August 11, 2025 • 45 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
What Up Party? People, Welcome back to another episode of
Hopskeek News. You're home for comic books, movies, TV shows,
and typically we do feature a beer of the week.
I am Matt with me as always is Lauren. Today
we are going to talk about the Eyes of Wakanda,
the four episodes that premiered on Disney Plus last week.
You know Mark barnardin actually, if you know that name,
he's often seen with Kevin Smith. He's done a lot
of really great comic books and other great screenwritings. He
(00:49):
actually was one of the writers and executive producers on
this and he was saying how the writer's room started
back in twenty twenty, so this has been a long cooming.
Finally out it is good to go. But first things first,
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(01:10):
we go into quick what this our beer? This is
how it matches the week, what we're reading or watching,
So we give you a reading recommendations for comic books
and maybe if we're watching anything, we'll go into some
news and then our main topic. So that all said,
I'm drinking a King Julius because it fits the theme
of Wakanda. I feel like, you know, we're talking kings
and royalty and stuff. This is from Treehouse Buring up
in Massachusetts, some realty of beer, if you will, and
(01:33):
you know it's wicked good man. I love this beer.
That's what I got. Lauren said, I'm going to be
jealous of her beer, so I'm interested what you can think.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
It's more so my beer can so I don't have
anything on par with Black Panther, but I just got
this beer and I wanted to drink it as soon
as possible, and it made sense to drink it on
the show because it's Magneto.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Oh man, they always have the best stuff, right.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
It's Polarity Shift by Mason Aleworks, and yeah it's a
hazy dobap with mosaic et cetera. And if anybody's heard
of this Burrerier seen. Can I keep all their cans
like I'm looking at them? I guy Gambit, I got
Thor Sing Wolvey, Deadpool, Mickey and that's it. Oh and
wonder Woman and now I have Magneto.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Oh yeah, Okay, that's pretty dope. I'm a big fan,
big fan. All Right, you're right, you're right, you got.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I posed it my with my little Wolvey with adam
antium coming out.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Of Oh yeah, that's cool. Did you just got that
for your birthday?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
No, you might have gotten me this. I think I
got it last year on my birthday.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
So technically I wasn't wrong, just off a little bit.
But yeah, I know that is a pretty rad can.
I do like their cans a lot. Speaking of pretty
cool artwork, let's go into some comic books we got, man,
I got some right here. Actually, I like to not
only do I review comic books, but I pick up
the ones typically if I really like them, because I
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like to support my local comic book shop and I
like to support the writers and artists and things like that.
So I did a Sisterhood issue number two from Image Comics,
Ghost Machine, matel Shoots, Leila Lies and Alex Sinclair. This
is issue too of five from this little Hyghe street
side project we're doing. You know, things get a little
creepy in the artwork here, but I really really like
(03:07):
how they're drawing violet into the glass and everything, like
that if people on YouTube are watching, you can watch
it there. I'm showing some of the artwork. It looks
really bad. Aside from that, one that really surprised me
this week was the Cheshire or Cheetah in Cheshire Robbed
the Justice League by Greg Rucca, Nicholas Scott, Annette Quack
and Troy P. Terry. This is not two characters that
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I ever would have really thought that worked well together,
but it was a very more emotional, narrative, character driven
style issue of Basically, Cheetah is in an identity crisis.
She doesn't want to be owned by the god or
whatever powers are holding her as a Cheetah anymore, and
so she's really kind of trying to find herself. I
think that's something a lot of people could relate to,
and although I can't really relate to the fact that
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they decide to rob the Justice League at the end,
but we'll see how that goes for them, I guess.
And then Justice League versus Godzilla versus Kong issue number
two or Volume two issue number three. This is Brian Bucellato,
you know that team just doing absolutely amazing work. And
the really special part about this issue is if you
like the monarch lore, the monster's lore, that kind of
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stuff coming from the Justice League Godzilla Kong universe. I
recommend reading this because they're starting to dive more into
Monarch and more of the monsters. So I think our
Justice League members and everybody else and not our Justice League,
the Argust members too, might be going into some deep
domains here shortly. And then I've got you know, Green Lantern,
Absolute and Green Lantern, and I picked up Gonna be honest,
(04:30):
that one's not vibing with me too much. I'm just
kind of feeling.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Like an issue to really this is the issue.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Five five issues, and I think if people are really
enjoying it, I think you should give it a chance.
I just don't think it's for me. But I didn't
pick this up because it was sold out. Captain America
issue number two, this is where he meets Doctor Doom.
That issue was really good, I thought, because Captain America
is really struggling with this modern day war. And then
also his counterpart was flashing back to when he was
(04:58):
deployed in Afghanistan in Iraq, and a lot of it
really invoked a lot of senses to me from being
deployed in that region a couple of times, so it's
seeming like the dust, and they really nailed the style
of housing that's out there in the Middle East and
to things like that really kicked up a lot of memories.
And then of course there's a really cool ending with
Captain America and Von Doom. But the last book I
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read was Daredevil, Cold Day in Hell. This is a
variant cover. Daniel Warren Johnson did this variant cover, but
Charles soul was the writer and Steve Mcnivandan White were
also on the coloring and the art. This left me wrecked.
This issue absolutely floored me with how sad it was
of an ending for Frank and Bullseye and Matt. It
was something I didn't quite see coming, but I kind
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of had a feeling, and the artwork was just really
raw and gritty, like the texture of these old men
like Bullseye for example, and some of the things that
they do with Frank in this issue really made you
squirm in parts too as you were really reading it
and looking at the art.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Why I read it, Yeah, what did you think about that?
I really sad. I guess I knew it was going
to be a short run, but I guess I kind
of forgot, so, I mean they clearly the end at
the end, it was kind of interesting. I did enjoy
the series overall because it's kind of a you know,
a look into the future, but the future is very
dark and bleak, and you seeing a character that's such
a badass in so many ways that even when he's vulnerable,
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he's still such a badass. Was it was interesting. It
was better sweet, but I liked there was one moment
between him and Frank that I thought was very very
sweet and timeless. I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, timeless.
But yeah, I think it's definitely worth reading. I mean,
you know, I think that. I mean I was, you know,
when they announced it a New York Comic Con. That
(06:38):
was one of the highlights of New York Comic Con
for me. More I think about all the yeah, the
stuff that I got to experience last October, the more
I said, I'm not going I know you are too,
but yeah, that was one of that was that panel
was one hundred percent of highlight. That was a fantastic
panel announcing that and then Charlie Cross and everything, and yeah,
so I'm really glad I read it and I do
think if you're a Darede have a fan, give it
a chance.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, that's what I've got. As far as I know,
I have an issue of something that you read, and
even got to do an interview this week because I
picked it up. I wanted a hard copy for myself.
I haven't read it yet. I have not read it yet,
but tell us about what this is.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
So this is a fantastic comic. I know I've been
talking about the Minor Threats universe for gosh two years now.
I think I've been talking about it and been reviewing
it for a NERD initiative. So they keep doing new
four issue runs. And this is a team out between
Archie and friends, Sabrina, the teenage Witch, and Minor Threats.
So Sabrina needs to get this item that's in Twilight City,
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which is a fictional city that the Minor Threats characters
live in, because she wants to bring her boyfriend to
The Witch is a warlockall and he's im mortal, so
she has to get this item. Her original plan follows through,
but she hears an Archie in the gang in the
Riverdale High School are going to Twilight City on a
field trip as one does, decides to do some magic
pretend to be a Riverdale student. Well, they will crash
(07:54):
into the worst part of Twilight City, and of course
chaos and Susan Frankie playtime falls is there. And it's
just so fun because I've never really read Archie comics
other than like Jay and Silent Bob, and I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Know, of yeah, yeah, ye.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
But the level of innocence is so pure and see,
and then you have Frankie just literally murdering somebody by
bashing them in the head with like, let's just say
something magic, that's all because in the town, like she's
done with magic, and Whilstarena and the Teenage Witch just
showed up.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Oh really, Oh okay. This is what I love about
the Archie crossovers. For example, with you know, Jay and
Silent Bob from the last week, right, what I love
is Archie is so innocent. So Carrie has always been
an Archie fan, his comics from newspapers and things, just incant,
innocent looking Archie. Meanwhile, you have Jay and Silent Bob.
They own a weed store, a dispensary, sorry Jesus, and they're
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trying to get them to like to get really high
with them and all this other and it's just Archie
and he's in a band and all this. It's really
hilarious at the same time.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
At one point, like the one kid's parents are going
out of town, they're like, we're gonna drink so much
frup beer and Archie's like, I don't know, have you
ever seen that guy in a sugar high?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
It's not pretty maintain innocence with these It's awesome. It's
a really good collab.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
It works, and like you don't need to have read
any Minor Threats or Archie to enjoy this. It's it
can be enjoyed standalone. They do a good job of
catching you up on all these characters, but it is
connected to the Minor Threats universe. And as much fun
as the Jay in Silent Bob One was, that was
kind of like a one off and it was just
to be silly. This is an actual story, like there's
actual stuff going on. Archie and the gang have gotten
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themselves into a sticky situation and there's three more issues coming.
And if you go to neud Initiatives YouTube, we did
get to interview the writer, Tommy Haig and the artists
for this one, Scott coumblished Timmy worked on the script
with Pat and Oswald and Jordan Bloom, who have overseen
a script on all of the stories in minor threats,
so it stayed consistent. The art is fantastic. So we
got to interview the two of them and they dropped
(09:55):
a lot of little future nods and like little things
that we can expect there coming up. That just got
me that much more excited for where this comic is going. Nice.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Well, I'll read it and give you my notes. Did
you watch anything exciting this week? No, I can tell
you that we have something pretty exciting coming up when
The Embargo releases this coming week on the fifteenth. That's
going to be exciting. That hit our inbox. But I
did watch a couple of things Happy gil Woar two.
I watched that, and honestly, being that Adam Sandler's older
(10:29):
I was going into this with all right, let's just
watch it, get it over with. I've been putting it
off because I didn't expect anything out of this. I
will tell you I was very well pleasantly surprised. I
was laughing a lot of the time. I don't know
if it's just it was funny. I thought it was
a decent movie. Honestly, I don't know if something about
it it might have been the nostalgia train that really
(10:49):
took me back to the first one. I will say
there is a character that they do something with very
early on that I didn't really agree with, and I
just thought that was.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Interesting why they did it, But it's absurd that they
did it.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, and she actually said, ah, spoiler alert, Virginia dies,
and Jesus, you.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Didn't even give people a chance to pose it. I
hope they don't remember.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I don't think they actually care. But she looks weird
better now than she did in the nineties.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Man, that haircut in the nineties was terrible.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
But she's a babe. And then got rid of her
right away. That's probably why, because Adam Sandler's wife is like, eh,
eh no, sir, not in front of our daughter. You're
not going to kiss another woman or whatever, and both
daughters actually. But it was funny. I like how they
brought a lot of the characters back, a lot of
that stuff I thought stole, Oh my god. Yeah, and
then they had that NBA player Bobin, who was the
son of the other gigantic, tall guy, and there was
(11:45):
just a lot of cute, funny callbacks. So I think
for me, the nostalgia worked in this instance. It's not
always going to work, especially with Adam Sandler these days,
but this is one of those where it worked for me.
