Episode 277: Superman Pre-Show Party!

We dive right into it this week as we head down the road of origins for:

 Superman, Lois Lane, Lex Luthor, Jimmy Olsen, Guy Gardner, HawkGirl, Mr. Terrific, and Krypto giving you all of the background you need to know before seeing the film and these characters. 

We then go into some must-read Superman comics as we get ready for the big long long-awaited release of the film!

We chat: Superman Birthright
Superman Kingdom Come
Absolute Superman
All-Star Superman
Death of Superman

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Hopskeek News.
You're home for comic books, movies, TV shows, and we
typically feature be of the week. I am Matt as
always with me is my trusted counterpart who is the
smartest one of the bunch, Lauren, And today we are
gonna be talking purely Superman and friends comic book origins,
with some comic book recommendations for Superman and things of

(00:48):
that nature. Typically we feature a b of the week
going to what we've been reading watching some news. However,
today it's purely related to Superman comic books to get
you ready for if you're going to the early really
that's going to be tomorrow, July eighth, to go see Superman,
or maybe you're going this week and you want to
read up a little bit about Guy Gardner, his wonderful haircut, Hawkman,

(01:08):
hawk Girl, mister terrific. This is your place for that man.
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I'm drinking today from the veil in Richmond. It's white Miata.
I don't know I feel like this is like a
bougie car. So in my mind, Superman's a bougie car.
I don't there's no, there's no it felt nice. I'm

(01:30):
saving my tree houses. I might bring a couple of
tree houses with me for Lauren to share this week
with Josh, so we'll see what happens. But Lauren, what
you grab over there? And you're a nice trailer park outfit.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
This is the only shirt I could. Okay, so my
drink is probably even more of a stretch than yours.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
I have a clue fantastic origin story. All right, we're
not doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I hope there's some fantastic for beers before that comes out,
because we have not I have not gone single actual
Superman beer. We've really been just like picking up them.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
No, not even you know what is it? Yeah, there
really hasn't been at all.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
So I have a double New England I pa from Clue,
so which is a fantastic beer. My favorite style. It's
called zero zero. I drank it on one of our
Dared double episodes because that can mean zero visibility. Could
you have any idea why I might have picked this beer?

Speaker 1 (02:22):
He's the first.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
This is your clue. I'm holding up Crypto because Zero
so are my two favorite fictional dogs.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Oh my god. Okay, see you see. I was going
to say because Superman is kind of like the first
DC superhero, but then you held up Crypto and I
was lost, So I don't know. Oh man, that is okay,
that is good. Yeah. No, we we had stretches this week. Guys,
like I said, this is going to be purely comic books.
We're going to dive into some origin stories. If you

(02:52):
will give you some comic book backgrounds, and you know,
maybe some must reads on Superman, primarily of some comic books.
I think you should definitely read before you see. If
you're like me me who's been diving into Superman lately,
I've been really trying to become more educated because I've
never cared about Superman. For some reason, his character is
never well. Yeah. Carrie mentioned the other day she was like,

(03:15):
what are you Superman fanboy now? And I said, no,
I'm just because she saw on HBO how I was
watching all the movies in the shows that we're watching
Superman lowis and I have all these comic books, and
I said, well, no, I got to do research for
The show Man, and you know, the movie has me excited.
It's been a while since the DC universe has had
me excited for a movie, and is.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
A big turn for me.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah. Well, I've always loved DC. It's my preferred publication.
I just have never connected with Superman. But now I'm
reading history, So why don't you kind of dive us
into this, this first aspect of Superman. Here where he
got the start, and we'll kind of go from here.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
So he actually started as one of several anthology features
in the National Periodic Publications Comic Book Actions number one,
and this was June of nineteen thirty So think about
the world in nineteen thirty eight.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Uh, World War two was just kicking off.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
And oh, great pression going on. I mean, it's just
insane to think. It's like women had barely gotten the
right to vote, Like prohibition was.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
There, kids were still working factories.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Man had ended. Like it's insane to think everything that
was going on. So this makes him eighty seven years old.
It was so popular that National launched Superman into his
own self titled comic book. This was the this was
the first at the time, this was not the norm.
It hit stands the following summer. So by the early forties,
millions of copies of Superman were selling each month. In
nineteen fifty eight, Superman became the first DC comic to

(04:37):
get its own letters column.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Interesting. I it's really interesting because when you kind of
look back at, you know, the nineteen thirties, right, how
many things had a radio show, for example, which is
kind of crazy, and so it's it's kind of crazy.
It's where all these things start.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
So Clark Kent aka Superman ak Kalel was created by
Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuster, written by Siegel and drawn
by Schuster. Before the Superman, we know, they actually created others,
and not all of them were good guys. However, the
do gooder alien boy from Kansas is what's stuck. The
two were big sci fi fans and credit many different
influences from sci fi stories they enjoyed. Jack Williamson, who

(05:17):
is referred to as the quote Dina science fiction end quote,
once said that Superman's origin was similar to a story
he had written and published early on, where a Martian
scientist sent his infant daughter into space to save her
from their planet's destruction. Interesting, they might have pulled a lot.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Of in yeah, just a little bit right. You know,
in the early days, continuity did not seem to matter
hardly at all as it should. It's the thirties, is
the forties, so there are some contradicting stories that have
of course been many events that reset his origin, such
as Crisis rebirth. You know, there are many mini runs

(05:53):
that we'll kind of talk about too. There's one in particular,
Belie by Jeff John's that kind of resets his origin
story as well. However, if you have seen any Superman
movie or show, you know the gist of his origin. Right,
Krypton explodes, they send baby colll to Earth. Joel and
Laura send him to Earth there to be raised. They
crash land in Kansas. Martha and Jonathan not always their names,

(06:16):
but it's.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
For a while now because it wasn't in the fifties
TV show that was not their names.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I forgot what I was gonna say, I don't remember. Yeah, However,
at first he was sent to an orphanage. WHOA. This
was in the nineteen thirty eight version, So you know,
like think orphanage is now and how broken the system is,
and then think nineteen thirty eight.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Or didn't they think it's a hard knock life?

