July 25, 2025 • 33 mins
We sat down for this year's Shark Week spectacular to witness the film that built Sir Michael Caine's house. Is Ellen Brody out of her mind, or are the sharks out for revenge against her family? Is this the widow of a sane mind or will Hoagie put all of his gambling debts upon her? SO many questions, all starting with why was this movie made?
Cap off this years Shark Week with us as we dive into the deep fun facts and review this final entry into the beloved Jaws franchise,
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Happy Shark Week. Everybody. Welcome back to another episode of
hopskeek News. You're home for comic books, movies, TV shows,
and today we have a Jaws sized episode for you.
If you've been following us for the last few years,
we've been doing Jaws each Shark Week, which unfortunately means
for us, maybe happily for you. We have made it
to Jaws the Revenge, and don't worry if you didn't
(00:48):
watch it, you're not missing much. However, before we get there,
I am met with me as always is Lauren. And today,
like I said, it's Jaws Revenge. Go ahead, like, subscribe, share,
follow on hopskeek News. Any social media platform, any podcasting
platform makes sure you drop a review, whether it's Spotify, Apple,
whatever podcast platform you listen to, tell a friend, tell
your mom, and you know what, It's Shark Week and
(01:09):
this is actually Lauren's favorite week of the year. So Lauren,
why don't you start us off with what you're drinking
this fine beer on this fine, wonderful, calamitous day.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I'm drinking a beer that you gave me. It is
called Little trouble Maker. It is a juicy ipa from
Wiseman Brewing and I thought it was good because you know,
this shark is a little trouble maker, and also this
shark is the most ridiculous shark of all four Jaws
movies because it just looks like a freaking giant rubber shark.
And this is a goofy little looking monster as well.
(01:38):
So I thought it paired well together. And because it's
the fiftieth anniversary of the first Jaws, the og Jaws,
I have it, am my super sweet Joss. Oh yeah,
I got this at Universal because they're celebrating. It was
only an extra three dollars with the beer. It's plastic,
but it's like hard plastic. I freaking love it.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
It's a door man that's really good. Okay. I remember
you guys talking in the chat and Erica got one.
I didn't see that you did. So it's pretty dope.
And you know, it's it's kind of funny that they
shark so real quick. I know we're going to dive
in a second. But the fact that this movie they
were inspired by the first movie's less is more approach
with the shark, and then they didn't do less as
(02:16):
more in this movie. Yeah, so before we go into it,
I'm drinking a Walter's Blonde Roast Blonde Coffee porter made
with cacao nibs from Benchtop Brewing. I didn't really theme
it or grab it. I grabbed it because the can
kind of looks supernatural, which we're also going to be recording,
So there you go. I have at it. But yes,
Jaws four. This movie came out in nineteen eighty seven.
(02:37):
It was funny enough, originally marketed as this Time It's Personal,
and it completely ignores Jaws three, the Sea World movie,
and takes place immediately after Jaws two, which is why
it's not actually Jaws four. It's just Jaws Revenge. IMDb
has this rated as a three point one out of
ten into two percent on Rotten Tomatoes. Written by Peter Benchley,
(03:01):
who wrote the Jaws novel in Michael de Guzman, directed
by Joseph Sargent, stars Michael Caine, Lorraine Gary, who is
originally from the first Jaws. Lance guest Mario Van Peebles.
I love that last name. I don't know why. Peebles
is a fun name. Filmed in not only Martha's Vineyard,
but also the Universal Studios, Hollywood Lot and the Bahamas. Now,
(03:21):
this movie made fifty million on a twenty three million
dollar budget. It barely broke even. It was abysmal. It
was awful. It was terrible. And to kind of jump
into a fun fact before we kind of go into
the plot and everything like that. So the original script
is because it takes place right after Jaws two. Martin
Brody was to be the Shark's very first victim. However,
(03:43):
Roy Scheider declined to appear, and Sergeant reported that the
character of Brody had been dead for eighteen months. When
we enter the story and deal with Ellen Brody's emotional problem,
her obsession with the death of another member of her family.
For de Guzman, it's a story of obsession and fear.
Whether what Ellen Brody has in her mind is to
or not will be left up to the audience decide.
No statement is being made in that regard. But it's
(04:04):
about any kind of fear so great, so strong that
it begins to take control of human life. Yeah, no, geez,
I don't even not unpack that. So why don't you
go ahead break it down? What is the summary of
this beautifully done in film?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
So it's Christmas time and we got one brother, Sean Brody,
engaged being a cough just like his dad, and amity
close to his mom. The other Michael is down in
the Bahamas with his wife and daughter doing research on conks.
Sean goes on a work hall out on the water,
comes across a messed up bowie and ban Jaws attacks
while the town people are singing Noel. He's screaming for
his life. Michael and his family come up for the
funeral as soon as he arrives, and Mom starts going
(04:42):
on about how the shark waited and it came for them,
and she's also insistent that Michael no longer go in
the water. She insists her husband of fear because of jaws,
and Michael then tells her there's no great whites where
he lives because it's warm. Cough, cough, that's bs. That's
not true at all. There are great whites, they're not
as common down there, but they are eat whites. There's
great whites in Florida. We know that now. Back then
(05:03):
it was you know, everybody has cameras now, so now
you can prove it. Like my grandmother assistant she saw
a great white and the keys, and my grandfather said
she was crazy. And then years later, I was like, ah,
was she crazy? Because now we have Catherine pinging all
over Florida and he still was wanted to stick to
his claims. But you know that great whites do sometimes
show up the warm water. So Grandma goes down to
the Bahamas to spend some time with her other son
(05:24):
and his family, where Michael does conk research as Ellen.
Which is funny because we were recently in the Bahamas
and we did a tour and the guy kept telling
us that all the guys should eat conk, and that
if they do eat conk that their wives will be
very happy. Apparently it's a bit of oh is it
not just an aphrodisiac? But I guess it does a
little more to a you know, get it going.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I didn't hear this on my snorkeling tour in the Bahamas.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
What the hell, man, I can let you know which
one we did. He just kept going on about it.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
It was really funny.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Okay, So if you go down to the Bahamas and
you want to improve some aspects of your life. So
as Ellen bonds with Michael Kaine's character, Michael Brodie is
out researching on the ocean when Jaws does show up
a much crappier version of the Jaws seventies. It looks
forebber like we mentioned before, but Michael starts to believe
her crazy shark stopper theory. However, he chooses not to
tell his mom, who suddenly tells him she's moving past
(06:17):
her crazy shark Well, Michael continues to keep the shark
a secret. His business partner decides he wants to shift
some of their grant money to researching this lone great
white in the warm water to the Bahamas. Michael finally agrees,
as they're both working on their PhD and hoping this
will help, and they manage to get to tag her
so they can actually track her. So that's good. Whenever
she gets finally you know see and hear her heartbeat
instead of dun nut, they you know, hear beet.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
We hear beep beep beep.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
It's not as Yeah, it's not as fun.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, it doesn't draw out any tension at all. There's
no boo boom boom boom, and then shoddy camera work.
They're still very shoddy camera work, but unfortunately it is
the music to a company.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
So another day they're back to researching conks. When Jaws
attacks Michael in the water, he manages to get to
a sunken ship while his little vessel he was in
floats to the surface. He then rigs his oxygen tank
to shoot him off to the surface as fast as
possible as apparently he's trying to dive from the bends
rather than dying.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah. It's actually I'm glad you brought this up because
when I'm watching this scene, I'm sitting there like, dude,
you can't do that. You're gonna freaking kill yourself because
the pressure and everything.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I actually googled, I'm like, how deep can you be
to get the bends? You only have to be thirty
feet deep and have.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
To go deep deep. Feel like he was pretty deep.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah. Yeah, he didn't go to a Benz tank or
anything like that.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
They were just he just shoots right to the surface
as fast as possible. It was definitely yes.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, So he's one lucky guy. So he survives, and
next day Jake says, let's not go back in, but
Michael wants to. He admits he's scared, but he says,
I can't not go back into the water, which I
actually get that a little bit. Like he grew up
in the water. He loves the ocean, like, can'tsue him
and consume him. He's still assuming this is not a
supernatural shark. So while Michael's in the water, the shark
goes after his daughter while she's on a banana boat
(07:55):
float while his wife is having her sculpture debut. Dia
ends up being okay, but another girl is killed. Grandma
Ellen Brody is ready to get even she's done, she
goes and takes the boat, which I thought he was
out at sea on. I felt like there was a
little inconsistency.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Okay, yes, I agree, and she is something in this movie.
