Fantastic Four First Steps Review

Marvel Studios' latest film, The Fantastic Four: First Steps, is out everywhere now! The highly anticipated release of Marvel's first family has been seen by us, and in this episode, we discuss the things we loved about it and those aspects we didn't love as much (21 min.)

Did they hit the mark? The film stars Pedro Pascal, Vanessa Kirby, Joseph Quinn, Ebon Moss-Bachrach, Julia Garner, and more!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Hey, what's up everybody. Welcome back to another episode of
hopskeek News. You're home for comic books, movies, TV shows,
and today we got ourselves a fantastic episode as we
are going to be talking about Fantastic Four First Steps,
the film that has been long awaited from Marvel. It
has Vanessa Herby as Sue Storm, Pedro Pascal as Mister Fantastic,
Joseph Quinn as the Human Torch, Eban Moss Backrack as

(00:48):
Ben Grimm, Julia Garner as Shall La bal Aka the
Silver Surfer, and Ralph Ineson as Galactus. But first things first,
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News is how you can support the show and we
will be spoiling it. But first we're going to go
into what we've been reading or watching as well as

(01:09):
some news. It is morning time, so I know I'm
drinking water, Lauren, I assume you're drinking beer.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, I got a nice barrelage out here at eleven percent. No,
I actually have Hyde Street coffee from comics on Coffee
and I have it in my she holed mug because
she hold at one point has been a member of
the Fantastic Four. I have a comic here right here
with her. Oh yeah, gotta They think they went back
in time and Nick Fury wants to go kill Hitler
to save all the people that he lost in World

(01:37):
War Two. Obviously that never works out. You can never
go back in time because apparently Hitler is a fixed
point in time and every show, movie, everything, they can't
do it, or else they would do it. Obviously. Cool.
But don't worry, kids, because Dean winche just Dean Winchester.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Dean Wincht.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
My coffee is not done. I'm focusing on partial brain
power right now.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Oh my gosh. Well, well, let's go into what we've
been reading or watching real quick. So I've only got
a couple for this week. For comic books, I read
Absolute wonder Woman, issue number ten. You know this is
by Kelly Thompson, Hayden Sherman, Jordie Blair, Becca Carrey. Somehow
it continues to get better. Diana has gone into the
maze and she's so has to save everybody, almost to

(02:21):
a fault, and it's kind of the art gets really
trippy in this. I really got to say, Hayden and
Jordie stepped it up a notch. And I believe actually too,
this run one in eisener. I believe this past weekend
at San Diego Comic Con, which well deserved. I mean
the artwork. You know, Hayden, Sherman and them have been
doing incredible things, like I said, ten issues in and
this story continues to just get better, which is really

(02:43):
a testament to how great they are as far as
you know creators. Next, I did Mister Terrific, Year one,
number three, al letson on the writing, Valentine delandro Edwin Galman, Maurice,
Marissa Luis excuse me, and Lucas Catoni. This is obviously
exploring the beginnings of Michael Holt mister Terrific. So you've
got some hints and nods to his costume coming together. Essentially,

(03:05):
he sold his company off and he thinks they're up
to bad stuff. His friend died at the hands of
this company. The lady who's running the company thinks it's
Lex Luthor. He's obviously cool Lex. He's denying everything as
it goes on, and it ends on a Cliffhanger, and
also the beginning of these issues are taking place in
present day where the DC all in kicked off, which
is going to lead us into some pretty cool stuff

(03:25):
with DC's KO event, I believe. And then you know,
I read d c's New History of the DC Universe.
Mark Wade is on the writing, Brad Walker Michael Alred
are on there, as the artists Trish Moulville and Laura
Alred are. The colorists Todd Klein letters, Chris Samney and
Giovanno Niro are on the cover. And honestly, this is
it's really easy way to flesh it. Yeah, yeah, it's

(03:49):
Issue too of d This is the new history of DC.
This is issue too, and it's starting from beginning and
right now. It takes us up to the crisis, where
you know, Supergirl dies and everything, and there are so
many characters getting introduced, so many events getting introduced, but
at no point do you feel confused.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
So is it like a condensed version of events that
have already happened in other comic books, or is the
whole new story.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
This is no, it's it's yeah, I mean, it's telling
the story. This is the canon history of DC, as
of now essentially, and Barry Allen's telling you the story,
and you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
The art that he's the fastest manalized, even though you're
not the fastest manalized.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Does he does?

Speaker 2 (04:25):
There are many others that are faster.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
He does start with that, of course, but it's him
giving you the history and everything. And at the end
of this issue is pretty cool because it's got a
shot of Superman holding Supergirl because it ends at crisis
and then he's like, oh yeah, and I died. It's
the way he says it so casually too, with oh yeah,
and I died too. That was pretty cool. But this
is if you want to learn the history of all
these characters, like what DC's actually, it's worth picking up.

(04:49):
It's just maybe a little bit longer than a normal
comic book. But honestly, if you're really confused as far
as you know the history of characters, yeah, pick it up, man,
pick it up. Well, that's that's all I've read this week.
What did you get into?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
I've actually read quite a bit this week because I
ended up spending all day sitting in the sand reading
while Brielle because it was my daughter's birthday. I took
her and her friend to the beach, so I just
sat there and read for a while. First of the
comics I reviewed were The Current Wolverine run by salad
On Ahmed and Martin Coccolo. I'm really loving that one.
This one was probably my favorite one so far. It's
going into Wolverine's past and like he's basically met up

(05:26):
with his mother and his mother who's been dead for years,
who killed herself when she realized she had given birth
to a monster of a child, like you know, you
see at the beginning of Wolverine Origins, like that was
taken out of the comics and that like you know,
what have you become kind of thing in this point?

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Who are you? Why are you this way?

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Like, good lord woman, this is your child.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
My dude has had quite the life, and he's not
obviously like a full on monster. I mean, he's he's
all good here at all.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
It's not a monster at all. But I really enjoyed it.
And the internal monologue of Wolverine while he's fighting saber
Tooth in this mixed with the outside events were very
beautifully streamed together, and I just thought it was a
great story and I cannot wait to read the next issue,
because of course they end it with like a oh,
that's what's going on kind of yeah. I also did
two Ghost Machine ones, which is again the coffee I'm drinking.

(06:11):
I did Hornsby and Halo, which that's the Demon Child
being raised by good parents and the Angel Child being
raised by bad parents. So that's really starting to get going.
There's starting to be some more turmoil going on because
before it's just been like getting to know these kids,
and these kids are just normal little middle schoolers, and
now there's more stuff going on and the kids are
finally starting to kind of bond, which, you know, I
love a gray moral area, so oh yeah, same. I

(06:33):
mean obviously with Supernatural, I love the you know, I
love Crawley being a little bit good, and I love
cast being a little bit evil. So and the Rocketfellers. Oh,
I love the Rocketfellers so much. This has been my favorite.
I think of Ghost Machine, it's hard to pick a
favorite because they're also good, but I think Rocketfellers.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Is it really okay?

