Episode 276: Man of Steel/ Batman V Superman

We are kicking it off with our comics:

Matt: Hyde Street 7, Predator Versus Spider-Man 4, Spider-man & Wolverine 2, New history of the DC Universe, Mr Terrific Year One 2, Peacemaker Presents: Vigilante/Eagly 4, and Absolute Wonder Woman 9.

 Lauren: Welcome to Twilight 4 and Rocketfellers 6.

 Lauren discusses Duma Key by Stephen King, and Matt chats about 28 Years Later.

After some news, they move on to this week's main topic! 26 min We chat Zack Snyder's Man of Steel, starring Henry Cavill and Amy Adams. Did Superman's killing of Zod make sense? Was this movie any good? We then chat about the highly polarizing Batman V Superman starring Ben Affleck, Henry Cavill, Jesse Eisenberg, and MARTHA!!!!!!!!! But, wait, Johnny Depp as Batman? Josh Hartnett as Superman?!

What is this about? Find out!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:27):
What is up? And welcome back everybody to another episode
of Hobskeek News. You're home for comic books, movies, TV shows,
and you know we typically feature a beer the week.
I am Matt with me as always is Lauren today.
This episode is the one that you may have been
waiting for, you may not have been waiting for. Lauren
has not been waiting for. I have been a mixed
bag and it's a Man of Steel. We're gonna talk

(00:49):
about Man of Steel. I will a little bit talk
about Batman v. Superman. I will not stomach to talk
about Justice League. So don't worry. We're just gonna breeze.
We're gonna give a like a footnote footnote, but we
to wrap pop our movies because we've been going getting
ready for Superman that comes out next week. We have
been talking all of the Superman films, so we have
to include these, and then next week's episode, before the

(01:12):
release of Superman, we are gonna drop our comic book Origin,
and then after Superman releases, we'll do our spoiler review
of the film. So super summers in full swing. Like subscribe, share,
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talk all that good stuff. And my beer the week

(01:33):
is from you know what, a good little brewery called
crank Arm Brewing out of Raleigh, North Carolina. It is
a double tandem, you know, double ipa tandem. It's got cats,
freaking cats on it. I'd like this kind of chose it,
I guess as a stretch because Batman v. Superman the
two biggest heroes in DC, and tandem bicycles are twice
the fun they head. They don't ride bicycles, but tandem

(01:54):
is our rendition of the beloved double Ipa and Pale
and Munich make up the malt backbone, which is by
a large bittering charge in this tasty behamos you know
behemoths to behemos like Batman and Superman. Hoops change on
tandem each batch, but the emphasis is on tropical and
fruity flavor and aroma. Grab a partner, take a ride.
We're going to take a ride today, folks. Lauren, what

(02:16):
are you drinking on over the yonder?

Speaker 2 (02:19):
So I should say I like Man of Steel. I
think it's a good movie. I love Henry cavill as
the Wolverine, as the Calverine. I love him as Superman.
He's the hottest Superman. But what I'm drinking is called
lunch date because you know Clark and Lois, you know,
eventually they're going to go on a lunch date because yeah,
you know, they just went straight to making out in this,
but they go on to lunch date. But also mainly

(02:42):
is invasive species.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I love that spot argue that Zod.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Is definitely an invasive species because he's coming to Earth
and he wants to grow all of the Kryptonians there.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Again, what you did there.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Are planet and making them an invasive species.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
I see what you did there. I do see what
you did there? Good call. I like that brewery a lot.
It's in Fort Lauderdale, so if you're there, it's a
it's a cool place. And it also is a distillery
as well, and they have a really good taco truck
right out front, so just outside downtown Hillary.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Maybe I did know that.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, well, I tried their their spirits, Carrie and I
did shots there too. Their spirits a really good. Everybody's
super chilled. They definitely smoke a lot of weed and
it's a good spot.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
It's so cool too because they have so much stuff
like taxi dermat around and like, I just sit there
at the barley because we've been there multiple times and
like I just can't stop looking around.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
And they have a mural on the wall, you know,
aast Ventura when he's aast Venterio two. That's what it
makes me think of sometimes and you're in there, you're like, yeah,
that's kind of what that reminds me of. But yeah,
so you know this is if your first time listening.
Go ahead and uh, we do what we've been reading
or watching some comic book recommendations that we're reading, well

(03:49):
we've been watching lately, some news, and then our main topic, Lauren,
I have a laundry list of things. So do you
want to go first? You want me to go first?

Speaker 2 (03:56):
I've been killing it. I can get mine out of
the way away.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Your reviews are excellent. These are good comic books. You
got here.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
You actually This week I reviewed two of my favorite
current runs. One is Welcome to Twilight number four from
dark Horse Comics. That's part of the Minor Threats universe.
This wrapped up this run. They've had multiple different runs
in the Minor Threats universe. That's Jordan Bloom and Patton
Oswald created that and Keith Heburn And this one's in
particular because they've been doing different writers for this run

(04:24):
because this was the anthology, So this one was by
Gary Dugan, Patton Oswald and Jordan Bloom are by Mark Torres.
It was really cool. So we meet the Cleaner, the
cleaner of Twilight City, and basically he's what you would
think he would be, where like, hey, you know, I
accidentally did this to this person. Can you come clean
up this mess? And of course the accident in which
somebody passed away reminded me of a particular scene from
the Boys, and I'll leave it at.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
But I really liked this character because he's very creative
in his job, but he also seems like he's kind
of a good guy. And I love pulling out the
good guys in this world because this world that they've
created is full of d bags, right like shit Eater
is one of my favorite he's the barfly. Crab Louis
is one of my favorites, and I think the Cleaner
might be number three. So loving this run. You could

(05:07):
pick up this run by itself and it will make
complete sense, or you can read all of it if anything,
like pick up one of them Welcome to Twilights, just
see if you like it. Number two is more related
to a past story, but the other three can kind
of be enjoyed stand alone completely and if you like it,
then you can go back and get more. And then
the other thing I reviewed this week was the Rocket
Fellers that's part of Ghost Machine at Image Comics. This

(05:29):
too has been so much fun because it's the family
that is hiding in the year twenty twenty five, and
they make comments about how like archaic our time is
because yeah, yeah, entries in the future, but they're hiding
from like kind of like time hunter kind of thing,
like not time rates, but you get the gist, and
the people are kind of getting closer to them, and
then there's an eyeball that the dad's been researching and

(05:49):
the eyeball goes missing, and then the dad finds the
eyeball and all chaos and sues and they find out
there's something going on with his daughter. But it's still
it's it's a lot of chaos and it's sci fi
and it's action packed. Are such a down to Earth
Family and it's really funny.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
At the same time, I am so far by. That's
like I said that Hornsby and Halo I'm really behind in,
so I need to catch up. But I do love
the covers and I love I did. Actually we went
to the comic shop today and Oliver was looking at
comics to buy and he picked up Rook Exodus on
his own, so I got him issue one. So maybe
he's going to start diving into the ghost Math. He's
not reading Hyde Street yet, He's not there, but you know,

(06:25):
I would like to get him started in Hornsby and Halo.
Rook Exodus and then the Rocketfellers would be good reads
for him to get introduced into the world of Ghost
Machine and comic books as well. So I do need
to catch up in there. That's one thing I definitely
have to do.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
But before I talk about the book that I read, Yeah,
why don't you go into your comics and pick up
with Hyde Street because I did read that too.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Was oh yeah, so Hyde Street Man Ghost Machine. So
you got Brad Anderson, Jeff John's, Danny Meeky, Ivan Reese, there,
all Rob Lay This one is issue seven, so Pranky
is on the prow for odd Man, you know, the
failed actor turned Frankenstein, and they kind of come ahead,
come to blows. There's this mysterious man that they come
upon who keeps walking in circles, and Jeff really takes

(07:06):
us down a dark and twisted area that I didn't
I wasn't prepared for, and it makes it's a horror.
So like, I'm okay with that in the grand scheme
of their taking souls, But to even see where Prankie
was to the point of like, ohell no, and you
almost actually feel bad.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, to know why Pranky is the way he is
a little.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Bit you do it? Did it gives you a heavy
hint as to what happened to him as a boy
scout And so.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
I didn't even put that together.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, it is fricking dark, dude, But it continues to
be so good. You So you're caught up on Hyde Street.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
I think I missed one issue, but yeah, I've read
the recent one. What is so?