And then, oh god, I didn't care for the grown
ups ones. Did not care for those ones. But I
don't like Kevin James and I don't like Rob Schneider.
So when Rob Schneider briefly appeared in this movie.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I was just like, I used to like Rob Schneider.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Well, yeah, he was funny. And then just like that
Douce Bigelow that was those were like, yeah, okay, but
uh though I did watch one other thing, which was
I've watched the first episode of Wednesday's new season. I
wasn't dying to watch this. I honest to god, I
had no idea it was even coming out this past week,
and everybody's like, there's a Wendy's meal, and I don't
(12:29):
go to Wendy's. If I go to church, it's cookout
for a milkshake.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I have gone twice in probably the past decade, and
it was to get Frosty's and the first time I
did it, the kids were all like blabbergasted that I
was taking them through, Like, I.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Don't go to Wendy's, Jeam, I don't.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Frosty's are delicious.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Well right, that's why I go to cookout. I mean,
sometimes I get a burger or a hot dog, but
most of the time I'm getting a milkshake.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
And we would cook out on the way home from
our road trip. After seeing you. It wasn't impressed.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
What what did you get?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I don't even remember.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, okay, see that's your first wasn't a milkshake?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I bet no.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Josh loved it.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
All three of them got milkshakes.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I loved it.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I mean, is there such thing as a bad milkshake?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yes? First of all. Second of all, the good thing
about cookout milkshakes is they are thick, too, sea thick,
and at the bottom is all the good stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Man.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
So you're working your way through that delicious thickness mmmmm, creamy,
And then you get to the bottom and mind's peanut
butter cheesecake. So like, the last four inches is all cheesecake,
peanut butter blended together.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Pukeer.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Oh no, I hate myself after it is like I've
always hated myself, so it's not like as anything new
and god, it just really it just hits so good
and yeah fuck yeah. Anyways, Wednesday, Uh, Steve Boucemi's in it.
He has a wig and that threw me off. And
Billy Piper is also in it. I did not expect that.
But it's if you like the first season so far,
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you're probably gonna like this season. I don't really have
much to say yet because I haven't watched anymore other
than that, So give it a chance if that's your thing,
and let's go into some news. What news do we have?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Do we have news?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
We do?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Smith? Speaking of Billy Paper, Matt Smith has been cast
as a villain in the Ryan Gosling Star Wars movie.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Two are going to ham it up in a Star
Wars movie? Did you watch?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
My first thought was like, he didn't play a good
villain in that, But he's played a fantastic villain in
the House of the Dragon.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Oh yeah, he was the only one who knew what
movie he was in. He was hamming it up as
that villain. One thousands of that decision. Well, I mean probably. Meanwhile,
Jared Leto's over there trying to go for the oscar
for his performance, and Matt Smith is goofy and it
was amazing.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I'm all that it is goofy, But like when I
saw him the House of the Dragon, I was truly
impressed because it's so hard for me to look at
him and not see the doctor and not just the doctor,
but the doctor who wants to eat you know, fish
sticks with custard, yeah, or like who you know always
has a fed or not always has a FEDS. But
you know what I mean, that's where I go when
I see his face.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
So that's fair.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I think.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I'm I'm excited Ryan Gosling and Matt Smith and the
Star Wars. Yeah, Ryan Gosling, I'd watch read the Bible. Honestly.
I think he's hilarious. I think he's awesome, and I'd
like that he's in this Unseeri and he's supposed to
play a Jedi. I think in that too or something.
I don't know. It could be just making that up,
but I'm in find out. We'll find out Wednesday. We
already talked about is out now season two or part
two of season two? Because I don't understand the model here. Yeah,
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September thirty.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Cancel Netflix, yet you have to have it for two months.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Oh my god, I just I have things I could say.
But Hulu's going away. Speaking of things that are going away,
Disney is going to fully integrate Hulu into their stuff,
get rid of the standalone Hulu app, and slowly take
over the earth even more so, if you want your
favorite Hulu shows, you'll have to go to the Disney
Plus app and go through the Hulu thing. So if
you didn't want Disney Plus, but now you do, and
(15:51):
we're back to cable. Okay, we're back to cable.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I don't know what to tell you, Disney multiple cable
providers to watch what you want to watch.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Well, yeah, speaking of which, I I've cut out watching
WWE at a good time because now they're going away
from Peacock and ESPN bought them, and now you're gonna
have to have thirty dollars a month or whatever to
watch their pay per views unless you have cable, which
you can watch them for free. And I'm like, well,
I ditched WWE because they brought back a really problematic
figure at a good time.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You know what's interesting is I do wonder how many
like we watch sports less now because we don't have cable,
because it's like we have to pay for.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Some of the NFL cost you like twelve hundred bucks
at minimum to watch a full season.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Well, and then one year I bought the NBA package,
but then as soon as the game's got good, I
couldn't watch any of the heat games. I didn't buy
the NBAP they bought the Heat games.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, MLB does the same thing souch as NHL. Even
if you're out of market or like any you can't
watch your team, they block it out if it's considered
in market and market you have.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Like I used to have like Sports Center on in
the background or First Take on in the background, like
something on in the background all the time, So like
I don't ever have that. So I was like, I
don't barely watch What Center.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Now has a TikTok star doing like their reporting and
stuff like that to try to reach a younger audience,
which cool by all means, I would sign me up.
But I think the problem with modern day supports Center
is they fired everybody and they have Steven A. Smith,
so it's just a bunch of talking heads yelling at
each other.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Used to be such a You actually used.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
To get really good x's and o's. I would love
ESPN was always on. We would get very good game recaps,
you get your ex'es and o's. But now it's just
people yelling at each other and I don't care.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Well, that's also it's like, now, okay, we if UM's playing,
I'm like, okay, well what stationary they playing? Or what
do we have to download? Or can we do a
free trial? Or do we have to pay sixty dollars
for the whole month to watch this one game? Or
is maybe it's on the antenna? Did you they don't
live in Miami anymore?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Miami Miami only has four games outside of the state
of Florida this season, and they don't travel outside of
Florida until November.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I mean, I have all their games on my calendar,
but I haven't looked.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
You're welcome anyway. It's Punisher special presentation that's wrapped filming.
How you feel in there? Frank Scott Parkley new look,
I'm excited. DT might not be excited because DT doesn't
like anything in our discord. He was like, why are
we getting this? And I said, but why not? Because
it's Punisher and Punisher leads into our last bit of news,
which is we got some cool things. What's our last
(18:09):
bit of news.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
My last bit of news is that my battery is
running low and I'm gonna plug it in.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Oh okay, well why do you do that? Spider Man
is actively filming right now. There picks Galore. Spider Man's
back on this practical effects. He's hanging from the wire,
he's web slinging, he's got explosions in the background. There's
some really cool tanks with some interesting logos on him,
and then of course he has the suit with the
raised webbing. But allegedly Punisher and LT are in this
(18:36):
movie as well. So just tread Lightley out there that
I've told you everything that we've seen so far, but
I am curious. I feel like I don't want to
see the whole movie before it actually comes out. But
that's the news we got. We'll be right back. We're
going to take a quick break as we are going
to go into Eyes of Wakanda, So bear with us.
We will see you in a month and we're back.
Welcome to episode one of Eyes of Wakanda. Into the Lions. Then,
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now to recap this one spoilers of course. If you
don't want spoilers, come back after you've watched it. And
it's twelve sixty BC. It's actually BC. Fun fact stands
for before cookout. Now we kick off in crete Pirates
are coming to attack cloaked and golden lions. Cut to
Wakanda and Nanni, who was kicked out of the Door
Millage for not being a good rule follower. She's asked
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to take down this lion leader as he is from
Wakanda and has their weapons. She succeeds, however, loses the weapons.
After being told she can come back to the Door Millage,
she declines and then chooses to become a war dog,
which war dogs are essentially the Cia of Wakanda. They
were mentioned in Wakanda Forever actually, and Nakia was one
as well. Their job nikit sorry my bad. Their job
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is to collect info around the world and keep Wakanda safe.
So this was the first episode, Lauren, what did you
think about this episode?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
So I wasn't really sure what to think. I didn't
have any idea going into this, and so after the
first episode I was like, oh, okay, this is interesting.
I wasn't really sure where they were going. I will
say I genuinely love the artwork, which I was very
excited about because I did not watch Spider Man freshman year.
I got maybe fIF two minutes. Oh and the artwork
was not for me. Doesn't mean it wasn't It wasn't.
I mean it was really cool artwork.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
It was you have to kind of get adjusted to.
I understand where you're coming from.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, I guess so, but I maybe it's how you
felt with I was gonna say Martian Manhunter artwork in
the book away from the story. Maybe. I don't know
if anybody, but I also didn't have anybody be like, no,
you have to go back and watch it. But I
thought this was I was shocked how far back we were.
I didn't know it was all the way before cookout.
But I liked it, and I like. One of the
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things I love about the Wakandas is going all the
way back and to present day, you don't really pick
up on sexism, and that's actually kind of really nice,
especially going back into the past and like you still
aren't dealing with an equal opportunity since day one just
about Yeah, I mean, you have the dormal lage and
you have the war dogs and stuff, but like they
they're both like bad ass. If the dorm Lage aren't
(20:53):
more badass, so.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I feel like, yeah, they're the most badass non powered
group in Wakanda. I mean, obviously the black back Panther
has the power, but the dorm Logic they kicked some
serious ass.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Man. Yeah. So one of the things I really liked
about this episode. I'm going to wait till the end
because I didn't know where they were going, and so
I don't want to, oh, yeah, like here's your tim
Ley or your Timley, your Stanley tim cameo. Like if
you don't listen to cartoon or you don't like watching cartoons,
and you're listening to this, so you can just know
what's going on in MC without having to watch. I
want to wait till we get to the end because
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I was really excited to see where we got to
at the end. This certain character making me feel a
certain way. But what I thought was really cool was
seeing all these different cultures from around the world. You know,
we saw like a Viking in a Samoan and so
like this guy had gone around the world and collected
other like warriors, so to speak. To fight, you know,
for him.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, that's a good point. I do like that because
I was kind of confused at first. Almost I was, hey,
aren't they shouldn't they be Wakandan? And then he was Wakandan?