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Or have you ever seen the movie bright Burn?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I haven't because I've gotten so many mixed reviews. I'm like,
I'm maybe should away from it. No, it was terrifying.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Well, think Superman being sent to a nineteen thirty eight
or you know, orphanage, and you can see how Brightburn
people that versioning.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Their kids back then. I almost feel like an orphanage
would be like a step up from what was going on.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
I don't, I don't, I just I don't picture orphan
just because modern day, the foster care system now and
orphanagees now are such a broken system that I can't
figure that nineteen thirty eight would be anywhere near better.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
But no, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
That's that's just thinking. Maybe thinks bright Burn and Superman
probably wouldn't have turned out goods. However, there was good news.
It was interesting. In the nineteen thirty or when it
was picked up by DC Comics, the origin was elaborated
a little bit more. The Kents found him, dropped him
at the orphanage, and then they felt bad, so they
come back for him. In these early versions, it was
said that it was he was so powerful because he

(07:38):
had been his rais had been Yeah some all right,
I've had a beer and a sip, and Lauren's writings
have me confused.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
It was raised to physical perfection basically, so it'd evolved.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
If corn fed.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, you know, we or we were always taught that
the rays of the sun made him so yeah, and
that's what it's kind of been told. However, originally, the
Kryptonians had been around for so long and they were
such an evolved society that they had evolved to physical perfection.
And I think you see that a bit in Man
of Steel where these children are being born. It's like

(08:14):
blanking on that new Brave New World books or whatever,
where like people were created for a purpose, so they
were perfectly groomed for that. So that was what they
were kind of thinking back then. Now we're like, oh,
he gets it from the sun, but you did again,
you saw that in Man of Steel. But he was
the first natural birth after centuries, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
No, that makes sense. As Clark's powers actually begin to develop,
his parents help him cope with it, and his powers
are kept a secret. Clark grows up and adopts the goofy,
less confident version known as Clark Kent, who dons the
glasses and works at the Daily Planet in Metropolis because
that's just what we do right now. Another origin story
was told in nineteen sixty one and Superman issue one

(08:54):
forty six. More info was giving, including Joel warning his
brother zor El, who is super Girls Dad. It also
includes Crypto's launch into space. Side note Crypto the first
Dog the Last Dog of Krypton issue one released a
couple of weeks ago that covers this, and it's it's
really good. It's really really good. I definitely recommend picking
that up now. In the late seventies, the lack of

(09:17):
inconsistent continuity was being noticed, so things were brought back
on track. In this decade, Clark goes to college becomes Superboy. Today,
Superboy is known as the son of Clark Kent. However,
the name first showed up as a prelude to Superman.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
In fact, I didn't found a comic book where Superman
fights Superboy. What there was some mind melding and whoo yeah,
Pete Ross had a time machine and a thing to
swap mind. He went back in time, got Superboy, who
was Clerk Kent, switched minds with him and then attack

(09:51):
Clark because he was mad because he did something with
his son. But it is interesting going to go to
space and help people. But you know, Pete was done
dirty and Smallville I feel.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
But again, I have to maybe I'll get to that
one eventually. I never fully actually watched it. Now, why
don't you take us into the eighties where things get
crazy with Crisis on Infinite Earth's.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
The eighties This is when I showed up. So in
the eighties there was Crisis on Infinite Earths, which let
the writers make everything consistent by basically starting over.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Of course, we live a good, sweite, clean.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Good flash point. During this decade, the Man of Steel
run hit Stands and showed Kryptonians as more cold and
logical and thereby lacking empathy in many ways. We see
this again in Cavell's Man Well. I was thinking Spock,
but I guess spot.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Anyways, as he was the first okay, so yeah, we
saw this in Man of Steel as he was the
first natural birth in years, and to his parents he
was a chance of hope as opposed to being created
for a specific.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yes means duh, it's not an s it means on
my planet, and it means hope.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Then, in the nineties, which were a crazy time, when
Superman is killed by Doomsday, Martha and Jonathan, who's still alive,
are very sad. Why did I say Jonathan, because the
very no.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
What did you say, Martha? Sorry, I'm trying to.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
H EI know where you were going.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
I'm muting goodbye.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
At the turn of the century, the Birthright comic then
came out, and comics followed media. This is when Clark's
origin actually included Lex being part of his childhood as
well as a friend, which was taken from Smallville.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Okay, that's kind of cool. How do you feel about
Lex being known kind of as a friend to Superman?

Speaker 2 (11:25):
I actually love that. And again, you know, I've always
enjoyed Superman where you know, I grew up watching Lois
and Clark and like we always watched the Superman movies.
You know, Superman's a household name, same with Batman. I've
always leaned more towards d C because that was the
first time I really dove into the fandom and you know,
getting you know, surrounded, bying it and loving it whatnot.
Now I feel like I'm getting more into d C.

(11:46):
But it was really cool because one of the things
I absolutely loved about Smallville is that Clark and Lex
are friends, but Clark or Lex's dad is evil, so
Lionel is evil and Lex does not like his dad
because sees it he's evil. But one of the very
interesting things in Smallville is that Jonathan Kent is mean
to Lex and his actions towards Lex almost push him

(12:10):
on that.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
I kind of like that a lot. It's it's like, uh,
Lena Luthor and how and there's some iterations she's kind
of a friend to Kara. I like that too.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Friends. I didn't finish too Girl, but I love that
in the show.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
I didn't finish it, but I really like that because
there's something it almost makes it feel more personal between
the two right friends gone there as somebody who has
lost friends, especially do the political climate, there's harder things
out there than your worst enemy on Earth, or trying
to explain it in a way that having your worst

(12:44):
enemy on the planet, your nemesis being an ex friend
makes it that much more powerful, is I guess what
I'm trying to say, And even added to the fact
that you know, it makes a little bit more sense
why Lex hates Superman so much because I never really
vibe with why he hates him to the degree that
he hates him, because it is always really felt personal
to me, and it's like, Okay, so Lex thinks this

(13:06):
guy who has all this power doesn't deserve it and
he's gonna really you know, blah blah blah. It's never
felt that personal to me, but being friends would add
that layer of personality to it well.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
And he also Lex was always envious of Clark's relationship
with his dad. Yeah, and like and Martha would see
him do good and then Jonathan would be like, oh,
he's still his father's son kind of thing. It's like, mother, right,
are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Toxic masculinity?

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Come on. It was very interesting because outside of the
scenes with Lex, Jonathan was a great dad, a great person. Yeah,
it is, you know it is. It is a good show.
It's very cheesy at times. I mean it's c w's
two thousand, right.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
I mean early c W. That's why I'm still blown
away by Superman and lois at how good it is
because it's not c W. It's c W, but it's
not c W at all. It's so good it.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Is so good, I'm glad you're watching it. So In
two thousand and nine, Superman Secret Origin was a sixth
issue run by Jeff John's and Gary Frank, both part
of Ghost Machine at Image Comics. This miniseries changed some
Origin after Crisis. The Origin started with Clark's first memory,
so not on Krypton, which is kind of cool because
it's just active. Sadly, one of his first memories is
breaking his friend Pete arm. He also learns he can

(14:22):
fly while saving Laana during a tornado.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
This is actually straight tornadoes.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
This is straight out of Smallville in two thousand and nine.
That had to come after that scene. So despite the
fact that Tom Welling never actually flew in the show,
he did in this scene when he was saving Lana
and his and he kind of just chalked it up to,
you know, the tornado lifted him up or whatever. His
other powers kick in here too. He begins wearing glasses
as a kid, which I think is smart on his parents,