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I know you said it's good, but what were your
kind of takeaways from this most recent issue.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
I think this is similar to you. It was like
you felt for him and you're like, that's why he
is the way he is. And then when you learn
that about because you know you're feeling bad for this
one guy, and then it just kind of twists you
want to say anything more because I feel.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Like I feel like if you're you should be able
to kind of pick up what we're putting down at
this point. Maybe, but yeah, it's it's pretty crazy, man.
I would absolutely recommend no at all, And there's there's
reasons for everybody. It is extraordinary. Go pick that up.
But the next thing I read was Thing issue number two. Now,
this is Tony Fleek's Justin Mason, Alex Sinclair, Joe Kara Magna,

(08:33):
if you know anything, his old bully, you know, Marty
Flynn is looking for his niece. So he comes to ask,
you know, Ben Graham, hey help me out. So where
we left off in this issue is they meet bulls
Eye now. And it's really funny because Ben Grimm's essentially like, hey,
you know you're you're throwing ninjas stars at me and
it doesn't hurt me, dude. And then he's even like,

(08:53):
where's where's this guy's niece? And what's funny is Bullseyes
just essentially, dude, I'm not even that, why would you
think I'm not even that kind of bad guy. I
would never hurt a kid, And so it's it's kind
of stuff.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Like that, Like he's like, I feel like there was
something with Joker where he's like, I'm not that evil.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Come on, man, evil, I'm not that bad. That's what
Bulls Eye was essentially.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
When they talk about like Nazis and stuff, they're like,
I'm not a Nazi.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Like you know, when there are bad guys or won't
cross a certain line. It's like, yes, I love it.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Or like when Homelander rolls his eyes at Stormfront talking
about Nazis, it's fantastic. He's like, could you just stop
with that crap? Yeah, evenny evil guy.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
You're just okay, hold on a second. This is kind
of crazy. But yeah, that's essentially what happens with Bulls Eye.
And then there is another surprise character that shows up
in this one that I think people are gonna it
wasn't like a big whoa this guy, but it is
a pretty well known Marvel character that I think is
pretty cool. As they weave some things into here, and
there's a pretty good take on bullying where the guy
essentially has been bragging about how he bullied Ben Graham

(09:55):
growing up, and you know he was essentially why would
you brag about that? Still? And he goes because and
the only guy that can say he beat up the thing,
and Ben kind of looks at him with this just
feel bad for you kind of look and also a
forgiveness look that I thought was really well done in
the art. So it's really solid. Next, I did you
know The New History of the DC Universe by Mark Wade,

(10:17):
Todd k Nowk, Jerry Ordway, Matt Hearns, John Calis. This
is the new fresh Basically, this is how the DC universe,
This is their fresh start, this is their history and flash.
Barry Allen's retired, but he's breaking down the history of
the DC from the very get go all the way
Benning in a time and this kind of leaves us
right around you know the Silver Age comics where those
kind of pickups. So we this is issue one. There's

(10:38):
gonna be multiple issues. I actually have it right here.
The artwork is really good. I would recommend anybody pick
it up, and especially because it can be really hard
to essentially decide, like, hey, I don't know the history
of comic books and there's a bunch of heroes that
we don't know of and call back to, and so
it could be a good reference point for folks. I'm
sure there'll be a compendium at some point Aside from

(10:59):
that Versus Spider Man issue three from Ben Percy, Marcella
fer Aria, Jade Leiston, Frank Darmata. This one is another
really good banger issue, setting up for the final issue,
which I'm not ready for. Craven's still hunting. He wants,
you know, New York City to be a blackout. Spider
Man I became Spider Man. That's one of the things

(11:20):
that adds, you know. It's essentially Spider Man's facing off
against three different predators who are hunting down the main predator,
Mary Jane has to hide in a pile of living rats.
It's gross. And another one that's Spider Man, Spider Man
and Wolverine issue too, Mark Guggenheim, Brian Reeber, Carrie Andrews.

(11:41):
This one really read this, Oh, I will bring it
to you.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
It's already in my box in my comic shop.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
I was gonna say, I will. I don't want to spoil,
but just know like there's some really good artwork in
this and it goes hard. These two beat the ship
out of each other. Man, Peter is enraged. It's the way,
if you know, if you've read the first one, the
way it was cliffhangered. It was setting up a big fight. Yeah,
they don't hold anything back in this. It is gnarly

(12:09):
picked that one up. I got mister Terrific Year one
issue too, from al lets In, Valentine Delandro, Marissa, Luis
Edwin Gallaman. Yeah, Louis, Louis, Lucas Catoni g's I can speak.
I'm sorry. This is basically Michael Holtz contemplating suicide and
Specter comes and gives him that, you know, the the

(12:30):
Christmas Spirit talk basically going through life, and he's going
through his past and if you still want to commit suicide,
and I see yeah, and he's he's I think mister
Terrific is gonna be very important to what DC's doing
with their All In series as well, is what they're
setting up for. And so Specter's like, hey, man, if
you still want to kill yourself, I won't stop you.

(12:51):
And it kind of goes from there. So this is
his origins now in this All In DC universe really good.
He's lost his wife an unborn kid, and he feels
bad because he didn't want a kid, but then once
they passed away, it's all he could think of wanting.
So it's it was deep man, and then Absolute Wonder
Woman Issue nine came out. I love that so Kelly Thompson,
Hayden Sherman, and Jordie Blair, Becca carry loving this Doctor

(13:14):
Poison kind of helps lays a trap for Diana. She's
very bullish, bullheaded in this and don't There's not much
more I can say without spoiling that one. Loving that series.
And then the last thing that I've read was the
Vigilante Eagerly Double Feature Issue four from you Know, DC Comics.
James gunn is the story consultant Tim Ceely, Mitch Garrett's

(13:35):
rex Ogil Mitteil Lally, John Kelly's I will say there's
a couple of scenes like it kicks right off with
a vigilante essentially playing with the used condom and trying
to find what's up with Peacemaker, and then there's a
scene of an old lady getting banged out by somebody
else and it's I was basically like, oh my god, guys,

(13:56):
give a guy a warning. Jesus, this is this is tough.
It's it was, it was. It's very funny, very hilarious,
it is crazy, and I think more people should read
this in all honesty. So that's what I've been reading.
Why don't you I'll take a breath before I talk
about the two things I've been watching a little bit,
so you can talk about your book of the months.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
So my book. I only read one book this month
for no Initiative because we were doing a book club.
So if you want novel recommendations in addition to comic
book recommendations, you can go to anard initiative dot com
and type an a book review. Somebody this month actually
reviewed Jaws that at one by Peter West from the seventies.
Somebody else reviewed the book called Supermarket, which sounds very
interesting and was actually written by Logic who's like a

(14:39):
rapper as well. And so I did Doom a Key,
which is the Stephen King book that actually Ernie Altbacker,
who we had on the podcast a few weeks ago
recommended when we went off on a tangent about Stephen
King books. So I grabbed that one. It was very interesting.
It takes place on the west coast of Florida, which
obviously I love that because I'm getting Florida references.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, I'm familiar with the area.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
This guy basically is he has like two grown kids
are like in college, and a wife and he gets
into this terrible accident. Oh it's like a work side accident,
and he ends up losing his one of his arms.
He goes, this is his right arm. He has issues,
is like in physical therapy, got bad head injury. So
he forgets things and like and you know, he gets
very angry too. So he's dealing with all these things.

(15:20):
Something happens with his wife that he doesn't even remember,
to the point where his wife's like, look, I can't
be married to anymore. So in a very quick matter
of moments, yet he's divorced and he's you know, disabled,
and he's struggling, and you know, it's it's hard for
him to even walk without being in pain. He's on
a lot of drugs and everything. So one of his
friends is like, look, you just and his therapist is like, look,
you need to just go somewhere else, check out, you know,

(15:42):
kind of regroup, kind of restart and get you know,
a fresh kind of start, and so he ends up
at doom a key, which is it's a made up key,
I believe, but it's off the coast of like Sarasota,
and is it or.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Is it hidden from everybody else?