Speaker 2 (06:49):
I've just loved this one from the get go, maybe
because it's very relatable to me, because they're still very
so very much so trying to be good parents and
raise their kids. They're a family from the twenty fifth century,
hiding in twenty twenty five. This was I think the
sixth or seventh issue. It kicked off. Their first episode
was the first issue was a Thanksgiving one oh, and
I already saw the cover for October. It's gonna be
a Halloween one.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
So they've done all the holidays. They did Christmas too,
and so this issue is the first time we're actually
seeing why they had to flee. So we actually got
a flashback of their life in the future. So I
really like that to see because we've kind of been
left in the dark whereas Dad knows what's going on
and the rest of the family doesn't. So Dad's finally
coming clean, so that was fantastic. I also read some
absolute Martian Manhunter that has gotten a lot better. I

(07:32):
really liked growing. I know, the art's like crazy, and
the first issue it was a little confusing with the
art in what was going on, but I think we
were supposed to be confused because our main character was confused.
So now he's starting to He's still confused, but he's
starting to figure out what he needs to do more so,
so I am liking that. I caught up on some
absolute Aquaman and I read.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
I'm loving that Aquaman run so much.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yes, and I just got to a very sad part.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Oh yeah, you finally got to that part yep with Mira.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yes. And then I also read an Aquaman comic that
was a one off Shark Week special, so is at
my comic shop and they're like, oh, do you want
this one? It's free, and I was like, hell, yeah,
I wanted.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
It free of course.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah. And it was so cute because he's like fighting
his brother whose name I can't remember, or Orm, Yes,
he's fighting Orm. And then he comes across some Shark
Week research divers and they like help Aquaman out and
they're like kind of like celebrity, like, oh my god,
it's Aquaman. I should have asked for a picture. And
then he like teams up with some great whites over
in Shark Alley, which is like where Josh and I
did the cage diving like a million years ago there,

(08:31):
so it.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Was so cool to see like South Africa.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, South Africa. And I read it on the beach
at New Samurna Beach, which is Josh and Briell are
actually out there now. They took the poddle boars out.
They're going to go try to see some sharks. Because
we watched Florida Death Beach on Friday, which was that
it was good, so anybody watching Shark Week, there was
quite a few shark bites. There's shark bites are increasing,

(08:56):
but it's still very, very very rare. But New Smurna
is an hour from us. It's our favorite local beach
because it's just so pretty and you can drive on
the beach, so, like, you know, it's so nice to
have your car, Like I literally sat in the shade
of my car and was just reading the whole nice
for hours. It was lovely. But if you get bit there,
you're most likely going to survive. If you get bit
in South Africa, your chances of surviving are a lot

(09:17):
less because those are much bigger sharks. So the special
most of it didn't even take place on the beach.
They did a lot of snorkling offshore and they're trying
to figure out why there are so many like black
tips that are moving closer to shore and they think
it's they saw yeah, they well, they think the bigger
sharks are scaring them. Away because the bigger sharks will
eat the smaller sharks, like the black tips. So they

(09:37):
saw a few tiger sharks. They saw a great white
about a few miles off the coast of Florida. That
was really funny because the one guy like dove right
back in the water. He's like, there's a great white
and he got really excited and choked in the water.
But it was fun. They went down to the Bahamas
for a little bit and they had this like blow
up doll they called them spring Break Steve, and they
were trying to set them up to get attacked, like
they put a lot of jewelry on them, and they
put them with like some they chun the water a bit,

(09:59):
like he's you know, in his float. He's in a
rubber ducky float near like somebody fishing, and so they
were setting it up for attack, and the sharks didn't
want anything to do with them though.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Interesting. That is really interesting how that all works. It's
because the sharks know they're not getting paid on the camera.
So you know, yeah, I didn't watch anything else, So
I mean, by all means, what else have you gotten
into reading watching anything else?

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Dexter Resurrection I'm really hitting it. Yeah, it's hitting. We
met all the celebrities they announced we're going to be
in it. We met them all this week. You got
Kristin Ritter, Neil Patrick Harris, Eric stone Street, what's Tyrian's
real name?

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Oh yeah, Peter Dinklice.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Peter Dinklige, and David dest Melchian.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Oh yeah, yeah, I didn't realize she was in it too.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Wow. Yeah, he's in it too.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
There's a lot of good horror stuff though, so that
doesn't surprise me. You know, it's not that Dexter's outright horror,
but he does a lot of that style of show
or movies.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, but no, it's it's really good and really interesting
where they're taking it, and you know, they still have
Harrison around, and they they're doing a lot of nods
to the original show, which they didn't really do in
New Blood, right, So like they'll show like clips of things,
and they're bringing up things.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Which is as it kind of should, I feel like,
because pay homage to where you started, I guess, even
if it didn't end as we all had hoped.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
But and they are doing that, and they have a
whole new story that's never really been done before.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Oh okay, I'm liking it.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
If you're a Dexter fan, I say, check it out.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Well, Dexter Resurrection is on all the San Diego comic
con passes, so they are really, you know, promoting it
out there. Maybe I'll get it. I probably won't give
it a chance, but who knows, maybe I will at point.
I just I'm still a lot. I am working my
way through Superman and lowesst which I'm on the season
obviously where Bizarro has shown up, which I didn't remember

(11:42):
you saying anything about it to me as I was like, oh,
it's Bizarro, and I like the story. I didn't like
the story at first as they're doing it, but as
they connected the dots between him and that cult lady,
now it makes sense and I'm like, oh, okay, I'm
starting to understand a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
You're making me want to go in our recent.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Episode, well they did. They're doing bizarre really well so far.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, but I think that how they make his story
so tragic, I feel like, is why it's so good.
Does that makes sense?