But like, well yeah, because what I enjoy is not
everything is black and white as far as you know,
Wakanda goes, which I thought was actually pretty rad in
its own respect because it gives you different takes. It's
(22:03):
just like any country, right, You're gonna have people who
are not going to be the good guys of their country.
They are gonna be bad guys. And so getting to
see this leader and then how badass you know, Nanny was.
She took him on, made it up there, and even
he was like, wow, you're the only one who basically
has ever made it this far. They do a wicked,
(22:24):
crazy duel like. Their fight sequence was awesome, probably one
of my favorites, if not my favorite in this entire
season or series. I don't know if they're going to
get more, but it was. It was really good, and
I thought the artwork was colorful. It flowed smooth. Their
fight flowed smooth because sometimes the animation it might not
flow as booth. Yeah, and this was beautiful. I love
the backdrop to the beautifulness of being at this island
(22:47):
and where we get to go and see and like
their armor was shiny, I thought, seeing a lot of
the technology that we're used to seeing for Wakanda, while
at the same time having it be so not Yeah,
it takes place so far in the past, so they
don't have everything.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Modern and aliens.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, but they're still at the same time so technologically advanced.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I mean they have texting in this Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Which is the next one, you know, uh, probably my
favorite episode of the four Legends and lies what happens
in this one.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
So this one we actually get to see Achilles and
a Wacandon working together. So we're in Greece, complete with
Trojans and all. So the Wallcandon's name is Bekai. However,
he's under the alias Memnon and he is serving with
Achilles under Odyssey's command. So together they're fighting the Trojans.
But Menmon has a mission to collect Waconda item because
we learned, you know, that's what these war dogs are doing,
are going around collecting all these items that have gotten
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all over the planet because they're worried those weapons can
be used against Condon's, which is of course what we've
seen with nay More and everything. So so enter the
Trojan Horse plan, which of course we all know they.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Even any next year, okay, because we just this is it,
this is the Odyssey.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
You still think it was a terrible name for a
condom because these little guys get out of the horse.
They get out of always been escape.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yes, I've always been interested by that brand name because
even the Trojan soldiers they I don't know, I have
no idea.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Helen of Troy actually has the item from Wakanda. Achilles
sees Memon let Helen and Paris go after leaving him.
So basically, Menmon was fighting with Achilles and like they're
like bff, they've gone. They've been together nine years. Achilles
really thinks of him.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
As a ten year war in people don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
He even gave him a necklace that his mom had
given him, which he said was good luck. And I'll
get into a little bit of Greek iology. Yeah, So
he sees men Mom leave him basically to die. He
does survive, and then he sees him let Helen and
Paris go, and of course they fight Memnon gets his
gets him in the achilles heel by slicing his achilles heel,
(24:50):
even though he really didn't want to. He tried not
to fight his friend, but he did because Waconda Forever
wi Conda first. After holding him until he actually dies,
he then puts his coins on his eyes for the
fairy because you know, you got to have the tokens
for the fairy to get to the underworld or to
get to the next life. So then we see Beakai
ak Memnon talking with an older nanny from episode one
(25:13):
after he gets back to Wakonda. So he's got the
item he killed his best friend. Now he's back in Wakanda.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I love Italie in from episode one there, yes.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Because she's got the eye patch from the injury that
she's stained in that fight. And she's an older, wiser
nanny and you know she's leading the war dogs and everything.
And he feels guilty and he feels alone being back
in Wakanda and having done everything he did, and he
asks for another mission, and then he clutches the necklace
that Achilles gave him, which again was from his mom
and brought him good luck. So it's in the mythology Paris,
(25:45):
who was with Helena. Troy is the one who gets
Achilles in the heel with a poisoned dart because that
was the only part of him that was vulnerable after
his mother dipped him in the river sticks to protect him,
but of course she was holding his heels. Yeah, those
were not protected. So I love the connections to the mythology,
making it quote unquote realistic, even though this is you know, Marvel,
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and it totally makes sense that we would see mythological
Greek mythological characters in this because not only do we
have Norse mythology, we have since met Hercules and Zeus,
so this is you.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Know, we'll see those guys again. But I as a
history nerd this obviously we know Homer's the Odyssey all
that was is amazing work. So to see Memnon for example,
being you know, Wakandan, I thought that was a really
cool way to introduce them into this. Uh, you know,
Troy was beautiful. It was really cool seeing watercolor paintings. Yeah,
(26:40):
it was beautiful. And then of course their fight against
that that lit fire and you can feel the pain
and Achille, you know, you were my brother, and he's hey,
please don't make me fight you. You know, I don't want
to fight you. I had to do this. And then
he goes to destroy the necklace and he's like, this
is what you came and betrayed me for. And it
was a very heartfelt moment. I thought the emotion was there,
and the emotional beats hit really really well again seeing
(27:04):
that Wakana's history is not so black and white. It's bloody.
They are self serving for a reason, like you look
out for your own and he had a mission to
go to and then when he does get back, there's
that really tender moment in the woods like we're talking
about where he's talking. I don't feel like me, I
feel alone. This sucks, you know, it's really really cool.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
You can definitely speak to what I'm going to say
way more than I can or have any business too.
But I imagine that every soldier that serves their country
has questions about, you know, how much you're doing is
right and how much do you carry home with that?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, especially with what you did was right or wrong
Afghanistan War. I mean, granted I've never had to make
those types of decisions, but I have parried caskets on
and off of planes, for example. And I've still seen
a lot of this stuff, and I've seen the aftermath.
And then not to mention the way everything ended up,
what was the twenty years for In the end, we
just packed up, left everything and just dipped. So you're right,
(27:56):
I mean, people have died and it really doesn't feel
like for anything. And you die for your nation, your country,
you put something on the line, you get back and
you're just kind of okay for what And those feelings
ring true with a lot of people, especially you see
a lot of veterans of the early days of the
two thousand and three war and things of that nature
that went on for so long. But it is a
(28:17):
very good parallel again using that and wrapping it all
in and I'm not going to get on a soapbox
about it, but I do like that. And then again
with Paris and stuff, I really loved the mythologicalness and
the lore playing a big factor into everything with them.
And all I can think of, too is what was
the two thousand and four movie or whatever, Troy with
Eric Banna, Brad Pitt, Orlando Bloom, all of them. That's
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what I was thinking in my head at the same time,
which is kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I was too. I was picturing Achilles getting stabbed with
the arrow.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
No. I definitely did as well. But it was a
good episode. This was probably, overall storytelling wise, my favorite
episode for how.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I think it was also fun to to see something
that you're familiar with, Like I'm not too familiar with
you know, twelve hundred BC, and you know, I really
like the other two too, but like this was a
time I.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Feel like we're very familiar.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, right, And like, you know, if you're.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
A history buff or if you're a cultured human, you
might know a thing about the ten years Trojan War.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Well over a woman kid, I know, I mean, but
also like there's only.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
A massive history major.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Kaylee dragged us all around Greece, showing us all these
different temples, and my god, the kid were at the
Acropolis Josh and like, can we just sit down for
a minute. She's like, can I keep looking at stuff?
She was twelve at the time, but hey, shout out
to Kaylee. Even though she doesn't listen to us. My
daughter just graduated from college with a major in history.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I enjoy when she comes to us because I'm a
history nerd and nobody else wants to go and look
at all those stupid things that you do. But I
will gladly get historical facts all day. I freaking I
like it.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
But I can't go as long as Kaylee can, and
the other two can't go at all all day. Other
kids don't give up unless it's the ice cream Museum.
They like that one.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Oh yeah to be Let's go on. Episode three, Lost
and Found now recap. This is fourteen hundred. After dominoes
another war Dog mission, Agent Basha wakes up next to
a pretty local girl, steals a dragon statue, yes with
some Wakandon artifacts stuck in it. He escapes into his
Wakandan shipped at home. A dragon curse supposedly protects the village,
(30:19):
which agent Basha is not buying, and returns home victoriously.
Basha is an agent who doesn't take anything very seriously.
As you can tell, he's just chill, laid back joking.
Suddenly we get Danny. This isn't Danny, it's the immortal
Iron Fist in Wakanda looking for Basha. Hold the phone,
the was Ah, the girl he left in bed Oh.
(30:42):
The plot thickened. See Fury, a man she found him
in a blizzard and nursed him back to health in
more ways than one. When he left, she followed him.
They both played each other a bit, and now she
wants what he stole. Jarani finds the room with the
artifacts and assumes as they just steal from others. Her
people had the statue with the Vibranian tongue for a
thousand years. She wants that back. They fight, and we
(31:04):
learned Girani defeated the dragon Shao Lie and took his
powers because she is the Iron Fist. Basha then defends
her from another Wakandan and he's insistent they work something out.
She then takes the tongue out hands it to Basha.
Basha apologizes to both of them, tells a lie to
High counselor so Jurani can leave all as well. Now
what is interesting about this is I think that this
(31:25):
is based on wu Au, She who was the last
woman Iron Fist. She was the first woman to defeat
Shao Lau, which then she took the dragon's powers and
used it and kind of, you know, became a tyrant
but a warrior, and she channeled his powers into arrows
that she would fire and things like that making him
more powerful, but yeah, they don't. Obviously Girani is differently named,
(31:48):
but I think that this is who she was based
off of because again defeats you know, the Shall Lie
and everything like that at the same time. So a
little bit of Iron Fist the Immortal and she showed
up that costume. It was awesome. I did like her outfit.
Her Iron Fist outfit was very comic bookie and I
really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, as soon as I saw the cover because it's like,
next episode and I see the Iron Fist.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I know, leave it to Disney to ruin what's about
to happen? Right, you know.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
One of the things I thought would have been cool
and I didn't look this up, but it didn't sound maker.
I was like, they should have like Colleen voice her
or something that would have been kind of.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Oh actually who somebody did voice her and it was
pretty It was Jonah Ziao. I don't know if I right,
it's not. She is a Chinese American actress. She's been
very so. She was in The Flash as Carrie Bates
for a while. She was in Ryan the Last Dragon.
She played Young Namari. But she's been in some other
(32:43):
TV shows and things like that, those would be she.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Did a good job. I just thought it would have
been a cool nod. I want to see Colleen again.
I'd rather see Colleen before we see Danny. I really
liked her. And I heard the actress was offered a
part and showing she and turned it down because she
didn't want to rete.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, yeah, and well I'm I mean, now we're getting there.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And yeah, she might have made a very good decision.