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Oh? Well haha. So he ends up, you know, eventually
he meets the neighbors. He comes around and somebody's like, well,
what's something you used to love to do that you
haven't done it in a while. It's like, I used
to love to draw. They're like, you should draw. So
he starts drawing and it becomes this thing that kind
of takes over and he's really good at it and
people start to recognize it. He's really good at it.
But then it's like how much of it is talent

(16:19):
and how much of it is there's supernatural shit going
and there's a supernatural reference in it that actually goes
to mythology, and they bring in the whole you know,
because he's on the ocean. So there's shit going on,
and it's a lot of stuff going on, and it's
really good. I we'll still say Salem's Lot is still
my favorite Stephen King book. I haven't read that many,
but my collection is slowly building. But this this was

(16:42):
a really good book. This one came out in like
two thousand and eight, so if you've.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Only know so, it was kind of relatively newer, yeah
for Stephen King, Yeah, because we're used to that's I mean, yeah,
it's like seventies and eighties stuff.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, but no, it was really good. It's about six
hundred pages, so it's a solid read. It's not like
super fast read, but it's not like The Stand, which
I have the Stand and I just haven't started because
so freaking along daunting.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Man, I'm telling you, sometimes you you know, you can
read those, but I feel like sometimes it's just a
pure volume of how large the book is. That kind
of gets you intimidated to start reading. But then you
start reading it next you know you're done in no time.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
So right, Well, for me, I feel like usually the
first half of the book I'll read a little slower,
and then once it hits that like pivotally through the
second half.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
You really just want to take your time. But then,
like you said, I.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Feel like it happens to me a lot where all
of a sudden I can't put the book down and
I'm reading, you know, two pages while I'm standing in
the kitchen because I just want to keep reading. But
my full review is up on nerd Initiative if anybody
wants to hear a little more.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
That's right. All of our comic and book reviews are
up on nerd initiative dot com. By the way, make
sure you go check that out. I would kill to
be on a Disney cruise reading a book right now. Gosh,
something about that just sounds so good. Something you got
to do?

Speaker 2 (17:53):
You book on the balcony of my cruise weekend. We
have to go back because the Star Wars bar is
really cool. By the time this episode has come out,
I will have a TikTok showing.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
The Star Wars bar on the boat.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Oh and yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
You didn't, Oh why you knew?

Speaker 2 (18:11):
No? Okay, so this is okay. The podcast The Princess
and the Scoundrel, they've gone on like meet and greets
there for the for the Hyperspace lounge. So it's just
a little kind of bar and the screen will go
like you're in hyper Yeah, we went on the wish,
we went in hyper space and it changes scenes and
so we went there all three nights, all three nights
before dinner. I wanted to sit in there, and so

(18:32):
we finally sat at the bar and I asked, guys,
so there's I had heard there was a five thousand
dollars drink and I'm looking at They give you like
basically an iPad because it's a data pad to look
at the drinks, and I see the five thousand dollars drinks.
So I asked the guy. I'm like, okay, what is
this about.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, now I remember that I didn't.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yes, So you get a drink. It comes in the
ice cream maker kind of thing like that they you know,
use in the movie. You can actually buy that at
Hollywood Studios. Now drink gives you, you know what. Josh
was in such a good mood, and Crypto has been
so good. I think if I had really wanted to,
he probably would have, but I was not because what
you get. You get four ticket to George Lucas's vineyard
and Sonoma.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
And you were taken me right and absolutely, but.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
We didn't buy it.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
She says that, but it's open.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
It's not open to the public, So this is I think,
I don't know if this is the only way that
us common folk can visit.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
It is unless you had.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Josh wasn't. Josh was going to get a glass of wine,
and he's like, like the wine he wanted was like
thirty seven dollars. It was from George Lucas's vineyard. He's like, yeah,
I think I'm just going to get a beer.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
I would drink that wine. I'm the stupid idiot that
pays that just to be like, I drank wine from
George Lucas's vineyard.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
I don't even know what beer I drank. I was
upset because I wasn't upset, but sorry to be upset.
But they usually have a moustafar black ale and I
was excited and they're like, oh, we're out of that,
but we have an eyepace.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
So I got the ac that means we got to
go back and oh my gosh, I want to go on.
That's so bad now I know, all right, but.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
I'm going to make a TikTok. I did, And the
guy was so sweet too. He's like, when this when
the story was a Star Cruisers, Like when the star
Cruiser gets to this line, that's when it's gonna go
hyper speed. Because you could tell. I wanted to get
a video. So the bartenders were really sweet.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Well, you know, when we're in Ashville this weekend, we
got a couple of cruises we got to talk about. Anyways,
so may or maybe anyways, you know, I want to
talk about a couple of things that I've watched. Ironheart,
I've watched, but I got to rewatch because I wasn't
fully engaged because I was reading because I had to
read for the podcast All Star Superman. We're gonna, yeah,

(20:31):
we're gonna break it down. We're gonna we're probably gonna
actually probably watch it at Ashville this weekend. Mar children
hot have drinking beers, and then we're gonna wrap up,
wrap it up next week when the sixth episodes, So
don't worry, we're gonna do a full breakdown to give
it the deserved attention. Because what I can tell you
so far, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
I was just gonna say a more comment on because
there was references to Black Panther that some people.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
There was there was oh man, there was something that
I forgot. I think we knew who this character was,
but I forgot. And when they said the name, I was, oh,
So far the show is really good. I can say
that much. So I want to like rewatch it and
catch the references and really dive in.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
It was three episodes at nine.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
That's that's really hard. I'm old.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
I'm a night person. But so we didn't sit down
to watch it until ten thirty. I just could not
keep my eyes open, man.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Not evenna try, But I did watch. Twenty eight years later,
Danny Boyle's film came out. I won't spoil it just
in case I.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Haven't watched it. An these we're doing this at Halloween, right,
aren't we doing all these?

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Well? We will need to because this movie is really good.
A lot of people had issues with it. But I
think that media liturgy is just kind of dead anyways.
People don't know what they want in films. You want
an original film, we get an original film. They complained,
you want, you know, we give. I don't know. People
just media literacy is dead and people cannot actually sit
and think about a movie when after they watch it,

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and so they have complaints. This movie is good. I
liked it a lot. Aaron Taylor Johnson was in it.
He did a really good job. Ralph Fine's was probably
the best part of the movie. Alfie Williams as a kid.
He crushes it. I thought the cinematography and the sound
design was really well done, and there's a lot of
references to twenty eight days later and things like that
that I need to go back and kind of cat

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So yes, now let's take a quick commercial break and
we'll be right back with some news. All right, there's
news if you guys there. There's a wonderful picture of
me dying of heat stroke and sweat so one of them.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
I just learned I can do this because I'm on
my iPad. Matt put in the news section that there's
a live action Brats film with Kim Kardashian. So I
was writing, like, is this news? Like I never let
my kids watch or play with Brats. I'm not a
Kardashian fan. I just so I went to add the
puking emoji to this while he was talking, and I
didn't know that you can add stickers because I'm on

(22:50):
my iPad. I didn't know you could add stickers to
Google raps, and so I added a sticker of Matt
super sweaty and making a face like really.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
I yeah, no, that is not news. But I figured
somebody out there Brats was something my younger sister played with.
So I didn't like I don't care the love that.
Uh yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
But something I do care about, you know, the Na
Na Megan Maggie. I just wrapped. I'm sorry, I just
once I realized I could put that in there. So
the Nigan and Maggie Show just wrapped. And Darryl Dixon
has officially been announced season three for September seventh. So
there you go, all right for that? And you know
what I just learned. So we're leaving tomorrow to start

(23:32):
meeting you in Asheville. We're spending some time in Jeckyll Island,
which was already the plan. I learned today that they
filmed some of the Walking Dead in Jeckell Island on
the Driftwood Beach, which we were already planning on going to.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
No, you just had a good joke, was hide there? No?

