December 4, 2025 • 61 mins
In this episode, family physician and integrative medicine practitioner Dr. Josephine Ellis shares how a moment of collapse became the doorway to clarity, identity, and renewed purpose. We talk about redemption, surrender, whole-person healing, and how God meets us when our plans fall apart. If you’ve been navigating transition, uncertainty, or the feeling of “starting over,” this conversation offers language for your journey and fresh hope for what’s ahead.
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SPEAKER_03 (00:16):
Welcome to the Hope Unlock Podcast.
I'm your host, Kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
I help and empower wild-heartedand adventurous women of faith
feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and
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ways to connect with me further.
Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlock hopetogether.
Welcome to the Hope UnlockedPodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me welcome my newfriend, Josephine Ellis, to the
show.
(00:59):
She is a mutual connection ofour friend Jennifer Reyes, and I
think that's how I say her lastname, Reyes.
Yeah.
And I'm so excited to haveJosephine on today.
I know that she has such anamazing testimony, first of all,
and just even the places thatshe's been walking in lately.
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She is a pioneer and atrailblazer.
So I cannot wait for her toshare more about herself.
So would you tell us a littlebit about yourself before we get
into your story?
SPEAKER_01 (01:29):
Thank you, Kristen.
It's my privilege to be here.
I've been so looking forward tothis.
I've enjoyed listening to yourpodcast with all the wonderful
women that have been on here.
Um so I grew up in India, um,moved to the States, got
married.
I'm a family practice physician.
And then my, you know, I hadplans for my life.
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Yeah, but had different plans.
Um, and that's kind of wherethings went.
You know, I thought I um, youknow, I got into the school of
my dreams back in India, gotmarried to someone that was in a
wonderful job.
It was like we were set to bethe power couple, everything was
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going great, and I thought, oh,I'm coming to the land of milk
and honey.
Here we are in the States,life's gonna be good.
Um, didn't go quite the way thatI thought it would.
Um, things fell apart after Icame here.
Um, the marriage did not last,and it left me like I felt like
I was flying high.
And then, you know, like whenyou play snake and ladders, I
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felt like I got bit by the snakeand I was back down to square
one.
Found myself after two children,residency in a completely
foreign country, not knowing alot of people, and I my life was
not what I envisioned.
And um, when I, you know, whensomewhere about like when I was
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a few years into all of this,and I was seeking the Lord and
praying, um, he really met me onthis beach in Wilmington, North
Carolina.
Okay.
I was on the beach by myself fortwo, three days, and I was just
crying out to the Lord at theedge of the water with a Bible,
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um, and Chip Ingram's book,which is Where's uh God as He
Longs for You to See Him.
And that was a major milestonein my life, where the Lord
really spoke to me and He gaveme um, you know, what I felt I
needed to hear for the moment tomove forward because I felt I
had completely failed in mylife.
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Um, my marriage fell apart, Ihad two young kids, and my
career was okay, but I was stillI still wasn't happy with where
I was in life, and I didn't feelcomplete, and I needed some
answers from the Lord, and thatwas the point where God became
real to me.
Wow, wow.
SPEAKER_03 (03:59):
Now, at that point, like I would love to back up
just a little bit.
Like, what did your faithjourney like look like when
you're growing up?
Like, was it did you come toChrist when you're older as a
child?
Like, what did that look likefor you?
SPEAKER_01 (04:13):
So I was born in India, I grew up there, um,
lived there for the first 25years of my life.
I went to a Christian school, soI knew the Lord.
I mean, we were Christian in ourfamily, we went to church.
Um, there's a huge Christiancommunity.
I don't think people realizethat because there are billions
of people, and even if that's aminority, there's still millions
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of people that know the Lordthere.
So I did scripture reading.
I I was I knew off the Lord, butI didn't really engage with the
Lord as much.
I mean, I grew up in a verysecure um family.
My my mom, my dad, my sister,and I.
I'm the oldest.
It was a very loving family,life was good.
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I just went to the Lord when Ineeded something.
He was like the genie there.
I would go right.
I just need this Lord.
It was very transactional, andthat was the end of it.
I didn't really have arelationship.
Um, I didn't, I had I struggleda little to get into med school.
There's a lot of backstory.
I med school was my dream.
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I got into my the college of mydreams a year after I wanted to,
and that was like a big setback.
That was the first time I'mlike, okay, I can't do
everything.
There's a God that you know Ineed to go to.
Um, there are forces in theworld that I didn't understand.
That was my first experiencewith that.
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Um, and then the secondexperience was my marriage.
Um, we I had an arrangedmarriage.
I did not, you know, get to, wejust spoke on the phone for
several days.
That is the culture in most ofthe world.
Um, I met my uh then husbandjust the day before I got
married, moved to the US, um,you know, within a week of
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getting married, and everythingfell apart here.
And that's where I reallystarted seeking the Lord because
on the one hand, I hadeverything.
I thought, okay, I'm a doctor,I'm pretty sad, I'm doing well,
but there were things comingagainst me that nobody could
fix.
Um, you know, they I feltpowerless.
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And I think that really was myjourney to the Lord.
Because I I think that's true ofmost people.
I think if we found a differentway to fix things, we could.
SPEAKER_03 (06:35):
Right, right.
Well, can I ask you a question?
And I've often thought of this,but I maybe haven't had an
opportunity to ask this questionbefore.
You're you're coming into anarranged marriage.
Did any did anything in you say,I don't want to do this?
Like, what would happen if yousaid no?
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Like, could you have said no?
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_01 (06:59):
Yeah, yeah.
And there were people I said noto.
So it's it's very different.
SPEAKER_03 (07:06):
Like culturally, like, is it it's not not it's
not like you can like hear,like, I'm not really interested.
Like, I'm just curious, like howthat all pans out.
SPEAKER_01 (07:18):
Yeah, it's almost like a job interview when this
happened before.
Like, I mean, you know, theworld is different now, so many
years later, but then it wouldbe we would just have like a um,
we would have like um like a biothat you would give to an
agency, and then the bride sidewould do that, the groom side
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would do that, and then peoplewould get together and say,
Okay, should we move forward?
And then they talk.
And if the parents are okay,then the bride and groom get
together.
It's very different than here,and there is no like emotions or
you know, falling in love.
You fall in love after you getmarried.
Okay, it's it's completely wild.
SPEAKER_03 (08:00):
Now, obviously, like your parents they would did they
have an arranged marriage aswell?
Yeah, and they're still togethernow.
SPEAKER_01 (08:08):
Yeah, they are yeah, they've been married for 52
years and going strong.
SPEAKER_03 (08:12):
Wow.
Have you found that I know I'masking some questions that I'm
I'm just curious about.
Like, have you found many peoplethat um have had arranged
marriages that have worked out,like truly worked out?
SPEAKER_01 (08:27):
Um, a lot of people do.
I don't know the truly workedout part.
I think the more you know theLord and the more you walk with
the Lord, the more the lesslikely you are to accept certain
things because you have been setfree.
And I think that makes thedifference.
Um I think there are a lot ofpeople that do settle down where
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they're at, and they justrealize either I don't have the
fight in me or I'm just gonnacompromise.
Um and I think the journey endsthere, but yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (09:04):
Yeah, it's such a it's so thank you for sharing
more because I I have wonderedand I haven't met anybody that
had an arranged marriage before.
Um, and I'm so thankful to hearthat like it sounds like you had
this moment in Wilmington thatwas like was that a catalyst for
you, you know, reallyexperiencing true freedom then.
SPEAKER_01 (09:25):
Oh, totally, yeah.
I I basically felt like I had achip on my shoulder, and I said,
Lord, what did I ever do todeserve this?
Like lots of people get marriedand they don't end up having a
broken marriage.
And you know, the culture I grewup in, it's a culture that
celebrates um success.
Um, divorce is not success.
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A marriage that is broken is notsuccess.
Um, it's a very Greek culture,like you know, it is like how
well are you doing in yourcareer, and you know, how high
are you flying in terms of life?
Like, and so that was like itfelt like I was a failure.
But on that beach, the Lordreally spoke to my heart because
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I had to figure out if this isif this God is true, then there
should be justice.
And this doesn't look likejustice to me, but God's justice
and our justice really the waywe understand things don't mesh
together like that.
Uh, God had to give me anunderstanding of identity and
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purpose and what his plans werefor my life.
Um, I think the biggest thingwas that I had a plan for my
life that really didn't flowwith where God wanted me to go.
This was his way of saying,Josephine, pay attention to me.
Um and I I I think he knewexactly what I needed um to get
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my attention, and that's reallywhat happened.
I think um, I think if I had hada different kind of marriage, I
would have settled in.
I would not have pushed deeper,I would not have had um the fire
that I had.
I think the situation that I wasin, because God knew what he put
in me when he made me, and thecircumstances of my life forced
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me to come up higher and give methe fire for the Lord because I
I wouldn't settle in.
Yeah, I couldn't make peace withwhere I was at.
And I I just needed more.
And really that was it.
That was what drew me to theLord.
That's so amazing.
SPEAKER_03 (11:39):
And was it like, did you feel like you like heard his
voice prior to that moment, orwas that like a a really like
how do you like how did you hearhis voice that day, or or was it
like an impression?
Or I know people might bewondering, like, well, how how
did she know on that particularday?
Like, what did you hearspecifically?
SPEAKER_01 (13:13):
It was like a journey over several years,
right?
I think.
Um, so growing up, I did knowsome scriptures, I memorized
them, I just didn't apply awhole lot of it.
God was very distant.
I had this image of almost likethe school principal where you
get punished if you do somethingwrong.
He was never the loving fatherthat I know him now as.
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Um, it was a completelydifferent relationship.
So through the years, ascircumstances like as I adulted,
yeah, had different things thathappened to me.
Um, you know, that I came to aforeign country.
Initially, I had a lot of visaissues, my marriage was falling
apart, my job was tough, I hadtwo kids that I had to take care
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of.
There was a lot of things that Ireally needed to listen to the
Lord for because there was myissues could not be fixed by
people around me.
So I had to press into the Lord.
And that's when I startedhearing him, because I'd get up
in the morning and spend timewith him, read the word, and
he'd start speaking to me.
And the scriptures would jumpout at me, and the Lord will
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start speaking to me when Iheard somebody preach, or I
heard a song and it was speakingto my spirit.
I think the more I invested inmy spirit, the more I heard the
Lord.
I could hear him clearly.
Um, and then there were thingsin my soul, which is the mind,
will, and emotions that uhneeded healing, but I had to get
my spirit right first with theLord.
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And then that brought about thehealing in the soul and then my
physical body.
SPEAKER_03 (14:45):
Yes, that's so good.
I I just love just even howyou're explaining this, because
I I think sometimes people arelike, Well, I don't hear him.
I don't, I just don't hear him.
Have you heard that from peoplebefore?
SPEAKER_01 (14:57):
Oh, totally.
I I've definitely heard that.
And I was in this church beforewhere they did this exercise
that I still remember all theseyears later, um, there was this
lady who basically had her eyesclosed and all of us had to go
speak.
And she could tell who wastalking.
And the only reason she couldtell was because she had a
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relationship with them, she knewwho it was.
And that is the key.
I mean, if you take make thetime and sit down with the Lord,
he will speak to you.
You will know it.
SPEAKER_03 (15:31):
Yeah.
It's it's building thatrelationship.
One thing that you said I reallywant to kind of jump back to a
little bit.
There were things in your lifethat, you know, basically
couldn't be solved by anotherperson.
But during that time of, youknow, a lot of trauma and
turmoil, did you have peoplethat you could talk to?
Did you have people that umweren't necessarily going to
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solve the problem, but did youhave community around you that
you could talk to about whatyou're walking through?
SPEAKER_01 (15:58):
Oh, totally.
Yeah.
The Lord, I I think when I lookback and on where my life has
been, it's amazing to me how theLord knew what I would need and
he had those people at everystep of the way.
Like my parents, the way theyraised me to be strong and
confident and the love that theyhad, have, continue to have for
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me, the way they raised me.
I think that was so crucial inthe years of like how I was
growing up that it kept mestrong through the years of
where things were verydifficult.
And then my uncle is myspiritual father.
He, when I went through a lot ofstuff, I remember I was at my
uncle's house and I waslistening to this preacher from
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India.