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and Lex discovers or finds the Krypto night. Clark ends
up stopping a rocket that's heading towards their houses their house,
which reveals that Crypto.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Isn't that Yeah, now Clark is out of a Superman
when he rescues you falling Lois, she loves Falling. The
public opinion is all in Clark. I was about to say,
she falls so much, so much so she fell in
love with Clark and Superman. Public opinions all over the place.
Lex then announces that he's not even new him. In
sam Lane tricks Superman to get info out of him

(15:20):
about what he intends to do with Earth and Lois,
which your intentions with my daughter. Clark ends up fighting Mitsallo,
who has some Kryptonite in him thanks to Lex, and
at the end of the day it's a happy ending
with Superman and Lois bonding. In twenty eleven, the New
fifty two, which another highly debatable people don't really like
New fifty two. It hit stands after Flashpoint Love Flashpoint,

(15:41):
so another opportunity to go back in time and change things.
In this Jorel and Laura send Kalel away in a
prototype rocket guided by Brainiac in his artificial intelligence to
fine planets with younger sons and weaker gravity. It was
a desperate last minute attempt to save him. Jonathan and
Martha find and care for him. However, they die when
he is young in a car accident. Years later in

(16:03):
DC re Birth, he became Superboy and then saved them.
So yeah, I uh, before we go into fun facts
and comic highlights real quick, I do want to give
you some comic book recommendations that actually goes into this
whole thing. So this is a lot of this though
per DC fandom itself. You know, there's some some highlights

(16:25):
of issue ones that you might want to pick up
or look into. We got Action Comics number one. Superman
is the Champion of the Oppressed. Superman number one Clark
Kent gets a job. Superman Issue four is the first
Lex Luthor story app right. Superman Issue seven is Perry

(16:46):
White's first appearance. Superman Issue thirteen is Jimmy Olsen's first appearance.
Superman number thirty first Mister Maza poliic story. Action Comics
sixty four is the first toy Man story. More Fun
Comics one O one is the first super Bowl super
Boys story. That's when they accidentally altered Superman's origin. Superman
issued sixty five. Superman meets surviving Kryptonian criminals for the

(17:08):
first time. Superman seventy six. This is when Superman and
Batman learn each other's identities. Love this and Action Comics
one fifty eight. It's Superman's origins. Finally you're set, and
it's his canonical origin from fifty one to eighty six.
All right, so now we go into All Star Superman,
which I recently read. It is by Grant Morrison. Right,

(17:30):
here's the writer and Frank quietly. It's pretty thick. And
basically in this, Lex tricks Superman into saving project from
the sun. They go in and they gets get into
some trouble. However, the sun overloads his cells to basically
give him cancer where his white blood cells attack themselves.
So Superman is dying and Lex is put on death
row because he gets caught for Superman. Yeah, and so

(17:54):
Superman gets put on death row. He doesn't know Clark
Kent's Superman, so he Clark gets an exclusi of three
weeks before Lex gets put on death row. And there
are some cool things in this where you know Superman
knows he's dying. So he goes to Lois Lane convinced
that confesses who he is. He says, Lois, he's Clark.
He's like, Lois, I have something to tell you. She
doesn't believe that he's Clark. Nobody believes that he's Clark.

(18:16):
She thinks Clark is too dumb. So where's where's the
real Clark? Why are you messing with me? This is
all a joke. And he's showing her his entire cave
of all these relics and things that could kill him
and stuff. He's like, no, it's really me, Like I'm
Superman Clark were the same. But she loves him. He
gives her twenty four basically a potion that gives her
Superman powers for twenty four hours, and so there's a

(18:39):
sequence where there's these two people that fight for Lois's
love and Superman basically has these twelve tasks sent the
end of the twelve tasks, he's going to die. It's
very good, very very good. It's kind of it's not
very long read. It took me about an hour to
read the whole thing, which, by the way, these compendiums
that are ten bucks are a genius genius. I've been
buying so many them and.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
They look pretty on the bookshelf too.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
They do, they really do. And at the end, Superman's
dead and I don't know much more than that. Because
I didn't think Superman died other than Death of Superman.
So that's where I'm at. There's some really good things
in there. It goes through, it's very emotional, and it's
basically Superman coming to terms with death and him and
Lex coming to a head. It's if I had to
describe it in Batman or The Dark Knight Returns. How

(19:24):
there's one last face off between Joker and Batman. That's
kind of what you get in this story with Lex
and Superman to a different degree, but it feels the same.
So that one's a must read. And then we have
the Death of Superman, which is Dan Jurgen's who wrote
it October of ninety two to October of ninety three,
ran for a year. This was actually the thing that
the first real Superman story sat down and really got

(19:46):
into and read. It's been an animated movie, is really good.
What were you gonna say?

Speaker 2 (19:50):
You were gonna say something, No, I just I read
this recently, like this week, and like even just the
actual issue here where he dies.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
It's so good, powerful, and I know they I picked
it in Superman and Lois, I know that's that's I
know they get Doomsday and stuff. I do know that now.
The originally storyline was meant to be the wedding of
Clark Kent and Lewis Lane. However, production of the TV
series Lois and Clark the New Adventures of Superman had started,
and Warner Brothers requested that the comic do the wedding

(20:19):
whenever the series did it. Oh that's so cool, the
white cover the wedding.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
I have not seen that ever, Jen, So I this
is one of the comics Josh actually got me from
that garage sale. What so that sack?

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
That stack I sent you. Some of those were Josh
and his brothers growing up. And Josh even told me,
he's like, oh, yeah, I remember buying that one comic.
I'm like, wait, you read this and he's like, no,
I just thought it was gonna be valuable, So I
bought it. But a bunch of those comics when I
got that one from the garage jail, though, a bunch
of them were Superman. So I have the whole stack
in chronological order, and I'm just going through it.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
So I packed you had the whole death of Superman
in chronological order.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
I don't think I have the whole death. I have
a compendium that I actually already packed in my back. Yeah,
I have the The Death and it covers a few
other things too, so it's not it's all at order.
I'm just saying all that stack that I sent you,
of those, all the I have those in chronological release order,
and I'm just going through.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
I've never seen that cover, that that one that you just.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
It's very pretty.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, it's just if if you're not watching on YouTube,
it's the wedding album of Superman. It's a blank white
cover with the I've never seen that.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Actually, inside it is still you know, it's all colored
and wow. And then the last page is really cool
because it opens up so you see here you see
like Clark, one of those, but then you open it
and you see Superman and Lois.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
It's okay, that is freaking.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Dope, and it's like textured to it feels really Uh.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
That that leads me back to the frustrated creators who
were forced back to the drawing board to come up
with a whole new storyline. And actually one creator okingly
said just kill him, and so they decided to go
with that. And it's kind of funny actually, so the
issues to kill him if you want to collect these
issues that happened over the year. Superman Man of Steel

(22:13):
at number eighteen, Justice League America sixty nine, Superman Volume two,
number seventy four, Adventures of Superman four ninety seven, Action
Comics six't eighty four, Superman The Man of Steel number nineteen,
Superman Volume two, seventy five, and there was some like
Justice Leak of America and Green Lantern in there as well.