Oh my gosh, she is quite She's out here. First
of all, Michael Kaine's over here, like I quite like
to kiss you, and you know, so she's over here
schmoozing with Michael Kaine's character, who, first of all, probably
not a very.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
First time she's dated in decades.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, okay, yeah, you're right, but I thought anyways, and
then not to mention, I feel like Michael Kaine's not
the best pilot, esventially because he got a shark crash
his plane. Dude, no, he landed.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
On the water. Tailspin style. Yeah, you didn't hear it?
Who when he landed?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Oh my gosh, I was out, Yes, all right.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
So Michael and Jake then grab a dinghy and they
head out after mom until they see Michael Kine who's Hogy,
and he takes him on his plane and the air.
Hogy tells him that his mom said the shark was
coming for her and ja Jake says, our shark. Ellen
Birdie spots the shark and says, and get me you
son of a bitch. She said, have said son of a.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Fish, but that sounds familiar, right.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Then Hogy sponsor as a shark comes out of the water.
Hogy lands the plane next to the boat. Michael and
Jake swim to the boat, and the shark goes for Hogy.
Rest in peace, Hogy, just kidding. Hogy's safe, okay, Chris
to put an explosive into Jaws. Jaws takes Jake as
the mother starts seeing flashes from past attack. She then
rams a shark Prince Eric's style into Ursula and it
explodes and everyone falls into the water and Jake resurfaces.
(09:26):
Then Helen Ellen flies back to Amity Island.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
At the end, ridiculous, ridiculous. My dude was carried away
by this shark. And then it's funny because when he
comes back up, of course they talk. I thought you
were dead, and there's no blood in the water at
all at this zero, there's no blood coming from him.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Well there's blood on him, but yeah, he was like.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I woulde bleeding out and be dead. Because they were
in no rush to get that man to any sort
of medical attention.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Michael Caine had already called and said, you need to
get some boats out here and some planes out here immediately.
So he had already called. We just didn't see that
rescue happen. So I'm assuming that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, I do, okay, I do like HOI he was
one of my you know, he's Jamaican, he's he's got
the vibes like, yeah here, I'm sorry, you're right, you're
right here.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Oh he's Alfred.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, I'm sorry. It was it was hard watching this.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Jake was my favorite part of the whole movie.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
My bad. Yes, Jake was awesome. He's out there vibing
the whole movie. He's upbeat, spirits, good and everything. I
never remembered watching this movie and so everything was kind
of new to me because I must have just blinked
this movie out, but I don't think it was ever
really on TV. Do you where did you first ever
watch this movie?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I a hundred percent watched this movie more than once
growing up. But for some reason, despite the fact that
I've never been to Hawaii and I've been to the
Bahamas more times than I can count, I was one
hundred percent certain this movie took place in Hawaii. I
have no idea what that's okay.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I was over here thinking it was like jos Too
and filmed in Florida, but they were at the Bahamas.
And first of all, we all they weren't passing that
as Martha's vineyard at all, with how clear that water was,
and uh, yeah vineyard when he was in when she yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
The opening scene that looked like it looked like you
were at Universal, Yes, And then when I pulled up
where it was filmed, I was like, that's gotta that
part had to have been Universal.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Well.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
It's kind of funny because in that opening scene, you know,
he gets his arm kind of bitten off there and
he's in the boat, and then of course he gets
eaten up. But it was just hilarious how that was
because he didn't he didn't even seem like his arm
he noticed his arm was bitten off because it's all
torn up, and he's just in the boat like, oh,
thank god. And then he looks he's like ah.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
And then from there you have the adrenaline pumping. Like
we watched we were watching Shark Week last night and
like all three episodes where Paul de Gelder, do you
know who that guy is, the one that he lost
his right arm and his right leg to a bull
shark when he was in the navy.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Oh wow, he was.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Swimming in the Sydney Harbor doing laps and a bull
shark got him. And now he's that happened in two
thousand and nine, and now he's a huge shark advocate,
and he did a thing last night that was like
how to survive a shark attack, and they put prosthetics
on him and they were letting the sharks like eat it.
It was all non toxic and stuff. But I forgot.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
My point was, Oh, because the adrenaline and everything like
that was pumping.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yes, So when he talked about like how it happens,
it's like you don't seem to feel the pain right
away because of what But he looked like like freaking
Georgie from it like he did.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
He was in that rubber yellow raincoat. Yes, and who's
out there in the dark like that too? Is the
other thing. It's so ridiculous. I know, you've got some
you know booy all that other stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Going somewhere because kids were tipping cows or something, and
then he saw the booie was messed up again.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Call the coastguard. I don't know. There's just a lot
of interestingness in this film. But yeah, I don't remember
watching this film honestly as a kid very much. I don't.
And then of course it's funny because I had tried
to show my actual kids Jaws one and they could
not have cared less. And yet I put this one
on yesterday and the kids were sucked into this movie.
(12:49):
The whole family was watching Jaws Revenge. Couldn't get him
to watch Jaws One, No, they wanted to sit there
and they were posted up for Jaws the Revenge, like
it was a cinematic masterpiece. That is just what because
when the shark they rammed in there, there was so
many questions like did the shark blow up? I'm like, yes,
we also blew up a shark in the first one. Guys,
I tried to get you to watch this stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
What is wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah? No, you know you've seen it a bunch. How
what are some highlights for you? Are there any highlights
A bunch?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Don't judge me.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I'm judging pretty hard. You said you grew up with this,
this was your favorite film growing up. You watched it
on a laser disc over and a.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Laser dis Do you remember those? I only think I
ever watched any of those at school. Yeah, my favorite
thing growing up was just the snorkeling and the water
or the scuba diving and whatnot. Because you know, it
is pretty although watching it now and like watching Michael
like use the coral to like swim away, and I'm
(13:50):
like that's bullshit, Like yes, you should not, like if
it was a real life Snara and you're truly trying
to hide for your life, Like fine, I get it
if you're gonna kill some coral, but like you're filming
a movie and you're touching all this like coral, Like
that's not cool.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
They're over there, like you know, that was a bunch
of takes and everything. Yeah, they were Yeah, that was
met not pretty kind to the coral reefs down there
in the Bahamas. And I mean there's a reason why
you see it now the Bahamas. I mean, the reefs
aren't really protecting. There's a lot of erosion happening. For instance,
on Disney's Lighthouse, their new island, where the cabanas are.
The erosion is so bad that pretty much when you
(14:24):
there's like a drop off on the stairs the well,
it's like it's come up. It's not you know, you
don't walk from the stairs onto like a nice beach.
It's just a cut like someone chopped it down and
sand because the erosion has gotten so bad and I
don't know how they're going to fix it necessarily, but.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
There's like stairs to get into the shoot.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
So like there's the cabanas on the Lighthouse k that
are right on the ocean, so you can rent the
cabanas for families and then usually that means the way
the stairs go, it would go down onto the beach
and so you can just sit on the beach. Well,
the erosion has gotten so bad that the water basically
is up to the stairs, and like the first step
or two is now hanging off off above like water
almost at lighthouse. K. Yeah, it's Brandon Island.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I want to he intentionally designed it in some way
because of flooding or something. I don't think everything in
South Florida now is getting built higher up than it
needs to be.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
That's you see erosion everywhere, but that's we're not here
to talk erosion. We talk beautiful and yeah, wonderful.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
As an adult rewatching this, my favorite parts were Jake's lines.