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Okay, Well, he's only there when Jeckyll's not.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Top Gun three is happening, Speaking of thirds, Maverick will
be facing an exist central crisis. First of all, the
dude's like sixty something, he's still not flying fighter jets.
I'm sorry, Tom Cruise, I'm sorry. Am I going to
be there? Seated night one. Yes, however, I guess well
that and like you're probably retired. I don't know. Well typically,

(24:11):
first of all, if you're sixty something and still like
a captain in the navy, you know you're probably really
shitty and so they force retired you at a certain point.
But what do I know, man, I don't know anything.
Now there is a Mummy film that just wrapped up.
It's coming April twenty twenty six. I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
One was the last time we got one?

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Awful Tom Cruise one. Actually, remember when.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Tom Cruise was in the Mummy.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Remember when they tried to reboot their Dark Universe and
Tom Cruise and Russell Crowe in them were in the Mummy.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Wait, we're not talking Mummy Brendan Fraser Mummy, are we.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
I don't know what the I think this is a
reboot because actually, speaking of Oliver watched the Brendan Fraser
Mummy and he really liked it. But I don't know this.
I think this is rebooting the Mummy franchise. I want
to say, I haven't heard anything about it. I came
across this so more to com I didn't know they
were filming this. But yeah, there's one last piece of news.
Were you an X Files fan?

Speaker 2 (25:07):
No?

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Oh, well, I like legos, and there's an X Files
lego set in the works, So somebody's gonna be happy
about that. I would never I'm interested to see what.
I never watched the show. Really, I kind of bit
some pieces, so I'm curious what they would have on it.
I don't know. Somebody's happy about natural.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
References to X Files and a lot of people from
X Files worked on Supernatural.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Doesn't surprise me at all. Actually does not surprise me
at all. Well, let's go ahead, take another break, and
we will be back with Man of Steel Batman v.
Superman in just a moment. All right, dudes, it's Man
of Steel time. This film came out in twenty thirteen,
starring Henry Cavill, Amy Adams, Michael Shannon, Diane Lane, Laurence Fishburne,

(25:48):
Russell Crowe, and so so many more. David Goyer wrote
the screenplay with the help of Christopher Nolan. Zack Snyder directed.
This movie made six hundred and seventy million dollars. She
watched this movie on my first deployment in the military.
Fun facts. Back when you could buy bootleg DVDs from

(26:08):
the on base person that would sell bootleg DVDs and
you needed something to watch. That's how I watched this.
I watched it bootleg in a tiny, little moldy infested
shack on my laptop.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
You know, when I put this songs. This came out
twenty thirteen, so Josh and I had already been married,
Brielle was already born, and so I asked him, do
you remember the first time you watched this? And he's like,
I don't think i've seen this. So I probably watched
it by myself when it came on DVD or streaming
or something, because I don't think I went. I don't
know that if he hadn't seen it, although he falls
asleep a lot, but so yeah, I think I just

(26:42):
watched this by myself at home. But I definitely remember
watching it. You don't forget Shirtless.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
That's true, Henry cavill I liked Look, I know we'll
get into it, but I liked this movie. I don't
think I we'll dive into it. Why don't you go
ahead and give us a breakdown of this film before
we kind of go into our thoughts and fun facts.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
So we start how Superman movie start on Krypton with
a baby Kall. However, this movie goes into some more detail.
We learned that Cal is the first natural birth in centuries.
We also see that Jerell and Zod were once close,
but as Cal is launched to Earth along with the
codex that will continue their people, Zod actually stabs Jerell.
Zod is an arrested for murder in high treason and

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sentenced as he threatens Lara that he'll find Kall, and
he is sent up to space in prison. We then
watch Laura watch the end of Krypton, and you could
tell there was a familiarity between the two of them
the way he's talking to her. What you pointed out
is Vanessa. So it's Miss Vanessa. Zeus and Wilson, Fiske's
wife have a baby.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
No wonder fisk is so protective, right.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
She's sleeping with gods. So flash forward no pun intended
to a grown up Clark working on a ship. There's
an oil rag nearby where all the men are about
to die, so Clark decides to go and save them.
As he floats, we see you know, he saves them,
and then he falls into the water and as he's floating.
There's some humpbacks, a little mom and a baby super cute,
and we see flashbacks of when he gets his powers
and when they start to kick in and he like

(28:04):
completely loses his mind because it looked terrified, like the
teachers muscles and skeleton and organs and stuff. And then
Clark learns that he isn't from this world. So then
we go back to growing up Clark and he's waiting
tables until a customer dumps a beer on his head
and he dips, but not before he puts.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Like timeout, time out. Timeout. Who just randomly dumps a
beer in a big beefy man like Henry Cavill in
a bar. This guy is not any match for normal
human being. Henry Cavill looks like somebody who just pick
you up in a bear hug and crush your body
into pieces in two seconds. Right, So the fact that
this he just throws a beer starting a fight? Who who? Who?

(28:43):
In their right mind?

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Well, this is the same guy that was mean to
Castiel and supernatural, so maybe there was quite a few
supernatural people. One of the guys on Krypton that's death
Gudriel was one of the people that like got Amy
Adams off the helicopter.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
There's quite a few simples did not know that. Okay,
all right?

Speaker 2 (29:03):
So then we meet Lois Lane. She's getting off of
a helicopter in Canada. Gadriel greets her and Clark is
helping him with her bags. There's something under the ice.
Lois goes out at night to take pictures and sees
Clark and follows him as one does. Lois ends up
getting hurt, and Clark immediately tells her he can do
some stuff and cauterizes her wound. Clark disappears after that,
along with the ship in the ice. Lois says it's

(29:24):
all alien, but Pierri tells her, no, it's not. Don't
run that story. Turns out the ship do it from
I'm going to do It? The ship was actually from
when the Kryptonians had stations on so many different planets.
Durell meets cal and fills him in and shows him
the Superman costume, obviously the hologram of Durrell. Back to Lois,

(29:45):
who does some investigating and hunts down Clark. She makes
it to his mom and finds him. He tells her
about his dad, and then we get a horrible flashback
of Jonathan Kent saving the dog and forcing Clark to
let a tornado kill him. I feel like this was
one of the moments I remember the most when I
watched it because I hated it, like watching Kevin Costner
just tell him, like, no, stop, why didn't you just
let Clark go out there? Why didn't you, like you

(30:05):
knew he would have been fine. You knew he was
gonna be invulnerable, and it could have just been like, Oh,
a miracle of God that he survived.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
This unsay, Yes, but I.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Guess we gotta let Jonathan die, even though in like
because I've been reading some of the comics this past week,
which I've never done before. Some of the comics Jonathan's
still alive. Why did we have to kill him? Whatever,
He's got to go back to the ocean and with
his gills and webbed feet. All right, So back to
the present. Something has entered the atmosphere. Zod tells everyone everywhere,
in every language, on TVs everywhere that they are not alone.

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And he tells everyone he wants klile and he should
surrender in twenty four hours or the world will suffer.
As the FBI grabs Lois because they know she knows
some stuff. Clark goes to a priest, which I thought
was very interesting, who basically tells him to surrender to Zod.
Clark then shows up as Superman and says he'll surrender
if they let Lois go. As Superman surrenders to Zod,
they now demand Lois come to up in the spaceship.