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah? Yeah, what happened on our recent episode.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
So when we talked Superman TV shows, my beer picture
was actually Tyler Haulklin's Bizarro in the background.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
That's hilarious. I didn't even realize that. That's amazing. Sure,
just how much I pay attention guys. Okay, I don't know.
Maybe my brain actually blocked it out of memory because
it knew I was going to go and launch this.
I don't know. But let's go into some news real quick.
Ted Lasso season four is filming. There is a new
first lookout already, which is pretty exciting. I know there's
been some chatter about that. And actually the therapist Sarah

(12:40):
Niles from ted Lasso was in Fantastic four by the way.
Just wanted to point that out. She was the lady
who worked with Sue Storm and covered for her all
the time in like the un or whatever they were doing.
But yeah, so that's out there right now. And then
what we got some Invincible news. I know this is
exciting for you. For these next two pieces of news
are pretty exciting for you.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yes, Vincible has been confirmed for season five and Darryl
Dixon has been confirmed for season four, even though season
three hasn't come out yet, that comes out next month,
but the season four will be the last, so they're
heading to Spain for season three. I believe so interesting.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
I mean, we don't want to go too too long,
but the Darryl Dixon's road trip through the zombie Apocalypse,
only he's in Europe, which is kind of funny. I
remember he used to have he had like that motorcycle
show for a while, so this is just his motorcycle
road show. But in this universe, A Peacemaker Reminder does
come out August twenty first on HBO Max. Now it
does take place a month after the events of Superman.

(13:38):
There are more than one hundred different worlds, alternate universes
in this DCU that James Gunn has said we might
see some of them. Some of them are really kind
of hillacious. And then also apparently we're going to meet
some characters from Superman that are going to be in
the show. So I'm pretty excited about that. Cannot wait
for Peacemaker, so excited. Just absolutely killer.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
And I'm very curious to see how they, you know,
kind of do it all too.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
I am too, it is, you know, they were kind
of confirming he has a podcast recapping season one. Essentially
took our idea in a big deal. But they're you know,
going through and confirming like what's canon, what's not canon,
and everything like that, so it's not going to be
confusing for you when you go and watch it.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Which a little confusing.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
It probably still will be. And Toy Story is going
to be back in theaters for their thirtieth anniversary on
September twelfth, while Toy Story five is still set for
next year twenty twenty six. Yeah, that's all these movies
having anniversaries kind of sends you in a spiral. I'm
not gonna lie. You just sit there and think of Wow,
thirty thirty five, forty years wolf.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Well, like I remember watching because the second one came
out shortly after the first one. Like I remember that
being popular when we were in high school. Like we
would quote Toy Story to each other all the time
in high school. You are a sad, strange man or
uncultured swine. We use on cultured swine.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
We use that all the time even now.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, yeah, I think Josh called me one yesterday. I
forget why, but.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Because you couldn't make a cake. Probably at first, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
No, but yeah, no, it's the first One's the best one, man,
that's true. So did you see that there are Superman's
soundtracks on spot Gun.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
There is, Yes, mister Terrific has one, you know, Lex
Luthor has one, like Lewis Lois Lane Superman. There's a
bunch of different ones, which I think is really cool.
And it actually reminds me that Peacemaker season two's soundtrack
apparently is James Gunn's favorite that he's done ever, so
that James Gun's big into.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Musicians of the Galaxy.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
His word's not mine. Okay, his word's not mine. But yeah,
you can go on Spotify and they'll essentially tell you,
like what your taste of music and who they pair
you up with. I don't have Spotify anymore. I use
Apple Music, I know, but I haven't done it. So
that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
I thought I did look it up, and yeah, I
put it on and of course it starts with a
home Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Did you actually know too that there is a Supernatural
comic book that will be coming out supposedly taking place
between seasons one and two, launching this October. It's written
by Greg Pack with art by Eeter Messias, and it
is by Dynamite Entertainment.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Pretty interesting, It is interesting, but a lot of people
are like, for one comic book. Dot Com definitely made
that very misleading because people are commenting like because they
didn't say it was a comic book. They just said
like Supernatural coming back. So season one ends with them
getting hit in Baby by the truck driven by the
demon John.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Oh, that's right, that's right. Yeah, it's like, what's.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Happening between one and two? Like I saw somebody make
a joke like, oh, it's going to be Jared's dream
because they're all unconscious or something like. It's just like,
I don't know what they're going to do.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
I mean, I'm reach he picks up right when they're
kind of waking up at the hospital and everything. Yeah,
I didn't even think about it.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
I mean, maybe it's more of the Reaper stuff, but
that wouldn't make any sense. I feel like we got
all the Reaper stuff we need.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Maybe this is their way of just trying to get
them to come out of retirement and do more Supernatural.
Who knows.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Maybe, but I mean there was John making the deal.
Maybe there's more of that and we learn more of
what he knew about Sammy because obviously you know in
this in the beginning of season two, he tells Dean
that he might have to kill Sam.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Oh, it could be I don't know, see, I guess, yeah,
I guess. There's only one way to find out. It's
read it, right, yep.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
And I will read it. And if you don't want
to read it, I will tell you I will read
it too. So Benjamin Percy, known on this podcast for
his wolver Reine and Predator work, is working on a
new post apocalyptic saga and Stephen King will be contributing
to that.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
So he writes books, not just comments.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, he does, and he has the Red Band version
of The Punisher, his new run on Punishers and Becoming
Out this fall too. But I'm pretty excited to see
what Ben Percy does aside from you know, doing superhero work,
because he can tell some really good stories and I'm
on board. This might get me into picking this book up.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Reading well, I will read well.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
It's funny because I love to read, but I've been
so busy with comic books and stuff that i just
haven't had time to find a good book to sit
down and read. I just have it. Between everything we
do with the show and Nerd Initiative, I just have
not had time so this will probably maybe get me
back into finding a good book to read.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
And then you could write the review and post it
an nerd initiative.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
I could pair of apps. Now, something big is also coming.
The ogten Mutant Ninja Turtles are back in theaters August
sixteenth through twentieth, or their thirty fifth anniversary. We did
do an episode on that with DT from Space Castle,
so if you want to go find that, listen to it.
We did talk about it and paid homage to that
wonderful Yeah. I think it was back in March, but yeah,

(18:29):
it's coming back to theater. So I will probably take
the kids to go and see that, because why not.
Man's that's dope.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Do a pizza hut, Go to pizza Hut and then
go to.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
This god nothing. No, I won't eat a pizza hut
these days, first of all. But second of all, I
do miss the days where you can go in and
it was those plastic red cups. And we used to
be a country man, Okay, we used to be a
real country around here.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
You do the the all you can eat pizza a thing,
get the dessert pizza. Yes, yes, So our last piece
of news, so San Diego Cooma, Con. I guess did
air the trailer for season five of Them Boys. I
have yet to see it, but apparently there is a
glimpse of Jared Padalaki in his role in that why Also,
so Jen b dropped another trailer too, and there is

(19:10):
quite a lot of the Boy's crossovers, which doesn't surprise me.
They're ending the Boys, so they're probably gonna salvage as
much as they can into these other universes. Unfortunately, my
one of my least favorite characters on the Boys was
in the gen V trailer.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
But who is it?

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Starlight?