For one, that Michael and his wife are a very lovely,
horny couple. And I like when Jake guys Michael the
shirt for It's like it's a complicated shirt for Christmas,
and he says, may your sex life be as busy
as your shirt.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I thought that was funny.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yes, and then he's like, why was the shark only
going after you? Maybe he likes white meat? Again, that
was really funny. So yeah, Jake made this movie worthwhile.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I have to think Jake left this lot and went
and made Cool Runnings right after.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
The same guy.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
I know, but in my head it's like that dude
should go and quit water. He got attacked by a shark.
So to him, he's probably like, screw this, I'm never
going back in the water. He went and he joined
the bob sledding team because then he'd be as far
away from sharks as humanly possible.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
The team there's sharks in the cold Arctic.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Not on a bob sled trail for the Olympics though.
But I will say that I do really enjoy not
only Jake, but there's that sequence where the kids, you know,
they're all out there on the beach and the kids
are all on that banana boat thing that raft, I guess,
and they're just bouncing up and down. It was the
most ridiculous and then just the shark casually comes out
(16:36):
and eats that one lady and it was so bad.
It was hilarious. But everybody they do the slow zoom in,
so everybody's starting, they're doing their whole thing. They slowly
pan in to the look of horror on the mom's
face and then the other lady's face. They don't yell,
they're just like.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
This human going for like Brody in the first movie,
like that iconic shot.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I think that's exactly what they were.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Doing when you know, because I listened to the then
announced Supernatural podcasts, and they do a lot of behind
the scenes, like the directors come on in film editors
and all these people, and there was a specific episode
they're like, yeah, we it's called like a specific something
where they do that, and they're doing the Jaws shot
the close up on Brodie's it was like, oh, that's
kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Well that's exactly what they were trying to do there
with the mom and then the other lady. For sure,
it didn't have the same effect. That's when Brodie's on
the beach and Broddy shocked.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I guess, well, and it wasn't his kin in the water.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It was.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
There.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
It would have been his grandson, wouldn't it.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
We know, I mean in the original Jaws. Oh right,
So it was like he was like shocked, but like
he didn't have like a duty to go out and
risk his I guess. Oh, but like the mom and
the grandma both stopped running into the ocean. They just stopped.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
They completely stopped. And it was hilarious because they didn't
care that much for the kid. Then, I guess because
the shark, Oh my god. And then it's funny because
then you see the shark slowly swimming away with the
body still hanging out of his mouth. Just haha. But
it's so slow motion ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, yeah, it would sink too, Like I've never seen
a shark In all the Shark weeks I've watched, I've
never seen a shark just say no, they go, they
glide down, they swim down.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Or the fact that I love a couple of the
shots where they have the shark doing things. It's almost
like a Madonna music video or something where they tried
to like shake the camera and make the swirly, so
it's the shark's doing all this thrashing and whatever else,
and it's just so bad. The camera work is so
awful in some of those sequences where the shark is
(18:31):
doing some of those, like the way they tried to
do it, and then they over showed the shark for
a team that was inspired by they do more with less,
show more is less or show less is more. They
show this damn rubber shark way too much. It makes
you laugh instead of be terrified like the first Jaws
necessarily would have. It just made me laugh and my daughter,
(18:53):
you know, Harper's like, why are you laughing? She's getting killed.
I'm sitting there because the shark is ridiculous. How awful
this shark is terrible.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, they didn't use any actual shark footage either, which
they did in the original jobs. So even like underwater,
when it's not even attacking anything, it just looksicular.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, they used real shark for Yeah, this is such.
This is the last Jaws movie that they made, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, because they Okay, this is the reason done here. Yeah,
I mean they've done a million, you know, things that
aren't actually Jaws but called Jaws, like Santa Jaws.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Oh god, I mean you've got the meg You've got
Santa Jaw, Sharknato, I.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Mean, supply of a future with Sharknado.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
It was because we had Thunder Levin, who was the
writer for Sharknado. Actually, so maybe we have to pick
back up in the franchise after this because Wolf. So yeah, no,
this movie was This production all around was something. And
let's let's dive into fun fact. So why don't you
kick us off with some fun facts about the production
of this movie.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
So Michael Caine said, quote, won an oscar, built a
and had a great holiday. Not bad for a flat
movie end quote. So he was paid one point five
million dollars for seven days of work in the Bahamas,
and his schedule was so tight that the producers were
unable to spare him so he could attend the Academy Awards,
and then he went on to win Best Actor in
Sporting Role Oscar for Hannah and Her Sisters, not for
(20:17):
Jows four. However, he's never actually sat down to watch
the movie, but he says he.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Sees that I was gonna say yes.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Regularly that the movie paid for.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I was gonna say he said. The were like, have
you ever seen the movie? And He's like, no, but
I've seen the house it paid for. Not such a
flex because, I mean, if I was an actor realistically,
you know, who knows when your next job is going
to be. Who knows when you're gonna eventually be flamed
out or whatnot. So I take a movie like Jows
four if they're going to pay me a lot of money,
(20:48):
especially at the time, one point five in nineteen eighty
seven is a pretty good sum of money. Now, granted
Michael Kaine has done it just incredible movies. I mean,
the dude was Alfred.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
In backmanck Geniality.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
You know that's Kerrie. When I was like, it'ss Alfred,
she was like, no, I know him from his King Geniality.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I was like, all right, we knew him and that
before we knew him as Alfred.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
He's in every single Christopher Nolan film pretty much. But yes,
you did know him. Yeah, because mister King Genialudi is
before thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So yeah. What's interesting though, is how many people have
turned down being in these movies when Jaws is such
a staple in our country and like, like it's it's
such an American cliche, like four film, Yeah, it's July
fourth film. It did amazing things for the horror industry,
did terrible things for Shark, which we're still recovering from,
but at least we have learned our lesson with that.
(21:35):
Like Peter Benchley was even like, maybe I shouldn't have
written Jaws because people got scared and started killing shark.
But I feel like Shark Week is doing a great
job of educating people like sharks are not the enemy.
But you would think that people would be like like, yeah, sure,
I want to do this just so I can be
part of the Jaws world. Like yeah, or Star Wars
like what you have? Yeah, a stormtrooper just because they
want to be part of it. And here everybody's like yeah, no, thanks.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I'm good, thank you. Well. I mean, you know, Roy
Scheider absolutely hated filming Jaws one. He only did Jaws
two because he was contractually obligated and it got him
out of his other film obligations with them, So I mean,
I get it. Funny enough, though, go ahead, now you
can take it. I was gonna say, this is actually
Lorraine Gary, you know l Brody's last acting credit. She
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came out of retirement for this one, and then it
sent her right back into retirement coming out of retirement.
I'm doing it. I'm doing Jaws Revenge. Ah, Nope, going
right back.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
They needed at least one familiar face. Man.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
She got paid, man, all right, no hate there.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
First she said no, and they came back and offered
her more money, which is like good, they should. If
they're gonna pay Michael Kin, who's not part of the
franchise one point five million, like.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Pay her, I mean yeah, especially because she's the continuity
between one and two and this one.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, was in the third one.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I don't know if she no, she was, and she
was in Jaws one and two. They completely pretend the
third one doesn't exist. And I can't say I blamed them,
but I think the third one had a lot more
redeeming qualities in this movie.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I think I just liked that it was a SeaWorld
and I thought that was funny. I don't know because
the third one, to remember that was a three D
one where the.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
There was that scene in this one where the eel
jumps out and carry goes, oh is this meant for
three D? And I go no. I just think this
was just a terrible scare.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And like morey, eels are never like like that. They're
always hiding.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
They're hidden in like the dark orle in the cave. Yeah,
oh my gosh. All right, let's continue with fun facts.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
This one's a sad one. So Judith Barciy, who played
the little Girl Thea. This was her last movie before
she actually passed away at the age of ten just
a year after this. The only reason I included this
was because Lance Guest, who played her on screen father
Mike Brody, actually served as a pall bearer at her funeral,
So I thought that that was pretty sweet. And cute,
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and obviously he must have created a bond with the
kid while filming. Oh yeah, I felt it was worth
sharing solely because of that. But yeah, that's tragic. I
wonder what her parents think of the movie. I wonder
if they can like pull it up and see the
sweet parts of the film, or if it's traumatic for
them to watch.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
That's a good point. Yeah, I as a parent, it's
I guess it's one of those double sided things, right,
because as a parent, you'd want to watch, Oh, that's
my kid and have memories of that, but also it's
sad because that's my kid, you know, ten years old.