Mean not that being in shann she would.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Be a bad well they offered her, so I wonder
if her turning it down also played into hey, this
actress is really holding out hope, she wants it that
people want.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
All these characters want to come back.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, where like Jones is back, Why can't we get
lou Cage's mayor either. You know, there's no reason.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I would love to have Blue Cage's mayor. That would
be so cool. Yeah, and then Laura Kenney can come back,
and you know, there's no.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Reason Laura Kenny can't come back, especially with all his
multiverse crap.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Okay, oh yeah, they went back and got her, but
what was you know? With Blade though, it makes more
sense because his character died though, it's like these other
characters are I want Misty Night. We definitely need Misty
if they don't, if they bring everybody back and don't bring.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
It, I need to see Misty Knight and I need
to Captain America America. Yeah, I need to see those
two on screen together without a doubt we're getting off talk.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I need to see Sam Wilson Captain America turn into
a werewolf and Missy laugh.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah. Back to this episode. I really enjoyed this for
the fight sequences as well, but I thought it was
interesting because they were they have a lot of artifacts
from other places, which also plays into the final scene
of episode four in a way at the same time.
So what were your.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Thoughts so on episode three, I feel like it was
a more fun episode. I think that that was kind
of cool. It was nice to have. Oh, it was
a little levity in between, because these episodes were a
little darker and very violent.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I really liked when they both claimed that the one
seduced the other. No, I seduced you. But you know,
the other artifacts though they were originally theirs, they were stealing.
Is it stealing if you're stealing back with yours? I
guess not Jewish person to a Nazis house and says, hey,
this was my grandmother's painting. Are they wrong?
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I don't don't think so. I don't know what if
it could be, I don't know. These are all good
questions are putting on. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I thought you were going to be your grandmother's painting back.
They're just taking back this shit. That was their answer,
you said.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Was it there painting? And then this goes into like
the whole this this take the spirals in my head
because currently they're taking over other people's lands that they
shouldn't be taking that they say, is there.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
So so here's the thing. If I let's say I
steal a painting, let's always not even make it a painting.
I stole a Funko Pop and I give it to
you and I'm like happy birthday, and you're like, oh
my gosh, thank you. You didn't steal the Funko pop.
But you have the Funko pop, but yours. Now, However,
if somebody goes to and they're like, hey, you know
that Funko pop, Lauren actually stole that Funko Pop. Now
you know you have a stolen Funko Pop. So now
(35:29):
you have the intent to keep it there by owning
stolen property, or you can return it. So once you
know you have stolen property, aren't you also the thief?
So there you go. So now that you tell Geroni like, hey,
this was ours first, you guys stole it from us.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Lawyers, good job. If you have to arrest my defense, yes, but.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yes, the actual intent part can come later. So it's
like if you accidentally, you know, have something here, we
are going.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
To be starting up a special Patreon here that if
you need legal advice, giving you her phone number.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
If you're in the state of Florida, I can not
practice law on any other state.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I mean Florida man, for a reason, right, Florida's got
a lot of the issues. So go ahead.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Everybody has issues. We just have laws that allow you
to issues. Well, no, you have a Virginia man. He's
out there. You just don't have access to his records.
A second, he's arrested. Maybe he is thought you were
a Massachusetts man.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Am, but I live in Virginia. So maybe what if
they considered anyways.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Connect for the last partner and the last episode, So
we are in Ethiopia, city around eighteen ninety six, so
we've jumped ahead again. So Prince Tafari watches as a
battle ensues. This is the Prince of Wakanda and he's
trying to extract an artifact because that's what we're doing
in the show. He's with a bit of a babysitter
named Kuda. Cudah is a war dog, so the prince
acts recklessly but gets the gets the artifact. As Kudah
(36:52):
and the Prince go back and forth on different opinions
on how war dogs should behave. So someone shows up
and attacks. The attacker, however is will so they're very confused.
So they basically got the artifact. That coruning back to Wakanda,
somebody shows up and like causes chaos and they're like,
we don't know who this is, and of course Kuda
does not believe it's a Wakandan. However, because he doesn't
know her. She then shows them that she is a
(37:13):
Wakandan from five hundred years into the future, and she
says that everything has been destroyed and that's why she's there.
The whole world actually teamed up together to fight off
an alien attack. However, Wakanda, because of their laws kept
separate from everyone else and didn't help, causing the official demise.
If they had been able to help, they could save
the world. This attack was actually made by the Queen
(37:34):
of Wakanda and the very last black Panther. There's only
a few Dora Malaje left. However, they sent the Queen
back in time to the past to find out what
actually led to this into their laws being so strict,
and it turns out it was these war Dog missions.
They traced it back to these missions and the artifacts,
specifically the axe that young Prince Nafari was able to
grab so as it will, then, this grabbing this axe
(37:57):
starts a chain reaction that essentially destroys the world. So
they tell him, hey, you got to put this axe back. However,
as she's trying to convince them, she actually gets sucked
back to the future right after she tells them that
the current queen is pregnant, because she's like, hey, look,
I know the current Queen's pregnant. This is what me
trying to prove to you on future. Of course, Kudo's like, okay,
she's just crazy, and then the Prince is like, no, actually,
(38:20):
my mom is pregnant. It's just only family royalty info
right now. So they go on faith and they decide, okay,
let's go return the axe, and they actually do, and
then you think that the Kudah's getting left for dead,
but the Prince goes back and rescues Cudah and then
they tell everyone that they abandon their mission, but the
axe was definitely destroyed, so they lied. And they then say,
I wish we could see the future that hopefully we save,
(38:43):
and then we cut two. This is the best freaking scene.
I love this so much. We cut to seeing kill
Monger staring at the act in a museum.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
It was really good the way he looked from behind.
Of course you don't really see him, but yeah, and
I thought that was really cool how they tied that
all together very beautifully, if a little too because Kudo
was like, when they get back, you know, the Prince
was essentially I used my rank on Kuda and I
outruled him all that stuff, and he and I thought
(39:13):
that was really cool way for the prince to finally
learn the end. The whole time he was teaching was
that was the lesson within. You know, Kudo was trying
to teach him this lesson the whole time, and the
Prince finally kind of got it at the end was hey, no,
I pulled rank on him x y Z. And then
they had that nice talk of like you said, I
can't wait to see what hopefully we say the future
and all that kind of stuff. You see, kill Monger
(39:33):
was was dope. I really liked that, ending really really
liked it.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
The whole point was they needed Wakanda to see that
the rest of the world needs them, and kill Monger
did that. He's like, you know, you're you know, black
people are dying all over the world and you got
not doing anything. And so we actually go into a
little bit of that in a minute, because what you
see in the movie is his dad was a war
dog and he goes out there and sees how terrible
(40:00):
things are and Wakanda could help fix this. They could
literally help them.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
They could have helped the.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Word racism in more than that, and so many things.
And what is so interesting is episode one, the Lion
Guy reminded me of Killmonger. Yeah, like, what right do
we have to keep up just because the asteroid happened
to hit Wakanda. They get to benefit from this and
nobody else does. Like, that's that's literally all it is.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
It's a good point, I really did. Yeah, that's what
it is. I fully agree, and it makes a really
compelling argument to are they really I mean, their methods
aren't the best, but their message makes some sense.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
But I mean, I guess it's like the old you
know how much Like they've done a good job taking
care of their people, but it's like, do you have
a responsibility to take care of other people when the
whole world is attacked by aliens? I guess that's when
they realize, like, you do have a responsibility to take
care of Yeah, of your neighbors.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
You're all in this world together, which kind of leads
into some comic book origin that Lauren put together about
the war dogs. They were originally called the hattoot Zarazi,
which in Wakanda is dogs of war. They are Wakanda
in security forces that operate separate of the dor milage.
In the comics, they have become controversial and sometimes operate
without the authority of the Black Panther, and have even
been cut off, causing a bit of a revolt when
(41:14):
Ulysses's claw killed King Tachaka. The Hatut Zarazi led an
investigation to track down his killer in Black Panther two
thousand and five, issue number three. The war Dogs were
more of a secret until his death. However, Chachalla subsequently
banished the organization once he became king because he thought
them too extreme. The war Dogs retaliated by joining T'Challa's
a strange adoptive brother Hunter otherwise known as the White
(41:37):
Wolf side note this is Buggy's nickname in Wakanda. The
war Dogs at this point had become mercenaries, but still
felt loyal to Wakanda. Later, after Namore attacked Wakanda, Surri,
now on the throne, brought back the Hatouta Ziazi to
attack Atlantis. T'Challa was still alive and not happy about it.
And you know he kept them around once back on
the throne, despite the tensions that it caused. The war
(41:58):
Dogs at the end of the day down to defendable
content no matter what. So, yes, they they have had
their history and they've had their problems.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
In other movies like Killmonger had war Dogs on his
side and Black Panther and like we said, was on
a war dog mission and I really like that, like
the name more drama though, spawned from the Wokandon's becoming public.
So it's interesting that, you know, they question whether that
was a good idea to go public, because obviously re
Re wouldn't have created a vibranium finder. She didn't know
(42:28):
that there was vibranium. You know, we thought Captain America's
shield was the only vibranium. So we're like, this is
an issue that has become that will, I think and
hope become a bigger issue because I want to yea.
But obviously, the world being able to come together in
five hundred years to fight the literal globe being destroyed
is more important than Atlantis first, you know, the rest
(42:50):
of the way, not Atlantis. I can't remember what it's
called in the movie. Now. I love the Mexican twist,
but I can't.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I can't remember the name off the top of my head.
But no, there's a lot of good lores steeped in this,
and I am curious. I wonder if we get more
of this again. It takes so long, but there was
a writer strike, there was all of COVID and things
like that, so they did this.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Being a prequel, I feel like they probably weren't rushed.
It was probably like, No, that means you have all
these other things that are more important because it's present day,
whereas this was like a really cool backstory.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
No, you're one hundred percent right, that's what we have.
Though for this, I really enjoyed it. Absolutely, really really
love this. I love getting into some of this lore
like Marvel history if you will. I'm a big history nerd,
so anytime we get to dive into some of the
history behind the characters or there where they're from, especially
someplace like Wakanda that has a large amount of history
(43:46):
and the things that they've done throughout their time, and it's.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Another timeline for poor Loki to have to hold at
the end of time.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yeah that's true too, but it's also just more fun.
I don't know, you don't have to watch it. Didn't
understand what's going on in Marvel, but I really you should.
It was so fa Yeah, it was so good. It
really yeah true, but hopefully this makes you maybe go
watch it if not, if you haven't. But aside from that,
we will be going into our Peacemaker recap. Get you
ready for season two next episode that's going to be
(44:15):
on the lookout for that. We've got some supernatural coming
down the pipe as we get ready. Oh my gosh,
we have to finish. We've got a month.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
We're not finish on time. I told you that wasn't
gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
We will. I believe.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
It takes me way too long to prep for one episode.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I believe in us.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Okay, it's not even allowed to look at screens for
the next week. That doesn't matter. Even if you could,
that has nothing to with it. We still we're going
to do our best, but it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
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leave a review, all of that good stuff. Find us
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Speaker 2 (45:22):
Sh
What Up Party? People, Welcome back to another episode of
Hopskeek News. You're home for comic books, movies, TV shows,
and typically we do feature a beer of the week.