(22:33):
Now you also have the current run out right now,
which is Absolute Superman by James or Jason Aaron excuse me.
Unlike the traditional Superman who absorbs solar energy from his
powers or for his powers, Absolute Superman's abilities are connected
to his battlesuit, which requires external solar energy for charging
a regulation. There's a lot of other stuff. I am

(22:54):
a couple issues behind on this.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
It's app like Absolute Batman. They're making them poor. They're
like taking what essentially, yes, specifically special and throwing them on.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Their heads basically. Yeah, And there's a lot of known
issue one there is like people, they're real world issues,
you know how. There's immigration camps kind of there's a
lot of peacemaker type bodyguards guarding these camps that he
fights with you know, for their and Lowes. Lane's origin
is different as well in this but Kalel in this

(23:28):
universe does not have the Kent family that raised him
on a farm. Instead, he enjoys a childhood with his
biological parents on Krypton, who teach him to fight for
the underprivileged. Yeah. Interesting, very very good.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
I feel like you should almost be like, what if
stories these well.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
This is their new all in and absolute. It's really
good because these are they've gone.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
I mean it is, it is. What if. It's like
what if essentially I picked up to Challa instead of Pete,
Like that's what's happening. It's like what if Batman grew
up poor?

Speaker 1 (24:00):
And it keeps it fresh. I really like this, these
fresh ideas are coming up with. Honestly, I'm loving the
absolute runs, you know, all of them. Batman, I mean, Flash,
Aquaman all really good, really good.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
I feel like nature versus nurture.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, realistically. Yeah. We have Superman's Secret Origin, which is
Jeff John's sixth issue run. It's from the perspective of
Clark Kent and its history of self discovery, which we
kind of talked about now. Superman Birthrights by Mark Wade.
It was originally not canon, and then it was made
to replace Superman Man of Steel as the new canon,
and so it replaced that Man of Steel. Like I

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talked about earlier, it goes over twelve issues, so there's
a twelve issue run that makes his canon newer. We
have Superman All Seasons by Jeff Lobe and Tim Sale,
where it looks at Superman's early years through the eyes
of those that who are close to him. And then last,
but not least, the Superman Kryptonite. It's by Darwin Cook
and Tim Sale, and it's about his first run in

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with Kryptonite, some of your must read Superman stories.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
It's interesting the whole canon thing with comics because to me,
I feel like in comics everything is canon.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Well, Marvel never resets their timelines, whereas DC always does
timeline resets, which is interesting.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Right, Marvel's just like, okay, we're recognizing this as canon
to this specific story. But even like in the MCU,
what they're doing now is they've essentially made everything cannon,
which DC did the same thing in Crisis because in
Crisis they referenced Doom Patrol, they referenced Adam West's Batman
they referenced all of this.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Oh yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
But it's like, I feel like the only thing where
canon is really relevant is Star Wars, Like just tell
me because it's one essentially.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
You're right there, Actually, why don't you take us into
the fun facts? Though? About in some more comic highlights of.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Super So this is specific to Superman before we go
into some of his friends. So the explosion on Krypton
as kal El was leaving actually creative ryptonite, which is
only harmful to superpowered Kryptonians, as we saw in Crisis
on CW. So it wasn't until Superman sixty one in
nineteen forty nine that Clark actually learned of his alien oritination.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Wow, that is a long time between his release in
thirty eight, you know, and then eleven years he knew.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
But yeah, it took him a while. Yeah, so that
is interesting. I think that there was such a long
time where it's like, I mean, what was he thinking
was happening? Like, what's happening to my boxy?

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Really, this is puberty.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
It affects everyone differently.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Clear.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
So Shuster and Siegel actually sold their rights to Superman
for one hundred and thirty dollars, which led to many
lawsuits throughout the years, even after their deaths, which you
actually touched on when we were talking about Man of Steel.
So while they were in the same comic book in
nineteen forty one, it actually wasn't until Superman nineteen or
Superman number seventy six in nineteen fifty two that Superman

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and Batman first meet. And it's because they were randomly
put in the same room on a cruise because the
ship has overflocked, because I'm sure billionaire Bruce Wayne would
have ended up in some random room with some random
dude because.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Of this random. Whole thing is random.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
So when a tanker explodes outside, they both want to
change into their costumes. Fortunately, though a light through the
porthole reveals their identities.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Wait a second, you are and you are it.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
They agreed to team up and keep each other's secrets secret. However,
the radio counterpart the radio counterparts actually met seven years
before that, because, like you said, yes, there was radio stories.
What was it War of the World when they thought
like aliens were actually invading and it was just a story.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, oh yeah, they did the initial War of the
World's radio story, and people literally thought it was real
and then it wasn't though, like that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
It's crazy. Okay. So during World War Two, the US
government stops Superman Comics from publishing a comic where Lex
had launched an atomic bomb. This was during the ongoing
Manhattan Project, which created the atomic bomb and was confidential
at the time.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Russians larger Clark once.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Dated a mermaid in college named Lorie Lamaris. Because Clerk
only dates women who have LLL initials, he also dated
Lilah was last name Lane?

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Oh yeah laying Wow, he really does.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
He has a type counts down.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
I would have gone for the go.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
So he actually dated Lilah, who is and visiting the
planet before it was destroyed.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yes, ll makes me think of something very stupid, and
this has nothing to do with Superman.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
I was an idiot child. When I was a boy,
my friends and I thought we were so cool because
we lived on Liberty Lane that we started a gang
called the l EL Gang and garages and we used
to tag the local skate park with double EML.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Wow, were you just trying to attract Superman.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Or other women with LLL initials? Who knows?