It's ridiculous. But Dennis Quaid was asked to come back
as Mike Brody. He also turned this down. At this point,
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Dennis Quid was doing bigger and better things. I guess
I don't really know what it was back in nineteen
eighty seven, but he was too good for your Jaws Revenge.
I can tell you that.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Much good for Jaws. Maybe he'll only do it if
it was at Steaworld.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Again, I don't want to travel to the Bahamas. That's
another thing, is some of these you get to go
on vacation right. You know they're filming in the Bahamas
for example, Like some of these are vacations.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, but have you heard some of the stuff with
white lotus in Thailand. Oh, we'll turn out like getting sick.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
That's yeah, that's a different thing because the filming is
so long. For white Lotus, this movie was filmed in
just nine months. So uh so. Actually this film was
made in less than nine months, with production commencing in
September of nineteen eighty six so that the film could
be released the following summer. The film was shot on
location in New England and in the Bahamas, and completed
on the Universal Lot. As with the first two films,
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Martha's Vineyard was the location of the fictional Amity Island
for the opening scenes. Delays caused by the mechanical shark
and the weather led to concerns about whether the release
date would be met. Many critics actually suggested that the
rushed production compromised the quality of the film. The film
was marketed with the now infidens tagline like I said
this ton you make it sound like an action movie.
It's like Terminator or two. This toime, it's personal. I'll
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be back, signed Jaws, you killed my father, prepared to die.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I also think it's interesting too, because like Shark Nado,
it's like they lean into the campiness. So it was like,
you know, it's absurd even in that, but the actors
take the absurdities seriously. I don't know why this falls
or misses the.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Mark so well, because they Jaws was a serious film,
you know what I was. And I guess when you're
filming in the Jaws universe, you want to play it
as a straight serious film. But I feel like at
this point we're so far removed from the seriousness that
was Jaws that you almost need to lean into the campiness.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I suppose did you mention the Golden Raspberry ward Dennis
Quaid's career. Okay, So Bruce did, all right? His name
is not actually Bruce. Bruce is the first one the
o G shark.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Dare you stand where he stood? This? Well?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I also didn't see class first, so I feel like
it must be a girl. The rubber shark was and
I tried to look. I'm like trying to look underneath
the shark. Is it a boy? Is it a girl? Okay?
So was nominated for a Golden Raspberry Award for Worst
Actor in this movie. That's making him the first animal
nominated for one since Jaws three d's Shrieking Dolphins, Cindy
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and Sandy.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Okay, come on, man, the dolphins saved the day in
Jaws three D.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Ok, Jaws to dolphins or that's whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Wow, they weren't great, but I mean they saved the
day and they served a purpose. But this rubber shark
served a zero purpose.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Do you want to know our thoughts on sharks? Sharks
on Jaws three D. We did do our sharks on
it last.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Year every summer. Yeah, yeah, oh god. Yeah. This was
the first of the Jaws films not to be the
first in the box office that weekend, Robocot beat it out.
Funny enough, and the nineteen thirties Disney snow White cartoon
re release. Imagine, we're going to re release snow White
and it's gonna beat out your Jaws film. Tell that
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to the Jaws when it first came out. Tell that
to them and see how that goes over, because that's insane, insanity.
But I can't say that I blame him. I mean,
I don't care for snow White, but uh, you know,
I would probably see that over Jows.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I don't know. I probably watched Jaws Forever snow White, but.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Okay, actually to be Jaws The Revenge. Though, I do
feel it's a good film because I love baddies. You know,
we all know that.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
And no point was I like, oh my god, I
have to stop watching this. But I was laughing when
I wasn't supposed to be laughing.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
It wasn't a slog to get through like some of
the movies we've watched on this, you know. And I
will say that I found it comedic. I love bad movies. Again,
it's not a movie I'm going to search out and
watch on the rig. But in terms of enjoyment, if
you just if you want to, like just drink a
beer and or just you're in a crappy movie game, yeah,
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or if you're just in a crappy mood and you
need something to cheer you up. I do recommend movies
like this because they're so ridiculous you cannot help but laugh.
It's just so. And then a young Michael Kaine is
still suave. The guy was out there, suave, handsome and uh.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
The gambling problem.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
He's got a gambling he has a lot of issues,
all right, but that doesn't.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
It's not even his plane. It was his employer's plane.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Listen. That just has nothing to do with him being
suave and handsome and pulling Martin Brodie's widowed wife. Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I did like when Mike got like concerned about him
with his mom and he's like, well, he's asking Jake like, well,
what do you know about this guy? When did he arrive?
Because so many people fly into the Bahamas with drugs?
Did you know way K was used to be That's
Disney's first private island. That used to be a place
where they would spunckle drugs. I forget what you know?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
It's still not maybe the mouse is in the drug
game now.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
There's still a pathway that's so you run the five
K on it or and it's a it's an airline, okay.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
And I think I want to try to run the
five K maybe while like the families at the beat, not.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
A great five K. I'm not gonna lie. A lot
of it is just like in the Sun and on.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Page do they because they do the runs, that's right,
they do like the actual you get like metals and stuff.
So they'll sometimes do like yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
And the metals adorable. It's a little rebel metal. Oh
it's called Gorda Gorda k or Gorda Key. It's actually key.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
But we all say, you have just sign up for
those run Do they do them every time they go
to that island? Yeah, oh they do.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
And they used to have it like you did. They
would just do it in the morning, but now I
think you can run it at any point in the day.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
And then how do you like sign up?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
And I think just go to guest services when you
get on the Mickey boat. I haven't done it years.
I've only don't want to.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Oh, I'm guess I'm going to do it December.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Although I almost wanted to do it last time because
then I saw it. They have a new metal and
the metal is really cute.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Oh well, like I said, I guess I'm doing it
in December, so I'll let you know, all right. Final
thoughts on Christmas Ornament, Jaws The Revenge do we have
final thoughts? My final thought is it deserves the two
percent of Rotten Tomatoes. This movie is probably about a
one star out of five for me. Not great, but
uh listen, okay, not everything's five stars, all right, Not
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everything is fast and furious to me?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Okay, A yeah, yeah, I'd rather watch this than Fast
and Furious.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Are you No, that's because Josh bullied you into feelings
you can't enjoy fast and furious. That is true, that's
that's terrible.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
But also I love anything that I get to see
the ocean into you can.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
See of ocean fast and furious.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I don't know. I mean again, I didn't hate it.
It was really bad, but I didn't hate it. I
don't know. Maybe I feel like a two point five
is generous. It's too good.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Two point two that's even weirder. Okay, I'm not even
I'm not even doing the math on this one. Just
know we thought it was not great.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
And if you were to listening watching and this is
going on my list of movies that aren't Christmas movies
that should be Christmas movies.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Oh that's a good one. When we do that, when
get into Christmas mode here in a few months. Yeah,
that's a good point, because I do forget that this
is around Christmas. Yeah, okay, we don't need to talk
about I would rather watch this than Iron Man three.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I said its I'd rather watch iron Man three qualities. No,
it's I it's because they messed up the Mandarin, which
is why people hate it.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
But they loathe loathe Iron Man three for reasons, which
we will need to do like an mcu rewatch thing
to throw up on Patreon, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
That'll be super fat and mc rewatch.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
We don't have to go through it fast, okay, but.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
We're going to be eighty when we've finished.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Till we're ninety. We're doing this till we're ninety. Yeah,
So I'm just saying, just saying, Okay, we have anyways.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Agents of Shields, Cloak and Dagger run Away.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
You're the one that's adding starter than God Humans. Everybody
go to go like subscribe share If you want to
listen to more Jaws content, go back to our last
year's episodes. Maybe if I find them and feel over zealous,
I will add them in the show notes. Who knows,
we'll see. Okay, I'm not the most perfect person ever,
but I try and fantastic fours out you go see it. Spoilers,
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go watch however, Shark Week, Go pet a Shark, Go
donate to you Shark.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Don't do that, man, I.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Would love to pet a bear. Can I pet a bear?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I don't care. If a bear, don't put a bear.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
God. Bears are big, just puppies. Thanks for hanging out.