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Oh right? Though I knew that, it's.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Just been annoying me. My b Yeah, I know, she's
a good guy. I like her in the comic. She
just bothers me in the show, probably because she was
mean to Soldier Boy for no reason.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
She also just makes terrible decisions. So whatever. We'll be
back here in just a moment, as we are going
to go ahead and dive into our spoiler filled review
of Fantastic Four. Fantastic four, we are here for the
Fantastic Four. Like I said, stars Vanessa Kirby, Pedro, Pascal

(19:57):
Joseph Quinn, Julia Garner, even moss I can never pronounce
his last name, Ralph Innocon and A Paul wall Walter
Hauser as Moleman had to also put that out there too,
because yeah, not for nothing, but he was kind of
one of my favorites. But this takes place on Earth
eight to eight in the year nineteen sixty four. We

(20:18):
meet our Fantastic four. Fantastic four they have to face
their most daunting challenge yet as the Earth is under attack,
set to be killed and destroyed and all of that
good stuff. And the budget was two hundred million dollars.
Its first opening weekend is set to be projected between
one hundred and twenty five million to one hundred and
fifty so it's pretty solid. It's got currently eighty eight

(20:40):
percent of Rotten Tomatoes, seven point five out of ten
on IMDb, And we will be spoiling the crap out
of this movie. So if you don't want to know anything,
I highly recommend you disappear, go see the movie, come back,
do whatever it is it is. But yeah, let's let's
kind of break it down. This movie kicks off in
a very clever way. They do a good job of
getting us spun up on the Fantastic Four because they're

(21:03):
getting ready to appear on the TV show that they
always appear on. And it was very clever because you
don't need to go and see how they go back
through and go to space. They introduced them. They're the
superhero teamed. They explain how they got superhuman abilities from
their exposure to cosmic rays during a space mission. It
becomes celebrities. They've fought in super villains. Reed's inventions have

(21:24):
progressed technology all across the world, and Sue Storm has
basically made the future foundation because she's helped it lead
to global demilitarization and peace, and she's the only one
that Moleman will actually listen to and everything. And then
that catches us up to where Sue or Reid's looking
for some iodine for his shoulder and Sue finds out

(21:44):
that she's pregnant. They had been trying for two years
and essentially stopped. So Lauren, that's kind of where the
movie picks up and starts before we kind of dive
further into it. What were your thoughts initially leaving the film?
What are your thoughts on this film?

Speaker 2 (21:58):
I did very much still like this film. I feel
like it was it was risky from the get go
doing a very well known comic book movie that's been
done terribly twice before. I did not see the nineties one.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Uh, but I'm doing three or four times at this point.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
I mean, yeah, yeah, but they're doing this in a
different universe but connecting it to the MCU and having
it in a different timeline, So right away, it's like
you have to go into all of that accepting that
and being okay with that. But I really did like
what they did. I feel like my big thing though,
was Sue was my favorite because her being a mom

(22:34):
is essentially what saved everybody, like and that's kind of
how I like I viewed it. Like the scenes with
her being a mom, I felt like we're the most
powerful because it's like, you know, it's that superhuman ability
to lift the car, and you know, it's a you know, patriot,
mister fantastic being like Sue stop because I feel like
he was more worried about losing her, and she didn't
give a fuck she was she didn't care. She was

(22:55):
gonna do what she needed to do to protect Franklin,
And so I felt like they did a good job
catching us up quick. I like that these movies are
doing that. I saw that in Super Random.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Very Yeah, I need to go back to these origins
over and over again. I actually really like that you're
putting us in these universes at this point.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yeah, and I feel like the characters too. I didn't
mind that we didn't have so much backstory because I
felt like I already knew them. But maybe that's because
I've read some of the comics and stuff. I don't know,
but I walked out saying like, oh, I really liked
that movie. I thought it was very enjoyable, and I'm
looking forward to more of them, because obviously this was just,
you know, the first steps right than Thunderbolt Interesting.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
See, I liked it, I really I did. I thought
it was a fun movie. I thought it was very
comic bookie. I like that we're returning to these more
comic book style films we've gotten away from. Oh God,
everything has to be so realistic and dingy and dark.
And it's another I really think the MCU is now
learning is you get a movie like Thunderbolts that's centered

(23:54):
around mental health and it's a little bit more serious,
and then you can go to something like The Fantastic Four,
which is kind of goofy in its own way, serious
but it's it's still serious. They're genre movies, and I
think that's what the MCU will really benefit from, is
doing different styles and genres of movies, and these two
movies that have come out for the MCU are very
much attestament to that, I think. But I did like it.

(24:17):
I will say that my favorite part was the family aspect.
They really truly nailed the family aspect. Vanessa Kirby was
outstanding as Sue Storm, I mean, and then all of
the characters, I mean, Johnny Storm, Ben, Sue Reid were
all cast I thought perfectly. I will actually say that
Ben was my favorite of the group just because there

(24:37):
was I thought he played him extremely well. And it's
a little harder to portray some things, obviously, because he
was essentially the only one that was cgi the whole time.
He was never his human for him, but you know,
he would all. He was the one that was I
liked they leaned into his comic book where he always
puts on clothes and he's out there walking the streets

(24:59):
of New York. So I really liked those aspects. And
then I like Johnny because everybody wouldn't listen to Johnny.
They just think he's just out there for girls in
space and kind of just screw off. And he was
one that really ended up solving a lot of things
and connecting with Silver Surfer. And then I liked also
that Read very much. Read was a dick man. You know,

(25:20):
he's just that, I don't know if narcissist is the word,
but he's too smart for his own good because he
was ready to sacrifice his child from the get go.
He was not and he never really seemed to care
about his own kid a lot. In the movie. He
cared obviously for Sue and everybody else, but he he
just I don't really know what the right word is,

(25:41):
but he was a complex character, which I thought was
actually pretty well done. And I will absolutely agree that
Vanessa Kirby's su Storm she leaned into that mom mode.
You saw it when she got really mad with Galactus,
and then you also saw it when she brought Franklin
out there to the crowd and was like, Hey, this
is my baby, and I'm not going to sacrifice the

(26:03):
world for trade lives. Yeah, She's like, I'm not going
to sacrifice him for the world, but I'm not going
to sacrifice the world. You know, we're all going to
get through this together. And I thought that was a
really well done aspect of the story too, And then
being that it was in nineteen sixties, I thought added
to the aesthetic of the whole thing. So I really
did enjoy that. Now, I will say, on the reverse side,

(26:26):
I left the movie feeling like I something was missing.
I don't know what it is, still cannot quite place
my finger on it.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Well, I mean it was just an introduction maybe because
we know that we're going to get more and like
like you said, this is spoilers for Thunderbolts. If you
haven't seen Thunderbolts yet, you're gonna want to skip ahead
that end credit scene for Thunderbolts. Nothing, But it's I
think it honestly means more because we all assumed like, oh,
they failed, and now they're coming here, and so we

(26:56):
don't know what that means. Now, we don't know why
they're coming. We know Secret Wars is a going to happen,
and something's going to happen, but it's we have more
story to tell. We're going to see more before those
worlds collos literally or metaphors.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
I guess you're right, because Spider Man is going to
be as contained story and that is next July, and
then we get Doomsday, So I guess I'm just curious.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
You're right.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
I think you're one hundred percent right. We thought they
were going to fail and the Earth was going to
be destroyed, but then they didn't, and it fasts forward
to four years later. I know we're getting ahead with
the post credit scene. It shows four years later and
that's when Doctor Doom shows up. So you're like, wait
a second, interesting, how does how does this connect to
what's going on?