Speaker 2 (29:13):
I mean, it's better than killing your dad with a hammer.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Oh god, some people that boy.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Oh wait, So my last fun fact about Superman before
we go into the other characters. This is a direct
quote from screen rant, because I was going to try
to summarize it, and I'm just going to direct quote it.
So quote. After the Second World War had ended, the
klu Klak Clan was undergoing a revival. They grew more
and more violent and audacious with their actions. This did

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not sit well with activists Stinson Kennedy, and he resolved
to fight against them. He decided to join the clan
in order to learn all of their secrets and operation.
Once the information was gathered, he learned that the police
were not willing to help him in bringing down the clan.
Looking for some way to hit the clan hard by
exposing them, he turned to the makers of this Superman
radio show. He hoped that they would be willing to

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adapt a story in which Superman would battle against the
Klan while simultaneously exposing all of their real, real world
lingo in secrets. The makers of the radio show thought
it was a great idea, and thus created a sixteen
part storyline aptly titled Quote Plan of the fiery cross
end quote. The story was effective in de mytholizing the
KKK and harming their recruitment efforts. So how that's really cool.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
That's cool Number one, I think we need to bring
that back about now for the amount of Yeah, because
first of all, fuck Ice and all you Nazi punk
ass bitches out there. I know this. We try not
to cuss, but this is selt warranted, all right, and uh,
we need to get back to some of that, okay,
because there's so many people out there playing dress up
and putting on these masks. We're all all convenient. You

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can breathe, you fat ass, all of a sudden that
we should probably use Superman truth justice in the American
way that means demeaning people like the KKK and beating
their asses. I'm just saying, I'm off my soapbox. Apology, geez,
you shouldn't have for that. No apology, not apologies, because
if you sit here and you back any Nazis or
what's going fuck you, first of.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
All, and if you're if you're listening to us and
you're surprised that we feel that way, you clearly must
be the story of the comics in the and whatnot
that we're listening and.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
You can't like comic books superheroes, throw Nazi like, no
you don't, I'm gonna gatekeep. You can't be a fan
of this stuff, and no, no, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
No, I mean you can. You're dis missing the point
and you're stupid in your piece of trash.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
But let's go to Lois Lane, who first appeared as
Superman or first Man god bless him sorry, first appeared
same ass Superman in Action Comics is she won nineteen
thirty eight. She's the only other character other than Superman
that has been around since the very beginning. She might
as well be Superman some of the things that she does.
She's a badass woman and probably the most badass non

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superpowered woman in all of comic book medias. Because Wonder
Woman's obviously really good too write that'd be very interesting
to do one day. She was drawn based on a
model Joan Carter or Joanne Carter. Jerry siegeal ended up powered.
That's actually that's true. Reby's not superpowered. She's super genius.
Surei's not, well, I guess sure he is now, but
you know, Jerry Siegel ended up marrying Joanne Carter, who

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was the model based off and eventually Lois got the
middle name Joanne as a nod. Lois's original origin was
a girl raised on a farm. Interesting crisis turned her
into the army brat that we've met in recent shows
and movies. From nineteen fifty eight to nineteen seventy four,
Lois had a comic book called Superman's Girlfriend Lois Lane.
She's so much more than that though. The run followed

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her solo adventures, but it still showcased Superman and had
some Lana Lang appearances. This run also took on some
social justice issues. There was a controversial story, I Am
Curious Black, number one oh six November of nineteen seventy
Lois uses a machine that allows her to experience racism
firsthand as an African American woman. See this makes me

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fall more in love with Superman because they really tackle
these issues. Yeah, and I think comic books should be
doing more of that right now for this younger generation
of people.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
I think they're doing it more subtle these days.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
They are well. For example, I mean Punishers taking They
have Punisher coming back in comic books, and he has
his original logo again, which is kind of them taking
back the logo from those trash heaps that are out
there doing stupid stuff.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Well, I think what some of the difference is is,
you know, if a comic book did something edgy in
the seventies, it was all word of mouth and you
were hearing it through mostly children that were reading the comics.
Now you have children, you have adult comics, and if
something is over the edge, it's blasted on social media
and like everybody can see, even people who don't read it.
So I feel like they have to be more careful

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and subtle. But subtlety only gets you.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
So far, right, I mean, I mean, listen, you see
it with like media literacy anymore, that there's you have
to just be point blank and honest because people can't
read between lines sometimes, you know. And going back to
Lowisane though she has gotten powers on more than one occasion,
and her and Clark actually have a kid named John
after Clark's Earth Dead and Lois and Laanna Lane, Clark's

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high school girlfriend, once became one person and called themselves
Lana Lane.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Somebody, I don't know if it was Gibson or if
it was Riley in our discord was asking what Lana's
last name was recently and they had thought it was
Lawanna Lane and thought she was related to Lois. And
I assumed they were getting confused because Lois Lane is
cousins with Chloe and Smallville.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Right, but I wonder if this is I actually really
like Lois and Lana's you know, kind of relationship and
things like that and Superman Lois right now as it develops.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
A relationship in that. I also love Lawa in.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
That she's she's pretty good so far in that. And
last but not least, with Lois. After almost the century
of being a reporter, as of twenty twenty three, Lois
became an editor in chief of the Daily Planet. She did, however,
have times where she was a freelance journalist as she
wanted to fight for social justice. Dude, I can't wait
to see Rachel Brosnahan take it to Lois and show

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us what she's got. She's a fantastic They.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Give her a lot of screen time. I hope she's
not just a supporting role.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
I think she's gonna have plenty of screen time. It's
Lois Lane. I think James gunn gets it. I'd really
do good.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
I hope so Lex I did not go deep into
as I should have. He first appeared in Action Comics
number twenty three, nineteen forty, created by Siegull and Schuster.
At one point during a rec on, Lex and Supergirl
actually dated and he's not always bald.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
But as we saw obviously in that Batman v. Super Yes,
and like.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
We mentioned before as well that they have redone him tour,
he was friends with Superman. They have. I honestly, there
were so many characters. I like last minute was like,
oh shit, I didn't mention.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Lex, and I know I could have gone more into Lex,
but I mean Lex could be his own episode with Superman,
which maybe we'll do. I will say, there's a really
good A lot of people might have seen the meme.
But in He Just League show, that animated series, Lex
switches bodies with Wally West and he takes off his
mask to find out who he is. And so he

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takes off his mask as the Flash and he goes,
I have no idea who this is, and it's one
of the most hilarious moments of the show because he's
so excited he's gonna find out who these members the
Justice League are. He takes off his mask. I have
no idea who this is, and it's so good. But
Clancy Brown has played the voice of Lex Luthor a lot.
We've gotten different iterations, of course, but yeah, we can.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Obviously do live action flex too.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, I think that this one. She's that beautiful here
he still has Oh yeah, so Jimmy Olsen though, why
don't you tell us a little bit about Jimmy Olsen.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
So Jimmy Olsen, God bless him. So. He first appeared
as a named character in the story Superman Versus the
Archer and Superman number thirteen and nineteen forty one. He
showed up unnamed through it though, and in Action Comics
number six. He it's like theories that he's in the
background in Action Comics number six, but he's not official
until Superman number thirteen. He was again created by Siegel

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and Schuster and Bob Maxwell. His full name is James
Bartholomeule Olsen, which I find funny just that some of
these names get reused, because obviously that's the flash. His
name is Bartholomeule. You have Martha Hues twice, and just
you know.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
That's always funny.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
So Jimmy is consistently the lovable young Daily Planet photographer. However,
the Supergirl version was less both for some reason and yeah,
because he has the freckles. That makes sense, one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, he was played by somebody totally
different in the Supergirl show.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, it was a hot guy who was like like
an equal to Superman and not just fan boying over Superman. Yes,
although he did fanboy a little bit over Supergirl. How
could you not fair? So he did have his own
run too, though Superman's pal Jimmy Olsen, which did very well.
He once turned into Turtle Boy. In the Superman Family comic,

