notthat's not a Christian movie.
It's like, no, no, no, no.
He can speak through any movie.
He, I mean, he speaks to, Idon't know about you, but I he
speaks to me through pretty muchevery movie.
I I know.
Do you have do you have afavorite movie that he's spoken
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to you through?
SPEAKER_00 (12:52):
Um, probably The Matrix has had the most lasting
okay.
SPEAKER_01 (12:58):
Yeah, that's a good one.
It's it's it's definitely a goodone to open your eyes, right?
SPEAKER_00 (13:44):
Wow, because I I really feel like the average
person in this world is totallyunaware that there's a whole
nother realm.
You know, they're stuck intobelieving what they've always
been told is true.
And you know, I I like to tellpeople that if the Bible hasn't
(14:04):
changed your view of reality,you're not reading it correctly.
Yeah.
The Bible is God's attempt toshow us a whole new reality
that's that can be accessed asborn-again spirits.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (14:23):
Yes.
What does it look like for you?
Um, because I don't know aboutyou.
We're there's many of us rightnow who are walking, at least
for me, I feel like a lot of mylife looks just very wild to
people and crazy.
And I know that you guys havewalked through I call it the
(14:44):
wildlife, right?
Um, what does that look like foryou guys to, you know, people in
the Bible?
Look at Jesus.
Like everything was socounter-culture, and the steps
they took, the moves they made,like didn't make sense on paper,
right?
So how how have you like whenyou first started stepping into
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this?
Because when did you get saved?
What age were you at?
SPEAKER_00 (15:12):
We got saved in 1975.
Okay, so you were a young age?
SPEAKER_01 (15:18):
Yes, 18 and 19.
18 and 19, wow.
Okay, so you had life beforeyou.
You had some life before yousaid you were hippie, and I had
some life before me as well.
And to come into a wholedifferent realm of reality as a
believer, it takes, at least forme, it took some time to come
into this place of like, oh,there's actually more than what
(15:42):
I'm being taught here, right?
We talked a little bit aboutthat in the beginning.
How did you start to come intothis place of like there is
more?
There is the supernatural.
What did that look like for youguys?
Or did it happen like, you know,pretty quickly after you got
saved?
SPEAKER_00 (16:00):
No, it it was probably 15 years after we got
saved.
Because we we were like most theaverage Christian for the first
15 years.
You're just doing your best,trying to please God, trying to
love him and do what you know todo.
And um it just it was justreally difficult for me because
(16:25):
I I'm it was like I was tryingto act like something I didn't
believe I was.
And what happened was he beganto talk to me about um but the
fact that I cannot perform myway into um a place with him to
(16:48):
earn healing or to earnprovision or whatever it was,
and he began to talk to me aboutthe spirit realm and that most
Christians they get born againof the spirit, and then they're
told to stay out of the spiritrealm.
Yes, yeah, and we're the onlyones with legal access, you
(17:09):
know, the Satanists, the newagers, the um all of those
groups, they're in the spiritrealm illegally, and then
they're making us afraid to useit.
And I had this encounter withGod where I got up in the middle
of the night to pray and I wasjust waiting on God, and he
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would referred me to thescripture where Jesus had died,
and the disciples were in thatlocked room, and then Jesus just
appeared.
And I'm sitting there waiting,and I hear in my in my head
Jesus go, Wendy, do you know howI got into the locked room?
And I'm like, Well, you weredead, so you were ghost-like, so
(17:56):
you could walk through walls,you know, because in all the
movies that I've seen before Iwas saved, ghosts they have no
substance, right?
They can walk through things,and he said, No, I'm more real
than the wall.
And as I was trying to figureout what he was saying, he said,
(18:16):
Wendy, the creator cannot haveless substance than the
creation.
And something happened in me,and I realized, oh, this spirit
realm actually has moresubstance than this natural
realm.
unknown (18:34):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (18:35):
Because everything was made by the spirit, and so
it has to have more substance.
And it really helped me to havemore faith in God because up to
that point, God was had nosubstance, and the things of the
spirit had no substance.
(18:55):
And in fact, my spirit had nosubstance.
I didn't need, I was not evenliving from my spirit, I was
living as a human.
And I wasn't realizing that Ihave to take care of my spirit,
I have to listen to my spiritman, because my spirit man,
(19:17):
according to Ephesians 2, isalready seated in heavenly
places.
Therefore, it knows everythingabout heaven and earth.