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (27:38):
How do they end up here? Because they laid some
bits and pieces to it, because I thought it was
really cool that his whole plan was hilarious. What if
we take the Earth and we move it over here?
And the way they set that up was I thought
it was hilarious.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
But I love that that didn't work and then they're like, Okay,
we're going to do this. Like I like that their
plans weren't working and they kept coming up with plans
that then and then that one made and so I
I really did like And that was my issue with Thunderbolts.
I feel like Thunderbolts wasn't resolved. Sentry is a ticking time.
Maybe if you haven't seen Thunderbolts, you shouldn't be listening
to this. It's gonna be kind of hard to talk,

(28:14):
you know, one the newest MC movie without talking about
the most recent one before that. But I just I
liked that they were able to solve this problem, and
I liked that they had to think outside the box.
And I liked that everybody was willing to take their shots.
I liked that this shot, you know, when we saw
Johnny about to go, I'm like, oh, Johnny's going to
sacrifice himself. That was in the comics. Yeah, and like
and then when for a second when I was like,

(28:36):
they're not gonna kill Sue Storm, like it's it's this
is the first one. They're not gonna kill Vanessa Kirby.
And then when they were waiting for a while, I thought,
maybe that's what the end credit Thunderbolt scene is. Is
Franklin or read going and finding another Soux Storm and
other universe crazy? Obviously he discovers the multiverse? Well that
could you know? I read Mark Guggenheim's book recently, and

(28:56):
that was his whole That's the premise of that book
is his wife eyes. So he just scovers multiverses to
go find his wife in a different timeline. So maybe
that's what put the idea in. I had great book,
by the way, if anybody wants to check that one out.
He's also currently right Green and Spider Man. Spider Man
and Green.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Well, actually that is a good point, because you're right
they do lay easter eggs out there for multiversal travel,
because you know, after the Silver Surfer comes to Earth
and is like your Earth has been marked for destruction,
have a great day, it disappears.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
What is it they what's his name? Not Ebon. It's
like Thanos has come to Yeah, yeah, be grateful, Rejoice, rejoice.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
You know, they track essentially Silver Surfer's energy signature to
all these different planets, and so they use faster than
light travel they which they basically hook up to a
thing with their spaceship and they go and are going
through wormholes. Yeah, they go through wormholes and they end
up finding which I thought this was a really cool
scene when they arrived to the planet and it's Galactus
actively eating and destroying that planet. Was really well done.

(29:59):
It was visually stunning. When we get to that point,
I was kind of blown away that, holy shit, this
is dope. And they go into there to see what's
going on, and you're inside Galactus's ship, which is different
right through than the comics because when he arrived for
the very first time in the comics, he basically sets
up something on top of the Baxter building and starts
to destroy the suck the energy force that way. So

(30:20):
him having this basically giant machine that he's hooked up
to to eat was relatively clever. And they go and
they're talking to him, and I thought Galactus's first appearance
was pretty menacing. I mean, they don't know what to expect.
They show up that everybody they leave Earth, everybody's hopeful. Yeah,
Fantastic four. They're waving, They're big.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Fantastic pregnant woman into space that I didn't.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
She's gonna be fine, however she was.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
There wasn't even a discussion about her going. It was
just known she's gone.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
She's good in the g forces on this poor child
go on.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
An airplane in the last But so I do wonder though,
like his Franklin's powers obviously he's got two super parents.
That makes sense, But were some of his powers though
increased by him being in space, by him being exposed
to Galactus and all these other things, Like did that
increase his powers or was he just already going to
be super baby? Like, I also feel like you need

(31:14):
to be born in space.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
So I am interested too, because essentially, Franklin Richards is
a powerful being. He has vast reality manipulating and psionic
powers beyond most Omega level mutants. You know, he's the
son of Reed and Sue. He's the older brother of
Valaria Richards. He's the nephew of a invisible woman's younger brother,
the human Tooritich. We know all of this, and you

(31:37):
know his he goes by powerhouse is kind of what
he knows. And Franklin restricts the use of his powers
to once a year in order to give himself a
healthy childhood in the comics. But his abilities are reality warping,
matter and energy manipulation, energy projection, psionic ability such as telekinesis, telepathy,
astral projection and precognition, teleportation, immortality, and he can create pockets.

(32:02):
So he's got a lot of freaking power. This kid,
and but I do wonder how much of that because
nothing was being picked up on reeds and then he
decided not to obviously, but we're jumping ahead. But I
liked when they go to Galactus's lair. Glacus essentially like, man,
what do you oh, you're pregnant. Let me get that baby,
because if I eat that baby, I will be satisfied.

(32:23):
Nothing satisfies my hunger quite like a Snicker's.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Franklin would take over his hunger, so then he'd become
the new.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Galactis pretty much, and they're all like wtf no, And
then that leads into some cool chase sequences they get
back onto the ship. You know, I liked when Galacus's
eyes would go that bright blue when he's scanning. I
like the sound production with the way his eyes would
It was like this heavy just scanning, but it sounded
deep and menacing and large, I guess you can say.

(32:52):
And the way he's hooked up to those hoses eating
was really interesting too. Into a lot of it. And
then obviously Shallabaal chases them. They're they're trying to get
away from Glactus because he's like, give me that baby.
I want the baby, and a little weird, but.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Once again it's like bringing me the child from.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah, like I want the child, Like, no, here we
are Pago again, Like why is everybody trying to steal
my kids?

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Man? Yeah, first Grog, then Ellie, now Franklin. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
They get back on the ship and that's when Sue
starts to go into labor. And it's kind of crazy,
right because my whole thought during this time is, hey,
she's going into labor. First of all, get on her
for running during contractions. Second of all, in my head
initially was like, hey, she still has pants on. How
is this baby?