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Clark begins to spit blood and pass out. Here. Clark
learned that the destruction of Krypton Freedzod and the others,
and his body has gotten so used to Earth that
he can't handle the atmosphere in their spaceship.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yes, I actually liked that addition into their.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Honestly, Oh it makes complete sense.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
And he takes it off and he's just like, ah,
weak and everything like that, and you don't really kind
of see that. Meanwhile, the Kryptonians learned that Clark holds
the Codex in him and he doesn't need to be
alive for the Codex to be retrieved, which is a
really cool sequence to where there's just a bunch of
dead bones and skulls and all that stuff. But Lois

(31:33):
finds Clark hah and says that she knows how to
stop them. After talking to Ghost you know, Zarel, Clark
flies right up into the spaceship explodes it, you know.
Lois then goes to plug Intorel, but it's a no
go as Zod destroyed his ai as Lowis falls in
the ship because she just loves dramatically falling from things.
Lois then crashed into another ship or sorry, a ship

(31:56):
that intention crashed into another Kryptonian ship. Superman saves her.
They make out front of Lois's boss. You gross, Now
it's col Versus Zod. Zod explains he exists only to
protect Krypton, as that's why he was created, but now
he has no people, so he's going to kill all
of the humans, kill as many as he needs to.
As Zod is trying to laser a family to death,

(32:17):
Clark reluctantly breaks his neth neth, he breaks his neath,
he breaks his neck, very upsetting for Clark, who goes
up and then destroys the surveillance drone at the very end,
telling the military to back off. He's here to help,
but he needs to do it his way. And you're
never going to find out where I live. General, And
it's nothing it's just he's kind of hot.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
I know that was stupid and unnecessary, Like, yes, he's hot,
we know that, but like, come on, dude, are we
doing this like nineteen fifties, like, oh, he's.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
So handsome, kid, he's so hot. First of all, a
captain isn't going to say that in general, like be
so real.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
It was so stupid. Yeah, this isn't like over some
beers or something.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Oh god, uh, you know Clark and this movie by
showing up at the Daily Planet as him, But yeah,
that's that's the movie.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yep. And Lois is very happy, so she knows who
he is from the get go. I actually very much
still like that.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
All right, let's talk about her thoughts and reactions, and
you like that she knows who he is from the
get go. I don't disagree with that. I'm okay with that.
I think Amy Adams was actually a good Lois. I
feel like, with a better script, she because she's very
she has the lowest spunk to her right, she's very
certain boss girl and that kind of stuff. You know.

(33:33):
I don't mind that, And I actually think it's kind
of cool that she shows up into the Fortress of
Solitude essentially with you know, Superman and everything like that.
I think that was kind of cool, with the robots
and stuff. That was all kind of really rad. And
she finds out due to her detective work with the
paper who it is and then ends up letting that
go that I actually likes. It's definitely a different departure

(33:55):
from the other Superman film we got where Lois never
really knows who Clark is, and when she does, it
gets erased from her memory, which is dumb because she knew.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, I didn't like that.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
I don't like it at all.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Elligen Lois would just figure it out.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Not to mention. You know, those two were supposed to
be together, you know, like be together. So it's stupid
that in those movies she never knew who he was.
They even had a kid together. It's kind of whack.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I feel like they've ruined it when they said for
you to be with somebody, you have to give up
your powers. I feel like that's when they were, you
know what, Smallville. In Smallville, Tom Willings Clark did give
up his powers.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Which I think is dumb because but he.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Was married to Lois though in the finale, so they
were married before he chose to do that, which means
he had years of being Superman.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Just fine, right, because that works fine for me because
Lois Lane would never ask or have Superman give up
his powers. Ever, that's not their relationship.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
That's one of the reasons I love Superman and Lois
so much the CW show because you see him being
Superman and balancing having kids and he's trying. You know,
you can't have it all, whether you're a man or
a woman, you can't have it all. And you see
super struggle with that, and I love, love love that.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
I agree that's a that's a big win for me,
you know. I also really liked the guy who is
in you know, Law and Order, the big white guy
who's the military guy in this movie. I don't remember
his name, but he's the pilot who sacrifices himself as.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
He's about, Oh yeah, I'm just going to stand toe
to toe from Oz. He's from a bunch of stuff.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
He's in a lot of stuff, you know. He's a
big TV actor, and I thought he was really really
cool when he stood up to the Kryptonians and then
he crashes the plane. He had a really cool death.
I didn't want him to die, but.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
He's an honorable death. Yeah that was good.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, Now I like the costume design. What do you
think about their the costume design we don't have under Rus.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
I love him and Tyler Hockland. Those are my two favorites.
I don't like the unders are not sexy, guys, They're
not sexy.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
We's got to get unsexy because.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
You know who is sexy, Henry Cavell, very.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Very much, you know, I I agree there are all right.
So I do want to talk about Zod's death real
quick before we also talk about massive death. So Zod's death,
I love him.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Before, Oh so great.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Michael Shannon's really good because Michael Shannon was Pearl Harbor.
Was my first introduction to Michael Shannon, who.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
He was great, and I remember he was Yeah, he.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Was one of the mechanics. And anytime Michael Shannon's in
a movie, you know he's going to crush it. He's
such a killer actor and so a dealer, like, yeah,
he's such a good actor. And so Actually Zod's death
in the original script, Zod was going to get sucked
into the phantom zone. However, Snyder and Goyer felt it
was very unsatisfying, so they asked DC if Superman would

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kill somebody if he didn't have a choice. Now, Christopher Nolan,
who helped out with these films, was against this approach,
which led to Goyer coming up with the scene with
the heat vision and putting people in imminent danger in
this convinced Nolan. So this is a very very controversial
thing that happens. People have an issue with this. I'll

(37:06):
what are your thoughts before I give mine.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
My thoughts that are, if I was actually a superhero,
I would end up becoming a villain, because I think
that Superman was right. I loved the scene. I think
there's times with Magneto where I side with Magneto. Obviously
not when he's flip flopping like crazy in movies like Phoenix,
but you know, X Men ninety seven, he makes some

(37:29):
good points and in the comics he makes some good points.
And I really think that the more the older I get,
the more I kind of side with a with some
of these anti hero villains. I thought it was a
fantastic scene. I mean, he tried so hard to stop him,
and then when he just did that neck breaking thing
and then you see him screaming like, yeah, that's got
to be traumatizing, Like he didn't want to be responsible

(37:50):
for this was one of his owner especially knowing yes,
now he is officially the last Kryptonian, when he thought that,
you know, there can be other people and we can exist.
And the whole point was Gero wanted him to be
the bridge between them. So not only did he kill
the only Kryptonian, and not only did he kill, but
he also ruined any chance of being what his father
wanted him to be and being that bridge between humans

(38:12):
and Kryptonian exactly. But I mean, he did what he
had to do, and he he wasn't he wasn't wrong.
I thought it was fantastic.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
I very much agree. I know people, it's it's you know,
Superman wun't Superman has killed before, Superman kills aliens.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Oh, his son killed and Superman returned.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
That's so I don't have a problem with this because
it makes a lot of sense, right. He tried every
possible situation in scenario not to kill Zod. He tried
to reason with him, he tried to beat him into.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
The omission that he could cover his eyes, but.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
What was the endgame? Zod was never gonna stop so
the only he was the only way he possibly and
he put him in some possible situation. Fine, I'm gonna
start killing humans, So either you're gonna kill me, or
you're gonna let me kill humans off and I'm gonna
do what I want. And so it makes a lot
of sense that Superman is who's learning to be a
super This is his first big moment as Superman. Yeah,

(39:02):
he has to kill Zod. You know, I have no
problem with this, Absolutely no problem. It makes a lot
of sense. And anybody who complains about that just I
think you're just kind of dumb, honestly, sorry, And unless
I hear a really good argument back other than Superman
doesn't kill. No, Batman doesn't kill. Okay unless you're Michael
Keaton Action Batman, but you just.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Seriously doesn't kill.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
But then it's like, do you how many Marvel heroes
shooting people? Also?

Speaker 2 (39:33):
True, you know, kills no problem. He takes people out
left and right.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
He sleeps just like a baby at the end of
the day. Okay, so I don't give me this holier
than now, right, But Superman chose Earth, and by choosing Earth,
he had to do what was necessary, which was killed
a Kryptonian, which was odd. No issues there. You know,
I really liked the fight sequences with the Kryptonians. I
like the girl. She was a badass woman. You know,

(39:59):
I can't got terrible names I could pull.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
So she's far aloo. So she's in the Flash and yeah,
was actually originally cast for that role but had to
drop out when she got pregnant.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
But funny enough, Oh what's that She.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Was pregnant again while doing reshoots for Wonder Woman and
they c gied her belly by putting like a green
screen on her tummy. That's our first fun fact.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yes, uh, yeah, she was much.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
More fleshed out character wise than in the Christopher ree one,
that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yes, she was. I liked it, so I liked her.
I thought that there were I don't also have a
problem with buildings and things being destroyed because it's.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Superman Batman, does I know?