But if I'm not listening, and ifI'm trying to hear God with my
natural ear rather than spiritto spirit, I'm gonna miss a lot
(19:39):
of what God's trying to do.
Yes, yes, so it to me it was allabout building up my spirit man,
and and I had to learn how todifferentiate when I was living
from my spirit as a spirit andwhen I was living as a human and
(20:02):
doing things from my ownstrength, my own human strength.
Yes, yes, but I practice being aspirit.
I try to train my brain.
What does it feel like when myspirit man is the most um I
don't know how to put it,substantial part of who I am.
(20:24):
Yeah.
And I when people, if they'venever done this before, what I
like to say is think back to themost wonderful time of worship
or the greatest prayer time youEver had.
Remember what it felt like whensomething rose up inside of you?
And it was like, Yeah, I cantake the demons of hell.
(20:46):
I believe, I know something roseup.
That was your spirit, man,coming into preeminence.
Yes.
Amen.
Practice that state of being.
SPEAKER_01 (20:58):
What do you do?
I mean, are you in that state ofbeing?
Do you feel it every day?
Because I know as I've likegrown into this journey, I I
feel like I'm just constantly inawe and wonder.
Like I don't know how to benormal.
Quote unquote.
unknown (21:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:18):
It well, it's something that I'm at least part
of the day every day becausewhenever I have devotions and
when I'm praying, I don't liketo pray until I know I'm praying
as a spirit.
Because my spirit knows how topray, but my mind doesn't.
(21:40):
So the key is is recognizingwhen I've stepped out of the
spirit and I'm functioning justas a human and bringing my
awareness back.
I like to be self-aware ofwhat's driving me, my mind or my
spirit.
SPEAKER_03 (21:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (22:00):
And so I practice bringing myself back into the
spirit, whether it's just amoment of you know, praying in
the spirit or just remindingmyself how real God is, and that
my real self is powerful and aspirit being that has authority
to shift atmospheres, to walkinto a room, you know, and you
(22:24):
said you were a feeler, right?
Oh, yes.
The thing that I love aboutfeelers, because it it doesn't
sound like a fun thing when youwalk into a room and you feel
you know the spirits ofperversion or anger or
depression, and they used toinfluence me all the time.
(22:44):
So my emotions were up and down.
SPEAKER_03 (22:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (22:48):
But once I realized that oh, if if a spirit or
somebody carrying a spirit caninfluence me, then how much more
can the spirit of God in meinfluence them?
Yes.
Because light is more powerfulthan darkness, and so it it
(23:09):
increased my ability to believeI can walk into a store and
instead of feeling, you know,all the chaos or whatever's
going on, I now have this beliefsystem that ah, but light's more
powerful than darkness.
I bring peace when I walk intothe store.
Yes.
(23:29):
And so it's become fun to knowthat what I carry is greater
than what's in the world.
SPEAKER_01 (23:37):
Yes.
Well, and how long, like howlong was it before you knew that
you were a feeler?
Because I know just even growingup, I've always been a feeler,
but I didn't know I was afeeler.
So I would come under other, youknow, I'd be around somebody,
and all of a sudden I was like,why why do I feel like I want to
commit suicide?
You know, even as a young kid.
(23:58):
And it wasn't until within thelast five years that I even knew
that I was a feeler.
And I'm 48 as of a couple daysago.
So that's a long time to go.
And and then to just know, like,okay, this is not me.
To ask the question, is this me?
Right.
Do you do that as well?
SPEAKER_00 (24:19):
Yeah, I don't have to as much now just because I'm
so used to being more aware ofwhat I carry than what is out
there.
But I I really believe a lot ofpeople who are afraid to go out,
they don't like to be in crowds.
They're usually feelers.
(24:40):
And even a people who sufferwith a lot of depression, a lot
of them are also feelers andthey don't know what to do with
it, and they don't even know whythey're depressed or why this
they feel overwhelmed.
And the key is to actually beginto develop an inner life that is
(25:01):
bigger than what the world isexpressing.
SPEAKER_01 (25:06):
Yes, that's huge.
SPEAKER_00 (25:07):
But it takes time, and you have to do it in your
private time.
Like for me, the process wentthis way.
I used to go to um to prayer atnight after I put my kids to
bed, and I would be, you know,overwhelmed or depressed.
And I would just kind of prayfrom that state of being.
(25:28):
And God said, Okay, Wendy, youcan't shift your.