He was teaching about Elroy, theGod that sees you, and about how
uh Hagar and Ishmael and howHagar cries out to the Lord, and
he makes a way for her and forIshmael.
And I remember it broke me whenI listened to that because I was
in a similar place in my lifewhere I felt nobody could take
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care of things.
And I'm like, Lord, if you cantake care of her, surely you see
me.
And that's how that was one ofmy first interactions with the
Lord.
And my uncle and my aunt spenthours pouring into me.
Um, I got connected with achurch that was very prophetic.
I got my feet wet, where we getinto these worship uh sessions
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where the spirit of the Lordwould move amazingly, and I
would feel the Lord speak to me.
I remember at the first churchservice I went to, I cried like
a baby.
And I hated when the when thepreacher said, Oh, everybody get
up and greet each other.
I'm like, I don't want to greetanyone.
Not yet.
SPEAKER_03 (17:42):
I'm like crying.
My makeup's all messy.
I don't want to do this.
Let me transition a little bit.
Oh, wow.
I mean, have you noticed thatthough?
Like you're you're having thismoment with the Lord, and it's
really hard to transition fromlike, okay, we we can't move
from this moment yet.
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Like you're in that moment.
It's like, okay, now move on tothe next thing.
SPEAKER_01 (18:06):
You're like, wait, wait.
Yeah, totally, totally.
SPEAKER_03 (18:11):
So you had um, is your uncle in the states then?
SPEAKER_01 (18:15):
Yes, he's in the states and he's in California,
he's a full-time minister.
SPEAKER_00 (18:19):
Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_01 (18:20):
Was all all around the world preaching, and yeah,
he led me to the Lordpowerfully.
I knew of the Lord, but hisimpact was great in my life.
Um I wouldn't be where I amwithout all the hours that they
spent.
That's so amazing.
Praying me through.
SPEAKER_03 (18:37):
Yeah.
So what age did you like whenwhen did you have that like um
you know, moment, I would say,like that really started to
change the trajectory of yourlife?
SPEAKER_01 (18:49):
So I was 25 when I came to the States, and um, I
was just married, had a childlike a year or so later.
I was trying to navigate thehealthcare system here.
So through those years, it waslike between 25 and 30, that's
when I started really pressinginto the Lord because life was
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getting harder for me.
And I needed to hear himclearly.
By the time I was 30, I think umit was things were at its worst.
Um, my second child, my son, wasborn in the middle of residency.
Um I really, really needed tohear the Lord.
And a year after that, mymarriage fell apart.
So that as my world was breakingdown around me, my spirit was
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going growing stronger with theLord.
Um, and that that's the starkcontrast, right?
Because you think you're goingdown with everything that's
happening around you, but theLord is building you up the
right way.
SPEAKER_03 (19:47):
Yes, that's so true.
Can you can you say that again?
I feel like somebody reallyneeds to grab onto that.
SPEAKER_01 (19:53):
Well, no matter how it looks around you in the
physical, the Lord is buildingyour spirit up, even in the
midst of all the chaos that yousee.
And that's what he did for me.
And I'm sure he's gonna do itfor whoever's listening to this.
SPEAKER_03 (20:06):
Yes, yes.
We mentioned, like we weretalking a little bit before we
got started, and you mentionedyour your lifeline verse.
Was that something that cameduring that season?
SPEAKER_01 (20:19):
Yeah, I was seeking the Lord for my marriage.
Um, we went to a counselor, Iwas fasting and praying, and I
will I was desperately hopingthe marriage would be restored.
And at that time, the verse thatcame to me was Isaiah 43:19
Behold, I do a new thing.
Um, do you not perceive it?
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Uh, I will make roadways in thewilderness and rivers in the
desert.
And at that time, I thought itwould be the restoration of my
marriage because that's what Iwanted desperately.
I wanted things to work out so Icould go back to my life.
I had a plan.
Right.
And it didn't quite work outthat way.
And it truly was a new thingthat the Lord was doing in each
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season in my life.
Um, the while the marriage fellapart, and there was a season of
where I had to work on myself, Ihad to go through a lot of
healing.
Um, Lord helped me actually knowwho I am.
I think identity is key.
In preparation for what he wouldwant me to speak on today, I was
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I was seeking the Lord, and it'sthat same chapter in Isaiah, um,
Isaiah 43, the first verse talksabout Jacob, how Jacob was
formed, um, but Israel wascreated.
And I feel like when I was born,I had an identity.
My parents named me, had a planfor me.
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I had a plan for myself.
But when I came to the end ofmyself, and there was a moment
where I had to ask the Lord, whoam I, Lord?
Why am I going through thesethings?
What is my purpose here?
That's when I feel um I wastransformed and he was creating
me to be who I'm supposed to be,giving me glimpses of that.
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Um, so Jacob the deceiverbecomes Israel, um, you know,
who then has all the 12 tribesthat come out of him.
That story is so beautiful abouthow he goes from that.
And I had to laugh.
I was reading it this morningbecause when Jacob first
interacts with the Lord, it'salso transactional.
Well, he says, Oh, you do allthis for me, Lord, and I'll do
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this for you.
Like you can do things.
And I was that, I was totallythat.
I'd be telling the Lord, oh, youdo this for me, and I'll do this
for you, and we're good.
SPEAKER_03 (22:39):
Yeah, yes.
Well, and I just, you know,based on like everything you're
sharing, I think so many peoplemaybe are even in that season
right now where um this journeyof you know, surrender and like
I do talk to a lot of peoplethat are like, I don't really
know my identity, like hisidentity for me.
I don't really know his purposefor me.
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So based on like, I would loveto hear based on, you know, as
you're growing up, like who didyou think you were and who did
he now show you you are?
Like who who's Josephinecompared to who you were before
and what did he create you for?
That contrast.
SPEAKER_01 (23:20):
So when I was growing up, I my goal was to be
a doctor, and then I got marriedum to an engineer when I first
moved here.
And so my view of who I was wasdifferent.
Um, and Josephine literallymeans the Lord will increase.
Wow.
I I had no idea what that was.
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My life certainly didn't looklike anything was increasing
when I, you know, um startedgetting serious with the Lord.
My world was falling apart, mymarriage was broken, um, I
wasn't doing well.
I had, you know, I had visaissues, I had things that were
totally mind-blowing for me.
And I thought, where is theincrease, Lord?
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Right.
But as the Lord rebuilt me to bewho I am, I'm not defined by the
failures that happened in mylife.
Um, you know, there were thingsI did that were not right, and
there were things that uh my myhusband then did that were not
right.
Um, but God takes all thosebroken pieces where you make a
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mess of things and he redeemsyou.
And I think that is the story.
My the identity I have in theLord is my story of redemption.
That what wherever I was, I am adaughter of the king and I am
not destroyed by my past.
Um the Lord has rebuilt me to besomebody that can be um that can
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give hope to people like me.
Like, I mean, if you were flyinghigh, or even if you weren't, if
you've had major failures inyour life, God can take every
broken piece and put it togetherlike you can't believe it.
And that story of redemption isour identity.
I mean, the Jesus coming to theworld to redeem the world that
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Adam destroyed, and that that isall the gospel is about.
I mean, knowing who we are andtaking back what the enemy has
stolen.
Um, whether it's your health orwhether it's your life in you
know, in all of that.
I my other favorite scripture isJohn 10:10.
SPEAKER_02 (25:28):
Um, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (25:30):
It the abundant life, that's what we're called
to live.
My identity and all of ouridentity that know the Lord is
in the abundant life.
But I feel most of our journey,wherever we start, is walking
towards that identity.
And once you know who you are inthe Lord, then your purpose
becomes very clear.
Um, but getting to thatidentity, that is a challenge.
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Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (25:55):
So, you know, speaking of even just the work
that you do, like as aphysician, I would say like a
healer.
Um, and now he's been um, youknow, showing you more about
your identity and the ways thathe's created you.
Um, have you realized anythingon this journey that um, you
know, in the work that you'redoing, has he shown you anything
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since you've had this likeawakening, I guess you could
say?
SPEAKER_01 (26:21):
Mm-hmm.
So when I started becoming apart of the church, it was it
was fascinating to me thatpeople really didn't want what I
was offering.
I most people didn't want themedications.
They'd be like, nope, I'm good.
Uh give me something else.
So I started looking at otheralternatives, and that's how I
got into lifestyle medicine, um,which is food as medicine, but
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that didn't quite cut it.
And then I started looking atintegrative medicine, which
looks as the at the body as awhole, um the spirit, soul, and
body piece.
And I found that some the churchdoes very good with the spirit
and soul part, not so good withthe body part.
And the secular world doesreally good with the body part,
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they don't focus on the spiritand soul as much, but you need
all of it.
Yeah, if your spirit is notright, it doesn't matter how
many pills I give you or howmany miles you run, uh, you
definitely wouldn't thrive likeyou should.
And that's what I see a lot inthe healthcare system.
We, you know, we're limited bywhat we can do.
We can't really heal the wholeperson like that, um, where you
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touch the spirit, soul, and bodyparts.
SPEAKER_03 (27:32):
Yes, that is I I can imagine how challenging it would
be because I I I was in you knowthe healthcare system for quite
some time.
And I just love um even since Iwas young, I've always been into
like health and wellness andjust love researching
everything.
And then I had kind of anawakening moment years ago where
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you know there was differentthings, and I was being kind of
flung around the system, told Icouldn't have kids, and I have
two, you know, young men, andjust realizing that there was um
like root cause.
Like, what why are you giving mea medicine?
Like I started questioningbecause I was like, well, I
didn't go to school to be adoctor.
This was my my process for along time.
Like, I didn't go to school fora doctor, and I just am gonna
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trust that somebody is knowingwhat the best case scenario is
for me.
And then unfortunately withmedicine, it's like, okay, well,
one medicine has a side effect,so then you need another
medicine for the side effect,and then it just kind of becomes
this domino effect.
And I just did a lot ofresearch, and I just love I call
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it the supernatural side ofwellness, where literally it's
supernatural, but it's alsosupernatural.
Where I learned even through um,you know, a diagnosis of
Hashimoto's that you can helpreverse things with foods and
different lifestyle things.
And I was just fascinated.
(29:00):
Um, what I guess what would besomething that you've learned
along the way?
Kind of you you've got a very uminteresting perspective because
you're literally in, you know,what I'm saying, like what has
been the most um fascinatingpiece that you've learned along
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the way um since kind oflearning more about the
integrative side.
SPEAKER_01 (29:28):
Um so the challenge I see now for where we're at is
that we're in the age ofinformation.
There is like so muchinformation.
Like, I mean, you couldliterally ask Chat GPT anything,
and it's mind-blowing theanswers it gives you.
You could search out anything,but I don't think we are made to
(29:52):
just have that information, butthat information has to become
revelation for you.
How does that apply to you?
Um, that personalized medicine,right?
Like, okay, in general, ifsomebody comes in, like um, you
know, they have migraines oracid reflux, and they're I'm
giving them medication for that.
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And I would just give themmedication before, but now I ask
people a lot more like, what'syour life like?
What do you eat?
What stresses are you dealingwith?
Um, so the medicine will takecare of the symptom, but where
is the source of everythingcoming?
Um, and that I think is key.
I think where we're movingforward, understanding um that
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there is like the root of someof everything you may be dealing
with maybe somewhere else.
I think that for me as someonethat diagnoses and treats,
that's very fascinating to me.
It's like peeling the layers ofan onion.
That people come in with acomplaint, and then I start
digging.
Okay, so let's do this, youknow, let's like fatigue.
(30:57):
I see people all the time, brainfog fatigue.
So we go down blood work, we dosleep study, you know, we look
at are you depressed?
Are you anxious?
And there's a lot of things thatcome out in that process.
And sometimes there's peoplethat have like a thyroid issue.
Or they're anemic, or you know,there's a reason for the
fatigue, or they have sleepapnea where they're not sleeping
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good and they're tired the nextday.
But sometimes it's somethingdeeper.
They're just not satisfied.
Your spirit is not at peace.
And there is a soul sicknessbecause there are things, there
have been things that havehappened to you in your life
that no medicine is going tofix.
You, you know, like, and if youdon't take care of it earlier in
life, then you definitely see itlater on, where people struggle
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with who they are and they can'teven verbalize it.
And that to me is the mostfascinating part of medicine,
trying to solve that puzzle.
Is it a physical piece?