Cheers everybody,
Happy Shark Week. Everybody. Welcome back to another episode of
hopskeek News. You're home for comic books, movies, TV shows,
and today we have a Jaws sized episode for you.
If you've been following us for the last few years,
we've been doing Jaws each Shark Week, which unfortunately means
for us, maybe happily for you. We have made it
to Jaws the Revenge, and don't worry if you didn't
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watch it, you're not missing much. However, before we get there,
I am met with me as always is Lauren. And today,
like I said, it's Jaws Revenge. Go ahead, like, subscribe, share,
follow on hopskeek News. Any social media platform, any podcasting
platform makes sure you drop a review, whether it's Spotify, Apple,
whatever podcast platform you listen to, tell a friend, tell
your mom, and you know what, It's Shark Week and
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this is actually Lauren's favorite week of the year. So Lauren,
why don't you start us off with what you're drinking
this fine beer on this fine, wonderful, calamitous day.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I'm drinking a beer that you gave me. It is
called Little trouble Maker. It is a juicy ipa from
Wiseman Brewing and I thought it was good because you know,
this shark is a little trouble maker, and also this
shark is the most ridiculous shark of all four Jaws
movies because it just looks like a freaking giant rubber shark.
And this is a goofy little looking monster as well.
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So I thought it paired well together. And because it's
the fiftieth anniversary of the first Jaws, the og Jaws,
I have it, am my super sweet Joss. Oh yeah,
I got this at Universal because they're celebrating. It was
only an extra three dollars with the beer. It's plastic,
but it's like hard plastic. I freaking love it.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
It's a door man that's really good. Okay. I remember
you guys talking in the chat and Erica got one.
I didn't see that you did. So it's pretty dope.
And you know, it's it's kind of funny that they
shark so real quick. I know we're going to dive
in a second. But the fact that this movie they
were inspired by the first movie's less is more approach
with the shark, and then they didn't do less as
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more in this movie. Yeah, so before we go into it,
I'm drinking a Walter's Blonde Roast Blonde Coffee porter made
with cacao nibs from Benchtop Brewing. I didn't really theme
it or grab it. I grabbed it because the can
kind of looks supernatural, which we're also going to be recording,
So there you go. I have at it. But yes,
Jaws four. This movie came out in nineteen eighty seven.
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It was funny enough, originally marketed as this Time It's Personal,
and it completely ignores Jaws three, the Sea World movie,
and takes place immediately after Jaws two, which is why
it's not actually Jaws four. It's just Jaws Revenge. IMDb
has this rated as a three point one out of
ten into two percent on Rotten Tomatoes. Written by Peter Benchley,
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who wrote the Jaws novel in Michael de Guzman, directed
by Joseph Sargent, stars Michael Caine, Lorraine Gary, who is
originally from the first Jaws. Lance guest Mario Van Peebles.
I love that last name. I don't know why. Peebles
is a fun name. Filmed in not only Martha's Vineyard,
but also the Universal Studios, Hollywood Lot and the Bahamas. Now,
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this movie made fifty million on a twenty three million
dollar budget. It barely broke even. It was abysmal. It
was awful. It was terrible. And to kind of jump
into a fun fact before we kind of go into
the plot and everything like that. So the original script
is because it takes place right after Jaws two. Martin
Brody was to be the Shark's very first victim. However,
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Roy Scheider declined to appear, and Sergeant reported that the
character of Brody had been dead for eighteen months. When
we enter the story and deal with Ellen Brody's emotional problem,
her obsession with the death of another member of her family.
For de Guzman, it's a story of obsession and fear.
Whether what Ellen Brody has in her mind is to
or not will be left up to the audience decide.
No statement is being made in that regard. But it's
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about any kind of fear so great, so strong that
it begins to take control of human life. Yeah, no, geez,
I don't even not unpack that. So why don't you
go ahead break it down? What is the summary of
this beautifully done in film?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
So it's Christmas time and we got one brother, Sean Brody,
engaged being a cough just like his dad, and amity
close to his mom. The other Michael is down in
the Bahamas with his wife and daughter doing research on conks.
Sean goes on a work hall out on the water,
comes across a messed up bowie and ban Jaws attacks
while the town people are singing Noel. He's screaming for
his life. Michael and his family come up for the
funeral as soon as he arrives, and Mom starts going
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on about how the shark waited and it came for them,
and she's also insistent that Michael no longer go in
the water. She insists her husband of fear because of jaws,
and Michael then tells her there's no great whites where
he lives because it's warm. Cough, cough, that's bs. That's
not true at all. There are great whites, they're not
as common down there, but they are eat whites. There's
great whites in Florida. We know that now. Back then
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it was you know, everybody has cameras now, so now
you can prove it. Like my grandmother assistant she saw
a great white and the keys, and my grandfather said
she was crazy. And then years later, I was like, ah,
was she crazy? Because now we have Catherine pinging all
over Florida and he still was wanted to stick to
his claims. But you know that great whites do sometimes
show up the warm water. So Grandma goes down to
the Bahamas to spend some time with her other son
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and his family, where Michael does conk research as Ellen.
Which is funny because we were recently in the Bahamas
and we did a tour and the guy kept telling
us that all the guys should eat conk, and that
if they do eat conk that their wives will be
very happy. Apparently it's a bit of oh is it
not just an aphrodisiac? But I guess it does a
little more to a you know, get it going.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I didn't hear this on my snorkeling tour in the Bahamas.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
What the hell, man, I can let you know which
one we did. He just kept going on about it.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
It was really funny.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Okay, So if you go down to the Bahamas and
you want to improve some aspects of your life. So
as Ellen bonds with Michael Kaine's character, Michael Brodie is
out researching on the ocean when Jaws does show up
a much crappier version of the Jaws seventies. It looks
forebber like we mentioned before, but Michael starts to believe
her crazy shark stopper theory. However, he chooses not to
tell his mom, who suddenly tells him she's moving past
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her crazy shark Well, Michael continues to keep the shark
a secret. His business partner decides he wants to shift
some of their grant money to researching this lone great
white in the warm water to the Bahamas. Michael finally agrees,
as they're both working on their PhD and hoping this
will help, and they manage to get to tag her
so they can actually track her. So that's good. Whenever
she gets finally you know see and hear her heartbeat
instead of dun nut, they you know, hear beet.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
We hear beep beep beep.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
It's not as Yeah, it's not as fun.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, it doesn't draw out any tension at all. There's
no boo boom boom boom, and then shoddy camera work.
They're still very shoddy camera work, but unfortunately it is
the music to a company.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
So another day they're back to researching conks. When Jaws
attacks Michael in the water, he manages to get to
a sunken ship while his little vessel he was in
floats to the surface. He then rigs his oxygen tank
to shoot him off to the surface as fast as
possible as apparently he's trying to dive from the bends
rather than dying.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah. It's actually I'm glad you brought this up because
when I'm watching this scene, I'm sitting there like, dude,
you can't do that. You're gonna freaking kill yourself because
the pressure and everything.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I actually googled, I'm like, how deep can you be
to get the bends? You only have to be thirty
feet deep and have.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
To go deep deep. Feel like he was pretty deep.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah. Yeah, he didn't go to a Benz tank or
anything like that.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
They were just he just shoots right to the surface
as fast as possible. It was definitely yes.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, So he's one lucky guy. So he survives, and
next day Jake says, let's not go back in, but
Michael wants to. He admits he's scared, but he says,
I can't not go back into the water, which I
actually get that a little bit. Like he grew up
in the water. He loves the ocean, like, can'tsue him
and consume him. He's still assuming this is not a
supernatural shark. So while Michael's in the water, the shark
goes after his daughter while she's on a banana boat
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float while his wife is having her sculpture debut. Dia
ends up being okay, but another girl is killed. Grandma
Ellen Brody is ready to get even she's done, she
goes and takes the boat, which I thought he was
out at sea on. I felt like there was a
little inconsistency.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Okay, yes, I agree, and she is something in this movie.