We were pastors at the time, andI was like trying to shift the
atmosphere of our town.
And he said, You can't shift thetown's atmosphere until you can
shift your own.
No, that's a word.
Yeah.
Say that again.
Yeah, you can't shift the town'satmosphere until you can shift
(25:51):
your own.
Did you guys hear that?
What he did was he said, beaware, okay.
What are you feeling?
Depressed, overwhelmed,frustrated, put on worship music
that is the exact opposite.
Yeah.
And dance before the Lord, shoutbefore the Lord, make
(26:12):
declarations until you shiftyour atmosphere and you feel on
top again.
Yes.
And then I used to do that.
We would we lived next to thechurch back in the day.
And so I would go to the churchand pray, and I was shifting my
atmosphere, and it was gettingreally good.
And then somebody heard I wasgoing to the church at night and
(26:34):
praying, and they said, Can Ijoin you?
And I'm like, Oh, sure, youknow.
But what I didn't know was thatGod set me up because she came
in with her atmosphere.
SPEAKER_02 (26:45):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (26:46):
And it was like, I would try to counsel her out of
it.
And I'm like, God, can Idisinvite her?
Because I can't pray.
SPEAKER_03 (26:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (26:54):
What she's carrying is blocking me.
And he said, No, I want you tostop trying to counsel her.
And I want you to shift heratmosphere just by your presence
in your belief system.
unknown (27:09):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (27:10):
So whatever I would feel she came into the room
with, I would do it.
I put on the opposite of inmusic, and I would dance and I'd
sing until whatever was over herbroke.
SPEAKER_01 (27:23):
Yes.
And so then was it quick too?
SPEAKER_00 (27:27):
Well, at first it was slow going, but probably
after three, three, four nights,yeah, it got easier and easier
and easier.
Yeah.
Probably depending on how deepshe was into whatever she was
carrying.
And then he enlarged it.
(27:48):
I would walk into church.
And I used to have, you know,I'd be feeling what's going on
in the church.
And it would be like, oh,there's such a spirit of
heaviness.
We can't break through inworship.
And God said, okay, now you'regoing to build a muscle to shift
an even greater atmosphere.
Wow.
Caused by a group of people.
(28:10):
So it's just like liftingweights.
We we try to shift whole, youknow, a whole store before we
even know how to do our own.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:20):
I'm I I mean, I've been there.
I I actually bought a book backin 2020.
It was like territorial spirits.
And the Lord's like, no, no,this is not.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (28:35):
Not right now.
It's building a muscle and itit's a spiritual muscle, but
it's also a belief systemmuscle.
Because we have to change whatwe believe about ourselves and
how powerful we are and what weare.
If we're trying to shift anatmosphere as a human, humans
(28:57):
can't shift atmospheres, onlyspirits can.
And so it's important to first,you know, connect spirit to
spirit with God and become one.
Like I practice being light.
Part of my devotion time isokay, God is light, I'm light,
(29:18):
we're one.
And I will just picture what myspirit man looks like as light.
And I don't know, this mighthelp somebody.
You know, when we think aboutthe angelic in the demonic
realm, we think, or most peopletend to think that angels and
demons see us as humans, but ifwe're born again of the spirit,
(29:42):
they actually our spirit hasmore substance than our body to
does to them.
Wow.
They see our spirit man firstand then the body because they
live in a spirit realm and theysee the weakness or the strength
of our spirit.
(30:03):
So the more we practice beingaware of our spirit, the greater
power and authority we carry inthe spirit realm.
SPEAKER_01 (30:14):
Yes, that's so good.
You I think you just unlockedsomething for somebody, and even
me.
Like it's something for me toeven remember, right?
Yeah.
We can forget.
We can forget these things.
Um, you know, I I do want tomake sure that we talk a little
bit about uh your voice.
Because you are a powerhouse,and I don't know, I'm sure
(30:37):
people have said this to youbefore.
Um, but you have so much wisdomthat is shared.
You have these nuggets, they'relike power drops.
Um, but there was a time whenmaybe you had kind of some
hesitation with your voice.
And I would love for you to justtalk a little bit about that
because in my world, I talk toquite a few women who've just
(31:00):
really struggled with theirvoice, whether it's releasing a
song or releasing a book orreleasing maybe they want to
they're being led to start apodcast or get on a stage.
There's there's a lot of womenthat are really challenged in
stepping forward in that realm.
Would you be willing to share alittle bit about your story?