Is it a soul, is it a spiritpiece?
And then how do we fix it?
SPEAKER_03 (31:59):
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, I love that you know, youhave you've you go deeper with
people.
Um, I don't know.
I've I've been I've always justbeen really fascinated and so
thankful if you find like aphysician or a physician's
assistant or somebody who'swilling to like sit down with
you longer.
Um, my son has an eye doctor,and I try to make the
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appointment in the morning rightaway because she'll just like
talk with you and ask morequestions and want to know more.
Um, you know, for example, youknow, my physician's assistant,
she sits longer, will askquestions, dig deeper, because
she she's she's got the youknow, Western medicine, but she
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also has that integrative side,which I'm so thankful for
because that's where the healinghappens, I believe.
SPEAKER_01 (32:51):
Totally.
Would you say?
I yeah, um, I think it waseye-opening for me doing
integrative medicine and umgetting a taste of different um
ways of medicine, like Ayurvedicor homeopathic, or it's
interesting how different fieldsof medicine look at how the body
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is and how they integrateeverything.
And I feel like we're we're kindof very narrow when it comes to
us here.
We just focus on a few things,and we definitely have to expand
beyond that um and look at thebigger picture.
I feel that's where medicine isgoing.
And for that, I'm excited.
SPEAKER_03 (33:31):
Yes, I do too.
Like I just keep, I just keephaving this vision of like
parallel systems coming up, evenlike a parallel system of health
insurance.
Like I had somebody, a friend ofmine, she said, I don't I don't
have health insurance.
I have health assurance from theLord.
I'm like, that is a word rightthere.
SPEAKER_01 (33:51):
It is, it is.
That's awesome.
SPEAKER_03 (33:53):
Um, you know, just even something that would maybe
reward you for, you know, havingyou know, lifestyle of you know
working out and eating well andnot having to pay like thousands
of dollars each month for youknow what I mean?
Wouldn't that be great?
SPEAKER_01 (34:10):
That would be great.
That would be great.
I would love that.
Yeah, it's hard to even envisionthat world.
I know, considering where weare, but yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (34:21):
So what are you looking most forward to?
Like as you because how muchlonger do you have in school?
SPEAKER_01 (34:28):
Um, so I'm doing my fellowship.
I graduate in uh January.
Um and after that I'll be ableto incorporate more of that.
Um I still plan to be in familypractice doing my regular job,
but I'm branching into coachingwith integrative medicine so I
can talk about you know theother aspects that I don't get
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to talk in the in the clinic.
Um, so I have, yeah, I'm almostat the end.
So it's been very interesting.
SPEAKER_03 (35:00):
And there's like there's no problem with you
doing your own coaching and yourown business outside of that,
right?
Correct.
Yeah, which is amazing.
So, how about your vision forthat?
SPEAKER_01 (35:10):
So, my vision for that is um spending time with
people and trying to figure out,you know, what why you're stuck
where you're stuck.
So I've had an issue with myweight most of my life.
Um, I've dropped the weight,gained the weight.
I never could like keep it off.
But a lot of what I was dealingwith, and I had to go really
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deep into like I would doeverything they're telling me to
do in seasons.
You know, I had my moments whereI wouldn't do stuff, um, but
tracking your calories, doingweight watchers, exercising,
taking medication, and still notseeing the scale budge at all.
But a lot of it for me was theway I viewed food.
I had a very unhealthyrelationship with food, and I
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had some limiting beliefs of howI needed to eat three times a
day, or you know, like was fromgrowing up, that's the way I
was.
I had to eat, or if I somethingbad would happen, and I would
literally get like hangry if Idon't eat.
I had to dig deeper and figurethat part out, and I think that
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really was liberating for me.
So for me, it was um it was theemotional part of it, it was
identifying the specifictriggers and then realizing
you're not going to die if youdon't eat the meal, and actually
figuring out my hunger cues andbringing those back.
So I eat when I'm hungry, Idon't have to eat three meals a
day.
I nourish my body with goodthings, not just things that
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make me um feel good for themoment, but then I'm gonna
regret later.
It was a whole mindset shiftthat that helped me the most.
And so I'm very interested inhelping other people that maybe
are stuck because I can relateto people that struggle with a
lot of things, and they may noteven know what's really holding
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them back because they may nothave processed through that.
Um, that that's the fun part ofmedicine.
That's exciting.
SPEAKER_03 (37:07):
Like, so you've seen a lot of breakthrough just even
in your own body, like releasingthe weight.
Is that kind of what's happenednow?
SPEAKER_01 (37:16):
Yes, yeah.
I've been working at it.
Um, and it is really the mindsetfor me.
And there's always this fear ofLord, am I gonna have a bad day?
But it's okay to have a bad dayand come right back.
Yeah, it's not gonna be perfect,right?
SPEAKER_03 (37:32):
But what would be a bad day?
Like what can constitutes a badday?
SPEAKER_01 (37:36):
Where I don't have any control and I eat the things
that I want to eat that don'tmake me feel good.
Like I, you know, Indian cookingis very much carb-heavy.
Um, it's not, I mean, you canbalance the stuff.
So I have a taste for certainthings.
So finding those things here andmaking the meal that would be um
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more nutritionally balanced is achallenge.
And with my life being busy, Ihave to prep ahead of time.
Um, so if I'm if you're reallylike set in how you're going to
eat and what you're going toeat, sometimes that's a
challenge.
So I have to prep I have to beflexible and give myself some
grace on days when it doesn't goso well, and then I'll start the
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next day.
So where I'm like eating, youknow, whatever leftover I have
because that's all I have.
Yeah, all the time I have forthat.
SPEAKER_03 (38:25):
Yeah.
Well, I'm just kind of curioussince you do have you know a
fuller lifestyle and you'regoing to school, you you're, you
know, a doctor, and you're Idon't know how old are your kids
now?
SPEAKER_01 (38:37):
Um, they're my daughter will be, she was born
in 2001.
So she'll be 24 this year, andmy son is he'll be 21 next year.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (38:50):
So you're not like having to really take care of
them at this point anymore.
SPEAKER_01 (38:53):
Well, okay.
They're young adults, which is abeautiful thing, right?
So my husband fends for himselffor a lot of days, so I'm not
forced to cook, which also takesthe burden away from what am I
gonna cook for dinner?
What am I gonna eat for lunch?
SPEAKER_03 (39:08):
Right, right.
So, how do you like youmentioned kind of getting
yourself prepped for, you know,I don't know how long you're at
at work, but um, what would yourecommend to somebody who, you
know, I'm just thinking ofsomebody who's like, I don't
have time to eat healthy.
I just don't, I don't have timeto eat healthy, I don't I don't
even know what to make, I don'tknow what to do.
(39:29):
You know, our our grocery storeskind of bombard you with package
convenience frozen foods.
How would you help somebody tolike kind of view things in a
different light?
SPEAKER_01 (39:42):
Yeah, so I have come to realize that the way that you
were raised and how you viewthings plays a huge part in
that.
So I'm not going to shiftsomebody right away.
So you pick one thing and youwork on it little by little.
So for me, it has to taste goodand I have to be able to get it
really quick.
(40:03):
Yeah.
If those two things are notthere, I'm probably not gonna
keep doing it.
So I have decided for me, I'mgonna work on the three to five
fruits and vegetables in a day.
Some days that's a smoothie,some days that's the raw
vegetables and fruits.
So then I don't have to do awhole lot.
It's easy.
I shop over the weekend and Ijust take that, and then I'll
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figure out what I'm gonna do forthe lunch and dinner.
Um, I also work on my eight cupsof water.
I don't think any of us know howmuch water we need, but at least
that.
Yeah, those healthy habits likethat, and I try not to eat
processed.
I'm very, very uh sensitive tosugar.
Um, you know, it it's not good,and sugar isn't everything.
(40:49):
Um you really do have to becareful, but then I won't give
up my coffee.
I love my coffee.
I have to be careful.
So I don't put sugar, I justhave like uh cream in it.
Um, so it's like you know,letting my taste buds getting
used to something else andseeing how I like that.
It's giving yourself grace andjust picking one thing and
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working on that for however longit takes to master it, and then
picking a new goal.
Um, it works great if you havelike an accountability partner
or somebody that's you knowthere for you, then you tend to
do it much better, but you coulddo it alone just by yourself,
you depending on how motivatedyou are.
SPEAKER_03 (41:32):
Yeah, well, I love that, like just the grace over
it as well, and then and justthis reminder to people like it
takes time, right?
It's not an overnight, like whatI'm hearing you say is don't try
to like go into your kitchen andyour refrigerator and like throw
everything away and start likejust go to the grocery store and
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overhaul everything.
Like, there's a process to this,right?
Kind of this pace of grace,okay.
One thing at a time, masterthat.
I would agree.
Like, I kind of went throughthat myself years ago.
Um, I I don't like a lot of likeout there the dye, like diet,
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like spell dye tea.
Like, no, I don't I don't reallywant to like just eat plain
boring food.
Like it, like you said, it hasto taste good.
And you can make food that isextremely nourishing for your
body.
And wouldn't you say it, ittakes at least for me.
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I ended up buying a bunch ofspices.
I never really used spices whenI first like started cooking and
got married and started findingrecipes.
I'm like, oh my gosh, it needs aspice.
Yeah, salt and pepper.
SPEAKER_01 (42:48):
Let's do something about that.
Would you say too?
Oh, totally.
Growing up in India, we hadspices galore.
My food has a ton of spices init, ginger, garlic, turmeric,
everything that decreasesinflammation, that's great for
your body.
Um, so I grew up on that, I lovethat.
But those formative years whereyou're growing up, how you view
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food, what your family ate, thatis like ingrained in you.
So if you're going to godifferent than how you were
raised, it's going to take alot.
And I think that's the part thatsometimes people don't
understand and they think theyfail, but you will get there.
It's just going to take time toget to where you want to be.
(43:31):
It's definitely not happeningovernight.
And it shouldn't set unrealisticgoals.
SPEAKER_03 (43:36):
Yes.
Well, what would be this is aquestion because I love I love
Indian food.
Um, what would be like afavorite recipe that you've put
together that is reallynourishing for your body?
That you've maybe kind of liketaken something that was one
thing, but you kind of flippedit to be really nourishing and
delicious and also you knowhelpful to your body?
SPEAKER_01 (43:59):
So I love eating a lot of vegetables.
Um I grew up in South India.
We had very different spices.
We use like tamarind, which hasthis tangy taste.
I there is it's not so there'sthings I like that are not
nourishing, but that are morelike soul food on rice that are
bad.
And then there are things that Ihave turned into really good
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things that are balanced.
So um, around Thanksgiving, Idon't, I'm not a huge fan of
turkey, but I can do groundturkey.
So I make this one pot meal ofground turkey, which has ginger,
garlic, turmeric, um, andonions, and every spice that I
can think of, like coriander andcumin.
(44:42):
Um, and you put a bunch of umveggies in it and the ground
turmeric, and you know, find thebest meat that you are
comfortable with.
And that's a one-pot meal thatyou can do with either bread or
rice that I would feel goodabout eating because it has all
the veggies in it, it has yourprotein in it, and it has the
spices in it.
And it's simple to make and ittastes great.
SPEAKER_03 (45:05):
I love it.
Um, and it sounds pretty simpletoo.
It is, it's how long, how longdoes it take you to make it,
would you say?
SPEAKER_01 (45:12):
Not long, 20-25 minutes.
If the turkey is, you know, likethe ground turkey is thought out
and stuff, then it doesn't takelong at all.
SPEAKER_03 (45:19):
Yeah.
I mean, would you say people arelike, I don't have time for
that?
I just don't have time for that.
SPEAKER_01 (45:24):
Um, sure, but um, I like I tell people the biggest
investment is you.
Yes.
You have to invest in you.
Um, like I tell my patients allthe time, I mean, I can give you
all these medications to sustainyou, but you're not really
thriving.
And you have to make time forthose things that matter.
(45:45):
And you don't have to take a lotof time.
Maybe you can't do the groundturkey.
Can you throw things in ablender and do a smoothie?
Um, can you do it on theweekends so you have at least
one meal you're going to do goodwith?
Like, you know, what do you likeeating that's good and fresh
that you can put together thatmaybe for a month you just work
on one meal a day and then youfigure out other things that you
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can get right?