Speaker 2 (33:37):
This is gonna go? It's like the baby's coming up,
Like I don't think the baby's.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Going I was like, where is that baby gonna go?
And then the pants you saw flyoff and I was like, oh, okay,
that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah that was actually good. I mean there's never in
the history of ever, I think, been a realistic burst
scene in any movie or TV.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
No, this isn't what breaks the suspension of belief. We're
talking about cosmic beings and superpowers and if my problems
never and there's nothing floating around, that baby came out
clean as can be. There was nothing she was perfectly
fine after she.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Should have been a massacre, so much fluid everywhere.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Like not for nothing, but she was oh gross, you know,
and their brothers right there, her brother's right there, and
then poor Ben Grimm has to come up and like,
I mean, poor.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Baby though with those rock hands cold like cover that baby.
Space is cold, like so straight to like Star Wars.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
I'm like, oh my god, baby was just chilling the.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Baby in the snow without a hat on. I'm like,
put a hat on that baby.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yeah, she was not covering for as good as a
mother she was, she also was like wolf and then
she's perfectly fine after Obviously, she makes the ship go invisible,
which I thought was cool, and they end up trapping
shallow Ball into the wormhole there, the black hole, i
should say, which I thought was really cool.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, and focus between contractions. That was really cool.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, and I thought that the way they had the transparency,
so I thought they did their powers really well, especially
sues and surfers, you know the way.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, she showed the baby too, that was cool.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Oh, that was really cool too. I thought that was
really really well done. And the baby was ai cgi.
I didn't realize that until I had to look it up.
They like de aged a baby, I guess, and then
also used a lot of CGI and things, which was
really interesting.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Wow, I see. I assumed Vanessa Kurby got pregnant right
after because that baby was so freaking cute.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Right well, the CGI, I mean, you can see it
in some parts because when Reid goes to hold the
baby in place, you know, Franklin on top of her
after she dies, you can see that it's not quite
lining up. There's some wonky CGI there, which you're never
going to be one hundred percent perfectly. I'm not a
CGI master by any means, and so I can't.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Silver Surfer, I cut you off.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Oh, I was just saying, like her powers I thought
were cool, you know, the way they showed her transparently
coming into the ship and then they blast away, or
the way you know she got sucked into that wormhole.
I think my overall, probably my biggest issue was they
very loosely dabble into her backstory and then she doesn't
really play a she. I was thinking she didn't play
a big part, but she really does. There she's constantly

(36:14):
chasing them around. I guess I wanted more from Silver
Surfer in a way, Silver Surfer ends up helping them
battle and has more monologuing, And that's just me probably
having higher expectations. Not for nothing. She did sacrifice herself
to push Glactus into the hole at the end, so
she really did end up helping them. But again, I
think that was just me. I think, yeah, because I

(36:35):
do think that. I guess the villains. I was a
little whelmed by the villains overall. I wanted a little
bit more from Glactus. I wanted a little bit more
from Shalla Bal. I think that's my problem, not that
it takes away and it's a bad movie overall. I
just feel as though we finally get here, we get
back to Earth, you know, we essentially is honest with them,

(36:56):
doesn't know what to say, and he's like, hey, they
wanted my baby.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah no, And I was shocked he told them that.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah, so real?

Speaker 2 (37:05):
I not. Oh my, in my head, I was like,
what this guy's supposed to be smart, Like how does
he think the world's going to react to that? Like, yeah,
sacrifice your baby to save my kids? Like why is
my kid less important than your kid? Like what are
you doing here? Like of course there was going to
be a mob. And I mean, I guess because they
were so loved, they thought that they could just be
brutally honest and everybody would understand. But like I thought
that was I thought that was a terrible idea.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
I was a little surprised. I expected Ben to kind
of step in, I guess, and essentially lie because Pedro didn't,
you know, miss Reid didn't know what to say. But
when he was essentially like, yeah, no deal, buddy, sorry,
and then everybody gets mad, it's pretty realistic, deservedly, so
I don't blame them at all. What do you think
you tell the world that? To them, it's this stupid baby, right, Wow,

(37:48):
you guys are superhero.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
You to save the many kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah, it's it's one of those things. Would you sacrifice
one to save the world in this case? And to
them no, because they had been trying to have a
baby and.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
They're as their world. Yeah. Well, And I liked when
Shalla Ball was going after them and Susan Labor and
she yells at Johnny kill her. I love that.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
That was a good scene too.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, yes, because it's like, you know, it sounds terrible.
I'm so sick of these heroes that like won't do
what needs to be done. And Johnny kind of looked
a little surprised, and she's like, she's trying to kill
your nephew or take your nephew, like go kill her. Yeah, like, yeah,
someone who's threatening my kid's life. Like I would tell
my brother that, yes, legit. Though I loved that scene.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
I it was a really good scene. I liked first
of all, how they did the human torches powers. That
was I thought it was dope. You know, he looked
really good. I thought he did a really good job
playing Johnny as well. And but you're you know, she says,
you're these heroes, do what needs to freaking be done. Man,
you guys create so many of your own problems. I'm sorry.
I think we could. It would be okay if you

(38:50):
killed some of these bad guys for the things that
they have done. I think it's okay. You're not going
to go into a slippery slope. You want to make
the world a better place. Kill them. And she's also
with his herald, you know, And this leads us to
them trying to figure out what to do. How are
we going to do this? And they Johnny, who cracks her,

(39:11):
you know message, because he was listening to a bunch
of different recordings and he's like, I knew I heard
this before. Was really smart, you know, he decoded essentially
her language, which I thought was pretty cool, and they
kind of leaned into the backstory there. They even named
the planet, which I thought was awesome and kind of
talked about it. I am kind of sad that there
was no mention of norin Rad at all. It was
just her and you know, her daughter, and so she

(39:33):
sacrificed herself for the planet, and there was no mention
of you know, the actual six one six or you know,
the first iteration of silver server. So I'm interested to
see how that would play out. But they hey, let's
teleport this egg and it starts there, and then they
decided to go from a planet, I know, they go
really far, like, we can teleport this egg. Now, let's
do the Earth. And it is funny that that their

(39:55):
whole plane is that. And so they build these bridges
and the first time ever that the planet decided to
go together. And you know, even though the Earth would
be what a world right eight to eight must be,
that the planet decided to collectively come together because I
don't see our Earth ever doing that.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
They did it an Independence Day.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah, well that was the nineties. We are hopeful still
in the nineties.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
The sixties.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Well I'm saying like Independence Day was the nineties, but yeah,
this was the sixties. I guess you different Earth, but
you know that was that was cool. And then the
whole thing was to hey, we're gonna sit there, We're
gonna sit rebase, or you'll bring him in, We're gonna transport.
But then Silver Surfer comes in and starts destroying them,
and then Johnny stops her because he's like, hey, I decoded,
all right, I know your your whole backstory, all this