Speaker 1 (40:39):
But people also complained about mass destruction right meanwhile, Godzilla
is running through San Francisco blowing it to hell, Boston
gets wiped off the map or not to mention in
any comic book medium, like look at the Doomsday fight.
When him and Doomsday fight in comic books and Death
of Superman. They wrecked the city pretty good. They fight
super Brain. How many times have we seen this city

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get wrecked or cities get wrecked in comic books. When
you have powerful characters, that's what's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Man.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Unfortunately, they rebuilt pretty quickly, I think by bvs.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
But well there's always one, you know, super rich person
like Tony Stark to pay to get it all fixed up.
Of course, then you get more villains like Vulture, who
then goes and scoops up the alien tech and it
just creates more stories. But I you know, that's one
of the things I loved about Agents of Shield too,
because before they ventured so far away from the MCU,
which I still have hope if anybody's going to New
York Comic Con, you will see Colson, Daisy and the Cavalry.

(41:34):
Will all three of them will be there. I'm maybe
I'm just wishful thinking, but Hugh Jackman played Wolverine again
in the Yellow Suit and part of the MCU, so
my crazy wishful thinking has come true before. So maybe
we will see the three of them in the MCU,
and maybe that announcement will be made in New York
Comic Con. I don't know, maybe, but here's hoping. But yeah,
So in Agents of Shield, I remember after thor Dark World,

(41:55):
they were on the ground cleaning that up. So I
thought that that was cool to just get it was
like an you get a different perspective from the war
that's going on. So I thought that was really cool.
But I mean it was a lot of destruction and
where do you go and where do you hide? But
you know the Lombard character, the actor, Yeah, so he
actually kills the new Lois Lane in House of Cards.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
I thought that was funny interesting. I did not know.
I've never watched the show. But another thing that I
thought was a really good scene. That scene with Perry
White where he's holding that woman's hand as she's trapped
under the rubble and he's just looking at her accepting death.
That was a powerful scene too. Man. I thought that
was a really powerful scene because they cast.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
A great person to play Perry White.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
I mean, that was Lauren really good. You know, I
thought he really was Morpheus did great. Man. I really
liked his Perry White.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Well. The Perry White and small Ville is actually anett
O'Toole's husband in real life and so yeah, so it
was you know, Wana Lang turn Martha. Yeah, so that's fun.
But he played a drunken that he was like an
alcoholic who, like Clark, had to like oh yeah, m
So it was very, very different Perry White than because
I think that was the first Perry White I really
recognize as Perry White, because they're usually just characters that

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are just kind of in the background, aren't.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Really relevant, They aren't right. You're you're totally right on
that one. And but he was. He was solid. I like,
you know, there's a lot of.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Laurence fishworn can't be in the background.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
No, No, he's too big. I mean that's that's kind
of what are some other thoughts? So, how do we
feel a god? That tornado scene? Oh? I hate the
tornado scene.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
So according to Kevin Costner's tombstone, he was forty six
when he died. Did he look forty second? No, I
mean I'm about to be forty two. He did not
look forty sick. But no, I already said my thoughts
on that. Yeah, it was terrible. I mean they didn't
have to kill Jonathan. They could have maybe because it
was Kevin Costner. Okast somebody would be cheaper and let

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him live a little longer.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah. Yeah, I especially because they did a really good
job of making Diane Lane look older, but Kevin Costner
didn't look forty six. No, And I will say they
did a good job with making Henry Cavill look younger
in that. And his voice too. It's funny hearing him
speak as young Clark because I'm so used to his
voice being deeper and heavier, but he sounds younger.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Like.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
He did a great job, you know at that point. Yeah,
And so I thought that was that was excellent. I
liked that the story was told kind of through flashbacks,
and you got kind of his flashbacks there, such as
saving the bus and past I do like that. So
this movie overall though, I really enjoy this movie. I

(44:35):
will say that I think it is a good movie.
So why don't you if you take us into some
fun facts before we go into BVS.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
So, extra workouts and less food were involved before Cavill's
shirtless scenes to give the best possible Superman looks. So
he really wanted to look like the comic book.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Which did you he was eating five thousand calories a day.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, and you okay, you look at him versus you know,
Hugh Jackman, Like Hugh Jackman does the dehydration and he
gets the abs and on, he looks phenomenal and he's,
you know, very much so jacked. But the comic book
versions of these characters.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Are sometimes a little.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Right, and so they're they're jacked, but they're not lean.
And like Hugh Jackman is lean, like he's you know,
a dancer, and he's he's musical Broadway, whereas like Henry
Cavill really went for that like absolute Batman like jacked
as much as you could actually be so uh as
a reward though for these scenes, and that was his decision.
I don't believe that he was pushed to do that.
It sounds like he wanted to.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
He wanted to do that.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Zack Snyder had pizza and ice cream ready for him
after that scene record. Cavil also insisted in not shaving
his chest. He used the death of Superman to show
Superman can have a hairy. Test again, he's a tricking dude.
Let him have hair on his chest.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
I have no problem with that either.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yeah, I draw the line up back hair, but chest hair.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Right.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Let him have the hair on his chest. It's okay.
Not every dude who's rip test to shave their waxes chest.
So Cavil is the first non American to be cast
as Superman, and he was previously passed in The Superman
fly By, which was canceled. Yes, make super Man returns.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
What interesting? Yeah? In the you know Amy Adams was
cast as Lois Lane in that one too.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Oh interesting, dude, both of them have done all these
different things too. And obviously she was a character in
Smallville too, so this isn't her first time in the
in the Superman world. The film was released in June
twenty thirteen, which was the seventy fifth anniversary of Superman's
debut in action comics.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Now, that was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
So did you know the naked four year old? Remember
we talked about Oquair Old and Night in the Superman
nineteen seventy eight. He's a communications officer in this.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
That is crazy. Imagine be like, hey, remember the time
you're naked in the nineteen seventy eight film. Do you
want to come back and play a small role? I would,
first of all, I'd be all over.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
That we did see a naked Kalle in this too.
But it was an infant.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yes, yes, and that whole sequence not like a four
year old god bless it was okay. Yeah boy. Now,
according to David S. Goyer, Superman's costume is defined in
film to be an undergarment. All the battle armor goes
on top of the suits. But since Superman's a refugee,
his outfit doesn't have that gear and would make him
defenseless on his own Kryptoian turf.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Interesting, and that makes sense because you see Zod have
a similar.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Thing in his suit. Yeah, that's he comes out with
before he breaks out of his big metal casing that
he has that armor over it and then they go
toe to toe with the under Yeah. I have no
problem with that either. Now, as you mentioned last week,
we knew that cavel audition for Superman Superman Returns, which
Brandon Rothcott now it did. Ben Affleck aka This Universe's Batman,

(47:37):
was offered the opportunity to direct before Zack Snyder was hired.
He actually turned it down. He did want to. He
was supposed to direct his own Batman movie. I'm still
pissed we never got that, But I'll dive into that
with BVS if it will.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Get the Buttman movie.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Oh Man. While Lex is not in this you do
you see Lex Corp truck get thrown around at Superman.
There is a promotional tie in comic book revealing that
the alien ship Superman in counter in the Arctic was
actually carrying his cousin Supergirl Dope. In the scene where's
Odd first unleashous his heat vision, a small sign can
be seen in the background that says keep calm and
call Batman. No no, no, no, no, no. The first

(48:12):
This was not the first movie with no g or
This was the first movie with no Jimmy Ols. And
excuse me, it was not safe to hide in an
overpass during a tornado. It still isn't because the wind everything.
The scene was almost cut for that reason, they should
have just cut it. Let's be they could have just
got rid of that. One Man of Steel was going
to be the name of the sequel actually for Superman
Returns Believe it or Not, and Joe Man Janello and

(48:34):
Tyler Hockinlan were considered for the role, as was Kristin Stewart.
Olivia Wilde, Zoe's al Donna and Mila Cunis were also
considered for Lois Lane what a different movie those would
have been.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
I know, but look you got like Zoe Saldana.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
That's more I worked out for her.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
She didn't get it.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Christian Lane would have been awful.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Isn't Olivia Wilde's Sila?