So you just have to pick whatworks for you, your taste buds,
and your lifestyle, but youcan't bypass investing in you.
You have to make time for you.
That's such a word.
Say that again.
Um, you can't bypass investingin you, you have to make time
for you.
SPEAKER_03 (46:27):
Yeah.
And I want to stress, you haveto make time.
Like make time.
Literally, you have to set asidethe time.
We all have time.
Look at, I mean, I remembersomebody was like, go look at
your phone and see like how manyhours you're spending on YouTube
or social media, or I mean,because that that's really that
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that's our world right now,right?
We're kind of like sucked intothe phone.
Pull yourself away.
Um, what did you say?
Like, we we actually have time.
SPEAKER_01 (46:59):
We do.
I and I have had to put the donot disturb, um, you know, the
focus.
I have to set the focus where Idon't get any notifications at
work because it's verydistracting.
And I can't tell you how manypeople come thinking they have
ADD because they can't shut thephone off.
Um and it's crazy to me.
But they would go on amedication and you know, go that
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route rather than actually.
Now, some people definitely havean issue and they need to be on
medications, but not everyone.
I feel like if there'salternatives to medicine, then
you want to go that route first.
Um, so that is one of the ways Ihave to shut that down.
Like, I think whatever yourpersonality is, for me, I
remember there was one timewhere I was so busy, I had to
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literally put do laundry insteadof time on it because I couldn't
get to it.
I I actually do that.
That is pretty bad.
I that was like a I mean, that'sthat's good that if you get to
it, but that was just notgetting done in my life at that
season to do that.
So I have to make time, unless Iput time down and say, I'm gonna
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do this in this place on thisday, it never happens.
Like I show up at work and theyget you know so many hours with
me.
Um, I have to make time on myschedule and say, I'm gonna do
this for me until you get tothat place, you're not quite
ready to make the change.
So that's going to be harder.
SPEAKER_03 (48:27):
Yes.
Well, being that you're doingall the work that you're doing
and you're you're helping somany people, how how do you rest
in your life?
What does that look like foryou?
SPEAKER_01 (48:39):
My favorite thing to do is spending time with the
Lord.
I think that that makes me happyin a place that I can't even
begin to describe.
Um, you know, like just gettingquiet with the Lord and um
letting him love on you.
Um that nourishes my spirit andreading scriptures or you know,
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like the promises that he'sgiven me through the years or
difficult seasons that I havebeen through where he's come
through for me, you know, likehow David after Ziklag had to
strengthen himself in the Lord.
He had to go back and rememberthe things the Lord did.
I love doing that for my spirit.
Um, for my soul, which is mymind, will, and emotions, I have
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to process things out with theLord when something bad happens,
or I didn't, I don't always likethe way the Lord does things.
I'll come right out and saythat.
I understand, yes.
Sometimes they don't make sense,right?
SPEAKER_03 (49:39):
No, it doesn't in our in our playbook.
SPEAKER_01 (49:42):
Yeah, totally.
I agree with that.
I I have to sit down with theLord and say, I really didn't
like the way that went.
I felt like, like even you know,my marriage that fell apart for
years I would have dreams of mebeing like naked and exposed
before people because that's howI felt.
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I felt like I wasn't in a goodplace, like I was exposed with
what happened to me in my life.
But that I had to process thatthrough with the Lord.
There is, you know, like thosethings were allowed to happen
for a purpose in my life, someof which are still being
revealed.
And I had to get to the placewhere I was not bitter or angry
(50:26):
about it and accepted that Godknows best.
So that process, like I I havehad to work through where I just
want to go worship because mysoul is like stuck and I'm angry
with the Lord.
But then I started processing.
Okay, if I don't talk to him,it's not going to get better.
So I will definitely say I'mmuch better than I used to be,
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where I just there there areseasons like there was a season
where like two or three peopledied that I did not like around
COVID.
It totally broke me.
And I the those seasons ofprocessing and worshiping with
the Lord was just tears.
All I did was just cry in hispresence.
And you know, there was a seasonI had to walk through that, and
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then I got better.
And then I I love for thephysical um body part, I love
just taking walks.
It's a beautiful time of theyear, the leaves are turning,
it's crisp but not cold yet,like that.
Um, and there's you know, falleverywhere.
I I it's taken me a long journeyto enjoy the season that I'm in
(51:28):
because I used to dread fallbefore.
So I just have different thingsI try to do.
Um, but a lot of it I being outof nature makes me very aware of
the Lord and the seasons thatwe're in.
So I just have to find differentthings to nourish my spirit,
soul, and body.
That's what I like doing.
SPEAKER_03 (51:45):
That's beautiful.
I love how you like even haveit, you know, it's not just kind
of a covering, but you're likenarrowing it down to each like
the spirit, soul, body.
That's beautiful because wewe're we're different aspects,
different aspects need differentthings, right?
Surely, yes.
Yeah, right.
So, what is um, I don't know, Ifeel like just asking you like,
(52:05):
what is your favorite worshipsong lately that you've had on
repeat?
SPEAKER_01 (52:11):
Oh, every season the Lord wakes me up with a
different song.
Um you know, my mom had surgerynot that long ago, and there was
a song, it's an Indian song,that he gave me in my spirit,
which is about you know theseasons of life that we're in.
A few years ago, my dad hadsurgery, and there was a song
for that season.
Lately, I've been the songthat's been coming to me a lot
(52:34):
is um No Longer a Slave to Fear.
SPEAKER_02 (52:39):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (52:40):
That is so powerful.
And I think it's Zach Meredith,I think that's who it is.
He sings it in a prison.
And I feel like that uh is theseason, it really resonates with
me, like the season where slavesare set free, where oppressed
are like coming to a differentrealization of who they really
are, not bound by thecircumstances that you're in,
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but really seeing yourselfthrough the eyes of the Lord and
the fantastic future that existsfor you, like Ephesians 3.20, we
were talking about before.
SPEAKER_03 (53:15):
Absolutely.
And then this, like when I wastelling you about like Amos
9:13, I feel like we're in theseason of like specifically in
the message version, it's likethings are gonna happen so fast
your head's gonna swim.
Like blessings upon blessings,and you know, things that maybe
you've been waiting for for likefor me, and in kind of I'm in
(53:35):
the middle of a miracle, andI've been waiting for for
something for a couple decades,and all of a sudden, you know,
it's just like this, all of asudden, like you said, it's like
I I couldn't make this up.
And and you know, just even kindof going into the question that
I I would ask sometimes over theyears of like, why, like, why
(53:56):
me?
You know, like why me?
And I'm sure all of you who arelistening have had those
questions, and Josephine has hadthose questions, but ultimately
when you've asked God thatquestion of why me, how has he
responded to you?
SPEAKER_01 (54:10):
Um, different answers in different seasons.
Um, I think when I was reallybroken in my marriage, I
remember crying out to the Lordand saying, I see all these
people around me that have greatmarriages and they don't even
know you.
How am I?
Why am I going through this?
And you won't believe it.
(54:31):
20 years later, I ran into thesame person that I had talked to
the Lord about.
Marriage really wasn't doingwell.
And not that, you know, so I'mnot saying that um that there's
anything to celebrate in that,but you look at life, you can't
just look at one moment in yourlife and question it.
(54:53):
God knows the beginning and theend.
And it's a journey, right?
I mean, if you look at somebodylike Joseph, you take one moment
of his life, there he is, hisdad's favorite, his brothers
hate him.
The next minute he's like insome place where he's falsely
accused, and then more peoplethat betray him, the baker, and
(55:14):
um, you know, like moving on.
So it your life is amasterpiece, and you can't just
look at one point in your life.
And through the through my walkwith the Lord, what I have
understood is that He's alwaysthere for me, and there's a
bigger picture, there's a biggerpurpose.
(55:35):
There's a purpose bigger thanmyself.
There's a kingdom uh reason I'mhere on the earth.
Um, and even medical studiesshow that people that have that
kind of belief system that theytend to do better in their
health, they live longer, um,thrive when you look at it like
that.
So um, why me in differentseasons of my life has been
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different things?
Um, right now I feel like he'sputting the whole integrative
spirit, soul, body piece.
So if there are people that arewhere I was in life, where you
felt like a failure and thefuture looked bleak, um, it is
the season to bring everythingto the Lord and watch him redeem
it for you.
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Um the season of redemption,it's a season of acceleration,
it's the season.
If you've been sowing, this isthe season of harvest.
You're gonna see everything cometo them.
SPEAKER_03 (56:32):
Yes, I've been like contemplating and just like
sitting on that for like thelast two months for sure.
I'm like, okay, like this isactually like we're actually in
that time for sure.
Um, well, I would love for youto share.
Um, what how can people get intouch with you?
First of all, for those who areinterested in working with you
(56:53):
and coaching, like what would bethe best way for them to reach
out to you?
SPEAKER_01 (56:57):
So you can email me at uh lifewithdoctorelis at
gmail.com.
I believe I shared that withyou.
It should be in your show notes.
And then there's my website umwith the same um
lifewithdoctorlis.com.
But email would be the best wayto get a hold of me.
SPEAKER_03 (57:18):
Okay, sounds great.
Well, I am so excited for youand your journey, and thank you
so much for sharing likeeverything you've shared today.
I know it has not been, youknow, an easy journey, but I do
believe that um, you know, thoseof us who've walked through so
much, we have an opportunity toturn around and help others
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through, right?
As kind of the trailblazers,we've been cut up a little bit
along the way, but we get toclear a path for others that are
coming behind us.
So thank you for doing that.
Thank you for your yes.
Um, it has generationalimplications that you probably
have no idea about yet, right?
Yeah.
Um, so I would love for you toshare.
Um, as I've mentioned before,those of you who listen to the
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show, I do this for the one, andobviously I believe there's
others who are listening besidesone.
But could you just get in mindthat one who's listening in
today?
And did you have anything elsethat you'd want to share with
them?
Um, any words of encouragementor wisdom that you'd just like
to speak over them today?
And then would you pray us out?
SPEAKER_01 (58:20):
Yes.
Um first of all, it's been aprivilege, Kristen.
Thank you.
What a joy you are to um thekingdom and what you do for
women that listen in andeverybody, right?
I mean, it's it's such a joy tohear your story and the story of
all your guests.
Um when I look back at my life,I see how the Lord carried me.
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And um, one of my favoritescriptures is um, I carried you
on eagle's wings and brought youto myself.
So if you're going through adifficult season in your life,
could it be that the Lord iscarrying you and you're just not
seeing it?
And I my prayer for people thatare listening in today is to
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have God's perspective on theirsituation and not what they see
with naturalized, but what God'sspirit is showing you, despite
what you see in the natural, um,to see yourself as God sees you.
Um, and and to nobody but theLord Himself who made you can
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tell you who you are and whatyour purpose is in life.
And I pray that people press inand are able to hear the Lord's
voice loud and clear so they canunlock their destiny and their
purpose.
Amen.
So good.
SPEAKER_03 (59:50):
Will you pray us out?
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (59:53):
Happy to.
Thank you, Lord.
What an amazing time we had.
Lord, I pray a blessing overKristen and over her podcast and
everyone that is listening tothe sound of our voice.
What an honor and a privilege tobe your daughters to share what
you have done in our lives,Lord, to other people that maybe
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are just peeking in, trying todecide if this is for them.
I pray, Lord, that everybodythat hears this would hear you
in a way that they have neverheard you before.
Um, that they would be, thatthere would be an impartation,
Lord, not with the words that wespoke, not just knowledge that
maybe they got or something thatthey heard, but a real deep
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revelation that speaks intotheir spirit, Lord, that
something rises up in them, thatthey would come up to a higher
level, that they would fulfilltheir destiny and their calling,
Lord.
And we pray a special blessingover all the people that are
listening.
And we thank you, Lord, that youcure us and are always there for
us.
It is a privilege to be calledyour daughters and to serve in
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your kingdom.
In Jesus' name.
Amen.
SPEAKER_03 (01:01:04):
Amen.
Well, thank you for being abrave voice who's setting so
many free.
Um, I'm going to close with theHope Unlocked anchoring verse,
which is May the God of hopefill you with all joy.
Joy and peace and believing, sothat by the power of the Holy
Spirit you may abound in hope.
And that's Romans 15, 13.
So thank you again, Josephine.
I will be sure to add all of hercontact information in the show
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notes.
Be sure to reach out to her,follow her on socials.