(40:41):
kind of stuff. Tell me about it. And also another
big part was they got all the citizens in New
York City to go into Moleman's subterranea, which I thought
was pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
She's like your feet, I'm just kidding, it's dirt.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah. I thought he was honestly really fun the comedic
aspect because he comes into the building and he will
only talk to Sue, and so he's basically trash talking
read in them, and I thought that was hilarious.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
I think they did a good job too of like,
you know, this is a family from the sixties. This
is our you know, Marvel's first family. And if you
go back and read the original X Men, the original Fantastic,
for the original Avengers, it's a little bit cheesy. It is,
it is very cheesy, and so I thought they did
a good job of keeping the cheesiness of this original
Marvel family but breaking it up with jokes like when

(41:27):
Sue was showing the tummy and then doctor Reid is like, uh,
doctor Reed read is like He's like, well, that was
a ship way to win an argument or something like.
So they broke it up and they brought in some
present day right humor with some classic cheesiness of this
first family. And dude, when they first showed the fight
with the moll Man, I mean, it was like a

(41:49):
screenshot of the first issue of Fantas was It really
was Yes wearing our shirt, which is a nod to
that comic. So I loved seeing that. So right away
I was like, this is gonna be very classic comic.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
That's the good thing again, is the modern day comic
books are kind of leaning into that cheesiness of the
lore because comic books are inherently cheesy. They really are.
No matter how you know, serious the story may be,
there's always cheesiness to them. It's always kind of ridiculous.
So I thought that was really cool.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
They really did and third person a lot, which Johnny
was doing.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
And then Johnny talking to himself in third person.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
I love what Johnny talks. But I think there was
a time when we needed the dark comics because you
needed to bring in people like myself who had never
a comic book. So it needed to be grounded. And
it still needs to be grounded, but it can be
cheesy and grounded, and I feel like this movie did
that well.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
They played with some really heavy undertones while you know,
they really did, and they kept that sixty. I think
the sixties aesthetic plays into how cheesy it is but
also being serious. You know, he's Glactus is coming to
eat a baby. There you go pretty much everyone, a
lot of people are going to die.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
The stretching mister Fantastic. That was okay.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Yes, So now Glactius comes to Earth because they put
Franklin right there and he's gonna they're gonna trick him
in and they're gonna teleport him basically to where he
can't touch anything for millions of years, and he finds
out their trick swipes through the Baxter building, gets Franklin
and so Reid. I thought they did a good job
showing Reed's powers too. You know, everyone's powers were showcased
really well. There was nothing that I was Wow, that's

(43:19):
kind of cheesy because the whole movie also, another good
part is Johnny is trying to get Ben to say it.
He says, say the line, He's gonna say it, it's
in the cartoon. It's in the cartoon.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
That was fantastic like that.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
You know, Reid gets there and yeah, the whole he's
just stretching him with that smile on his face was
crazy done. I thought that was sick.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
That was funny too, because he's like playing with a toy,
like like I could see logan out of my eight
year old doing that, just pretending to stretch out exactly.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
And then you know he like basically lets him after
he gets hit and everything, because Johnny's like, say the thing,
I'm not gonna say it, say the thing. Ben's it's
collabor You finally get it's Clober and time as they
hammer Neglectus's face. I thought that was so fun. That's
probably one of my favorite moments in the movie. Like
I said, Ben and Johnny's chemistry together, those two are

(44:10):
just uncle goofy uncles, and they were my favorite characters
in this movie. I could have done without Natasha Leone.
I thought that side bit was a little weird.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
I feel like it's they're setting something up for the future,
I would think, because yeah, I definitely agree actress to
just play that small.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Role she is, yeah, and I do wonder where they're
gonna go. And it wasn't his normal love interest with
Alicia or whatever.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
You know.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Her name was Rachel, I believe, and so I thought
that was interesting. But it shows humanity, right. I liked
the part where Ben too the kids are pick up
the car. He's like, you want to pick up the car?
He's like, I can't do it.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
I like to throw the car.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, he picks up he like face throws it at him.
That was amazing. If I had a superpower or something
like that, that stuff I would love to do. You're
just messing with kids. She's like, next time, you should
throw it at him and all of that, and you
get a little bit of a I grew up right
here in the building so super close. That was really fun.
And then you know, going back to the street, Yeah,
they even you know, name dropped the street name and

(45:09):
everything and a lot of good nods and I really
enjoyed during the fight, everybody kind of got their chance,
but Sue really was the most powerful one at all
because he's about to take the get out of there,
and she just uses her full force of powers to
push him into the hole. And that's when Shala Ball
pushes Johnny the way as he's about to sacrifice himself

(45:29):
because Glacus is coming back out. She hits him in there,
the thing closes and he's gone and she dies essentially,
And I thought that was Sue was badass in that point.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
M And I mean that scene was heartbreaking to having
the baby reach for the mom and.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Oh yeah, because he knew. But and it makes you
think when Reid was sitting there, it's like, if you
want to show me now your powers to be great
and nothing happens. And then I kind of got the
vibe that when Franklin knew that something was wrong, he
was reaching for her. I wonder if he you because
he could heal her, you know, because that's think of that.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
I just thought, like, this is a baby who wants
his mom.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Like, well, it's the way they.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Every baby reaches for their their mom.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
That's a good point. I took it as something deeper,
I guess.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
I mean, it probably was something deeper, but that's essentially
I just I guess in that moment, I just felt
like this was just a tragic moment where like the
baby wants the mom. It's like blind King when Simba
cuddles up next to a dead movie.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Well like him on the chest, on her chest, and
he's sitting there and doing and then you can see
like the baby's face kind of change a little bit
to like this happiness. I got the sense that that's
was showing that the baby is because he.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Just wanted mom. That's just where I thought.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Obviously she comes back to life, you know, yeah, and
everyone's happy for four years and we see fast forward, uh,
her reading a book, and I thought it was funny,
is we already read that book? And it was what
Charles Dickens or something like.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
That, which I'm sure is a testament to his intelligence,
you know, seeing who his parents are. But I thought
that they were going to have her pregnant again, like
when's Valeria coming? Like how I.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Was curious about that too, or she was going to
go into Valeria's room or something like that.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Right the baby starts crying.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Yeah, because Valeria plays a pretty important piece in Secret
Wars and things like that.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
But Valeria is named after Doom or Doom named her,
so maybe she'll be pregnant, and poor Vanessa Kirby, she's
either pregnant in real life or pregnancy.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
I am interested to see how that does play out,
because the credit scene was, you know, Doom holding his
mask talking with Franklin, and Franklin was.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
An industry extra come over here and put.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
This, Hey can you put this cloak on? And yeah, perfect,
But it did leave me the questions because but your
point makes sense about how the spaceship would be coming
and all of that stuff. I guess again, maybe that's
just me. But overall, I thought the visuals are really good.
Visuals were very well done. I thought this was what