Oh my gosh, she is quite She's out here. First
of all, Michael Kaine's over here, like I quite like
to kiss you, and you know, so she's over here
schmoozing with Michael Kaine's character, who, first of all, probably
not a very.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
First time she's dated in decades.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, okay, yeah, you're right, but I thought anyways, and
then not to mention, I feel like Michael Kaine's not
the best pilot, esventially because he got a shark crash
his plane. Dude, no, he landed.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
On the water. Tailspin style. Yeah, you didn't hear it?
Who when he landed?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Oh my gosh, I was out, Yes, all right.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
So Michael and Jake then grab a dinghy and they
head out after mom until they see Michael Kine who's Hogy,
and he takes him on his plane and the air.
Hogy tells him that his mom said the shark was
coming for her and ja Jake says, our shark. Ellen
Birdie spots the shark and says, and get me you
son of a bitch. She said, have said son of a.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Fish, but that sounds familiar, right.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Then Hogy sponsor as a shark comes out of the water.
Hogy lands the plane next to the boat. Michael and
Jake swim to the boat, and the shark goes for Hogy.
Rest in peace, Hogy, just kidding. Hogy's safe, okay, Chris
to put an explosive into Jaws. Jaws takes Jake as
the mother starts seeing flashes from past attack. She then
rams a shark Prince Eric's style into Ursula and it
explodes and everyone falls into the water and Jake resurfaces.
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Then Helen Ellen flies back to Amity Island.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
At the end, ridiculous, ridiculous. My dude was carried away
by this shark. And then it's funny because when he
comes back up, of course they talk. I thought you
were dead, and there's no blood in the water at
all at this zero, there's no blood coming from him.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Well there's blood on him, but yeah, he was like.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I woulde bleeding out and be dead. Because they were
in no rush to get that man to any sort
of medical attention.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Michael Caine had already called and said, you need to
get some boats out here and some planes out here immediately.
So he had already called. We just didn't see that
rescue happen. So I'm assuming that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, I do, okay, I do like HOI he was
one of my you know, he's Jamaican, he's he's got
the vibes like, yeah here, I'm sorry, you're right, you're
right here.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Oh he's Alfred.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, I'm sorry. It was it was hard watching this.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Jake was my favorite part of the whole movie.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
My bad. Yes, Jake was awesome. He's out there vibing
the whole movie. He's upbeat, spirits, good and everything. I
never remembered watching this movie and so everything was kind
of new to me because I must have just blinked
this movie out, but I don't think it was ever
really on TV. Do you where did you first ever
watch this movie?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I a hundred percent watched this movie more than once
growing up. But for some reason, despite the fact that
I've never been to Hawaii and I've been to the
Bahamas more times than I can count, I was one
hundred percent certain this movie took place in Hawaii. I
have no idea what that's okay.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I was over here thinking it was like jos Too
and filmed in Florida, but they were at the Bahamas.
And first of all, we all they weren't passing that
as Martha's vineyard at all, with how clear that water was,
and uh, yeah vineyard when he was in when she yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
The opening scene that looked like it looked like you
were at Universal, Yes, And then when I pulled up
where it was filmed, I was like, that's gotta that
part had to have been Universal.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Well.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
It's kind of funny because in that opening scene, you know,
he gets his arm kind of bitten off there and
he's in the boat, and then of course he gets
eaten up. But it was just hilarious how that was
because he didn't he didn't even seem like his arm
he noticed his arm was bitten off because it's all
torn up, and he's just in the boat like, oh,
thank god. And then he looks he's like ah.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
And then from there you have the adrenaline pumping. Like
we watched we were watching Shark Week last night and
like all three episodes where Paul de Gelder, do you
know who that guy is, the one that he lost
his right arm and his right leg to a bull
shark when he was in the navy.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Oh wow, he was.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Swimming in the Sydney Harbor doing laps and a bull
shark got him. And now he's that happened in two
thousand and nine, and now he's a huge shark advocate,
and he did a thing last night that was like
how to survive a shark attack, and they put prosthetics
on him and they were letting the sharks like eat it.
It was all non toxic and stuff. But I forgot.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
My point was, Oh, because the adrenaline and everything like
that was pumping.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yes, So when he talked about like how it happens,
it's like you don't seem to feel the pain right
away because of what But he looked like like freaking
Georgie from it like he did.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
He was in that rubber yellow raincoat. Yes, and who's
out there in the dark like that too? Is the
other thing. It's so ridiculous. I know, you've got some
you know booy all that other stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Going somewhere because kids were tipping cows or something, and
then he saw the booie was messed up again.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Call the coastguard. I don't know. There's just a lot
of interestingness in this film. But yeah, I don't remember
watching this film honestly as a kid very much. I don't.
And then of course it's funny because I had tried
to show my actual kids Jaws one and they could
not have cared less. And yet I put this one
on yesterday and the kids were sucked into this movie.
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The whole family was watching Jaws Revenge. Couldn't get him
to watch Jaws One, No, they wanted to sit there
and they were posted up for Jaws the Revenge, like
it was a cinematic masterpiece. That is just what because
when the shark they rammed in there, there was so
many questions like did the shark blow up? I'm like, yes,
we also blew up a shark in the first one. Guys,
I tried to get you to watch this stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
What is wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah? No, you know you've seen it a bunch. How
what are some highlights for you? Are there any highlights
A bunch?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Don't judge me.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I'm judging pretty hard. You said you grew up with this,
this was your favorite film growing up. You watched it
on a laser disc over and a.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Laser dis Do you remember those? I only think I
ever watched any of those at school. Yeah, my favorite
thing growing up was just the snorkeling and the water
or the scuba diving and whatnot. Because you know, it
is pretty although watching it now and like watching Michael
like use the coral to like swim away, and I'm
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like that's bullshit, Like yes, you should not, like if
it was a real life Snara and you're truly trying
to hide for your life, Like fine, I get it
if you're gonna kill some coral, but like you're filming
a movie and you're touching all this like coral, Like
that's not cool.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
They're over there, like you know, that was a bunch
of takes and everything. Yeah, they were Yeah, that was
met not pretty kind to the coral reefs down there
in the Bahamas. And I mean there's a reason why
you see it now the Bahamas. I mean, the reefs
aren't really protecting. There's a lot of erosion happening. For instance,
on Disney's Lighthouse, their new island, where the cabanas are.
The erosion is so bad that pretty much when you
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there's like a drop off on the stairs the well,
it's like it's come up. It's not you know, you
don't walk from the stairs onto like a nice beach.
It's just a cut like someone chopped it down and
sand because the erosion has gotten so bad and I
don't know how they're going to fix it necessarily, but.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
There's like stairs to get into the shoot.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
So like there's the cabanas on the Lighthouse k that
are right on the ocean, so you can rent the
cabanas for families and then usually that means the way
the stairs go, it would go down onto the beach
and so you can just sit on the beach. Well,
the erosion has gotten so bad that the water basically
is up to the stairs, and like the first step
or two is now hanging off off above like water
almost at lighthouse. K. Yeah, it's Brandon Island.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I want to he intentionally designed it in some way
because of flooding or something. I don't think everything in
South Florida now is getting built higher up than it
needs to be.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
That's you see erosion everywhere, but that's we're not here
to talk erosion. We talk beautiful and yeah, wonderful.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
As an adult rewatching this, my favorite parts were Jake's lines.
For one, that Michael and his wife are a very lovely,
horny couple. And I like when Jake guys Michael the
shirt for It's like it's a complicated shirt for Christmas,
and he says, may your sex life be as busy
as your shirt.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I thought that was funny.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yes, and then he's like, why was the shark only
going after you? Maybe he likes white meat? Again, that
was really funny. So yeah, Jake made this movie worthwhile.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I have to think Jake left this lot and went
and made Cool Runnings right after.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
The same guy.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
I know, but in my head it's like that dude
should go and quit water. He got attacked by a shark.