She's amazing.
And I will be back with anotherepisode next week.
Bye, listeners.
Welcome to the Hope Unlock Podcast.
I'm your host, Kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
I help and empower wild-heartedand adventurous women of faith
feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and
potential, break free fromlimitations, and thrive with
confidence, courage, and hope.
If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
newwinkscoaching.net and be sureto explore the show notes for
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ways to connect with me further.
Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlock hopetogether.
Welcome to the Hope UnlockedPodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me welcome my newfriend, Josephine Ellis, to the
show.
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She is a mutual connection ofour friend Jennifer Reyes, and I
think that's how I say her lastname, Reyes.
Yeah.
And I'm so excited to haveJosephine on today.
I know that she has such anamazing testimony, first of all,
and just even the places thatshe's been walking in lately.
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She is a pioneer and atrailblazer.
So I cannot wait for her toshare more about herself.
So would you tell us a littlebit about yourself before we get
into your story?
SPEAKER_01 (01:29):
Thank you, Kristen.
It's my privilege to be here.
I've been so looking forward tothis.
I've enjoyed listening to yourpodcast with all the wonderful
women that have been on here.
Um so I grew up in India, um,moved to the States, got
married.
I'm a family practice physician.
And then my, you know, I hadplans for my life.
(01:51):
Yeah, but had different plans.
Um, and that's kind of wherethings went.
You know, I thought I um, youknow, I got into the school of
my dreams back in India, gotmarried to someone that was in a
wonderful job.
It was like we were set to bethe power couple, everything was
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going great, and I thought, oh,I'm coming to the land of milk
and honey.
Here we are in the States,life's gonna be good.
Um, didn't go quite the way thatI thought it would.
Um, things fell apart after Icame here.
Um, the marriage did not last,and it left me like I felt like
I was flying high.
And then, you know, like whenyou play snake and ladders, I
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felt like I got bit by the snakeand I was back down to square
one.
Found myself after two children,residency in a completely
foreign country, not knowing alot of people, and I my life was
not what I envisioned.
And um, when I, you know, whensomewhere about like when I was
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a few years into all of this,and I was seeking the Lord and
praying, um, he really met me onthis beach in Wilmington, North
Carolina.
Okay.
I was on the beach by myself fortwo, three days, and I was just
crying out to the Lord at theedge of the water with a Bible,
(03:17):
um, and Chip Ingram's book,which is Where's uh God as He
Longs for You to See Him.
And that was a major milestonein my life, where the Lord
really spoke to me and He gaveme um, you know, what I felt I
needed to hear for the moment tomove forward because I felt I
had completely failed in mylife.
(03:38):
Um, my marriage fell apart, Ihad two young kids, and my
career was okay, but I was stillI still wasn't happy with where
I was in life, and I didn't feelcomplete, and I needed some
answers from the Lord, and thatwas the point where God became
real to me.
Wow, wow.
SPEAKER_03 (03:59):
Now, at that point, like I would love to back up
just a little bit.
Like, what did your faithjourney like look like when
you're growing up?
Like, was it did you come toChrist when you're older as a
child?
Like, what did that look likefor you?
SPEAKER_01 (04:13):
So I was born in India, I grew up there, um,
lived there for the first 25years of my life.
I went to a Christian school, soI knew the Lord.
I mean, we were Christian in ourfamily, we went to church.
Um, there's a huge Christiancommunity.
I don't think people realizethat because there are billions
of people, and even if that's aminority, there's still millions
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of people that know the Lordthere.
So I did scripture reading.
I I was I knew off the Lord, butI didn't really engage with the
Lord as much.
I mean, I grew up in a verysecure um family.
My my mom, my dad, my sister,and I.
I'm the oldest.
It was a very loving family,life was good.
(04:57):
I just went to the Lord when Ineeded something.
He was like the genie there.
I would go right.
I just need this Lord.
It was very transactional, andthat was the end of it.
I didn't really have arelationship.
Um, I didn't, I had I struggleda little to get into med school.
There's a lot of backstory.
I med school was my dream.
(05:18):
I got into my the college of mydreams a year after I wanted to,
and that was like a big setback.
That was the first time I'mlike, okay, I can't do
everything.
There's a God that you know Ineed to go to.
Um, there are forces in theworld that I didn't understand.
That was my first experiencewith that.
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Um, and then the secondexperience was my marriage.
Um, we I had an arrangedmarriage.
I did not, you know, get to, wejust spoke on the phone for
several days.
That is the culture in most ofthe world.
Um, I met my uh then husbandjust the day before I got
married, moved to the US, um,you know, within a week of
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getting married, and everythingfell apart here.
And that's where I reallystarted seeking the Lord because
on the one hand, I hadeverything.
I thought, okay, I'm a doctor,I'm pretty sad, I'm doing well,
but there were things comingagainst me that nobody could
fix.
Um, you know, they I feltpowerless.
(06:26):
And I think that really was myjourney to the Lord.
Because I I think that's true ofmost people.
I think if we found a differentway to fix things, we could.
SPEAKER_03 (06:35):
Right, right.
Well, can I ask you a question?
And I've often thought of this,but I maybe haven't had an
opportunity to ask this questionbefore.
You're you're coming into anarranged marriage.
Did any did anything in you say,I don't want to do this?
Like, what would happen if yousaid no?
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Like, could you have said no?
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_01 (06:59):
Yeah, yeah.
And there were people I said noto.
So it's it's very different.
SPEAKER_03 (07:06):
Like culturally, like, is it it's not not it's
not like you can like hear,like, I'm not really interested.
Like, I'm just curious, like howthat all pans out.
SPEAKER_01 (07:18):
Yeah, it's almost like a job interview when this
happened before.
Like, I mean, you know, theworld is different now, so many
years later, but then it wouldbe we would just have like a um,
we would have like um like a biothat you would give to an
agency, and then the bride sidewould do that, the groom side
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would do that, and then peoplewould get together and say,
Okay, should we move forward?
And then they talk.
And if the parents are okay,then the bride and groom get
together.
It's very different than here,and there is no like emotions or
you know, falling in love.
You fall in love after you getmarried.
Okay, it's it's completely wild.
SPEAKER_03 (08:00):
Now, obviously, like your parents they would did they
have an arranged marriage aswell?
Yeah, and they're still togethernow.
SPEAKER_01 (08:08):
Yeah, they are yeah, they've been married for 52
years and going strong.
SPEAKER_03 (08:12):
Wow.
Have you found that I know I'masking some questions that I'm
I'm just curious about.
Like, have you found many peoplethat um have had arranged
marriages that have worked out,like truly worked out?
SPEAKER_01 (08:27):
Um, a lot of people do.
I don't know the truly workedout part.
I think the more you know theLord and the more you walk with
the Lord, the more the lesslikely you are to accept certain
things because you have been setfree.
And I think that makes thedifference.
Um I think there are a lot ofpeople that do settle down where
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they're at, and they justrealize either I don't have the
fight in me or I'm just gonnacompromise.
Um and I think the journey endsthere, but yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (09:04):
Yeah, it's such a it's so thank you for sharing
more because I I have wonderedand I haven't met anybody that
had an arranged marriage before.
Um, and I'm so thankful to hearthat like it sounds like you had
this moment in Wilmington thatwas like was that a catalyst for
you, you know, reallyexperiencing true freedom then.
SPEAKER_01 (09:25):
Oh, totally, yeah.
I I basically felt like I had achip on my shoulder, and I said,
Lord, what did I ever do todeserve this?
Like lots of people get marriedand they don't end up having a
broken marriage.
And you know, the culture I grewup in, it's a culture that
celebrates um success.
Um, divorce is not success.
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A marriage that is broken is notsuccess.
Um, it's a very Greek culture,like you know, it is like how
well are you doing in yourcareer, and you know, how high
are you flying in terms of life?
Like, and so that was like itfelt like I was a failure.
But on that beach, the Lordreally spoke to my heart because
(10:12):
I had to figure out if this isif this God is true, then there
should be justice.
And this doesn't look likejustice to me, but God's justice
and our justice really the waywe understand things don't mesh
together like that.
Uh, God had to give me anunderstanding of identity and
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purpose and what his plans werefor my life.
Um, I think the biggest thingwas that I had a plan for my
life that really didn't flowwith where God wanted me to go.
This was his way of saying,Josephine, pay attention to me.
Um and I I I think he knewexactly what I needed um to get
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my attention, and that's reallywhat happened.
I think um, I think if I had hada different kind of marriage, I
would have settled in.
I would not have pushed deeper,I would not have had um the fire
that I had.
I think the situation that I wasin, because God knew what he put
in me when he made me, and thecircumstances of my life forced
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me to come up higher and give methe fire for the Lord because I
I wouldn't settle in.
Yeah, I couldn't make peace withwhere I was at.
And I I just needed more.
And really that was it.
That was what drew me to theLord.
That's so amazing.
SPEAKER_03 (11:39):
And was it like, did you feel like you like heard his
voice prior to that moment, orwas that like a a really like
how do you like how did you hearhis voice that day, or or was it
like an impression?
Or I know people might bewondering, like, well, how how
did she know on that particularday?
Like, what did you hearspecifically?
SPEAKER_01 (13:13):
It was like a journey over several years,
right?
I think.
Um, so growing up, I did knowsome scriptures, I memorized
them, I just didn't apply awhole lot of it.
God was very distant.
I had this image of almost likethe school principal where you
get punished if you do somethingwrong.
He was never the loving fatherthat I know him now as.
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Um, it was a completelydifferent relationship.
So through the years, ascircumstances like as I adulted,
yeah, had different things thathappened to me.
Um, you know, that I came to aforeign country.
Initially, I had a lot of visaissues, my marriage was falling
apart, my job was tough, I hadtwo kids that I had to take care
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of.
There was a lot of things that Ireally needed to listen to the
Lord for because there was myissues could not be fixed by
people around me.
So I had to press into the Lord.
And that's when I startedhearing him, because I'd get up
in the morning and spend timewith him, read the word, and
he'd start speaking to me.
And the scriptures would jumpout at me, and the Lord will
(14:19):
start speaking to me when Iheard somebody preach, or I
heard a song and it was speakingto my spirit.
I think the more I invested inmy spirit, the more I heard the
Lord.
I could hear him clearly.
Um, and then there were thingsin my soul, which is the mind,
will, and emotions that uhneeded healing, but I had to get
my spirit right first with theLord.
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And then that brought about thehealing in the soul and then my
physical body.
SPEAKER_03 (14:45):
Yes, that's so good.
I I just love just even howyou're explaining this, because
I I think sometimes people arelike, Well, I don't hear him.
I don't, I just don't hear him.
Have you heard that from peoplebefore?
SPEAKER_01 (14:57):
Oh, totally.
I I've definitely heard that.
And I was in this church beforewhere they did this exercise
that I still remember all theseyears later, um, there was this
lady who basically had her eyesclosed and all of us had to go
speak.
And she could tell who wastalking.
And the only reason she couldtell was because she had a
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relationship with them, she knewwho it was.
And that is the key.
I mean, if you take make thetime and sit down with the Lord,
he will speak to you.
You will know it.
SPEAKER_03 (15:31):
Yeah.
It's it's building thatrelationship.
One thing that you said I reallywant to kind of jump back to a
little bit.
There were things in your lifethat, you know, basically
couldn't be solved by anotherperson.
But during that time of, youknow, a lot of trauma and
turmoil, did you have peoplethat you could talk to?
Did you have people that umweren't necessarily going to
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solve the problem, but did youhave community around you that
you could talk to about whatyou're walking through?
SPEAKER_01 (15:58):
Oh, totally.
Yeah.
The Lord, I I think when I lookback and on where my life has
been, it's amazing to me how theLord knew what I would need and
he had those people at everystep of the way.
Like my parents, the way theyraised me to be strong and
confident and the love that theyhad, have, continue to have for
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me, the way they raised me.
I think that was so crucial inthe years of like how I was
growing up that it kept mestrong through the years of
where things were verydifficult.
And then my uncle is myspiritual father.
He, when I went through a lot ofstuff, I remember I was at my
uncle's house and I waslistening to this preacher from
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India.
He was teaching about Elroy, theGod that sees you, and about how
uh Hagar and Ishmael and howHagar cries out to the Lord, and
he makes a way for her and forIshmael.