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he became a reporter with the nickname Mister Action. And
over the years we've seen less bow Tie. I still
think that it should come back as bow Tizer.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Bring the bow tie back Man. Bow Ties will never
go out of style. I'm sorry. I'm a big fan
of bow ties.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
In the few random comics I have read in the
past week with Jimmy Olsen for one, I'm shocked he
wasn't in Cavill's one.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
I very real. He's a photographer.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
He ends up becoming though, like a big time like
news reporter guy too. He is not so much of
a dweb as I feel like he is portrayed.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
In me, I would definitely agree, would absolutely agree on.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
That, and I really hope again that he gets his
time to shine the actor though I felt like that
it has been cast because we both know him from
Santa Clarita Diet not to yes bring up drama, but
I hope he does a good job of being that
still fanboy but also being his own personal badass.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah. Well, because if you see it in a lot
of these animan movies or comic books, Jimmy is always
in the action with Lois because he's following Leis as
the camera guy.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Right.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
He's always Lois's kind of right hand man.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
And he's down into it. He's not scared, he's ready
to go to he.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Doesn't shy away at all. He is with Lois. He's
in the shit. He is constantly, always there, and so
I want to see that. It is a very big
unfortunate that you've never got a proper live action portrayal
of Jimmy Olsen in that regard, such as Superman Returns
or Man of Steel.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
They got a good job in Smallville, but it was
very confusing because they cast an Ashmore twin.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
When the other twin was oh, that's right, that's right, Yes,
But I mean.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
I really again, I really liked the Jimmy Olsen and Supergirl,
but we didn't meet him with Superman. We met him
totally separate, and he was he was too cool to
be Jimmy Olsen.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah right, you're right in the middle. I don't know,
you need someone. And again I always think of Archie,
but you know, I am excited to see what he does. Now,
let's go in to Guard Gardner, our famous bowl cutted,
a whole idiot Green Lantern who first appeared in Green
Lantern Number fifty nine by John Broome and Gil Cain.
Fun fact, I know a John Broom in real life,

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but he's not this job now straight from the DC
page itself. Hot Headed, unruly, and prone to breaking the rules,
Guy Gardner isn't always the most likable hero, but he
has proven time and time again to be a worthy
Green Lantern. If Guy Gardner had just been a few
miles closer to a dying alien named Evan Sir, he
and not test pilot Hal Jordan would have become the

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first human being to join the Green Lantern Core. The
group of interrigalactic heroes guided by the Guardians of the
Universe on the planet Oha. Eventually, however, Guy becomes a
Green Lantern himself, quickly earning your reputation as a rebel
without a cause who doesn't know when to shut up.
You know what kind of sounds me that's unfortunate. You know,
I just I run my mouth too much now. Whenever

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evil needs to be fought or live lives are threatened,
Guy is there to help. Don't expect him to be
nice about it. He has skills such as hard light constructs,
instant weaponry, force field's flight, durability, alien technology, skilled fighter.
And Nathan Fillion will be playing him. He's got the
bowl cut. He's a he's definitely a misogynistic in a

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lot of his comic book runs too.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
But I feel like we're seeing a bowl cut Nathan
Fillion portraying the Green Lantern.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Think comic actor.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
But he's gonna like so freaking like win people over
so much faster Oxe, Ryan Reynolds, Hal Jordan, and I
just think that is hilarious.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
You know what's hilarious too, is there are people that's true. Well,
he's got like the jacket. An he's got the leather
white coats. Well, he's got the white and black. But
what's funny is when the trailer first dropped, there were
people who were, what's with that haircut? Why does he
have that hair blah blah blah. Guys, guys, it's it's

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from the comics. Okay, come on, I've loved a.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Little But in the comics it's not as bowlish.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
It depends on the run.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
I guess maybe, I guess the runs I've seen. It
doesn't look great.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
I mean, he needs an awful hair cut, but so
does some people in modern day so.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
But it doesn't look like it was nineteen eighty seven
and his mom literally put a bowl on his house,
which is what.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
It looks like in this. I had a bowl cut
growing up. Okay, I really did, my husband. No, I
would love for Josh and I to compare bowl cuts.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Oh we can. My mother in law had the flow be.
Do you know what the floby is?

Speaker 1 (42:31):
What is the flow be?

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Where it sucks your hair and cuts it. So I
thought that that was fictional from Wayne's world. I didn't
know it.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
It's a real thing.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
It's a real thing. And my mother in law used
it on all three of her sons and offered to
give it to me for mine, And I said, I
thought that was.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
A joke for a poor logan.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Oh no, I would never do that.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Well, that would be a great way to do.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
And dude, his head got shaved a lot, especially during COVID,
and that wasn't great. I would not do.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Oh my god, that's hilarious. Oh God. Let's go into
Angela the Engineer, whose first appearance was an Authority number
one in nineteen ninety nine. She was created by Warren
Ellis and Brian Hitch. We know Brian however in the
wild Storm continuity. Angela Spica first appeared in the Wildstorm
number one. She's a medical engineer has a suit that

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keeps inside her body. That she keeps inside her body,
which is not the best as it causes health issues. However,
the suit gives her flight using an electrogravity engine system
stealth capability, whatever mountain ray able to cut through concrete
for easy ingress or egress scanning equipment can aid rescue
missions with medical scanners, which allows her to view internal

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organs said. Scanners can also be used to copy items
from her nanotechnology life. Support sufficient to protect the occupant
during an underwater swim from Long Island to Rhode Island
and holographic interface. And she is a good guy.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
This one's interesting because when I was reading about her,
because I don't know her at all.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I honestly, this is one of the ones I don't
know at all.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
But I guess like her suit being inside of her
causes like internal bleeding and stuff, so I wonder, this
is okay. So obviously I trust James Gunn. He brought
us the Guardians of the Galaxy Great trilogy. All three
movies were great. I mean, you know who wasn't as
good as one and three, but they were all fantastic.