So to him, he's probably like, screw this, I'm never
going back in the water. He went and he joined
the bob sledding team because then he'd be as far
away from sharks as humanly possible.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
The team there's sharks in the cold Arctic.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Not on a bob sled trail for the Olympics though.
But I will say that I do really enjoy not
only Jake, but there's that sequence where the kids, you know,
they're all out there on the beach and the kids
are all on that banana boat thing that raft, I guess,
and they're just bouncing up and down. It was the
most ridiculous and then just the shark casually comes out
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and eats that one lady and it was so bad.
It was hilarious. But everybody they do the slow zoom in,
so everybody's starting, they're doing their whole thing. They slowly
pan in to the look of horror on the mom's
face and then the other lady's face. They don't yell,
they're just like.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
This human going for like Brody in the first movie,
like that iconic shot.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I think that's exactly what they were.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Doing when you know, because I listened to the then
announced Supernatural podcasts, and they do a lot of behind
the scenes, like the directors come on in film editors
and all these people, and there was a specific episode
they're like, yeah, we it's called like a specific something
where they do that, and they're doing the Jaws shot
the close up on Brodie's it was like, oh, that's
kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Well that's exactly what they were trying to do there
with the mom and then the other lady. For sure,
it didn't have the same effect. That's when Brodie's on
the beach and Broddy shocked.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I guess, well, and it wasn't his kin in the water.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It was.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
There.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
It would have been his grandson, wouldn't it.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
We know, I mean in the original Jaws. Oh right,
So it was like he was like shocked, but like
he didn't have like a duty to go out and
risk his I guess. Oh, but like the mom and
the grandma both stopped running into the ocean. They just stopped.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
They completely stopped. And it was hilarious because they didn't
care that much for the kid. Then, I guess because
the shark, Oh my god. And then it's funny because
then you see the shark slowly swimming away with the
body still hanging out of his mouth. Just haha. But
it's so slow motion ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, yeah, it would sink too, Like I've never seen
a shark In all the Shark weeks I've watched, I've
never seen a shark just say no, they go, they
glide down, they swim down.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Or the fact that I love a couple of the
shots where they have the shark doing things. It's almost
like a Madonna music video or something where they tried
to like shake the camera and make the swirly, so
it's the shark's doing all this thrashing and whatever else,
and it's just so bad. The camera work is so
awful in some of those sequences where the shark is
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doing some of those, like the way they tried to
do it, and then they over showed the shark for
a team that was inspired by they do more with less,
show more is less or show less is more. They
show this damn rubber shark way too much. It makes
you laugh instead of be terrified like the first Jaws
necessarily would have. It just made me laugh and my daughter,
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you know, Harper's like, why are you laughing? She's getting killed.
I'm sitting there because the shark is ridiculous. How awful
this shark is terrible.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, they didn't use any actual shark footage either, which
they did in the original jobs. So even like underwater,
when it's not even attacking anything, it just looksicular.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, they used real shark for Yeah, this is such.
This is the last Jaws movie that they made, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, because they Okay, this is the reason done here. Yeah,
I mean they've done a million, you know, things that
aren't actually Jaws but called Jaws, like Santa Jaws.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Oh god, I mean you've got the meg You've got
Santa Jaw, Sharknato, I.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Mean, supply of a future with Sharknado.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
It was because we had Thunder Levin, who was the
writer for Sharknado. Actually, so maybe we have to pick
back up in the franchise after this because Wolf. So yeah, no,
this movie was This production all around was something. And
let's let's dive into fun fact. So why don't you
kick us off with some fun facts about the production
of this movie.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
So Michael Caine said, quote, won an oscar, built a
and had a great holiday. Not bad for a flat
movie end quote. So he was paid one point five
million dollars for seven days of work in the Bahamas,
and his schedule was so tight that the producers were
unable to spare him so he could attend the Academy Awards,
and then he went on to win Best Actor in
Sporting Role Oscar for Hannah and Her Sisters, not for
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Jows four. However, he's never actually sat down to watch
the movie, but he says he.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Sees that I was gonna say yes.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Regularly that the movie paid for.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I was gonna say he said. The were like, have
you ever seen the movie? And He's like, no, but
I've seen the house it paid for. Not such a
flex because, I mean, if I was an actor realistically,
you know, who knows when your next job is going
to be. Who knows when you're gonna eventually be flamed
out or whatnot. So I take a movie like Jows
four if they're going to pay me a lot of money,
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especially at the time, one point five in nineteen eighty
seven is a pretty good sum of money. Now, granted
Michael Kaine has done it just incredible movies. I mean,
the dude was Alfred.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
In backmanck Geniality.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
You know that's Kerrie. When I was like, it'ss Alfred,
she was like, no, I know him from his King Geniality.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I was like, all right, we knew him and that
before we knew him as Alfred.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
He's in every single Christopher Nolan film pretty much. But yes,
you did know him. Yeah, because mister King Genialudi is
before thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So yeah. What's interesting though, is how many people have
turned down being in these movies when Jaws is such
a staple in our country and like, like it's it's
such an American cliche, like four film, Yeah, it's July
fourth film. It did amazing things for the horror industry,
did terrible things for Shark, which we're still recovering from,
but at least we have learned our lesson with that.
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Like Peter Benchley was even like, maybe I shouldn't have
written Jaws because people got scared and started killing shark.
But I feel like Shark Week is doing a great
job of educating people like sharks are not the enemy.
But you would think that people would be like like, yeah, sure,
I want to do this just so I can be
part of the Jaws world. Like yeah, or Star Wars
like what you have? Yeah, a stormtrooper just because they
want to be part of it. And here everybody's like yeah, no, thanks.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I'm good, thank you. Well. I mean, you know, Roy
Scheider absolutely hated filming Jaws one. He only did Jaws
two because he was contractually obligated and it got him
out of his other film obligations with them, So I mean,
I get it. Funny enough, though, go ahead, now you
can take it. I was gonna say, this is actually
Lorraine Gary, you know l Brody's last acting credit. She
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came out of retirement for this one, and then it
sent her right back into retirement coming out of retirement.
I'm doing it. I'm doing Jaws Revenge. Ah, Nope, going
right back.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
They needed at least one familiar face. Man.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
She got paid, man, all right, no hate there.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
First she said no, and they came back and offered
her more money, which is like good, they should. If
they're gonna pay Michael Kin, who's not part of the
franchise one point five million, like.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Pay her, I mean yeah, especially because she's the continuity
between one and two and this one.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, was in the third one.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I don't know if she no, she was, and she
was in Jaws one and two. They completely pretend the
third one doesn't exist. And I can't say I blamed them,
but I think the third one had a lot more
redeeming qualities in this movie.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I think I just liked that it was a SeaWorld
and I thought that was funny. I don't know because
the third one, to remember that was a three D
one where the.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
There was that scene in this one where the eel
jumps out and carry goes, oh is this meant for
three D? And I go no. I just think this
was just a terrible scare.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And like morey, eels are never like like that. They're
always hiding.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
They're hidden in like the dark orle in the cave. Yeah,
oh my gosh. All right, let's continue with fun facts.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
This one's a sad one. So Judith Barciy, who played
the little Girl Thea. This was her last movie before
she actually passed away at the age of ten just
a year after this. The only reason I included this
was because Lance Guest, who played her on screen father
Mike Brody, actually served as a pall bearer at her funeral,
So I thought that that was pretty sweet. And cute,
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and obviously he must have created a bond with the
kid while filming. Oh yeah, I felt it was worth
sharing solely because of that. But yeah, that's tragic. I
wonder what her parents think of the movie. I wonder
if they can like pull it up and see the
sweet parts of the film, or if it's traumatic for
them to watch.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
That's a good point. Yeah, I as a parent, it's
I guess it's one of those double sided things, right,
because as a parent, you'd want to watch, Oh, that's
my kid and have memories of that, but also it's
sad because that's my kid, you know, ten years old.