And I remember it broke me whenI listened to that because I was
in a similar place in my lifewhere I felt nobody could take
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care of things.
And I'm like, Lord, if you cantake care of her, surely you see
me.
And that's how that was one ofmy first interactions with the
Lord.
And my uncle and my aunt spenthours pouring into me.
Um, I got connected with achurch that was very prophetic.
I got my feet wet, where we getinto these worship uh sessions
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where the spirit of the Lordwould move amazingly, and I
would feel the Lord speak to me.
I remember at the first churchservice I went to, I cried like
a baby.
And I hated when the when thepreacher said, Oh, everybody get
up and greet each other.
I'm like, I don't want to greetanyone.
Not yet.
SPEAKER_03 (17:42):
I'm like crying.
My makeup's all messy.
I don't want to do this.
Let me transition a little bit.
Oh, wow.
I mean, have you noticed thatthough?
Like you're you're having thismoment with the Lord, and it's
really hard to transition fromlike, okay, we we can't move
from this moment yet.
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Like you're in that moment.
It's like, okay, now move on tothe next thing.
SPEAKER_01 (18:06):
You're like, wait, wait.
Yeah, totally, totally.
SPEAKER_03 (18:11):
So you had um, is your uncle in the states then?
SPEAKER_01 (18:15):
Yes, he's in the states and he's in California,
he's a full-time minister.
SPEAKER_00 (18:19):
Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_01 (18:20):
Was all all around the world preaching, and yeah,
he led me to the Lordpowerfully.
I knew of the Lord, but hisimpact was great in my life.
Um I wouldn't be where I amwithout all the hours that they
spent.
That's so amazing.
Praying me through.
SPEAKER_03 (18:37):
Yeah.
So what age did you like whenwhen did you have that like um
you know, moment, I would say,like that really started to
change the trajectory of yourlife?
SPEAKER_01 (18:49):
So I was 25 when I came to the States, and um, I
was just married, had a childlike a year or so later.
I was trying to navigate thehealthcare system here.
So through those years, it waslike between 25 and 30, that's
when I started really pressinginto the Lord because life was
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getting harder for me.
And I needed to hear himclearly.
By the time I was 30, I think umit was things were at its worst.
Um, my second child, my son, wasborn in the middle of residency.
Um I really, really needed tohear the Lord.
And a year after that, mymarriage fell apart.
So that as my world was breakingdown around me, my spirit was
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going growing stronger with theLord.
Um, and that that's the starkcontrast, right?
Because you think you're goingdown with everything that's
happening around you, but theLord is building you up the
right way.
SPEAKER_03 (19:47):
Yes, that's so true.
Can you can you say that again?
I feel like somebody reallyneeds to grab onto that.
SPEAKER_01 (19:53):
Well, no matter how it looks around you in the
physical, the Lord is buildingyour spirit up, even in the
midst of all the chaos that yousee.
And that's what he did for me.
And I'm sure he's gonna do itfor whoever's listening to this.
SPEAKER_03 (20:06):
Yes, yes.
We mentioned, like we weretalking a little bit before we
got started, and you mentionedyour your lifeline verse.
Was that something that cameduring that season?
SPEAKER_01 (20:19):
Yeah, I was seeking the Lord for my marriage.
Um, we went to a counselor, Iwas fasting and praying, and I
will I was desperately hopingthe marriage would be restored.
And at that time, the verse thatcame to me was Isaiah 43:19
Behold, I do a new thing.
Um, do you not perceive it?
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Uh, I will make roadways in thewilderness and rivers in the
desert.
And at that time, I thought itwould be the restoration of my
marriage because that's what Iwanted desperately.
I wanted things to work out so Icould go back to my life.
I had a plan.
Right.
And it didn't quite work outthat way.
And it truly was a new thingthat the Lord was doing in each
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season in my life.
Um, the while the marriage fellapart, and there was a season of
where I had to work on myself, Ihad to go through a lot of
healing.
Um, Lord helped me actually knowwho I am.
I think identity is key.
In preparation for what he wouldwant me to speak on today, I was
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I was seeking the Lord, and it'sthat same chapter in Isaiah, um,
Isaiah 43, the first verse talksabout Jacob, how Jacob was
formed, um, but Israel wascreated.
And I feel like when I was born,I had an identity.
My parents named me, had a planfor me.
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I had a plan for myself.
But when I came to the end ofmyself, and there was a moment
where I had to ask the Lord, whoam I, Lord?
Why am I going through thesethings?
What is my purpose here?
That's when I feel um I wastransformed and he was creating
me to be who I'm supposed to be,giving me glimpses of that.
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Um, so Jacob the deceiverbecomes Israel, um, you know,
who then has all the 12 tribesthat come out of him.
That story is so beautiful abouthow he goes from that.
And I had to laugh.
I was reading it this morningbecause when Jacob first
interacts with the Lord, it'salso transactional.
Well, he says, Oh, you do allthis for me, Lord, and I'll do
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this for you.
Like you can do things.
And I was that, I was totallythat.
I'd be telling the Lord, oh, youdo this for me, and I'll do this
for you, and we're good.
SPEAKER_03 (22:39):
Yeah, yes.
Well, and I just, you know,based on like everything you're
sharing, I think so many peoplemaybe are even in that season
right now where um this journeyof you know, surrender and like
I do talk to a lot of peoplethat are like, I don't really
know my identity, like hisidentity for me.
I don't really know his purposefor me.
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So based on like, I would loveto hear based on, you know, as
you're growing up, like who didyou think you were and who did
he now show you you are?
Like who who's Josephinecompared to who you were before
and what did he create you for?
That contrast.
SPEAKER_01 (23:20):
So when I was growing up, I my goal was to be
a doctor, and then I got marriedum to an engineer when I first
moved here.
And so my view of who I was wasdifferent.
Um, and Josephine literallymeans the Lord will increase.
Wow.
I I had no idea what that was.
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My life certainly didn't looklike anything was increasing
when I, you know, um startedgetting serious with the Lord.
My world was falling apart, mymarriage was broken, um, I
wasn't doing well.
I had, you know, I had visaissues, I had things that were
totally mind-blowing for me.
And I thought, where is theincrease, Lord?
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Right.
But as the Lord rebuilt me to bewho I am, I'm not defined by the
failures that happened in mylife.
Um, you know, there were thingsI did that were not right, and
there were things that uh my myhusband then did that were not
right.
Um, but God takes all thosebroken pieces where you make a
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mess of things and he redeemsyou.
And I think that is the story.
My the identity I have in theLord is my story of redemption.
That what wherever I was, I am adaughter of the king and I am
not destroyed by my past.
Um the Lord has rebuilt me to besomebody that can be um that can
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give hope to people like me.
Like, I mean, if you were flyinghigh, or even if you weren't, if
you've had major failures inyour life, God can take every
broken piece and put it togetherlike you can't believe it.
And that story of redemption isour identity.
I mean, the Jesus coming to theworld to redeem the world that
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Adam destroyed, and that that isall the gospel is about.
I mean, knowing who we are andtaking back what the enemy has
stolen.
Um, whether it's your health orwhether it's your life in you
know, in all of that.
I my other favorite scripture isJohn 10:10.
SPEAKER_02 (25:28):
Um, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (25:30):
It the abundant life, that's what we're called
to live.
My identity and all of ouridentity that know the Lord is
in the abundant life.
But I feel most of our journey,wherever we start, is walking
towards that identity.
And once you know who you are inthe Lord, then your purpose
becomes very clear.
Um, but getting to thatidentity, that is a challenge.
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Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (25:55):
So, you know, speaking of even just the work
that you do, like as aphysician, I would say like a
healer.
Um, and now he's been um, youknow, showing you more about
your identity and the ways thathe's created you.
Um, have you realized anythingon this journey that um, you
know, in the work that you'redoing, has he shown you anything
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since you've had this likeawakening, I guess you could
say?
SPEAKER_01 (26:21):
Mm-hmm.
So when I started becoming apart of the church, it was it
was fascinating to me thatpeople really didn't want what I
was offering.
I most people didn't want themedications.
They'd be like, nope, I'm good.
Uh give me something else.
So I started looking at otheralternatives, and that's how I
got into lifestyle medicine, um,which is food as medicine, but
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that didn't quite cut it.
And then I started looking atintegrative medicine, which
looks as the at the body as awhole, um the spirit, soul, and
body piece.
And I found that some the churchdoes very good with the spirit
and soul part, not so good withthe body part.
And the secular world doesreally good with the body part,
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they don't focus on the spiritand soul as much, but you need
all of it.
Yeah, if your spirit is notright, it doesn't matter how
many pills I give you or howmany miles you run, uh, you
definitely wouldn't thrive likeyou should.
And that's what I see a lot inthe healthcare system.
We, you know, we're limited bywhat we can do.
We can't really heal the wholeperson like that, um, where you
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touch the spirit, soul, and bodyparts.
SPEAKER_03 (27:32):
Yes, that is I I can imagine how challenging it would
be because I I I was in you knowthe healthcare system for quite
some time.
And I just love um even since Iwas young, I've always been into
like health and wellness andjust love researching
everything.
And then I had kind of anawakening moment years ago where
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you know there was differentthings, and I was being kind of
flung around the system, told Icouldn't have kids, and I have
two, you know, young men, andjust realizing that there was um
like root cause.
Like, what why are you giving mea medicine?
Like I started questioningbecause I was like, well, I
didn't go to school to be adoctor.
This was my my process for along time.
Like, I didn't go to school fora doctor, and I just am gonna
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trust that somebody is knowingwhat the best case scenario is
for me.
And then unfortunately withmedicine, it's like, okay, well,
one medicine has a side effect,so then you need another
medicine for the side effect,and then it just kind of becomes
this domino effect.
And I just did a lot ofresearch, and I just love I call
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it the supernatural side ofwellness, where literally it's
supernatural, but it's alsosupernatural.
Where I learned even through um,you know, a diagnosis of
Hashimoto's that you can helpreverse things with foods and
different lifestyle things.
And I was just fascinated.
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Um, what I guess what would besomething that you've learned
along the way?
Kind of you you've got a very uminteresting perspective because
you're literally in, you know,what I'm saying, like what has
been the most um fascinatingpiece that you've learned along
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the way um since kind oflearning more about the
integrative side.
SPEAKER_01 (29:28):
Um so the challenge I see now for where we're at is
that we're in the age ofinformation.
There is like so muchinformation.
Like, I mean, you couldliterally ask Chat GPT anything,
and it's mind-blowing theanswers it gives you.
You could search out anything,but I don't think we are made to
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just have that information, butthat information has to become
revelation for you.
How does that apply to you?
Um, that personalized medicine,right?
Like, okay, in general, ifsomebody comes in, like um, you
know, they have migraines oracid reflux, and they're I'm
giving them medication for that.
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And I would just give themmedication before, but now I ask
people a lot more like, what'syour life like?
What do you eat?
What stresses are you dealingwith?
Um, so the medicine will takecare of the symptom, but where
is the source of everythingcoming?
Um, and that I think is key.
I think where we're movingforward, understanding um that
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there is like the root of someof everything you may be dealing
with maybe somewhere else.
I think that for me as someonethat diagnoses and treats,
that's very fascinating to me.
It's like peeling the layers ofan onion.
That people come in with acomplaint, and then I start
digging.
Okay, so let's do this, youknow, let's like fatigue.
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I see people all the time, brainfog fatigue.
So we go down blood work, we dosleep study, you know, we look
at are you depressed?
Are you anxious?
And there's a lot of things thatcome out in that process.
And sometimes there's peoplethat have like a thyroid issue.
Or they're anemic, or you know,there's a reason for the
fatigue, or they have sleepapnea where they're not sleeping
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good and they're tired the nextday.
But sometimes it's somethingdeeper.
They're just not satisfied.
Your spirit is not at peace.
And there is a soul sicknessbecause there are things, there
have been things that havehappened to you in your life
that no medicine is going tofix.
You, you know, like, and if youdon't take care of it earlier in
life, then you definitely see itlater on, where people struggle
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with who they are and they can'teven verbalize it.
And that to me is the mostfascinating part of medicine,
trying to solve that puzzle.
Is it a physical piece?
Is it a soul, is it a spiritpiece?
And then how do we fix it?
SPEAKER_03 (31:59):
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, I love that you know, youhave you've you go deeper with
people.
Um, I don't know.