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yes she is.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Neil Kunis probably actually would be a great Lois Lane.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
I would think she would probably have that bunch right there.
She's probably the only one.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
That would have been Stewart. I've only saw her in
a Christmas movie. I think that's the only Christen Sewart.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Pretty solid actress. She does not, in my opinion, carried energy.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah, but MEI lacuna Is. I mean, if you've seen
her in that seventy show, is Jackie? I feel like
she would have been a great Lowest Lane.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
I think she would have too, I agree. Now. Initially
they took pitches from comic book writers such as Grant Morrison,
Jeff John's Brad Meltzer, and Mark Wade. Morrison's pitch was
similar to his All Star Superman, while Wade's was his
Superman birthright, which we'll go into next week's comic book
discussions now. Last, but not least, development began in two
thousand and eight, when Warner Brothers took pitches from, like

(49:39):
I said, all these other people. And that was because
in two thousand and nine, and court ruling resulted in
Jerry Siegal's family recapturing the rights to Superman's origins and
Seagulls copyright. The decision stated that Warner Brothers did not
owe the family's additional royalties from previous films, but if
they did not begin production on a Superman film by
twenty eleven, then the Shuster and Seagull estates would be

(49:59):
able to suit for lost revenue on an unproduced film.
So that's why this film got made. Pretty interesting stuff interesting.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
I mean the movie is good, big sting. This is
like fantastic for you know, stuff like that where they
had to keep doing.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Crap right, and now it is Batman v.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Superman, Down of Justice. So I'm gonna say and then
I'm gonna let you do whatever you need to do.
So the premise of this movie was based on the
fact that so many people died and things were destroyed
when Zod and Superman fought. So instead of thinking, oh wow,
thank goodness, Superman is on our side because in case
more aliens show up, he's super strong, and he can
defend us. That's not what Bruce Wayne thought. Instead, he

(50:38):
thought Superman super strong. What if he changes his mind
and attacks us, we have to kill him now because
apparently ben Affleck Superman did not watch The Lion King
where he's little. Now, maybe he'll be on our side.
And that's all I am.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
All right, yes, mute myself. I mean back, let's talk
about v Superman movie. I saw it at midnight opening night.
I well, of course, we then got the frickin' three
hour cut. Which three hour cut was better? I don't
know why they love three hours like these? I don't know, man,

(51:13):
all right, So.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
The plot, there's a three hour cut for this.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah, there's a three hour cut that's on it. Does
I believe it or not? It does? It adds a lot.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Now.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
In a flashback to his childhood, Bruce Wayne runs from
his parents funeral. He falls into a cave where he's circling.
Vortex of bats elevate him back to the surface. In
the present, eighteen months after his cataclysmic battle with General
Zod and Metropolis, Superman has become a controversial figure. Bruce
is in Gotham. He's got a lot angrier as Batman.
He's branding people now right now, Clark Kent wants to

(51:45):
condemn Batman's form of justice, killing them. He's not. He
wants to form you know, bring Batman to justice essentially
through his Daily Planet articles. And this is when Bruce
learns at a Russian weapons trafficker and a totally basically
the KG Beast is his comic book name, has been
contacting Lex Corp Lex Luthor. Luthor attempts to get Julie

(52:05):
or June Finch, you know, June Bug to allow him
to import kryptonite because it could be used to subdue Superman.
Bruce attends a gallet Lex Corp to steal in data
from Lex corpse a thing where Dinah Prince steals it
from him, and while decrypting the drive, Bruce has his
dream Lewis She's the key and we know how that goes,

(52:26):
and I'm too late all that, And this is where
we also then find out that Lex Luthor knows who
every meta human is. Aquaman's holding his breath underwater because reasons,
uh yeah, it's anyways. At a wildly publicized congressional hearing
led by Finch, Superman shows up. A bomb was smuggled
in the wheelchair that homeboy from the beginning is in.

(52:47):
He gets blown up. Superman blames himself because you couldn't
detect it. Head lead in it. Luthor lowers Superman out
because he kidnaps Martha says, you got to go the
bat versus Superman, God versus Man in the Ultimate Showdown.
So they fight, they be each other around, they team up,
they save Martha, and they fight Doomsday. Superman dies the end. Now,

(53:11):
let's talk about this was the first live action suit.
This was the first live action movie with Batman Superman together. Okay,
we never got the World's Finest with Nicholas Cage.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Oh it's so bad too that that was.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
The first time.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
But I do love that we Gotgan and Maggie are
Martha and uh Van Thomas Wayne. But this was before
they were Nagan and Maggie, so that's actually kind of cool.
They were still Ella and John Winchester.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
They were now the batsuit. So this movie made eight
hundred and forty seven million dollars, so it made some
money money it did you know the batsuit in this
film is actually made from a form fitting fabric, as
opposed to the armored suits and previous portrayals, and a
mechanical suit is featured, which Batman uses in his fight
against Superman. Zack Snyder basically said, I had a really
strong idea about what I wanted to do. I really

(53:55):
wanted to do a sort of fabric based Batman, not
what's becoming the normal armored Batman, and yeah, okay with
athletic being cast. Snyder then also says that Ben provides
an interesting counterbalance to Henry Superman. He has the acting
chops to create a lairered portrayal of the man who
is older and wiser than Clark Kent and bears the
scars of seasoned crime fighter. I loved Affleck as Batman.

(54:16):
I liked Jeremy Irons as you know Alfred. I thought
they had really great chemistry. I liked Ben Affleck as
Batman and as Bruce Wayne excellent.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
All the more reason Ben Affleck should have watched.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
I actually scar true. Now I don't think they should
have spoiled wonder Woman in the previous for this film.
That should have been a surprise. And Originally Andrew Kevin
Walker pitched a two thousand and one. In two thousand
and one, A Batman v. Superman idea that was deemed
too dark. It would have had Johnny Depp as Batman
and Josh Hartnett a Superman.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
I just went from being like what, oh I love
Josh Hartnett.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Yeah, Josh Hartnett also was wanted for the role that
went to Christian Bale for Batman.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Believed it or not, he Josh Hartnett that wasn't acting
then though.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
He was like, yeah, well sense for years he had
Superman returns worked out. That was the movie we were
going to get in Christmas of two thousand and nine.
Fun fact interesting. Snyder then explained that having the V
in the title instead of verses was a way to
keep it from being a straight versus movie, even though
the most subtle way, which makes no sense in my brain.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
He is more legally accurate too a very now.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
It was actually revamped into a backdoor pilot for the
Justice League and or a ventul standalone Batman film. And
this is the first Batman film that credits Bill Finger.
So listen, I think they should have had a Batman
solo film with Ben Affleck after a Man of Steel
before this movie. It would have added some background who
could have gotten some depth to Batman. I love Ben Affleck.
I don't like I didn't mind wonder Woman. You know

(55:45):
gal Gado in this one. I think she was okay
as wonder Woman. I'd liked There's there's things to like.
I don't like Jesse Eisenberg's Lex. I feel like he
could have been a good Lex, but they made him cartoonish.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
I don't like that he wasn't totally relevant in this.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
No, he he was just there to basically create doomsday
and be like a I'll go fight, which is silly.
And I also don't agree that he knows all of
the super heroes, which is stupid, Like he knows everybody,
he knows Batman's identity.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
No, no, well he's supposed to be really smart.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Yeah, but I don't I don't agree with that.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
I I haven't watched this movie in years, probably when
we did a whole episode.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
I watched it with all the Actually I watched these
Oliver liked them.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
And then seeing Clark and Lois in this this is
the one with the.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Bathtub, right, Yeah, they hop in the bathtub, all steamy
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
I love that scene. So I love the scenes with
them should.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Be covering football And then also our girl from Dead
Pull and Wolverine from the TVA. She's in this movie
as one of the people who's testifying against Superman, which.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Is awesome, and she thinks Peter looks good in that suit.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
She's also Annie and Sinners and so I liked. I
actually really liked the fight between Batman and Superman. I
thought the fight was awesome.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
And then what if both their moms weren't named Martha?