SPEAKER_00 (31:20):
Oh, for sure.
Um it's there were so manylevels to it.
I think first was I thought Iwas shy.
I thought that's just who I am.
And so I struggled speaking.
I would get around, you know, agroup of people, and I couldn't
(31:43):
think of anything to say.
It was like my mind would goblank.
There was so much warfare.
And I think the first thing thatGod did was I started getting
prophetic words that I was ateacher.
And I remember rejecting itbecause it was like, well, that
involves public speaking.
I can't even speak one-on-one.
(32:05):
Right.
Right.
And he began to tell me about myfuture, that I was to be a
speaker and an author, and thatmy voice was powerful.
And so I'm like trying to tellhim no, I don't speak well in
front of people, I'm shy.
(32:26):
Right.
And this is what he said.
He said, Wendy, that's not whoyou are, that's just who you've
become.
And he said, There's a bigdifference between what you've
become and what you are.
We tend to get our identity fromwhat we've done or haven't done.
And this was when he used thewhole apple thing.
(32:49):
He said, Is an apple, what is anapple tree if it's never had
apples?
It's like, well, it's still anapple tree, whether it's
experienced birthing apples ornot, because the apple tree gets
its identity from what it wascreated to do, not from what
it's done.
And he said, We have to startgetting our identity not from
(33:15):
what we've done, but from whatwe're created to do.
SPEAKER_01 (33:19):
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (33:20):
And so if you're created to be a speaker, if
you're created to be an author,if you're created to have
influence, then we have to beginto define ourselves by it.
SPEAKER_01 (33:32):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (33:33):
You know, we have to.
I he told me when I startedgetting prophetic words about
writing, I started saying, Iwrite books, you know, and that
was one of my declarations, andnothing happened for sure way
too many years.
And I'm how many years?
SPEAKER_01 (33:49):
How many can you share?
SPEAKER_00 (33:50):
Five.
Five years, I declared I was awriter.
Okay.
And he's when I went to himfinally and said, It's still not
working, I can't write up right.
Yeah, he said, I need you tochange your declaration.
And I'm like, Okay, I wasn'tfull of faith at this point.
But I want you to declare thatyou're an author, not a that you
(34:12):
write books.
And I remember thinking, but inthe dictionary, an author is
someone who's already writtenbooks, isn't that lying?
And he said, no, because it'snot lying to call an apple tree
an apple tree before it's hadapples, is it?
(34:33):
Boom.
Yeah.
So it was like, okay, I'm anauthor.
And he went so far as to say, ifyou never write a book when you
die in heaven, you'll still beknown as an author.
unknown (34:46):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (34:47):
Because it was what you were created to do.
Yeah, so profound.
Yeah, it's not about yourexperience.
We can't allow experience todefine us.
And when you come into agreementwith what you were created to do
and to be, even withrighteousness, so you will not
(35:10):
be able to fulfill therighteousness that's within you
until you come into agreementthat you were created for
righteousness.
Because if you try to do whatyou don't think you are, you're
you're gonna you're opposingyourself.
And God never requires us to dosomething we're not.
(35:33):
That's the key.
Yeah, because the only reason hecan require us to be righteous,
the only reason he can requireus to heal the sick and raise
(35:54):
the dead is because we aresupernatural.
The reason he tells us to dothose things is because he's
trying to tell us who we are,not what to do.
SPEAKER_01 (36:08):
It's it's the being, yeah, the doing, right?
The the doing comes out of thebeing.
SPEAKER_00 (36:15):
Yeah, and it and otherwise we're our brain will
will always sort short circuitus into doing what we think we
are.
You know, even being aChristian, I a lot of times I I
would ask God, why is it that somany people get radically saved
(36:37):
and then they just fall away?
And he said, it's becausethey're trying to act like a
Christian, but they don'tbelieve that they are something
different.
So they're trying to do whatthey don't believe they are.
And it's called acting.
Yeah, yeah.
We have to get out of actingmode and actually believe we are
(36:59):
something.
And that so many things I wastrying to get rid of in my life,
old habits that were sodifficult, they just fell away
when I started believingsomething different about
myself.
So good.
SPEAKER_01 (37:17):
Well, Wendy, I know you have to run.
Um, I want to make sure that Ihonor your time.
Um, could you just share alittle bit, just a little nugget
about your book, VictoriousEmotions?
Because I know that that wouldbe something potentially for the
listeners to tap into eventoday.
Oh, sure.