I've I've been I've always justbeen really fascinated and so
thankful if you find like aphysician or a physician's
assistant or somebody who'swilling to like sit down with
you longer.
Um, my son has an eye doctor,and I try to make the
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appointment in the morning rightaway because she'll just like
talk with you and ask morequestions and want to know more.
Um, you know, for example, youknow, my physician's assistant,
she sits longer, will askquestions, dig deeper, because
she she's she's got the youknow, Western medicine, but she
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also has that integrative side,which I'm so thankful for
because that's where the healinghappens, I believe.
SPEAKER_01 (32:51):
Totally.
Would you say?
I yeah, um, I think it waseye-opening for me doing
integrative medicine and umgetting a taste of different um
ways of medicine, like Ayurvedicor homeopathic, or it's
interesting how different fieldsof medicine look at how the body
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is and how they integrateeverything.
And I feel like we're we're kindof very narrow when it comes to
us here.
We just focus on a few things,and we definitely have to expand
beyond that um and look at thebigger picture.
I feel that's where medicine isgoing.
And for that, I'm excited.
SPEAKER_03 (33:31):
Yes, I do too.
Like I just keep, I just keephaving this vision of like
parallel systems coming up, evenlike a parallel system of health
insurance.
Like I had somebody, a friend ofmine, she said, I don't I don't
have health insurance.
I have health assurance from theLord.
I'm like, that is a word rightthere.
SPEAKER_01 (33:51):
It is, it is.
That's awesome.
SPEAKER_03 (33:53):
Um, you know, just even something that would maybe
reward you for, you know, havingyou know, lifestyle of you know
working out and eating well andnot having to pay like thousands
of dollars each month for youknow what I mean?
Wouldn't that be great?
SPEAKER_01 (34:10):
That would be great.
That would be great.
I would love that.
Yeah, it's hard to even envisionthat world.
I know, considering where weare, but yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (34:21):
So what are you looking most forward to?
Like as you because how muchlonger do you have in school?
SPEAKER_01 (34:28):
Um, so I'm doing my fellowship.
I graduate in uh January.
Um and after that I'll be ableto incorporate more of that.
Um I still plan to be in familypractice doing my regular job,
but I'm branching into coachingwith integrative medicine so I
can talk about you know theother aspects that I don't get
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to talk in the in the clinic.
Um, so I have, yeah, I'm almostat the end.
So it's been very interesting.
SPEAKER_03 (35:00):
And there's like there's no problem with you
doing your own coaching and yourown business outside of that,
right?
Correct.
Yeah, which is amazing.
So, how about your vision forthat?
SPEAKER_01 (35:10):
So, my vision for that is um spending time with
people and trying to figure out,you know, what why you're stuck
where you're stuck.
So I've had an issue with myweight most of my life.
Um, I've dropped the weight,gained the weight.
I never could like keep it off.
But a lot of what I was dealingwith, and I had to go really
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deep into like I would doeverything they're telling me to
do in seasons.
You know, I had my moments whereI wouldn't do stuff, um, but
tracking your calories, doingweight watchers, exercising,
taking medication, and still notseeing the scale budge at all.
But a lot of it for me was theway I viewed food.
I had a very unhealthyrelationship with food, and I
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had some limiting beliefs of howI needed to eat three times a
day, or you know, like was fromgrowing up, that's the way I
was.
I had to eat, or if I somethingbad would happen, and I would
literally get like hangry if Idon't eat.
I had to dig deeper and figurethat part out, and I think that
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really was liberating for me.
So for me, it was um it was theemotional part of it, it was
identifying the specifictriggers and then realizing
you're not going to die if youdon't eat the meal, and actually
figuring out my hunger cues andbringing those back.
So I eat when I'm hungry, Idon't have to eat three meals a
day.
I nourish my body with goodthings, not just things that
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make me um feel good for themoment, but then I'm gonna
regret later.
It was a whole mindset shiftthat that helped me the most.
And so I'm very interested inhelping other people that maybe
are stuck because I can relateto people that struggle with a
lot of things, and they may noteven know what's really holding
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them back because they may nothave processed through that.
Um, that that's the fun part ofmedicine.
That's exciting.
SPEAKER_03 (37:07):
Like, so you've seen a lot of breakthrough just even
in your own body, like releasingthe weight.
Is that kind of what's happenednow?
SPEAKER_01 (37:16):
Yes, yeah.
I've been working at it.
Um, and it is really the mindsetfor me.
And there's always this fear ofLord, am I gonna have a bad day?
But it's okay to have a bad dayand come right back.
Yeah, it's not gonna be perfect,right?
SPEAKER_03 (37:32):
But what would be a bad day?
Like what can constitutes a badday?
SPEAKER_01 (37:36):
Where I don't have any control and I eat the things
that I want to eat that don'tmake me feel good.
Like I, you know, Indian cookingis very much carb-heavy.
Um, it's not, I mean, you canbalance the stuff.
So I have a taste for certainthings.
So finding those things here andmaking the meal that would be um
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more nutritionally balanced is achallenge.
And with my life being busy, Ihave to prep ahead of time.
Um, so if I'm if you're reallylike set in how you're going to
eat and what you're going toeat, sometimes that's a
challenge.
So I have to prep I have to beflexible and give myself some
grace on days when it doesn't goso well, and then I'll start the
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next day.
So where I'm like eating, youknow, whatever leftover I have
because that's all I have.
Yeah, all the time I have forthat.
SPEAKER_03 (38:25):
Yeah.
Well, I'm just kind of curioussince you do have you know a
fuller lifestyle and you'regoing to school, you you're, you
know, a doctor, and you're Idon't know how old are your kids
now?
SPEAKER_01 (38:37):
Um, they're my daughter will be, she was born
in 2001.
So she'll be 24 this year, andmy son is he'll be 21 next year.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (38:50):
So you're not like having to really take care of
them at this point anymore.
SPEAKER_01 (38:53):
Well, okay.
They're young adults, which is abeautiful thing, right?
So my husband fends for himselffor a lot of days, so I'm not
forced to cook, which also takesthe burden away from what am I
gonna cook for dinner?
What am I gonna eat for lunch?
SPEAKER_03 (39:08):
Right, right.
So, how do you like youmentioned kind of getting
yourself prepped for, you know,I don't know how long you're at
at work, but um, what would yourecommend to somebody who, you
know, I'm just thinking ofsomebody who's like, I don't
have time to eat healthy.
I just don't, I don't have timeto eat healthy, I don't I don't
even know what to make, I don'tknow what to do.
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You know, our our grocery storeskind of bombard you with package
convenience frozen foods.
How would you help somebody tolike kind of view things in a
different light?
SPEAKER_01 (39:42):
Yeah, so I have come to realize that the way that you
were raised and how you viewthings plays a huge part in
that.
So I'm not going to shiftsomebody right away.
So you pick one thing and youwork on it little by little.
So for me, it has to taste goodand I have to be able to get it
really quick.
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Yeah.
If those two things are notthere, I'm probably not gonna
keep doing it.
So I have decided for me, I'mgonna work on the three to five
fruits and vegetables in a day.
Some days that's a smoothie,some days that's the raw
vegetables and fruits.
So then I don't have to do awhole lot.
It's easy.
I shop over the weekend and Ijust take that, and then I'll
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figure out what I'm gonna do forthe lunch and dinner.
Um, I also work on my eight cupsof water.
I don't think any of us know howmuch water we need, but at least
that.
Yeah, those healthy habits likethat, and I try not to eat
processed.
I'm very, very uh sensitive tosugar.
Um, you know, it it's not good,and sugar isn't everything.
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Um you really do have to becareful, but then I won't give
up my coffee.
I love my coffee.
I have to be careful.
So I don't put sugar, I justhave like uh cream in it.
Um, so it's like you know,letting my taste buds getting
used to something else andseeing how I like that.
It's giving yourself grace andjust picking one thing and
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working on that for however longit takes to master it, and then
picking a new goal.
Um, it works great if you havelike an accountability partner
or somebody that's you knowthere for you, then you tend to
do it much better, but you coulddo it alone just by yourself,
you depending on how motivatedyou are.
SPEAKER_03 (41:32):
Yeah, well, I love that, like just the grace over
it as well, and then and justthis reminder to people like it
takes time, right?
It's not an overnight, like whatI'm hearing you say is don't try
to like go into your kitchen andyour refrigerator and like throw
everything away and start likejust go to the grocery store and
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overhaul everything.
Like, there's a process to this,right?
Kind of this pace of grace,okay.
One thing at a time, masterthat.
I would agree.
Like, I kind of went throughthat myself years ago.
Um, I I don't like a lot of likeout there the dye, like diet,
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like spell dye tea.
Like, no, I don't I don't reallywant to like just eat plain
boring food.
Like it, like you said, it hasto taste good.
And you can make food that isextremely nourishing for your
body.
And wouldn't you say it, ittakes at least for me.
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I ended up buying a bunch ofspices.
I never really used spices whenI first like started cooking and
got married and started findingrecipes.
I'm like, oh my gosh, it needs aspice.
Yeah, salt and pepper.
SPEAKER_01 (42:48):
Let's do something about that.
Would you say too?
Oh, totally.
Growing up in India, we hadspices galore.
My food has a ton of spices init, ginger, garlic, turmeric,
everything that decreasesinflammation, that's great for
your body.
Um, so I grew up on that, I lovethat.
But those formative years whereyou're growing up, how you view
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food, what your family ate, thatis like ingrained in you.
So if you're going to godifferent than how you were
raised, it's going to take alot.
And I think that's the part thatsometimes people don't
understand and they think theyfail, but you will get there.
It's just going to take time toget to where you want to be.
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It's definitely not happeningovernight.
And it shouldn't set unrealisticgoals.
SPEAKER_03 (43:36):
Yes.
Well, what would be this is aquestion because I love I love
Indian food.
Um, what would be like afavorite recipe that you've put
together that is reallynourishing for your body?
That you've maybe kind of liketaken something that was one
thing, but you kind of flippedit to be really nourishing and
delicious and also you knowhelpful to your body?
SPEAKER_01 (43:59):
So I love eating a lot of vegetables.
Um I grew up in South India.
We had very different spices.
We use like tamarind, which hasthis tangy taste.
I there is it's not so there'sthings I like that are not
nourishing, but that are morelike soul food on rice that are
bad.
And then there are things that Ihave turned into really good
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things that are balanced.
So um, around Thanksgiving, Idon't, I'm not a huge fan of
turkey, but I can do groundturkey.
So I make this one pot meal ofground turkey, which has ginger,
garlic, turmeric, um, andonions, and every spice that I
can think of, like coriander andcumin.
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Um, and you put a bunch of umveggies in it and the ground
turmeric, and you know, find thebest meat that you are
comfortable with.
And that's a one-pot meal thatyou can do with either bread or
rice that I would feel goodabout eating because it has all
the veggies in it, it has yourprotein in it, and it has the
spices in it.
And it's simple to make and ittastes great.
SPEAKER_03 (45:05):
I love it.
Um, and it sounds pretty simpletoo.
It is, it's how long, how longdoes it take you to make it,
would you say?
SPEAKER_01 (45:12):
Not long, 20-25 minutes.
If the turkey is, you know, likethe ground turkey is thought out
and stuff, then it doesn't takelong at all.
SPEAKER_03 (45:19):
Yeah.
I mean, would you say people arelike, I don't have time for
that?
I just don't have time for that.
SPEAKER_01 (45:24):
Um, sure, but um, I like I tell people the biggest
investment is you.
Yes.
You have to invest in you.
Um, like I tell my patients allthe time, I mean, I can give you
all these medications to sustainyou, but you're not really
thriving.
And you have to make time forthose things that matter.
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And you don't have to take a lotof time.
Maybe you can't do the groundturkey.
Can you throw things in ablender and do a smoothie?
Um, can you do it on theweekends so you have at least
one meal you're going to do goodwith?
Like, you know, what do you likeeating that's good and fresh
that you can put together thatmaybe for a month you just work
on one meal a day and then youfigure out other things that you
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can get right?
So you just have to pick whatworks for you, your taste buds,
and your lifestyle, but youcan't bypass investing in you.
You have to make time for you.
That's such a word.
Say that again.
Um, you can't bypass investingin you, you have to make time
for you.
SPEAKER_03 (46:27):
Yeah.