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Listen, I don't.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
That's the main issue with this movie. That's why this
movie fails.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
There could have been such a way to have mom Martha.
He could have been like Martha.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
No, No, could have been if I was concerned something
was happening to my mom, I wouldn't say what about Laurie.
I would say, they're gonna kill my mom?

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Like they could have. It's done way better right and
also made no sense. Well, Batman's backing up Superman could
have easily explained the whole situation as well too. There's
a lot of deconfliction that could have happened. The fight
itself was cool. I like the Kryptonite gas. I like
that each hero got their hits in. I like the spear.

(57:44):
I don't like how it ended. And then I don't
like Lewis Lane coming in. That's his mom's name. Where'd
you come from? How did you get here so fast?
The hell? And she got a helicopter.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Okay, but hey in the comics, so she's always there too.
She does the same thing in the comics.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
And the actually is that is that is fair? You're
right accurate, Right, that's comic accurate. I just don't like
how it ended. And then I I liked a lot
of I don't like that Jimmy Olsen was a CIA
spy's name and he gets killed. You know, I don't
like that. I but this does give us probably the
best live action cartoonish comic bookie Batman beating people's asses.

(58:21):
Where the warehouse scene where he comes down, you know,
he he drops the hole on the floor, he puts
all the stuff on the guns and shoots their guns out.
He's beaten some ass. He's killing dudes, let's be honest.
He flies in shooting dudes with his batplane. And then
he also definitely he throws a crate at a guy's head. Yeah,
that guy's dead. I'm sorry he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Kill but I do They die later from a brain hemorrhage.
It doesn't count.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
I like his gauntlets, you know, when he gets shot
blocking knife, I think that's all cool, and I think
that stuff works. And then i'd like to suit the
fight with Doomsday. I don't like Doomsday's design at all,
being a creation of Zod. Fine, I'm cool with that. Bet.
I don't like Doomsday's design. It looks silly. And then
I also don't understand how how does I don't get

(59:07):
how he dies too. He gets stabbed, but he stabs
Doomsday with us with a freaking Kryptonite spear, so Superman
should still be okay though getting stabbed. I don't know.
It's dumb, That's what That's what I have on that one.
I you know, why don't you go ahead and just
give us the footnote of Justice leagu because that listen.
I was so excited for Justice League. We are getting Flash,

(59:29):
We're getting all my favorite heroes. And when I tell
you that Joss Whedon literally ruined my life, this is
I mean, he ruined a lot of people's lives. He's
a sex pest piece of shit, but he literally ruined
my life. I was so excited. I went to the
we carried it. I. I think we were actually in
Massachusetts visiting and we went to the Imax theater at
the Jordan's Furniture, which is a legit Imaxis thing is massive, pumped,

(59:52):
and I'm sitting there like, what am I Superman's mouth
because they didn't want to see they CG I had
a mustache. Oh my god, dude, they could have just
cut that entire scene out period and done something. His
mouth was c G, I it, Oh my god, this
movie is an abomination. And then the four hour cut was.
I don't mind the four hour cut, but I shouldn't

(01:00:12):
have to watch a four hour cut of a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
For I definitely made it better, especially with Cyborg. Cyborg
was terrible in the not cut. Yeah, him out and
made him make much more sense.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
They made a lot of things make a lot of sense.
So yeah, Zach and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
I felt like he was the most Just.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Here's a driving from that movie. I mean, Steppenwolf's design suck.
But I thought it was really cool how we get
dark Side teased he's looking to the porol and stuff
at the Justice League. That was that was how we're
getting dark Side.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
I think the scene when Superman when they're all fighting
Superman when he did first bring him back, like the
scene where he side eyes Flash. Oh my god, no,
but you just see like Flash just looks like Shock
and like he's taking on all of them, Like that
is amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Joss Whedon' Oh my god, he made Batman look like
such a punk when he's in that sequence to the
Joss Whedon version is punk. No, he's not. Are you
Are you for wheelsies? I do like that they tease
the Diana Bruce romance a little bit because I really
like those two together in comic books. That movie sucks. Okay,
it got au six on IMDb. Okay, the Snyder cut

(01:01:23):
seven point nine. There's not much else to say. Okay,
nobody's gonna get me Batman.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
That'll fix everything.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
That's That's where this is where we leave the movies.
All Right, The movies are done with the exception of
David Corn, Sweat and James Gunn July eighth. We have
tickets July eighth, so we're gonna have a full spoiler
review out for you out the week after, so we
want to give people time to see it. However, next week,
before the movie releases, we are gonna break down Superman
comic books, that you should be reading Superman's origin in

(01:01:53):
the comic books. And then we're gonna talk about characters
such as Hawkman, Hawk Girl, Guy Gardner, Lois Lane, Mister Terrific,
Jimmy Olsen, Lex Luthor. We're going to kind of give
you their backgrounds on them because we want to get
you ready for this movie. Man, it's when Lauren is
looking forward to a DC movie over a Marvel film

(01:02:13):
in the summertime that that releases like two weeks apart.
That's how you know this movie is looking to be special.
And the trailers.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
He is. He is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
The trailers give me goosebumps. They really do. And I
am not a Superman fan by any means, but this
movie it's going to be special. It's hopefully kicking off
a new era of DC. We just have to live
long enough to get to see where all this goes.
Do you have any final thoughts about anything before we
kind of wrap this one up?

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
No, I mean, I really like this movie. I kind
of hope that maybe we'll see Henry Cavell one day
again and some multiverse kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
It's not so much better man, Henry Cavill deserves.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
I mean, the Marvel will treat him so much better
than those guys across this street. But I mean he's
might so that he just turned forty two.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
He's a wicked big nerd too, man, a.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Huge nerd, so like, I don't think he should be
actually cast as the new Wolverine by any means, but
I mean, bring him in. Is something else in them,
see you, I don't I think we.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
I mean Captain Britton would be fun, or there was
other Yeah, there's other things that people are fan casting
him for. I thought he was in Talks at one
point or something. But there's so many endless Marvel characters.
You can cast him as shit. You can bring him
back into DC. I don't think he'll ever probably unless
James got I think him because they did him extremely

(01:03:36):
dirty with Warner Brothers, you know. But you know, he's
done really well for himself. He's he's a great actor.
Watch The Ungentlemanly Warfare. He's great in that, he's great
in Mission Possible. He's got a Warhammer movie coming out.
I think he's got Voltron coming out. So he's got
movies so much potential to just not they just I
mean even the Witcher Netflix. They did him so dirty

(01:03:58):
because he was he is a big nerd. He really
big in a Witcher. He did one season and then
they wanted to go away from the games and books
so bad, and Henry was like, no, this is what
happens in the books and the games. And they disrespected
him extraordinarily bad and that as well. I don't get it, man,
he's such a big draw. He is. He is a
big draw. Everybody can agree that Henry Cavill is one
of God's gifts to this earth, right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
He's not just you know, good funn He's a phenomenal actor.
And the scene where he kills man, but he shows
what a phenomenal actor he is in that scene, Like
you can see the grief and the anger and the
sadness and the strengths all in one scene.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
You do legitimately do. And so justice for Henry Cavill,
Justice for James Marsden. Okay, those are two dudes that
deserve better, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
I did take it. James mar He's coming back as
Cyclops right in Doomsday.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Yes, just yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
That's why I think it would be cool, like all
these Marvel characters are getting redemption kind of thing. Or
you look at like Michael B. Jordan and Fantastic Four,
that was terrible. He came back as kill Monger, that phenomena. Yeah.
I recently rewatched Waconda Forever and I love that scene
with him in it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
It's so freaking legit. Though. I agree, you know, Marvel's
getting there. Maybe eventually we'll get DC to give some
justice Man what could have been with that Batman death
stroke Ben Affleck movie. I will always wonder Man because
I loved Batfleck. And apparently we're never getting a sequel
with freaking Robert Pattinson.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
So whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
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(01:05:48):
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