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He brought these random characters that were not household names,
and now they are one hundred percent household names. You
have a Guardians of the Galaxy right at Disney World
at Epcot, you do, and it's so good. It's the
best ride ever. So I trust him. But this does
seem like a lot of characters that don't have household
origins to be thrown into a movie.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Uh yeah, no, you're you're kind of right there. That's fair.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
So right, which Kendra, we know she's.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
In a lot of stuff. All I feel like it's.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Really the only one we haven't seen in the mainstream.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
No, Isabella mehr cod Actually she was just in last
of Us. She's the last of us.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
No, No, I know that, but I'm saying the character,
the fictional character Angela is the only fictional character we
don't know, like really much about.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Yeah, I don't think I've ever like in Hawk Girl.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Animates are terrific. Are both in the arrow verse? Yes,
correct and cryptos.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Dive dive in a hawk Girl with us a little
bit here, all right.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
So this is Kendra Saunders hawk Girl. Her first appearance
was again in nineteen ninety nine and the JSA Super
Files number one. She is a metahuman. She has immortality, reincarnation,
and a very large knowledge of things that she has
gained from memories of past lives. She's a skilled archaeologist,
she's a detective, and she is very much so highly
trained in hand to hand combat and of course she

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is a weapons expert. So she was actually granted her
powers from the metal n THH. She got her superhuman strength,
her ability, a healing factor, and she can fly. Originally,
her abilities came from a harness and large wings that
she can control. However, later portrayals instead granted her power
through the metal, which later grafted with her physiology, granting

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her power similar to thungarion lifetime whatever that means. So
she's immortal through reincarnation, if that can be considered immortality,
because she can remember her past lives. She again knows
a lot, because they like, if you could take all
of this knowledge you've learned in your lifetime, remember it
and go to another and gain all that, like that'd

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be really freaking cool, well and also probably really sad.
So this knowledge makes her a trained archaeologist with an
affinity for ancient Egyptian history and alien world. And so
we did meet her in Flash and Legends. She actually
did at Cisco, but I don't know if you remember
if you were still watching. She and Hawkman would find
each other and they like they had Yeah, yeah, I

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do remember this from so right, They had like fallen
in love and then somebody else was in love with
her and like cursed them.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
They get like separated, but they always.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Come back to they find each other kind of thing. Yeah, yes,
so yeah, but yeah, we have a Dora playing her.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
That's right. She was Dora as well, and we have
Michael Holtz, Mister Terrific actually, who was created by John
Ostrander and Tom Mandrake. This is actually the second iteration
of mister terrific who, but his first appearance was Inspector
volume three, number fifty four in June nineteen ninety seven
and I kind of want to go in real quick.
Created as part of DC's twenty eleven reboot of its

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continuity with the new fifty two, Mister Trific received a
self title ongoing series written by Eric Wallace and Roger
Robinson and from there. Michael Holt is a child prodigy
who demonstrates advanced intelligence at a young age, comprehending the
works of physicist Night Neils Bauer, Albert Einstein, Max Plant,
and Richard Feinman before becoming a superhero. Holt possesses fourteen

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PhDs wow, and was a yeah what the heck man?
He was a made millionaire too, and aside from that,
he was also Olympic to Kathleen, Holt has been noted
as the most intelligent member of the Justice Society of
America and the third smartest person in the world. He

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contemplates yeah right, yeah, he does contemplate suicide after the
death of his wife, Paula, an unborn child in a
car crash. His previous atheism is exacerbated by trauma and
he comes to not believe in soul's reincarnation. However, this
is where the Specter aka Jim Corrigan comes in because
he inspires him to become these superhero Mister Terrific inspired

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by Terry Sloan where he joins the JSA and you're
seeing that right now and the Mister Terrific Year one.
That's kind of what I talked about in our previous
issue where I would read issue number two. So right
now in the DC all En series there are two issues.
Mister Terrific Year one plays into that expertly, and he's got,
you know, a lot of things, so he's multiple fields,

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right He's skilled in medicine, engineering, science, martial arts. His
uniform and equipment were designed with a mask that doubles
as a communications system and enables him to detect various
forms of energy. And he has his Tea spheres, which
are remote controlled floating robotics spheres with multi functions that
include holographic projection, hacking into other machines, and generating energy

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bursts face yes, yes, and you know he was in
the air verse. Curtis Holt was friends facility. I do
like that mister.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
They took him so it was played by Echo, but
they he was so sweet in the beginning, and him
and Felicity were just friends and so he was like
the guy in the chair kind of thing. And then
as the show developed, he became in the field. So
I really feel like the.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Echo Kellum who plays him in the area. Yes, I
was literally the fourth season when you get introduced a while. Yeah, no,
he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
And like I remember, it was like an issue with
him and his husband too, because like the husband didn't
want him going out there, because that's a big thing too,
like when you're dating somebody or married to somebody who's
a superhero, like every time they go out, you never
know if they're going to come home. But him and
Felicity had such great chemistry and he was so smart
and I didn't even realize until I was prepping for

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this that that was Curtis two and two together.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah, it's hw air o versus just kind of Yeah,
I forgot I've forgotten there more than yeah, so much.
I've forgotten, like half of what I remember.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Very very true.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
But but I said didn't make sense. But you know
what I meant.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
I know what you meant. And why don't you quickly
take us through Crypto real quick, who's kind of our
last big character before we kind of wrap things up here,
and this.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Is the first time we're seeing Crypto in a movie
that's not.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Like, Yeah, Crypto has only been in basically animated comic
books right.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Now, yeah, which don't knock the superhero pets around for
a while. First appearance was an Adventure Comics number two
ten and nineteen fifty five, so he's been around.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
So he's been around since fifty five.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Actually, in this Superboy or Superman Versus Superboy comic, Crypto
saves the day Man when Superboy goes Kent Farm. He's like,
oh my gosh, because the super Boy is in the
body of Pete but he's in the future, and so
he goes to the Kent Farm. He's like, I'm sure
I find some of my old amazing tools to save
the day. The only thing he can find that he
thinks will save the day is Crypto's whistle, So he

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whistles for Crypto and Crypto comes and save.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Which reminds me the trailer for this upcoming Superman film
where he's laying David Cordy, So it's laying in the snow.
He whistles for Crypto, which is James Gun's dog and
taking in. But the extended trailer is he's just jumping
around like a puppy around him. Yeah, it's so cute.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Okay. So, like I says for Exparents doing fifty five,
he had his own ship which was knocked off course,
so it took some time to get to Earth. By
the time he.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Gets so many single ships. My god, they weren't preparing
it was I know, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
So he gets there and k is actually a teenager
already called Superboy. He was created by Auto Binder and
Kurt Swan, so because he is from Crypton, the son
gives him the same kind of powers. His name, when
pretending to be a regular dog, is actually called Skip.
Very urgent before Crisis, he actually died saving Superman's life
by biding the neck of a bad Kryptonian, which irradiated him.