It's ridiculous. But Dennis Quaid was asked to come back
as Mike Brody. He also turned this down. At this point,
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Dennis Quid was doing bigger and better things. I guess
I don't really know what it was back in nineteen
eighty seven, but he was too good for your Jaws Revenge.
I can tell you that.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Much good for Jaws. Maybe he'll only do it if
it was at Steaworld.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Again, I don't want to travel to the Bahamas. That's
another thing, is some of these you get to go
on vacation right. You know they're filming in the Bahamas
for example, Like some of these are vacations.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, but have you heard some of the stuff with
white lotus in Thailand. Oh, we'll turn out like getting sick.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
That's yeah, that's a different thing because the filming is
so long. For white Lotus, this movie was filmed in
just nine months. So uh so. Actually this film was
made in less than nine months, with production commencing in
September of nineteen eighty six so that the film could
be released the following summer. The film was shot on
location in New England and in the Bahamas, and completed
on the Universal Lot. As with the first two films,
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Martha's Vineyard was the location of the fictional Amity Island
for the opening scenes. Delays caused by the mechanical shark
and the weather led to concerns about whether the release
date would be met. Many critics actually suggested that the
rushed production compromised the quality of the film. The film
was marketed with the now infidens tagline like I said
this ton you make it sound like an action movie.
It's like Terminator or two. This toime, it's personal. I'll
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be back, signed Jaws, you killed my father, prepared to die.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I also think it's interesting too, because like Shark Nado,
it's like they lean into the campiness. So it was like,
you know, it's absurd even in that, but the actors
take the absurdities seriously. I don't know why this falls
or misses the.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Mark so well, because they Jaws was a serious film,
you know what I was. And I guess when you're
filming in the Jaws universe, you want to play it
as a straight serious film. But I feel like at
this point we're so far removed from the seriousness that
was Jaws that you almost need to lean into the campiness.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I suppose did you mention the Golden Raspberry ward Dennis
Quaid's career. Okay, So Bruce did, all right? His name
is not actually Bruce. Bruce is the first one the
o G shark.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Dare you stand where he stood? This? Well?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I also didn't see class first, so I feel like
it must be a girl. The rubber shark was and
I tried to look. I'm like trying to look underneath
the shark. Is it a boy? Is it a girl? Okay?
So was nominated for a Golden Raspberry Award for Worst
Actor in this movie. That's making him the first animal
nominated for one since Jaws three d's Shrieking Dolphins, Cindy
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and Sandy.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Okay, come on, man, the dolphins saved the day in
Jaws three D.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Ok, Jaws to dolphins or that's whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Wow, they weren't great, but I mean they saved the
day and they served a purpose. But this rubber shark
served a zero purpose.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Do you want to know our thoughts on sharks? Sharks
on Jaws three D. We did do our sharks on
it last.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Year every summer. Yeah, yeah, oh god. Yeah. This was
the first of the Jaws films not to be the
first in the box office that weekend, Robocot beat it out.
Funny enough, and the nineteen thirties Disney snow White cartoon
re release. Imagine, we're going to re release snow White
and it's gonna beat out your Jaws film. Tell that
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to the Jaws when it first came out. Tell that
to them and see how that goes over, because that's insane, insanity.
But I can't say that I blame him. I mean,
I don't care for snow White, but uh, you know,
I would probably see that over Jows.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I don't know. I probably watched Jaws Forever snow White, but.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Okay, actually to be Jaws The Revenge. Though, I do
feel it's a good film because I love baddies. You know,
we all know that.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
And no point was I like, oh my god, I
have to stop watching this. But I was laughing when
I wasn't supposed to be laughing.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
It wasn't a slog to get through like some of
the movies we've watched on this, you know. And I
will say that I found it comedic. I love bad movies. Again,
it's not a movie I'm going to search out and
watch on the rig. But in terms of enjoyment, if
you just if you want to, like just drink a
beer and or just you're in a crappy movie game, yeah,
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or if you're just in a crappy mood and you
need something to cheer you up. I do recommend movies
like this because they're so ridiculous you cannot help but laugh.
It's just so. And then a young Michael Kaine is
still suave. The guy was out there, suave, handsome and uh.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
The gambling problem.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
He's got a gambling he has a lot of issues,
all right, but that doesn't.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
It's not even his plane. It was his employer's plane.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Listen. That just has nothing to do with him being
suave and handsome and pulling Martin Brodie's widowed wife. Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I did like when Mike got like concerned about him
with his mom and he's like, well, he's asking Jake like, well,
what do you know about this guy? When did he arrive?
Because so many people fly into the Bahamas with drugs?
Did you know way K was used to be That's
Disney's first private island. That used to be a place
where they would spunckle drugs. I forget what you know?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
It's still not maybe the mouse is in the drug
game now.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
There's still a pathway that's so you run the five
K on it or and it's a it's an airline, okay.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
And I think I want to try to run the
five K maybe while like the families at the beat, not.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
A great five K. I'm not gonna lie. A lot
of it is just like in the Sun and on.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Page do they because they do the runs, that's right,
they do like the actual you get like metals and stuff.
So they'll sometimes do like yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
And the metals adorable. It's a little rebel metal. Oh
it's called Gorda Gorda k or Gorda Key. It's actually key.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
But we all say, you have just sign up for
those run Do they do them every time they go
to that island? Yeah, oh they do.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
And they used to have it like you did. They
would just do it in the morning, but now I
think you can run it at any point in the day.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
And then how do you like sign up?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
And I think just go to guest services when you
get on the Mickey boat. I haven't done it years.
I've only don't want to.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Oh, I'm guess I'm going to do it December.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Although I almost wanted to do it last time because
then I saw it. They have a new metal and
the metal is really cute.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Oh well, like I said, I guess I'm doing it
in December, so I'll let you know, all right. Final
thoughts on Christmas Ornament, Jaws The Revenge do we have
final thoughts? My final thought is it deserves the two
percent of Rotten Tomatoes. This movie is probably about a
one star out of five for me. Not great, but
uh listen, okay, not everything's five stars, all right, Not
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everything is fast and furious to me?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Okay, A yeah, yeah, I'd rather watch this than Fast
and Furious.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Are you No, that's because Josh bullied you into feelings
you can't enjoy fast and furious. That is true, that's
that's terrible.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
But also I love anything that I get to see
the ocean into you can.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
See of ocean fast and furious.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I don't know. I mean again, I didn't hate it.
It was really bad, but I didn't hate it. I
don't know. Maybe I feel like a two point five
is generous. It's too good.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Two point two that's even weirder. Okay, I'm not even
I'm not even doing the math on this one. Just
know we thought it was not great.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
And if you were to listening watching and this is
going on my list of movies that aren't Christmas movies
that should be Christmas movies.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Oh that's a good one. When we do that, when
get into Christmas mode here in a few months. Yeah,
that's a good point, because I do forget that this
is around Christmas. Yeah, okay, we don't need to talk
about I would rather watch this than Iron Man three.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I said its I'd rather watch iron Man three qualities. No,
it's I it's because they messed up the Mandarin, which
is why people hate it.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
But they loathe loathe Iron Man three for reasons, which
we will need to do like an mcu rewatch thing
to throw up on Patreon, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
That'll be super fat and mc rewatch.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
We don't have to go through it fast, okay, but.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
We're going to be eighty when we've finished.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Till we're ninety. We're doing this till we're ninety. Yeah,
So I'm just saying, just saying, Okay, we have anyways.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Agents of Shields, Cloak and Dagger run Away.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
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I will add them in the show notes. Who knows,
we'll see. Okay, I'm not the most perfect person ever,
but I try and fantastic fours out you go see it. Spoilers,
(32:34):
go watch however, Shark Week, Go pet a Shark, Go
donate to you Shark.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Don't do that, man, I.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Would love to pet a bear. Can I pet a bear?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I don't care. If a bear, don't put a bear.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
God. Bears are big, just puppies. Thanks for hanging out.
Cheers everybody,
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