(48:06):
the movie should have been for Fantastic four, because they
have tried so many times that you needed to bring
it back to basics in that it needed to lean
into the campiness of these characters a bit. The sixties aesthetic.
I wouldn't even mind. If you know, after we get Doomsday,
we kind of reset things in the MCU and we
just go off of Earth eight to eight, and so
we see a lot of these sixties style heroes, right,

(48:29):
you know, the Invincible Iron Man, I Gotta do, the
X Men.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Isn't that the whole thing? If they reset, it'll be
based around mutants.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
It will, So that's what I'm saying, though, I wonder
if you can play in this Earth eight to eight
and it's all mutants at this point or something. I
don't know, it's just an idea. I doubt they would,
but I thought it would be cool to kind of
pick up on Earth eight to eight and let that
be the Earth going forward we play in this universe
going forward, because again, when you get the mutants, you
can really lean into those sixty style type of first

(48:59):
of all, comicesthetic, and then number two, the mutants and
everything that the seventies and eighties were really big as
far as mutants go and things and how the Earth
for them goes through it all. I don't know, I
just think it would be pretty cool, and it's a
cool way to introduce because they already said they're going
to end up recasting iron Man and all these other heroes,
but at the same time you don't want to. You're

(49:19):
finally getting Kate Bishop, iron Heart and all of them
in the MCU. So I'm curious.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I can going to be forty by the time we
see a lot That's true?

Speaker 1 (49:27):
God, yeah, because when would you see I don't even
know that you'll see iron Heart in the Doomsday Secret
Wars because I mean you could, but what realistically Kate
Bishop on them?

Speaker 2 (49:36):
She's dark side.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
I feel like, I know, So what are we going
to do with that? I guess you can't really split
it off. You could. I don't know how they're going
to do it. Who knows when we'll see happen a job,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
We don't work on it. We just critique it.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
We just talk about it. Gets a critique it, You're right,
even though who am I to critique it? I'm just
a guy in a chair.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
But no, I like the whole sixties superhero thing. It
gave me like Incredibles vibes, which obviously, yeah, I'm sure
is more so, you know, mirrored off of Fantastic Four.
I would think, I mean, you even have the Stretchy
person and the mister Incredibles like I mean all the superpowers, yeah,
missus Incredibles like mister Fantastic. Yeah, mister Incredible is like
the thing Jack Jack is like Tor. And then the

(50:16):
girl is uh has Sue's powers. She goes invisible and
makes sense.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Oh yeah, Field, you're right, and they'll figure it out.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
I know. Oh, I guess we do have an Edna mode.
And then it was the guy from she.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Hul Yeah, yeah you do. I overall, what would you
give this movie? Overall?

Speaker 2 (50:34):
But I'm so bad at this because I don't remember
what I gave Thunderbolts.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
I don't remember I gave Thunderbolts either, But I can
tell you I'm giving. I will give this movie. I
might get flamed a little bit. I'm gonna say it's weird.
I'm going to say about an eight out of ten
for this movie.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
For me, I was going to say eight out of ten.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
So we both kind of agree eight out of ten.
You know again, I think it's more of like personal.
I thought I was hoping for something just a little
bit more, and that's just me. Oh weird, But we
got a lot. This movie was still really good and
we're always going to get more and it's a building
block and we're kind of it felt good to be
in their own little universe for a change. So really
it's just me and my own personal thoughts and stupid

(51:11):
opinions that nobody really cares about so well.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
And I also feel like with MCU movies, we're so
quick to judge it based on one single movie when
there's no thing, as you know, one single thing, like
judging issue too, when there's ten.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Issues and like you know, without a doubt.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Pay off. They pay off. Man, It's like, look how
good shang Chi was. We wouldn't have gotten shang Chi
without the bs of the Mandarin before.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
We really had to be patient through what eight years,
nine years to get to endgame. So it's all about
patients and seeing how these stories play out. It's like
comic books and each issue once you're grabbing more. And
I left wanting more of the Fantastic Four. I really did.
I loved these characters. I loved how well they played,
and I really cannot wait to see them on screen again.
And obviously we'll have to wait till next December. In November,

(51:56):
we got Wonder Man coming out this year, and then
we the next MCU projects. We got the Punisher Special presentation.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Week, and we got more Daredevil next.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Year yep, and then we got you know, Daredevil Born
Against season two. They're actively filming the Punisher Special presentation
right now.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
There's been some host pictures everywhere.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
I know, I'm trying to avoid there. And then July
I think twenty sixth or something like that is a
brand new day for Spider Man, which they've already said
it's going to be more street level, and then December
is going to be Doomsday. So next year is you're
looking to be pretty solid for both Marvel and DC again.
And this kind of like ends our big summer blockbusters

(52:35):
because we had Jurassic Park if you want to count that,
but Superman and Fantastic for both being successful, really I
think does well for comic book and movie fans as
a whole and kind of revitalizes a lot of people
into this genre again. I think it shows that people
are still very much interested in these genre movies. We're
not comic, we're not superhero fatigued good movies, and they've

(52:59):
given us a good movie and that's all I kind
of have to do. You have any final thoughts before
we kind of wrap up our review.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
No, I think I covered it all. I think my
favorite part again was just Sue And I felt like,
you know, it's fun when you can watch something that's
so out there and so unrealistic and so sci fi
and still relate so much Twister. Yeah, character, and so
I just yeah, I loved Sue and you don't you
don't mess with a mom glack.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Yes, you really don't. And he was kind of funny
and everything too, and seeing behind scenes photos I do.
I did like Glactus. I liked all of this. I
hope Mafisto gets involved somehow with Silver Surfer and all
of that. No, I don't think this is the last
you ever see of her either. You can always find ways,
but and she's a silver surfer man. She can just
speedboat her way around. Glacus doesn't have a ship.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
But surfing they I thought that was really cool.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
How they not part of the body.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yeah, that was really cool.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
But yeah, it's a good movie. Great time to be
a movie fan. Let us know what you guys think,
if there's anything we missed or what you want to
add on to the discussion. And as always, we'll be
back next time. This week we're gonna drop our Supernatural
start of season twelve recap, so the first eight episodes
will be out later this week. We dropped our Jaws
The Revenge last week we dropped our Fantastic for comic
book deep Dives, so if you want some comic book knowledge,

(54:12):
go listen to that. And uh yeah, we're gonna be
moving into August and before you know it, a spooky season,
so it's coming along. Thank you guys all for hanging
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Speaker 2 (55:00):
M hmmmmm sick.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
I'm gonna send