I am Matt with me as always is Lauren. Today
we are going to talk about the Eyes of Wakanda,
the four episodes that premiered on Disney Plus last week.
You know Mark barnardin actually, if you know that name,
he's often seen with Kevin Smith. He's done a lot
of really great comic books and other great screenwritings. He
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actually was one of the writers and executive producers on
this and he was saying how the writer's room started
back in twenty twenty, so this has been a long cooming.
Finally out it is good to go. But first things first,
go ahead find us on social media Hops geek News,
any social media platform, any podcasting platform. If this is
your first time, make sure to like, subscribe, share, follow,
help the podcast grow, drop a review, and then typically
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we go into quick what this our beer? This is
how it matches the week, what we're reading or watching,
So we give you a reading recommendations for comic books
and maybe if we're watching anything, we'll go into some
news and then our main topic. So that all said,
I'm drinking a King Julius because it fits the theme
of Wakanda. I feel like, you know, we're talking kings
and royalty and stuff. This is from Treehouse Buring up
in Massachusetts, some realty of beer, if you will, and
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you know it's wicked good man. I love this beer.
That's what I got. Lauren said, I'm going to be
jealous of her beer, so I'm interested what you can think.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
It's more so my beer can so I don't have
anything on par with Black Panther, but I just got
this beer and I wanted to drink it as soon
as possible, and it made sense to drink it on
the show because it's Magneto.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Oh man, they always have the best stuff, right.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
It's Polarity Shift by Mason Aleworks, and yeah it's a
hazy dobap with mosaic et cetera. And if anybody's heard
of this Burrerier seen. Can I keep all their cans
like I'm looking at them? I guy Gambit, I got
Thor Sing Wolvey, Deadpool, Mickey and that's it. Oh and
wonder Woman and now I have Magneto.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Oh yeah, Okay, that's pretty dope. I'm a big fan,
big fan. All Right, you're right, you're right, you got.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I posed it my with my little Wolvey with adam
antium coming out.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Of Oh yeah, that's cool. Did you just got that
for your birthday?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
No, you might have gotten me this. I think I
got it last year on my birthday.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
So technically I wasn't wrong, just off a little bit.
But yeah, I know that is a pretty rad can.
I do like their cans a lot. Speaking of pretty
cool artwork, let's go into some comic books we got, man,
I got some right here. Actually, I like to not
only do I review comic books, but I pick up
the ones typically if I really like them, because I
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like to support my local comic book shop and I
like to support the writers and artists and things like that.
So I did a Sisterhood issue number two from Image Comics,
Ghost Machine, matel Shoots, Leila Lies and Alex Sinclair. This
is issue too of five from this little Hyghe street
side project we're doing. You know, things get a little
creepy in the artwork here, but I really really like
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how they're drawing violet into the glass and everything, like
that if people on YouTube are watching, you can watch
it there. I'm showing some of the artwork. It looks
really bad. Aside from that, one that really surprised me
this week was the Cheshire or Cheetah in Cheshire Robbed
the Justice League by Greg Rucca, Nicholas Scott, Annette Quack
and Troy P. Terry. This is not two characters that
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I ever would have really thought that worked well together,
but it was a very more emotional, narrative, character driven
style issue of Basically, Cheetah is in an identity crisis.
She doesn't want to be owned by the god or
whatever powers are holding her as a Cheetah anymore, and
so she's really kind of trying to find herself. I
think that's something a lot of people could relate to,
and although I can't really relate to the fact that
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they decide to rob the Justice League at the end,
but we'll see how that goes for them, I guess.
And then Justice League versus Godzilla versus Kong issue number
two or Volume two issue number three. This is Brian Bucellato,
you know that team just doing absolutely amazing work. And
the really special part about this issue is if you
like the monarch lore, the monster's lore, that kind of
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stuff coming from the Justice League Godzilla Kong universe. I
recommend reading this because they're starting to dive more into
Monarch and more of the monsters. So I think our
Justice League members and everybody else and not our Justice League,
the Argust members too, might be going into some deep
domains here shortly. And then I've got you know, Green Lantern,
Absolute and Green Lantern, and I picked up Gonna be honest,
(04:30):
that one's not vibing with me too much. I'm just
kind of feeling.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Like an issue to really this is the issue.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Five five issues, and I think if people are really
enjoying it, I think you should give it a chance.
I just don't think it's for me. But I didn't
pick this up because it was sold out. Captain America
issue number two, this is where he meets Doctor Doom.
That issue was really good, I thought, because Captain America
is really struggling with this modern day war. And then
also his counterpart was flashing back to when he was
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deployed in Afghanistan in Iraq, and a lot of it
really invoked a lot of senses to me from being
deployed in that region a couple of times, so it's
seeming like the dust, and they really nailed the style
of housing that's out there in the Middle East and
to things like that really kicked up a lot of memories.
And then of course there's a really cool ending with
Captain America and Von Doom. But the last book I
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read was Daredevil, Cold Day in Hell. This is a
variant cover. Daniel Warren Johnson did this variant cover, but
Charles soul was the writer and Steve Mcnivandan White were
also on the coloring and the art. This left me wrecked.
This issue absolutely floored me with how sad it was
of an ending for Frank and Bullseye and Matt. It
was something I didn't quite see coming, but I kind
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of had a feeling, and the artwork was just really
raw and gritty, like the texture of these old men
like Bullseye for example, and some of the things that
they do with Frank in this issue really made you
squirm in parts too as you were really reading it
and looking at the art.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Why I read it, Yeah, what did you think about that?
I really sad. I guess I knew it was going
to be a short run, but I guess I kind
of forgot, so, I mean they clearly the end at
the end, it was kind of interesting. I did enjoy
the series overall because it's kind of a you know,
a look into the future, but the future is very
dark and bleak, and you seeing a character that's such
a badass in so many ways that even when he's vulnerable,
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he's still such a badass. Was it was interesting. It
was better sweet, but I liked there was one moment
between him and Frank that I thought was very very
sweet and timeless. I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, timeless.
But yeah, I think it's definitely worth reading. I mean,
you know, I think that. I mean I was, you know,
when they announced it a New York Comic Con. That
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was one of the highlights of New York Comic Con
for me. More I think about all the yeah, the
stuff that I got to experience last October, the more
I said, I'm not going I know you are too,
but yeah, that was one of that was that panel
was one hundred percent of highlight. That was a fantastic
panel announcing that and then Charlie Cross and everything, and yeah,
so I'm really glad I read it and I do
think if you're a Darede have a fan, give it
a chance.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, that's what I've got. As far as I know,
I have an issue of something that you read, and
even got to do an interview this week because I
picked it up. I wanted a hard copy for myself.
I haven't read it yet. I have not read it yet,
but tell us about what this is.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
So this is a fantastic comic. I know I've been
talking about the Minor Threats universe for gosh two years now.
I think I've been talking about it and been reviewing
it for a NERD initiative. So they keep doing new
four issue runs. And this is a team out between
Archie and friends, Sabrina, the teenage Witch, and Minor Threats.
So Sabrina needs to get this item that's in Twilight City,
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which is a fictional city that the Minor Threats characters
live in, because she wants to bring her boyfriend to
The Witch is a warlockall and he's im mortal, so
she has to get this item. Her original plan follows through,
but she hears an Archie in the gang in the
Riverdale High School are going to Twilight City on a
field trip as one does, decides to do some magic
pretend to be a Riverdale student. Well, they will crash
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into the worst part of Twilight City, and of course
chaos and Susan Frankie playtime falls is there. And it's
just so fun because I've never really read Archie comics
other than like Jay and Silent Bob, and I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Know, of yeah, yeah, ye.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
But the level of innocence is so pure and see,
and then you have Frankie just literally murdering somebody by
bashing them in the head with like, let's just say
something magic, that's all because in the town, like she's
done with magic, and Whilstarena and the Teenage Witch just
showed up.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Oh really, Oh okay. This is what I love about
the Archie crossovers. For example, with you know, Jay and
Silent Bob from the last week, right, what I love
is Archie is so innocent. So Carrie has always been
an Archie fan, his comics from newspapers and things, just incant,
innocent looking Archie. Meanwhile, you have Jay and Silent Bob.
They own a weed store, a dispensary, sorry Jesus, and they're
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trying to get them to like to get really high
with them and all this other and it's just Archie
and he's in a band and all this. It's really
hilarious at the same time.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
At one point, like the one kid's parents are going
out of town, they're like, we're gonna drink so much
frup beer and Archie's like, I don't know, have you
ever seen that guy in a sugar high?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
It's not pretty maintain innocence with these It's awesome. It's
a really good collab.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
It works, and like you don't need to have read
any Minor Threats or Archie to enjoy this. It's it
can be enjoyed standalone. They do a good job of
catching you up on all these characters, but it is
connected to the Minor Threats universe. And as much fun
as the Jay in Silent Bob One was, that was
kind of like a one off and it was just
to be silly. This is an actual story, like there's
actual stuff going on. Archie and the gang have gotten
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themselves into a sticky situation and there's three more issues coming.
And if you go to neud Initiatives YouTube, we did
get to interview the writer, Tommy Haig and the artists
for this one, Scott coumblished Timmy worked on the script
with Pat and Oswald and Jordan Bloom, who have overseen
a script on all of the stories in minor threats,
so it stayed consistent. The art is fantastic. So we
got to interview the two of them and they dropped
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a lot of little future nods and like little things
that we can expect there coming up. That just got
me that much more excited for where this comic is going. Nice.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Well, I'll read it and give you my notes. Did
you watch anything exciting this week? No, I can tell
you that we have something pretty exciting coming up when
The Embargo releases this coming week on the fifteenth. That's
going to be exciting. That hit our inbox. But I
did watch a couple of things Happy gil Woar two.
I watched that, and honestly, being that Adam Sandler's older
(10:29):
I was going into this with all right, let's just
watch it, get it over with. I've been putting it
off because I didn't expect anything out of this. I
will tell you I was very well pleasantly surprised. I
was laughing a lot of the time. I don't know
if it's just it was funny. I thought it was
a decent movie. Honestly, I don't know if something about
it it might have been the nostalgia train that really
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took me back to the first one. I will say
there is a character that they do something with very
early on that I didn't really agree with, and I
just thought that was.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Interesting why they did it, But it's absurd that they
did it.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, and she actually said, ah, spoiler alert, Virginia dies,
and Jesus, you.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Didn't even give people a chance to pose it. I
hope they don't remember.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I don't think they actually care. But she looks weird
better now than she did in the nineties.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Man, that haircut in the nineties was terrible.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
But she's a babe. And then got rid of her
right away. That's probably why, because Adam Sandler's wife is like, eh,
eh no, sir, not in front of our daughter. You're
not going to kiss another woman or whatever, and both
daughters actually. But it was funny. I like how they
brought a lot of the characters back, a lot of
that stuff I thought stole, Oh my god. Yeah, and
then they had that NBA player Bobin, who was the
son of the other gigantic, tall guy, and there was
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just a lot of cute, funny callbacks. So I think
for me, the nostalgia worked in this instance. It's not
always going to work, especially with Adam Sandler these days,
but this is one of those where it worked for me.