SPEAKER_00 (37:34):
Yeah, I wrote that book.
Is that your first book?
No, it's my second book.
Your second.
Okay.
Just because I was in bondage tomy emotions for so many years.
I mean, I actually would wake upevery morning thinking, how do I
feel today?
And I would think about this isthe process.
I would think about what I hadto do that day.
(37:56):
If it was a lot, I would feeloverwhelmed.
Oh, yeah, it's gonna be a busyday.
I feel overwhelmed.
And I would feel overwhelmedbefore I even got through half
the day.
Wow.
Or depressed or intimidated, youknow, whatever it was.
And God said, That's the wrongquestion.
First question every day shouldbe, what do I believe today?
SPEAKER_01 (38:22):
What do I believe today?
SPEAKER_00 (38:23):
Yeah, that's that's always should be our first
thing.
Don't ask how you feel in themorning, ask what do you
believe?
Oh yeah.
Everywhere I go, revival gofollows me.
Oh yeah, I am the blessed, I amthe the head and not the tail.
Use scripture to define your daybefore even get started.
(38:46):
But anyway, the book is just umsteps for rewiring the brain to
believe what God says.
SPEAKER_03 (38:55):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (38:56):
Well, I'll link it in the show notes for sure, and
then I'll also link your otherbook, your first book, baby,
because that's a very importantbook, baby.
Yeah, the first book was Livingfrom the Unseen.
Yeah.
And that was your first one thattook you to be the developed
apple tree.
Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (39:15):
Living from the unseen actually was the hope
bringer because I had beentrying to be a Christian as a
human.
SPEAKER_01 (39:23):
So good.
Well, you guys check it out.
I'll I'll link it in the shownotes.
Um, I do like to end the showwith if you could just get in
mind um somebody who's listeningin today.
Do you have any other um wordsof knowledge or words of wisdom
that you'd like to speak overthis um woman or man who's
listening in?
And then would you pray us outtoday?
SPEAKER_00 (39:44):
Sure.
Yeah, I I think the biggestthing I'm sensing is that
somebody is being set free bythe concept about changing what
they believe about themselves.
And I I this is what I'm sensingis that people have been telling
(40:08):
you things about yourself, butyou've been rejecting what they
say because you think you knowyou, and God's been trying to
speak through that person totell you who you really are.
They are not that mistaken aboutthe things that they're telling
you that you can do.
You can do it because it's whatyou were created to do.
(40:31):
So, Father, I thank you thatlives are radically being
shifted.
Transformed.
We just speak to every spiritualChristian here that your spirit
is alive and well.
I call it forth to rise upwithin you, to begin to make the
(40:53):
shift of the atmosphere thatyour that your spiritual muscle
is being increased right now inJesus' name.
Who you are is beginning to justum rise up in you.
(41:13):
Rise up, rise up, arise andshine, arise and shine, arise
and shine.
I bind up the lies that havebeen making you small and making
you think you need to be smalland to have false humility.
I come against that spirit inJesus' name and I loose the
(41:35):
voices of those who have beenbound by the enemy who has
gagged their mouth and made themchoke on the things that need to
be spoken.
I release your voice in Jesus'name.
I release the hope and the joythat God has been bringing to
you.
And I speak to your worthiness.
(41:57):
You are worthy because of whatChrist has done for you and in
you.
In Jesus' mighty name.
Amen.
SPEAKER_01 (42:06):
Amen.
Thank you, Wendy.
I'm sure people are going towant to get a hold of you.
What is the best way that peoplecan reach you?
And I'll throw that in the shownotes as well.
SPEAKER_00 (42:16):
Yes, the ignitinghope.com.
Okay.
Or um Facebook igniting hope.
You'll find everything.
SPEAKER_01 (42:26):
Do you have any special events coming up soon?
SPEAKER_00 (42:30):
I you know, I did not write any of that down and
we just moved.
So my hands are you're justsettling.
SPEAKER_01 (42:37):
You're getting settled.
I love it.
Well, I'm gonna close with theanchoring verse.
It's may the God of hope fillyou with all joy and peace in
believing, so that by the powerof the Holy Spirit you may
abound in hope.
I just love that word, abound inhope.
Romans 15, 13.
So I will be back with anotherepisode next week.
Thank you so much, Wendy, forbeing on.
(42:58):
Would love to have you backanother time.
You have so much more to share,I'm sure.
So thank you again.
Bye bye.
Bye.
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