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There are many different versions of Crypto, including one where
he was the product of testing Krypton genetics on Earth animals,
which I thought that was oh so one of the
things I wanted to say as far as we were
talking about this earlier, and it came back to me
just talking about why do you have so many ships
sending so one of the things I loved about Small Villa.
And I don't know if this happens in the comics.
Maybe as I'm going through my stack, I'll find this,

(52:42):
because every time I see Jirell and Lara send Kalel
to Earth, I'm like, you could be sentencing your baby
to a worse death. And I was gonna say Vanessa
Lara even sesa, if he doesn't find where he's going to,
he's just you know, he's going to starve to death.
In s faith, he's going to die home. Wouldn't it
be better for a quick death in the arms of
your mother as an infant, I'd.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Rather know at this point in life, I don't have superpowers,
just God and the Earth already.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
So in Smallville, Durrell, because he knew what might be coming,
he scouted planets and found the Kent family, so he
so it wasn't Jonathan, it was John. I believe it
was Jonathan's parents, or was it Martha's parents whatever, whoever

(53:30):
had that what was the Kent farm? So I had
it been Jonathan, so he had the coordinates scent to
go to Smallville for them to for that specific family
to raise his son.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
I'm picked. Okay, I got you now, and that makes interesting,
That does make a lot more sense.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
I really don't my child into space and hope, yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Why not? Like hey, audios by very very bold strategy at.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
The end of the day, Cotton.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Let's see, I do really recommend right now because there's
only one issue out that you pick up Crypto, the
Last Dog of Krypton part of the DC all End
series that really has some tender moments. There's a moment
where Crypto cuddles up next to baby Clark as you
know Laura and joere L are having the conversation. There's

(54:18):
some really really good moments in there. I think if
you're looking to get into some Crypto comics, which you
might not be picking, like why would I read about
a dog? Because first of all, animals are amazing better
than humans, and secondly, because this is a very good comic,
and so you should pick that up. For sure. I'm
excited to see Crypto James Gun's bringing a lot of
things that we haven't seen yet to our our screens

(54:39):
for the first time. So I'm pretty freaking pumped, man,
I really am.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
I've not seen it in forty, which I'm excited for it.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
You're gonna have breezes too. I know they're gonna be like,
does your husband beat you? Because you're gonna a black guy.
I know, like, no, I saw a Superman of forty.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
But I mean, yeah, well, it's funny. When I saw
Dad Pull and Wolverine and forty, I saw it for
the second time because I see you already. So when
I saw it for the second time with Erica and Tabby,
so I got to give them the heads up of
hold your beer out like I knew so because they
should have the cup holders stand still.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
But they don't yet, so we.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Would literally you know, you have to hold literally you.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Go for a ride, you you legitimately do. It is
wild excited.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
So the last thing I have to say about the
Superman comics is, you know, I've just started reading DC
honestly in general in the last few years, and I'm
really going through this Superman stack and one thing I
have seen in the comics that I have not seen
in the shows of the movies is Superman's never portrayed
as unintelligent or stupid. Ever, He's never the butt of
a joke by any means, but he's never regarded as

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super intelligent. He's regarded more so at with his strength,
Whereas in the comics you have that inner dialogue and
he's constantly doing math and science and figuring things out.
Whereas it's almost like when you watch the Flash and
even though Berry's very smart, you have Cisco in his ear. Okay,
do this. We're gonna do this, and we're gonna see
this reaction with this. Superman on the comics is doing
all of that in his inner dialogue and using all

(56:08):
of his.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Skills, which I like a lot better.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Yeah, and I feel like we really don't get that.
Like I love the Spider Man that has the web
Slingers because it showcases his intelligence as opposed to the
the or now that Toby reguirest he's not intelligence. He
wouldn't been able to figure things out a little better
on his own if it was more intelligence. But yeah,
Superman's really smart.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
He well, he is an All Stars Superman, one of
the things that they do. Is the outcome from him
with the Sun is enhanced, you know, smart essentially, but
he is smart. He really embodies as well. He's I
think he's an underrated character. And I say underrated because
me coming from me, I don't care. I've always struggled

(56:50):
to get into him because I felt he was too
boy scouty and overplayed and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
A Batman, was it Batman? Hush? Yes, come on, boy scout,
save Lois and that's how they snap him out. But
his boy scoutness comes into play. It's very important. It
can snap him out of a trance, right, and.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
He really is the best of us and he embodies
what humans really should be, which is, you know, you
should just treat each other with decency at the end
of the day. And as I read more of Superman,
I do get more into him, and then David Cordon
Sweat is obviously getting me really excited for Superman. I
never saw this coming. I really didn't, but I'm really

(57:30):
glad that this is coming out. And I'm really glad
because you're really getting into DC now because as a
DC comics I've always loved DC comics, so seeing you
don the Superman and excited for a Superman movie.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
I mean, you know even more grew up with Batman movies.
But I feel like, yeah, w Arrow Verse, you know,
shout out to Tim and to my brother in law Jared.
They're the ones that like, you need to watch Arrow
and Flash. You need to and you know that's on
this but I still wasn't. I wasn't reading them until
this podcast.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
You even watch a low before I did, which is fun.
But no, well that means but normally I'm the one
that watches more of these shows.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Than I watched Small gl what two years ago? Yeah,
I think so, yeah, and flew through that ship Man.
But okay, so there was some comic con or something
and Grant Gustin, who plays the Flash in CW, is
wearing a Superman shirt and somebody else you're wearing the
wrong shirt, and he goes, no, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Oh, I like that.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
So if you actually watch any kind of interview with him,
he was a huge Superman fan growing up. He is
obsessed with Superman and I think that's so freaking cute
and adorable. And yeah, I also.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Have Cisco's autograph from the twenty fifteen MegaCon. I attended.
Funny enough, it's speaking of Cisco because we talked about
mister Terrific and stuff like that. I do have his autograph.
I don't remember where I put out to find it. It
was that back when the era verse is still really big,
but yeah, it was. Yeah, man it God, I'm enjoyed it.

(59:00):
So Superman comes out next week or tomorrow, sorry, technically tomorrow.
If you're getting the prime screenings, tomorrow comes out this week.
Go see it formallyate your own opinions. And it's not
a versus it's not a Superman versus Fantastic. For it
is we are living, we are eating, no matter what, because.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
You're going to make two completely different movies exactly.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
You know, really realistically the movies. Well, oh man, he's
he's old, and he's bougie. He's a boogie bitch. He's
in his fifties, right, I can relate on my fifties.
I'm bougie is in his fifties or yeah, well he's
in his fifties. I thought he said his fifty or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
It's weird, though, So that makes me happy because it's
weird that I'm getting to a point in my life
where all the superheroes are starting to be younger than
me because I'm used to them all being my age.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Yeah, it is, because like.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Cavil Evans thor like they're all my age.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
But even it's like a sports fan for me, I'm
at that age where everyone's retired and there you're old.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
And so Lebron's my age and he's so plane.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
I know that's true. That is true. It's it's exciting.
Go see Superman, Go see Fantastic for go catch a movie.
Form your own opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Wow, he's ten years older than my daughter.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Jeez, he's younger than I am. Now, I guess I'm
at that age. Go read some comics, you know, go
to your local comic shop. Pick up some Superman comics,
whether it's Kingdom Come, whether it's All Star Superman, Death
is Superman on, Superman Unlimited, Absolute Superman Birthright, whatever it
is Man, go check it out, go read, Go visit
your local comicook shop, and I can't wait. We'll be

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