And then, oh god, I didn't care for the grown
ups ones. Did not care for those ones. But I
don't like Kevin James and I don't like Rob Schneider.
So when Rob Schneider briefly appeared in this movie.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I was just like, I used to like Rob Schneider.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Well, yeah, he was funny. And then just like that
Douce Bigelow that was those were like, yeah, okay, but
uh though I did watch one other thing, which was
I've watched the first episode of Wednesday's new season. I
wasn't dying to watch this. I honest to god, I
had no idea it was even coming out this past week,
and everybody's like, there's a Wendy's meal, and I don't
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go to Wendy's. If I go to church, it's cookout
for a milkshake.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I have gone twice in probably the past decade, and
it was to get Frosty's and the first time I
did it, the kids were all like blabbergasted that I
was taking them through, Like, I.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Don't go to Wendy's, Jeam, I don't.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Frosty's are delicious.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Well right, that's why I go to cookout. I mean,
sometimes I get a burger or a hot dog, but
most of the time I'm getting a milkshake.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
And we would cook out on the way home from
our road trip. After seeing you. It wasn't impressed.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
What what did you get?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I don't even remember.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, okay, see that's your first wasn't a milkshake?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I bet no.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Josh loved it.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
All three of them got milkshakes.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I loved it.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I mean, is there such thing as a bad milkshake?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yes? First of all. Second of all, the good thing
about cookout milkshakes is they are thick, too, sea thick,
and at the bottom is all the good stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Man.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
So you're working your way through that delicious thickness mmmmm, creamy,
And then you get to the bottom and mind's peanut
butter cheesecake. So like, the last four inches is all cheesecake,
peanut butter blended together.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Pukeer.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Oh no, I hate myself after it is like I've
always hated myself, so it's not like as anything new
and god, it just really it just hits so good
and yeah fuck yeah. Anyways, Wednesday, Uh, Steve Boucemi's in it.
He has a wig and that threw me off. And
Billy Piper is also in it. I did not expect that.
But it's if you like the first season so far,
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you're probably gonna like this season. I don't really have
much to say yet because I haven't watched anymore other
than that, So give it a chance if that's your thing,
and let's go into some news. What news do we have?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Do we have news?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
We do?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Smith? Speaking of Billy Paper, Matt Smith has been cast
as a villain in the Ryan Gosling Star Wars movie.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Two are going to ham it up in a Star
Wars movie? Did you watch?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
My first thought was like, he didn't play a good
villain in that, But he's played a fantastic villain in
the House of the Dragon.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Oh yeah, he was the only one who knew what
movie he was in. He was hamming it up as
that villain. One thousands of that decision. Well, I mean probably. Meanwhile,
Jared Leto's over there trying to go for the oscar
for his performance, and Matt Smith is goofy and it
was amazing.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I'm all that it is goofy, But like when I
saw him the House of the Dragon, I was truly
impressed because it's so hard for me to look at
him and not see the doctor and not just the doctor,
but the doctor who wants to eat you know, fish
sticks with custard, yeah, or like who you know always
has a fed or not always has a FEDS. But
you know what I mean, that's where I go when
I see his face.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
So that's fair.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I think.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I'm I'm excited Ryan Gosling and Matt Smith and the
Star Wars. Yeah, Ryan Gosling, I'd watch read the Bible. Honestly.
I think he's hilarious. I think he's awesome, and I'd
like that he's in this Unseeri and he's supposed to
play a Jedi. I think in that too or something.
I don't know. It could be just making that up,
but I'm in find out. We'll find out Wednesday. We
already talked about is out now season two or part
two of season two? Because I don't understand the model here. Yeah,
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September thirty.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Cancel Netflix, yet you have to have it for two months.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Oh my god, I just I have things I could say.
But Hulu's going away. Speaking of things that are going away,
Disney is going to fully integrate Hulu into their stuff,
get rid of the standalone Hulu app, and slowly take
over the earth even more so, if you want your
favorite Hulu shows, you'll have to go to the Disney
Plus app and go through the Hulu thing. So if
you didn't want Disney Plus, but now you do, and
(15:51):
we're back to cable. Okay, we're back to cable.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I don't know what to tell you, Disney multiple cable
providers to watch what you want to watch.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Well, yeah, speaking of which, I I've cut out watching
WWE at a good time because now they're going away
from Peacock and ESPN bought them, and now you're gonna
have to have thirty dollars a month or whatever to
watch their pay per views unless you have cable, which
you can watch them for free. And I'm like, well,
I ditched WWE because they brought back a really problematic
figure at a good time.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You know what's interesting is I do wonder how many
like we watch sports less now because we don't have cable,
because it's like we have to pay for.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Some of the NFL cost you like twelve hundred bucks
at minimum to watch a full season.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Well, and then one year I bought the NBA package,
but then as soon as the game's got good, I
couldn't watch any of the heat games. I didn't buy
the NBAP they bought the Heat games.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, MLB does the same thing souch as NHL. Even
if you're out of market or like any you can't
watch your team, they block it out if it's considered
in market and market you have.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Like I used to have like Sports Center on in
the background or First Take on in the background, like
something on in the background all the time, So like
I don't ever have that. So I was like, I
don't barely watch What Center.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Now has a TikTok star doing like their reporting and
stuff like that to try to reach a younger audience,
which cool by all means, I would sign me up.
But I think the problem with modern day supports Center
is they fired everybody and they have Steven A. Smith,
so it's just a bunch of talking heads yelling at
each other.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Used to be such a You actually used.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
To get really good x's and o's. I would love
ESPN was always on. We would get very good game recaps,
you get your ex'es and o's. But now it's just
people yelling at each other and I don't care.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Well, that's also it's like, now, okay, we if UM's playing,
I'm like, okay, well what stationary they playing? Or what
do we have to download? Or can we do a
free trial? Or do we have to pay sixty dollars
for the whole month to watch this one game? Or
is maybe it's on the antenna? Did you they don't
live in Miami anymore?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Miami Miami only has four games outside of the state
of Florida this season, and they don't travel outside of
Florida until November.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I mean, I have all their games on my calendar,
but I haven't looked.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
You're welcome anyway. It's Punisher special presentation that's wrapped filming.
How you feel in there? Frank Scott Parkley new look,
I'm excited. DT might not be excited because DT doesn't
like anything in our discord. He was like, why are
we getting this? And I said, but why not? Because
it's Punisher and Punisher leads into our last bit of news,
which is we got some cool things. What's our last
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bit of news.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
My last bit of news is that my battery is
running low and I'm gonna plug it in.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Oh okay, well why do you do that? Spider Man
is actively filming right now. There picks Galore. Spider Man's
back on this practical effects. He's hanging from the wire,
he's web slinging, he's got explosions in the background. There's
some really cool tanks with some interesting logos on him,
and then of course he has the suit with the
raised webbing. But allegedly Punisher and LT are in this
(18:36):
movie as well. So just tread Lightley out there that
I've told you everything that we've seen so far, but
I am curious. I feel like I don't want to
see the whole movie before it actually comes out. But
that's the news we got. We'll be right back. We're
going to take a quick break as we are going
to go into Eyes of Wakanda, So bear with us.
We will see you in a month and we're back.
Welcome to episode one of Eyes of Wakanda. Into the Lions. Then,
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now to recap this one spoilers of course. If you
don't want spoilers, come back after you've watched it. And
it's twelve sixty BC. It's actually BC. Fun fact stands
for before cookout. Now we kick off in crete Pirates
are coming to attack cloaked and golden lions. Cut to
Wakanda and Nanni, who was kicked out of the Door
Millage for not being a good rule follower. She's asked
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to take down this lion leader as he is from
Wakanda and has their weapons. She succeeds, however, loses the weapons.
After being told she can come back to the Door Millage,
she declines and then chooses to become a war dog,
which war dogs are essentially the Cia of Wakanda. They
were mentioned in Wakanda Forever actually, and Nakia was one
as well. Their job nikit sorry my bad. Their job
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is to collect info around the world and keep Wakanda safe.
So this was the first episode, Lauren, what did you
think about this episode?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
So I wasn't really sure what to think. I didn't
have any idea going into this, and so after the
first episode I was like, oh, okay, this is interesting.
I wasn't really sure where they were going. I will
say I genuinely love the artwork, which I was very
excited about because I did not watch Spider Man freshman year.
I got maybe fIF two minutes. Oh and the artwork
was not for me. Doesn't mean it wasn't It wasn't.
I mean it was really cool artwork.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
It was you have to kind of get adjusted to.
I understand where you're coming from.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, I guess so, but I maybe it's how you
felt with I was gonna say Martian Manhunter artwork in
the book away from the story. Maybe. I don't know
if anybody, but I also didn't have anybody be like, no,
you have to go back and watch it. But I
thought this was I was shocked how far back we were.
I didn't know it was all the way before cookout.
But I liked it, and I like. One of the
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things I love about the Wakandas is going all the
way back and to present day, you don't really pick
up on sexism, and that's actually kind of really nice,
especially going back into the past and like you still
aren't dealing with an equal opportunity since day one just
about Yeah, I mean, you have the dormal lage and
you have the war dogs and stuff, but like they
they're both like bad ass. If the dorm Lage aren't
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more badass, so.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I feel like, yeah, they're the most badass non powered
group in Wakanda. I mean, obviously the black back Panther
has the power, but the dorm Logic they kicked some
serious ass.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Man. Yeah. So one of the things I really liked
about this episode. I'm going to wait till the end
because I didn't know where they were going, and so
I don't want to, oh, yeah, like here's your tim
Ley or your Timley, your Stanley tim cameo. Like if
you don't listen to cartoon or you don't like watching cartoons,
and you're listening to this, so you can just know
what's going on in MC without having to watch. I
want to wait till we get to the end because
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I was really excited to see where we got to
at the end. This certain character making me feel a
certain way. But what I thought was really cool was
seeing all these different cultures from around the world. You know,
we saw like a Viking in a Samoan and so
like this guy had gone around the world and collected
other like warriors, so to speak. To fight, you know,
for him.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, that's a good point. I do like that because
I was kind of confused at first. Almost I was, hey,
aren't they shouldn't they be Wakandan? And then he was Wakandan?
But like, well yeah, because what I enjoy is not
everything is black and white as far as you know,
Wakanda goes, which I thought was actually pretty rad in
its own respect because it gives you different takes. It's
(22:03):
just like any country, right, You're gonna have people who
are not going to be the good guys of their country.