And I want to stress, you haveto make time.
Like make time.
Literally, you have to set asidethe time.
We all have time.
Look at, I mean, I remembersomebody was like, go look at
your phone and see like how manyhours you're spending on YouTube
or social media, or I mean,because that that's really that
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that's our world right now,right?
We're kind of like sucked intothe phone.
Pull yourself away.
Um, what did you say?
Like, we we actually have time.
SPEAKER_01 (46:59):
We do.
I and I have had to put the donot disturb, um, you know, the
focus.
I have to set the focus where Idon't get any notifications at
work because it's verydistracting.
And I can't tell you how manypeople come thinking they have
ADD because they can't shut thephone off.
Um and it's crazy to me.
But they would go on amedication and you know, go that
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route rather than actually.
Now, some people definitely havean issue and they need to be on
medications, but not everyone.
I feel like if there'salternatives to medicine, then
you want to go that route first.
Um, so that is one of the ways Ihave to shut that down.
Like, I think whatever yourpersonality is, for me, I
remember there was one timewhere I was so busy, I had to
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literally put do laundry insteadof time on it because I couldn't
get to it.
I I actually do that.
That is pretty bad.
I that was like a I mean, that'sthat's good that if you get to
it, but that was just notgetting done in my life at that
season to do that.
So I have to make time, unless Iput time down and say, I'm gonna
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do this in this place on thisday, it never happens.
Like I show up at work and theyget you know so many hours with
me.
Um, I have to make time on myschedule and say, I'm gonna do
this for me until you get tothat place, you're not quite
ready to make the change.
So that's going to be harder.
SPEAKER_03 (48:27):
Yes.
Well, being that you're doingall the work that you're doing
and you're you're helping somany people, how how do you rest
in your life?
What does that look like foryou?
SPEAKER_01 (48:39):
My favorite thing to do is spending time with the
Lord.
I think that that makes me happyin a place that I can't even
begin to describe.
Um, you know, like just gettingquiet with the Lord and um
letting him love on you.
Um that nourishes my spirit andreading scriptures or you know,
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like the promises that he'sgiven me through the years or
difficult seasons that I havebeen through where he's come
through for me, you know, likehow David after Ziklag had to
strengthen himself in the Lord.
He had to go back and rememberthe things the Lord did.
I love doing that for my spirit.
Um, for my soul, which is mymind, will, and emotions, I have
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to process things out with theLord when something bad happens,
or I didn't, I don't always likethe way the Lord does things.
I'll come right out and saythat.
I understand, yes.
Sometimes they don't make sense,right?
SPEAKER_03 (49:39):
No, it doesn't in our in our playbook.
SPEAKER_01 (49:42):
Yeah, totally.
I agree with that.
I I have to sit down with theLord and say, I really didn't
like the way that went.
I felt like, like even you know,my marriage that fell apart for
years I would have dreams of mebeing like naked and exposed
before people because that's howI felt.
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I felt like I wasn't in a goodplace, like I was exposed with
what happened to me in my life.
But that I had to process thatthrough with the Lord.
There is, you know, like thosethings were allowed to happen
for a purpose in my life, someof which are still being
revealed.
And I had to get to the placewhere I was not bitter or angry
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about it and accepted that Godknows best.
So that process, like I I havehad to work through where I just
want to go worship because mysoul is like stuck and I'm angry
with the Lord.
But then I started processing.
Okay, if I don't talk to him,it's not going to get better.
So I will definitely say I'mmuch better than I used to be,
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where I just there there areseasons like there was a season
where like two or three peopledied that I did not like around
COVID.
It totally broke me.
And I the those seasons ofprocessing and worshiping with
the Lord was just tears.
All I did was just cry in hispresence.
And you know, there was a seasonI had to walk through that, and
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then I got better.
And then I I love for thephysical um body part, I love
just taking walks.
It's a beautiful time of theyear, the leaves are turning,
it's crisp but not cold yet,like that.
Um, and there's you know, falleverywhere.
I I it's taken me a long journeyto enjoy the season that I'm in
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because I used to dread fallbefore.
So I just have different thingsI try to do.
Um, but a lot of it I being outof nature makes me very aware of
the Lord and the seasons thatwe're in.
So I just have to find differentthings to nourish my spirit,
soul, and body.
That's what I like doing.
SPEAKER_03 (51:45):
That's beautiful.
I love how you like even haveit, you know, it's not just kind
of a covering, but you're likenarrowing it down to each like
the spirit, soul, body.
That's beautiful because wewe're we're different aspects,
different aspects need differentthings, right?
Surely, yes.
Yeah, right.
So, what is um, I don't know, Ifeel like just asking you like,
(52:05):
what is your favorite worshipsong lately that you've had on
repeat?
SPEAKER_01 (52:11):
Oh, every season the Lord wakes me up with a
different song.
Um you know, my mom had surgerynot that long ago, and there was
a song, it's an Indian song,that he gave me in my spirit,
which is about you know theseasons of life that we're in.
A few years ago, my dad hadsurgery, and there was a song
for that season.
Lately, I've been the songthat's been coming to me a lot
(52:34):
is um No Longer a Slave to Fear.
SPEAKER_02 (52:39):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (52:40):
That is so powerful.
And I think it's Zach Meredith,I think that's who it is.
He sings it in a prison.
And I feel like that uh is theseason, it really resonates with
me, like the season where slavesare set free, where oppressed
are like coming to a differentrealization of who they really
are, not bound by thecircumstances that you're in,
(53:03):
but really seeing yourselfthrough the eyes of the Lord and
the fantastic future that existsfor you, like Ephesians 3.20, we
were talking about before.
SPEAKER_03 (53:15):
Absolutely.
And then this, like when I wastelling you about like Amos
9:13, I feel like we're in theseason of like specifically in
the message version, it's likethings are gonna happen so fast
your head's gonna swim.
Like blessings upon blessings,and you know, things that maybe
you've been waiting for for likefor me, and in kind of I'm in
(53:35):
the middle of a miracle, andI've been waiting for for
something for a couple decades,and all of a sudden, you know,
it's just like this, all of asudden, like you said, it's like
I I couldn't make this up.
And and you know, just even kindof going into the question that
I I would ask sometimes over theyears of like, why, like, why
(53:56):
me?
You know, like why me?
And I'm sure all of you who arelistening have had those
questions, and Josephine has hadthose questions, but ultimately
when you've asked God thatquestion of why me, how has he
responded to you?
SPEAKER_01 (54:10):
Um, different answers in different seasons.
Um, I think when I was reallybroken in my marriage, I
remember crying out to the Lordand saying, I see all these
people around me that have greatmarriages and they don't even
know you.
How am I?
Why am I going through this?
And you won't believe it.
(54:31):
20 years later, I ran into thesame person that I had talked to
the Lord about.
Marriage really wasn't doingwell.
And not that, you know, so I'mnot saying that um that there's
anything to celebrate in that,but you look at life, you can't
just look at one moment in yourlife and question it.
(54:53):
God knows the beginning and theend.
And it's a journey, right?
I mean, if you look at somebodylike Joseph, you take one moment
of his life, there he is, hisdad's favorite, his brothers
hate him.
The next minute he's like insome place where he's falsely
accused, and then more peoplethat betray him, the baker, and
(55:14):
um, you know, like moving on.
So it your life is amasterpiece, and you can't just
look at one point in your life.
And through the through my walkwith the Lord, what I have
understood is that He's alwaysthere for me, and there's a
bigger picture, there's a biggerpurpose.
(55:35):
There's a purpose bigger thanmyself.
There's a kingdom uh reason I'mhere on the earth.
Um, and even medical studiesshow that people that have that
kind of belief system that theytend to do better in their
health, they live longer, um,thrive when you look at it like
that.
So um, why me in differentseasons of my life has been
(55:59):
different things?
Um, right now I feel like he'sputting the whole integrative
spirit, soul, body piece.
So if there are people that arewhere I was in life, where you
felt like a failure and thefuture looked bleak, um, it is
the season to bring everythingto the Lord and watch him redeem
it for you.
(56:20):
Um the season of redemption,it's a season of acceleration,
it's the season.
If you've been sowing, this isthe season of harvest.
You're gonna see everything cometo them.
SPEAKER_03 (56:32):
Yes, I've been like contemplating and just like
sitting on that for like thelast two months for sure.
I'm like, okay, like this isactually like we're actually in
that time for sure.
Um, well, I would love for youto share.
Um, what how can people get intouch with you?
First of all, for those who areinterested in working with you
(56:53):
and coaching, like what would bethe best way for them to reach
out to you?
SPEAKER_01 (56:57):
So you can email me at uh lifewithdoctorelis at
gmail.com.
I believe I shared that withyou.
It should be in your show notes.
And then there's my website umwith the same um
lifewithdoctorlis.com.
But email would be the best wayto get a hold of me.
SPEAKER_03 (57:18):
Okay, sounds great.
Well, I am so excited for youand your journey, and thank you
so much for sharing likeeverything you've shared today.
I know it has not been, youknow, an easy journey, but I do
believe that um, you know, thoseof us who've walked through so
much, we have an opportunity toturn around and help others
(57:39):
through, right?
As kind of the trailblazers,we've been cut up a little bit
along the way, but we get toclear a path for others that are
coming behind us.
So thank you for doing that.
Thank you for your yes.
Um, it has generationalimplications that you probably
have no idea about yet, right?
Yeah.
Um, so I would love for you toshare.
Um, as I've mentioned before,those of you who listen to the
(58:01):
show, I do this for the one, andobviously I believe there's
others who are listening besidesone.
But could you just get in mindthat one who's listening in
today?
And did you have anything elsethat you'd want to share with
them?
Um, any words of encouragementor wisdom that you'd just like
to speak over them today?
And then would you pray us out?
SPEAKER_01 (58:20):
Yes.
Um first of all, it's been aprivilege, Kristen.
Thank you.
What a joy you are to um thekingdom and what you do for
women that listen in andeverybody, right?
I mean, it's it's such a joy tohear your story and the story of
all your guests.
Um when I look back at my life,I see how the Lord carried me.
(58:46):
And um, one of my favoritescriptures is um, I carried you
on eagle's wings and brought youto myself.
So if you're going through adifficult season in your life,
could it be that the Lord iscarrying you and you're just not
seeing it?
And I my prayer for people thatare listening in today is to
(59:10):
have God's perspective on theirsituation and not what they see
with naturalized, but what God'sspirit is showing you, despite
what you see in the natural, um,to see yourself as God sees you.
Um, and and to nobody but theLord Himself who made you can
(59:31):
tell you who you are and whatyour purpose is in life.
And I pray that people press inand are able to hear the Lord's
voice loud and clear so they canunlock their destiny and their
purpose.
Amen.
So good.
SPEAKER_03 (59:50):
Will you pray us out?
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (59:53):
Happy to.
Thank you, Lord.
What an amazing time we had.
Lord, I pray a blessing overKristen and over her podcast and
everyone that is listening tothe sound of our voice.
What an honor and a privilege tobe your daughters to share what
you have done in our lives,Lord, to other people that maybe
(01:00:14):
are just peeking in, trying todecide if this is for them.
I pray, Lord, that everybodythat hears this would hear you
in a way that they have neverheard you before.
Um, that they would be, thatthere would be an impartation,
Lord, not with the words that wespoke, not just knowledge that
maybe they got or something thatthey heard, but a real deep
(01:00:38):
revelation that speaks intotheir spirit, Lord, that
something rises up in them, thatthey would come up to a higher
level, that they would fulfilltheir destiny and their calling,
Lord.
And we pray a special blessingover all the people that are
listening.
And we thank you, Lord, that youcure us and are always there for
us.
It is a privilege to be calledyour daughters and to serve in
(01:01:01):
your kingdom.
In Jesus' name.
Amen.
SPEAKER_03 (01:01:04):
Amen.
Well, thank you for being abrave voice who's setting so
many free.
Um, I'm going to close with theHope Unlocked anchoring verse,
which is May the God of hopefill you with all joy.
Joy and peace and believing, sothat by the power of the Holy
Spirit you may abound in hope.
And that's Romans 15, 13.
So thank you again, Josephine.
I will be sure to add all of hercontact information in the show
(01:01:26):
notes.
Be sure to reach out to her,follow her on socials.
She's amazing.
And I will be back with anotherepisode next week.
Bye, listeners.
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