They are gonna be bad guys. And so getting to
see this leader and then how badass you know, Nanny was.
She took him on, made it up there, and even
he was like, wow, you're the only one who basically
has ever made it this far. They do a wicked,
(22:24):
crazy duel like. Their fight sequence was awesome, probably one
of my favorites, if not my favorite in this entire
season or series. I don't know if they're going to
get more, but it was. It was really good, and
I thought the artwork was colorful. It flowed smooth. Their
fight flowed smooth because sometimes the animation it might not
flow as booth. Yeah, and this was beautiful. I love
the backdrop to the beautifulness of being at this island
(22:47):
and where we get to go and see and like
their armor was shiny, I thought, seeing a lot of
the technology that we're used to seeing for Wakanda, while
at the same time having it be so not Yeah,
it takes place so far in the past, so they
don't have everything.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Modern and aliens.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, but they're still at the same time so technologically advanced.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I mean they have texting in this Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Which is the next one, you know, uh, probably my
favorite episode of the four Legends and lies what happens
in this one.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
So this one we actually get to see Achilles and
a Wacandon working together. So we're in Greece, complete with
Trojans and all. So the Wallcandon's name is Bekai. However,
he's under the alias Memnon and he is serving with
Achilles under Odyssey's command. So together they're fighting the Trojans.
But Menmon has a mission to collect Waconda item because
we learned, you know, that's what these war dogs are doing,
are going around collecting all these items that have gotten
(23:38):
all over the planet because they're worried those weapons can
be used against Condon's, which is of course what we've
seen with nay More and everything. So so enter the
Trojan Horse plan, which of course we all know they.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Even any next year, okay, because we just this is it,
this is the Odyssey.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
You still think it was a terrible name for a
condom because these little guys get out of the horse.
They get out of always been escape.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yes, I've always been interested by that brand name because
even the Trojan soldiers they I don't know, I have
no idea.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Helen of Troy actually has the item from Wakanda. Achilles
sees Memon let Helen and Paris go after leaving him.
So basically, Menmon was fighting with Achilles and like they're
like bff, they've gone. They've been together nine years. Achilles
really thinks of him.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
As a ten year war in people don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
He even gave him a necklace that his mom had
given him, which he said was good luck. And I'll
get into a little bit of Greek iology. Yeah, So
he sees men Mom leave him basically to die. He
does survive, and then he sees him let Helen and
Paris go, and of course they fight Memnon gets his
gets him in the achilles heel by slicing his achilles heel,
(24:50):
even though he really didn't want to. He tried not
to fight his friend, but he did because Waconda Forever
wi Conda first. After holding him until he actually dies,
he then puts his coins on his eyes for the
fairy because you know, you got to have the tokens
for the fairy to get to the underworld or to
get to the next life. So then we see Beakai
ak Memnon talking with an older nanny from episode one
(25:13):
after he gets back to Wakonda. So he's got the
item he killed his best friend. Now he's back in Wakanda.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I love Italie in from episode one there, yes.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Because she's got the eye patch from the injury that
she's stained in that fight. And she's an older, wiser
nanny and you know she's leading the war dogs and everything.
And he feels guilty and he feels alone being back
in Wakanda and having done everything he did, and he
asks for another mission, and then he clutches the necklace
that Achilles gave him, which again was from his mom
and brought him good luck. So it's in the mythology Paris,
(25:45):
who was with Helena. Troy is the one who gets
Achilles in the heel with a poisoned dart because that
was the only part of him that was vulnerable after
his mother dipped him in the river sticks to protect him,
but of course she was holding his heels. Yeah, those
were not protected. So I love the connections to the mythology,
making it quote unquote realistic, even though this is you know, Marvel,
(26:07):
and it totally makes sense that we would see mythological
Greek mythological characters in this because not only do we
have Norse mythology, we have since met Hercules and Zeus,
so this is you.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Know, we'll see those guys again. But I as a
history nerd this obviously we know Homer's the Odyssey all
that was is amazing work. So to see Memnon for example,
being you know, Wakandan, I thought that was a really
cool way to introduce them into this. Uh, you know,
Troy was beautiful. It was really cool seeing watercolor paintings. Yeah,
(26:40):
it was beautiful. And then of course their fight against
that that lit fire and you can feel the pain
and Achille, you know, you were my brother, and he's hey,
please don't make me fight you. You know, I don't want
to fight you. I had to do this. And then
he goes to destroy the necklace and he's like, this
is what you came and betrayed me for. And it
was a very heartfelt moment. I thought the emotion was there,
and the emotional beats hit really really well again seeing
(27:04):
that Wakana's history is not so black and white. It's bloody.
They are self serving for a reason, like you look
out for your own and he had a mission to
go to and then when he does get back, there's
that really tender moment in the woods like we're talking
about where he's talking. I don't feel like me, I
feel alone. This sucks, you know, it's really really cool.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
You can definitely speak to what I'm going to say
way more than I can or have any business too.
But I imagine that every soldier that serves their country
has questions about, you know, how much you're doing is
right and how much do you carry home with that?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, especially with what you did was right or wrong
Afghanistan War. I mean, granted I've never had to make
those types of decisions, but I have parried caskets on
and off of planes, for example. And I've still seen
a lot of this stuff, and I've seen the aftermath.
And then not to mention the way everything ended up,
what was the twenty years for In the end, we
just packed up, left everything and just dipped. So you're right,
(27:56):
I mean, people have died and it really doesn't feel
like for anything. And you die for your nation, your country,
you put something on the line, you get back and
you're just kind of okay for what And those feelings
ring true with a lot of people, especially you see
a lot of veterans of the early days of the
two thousand and three war and things of that nature
that went on for so long. But it is a
(28:17):
very good parallel again using that and wrapping it all
in and I'm not going to get on a soapbox
about it, but I do like that. And then again
with Paris and stuff, I really loved the mythologicalness and
the lore playing a big factor into everything with them.
And all I can think of, too is what was
the two thousand and four movie or whatever, Troy with
Eric Banna, Brad Pitt, Orlando Bloom, all of them. That's
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what I was thinking in my head at the same time,
which is kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I was too. I was picturing Achilles getting stabbed with
the arrow.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
No. I definitely did as well. But it was a
good episode. This was probably, overall storytelling wise, my favorite
episode for how.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I think it was also fun to to see something
that you're familiar with, Like I'm not too familiar with
you know, twelve hundred BC, and you know, I really
like the other two too, but like this was a
time I.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Feel like we're very familiar.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, right, And like, you know, if you're.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
A history buff or if you're a cultured human, you
might know a thing about the ten years Trojan War.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Well over a woman kid, I know, I mean, but
also like there's only.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
A massive history major.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Kaylee dragged us all around Greece, showing us all these
different temples, and my god, the kid were at the
Acropolis Josh and like, can we just sit down for
a minute. She's like, can I keep looking at stuff?
She was twelve at the time, but hey, shout out
to Kaylee. Even though she doesn't listen to us. My
daughter just graduated from college with a major in history.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I enjoy when she comes to us because I'm a
history nerd and nobody else wants to go and look
at all those stupid things that you do. But I
will gladly get historical facts all day. I freaking I
like it.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
But I can't go as long as Kaylee can, and
the other two can't go at all all day. Other
kids don't give up unless it's the ice cream Museum.
They like that one.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Oh yeah to be Let's go on. Episode three, Lost
and Found now recap. This is fourteen hundred. After dominoes
another war Dog mission, Agent Basha wakes up next to
a pretty local girl, steals a dragon statue, yes with
some Wakandon artifacts stuck in it. He escapes into his
Wakandan shipped at home. A dragon curse supposedly protects the village,
(30:19):
which agent Basha is not buying, and returns home victoriously.
Basha is an agent who doesn't take anything very seriously.
As you can tell, he's just chill, laid back joking.
Suddenly we get Danny. This isn't Danny, it's the immortal
Iron Fist in Wakanda looking for Basha. Hold the phone,
the was Ah, the girl he left in bed Oh.
(30:42):
The plot thickened. See Fury, a man she found him
in a blizzard and nursed him back to health in
more ways than one. When he left, she followed him.
They both played each other a bit, and now she
wants what he stole. Jarani finds the room with the
artifacts and assumes as they just steal from others. Her
people had the statue with the Vibranian tongue for a
thousand years. She wants that back. They fight, and we
(31:04):
learned Girani defeated the dragon Shao Lie and took his
powers because she is the Iron Fist. Basha then defends
her from another Wakandan and he's insistent they work something out.
She then takes the tongue out hands it to Basha.
Basha apologizes to both of them, tells a lie to
High counselor so Jurani can leave all as well. Now
what is interesting about this is I think that this
(31:25):
is based on wu Au, She who was the last
woman Iron Fist. She was the first woman to defeat
Shao Lau, which then she took the dragon's powers and
used it and kind of, you know, became a tyrant
but a warrior, and she channeled his powers into arrows
that she would fire and things like that making him
more powerful, but yeah, they don't. Obviously Girani is differently named,
(31:48):
but I think that this is who she was based
off of because again defeats you know, the Shall Lie
and everything like that at the same time. So a
little bit of Iron Fist the Immortal and she showed
up that costume. It was awesome. I did like her outfit.
Her Iron Fist outfit was very comic bookie and I
really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, as soon as I saw the cover because it's like,
next episode and I see the Iron Fist.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I know, leave it to Disney to ruin what's about
to happen? Right, you know.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
One of the things I thought would have been cool
and I didn't look this up, but it didn't sound maker.
I was like, they should have like Colleen voice her
or something that would have been kind of.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Oh actually who somebody did voice her and it was
pretty It was Jonah Ziao. I don't know if I right,
it's not. She is a Chinese American actress. She's been
very so. She was in The Flash as Carrie Bates
for a while. She was in Ryan the Last Dragon.
She played Young Namari. But she's been in some other
(32:43):
TV shows and things like that, those would be she.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Did a good job. I just thought it would have
been a cool nod. I want to see Colleen again.
I'd rather see Colleen before we see Danny. I really
liked her. And I heard the actress was offered a
part and showing she and turned it down because she
didn't want to rete.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, yeah, and well I'm I mean, now we're getting there.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And yeah, she might have made a very good decision.
Mean not that being in shann she would.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Be a bad well they offered her, so I wonder
if her turning it down also played into hey, this
actress is really holding out hope, she wants it that
people want.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
All these characters want to come back.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, where like Jones is back, Why can't we get
lou Cage's mayor either. You know, there's no reason.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I would love to have Blue Cage's mayor. That would
be so cool. Yeah, and then Laura Kenney can come back,
and you know, there's no.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Reason Laura Kenny can't come back, especially with all his
multiverse crap.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Okay, oh yeah, they went back and got her, but
what was you know? With Blade though, it makes more
sense because his character died though, it's like these other
characters are I want Misty Night. We definitely need Misty
if they don't, if they bring everybody back and don't bring.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
It, I need to see Misty Knight and I need
to Captain America America. Yeah, I need to see those
two on screen together without a doubt we're getting off talk.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I need to see Sam Wilson Captain America turn into
a werewolf and Missy laugh.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah. Back to this episode. I really enjoyed this for
the fight sequences as well, but I thought it was
interesting because they were they have a lot of artifacts
from other places, which also plays into the final scene
of episode four in a way at the same time.
So what were your.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Thoughts so on episode three, I feel like it was
a more fun episode. I think that that was kind
of cool. It was nice to have. Oh, it was
a little levity in between, because these episodes were a
little darker and very violent.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I really liked when they both claimed that the one
seduced the other. No, I seduced you. But you know,
the other artifacts though they were originally theirs, they were stealing.
Is it stealing if you're stealing back with yours? I
guess not Jewish person to a Nazis house and says, hey,
this was my grandmother's painting. Are they wrong?
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I don't don't think so. I don't know what if
it could be, I don't know. These are all good
questions are putting on. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I thought you were going to be your grandmother's painting back.
They're just taking back this shit. That was their answer,
you said.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Was it there painting? And then this goes into like
the whole this this take the spirals in my head
because currently they're taking over other people's lands that they
shouldn't be taking that they say, is there.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
So so here's the thing. If I let's say I
steal a painting, let's always not even make it a painting.
I stole a Funko Pop and I give it to
you and I'm like happy birthday, and you're like, oh
my gosh, thank you. You didn't steal the Funko pop.
But you have the Funko pop, but yours. Now, However,
if somebody goes to and they're like, hey, you know
that Funko pop, Lauren actually stole that Funko Pop. Now
you know you have a stolen Funko Pop. So now
(35:29):
you have the intent to keep it there by owning
stolen property, or you can return it. So once you
know you have stolen property, aren't you also the thief?
So there you go. So now that you tell Geroni like, hey,
this was ours first, you guys stole it from us.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Lawyers, good job. If you have to arrest my defense, yes, but.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yes, the actual intent part can come later. So it's
like if you accidentally, you know, have something here, we
are going.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
To be starting up a special Patreon here that if
you need legal advice, giving you her phone number.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
If you're in the state of Florida, I can not
practice law on any other state.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I mean Florida man, for a reason, right, Florida's got
a lot of the issues. So go ahead.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Everybody has issues. We just have laws that allow you
to issues. Well, no, you have a Virginia man. He's
out there. You just don't have access to his records.
A second, he's arrested. Maybe he is thought you were
a Massachusetts man.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Am, but I live in Virginia. So maybe what if
they considered anyways.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Connect for the last partner and the last episode, So
we are in Ethiopia, city around eighteen ninety six, so
we've jumped ahead again. So Prince Tafari watches as a
battle ensues. This is the Prince of Wakanda and he's
trying to extract an artifact because that's what we're doing
in the show. He's with a bit of a babysitter
named Kuda. Cudah is a war dog, so the prince
acts recklessly but gets the gets the artifact. As Kudah
(36:52):
and the Prince go back and forth on different opinions
on how war dogs should behave. So someone shows up
and attacks. The attacker, however is will so they're very confused.
So they basically got the artifact. That coruning back to Wakanda,
somebody shows up and like causes chaos and they're like,
we don't know who this is, and of course Kuda
does not believe it's a Wakandan. However, because he doesn't
know her. She then shows them that she is a
(37:13):
Wakandan from five hundred years into the future, and she
says that everything has been destroyed and that's why she's there.
The whole world actually teamed up together to fight off
an alien attack. However, Wakanda, because of their laws kept
separate from everyone else and didn't help, causing the official demise.
If they had been able to help, they could save
the world. This attack was actually made by the Queen
(37:34):
of Wakanda and the very last black Panther. There's only
a few Dora Malaje left. However, they sent the Queen
back in time to the past to find out what
actually led to this into their laws being so strict,
and it turns out it was these war Dog missions.
They traced it back to these missions and the artifacts,
specifically the axe that young Prince Nafari was able to
grab so as it will, then, this grabbing this axe
(37:57):
starts a chain reaction that essentially destroys the world. So
they tell him, hey, you got to put this axe back. However,
as she's trying to convince them, she actually gets sucked
back to the future right after she tells them that
the current queen is pregnant, because she's like, hey, look,
I know the current Queen's pregnant. This is what me
trying to prove to you on future. Of course, Kudo's like, okay,
she's just crazy, and then the Prince is like, no, actually,
(38:20):
my mom is pregnant. It's just only family royalty info
right now. So they go on faith and they decide, okay,
let's go return the axe, and they actually do, and
then you think that the Kudah's getting left for dead,
but the Prince goes back and rescues Cudah and then
they tell everyone that they abandon their mission, but the
axe was definitely destroyed, so they lied. And they then say,
I wish we could see the future that hopefully we save,
(38:43):
and then we cut two. This is the best freaking scene.
I love this so much. We cut to seeing kill
Monger staring at the act in a museum.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
It was really good the way he looked from behind.
Of course you don't really see him, but yeah, and
I thought that was really cool how they tied that
all together very beautifully, if a little too because Kudo
was like, when they get back, you know, the Prince
was essentially I used my rank on Kuda and I
outruled him all that stuff, and he and I thought
(39:13):
that was really cool way for the prince to finally
learn the end. The whole time he was teaching was
that was the lesson within. You know, Kudo was trying
to teach him this lesson the whole time, and the
Prince finally kind of got it at the end was hey, no,
I pulled rank on him x y Z. And then
they had that nice talk of like you said, I
can't wait to see what hopefully we say the future
and all that kind of stuff. You see, kill Monger
(39:33):
was was dope. I really liked that, ending really really
liked it.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
The whole point was they needed Wakanda to see that
the rest of the world needs them, and kill Monger
did that. He's like, you know, you're you know, black
people are dying all over the world and you got
not doing anything. And so we actually go into a
little bit of that in a minute, because what you
see in the movie is his dad was a war
dog and he goes out there and sees how terrible
(40:00):
things are and Wakanda could help fix this. They could
literally help them.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
They could have helped the.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Word racism in more than that, and so many things.
And what is so interesting is episode one, the Lion
Guy reminded me of Killmonger. Yeah, like, what right do
we have to keep up just because the asteroid happened
to hit Wakanda. They get to benefit from this and
nobody else does. Like, that's that's literally all it is.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
It's a good point, I really did. Yeah, that's what
it is. I fully agree, and it makes a really
compelling argument to are they really I mean, their methods
aren't the best, but their message makes some sense.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
But I mean, I guess it's like the old you
know how much Like they've done a good job taking
care of their people, but it's like, do you have
a responsibility to take care of other people when the
whole world is attacked by aliens? I guess that's when
they realize, like, you do have a responsibility to take
care of Yeah, of your neighbors.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
You're all in this world together, which kind of leads
into some comic book origin that Lauren put together about
the war dogs. They were originally called the hattoot Zarazi,
which in Wakanda is dogs of war. They are Wakanda
in security forces that operate separate of the dor milage.
In the comics, they have become controversial and sometimes operate
without the authority of the Black Panther, and have even
been cut off, causing a bit of a revolt when
(41:14):
Ulysses's claw killed King Tachaka. The Hatut Zarazi led an
investigation to track down his killer in Black Panther two
thousand and five, issue number three. The war Dogs were
more of a secret until his death. However, Chachalla subsequently
banished the organization once he became king because he thought
them too extreme. The war Dogs retaliated by joining T'Challa's
a strange adoptive brother Hunter otherwise known as the White
(41:37):
Wolf side note this is Buggy's nickname in Wakanda. The
war Dogs at this point had become mercenaries, but still
felt loyal to Wakanda. Later, after Namore attacked Wakanda, Surri,
now on the throne, brought back the Hatouta Ziazi to
attack Atlantis. T'Challa was still alive and not happy about it.
And you know he kept them around once back on
the throne, despite the tensions that it caused. The war
(41:58):
Dogs at the end of the day down to defendable
content no matter what. So, yes, they they have had
their history and they've had their problems.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
In other movies like Killmonger had war Dogs on his
side and Black Panther and like we said, was on
a war dog mission and I really like that, like
the name more drama though, spawned from the Wokandon's becoming public.
So it's interesting that, you know, they question whether that
was a good idea to go public, because obviously re
Re wouldn't have created a vibranium finder. She didn't know
(42:28):
that there was vibranium. You know, we thought Captain America's
shield was the only vibranium. So we're like, this is
an issue that has become that will, I think and
hope become a bigger issue because I want to yea.
But obviously, the world being able to come together in
five hundred years to fight the literal globe being destroyed
is more important than Atlantis first, you know, the rest
(42:50):
of the way, not Atlantis. I can't remember what it's
called in the movie. Now. I love the Mexican twist,
but I can't.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I can't remember the name off the top of my head.
But no, there's a lot of good lores steeped in this,
and I am curious. I wonder if we get more
of this again. It takes so long, but there was
a writer strike, there was all of COVID and things
like that, so they did this.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Being a prequel, I feel like they probably weren't rushed.
It was probably like, No, that means you have all
these other things that are more important because it's present day,
whereas this was like a really cool backstory.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
No, you're one hundred percent right, that's what we have.
Though for this, I really enjoyed it. Absolutely, really really
love this. I love getting into some of this lore
like Marvel history if you will. I'm a big history nerd,
so anytime we get to dive into some of the
history behind the characters or there where they're from, especially
someplace like Wakanda that has a large amount of history
(43:46):
and the things that they've done throughout their time, and it's.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Another timeline for poor Loki to have to hold at
the end of time.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yeah that's true too, but it's also just more fun.
I don't know, you don't have to watch it. Didn't
understand what's going on in Marvel, but I really you should.
It was so fa Yeah, it was so good. It
really yeah true, but hopefully this makes you maybe go
watch it if not, if you haven't. But aside from that,
we will be going into our Peacemaker recap. Get you
ready for season two next episode that's going to be
(44:15):
on the lookout for that. We've got some supernatural coming
down the pipe as we get ready. Oh my gosh,
we have to finish. We've got a month.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
We're not finish on time. I told you that wasn't
gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
We will. I believe.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
It takes me way too long to prep for one episode.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I believe in us.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Okay, it's not even allowed to look at screens for
the next week. That doesn't matter. Even if you could,
that has nothing to with it. We still we're going
to do our best, but it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
To try. But in the meantime, make sure you like, subscribe, share, follow,
leave a review, all of that good stuff. Find us
on social media, drop us an email, all of that
fine jazz. Until we see you next time. Thanks for
hanging out with us. Cheers, everybody
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Sh
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